Nintendo 64

[hollow rune]

I get 0000800 on Dr. Mario 64 Lodgenet @mild ether but no crash. You get the same error? Also on USA?

I never saw it on this game, but I didn't plkay it that much

[mild ether]

Yes, same error and it's not related to the freezing.

[hollow rune]

I will do one more run

[mild ether]

I don't get any crashes on USA and haven't on iQue yet either. Seems to be just lodgenet.

[hollow rune]

Maybe we haven't paid the hotel enough money

[last scarab]

@seaner_game I went for a SNAX since it also works for Playstation 1 controllers, N64, Nes and Snes and supports 2 players. You can also look into getting SNAX 64 which supports 4 N64 controllers. It has four hdmi ports.

[mild ether]

iQue version is completable without crashing.

[hollow rune]

@mild ether 3 times through on Lodgenet version, Mario easy and no crash.

Weird

[vagrant ivy]

is there any benefit to playing the lodgenet version

I just dont get the need to play a version for a Hotel

[hollow rune]

I don't think any

[deft tree]

earlier on there were a few games where the lodgenet versions ran and the regular ones didn't for some period

i think thats mostly in the past now

[hollow rune]

But Science!

https://tenor.com/view/bill-nye-billnye-sciencerules-science-gif-5866727

[toxic pumice]

Another one. Extreme-G (USA) - Meltdown cup beaten on Extreme difficulty. Neon bike unlocked.

[hollow rune]

Updated sheet

[toxic pumice]

Thank you, again!

[hollow rune]

Any errors or anything?

what version of the core?

[fierce garden]

How do you set the nso to x-input?

[toxic pumice]

Absolutely none - Seemed flawless all the way through. Using yesterday's n64_lodMax core

[hollow rune]

What's next?

[native mesa]

What this lod max core? Just a test test?

[zinc dew]

@wanton sun I’d like to report a serious problem with the N64 core.

It’s way too fantastic, I just play it all the time. It’s impacting my productivity. Please help.

[compact depot]

Sounds like an user issue @zinc dew

[native mesa]

Pebcac

[toxic pumice]

It was a test core that fixed issues with Top Gear Rally, should be integrated into today's build according to Rob I think. 🙂

[mild ether]

Don't know. Perhaps it's something related to my MiSTer

[toxic pumice]

I dunno yet actually! I'm eyeing up Extreme-G 2 given the streak i'm on 😄

I might try attacking Hydro Thunder seeing as I'm already on the Hard tracks

[hollow rune]

My dad says the machines for that used to be everywhere in the US. That, Crusin', Golden Tee, and Area 51

[toxic pumice]

That sounds about right - It was a really huge game over there from what I gather. We had a few cabinets over here in the UK but it didn't reach anywhere near the popularity it had in the US.

We had things like SF Rush over here as well, but I only ever saw it once or twice.

[zinc dew]

That’s because British people don’t believe in Aliens

[weary palm]

This is junk now

[hollow rune]

Unless it uses TLB

[weary palm]

True

Soon to be junk?

[hollow rune]

We don't know how that will shake out

[toxic pumice]

shake shake

[zinc dew]

Jet Force Gemeni

[weary palm]

Shake it til you make it

[hollow rune]

Could be Goemon doesn't run right

[zinc dew]

buzz

[hollow rune]

Buck Bumble?

[zinc dew]

Formel 1

[zinc dew]

Nah it’s the Toy Story 2 game

[hollow rune]

That's cause Germans. My mom caught that one. She insisted I credit her

[zinc dew]

what

[hollow rune]

Formel 1 is german for Formula 1

[zinc dew]

great, now I feel bad for mocking it

Katzenbär!

wait that’s not panda

[hollow rune]

I like it though

Maybe a good halloween costume

[toxic pumice]

get out

goddamn shadows of the empire is hard

[solemn marlin]

Been listening to the top gear overdrive soundtrack all morning with a coffee lol

It's the buttiest of butt rock grunge whatever, crazy that it fits on the cart

[zinc dew]

It’s like Creed had an aneurism mid concert and just kept going.

[solemn marlin]

I really have no frame of reference but it's great, sounds like everything I heard 20 years ago with some sweet n64 compression

[zinc dew]

It was made earnestly but comes across as parody. Which is to say it’s perfect.

[solemn marlin]

Yea I was wondering who made it because it sounds like an effort at least but there's really not much information

Every vocalist should sound like bargain bin eddie vedder

[tender pine]

Where do I find the compatibility sheet please?

