Nintendo 64

[rich warren]

Maybe if they gave the werewolves guns it would be GoldenEye

[green epoch]

VIII is so fucking good

[plush summit]

RE8?

Its good, but I love the vibe of 7 more

Village had too much sun and made things less freaky deaky and the story is a mixed to me

Getting chased by angry hillabillies was

[lament escarp]

I like 7 but the ||the bit on the boat was just bad||

[plush summit]

Yeah, the direction the series was going at that part wasn't my favorite

[green epoch]

8 was bangers all the way through. You had your amnesia game, your PT game, your run and gun game, and your traditional survival horror game. And all put together by a team that you could feel was just absolutely grooving

[lament escarp]

Tbh the last re game I thoroughly enjoyed was re4. Neither the sequels nor spinoffs nor remakes could capture the magic for me.

[plush summit]

I'm not really agreeing with the story after Village, don't wanna spoil too much, but they introduced too much wacky crap that veered away from the original stories

[stone pilot]

Spanish hillbillies in 4 were fun

[plush summit]

After getting my OLED monitor, RE4 and 7 just BANGED in HDR

[green epoch]

I mean, I dunno how many RE games you have played, but they have introduced wacky crap with every game. People felt the same way about the story in 4, (6 is a response to those critiques). They introduce wacky crap, people hate it, 3 games later people talk about how it's canon now and the new wacky crap is...well crap

[plush summit]

RE4 was the limit of wacky I could tolerate since the environment was already prime survivor horror

[green epoch]

Also, doesn't revelations also take wild turns?

i couldn't get through those games

[plush summit]

I skipped the spinoffs, 5 and 6 too

Village is still a great game, but 7 had lighting in a bottle with the Baker family

[rich warren]

VIII is really similar to 4. I liked 7 but it just didn't feel like RE, more grindhouse horror than 80s shlock horror. Glad they made it though

game makes you want to hide in a ditch rather than fight your way out

[candid panther]

Re4 in vr on my quest 3 is amazing

Definitely the best version of the original game, it's incredible

I desperately want to play the remake and village in VR but the pc mods are janky and the official versions are locked to PS5 VR. Not paying best part of a grand for two games, no way.

[plush summit]

I prefer RE4 OG over the remake

The remake can look too clean and lack the grittyness of OG

[rich warren]

I remember when they first showed 4 with the over the shoulder perspective and thought, "Oh - it's like WinBack!"

Not having a PSX and MGS at the time forced me to appreciate WinBack

[vapid hawk]

Psvr2 goes on sale a lot since it’s flopped keep an eye out

[candid panther]

Still need to buy a PS5 though

Might be able to get a deal in the future

[vapid hawk]

yeah but you can probably buy that later or get a ps6 - psvr2s might disappear forever

saying this because i've played re:v and re4:r VR and they are amazing

[spare meadow]

Tried to play both games but unfortunately Vr2 isn’t for me. Got dizzy after just a few minutes of gameplay.

[vapid hawk]

those are intense games to be starting with heh, you need to get your legs first

i had similar experience

[knotty zealot]

you're more off-topic than a strawberry in a field of blueberries

[vapid hawk]

that sounds delicious

[spare meadow]

When I played Mario 64 for the first time , back in the 90’s, I got dizzy too. It take a while for me to adjust. I think I am getting old

[candid panther]

I've never felt dizzy with vr, even flying over the wasteland in fallout 4 was no issue

But man I may have to get a psvr2

Even if it doesn't have pancake lenses

Damn I'd love a vr conversion of Ocarina of Time, bringing it back to N64 talk

[stone pilot]

For Quest, there was a 3DS emulator (CitraVR, fork of Citra) with an "immersive" mode that worked really well with Ocarina of Time 3D. Its development has stalled ever since Yuzu (and with it, Citra) got C&D'd by Nintendo

[candid panther]

Yeah I've got it, it works well but it's not quite a full vr experience

Like, a proper vr conversion where you can swing the sword, use the hook shot, first person view as link

[rich warren]

The GZDoom VR mod works with The Legend of DOOM apparently.
https://www.eurogamer.net/digitalfoundry-2023-legend-of-doom-a-stunning-mash-up-mod-that-actually-works-as-a-game

[candid panther]

Yep played through that one too! Loads of fun

[gritty basalt]

The original RE4 still remains my favorite game in the series, as well as one of my top 5 favorite games of all time. I've replayed it dozens of times across multiple platforms ever since it first came out on the Gamecube and I still have fun with it whenever the mood strikes me. It's just such a solid package from start to finish in terms of its gameplay loop and design. RE5 comes close for me in terms of capturing that same feeling from RE4's gameplay, and even improves on some of its mechanics, but it just doesn't quite reach the same level as RE4 for me. The difference in atmosphere between the two games, the somewhat annoying AI companion that forces the inventory system to be reworked into something much more simple and real-time compared to the system used in RE4, and the overall higher level of grinding required for acquiring and upgrading equipment are things that immediately come to mind that RE5 did differently that I didn't particularly appreciate when coming off RE4.

All that being said, the Lost in Nightmares scenario for RE5 was top notch. I wish they made the entire game like it. I'm almost certain that if they did while tweaking the level progression a bit and not forcing you to have to look after a mortal companion for the entire game then it could've very well have surpassed RE4 for me. I still like RE5 for what it is, but Lost in Nightmares always makes me think about what could've been had they decided to go back more towards the series' roots rather than head for an even heavier action-focused direction than what we already got in RE4. But I digress.

One of these days I hope to get around to playing RE4R and seeing how it stacks to RE4 Classic and RE5. And maybe RE VIII as well, since it apparently shares some things in common with RE4 (and I assume RE5, by extension), but I still need to play RE VII before then too, so who know knows when I'll actually get around to 8.

[latent dagger]

RE5 is "ok". What makes RE5 a great game to play is having someone to play it with since the co-op thing was it's claim to fame

[gritty basalt]

I'm almost certain that a game like this would make me accidentally destroy some nearby furniture since it's bound to make me do something that makes me collide with things. We all already saw how dangerous Wiimotes can be.,

[gritty basalt]

That's the problem for me: I've never had anyone to play the game with, even to this day, so I've always had to do everything solo with the A.I. partner and try to work around the A.I. as best I can, especially on the harder difficulties where the damn thing basically has a death wish. I hear the game is an absolute blast to play with friends, at least.

[latent dagger]

ye, that's what made it for me. playing it together over xbox live with voice chat with my friend.

never too late though. I think you can still play online on PC version with a friend assuming you have those now lol

[gritty basalt]

In a nutshell, RE5 pretty much fails to live up to the standard RE4 set for me because it forces in mechanics that I could never truly take advantage of in order to play it fully in line with what the developers intended. My experience was always funamentally compromised compared to players who had friends that were willing to play the game with them.

[gritty basalt]

Ha! I wish! I've only got a handful of friends on Steam and I don't even know half of them well enough to where I'd feel comfortable asking if they'd want to chill and play RE5 with me.

The other half who I know better I've not contacted in either quite some time, or I know aren't fans of RE to begin with. So even now I'm kinda screwed when it comes to co-op play for pretty much any game that doesn't use some kind of matchmaking feature 🤣

Real life obligations and YouTube content creation tend to keep me quite busy to the point to where my social life in general is close to non-existent, so yeah, like I said, I'm kinda S.O.L. at the moment when it comes to ever trying out RE5''s co-op features. But I'm not particularly broken up about it since I've always preferred single player games for the most part anyway. You can blame the few people I've grown up playing couch co-op with for souring me to desiring co-op for most of my life, particularly anything involving Halo.

Apparently I was too casual for everyone else's liking back in the day. I was surrounded by people who played multiplayer games to the point to where they regularly tried to enter local competitions for them, so it was pretty much serious business for them whereas for me I just wanted to try and have fun socializing with people while playing games. Emphasis on the word "try", since I never really succeeded because of the difference in vibe I just mentioned.

Anyway, my personal history aside, I'm sure someday I'll find someone to play RE5 co-op with. I doubt I'll go my entire life without having the opportunity to experience it at least once.

Now what I REALLY wanna know is what RE6's co-op is like to play, especially on Mercenaries. I think that could be a blast to play if the other person is just laughing at all the absurdity that games has to offer along with me as we're blasting and Judo kicking our way through everything like it's going out of style.

But I think finding someone to play RE6 with will be an even harder ask than RE5, since RE6 is... RE6 🤣

[latent dagger]

Me and my friend tried playing RE6 together sitting on the same couch...... we quit after the first level and returned it.

we just didn't like it. it felt weird, it played weird, it was weird.

[gritty basalt]

I felt the same way, but I decided to just push through the entire thing from start to finish. For me it was my prime example of a game that tries to do everything while ultimately exceeding at nothing. It tried to be "survival horror" with Leon's campaign (I'd argue it's more-so action horror), it tried going all in on the action and gunplay with Chris' campaign, Jake's campaign tried mixing elements of Leon and Chris' campaign while having a pursuer enemy chasing you throughout it ala Nemesis from RE3 (although not as effectively as classic Nemesis was, IMO), and Ada's campaign... is basically half filler and half extended epilogue for everything else. It tried to do too many things so the whole thing ended up being a mediocre game across the board that had too many railroaded QTE action sequences for it's own good that would rival what you'd see in Micheal Bay movies from the time the game came out.

At least the actual combat system was fun as hell to use for the game's Mercenaries mode, which is my personal favorite iteration of the mode across the franchise. RE6 feels better to play as an action-heavy arcade game than a mish-mash of multiple genres trying to compete with each other for your time throughout the single player story content.

I'd argue that RE6 is the sort of game that you have to go into with the intention of laughing at it and treating it like a joke in order to get the most enjoyment out of it, especially if you can do so with a friend, otherwise it will find a way (often multiple ways) to frustrate you on some level.

Since I didn't, it naturally negatively impacted my first experience going through it, and it's easily my least favorite out of the mainline RE titles to go back and replay.

[candid panther]

Not an issue if you set the boundary up in your room correctly. If I step near or put my arms near the boundary i draw or scan in my living room, a wireframe wall appears to let me know.

Youre only going to hit something if you're drunk, stupid, or in a room fit for ants

[candid panther]

I have been drunk and stupid before by the way, I now swear by the boundary

[gritty basalt]

Does a room with only 3 feet of empty space in front of my television count as a room for ants? 🤔

Believe me, I really don't think I have the minimum amount of space required for even basic VR.

[candid panther]

Well...this is the space I had when at my family's home before I brought my place. Between the bed and the TV.

