Nintendo 64

[inner plume]

I know it's not N64, but you'll have a lot of fun with the PSX core if you have 128MB RAM

[mellow raft]

maybe closer to $350

[inner plume]

(also thanks to @wanton sun for that core)

[mellow raft]

Basically $210 for the De10-nano + $50 for fedex shipping (don't be worried abotut the long estimate... usually ships out within a week and arrives in a few days), +$45 for the IO board + $50-60 for the RAM + $8 micro USB to USB hub

Otherwise a full USB hub board is also about $45

which would be a complete stack

if you just want to save up for a prepackaged deal with a full case, you can just buy a full kit from MiSTer Addons or Retrocastle on aliexpress

[inner plume]

I bought a built mister from MiSTer Addons, very happy with it

[mellow raft]

The aluminum case is nice

[inner plume]

Downside is you'll pay a premium over building it yourself

I don't have a case for mine... I know I should get one

[mellow raft]

only a small premium though

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256803092474258.html

people do love the smaller form factor of RetroCastle's design

Fully supported

Just be careful to get the right video output

[inner plume]

Damn that is small!

[mellow raft]

His offer the option of using the Saturn video out instead of VGA

[inner plume]

If I didn't have a MiSTer I would buy that

[mellow raft]

Yeah he designed his own IO board that follows the official documentation

It combines a couple less USB ports and all the normal IO on a single board

[inner plume]

Ah, dealbreaker, then

I need 12 USB ports for all my N64 peripherals 😄

[mellow raft]

hahaha

[inner plume]

/s

[mellow raft]

It's got 5 ports I believe

[inner plume]

That's just enough I think for most use cases

4 controllers plus a keyboard

[mellow raft]

https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/S6cc1dffd0b534f02be852a69737896196/MisTer-FPGA-IO-Board-VGA-Version.jpg_.webp

Basically USB hub + Analog IO in one

😄

[ebon kindle]

The analog IO board already has 2 USB ports, I should be fine with that one right

[mellow raft]

nope

those can't be used for normal USB

[ebon kindle]

ooh

[mellow raft]

The USB on the Analog IO is intended for User IO, like SNAC or the mt32-pi. It doesn't electrically act like a normal USB port

and the other is just for power I believe

[inner plume]

Not gonna lie I didn't even notice my analog board has USB connections

[ebon kindle]

I checked, it's only 4 dollars more

that's ok

[mellow raft]

yeah shipping overseas can be rough from Europe

And sometimes goes missing >.>

[ebon kindle]

Should I add this Wifi board to the De-10 nano?

wifi dongle lmao

[mellow raft]

Stay away from BliSTer anyway imo

[inner plume]

Depends on whether you have a network cable in reach if you need wifi

[mellow raft]

don't get any extra stuff from Terasic

none of those will work well for MiSTer

[inner plume]

I have network drops in my house so it's easy to plug into a TV near one when I want to update. I do have a wifi/BT dongle but I exclusively use it for BT, and I recommend having a separate dongles for wifi and BT anyways

[ebon kindle]

Oh ok

[mellow raft]

Also get your own Micro SD

the one included is trash

if you plan to hook up a bunch of peripherals, especially an external SSD or HDD, I'd recommend getting from MiSTer Addons and getting the extra 4A or 5A power supply option

[inner plume]

If you have a very long USB cable, you might not need/want a BT dongle, but I recommend it because the latency is pretty low, and it's really nice when I want to play from longer distances than my 8 foot cable reaches

[ebon kindle]

Alrights

[mellow raft]

the included 2A with the de10-nano isn't enough when running lots and lots of stuff

but it'll be fine for a couple controllers, wifi, bluetooth, and the included things

[inner plume]

But if you don't have BT, I would recommend a long USB cable

[ebon kindle]

hm this looks intresting, should i consider it at all?

[mellow raft]

if you get a kit, it's included

[inner plume]

If you get a hybrid BT/Wifi dongle, and run both Wifi and BT from it, you'll likely experience input latency spikes

[mellow raft]

yeah I recommend separate devices

[ebon kindle]

Ok waitttttt, so what should I just get, I have a lil list, The DE-10 nano, the S-video kit, the analog IO board and the 128mb of ram, what device do ya'll specifically reccomend for Wi-fi usb and all that

[inner plume]

I'll spare everyone the technical explanation 🙂 otherwise I might start rambling and go off on a tangent and nobody wants that

[ebon kindle]

lol that's ok

[inner plume]

I'll let others recommend the wifi dongle and setup recommendations

I bought a hybrid one, though I only use it for BT. Not sure how to set up wifi or BT to go through specific dongles

Oh, if you want to use original controllers and accessories, you might want to consider a SNAC adapter for your hardware

I don't know a whole lot about SNAC though, I just use USB or BT

SNAC is absolutely not required though

[ebon kindle]

Well, what should I get for USB?

[inner plume]

I think the board you linked above is what was built in with my pre-built one

Same power splitter too. Seems to work very well

[ebon kindle]

But I read this

[inner plume]

Yes, on the analog IO board

The board you linked above is a USB hub

And will work for input devices

What they were saying is that the ports that are on the analog IO board won't work for plugging controllers in

[ebon kindle]

Ok so I get the hub that's on here as well?

[inner plume]

I'm hesitant to say yes definitively since I didn't build my own MiSTer, but like I said that looks like the same hub from the MiSTer I got from them

[ebon kindle]

Alright

here's my basic list, any thoughts?

[inner plume]

One thing I'm not sure of is if any of the boards come with the rubber feet for the bottom of the MiSTer

Or if that is a separate purchase

[zinc dew]

the presence of @inner plume means there's a **codewaluigi **out there

[ebon kindle]

oh no

[zinc dew]

Just get the de10, SDram, and an inexpesnvie powered USB hub that connects via micro usb

don't get all that other shit, piece meal it out

[plush summit]

You might as well get an entire Aluminum setup at that point

[ebon kindle]

lmao alright

[maiden wyvern]

I think they also want analog output right

[ebon kindle]

Yeah I do

[zinc dew]

wait on it imo

focus on getting to know the MiSTer and setting it up how you like it, then jump over to analog out

I don't want to tell you how to spend your money and if you can afford it then go all out. But if the top of your list says "How can I afford all this????" then don't do it all at once.

[inner plume]

Yeah if you want a low cost setup that will work with a modern TV, start with that, add the analog board later

[ebon kindle]

lol I put it as a joke

[inner plume]

I would still recommend the USB hub though

[zinc dew]

But it's a good point, it can get expensive

[inner plume]

You can use an external hub over USB-mini/micro, but it's really nice to have it all part of the one device

[maiden wyvern]

That's very considerate

[zinc dew]

and make sure to download @maiden wyvern's scripts, they're so good

[plush summit]

Im suggesting the Aluminum pre-built because its all tested beforehand and the most turn key solution to MiSTer, no mess no stress

[inner plume]

WHat are Wizzo's scripts?

Think the only additional scripts I put on mine are ini_settings and update_all

[ebon kindle]

I mean I wanted to get this just for my CRT, Not a fan of using it on a modern TV

[maiden wyvern]

How can I stay mad at this guy!

[ebon kindle]

:(

[maiden wyvern]

You can also use an adapter on the hdmi

[ebon kindle]

that wouldn't give 240p tho?

[plush summit]

you can get 240p from HDMI with an adapter

[inner plume]

Yeah just many moderns TVs won't support it since it's not part of the NTSC standard

Technically, it's a hack of 480i if I'm not mistaken

[ebon kindle]

and how could I convert that HDMI to like S-video or composite or whatever

[knotty zealot]

don't encourage them

[plush summit]

You get those HDMI to VGA adapters and use the S-Video dongle on that

[ebon kindle]

something like this I guess?

[inner plume]

You have some options. You can buy a cheap HDMI to composite/component/svideo adapter, but these are often plagued with poor color and additional latency (though the latency isn't that bad it is something to avoid if you enjoy speedrunning). Direct video is also an option but what I understand is it requires a specific converter. I don't know much more about getting it to work other than that.

I'm not sure HDMI to VGA will work

[ebon kindle]

I should rather just get the analog board honestly

[inner plume]

You'll be mostly happy with that, aside from the color banding issues but it's not even really that noticeable to me

[plush summit]

If you really don't care about Dual RAM, the Analog board is fine, I have one and see no reason to change

[inner plume]

Does anything even require dual RAM these days?

[plush summit]

nothing from my knowledge, no

[inner plume]

I recall hearing the PSX core required it at one point but now it works with a single 128MB module

[plush summit]

Yeah, the Dual RAM builds are no longer updated

[ebon kindle]

well this is something alright lmao

[inner plume]

Not as streamlined as the one you had earlier but something like that should work

[ebon kindle]

this one's cheaper

[inner plume]

NIC is a bit redundant though, since the DE-10 nano already has one

[plush summit]

I bought the MakerSpot OTG hub and its flawless

[maiden wyvern]

That should be fine

[inner plume]

@maiden wyvern Would HDMI to VGA work for a console core?

