Nintendo 64

[manic basin]

I was hoping the original timings would get Mario 60fps playing a little better, but it doesn't even load now. Not this fix, as yesterday's does the same. I haven't checked earlier.

[wanton sun]

also crt or hdmi?

[fair stump]

Just letting the cpu do their thing. I have never seen an answer so huge 👀

[manic basin]

For my issue? HDMI.

[wanton sun]

i can try to find out why, but i don't even have the patch

need to search

[manic basin]

Philly...sheesh.

[wanton sun]

very strange resolution

640x10 pixel

[manic basin]

Weird.

[wanton sun]

something is going on with the VI registers

will see what i can find out tomorrow

[manic basin]

Cool, thank you!

[solemn maple]

INDEPENDENCE HALL IN PHILADELPHIA

[manic basin]

I have been trying to make an IASIP joke work for the last 10 minutes....

[chrome quest]

Tried 60fps Mario64 patch, showing CRT and HDMI (vsync_adjust=0) output.
Video starting just after loading the ROM, attached (slightly different patch to @manic basin 's above).
Hoping these visuals might be in any way helpful.

[wanton sun]

60fps hack works if you boot the game with system set to pal. fastmem does not help it's framerate, it's unplayable

and i doubt that runs at 60fps in bob-omb on real hardware

below 60fps it slows down, so only really useful for emulators

[manic basin]

Kaze runs it on real hardware exclusively. But it's still a hack, so I'm not like 'this needs to be fixed' so much as 'this might show some areas of difference.'

[wanton sun]

i will try it on my n64

[manic basin]

Awesome! I really wish I hadn't given mine away. It was just a power issue. 😦

Live and learn.

[wanton sun]

this does not work on hardware

[daring meteor]

Wait

Is the no face patch accidentally changing VI values, maybe?

[weary perch]

that sound is amazing

also terrifying

[wanton sun]

if you have the pure 60fps patch without face patch you can try

the initial logo should work on the core

[fair stump]

[weary perch]

knife edge nose gunner speed felt like it **had **to be fast, but i compared it to hardware and it seems to be basically correct on the core now 😮

weird game

i guess i didn't expect the camera wildly jumping around at those speeds was developer-intended 😄

i guess it's one of the closest things to a light gun game on the N64, just... without light gun support

looks like there was at least one planned

i guess that explains this weird N64 game lol

[chilly ember]

Laser pointer attachment so your cat can play too

[cerulean elk]

I have that for Saturn. Same shape. Must have tried to redo it for N64

Shit gun with bad aim

[deft tree]

It’s a PSX justifier

[cerulean elk]

Ahh that’s what it was. I have it for crypt killer PS1

Misremembered it being for Saturn. It’s a knock off konami justifier since Konami wouldn’t make the game work with GunCon

[chrome quest]

That's an amazing hardware check. Even the same "tune".

[zinc dew]

It’s a pretty good song

[unborn sierra]

hello friends, i have just received my N64 Blisster adapter and atached my N64 original controller

i cannot make the joystick work

any ideas what i might be doing wrong?

[manic basin]

Huh. It was running on the core a while ago and ran 60fps in the open air area (versus not starting at all) and he has videos he claims are real hardware.

[zinc dew]

Need to bind the controller first in the main menu and then again in the core

[chrome quest]

Have you got the patch without the no_face changes too?

[manic basin]

Yep.

Uploading the Oct. 24 core example.

(These are NTSC captures)

[languid dune]

Oh hey, when did the FMVs in Resident Evil 2 get fixed?

They're the correct aspect ratio now!

@cerulean elk where you aware of that fix? Would be a good example to show in a future N64 testing video!

[cerulean elk]

I wasn’t. I’ll add it to the list!

Of course I’m sick again 🤣 punishment for vacation…sick day two of being back

[languid dune]

Always the punishment for vacation!

[zinc dew]

@manic basin that recompiled Mario 64 you informed me about works fine on the latest core

[unborn sierra]

i sure did many times...but where do you register the joystick? as mouse?

[languid dune]

Tell me more!

[manic basin]

Yeah, recompiled works great

[zinc dew]

No, the joystick is bound in the main menu only. You want to make sure the analog stick is bound to joystick 1.

[manic basin]

Like I said, not expexting anything out of the 60fps one, apart from possibly finding differences. I wonder why it doesn't work on real hardware for some but does for others, though.

[toxic pumice]

New Autechre music video just dropped

[uncut gyro]

@wanton sun do you have a sense of 24-bit support difficulty or timeline? Are there some technical prerequisites before you or anyone else could start implementing it?

[solemn marlin]

Yea I also reported on it simply because it was something that had changed, but it seems strange that it wouldn't work on og hardware seeing how relatively well it runs on the core

[latent galleon]

space is the reason, there's no guarantee it will fit once everything else is implemented

only answering because it's been asked before

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[vapid moat]

https://youtu.be/7PmEtJX3Els?si=xRSNUq83fat5xt3v

[oblique remnant]

but It crashed twice here for me ?! even after core reboot. does the japanese one still work better?

[chilly ember]

I wanna say biohazard 2 crashes more

[oblique remnant]

ok it's been a while since it fired up that game

[fair stump]

That's crashing for you right at the beginning?

[topaz otter]

this is the gun that killed batmans parents

[vapid moat]

Dammit Sony

[topaz otter]

lol it has a red dot sight wtf

I always wanted one of those ps1 light guns so I could play resident evil survivor

now they are too expensive, can't afford to buy one

[deft tree]

They’re like 30 bucks?

[versed cairn]

That’s what I paid for mine last year

[weary perch]

summary of some non-TLB games which boot but have (mostly random) crashes

Bass Rush - ECOGEAR PowerWorm Championship (Japan) - black screen after casting line
Chameleon Twist - one crash reported during final boss
Mickey's Speedway USA - randomly crashes
Nintama Rantarou 64 Game Gallery (Japan) - randomly crashes
Polaris Snocross - consistently crashes during races, usually before being able to complete a single race
Resident Evil 2 - randomly crashes on first 2 screens as Leon, crashes at S.T.A.R.S. office door
Rugrats in Paris - randomly crashes
Starshot: Space Circus Fever - one black screen crash during attract mode
Tom and Jerry in Fists of Furry - crashes on character select screen
Triple Play 2000 - randomly crashes at team selection screen
World Driver Championship - randomly crashes (seems to occur on resolution change)
Xeno Crisis (and other libdragon SDK games) - randomly crashes

[topaz otter]

That's too high

Let's haggle

[weary perch]

some games which used to crash seem to be stable now - Mortal Kombat Trilogy, Glover, Quake

[chrome quest]

Can also add "Nintama Rantarou 64 Game Gallery (Japan)". Not checked in a few cores, but similar random crash

[weary perch]

thank you!

the Mickey's crash is semi-rare, but if you play long enough you'll definitely run into it eventually

the World Driver Championship one is super rare - only seen it a few times over 17+ hours

Rugrats one is incredibly random but tends to occur within about 20 minutes of play if you are actually playing. sometimes the attract mode crashes but it seems less frequent than actually playing yourself for some reason

[daring meteor]

Add libdragon

[weary perch]

random crashes in anything using the libdragon SDK?

[weary perch]

unfortunately the Rugrats in Paris game is like, intolerably slow and bad and i can barely stand playing it. i wouldn't be sad personally if that particular random crash never gets fixed 😄

[chilly ember]

I rented that rugrats game once when I was a kid, hated it lol. Don't even have it on my mister sd card

[fair stump]

I can confirm Bass Rush, I tested that with today's build

[weary perch]

sometimes you play a random licensed game like Scooby Doo and it turns out the game is actually kinda decent. other times you play trash like that Rugrats game... a truly awful game, one of the absolute nadir titles on the platform lol

[chilly ember]

Is there anything today's build does better than before?

[weary perch]

there's a new fastmem option to play with

[chilly ember]

Has anyone found something it makes a difference to anything?

I'm not home for couple hours so I haven't got a chance to test anything yet

[weary perch]

it improves performance, you might get a few extra FPS in some games

[oblique remnant]

Yep 2nd screen in game

[chilly ember]

I wonder if it can make megaman 64 frame rate a little more bearable haha

Probably not lol

[fair stump]

Somewhat glad to have it confirmed by someone else. I had it some time ago and hadn't seen it in a while. Wasn't sure if it was just me 😅

[cerulean elk]

N64 video time...with my best joke yet!

[fair stump]

Real high bar there

[minor fog]

View #1 get

[cerulean elk]

oh trust me this one is the finest of low brow

[daring meteor]

Yes, this includes Xeno Crysis

[languid dune]

The deposit has been made! ......

[cerulean elk]

haha first to find it

not like it was hidden

[languid dune]

I love that you even lost it a bit at that part.

[cerulean elk]

you better leave a comment for that hem

haha yes I made myself laugh because I made it up a bit on the fly

[weary perch]

@wanton sun (adding subsequent finds to this post to consolidate)
E4000000 errors:
Waialae Country Club - got it on the 2nd hole played
Road Rash 64 - got it in the menu or shortly after starting race
NFL Blitz Special Edition - when loading into the main menu

[mortal panther]

So it's another game of Capture the (Error) Flag? 😉

[weary perch]

Road Rash 64 - another E4000000

[compact depot]

Are those errors regressions?

[weary perch]

it's a new error for this build

NFL Blitz Special Edition also shows E4000000

[marble cargo]

What does E4000000 even mean?

[orchid nimbus]

Check vampier.net

It’s all there

https://vampier.net/N64/

[weary palm]

so many bits

but not even close to 64 yet.

