Nintendo 64

[gilded whale]

Just hold out for the rugrats nes game, looks way better

[mortal panther]

"...the game is now 100% freeze-free. That doesn't mean there might not be a freeze later in the game..."
Actually, that's exactly what that means. 😏

[lament escarp]

Is that quote from someone who loves saying 100% about 100% of topics 100% of the time?

100% vge.

[fair stump]

Anytime an update is made for N64 games and I think about the game library

Then I disappear and the game never see me

[eternal ravine]

You should play Seaman by SEGA

[turbid warren]

Leonard Nimoy: you're too obsessed with Seaman. go outside, touch some grass

then the game cuts off the console

[gilded whale]

Prior to these patches coming out I easily would have sacrificed about 150 n64 multi-plats and sports titles to the FPGA gods for them to scrub from existence for a working Conker and jfg. Thankfully that wasn’t needed.

Now for the battle of naboo I’ll sacrifice all the n64 games with the words ‘Ken Griffey jr’ in the title

[worn delta]

Naboo is pretty good if I remember! An exclusive too

[gilded whale]

https://youtu.be/W9O032KK_jM?si=feRtLBKID2hzhX8J

Reminds me of skate or die

[chrome quest]

(Nobody else quietly playing PAL Naboo? It might work... No freeze here)

[worn delta]

Oh, that's interesting if PAL Naboo doesn't have the crash

[gilded whale]

I want to make an overly censored patch for conker, where all the speech is replaced with beeps

[sullen harbor]

I got a weird question

If I want to run a romhack for zelda will that cause issues if I have an un altered rom in the same games file?

[modest helm]

It's actually objectively the best Star Wars game on the N64, it's just that people hate Episode 1. I'm a Millenial so I love the prequels, but it's objectively the best because there are land, air, and water vehicles and the draw distance is incredible. Maybe the best on N64 hardware

[turbid warren]

never played Naboo. only played Pod Racer and Rogue Squadron on N64. i hear good things about Shadows of the Empire though

[eternal ravine]

Wait can you fly around in that chromed-out stealth jet

[spare meadow]

Never played Naboo but Racer and Shadows of the Empire are great

[modest helm]

The content is exclusively Naboo and Episode 1 so no X-Wings, Y-Wings or other iconic planets like Hoth or Tatooine. Definitely recommended though. It's a technical showpiece for the N64

[modest helm]

It's pretty good. Have just played a few stages on my Everdrive 64 but I like it as much or more than Rogue Squadron

[cerulean elk]

Is this confirmed? If so I’ll do a vid. Someone else mentioned this in my comments. Actually a few people

[cunning mantle]

Resident Evil PAL never crashed/freezed for me neither. Never completed it via the core, but played a few hours.

[spare meadow]

Beat the game 4 times and it frozen for me only 2 times. First time with Leon A at the beginning of the game and the second time with Claire B at the end of the game, fighting the last boss

[cunning mantle]

PAL?

[spare meadow]

Yes

[cunning mantle]

Sounds good. So, no real ugly game breaking stuff.

[worn delta]

Sounds like Naboo needs someone to do some proper testing on it to see if this crash is 100% reproducable on US release and then check PAL (and any other versions if there are any) and see if the crash is there as well. Then ideally log findings on GitHub. All bugs should be going on GitHub now. Ball really been dropped there after core went into Main.

[drowsy lantern]

JFG also has sound crackling in place. My phone sure isn’t the best audio recording device, but you can hear the crackling/click here:

[languid dune]

All this PAL talk. It just reminds me that I don't have any PALs...

[lament escarp]

You'll always have cheese.

[languid dune]

My one true love. That, and F-Zero and Metroid!

[lament escarp]

Seriously though, one thing I wanna do in my live is eat American government cheese. Since I learned that the us has actual government cheese I'm obsessed with the fact.

[zinc dew]

damn, cbfd patch for the uncensored version not working on any rom I find

[drowsy lantern]

For some reason I’m not getting any rumble in JFG? Anyone else?

[fair stump]

Tried every version in your collection?

[dusty tusk]

Is there any documentation on what the easy and very easy cheats do for Conker's Bad Fur Day?

[zinc dew]

"The uncensored patch needs to be used with the original NTSC release, not the already uncensored ROM."

ME NO READ

[turbid warren]

reading is hard tbf

[lament escarp]

So is conker cencored or uncensored actually better?

[zinc dew]

Up to personal taste, the bleeps I find funnier

but I already played through the game so might as well play through it again uncensored

[lament escarp]

I don't want you to learn bad words

[drowsy lantern]

Nevermind. I thought the default pistol had rumble. It doesn’t.

[modest helm]

Vigilante 8 has corrupted menus for about 1 second before fixing itself. It's more of a cosmetic issue than an in-game issue. Anyone else experience this? Should we report issues to Github or the compatability tracker?

[foggy cape]

I've played the uncensored but I agree, I think the bleeps make the game much funnier.

[magic girder]

I always assumed it was for the laughs rather than actual censorship

It’s not like there’s not plenty of swearing that’s not bleeped out

[modest helm]

I think only the F word is bleeped iirc

[magic girder]

I wasn’t paying too much attention but that sounds about right

[sullen harbor]

What exactly was the problem for Battle for Naboo US's compatability again?

[modest helm]

Random crashing iirc

[sullen harbor]

Is it tlb, rsp, ram timing

[compact depot]

Turbo or regular core?

[drowsy lantern]

Regular

[tulip pendant]

Is there any kind of known issue with video mode 13 and the turbo core? Tried launching it for the first time last night and my screen loses sync and the MiSTer seems to crash (reset button doesn't do anything). I have vsync_adjust=0 set under custom entry in mister.ini for the core (assuming n64_80mhz is the core name)

[zinc dew]

Maybe your HDMI scaler can’t handle it

[tulip pendant]

hmm yea

[foggy cape]

Hey sorry if this has been asked before, but what is the consensus on using turbo core all the time in terms of risk? Is it really straining the DE-10? I have an aluminum case from misteraddons so it's passive cooling (no fan) and get worried about overheating.

[zinc dew]

Turbo has absolutely zero impact on the MiSTer FPGA

feel safe in using it all the time if you want

It may product unexpected bugs however and is provided as-is.

don’t report any bugs or issues while using the Turbo core

[foggy cape]

That is actually really surprising to me. Considering how intensive N64 core was to make in the first place.

[zinc dew]

Intensive to fit on the FPGA, not to run

[foggy cape]

Ohhh I see. Sweet.

I don't think I can go back to normal core unless I encounter bugs haha

[zinc dew]

You shouldn’t but it does run the N64 at a higher clock speed so some games may have issues because of it. I haven’t seen any myself and it improves framerate in games that chug like Perfect Dark!

[foggy cape]

Yeah so far I've had zero issues with the turbo core specifically. It's been an absolute game-changer for me.

Thanks for putting my mind at ease!

[zinc dew]

My pleasure! I’m glad you’re enjoying it so much. It’s an amazing technical feat that was done in record time. A real milestone in game emulation.

[fiery hamlet]

Did this have to be adjusted for the Conker Uncensored patch from them using some of the expansion pak ram? Afaik the uncensored version was always advertised as needing the expansion pak due to them storing code in that range for their modifications to execute.

[dusty tusk]

Been playing conker uncensored all day. Not a single crash. Game can be obtuse as all hell though

[vast delta]

So are battle of naboo and RE2 the last games that freeze?

[dusty tusk]

And a mahjong game apparently

[vast delta]

Other than mahjong

Awesome

[weary perch]

Pro Mahjong Kiwame 64 works fine using the turbo core

you can also just remove the controller pak and play on the normal core, though you won't be able to save

[atomic stratus]

i’m surely repeating but are there any games left that crash that have no workaround (i.e. also crash in the turbo core)

[weary perch]

Polaris SnoCross

[atomic stratus]

ah

[weary perch]

it is extremely similar to the PS1 version

like, it might legitimately be the closest two 3D PS1/N64 neighbors, they are incredibly alike

they even look similar which is not true for most PS1/N64 comparisons

[atomic stratus]

oh interesting 🤔 so even if that one never gets a fix it’s not any big loss

[weary perch]

indeed

the game is lower-tier as far as N64 racers go as well

Rugrats in Paris also still crashes and has no workaround but i personally find that to be a game not worth playing (the music and graphics are pretty impressive, though)

i think that one may also have a PS1 version but honestly i give zero fucks about that game lol

@atomic stratus i have a "workarounds" sheet on my test spreadsheet

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HiL-vHgpL5Wj0iv88EGtMYcmcf9sml35W3sQgRPz2wU/edit?usp=sharing

some of them i just point out the existence of a version on another platform (with a MiSTer core) because there isn't a "workaround" in the sense of getting the game working properly on the core

[quasi storm]

I'm a little late to the party, but it amuses how, based on @hidden bolt 's description, he basically just told Jet Force Gemini...

[hidden bolt]

I was not aware of this, if it is true then this version should crash eventually.

[cobalt junco]

Found and tried the rom from reddit + archive.org but both give the same checksum mismatch.

[iron dove]

"The uncensored patch needs to be used with the original NTSC release, not the already uncensored ROM."

[cobalt junco]

oh ok I'm not familiar with the censored/uncensored but I figured the OG rom would have the censored stuff removed

[iron dove]

the patch includes both the crash fix and the censorship removal

so can just apply over stock USA ROM

[cobalt junco]

cool, good to know the OG rom still included the "uncensored" data, thank you.

[iron dove]

i think the original cart had the uncensored audio then added the bleeps over top
although CBFDforN64CorePatchNTSCUncensoredv2.bps is a 2MB vs 1KB for the other patches, so I suppose there's something extra in it 🙂

[mortal panther]

I've got something extra in it...

[bitter fjord]

I have a stupid question, now that some roms have been identified to fail because of a timing check, assuming the timing can't be corrected in the core, wouldn't it be suitable to patch the rom on the fly upon loading it in the core so the end user doesn't have to patch then by hand?

[vapid hawk]

maybe once it all shakes out? mister doesn't currently support any on-the-fly rompatching though

at the very least a python script to search the n64 folder for those roms and patch them would be straightforward

[bitter fjord]

It would be trivial to implement, just identify the rom through CRC or the header and patch the location in memory before execution

There are already some CRC checks meant for save type support implemented

[vapid hawk]

you could do it at the core level but having mister main handle it would mean it doesn't add anything much to the fpga usage

[zinc dew]

Knowing Sorg he’d rather have the issue fixed rather than patching a rom on the fly.

Patching a rom is very trivial for the end user to do.