Actually, I guess it probably work if you have vsync_adjust=0 set. Your display might not like the other options, though that's just a guess

[stuck summit]

honestly I'd just get the USB Hub board, it's not expensive at all and it's safer to use. I wouldn't want the DE-10's microusb port getting any unwanted stress, those ports are very fragile

[maiden wyvern]

I haven't heard any problems like that but I couldn't say for certain. Have used one in a long time

[plush summit]

Yeah, the USB hub makes everything easier, no stress

[ebon kindle]

I guess

[plush summit]

I built mines from scratch and used an OTG hub and no case, after assembling everything, I'd recommend the full stack all the time

[stuck summit]

same, I used OTG at first and it was a hassle. The hub ist stress-free and just works

[ebon kindle]

Alright then

ouch

[stuck summit]

I got my USB Hub board from aliexpress, it sure wasn't $60 lol

[ebon kindle]

just looked up this one, if you can find the one you used, that'd be awesome

[stuck summit]

it was 15 bucks I think

https://pt.aliexpress.com/item/1005002823258196.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.1.6f9e5469Cay8KX&algo_pvid=8dcd8330-ee2f-4ede-8997-9d66a989a1c4&algo_exp_id=8dcd8330-ee2f-4ede-8997-9d66a989a1c4-0&pdp_npi=4%40dis!BRL!95.25!76.22!!!18.47!!%402101fb1816995487374156488e7961!12000022351162012!sea!BR!172821937!&curPageLogUid=8FQDjvl5jc5f

[ebon kindle]

oh well, thanks! :D

[inner plume]

@ebon kindle One bit of advice is if you want to use retrocomputing cores on a CRT and you're using the analog IO board to connect, you'll want to make sure you have analog output put through the scaler first, it's done in the ini settings for MiSTer

[ebon kindle]

Alright

[inner plume]

Likewise, if your CRT is a computer monitor, you'll probably need the same for console cores to work

[ebon kindle]

It's just a consumer set not a pc monitor

[inner plume]

I get around this with "alterate configs", but you can do core-specific settings in the main config as well

[stuck summit]

the SDRAM from aliexpress is also cheaper. Not sure if the more expensive one is "better", I've been using it for 3 years now and no issues

[inner plume]

at $428 I would just spluge the bit extra and buy a prebuilt one lol

[ebon kindle]

Link to that too? that'd be amazing

[stuck summit]

https://pt.aliexpress.com/item/1005005888603362.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.3.5a0d6035ZE5dZC&algo_pvid=e641410e-f697-4d38-9899-113d7839dd74&algo_exp_id=e641410e-f697-4d38-9899-113d7839dd74-1&pdp_npi=4%40dis!BRL!405.28!186.42!!!78.59!!%40210324c816995488987327203e2d2f!12000034807386125!sea!BR!172821937!&curPageLogUid=xAZWqkfuREQB

[ebon kindle]

With the other usb hub it went down to 382

[stuck summit]

Honestly I built mine entirely with aliexpress parts lmao

[ebon kindle]

awesome

i'm trying to get everything at the cheapest

[inner plume]

Just be mindful that many vendors on aliexpress don't have the best quality products

[ebon kindle]

Yea

[inner plume]

Some do

I rarely buy components from AliExpress sellers though, but that's not to say you should avoid them completely

[compact skiff]

I think the MK core is supposed to require dual RAM. That's one that comes to mind. I have the analog IO board and love it too much to give up. I can play MK other ways.

[inner plume]

That's just me

[stuck summit]

I'm from Brazil so mister addons is impossibly expensive (import taxes). Aliexpress is pretty much my only option, and I've had no issues with any parts from there

[ebon kindle]

this looks, interesting..

[stuck summit]

yeah that's my setup

[ebon kindle]

Well hmm I can just get this to save for the analog board and usb

but idk if I should trust it

oh yea sorry lol

[inner plume]

I just noticed there is something in your cart called a "Y/C passive board". Anyone know what this is for?

Is it like something to avoid needing SoG?

[ebon kindle]

this

[chrome quest]

It's a bit late but yeah, hard to read up on core issues if chat becomes this long off topic

[stuck summit]

agree

[inner plume]

Kinda forgot we're in the #1096015979055697940 channel XD

[ebon kindle]

same 😅

[mortal panther]

Thanks 🙂

[compact skiff]

Just goes to show how many people love setting these things up

[inner plume]

I see, it converts the signal to S-Video

Forgot for a moment that Y/C is the real name for S-Video, not component

[knotty zealot]

buy the analog passive board to get actively bored

[ebon kindle]

:O

[knotty zealot]

sick stab

[inner plume]

To bring this back on topic this is how you build a mister compatible for the N64 core

😄

(and incidentally other cores too)

[modern sleet]

YC doesn't care, it outputs 24bit it available through its analog out. The modulation happens in the core, so it's not apples to oranges

The passive adapter also limits chroma to the output of the mister which is 700mV, and having the active adapter will help a bit

[wanton sun]

new build is uploaded, let's see if analog is matching n64 output now

[main dirge]

So I wouldn't necessarily need to buy a new 24bit color io board to get 24bit color over composite?

(leaving Direct Video aside)

[iron trail]

Not exactly what you asked but the core is very nice and centered now on analog out ❤️

[modern sleet]

Nice!

[eternal island]

is yc supported or is it still separate

[wanton sun]

seperate build

[lean spruce]

I just tested the build and its centered like the YC build. One observations on my test that somebody with a real N64 should verify:

1. Super Mario 64: It in the save select screen it overscans left and right so that you only see the slopes of the frame.
2. Mask of Majora: The bombers notebook has black bars in left and right

[eternal island]

ah all right

[modern sleet]

YC gets added after tlb 😉

[native mesa]

YC? Throw it in the trash!

[eternal island]

but i like svideo 😦

[native mesa]

Yeah it's needed for OG hardware capabilities. I only joke

[wanton sun]

what do you mean with the first point, it shows more left/right on a real n64?

[mild ether]

I am kinda confused about how the size in MB relates to changes in the core. Do you keep trimming a bunch of things from the code or do small changes lead to big reductions?

[wanton sun]

quartus routing is a big random number generator, so the size might change with every build

[lean spruce]

Yes most of the flat areas of the frame are not visible as they are on my CRTs overscan

[wanton sun]

did you compare with a realn64 using the same output method?

[lean spruce]

that is what I´m asking others to check if its doing it for them

[remote hatch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88Bo5SN0fTE&t=28s

[modern sleet]

That's going to depend on each tv

Not a good reference

[lean spruce]

So its the same for you then? Thats great

[remote hatch]

I do not know if this can be considered a reference , but I think it is an authentic N64 and CRT

[modern sleet]

Best to just compare a real system to mister on the same tv

[remote hatch]

so it will be different on every TV 🙂

[modern sleet]

Yes

[lean spruce]

Kuba have the same though, so it seems normal view also on real N64

[remote hatch]

I compared the PAL version and the images matched

[modern sleet]

Yeah, I'd stick to that as the reference

NTSC matched on my build and I can compare that after

[lean spruce]

I consider it verified. So thats why I also added the Majoras Mask Bombers Notebook, since that shows black bars on left and right. Which means my CRT is not overscanning

[wanton sun]

do you feel it's missing something?

[modern sleet]

Try banjo

Kazooie

[wanton sun]

for even more black bar pleasure? 😅

[modern sleet]

So you can count the pixels hahaha

[remote hatch]

I'm used to black bars 😄

PAL

[lean spruce]

No, I just know its missing part of the frame in left and right compared to how it looks on an emulator:

but its due to signal to CRT it cuts off a bit of the flat area on left and right. But since its doing it on a real N64 its fine

[wanton sun]

it also looks like that on the core if you put away that ancient screen 😛

[lean spruce]

I know, but everything else is an inferior experience on LCD 😉

So just wanted to know if a real N64 analoge is the same

which it seems it is

[modern sleet]

Why waste a 3000 OLED if you need to use scanlines and shadowmasks to make it look as good as an inferior CRT?

[stuck summit]

so I can game on a large screen without having a hulking giga-mammoth ancient device in my living room

[oblique crow]

Definitely the closest in terms of possible image quality though. OLEDs are honestly neck and neck with CRTs in some stuff. Still prefer how CRTs handle low res stuff though.

Honestly the biggest hurdle with display tech right now isn't the picture quality, it's moving away from sample and hold somehow

[hasty kayak]

So I can use 1 really awesome display to play all of my Modern and Retro systems with? Also PC Games?

[oblique crow]

Yeah. Tell him my game room.

[hasty kayak]

Haha 🙂

And yes I have a 55 LG B7 OLED and it looks fantastic. In fact I am using it whilst typing this message.

[oblique crow]

I love my CRTs though. I'm also on a 48" C2 with a 65" C7 and CX behind me

[lean spruce]

If anybody can confirm black bars on Bombers notebook on CRT in Majoras Mask?