37 more to go

[brisk drum]

MACE the dark age has this weird blue bar at the bottom @modern sleet

[cerulean elk]

I’ve seen it in the side in prev cores. Moving around apparently

[modern sleet]

I dont see it here

[weary perch]

it's normal

[fair stump]

From the test sheet

[weary perch]

happens on hardware, but only on certain stages - it's a fullscreen border

monster truck madness also does the same thing on a few scenes

[brisk drum]

False alarm my bad

[marble cargo]

When it comes to these old games, I always keep in mind that anything that looks like a glitch might just be junk that is meant to be obscured by overscan anyway.

[fair stump]

Like the scrolling text in tony hawk, super weird to see at first

[mortal panther]

Well that error message is obviously a mistake. That should never happen. 😉

You're seeing things.

[fair stump]

Robert gonna use the remaining room to add Eternal Darkness sanity effects that will randomly pop up

[mortal panther]

I'm definitely seeing that problem mentioned a while back about the bug in Dire, Dire Docks when trying to start the 'Pole Jumping for Red Coins' section. Bowser's sub should be gone but it's not, and I don't see the floating platforms with the yellow/black poles hanging down from them to jump from/to.

[mossy vector]

Did you defeat second Bowser?

[mortal panther]

Ooooh

🤦‍♂️

Thanks... 😄

[fair stump]

They built a second bowser

[mortal panther]

It's been about 25 years since I last played it. I may have forgotten a thing or two. 😉

[mortal panther]

Well, speaking of 'Dire, Dire Docks' in Super Mario 64, I did notice something that stood out to me, and I'm not sure if it looks like this on original hardware. When you're first dropped into the water on level start, swim towards any edge to where you can still see both the wall edge and the water, and stop.

Next, toggle Dedither and Dithering to Off.

If you enable Dithering, you'll see that dithering is applied to the brownish/green wall and the water.

If you then enable Dedither, it gets applied to the water, but it has no effect whatsoever on the wall that I am able to observe.

@wanton sun I'm wondering if dedither is selectively applied. Does the game decide the surfaces it gets applied to? I thought it was supposed to get rid of all dithering on-screen.

[stiff condor]

I just wanted to say that Rainbow Ride is the most BS level in Super Mario 64

[worn delta]

Can Europe and ROW be added now?

[plush summit]

only if Alec Baldwin 64 goes in first

[rich warren]

https://frinkiac.com/meme/S06E06/958073.jpg?b64lines=IEFoLCBjbG9zZSBlbm91Z2gu

[stiff condor]

Mission Impossible is a fun game. Especially when you mess with cheat codes and try to break the game

[quasi storm]

That level in the vault is actually kinda cool.

Although I tend to have a fridge logic moment whenever I think about it: Dodging the lasers to descend is all well and good, but what about your line?!

Also, can you imagine being the poor sod who is at the top holding the line while you're doing all that swinging?

[wanton sun]

if you provide a screenshot of the situation, i can check. Dedither is only applied to fully covered polygons, not on borders and not on transparency

[wanton sun]

thank you, will try to fix today, would be great if you can retest then

[mortal panther]

Ah, that might be it then. I'll try after I've been to bed. Thanks as always.

[wanton sun]

it works on the old core, because the old core ignores the VI registers and just sets up some resolution anyway. The new core respects the VI registers like the hardware does, so at least this patch you uploaded does not work on the new core and not on the real n64

[languid dune]

@wanton sun If you're not aware of it yet, the FMVs in Resident Evil 2 now play in the correct aspect ratio. No more stretching vertically!

[mortal panther]

I don't have comparison screenshots to provide (yet), but for reference, it's the wall around the entire area above the water line.

[wanton sun]

i tried it, it's really odd that Divot is active there and not dedither, can check, but maybe not today

[quasi storm]

Is anyone else able to get Pokemon Stadium to properly recognize their Pokemon game boy cart?

[wanton sun]

sure, what is the issue?

[quasi storm]

This is with a Pokemon blue cart. The second one I've tried

[wanton sun]

emulated transfer pak or snac?

[quasi storm]

Also, I've gone through and created a character in blue, saved, and then reloaded. Save isn't kept.

Emulated

[wanton sun]

check your system settings, does it say transfer pak enabled?

is the save file 256kbyte in size?

[quasi storm]

Here are my settings, untouched...

Retaken to show the unidentified cart

[wanton sun]

looks ok

[quasi storm]

Let me check my save

[wanton sun]

that cart will always show ???? when there is no savegame

[quasi storm]

Also my save...

[wanton sun]

looks ok. did you try to create a new game, save ingame, then leave pokemon tower and re-enter without resetting the core?

[quasi storm]

I'll try again.

Okay, so I may chalk this up to PEBKAC. Haven't played this game in awhile... A long while.

Save shows after exiting gb tower

[vapid hawk]

morning team

[wanton sun]

does it keep working after saving and reloading the n64 rom?

[quasi storm]

It does. Even did a core reload. My bad @wanton sun, false alarm. 😆

[wanton sun]

all good 🙂

i'm never sure with the english pokemon titles as they use mbc3 and i only implemented mbc5, but they seem to be similar enough

[quasi storm]

Going forward, anything I should watch for, I.E anything that could nuke my save? Beginner error traps?

[vapid hawk]

any save you don't have a backup of is at risk at all times 😛

[wanton sun]

KI2 Gold needs TLB, it is not playable

[quasi storm]

Also, any way to have multiple game paks, or not yet?

[wanton sun]

if you keep the order of "first gb rom and transfer pak set for controller 1, then load n64 rom" i didn't have any issues. Played through german Red version and interacted with Stadium over nearly 2 weeks

multiple paks only works with manual save file manipulation currently

[vapid hawk]

i can't believe you broke two stickers with one core.

[quasi storm]

So, I'm guessing the Gameboy save is married to the N64 save for now? No way to, say play the Gameboy game on stadium 1 , then move over to 2?

[wanton sun]

i blame blue1 for the second 😅

[wanton sun]

if you have no stadium 2 save file, your gb save will carry over if you start 2 after 1

but yes, they are kind of married

[quasi storm]

I'm just figuring everything out.

Finally. No way to keep going on the gb core?

[wanton sun]

Ideally mister main would just extract/combine the gb save on the fly

but it's not so easy

[vapid hawk]

someone wrote a script to crack it i think?

[wanton sun]

i might write a little gui application for windows to handle the save files

[quasi storm]

Someone needs to bug sorg about divorcing Pokemon saves from stadium 🤣

Or not...

[wanton sun]

we discussed about it

the main idea was to have a file mapping like psx memory card

but i dislike that, because you have to create the save first by hand

(or start the gb core and create a save)

[vapid hawk]

hm

[wanton sun]

also the user doesn't need multiple saves per cart anyway, so the naming is clear

[quasi storm]

I want to say It's too bad main can't just use the folder structure to segregate the saves, but I don't really know what I'm talking about. I'm not really sure if that's handled by main, the core or a combination.

[vapid hawk]

i don't really know how people want it

do you think mostpeople already have pokemon saves on the gb core

[wanton sun]

i currently see 3 use cases. 1: just play the game fresh -> works fine. 2: Use existing gb save and swap back and forth -> works bad. 3: use different gb games and swap them -> works bad

a solution that is worth spending a lot of time on it should cover at least these 3 cases comfortable. I currently don't know of any

[vapid hawk]

hm

[quasi storm]

Im more embracing a "Todd Howard" mindset... Don't mind me too much

[quasi storm]

Any other Brawler64 Bluetooth users here this morning?

I've had mine for a few months now. How are you guys holding up? My gamepad:

• Is missing the rubber cap on the stick... It fell off

• Has a bad C-Right button. It stops registering before the pop of the dome.

• Has an odd dead zone. Right is responsive, but left has about a cm of travel before there's a response...

Overall, while I do like this controller for its layout, there may be some questions of quality. Anyone else have these?

[vapid hawk]

i've got some but never put enough hours on them to wear anything out

heard you can swap the stick caps for gamecube ones with a little 3d printed spacer thing

[remote hatch]

I have had mine for a month or two , it is ok for now 😄

[quasi storm]

My poor capless Stick...

Those edges are sharp, too.

[remote hatch]

you play too hard haha

[quasi storm]

Actually, it fell off while playing Smash 🤣

[wanton sun]

your attention to detail is really outstanding. The line is really there on hardware:

[quasi storm]

The second week I had it.

[quick arch]

Great 🙂

[wanton sun]

just in case others wonder what line we talk about, i enhanced the image to show it

i first wanted to write you i cannot see any line

can you really make that out on the first image?

either my eyes or my monitors are maybe bad

[chilly ember]

I can see it but I never would have noticed it unless someone pointed it out

[quaint rune]

I was confused because he said the line is on the left but it’s on the right of the image.

[chrome quest]

I'm currently playing original hardware, very much often swapping GB games in/out for Stadium 2, daily gifts in Gen 2. Realistically though, if there were 4 (or even 2) Transfer Pak options simultaneously you reduce the need to swap saves in/out.
If it makes things easier for N64 core, anything else could be a separate tool on PC to add/extract saves. I can't imagine I'm in the majority! Could that even be a utility core?

[wanton sun]

ok, this one is really interesting. So first: real hardware does also not dedither the wall. You can tell by the dither pattern still present and also by the HUD behaving different compared to other backgrounds. Why is that? The game uses a "coverage from alpha" rendering mode for the wall, which makes no sense as it's solid. And even with it being solid, the coverage should still be 100% right? Well, the alpha value of the wall comes from Texture alpha of 0xFF(max) multiplied with Gouraud Shade alpha of 0xFF(max). Both are multiplied = 0xfE01, 0x80 is added = 0xFE81 and then it's shifted right by 8 bit => 0xFE. You can already see: this is not max anymore. So when creating a coverage from it, it's not max and therefore dedither is not applied, but instead AA and Divot. As AA only works if anything with full coverage is nearby, it is not active, but divot is.