[worn delta]

Agreed with Robby, it would be better for this to eventually be fixed properly than try add in on the fly patching which is another thing that could wind up being another point of failure

It might be an idea to update the N64 readme to include links to the patches and a link to the online patcher

Although in the meantime, if there aren't issues on GitHub already for these games, add them and then comment with links to the patches and patcher, so those could be pinned here

[neat sierra]

This is how some other launchers do it, on the fly patchers right? Like Swiss or whatever can patch 480p or widescreen or somesuch for some GameCube games

[rich warren]

Or include just the patch files as an option in update_all to be patched by the user later. Would be a good way vet them for the various systems

"MiSTer rom patch files" or something

I bet Wizzo could add something to the web GUI to patch roms easier too.

[mellow raft]

These patches aren't really final anyway @bitter fjord We don't 100% know they've completely fixed the issue

They're more of a workaround by design anyway

It'd be better to implement the actual fixes VGEsoterica has been researching and see where that leads afaik

But also Robert exclaimed some of these fixes, if done right, could POSSIBLY be implemented at the core level. But it would take a lot of testing and complexity to get it done

Clarification: Not a guarantee

[mellow raft]

personally I'd rather not have patches distributed with update_all. It's a bit dirty to do so imo

Then it would always pull the patch and I'd have to leave it in a random folder in my MiSTer

[wanton sun]

the JFG part cannot be fixed on the DE10-Nano. Rasky made a test for PI timing and i worked hard to try to get it to pass, but we cannot fulfill it with the RDRAM in DDR3

for conker it's still unclear what the issue even is

the core could of course patch/hack the RSP microcode to always pass, but that's not really a "fix" 😅

[neat sierra]

External patching seems fine for these games people only care about because they don’t work 😜. Anything else is probably more effort than it’s worth

For the RDRAM in DDR3 didn’t @quick otter have some interesting finding about using the lower vs upper portion having radically different timings? (Like the hps reserved vs fpga available) Maybe someone who really cares a lot about JFG working “properly” could experiment.

[wanton sun]

it doesn't matter. as long as HPS and scaler access the DDR3, there will always be pauses

[neat sierra]

Damn scaler, throw it in the trash

[gilded whale]

Is there a possibility to get the cheats working on these patched roms in the future?

[mellow raft]

If someone makes cheats that match, yes

Same with any other hack

[gilded whale]

I’d love a cheat that just gives me all the tribals for jfg

[vapid moat]

Do ya'll think there ever will be a fork of the core that removes some features to make way for RTC implementation?

On that end, could a romhack be done for Pokemon Stadium 2 or Animal Crossing which transfer their inner RTC inside the games themselves somehow?

[frail jolt]

so youi been playing this uncensored version with no crashes??
Wtf is the uncesored version? (i must google)

OOOooo its a romhack?

[zinc dew]

I think it’s just a basic patch to remove the bleep over the swear words

[frail jolt]

u r correct sir.. i googled

and there is a hot coffee mod added in for good measure

[eternal ravine]

How odd, so they applied the bleeps in realtime?

[zinc dew]

Fun anecdote but the person who built that patch was a local here in Dallas who sold repro carts with rom hacks. I think they made that patch themselves.

[zinc dew]

I actually don’t know but considering the highly limited cart space and how much voice there is, I’m assuming that’s what they did

[eternal ravine]

Rare had their fingers on the trigger
Don't mess with us Nintendo or we release the cuss code

[frail jolt]

oooo so the sound effect was made to go off at intervales based on what the game was doing... INTERESTING

[zinc dew]

Like I said, I don’t actually know but I can’t see any other possible solution

And that’s a really easy solution to implement and gives the team full flexibility for adjusting censorship based on regional ratings board or publisher feedback

[eternal ravine]

Yeah it's pretty slick

[frail jolt]

it blows my mind

[eternal ravine]

Spotted Dick mode

[half oriole]

I only remember that dessert from King Ralph 🍿

[cerulean elk]

I am capturing the server to show pins in a video on how to patch and play these games...say hi everyone 🤣

[fiery hamlet]

Are we sure about that? I was under the impression the uncensored audio came from one of the preview builds and patched back in

[lament escarp]

Hi vge subs! Pls download pokemon dx violet from romhacking.net! K thx bye!

[cerulean elk]

lol you missed your window

[lament escarp]

Dang it.

[cerulean elk]

took less than 2 minutes...I call that a @zinc dew

[lament escarp]

Nah that's being smart. He sells the real ending as dlc.

[severe rock]

I woke up to this, so basically all games work now?

we have a "complete core" now, as far as the mister can do

[lament escarp]

Naboo and re2 are still crashing no?

[dawn halo]

yup

reportedly for PAL RE2 crashes a lot less

[worn delta]

Highly unlikely, best hope for that is when MiSTer 2 comes along and Robert goes back to the core he decides to do RTC support then, which he has already has said isn't going to be straight forward

[frail jolt]

@lament escarp and @dawn halo , supposedly tha PAL naboo is better too?

[lament escarp]

Better maybe, but now that I've tasted perfection with cbfd and jfg that isn't good enough anymore.

[frail jolt]

i mean.. i have 0 time to do any of this shit lol.. i spend 30 seconds a day adding the updated stuff to my MiSTer in hopes one day ill have time

between work and kids..... my fun is using my electric longboard...... to get to work

[zinc dew]

I’m not sure at all

Is the patch large? If it is then yeah it’s probably what you said.

[lament escarp]

But doesn't it feel fantastic that conker is waiting for you, perfect and pristine?

[frail jolt]

yes, becauase.. i used to have an Everdrive that would crash with Conker

so.. i never played more than like the initial frying pan section

one day

one day

[lament escarp]

Comparing mister to anything just isn't fair.

I feel like mister is "the good news" the religious types have been talking about since forever.

[zinc dew]

Oh wow the Everdrive would crash with Conker?

[mellow raft]

Older Everdrives didn't have the ability to emulate different CIC chips. You had to pick or choose one and solder the actual CIC onto the board (usually came with a specific one from factory and you could swap out if you wanted. Some later ones let you solder two different ones and swap between them with a toggle switch. It wasn't until v3 Everdrive 64 I think that the UltraCIC emulation chip became a thing which finally was a fanmade replication of the chips

64Drive had the UltraCIC before Everdrive IIRC

6102 was teh standard CIC chip usually soldered onto the Everdrive, which covered the rest of the library.

Then you have to pick one of these chips for your extra one you wanted to toggle the CIC for

Sadly you had to pick one, and none of them covered a majority.

So you often had to give up games you wanted to play

I didn't have an everdrive at this time but my friend did. My memory was a bit hazy hence I rewrote these messages

[half oriole]

if the latest one has "UltraCIC III" does that mean it will work?

[mellow raft]

Any ultraCIC will emulate the CIC chips as needed

So yes you don't need to worry if you have that

UltraCIC was a homebrew project to emulate the different CIC chips as the system requested them

effectively rendering the N64's security useless. Booting any game finally became possible with one cartridge

[half oriole]

That's great info. Thanks!

[mellow raft]

I believe, if you wanted, you could actually just buy the UltraCIC chip itself and solder it in-place onto an older Everdrive too @half oriole

https://www.aliexpress.com/i/2251832664834564.html

this listing seems to promote the name incorrectly. Pretty sure UltraCIC II also did more than just the 6202 and 7101 lol

[lone geyser]

Is there a quick and dirty fix for the Densha De Go translation not matching sync that doesn't involve changing files on my SD card?

Looks like I was able to get it with auto detect off by manually setting things how it autodetected but with NTSC instead of PAL

[fiery hamlet]

Not quite, the 6105 has an extra encryption challenge/response function that can't be done in software. The UltraCIC is just the 6102 with that challenge/response function enabled from 6105, later versions added the ability to auto switch between NTSC and PAL. The only games I'm aware of that use it are Banjo-Tooie, JFG (run and shoot get disabled), and Donkey Kong (for some malicious save wiping late game).

[mellow raft]

I recall my friend being unable to play Star Fox on his old Everdrive though due to his choice of CIC chip... Are you sure?

[fiery hamlet]

Quite, I ordered an early UltraCIC II to replace the original 6102 on my Everdrive V2.01 and had to explain it to the Chinese vendor on AliExpress. Star Fox uses 6101 which changes the entry point offset dynamically ( I want to say it adds 0x1000 to the offset in rom or something? I was thinking of 6103, I don't remember offhand what 6101/7102 did)

[cerulean elk]

Ignore. Wrong channel

[mellow raft]

Ah understood

hmmm... then how is the 64Drive able to play everything?

[fiery hamlet]

Depends on how you use it, afaik the menu uses 6102 and bootloader emu's like Everdrive or you can specify the CIC from the USB connection when you want to cold boot a single rom.

[fiery hamlet]

Summercart64 takes the same approach as 64Drive, different chip than what's utilized for the UltraCIC and more logic programming behind it I believe.

[mellow raft]

I see so it's not actually UltraCIC

It's an actual CIC emulator

[fiery hamlet]

Ah my 64Drive is HW2, didn't realize that wasn't on HW1

[mellow raft]

It's on HW1

just not working for Dev mode (USB-loading) on HW1

Better screenshot to explain

[mellow raft]

https://github.com/buu342/N64-UNFLoader Highly recommend UNFLoader by the way

the official 64Drive USB software is ... incomplete honestly

[fiery hamlet]

I read that as using the software bootloader emu, not the hardware CIC chip. HW1 came out before the reverse engineered CIC's I thought.

"The Zelda games contain the same code, though they manifest different errors when the test fails." Hmm, has anyone validated that the fishing minigame in OoT is working as expected? The N64 versions should have a piracy check that causes fish to always escape if it fails. I never found out if it's the 6105 challenge/response or this test.

[magic girder]

Fishing mini game worked for me 🙂

And I caught a fish!

[mellow raft]

Ah... nah it's saying, when you send a rom over the USB, you can add a flag to tell the N64 what CIC mode to load into... but that's not supported on HW1 revision

Since technically the CIC chip isn't a part of the rom itself, I can't recall if it can autodetect that. Been a while

https://github.com/buu342/N64-UNFLoader/issues/40

Ah whoops it did add that feature because I asked for it xD

my memory sucks lol

[frail jolt]

Everyone gave you a way better response than I could have dreamed of.... but yes... early adopter issues

I remember the excitement for the sd2snes cart when people just happen to figure out how to write an fpga superFX CHIP....

It was an expaive cart thst sat dormant for like 5 years...then our of no where.. every game worked.....

I'd bet mister had something 5o do with it.. but I didn't know much about the mister until about 2 3 years ago...but I'd bet the time the cart got superFX foga support is probably around when mister snes started getting finalized ...... I may research this

Both things occurred circa 2018... so there is a good chance it wasn't just a fun coincidence

[zinc dew]

Wow, that’s cool history

Thank you for sharing!