[thorn flax]

yeah, bombers notebook was narrow

[lean spruce]

thanks

[wanton sun]

it only uses 576 pixel width instead of 640

[lament escarp]

This is wrong. I have a Sony bravia oled. 😄

[oblique crow]

Only thing that sucks is I have to boot into windows to watch hdr content.

At least until Wayland dev is further along

[modern sleet]

Offset is clean in the async module, i don't know why I didn't try this first .. instead of shifting the sync

The n64 core just makes it easy to adjust, Im used to looking at arcade cores that write their whole source around h count positions

[thorn flax]

I hadn't checked to see if this was the current status quo of Rouge Squadron

[fair stump]

Yeah the options menu at the beginning does something similar

[wanton sun]

i tried to write it as clean as possible. So if i can't understand how it should be, i wanted at least understand what the module does, haha

hopefully it's correct now in all cases, but if not we should be able to modify it easily

[cerulean elk]

“You could buy an expensive OLED TV and a $500+ scaler…or that old trinitron your dad has in the garage can do a better job for the price of back pain when you move it” 🤣

Or well if you are our age @zinc dew then back pain

[woven olive]

this dongle works really well for the mister. no extra drivers or additional setup needed. i've never experienced any real input spikes via bluetooth with it. maybe i'm not super sensitive to it. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07YDFZWT8

[oblique crow]

Only experienced issues when I had the weird USB board that had the fork connector to tap 5V from the main board.

That board was a mess

[weary beacon]

Got a link to the model you're referring to?

[azure hatch]

I've mentioned this here before ;) Sure CRT's are great, but I'll never forget how happy I was with how light my first LCD monitor was. My back was like omg TY!

[oblique crow]

No. Was a blisster board from 2019

Or 2020 maybe

Idk

Gave me all sorts of issues though.

[cerulean elk]

Haha this is true. Moving my 20” pvm is a chore

[viral portal]

Ah, you may have had one of the batches that had a bad capacitor in a specific area of the board. I had the same thing. Ulao was kind enough to show me what I needed to do to fix it, and it was an easy enough solder, but I can't imagine everyone doing it themselves. It solved the issue, though.

I may have terms incorrect.

[native mesa]

@cerulean elk I'll never understand the amount of hate you get. https://www.reddit.com/r/fpgagaming/comments/17rkzkn/rule_4_was_made_specifically_to_control/

[cerulean elk]

Lol fuck em

Mods asked me to post there when they reopened. I got the DMs 🤣

[native mesa]

It's not your fault there are virtually no other FPGA journalists

[fair stump]

To me, Bacon is the voice of mister

[orchid nimbus]

the voice that never inhales

[cerulean elk]

It’s video. You can post ANYTHING you do any people love it. But a video. Then people cry spam

[native mesa]

Circular breathing

[cerulean elk]

This is how I feel bout Reddit complaints

[orchid nimbus]

@cerulean elk make it cute and put a cat in it!

[zinc dew]

gif_police.gif 🚨

[balmy dagger]

That's why he takes 45 second breaks.

[native mesa]

Can't think of mister without the backwards broken wings song

[cerulean elk]

You let that slide. I said so

Betelgeuse gets a pass

[zinc dew]

I love MMiSTer FrGGA!

[orchid nimbus]

@zinc dew then you'll love this!!

[balmy dagger]

Misssssssster....

[zinc dew]

gif_police.gif 🚨

[cerulean elk]

Yeah it’s just Reddit. They hate everything. I don’t give a shit lol

[fair stump]

Someone ai generate a gif police image

[orchid nimbus]

here is Robby the Robot

[balmy dagger]

I barely post in here. Can you let me off with... a warning? unbuttons top button

[cerulean elk]

But I don’t get why people get mad when they get content on the topic they love. Not like it’s a booming subreddit 😂

[balmy dagger]

And it's not your fault there's literally NOBODY matching your output. Get good, chumps.

[cerulean elk]

Comes with the territory. People want to be angry. So let them. Must be a miserable way to live. Meanwhile we’re living it up in the FPGA glory days!

[zinc dew]

Being angry at @cerulean elk is what keeps me going every day

[cerulean elk]

It’s all you’ve got left after the ED set in!

(Oh wait you told me that in confidence. Whoops)

[elfin depot]

and the pointer finger of MiSTer!

[fair stump]

Pointer cat*

[cerulean elk]

And sometimes dog

But a new pointer is here soon

It’s in videos now. Just not aired yet

[zinc dew]

lmao omg

that’s gross lol

[cerulean elk]

🤣

Nah @zinc dew is my favorite Robby here. He’s ok in my book

[lament escarp]

@cerulean elk you saw that steam deck oled? Gonna get one?

[cerulean elk]

Prolly not. If it has a new APU I’d bite but it won’t have any extra performance so not for me

[lament escarp]

I don't have one yet, guess oled would be the way to go now.

[cerulean elk]

I did pre order that ambernic saturn deal though. Cheap and weird

[cerulean elk]

100% if you don’t own one that’s the one to get

Smaller nanometer process, OLED, better battery

[dusty tusk]

It looks like a really good mid gen refresh, but definitely not worth upgrading for most people

With a boost to 90hz, hopefully VRR is in the cards for Deck 2.

[languid dune]

I love that the implication here is that there is another Robby out there that is your true favorite Robby. They're just not part of this community!

[uncut gyro]

uhhh, the LPDDR5 RAM is 20% higher and you can now run DX12 raytracing. Control was hitting 30fps in large stretches with medium RT reflections on.

original deck's main bottleneck, regardless of mucking with clocks and TDP, was memory bandwidth (and latency). new model is actually a more balanced system, it'll be interesting to see what OC/TDP tweaks can get it up to now when plugged in.

The Lenovo device really nails the memory bandwidth by using LPDDR5X 7500, but that's a Windows device with a newer chipset.

[wraith estuary]

N64 core on mister is pretty sweet

Got a 36 inch JVC D Series CRT the other day. Finally got it dialed in and I'm going to be trying out the core tonight with the composite output.

[cerulean elk]

Haha it’s my fav way to talk. Ambiguous complimentary insults 🤣

[zenith orchid]

the original hardware has remarkably good composite output, to the point where you hardly see a difference with s-video. wonder if even that will be the same experience on the core

[wraith estuary]

Huh. I thought I heard the quality of the composite output of the n64 added to the vaseline effect that it's known for.

Wish I had original hardware to compare to.

[zenith orchid]

I think the difference between s-video and composite on original hardware is a very subtle difference in color clarity. and rbg is just as subtle between itself and s-video

so RGB modding was never much of an improvement over s-video

analog output indeed added to the vaseline effect, but that aspect was an effect all retro consoles had

I believe the root cause of the vaseline effect was that they had to limit color depth, which made dither and dedither necessary

if we can replace that with 24-bit rendering, that would make such a profound difference

[knotty zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/feel-like-a-sir-feel-like-a-lord-feel-like-sir-gif-22251304

[orchid nimbus]

"say when"

[knotty zealot]

myes, myees. indeeeeed sir.

[oblique crow]

I just lit it on fire.

[viral portal]

Haha

[topaz otter]

Svideo looks sharper to me on real hardware

it seems like it sharpens up text and makes it more readable also

[chrome quest]

With my PAL console, S-video (not properly supported but hacked into a SCART connector with comprised colour), is certainly sharper than composite. Not by a huge amount, but makes Stadium text noticeably more legible. MiSTer composite is about as good to my eyes. Maybe marginally worse, but with perfect colour, and non of the odd glitchy lines the old N64 has gotten.

[weary palm]

Gotten? It's always been a bit glitchy.

[cerulean elk]

@hollow rune

[deep beacon]

I grabbed a d series too but I’m not familiar with how to dial in settings or what even to look for using 240p test suite. Do you have a link to a guide I can follow? Set looks great as is but I’d like to see what I can tweak just because

[orchid nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/panda-cart-shopping-grocery-push-gif-17715527

@hollow rune

[cerulean elk]

Drunk hot part birthday lunch with friends

[zenith orchid]

sharper? really? with all the vaseline I'm surprised you can tell that

the only difference I see is the color contrast is slightly improved

[cerulean elk]

Panda heavy night @hollow rune

[chilly ember]

What's up with the bean milk dessert?

[cerulean elk]

Best one yet

[chilly ember]

I hope this game is playable by Christmas

[topaz otter]

the tv makes a huge difference

i have a flat crt that was made in the last few years before they stopped making CRTs altogether

its got an excellent digital comb filter and svideo looks about as good as it can possibly get, it also has RGB but it can't do 480p, only 480i

[vapid moat]

Just you know why...

[teal citrus]

https://vxtwitter.com/NostalgiaFolder/status/1722644716171493575

[zenith orchid]

I think ypbpr was the only analog standard that can support 480p

at least in US

[ebon kindle]

First time playing N64 in years, godamn I forget how bad composite looks

[chilly ember]

What brand of crt?