[wanton sun]

yes, so you match use case 3. For you, a file mapping option would probably be best

but with daily rewards you would also need RTC

[chrome quest]

Indeed, would need RTC for that. Amazing the Gen 2 games already work to bring teams in, just stay away from GB Tower and it's fine. Just trying to help inform use case, but it is already amazing this is possible on MiSTer.

[wanton sun]

Maybe when all works well enough, a fork of the core would be good that removes some features not needed for the stadium games, but adds all the fancy things that makes stadium perfect like RTC for GB games, 4 transfer paks, save file select, empty file creating, ...

the current transfer pak emulation costs barely anything and i would like to keep it that way for a while 🙂

[dusty tusk]

I noticed that when a transfer pak isn't selected for any controller, loading a gameboy rom defaulted to controller 2 in Pokemon stadium. Allowing the pak ingame.

Is this expected behavior?

[wanton sun]

with what setup?

i cannot reproduce that

[dusty tusk]

Pad 1 cpak
Rest standard n64

From there I loaded Pokemon yellow. Then loaded stadium.

Not near a mister at the moment, but I can try to replicate it tomorrow if nothing comes up

[wanton sun]

?

still cannot reproduce. Could it be that you managed the save file by hand?

[dusty tusk]

It was that set-up. Possible rumble instead. But the rest were definitely n64 with no attachments

I leave auto save on, I generally don't manually save

[wanton sun]

don't know then, sorry

[dusty tusk]

Was able to replicate it.

Interestingly it gave me a cic error when loading Pokemon yellow

Only other thing I can think of is maybe I have an old config that has mismatched settings for the other controllers, I'll try rotating them out and saving and see if it persists.

That seems to have fixed it. Sorry for the false alarm!

[dusty tusk]

Rocket robot on wheels is a nice little physics platformer. It often feels like it's from the next generation

[wanton sun]

could be the old config sets the bit for pad2 using transfer pak

in theory we could already have 4 transfer paks, but all would be using the same cart and savegame, so it's more risky than useful

[dusty tusk]

That's what I'm thinking. Weird that the menu option didn't show that. Maybe it's defaulting in the menu but not setting the proper bits as well?

[wanton sun]

no idea what happens if you load a setting that doesn't exist. Probably shows the default then

[dusty tusk]

Well if it happens to anyone else I suppose we have a solution then

I'm wondering as a precaution the Gameboy rom should just be limited to one controller at a time somehow

Unless that's how it already works

[wanton sun]

only one gamepad module really exists, all 4 ports are just multiplexed, so the module itself currently doesn't care for where the transfer pak sits

in theory config bit shifting can always lead to strange effects, but i cannot declare all old bits as forbidden forever

[dusty tusk]

Yeah, too bad there isn't a way to rebuild configs automatically when massive changes occur

[wanton sun]

i can rename the core each time, so by today we could be at N128 😉

[dusty tusk]

🤔

The occasional config issue is just something that happens with in progress cores

[mortal panther]

That is very interesting. Thank you very much for investigating such a trivial thing and taking the time to explain it. 👍

[native mesa]

There's a default config set right? So any config issues should be remedied by restoring defaults.

[wanton sun]

you can delete the config for the core, yes

[lean spruce]

What does fixed blanks do? Should it be on for a CRT?

[wanton sun]

it's for having a fixed viewport for hdmi

it shouldn't really have any influence on a crt

[lean spruce]

It moves the OSD down a few lines when it’s on compared to off. But can’t see a difference in game Mario 64

[wanton sun]

possible. if unsure, leave it on = default

[remote hatch]

yes , I noticed that too

[lean spruce]

@remote hatch do you have a real N64?

[remote hatch]

yes

[lean spruce]

Kan you please compare the Mario 64 file select screen between core and N64. On my CRT the N64 core cuts off a bit to the left, but Mike suggested it might be on a real N64

[remote hatch]

sure, no prob

only that I have everything in PAL 😄

[lean spruce]

Thanks! To me the core currently is outputting more than the normal overscan

Still should show if there is a difference between core and real N64

[brisk drum]

ITS N64 WEDNESDAY!

[remote hatch]

in 30 min I finish work , I will let you know 🙂

[lean spruce]

This is what it looks currently for me

[remote hatch]

ok 👍🏻

[wanton sun]

do you use the fix from MikeS already?

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he shifted it right by 6 pixels or so

[remote hatch]

Yes , but don't be happy, the first game will start working maybe for Christmas 🙂

[cerulean elk]

xmas 2024. Robert is SLOW 🤣

[lean spruce]

Where is the fix? I use yesterdays core

[wanton sun]

i think it's only in his YC build?

[lean spruce]

Oh, can I use it on RGB scart?

[wanton sun]

sorry, i'm not so familiar with where he distributes that as i have no CRT 😅

[remote hatch]

https://github.com/MikeS11/YC_Builds-MiSTer/tree/main/_YCConsole

[lean spruce]

@remote hatch does it work on RGB scart? I thought his builds where S video

[wanton sun]

it should also work for you, it's just the same build with YC project option activated

[remote hatch]

yes, works

[wanton sun]

(i leave every option currently off that costs ressources and doesn't profit the dev process)

[lean spruce]

So would his fix not make it to real release?

[tender pine]

What's the equivalent of deblur in the N64 osd video settings please?

SO many video options - which is amazing - but also baffling to a noob like me.

[lean spruce]

Mikes build is perfectly centered:

Still more overscan than I get from other cores. So we will see if it’s an N64 thing once Kuba confirms

[daring meteor]

(And his changes that is, which I think whenever you merge those changes should be nil?)

[coral timber]

That would be the bilinear toggle

[wanton sun]

he wanted to get some feedback before merging it to the main build

[chrome quest]

The other thing to be aware of is RGB SCART shifting the image compared to say RF or composite. That is nothing to do with MiSTer, just TVs. I doubt I'm the only one that had that surprise with MiSTer, since nothing else I'd ever plugged into a CRT in my life was RGB SCART, just composite in a SCART connector

[inner plume]

I reported the same thing a while back and was also surprised to find I had never noticed all my life that you need to defeat bowser in the basement for the sub to disappear

[remote hatch]

ok done

looks same

Core

N64

[mortal panther]

Fantastic

[remote hatch]

PAL tv , pal game and composite cable

the N64 finally came in handy 😄

[chrome quest]

Guess that was MiSTer also composite?

[remote hatch]

yes of course

[chrome quest]

Same, just those... 6 vertical lines. Apparently. It sure looks the same! ❤️

[remote hatch]

but I go back to rgb , huge difference in image quality haha

[chrome quest]

Incidentally curious how much logic a XY image offset shift would take? I know it's been asked in general before, and I believe not added to main as it wouldn't be true to original hardware on console cores (which is 100% true to be fair). Would be handy for RGB SCART in general, so just curious if that even "could" be added

[marble cargo]

Can't blame anyone that got confused by how the submarine disappears. It's the only time they ever experimented with a stage permanently changing after a certain point.

[daring meteor]

Probably mostly in OSD

Wait

Actually you need to use adders

[cerulean elk]

As a Chicagoan I can’t support this. That’s a ketchup cable right there and I won’t stand for it!

You play that in MONO! Ignore the ketchup

[remote hatch]

it's just for testing 😛

[wanton sun]

which console core offers x/y shift? nearly none?

[native mesa]

Jotego cores

[remote hatch]

yeah arcades

[daring meteor]

Jotego makes the best console cores

[wanton sun]

Jotego has no console cores

[remote hatch]

no way 😛

[daring meteor]

In like 2028 the ngpc core gonna come out

[native mesa]

I wonder if he's having a hand in this rumored Naomi / dreamcast one

All the mars stuff kinda rubs me the wrong way

[stone pilot]

Sorgelig was apparently very firmly against console cores ever having x/y shift

because there's only one correct timing for consoles

[daring meteor]

Makes me glad I calibrated my CRT on a Wii

[native mesa]

I think I did too

[wanton sun]

ngpc isn't a console either. Lynx also has x/y shift

consoles from that time have been made for CRTs and if the output matches the original that should be fine

arcades and handhelds not so much 😉

[native mesa]

I think if someone wants offset they can always run it through the scaler with their own options

[fair stump]

These are the kinds of checks I always love to see with mister projects

[paper orchid]

oh man lemme tell you you're gonna hate me for some hotdog crimes then

[wanton sun]

would be great if you could also confirm that all have been fixed with this build

[chrome quest]

Totally agree. Was only curious as it would be a handy feature for some people (like me), but it is a little against the spirit of MiSTer I guess.
Solvable with external hardware too

[weary perch]

i've got a work break coming up in about 40 minutes, will test them then if no one's gotten to it yet

[wanton sun]

no need to hurry, i will be away until tomorrow anyway

[weary perch]

Battlezone, Waialae Country Club, Road Rash 64, and NFL Blitz Special Edition are the ones I saw the new error on

(in case anyone else is testing right now)

[wanton sun]

i could reproduce battlezone, road rash and nfl blitz and didn't got them anymore

battlezone is still on my list, the sound is horrible

[weary perch]

there are a few games with crackling audio but that one is by far the worst about it 🙂

flying dragon also crackles a bit

[wanton sun]

the worse it is, the easier to research

[mortal panther]

Mustard and Mayonnaise only!

[cerulean elk]

The white signifies the bun bread

[mortal panther]

No pickles?

Ah, no sync on green required, I guess.

