Nintendo 64

[rose elbow]

appreciate the help regardless 🙏

[zenith orchid]

which patcher are you using?

[rose elbow]

flips, and also https://www.romhacking.net/patch/

using the url one, the SHA-1 for both files was matching the readme both times

[stiff condor]

I would try myself but don't own the game

[rose elbow]

its pretty cheap on steam atm lol

but i want them chunky pixels

[elfin depot]

I can loan you a copy

[stiff condor]

Do you actually own it on N64 though?

[elfin depot]

Yeah, it's in the other case, should move it over to this one

[clever turret]

used this with default settings to swap my Majora's mask save. Just renamed the save when i was done with the proper file extension. EZPZ

[rose jolt]

N64 looks better on a CRT

it hides its "imperfections"

Doom 64 is a great game, I don't have it on switch though

[compact lark]

For me, the PS1, N64 and Saturn look just right for composite but for Ps2, composite looks yucky and prefer svideo on that.

[brisk edge]

Composite is just too noisy for me most of the time. Give me s-video, component or RGB

[fierce girder]

S-Video is my perfect middle ground. Looks 90% as good as component/RGB for 40% of the cost, looks “as good as I remember” when in reality it’s much better than the RF and composite I grew up with

[brisk edge]

It's a huge step up from what most of us used for sure, I remember being so floored with upgrading all my cables when I was still heavily using a CRT to s-video. So much clearer

[lilac scroll]

I’m still rocking my st60

[chilly ember]

My brother had a 60 inch plasma from 2006 that ended up with really bad burn in from the ui from his son playing Minecraft on it alot the last couple years and his wife made him get rid of it

[trim seal]

You misspelled "Features"

[languid dune]

I've never liked the look of composite video once I first experienced s-video with my SNES and 3DO back in the day. I can always see the noise it creates. Like it's destroying the image.

[chilly ember]

I never used s video at all until way past their life cycles so I was pleasantly surprised when I first tried it. I grew up with shitty sets and never seen better on a crt. When I saved up enough money for an Xbox 360 when I was 13, I was still playing it over composite on a 27 inch durabrand crt

I was called a hacker online for being so good on cod 4 and finished dead rising on that set along with other launch titles

[brisk edge]

playing hd era games in 480i was definitely a thing for a while for me lol

[lament escarp]

I also played ps3 via composite for quite some time. The jump to hdmi when I finally got a hdtv was mind blowing.

[chilly ember]

I would go visit my brother in 2006 for the summer in a small town and going from the composite crt to HDMI on that tv was breath taking

I finished lost planet on it and it was an amazing experience

Nowadays a 60 inch looks small but back then it was gigantic in my eyes

[lament escarp]

You were smaller as well

[devout leaf]

Shame Zenimax went after Doom RL.

[solemn maple]

Got a feeling we'll get new games working today

[bronze tree]

the 3rd hand is very convenient 🙂

[solemn maple]

I wonder what the 4th one is doing 😮

[remote hatch]

scratches his back

[odd vector]

4th Hand is working on tlb

[spark granite]

I ordered one from Etsy

[zinc dew]

Damn, he can code without even looking at the screen

[onyx minnow]

if that's not an AI generated image i don't know what is 😆

[rose elbow]

you can normally tell when an N64 image is AI generated by how many C buttons the controller has. this one is a little hard to confirm

[chrome lodge]

@onyx minnow thats mspaint from XP actually

[weary palm]

How is it a lie?

[zinc dew]

It’s not

The system bus is 64-bits

The N64’s VR4300 CPU has a 16 KB instruction cache and an 8 KB data cache, probably what he’s referring to.

checkmate, PlayStation nerds

[graceful radish]

Hahaha

[last scarab]

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/I3cAAOSw30liSzmf/s-l1600.png

[graceful radish]

Nintendo 64 brings the fun

PSX brings sports and RPG

Sega brings the arcade ports and Sonic

[normal basin]

WOW I love Robert! This N64 core is a dream come true

[daring meteor]

Jaguar brings the Bubsy In Fairy Tales

[normal basin]

is there a patrion page for him to donate

[thorn flax]

yeah

[weary perch]

https://www.patreon.com/FPGAzumSpass

[normal basin]

also im trying to use a two port snac adapter with two N64 controllers, how do I get the mister to recogize the 2nd controller and as player 2?

[thorn flax]

set both controllers in the osd to snac?

what adapter you got

[normal basin]

both are set to snac and im using SNAC ULTIMATE

https://ultimatemister.com/product/ultimate-snac-mini-hdmi/https://ultimatemister.com/product/ultimate-snac-mini-hdmi/

I also have a game pro blissbox adapter but its one port...and there is only 1 snac port

[viral portal]

There isn't a 4th hand. This is the guy the N64 controller was designed for.

[viral portal]

Also shitty hands, which... these are looking really good for AI, honestly.

[graceful radish]

You might have to ask the vendor

I don't have any experience with the SNAC Ultimate

[weary perch]

@fair stump if you end up testing Big Mountain 2000 again, the bug the game currently shows (still happens in 1029 and async builds) happens whenever something gets too close to the camera. it happens in races when racers get between you and the camera, but it also happens with track geometry. the most consistent way to trigger it is to run Course 4 on Slalom or Big Slalom. just following the slalom gates will generally trigger it about 2/3 of the way through the course. in both gate routes, there's a part where you hit a gate on the right side and immediately have to swerve left over an incline that quickly shoots back down. when you go over that incline, or around it, you'll almost always trigger the bug. it causes major green/purple artifacts wherever the close object is on the screen. it's a weird issue and not the easiest one to test, but i figured i'd give you what i know about it in case you end up testing the game again

Beetle is looking great with the smoke/fog fix from a few days back

minor timing issues and an occasional polygon flicker are the only issues i see left with that game

[orchid nimbus]

this core is now worth $8000 for 1 game

also: what an idiot 😄

[daring meteor]

lmao

[cerulean elk]

Fools and their money

[cerulean elk]

They were five bits away from glory!

[balmy dagger]

My heart bleeds...

[orchid nimbus]

I gave away one of a kind development carts with unreleased code

I even sent it to the guy in the UK

It was collecting dust on my shelve

told him he could keep it as I didn't want it back

some people are just idiots

[brisk drum]

I smell TLB cooking !

Robert in the kitchen

[brisk drum]

https://tenor.com/view/simple-jack-sad-crying-gif-21989598

[odd vector]

What? TLB? No way

[daring meteor]

I smell the interlaced on analog bug fix

[brisk drum]

I’m speculating of course

[odd vector]

I smell no new build today

[zinc dew]

hey speculating, I’m Robby

[brisk drum]

I’m joking as well

Interlacing on analog would be cool .. was playing Wonder Project J2 or whatever that’s called and it was kinda fuzzy

[orchid nimbus]

Tractor Loader backhoe.

that was my intelligent contribution for today

[brisk drum]

Someday !!

[orchid nimbus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95QpHJX55bM

[chilly pivot]

So I tested the wrestling games. It’s all there, the images etc. only one flaw…the intro from wcw nwo revenge is with the audio not synchro. But I believe it’s not a major issue. I believe that will goes away with the next updates. I love this core ❤️

[orchid nimbus]

@chilly pivot - I love the German word for Onion 😄

[chilly pivot]

😊👍 Dankeschön

[orchid nimbus]

kein probleem 🙂

"But I believe it’s a major issue."

it will probably improve

I think you forgot a 'not' 🙂

[chilly pivot]

It’s corrected, thanks 🙂

[orchid nimbus]

mystical ninja did the same initially - but after some speed up on some instructions the intro synced up

same for Mario Kart 64

[chilly pivot]

I just believe the accurate video audio synch is not implemented

Not yet

[orchid nimbus]

what finished earlier, video or audio?