[ebon kindle]

It's an Apex brand, it has a samsung tube in it

[chilly ember]

Samsung might be ok. Always hear mixed opinions on them. I only have a little one with composite and it's ok

[ebon kindle]

Also might be because I'm using a really shitty third party composite cable

*that barely works

[chilly ember]

Might not help haha

[ebon kindle]

It's a really good tube imo, on S-video it's amazing lol

[versed cairn]

The colors and contrast look wrong. But it might just be the camera

Composite n64 is pretty ugly too

[ebon kindle]

Yea on camera looks way off

[chilly ember]

Always a pain trying to take pictures of crt's. I think the worst crt I have is probably a 90s magnavox

[stiff condor]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moiré_pattern

[cerulean elk]

The funniest thing is the more accurate the core gets the “worse” it actually looks lol

[ebon kindle]

Does the n64 core have the same shit performance in Banjo Tooie as it does on the original hardware?

[chilly ember]

Yes

[ebon kindle]

Amazing

[marble cargo]

Yes I can confirm. Go in Terrydactyland and the game will have a fucking stroke when looking at the mountain.

Also Atlantis in Jolly Rodger's Lagoon. My god does the game quickly tank in that area.

[ebon kindle]

You can't escape the lag can you

[jaunty junco]

are you gonna tell it hes holding it wrong?

[weary palm]

iQue core when

[stiff condor]

I want to save that but I can't

Is it suppose to be a meme

[solid crest]

It is a play on this meme

For awhile a lot of people thought N64 wouldn’t be possible on MiSTer so they made the above meme

[stiff condor]

Ok that's what I figured

[quasi storm]

It's NOT possible. I still don't believe it.

[stiff condor]

Do you have the image

I can't save the sticker

[stiff condor]

Thanks!

[quasi storm]

It's actually kinda humorous. Now that the core has surfaced, some people are trying to ala carte what won't work on it.

[weary palm]

Have anyone tried getting into Animal Crossing's NES games? ^^

Would be funneh to see

[chilly ember]

I thought the N64 version didn't have the nes games?

[solid crest]

I tried Neon64 (NES emulator) on the core. It doesn’t work yet. Base on the error it threw up, I am assuming it needs TLB

[stiff condor]

I just searched, apparently it does

[chilly ember]

Hmm I don't know why I'm thinking it doesn't then haha.

[quasi storm]

I like how you worded that. It's like you went to load up the emulator and the N64 core was all like...

[trim seal]

Is it worth mentioning that a patched Banjo-Tooie shows the E4000000 error or is that a waste of time atm?

Still seems to work though.

[solid crest]

Wouldn’t hurt to report it

[trim seal]

It's a surprisingly pretty game, given the hardware.

[weary palm]

https://github.com/Cuyler36/ACSE/releases

Will explore when I have some free time

[solid crest]

Was the GameCube animal crossing running an N64 emulator or whatever like the GameCube version of OoT?

[chilly ember]

Nah It was a proper port

Japan even got exclusive version on Gamecube that has more content than the North American/pal version

[wanton sun]

are you sure you are on version 11 09? i tried and don't see it

[trim seal]

Sincerest apologies, that was the 1107

Also using a patched Banjo-Tooie that removes the copy protection, for what that's worth.
Will report back shortly.

[trim seal]

Yup ok, not showing up on 1109. Sorry for the distraction, Captain.

[wanton sun]

all good, no work for me is never bad news 😉

[surreal basalt]

Does anyone know how I can disable down-c bringing up the core menu?

[solid crest]

Remap your controller in MiSTer Main and change the menu button

[surreal basalt]

i'll try it, thanks

[zinc dew]

Man, nearly 12 hours later and I can finally check today’s test build out.

@wanton sun You’re aware of this one, right? Killer Instinct Gold freezes on match start.

I got Error Code 0080000 and according to Vampier’s site it’s this:

One of the DDR3 requesters wants to write or read outside of RDRAM

[versed cairn]

It’s a tlb game

[brisk edge]

Rare really liked to use TLB it seems lol

[worldly quartz]

is the game any good?

Like after the remake/new follow up on xbox, never heard about it again

[languid dune]

Yeah, KI Gold is excellent.

For the most part, it's better to play the arcade version, which is KI 2. But especially at the time, Gold was the only way to play a version of KI 2 at home.

[wanton sun]

Yes, i checked that in my emulator, TLB is used as soon as the match starts

[vapid hawk]

morning team

[chilly ember]

Killer instinct arcade hyped the ultra 64 so hard with its intro

[marble cargo]

I'm guessing Jet Force Gemini also uses TLB? It always crashes after the file select screen.

Kind of interesting that it displays debug information when it crashes specifying how it crashed.

[chilly ember]

The everdrive patch can get a little farther if you start an already created save but it still crashes pretty quickly

I posted a video a little bit ago, with like 30 seconds of gameplay. Latest build doesn't do anything different

Video I posted

[hasty musk]

do you get the same Error?
PAL Version

[quasi storm]

Wow! You actually managed to get two fighters to show? Grats! All I ever get is two Orchids, and a crash. One time I ran the game, and was able to move my character sprite around for quite some time before the crash. Went to pull out my phone to record and it died.

The movement was so goofy. I didn't feel like any character at all😆

[chrome quest]

I've had that error or variants of it on PAL Jet Force Gemini. Listed in the testing spreadsheet.
As far as I'm aware, Jet Force is not TLB, unless someone knows better. The ultimate verification is Robert with the emulator check, but from comparitively questionable checks with Project 64 emulation, disabling TLB and seeing if the game still worked, it didn't seem to use it.
Banjo 2 and Jet Force both have some more unique copy protection code, could be that is the issue for those games, and/or something else entirely

[hollow rune]

@orchid nimbus @cerulean elk Some might say that there is too much panda appreciation in this world, and I am glad to see that this channel seeks to prove everyone wrong.

[odd vector]

I think my top 3 games I want to play on the core are TLB 😔 Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon, Jet Force Gemini and Bomberman 64. So patience is of a virtue

[safe robin]

Goldeneye 👀

[chilly ember]

Goldeneye and conkers bad fur day are my two

[odd vector]

After the XBLA Version, I don‘t really have the itch for goldeneye on 64 anymore 😅 but absolutely a nice addition

[lament escarp]

I don't feel excluded at all, no worries.

[lament escarp]

No paper mario?

[chilly ember]

That one would be good too, it's been a few years since I've done a playthrough

[lament escarp]

Never played a paper mario in my life. Would play 1k year door but wanna play the first one first.

[chilly ember]

Thousand year old door is maybe a little bit better in ways but they're both pretty good

It's been even longer since I finished thousand year old door though, I got that on release and that was the last time I finished it

[zenith orchid]

the game uses TLB to handle fighter inputs, whether player or CPU

The way I deduced this is by going into practice mode

so the second fighter isn't controlled at all. but as soon as you try to control yours, it hangs

[hollow rune]

I am so sorry Quirrin. I know you are for the cause. I just scrolled too fast

There are a multitude of panda supporters here

[chilly ember]

Checks out mostly. Sometimes you can trip your character around

[zenith orchid]

What the heck? how did you do that??

[chilly ember]

Lol I don't know

[zenith orchid]

I'm gonna have to experiment with that tomorrow, this is too trippy

[balmy dagger]

This is how KI Gold behaves for me as well.

[compact depot]

No TLB no glory 😌

I still love the impossible core though

OoT was pretty much everything I wanted

[chrome quest]

I love that some TLB games already work. It's a mystery.
We're already so spoiled for choice! Let Robert cook I say. Still have to beat Holy Magic Century

[compact depot]

It’s a MiSTery

[knotty zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/terry-crews-muppets-making-wine-wine-grapes-gif-25590117

[brisk drum]

Jingle dese nuts ho!

[knotty zealot]

HA

[zinc dew]

Thanks for the explanation!

[orchid nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/marah-panda-marah-kesel-sebel-emosi-gif-12789170

[hollow rune]

One shouldn't park in disabled parking spots cause it makes people's lives who need that help harder. On top of that, this is a punishment you should expect.

[orchid nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/frustrated-panda-anger-gif-13733902

[neat sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/jjk-jjk0-jujutsu-kaisen-panda-jjk-geto-gif-23677202

[compact lark]

My mister can't recognize the Z button of my N64 style USB controller.
Any clues how to trigger my mister to recognize it?

[cerulean elk]

It was a panda heavy day yesterday. They were everywhere

[oblique remnant]

Did you define the N64 buttons in the core menu?

[compact lark]

I tried both in main mister to set the joystick buttons and I tried defining the N64 buttons in the core menu
It won't recognize the Z-button of my controller

[weary palm]

https://youtu.be/RfSHTze48nw

Planet Nintendo 64

[marble cargo]

The Nintendo Neptune is my favorite console.