Trusted the kid with it, TV still lives 🤣

[gritty basalt]

Then I guess as long as I stand completely still I'd be fine

[candid panther]

Yep that's what stationary mode is for

Until you fall over

[gritty basalt]

The second something in an RE game jumpscares me is the day my room gets a new door

[candid panther]

It's always a risk

[gritty basalt]

I think I'll be perfectly content launching myself out of my desk chair, or my bed, whenever something decides to make me spontaneously engage my cat-like reflexes. Less chance of me destroying something important. And there's honestly only a handful of VR games available that I'd even consider trying, so I just don't think it'd a wise investment for me.

Besides, I've already had to deal with a taste of VR using VR headsets for training at my day job. It had PC 98 level graphics and yet it had enough uncanny valley just from me being able to move around in it to unsettle me on a primal level. And I crashed into a nearby desk too, which sucked.

Who knows, maybe if the technology advances far enough in the next few years it'll be good enough and have enough games by then that I'll be willing to consider giving it a shot outside of a work environment.

Until then, I'm content sitting my toned-ass on something stationary (wheels optional) and holding a controller in my hands (Wiimote optional).

Anyway, I gotta go to bed. Good night, peeps!

[weary palm]

What's the best modkit / stick replacement for a worn out n64 controller? Mine's fine, but I think I want to try out something new.

There's a billion of them on alibaba

[vapid hawk]

there's kind of a lot of options at this point

do you want a replacement stick module or do you want to rebuild your stick module

[weary palm]

I want a replacement. My og sticks are finem

[vapid hawk]

maybe check out the intec:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70PJ5EdUknM

[latent dagger]

You can play most any VR game while sitting down

[candid panther]

Yeah I have to play f zero gx in VR sitting down, I use a GameCube pad but not sure that counts.

Anyhow vr conversions of older games is like a dream come true to me, I never imagined I'd be living in the future like this, being able to actually be in the games I played when younger, like Return to Castle Wolfenstein. Absolutely mental to me

Seeing as more and more N64 games are being decompiled and ported to PC, I can only hope someone with the skill can make something.

Starfox 64 would be fucking sweet in VR with cockpit view. Being able to look out your left window and see slippy zooming in to be a dick

[weary palm]

You better get going learning some programming. 😅

[lament escarp]

You did the gb core/n64 core savegame sharing right? I'm really enjoying it for stadium. Do you think something similar for the gb and gb2p core would be possible for trading?

[zinc dew]

More more, give us more! The hunger will never stop.

[candid panther]

What other improvements and extras could we want on the n64 core apart from 64dd? Trying to honk

Well I meant trying to think but thanks spell check let's honk

[lament escarp]

Only thing that comes to mind would be a 2nd virtual transfer to enable trading. Of course you could also handle that on the gb2p core, though the save files have to be handled manually right now, which is why I asked about automatic safe transfer.

[latent dagger]

Do we have save states now?

Cuz if not, then save states.

[lament escarp]

Save states aren't possible on de10 according to Robert.

[wanton sun]

the way Paul did them on SNES would also be possible. Mostly needs someone interested in n64 assembly programming

[green epoch]

Robert is too hard at work on the Virtual Boy core for Robby to worry about save states

[lament escarp]

So savestates are theoretically possible after all? Goog thing they're not here yet, else I would use them to cheat in stadium. 😅

[half mason]

I recommend the 8bitdo replacement stick, which you can buy by itself from their n64 Bluetooth kit. It had really strong results in N64 testroms for recreating the original shape, and its also hall effect

[languid dune]

Once Paul is finished with save stages on SNES, I'd love for him to tackle it on Genesis/Mega Drive next. There are precious few games on the Genesis with built in save support. So many password games and games that just expect you to finish in one sitting.

[atomic stratus]

I really like using that stick on the core. It’s not “authentic” maybe, but it feels nice to me.

[blissful plaza]

I recommend them too.

[lament linden]

FINALLY got my mini-jewels in for my @random girder designed MiSTer Pi FPGA case today! This thing looks SO SO amazing! @naive briar

[spare meadow]

That’s a piece of art! Congrats!

[young cove]

that remix is so stupid i love it! ❤️

might as well try to print it myself been using teh same case for 3 ish years and this is just slightly cooler

[lament linden]

You'd have to mod it if you have standard mister, The case is for Mister Pi

[young cove]

wow it looks just the same that's amazing!

the bottom usb interface is OG right?

[lament linden]

Yeah similar. The Mister Pi usb hub connects with a board to board interface inside the mister so no jumper is required. Also the power inputs are different and i think one or two usb ports across it, but the top board (with fan) is identical

[young cove]

yeah the split power thing that always bothered me haha. I need to read into this mister Pi thing! I have an unused pi4

[green epoch]

oh my sweet summer child

[lament linden]

Its just Taki Udon's cheaper Mister alternative. The whole triple stack is I think $180? Its basically the same thing but cheaper, and does everything the DE-10 does. https://retroremake.co/products/mister-pi-retro-gaming-fpga-board-turbo-pack

One thing i love is its USB C power, no need for any barrel jack power

[young cove]

wait so the DE10-NANO is replaced by the pi

[bright crest]

Currently out of stock but I've set the cash aside for the next preorder batch. I'm in no hurry but plan to built a standalong desktop cab.

[young cove]

but you need the rest of the interface

[bright crest]

Not replaced, added.

[lament linden]

Yeah its just a cheaper alternative.

[bright crest]

The DE10 MiSTer is still very much available but does cost a bit more.

[young cove]

yeah i have that one

[lament linden]

The Mister Pi PCB is very close to the DE-10

But as you can see it has a couple of ports different

[young cove]

that is really cool people use this i heard the de-10 went crazy in cost

i was there when it was just 100 dollars ish

[bright crest]

There is a MiSTer compatible PSX based console due for release from the same developer.

Yeah, I got mine for £121 (UK) including VAT and postage.

[lament linden]

Yup it just opened for Pre-Order https://retroremake.co/pages/superstationᵒⁿᵉ

[young cove]

again.. i went into this mister project because lol NeogeoAES prices. And when i got in it was glourious

[bright crest]

Not in the market for this but it is amazing.

[lament linden]

Oh sorry, pre-order goes live in 10 minutes i think?

[bright crest]

Imminent 😉

[young cove]

anyway reason i went back is.. analogue is releasing the analogue 3d? and i wanted to dip back in to fpga n64 stuff.

will be out soonish

[lament linden]

Mister FPGA does N64 pretty flawlessly these days.

Even the 80mhz turbo core is awesome

[young cove]

yeah i heard! i remember people in this discord telling users n64 will never be possible and the fpga was too small

i got a summer64 card on ali just to compare it

and i still have an old framemeister

[lament linden]

Hell even a Dreamcast core is trying to be developed. We just got CD-I core, Saturn Core, Jaguar Core & Work in progress Virtual Boy core.

[waxen bear]

Is the Turbo core mostly compatible nowadays or still some games don't work?

[lament linden]

I mean honestly i havent personally had any issues, but im not sure

[young cove]

wait the f XD

[lament linden]

Go here and scroll up at the screenshots. https://discord.com/channels/647909397477195803/1315008851874938948

[young cove]

if you like virtual boy tho you gotta try the meta quest one holy shit

[waxen bear]

Sept 29, 2024 is the newest Turbo core?

[lament linden]

This one https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/N64_MiSTer/blob/main/releases_turbo/N64_80MHz_20241214.rbf

[young cove]

what this is real ? XD

the hell

[lament linden]

Its just a single frame render but yes, There is a chance it could be possible

[young cove]

turbo core is not in main refresh cores? so i need to download it? been a while

lol also for the game i really want to test RE2 n64

[lament linden]

Nope its not under update all. You gotta grab that link I posted above

[lament linden]

Normal core runs fine for me on RE2

[young cove]

yeah figured just not the turbo one

[lament linden]

I havent honestly tested it yet LOL

[young cove]

can'r wait to try it on the RARE games

hahah

well mr fusion installed on a fresh micro sd card

my old perfectly working micro sd card 3 years old

just basicaly told me lol when trying to update in menu

[lament linden]

Turbo core really helps goldeneye and perfect dark

[young cove]

so i'mma strat fresh

yeah those games are so so bad haha

so the turbo core makes goldeneye run 30?

i am eurotrash i think we got 25 to 19 fps

back in the day

back then we all thought it was cool when games lagged these days.. oh boy XD

[lament linden]

Yeah averages probably 30-32, Even up to low 40s in some scenes. https://youtu.be/O0OeqQWHmsU?t=226

[young cove]

that's crazy! Is that your YT channel? are you him haha

[lament linden]

Nah not my youtube channel but he is in here.

[young cove]

cool cool

this is huge ngl

golden eye stable ish is amazing

i wonder if that analogue 3d will do this

after the pocket i just pressed buy lol

[lament linden]

Same dude that made the cheaper Mister, Is in the middle of developing a Mister FPGA handheld with an AMOLED screen

[dusty tusk]

That's what I've been waiting for. If it also docks, that'd be a real winner

[young cove]

i think it was pre covid right ?

i member the fpga being cheapish

[zinc dew]

We talked about it and we’re figuring stuff out like distribution methods to facilitate cores outside of the main MiSTer repo.

even how to handle cores that have single vs dual ram builds

[young cove]

damn that is an honest answer makes me worry tho if i have the single or dual ram build i was in early oof

no i defiantly have a single ram build

[zinc dew]

Dual ram builds just won’t work if you only have single ram

[young cove]

ok i need an old fart in here hopefully you robby.. i jumped in when the mister was able to run neogeo aes. and chat told me to get a certain amount of ram.. do you remember the size and was there an update in the last 5 ish years haha

this makes sense that my single ram neogeo build refused to load the n64 core

pretty sure i have the single ram

[zinc dew]

The ram you want is 2.9, 3.0 is functionally the same but that’s good too.

Single ram is perfectly fine for all cores.

[young cove]

yes and the n64?

[zinc dew]

Dual ram will get you minor improvements to Saturn and Jaguar (also PS1).

[young cove]

aah no don't care thanks a ton

[zinc dew]

Dual ram not needed for N64.

[young cove]

need to check my ebay buys what ram i got

[zinc dew]

There are also updated IO boards that can output 24-bit color to TVs now, so you avoid color banding.

[young cove]

is that UK guy still solid? he was in this discord ages ago and very friendly, again thanks for teh replies!

i got the mister running on an old dutch B&O crt

looked amazing

[zinc dew]

I believe so but I don’t really know, I’m sorry. I’m US based.