[chilly pivot]

Audio

No wait

Video

The video is too fast

[worn delta]

Robert did buy an N64 with digital out recently, presumably so he can better track timing issues against real hardware

[chilly pivot]

But hey, it’s nitpicking. This core is my favorite and I love how good it is 😊👍

[orchid nimbus]

video finishing before audio means it can be synced by slowing down

speeding up might be a bigger issue 😄

the audio is pretty much 1:1

[orchid nimbus]

he gets quite some Patreon support else I would have personally pitched in

(yes I'm on his patreon https://www.patreon.com/FPGAzumSpass )

@chilly pivot my favorite core is still the PSX one

followed by the GBA

SNES

PC Engine'

[worn delta]

Yeah, I do feel he should feel more open to just putting a request for hardware. I bet if he had just said "Anyone willing to send me an NTSC with digital out" then someone would have happily mailed him one. I bet if he even asked to borrow a 64DD someone would be willing to

[chilly pivot]

Here is a good comparison:
How it should be: https://youtu.be/88XnUHAX5-o?si=Ga5b65mRm9ONllOk

Ands here is it now on mister: https://youtu.be/fM6drqc8zwU?si=38eWwxXjYudQhE6b (just ignore the 4K stuff etc)

[chilly pivot]

I love this core too. I love to play Japanese games 😄

[wanton sun]

thursday is always my long work day 😦 i don't think i uploaded any core on that day in the last months. Also i'm working on the async stuff, so no new games, only working games being more accurate

[covert bough]

and we love you for it

[cerulean elk]

I am out of office until Saturday so I wholly approve no new core till then 🤣

VGE mobile production unit is packed up until sat

[uncut gyro]

The good news is we are running out of bugs that happen within the first million instructions of a game running

The bad news is we are running out of bugs that happen within the first million instructions of a game running

debugging, fixing, and retesting cycles are becoming longer, same as with most of the other cores

[wanton sun]

first million not even gets you out of the PIF startup 😉

debugging a faster CPU is really a nightmare if it's at instruction level. You could probably complete some gameboy or lynx games with the same amount of cpu instruction it takes to get ingame for some n64 games

[lean spruce]

wow, that gives some perspective

[dense wagon]

that does sound like a total nightmare

[wanton sun]

but yes, debugging that is difficult and i hope you understand why i postpone the TLB as the last CPU feature: it will make debugging the CPU and potentially the whole core even more difficult

[dense wagon]

and there was me thinking debugging a broken ZX spectrum was hard lol

[lean spruce]

it makes total sense.

[wanton sun]

if we have a larger, faster FPGA, no issue. but with the constraints we have to live with, it's a tradeoff we have to live with

i'm still happy we can even run the CPU at full speed. This was never expected when i started early this year

the original plan was always to stay at 66% cpu speed (psx2x speed) and help with additional caches and ram bandwidth

[cerulean elk]

I’m still optimistic we will have something playable by the time Santa comes 😆

[lean spruce]

Would be interesting to hear your take on Mars as a dev platform once its available. It doesnt have that many more LE´s but as I understand it, thats not the only significance in FPGA development

[wanton sun]

i downloaded the software to try how fast it could do the n64 core or at least the cpu, but the software just crashes when i want to create any new project or load any existing project, so i gave up. Have no time to dig into it

[lean spruce]

lol

[odd vector]

@cerulean elk woah you are really bad at DKR 🔥

[cerulean elk]

Lol Andy D sent me that. Don’t be shit talking Andy

[odd vector]

I was worried for a bit 😂

[lean spruce]

I laughed as well when I saw that video haha

[cerulean elk]

Haha ok stop over. Back to driving. Show back on the road

[languid dune]

Drop your head in shame Andy!

[rose jolt]

I want to share something with you guys, many years ago I bought a Gold N64, it looked great! but I had problems with two games I tested back then.

The first, Super Mario 64, the game would boot up, the "it's a me Mario!", and then...black screen

The second, Indiana Jones and infernal machine, it would boot to some garbled graphics (pic incoming) BUT i found that with the expansion pack the game would boot normally

without expansion pack:

With expansion pack

So, I just installed the N64 Core, and learned about TLB and stuff, so I patched mario 64 no face

and tested it on the n64 (ignore the black case, I shell swapped the gold n64 with a working console)

and....it played fine !

So, i'm guessing that N64 CPU is damaged

lol

[mild ether]

Lol, they must have forgotten to implement TLB on that console.

[rose jolt]

I go to the compatibility sheet, and I see that indiana jones also uses TLB

😄 😄

[knotty zealot]

that belongs in a museum

IT IS I, CAPTAIN OBVIOUS

[mild ether]

Bad ram im guessing.

[rose jolt]

would it be possible to fix it changing ram?

or could it be the cpu?

[mild ether]

I am just spit balling but that would be my guess that it's a memory issue.

[rose jolt]

Well, some day I'll try to replace the ram, just for science

[mild ether]

I wonder if there is a test for the memory. I bet there is something that does comprehensive testing.

[daring meteor]

Lfmao

[mild ether]

https://github.com/lemmy-64/n64-systemtest

That would tell you if something is off.

[rose jolt]

and it looks like the test catridge was recently dumped

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ro4XaGtyeEk

so...

Oh well no biggie, I just tested mario kart 64 on mister and my god, this looks like sorcery

[tender pine]

Can anybody point me in the direction of the line of code I need to add to my ini file which allows the N64 core to be added to my update_all?

[quasi storm]

Check the pins.

[tender pine]

Should a new build release tomorrow or over the weekend should running the update_all after I add this line of code download and install it?

Like, will this keep me up to date with the latest builds?

[hasty musk]

yes, no problem

[tender pine]

Nice.

[orchid nimbus]

https://vampier.net/N64/

some idiot wrote it all down for you guys

[mild ether]

With charts and graphs even

[daring meteor]

Oh yeah you should update your FAQ

Not FAQ

The unsupported features I mean

[orchid nimbus]

oh yeah

[daring meteor]

I remember MVG reading it off while it was outdated (rip), lol

[lament escarp]

Didn't recognize your nick at first because of the new pick. Was preparing for drama. 😄

[orchid nimbus]

    <li>CRT support and Y/C-support</li>
    <li>CRT support and Y/C-support</li>
    <li>SNAC - WIP by a 3rd party</li>```

moved

[daring meteor]

RDP Functions like LOD, RGBA correction, Anti-aliasing , dithering, dedither (and then some)

Change to

RDP Functions like LOD, YUV (and then some)

Also you wrote CRT support twice

[orchid nimbus]

yeah

sorry multi-tasking

[daring meteor]

Issalright

[zealous hull]

I thought you were going on hiatus with the FAQ, Vampier?

[daring meteor]

Thank you for the changes

[orchid nimbus]

nah - I took a week off to spend in Las Vegas

but everyone got covid

so I drove back the next day with my wife having covid

[zealous hull]

Not much of a week off...

[orchid nimbus]

I saw the dome

[patent dragon]

no mario64 on it though,

[daring meteor]

Sad

[orchid nimbus]

this was my view when I woke up the next morning

[woeful beacon]

I cant fit that into my n64 controller, it looks a bit too big

[orchid nimbus]

had a whole 2nd floor of a pretty nice house

18K people fit in that dome

[woeful beacon]

and not a single one wants to play adventuretaco in street fighter

what a shame

[orchid nimbus]

oh yeah - changed it to an AI generated image

[lament escarp]

Looks nice!

[orchid nimbus]

it's a Vampire on his Panasonic MSX 😉

it seems testing has stalled for the N64 core

Release Date = Data I collected the data and added an entry

(last 2 entries are the same)

[daring meteor]

I bet soon we will start seeing our first marks of perfect

Whenever we get the go ahead from Robert, probably when Audio changes clock

[hollow rune]

In like an hour I am streaming N64 stuff. Anything anyone wants to see?

[plush summit]

GEX

[wanton sun]

well not much new in terms of bugfixes or features that enable new games

i hope this async stuff is complete this weekend and i can work on other things again

[fair stump]

Powerpuff girls 100% playthrough

[hollow rune]

I have my ntsc N64 hooked up. Is ther ny value in comparisons at this point?

[atomic stratus]

@hollow rune superman 64 is always a classic

[hollow rune]

That is a difficult game to control

[languid dune]

It's difficult for me to control my anger towards it.