[cerulean elk]

If we are being honest we need white, green (relish and sport peppers), pink (the dog), yellow for the mustard, and a light red for the tomato (since they are always like half ripe)…and light green for the celery salt

Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk

[odd vector]

Just for clarification, color issues on my CRT is because of the missing 24 bit pcb? VGA to Scart adapter

[lean spruce]

Thanks 🙏

[odd vector]

Damn, I have no issues with composite n64, thats why I am surprised. Well is there any ETA on the board?

[vapid moat]

Last level for a reason

It's hell on heaven

[wanton sun]

the music always makes me think i have to hurry, but then you wait 5 minutes for that slow carpet

[weary perch]

@wanton sun no more errors on Battlezone here, just started up a CPU vs CPU in Waialae to see if that one gets it to pop, but i am noticing something in interlaced modes - about once a minute or so, a big corruption occurs on the right side of the screen (covering about 25% of the screen, but spiking out farther to the left on some lines). lasts maybe 3 frames and seems to occur at a relatively regular interval. Battlezone gameplay is interlaced, and i see it consistently there. Waialae menus are interlaced and I'm seeing it there too, but once in-game it stops happening (240p in-game there)

started occurring in 1107 to the best of my knowledge, never saw it when testing 1106

easiest way to repro currently is just pull up Waialae Country Club main menu and let it sit for a couple minutes. watch the right-hand side of the screen and you should see a white/pink corruption streak down from the top for a few frames

[mortal panther]

Oooh, right... that flying carpet level. I remember now. Ugh.

[weary beacon]

just seen a no carpet run the other day

[inner plume]

The funny thing is there are still guides out there that say the sub disappears after claiming the star

[inner plume]

The only reason I hate that level is because the 100 coin star sucks to get. The rest of the objectives aren't all that difficult or time consuming, but you need to visit several areas of that level to get 100 coins, and it's easy to make a mistake, fall, and have to do it all over again.

[tulip coral]

what is bullshit, is the blue coins in that level and getting the 100 coin star omg

[inner plume]

@tulip coral I like that we both posted the same reason for hating that level at the same time 😄

[tulip coral]

hahah oh shit!

the mrs and i did the 120 stars finally, that 100 coin star was the hardest

[vapid moat]

I need to revisit that level sometime just for that

[vapid hawk]

someone do a romhack so if you fall off that stage it just puts you back at a nearby solid object

[vapid moat]

To see if I can handle it

[vapid hawk]

like basically have 3 or 4 checkpoints around the level - maybe make it hurt a little bit so its not tooo easy

[tulip coral]

the 1-attempt blue coins are so annoying, takes ages to get to them, press the blue button and make one damn mistake on the wall jumps, you may as well start over

[inner plume]

I always go for those first, because if I miss those 100 coins isn't possible IIRC

Rather fail early and restart than get the rest of the coins and fail to obtain the blue ones

[tulip coral]

yea for sure - i'm not 100% but it deffo felt impossible without the blue coins

we did the same. blues, then redds, then finish

[inner plume]

There are 6 or 7, I think you get 30 or 35 coins from the blue ones in that stage

[tulip coral]

yea its a lot

and more often than not at the top of the wall jump you just run straight past them

[inner plume]

Or you mess up the wall jump and oops not enough time to get them all

[tulip coral]

yep. so many times 🤣

all in tho, its a truly top-tier game

[inner plume]

Agreed

[tulip coral]

so fun. it was my first time playing it and loved it

[inner plume]

There are only two levels I don't like: Lava Land and Rainbow Ride, and both of them are because of the 100 coins star

I guess you could say it's not the levels I don't like, just how painful the 100 coins stars are in each

[tulip coral]

i hear you - i think for me, the 100 coins in big-little world were rough because of the slow start each time, taking down the pirana plants etc. and also the red coins are hard in that one

[inner plume]

I used to agree on Little-Big World

But there is a secret

[tulip coral]

god damn

[inner plume]

Ground pound the giant goombas

They drop blue coins when you do

Also run around those posts 5 times to get 5 coins to pop out

[tulip coral]

every goomba in that level when you're small?!

crap

we didnt realise that

[inner plume]

I don't remember exactly when I figured that out but it was well after the N64 was superseded

Pretty sure I discovered it by accident

[tulip coral]

that would have saved us a LOT of effort!

[inner plume]

Makes the 100 coins so much easier to get

I think there are 10 goombas in that level, so that makes 50 coins

Plus you have the posts at the start, think there are 4 so run around those till coins pop out and you get another 20

[tulip coral]

haha yea if only we knew! oh well, we had fun

we knew about the posts. that was ok

[inner plume]

16 for red coins so there are really only 14 yellow coins you have to find

Wait do pirhana plants drop blue coins?

[tulip coral]

no yellow when you punch them

two each?

i think

[inner plume]

Ah okay, couldn't remember

[tulip coral]

its burned into my memory....

[inner plume]

Nope

https://super-mario-64-official.fandom.com/wiki/Piranha_Plant

Pirhana plans drop blue coins

So I think you can actually get the 100 coin star in that level without getting a single yellow coin (excepting the ones popping out of the posts)

[tulip coral]

100% punching them gave us 2 yellow coins in that level tho

did we have to stomp them

?

[inner plume]

Makes it one of the easiest levels to get 100 stars in, if you can avoid dying

Maybe they work differently in that level then, the ones around the boss?

[tulip coral]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBNg-Qz-mRE

50 seconds in ish

2 yellows

weird

yes must be different rules for them

[vapid hawk]

i think its the level designers placing blue coins on those enemies, it's not every single one

[inner plume]

Still one of the easiest levels to get 100 coins in, even without pirhana blue coins

[vapid hawk]

those big eyeball guys you kill by running circles round them sometimes drop a blue coin too iirc

[tulip coral]

haha took us aaaages!

[inner plume]

Ah, apparently they are considered "large pirhana plants" and only drop 3 coins on defeat

[tulip coral]

toad on the beach gives you a blue i recall

[inner plume]

The only appear on tiny-huge island

[tulip coral]

aaah explains it

[inner plume]

Still, that's the rest of the 100 coins there

[tulip coral]

yea the big goombas is game changing

[inner plume]

Now just don't get eaten by the big fish and you're (probably) good

[inner plume]

I think they always drop blue coins except the big one that drops a star in Boo's Mansion attic

[cerulean elk]

tried 11/7 core and I cant bring the OSD up. Anyone have that issue?

[inner plume]

I can check in a bit, can't say I noticed it myself though since the OSD is needed to launch games

[chilly ember]

Didn't have that issue when i tried last night

[cerulean elk]

ill delete and add again

[inner plume]

I had a similar issue the other night, but turned out I had accidentally mapped the Menu button to something else

[cerulean elk]

odd though since 11/6 is fine

works fine now...no f'ing clue lol

ghosts in the FPGA

fast ram....on or off? Ive been sick the last day and change so I havent been keeping up lol

[chilly ember]

I played with it a little bit last night with some games that have iffy frame rates but didn't seem to make any noticeable difference to me

[lament escarp]

Get well soon! Thankfully I'm way to busy to get sick right now.

[cerulean elk]

I was too lol

doing a bit capture today for a longer N64 test for tomorrow or Fri. Luckily my voice is holding up ok so far

playing things I know dont work cause people keep asking...capturing Goemon intro knowing its about to freeze lol

[inner plume]

Wish my immune system worked that way

Immune system: Hey here's a sinus infection for you

Me: No thanks I have 3 projects due this week

Immune system: Oh, okay. I'll come back next week then

[cerulean elk]

we were on vacation around our nephews then a party saturday...it was destined to happen

I love my nephews but children are germ factories

[lament escarp]

You should try one of those ai voice generators. If you're cloning your own voice there's nothing unethical about it and it would be fun when you're sick. 😄

[cerulean elk]

haha ive considered it but id lose time

I dont write anything...I just improv

[inner plume]

This, I feel like one of the kids brings home something new every week

[cerulean elk]

its a good think kids are charming otherwise nobody would want them lolol

[lament escarp]

I still dislike most kids. You have to teach them the cool stuff before they're charming.

[cerulean elk]

my nephew is entertaining just because he appreciates I know wtf he is talking about. Pokemon / Fortnite / Robolox / Mario shit...I am like the only adult that gets he is saying

[lament escarp]

Also, starting december I'll be working only 4 days a week and be tutoring my nephew on fridays, so I'll get aaaaall the germs. 😄

[cerulean elk]

oh yeah you are gonna be sick as hell

[lament escarp]

My nephews say I'm the only cool adult. I was annoyed they didn't know what digimon is so they got one for their birthday.

[inner plume]

I wouldnt say I hate most kids, but you are 100% correct. Until they learn how to behave around people it's a series of screaming and "no's", and too much contrived children's TV

[cerulean elk]

its so funny Goemon is so perfect till TLB then black screen...its 100% to 0%

[inner plume]

My son is fun to talk to but our daughter, as much as I love her and as adorable as she is, does not want to do anything we ask of her, ever

[cerulean elk]

yeah he is almost 13 now so its gone from talking to a child to talking to a small adult. Or well I treat him like an adult that just doesnt know much shit

[inner plume]

And she will scream and wail about it

She's just at that age, and I am so ready for her to mature just a little bit more

[inner plume]

Ah, yeah, I have fairly young kids, not even close to teenagers yet

oldest is turning 7 in less than 2 months

I am embarrassed to admit though he is absolutely insane with building stuff in Minecraft, I can't even come close

[cerulean elk]

haha yeah not as easy to talk to I am sure

[inner plume]

My oldest is easy to talk to. The problem is all he wants to talk about these days is Skibidi Toilet

I swear I can't get away from the skibidi

Everywhere I go I hear some kid watching it on their parent's phone or a tablet

[paper orchid]

Recently, my partner and I took a walk around one of our malls, and in this mall are a number of stalls selling plushes from....less reputable sources.