[young cove]

pretty sure i can still use it

[young cove]

ha nm

but i got the most amazing contect of an full rgb port with the 5 ish old mister fpga

[magic girder]

I use his stuff. It’s awesome

[young cove]

mainly played snes sims for my students

[magic girder]

(Also re: size you want 128MB if you want to play everything)

[young cove]

in class on an crt because kids these days have no idea

[young cove]

will do thanks single ram i assume.. i really can not remember what size i had when neogeo aes was new to mister

[zinc dew]

Did they complain about the CRT electric whine?

[young cove]

god please stop

tell them it's their old squirrel brain

[magic girder]

@zinc dew covered dual vs single - if you go dual, the size of the second chip doesn’t really matter, but there’s some murmurings that dual 128MB could in theory be useful one day - but it doesn’t matter right now

[zinc dew]

yeah, I rocked an old 32mb and played every dual ram core just fine

So if you upgrade your ram you can just use the old one for dual

[young cove]

gotcha thanks! i just need n64 for now with my old mister build. it told my Firmware was so old i needed to start over haha

[magic girder]

But really, unless you wanna play Jaguar, or care about a couple of specific Saturn games, single ram is fine

[young cove]

i think 32MB rings a bell

omg hahaha MiSTer FPGA Real Time Clock Addon Board RTC v1.3

ebay history

MiSTer SDRAM 128MB Extra Slim Board v2.4 Alliance Chip FPGA DE10-Nano

2019!

[zinc dew]

So the new cores push the hardware pretty hard. Does the core not work for you with 2.4 ram?

[young cove]

i think it's version 2.4.

the reason my current setup won't work is that i can't update mister fpga firmware in menu

it just tells me lol can't connect

can you have a firmware that is too old to update?

[zinc dew]

you might be fine ram wise, backup yer stuff and yeah do a fresh Mr fusion install.

[zinc dew]

Linux, yes

[young cove]

aaaaah great !

thanks a lot

pretty sure that is my issue

[zinc dew]

Sorry to hear about it but I hope you’re back in action soon

[young cove]

robby thanks a lot appriacte it! will do a full comparission with the mister my n64 and the analogue 3d when stuff is ready !

[zinc dew]

That’s super cool, love the N64. Can’t wait to hear your thoughts, brother. 👍

[young cove]

aye! when it runs i will try to get that switch NSO n64 controller working

you really can't play n64 games without the OG tripple grip

[random girder]

That looks great! The jewel really adds the final touch. Glad it turned out well!

[young cove]

is there a usb to n64 converter usb thing? i build my own with the neogeo aes.

[iron dove]

reflex, 4dapter (https://www.tindie.com/products/timville/4dapter-switch-mister-retro-controller-adapter/), looks like raphnet ones are out of stock

is update_all complaining about an old python version?

[young cove]

thanks!

[iron dove]

or old 'OS version'?

[young cove]

currently using phone and sitting in living room with laptop

using a fresh reinstall

[iron dove]

cool, the verison of python needed for downloader/update_all changed a cpl years back, if you have a really old setup it cant run anymore

can work around it by manually copying over some files but a fresh reinstall is the way to go

[young cove]

yeah figures as my old fpga remote update told me to no

so hence i blind for the new update

[latent dagger]

@young cove okay so I skimmed chat and I don't think I saw anyone mention this to you but just to make it clear, Taki May have used the Pi moniker, but it is not related to a raspberry Pi product at all. It is 100% FPGA just like the DE10 nano with an arm chip on the side, it's just his cheaper clone alternative that still uses the cyclone chip just like the de10

So don't be mislead or confused by the Pi bit.

[young cove]

ah wow thanks for the heads up pen!

i was thinking it was a lesser version tbh

[latent dagger]

Nope. A near identical clone as far as we've been able to test

[young cove]

wow

[latent dagger]

Honestly, I don't think it costs terasic all that much to make their boards, but because they know they are kind of the only ones supplying them they charge more.

[young cove]

crazy

[latent dagger]

The official DE10 nano used to be only like 150 bucks back in the day

[young cove]

yeah ! i got it for 110 euro

[latent dagger]

Now it's like 250

[young cove]

because it was sponsored heavlily !

students deals etc

when i got it the actual chip was 400 dollars

only due stuedent deals it was 120 ish

i lied to get it for a fake student loan in europe

if i remember correctly

[latent dagger]

Lol. 400 is ridiculous.

[young cove]

aye

that is what they told me years ago!

[latent dagger]

But yeah, the MiSTer Pi is the best option now if you are willing to wait for pre order

[iron dove]

the R2 One looks nice but less flexible with no option to add 2nd RAM stick, no user port

[latent dagger]

You talking about the PS1 clone?

[iron dove]

yeah, aka 'superstation'

[young cove]

what is better about my old mister

compared to the pi tho?

[iron dove]

nothing really

[latent dagger]

Only thing "better" would be it using an official DE10 Nano, but that would be a subjective thing.

[iron dove]

would have the older IO board with 18 bit analog out, mister pi uses the new official av-pro 9.2 io board

with 24 bit analog out

[young cove]

audio always seems ok

[latent dagger]

You can buy the io board separately

[young cove]

on my old ass build

heck i tested snes sim city..

[latent dagger]

The bit is color. That wasn't specified

[young cove]

and loved it every second...

[iron dove]

mister pi is a 'clone de-10 nano', the offical av-pro 9.2 io board, and a slightly modified USB hub

[latent dagger]

So we are talking about the video output from the VGA

[young cove]

afaterwards went to the beach and went back tried it at home on a crt and loved it

on a og crt and 1440p screen

less tho

[iron dove]

only a few cores make use of the 24 bit colour

psx

[latent dagger]

And only if you enable it to do so

[iron dove]

gets rid of some colour banding in FMVs

[latent dagger]

Otherwise by default the only thing that ever really output at 24 bits was the cutscenes, and you can live with those being output at up to 18 bits instead or you can use a PWM build

[iron dove]

you can force always use 24 bit colour
it'll use it in FMVs by default

and then get banding if using older io board

[young cove]

dude count d uclula.. remember the SD2SNES? for the sfamicom? i played this FMV game on it loved every second of it !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cE6GiZ9_6E

[iron dove]

yup, few mates had one 🙂

[young cove]

can you catch me up ? to the now

is that cd like music still a thing?

[iron dove]

on what exactly?

[young cove]

ms1u?

[iron dove]

oh, msu-1 hacks

[latent dagger]

I still use an original analog board 6.1 because of the PWM builds. Those have kept me from feeling the need to purchase an upgraded board lol

[young cove]

aah yes that one!

[iron dove]

its still a thing yeah

[young cove]

is it ok ?

[iron dove]

personally I normally prefer the original soundtracks, but its nice to have the option

they work on mister core

the killer instict one was kinda impressive

added in the FMV intros n stuff

[young cove]

i used to speed run super metroid

let me add a pic

so me hearing a snes emulator was able to do cd quality music made me happy haha

[iron dove]

near (bsnes/higan/msu1 author) made a lot of cool stuff 🙂

[young cove]

you helped in that?

if you look at the picture

i have a ds metroid

that one is bs

but i loved it!

[iron dove]

haha no i had nothing to do with any emulator/core development

[young cove]

am2r

[zinc dew]

It was named that way just for SEO purposes. We all told him it was confusing, so did his Twitter followers but he went ahead anyways.

[magic girder]

$$$

[onyx minnow]

I still think misterpi is a silly name as do most people. We get people coming in thinking they're getting a FPGA with raspberrypi CPU which is just misleading. Considering the Pi CPU is way faster than the ARM in MiSTer.

[zinc dew]

Yeah, but it is what it is. I’m glad he dropped that name for the other devices.

[magic girder]

Yeah, the SuperSega is a much better name

Sorry, SuperStation

[green epoch]

Calling it the SSOne in the announcement, however….

[weary palm]

Probably, but I don't think it's worth my time. Sorry. 🙂

[lament escarp]

I see. 😢

[deft folio]

I dunno with its the core issue or the NSO controller issue but when I play banjo kazooie and use the kazooie trot move the controller just shuts off

[zinc dew]

Definitely not core

Whats your power supply

[deft folio]

I think I found the issue

It was the 8bitdo receiver that was freaking out

[zinc dew]

Glad to hear, bud. Enjoy the N64 core.

[topaz otter]

did they just do it to capitalize on the raspberry pi name

[lament escarp]

@wanton sun I finally beat all the cups in round 2. This game is brutal. But I'm glad I did it. 💪

[wanton sun]

nice. I hope you had the same fun with improving the team as I did 🙂

[lament escarp]

I certainly did, though pokecup round 2 was the limit of what I'm willing to do. Also I could swear that the computer is cheating, like criting 4 times in a row with moves that don't have a bonus to crit chance and stuff like that. 😅 thank you once again for making this possible. 🙏

[jolly turret]

Are you guys using your own imported Pokemon or select the pre-made ones?

[lament escarp]

I imported my own.

Round 2 is still pretty brutal though.

[jolly turret]

Hmm, I just don't know if I have the time to grind the gameboy Pokemon game again, can you also have some success with the pre-made ones?

[lament escarp]

Yeah round 1 should be pretty doable.

Else you could also save some time by abusing missingno in gen1 instead of training a team manually.

[pastel hollow]

Turok: Dinosaur Hunter requires a controller pak for saves. When using SNAC, there is no way around this right? I heard if it supports saves w/ player 2 it's possible, but I don't think that's possible here. Can someone confirm?

[vapid hawk]

you can just insert a controller pak into your pad

or you can do an awkward shuffle whenever you need to save switch snac off, save to the virtual contrller pak, turn snac back on

[pastel hollow]

Don't have one. Was asking if possible to use, before purchasing one.

[vapid hawk]

oh yeah that'll work - just like the real thing

[pastel hollow]

I'll do the awkward shuffle via the menu until it gets annoying enought to warrent purchasing a physical pak. This'll get me by. Thanks for the tip!

But yikes! I forgot how many games require a pak! http://n64.icequake.net/mirror/www.elitendo.com/n64/usa_boot_save_list.html

[vapid hawk]

now i think about it i'm slightly surprised there aren't romhacks for all these

[pastel hollow]

That's what I was wondering

Do they romhack games to enable save to the cart?

[vapid hawk]

its not unheard of but not for n64 games i don't think

would be really useful for flashcarts too

[jolly turret]

If you end up deciding to buy a controller pak, be sure to open it up when you receive it and switch out the battery to a new cr2032 battery, preferrably a lithium type cr2023 so that it won't ever leak. The original battery might need to be desoldered though so that it can be removed. Nothing worse than using the controller pak with the original old battery, only for it to die shortly after and erase all your saves.