[zinc dew]

in your heart

[native mesa]

Pins

[zinc dew]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1H4KYg0gsOWGayioXKSETtlM7d7g3Tk4w0QXqtXvugG8

[fair stump]

Which difficulty are you on?

[tender pine]

I've looked only to find a void.

[iron dove]

You don't, but you do need the unstable zimage_dtb file from #unstable-nightlies message to enable rumble and USB support (replace the existing file in /linux)

[hollow rune]

You are a statue. It makes sense

[toxic pumice]

I'm only playing on Medium at the moment but I figured it out, I was being an idiot

I was struggling against the AT-ST on the second level but I just needed to stay behind it's feet and manually aim into its head, job done

honestly playing games like this makes me realise how formulaic things devolved into over time

third person shooter, rail shooter, flight sim, platformer, all in one game level by level lol

[tender pine]

I am legion for we are many.

[zinc dew]

It’s impressive that’s all in one game!

[native mesa]

Lucasarts always put out good shit

[hollow rune]

Many games can't do that much, but SotE does it pretty darn well

[tender pine]

If a game is listed as completable does that mean it's graphically glitch free or is it not that black and white?

[hollow rune]

The glitches are usually mentioned in the notes

[oblique remnant]

Mickey's Speedway USA marked as "completable" damn those last 4 races were hard. No kids game 😄 Players are sometimes visible through the wall not sure if that's a bug or on original N64 too...

[native mesa]

it just means someone beat it

[toxic pumice]

absolutely, I played this a lot back in the day but I don't remember it ever being this good.

[zinc dew]

People are able to beat it without any major hurdles or work arounds

[hollow rune]

if there are no notes then it the glitches will be extremely minimal if not unnoticeable

A lot of people in chat right now are testers of the core and can answer question about specific games if the notes aren't clear

or I can load it up if you need it

[fair stump]

The amount of obvious issues across the whole library is starting to feel very slim

[native mesa]

Yea really gotta start pulling out real hardware comparisons

[toxic pumice]

Yeah pretty much anything that's playable right now is pretty much going to be completeable, I think we're having some very hyper specific issues but it's getting so good

[hollow rune]

Our N64 is already hooked up on the desk. We are ready for the day

[solemn marlin]

I've completed south park rally, pure jank, but I realize that it's probably more useful with real hardware comparisons

I don't know when the game is shit and when something is rendered incorrectly

[hollow rune]

mode aned difficulty details?

Most recent core?

Any error messages?

[solemn marlin]

Adventure mode or whatever, the cup thing, there's 14 stages iirc, only thing left to do is to unlock everything

I must confess that I haven't enabled error messages, I can do it again but all of the game logic is intact seeing that you can complete it

No crashes

[hollow rune]

ok, the most recent tester hadn't noticed any so I am sure you are fine

and it was core 231028?

[solemn marlin]

I have updated since, I think it might've even been that custom one from kasher cs for dual analog

[hollow rune]

if you get a chance just dm me the .rbf name. You don't have to do it now

Thank you, and I have updated the sheet accordingly

Glad I didn't have to play that game

Magical Tetris was bad enough

[solemn marlin]

I wasn't so thorough because again, I feel like I'm missing potential stuff since I have bad memory and no way to check with original hardware 😕

[hollow rune]

You did great!

You are a retro game wizard. We will probably do more focused testing at some point

[zinc dew]

Don’t encourage self destructive behavior!

[solemn marlin]

I'll play it again on the latest core no problem, I think it's a fun game, so much silly stuff in it lol

[fair stump]

I did not know this was something we could become

[daring meteor]

Training to be rgw

[hollow rune]

I think most people here are. I think if you warp through time and space to chase the thrill of typing basic commands on a C64 or breaking in the the -1 World of SMB, or just enjoy the beautiful dithering of a mega drive waterfall, you have the spirit of a retro game wizard in you

Now whether you are Retro Game Wizard TM is another thing 🐼

[prisma ivy]

Can I be considered a game wizard if I beat Terminator, Swamp Thing, Ghouls n Ghosts on NES?

[hollow rune]

Both times through on GnG>

?

[fair stump]

"That's not for you to decide" - @zinc dew

[prisma ivy]

Yessir

[hollow rune]

For sure then

[prisma ivy]

I've beaten a lot of shitty games on NES

Yay

I'll just put on my robe and wizard hat now

[toxic pumice]

trying to think what my ultimate 'retro' flex would be and surprise surprise it's shitty racing games

beating the phantom photon on Hard Drivin's ZX Spectrum port.