I have seen A) a Jumbo Josh plush and B) a fucking skibidi plush

A kid saw the skibidi plush and ran as fast as he could to it

We live in one hell of a society

[inner plume]

Rainbow Friends has official merch sold via retail, my father-in-law bought my son a plushie at Target the other week

[chilly ember]

This is the first time i've heard of skibidi toilet and had to google it, I guess i'm lucky lol

[inner plume]

"skibidi skibidi bop bop yes, skibidi bop bop neep neep"

It's literal gibberish 😄

[paper orchid]

I only know of it because I frequent the Vinesauce VODs rofl

The easiest way I can explain Skibidi: we had Half Life: Full Life Consequences, kids these days have Skibidi, the common ground we have is a love for Garry's Mod

[chilly ember]

My nephew has always just been a five nights at freddy's kid

[weary perch]

@wanton sun Update 2: seems to be something specific to certain interlaced modes and my TV, no one else can replicate - can ignore

Update: appears to only occur with vsync_adjust=2 (does not occur with vsync_adjust=0). could be some issue with the sync on my TV

can consistently replicate the regularly occurring corruption on the right side of the screen in the interlaced modes in both Battlezone and Waialae Country Club. doesn't seem to occur at all in any of the other interlaced games i tested (Rogue Squadron, Rat Attack, NBA Live 2000), but consistently occurs about once per minute in Battlezone and Waialae. if anyone else here could try one of those games' interlaced modes for a few minutes on 1107 or 1108 to corroborate that'd be great

[inner plume]

I explain it similarly, but I replace "Half Life: Full Life Consequences" with "we had 'The Idiots of Garry's Mod'"

[paper orchid]

Gmod Idiot Box is probably more comparable I'd say yeah

[cerulean elk]

ugh SD card giving me copy errors. SanDisk is letting me down lately

[inner plume]

Time for a trip down memory lane

[modern sleet]

Yeah I've already measured by the pixel haha. The issue right now is getting it to work better with specific interlaced games, like RE2 and it's odd ball resolutions. Got some reason it does not always like my h shift for Hsync. Especially going scene to scene when playing

[daring meteor]

Is doing an hshift the only way here?

[modern sleet]

I just shift the sync

[daring meteor]

Yeah, I know, is there a "cleaner" way?

[modern sleet]

This is the cleanest I think

[vagrant ivy]

cleanest is hdmi !

[modern sleet]

I have to look at it I'm more detail but I've only seen the issue in re2

[daring meteor]

Does the real N64 not respect VI_H_SYNC_LENGTH and VI_HSYNC_WIDTH?

[modern sleet]

Robert had mentioned there may some extra delay with real hardware

[daring meteor]

Ah, in that case hshift is cleanest yes

[modern sleet]

Yesh I'm just moving screen position 0-57 in more cases to 0-51 or end of line - 6 to end of line

Aorry

Moving sync to those pixel locations

One line being 773.5 pixels

Or 3093 at the 4x the pixel clock

[daring meteor]

Wait, isn't the screen moved to the right?

[modern sleet]

Yep

Fixed is shifted right 6 pixels

[daring meteor]

Ah got it yeah

[cerulean elk]

tracked the issue down...I think my MicroSD card reader is shitting the bed

two diff SD cards have had address space read/write issues in the last two weeks. I think its making garbage contact in the slot for MicroSD

explains why the 11/7 core wouldnt boot until I deleted and added it again. Also dragged over like 20 new games to this card...none showed up on MiSTer, none showed up in N64 folder once I popped it back in PC

easy fix...order new one

[raw oriole]

Untrustworthy tools are sooooo annoying

[cerulean elk]

yeah for a second I thought I lost my mind and didnt drag the damn files over

[raw oriole]

It's ok if they're obvious but something like that can creep up, one damaged file at a time...

Like OneDrive.

[cerulean elk]

yeah this reader isnt new but still...wtf

[chilly ember]

What brand is the reader so I know to avoid it

[cerulean elk]

unbranded...who even knows where it came from

only thing I use it for is MicroSD on MiSTer and Pocket

ordered some Anker 2 in 1 SD and MicroSD reader. Will see how it goes

[chrome quest]

Tried to see if I could see anything, on today's N64_20231108.rbf.
Looking at Waialae Country Club main menu, didn't notice anything. Went one more menu in so the intro wouldn't reload. Is this very much a blink and you miss it? When you said "sit a couple of minutes", is this a one off error, or does it repeat every so often. Wondering if minutes before it occurs is like 2, or 10

[weary perch]

i see it once a minute roughly, i didn't time it but i saw one at 1:42, 1:43

it is indeed very quick

are you playing the PAL version?

try NTSC

[languid dune]

User error detected!

[cerulean elk]

stupid ass SD card reader detected

[languid dune]

Haha, glad you got it sorted out.

[cerulean elk]

Yep. Just throw more money at problems lol

[chrome quest]

Running NTSC about 4 minutes, nothing I could see. I was trying to stare at the top right corner the whole time. Might well be I missed it, would be worth others looking by the sounds of it.
Given the minor frequency and oddity of the glitch, might be one to test on hardware to? But I can't see it sorry, I'll try the other game you mentioned

[weary perch]

what i'm seeing does not occur on hardware, nor did it occur on cores prior to 1107 as far as i can tell. the only thing i'm not sure about is whether or not it is caused by something specific to me or if anyone else can see it. almost didn't mention it, but then i saw that it only seems to happen on two games that i've seen so far and is potentially missable as it is somewhat quick. the actual glitching is not particularly minor, it flashes white and pink over a significant portion of the screen. that you can't replicate it makes me think maybe it is some kind of weird collision between my TV and something those specific games are doing on the current core, but beyond that, i'm not sure. the normal things that get rid of one-off issues (restarting everything, verifying rom hashes, re-copying core) have had no effect, i still see the issue in Battlezone and Waialae...

[chrome quest]

Sounds like it is hard to miss. Are you just looking at HDMI output? What's your vsync setting?

[weary perch]

HDMI only, haven't tried anything other than vsync_adjust=2 which is my default

i had played a fair bit of battlezone in testing as it is a problematic game but had never seen this prior to 1107

[chrome quest]

Maybe try 0, see if you still see it then? I think that's most compatible, worst added lag

[weary perch]

yeah once i get off work i'll try some stuff out

basically once a minute i see a pretty significant corruption. it's only on screen for a few frames but if you are actively playing battlezone and it happens for you you probably can't really miss it

unfortunately i don't have my capture stuff set up so i can't easily get it, but i might be able to make a phone video. if no one else can see it then i'll be doing more testing with it to see what's going on

[chrome quest]

Is Battlezone in a 480i mode? Just in the menus now, noticing the audio go wild, and the E4000000. I guess that error was noted, still in todays 1108 core

[weary perch]

when i go to the main menu of waialae i see it twice before the attract mode kicks in

in battlezone i could not replicate the E40000000 on today's core, so that's interesting lol

also Robert couldn't replicate it on yesterday's core

very strange

once you go in-game, battlezone is 480i for sure

not sure about the menus

[chrome quest]

No idea what I'm doing in Battlezone, but no visual glitch

[weary perch]

it's basically Turok controls for starters (c button move, stick look). look for the red things on the map and go blast'em, once you've blasted'em all you move on to the next mission 🙂

pretty fun game

don't worry about it too much, i think you'd notice if it were happening to you

i'll try some different resolutions and vsync settings and see what happens

[chrome quest]

I think I can get the error repeatably. @wanton sun Getting E4000000 on "Battlezone - Rise of the Black Dogs (USA)" with todays N64_20231108.rbf.
Frome fresh boot, on main menu scrolling just from "Single Player" over to "Options" hitting right twice, gets the error every time

Perhaps not so readily each time. Restart there required over back on the menus about 3 times, can always get the error right there on the menu select though

[hasty kayak]

There is a today build?!

[solid crest]

There was a test-test-build but no #test-builds

[hasty kayak]

Understood.

[compact skiff]

#1096015979055697940 message

[mossy vector]

I recall Battlezone Rise of the black Dogs on actual hardware having somewhat garbled sound even when on the menus. Like it's a buffer underrun. I was super annoyed by that game. It felt unfinished much like Vigilante 8 2nd offense.

[zenith orchid]

guess I can wait another day for a test-build

I'm already quite happy with the build I have now

[cerulean elk]

Has anyone elses HUD on Star Soldier gone missing?

nvm...I forgot I turned it off. Ignore more today...dayquil brain

[brisk drum]

Dat DayQuil chiken got you tripping

[cerulean elk]

yeah I should have played RoboCop instead

[brisk drum]

Robocop arcade right ? Not that new game cause we retro here

[weary perch]

could you try the game on the core? it does sound like buffer underrun-type issues.... it's so bad that i kind of inherently ruled out that it could be that bad on hardware lmao

i am watching a longplay that appears to be done on hardware and the audio is definitely janky and a bit crackly, but i think it may still be worse on the core haha

but yeah, damn, that is wild, it does sound really bad on hardware

hard to be sure if it actually sounds worse on the core, but it does still seem to sound at least somewhat worse. more crackly than hardware, if that makes sense. but i guess it could be accurate, lol

[weary perch]

@chrome quest can't replicate the corruption with vsync_adjust=0, so i guess those games are doing something weird with sync that my TV doesn't like. still weird that it never happened on earlier cores

[chrome quest]

Definately still wierd, I just remembered vsync_adjust coming up in a different context. I guess leaving at 0 has it's benefits (my HDMI TV is old enough that it has issues on some core or another even on 1, no video often on 2)

[inner plume]

I sometimes get weirdness playing with vsync_adjust=2 on my main gaming TV, but most of the time it just causes a flicker. I don't if there's some weird artifacting going on though when the picture blips out.