[atomic stratus]

@hollow rune your’e not wrong, but having beaten it (on normal mode), I found it not as bad as it was made out to be….that said, it’s still really bad

i actually didn’t hate the ring levels

[modern sleet]

Y/C isn't supported yet

[daring meteor]

Speaking of which, I remembered I gotta PR the fix for the gameboy thing, so I just did

[modern sleet]

I mean I'm supporting it haha

But the core currently does not

[daring meteor]

(Robert this is to Mister main, not you)

[wanton sun]

not sure. Maybe if for some parts it's unclear if it's a bug or not. But it doesn't help much with finding the reason

when the audio speed is also correct, i will do some comparisons against each other. They should line up hopefully

[daring meteor]

The audio speed is also included in this async stuff you will be doing real soon, right

[hollow rune]

It does take only 40 minutes apparently

[wanton sun]

audio will be part of the async changes, yes

i currently only know of one async VI bug which is the 480i on analog out. If anyone has seen more, please tell me

(maybe slight misalignment also on 240p analog)

[daring meteor]

The mysterious long hsync

[zinc dew]

that’s my stage name

[daring meteor]

I thought it was the mysteriousally short hsync

[modern sleet]

Hsync is correct

[zinc dew]

no that’s awbacon

[daring meteor]

So its vsync dissapearing for half a line?

[wanton sun]

https://github.com/RobertPeip/Mister64/blob/main/rtl/VI_videoout_async.vhd#L206-L209

[simple olive]

videoout_out.vsync <= '0';
if (vpos_half <= videoout_settings.VI_VSYNC_WIDTH) then
   videoout_out.vsync <= '1';
end if;            

[wanton sun]

VI_VSYNC_WIDTH is 5

when vpos_half is 6, vsync is still 1

[modern sleet]

Yeah, I'm banging my head trying to understand haha

[modern sleet]

It's hard to say, I think it's the retrace timing of the vsync

But since something is fishy with the logic, Im holding out until that's figured out

[daring meteor]

I will try to help

[wanton sun]

i hope i find it tomorrow...today was long work and then we went out for pizza 🙂

[modern sleet]

Woo 🍕

[modern sleet]

Yeah, it should work, but if the vsync retrace on the interlaced field is off its probably causing a headache

[daring meteor]

Question

VI_V_SYNC is set either to 625 or 525
But on prorgressive mode there is 624 or 524 half lines, no?

[wanton sun]

NTSC/MPAL (non-interlaced: 525, interlaced: 524) or PAL (non-interlaced: 625, interlaced: 624)

[daring meteor]

Should be opposite

[wanton sun]

why? refresh rate on 480i is higher

[modern sleet]

That's referenced from the n64 documentation as well

[wanton sun]

i mean, that's what all games write themselves, so i trust it 🙂

[daring meteor]

Ooooh, games write it, that makes sense

Than it must mean there's something that's adding 1 to the count, since after all there needs to be an offset half line over interlaced mode

[wanton sun]

that's the funny part about the async timing: it's completly controlled by each game. There is currently no adjustment or hidden modification

i would also think that one vsync should be 1 line longer in 480i, but Mike didn't measure that on a real n64?

[daring meteor]

The registers are all static even in interlaced mode, right?

[wanton sun]

the timing ones, yes

starting line of visible content changes

so odd frame is starting to draw e.g. in line 50 and even frame in 49

probably that is what creates the offset

[daring meteor]

Maybe it could be that and a slightly irregular signal than

[modern sleet]

Yeah, the interlaced field starts right in the center on it's retrace

Hence the vpos half

[daring meteor]

Yeah I very much had to take care of that when I did the sync interlace implementation haha

[weary perch]

i did see something strange on the async build i'd not seen previously, but more or less chalked it up to async's WIP and incomplete implementation... Beetle Adventure Racing, for about one frame, showed the speedometer value in a different position than it normally is. like the numbers jumped over to the right for a frame, or one of the numbers did. hadn't seen that on any prior build

[wanton sun]

i think there are still some polygon flicker artifacts that happen very rare

[chrome quest]

Not really sure if this is async VI bug but;
Donkey Kong 64 (PAL) - Over HDMI, as Nintendo logo fades out with Donkey Kong saying "OK", you get a quick flicker of some of the N64 logo that will appear on screen seconds later. Seems to happen maybe 50% of the time? Analog out on CRT I don't see this at all

[wanton sun]

it's a scaler issue: when the cores resolution changes, the scaler will use a different memory and shortly show whatever was there before

[modern sleet]

I'm thinking so

[wanton sun]

psx core had this a lot, where you would see the bios again shortly somewhere ingame when the game switches to 480i

[modern sleet]

I went to check the psxs async logic and there is a lot more work that was done in that module for vsync it looked like

[wanton sun]

Paulb-nl did most of it back then and compared against real psx signals

[modern sleet]

I'll do more timing tests tonight between the two fields

I'll compare it with my real n64

[wanton sun]

you see, i was always lazy with analog out 😅

[orchid nimbus]

Ok I’ll adjust

[daring meteor]

Wait

videoout_settings.VI_VSYNC_WIDTH

What is this supposed to be?

[modern sleet]

5

[wanton sun]

5 for ntsc

[daring meteor]

Isn't that the number of lines that VSYNC is?

[modern sleet]

Yes

[daring meteor]

Its counting half lines rn

[modern sleet]

Well

Yeah that's correct.. wait

[wanton sun]

One less than the vertical sync duration in half lines

so 6 half lines

[modern sleet]

Its really 3 lines

Yeah

[daring meteor]

6 half lines makes sense

[vapid hawk]

would it be possible to do the black frame thing you did for psx here?

[wanton sun]

it was a bad hack in psx even, not sure it's needed

it modified the framework, so framework update is not as nice as it should be with psx

[graceful radish]

@worn delta error on the compatibility spreadsheet

Update Info sheet's B38 Cell

=USA!D308

[orchid nimbus]

I cleaned up the USA summary section a few days ago

shows a bit more information

@graceful radish I'll clean that section up too a bit

[graceful radish]

Thanks!

[orchid nimbus]

done

[worn delta]

Cool, thanks for sorting

Might want to reduce decimal point to 1, don't really need it to 2 and makes it harder to read

[orchid nimbus]

done

I'll also sync the fonts

[knotty zealot]

has anybody made me my n64 deamonbite adapter yet

[latent galleon]

listen troll

[knotty zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/owen-wilson-gif-3704101

[latent galleon]

answered and ignored, last i checked

[orchid nimbus]

that should be it

[hollow rune]

https://www.twitch.tv/rgw_panda
Playing some N64 games but might move onto some other MiSTer stuff. If you have stuff you want to see running on the core please come join.

[orchid nimbus]

RGB Panda on CAT Cable internets

[last scarab]

we have a pizza place that has $15/slice. Its about size of a playstation 1

[minor fog]

Can’t we just disable/ignore the analog video out for the n64 core? It’s not like it has light guns anyway.

[chrome quest]

@worn delta Should we add European ROMs to the summary too? I don't think there is any usage of the different status ranking. No games even use the "Working" or "Issues" labels anyway

[daring meteor]

lmao

[minor fog]

Hdmi fo life melon farmers!

[daring meteor]

HDMI is proprietary

[minor fog]

Digital video output formats fo’ life

[fair stump]

Panda successfully playing the tlb game Mystical Ninja 😮 ||on real hardware||

[vagrant ivy]

on a real N64

[toxic pumice]

Good evening fellow degenerates

[velvet nexus]

hey IP

[orchid nimbus]

yeah it confused me too

[fair stump]

I was pretty clear

[brisk drum]

What a troll!

[hollow rune]

I was wondering why we had so many viewers at one point. lol thoseposers did a clever prank

[modern sleet]

I wonder if 524 and 525 should be subtracted by one.. since they both start at zero..