(Which is a very very good conversion and I will die on that hill)

[hollow rune]

My dad always says his biggest accomplishment was beating the US Castlevania III with no savestates

[toxic pumice]

definitely an achievement and a half

I dunno what would legitimately be my hardest retro game completion, I don't think I have too many of them.

[hollow rune]

I love that one can do this

Is it first person?

[toxic pumice]

It's first person and about 2fps on a good day

[daring meteor]

My ultimate retro flex is that I made some random options on some mister cores

[hollow rune]

I think Mac hypercard Harddrivin is the only thing that could be slower

[toxic pumice]

pahahaha

that would be something to see

i'm really interested in spending the time beating more n64 games, though with how short some of these are, it made me realise exactly how bad my attention span was as a child

[native mesa]

I was sad i lost a lot of OOT progress when my power went out. I've never been a fan of Mister OSD saving.

[toxic pumice]

I get into the habit of just toggling OSD quite regularly

[prisma ivy]

There's a guy on YT who is beating every game in the catalogue hah. That will be impressive. Although... Now that I think about it I don't know how old that quest is. Maybe its done

[native mesa]

the whole forrest temple, the kakariko well, getting epona, and becoming a gerudo all gone :<

[toxic pumice]

Is that Thabeast721? I've been watching his videos 🙂

I really don't have it in me to beat everything. I know for a fact I couldn't.

I watched his Wipeout 64 video and took one look at Super Combo Challenge 5 and realised I need to scrub that one off my list immediately, lol

[native mesa]

He has subscribers so I'm sure he gets at least some money for it

[prisma ivy]

That sounds right. The video I watched yesterday was him beating that japanese exclusive game where you move the rod through a maze

[hollow rune]

I too shut off without opening the OSD on OoT and lost like an hour of work. It stinks

[native mesa]

what's a pain is now remember what i did or didn't do

[hollow rune]

I think the N64 core is able to see when changes have been made to save data. Is it not possible to have the RAM writer somehow subscribe to this change?

[wanton sun]

was the error flag coming when the game hang or before?

[oblique remnant]

it's always on. the crashes were random and over 6h "only" 2. ..

[native mesa]

idk i always thought it was an intentional thing or a mister main limitation

[wanton sun]

ok thank you, might have to take a look. PIF error seems strange

[hollow rune]

Do you know about this @wanton sun ?

[wanton sun]

it's possible to have this done, but no mister core does this currently

[toxic pumice]

What's the recommended way to test analog stick input on N64 core?

I've got a hunch my stick curve is buggered

[wanton sun]

one of these two

[hollow rune]

I like the second one

[toxic pumice]

Thank you 🙂

[wanton sun]

Vivi is sitting here doing all the core work 🙂

[hollow rune]

OMG YOU HAVE HIM!!!

[wanton sun]

it's not the original from square however, but still cute 🙂

[toxic pumice]

Hmm - I'm pretty sure this is a MiSTer thing as opposed to an N64 core thing, but I get different analog stick curve behaviour depending on whether I use DInput or XInput.

XInput seems to cover about 50% of N64 stick movement with about 75% stick travel, then rapidly accelerates towards the end.

DInput seems more linear but reaches full range at about 90% travel.

[hollow rune]

brb, stealing my Mom's Deutsche Bahn Card to get to Cologne and visit your friend!

[surreal bay]

there are a few n64 stick range roms out there. they seem to work correctly on the core from what i've seen

[toxic pumice]

Turns out it's the controller, just tried it on PC and it's exhibiting the same behaviour, boo. Nothing to do with the mister or the core.

how bizarre

[wanton sun]

the issue with the range is that mister main maps every range to perfect 85/85 now, but it might not be linear

[languid dune]

More Vivi love!

[toxic pumice]

Yeah it seems to have a ramp-up, low sensitivity at the beginning before accelerating rapidly at the end.

[wanton sun]

wonderful! We should gather a whole village of them 🙂

[languid dune]

This is the one that came with my copy of FF9 as a preorder bonus.

[hollow rune]

Maybe they will help each other with their existential dread

[surreal bay]

Are there any workarounds around this to give actual n64 controller range?