[chrome quest]

Might not be the issue, but a frequent one is not finishing mapping the controller in main outside the N64 core. You need to be sure to go through every prompt, using the skip this individual button assignment if needed as you go, until it spits you back out to the main menu again. If you don't completely go through that process, cores often have issues seeing buttons

[weary palm]

You want it to overwrite the previous setup even though you cancel it?

[vapid hawk]

is that what happens? if you exit early any prior bindings for those controls you didn't map remain?

i would of guessed they should all be nulled

[wanton sun]

New testbuild will make every memory read 1 clock cycle faster, no matter if from cache or ram or IO register

upper one is old, lower is new. You can see that another step is required to reach N64 values, will do that the next days

when this is done i will wait for some days to reveal regressions from this change. If all worked well i can start with the last missing CPU function...

[vapid hawk]

is biohazard2 a missing cpu function?

[wanton sun]

i think it's a game 🤣

[vapid hawk]

😄

[wanton sun]

sorry, i don't know why it crashes

currently i'm mostly interested in things that worked before, but don't anymore

typically hard bugs or crashes i would assume with such a CPU change

[weary palm]

I know the last missing CPU function! I know! Me!

[vapid hawk]

the last missing cpu function is the friends we made along the way

[wanton sun]

well, there are more CPU functions not implemented, but i think none of them are really needed

[tender pine]

N64 core via MiSTer and 4 way zoom under TV's picture options. SO much real estate 👍

[neat sierra]

It renders Mario’s nipples you just can’t see them because he wears a shirt

[weary palm]

I'm fine with a Nintendo 63⅓.

[oblique remnant]

the zombies crashed the party without giving an error message

[wanton sun]

it's not new that this game crashes, is it?

[oblique remnant]

nope it's totally random I guess

[marble cargo]

Quickly testing out different games.

[fair stump]

Random question, @wanton sun, do you know why the error message moves up and down the screen during transitions in mia hamm soccer and why it seems to be the only game I've ever seen do that?

[wanton sun]

probably because the game changes the resolution

i tried to make them fit on all resolution a game would use, but i didn't optimize that fully

[daring meteor]

The last CPU function... Must be Little Endian

[fair stump]

Just for reference so everyone can see the error message moving around. Thought it was interesting

[wanton sun]

ah yes, the game plays with the VI registers to make the screen smaller

[fair stump]

That squishing effect was very broken looking some builds ago

Had no idea what effect they were even going for at the time haha

[wanton sun]

the overlay always starts after v_start + some pixels

yes, before the VI change, every VI register change would have caused a different input resolution for the scaler, probably making it freak out

[daring meteor]

Nice, fairly short commit for this feature

Is the second one the one that requires the bigger mux?

[native mesa]

That's blasphemy to me. There are some widescreen hack though that are less blasphemous haha

[fair stump]

channel blocked

[plush summit]

I would honestly play the GBA THPS' than N64

[tender pine]

No. That's what's so cool. It's still holding the correct aspect ratio. Think of it more like a 8x crop.

[oblique remnant]

Id rather like to have a Waverace in 30fps...

[mellow path]

I put so many hours into THPS2 on a gba emulator back in the early aughts. I didn't have broadband back then so pirating the PC version was off the table.

[tender pine]

Just think of the few dropped frames as those choppy waves having that effect.

[marble cargo]

Not noticing anything strange yet with the new build. Anyone else getting any regressions?

[wanton sun]

no, that was the one here. The second one should cost nearly no ressources, only brain 🙂

[fair stump]

I loaded up five or so games and saw no issues while browsing around

[wanton sun]

i will not complain if everything still works fine 🙂

[chilly pivot]

I hope I'm not bothering you. Has the WCW NWO Revenge intro been fixed? 🙃

[wanton sun]

you cannot bother me with this, because i don't think i started a single wrestling game on the core yet. All info that they are fixed i got from this channel, haha

so sorry, i don't even know which ones there are, hopefully someone else knows

[chilly pivot]

No problem. The core is amazing 😍😊👍👍👍

@wanton sun All good. Just forget about it; carry on with your plans. 😊👍

[wanton sun]

yes, i know, they are kind of popular, it's just not my cup of tea, which is fine. Everyone has their favorites

[tropic sand]

@wanton sun new build fab so far in my testing.

BTW if you need a load of E0000004's a lot of trainers don't load or crash eg...

[wanton sun]

do they work on emulators?

i could imagine they use some shadow registers of the cpu to store their stuff and those might not exist in the core

at least that is how some PSX cheat stuff worked

[tropic sand]

I'll try and do a few random trainer compares with Ares tomorrow, to rule out ones that just don't work

[chrome quest]

Not a new core issue, but a curious question on behaviour with FIFA 64. I can't recall sharing, though you may already know.
For quite a while, FIFA 64 has been "No Boot", E0000010 (was E0000040 weeks ago). However, with "Data Cache: Off", it boots just fine for weeks and weeks. Entirely playable from there, can instantly put the cache back ON again after boot to fix performance.
I recall you had FIFA 64 as TLB, so perhaps this is just a TLB oddity

[wanton sun]

E10 would be FPU error, can't see a relation to TLB there

maybe i can take a look the next days

probably some timing effect that only triggers with cache

[fair stump]

Was it mario tennis, I think, that will show the first splash with data cache off but not on. Sort of similar

[chrome quest]

Thanks. I'd been relucant to share it as it was in a TLB list from you a fair while ago. But yeah, did consider maybe this isn't TLB related.

[wanton sun]

one example how it could be tlb related: two different processes, one can live without tlb, the other cannot. With cache the second one, that will crash, comes to life earlier

i can just check in my emulator if tlb is accessed at the time the game crashes

if yes, i will leave it there until it's implemented, if not i can research it

[daring meteor]

Well, does it lower clock by much?

[hollow rune]

Are we just testing for regressions?

I might have some time today.

[zenith orchid]

ah, we've reached the cycle accuracy testing phase? sweet!

I didn't think we'd get there so soon

[weary palm]

I made something. My first ROM.

first one booting it gets a lolly

[marble cargo]

Christmas is coming in a month, and not a single game boots. 😭

[fair stump]

That will now join all the other n64 homebrew. Years from now someone is going to be very confused when they load it up for testing

[weary palm]

I made this in the hope that we can get autoloading ("boot2.rom" etc.) like the rest of the cores. (Is it easy to add?)

I don't like landing on a black screen 😉

[hollow rune]

My mom wants me to play New Zealand Story before testing... She doesn't even like it. She just recognized while update all ran.

So wait, will rumble work on Switch controllers now? Someone said something something Herbal but now it is in update all

Kernal*

[daring meteor]

That game will be jfg

[hollow rune]

Polaris Snocross still freezing

What is the form most regressions have come in?

[chrome quest]

Have there even been any regressions found yet?

[daring meteor]

Hopefully today's update and the next one have no regressions

[cerulean elk]

whats the story on today's core? Spending the afternoon capturing the best console...3DO

@languid dune its happening!

[daring meteor]

A CPU update

[hollow rune]

Just started testing

[daring meteor]

Part 1 of load stall

Should make stuff a little faster

Ideally no bugs

[cerulean elk]

Fun. Seems like I’m viewer request test vids until we get TLB. It’s so far along new cores don’t really add anything “viewable”

[daring meteor]

Yeah, p much

Not much to see until TLB (Possibly the bug fix with the broken games but I don't think really anyone cares about most of them)

[weary palm]

@daring meteor Is your avatar an ant or something?

[daring meteor]

Robotic Beemoth

(Extra mammal ears included)

[hollow rune]

Well Chameleon Twist just froze. I've played it dozens of times on the various cores and I don't think I ever saw that. Will replay to that point

[daring meteor]

There was a crash reported on it

[chrome quest]

Found an improvement since at least 1029 core. Nintama Rantarou 64 Game Gallery (Japan), still crashes in game mode, but would also crash in seconds left idle on main menu. Running for minutes now and still no menu crash

[hollow rune]

Oh that was me lol

I now remember it crashing on final boss

[daring meteor]

lmao

[knotty zealot]

it's not bioharzard. it's resident evil.

you're not japanese

[vapid hawk]

no i really mean biohazard, resident evil doesn't have this crash

[knotty zealot]

you're not allowed to call it biohazard. i forbid it.

as does robby. i talked to him and he's onboard with it.

[hollow rune]

Wait, what happened to the Snake?!

[chilly ember]

Christmas edition

[knotty zealot]

halloween is over. it's christmas now. get with the times.

[hollow rune]

What happens for Earth Day?

You could be ladybug basket!!

[languid dune]

Oh shiiiiit! 3DO is back on the channel!? 🤘

[cerulean elk]

started capturing series today

[languid dune]

Nice! Definitely looking forward to it!

[cerulean elk]

road rash and way of the warrior are captured. Eight more to go

[hollow rune]

What is the best 3DO game?

[languid dune]

Gotta get that Crash 'n Burn in there! First and only game at launch!