[mellow raft]

Supaslicer isn't wrong

The Everdrive 64's were kind of in a broken state for a long time

[zinc dew]

Makes me feel like a super late comer to the MiSTer with getting one in 2022 lol

[mellow raft]

It wasn't until the X7's that it became a complete cart iirc

or one of the X lines iirc

Been a while

2018 was when SD2SNES got Super FX

so yeah it was around the time the MiSTer was brewing iirc

I was deep into that community at the time tbh... haha.

[zinc dew]

I’ve always wanted a flash cart but I never bought one

[eternal ravine]

You have never owned ANY flash cart?

[zinc dew]

Nope, I just bought the games instead

Ok I had a DS flash cart but that was for game development lol, company bought those instead of getting official Nintendo ones which cost like 10x the price

[latent dagger]

Only flash cart I own is also for the DS

it's an R4 Gold

I used it to hack and install CFW on my 3DS

[frail jolt]

Honestly... since building my mister

Sold all my analog consoles

Sold all my original systems (if I didn't own then during their respective generation)

Sold all my flash carts if I Sold the system.......so only have a nes flash cart and an atari 2600 harmony cart...

Tldr... with a mister, I don't see an advantage of owning multicarts ir even the original hardware

To me... it comes down to the controller.... if I can use an original controller ...thsrs all I need

The MISTer was a perfect solution

[mellow raft]

I spent too much money on hardware mods and the like haha

[frail jolt]

Yuppppppppp

I was lucky..the analog systems I sold during a dark period...so I made my money back.....and on my analog nt noi I made a profit of like 2x original price paid

[mellow raft]

I gotta wipe it. Haven't used it in a bit haha

[frail jolt]

Someone drew all over it btw lol

I'm still trying to sell ny n64... but the. Consoled sell for pennies

I neverowned as a kiddo

[lament escarp]

I had an extremely hard time getting the biggest fish as adult link. If it's a piracy check that would make sense. As kid link it was manageable though, so could be I just suck.

[zinc dew]

Anyone beaten Jet Force Gemini on the core yet?

[strange copper]

Got to level 2 with no problems but still need to play the rest

[mellow raft]

https://tenor.com/view/charles-martinet-gif-14654960150152418714

yeah that someone being this guy ^

[frail jolt]

Nice ....that's awesome

[mellow raft]

really cool dude haha

[wanton sun]

yes, but for Zelda there is actually a very simple "hack": if you always deliver the rsp clock register as zero, the check will also pass

[mellow raft]

I don't wanna frame it. I plan to keep it. N64 was my childhood console

[frail jolt]

That's amazing.. I couldn't really read what was on it and was hoping you'd explain it...

I knew it was someone video game world... or like 'it was a going away present from my friends"

But super cool..I'd say frame it tbh

Especially if you have like q game room or something

[mellow raft]

I may take the case off and put a replacement case possibly yeah, if I decide to sell the N64 especially

But I don't think I'll sell it

[frail jolt]

Nah...keep it intact

[mellow raft]

I was asking around for a long time. I want to find a chemical I can use to protect the sharpie. When hot, it can smear

[frail jolt]

And use the mister for games...frame it with like your top 4 games at each corner

Sell the rest

[mellow raft]

But chemicals on plastics this old can lead to discoloration, so I'm not sure what's safe longterm

[frail jolt]

What about like a clear coat

See if a pro can do it

[mellow raft]

I'd need to know specific ones to get. Some clear coats I've read lead the paint to kind of turn into a dotted sludge

Some chemical reaction that can occur

[frail jolt]

Hnmmmm

Get another 64... sharpie and test lol

[mellow raft]

Not an N64, but this is what can happen:

I've seen pictures of N64's this occurred to using the wrong kind of coating

[frail jolt]

That corrosion look?

[mellow raft]

Yeah I mean, if it didn't have signatures I wouldn't worry as much, but the last thing I want is to ruin it

I don't have any experience with paints and don't know what to look for

also don't have money so would rather not spend oodles of cash to have it professionally done

I may not have the knowledge but I am not bad at preparing to do something right the first time when I know how 😛

[strange copper]

You'd want something meant for use on plastic, I think the reaction can happen with clearcoats designed for use on other types of surfaces

[mellow raft]

I see. I appreciate the insight.

[strange copper]

It would be smart to get a piece of similar plastic (I think it's supposed to be ABS plastic?), put some silver sharpie on it, and test the clearcoat on that to see how it would end up looking on your console

[spiral garnet]

You just need a clear coat that says plastics on the can, mask a square inside the console shell to test. The reactions is when you mix a base colour with a different type of clear like acrylic then a 2k clear.

Welcome to another hobby.

[strange copper]

This guy clearcoats

[mellow raft]

I appreciate it haha

[cerulean elk]

Two people have DM’d me saying they did it. One is a JFG speed runner. Worked as expected

[daring meteor]

I mean if they're a speedrunner they finish it quick so there's less possibility for bugs

[cerulean elk]

Just meant the behavior is close enough to hardware for them to be able to replicate performances

I saw someone use a Mega SG at SGDQ last night. Should have been a MiSTer

[daring meteor]

Yeah I was mostly meming

[cerulean elk]

Haha can never tell

I mean I don’t get crashes in RE 2 any campaign but I mostly run past everything I can so it’s possible I don’t get crashes cause I’m cheesing shit

[zinc dew]

Anyone try this Ocarina of Time romhack on the core?
https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/8640/

[mellow raft]

Sounds difficult!

https://tenor.com/view/eh-no-ehno-fifidonia-minions-gif-18960235

[cerulean elk]

Patch it and try

[languid dune]

Still waiting!

[zinc dew]

omg ok

[languid dune]

Hey, it's survival horror, you're supposed to run past stuff! It's not an action game!

[zinc dew]

was updating mario kart amped up and smash remix too

[languid dune]

How recent are those updates?

Come on Robby! I'm waiting for my answer! Chop chop!

[cerulean elk]

fast in the bedroom, slow on the discord

[languid dune]

Almost time!

[cerulean elk]

he's just gonna say somehing about Pi

[zinc dew]

Smash Remix 1.5.2 (4/24) and Mario Kart Amped Up 2.9A (6/17)

omg

[languid dune]

He delivered! A shame it took sooooo long.

[cerulean elk]

were waiting for OCARINA...ugh

[languid dune]

Those were the two longest minutes of my life.

[cerulean elk]

"things you hear a lot for $1000 Alex"

[languid dune]

The bait worked! Gottem!

[zinc dew]

@languid dune + @cerulean elk IT WORKS U JABRONIS

Ultimate Trial

[cerulean elk]

ok capture and send me the video then we can call it a day

or just slide it into my DMs so I can be lazy and not patch 🤣

[zinc dew]

I don’t have a capture device lol

I ain’t Mr fancy Hollywood over here like YOU

“Oh look at me, I teach snowboarding and I film videos, wowwweeee zoweeeee”

[languid dune]

Another person to send a capture device to Awbacon. Time to get mailing that stuff!

[zinc dew]

“Hey guys look at my cool sunglasses. WOW I love arcade machines”

THAT’S YOU Video Game Jabroni

[languid dune]

https://youtu.be/xKzFZcyYyKY?si=nyuZ-K90syDqmJuI

[zinc dew]

lol

I forgot they said that

[languid dune]

You've been playing too much Mario Wonder!

[strange copper]

Stupid sexy VGE!

[kind solar]

feels like i'm playing on real hardware

[cerulean elk]

even got the colors right!

[drowsy lantern]

I created a Git ticket for the crackling sound in Conker, PD and JFG: https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/N64_MiSTer/issues/12

@cerulean elk since you have good direct-feed recording equipment, I was wondering if you could provide example recordings of the crackling sound? My phone captures don't do it justice at all.

[cerulean elk]

I think FPGAZumSpass already knows the cause and potential solution?

[worn delta]

Thanks for adding in the ticket, everything should be added into GitHub going forward. We really shouldn't be relying on people's memories and comments on spreadsheets for issues in any cores in Main. Also it should be a resource for all issues in the core for someone coming to the core so the status of everything is clearly documented.

[drowsy lantern]

Yes but he also said he would not be looking into it himself, so I figure it would be nice to have it documented for whomever will maybe one day tackle this.

[cerulean elk]

Ahh. Let me look at my captures at some point

[zinc dew]

This is a really great point and you’re right.

If you find a bug then report it here: https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/N64_MiSTer/issues

[magic girder]

Make me

[zinc dew]

I cannot force anyone down the path of light. I can only open the door and encourage you. Our free will is what defines us and to take that choice away binds us.

[magic girder]

What’s that from? 😅

Seems familiar…

[zinc dew]

I dunno, I just made up

[magic girder]

The Book of @zinc dew

[zinc dew]

Being good is only worthy of praise if being evil is also an option.

We exist in both worlds because it’s a necessary function of our free will. There is no shadow without light.

[magic girder]

That sounds like a line from Twin Peaks

Except perhaps too easy to understand

[worn delta]

Thanks Robby. It would be great if we can do a group push to get all the issues mentioned here, and in various spreadsheets, added into GitHub so they are all tracked properly in one place. Also means for workarounds we can add notes and links there that we can direct people to easily, like these recent patches.

We all did a great job testing during the development phase, but we dropped the ball getting everything written up properly when the core went into Main.

[languid dune]

That's deep. 🥹

[cerulean elk]

Easy there Jim Jones

[worn delta]

A good example of something that should be added to GitHub is that Majora's Mask telescope bug that someone got videos of, that will be buried in here somewhere

[mellow raft]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-light-mode-light-mode-ansem-sod-ansem-kingdom-hearts-gif-27101417

[weary beacon]

Thanks for reporting. It's a little distracting in PD

[empty cliff]

games games

[fair stump]

If I wanted to open git issues for all the noted issues with games from the Google doc should I double check with anyone here to reconfirm before submitting them?

[worn delta]

They should be up to date, as there haven't been any new builds since the issues were all noted. You should be good to add and if any are actually fixed they can be updated or closed

Great effort if you are able to get them added, if you post them here maybe people can feed in more info if needed

Be good to get the Majora's Mask telescope bug added as well if someone who isn't on their phone is able to dig out the videos that were posted showing it in core and on OG hardware

[broken creek]

Oh I’m not crazy. I thought it was my DAC/amp/speakers making the crackling.

[cold pollen]

So is patched Conker 100% completable?

[zinc dew]

[fair stump]

So just double checking some of these issues before posting to github and looking for real console footage and it just so happens that @weary perch themselves had posted the tooie attract video to youtube 5 years ago 😆

And was the one who helped report it here

[fair stump]

Do you know what the best practice is for submitting repeat issues? Like there's already an issue for crackling audio so I added a comment naming all games experiencing this. For games running fast should that be one issue or one issue per game?