I just sold two Chinese clone controller paks recently, these had a tray that slides out for easy battery change, maybe you can find one of these.

[pastel hollow]

Great tips! I'll keep these in mind!

[lament linden]

FWWWN shared this reddit post in the Design & Fabrication channel, I had to share it too. Someone on reddit designed a mini cartridge for the N64 case. I printed one and designed & made a little label for it! https://www.reddit.com/r/MiSTerFPGA/comments/1ian9um/printing_complete/

[young cove]

@lament linden so step 2!

return to yoshi’s island demo

i can not wait dude!

Tomorrow my summer64 flashcard will arrive

[topaz otter]

Those performance memory cards were probably the most popular third party solution and are easy to get

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/LakAAOSw4Mdf2OvD/s-l1600.webp

[covert bough]

I was confused as to how to get the return to yoshi’s island demo to work on mister

It’s a weird file format

[iron wren]

It’s a patch for the game. You need to use a patching software in combination with the original rom to make a playable file

[latent dagger]

jspatcher is pretty good

https://www.romhacking.net/patch/

@covert bough

[jolly turret]

Mine were Joytech, pretty much the same thing.

[fierce girder]

These are also the only controller paks to my knowledge that have a battery socket instead of the battery soldered to the PCB, very easy to swap

I used one with a new battery before I ended up getting a 4ever pak with fram

[candid panther]

Im still using my original official Nintendo Pak that I got at launch, but I've since replaced the battery with a battery holder

So I can swap with store bought ones without desoldering again

[vapid hawk]

you can get modern ones that dont need a battery at all too

[candid panther]

Yeah fram ones are cheap, I just like using my old kit!

[lament escarp]

So I guess you can use pokemon stadium 2 in mister to transfer pokemon between gen1 and gen2 but only when you've played gen2 a bunch.

[lament escarp]

Better screenshot

[jolly turret]

Did you find out anything more about these differences?

[chrome quest]

Not yet no. I'd forgotten about it.
@wanton sun You had asked for a reminder in a few days if you didn't have a chance to look into the visual output difference I noted in Stadium 2, seen in both analog output and HDMI.
Start of thread was; #1096015979055697940 message

[wanton sun]

unfortunatly the weekend is over. Maybe next 😅

[hushed nova]

as an american my impression was that every work day in europe is sort of like a weekend anyways

[topaz otter]

british people exported all the people who wanted to work to america

[covert bough]

Funny we forget that core development isn’t Robert’s full time job lol

Thanks again for all you do

[weary palm]

Hey guis. What is Your preferred controller for this core?

[lament escarp]

Preferred is a strong word but I use the 8bitdo n64 modkit. Has issues with rumble though.

[weary palm]

I use an OEM controller and snac. It's ok. Always felt like the weight is distributed a bit weird with a rumble pak inserted, though. And I have to shim the pak with cardboard because it's not the snuggest fit. 😅

Ganon's tower collapse: BUUERRRRRRRRRRRRHHH

[lament escarp]

Weightwise the modkit feels fine to me, but the rumble only works in switch mode, which you have to pair each time you connect.

The rumble pack that comes with it is also way smaller than the oem.

[dense wagon]

I use one of these bad boys

https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B0C4KG36JM?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title

serves me well 😄 did a 100% run on OoT with it at least

[vapid hawk]

I like the inotech modkit at the moment

[candid panther]

Via snac, with an official rumble Pak

[weary palm]

AscII made some good controllers back in the day.

[candid panther]

Also this, 8bitdo Bluetooth conversion with a hall effect stick

[weary palm]

Do you mean Intech? I cannot find Inotech.

[vapid hawk]

yeah i think so, there's only 2 BT modkits on the market 🙂

[lament escarp]

If only one of you smart kids could work out why the 8bitdo modkit is so funky in switch mode. 😭

[candid panther]

Its pretty annoying having to resync each time I turn the MiSTer on, but it only takes seconds (hold the middle button on the MiSTer down for a bit to sync)

I don't have any other issues with it

[atomic stratus]

Niiice, that’s the exact same color controller I put my 8bitdo hall effect stick into.

oh you did the whole mod kit…I just swapped the stick

[candid panther]

Heh yeah I love the funtastics

And yeah this is the whole mod, I used the original Nintendo board to fix up a broken pad with a good shell

Just need a few new hall effect sticks, not sure whether to go with the intech one or 8bitdo. I know the 8bitdo one is good as I have it but the other one seems more authentic

[mortal panther]

I don't really have a problem with the OEM/NSO controller, as that's what I remember and is what feels most authentic.
However, I do tend to prefer the Brawler64 (Bluetooth NSO/Switch Edition), as I think it provides the best blend of original controls in a more comfortable modern layout.

[lament escarp]

Rumble also works on this one without any shenanigans.

The stick cap on mine came lose though, so I glued a cap thinge meant for joycons on it.

[candid panther]

I've got this pre-ordered, betting it's going to be the best available as a third party pad

Pity it's only available in black and white but I guess it's to tie in with analogue's console schemes

[lament escarp]

Hope it does have xinput mode for compatibility unlike their modkit.

[candid panther]

Pretty sure I read it does

In the spec on their site

[weak hill]

the downside is that it only supports bluetooth

[mortal panther]

Even though I wouldn't use it (the D-pad) much for N64, I am curious to see early impressions of its D-pad. Those are typically a crapshoot with 8BitDo across their controller range.

[weary perch]

i'd love to see a 2.4GHz version of that new 8bitdo pad that works on an actual N64 console

i can probably use blueretro for now i suppose, but i just don't trust bluetooth haha

[covert bough]

using an nso n64 controller, I know ppl complain about latency with it, but was playing conker the other day and seemed fine to me. Will probably switch to the 8bitdo when my preorder comes in

[jolly turret]

Is there any data available about the 8bitdo n64 controller on latency yet?

[chrome quest]

Yeah, some data on https://rpubs.com/misteraddons/inputlatency, if you search "MAKE" Nintendo it comes up

[weary palm]

https://youtu.be/ajyIajNWm20

Is the 8bitdo hall effect wireless kit any good?

[candid panther]

Yes I love mine, aside from having to re-pair it each time

The stick is fantastic if that's all you want to replace

It's the purple pad I posted above

[weary palm]

I don't know what I'm talking about really, but have you tried that "bt_reset_before_pair" option in the .ini file?

[lament escarp]

The issue is once it is paired and gets disconnected it won't connect again. I did some testing with shig a year ago, seems like the driver ain't getting some calibration data it's asking of the controller so it just won't work.

Stuff like this

[weary palm]

Is it an issue with the bt stack in linux?

I mean, is that where this could be fixed or worked around?

[lament escarp]

I don't know. @hearty oar was always the brains in the operation.

[weary palm]

A bit above my pay grade if so, haha

[lament escarp]

You implement the automatic savefile transfer between gb and gb2p core then to improve your skills. 😅 🫡

[hearty oar]

Brains is a strong word lol

[weary palm]

You groomer

Ok. I'll add it to my list of things I'll probably never finish. The very bottom of it. 😅

[lament escarp]

You're alive! So glad to see you.

[lament escarp]

See? Wasn't that hard. 👍

[hearty oar]

Haha, I’ve been lurking every now and again at least, haven’t had much time for games or MiSTer stuff sadly

[lament escarp]

Sucks, hope you're taking care of yourself.

[hushed nova]

those nso n64 controllers seem to have trouble pairing with some wifi/bt combo adapters. unfortunately the one that everyone seems to buy has the issue

I even tried it on my desktop linux running latest versions of everything and it still has problems there too

[lament escarp]

The modkit has the issue with every bt adapter tested, no matter standalone or +wifi.

[weary palm]

So they have trouble in Windows too, I would assume. And MacOS.

[lament escarp]

I actually got it to work on windows with a wrapper for joycons.

Betterjoy!

https://github.com/Davidobot/BetterJoy

In case this is of any help.

[weary palm]

My BT dongle is probably older than some ppl here.. xD

It sucks.

I don't think it even works in Windows 10/11.

[worldly flint]

I like the idea of folks born after 2006 getting into old hardware and building a MiSTer.

[topaz otter]

I think the mister needs a rotary telephone attachment

[covert bough]

a nokia cell phone snake core

[magic girder]

That would actually be awesome

Snake 2 though please

[covert bough]

i mean hell we have flappy bird and chess in that "other" folder

[magic girder]

I like the chess core but the fact that the pieces move instantly kinda throws me off sometimes

Aside from that it’s perfect. So much fun!

Although I am the worst chess player in history. I once lost a game while teaching someone the rules 😂

[jolly turret]

Isn't it the sign of a great master that his pupil becomes greater than the master himself? 😉

[mortal panther]

That's the sign of a great Sith Lord.

[magic girder]

I’ll take it!

Thank you!

[sullen harbor]

There was an updated turbo and regular core made by robert and pasted in here about a month or so ago. Was this ever pushed to main or are they still beta cores

[green epoch]

the main core was - turbo is never on update all

it's an unsupported core, so you have to grab it from the stickies here

[worn delta]

The Turbo core is part of the WIP database as well, if you want to add that to your .ini and grab the various unstable cores in there

[weary palm]

To lock out Gen Z you mean? 😂

[green epoch]

Did you update it for the new jag core? I have been meaning to add this but wasn't sure if it would overwrite the jag core with the old core

[worn delta]

I haven't added any of the new Jag cores, due to the period where there were so many different versions of the same core it, that may work for someone or may not. I should probably start adding the latest one though as things are more sane now.

It does have a really old Jag core in there, but downloading that will not overwrite any you have on your MiSTer, it will just put that extra version in your unstable folder (until it gets removed from the DB, then it will be removed from your SD next update)

[green epoch]

yeah, I think it's safe to add the new one now because grey has it locked in

[worn delta]

I will get this sorted in the next day or so

[topaz otter]

if it happens after one lesson maybe the great master needs to retire lol

[topaz otter]

They can dial zero for the operator

[weary palm]

Look at the weird zero placement on swedish rotary phones.

But the programmer in me agrees. Im pro-zero indexing. 😉

[covert bough]

Needs a rolodex to go with it

For the full experience

[raw oriole]

Hmm. The way those worked is by having the dial pulse down the line to the exchange for each number. On a UK phone, 1 would be first and generate 1 pulse. 0 would be after 9 and generate 10 pulses.
How did the Swedish ones work?

You can't signal anything as a zero length set of no pulses...

[weary palm]

The zero gave one pulse, the one gave two, etc.