[cerulean elk]

yes that may appear

[chilly ember]

Plumbers don't wear ties

[hollow rune]

🙄

[knotty zealot]

the 3do IS the road rash

it's gonna be roadkill when i'm through with it

how to kill chat 101

my work here is done

[orchid nimbus]

"Basket Snake's tip to be annoying"

[knotty zealot]

like'n subscribe

[orchid nimbus]

Hate and unsubscribe

[hollow rune]

I am Brian 64ing right now

[fair stump]

Big 3DO says they'll sue anyone that posts videos of their games

[hollow rune]

This is sad parody... Oh Nintendo...

What determines Brian's staff damage output?

[fair stump]

"Please do not show more than 2 minutes of uncut Doctor Hauzer gameplay or you go to jail" - Big 3DO

[cerulean elk]

lol nintendo sucks

Best core, worst company

[chilly ember]

Just the attack stat. The agility stat is raised by just running. Best way to raise it is to get Brian running in circles then open the osd so he keeps running and leave it over night

[hollow rune]

We are watching him run like this in front of the castle at Dodoran

You definitely can't watch too long

That's some Kawazu silliness

[dusty tusk]

5x zoom is going to be sooo nice

[hollow rune]

Brian's world has the noisiest doors.

[dusty tusk]

5x zoom crop at 1080p is one of those features that is so well done on MiSTer that I instantly miss it on other platforms

[quaint copper]

do all save files need to be in .sav format? I have a bunch of .eep and .fla files

unsure how to handle .mpk save files too (and .srm)

[fair stump]

Just attach one of these to your tv

[rose jolt]

I'm testing the core after getting a usb solution for connecting my og n64 controller

played some mario kart, mario 64, f zero, shadows of the empire, ocarina of time on my CRT (the same CRT I use with my n64)

all I can say is...oh my god

awesome, awesome work

the impossible core omg

[hollow rune]

How do you do it? I don't understand the benefit

I was testing and got too into Brian, which is quite boring so I am not sure why I am playing

[weary perch]

mister wants N64 saves in .sav regardless of type but they are concatenated per-game. so if a game has onboard saves as well as controller pak support, it'll include the onboard save as well as 4 controller paks in the .sav for that game. i haven't been able to actually import saves into the core since cpak support was added, but prior to that i was able to load some saves by changing e.g. .srm to .sav. the current core really begs for a small utility that can combine/split out the save files as well as byte-swapping or whatever else is required, but to my knowledge such a thing does not yet exist. there's a bit of additional detail here, mostly revolving around transfer pak saves which are also concatenated in the core currently: https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?t=7297

[quaint copper]

are the details of those formats specified? i would not mind writing such at tool myself, if it does not yet exist 👀

(also thank you for the reply!)

[vapid hawk]

there isn't much too it the bytes are just packed together

[quaint copper]

Oh, just saw the thread. this is super useful!

[weary perch]

Robert could provide some details, perhaps someone else here could. i tried looking at it myself in HxD but the word- or byte-swapping involved did my head in

[vapid hawk]

if you know the extents you can split it

[weary perch]

it wasn't as trivial as just putting the everdrive saves together, there is byte-swapping involved also

[quaint copper]

byte-swapping is no problem. have written an SRAM editor for Zelda: ALTTP before!

[weary perch]

let us know if you do write a tool, it would not go amiss

[quaint copper]

thank you for the information! i'll try playing around with the info in this thread 🙏

[vapid hawk]

yeah its been discussed a fair bit in here, look for comments by @daring meteor i think he's looked into it

[daring meteor]

Yes hello ask me anything

AFAIK srm, fla, eep are just file extensions, so just renaming should make it work

[quaint copper]

Will be sure to hit you up if I have any questions; Thank you! Gonna give this a shot this weekend

[pallid moth]

After putting the mister unstable file on root I only get pink screen now

even tried to delete the mister file and downlaod again via update all but now the pink screen continues and no osd menu, what can I do to fix this?

[quaint copper]

actually, how do we use .mpk save files in conjunction with .eep save files (renamed to .sav)?

[fair stump]

I would check to make sure the file is just named MiSTer and that the SD card is inserted all the way

[dusty tusk]

Some random guy on YouTube made a video on it. The appeal is it gives you much more screen real estate while cutting off like 4 pixels at the top and bottom that would usually be caught by over scan anyway.
https://youtu.be/Jf_dXDnFZQU?si=XSBHqpNv4lDlwvTA

[fair stump]

#mister-hardware message this person mentions a pink screen as well and it having to do with your ini possibly

[dusty tusk]

5x crop isn't in n64 yet, but I use it all the time for other cores

[vapid hawk]

it varies by game how good it is

[dusty tusk]

Yeah, not as good for arcade machines that don't really have over scan

But SNES generally stuck to the over scan "rules"

[knotty zealot]

frees your hands so you can get down to work

just saying

i'm not saying anything. i'm just saying.

[cerulean elk]

that guy sucks

[languid dune]

I know right? I heard he worships bacon for some reason.

[cobalt junco]

I'm a fan of Esoterica and a sucker when you post the N64 content. It is fascinating to discover the arcade space through your channel and to see games that I have never encountered before. You always provide insightful and informative commentary on the games you showcase. Thank you for your excellent work.

[chrome quest]

I don't care what everybody else says, that guy is alright

[balmy dagger]

He's ok. 😜

[quaint copper]

oh! that is a surprisingly very simple process

i think i understand the process now. i will attempt to implement this in C# w/imgui (unless something else is better?)

i have only tested this with pokemon stadium 2... will probably want people to also test the tool with other games like pokemon stadium/mario golf: i assume it's the exact same process (https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?t=7297)

[vapid hawk]

python might be neater so it could run on mister itself

[quaint copper]

ah okay, good to know. i'll do it in python then 👍

[cerulean elk]

He might suck but I heard he’s pretty good looking and he’s packing heat 😂

[chilly ember]

The heat

[cerulean elk]

Man things really are slow in here lately lol

[weary palm]

Multiplayer Quake 1 on N64 isn't a nice experience

[weary palm]

What would happen if you put that in sunlight?

[weary palm]

perfection

[chilly ember]

Got a soft lock in animal forest, first time that's happened

Now resetti is gonna be mad at me lol

[worn delta]

No error code?

[chilly ember]

No error code 😦

[worn delta]

Weird

Did you take a save state?

A save rather

[chilly ember]

Could be the hack, I know it can be buggy. I would save state if I could

I can make a copy of the save but it might be a random crash that would be hard to reproduce

[thorn flax]

it's just the patch

it's sadly for this sorta reason Culyer moved onto a decomp of thr entire game so he can patch it properly

[chilly ember]

Yea I kinda thinking that was the case

[thorn flax]

it's something to do with trying to display too much text

among other variables

[ruby falcon]

Happy Friday everyone!

[thorn flax]

happy Friday right back at ya

[uncut gyro]

What game is this from?

[ruby falcon]

Wonder Project J2

[compact lark]

I tried multiple times. In the first place, mapping the controller in main doesn't prompt for the Z-button, so I tried pressing the Z-button for all prompts in the hope that mister can recognize it, but no luck.

[zinc dew]

8BitDo?

[compact lark]

It's a no-brand N64 usb controller.

[zinc dew]

Can you put it into Xinput?

[worn delta]

Ah that's a shame, but good to know. Do you know if he is actively working on a decomp and how far along it is?

[thorn flax]

there isn't a percentage but they have a very active discord

both of the gamecube games and the n64 are the targets

once decomped it'll be so easy to drop in the text files. and even things like strip out the japanese keyboard for a western style one.

my pipedream idea is for added support for the n64 keyboard.

make typing out the messages a breeze

[brisk edge]

That'll be nice, and it could make porting over some of the removed holidays and stuff possible to the US GC version

[thorn flax]

they could potentially port over features from the gamecube one

[worn delta]

Yeah, it is things like this that make me hope the core and other emulators will support the keyboard, so it is available for projects like this. It seems a bit chicken and egg with keyboard support where no homebrew/patches support it because no emulators do, and no emulators do because there are no ROMs using it

I do wonder how difficult it would be to add in the protocols and how much space it would take up

[thorn flax]

I only know it to have worked with the randnet addon

but no idea if understanding the keyboard is pure software or in the n64 proper

[worn delta]

Yeah all it seems to have worked with is radnet and no homebrew, although it could be good if someone could make a simple ROM that just lets you type so you can see it working.

I think this is the info needed to implement the keyboard in an emulator

https://sites.google.com/site/consoleprotocols/home/nintendo-joy-bus-documentation/n64-specific/randnet-keyboard

[vapid moat]

Wideboy 64?

[orchid nimbus]

sexyboy64

[chilly ember]

I want the Nintendo 64 gameboy advance cable :p

[vapid moat]

This game's looking cool

[weary palm]

I want that too. *waiting patiently

[vapid hawk]

don't think it ever came out. there's a gamecube one

[chilly ember]

I know it never existed for n64 but it sounds cool :p

I had the link cable for Gamecube way back when animal crossing was new and it used it for a few games. I still have it lol

[weary palm]

does he say that phrase in the original japanese version as well?