[daring meteor]

That's actually fixing the nonsense of interlaced being 524

Of 524 meaning 525 half lines and 525 means 526 half lines

[modern sleet]

It's still 525 it just 0-524

[daring meteor]

Yeah

[worn delta]

Europe and all the others should be using the same ratings standard as US, not sure what has happened there if that is not the same

[chrome quest]

I've never known why either, but assumed that's what the summary page meant by why totals aren't shown there for European games. Other than the bottom of the European tab, don't think anything else needs changing to be able to add them too?

[weary palm]

We use PEGI

I checked my old N64 boxes. They're marked ELSPA.

[woeful beacon]

this MiSTers - first run blind, clear lol

[drowsy lantern]

What!?!

[woeful beacon]

yeah it was a fucked up clear too because I got so goddamn confused on this boss:

20 minute boss fight

it wouldnt die

I wouldnt die

we were both just like :

https://tenor.com/view/ghost-modern-warfare2-stare-meme-2022-gif-27104713

(sorry Robby)

so you gotta shoot the pipes at the TOP

with a bomb

I guess

[zinc dew]

gif_police.gif

🚓

[woeful beacon]

andross was also funny, I got so goddam... oh shit its the fuzz again!

so anyways when I learned andross ( during the run )

I just speed killed dude in like 10 seconds

so cool I got to experience this game as I never had a 64 as a kid

real fun and real janky game

the route (I have no idea how I got to this route or how to get to this route)

all I know is Aquas is stupid, cant see SHIt

not sure if its the core or if the level is just ass

I thinke the latter

also I could not fuckin save peppy for the life of me
(sorry unc)

[zinc dew]

How does it feel playing the best Star Fox game and knowing everything else in that franchise is inferior?

[languid dune]

The level is just ass. It's the worst level in the game by a huge margin.

[languid dune]

Give Star Fox 64 the soundtrack from the SNES game, and it would be perfect.

[woeful beacon]

feels great and yeah I can tell because I have played the snes game and kinda tap out of that one

its not bad or anything I just tap out on the weird indoor levels

I also tried clearing this on 3DS ages ago but I wanted the 3D on and I couldnt hold that thing comfortably and it was just a nightmare on ergonomics lol

[languid dune]

My personal least favorite Star Fox game is easily Command on the DS. Legit do not like that game.

[zinc dew]

Mine is Star Fox 2

[woeful beacon]

star fox 2 is so weird

[zinc dew]

It’s just a bad game

[woeful beacon]

however

can it be called a system seller / killer app tho

[zinc dew]

Star Fox 64?

[woeful beacon]

since thats why most people picked up that snes classic ( me included )

no SF2

[zinc dew]

yeah for a lot of people I’d assume it was

[woeful beacon]

what a time

to be alive

also I guess this NSO controller is totally fine by me

no need to get all fancy

[zinc dew]

I love the mini consoles

Great UI + great form factor is really important.

[languid dune]

The SNES Classic was quite good. Great lineup of games, and solid emulation.

Can't say the same for the Genesis Mini though. That thing has insanely bad audio lag.

The Turbografx-16 Mini was also great. Honestly the best mini console in my opinion.

[zinc dew]

I got used to it but yeah, pretty inexcusable

I prefer the SNES Classic over the TG16 mini because of the rewind function

But the TG16 mini was the first time I played a lot of TurboGrafx games and I adored the UI

all personal opinion of course

[languid dune]

Yeah, the UI design was amazing. Loved how it changed depending on which version of the console you were using.

[plush summit]

The PS Classic was selling as cheap as $20 and I regret not getting it

I just wanted the controllers

[languid dune]

Worth it for the controllers at least.

But the worst of the mini consoles (not including the awful AtGames stuff from earlier).

[plush summit]

Yeah, but like you said $20 for pretty damn decent controllers

[zinc dew]

I bought it for full price lol

[fair stump]

The best Star Fox game is panzer dragoon orta

[languid dune]

All that money for a bunch of PAL games!

[hollow rune]

I love the first Star Fox so I gotta try that

[languid dune]

Or Zwei.

[eternal ravine]

Whattabout Gamera 2000 on PSX

[zinc dew]

SO GOOD

[fair stump]

Star fox 64 was my first and I liked it a lot, especially multiplayer. I tried the first star fox and found I couldn't take the low fps

[mellow raft]

I'm not much for Star Fox on SNES but I love F-Zero on SNES

both on N64 are close to my heart though

[zinc dew]

My favorite F-Zero is Mario Kart 8

[mellow raft]

f u

XD

[zinc dew]

no u

[mellow raft]

Honestly it's just bad to me how much Nintendo is milking Mario Kart 8

I'm surprised it's not a huger meme at this point

https://tenor.com/view/uno-reverse-uno-reverse-card-uno-no-u-gif-23863535

[zinc dew]

listen you’re not the target, you’re just collateral damage. I was aiming for @languid dune with that one

[rose elbow]

omg i wish nintendo would milk mario kart even more 🙏 i love the milking :D

[languid dune]

You hit your target!!

[mellow raft]

karts in mario kart are cows. noted

I see a new game theory brewing

[rose elbow]

i do suppose a new mario kart would be cool but i've enjoyed them just adding in new tracks and balance tweaking.. i'm not too sure what i'd want from a new mario kart beyond something a bit more catered for online from the ground up

kinda like how the phone game Tour has "tours" with track variants

[languid dune]

My favorite art style is fat baby.

[mellow raft]

maybe you know... a new fresh take like the gamecube era?

we've had basic mario kart for 12 years...

12 YEARS

[rose elbow]

gamecube game good but end of the day it's still just mario kart

[mellow raft]

I never even bought the expansion

[rose elbow]

oof

[mellow raft]

I wanted new gameplay not new maps

[rose elbow]

have you played it online?

the new tracks?

[languid dune]

The expansion is worth it in my opinion. Doubles the size of the game.

[mellow raft]

I don't play mario kart online. I play only with friends

we all got tired of it

[rose elbow]

o.O

[fair stump]

What would new gameplay be though?

[languid dune]

Mario Kart 8 Deluxe is basically the Smash Ultimate of Mario Kart.

[mellow raft]

Except I can feel constant fun playing smash... mario kart just isn't the same as the old N64 days imo

it's too easy

[rose elbow]

i think im going to have to respectfully just disagree at this point lol

[mellow raft]

I can't speak on the new tracks, I'll admit.

[languid dune]

Eh, Mario Kart 64 is my least favorite in the entire series.

[mellow raft]

Maybe I'll give it a try some time... but I got kind of burnt out on it

[languid dune]

Well unless you count Tour. That game is a dumpster fire!

[rose elbow]

its hard to imagine what twist 9 could add that wouldnt likewise run its course and get old and tired after a few months of playing

[fair stump]

Mk9 now with drive impact and drive parry

[mellow raft]

that would be cool

[rose elbow]

(except focusing on online and having like "seasons" every couple of months with track variants

is kinda want i want from MK 9 lol

[languid dune]

They just need to make a new mainline F-Zero. F-Zero 99 is actually fantastic, but it's still not a brand new core F-Zero game.

[mellow raft]

99 is really fun ngl

though dear god I get destroyed so easily haha

[rose elbow]

Mario Kart 64 also has some of the most insane rubber banding in the series lol

the AI just outright cheats and speeds up to catch up

[mellow raft]

Also it's interesting that it's been a while since we had a mobile Zelda... I know the Switch is ... kind of an odd platform... but remember that the normal Zelda cycle used to balance console zelda's and 2D zelda's?

[rose elbow]

which i guess rubber banding is fine and all but mario kart 64 just seems busted to me

[mellow raft]

Kind of curious if Nintendo plans to touch on that at all anymore

[rose elbow]

im pretty sure during the wii u era they mentioned 2D Zelda at one point lol

and then nothing

[fair stump]

Links awakening remake happened

[rose elbow]

OHHH

[mellow raft]

yeah but I implied a new one

Not a remake

[fair stump]

But it would be nice to see a new one

[mellow raft]

maybe get capcom involved again :3

[rose elbow]

i liked the oracle games enough but they did feel a bit redundant to me kinda

when they came out tho i was SUPER into them tho

[mellow raft]

Also am I the only one here absolutely infuriated that Nintendo has ignored Metroid Prime 4 updates for like 4 years now?