[vapid hawk]

makes sense if their numbers all start with a zero

[weary palm]

Reminds me of https://youtu.be/XEW5b5ZtaV0

[topaz otter]

Let's see Paul Allen's card

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-christian-bale-business-gif-13484994

[covert bough]

way more complicated than the older phones where you just talk to the operator directly

[weary palm]

imagine working at a plug board.

[covert bough]

must have been pure chaos

[topaz otter]

my mom worked the switchboard before they invented digital switching

she said it sucked

you got to listen to people's conversations though, which sounds cool but its actually probably not

[hushed nova]

I mean, we did that when cordless phones became a thing

it is kinda cool, but also not

[polar raft]

My grandparents had a partyline, when I was a kid I used to pick up the phone and listen to random neighbors' conversations

[weary palm]

Monotonous jobs are quite soul destroying. I worked full-time putting studs into tires for a few months. 😅

One by one, with a machine.

Around 100 of them for a medium-sized one. 180 tires a day or so, if I remember correctly. Wow. Very offtopic

[lament escarp]

Wow, that job must've been pretty... tiring. 🤣

[weary palm]

Yes. Wheely much so.

[lament escarp]

Just goes round and round.

The circle of life.

[weary palm]

Something something rimjob

[weary palm]

Haha best emoji. Sprinkles do it.

[lament escarp]

👅 🍩

[cold pollen]

Haha I did this for the Pi 5 N64 case but I haven't test printed yet

[floral bramble]

Is there a list of games that dont play well with the turbo core anywhere? and is it advisable to keep a separate folder for the turbo core roms rather than a shared one?

[mossy vector]

None of that is necessary to try to quarantine it like that

[candid panther]

I've got a list of games I have found to have issues with the turbo core - it is approximately zero games in length

Games only benefit from the extra oomph

[jolly turret]

I'm not sure I understand, both the regular core and the turbo core are accessing the same roms from the n64 folder.

If you want to use the turbo core by default, you can simply switch to the regular core in case you should ever come across an issue. I briefly tested most of my library and played some specific games for a bit longer, I couldn't find any issues yet.

[magic girder]

I’ve noticed a few games have issues with the turbo core - where the framerate is higher than original hardware

[fossil umbra]

that's the joke, but I've consistently had to use the turbo core for one of the AKI WCW wrestling games because it's otherwise not running to original frame rate on the non-turbo core. dunno how many other games are in a similar boat

[jolly turret]

I only noticed this behavior with RE2 happening in the first or second starting screen. It's a very minor thing to happen, but as you say using the turbo core solves it.

[topaz otter]

Users reported having 25% more fun with the turbo core at twice the speed of the regular core

[tender pine]

Looks as though the Analogue 3D has been pushed back to Q2 😥

[green epoch]

Maybe in Europe, seems on track in freedomland

[plush summit]

They're delaying the 3D to work on the DAC

[tender pine]

Surely you jest?

[green epoch]

I guess it depends on which stones you’re reading to make the determination that it got pushed

if it’s the same thing everyone else seems to be doing (the 3d 8bitdo controller’s ship date on amazon) then that date hasn’t moved in the US - just UK and Europe

My controllers are still shipping on March 19th as of this moment.

[tender pine]

Actually I meant the "freedom land" nonsense...

[green epoch]

home of the brave

(you’re welcome)

[tender pine]

What a load of BS ☝️

[green epoch]

https://tenor.com/brb1X.gif

[magic girder]

Home of never the same colour

[blissful wolf]

with 25-100% tariffs on it soon

they are going to introduce a system where every button press on the controller adds an additional tariff

[lament escarp]

I'm actually more interested in how the controller performs and how it works on mister (especially if it's as dumb as the modkit) so make sure to report if you get yours before us!

Come to think of it it would also be interesting if the n64 modkit has the same issues on the analouge 3d.

[topaz otter]

My brain is already taxed every time someone new here asks about the turbo core

[green epoch]

I am just hopeful that it’s a good analog + 6 face buttons controller. That’s really why I’m interested.

[green epoch]

My guess is that they are sitting in a US warehouse already, but who knows. One thing about living in America is you cannot over estimate how dumb things are going to be

[lament escarp]

And that rumble works without pairing it again and again and again, right?

[green epoch]

honestly, I will take the 6 buttons and the analog stick. the only other option we have for that are the retro bit saturn “pro” controllers that have the shoulder buttons hardware bound to Z and C

[lament escarp]

You could also use a saffun n64, a nso n64 or if you don't like the 3 prong design a n64 tribute or n64 brawler for that. There are options for that, I'm just annoyed that the option I chose has this weird driver issue that seems unsolvable.

[green epoch]

yeah, the brawler is a good callout. I haven't tried that one yet. I mostly want it as the "all around" wireless mister controller. I use the m30 now, but that doesn't work most n64 games

[lament escarp]

I have a controller for each core. And I always need more controllers.

[green epoch]

oh i do too. i just usually end up using the m30 for most things because it has 6 face buttons and a decent d-pad

[lament escarp]

Between the nes, snes and m30 controller I'm hardly used to awful modern controllers anymore. My thumb really used to hurt when playing with a dpad for to long but turns out a bad dpad will do that.

[green epoch]

the n64 controller’s dpad was an all timer for thumb destruction

[lament escarp]

Wouldn't know, the few games that use it and I play like stadium and stadium 2 use it very little

[green epoch]

KI Gold was probably my most played N64 game

[green epoch]

I feel that very deeply

[blissful wolf]

I know the mister pi got hit with stupid tariffs already in europe for being an Industrial product or something? I wonder what new tariffs the new week will bring to everyone

[chrome quest]

Figured I'd just drop a reminder here after you noted it would need to be the weekend
#1096015979055697940 message Start of the thread, confirmed HDMI output matches the analog output of the core, but shows less than my PAL hardware.
If you had other plans, please ignore me completely and hope you have a great weekend!

[wanton sun]

Doesn't the channel need to be cleaned up of inactive members? I could be removed by accident so I can pretent I never saw this 🙈
Just joking, will try what i can do...maybe 🤣

[green epoch]

lol

[timber sun]

Robby's not here to prune you from the channel, Sadly

[green epoch]

Robert cannot self terminate

[wanton sun]

ok, so I see why this happens and i'm able to fix it. The issue is: both angrylion and ares tell this is the correct behavior:
https://github.com/ares-emulator/ares/blob/master/ares/n64/vi/vi.cpp#L174-L176
https://github.com/ata4/angrylion-rdp-plus/blob/master/src/core/n64video/vi.c#L739-L740
If I make this check less hard(allow 1 more pixel range check resulting in 8 more visible pixels each side) it looks like real hardware on my emulator.
The issue is: I have no idea which is correct now. Hardware tests seem to prove that both Ares and Angrylion are wrong.
I will build an FPGA image , but I fear you have to test with different game and compare against analog out.
For now, I will make the change only for PAL as I assume if at all that is more likely to be wrong

Another mention is here:
https://n64brew.dev/wiki/Video_Interface#0x0440_0024_-_VI_H_VIDEO
"H_START specifies when VI evaluation starts. The screen remains blanked for several pixels afterwards, while the VI loads values from RAM for filtering"
They also define H_START for PAL as 128, which is what Stadium 2 PAL is using.
So either there are more conditions or all these sources are wrong

[chrome quest]

Interesting. I'll try to test other games. Hopefully other people can contribute too. I don't have so many N64 carts to compare on real hardware

It does seem PAL outputs are often a little less reported historically

[wanton sun]

it seems this change could be too much?

left side only is changed in this build

will upload a build with both sides changed in 20 minutes hopefully, so you can try it

[chrome quest]

Maybe slightly... Will need to look on a PC. Might be the left is showing slightly more, the right remains showing a little less than hardware. Could it be that width with an offset to the right? If left/right increases are in discrete amounts

[wanton sun]

this VI "bug" will lead to either 8 pixels left and 7 pixels right being cut off or not cut off. At least that is the hypothesis all these 3 documentations/codes have.
Therefore i cannot just show e.g. 4 pixels more instead

There could be more conditions of course, e.g. for interlaced content the values could be different. Hard to notice with so few interlaced games existing.
Or maybe it's less because the game has AA turned off or whatever other reason there could be.
We can only find out if we compare different games and look what they configure

(with "we" i have to exclude myself because I still refuse to get any CRT because I just don't like them 😅 )

yes, i think it really shows to much now:

feel free to try anyway

[chrome quest]

Thanks Robert. Will try when I can. Tonight so far will be sorting details to transfer over to a new (new used that is) car! The joys of paperwork

[jolly turret]

I can offer to check with a CRT, my original carts and a flashcart on my PAL console if you tell me exactly what you need to see and which games. It takes quite a bit of time having to make space for the CRT setup and getting everything hooked up, so I'd prefer to check as many things in a single session fif possible.

[topaz otter]

Robby prunes the tree of liberty with a gas powered chainsaw

[topaz otter]

how much did it go up

[wanton sun]

if you want you can check some PAL games if they show the same to the left and right on the core as they do with real hardware. Best is probably to check on static images like title screens or so.
If you like you could make a list like: (only examples!)

• Mario64 : same as HW with new core
• Stadium 2: more visible on left and right on new core compared to HW, less visible left and right on old core
• Banjo: image is shifted slightly left on both cores

[fossil umbra]

returning to this late 2023 message as the last mention I saw in this channel of Beetle Adventure Racing's incorrect intro timings. is this just one of those things that N64 MiSTer core will just have in general? or is there a path forward for this kinda timing scrutiny?

I was reminded about BAR when the Ridge Racer 64 release hit for Nintendo Switch Online and just loaded it up

[modern leaf]

Hey guys. Dumb question, I did an update_all on my cores and the last n64 version is 11-09, is that the latest ver? I thought there was one released in Dec?

[mortal panther]

Latest stable standard core, yes.

[modern leaf]

Ty for confirming

[mortal panther]

There was a turbo core released in December though.

[modern leaf]

One more question, has anyone confirmed the reflex adapter works with either the turbo or regular core? I can only get the start button and 1 C button to work, depsite the menu system working fine.

Using an official reflex adapter as well

[latent dagger]

there was a tweaked version of the core released yes, but it was compiled with the same build number and date as the previous one.
I believe it has also replaced that build on the github, so yes. it should be the latest.
But you are correct that Robert did do a sort of newer tweaked build, it just didn't end up getting a whole new build number and date.

#1096015979055697940 message

he posted these test versions in December here.

[modern leaf]

Ty I grabbed it

[latent dagger]

(just linking in order to help confirm that you are indeed correct about something that happened in December)

from my understanding though he updated what is in the github (which gets pulled down with update all) it just won't have a newer date and build number

[modern leaf]

Got the n64 controller working. For some reason I had to bind the controls without the rumble pak inserted, then put it in and everything is golden.