[chilly ember]

I have no idea 😣. You would think not

Lol wut

[weary palm]

only cold poo

[pliant valve]

Maybe they meant to ask if it was "hot shit"?

Though I doubt the idiom translates.

[stiff condor]

I got some cool e-reader cards for animal crossing

[modern sleet]

@wanton sun Hi Robert, just curious on the frequency chosen for the VI module, do you know why you cut it to 2 decimal points and not to 48.681812Mhz?

[weary palm]

Did you enter "poo" as your favorite dish or something? 😉

[stiff condor]

Does anyone know anything about this SNAX64 thing? Does it exist?

[chilly ember]

Haha if only I did. The translation is funny sometimes

[viral portal]

Still in development last I heard

[stiff condor]

I'm curious how it is different from SNAX

[manic basin]

It supports four controllers, for one. Now, if only I had friends....

[stiff condor]

That's what I was thinking. I'll never use it

[wanton sun]

mostly because i found different sources for it. While the clock generator itself has that frequency, it also depends on the crystal. E.g. N64brew lists the frequency as measured 48.62Mhz. With a difference in real world being so huge (0.06), even more digits would have no impact. But i wouldn't mind to change it if you think it makes sense. If i calculated it correct, it would mean a difference of around 1 second every 4 minutes

maybe i can write a simple test that just outputs a counter on the screen, so I can compare the mister core against NTSC/PAL consoles

(the counter would be based on the refresh rate only, so directly coming from the video clock)

[manic basin]

Two controller Episode 1 Racer....yeah, that's all I got. Hehehe.

[hasty musk]

@wanton sun is there any chance when you are allmost finals atge of the core, that you can implement something that other rumble controllers work?

8bitdo modkit n64 doesnt work for example

[wanton sun]

this has nothing to do with the core, it's fully mister main/linux

the core delivers rumble values regardless of which controller you use

[vapid moat]

No hot shit here.

[hollow rune]

I think I know this person

[vagrant ivy]

he's just a shill for Nintendo ignore him

[hollow rune]

I have very extremely mixed feelings about this. I will need to consult my wizard artifacts

The NES definitely looks lovely

[zinc dew]

I would use a different controller solution if you need rumble right now.

[elfin depot]

Releasing soon. I've been giving a prototype a test and it works wonderfully. 4 Player, Rumble, Single Player Dual Controller Pod Racing, it just plugs in and works as up to 4 factory controllers would.

[zinc dew]

What if my controllers are just regular and not factory ones?

[elfin depot]

Lucky for you I have several "I can't belive it's not ~~Butter ~~Nintendo" Offbrand controllers and they seem to just plug in and work as well.

The Saffun Wireless even work with the included N64 adapters if you for some reason ran out of USB ports to use on the MiSTer 🙂

[zinc dew]

well I was just trying to make a bad dad joke but that’s good to know too lol

[elfin depot]

And the new premium 3d printed case is looking 👌

[native mesa]

Dongleitis

[elfin depot]

I usually only have it plugged in when playing the N64 core, otherwise the MT32 is plugged in, so doesn't really bother me, goes into a nice box with the rest on my AV Rack when not in use. Just like wrapping up all the controllers when your done 🙂

[snow mulch]

did that adapter come out good?
4 player n64 on the mister would be cool. Does 4 player llpa work?
Does mt32 pi work with that? with 2 players still?

[elfin depot]

Mine has the prototype case with no Logo, the screenshot is from Pockchops Discord as he gets closer to getting them done and ready.
You have to unplug the Mt32 to use the SNAC port, it's just the USB3 looking port on the side, one or the other.
not sure what llpa means?

[worn delta]

Do we know yet if the Denshe De Go Controller can be used on SNAC/SNAX? VMU also?

I am wondering if they will just work, or protocols need added for them to

[elfin depot]

VMU? I have the VRU I can test, that only works with one game right?

@zinc dew would be the person to test the Denshe De Go controller 😉

[hasty kayak]

Need to hope / wait for someone to do a Driver for those Controllers. I have an 8bitdo Mod Kit and just use it in D Mode for now.

[final walrus]

what settings did you change? I started the game with the defaults, played for an hour and then got bummed cause the game would just hang at the save screen

[worn delta]

Sorry, meant VRU, getting mixed up with Dreamcast there

US released VRU works with Hey You Pikachu and the translation patched Denshe De Go, but if are able to check there are specific ports it needs to be in, I think it is 4 for Denshe De Go

[elfin depot]

looks like same for the mic:

Looks like not yet

[wanton sun]

currently only commands 00/FF(info) ,01 (state) ,02(pak read) and 03(pak write) are supported. VRU needs commands 09-0D

[snow mulch]

snac llpa (whatever it's actually called)

[wanton sun]

in theory the pif could just send all commands to SNAC, assuming this should work, but it's not tested

[elfin depot]

Awesome! Thanks for the explanation.

[worn delta]

Do you know if the Denshe De Go co controller should work?

[wanton sun]

those should already work: Controller, Mouse, Densha de Go, Dance Pad, Fishing Rod, Transfer, Controller, Bio Sensor, and Rumble Paks

if @elfin depot wants to try, i can make a testbuild that sends all commands to SNAC

maybe VRU works already then

[elfin depot]

I'd be happy to try the VRU

[wanton sun]

give me 20 minutes

will be a testbuild that only works properly with snac however, as the emulated gamepad module probably just hangs up if it receives unknown commands

if it works, i can make it so that those extended commands are only send out for snac

[zinc dew]

I thought I had a VRU but I can’t find it

[stiff condor]

I think mine is in storage

[wanton sun]

the amount of people with VRU and 4 player snac adapter is probably quite limited

[worn delta]

That would be ace

Also ace that mouse works, would it be hard to implement usb mouse support?

[elfin depot]

At this point, but I imagine as the core gets completed 4 player snax might be more prevelent

[worn delta]

Once I can buy 4 player SNAC in the UK I am all over that

[zinc dew]

I will find everyone with 4 player SNAX and a Densha de go controller. Then we will organize and terrorize all FPGA communities clockwork orange style except like not horrible but just annoying in a friendly sort of way.

[worn delta]

If you needed a US VRU Robert I am sure someone could mail you one, they are cheap to get in the US last I saw

[wanton sun]

mouse is pointless without additional buttons. A good mouse implementeation would rather use mouse values as analog stick so RTS and shooters are playable and e.g. keyboard can be used for the remaining buttons

[worn delta]

The 64DD conversions should work with N64 mouse

[zinc dew]

Mouse is just analog stick

[wanton sun]

then even more useful to exchange analog with mouse values

i'm slightly annoyed today as my CPU change was useless and broke all kind of things, so i might try some other things 🙂

sometimes i need to step back from one thing for some days and try again with fresh mind

[zinc dew]

Or a rather mouse also sends analog stick commands. It’s basically usable with all N64 games. I think left click is A and right click is B button,

[wanton sun]

i think the shooter games and rts could be very playable with keyboard and mouse

[zinc dew]

Yeah here we go, right at the beginning - https://youtu.be/YLVjon_23V8?feature=shared

[wanton sun]

e.g. c buttons as WSAD and mouse for a+b or z+b

[zinc dew]

Confirms what I just said

[wanton sun]

hope it works

[zinc dew]

@elfin depot Remember to talk in a high pitched voice to Pikachu for it to work. No I am not joking.

[elfin depot]

boots with no errors so far!

Works!

[wanton sun]

great 🙂

[desert crow]

👍 nice, figured that would work once the commands were sent

[zinc dew]

@elfin depot right now - https://youtu.be/uyV0IVItlM4?feature=shared

[modern sleet]

MiSTer64 - Check

I dont know how accurate this table is though haha

[daring meteor]

Aren't those emulated periphials tho

[elfin depot]

Can't hear you, playing Hey You, Pikachu! ATM

[zinc dew]

[oblique remnant]

needs a super fine pitched voice I guess 😄

[elfin depot]

You were correct, it definatly likes a higher pitch voice otherwise pikachu looks at you all confused. Pretty cute game actually.

[wanton sun]

so i guess i should make this a standard feature in the next build: all extended commands send out via SNAC

[elfin depot]

Yeah seems to work great! Thanks again, I've had this microphone for a while, found it at a thrift store but never had the game to try.

[zinc dew]

voice recognition was super early and really simple so it’s just fine tuned for a specific voice type and nothing else

[stiff condor]

Does yours still have the foam?

[elfin depot]

it does not

[chilly ember]

Uses flash saving

Those microphones are actually terrible too so it doesn't help

[vapid hawk]

apparently if you plug a different mic into it works a lot better

its on a 3.5mm jack iirc

is the voice recognition itself done entirely inside the VRU? or does the n64 help

[storm parrot]

to be clear, I'm using RGB

[wanton sun]

wait, only directvideo via HDMI can do 24bit, right?