[rose elbow]

absolutely infuriated?

[mellow raft]

I don't mind that the game is delayed

But I do mind that they have said zilch about it at all for 3+ years

[rose elbow]

i think the lack of updates is one thing ..

but the more annoying part to point at was them putting all their eggs in 1 basket with the 2017 Switch launch

they came out swinging sooooo hard

the only reason Metroid Prime 4 got announced so early , i think ?.. was coz it was part of nintendos big 2017 switch launch mega-marketing plan

[mellow raft]

it was a smart move to be honest

[rose elbow]

ya

they kinda had to do it

but then Metroid Prime 4 effectively got cancelled and developed from scratch with a new developer

[mellow raft]

but.... Metroid Prime 4 did get a team change... and they said they had to start the game over from scratch and to please bear with us for a while

[fair stump]

My open MP4 pre-order 😆

[mellow raft]

and that was like 3 years ago

[rose elbow]

ye im not too fussed about that

i just think announcing it super early was the dumb move there

it got everyones expectations set

for something that didnt exist lol

and now we also have the Trilogy remakes being developed alongside

coz both are by Retro ?

nintendo have been kind of a funny company for a while now. both infuriating with the games they release/speed at which they put stuff out, but still making games that are fun to play so u put up with their BS

i dunno how many times me and my brother have this exact same convo where we're DONE with nintendo, then a little while passes and we're indifferent/happy to play the next game that comes out

the pricing on games like Super Mario RPG remake + Paper Mario Gamecube remake + Mario VS Donkey Kong GBA Remake, was a bit much to stomach

i take it back.. Fuck nintendo!!!

[toxic pumice]

Extremely pleased with this one. San Francisco Rush (USA) completeable

[vapid hawk]

nice!

hey i noticed you finished hydro-thunder the other day. would you mind sharing your completed save? i'm bad at it but i want to see the tracks 😄

[toxic pumice]

Sure, gimme a couple minutes and I'll grab the save

[vapid hawk]

thanks!

[toxic pumice]

Discord mangled the filename slightly

If that pulls everything over, that should have all my times on it as well. 🙂 Have fun!

Rush completion has some really, really strange factors to it... It's easier to complete it with Deaths turned on, as on the more difficult courses, the AI doesn't know what to do and the entire pack of cars will regularly just eat shit on a ramp

[vapid hawk]

lol

i'm kind of surprised how many good racers n64 has

[toxic pumice]

Yeah I absolutely agree, I'm churning through them all at the moment. It's not a conscious thing, it's just that half the games I really enjoy on the N64 are all racing games, never quite realised how many until recently

[vapid hawk]

have you tried wipeout64?

[toxic pumice]

I have, and that's not on my complete list any time soon. The normal challenges are fine but I've read the horror stories about super combo challenge 5 and i'm in no rush to bang my head against that brick wall 🙂

[vapid hawk]

heh

whats next on your list?

[toxic pumice]

Rush 2049 most likely, I've already got an intermediate circuit underway

[rose elbow]

Rush, Cruis'n games, Ridge Racer

what else comes to mind ?

Wipeout, Beetle

[toxic pumice]

star wars episode 1 racer, excitebike 64, world driver championship, top gear rally 1 and 2 for very different reasons

[rose elbow]

oooh Top Gear

[toxic pumice]

I completed GT64 and really enjoyed it once I got used to the handling

I know it gets panned pretty universally but I disagree

[vapid hawk]

fzeroX obvs, and mario kart/ dkr

[rose elbow]

i love disagreeing with online general concensus :D

[toxic pumice]

lol 😄

god yeah I forgot f-zero x for some reason, that was my first mister n64 completion

[vapid hawk]

sad to report i think v-rally64 is awful

[rose elbow]

aha

[vapid hawk]

definitely stick to the PSX ones

[rose elbow]

excitebike looks a bit dodgy to me

[toxic pumice]

Yeah, it's a little bit weird looking especially for a first party nintendo title, but it does play really nicely thankfully

[rose elbow]

nice

[toxic pumice]

oh, Extreme G 1 and 2, missed those 🙂

bloody fantastic games, both of them

[rose elbow]

excite bike is Left Field Productions, not strictly nintendo first party

[toxic pumice]

aha, I stand corrected

[vapid hawk]

maybe i need to check them out again but my recollection of extreme G1 at least is the fps going to hell every single corner and it being no fun at all

[rose elbow]

the one that really tripped me out recently was learning Pilotwings 64 wasn't first party nintendo

i always just understood it was but nope. or at least, a lot of the development wasn't first party nintendo

[toxic pumice]

The second one fits that bill, XG2's framerate is dogshit, the first one is relatively smooth

[vapid hawk]

ah maybe thats what i'm thinking of

i can't really abide a racer with a ropey framerate

[toxic pumice]

don't play GT64, I think it's 15fps solid?

[vapid hawk]

if its solid i'll get used to it

it's the variance i can't tolerate

[toxic pumice]

https://youtu.be/oEZtcXo2RbQ?t=373

I still stand by the fact that this game is sick

but it is a bit nasty to look at

[rose elbow]

oh wow look at it go ahaha

[vapid hawk]

thats kinda weird, it looks like the hud is updating faster than the 3d

also thats an insane level of detail for an n64 game

see the car receiving shadows 😮

oh - it's a trick heh, the entire car is just darkened when its inside a shadow region

[toxic pumice]

banished to the shadow realm, so to speak

hello viewers, super gt here

[rose elbow]

Penny Racers, Choro Q 64 2, other interesting ones

[vapid hawk]

micromachines64 is ok too

only because it runs better on the core - on real hardware its terrible

[rose elbow]

the micromachine games always awesome

haha

loved the sega ones for example

or snes? 🤔 either or

[vapid hawk]

it's like megadrive > psx >>>> n64

[rose elbow]

yessss

sega one is so good

[storm vessel]

Doesn’t RR64 have an unusual drifting technique where you turn the opposite direction of your turn?

[vapid hawk]

i think there might be a snes/nes/pc version of that same megadrive one too

don't almost all drifting type games need you to countersteer?

[rose elbow]

Hot Wheels - Turbo Racing also looks kinda cool, not familiar with that one to say if its good or not

[vapid hawk]

ridge racer games are usually more about when you release and apply the accelerator than steering though i find

[rose elbow]

Wipeout 64, every time i try to play it my brain refuses and i need to go back to the PSX version

[vapid hawk]

play it with a psx pad 😛

[rose elbow]

it might also be the soundtrack?

i might try that tho, psx pad

[vapid hawk]

the soundtrack is disappointing tbf

[rose elbow]

ya

[vapid hawk]

mute it and put the 2097 ost on instead

[rose elbow]

Wipeout is not a game, its an EXPERIENCE 😎

[vapid hawk]

actually we can probably play wipeout64 with a negcon now if we want

[rose elbow]

:O

i love the mister hahaha

was playing the megadrive version of xenocrisis recently with the 8bitdo neo geo controller

[vapid hawk]

i sincerely do love these obtuse usecases it enables yeah. the 1p2c stuff on n64 is like, so incredible

[rose elbow]

it's the best aha

[vapid hawk]

i've wanted to do that for years

[rose elbow]

1p2c ?

[vapid hawk]

yeah

[rose elbow]

for rom hacks and stuff?