[wanton sun]

the code in mister main should do a good job with it, but some controllers may still act not ideal

[lean spruce]

I find it harder to control Mario in Mario64 with the Dualsense controller than it should be. The movement is more twitchy than it should be

but maybe I´m remembering it wrong. Havent played Mario 64 on an N64 since the 90s

[wanton sun]

i only played it with ps-style controllers in the last years and using a NSo now feels much better. I just need the octogon shape to help me

[lean spruce]

hmmm.. maybe I´ll bit the bullet and get a NSO controller

Have anybody any experience of the Retro-Bit Tribute64 controller?

Its reviewing high on Amazon

https://www.amazon.se/Retro-Bit-Tribute64-Wireless-Controller-devices/dp/B091QVBN73/ref=sr_1_8?crid=1G0MSUGDPI9Z6&keywords=n64&qid=1698594676&sprefix=n64%2Caps%2C115&sr=8-8

[surreal bay]

i've got pretty good experience w/ n64 controller types. I play smash bros so we abuse all sorts of controllers

[lean spruce]

so is the retro-bit any good?

[vapid hawk]

i use the retrobit - its great

[mortal panther]

Other controllers may be technically 'better'... but for checking all the nostalgia boxes, the NSO N64 controller just feels right.

[toxic pumice]

I'm using this very controller at the moment - It's absolutely excellent in almost all regards, but i'm having the aforementioned stick curve issue

[lean spruce]

I will get one immediately

[surreal bay]

https://nickthename.github.io/guides/controllers.html

[toxic pumice]

Confirmed it's definitely the controller and not anything MiSTer related.

[surreal bay]

this is a good resource for controller options

there are a lot

in terms of cheap and available, there is a hori clone that is usually no-name from amazon.

there are a couple players that use those competitively

[modern sleet]

The biggest difference I've noticed between SNAC and the NSO controllers / or any USB most likely is the sensitivity with the analogy stick within the first 25% out outside of center. SNAC seems to give much better control, where NSO / BT / USB I think have more of a step change in control

[lean spruce]

@surreal bay THanks!! That is a loot of knowledge in the subject

[toxic pumice]

I'm gonna have to invest in a SNAC adapter for sure

[surreal bay]

it's super important to smash community, people will pay a lot of money to have a controller that feels the way they want and responds perfectly

[mortal panther]

Yeah, I don't really recall having quite as much difficulty making Mario tip-toe and sneak around on the actual console back then.

[wanton sun]

could be right. It feels like the deadzone is very short/weak. Unfortunatly i only have a worn out n64 controller here, so i cannot really compare that well

[hollow rune]

same

[fair stump]

Is this something that can be adjusted with our current joystick code?

[lean spruce]

this is my experience and what I tried to say of the twitchyness on a dualsense

[surreal bay]

would SNAC controllers get actual n64 range or would it be still limited to 85?

*adapters

[wanton sun]

85 is the actual n64 range

[modern sleet]

Here is my range with SNAC, and it will vary by controller,

[lean spruce]

I´ve seen a few of these screenshots, how do you interpret the result?

[wanton sun]

the rom itself has some comparisons with a real n64 controller you can switch to

[elfin depot]

Whats the ROM name?

(seems to be a few out there)

[modern sleet]

controllertest.z64

[surreal bay]

yeah, i know it may sound weird, but there are some controllers that go higher. there are some mechanics that work better with higher range in smash at least.

my daily driver controller is around 96 in

up down left right

and around 80's in corners

[mossy vector]

But then you cannot play blast corps or buck bumble with it. There are reasons for limiting the range of you look beyond one game.

[surreal bay]

you still can, i increase the range by having a stick that has a thinner shaft.

[toxic pumice]

Yeah, Blast Corps was the game where I noticed the extra stick range causing problems before the mister core solved the issue

i've just set my controller back to DInput and the range feels much better and more accurate, all i'm losing out on is rumble and I don't really care much about that so i'm happy

[surreal bay]

yeah, one of the reasons most smash players play on raphnet adapter on emulator is that is gives the same values it would on console

[lean spruce]

My PS Dualsense. It doesnt look that bad, but I feel it is a bit twitchy

[toxic pumice]

Your analog stick is probably capping at 85 without reaching full travel because of the input clamping. 🙂

so you've got full range with about 80% travel which is why it feels so twitchy, same with playing with my dualshock

[lean spruce]

ah, that makes sense. Thanks! It must be whats happening

[knotty zealot]

to look at

[knotty zealot]

i might start collecting n64 analog test pics like baseball cards

yours look like a rare tube card

[lean spruce]

Its a shiny!