[wanton sun]

It turned out that the shared DDR3(RDRAM, Scaler, Linux) will lead to fluctuating edge case performance.
That's the reason e.g. JFG still needs a patch to remove the copy protection check and games like DK64 or BAR that depend on frame perfect timing will not get exact timing.
When we have future hardware, we can exchange the RDRAM interface to have the true bandwidth and latency.
That plus some other relativly easy changes would allow for 99.9% exact timing. Full 100% we will likely never see due the system being too complex to understand all the edge cases.

[fossil umbra]

kind of you to reply so thoughtfully, thank you for that (and all your effort) from my perspective as a mere fan/outsider/journalist

[gray dagger]

Heya all, I'm just wondering if anyone may know why star wars racer on n64 core isn't working.... I've tried several different dumps... is anyone aware of any issues with that game specifically?

[iron dove]

loading OK here
do you have the /games/N64/N64-database.txt file

Star Wars Episode I - Racer (USA).z64 MD5 1EE8800A4003E7F9688C5A35F929D01B

Edit: to be clear, the database file doesnt need to have the above line, that's just the MD5 checksum of a good ROM

[gray dagger]

Ill check the database.txt file if I have it. It loads okay but black screen after gathering intro cutscene

[iron dove]

I loaded into a race OK
Could try resetting the core's options in case something has been set thats incompatible

you want games from a no-intro or htgdb set

[gray dagger]

Okay thanks for confirming its working ill try resetting options

Can u steer me into direction of htgdb set?

Or even transfer me?

[iron dove]

no sorry, a search for that term should get you there

you'd want some kind of... archive... of them

[gray dagger]

Kk thanks

[velvet nexus]

What is BAR?

[iron dove]

Beetle Adventure Racing I think

[velvet nexus]

Sounds right

Thanks count

I'll get you a bottle of ketchup

Hey, count, you might be older than me, but I watched that tune on nickelodeon as a kid

[iron dove]

It was on ABC here in Aus back in the late 80s/early 90s
With danger mouse, trap door, roger ramjet and some other classics 🙂

[velvet nexus]

Usa here, but the time frame is right

Early 80s I feel here

I'm 44

[iron dove]

41

roger ramjet, teaching kids to pop pep pills since the 60s

[velvet nexus]

I dunno that one

Loved danger mouse, though

[iron dove]

yeah the cosgrove hall stuff was better IMO

[velvet nexus]

Not sure I got that exposure being a yank

[iron dove]

mostly danger mouse and duckula 🙂

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/tvfan/images/d/d9/D14-19819.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20180411125728

[velvet nexus]

Ahh

[iron dove]

the UK production company

[velvet nexus]

Reminds me of gibli

Very specific style

[lean spruce]

Maybe MiSTer devs should team up with Taki Udon to make a MiSTer 2 hardware? He seems to be able to source chips at much lower cost than Terasic

[velvet nexus]

Need a good cheap capable fpga chip

That's intel type work

[lean spruce]

the one in DE25 seems to be the target

[velvet nexus]

We'll see...

[hushed nova]

does overclocking the ram a bit help here or is it more complex than that?

[jolly turret]

I can confirm it works perfectly fine on my end.

[wanton sun]

the bandwidth is not the issue, rather the blocking of scaler and/or linux causing random large delays.
You can see with the DDR3 test core that you get >100 clock cycles latency occasionally when we would need around 16 max or so.
The RDRAM in DDR3 is alrready kind of overclocked because i drive it with 64 bits @ 125mhz instead of 64bit @62.5Mhz like the RDRAM was to get better latency, but all this cannot hide these occasional 5-8x slower access times

[neat sierra]

I told you guys scalers are evil, checkmate hdmi. #tubelife

[hushed nova]

disabling the scaler doesn't really seem to improve the max

[vapid hawk]

interesting, does that just leave linux as the culprit?

[neat sierra]

I told you guys linux was evil, checkmate torvalds. #winlife

[lean spruce]

It makes sense as I would expect the scaler to have a stable overhead on the RAM wheres Linux will fluctuate more depending on what its doing

[hushed nova]

950Mhz memory gains you a whole 2 cycle min access improvement

clearly worth it

[vapid hawk]

anyone know enough about profiling linux to see if there's any low hanging fruit there?

[hushed nova]

if I kill main I can get it down to like 70 clock cycles max but even that's not consistent. it also seems very 'front loaded' after the test reset. probably need to modify the test so I can see what the max is in teh same period the average is calculated

honestly probably very little to be done on the linux side

[jolly turret]

Should I exclusively use genuine carts to compare the width?

[hushed nova]

the memory controller for the hps/fpga shared memory is configured with priorities etc via uboot and I suspect that's more of a factor

[wanton sun]

one high delay is enough to e.g. kill JFG cart timing check used for copy protection, leading to the game crashing

but if even without scaler and linux you get 70 cycles, that's tough, didn't expect that

[wanton sun]

shouldn't matter, everdrive will be fine for this test

[lyric sequoia]

Maybe refresh cycles during the 70 cycles? The timing of those is still automated by the controller.

[sonic kiln]

The Cyclone V has some registers that allow you to control the priority of certain SDRAM ports but I never got them to have much effect on Robert's latency tester core. I thought I could get it to always prioritize requests from the FPGA over those from the HPS, but maybe someone can read the docs better. MPFE Multi-Port Arbitration on page 12-10. https://cdrdv2-public.intel.com/666962/cv_5v4-683126-666962.pdf

[hushed nova]

yeah, I was going to look up which ports things were using but qsys is a helpful empty white window for me, lol

[sullen harbor]

So how exactly does auto patching work with the N64 cores

are the patches integrated into the rbf. are they downloaded with update all?

[lament escarp]

I think they're part of the database.txt

[mossy vector]

Yes, and as such the compatibility patches should not be more than a few bytes. Don't get any crazy ideas.

[mortal panther]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/N64_ROM_Database/blob/a06d6e9cdec2bff80af17157fa8e89ddb0315183/N64-database.txt#L853

[simple olive]

; N64 game patches to increase N64 Core compatibility

[stray sphinx]

anyone run into an issue where the n64 core using svideo only outputs black and white? Every other core works fine. I had to create a cores specific setting for n64 svideo to even show up on the tv - [N64]
vscale_mode=1
vga_scaler=1
video_mode=320,8,32,24,240,4,3,16,6048

[topaz otter]

i got the nintendo power video tape about banjo kazooie in the mail

what was crazy is that I didn't even order it

[topaz otter]

it was like nintendo had a direct line into my brain

[ivory laurel]

An object from an alternate timeline

[thorny dew]

Where can I get the n64 turbo core? Do I have to subscribe to someone’s patreon?

[lament escarp]

It's in the pins: #1096015979055697940 message

No you don't need to subscribe.

[mellow raft]

Actually you need to subscribe to NerdPorkArsoMiST's channel. It's the $20 tier.

Yay taco money

[topaz otter]

Subscribe to robby's onlyfans

its a live stream of of his only fans

[jolly turret]

Have you tested the new core? I'll finally have some time over the weekend to test with my CRT. If you have found anything interesting let me know, and I'll be happy to cross check with my CRT.

[chrome quest]

I'll see if I can over the weekend too. Not had the time yet

[jolly turret]

Same here, I'm having a very busy week.

[blissful wolf]

give me twenty dollars

https://tenor.com/view/smokes-lets-go-trailer-park-gif-15640935

[latent dagger]

damn. you out here acting the news paper boy but grown up.

tacking on a zero at the end of that shit

[thorny dew]

Smokes let’s go

[topaz otter]

my favorite scene is when corey drinks bubbles experiemental weed energy drink and is passed out on the lawnmower

https://tenor.com/view/trailer-park-boys-trailer-park-boys-tpb-gif-13742463

I'm not kidding when I say this show is the funniest thing ever put on the small screen

[thorny dew]

Its a fuckin classic

[velvet nexus]

do love me some TPB

[modern leaf]

Alright here is my stack ranking of n64 controllers: Nintendo Switch Online N64, OG N64 with Reflex, Wired Brawler 64, Wired Tribute 64. TBD (coming in mail tomorrow) Wireless Tribute 64.

THe brawler 64 is so close to being the best but it has some really weird dead zones

[molten silo]

What makes you prefer the NSO controller to og? @modern leaf

[latent dagger]

it works with a Switch is probably one of them.

doesn't necessarily need you to buy upgrade kits and swap out parts, or even do soldering.

aside from it using a potentiometer instead of the original laser gates, it's a fairly faithful recreation.

[lament escarp]

Still waiting for the day when the driver works properly on the 8bitdo modkit.

[latent dagger]

I've heard people say they like the generic no name third party Wireless controllers that Saffun and others sell

[lament escarp]

Yeah but I got the modkit before the n64 core was even working and imagined it'd just work like any other controller. Now I'm too stubborn to get another one. Shows what an idiot I am.

[latent dagger]

I mean, you can still use it with the Switch and PC

[lament escarp]

What infuriates me the most is that the controller won't even work with the 8bitdo usb adapter. Which is sold as "compatible with all 8bitdo controllers and modkits".

[latent dagger]

lol

won't work with the dongle on MiSTer or won't work period, even on PC?

[lament escarp]

The controller won't work with the dongle, period.

Even contacted 8bitdo about it, they say it's not meant to work.

[latent dagger]

does that dongle have a chip on it that holds firmware/drivers that can be updated you think?

oh, it's not meant to work....

[lament escarp]

Yeah both the modkit and dongle can be firmware updated.

[latent dagger]

did the dongle come out before the released the N64 mod kit though? cuz then they can still be correct in their marketing when they say it's compatible with all mod kits (as of the creation of the dongle that is)

I've been toying with the idea of getting a Saffun controller

[lament escarp]

Yeah the dongle came out way before. But they added compatibility with the n64 nso controller and the gc modkit, both came out after the dongle and the gc modkit after the n64 modkit.

[latent dagger]

if only to make my life just a little bit easier when it comes to the buttons and their mapping/layout

[lament escarp]

I'm curious on how it's gonna work on analouge 3d tbh. Either their own modkit won't work with it 100% or they need to get their shit in order. Or they gatekeep functionality intentionally.

[latent dagger]

but at the same time... do I play enough to warrant it? I barely touch my MiSTer right now. I barely touch anything and play any games atm.
I just started playing Destiny 2 again today cuz of the new dungeon, and they are releasing new content on the 18th, and I also just started playing the new Zombies map in BO6 today as well, and still need to hunker down on one of my days off with my friend to get through more or Dead Island 2

[lament escarp]

Those sound like terrible games. I'd also barely play if those were my options. 😅

[modern leaf]

@molten silo - Built in rumble so the controller is lighter, feels almost identical to OG. Also works with Mister and Ares both so you can use it without a reflex/snac adapter.