[vapid hawk]

for goldeneye/perfect dark

[rose elbow]

i dont think i was too familiar with it, maybe except for the Super Mario 64 camera stuff

[toxic pumice]

all the early console ridge racer games had this lmao

they were so stupid

[rose elbow]

the Super Mario 64 modding scene is so active, its so much

[toxic pumice]

Ridge Racer 1 and 2 in arcade felt great, but the PSX conversions locked you to the track the moment you initiated a drift, so you could counter-clockwise 360 around a right hand turn

I love it, but it's stupid

[vapid hawk]

its like the animation of the car is only vaguely related to its velocity

[rose elbow]

Lego Racers is another one i loved as a kid on PC. that one might be a bit 'of its time' tho

soundtrack still goes hard tho

[fair stump]

I tried so much to learn how to drift in that game and could never understand it

[vapid hawk]

once you learn it is extremely like... consistent

its strange but not bad if you get me

[toxic pumice]

Tap brake to lock yourself onto the track then try to keep your car pointed roughly in the direction of the road. Absolutely HAVE to play it in first person, it's a nightmare in third person cam

Yeah it is very consistent

[rose elbow]

similar to how they made that Gran Turismo movie where a kid learns to drive professionally because of the game, they could make a Ridge Racer movie where the guy just keeps crashing into walls because he learnt to drift backwards

[vapid hawk]

also i think its easier to learn in rrt4 then go back

personally

that gran turismo movie is a true story they really did that 😄

[toxic pumice]

Not sure I agree on that, I didn't like the feel of type 4's drifting too much

[vapid hawk]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GT_Academy

[rose elbow]

that could've been me

[vapid hawk]

some of them won like, real serious races

[rose elbow]

i got the F1 car in PS3 game and everything

while blasting Aphex Twin - Classics CD on the side lol

[vapid hawk]

its not that surprising if you think about it

i'm sure really good forza or iracing drivers could do the same

[rose elbow]

i saw the new forza came out but has really stinky reviews on Steam

not too up to date on that

[toxic pumice]

damn we got aphex twin fans in the chat as well huh

[vapid hawk]

i... can't see the point in any racing game other than PSVR2 GT7 right now

[rose elbow]

those early EPs/ Classics compilation turns Gran Turismo into an intense racer

its so much fun LOL

[vapid hawk]

being able to look properly into corners and at your wing mirrors and stuff is such a game changer going back to flat racers feels like.... losing a limb or something

claustrophobic

[rose elbow]

i would love to get ps5.. one day

still kinda cbf

i know it'd largely sit there unplayed 99% of the time

but i'd love to play GT7 in VR for example

[vapid hawk]

oh and depth perception. omg you don't even know

depth perception for braking points is absolutely everything

[rose elbow]

hopefully they do a ps5 pro or something

i cant remember what it was cos it was awhile ago

but ps4 just rubbed me the wrong way a bit by the end of its lifecycle

[toxic pumice]

Racing in VR is absolutely something else if you've got all the equipment for it

I played a shit ton of Assetto Corsa in VR with my setup while I had a working headset, nothing sim related came close. 🙂

[vapid hawk]

its crazy

one time it started raining halfway round a race and i actually aquaplaned and hit a wall at about 150mph at spa. i had to go lie down

i can still remember it crystal clear

[eternal ravine]

I'm waiting on PS5 for a couple more years
Eventually I'll get one and have a massive library to explore
Are they making one with a more standard, less melty-inverse-oreo look

[rapid prairie]

Is there a save converter that exists for n64 everdrive saves to mister compatible? I renamed my everdrive n64 saves to end in .sav but not all of them are working despite using the same rom files

[honest ermine]

The Mickey kart racer on n64 always seemed decent enough to me, it’s made by rare and the racing is similar to diddy kong.

[vapid hawk]

i think if you go back about... 12 hours this was discussed extensively earlier today

[rapid prairie]

Ahh my bad

[vapid hawk]

no worries it's a lot to read in here 😄

[solemn marlin]

Just kind of disliked the framerate tbh, I feel like racers should look less choppy

[toxic pumice]

Yeah it took a while to get used to, still fun though!

[worn delta]

If I was in my office I would take a snap of my Aphex collection, got big into him in the early 2000s, have majority of his releases on vinyl until he started doing these annoying limited records you could only buy at his shows.

[solemn marlin]

It was unique for sure, will have to get used to it, but I've never played f-zero before for example and that clicked instantly, it feels so fast and smooth

[worn delta]

Was fun when there was a new Analord record every few months, miss going to the record shop to pick up the next one and then being cheap

[toxic pumice]

I wish I was collecting all this when the Analord EPs were a thing. 😦 I've been a fan for a long time but it was all just digital shit and limewire.

It was pretty much all the rephlex stuff that's never been re-pressed, isn't it?

[worn delta]

I was lucky to buy the folder when it went up for order, I remember thinking at the time "Man, £40 for a record... oh well guess I will buy it..." Smartest purchase I ever made.

[toxic pumice]

Nice!

[worn delta]

I also got the 180g Druqs new at my local record store about a year after release when they were selling it off for like £20

Mad to think today

That record didn't sell

[modern sleet]

@daring meteor pretty sure this is the issue with sync when interlaced

[worn delta]

I don't know why Warp and him don't rerelease the rest of the back catalogue, the prices now are disgusting. I don't have SAW2 and am not paying £400+ for a knackered copy of a bad pressing that never sounded good

[modern sleet]

Hsync resets 1/2 way into a new line because of this mode

PSX clearly adjusts for this

[worn delta]

Sorry, gone way off topic

[modern sleet]

Forget any delays in the vsync from 190uS to 230, that was quartus playing a bad trick on me for trying to signal tap things

[toxic pumice]

We've pulled this over to general. 🙂

[zinc dew]

Thank you

onto more important topics like, why is AeroGauge the best racing game on the N64?

[solemn marlin]

Looks like the kind of rental that'd ruin a weekend 😔

[toxic pumice]

because it hid success behind really obtuse mechanics that it made absolutely no effort to explain

[zinc dew]

ah, the classic recipe to success!

[toxic pumice]

and a split second difference between 'here have a game winning boost' or 'whoops you've lost all power and you're slowly sinking to the floor lmao'

I enjoyed my aerogauge completion don't get me wrong, but it's so frustrating that the timing on the boost is as strict as it is

boost starts also absolutely mandatory, though playing on expert is fucked up and qualifying is irrelevant.

congrats, you start in first! perfect boost start, oh dear lmao you're in 7th before the first corner!

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

it's such a good shit game though.

[boreal bobcat]

Who's talking about aphex twin?

[toxic pumice]

We went over to general 🙂

[modern sleet]

Interlaced fun

[thorn flax]

https://tenor.com/view/gandalf-research-gif-10381154

Mike S reading the forgotten texts of analog video specifications

[woeful beacon]

True actually; That's why Ive been really enjoying my Miyoo mini plus... Those two things plus awesome screen.

[eternal ravine]

Which wrestling game should I play?

[woeful beacon]

Smackdo...oh wait you mean on N64... Play nitro 😃

[lilac scroll]

Have the updated controller drivers hit mister main yet?

I tried the core again tonight and my. 8bitdo modded analog felt like last time

Just curious

[modern sleet]

Anyone want to test this? @chrome quest / @daring meteor

To see if interlaced is fixed

[vapid hawk]

needs to be on a crt right?

[modern sleet]

Yes

[hardy hornet]

will the async fix be integrated into future versions? or its like a standalone version only?

[modern sleet]

I already sent it to robert, hopefully it fixes the issue

[hardy hornet]

oh gotcha thank you for that!

my arcade CRTs thank you

[river shale]

On the 10/29 build I am getting a black screen and error code 8 when I try to start starfox 64 rom version 1.1 USA or Lylat wars. Can someone tell me if this still happens on the latest build?

[elfin relic]

star fox rev 1 USA works fine for me on 10/29

[tidal glade]

Madden 2002 is almost perfect, unsteady, tremulous...

[wanton sun]

that is a very strange error code, it should only happen when the internal ddr3 controller hangs up. Anyway, i tried Lylatwars and it works. Please check your mistermain is up to date and the database file is there

[weary perch]

world driver championship looks good on 1029 build, but the video hangs on a bluish screen on the 1031 async build

audio plays in the background but you can't see

[wanton sun]

cannot reproduce:

this is with the async build

[weary perch]

interesting, i will check to see if something is wrong on my end

sorry for the false alarm

[wanton sun]

all good 🙂

[weary perch]

can't reproduce it now on my end either after a cold reboot, weird

weird, but good. can be safely ignored 🙂

game looks fabulous now

always thought this was one of the prettier N64 games

[kind solar]

how were ppl getting analog camera movement in shotgun mario 64 on the second stick?

hit the dual controller option but it just turns the right stick into c buttons, not analog movement

like this

[rose elbow]

like this?