[worn delta]

If it appears to be the same issue on multiple games, and there is an issue already, then I would say OK to add comments

[fair stump]

Sounds good to me. I would just be afraid it would reduce visibility on which games have issues but I also don't want to unnecessarily flood the tracker

[jolly canyon]

does anyone know if that "mario maker 64" romhacks works on the MiSTer?
i think i read somewhere it requires some weird SD card access and wont play, but maybe theres something new to get them working??

[modest helm]

I’d make a list of all the games affected in a single post that suffer from the same issue i.e. attract mode runs too fast. You can edit the issue on GitHub too so no need to get it perfect on the 1st draft

[fair stump]

I added issues for attract modes running too fast, gameplay too fast, and RE 2 crashing

I'll take a break for now. Takes more time than you would think 😆

Lots of tiny little issues to make sure get transferred over

[worn delta]

Thanks for picking this up, great to get the issues logged properly

[strange copper]

It will give you that message when you load the rom but you can still get in and play around with it - the trouble is accessing other people's content + exporting your own (you can't)

[wanton sun]

i don't know the cause of it, just theories. If anyone could capture the audio samples digitally, that would certainly help. Especially to know if it comes from samples being "0"

also a reproducible way to get them without having to wait for minutes each time

[hasty musk]

Is the Pal conker patch Not uncut?

Just asking because im not at home.

[latent hatch]

Is Gauntlet Legends still not working?

[weary perch]

it randomly crashes (very randomly) and the voice samples don't work

if you get lucky you can play for quite a while, but i've also had it crash almost immediately, or even watching the attract mode

ares has a similar issue with that game

[lament escarp]

Gauntlet isn't a good game that needs to be fixed until naboo and resi2 are fixed.

There's a hierarchy.

[lament escarp]

True

[sullen harbor]

How does one capture audio signals digitally?
Like from a capture card?

[fair stump]

I created an issue for Conker's crashing and would like to include the bps patch for anyone that is searching for it but the site won't let me upload that file type. Is it ok to link to the discord message or is there somewhere else that should host it, like Archive, that can be linked to?

[solid crest]

The most up to date and complete set of compatibility patches are hosted here:

https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?t=8078

[fair stump]

awesome, thank you!

[fair stump]

I've added individual issues for nearly all the games with major crashing issue if anyone feels like double checking my work. I figured it gives each better visibility and they each would have their own solutions. I'll probably wait on flooding the tracker with the smaller items in case I need to adjust how I've done things so far and do better going forward

[weary perch]

added another for Rugrats in Paris

thanks for taking the time to draft up those issues @fair stump

i left some comments on a few with more info

[wanton sun]

i thought Gauntlet works on the Turbo core at least? Would point to a random performance-not-high-enough issue

[weary perch]

i personally had not encountered any reports that gauntlet works on the turbo core. i don't recall if i tested it or not, though

if i had seen a report of that, i'd have added it to my workarounds

i seem to vaguely recall testing it and still getting a crash, but it's been months now

alright, doing a discord search (which is miserable), I see there were rumblings about Gauntlet working on the turbo core

where did you get the info that Gauntlet works on turbo, is that your testing or did you get it from someone else?

at any rate, i'm going to boot it up on the turbo core and let it run in the background for a few hours and see if it hangs in there or not

far as i can tell i didn't test it on the turbo core, but discord search sucks so bad i can't be sure lol

never made notes for turbo core testing other than what's on my workarounds sheet

[fair stump]

I thought the general idea was ignore the turbo core for testing

Could be fine for making notes on just these crashes though

[ivory laurel]

I think there are a few VGE videos on stuff that works on the turbo core

[worn delta]

Good thing about getting these added is they can be retested and issue updated with more info, so this is all positive

[languid dune]

I've heard that Gauntlet works on turbo as well. Haven't tried it myself though.

[hidden bolt]

Here is a patch for Resident Evil 2 (v1.1 NTSC) for those who want to test. I added a delay of about 16k cycles every time the main cpu unhalts the RSP. This probably could be less but it seems like a pretty safe number for now.

On the third screen with the burning car after a new game there is a pretty consistent crash when the third zombie enters the screen (on both regular and turbo core). With this patch I haven't been able to crash the game there yet. I have only gotten to the second save point in the police station so there may still be some more crashes lurking.

[wanton sun]

how do you even come up with such a change?

i mean, what was the motivation to add a wait time there?

i would like to understand your way of thinking about it, maybe this would help me in future projects or debugging sessions 🙂

[hidden bolt]

On this core the problem is most likely with PI DMA's or RSP DMA's so first I tried to add a wait after the PI DMA, which didn't work. So then I tried the same after the RSP DMA from the cpu side which didn't work either. The RSP can also do DMA's itself, so halting to cpu for a bit right after the RSP resumes made sense to me.

[wanton sun]

Great, thank you!

and yes, all RDRAM accesses are potential sources of inaccuracies

[weary perch]

Ruleset just casually dropping magic

many thanks, will try this out later

[cerulean elk]

Ive never had any issues

[weary perch]

how much would you estimate you've played? full playthru?

[cerulean elk]

its like he pulls these out of thin air

[weary perch]

i thought the era of getting my mind blown by the mister n64 core was over, but nope 😄

these patches are

[wanton sun]

indeed 🙂

[weary perch]

i've got gauntlet legends looping attract mode on turbo core for the last little bit, running stable so far

i was able to play for like an hour and a half with no crashes in 3-player mode months ago, so even on the vanilla core sometimes you can get lucky and the game stays stable for long periods

[cerulean elk]

Ive finished Legends on Turbo. Just normally worked

[weary perch]

still weird with the voices, i think it's the only game that actually is missing some audio

great info, thanks @cerulean elk

adding to my workarounds page and the github as a little note

[cerulean elk]

but I have also never managed to crash RE 2 either so....odd one out? lol

[weary perch]

RE2 is pretty random too, i had one crash in the gun shop and then played for hours afterward without a crash on NTSC, then had a few more in the room where you get ambushed by dogs breaking through the windows (glass breaking seems to be a pain point)

excited to try this patch

[hidden bolt]

I have found that the third screen after a new game with the burning car is a pretty guaranteed way to crash the game if you stand there long enough. Not killing any zombies.

[cerulean elk]

This is where my "run past everything" strat is handy haha

[hasty musk]

@hidden bolt is conker pal uncut?

[cerulean elk]

no he's circumcised

🤣

[hidden bolt]

there is no uncensored pal conker as far as I know

[languid dune]

The Ruleset magic continues!?

[wanton sun]

i have a savestate for gauntlet before the main menu where the voices are not broken ingame. But i never tested if that lasts forever or will break again

in case someone really wants these muffled voices 🙂

[weary perch]

how were you able to get that savestate with working voices?

[wanton sun]

from my emulator

there must be a bug (or maybe ram timing again) in the core that breaks the voice handling at the very beginning of the game starting up

[weary perch]

very interesting

i'd like the savestate if no one else does 😄

[wanton sun]

gauntlet has very special audio handling in the rsp

[magic girder]

My information comes only from @cerulean elk’s videos

[languid dune]

I also get most of my information from the book of bacon. 🙏 🥓

[cerulean elk]

I played Gauntlet. I beat gauntlet. Thats my testing lol

[magic girder]

Except when he clearly lies to us for all those YouTube views 😒

(Kidding)

[cerulean elk]

working = can see the credits scroll with no crash

[cerulean elk]

oh yeah Gauntlet brings in the views 🤣

[magic girder]

That’s more testing than I’ve done

[languid dune]

Almost as many views as the shmup videos!

[cerulean elk]

I will run an update on the RE vid...show the patch, how to install it, that it may be useful for some

[cerulean elk]

I am about ready to bring Unported out back and old yeller it if it keeps dogging the views

[magic girder]

In the VO it might be worth mentioning that the same method applies for CBFD and JFG

And maybe that CBFD uncensored is a combined patch for retail, since that seems to keep tripping people up

But I won’t tell you how to do your job!

[languid dune]

You can replace it with a new Playdate series.

[fair stump]

Or pico 8

[magic girder]

Pico 8 is amazing

[cerulean elk]

I am trying a diff arcade idea

I dont want to remove arcade from the channel but its lagging behind everything else unless its rare hardware or dumps

[magic girder]

I’d really love for a pico-8 like fantasy console for the MiSTer, complete with operating system etc

(Not just being able to play the games)

[dawn halo]

One place where I had a seriously consistent crash is where the ivies appeared in the lab where the shutters open as Claire.

basically if I didn't set a timing delay in the menu, I believe it was, I'd crash there just about every single time on the turbo core

also, on the fight against Birkin on the turn table, as soon as the fight starts, if I take a step or two, face Birkin, fire the spark shot a bunch of times, very high likelihood of crash. But the shutters where the ivies appear is really consistent for me

[hidden bolt]

Can you easily test if it still crashes there with this patch?

[dawn halo]

Yeah I have a save point, I can definitely boot that up after work today and test it in a jiffy

[hidden bolt]

thanks

[dawn halo]

thank you for your work!

[magic girder]

Mahjong next, @hidden bolt? 😉

(Can’t believe you didn’t prioritise that one!)

[latent hatch]

Then why did we bother with Conker first???

[hidden bolt]

I am about as unfamiliar with that game as with the naboo game, so maybe🙂

[magic girder]

I’d love an alternate reality where Mahjong came first and kinda forced @cerulean elk to make a video about it because it was the first of the fixed games 😂

[magic girder]

No pressure at all. I was just kidding. Thanks so much for your work so far!

[lament escarp]

Conker is bae.

Also resi2 working? Wtf ruleset you legend.

[cerulean elk]

never 🤣

editing RE vid now. For tomorrow at 4. Views might not be great but meh

[magic girder]

I appreciate it even if the rest of YouTube hasn’t caught on yet!

[latent hatch]

It'd be pretty amazing if this work eventually led to a patch that fixes Perfect Dark from crashing in 3 player multiplayer on... Car Park was it?

[cerulean elk]

fun to make

[weary perch]

oh i wasn't even aware of a PD crashing issue on retail

[latent hatch]

Yep, it does

Only a specific level on 3 player

[weary perch]

so, only in 3P on the parking garage stage?

[jolly canyon]

It would be amazing if someone could get this working on the MiSTer. It’s such a big deal to be able to play custom levels of mario64. That’s the whole point of using the romhack (playing peoples levels)

[weary perch]

very strange

[latent hatch]

I forgot if it's Parking Garage or another level

[weary perch]

good info, though, thanks for mentioning

which version did you experience that on DrewBA77?