[mortal panther]

I haven't noticed any dead zone issues with the Brawler 64, but the only problem I have with that otherwise excellent controller is the ultra-smooth plastic on the shell. It can be a bit difficult to grip and keep in place in my hands.

[covert bough]

Couple more weeks till we can all test the 8bitdo n64

[lament escarp]

I wonder if it will be any different to the brawler tbh. Looks samey.

[magic girder]

2 player MK64 - did it lag on original hardware or is that a MiSTer limitation? (I don’t remember well enough from back in the day)

(I know the turbo core is a thing - but I like my period correct lag - I’m just curious)

[paper orchid]

IIRC, MK64's performance with two players varies incredibly wildly

Battle -> Skyscraper for example is so ridiculously fast even with like 4 players

[magic girder]

That’s good to know. Thanks 🙂

[paper orchid]

But standard races I remember having slowdown/lag, either from time to time or just a constant

[magic girder]

Kalimari desert it really seemed to chug at times

[paper orchid]

Kalimari Desert is maybe one of the worst

[magic girder]

I didn’t mind - like I said, I actually enjoy “period correct lag”

[paper orchid]

Well if you enjoy period-correct

Battle -> Skyscraper, you're gonna love it

[magic girder]

I’m just a bit weird like that

[topaz otter]

I remember that 2 player depends on the level

but 4 player chugs perpetually

[jolly turret]

@wanton sun @chrome quest Here are my test results comparing the image of my PAL N64 console, the most recent stable core and the new test core. I'm using a small Sony BMV CRT monitor to test, switching between the console and Mister outputs on my monitor on the fly, having the game displaying a menu or file slecet screen, placing the fingernail of my pointing finger on the screen as a marker/guide. I mostly used genuine carts for these tests.

-Bomberman 64-

Stable Core: Image is slightly shifted to the left
New Test Core: Closer to hardware, image is still shifted more to the left

-Mario Kart 64-

Stable Core: Very close to hardware, both left and right sides are maybe one or two pixels less wide compared to hardware
New Test Core: Seems identical to stable core, I can't detect any difference here

-Paper Mario-

Stable Core: Image is positioned slightly further towards the left, showing more of the right side
New Test Core: Same as stable core

-Pilotwings 64-

Stable Core: Image is slightly shifted to the left, right edge is noticeably shifted more left than left edge
New Test Core: Left edge is very close, shifted by maybe a pixel, right edge is shifted noticeably compared to hardware

-Pokemon Stadium-

Stable Core: Image is shifted very slightly to the left, maybe one or two pixels
New Test Core: Image shifted very slightly to the left, noticeably shifted on the right (right side gets shifted outwards to the right)

-Super Mario 64-

Stable Core: Image slightly shifted to the left
New Test Core: Left edge appears to be identical or very, very close, right edge is shifted inwards to the left

Let me know if this information is helpful. I'm going to be unavailable till later today, but I'm letting my setup connect for now so that I can test more things in the evening if necessary. Is it possible to create screenshots directly from within the Mister to compare?

It seems like the current stable core is the most consistent, where as the test core is very inconsistent. It seems to me that both image placement and screen width get affected with the test core diffecnetly across different games.

[modern leaf]

Man I'm having a blast with the core but damn some of these games are not what I remembered, lol. Goldeneye frames are super low.

When I was younger never noticed it

[floral horizon]

is there a way to slow down n64 games? specifically diddy kong racing runs way too fast compared to console and im wondering if theres some settings or something i can change to make it closer to og hardware

n64 v241109
usa 1.1 and jpn 1.0 run the same (too fast!)

[modern leaf]

are you using the non-turbo code?

[floral horizon]

is that under cheats? if so i have them disabled

if not im not sure what menu option that would be on

oh if code was a typo for core i am using the normal n64 core

[zinc dew]

It's because for a lot of people, we didn't have anything to compare it to. Sure there were plenty of 60fps 2D games but this was a whole different beast. After a while you do get used to it. Even though the fps is super low the design does accommodate for that through limited AI engagement and slow response time.

[green epoch]

@floral horizon may be right - diddy may be running at a playable frame rate. Can anyone else double check? I ran both the standard and rev a roms, and both were playing at ~30fps most of the time. Looking at youtube, it looks like should be closer to 20

[floral horizon]

yeah so game does target 30 (i misspoke in help earlier) but it should be rarely hitting that

this is from the dkr speed/time trial community

[green epoch]

yeah, it definitely targets 30. in the comparison video I found, it hits it from time to time

but not as often as the core hits it

[floral horizon]

they also have a comparison video for jp 1.0, us 1.1 on just the demo/attract mode between og and everdrive and i have a 1 hour video of jp on mister if that would be desired

[green epoch]

https://youtu.be/yWmVj_VWMG8?si=-aj7HLDsOTDWJUPa

[floral horizon]

oh yeah fazana is the person for this

[green epoch]

that’s the video I referenced when I was looking at it

Is it known in the speedrunner community that the core runs fast? or do they not even fuck with it?

[floral horizon]

im the first person i think

[green epoch]

Well I’d like someone else to take a look before we bug robert about it. just in case you and I are missing a setting

[floral horizon]

understandable

if there are settings people want me to test let me know and ill do it

[green epoch]

I looked through the stuff and couldn’t find anything obvious

[floral horizon]

as of right now this is beyond me and im not sure how/what to think to lead myself into a correct direction

[wanton sun]

you can use the debug settings to slow down the core as much as you like.
If you want maximum torture, you can always disable the instruction and data caches.
But I recommend instead to increase the DDR3 Delay slowly to not let the frog jump out of the boiling water too quickly

[magic girder]

Also 3D gaming was relatively novel too, so seeing things in 3D even at a low framerate was mind blowing

[zinc dew]

I have the original cart and my N64 hooked up to my CRT

[green epoch]

Please start counting frames

[zinc dew]

Hold on, gotta qtip this fucker

[turbid warren]

how to make you N64 region free! opens the N64 and rips out some plastic bits alright, now your N64 is region free 🙂

[green epoch]

You know what to do, Robby

[zinc dew]

Nah it’s just about the same.

I just played a bunch on my original system hooked up to a CRT and compared against the MiSTer on my LCD. It’s not 1:1 of course and not scientific but game feel is either identical or very close.

I encourage others to play the game on their N64 to corroborate or disagree. But don’t watch YouTube videos and don’t watch frame counters. Play the game to see if you can notice a difference.

Also play on an unmodded system on a CRT without a flash cart. It’s gotta be OG otherwise you’re tampering with hardware.

[hushed nova]

the problem here is the question is coming in by way of speedrunning, so 'I played it and it feels identical' is not an actual answer

[zinc dew]

It is for me

But in all seriousness, it would be nice to have frame capture from original hardware and frame capture from MiSTer. Otherwise any proclamations that it’s too fast is just as valid as mine saying it’s identical or close enough.

The difference is I just played it on real hardware.

[vapid hawk]

every speedrun community is different, but i think in general most would not accept the mister core as real hardware

maybe in the same category as emulator runs though

[zinc dew]

I wouldn’t accept anything other than an original system with an original cart.

[vapid hawk]

thats pretty common yeah

[zinc dew]

I respect it. If you’re going to have competitions you need to ensure exactness so that everyone is on an even playing field, Any modification to the original experience, even a flash cart, opens the doors to modified behavior from the original and makes it easier to modify the game.

[vapid hawk]

yeah

though tbh if you're not like, approaching WR pace kinda doesn't matter

[zinc dew]

Haha true

I guess I’m too much of a stickler lol

[vapid hawk]

so like, starting out on mister, getting a top 10 time, then spending however much for a real cart seems legit

some of them are quite expensive now especially if you need a particular region version for the best time

[zinc dew]

My apologies to all our fallen friends who we'll miss dearly. Take solace that we won't forget your brave sacrifices to ⁠Nintendo 64 and may our paths cross again in the future.

LET THE CULLING COMMENCE

[languid dune]

I will survive!!

[zinc dew]

NAH

[languid dune]

Nooo!

[zinc dew]

lolol

[languid dune]

https://tenor.com/view/killed-em-hold-this-stabbed-gif-14017151

[latent dagger]

[zinc dew]

LMAO

SHIT

[latent dagger]

lolol

[zinc dew]

IT WORKED

[latent dagger]

[oblique nymph]

Test

Ok, im in

[languid dune]

OMG, Kitrinx got the axe.

[zinc dew]

NO ONE TELL HER

[latent dagger]

it's ok, she doesn't actually use this channel anyways

[latent dagger]

I'm not much of a speedrunner but I think they are allowed to use everdrive on original hardware for legit runs.

[zinc dew]

ok I removed 15

[hushed nova]

how you gonna remove a person named 'TURBOn64'

[oblique nymph]

What game are you referring too?

[languid dune]

More like 50, since I count 35 with my might...ness.

[zinc dew]

it caught my eye lol

[turbid warren]

it took me a minute cause i was all "what the fuck is a turbon 64" lmao

[zinc dew]

also I thought it was funny cause I ranted against the turbo core and then realized I was wrong or at least didn't explain myself

[latent dagger]

the last time TurboN64 said anything in this entire server was in 2023

[zinc dew]

Oh damn

[latent dagger]

so it's cool

I bought a DVD shelf

👀

it was expensive

but it can hold more than 500 DVDs

[zinc dew]

how many N64 carts can it hold tho

[oblique nymph]

A copy of Diddy Kong Racing is $40 on ebay, and mixed in with repros... damn 😭

[zinc dew]

man wtf lol

oh yeah repros got bad, man that sucks

err they got real good

so buying used n64 is now bad

[turbid warren]

$40 is $35 too much for an N64 game imo

[zinc dew]

yeah I gotta stop saying "only original games on original hardware" lol

or arguing with speed runners

both of those

[oblique nymph]

Yeah, It's getting more difficult to find original games aswell. Even my local game store fell victim to a few repros

[floral horizon]

i have a 1.0 cart so i may be able to see how it looks but no idea if it still works

wont be on crt though because i refused to travel with that after moving like 3 times

[oblique nymph]

Fr, I wouldn't mind $20-25 but any higher is pushing it. On the ebay listing there's also a sticker on the back that had the game as $14.95 dated in 12/2/19 LOL

[zinc dew]

honestly smart

they are so heavy

Yeah I'm no speed runner so what do I know, it would be nice if you could give us your evaluation

thanks btw

[floral horizon]

im not a dkr runner (yet) but i do know some very easy lag points

or i guess framedippage since it is n64

[zinc dew]

more than me!