[desert crow]

actual range, whatever the controller replies with

[surreal bay]

guess i'm gonna be first in line to get a snac 4 person adapter 🙂

[lean spruce]

who is making them?

Pork?

[surreal bay]

i saw something about it but it's not released yet

we did run a smash bros bracket yesterday on mister and it ran great

[stuck summit]

I have two of these. They're great and work well with MiSTer, but be aware there's about a frame of input lag even though it's 2.4ghz. No way to use it wired.

I personally just take the hit to enjoy the convenience

[lean spruce]

Thanks for the heads-up. I hope a frame will be bearable on N64. I dont play Smash

[stuck summit]

It is, surprisingly, most N64 games are well above 5 frames of lag so 1 frame doesn't add much

I can't really feel the difference between it and my wired N64 options

[lean spruce]

I got one on the way now, so will give an update as I´ve tested it 🙂

[surreal bay]

yeah, i'd say if you are playing most games it will probably do just fine

[elfin depot]

I'm using the SNAX64 from Misteraddons, works flawlessly

[surreal bay]

sweet, i'm looking forward to getting one

[vast gorge]

Just beaten WWF No Mercy’s Survival mode so that element of the game is certainly completable 👍

[weary palm]

Have my recent mister main changes fixed misc error messages You get when mounting transfer pak roms?

[native mesa]

yes

[weary palm]

Great

[minor fog]

So fixed my saving problem! Turns out I hadn’t put N64-database.txt on my sdcard afterwards. What a wazzock.

[zenith orchid]

is there a hack for pokemon puzzle league that removes the trainer voices and leaves the pokemon voices instead? all the "I'm going to win!" and "keep on trying!" stuff is really getting old.

[vapid moat]

Im guessing there's no options-menu for muting voices?

[rare flint]

Hi all! I have the latest version of the core, I select SNAC both in controllers and debug menu but I get a "no controller" in Zelda Ocarina of time, I'm using this SNAC from Mister Addons -> https://misteraddons.com/collections/parts/products/hdmi-controller-adapters?variant=40250232832133

[weary palm]

Does it work in other games?

[weary beacon]

You have to use the original controller for each core using SNAC

[weary palm]

The link is going to an N64 adapter so I don't think that's the issue here.

[rare flint]

So this is not a SNAC?

[elfin depot]

That is a SNAC/SNAX/Reflex adapter yes

what device are you plugging it into?

[rare flint]

the original N64 controller

[elfin depot]

and the other end?

[elfin depot]

something like that?

[rare flint]

this one

@elfin depot I think I have also the one you posted and deleted

[elfin depot]

yeah this is the MisterAddons one:

[rare flint]

uhm ok I'm checking

[elfin depot]

not sure the SNAC/SNAX/Reflex MisterAddons adapters work with the UltimateMister SNAC, we'll have to ask @graceful radish if he knows or not. He very well might not know as that's not his product so not sure he'd have a case to test with one.

I don't see an N64 UltimateMister Snac adapter actually

[compact depot]

Geez, does UltimateMister’s SNAC use HDMI too?

[rare flint]

yes

[elfin depot]

looks like on the website their Snac adapters are somehow device specific

[compact depot]

Hopefully he follows pork wiring standard and not the blisscrap one

[elfin depot]

does yours have a picture of a controller on the other side?

I don't see N64 on the list here:

[graceful radish]

I actually don’t know how Ricardo pinned his but he sells BlisSTer so I assume my N64 adapters won’t work

I honestly don’t pay attention to bliss stuff so I could be wrong

[compact depot]

Nobody should actually

[desert crow]

I'm going to guess no, porks n64 cable won't work with it.

[compact depot]

HDMI hell

[elfin depot]

A quick search of Ultimate Misters social media, all he has that is N64 compatible at this point is 2 player Daemonbite style (usb, use with Mister or PC, etc), not actual SNAC

[rare flint]

ok @graceful radish what product of yours I need to make it work?

so I will order it right now...

[zenith orchid]

I shall check

WHOA... does something seem off about the intro FMV to any of you?
edit-- all FMVs in pokemon puzzle league

I don't know if it's a known issue

[compact depot]

@graceful radish did you open your HDMI pinouts?

I really think you should so we don’t get other vendors doing HDMI based dongles the wrong way

[zenith orchid]

Unfortunately not, there's an option to mute sound effects, but that's no fun

[last scarab]

that looks so beautiful! Is that from a original N64 joystick?