@weary perch Not sure I fully understand your issue, but you're not playing with a 1440p resolution, are you? I get artifacting sometimes when the MiSTer is pushing out 1440p

[fierce shuttle]

i`ll buy that for a dollar!

[weary perch]

i actually switched to 1080p because i occasionally had some weird issues with the pixel repetition modes like 2560x1440. all my testing has been with vsync 2, 1080p

[grand turret]

1080p also works great on my crt

[inner plume]

I wish I had a widescreen or HD CRT

[woeful grove]

does paper mario work?

[vapid hawk]

no it needs TLB

[woeful grove]

😢

[vapid hawk]

there's a decomp if you want a go at removing all the usages of it 😄

its not trivial like in mario64 though

[woeful grove]

I do not, ill wait

[chilly ember]

I have one, never use it lol

[daring meteor]

Technically there's only one usage

But nobody even removed the SM64 usage until now, soooo...

[inner plume]

I would use it for HD/FHD content. I do have other HDTVs in the house but an HD CRT would be a nice addition to the man cave

[weary perch]

i get the recurring corruption on the right side for interlaced modes in Battlezone and Waialae Country Club on both vsync 1 and 2, but not on 0

if anyone who uses vsync adjust 1 or 2 could try battlezone for a few minutes on 1107 or 1108 and see if you get a recurring corruption on the right side of the screen (happens about once a minute once in-game)

[inner plume]

Gotta grab my MiSTer and bring it down but I can check

I didn't realize there was an 1108 update

[weary perch]

it was posted in here, but not in the test-builds channel

[inner plume]

oh, a nightly?

I've got 1107

[weary perch]

the issue should occur on 1107 as well

try battlezone, get into the in-game 3D section, and then you can just sit there for a minute and watch the screen

[inner plume]

waiting for updates to finish, thought i was out of date so I ran update_all

[weary perch]

thanks for checking on this

mark eire uses vsync 0 and i can't replicate it with that so i'm still curious if this is me or everyone

[inner plume]

I'm loading it now

[chrome quest]

Cool to see the video. Yeah, definately didn't miss that effect I don't think

[weary perch]

hmm, i see it in the menus in Nascar 2000, and i'm definitely sure that game didn't do this before because i've completed that one on an earlier core

[inner plume]

audio's poppin

[weary perch]

popping audio is normal-ish heh

it might be poppin' more than hardware

just curious about that glitch in my video

[inner plume]

I'm not getting any artifacting

[weary perch]

alright, thank you for testing!

[inner plume]

However, I'm wondering how I've never played this game

Reminds me of an old online game called Wolfram

[weary perch]

it is a pretty cool game from what i've played

[inner plume]

or Wulfram

[weary perch]

apparently the PC version is the real one to play

[inner plume]

What version of this game are you running?

NTSC or PAL

[weary perch]

NTSC

[inner plume]

Let me try once more in 1080p, you said that's the output resolution you're using right?

[weary perch]

yeah

i have the optional video stuff off, vrr=0, hdr=0, video_mode=8

i get the artifacting in both vsync_adjust=1 and 2

[inner plume]

Not sure if I have HDR on or off but I have an alt config with the rest set

[weary perch]

i do have an [N64] section with vscale_mode=1 but i don't get the artifacting with vsync_adjust=0 without messing with that

i'll try commenting that out real quick

[inner plume]

No artifacting

Ah.... you know what though

I think my 1080p config has vscale_mode=0 set

[weary perch]

i have that set in my .ini overall, but i have an N64 section at the bottom as well which overrides that

commenting that out now and trying again with vsync 2

[inner plume]

just for you i'll modify my main config. but only this once!

[weary perch]

you on vsync_adjust=2 ?

[inner plume]

My main config is, yeah, but I needed to change the resolution to 1080p

Thought I'd be lazy and switch to one of my alt configs that has 1080p set but that's for compatibility, so vsync_adjust is almost certainly 0 in that one

Anyways, third times the charm

Testing once more

[weary perch]

i seem to get the same thing regardless of vscale, not surprising. just wanted to rule that out

i'm using a TCL 5 or 6 series TV, i think that's what it is anyway

i suspect it's gotta be something specific to me at this point, but it is still a bit strange

[inner plume]

Yeah, not getting any artifacting with 1080p, either

In your video, it looks like a brief roll of a scrunched menu image. I think it probably is your TV being sensitive to the signal

[weary perch]

yeah pretty much has to be

the only things that make it notable are that it only happens on a few games, only in interlaced modes, and never happened until recently

[inner plume]

Stopping on the frame, doesn't look like a scrunched menu anymore but it does look kind of like when a TV gets a refresh rate it doesn't support

[weary perch]

i will try and see if i can figure out which core specifically started doing it for me

[inner plume]

Since vsync_adjust=0 syncs to the display timing, the problem doesn't occur when that mode is set

That's my guess, anyways

[weary perch]

yeah makes total sense

[inner plume]

My TV just blips out when I have signal issues due to having 2 set

[weary perch]

i am going to see what vrr=1 does for this

[inner plume]

Does your TV support VRR?

[weary perch]

it does

[inner plume]

jelly

[weary perch]

it's only like 48-60 but it helps sometimes

oh wow, it doesn't happen with vrr=1 on my TV

interesting journey this has been 😄

[inner plume]

I don't know a ton about the inner workings of VRR but maybe it makes your TV more tolerant of the incoming signal

[weary perch]

thanks for testing that for me, i appreciate it!

honored by the ini change

i had turned off vrr awhile back when i was troubleshooting an issue because i didn't want it to interfere, but it turns out leaving it on might have been better 😄

[vague sun]

I like turtles

[inner plume]

It appears you're correct, I only find one instance of TLB mapping in the PM decomp (and an associated unmap)

[cerulean elk]

Wow dead in here

[eternal ravine]

(redacted)

[inner plume]

I'm busy coming to terms with the fact that I'm too out of practice with C and not familiar enough with n64 dev to patch TLB out of Paper Mario lol

[brisk drum]

No repeating gifs bro

[fair stump]

Anyone here smart enough to make a patch for yoshi story that unlocks everything?

[viral portal]

How hard can it be? CTRL+F "TLB," delete, compile!

[inner plume]

Looking through the decomp there aren't many calls to it, the only calls to the osMapTLB and such functions are used for effects

But where I'm failing is basically forgetting how to read some more advanced syntax correctly, and also trying to wrap my head around how normal memory allocation works. Docs are helpful but it's not as "quick n dirty" as I hoped it would be

I haven't used C professionally in about 10 years

[cerulean elk]

Control-Alt-TLB

[inner plume]

this is the way

I'm no stranger to programming but I've been spoiled by high level languages in my field

[mossy vector]

I guess if you think about what malloc(), realloc() and free() do, there are many alternatives to keeping track if you don't worry about absolute efficiency.

Make it work, then make it work well

[inner plume]

I think I need to spend some time reading through chapters 9 and 10 of the n64 programming manual

all about memory allocation

I was able to find some memory allocation functions similar to malloc, free, etc. I think I just need to put in the time to refresh my memory and learn more about the N64 environment

[quasi storm]

I think it may be an issue with gsync\freesync, HDR, and vsync adjust 2. I had an issue with it awhile back, and went to Reddit about it. No one really had a good solution other than "Don't use those settings."

[inner plume]

Sometimes it sucks but modern TVs can be funky about the signal they receive

And often it's difficult to find out how well they support non-standard resolutions and refresh rates

So you just have to kind of hope for the best

I have a panasonic plasma that works great with the original display timings, but both of my 4K TVs can be very picky with the signal

One I figured out how to get to display 1440p fine (combination of menu settings), the other one just flat out doesn't support 1440p but only from the mister for some reason. 1440p works fine with my xbox and ps5 on that TV

And the one that doesn't work with 1440p on the mister also has severe flickering issues when vsync_adjust=1|2 is set

So I pretty much have to use 0 on that one, and just use 1080p/720p

[zinc dew]

Wow Top Gear Hyperbike is basically perfect now.

[weary perch]

that looks slightly different. i don't use HDR and turning on VRR actually largely mitigated my issue

that flicker is constant in your video

the corruption that happens when i use vsync_adjust=1|2 and vrr=0 with certain games only happens like once per minute

but yeah, probably same culprit of tv not liking the signal

[mossy vector]

De-capitated Head Mario is really a deep state puppet actor in the backroom. TLB is really a 3 letter secret agency. Not in my MiSTer. https://youtu.be/R1t6iNG28zI?si=LdKQQDrJdFVDnDh3

[inner plume]

TLB is actually a delicious sandwich

Tomato on the outside

Bacon on the inside

Piece of lettuce between the bacons

[chilly ember]

Your mom isn't too out of practice with C

[chilly ember]

I understand the bacon part but where is robby?

[trim seal]

I just dropped in to read for the first time today and this is definitely my favourite out-of-context line.

[quasi storm]

Here is another video showing the issue in a more egregious case. This is somewhat old. I have no idea if any changes were made to address it, or if there is even anything on the MiSTer's end that CAN be changed.

[weary perch]

oh wow, that's wild

[quasi storm]

This was the initial TMNT core, not Jotego's. After some testing, I managed to fall on a configuration compromise. HDR, with vsync 0, and VRR IIRC. My bad, y'all. Only posted this as an extension of an N64 related post. As you were.

[wanton sun]

instead of shifting the sync, we could also shift the content each line by some pixels. Just tell me how many and i prepare a build. I wouldn't be surprised if there was some internal delay on the color due to VI processing, but for now i didn't implement/need that so it's zero

[modern sleet]

6

[wanton sun]

6 pixels right?

i will try that

[wanton sun]

yes, looks exactly like it should just have a delay before starting with color

[modern sleet]

This was me shifting the sync

[wanton sun]

this is the same for interlaced i guess?