[spare meadow]

Yes, it works just great! Just test it with vanilla and turbo core. Also, i did a test with a save file at the end of the game with Leon A. Its always frozen when I battle the second form of the last boss. Now I beat him twice 😀. Thank you so much

[weary perch]

iirc Car Park is an unlockable so i might need to dig out a save if that is indeed the stage that crashes

[strange copper]

Agreed, it would be awesome - I believe that romhack was created for a specific emulator in mind that has some kind of SD card-reading functionality (and internet connectivity?) to it, that's how the maps get shared. So that would need to be integrated somehow, it will take another wizard for sure

[latent hatch]

I don't remember. It was a known issue back when. I also experienced it when I rented the game in 2000. May have been Warehouse.

[weary perch]

oh, so a real hardware issue

an actual bug in the game

i gotcha

[hidden bolt]

that is great! thank you for testing

[weary perch]

this is actually fixed contemporaneously

it's not a stage, but Challenge 07

https://github.com/n64decomp/perfect_dark/blob/master/docs/challenge7bug.md

1.1 / Rev 1 fixes the crash

[latent hatch]

https://www.reddit.com/r/perfectdark/s/GVZd5PPXnL

Looks like it got fixed on cart in 1.1

[spare meadow]

Don’t know if it was expected, but seens to me that the slowdown at beginning of the game is better now too (vanilla core). On turbo core, seens like its gone

[weary perch]

dang, that's awesome

[hidden bolt]

That is interesting, not sure why that would be.

[weary perch]

there've been some reports that naboo is stable on PAL

Rugrats in Paris and Polaris SnoCross both crash in all versions and turbo doesn't help, but honestly polaris is mid and rugrats is sub-mid

i enjoy polaris alright, but rugrats i actively dislike

[magic girder]

Naboo is an N64 console exclusive, right?

[silent marten]

@vapid hawk

[weary perch]

even the mahjong game works with turbo or just by removing the controller pak

not that anyone actually cares about that game here lol

[lament escarp]

Oh Freddo is gonna love this

[magic girder]

#SaveMahjong

[silent marten]

Why do you think I summoned him xD

[weary perch]

compatibility when considering the regional workarounds, turbo mode workarounds, and patches now, it is rather close to complete

very satisfying stuff to see more games working well

[wanton sun]

i was never sure the core would even play half the games fine when i started, so needing some workaround, given the limitation we have, is fine from my side

[weary perch]

wow, it really is just Polaris and Rugrats now that have no workarounds or working regional variants

just looking through the lists

[magic girder]

Are you excited to play any of the patched games yourself? 🙂

[wanton sun]

jfg, yes

[weary perch]

both Rugrats and Polaris do have PS1 versions, though!!

[wanton sun]

but i will wait until someone completes jfg with the turbo core. standard core is unplayable for me these days

(in this game)

[magic girder]

I didn’t notice a particularly bad frame rate, but I only played the first few levels so far and maybe I’m not sensitive to it 😅

[weary perch]

other than games which crash, Batman Beyond only sorta-kinda works because it runs at warp speed

[cerulean elk]

Oh...Ive done that lol

go play now

[wanton sun]

you never have found all the little bears since it is patched, i don't trust you!

[cerulean elk]

I slogged through it while my wife was doing holiday prep this week

[vapid hawk]

Re2 now as well? Amazing thanks @hidden bolt this is a personal fave

[cerulean elk]

haha guide for the win

[weary perch]

Blues Brothers 2000 hypothetically is not completable due to some timing issues, and given the issue is it runs too fast, Turbo might not help (i quite dislike that game so i've barely tested it)

but we're really scraping the bottom of the barrel here

[lament escarp]

Iirc you mentioned during the n64 core development you gonna play through resi2 every day for testing purposes. Nows your time to shine. 😅

[vapid hawk]

i'll be firing it up later for sure, though i was already able to finish it on older cores

i've got saves that have reliableish hangs i can test

[lament escarp]

So conker was conquered, jet force gemini was jurry rigged and the evil resident evicted. Can we now finally all agree that battle for naboo is a great(ish) game? 🙃

[vapid hawk]

i'm not the best tester for this though since i'm usually doing the speedrun route, you probably need to go everywhere and kill everything with the silliest guns like the taser+flamethrower to prove it

[spare meadow]

@hidden bolt , do you plan to release a RE 2 patch for the other version (USA 1.0) and regions too (europe and japan) too?

[hidden bolt]

pal and jp yes, is there a reason to do 1.0?

[vapid hawk]

is it 1.0 they use for speedrunning or anything?

[lament escarp]

Some testing on the current patch may be prudent before putting more work into other versions, in case something needs tweaking, no?

[hidden bolt]

yeah i´ll give it a couple of days

[vapid hawk]

a full clear of re2 takes quite a while, you have to play it 4 times really

[weary perch]

just doing some more poking around through my sheets, and games left with major issues and no effective workarounds seems to be just this:

1. Batman Beyond (runs at 2x speed)
2. Blues Brothers 2000 (timing issues prevent progressing past a particular section)
3. DDR: Disney Dancing Museum (relatively minor timing issues, but given this is a rhythm game, it does have a major impact)
4. Rugrats in Paris (randomly crashes once or twice an hour)
5. Polaris SnoCross (randomly crashes a lot)

Then just a few games that run too fast like WCW Nitro, but are semi-playable, and Waiealae Country Club which plays fine except for saving doesn't work

[cerulean elk]

Id try running it again but I dunno if its get any diff result than I already did

[languid dune]

When I see a mogwai in that game, I gun it down. They deserve it!

[cerulean elk]

they are just bootleg Gremlins

[weary perch]

if the reports that Naboo doesn't crash on PAL are true, then most of the stuff that's left with no workarounds is... forgettable lol

i guess Blues Brothers 2000 is an exclusive...

if you need that Titus fix

[languid dune]

In all seriousness, I got the true ending in Jet Force Gemini once back in the day on my N64. Never again. Any time I play the game these days, I really do just gun those things down and then Youtube the final boss/ending.

[chrome quest]

I was the PAL Naboo player I think, unless others get a chance. IIRC I got to the crashing level, but didn't go further. Need to load it up and play a bit more

[cerulean elk]

as one should

[weary perch]

if you mean level 3, that's just the first spot i had it crash on me

[cerulean elk]

because no I didnt collect all the furry idiots

[weary perch]

it seems pretty random

[lament escarp]

While I admit that resi2 is the best game that was still crashing, the most important one was ||conker||

[languid dune]

JFG is probably my least favorite Rare game on the N64. Doesn't mean it's a bad game, but it's easily my least favorite of theirs on the console.

[chrome quest]

Ahh. In that case, don't count on PAL being the fix there yet so for Naboo.

[weary perch]

but at any rate it's pretty tough to prove a negative especially when the crashes are rare

gotta test quite a bit

i thought RE2 PAL was rock solid but fabrisco did eventually have a few after several playthrus

[cerulean elk]

none of my "testing" involves 100%ing anything

[weary perch]

one thing i did notice about Naboo is it never crashed for me on attract mode

only when i actually played the game

[languid dune]

I rarely ever 100% any game these days. Even modern releases. I just don't have the patience for it.

[weary perch]

that was NTSC tho

[lament escarp]

Everyone just flip a coin, heads is leon and tails is claire and finish the compaign. That way we should get a 50:50 coverage on both and cover most cases. ☝️

[weary perch]

well, just tested Gauntlet Legends USA on the turbo core and it crashed within a few minutes

so i don't think that's a workaround

didn't touch anything, just let it loop attract mode for a little bit

i've also played the game for at least 90 minutes straight with no issues before so i know that one is quite random and sporadic, but it definitely can still crash on the turbo core

[cerulean elk]

I will try to play Claire this weekend if I have time

I did way more Leon capture and testing and just ran Claire quick once

[rich warren]

RE 2 does have some built in codes for invincibility and infinite ammo if people want to safely waste every enemy

for test purposes

[magic girder]

What if the game only crashes on the “you died” screen?

[rich warren]

Remember to use those ink ribbons!

[cerulean elk]

That was my advice in tomorrows video. That and “don’t blow your hand off with fireworks like Leon blows zombies heads off with a shotgun”

Whole lotta people out there today spending their last day with both hands 🤣

[oblique remnant]

forgot that Jet Force Gemini had a Widescreen Mode. Looks nice when setting the Core to Full Screen

[latent dagger]

Audacity

[worn delta]

I think you would need a digital audio in on your computer soundcard, optical AKA Toslink and run from the optical out on the digital iO board.

[latent dagger]

It's a capture card though?

It's already sending audio digitally through either USB or PCIe (depending on the type of card)

You just need software

[worn delta]

Only way you can get digital audio out of MiSTer is via HDMI or Toslink, so yeah you could do it with an HDMI capture card

[cerulean elk]

Just slap the hdmi into the capture card and record with your software of choice really

[lament escarp]

So record the audio crackle in conker and provide it to Robert for research.

[cerulean elk]

Too busy batching Jell-O shots haha

[lament escarp]

You dang colonist!

[cerulean elk]

I’m off the clock til Friday and that’s only if something extra cool happens and I want to do a video on it. Otherwise four day weekend

[severe rock]

I can't believe someone bothered to fix RE2

more power to you folks I guess

there is only that naboo game left then

[lament escarp]

Does naboo count? Does gauntlet count?

[cerulean elk]

Nope haha. They can wait til Monday

Nintendo has to sue someone new or some new core needs to appear out of nowhere

[lament escarp]

Let's have a "nintendo sues vge" crossover!

[cerulean elk]

Lol I’d have to do something to then first

But that would be a great series. I could defend myself

[fair stump]

Which would he dislike more, being sued by nintendo or having them steal footage he's recorded without crediting

[cerulean elk]

Stolen footage. No fun in that

VGE is always looking for stolen camera footage 🤣

[magic girder]

OBJECTION!

[cerulean elk]

Haha I have said that in court before. I’ve actually defended myself in three separate lawsuits. I’m batting 1000

Real lawyers zero, bedroom lawyer 3 baby

[magic girder]

If something stinks it’s usually the… Bacon?

[fair stump]

All the sudden we see a cat pencil topper in a nintendo direct

[cerulean elk]

Cat pen would be co-council

[lament escarp]

Pls do it like that orange man.

[magic girder]

Cat pen is the real mastermind

[cerulean elk]

VGE alt careers: armchair lawyer and unlicensed accountant

[lament escarp]

Did you bring pepsiman to court to charm the jury?

[cerulean elk]

haha no...I was just right

not hard to win if the other side are idiots

[lament escarp]

Rigged. It was a rigged trial by a rigged jury. Very unfair. Most legal scholar say warfare. They said: Sir, nobody has ever been accused of such unfair things!