[kind solar]

thanks i figured out what was wrong

it only has analog movement whilst in aim mode

doh

[rose elbow]

haha

[kind solar]

usually it's just acting as c buttons

[rose elbow]

so it was working

funny

[kind solar]

yes

[rose elbow]

eyy

[kind solar]

hack could use a manual

[rose elbow]

who reads the manual

[daring meteor]

Does the hack use the Z button on P2

[kind solar]

gonna test that now

[daring meteor]

Cause when adding the option I didn't consider this hack

[kind solar]

it doesn't

[daring meteor]

Good

I assumed that no game uses both P2 Z and P1 C-Right, glad to see that hold up

[rose elbow]

ya works nicely 👌

[kind solar]

doesn't perfect dark do that

i seem to recall finding that out recently

[rose elbow]

is that a hack or option in vanilla PD ?

[kind solar]

i think i'm getting confused nevermind

remapping gets complicated

[rose elbow]

ive got my PS4 dualshock controller completely remapped to make the controls more nice and convenient just for Shotgun mario lol

[kind solar]

same but switch pro

[mellow raft]

Give Extreme-G 2 a go 😉 (if that plays :S)

[daring meteor]

Perfect dark doesn't use c right afaik

[kind solar]

yeah i was just thinking of how i couldn't use the second controllers z button with the dual controller option

or something

it uses one to aim and one to shoot

[daring meteor]

You can, its c right

[kind solar]

but moving the stick right was hitting a z button which was odd. doesn't seem to do that anymore

[daring meteor]

It should do that

[kind solar]

oh i just map to c right?

[daring meteor]

Yes

C Right is mapped to P2 Z when the option is enabled

(And P1 C right, still)

[kind solar]

cool just tried it and it works perfectly

thanks

[storm vessel]

Is the async build is the next version or a different kind of test version?

[river shale]

Ah, I changed my ddr3 timings on mister to see if it would help performance. That’s probably the cause of this! Sorry for the user induced error. Although, I wonder if it’s an unstable overclock or just that the n64 core doesn’t expect the ram to be faster. I will do a mem test

[mortal panther]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFL4qqG9dbw

[compact depot]

Why are you overclocking? MiSTer cores don’t need that

[brisk drum]

Played through a few races of this on the async build without any issues

Kind of a good game

[daring meteor]

The unstable rn is the one for game boy detection, I forgot to add it before

[native mesa]

I appreciate the dedication but those two things dont go togetber. I don't think ghibli and 3d go together either

[mortal panther]

BotW and TotK had a rather Studio Ghibli style to them, I thought... and Ni no Kuni: Wrath of the White Witch I thought was done really well with that art style in 3D.

[wanton sun]

very likely unstable overclock. The N64 core has timing fulfilled for the ddr3 and the error flag only comes up when a read request from the ddr3 never gets an answer. Exception is if you play around with the "DDR3 Delay" in the debug settings, which you should never touch

[river shale]

Im just one of those people who can’t leave “good enough” alone. I read that it helps rom loading speed. Honestly I didn’t notice any issues at first, so I didn’t think much of it. Time to revert to stock.

[wanton sun]

i have build a special ddr3 test core and tried with those settings. First, they have never been stable(on my de10-nano) and second the improvements for bandwidth where small and for latency non-existant

[vagrant ivy]

This is the major issue with supplying tools that allow overclocking. You never know how it will cause issues

[solemn marlin]

I'd have no trouble overclocking something for software emulation but no way I'd touch the fpga stuff

I feel like it'd be like trying to overclock the original n64, or any original console, it's madness

[zinc dew]

The N64 is the greatest Nintendo console of all time, prove me wrong.

[cerulean elk]

Super Mario Sunshine

Thereby making GameCube the greatest

[twin barn]

Your username has a transmitted disease.

[cerulean elk]

@zinc dew is a transmitted disease

[twin barn]

One of the good ones though.

[daring meteor]

Have you considered

[twin barn]

He like brightens up the place.

[zinc dew]

shaaaddup Venerial Goober Esoterica

[daring meteor]

Wii
U

[mortal panther]

More like "Pii U", amirite?

[toxic pumice]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9sS7kWpPhM

[zinc dew]

Robert is the greatest Rob here, change my mind

[daring meteor]

The greatest Rob is No intro because they've stolen all the N64 games for us to play

All praise No Intro for robbing games

[ebon kindle]

underated

Especially with homebrew

[daring meteor]

The greatest Nintendo console

Only con is 240p

Rip 240p

[ebon kindle]

Yep

[ebon kindle]

thats why the original wii is better

[daring meteor]

LIterally the only reason

[ebon kindle]

Wait so even on the VWii it can't output 240 over av?

[daring meteor]

Nope

[ebon kindle]

bummerrrr

[daring meteor]

It'll come out as 480i

[ebon kindle]

lame

[daring meteor]

This is, afaik, the only feature Wiis support that the vWii doesn't

[ebon kindle]

The original Wii has Memory Card ports and built in gamecube ports

[daring meteor]

Literally the only reason which isn't meaningless if you homebrew

(And pay 5$)

[plush summit]

If we gave Wii Us to war torn countries, we would achieve World Peace

[daring meteor]

I'm Israeli does that count

[ebon kindle]

wii > wiiu atleast for wii/gamecube games, wii is better but if you're planning to use it on a flatscreen the wiiu is better

wii is pretty much only better if you're gonna be on a crt

[plush summit]

Kirby Air Ride, you're welcome

[daring meteor]

Wii/Gamecube games barely use 240p tho

[ebon kindle]

Also for homebrew games and emulation

nes, snes, gba, whatever

[daring meteor]

Yeah its mainly emulation on CRTs that you care about 240p

[ebon kindle]

Yeah

which I do care for, so the wiiu is a nogo for me

[daring meteor]

I do not care for I have Mister

[ebon kindle]

man :(

[mellow path]

A hacked WiiU was perhaps the greatest piracy platform

[ebon kindle]

exactly

[daring meteor]

That isn't a x86 PC

[ebon kindle]

one day I will get mister, one day 😔

[mellow path]

well, for Nintendo anyway, you could play backups of every Wii/GC game

[ebon kindle]

yea, backups

[daring meteor]

backup

[ebon kindle]

Dumping a game myself takes ages so I just acquire the game from another source and just get the games I already own

but anyways n64 is peak

[daring meteor]

After Wii U

[ebon kindle]

n64 has my fav game library

[mellow path]

I was rather fond of the WiiU library

[ebon kindle]

Mostly nintendo titles but I still love i the most

[ebon kindle]

WiiU has a lot of great games and it's really underrated but most of them have been ported to switch, the only ones I can't think of is the Zelda HD versions

[daring meteor]

Yoshi's Wolly World

Nintendo Land

[ebon kindle]

I love yoshi's wolly world

[daring meteor]

Truly the reason to own a Wii U

[ebon kindle]

Got only a 3DS port with I think more stuff

[brisk drum]

#1096015979055697940 message

Anybody test this yet ?

[mellow path]

Galaxy 2 not having a switch port really kills me too... It can emulate pretty well, but the last time I tried it was almost impossible to get a good controller setup

[ebon kindle]

Sadly :(

[mellow path]

Using joycons with dolphin weren't quite there

I can't find any OEM wiimotes either

[ebon kindle]

Dang

[daring meteor]

What's the problem with joycons?

[brisk drum]

They drift more than the dude from initial D

[daring meteor]

Takumi

[mellow path]

I don't quite remember exactly, but it had to do with the cursor

[brisk drum]

Nah itski

[daring meteor]

The cursor is fine

[brisk drum]

Or however you spell his wack name

[daring meteor]

Takumi

[brisk drum]

Nah his best friend .. itskay!

Itski?