[modern sleet]

I believe so

[wanton sun]

i will try to make a test build today

[modern sleet]

Thanks! Yeah, the sync shift works for almost everything, but it does not like interlaced games with really odd resolutions for some reason. But its not optimal

[fierce garden]

Anyone having issues with nso controls? Cannot move up or down on joystick anymore. All other buttons work fine. Tried re-pairing and same thing. Input test does not register y -axis

[modern sleet]

I did adjust the vsync by one line though with this

             if ((vpos_half <= videoout_settings.VI_VSYNC_WIDTH - 2) or (vpos_half >= videoout_settings.VI_V_SYNC - 1) ) then

E.g. from 0 - 5, to 0 - 3 or end of frame - 2

[wanton sun]

map sticks in menu core before going into n64 core

[fierce garden]

Ok I’ll give it a shot

[wanton sun]

we can also shift the vertical output down one line, instead of shifting the sync

that also makes sense for the VI processing, as it needs to process the previos+current+next line

it should be the cleaner solution also, in case a game depends on changing the content because it's read 1 line later

i just didn't do it yet, because this offset was now known, but as you are sure it's 1 line, i can do it

[fierce garden]

It works! Thank you sir 😁

[wanton sun]

i cannot get it, are you really sure it's the test build here from the channel?

[inner plume]

I am getting E4000000 on the options menu of Battlezone, but this is from v231107. Doesn't hang, just displays the error code if the overlay is enabled but the game still seems to run

[wanton sun]

yes, 07 has this, that was the only fix in 08

you can try this:#1096015979055697940 message

[inner plume]

I've got a few minutes, I can check quick. I'm not the person who originally reported that issue, though'

I'm not seeing the error anymore after going to v231108

[wanton sun]

thank you

[inner plume]

@wanton sun with the same game, I noticed that there are audio issues (like the excessive popping in the menu and during gameplay). This doesn't appear to occur when I load up the game on my N64 proper

Just wanted to point it out since others were saying it occurs on original hardware

[wanton sun]

yes, the audio has bugs in this game

[uncut gyro]

Does anyone have a source for a “pre” missed 8bitdo with hull sensors? I’d like to buy sometime where it’s just plug and play (for my 8 year old child)

[chrome quest]

I'm confident it was the build posted in this channel yesterday, but I'll double check from a fresh reboot later today. Can think of any other variables that might explain a difference...?

[weary perch]

@wanton sun I can replicate E4000000 in 1108 by staying in the menus in Battlezone and moving the cursor around

the error no longer occurs in any of the other games it appeared in, just Battlezone in 1108

if you just go into the game, you won't trigger the error

well, i say that, but i'm having a difficult time replicating it again this morning. all i can say is that i've been able to replicate the error multiple times on 1108, but only when moving around in the menus, never once i've actually gone into the 3D part of the game

last night i just went into and back out of the options menu a few times and moved the cursor around and eventually E4000000 triggered

the same actions don't seem to be getting it to pop this morning... no idea

no matter what i do, it doesn't seem to trigger the error anymore. i'm 99% sure i've seen it more than once on 1108 because i also tested all the other games that showed it and they are all clear now, which only happened in 1108. i only noticed it in the first place because Mark reported it - i didn't get it in my initial testing. i went back tried moving around in the menus after that and was able to get it to pop at least twice. this morning i try moving around in the menus for minutes on end and it never pops...

but i think Robert also reported not being originally able to replicate this battlezone error on 1107 as well. so i really have no idea on this one. i was just going to quickly replicate it so i could get a picture of the error popping on 1108, but i don't seem to be able to get it to happen anymore. bizarre

hmmm, yeah. i'm a bit confused, but unless Mark can replicate it again on 1108, i simply can't seem to be able to repro the error in battlezone anymore

as far as the audio, my best understanding so far is that the game sounds pretty bad on hardware (and the bad audio has been noted by some reviewers playing on hardware - glenn plant said he thought the game had blown his speakers out at first), but significantly worse on the core currently. which is kind of confusing and also hard to describe in words

[chrome quest]

This sounds very odd. I'll be able to check mine again in a few hours

[trim seal]

Battlezone on 1107 triggers an E4000000 pretty quickly. Updating to 1108 now.

1108 - sound is still gnarly, sparkle sounds like dsp chatter., like when you have an approximate log function for audio that has fairly discrete steps rather than precise calculations. Not that that helps much.
Not getting E4000000 though.

[tropic sand]

@wanton sun just for info...I reset my n64 core settings and the papermario logos are now showing correctly without the box around them. Odd but fixed 😀

[wanton sun]

probably some VI setting was wrong or some of the debug options

@weary perch i could reproduce it with the 07 version. It's actually the game i used to debug it 🙂

[native mesa]

I don't know of any but the mod kit may be a fun project to do with an 8 year old. Seeing the inner workings of the controller and such. No soldering is required with the 8bitdo modkit and hall effect stick

[chrome quest]

Well, I can't get E4000000 on "Battlezone - Rise of the Black Dogs (USA)" today, testing the N64_20231108.rbf core.
I had done a fresh boot straight to game test before when I had the issue. Same INI settings. Perhaps I had somehow clicked the wrong core?
Otherwise I believe I ran update_all yesterday after I had seen the error. It would have been about a week since I had last updated when I saw the error, been manually transferring the N64 cores

[weary perch]

my only conclusion is i must have also clicked the wrong core, which seems unlikely to me but less unlikely than seeing an error that i can't reproduce today 😄

[uncut gyro]

Good to know! We already put a new gate in her Mayflash F100 when she was 4, so if there’s no soldering it is a good DIY project!

[chrome quest]

I don't think I had the wrong core date, only a few in a separate folder. Can't think of any other differences that might explain the issue though

[ebon kindle]

dang I just thought about it, does Doubutsu no Mori run well on the N64 core?

[weary perch]

there's no RTC yet, but otherwise it works pretty well

[ebon kindle]

Alright

https://github.com/Polprzewodnikowy/SummerCart64

Woa, this is interesting

[mild ether]

Damn, I better sell my everdrive quick.

[ebon kindle]

You can order it on PCBway but idk how to really use it lol

[inner plume]

Wow, shots fired at ED

[mellow raft]

Stll no wifi...

[ebon kindle]

It's still really intresting lol

[inner plume]

Oh I agree

[mellow raft]

It is. I've been pretty happy with my 64Drive though

Granted nobody can really get those :/

[inner plume]

Never used a 64Drive, very happy with my Everdrive

[mellow raft]

I got lucky...

[inner plume]

Haven't needed to use the USB interface though as I don't do N64 homebrew (maybe I should practice though given last night's disappointment 😄 )

[mellow raft]

It's very handy when wanting to test if new hacks work on real hardware

unfloader is cool

[inner plume]

Not sure what they mean by "overcomplicated SD card access", though

[mellow raft]

Back when I was doing a lot of maintenance on the N64 HTGDB pack SMDB... it was very handy to quickly test if the hacks I was using worked

[inner plume]

While I do use flashcarts on other consoles for romhacks that are near and dear to me which I want a "physical copy" (mostly fan translations), what is the benefit of a single-game flashcart vs. something like ultra64 or an everdrive?

[ebon kindle]

I don't really know what to get for a flashcart, most are pretty expensive and I don't know on which I should invest on

[mellow raft]

what do you mean "single game flashcart"?

[inner plume]

Like, in terms of homebrew development

[mellow raft]

The idea of a flashcart is a "flashable" chip to be able to hotswap the rom on the fly

[inner plume]

It can only fit a single rom, it's not a multiloading interface reading from an SD card like the everdrive

[mellow raft]

yeah that would just be a repro (reproduction) at that point. which is far cheaper to make

there are decent better quality repros out there

[mild ether]

Honestly never would have bought an everdrive if I knew there was going to be a core on MiSTer.

[mellow raft]

if I had a MiSTer at the time I might've considered not buying the UltraHDMI and 64Drive :S

[ebon kindle]

I'm stuck on if I should get a MiSTer or a n64 flashcart

[inner plume]

Nevermind; I thought this was just a single-game flashcart, but the diagram shows a slot for an SD card. I presume then this would be competition to the ED, then

[mellow raft]

MiSTer

Mate... you're asking about buying something that gives you one console, vs hundreds of platforms

And the video output of the MiSTer is clean af

[mild ether]

I think you would be much happier with the MiSTer.

[mellow raft]

even on a meh HD TV, the latency is still leagues better than any emulator....

[inner plume]

If you had to pick between one or the other, cost of either aside, get a MiSTer

[ebon kindle]

But the thing is I'm not gonna use it for a bunch of consoles, NES, SNES, and GBA are covered by my Wii, so idk but I also wanna play PSX

Then again, I'll be able to play so much more

And also I won't have to emulate the consoles and all that stuff

agh this is confusing

[mellow raft]

Speaking from experience. Stop buying individual console upgrades. The MiSTer gives you a much nicer experience...

Even if you're not using original cartridges, which I get, the convenience was even enough for Try from My Life in Gaming to give it a go... and he's generally pretty adamant about using original cartridges

[inner plume]

The ED is fantastic in my experience but I also bought this before I even had a MiSTer, let alone before we knew the N64 core would be a thing

[mild ether]

It's like buying a N64 with HDMI and an Everdrive.

[ebon kindle]

I don't really care about HDMI, i'll use it on a CRT anyway

[mellow raft]

trust me when I say... that nobody can SHOW you the power of a low-latency setup like the MiSTer until you see it for yourself. Once you first boot a Super Nintendo game on the MiSTer, you'll be dumbstruck by how responsive it is compared to emulation

Even through HDMI.... it's leagues faster

My friend was so dumbstruck when I brought my MiSTer to his house and hooked it up to his Vizio HD TV... he held the controller.... pressed jump on Super Mario World.... and then and there decided to buy a MiSTer

he went... huh....