[cerulean elk]

the easiest was being sued by a business partner / co-creator who wanted full payment when they didnt finish half the work by a set date..."can you please read the following clause"...."if all work is not complete by DATE..."...."can you please read the following highlighted line from this email"...."I wont be able to hit X date. I am only half way through"

judge "can you please explain to me why this case made it this far" to the dudes lawyer 🤣

[lament escarp]

Better call sau- I mean vge.

[tidal zenith]

@jolly turret if I tag you here, can you reply?

[zinc dew]

oh shit you can do that

[raw oriole]

Sorry guys, just experimenting... @jolly turret try posting again?

Those three were Today's Unlucky Fans

[vapid hawk]

re2: got to the start of labs without any crashes

[zinc dew]

BRB trying to figure out how to kick @cerulean elk from this thread

[cerulean elk]

Lol what did I miss

[raw oriole]

The thread filled up again

[cerulean elk]

You finally admit you are just three fat babies in a trench coat?

[zinc dew]

I found out you can kick people from threads

[zinc dew]

I’ll never admit that!

I mean maybe

[jolly turret]

It works now, thanks!

[jolly turret]

Someone was asking about recording audio from Conker earlier. I have a semi-pro audio interface and a toslink cable and know how to record audio correctly without messing anything up. Most HDMI capture cards seem to be anything but linear and can cause all kinds of different distortions.

I'm going to set-up my Mister this weekend. If everything works out, which it should, I can make recordings if someone tells me what needs to be done exactly.

[languid dune]

I'm scared! Don't remove me!

[mortal panther]

To be honest, I completely forgot this was a thread. 😄

[latent hatch]

Why does audio need to be recorded?

[worn delta]

A request from Robert to help track down the cause of the audio pops

[jolly turret]

I messaged him about it

[spare meadow]

Just finish RE 2 (patched) - Leon A campaign - without a single freeze (turbo core). I used the flamethrower a lot at the laboratory (always freeze before the patch) and everything was perfect. Now I will play Claire B campaign. Thanks a lot @hidden bolt to make this possible.

[drowsy lantern]

Only 3 saves? My gawd you master that game! 😂

[fair stump]

So patched + turbo looking good. Have you tried on the standard core?

[spare meadow]

Only a few points where the game always froze for me before (at the beginning and end the end). Work flawless now

[zinc dew]

RE2 was patched? 🤯

[spare meadow]

To tell you the truth, don’t know if there’s a difference between them but I would be glad to find out if a patch v1.0 became available 😀 (not a priority, I know)

[zinc dew]

What other games besides Gauntlet Legends and Resident Evil 2 should be run on the Turbo core?

[vapid hawk]

re2 (with the patch) works ok on the regular core too afaik

thats what i've been testing anyway

[cerulean elk]

Ok I played three hours of Claire’s campaign. No issues. But that’s what I encountered pre patch so my results are kinda useless 😂 won’t have time to check anything else til after the holiday

[turbid warren]

what do you MEAN there's a patch for RE2 now??? holy cow N64 core is nearly complete now

[zinc dew]

I added it to the pinned comments

[spare meadow]

Can anyone confirm is this “phantom item box” in RE 2 appearance occurring in the real hardware too? Claire B. (USA and Europe roms). Seems like a bug to me

[zenith maple]

I think the game Knife Edge runs at super-speed too.

[paper orchid]

Can't speak for real hardware, but just looking through a longplay that glitchy bit isn't there

...oh huh. Someone I know has a run but I don't know if they ran on hardware

[wanton sun]

looks like a texture bug

haven't seen one in a long time, so i'm not sure if it's really RDP or just data loaded in wrong

[paper orchid]

https://youtu.be/XyJxCSIB_G0?si=6ptpw-csFcUN4cVP&t=1698 Here's a speedrunner going through btw, according to their video description it's on real hardware (so probably a suitable source to compare against)

[cerulean elk]

Well that was funny

Kool-Aid manning cash and prizes through the wall with him

[worn delta]

Good spot, are you able to log a GitHub issue?

[spare meadow]

I would like to do that but unfortunately my English isn’t good enough 😔 Hope someone can do that. I have a save file if it need

[broken creek]

It’s better than many native English speakers.

[paper orchid]

IIRC you can edit Github issues as well

(it's been a bit since I worked with it, everything's Azure with my company rofl)

Worst case you could have a go, have someone give it a lookover and maybe suggest some changes

[dawn halo]

Ok, got a chance to test with turbo core. Did at least 3x with expansion pack enabled (480i) at the part where shutter opens and ivies appeared...no crash. Stuck around and fought the plants/lickers right afterwords. No crash. Did 3x without expansion pack in same area, no crash. Same for the Birkin fight on the turn table. No crashes! Thank you!

[latent dagger]

I'm not sure I'm actually seeing it in this video and I slowed it down to .25x speed

If it is there, it's somehow less pronounced visually and doesn't last as long of frames

[dawn halo]

Yeah I don't think it's there

[paper orchid]

So rephrasing: according to that speedrunner that video was taken on real hardware

Comparing the two, the speedrunner (real hardware) doesn't appear to have that same visual issue compared to what was recorded on the MiSTer

[dawn halo]

If you reload the save and try again is it reproducing? Would be interesting to see if it's a one time or inconsistent glitch. I will go through Claire B this weekend and see if that's the case.

[paper orchid]

Video compression probably doesn't help here

Apologies for the lack of clarity there in my comment

[spare meadow]

Thanks😀

[versed cairn]

Are you able to share the save here? I could do a look on my mister and real hardware

[spare meadow]

Just finished Claire B (patched RE 2 - Turbo core) Not a single freeze/crash. Everything is perfect !

[spare meadow]

Yes, it happens every single time at the same spot. USA and Pal version

[spare meadow]

Sure. Give me a minute

[spare meadow]

Here it is. Look for the save number 5 (Claire B/Hall). It's the closest place I could think of to save the game.

[versed cairn]

Thanks

[versed cairn]

tested on patched and unpatched on my mister and it's happening in both so it's for sure not the patch atleast. will try on a real n64 in a little bit. sorry about the flicker. my capture card hates the interlace this game puts out

[lament escarp]

If you disable the expansion pak it should run in 240p.

[versed cairn]

Thanks. Will do that and get a better capture

[spare meadow]

Thank you for testing

[languid dune]

You can also run it in the progressive scan mode.

[spare meadow]

Finish Clare A (RE 2 patched - Turbo Core). Zero crashing/freezing. Now only Leon B left but now its time for bed. 😀

[versed cairn]

ok heres a way better mister capture. pulling out the n64 now

[versed cairn]

I can't seem to get the save to work on my everdrive 64. tried using this converter but no luck https://savefileconverter.com/#/mister

[versed cairn]

sorry can't seem to figure it out. oh well

[lament escarp]

Is it the same version of the rom?

[versed cairn]

Yeah used the same rom. Tried byte-swaping and different combinations of converters but nothing worked. I know it’s possible cause people have done it here before but I don’t have more time tonight to tinker with it

[lament escarp]

Alright, sleep tight.

[random bloom]

Console exclusive, yes, but it does have a pc port that should run on basically anything. Takes a bit of fiddling to get working, but myabandonware has all the files you need, dgvoodoo will let you play at whatever resolution you like and it seems to support controllers. PS5 controller worked for me, so directinput stuff works at least. Haven't tested Xbox controllers.

[vast gorge]

Apologies if I’ve missed it, is there a way to add the turbo core into update_all or a script to update it? Appreciate it’s no real hardship to copy the rbf over manually but anything I can automate is always a bonus 👍

[zinc dew]

No, it’s done on purpose. The Turbo core is provided as is and we don’t want anyone to report bugs or issues with it.

It just an experimental core to see how far the clock speed can be pushed.

[vast gorge]

That’s cool, cheers for confirming

[zinc dew]

Yeah sorry, I know considering the improved compatibility it feels like it should be included. The goal is to get the original core being more compatible without needing games to be patched or run on the turbo core.

But for now it’s a good work around.

[vast gorge]

Indeed, I need to apply the patches to Conker, JFG and Resi so figured given a lot of folks are saying the turbo core does some great things for frame rates etc it was worth running the 2 cores

As I say, updating it manually isn’t difficult and I guess it won’t update all that often anyway so I’m probably over-engineering a solution looking to script something that is just as easy to FTP over the odd time it’s updated 😂

[zinc dew]

There’s a high performance perfect dark patch that when coupled with the Turbo core makes the game feel super smooth. When I compared it against the original game on the original system it’s pretty astonishing.

[rich warren]

Would be so awesome if the next FPGA could do 3DFX and Voodoo cards

[zinc dew]

No, you have the right idea and it’s a good proposal. It’s just that these alternative cores aren’t included due to project goals (accuracy, authenticity, etc).

[rich warren]

Any chance to include the Turbo core in the unstable repo? Would still have to add it to the downloader.ini, but then you could get it with update all

[zinc dew]

No because it’s not part of the official repo. Unstable repo is for official cores that are testing out changes before being sent out to everyone.

[rich warren]

Gotcha, a shame it's stuck in the middle since it's a good MiSTer flex being able to run some games smoother than OG hardware

[zinc dew]

The goal is to make the games not need the Turbo core to be stable. Not sure when we’ll get there but these patches are certainly helping us figure that out.

[rich warren]

I'm primarily a standard core user, so the ruleset patches have been a godsend. I enjoy the lovely warts and all N64 experience. It still feels like the future when I play N64.

[fair stump]

If anyone confirms that RE2 issue doesn't happen on real hardware I'll submit the issue

[zinc dew]

Has it happened more than once?

[mortal panther]

It's pretty much a non-issue anyway, since the turbo core is updated so infrequently.

[zinc dew]

Seeing one off issues is definitely valid but we need a more consistent repro and confirmation that it’s reproducible. Otherwise a bug report isn’t going to help.

[fair stump]

I think we've had two or three people confirm? I'm not sure at the moment

[zinc dew]

Ok cool, sorry to be preachy

I am the recipient of a lot of bugs myself for work lol

[fair stump]

Nah I understand

[spare meadow]

Thank you for trying

[tulip pendant]

the book of bacon has a nice ring to it

[cerulean elk]

I agree

[zinc dew]

🙏🥓

🥓🟰🐿️

[eternal ravine]

I know y'all eat squirrel bacon

[chrome quest]

I also once believed in the book of bacon.
Then I read that Gauntlet does not in fact work without issue on the turbo core
My faith is shattered. Why have you forsaken me!?

[cerulean elk]

“Your experience may vary” and I say it in every vid lol. Andy D and I both tested it for the vid. Neither of us could crash it

[chrome quest]

You very much do to be fair.
I apologise for my crisis in faith 🙏

[fair stump]

I was told multiple times the book was updated but it wasn't actually true

[vast gorge]

Just applied the patches to JFG, Resi and Conker so thank you so much everyone involved!