[mellow path]

Like Dolphin wasn't translating joycon movements to cursor movements well... but it's been a year or two since I tried, it could have improved since then

[daring meteor]

Itsuki but Itsuki is a bad driver

[zinc dew]

I play Galaxy 2 on my Wii U like a true believer

[mellow path]

Unfortunately mine did not survive a coast to coast move

[ebon kindle]

I play it on my CRT on a Wii 😎

[mellow path]

I shouldn't have moved, I'm now realizing

[ebon kindle]

just how god intended

[zinc dew]

CRT stands for “Can’t Really Tell” cause of how blurry it is lolololol

[ebon kindle]

On S-Video it's reallly crisp

For like newer media, yeah it's blurry but for older games like galaxy it really shines

[zinc dew]

I’m joking, I love CRT

[daring meteor]

CRT = Chinese Realistic Television

[ebon kindle]

pure weakness

[ebon kindle]

who told you

was it the government???

[daring meteor]

The Chinese government

[zinc dew]

I remember when I upgraded to S-video with the N64. Maaaaan that was a huge improvement!

Am I crazy or was composite to s-video a bigger jump than s-video to component on a non HD CRT?

[ebon kindle]

Never seen component but yea I recently got my first CRT in years and when I finally bought a S-Video cabale, it was night and day compared to composite

[modern sleet]

S-video is a lot closer to RGB than some might think

Composite was/is bad

[plush summit]

From what I saw, S-Video is mad underrated, wish it took off

[zinc dew]

S-video > SCART

[plush summit]

Was S-Video pushed too late and died because Component was becoming a thing?

[ebon kindle]

Dang, should I even consider RBG modding my CRT?

[mild ether]

3DO exists.

[compact skiff]

I tried S-Video on my MiSTer a while back and I was surprised how close it was to component video.

[mild ether]

MiSTer does produce shockingly clean S-Video.

I did rig mine up with pro grade VGA breakout and a BNC to S-Video cable so I am not sure how much that contributed but it's much better than S-Video on original hardware.

[brisk drum]

Yo he’s not that bad

[brisk drum]

Never underestimate s video

[cerulean elk]

It’s hilarious what this chat turns into with 48 hours of no new core lol

[fair stump]

We're fiending

[brisk drum]

https://youtu.be/KoFSQeOAYz4?si=htSbp0ak6cvptE69

[cerulean elk]

The timing has been perfect for me personally so….I’m happy as a clam

[woeful beacon]

https://youtu.be/QpkjofU8Iek let me know if I shouldnt post this here or what but here goes that run of SF64 I was mentioning

[cerulean elk]

BANNED 🤣

[woeful beacon]

(NOW BANNED)

[cerulean elk]

@woeful beacon can you email me the capture? I’ll add it to a vid

[woeful beacon]

sure you want the raw shit?

I'll drive it over

its only like 40 gigs or something

[fair stump]

Render it as a gif and post here

It won't loop so you're good

[woeful beacon]

based tech

FUCK FUCK FUCK

HIDE THE DRUGS

[zinc dew]

gif_police.gif 🚨

[woeful beacon]

what do you mean officer

this is heineken zero

[zinc dew]

Oh ok, carry on

[orchid nimbus]

I am having very unstable nightlies lately

[loud pebble]

Took me 2 weeks but I finally won Jack Cup on expert. Difficult. Thanks again InfinityPig for the tips.

[toxic pumice]

It all gets easier from there. 🙂

Master and Expert cups are practically inverse difficulty to novice and standard

You'll likely have a much easier time with the rest.

[loud pebble]

look!

[viral portal]

Almost 4! January of 2019

[cerulean elk]

Well I’ve got a fun and def diff N64 core test vid for today at 4 cst. Fill the gap while we wait for a new core

[wanton sun]

how many hours is that from now?

so i'm sure to upload 2 minutes later 😛

[viral portal]

about 5 hours

[zinc dew]

That’s a really cool setup!

[wanton sun]

that's too late

[weary palm]

Thanks to "trbocode" for the code fix.:)

[daring meteor]

I'm trbocode

[weary palm]

Ah, thank you

[viral portal]

Well he said he already has the video, so technically you could upload it now 😄

[zinc dew]

I KNEW IT! You’ve been trolling him all along!

[daring meteor]

I am very curious about another fix :3

[brisk drum]

I’m guessing this is gonna include the latest async fix by mikeS , and maybe some other goodies

[wanton sun]

dk rap is now 100% synced up

[brisk drum]

Core complete

[wanton sun]

before in ntsc audio was 1.5% too fast

[daring meteor]

Does that mean we can mark things as perfect now

Well

Whenever build releases

[wanton sun]

i did some 1:1 compares with attract modes against a ntsc n64: Mario kart is about same, but hard to say as there is some randomness? 1080 is faster on the core, banjo is faster on the core, Mario64 intro is matching perfect

[fair stump]

Gotta do hardware comparisons. Otherwise we'd not have known something was 1.5% fast

[wanton sun]

so if you consider it perfect when the framerate is slightly higher, yes. If you think for perfect it needs to have the exact same framerate, no game will probably be ever perfect, as we cannot reach exactly the same fps always with our ddr3

or better: fps is dropping less often below 30fps with the core than on the real console

[odd vector]

In my opinion even better, since many N64 games suffer from low fps

[zinc dew]

it’s on the right side of imperfect lol

[modern leaf]

There a emulator more "accurate"?

[daring meteor]

What do you think? I see 3 options-

1 - We start marking as perfect on today's build
2 - We start marking as perfect whenever writefifo, memory slowdown, and the cache thing are implemented
3 - We don't mark as perfect

[modern leaf]

Because emulators are accepted in game speedruns, I see no reason to complain about the MisTer.

[odd vector]

100% running

[fair stump]

I'm just saying compare against hardware rather than guessing how the game compared to when I played it as a kid

[wanton sun]

i will not argue if that is perfect or not. for me it only matters currently that the games play well and feels like original. For me they do, even if i get 28fps instead of 26 occasionally, but that can be very subjective

[terse canyon]

dont blink you may miss that 1.5%

[compact lark]

How does this compare to the psx core?

Then again even on actual hardware there were 2 gpu revisions of the ps1 with differing speed.

[daring meteor]

(If we do go by 2 than whenever we get perfect its like just before tlb, lol)

[terse canyon]

just being able to play anything N64 wise makes me happy

[wanton sun]

PSX has the same issue with the GPU as it is using DDR3 as well

[modern leaf]

Dual Ram with 128 each can mitigate?

[ocean lily]

as long as things run at the right speed, i have no problem at all with better fps

but in that era of games, speed and fps are often tied together

[wanton sun]

yes they are

[weary palm]

Lol in DK64 they altered the delta depending on framerate, causing its famous problem with tendency of clipping when lagging.

[wanton sun]

i have a compare of 1080 here: you get additional 33 frames of slowdown with the real n64 over 1 minute = 30*60 = 1800 frames. That is 1.8% less slowdown on the core. As the game will run slower with slowdown, the core ends 33 frames earlier.

[weary palm]

The tower collapse before the final fight against Gannon in OoT is very laggy, but much less so on VC and iQue.

[daring meteor]

So, the core is as accurate as an iQue in some games, awesome

[weary palm]

iQue is clocked at 1.5 × N64

[wanton sun]

considering CPU, RSP and memory are currently all not as accurate as they can be, the difference is not huge

[elfin depot]

So the right one (overclocked) would be disqualified due to performance enhancing drugs

[plush summit]

you know you were expecting this ad

[balmy dagger]

I miss edgy Nintendo.

[elfin depot]

HA! I forgot about that, blast from the past.

[wanton sun]

added in current Ares version, which is another 5 frames faster. I'm really happy about that. Being in range to Ares (in this case even slightly better) is very nice, as i still consider Ares the most accurate N64 recreation that currently exists (top image is Ares, left is N64, right is core)

of course this doesn't hold a candle to the accuracy we have with console cores like NES

but for an unfinished core, i cannot complain 🙂

[oblique remnant]

Ho! Ho! Ho! Power zit!

[teal oyster]

oh nice, a new build

thanks Robert