It isn't possible to convince you until you see it for yourself... the latency is THAT good

[mild ether]

Ok, MiSTer has super clean S-Video and RGB.

[ebon kindle]

You're right, it'll just be better to invest in a MiSTer instead

[inner plume]

@ebon kindle Wii emulation does not hold a candle to MiSTer or original hardware

[mellow raft]

Honestly via HDMI... my CRT and LG OLED are neck and neck on latency...

[ebon kindle]

Haha alright

[mellow raft]

I see no difference in latency mate

The MiSTer is that fast

And I have them side by side and have a good eye

[inner plume]

I have roughly a frame of lag due to upscaling to 4K by my HDTV

but it's extremely close

[ebon kindle]

You got like any comparisions with S-Video on the MiSTer compared to like original hardware on a CRT?

[mellow raft]

frame of lag is no problem at all for the average speedrunner even

[zinc dew]

@ebon kindle using the Wii is fine but you really should buy the mind goblin adapter to get a cleaner signal

[inner plume]

yeah, I don't speedrun so there's only one game the difference has ever caused me trouble with

Mother 3 for GBA

damn rhythm combos are frame specific on the beat, I swear

[mellow raft]

hahaha

[inner plume]

As a musician I still have trouble hitting those combos even in the early game

SMW Kaizo be damned, latency kills me for Mother 3

[mellow raft]

I'm not speaking as a sponsor because the MiSTer isn't a product... it's a community. Save the money to buy a MiSTer my friend ^^ @ebon kindle you won't regret it

[ebon kindle]

Random GBA game, Rhythm Tengoku really relies on latency, emulating that game is horrible because you really need the timing lol

[mild ether]

No. just my eyeballs. It's hard to say what all is a factor but I use pro grade cables with MiSTer and it remarkably better than OEM cables with original hardware.

[ebon kindle]

haha alright

[inner plume]

@ebon kindle I can do some comparison shots if you'd like

[mellow raft]

yeah he was saying his TV upscaling caused the frame of lag 😉

[ebon kindle]

Please, that'd be amazing

[inner plume]

I have N64+ED64 over S-Video hooked up to the same CRT my MiSTer is

[zinc dew]

see my post up above?

[inner plume]

I have to, ya know, work for a while

But at some point this morning I can probably get some time to compare a game or two

[ebon kindle]

You know what, fuck it, y'all sold me. I'm broke at the moment but I'll save up the cash to buy one

[mellow raft]

you really won't regret it

🙂

[inner plume]

@ebon kindle You won't be disappointed

[mellow raft]

I wish I had stopped buying console upgrades long ago

[inner plume]

Granted, keep in mind the core isn't done yet

[ebon kindle]

Yea I saw it, i'll add that to a list so I'll know what to buy

[mellow raft]

it's getting close though haha

[inner plume]

Some stuff is still not working or not accurately represented on MiSTer yet for N64

[zinc dew]

oh damn you're familiar with the mind goblin adapter?

[ebon kindle]

By the time I can afford one, i'll be so much better lol

[inner plume]

But I can at least show you the difference in image clarity

[ebon kindle]

Not really, but y'all did reccomend it to me once

[zinc dew]

DO YOU MIND GOBLIN DEEEEZ NUTSSSSSS 😂 🤣

[mellow raft]

keep in mind, you don't need to go all out starting out

[inner plume]

The core already gets the natural feel of the N64 with its various processing effects it applies to games

[ebon kindle]

😔

[mellow raft]

Maybe $310 will get you the minimum necessary to play almost anything... including shipping

Stupid easy to assemble a MiSTer together

You don't have to get the full stack of boards if you want to save a little cash and buy the rest later

🙂

[zinc dew]

CHAOS

[inner plume]

I just bought mine, TBH. Paid a premium for it, but at the time some of the components I wanted weren't available

[ebon kindle]

Alright, well what's the website to buy all the addons? I saw where I can get the FPGA lol

[elfin depot]

Easy to solve, do the test with the 240p test suite

[zinc dew]

www.misteraddons.com

[mellow raft]

Terasic for the De10-nano

[ebon kindle]

thx :D

[inner plume]

That's how I tested display lag 🙂

[zinc dew]

he is a friend so I am biased but he really does make the best equipment

[inner plume]

Misteraddons is where I bought my MiSTer as well

Very happy with it

[mellow raft]

MiSTer Addons or Legacy Pixels are great in the US

[zinc dew]

Legacy Pixels is also great

[mellow raft]

Highly recommend both

[ebon kindle]

Thanks, i'll look into it haha

[elfin depot]

If you snap a pic of both, it shows the lag

[inner plume]

Yep, the TVs are next to each other

[mellow raft]

Retrocastle's store on Aliexpress is also recomended for prebuilt kits

[elfin depot]

My 2007fp isn't bad either

[mellow raft]

They're also unique because they offer the same functionality in a smaller package

It's a two-board stack instead of the normal 3

his store is the only one on aliexpress we recommend. He works with the community regularly to ensure compatibility, and stands by his products

He actually designed his own All-in-one IO board

[ebon kindle]

sadly out of stock but this is intresting

[mellow raft]

it's really cool design

[elfin depot]

Works great

[mellow raft]

yep. Should be able to find someone that has one I expect. The designs and documentation are public... so a lot of different sellers sell the same components

Might want to check with us for recommended outlets though. A number of places do shoddy work

@twin barn is there a reason the wiki still has antonivillena's store listed as recommended?

I really question why that is...

[ebon kindle]

Ok well, what's a good S-video, video thingy output lmao

[mellow raft]

as long as its the MikeS design you'd be fine... mmm

[novel junco]

Man, I tried playing Cruisn' World last night and it just not as good as Cruisn' USA! Why did they go and change the controls!! 😭

[ebon kindle]

Also, what parts should I even get to start with?

[mellow raft]

https://ultimatemister.com/product/mikes1-yc-passive-board/

bit of a shipping cost possibly, but they have it in stock currrently

I'd expect MiSTer addons gets stock regularly though

I'm just not sure if it will have the case with it

[ebon kindle]

I see, thanks :D

Wait how does this even hook up to the mister?

[mellow raft]

vga port on the IO board

[ebon kindle]

ohh

[ebon kindle]

curious, can this just be used as just a vga to svideo converter?

[mellow raft]

it does a bit of encoder magic specific to the MiSTer I believe

[ebon kindle]

Oh i see

kinda curious because I got this USB hub for my macbook and it has VGA out lol

[mellow raft]

VGA by modern standards is different than the signals that would be outputted by the MiSTer

[ebon kindle]

ohh ok

[elfin depot]

The active one is better (I have both)

[mellow raft]

but if you had an old PC CRT monitor, you could use that with computer cores 🙂

[ebon kindle]

Wait, since it's in euros do I have to pay like some import fee to ship to the US?

[orchid nimbus]

Amdree misteraddons sells the same

[ebon kindle]

i am not smart 💀

[inner plume]

@ebon kindle Comparisons of OOT on Mister (HDMI), Mister (CRT), and N64 (CRT, excuse the slightly off color here, it's either a problem with the N64 or S-Video cable)

[ebon kindle]

Dang, that looks really clear :0

[inner plume]

Note the HDMI is 1440p resolution with a display filter applied, making it look extra good (IMO, anyways)

Mister -> HDMI video should be obvious, top right is the MiSTer -> CRT, bottom right is N64 -> CRT

Also looks like Discord reduces the video quality. Looks much clearer on my phone

Also technically the video signal from MiSTer is cleaner than the N64, since MiSTer goes over component and natively, the best N64 can use is S-Video

[mellow raft]

sadly yeah Discord does reencode video :S

yeah I noticed the color was way better in the video for the MiSTer

the N64 one looks way more red

[inner plume]

The N64 has a problem, and I think it's with the N64. Only happens over S-Video, the color is off

But the same cable with my SNES everything looks fine

But there is something to keep in mind regarding color, just don't judge the color difference between the two based on these due to the problem with my N64

Analog out for Mister only supports 18-bit color over component

N64 renders 24-bit color

So there will be some color banding you don't see on original hardware when outputting to a CRT. Doesn't really bother me, but it is there, does not happen over HDMI since digital out does not have this restriction

The way around this is to use direct video to output to a CRT, but there are caveats to this approach as well (requiring specific hardware, lose the ability to output to analog and HDMI simultaneously, probably some other things).

[zinc dew]

"The N64 has a problem, and I think it's with the N64"

you got that right!

[inner plume]

😄

[mellow raft]

nah the problem is Quest 64

[inner plume]

I worded that horribly

f u quest 64 is life

quest is life

i need a shrek meme generator

[mellow raft]

ngl I've shared this community's history with Quest 64

They loved it so much that we had our own fights among our private local group of friends.

One guy was like hey I loved that as a kid. Fun game!

We told him to play it

He said "I don't know why I liked this"

[inner plume]

Anyways, the color issue only happens with my N64 when I use an S-Video cable. Over composite everything looks good. It's not the TV as SNES draws everything correctly

[ebon kindle]

What addons should I get for the Mister besides the IO board and the Y/C video converter?

[native mesa]

RAM

[ebon kindle]

Uh, how much is a good amount?

[native mesa]

128 I think should cover all cores

[mellow raft]

you'll want the max to cover all cores which is 128MB

just one stick

that $310 or so I mentioned would be the De10-nano, an analog IO board, a single RAM 128MB stick, and a $8 or so basic Micro USB to USB hub

[ebon kindle]

Alright