[zinc dew]

You’re welcome, I worked hardest of all

[chrome quest]

Just found a ".VGE" file amongst old PC data. Now that's a miracle for sure

[zinc dew]

Is it 45s of music?

[chrome quest]

I ain't clicking it!

[cerulean elk]

Haha nice

[cerulean elk]

Haha this is always the hardest thing. I am a testing cross section of 1. But some people watch and don’t get the same result and get mad at me 😂 it’s kind of like “hey I said results may vary. This is day zero stuff”

[zinc dew]

Whenever my game crashes I blame VGE

[cerulean elk]

🤣 some people genuinely do

The steam deck tutorials are the best. “I followed directions. It didn’t work”…”well what did you do”? (Proceeds to tell me what they did and it’s so fucking NOT what I said to do) “ok you did it wrong”….”NO”

[dawn halo]

I think you need to include both the sra and sav

maybe that's the issue? (edit: probably I'm wrong here)

[zinc dew]

Seriously? Lmao

[cerulean elk]

All the time

My fav is they don’t add a bios file and it doesn’t work…”oh did I need that”?

YES! I spend two minutes saying exactly that 🤣

Best though is the random people that blame me when they clean their boards based on my “how to clean PCBs” video…because they couldn’t find IPA so they used tap water

And then it breaks

[kind solar]

so are the patches for the regular core (sorry been afm - away from mister)?

[spare meadow]

Here we go.

[dawn halo]

I'll play through actually using my N64 with a save with infinite ammo unlocked to blow through it super quick but I'm 200% sure this does not happen on real hardware.

[slender hawk]

🚨 CODE VIOLATION 🚨

@spare meadow You have violated rule #953 - sharing Resident Evil 2 save files

[languid dune]

In bacon we trust!

[dawn halo]

Alright, real hardware, I don't see any box misplaced texture effect here

Rev 1

US

[versed cairn]

Thanks for checking!

[dawn halo]

No problem. I don't mind opening the bug report.

[spare meadow]

Thank you! If you could open the bug report it would be great! Later today I will play the Leon B campaign. Don’t remember if it happens in Leon”s campaign too

[dawn halo]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/N64_MiSTer/issues/25

[hidden bolt]

https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?t=8078

Added patches for 1.0, PAL and JP (Biohazard 2) in the Mister forum thread

Thanks for the quick testing everyone!

[dawn halo]

Great work, thank you so much for this!

[spare meadow]

Thank you so much! You are a Legend!! Now my all favorite N64 games work on MiSTer (Mario 64, KI Gold, RE 2, Legend of Zelda Oot and Majoras Mask)

[mortal panther]

It's a Festivus miracle!

[latent hatch]

Where's the high performance patch for PD? I could only find one for Tooie.

[latent hatch]

You should specify isopropyl rather than saying IPA as well, just in case.

[zinc dew]

I don’t remember, I can’t find it online now lol

[versed cairn]

#1096015979055697940 message

[zinc dew]

Maybe it was this - https://github.com/n64decomp/perfect_dark/tree/mods/performance

[zinc dew]

Thank you!

[cerulean elk]

Haha I do. I even show the bottle

[zinc dew]

Oh no he’s blue now

[stone pilot]

Conquering Conker made him a little blue in the text, didn't it

[cerulean elk]

I changed color?

Hot damn. Now I want to change my name

@zinc dew I want a custom category. TechnoEsoterica. Make it be!

[magic girder]

How did you get to be blue? 🥺

[spare meadow]

Can confirm. Leon B has the same glitch / texture problem

[jolly turret]

So I just got my Mister set up today and fired up the N64 core. Man, what an excellent experience it is! While I didn't check in on Conker specifically, I still found some issues with audio pops and crackles happening in almost every game I tried.

Most of the time it's clicking type sounds which have most of their energy in the higher frequencies, where they more easily mix in with sounds and music, where they are much harder to notice. I have recorded several examples, the Turok sample is the most obvious and similar to the Conker issue.

[languid dune]

Yeah, it's a known issue with the core.

[languid dune]

One too many drinks'll do it. ........

[jolly turret]

Got it, good to know. Is there anything I can do to help with it?

[languid dune]

This is the last time Robert talked about it. #1096015979055697940 message

[rich warren]

I use the Arcade LPF 4kz 1 audio filter preset to help mask the audio pops

[cerulean elk]

https://youtu.be/slp9-PycSXA

hey look!

[jolly turret]

I can see how this might help to mask the issue slightly, however a 4khz lpf is way to aggressive imo.

[rich warren]

Yeah I've been meaning to find a better preset, but the audio filters help the harsh sounds for sure

[jolly turret]

I'm actually working on creating a very accurate N64 audio filter preset, should have it ready sometime later this month.

[cerulean elk]

Best birthday gift you are gonna get @languid dune

Only because you got them sweet rip tickets up there to satisfy my bar gambling itch

[languid dune]

We also have kringle!

Just had some key lime kringle today.

[cerulean elk]

Too much gluten, not enough chance

[languid dune]

Let your gut take one for your taste buds!

[cerulean elk]

Ever see a broken fire hydrant? Bout the same ending 🤣

[spare meadow]

That is it. Finish the last campaign (4 of 4) of RE 2 (patched + turbo core). Not a single freeze in 4 campaign, saving only a few times in each one of them. Now I will try playing using the regular core.

[dawn halo]

I'll edit the bug report later, thanks

[worn delta]

Thanks for logging any issues in GitHub

[fair stump]

I'll try to transfer more over from the sheets tonight and group them up where I can

[cerulean elk]

Fun results

@spare meadow killing it on RE 2 today

[zinc dew]

Literally, those are a lot of zombies

[cerulean elk]

I heard the zombies have the same IQ as a Texan

[worn delta]

If anyone (not on their phone watching UK election results come in) is able to dig out the videos of the Majora's Mask Telescope bug so those can be easily logged that would be helpful

[fair stump]

Found it #1096015979055697940 message
I'll add that later

[zinc dew]

@fair stump is awesome!

[fair stump]

https://tenor.com/view/akiyama-yakuza4-yakuza5-yakuza-meme-gif-25779818

[cerulean elk]

Sunak got destroyed and I am not even British. @fallen sparrow what’s going on over in OG America?

[fallen sparrow]

No idea, who's Sunak?

[fair stump]

Sunak deez

[cerulean elk]

Your elected king

[fallen sparrow]

My boy Charles

[forest forge]

please add gamma correction function for n64 core it is needed a lot for crt screens

[fair stump]

Unfortunately I don't believe that will be coming due to limited resources #share-media message

[fair stump]

In the current bug list for KI Gold it says "Character select animation is slower than hardware". I just checked it vs a youtube video and I couldn't really see any difference. Would someone else mind double checking that one so I can submit the ticket if needed? Thanks!

[spare meadow]

The normal core has some slowdown at the characters selection. The turbo core has none

[fair stump]

@weary perch I'm checking the San Francisco Rush games and I'm not sure I'm seeing the same issues as what's on your list. At least that I can tell. It does seem like something funny is up with them.

Extreme Racing doesn't want to save my created character and the pak said it was damaged after a reset

2049 didn't look like it was cycling through multiple paks. More like it was on one pak and constantly unable to read from them?

[fair stump]

Sorry, do you mean like after you select your character and it scrolls down the challenge list? Or just when you're scrolling left and right?

Got some more of the bigger issues over. The cpak stuff with the rush games should definitely be checked again and submitted since it seems pretty broken

[storm vessel]

It seems like running the turbo core as the primary one seems like a good idea. If you see something off, try in the standard core to see if the issue still persists.

[spare meadow]

The slowdown happens after I select my character and it scrolls down the challenge list. Maybe this helps:

#n64-dev message

[fair stump]

I actually never use the turbo core. I'm looking for it to be close as possible to og hardware

And testing should never be with turbo anyway because it's just a for fun core

[fair stump]

Ah, thanks! That's pretty subtle but a great example

[storm vessel]

I guess I’m weird like that. I can play fine on the standard core cuz I was used to playing them back in the day, but some extra frames here and there feel nicer in some games.

[wanton sun]

Turbo core runs the FPGA fabric way out of spec. While it seems to work on almost all de10-nano and cannot damage anything, there is always a risk that the turbo core crashes, just because it is the turbo core and not because of a game bug.

One example: VGE has played through Gauntlet and RE on the turbo core without crashes, others report crashes. It's totally unclear in that case if that is a core bug/speed issue like with the normal core, of if just the turbo core crashes because of running out of spec and VGEs DE10-Nano is just "better"

[turbid warren]

cosmic radiation flipped a bit

[wanton sun]

If you run a CPU at 120mhz that is rated for 80mhz, things happen

[fallen sparrow]

Damn VGE and his better FPGA 😂

[storm vessel]

I recall the N64 flaunting that it had a 100Mhz processor when seeing it at a trade show.
Is it not actually 100 but 80Mhz?

[daring meteor]

Its 93MHz
Core is 80MHz and overclocked to 93MHz without major problems

(80 something MHz, not 80 flat)

[storm vessel]

Wonder why they said that back then. Perhaps as their maximum speed?

[wanton sun]

yes, CPU runs at 93.75mhz, core(release) has timing closure for 85mhz, so the gap is very small and basically always works. If you overclock the cpu to 120mhz, maybe not always that easy

i wouldn't deliver the stock core to space or industry, but the solution is still better than running it at 85mhz and having games run slow and hang because of it

[storm vessel]

Well either way, the core turned out splendidly 👏

[daring meteor]

Sayign 100 is nicer than saying 93.75

[chrome quest]

Unfortunately it's also what can make composite tuning incredibly frustrating when everything only says for example PAL is 50Hz. Sometimes.... Or 49.7, 49.8, etc

[cedar arrow]

Thank you @hidden bolt for the patches! One question though : which rom version should I use (CRC-32)? The ones I already got gave me errors so I guess I'm not using the right ones...

[hidden bolt]

Use .z64 files, keep in mind that there are two versions of RE2, the first NTSC release also known as 1.0, and the second NTSC knows as 1.1 or as REV A. you need to use the right patch with the right rom.

[cedar arrow]

Thanks! I'm using .z64, but there're different versions (maybe with and without header?) what I found testing different versions is that with Conker crc32: ce8cc172, Jet Force: 6753d5a3 and RE2 V1.1: 848fbc0d, the patcher went through. I wanted to try also the PAL versions so'll keep looking

[hidden bolt]

The ROM I used has crc32: 7C8EE011, don't know if it is the 'correct' one but I found two and they were both the same.

for PAL

[cedar arrow]

Thank you again! I'll check it 🙂 If not probably I have just to try until I fond the proper one, not such a big deal!