[floral horizon]

i just have to suffer n64 controller with a really bad hand

[oblique nymph]

I just looked through my box of games, I have the 1.1 release

[zinc dew]

how can you tell which version you have

little number indents on the back?

[floral horizon]

yea

[zinc dew]

01A ?

[floral horizon]

1.0

err 1.1

XX is 1.0, XXA is 1.1, XXB is 1.2

[zinc dew]

oh ok, thank you

[floral horizon]

let me see if i can find sda forum post about it since it also has pictures

well i found it but all the pictures broke which is very unfortunate

[green epoch]

@oblique nymph there is space for you now, if you’re brave enough

[oblique nymph]

Yeah, im in lol

Just commented a few minutes ago

[green epoch]

Ahh sorry

[floral horizon]

https://forum.speeddemosarchive.com/post/how_to_identify_your_games_version__how_to_identify_fake_gba_carts.html
it doesnt have pictures anymore since i guess the site is dead but it does detail lots of ways to ID games and spot fakes

[magic girder]

And Robby was never seen or heard from again

[zinc dew]

stop bringing attention to it!

[little socket]

you made your bed, now lie in it, else there won't be virtual boy core

[green epoch]

I can’t believe you kicked Kitrinx. After everything she has done for you

[hushed nova]

like any of us are shocked he would do such a thing

[woeful grove]

It's good to be the queen. I don't need to be here to be here.

[hushed nova]

the tiara grants access beyond mortal comprehension

[woeful grove]

https://tenor.com/view/power-aladdin-disney-unlimited-cosmic-power-genie-gif-5266474

[zinc dew]

don't hurt me lol

[mellow raft]

I thought you liked pain? You moderate us after all.

[lament linden]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-kick-out-purge-now-homer-gif-12685545

[topaz otter]

damn rip in piece beefsupreme

we barely knew ye

https://tenor.com/view/tacos-dog-cute-pup-puppy-gif-17660569

[weak hill]

does using a flash cart changes anything vs original cart?

[oblique nymph]

Under normal circumstances, no nothing changes. In competitive situations, the rules wants everyone on an even playing field, using Flash Carts or reproduction carts can have minor changes which can potentially make or break runs in the longrun

Or people can use modified roms and cheat that way

[floral horizon]

iirc dkr has concluded there is more lag on everdrive

[weak hill]

i understand, seems fair.

[mellow raft]

Strangely enough I've heard some tournaments legalizing the MiSTer for some street fighter stuff. However I cannot confirm how big these leagues are or if it's true. But it's be pretty cool.

[wanton sun]

thank you. That proves that there is more behind it than just showing more pixels and i will not commit these new changes. Overall analog out seems inconsistent.

[tender pine]

Got the link?

[jolly turret]

Yes, the current stable core is behaving perfectly consistent, the new test core is very inconsistent in comparison and is possibly also messing with the width of the image in some games according to what I was finding out with my "highly scientific testing methods".

The difference of the stable core compared to the real console is very minimal though, it only looks like the entire image output would need to be shifted slightly by a few pixels to match the console output perfectly. If any additional testing is required we should try to use some kind of grid patterns, maybe Artemio's test tool is actually offering such, I have not fully checked it through yet.

[chrome quest]

Thanks for checking. Didn't get the N64 out myself. I guess a fix to the visible region would take something different so as not to result in the inconsistencies you found.
How original hardware works must be a little different... I wonder is this even PAL only

[jolly turret]

It's possible, unfortunately I can only test with my PAL console.

[deft tree]

Vampire Savior scene has run almost entirely on MiSTer for like 2 1/2 years now. Multiple 60-110 player tournaments.

Street Fighter 2 and Street Fighter Alpha 2 wind up on MiSTer a good amount now too. In general CPS2 games

The NeoGeo games too, like Karnovs Revenge / Neo Turf Master / etc

[mellow raft]

Cool thanks for the info @deft tree

[topaz otter]

By the time you're middle age your cells have divided so many times that you aren't even the same person you were when you were born

so this is kind of hypocritical

[lament escarp]

Afaik the slowest cells in your body take about 7 years to be replaced.

[topaz otter]

is that right? i think some of mine are still waiting in line at the parts store

[lament escarp]

Afaik. And I've been tested to have an IQ of 85, so make of that what you will. 😋

[green epoch]

old you had an iq of 85

what about new you?

[topaz otter]

I just draw with crayons and sometimes I eat them

us fellow t@rds got to stick together 🙂 under our shared love of the mister

[lament escarp]

That was just 2 years ago. 😭

I always thought I was really smart

But that explains a lot tbh.

[green epoch]

well check again in 5 years

[zinc dew]

[mortal panther]

Robby of Theseus

[lone geyser]

Neurons don't regenerate, though, and what are you if not your brain?

[lament escarp]

A miserable pile of secrets!

[cunning fern]

How are you guys setting up the rumble pak and controller pak options? P1 P2 as rumblepaks and P3 or P4 as controllerpak? So if I have only one controller that supports rumble it will still use the controllerpak on P3 if needed? Or should I set it to controllerpak on P2?

[floral horizon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Lr_swNkvN4

my n64 also just does not work atm so i need to figure that out to look deeper into dkr

[jolly turret]

It's interesting that the EverDrive works different enough to make for noticeable differences.

[zinc dew]

Not sure I follow. Whatever your P1 controller is will use whatever the pak option for P1 is set to. It won’t use other player’s pak options.

But you can change between rumble and controller pak in-game. In-fact plenty of games support this and even instruct you to swap if you want to save.

[cunning fern]

Ohh, I assumed you could use a save pak in any other controller port and it will use that to save if the first controller had a rumble pak.

[zinc dew]

You know, I don’t think I ever tried but I don’t think it works that way? Would be cool if a game supports that.

I think the game itself needs to support it, otherwise the core won’t.

But I guess I’m not being helpful because I haven’t really tried what you’re trying to do.

[cunning fern]

I never had a N64 growing up, so have really no clue if what I assumed can be done.

[zinc dew]

Ohhhh ok

Oh right, the PS1 has two memory card slots and it doesn’t matter if it’s in slot 1 or 2

As a comparative point

On the N64 the controller paks are inserted directly into the controller itself so its saves are usually tied to the actual player.

I.E. in Perfect Dark you can save your multiplayer profile and stats to a controller pak and then take it to a friends house so you can keep using your same profile in MP matches, it was pretty novel at the time. Well I thought so anyways.

Also comically the N64 has no save manager in its bios so games had to include their own custom save management software. Which was kind of a shit show because some games had it accessible in the options or other games required you to hold a button at boot lol.

[topaz otter]

Wait can't you hold z trigger when you boot a game

Oh wait I think that's the gameshark

[zinc dew]

That’s a clever workaround

Sort of off topic but the PS1 having a bios and save card manager really did feel “next-gen” to me. Well after I got over being salty that I now had to buy an accessory to save my games.

Cause I didn’t know and had to save my game and didn’t have a mem card lol.

[mossy vector]

Yeah not enough games bother to check controller 2-4 for main progress saves. Also too many games (dammit Midway) don't even look for a game save without manually loading from a cumbersome menu.

[cunning fern]

So how are games that use controller paks saved in the core? Does it create a controller pak per game per controller port?

[zinc dew]

Yeah I think so. I just checked my save folder and there’s a save per controller pak lol. Maybe that’s the byproduct of an older core method of handling saves?

[mortal panther]

Mario Kart 64 is 28 years old today in North America.

[cunning fern]

I don't think there is a better way, the core needs to account for each pack in each port.

[topaz otter]

Didn't Sony mandate this

The whole don't turn the power off while saving warning and the ten steps to save

[topaz otter]

Yeah the gameshark has a built in memory card manager

You can erase, move files, format, repair

And if I'm not badly mistaken the gscc program can dump saves from the memory card over a parallel port to the pc

It can also pull screenshots from video ram

I used it to d*mp carts

It dumps them in big endian I think so the bytes have to be flipped

[tender pine]

Cheers. I'm wondering does this apply to every Everdrive because as we all know many variants exist with differing firmwares. I wonder for example how the Summer Cart 64 holds up under tests.

[floral horizon]

all i know is that it deviates further than everdrive

as for what that means no idea

[candid panther]

So what hall effect sticks are out there at the moment, and which is the best to go for?

I've got a pad with an 8bitdo hall effect stick, it's awesome, but has anyone tried the inotech one? Might have got that name wrong.

I've got a few pads which have utterly wank analog sticks

[lament escarp]

I believe @vapid hawk has that kit. I know someone has, just not quite sure who.

[candid panther]

If it's 1:1 to the original stick but hall effect, then it's perfect

For what I want anyway!

[vapid hawk]

its pretty good

stick wise, it feels pretty close to the real thing, it doesn't have any annoying behaviors on misters bluetooth, rumble works etc

sorry idk about latency i dont have any way to meassure that so i just wont comment

[zinc dew]

I don;t know either but it doesn't stop me!

[zenith orchid]

You know, I haven't seen the metrics in quite some time, measuring how much of the library is completable.

are we 100% solid on this core now? 😮

[magic girder]

I doubt anyone has been keeping track of which games have been completed. But essentially assume completable unless there’s a GitHub issue that suggests otherwise

[magic girder]

But the answer is probably yes

[lament escarp]

Lol didn't you folks know that n64 core is impossible?

[tender pine]

Stick a fork in the DE10 nano...it's done.

[lament escarp]

I only spoon my de10.

[magic girder]

Me too, me too

[vapid hawk]

i think there's like a mahjong game that doesn't work and a few unexplained randomish freezes

like rayman2 is hard to finish apparently

[turbid warren]

you're both very brave or foolish. that thing gets hot lol

[zenith orchid]

sweeeeet!

[magic girder]

Mine has a noctua fan so it’s gloriously cool

@lament escarp has one of those fancy aluminium cases so he’s more likely to get burned

[zenith orchid]

did you guys know that the dreamcast is impossible on de-10 nano? that means there's hope

[magic girder]

I’ll wait for the PS2 core

[zenith orchid]

but I mean, ps2-fat + sata SSD..

[magic girder]

Eventually…

[lament escarp]

Hope you don't get tangled up in that noctua...

Ps3 and onward was the downfall of consoles.

HD was a mistake.

We only need one more generation on mister.

[turbid warren]

games look nicer but you play them less lol

goes through another fake loading screen shimmy section

[lament escarp]

FPS really tanked on ps3 and 360 imo.