[vapid hawk]

yeah

[teal sail]

Many people play on CRT so hopefully when the time comes for enhanced features or special builds replacing VI (like 24bit color) they will not be limited to HDMI only 🙏

[vapid hawk]

its not the core it's the analog IO boards, they max out at 18bit

[chilly ember]

Isn't there a new one in development that would support 24 bit?

[vapid hawk]

sort of but it's just using essentially integrated directvideo

[chilly ember]

Lameness

[compact skiff]

Is it true that if it wasn't for the 2nd SD card slot, there would have been enough pins for 24 bit color?

[teal sail]

The core outputs in 16bit like original console AFAIK, but may be if there will be enough space left some enhancements could be added like 24bit color or 480p mode

[zinc dew]

lol I bought a replacement VRU

[wanton sun]

the core outputs in 8bit per color, original console did 7 bit per color

(lowest bit is dropped)

[prisma ivy]

I wish to know more about this bit color. Lol. Of course I've seen the term for decades but never really knew what it meant. I knew that going from 8 to 16 bit in Windows 98 made a big difference but that's all I know. Is there a TLDR?

[wanton sun]

it's basically how many different colors of red/green/blue you have to make the image. 24bit = 8bit per color or 256 shades of red/blue/green. 16 bit is mostly 5/5/5 so 5 bit per color =32 shades of red/green/blue. 24 bit in total can bring 16 million different colors, while 15/16 bit only brings 32k/64k

[fair stump]

8 < 16

[chrome quest]

I think YC might get 24bit data. MikeS mentioned it recently but perhaps wasn't sure

[modern sleet]

Modulation happens in the framework with all 8 bits

[versed cairn]

I can totally be wrong. I just got my info from this post on the forum. I was looking around cause component was giving me weird color banding while rgb didn’t https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?t=3865

[storm parrot]

that's odd -- if the original console bit depth is 7 and my VGA output is 7, I must not be remembering my childhood properly

I'm using RGB

to wit, the color ramps in the 240p test suite on other consoles also look wrong

maybe I'm only getting 6 bit

I do have an Extron box along the way, maybe I try removing it and doing direct

I doubt Extron gear would crush bits though...

[versed cairn]

They talk about the step down passive resistor aray on the analog io board is finicky and can cause weirdness. There’s multiple resister values used on different analog io boards and some are better then others

[storm parrot]

okay, that makes sense

I have an older board too

there's talk of a new analog IO board that supports 8 bit color

at least one that might be getting sold soon

.

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Hardware_MiSTer/tree/master/Addons/IOBoard

this stuff hasn't changed for years...

[versed cairn]

I heard that too. Wish I knew who was working on it so I could follow the progress. Would be super cool to have

[storm parrot]

ah so it's not official

[versed cairn]

Depends on where you got your analog io board. Different outlets use different value resisters

It’s weird

[storm parrot]

that is weird

it's easy to find resistors in whatever values you want

is there a more reputable place to find the analog IO board?

that sells it with the correct resistor values?

[versed cairn]

Yeah idk. I went down this rabbit hole cause my component out had weird colors. In the end I had the most “right” values on my resisters and just gave up

[storm parrot]

okay, so you didn't find a good solution

are these surface mount resistors?

I can measure them

it's not hard to just swap them ffs

[versed cairn]

Mister addons is pretty good. Stay away from AliExpress

Here I’ll find the other post I followed that gave more info

[storm parrot]

thanks

[versed cairn]

https://www.reddit.com/r/fpgagaming/comments/saf300/misterfpga_vga_to_component_crt_colors_are_off/?rdt=47177

300/604 seems to be a better value

[storm parrot]

yeah I got some random sketchball board on Amazon

[versed cairn]

https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=3911

[storm parrot]

Manual Welding Mister USB Hub V2.1 Board for Mister FPGA 7 USB Ports IO Board for Terasic DE10-Nano Accessories (Mister-FPGA IO Board Set)
STY

[versed cairn]

201/471 is the bad one to look for

[storm parrot]

wait that's not it

ah it did have the IO board

hm

I'll get one for misteraddons

https://misteraddons.com/collections/mister-fpga-video/products/reflex-prism-hdmi-to-analog

oh nice

[versed cairn]

Oh very cool

[storm parrot]

they say that the analog board won't do digital audio out but I see an LED transducer in the photo; my analog board also does digital audio out

[vagrant ivy]

all Io boards can do digital sound

they both have SPdif

[storm parrot]

right, that's what I thought, okay

why else would there be an LED there

[cerulean elk]

Lol can anyone capture Hey You Pikachu? That would be funny to feature but I haven’t the peripherals

If not I’m just screenshooting discord 😂

[elfin depot]

I don't have a capture device. I mean I could hook it up to one of these...

I could get a screenshot from the core thats about it.

[elfin depot]

I guess the screenshots on Mister are kinda small eh?

112kb

[chilly ember]

Does pikachu make a surprised face in hey you pikachu?

[fair stump]

We need a capture of someone just saying suck it nintendo to pikachu over and over

[chrome quest]

Nah, just say SEGA and she what Pikachu does

[native mesa]

Before I sell off my modded N64 and everdrive for holiday money, TLB is guaranteed right? Not just theoretical?

[cerulean elk]

This will work. Thank!

[marble cargo]

TLB is still planned, but it's being worked on as the last thing so there isn't confusion with debugging.

[elfin depot]

The posted screenshots?

[cerulean elk]

Yeah why not. It’s just for “hey this works now too”

[cerulean elk]

How much you want? Is it HDMi?

I need something to do captures against the core for vids. My S video isn’t gonna cut it

[native mesa]

YPbPr. Probably not useful for capture unless you have a retrotink 5x

[cerulean elk]

Ahh yeah looking for something HDMI

I may just not do a comparison video. Lotta expense for one 20 minute deal

Or I’ll just run S vid and tell people that’s what they get lol

[versed cairn]

The rgb mods aren’t that bad price wise and with good retrotink5x settings it can look pretty close to hbmi mod

[stiff condor]

I'm convinced I'm switching from wireless controllers to SNAC

[woeful grove]

you're convinced that you're switching, or someone has led you to believe SNAC is better somehow?

[vagrant ivy]

Its better to talk to Pikachu

in one game !

[storm parrot]

I think it's still up in the air TBH

happy to be proven wrong tho 😄

[vagrant ivy]

Sell it to me for a dollar. If the core doesnt get tlb I will sell it back to you for just 5k

[stiff condor]

Ive convinced myself that SNAC is better somehow

[cold pollen]

many have

[vagrant ivy]

its only good for wierd controllers and lightguns. Daemonbite is sub 1 ms lag and you can use it in the menus !

[cold pollen]

and remap the buttons, and use the controllers in other cores

[zinc dew]

Sub 1ms is still over 0, SNAC wins again

[vagrant ivy]

your decaying body cant tell the difference

[zinc dew]

When you operate at my level, every gain counts. I’m just built different.

[vagrant ivy]

Thats what the Fast Food restaurants of Texas say

[zinc dew]

they do!

[woeful grove]

only if you completely throw quality of life out the window

SNAC has abysmal quality of life

terrible user experience

[cold pollen]

But the name makes me hungry

[zinc dew]

quality of life is for the weak, only the grind lifestyle gets you SNAC perf

I’m just kidding

[mortal panther]

SNAC... ugh.
They don't mind making an exception by running the entire console on a DIY stack of PCBs... but "I insist on using original hardware!" when it comes to the controllers and accessories. 😉

[cold pollen]

it's supposed to say 8bitdo at the end lol

I kept trying to make them face each other with their hands ready to draw, but this works too lol

[stiff condor]

I thought SNAC was easy, basically plug and play

[vagrant ivy]

and unusable in the Menus

and needs a level shifter board to use safely

because the level shifter and board are so long you also need a pigtail USb to alleviate the stress on the User IO port

then we have the cheapo Ali express Io boards where to save cash they didnt bother to fit the headers

and so the user IO doesnt work

[cold pollen]

it's just very limited to gain 1 ms (ish) of input lag

you lose more than you gain basically

[woeful grove]

and it only works on the specific console core the controller was made for

you can't use a snes controller for atari 2600 for instance

and not all things work properly

since snac is not a 1:1 copy of original consoles, electrically

there can be various signal delays or different slopes that make it act differently

especial weird ones like the 7800 controllers

[random portal]

take a 5 second nap after downloading latest n64 test build
new build is out already

This man works too hard for us to reap the rewards <3

[cold pollen]

What's the latest this week?

Is the video fixed in Pokemon Puzzle League?

[random portal]

not that i know of, about to download the latest. the last test build I got was from the 6th of this month, there have been several until Yesterday.

[modern sleet]

Was the sensitivity recently changed on the NSO controllers for the analog stick?

Doesnt seem as bad as it was a couple weeks back