[mortal panther]

"If you run a CPU at 120mhz that is rated for 80mhz, things happen"

Back in the late '90s, I ran a Celeron 300A at 450 MHz.
Things happened. I got a kick-ass low-cost gaming PC. 😜

[compact depot]

I'm assuming the games patched by Ruleset work on software emulators simply because they are not as cycle accurate as the MiSTer core is. Is this assumption correct?

Core time accuracy + DDR latency leads to problems on those game, right?

Software emus lack of accuracy "solves" those issues, right?

[lament escarp]

I believe the issue with fpga vs software emulation is that software emulation is done step by step by the cpu and can simply wait for any incorrectly timed components while fpga is actually working all components in parallel, so if one is late the other components still chug along and crash. (Not an expert)

[wanton sun]

yes, such a thing as random memory latency would never be in a software emulator, not even by accident. One would have to forcefully break it 🙂

That's why software emulators are 100% reproducible with the same inputs(even accross completly different host systems). So random bugs are much more rare

[cerulean elk]

yes its such an odd variable. @manic basin had the same result out Gauntlet that I had. Could be boards from the same production run just slightly performing "better", could be luck. I know my play style in RE 2 really lends itself to NOT crashing as I am basically sprinting past everything

[spare meadow]

@wanton sun , just out of curiosity: incorrect texture is something relate with RSP? Could be affecting other games too?

[vast delta]

was the turbo core ever updated with the new mix-and-match SNAC/USB feature contained in the regular core from april?

[knotty zealot]

i've been scrolling through a lot of numbers and confusing things i can't understand. you can't finish RE2 on the core? you need patches?

samurai monkey is not happy

[hollow rune]

https://tenor.com/view/playstation-nostalgic-gif-23251074

[knotty zealot]

right?

playstation plays what nintendoesn't

[hollow rune]

except it can't play ocarina of time and mystical ninja starring goemon

[plush summit]

Im surprised nobody tried to port OOT to PSX

[rich warren]

Came out the other end as Soul Reaver

[cerulean elk]

Does PS1 play Bomberman Hero? No? Ok N64 wins

[hollow rune]

This really made me laugh

[placid quiver]

Is there any difference in the N64 vs PSX Gauntlet Legends versions?

[modest helm]

Big difference. PS1 Gauntlet Legends runs horribly and only supports 2 players vs the N64 version's 4

[placid quiver]

So turbo core still the way to go then

[modest helm]

Yup

[paper crescent]

It does have other Goemon games, though. I heard Uchuu Kaizoku Akogingu is a good one.

[knotty zealot]

BIO HAZARD ALERT

i bet this "uchu kaizo akogongo" you speak of translates to "jump dude" in english

akumajo dracula

[hollow rune]

Ganbare Goemon ~Space Pirate Acoustic~

[knotty zealot]

ffffffffffffffff

[worldly quartz]

Can't wait for rugrats to get a patch lol

[topaz otter]

aren't there like ten different manufacturers of the ram stick that goes in the de10

of varying qualities depending on who manufactures it

this reminds me of unlocking the extra cores on a phenom II and it was totally down to the luck of the draw if you got one that was unlockable(and stable)

[languid dune]

I'm still waiting for that Superman 64 patch that makes it not work with the core.

[pliant valve]

If you mean doesn't work well, no patch is needed.

[wanton sun]

the ram stick isn't that important for n64 core. It only uses it slow (62.5 or 80mhz in turbo core) as it only holds the cart, save ram and the 9th bit of the rdp render buffer

[wanton sun]

that's the nice thing about render bugs: if it does effect other games, you will see it 🙂
Currently it's unclear if that is a RDP render bug or the texture was just not loaded in/decompressed fast enough.

[wanton sun]

even worse: the FPGA consists of many many cells, so if the next routing of the next build is different, your de10-nano could be the bad one and the others are the good. That's why using cores with lot of of timing failures is not recommended for stable use

i have a turbo core with even higher clock (135mhz cpu) that runs stable here in many games, so i could play hours in starcraft, but it crashes consistently in tooie, so i would not share it

[quasi storm]

Just encountered a freeze in Conker's BFD, Patch V2. Was at the part in War with the turret tediz.

Oh... I can't let that simmer😄

It did hitch, though. Was rather odd...

[weak hill]

guys, with this configuration, can i use de n64 core?

Analog Pro IO 1x SDRAM

or do i need dual SDRAM?

[iron dove]

yep, you can use the n64 core 🙂

[weak hill]

im asking cause, i think im going to be able to buy only 1 mister, and i search that mister on misteraddons, but it says 1xSDRAM, do i need 2 SDRAMS?

[iron dove]

no cores need dual SDRAM

[weak hill]

ok ok, so im good with that pre build mister?

[iron dove]

yep, for sure

[weak hill]

ok, other question, with that version, can i connect the mister to an crt tv?

[iron dove]

yeah the analog pro is the newer board with high quality analog video out

component, s-video, composite out from the saturn connector

oh and RGB, theres links to the various cables on the board's product page

[weak hill]

ok ok, so i can use hdmi, rgb or s video

thanks man for the info

[iron dove]

yeah, just need the saturn connector to whatever cable, and to configure the MiSTer.ini to set the analog video out type you want
those settings are on the product page too

[hidden bolt]

Did it hitch and then crash afterwards?

[hasty musk]

Starcraft 60fps?

[quasi storm]

No, it recovered and kept soldiering on. Was a pretty sizeable stall, though.

It was like, and this is funny to me, the stall was just long enough for me to think it was a freeze, and then it kept going. I actually breathed a sigh of relief.😄

I just posted on here that it froze to be a brat. Also to report that oddity.

[lament escarp]

Would be interesting if cbfd does the same on oem hardware. I've heard it can actually crash on n64.

But even if it's the patch, a hitch is still hugely preferable to a crash.

[hidden bolt]

Oh, yeah that can happen when the expansion RAM overflows, the memory map gets purged and the game has to fill it in again, should be pretty rare though.

[quasi storm]

So, would that have been a freeze in the unpatched rom?

Well, actually the expansion rom isn't used in unpatched...

Nevermind, I don't know what I'm talking about 😄

[hidden bolt]

the unpatched rom would have crashed way before that probably, this is only for the patch

[quasi storm]

I was actually wondering if that was the case. I had the idea it was rolling over, as it were. Guess it was a good hunch.

It seems I have some catching up to do. I see now that the hitch was mentioned in your post in the pins. My bad. ☹️

[hidden bolt]

no problem, I haven't had any reports of it happening yet, so it is good to know.

[quasi storm]

Oh, well in that case... Jeez, how long was I playing?

I've had at least five fairly long sessions, covering quite a bit of game in each one. That was the first I noticed it

Like I said, it was pretty substantial. I'm rather sensitive to things being off, I would have noticed earlier occurrences.

Would you like me to report more? Maybe keep a timer?

Or is it benign enough for you?

[hidden bolt]

not really necessary, not every time the ram overflows will give such a long stutter I think.

[wanton sun]

depends a lot on the mission. I'm mostly concerned about the broodwar missions dropping below 10fps and are playable at 20-25fps with the high turbo

but yes, small maps with few units run stable 60fps with it

[hasty musk]

Wow

[hasty musk]

But why dont you play the pc version.

Starcraft also loved the Soundtrack

[placid quiver]

Is there a link to the archived patreon posts from the development?

[fair stump]

I couldn't find anything searching the discord. Maybe @wanton sun could share a link?

[worn delta]

Have you considered adding 16MB and beyond ram options to your test core and seeing how Star Craft changes/benefits? That is one game that was coded to not have the 8MB ram cap so will apparently take whatever ram is set and load more units on screen the more ram there is which could be fun there

[worldly quartz]

Imagine if it used 256mb

[placid quiver]

Yeah I tried looking too

[worn delta]

Raises an interesting point, what is the theoretical max that the expansion pack ram amount could go up to with the ram resources available on the DE-10 Nano?

[worldly quartz]

time for someone to justify double 128mb slots lol

like that OG Xbox mod with 256 MB ram (vs stock 64) that's only useful currently for like Linux

[zinc dew]

Yeah, it’s rare for a game from that era to be developed to allow for more resource management than the console can provide.

[modest helm]

Just noticed that looking through all the cores, that the "Scandoubler FX" option isn't avaialable for the PSX and N64 cores. Is there a reason for this? It's on pretty much every other core

[iron dove]

scandoubler isn't supported by psx/n64 cores, folks use scaler for 31khz analog out

[modest helm]

Thanks. I was asking mainly because the HQ2X option can make some of the rough pixel edges smoother on an HDMI TV. I don’t care about the scanlines but those options look great on the Saturn and GBA core in particular

Using HQ2X plus adaptive scanlines looks great in conjunction imo

[zinc dew]

I use HQ2X on the GBA videos in a misguided attempt to have my older kids like the MiSTer by showing them SpongeBob on it. But they just laugh and go “what’s wrong with the video???”

[iron dove]

The proud day your kid first criticises macroblocking in old codecs...

[zinc dew]

I tried to tell them that’s all we had 20 years ago which just made them laugh more LOL

[iron dove]

they'll never know the simple joy of rolling a laserdisc down a dirt road with a stick

[mortal panther]

'Bit rot' will blow their minds.

[zinc dew]

So will getting old lol

[magic girder]

That hurts

[gilded whale]

Shiiit. This might be my new weekend plan, that sounds like fun

[deft tree]

to be fair, we still knew it was shitty 20 years ago

[modest helm]

Hey guys was just testing out both Vigilante 8 and Vigilante 8 2nd Offense. Both have glitched screen transitions in the menu. The games are perfectly playable with these minor graphical issues. Can anyone else test both games to confirm? Just want confirmation before opening a Github ticket

[gilded whale]

You do know that portable dvd players existed around that time right? You could watch SpongeBob in more than 32 colors on them too 😛

https://youtu.be/xZrjYliMhfQ?si=NY9cNM01yIEaYmyq

Feels like an appropriate time to share this

[placid quiver]

I don't think the core is getting many updates in a while

[compact depot]

So glad people are actually playing N64 games now and reporting bugs

[wanton sun]

multiple: ressources, doesn't work properly with interlace content, only works with 4:1 base/pixel clock ratio

[wanton sun]

no, because i don't want dynamic ram mapping and having it fixed would make max rom size for 32mbyte users even smaller (as 9th rdram bit is in sdram). Also i wouldn't expect any higher fps from it as the ram bandwidth is the limit, not the size

[wanton sun]

played it too much, so a different way is nice

[hasty musk]

Terraner Zerg or Protos?
Favorite?