[native mesa]

That hodgepodge mess of snac adapters is why people are interested in that modular mars form factor

[compact depot]

MARS…

[rare flint]

maybe this one can work?

[lean spruce]

that one is for USB controller adapters

[rare flint]

ah. it's true

[zenith orchid]

multisystem has some kind of modular thing going on. if someone really wanted to, they can make something similar to the MARS case for the MiSTer, it just won't be quite as compact

[native mesa]

Personally I'll just stick with all my Bluetooth modded OEM controllers. I hate cables

[lean spruce]

you need either SNAX (if you want to use PSX adpter) or SNAC. But controller adaptors have to be same spec. So no blisster stuff. Hope @graceful radish chimes in
https://misteraddons.com/collections/parts/products/serial-native-accessory-converter-snac
or
https://misteraddons.com/collections/parts/products/mister-fpga-serial-native-accessory-converter-snac

[compact depot]

It’s perfectly possible to do that for MiSTer yeah

[desert crow]

regular snac there is only for 5v devices. porkchops n64 cable won't work with that either I don't believe. snax is what you want if you want to use his cables for psx and n64. And I believe he's got the snax64 which adds two ports for 64 coming also

[rare flint]

@lean spruce I cant'see wich one supports my N64 adapter

[lean spruce]

SNAX it is then

[tender pine]

Raphnet not a good choice for using OG controller?

[native mesa]

It works well

[surreal bay]

raphnet does work well

[rare flint]

I use raphnet for USB connection

[weary palm]

But controller pak and transfer paks won't work afaik

[tender pine]

Ah. That could be a problem.

[native mesa]

I haven't tried but I've got a stone of agony laying around somewhere

[tender pine]

Just so long as rumble works.

[weary palm]

Stone goes brrrrr

[rare flint]

Ok, I've ordered the SNAX one on MisterAddons, thanks to all for explanation!

A last not related question.. Someone can remind me why to really save the progress already saved in a N64 game I have to open the OSD? (also in PSX core..) And if I use the SNAC with controller PAC the opening of the OSD will be also needed?

[languid dune]

Every core saves that way. Can't speak for why it's handled that way though.

[rare flint]

uhm every core? Are you sure?

[languid dune]

Yeah

[weary palm]

Yup

[languid dune]

Just set it to auto save, and opening the OSD will always do the trick.

[rare flint]

yes but I have still to remember to open the OSD, have I?

[languid dune]

Yes

[weary palm]

Yes

[languid dune]

jinx!

lol

[weary palm]

🤐

[rare flint]

Ok! using SNAC with real controller pack or real PSX memory card still I need to open OSD?

[languid dune]

I've never tried using a real memory card with MiSTer, so I can't say for sure. But I assume it wouldn't need the OSD to do it.

[desert crow]

no you do not have to

[rare flint]

thanks guys!

[desert crow]

but not all games use cpak in n64s case

[rare flint]

ok

oot uses it?

[languid dune]

Not to my knowledge.

[desert crow]

no saves on cart

[languid dune]

OoT uses rumble pak, and saves on the cart itself.

Most of the big N64 releases either don't use the controller pak at all, or only use it for saving things like ghost data in Mario Kart.

It was mostly used by third-party publishers to save on cart costs.

[weary palm]

Sometimes games writes constantly to battery backed up RAM, that would add wear to a SD card as they're not made for that. That's the reason to my understanding.

[rare flint]

ok so for OoT I have always to save via OSD even with SNAC, right?

[languid dune]

Yes

[rare flint]

ok thanks!

[weary palm]

Just make a habit of opening up the osd before powering of your mister

[rare flint]

ok I have to make that habit yes

[languid dune]

It's a good practice to just always get in the habit of opening the OSD when saving in a game on MiSTer since nearly all games need it outside of PS1 via SNAC.

I remember early on when I first got my MiSTer I lost a ton of progress in Ys on the TG-16 core because I powered off my MiSTer before opening the OSD without thinking!

[weary palm]

I seldom power it off tbh

[languid dune]

Never happened again!

[weary palm]

So not a problem for me

[rare flint]

it's a very dangerous method, but if it's technically needed...

[languid dune]

Danger is my middle name.

[toxic pumice]

goddaaaaaaaaaamn the AI in SF Rush 2049 is something hardcore

'beginner circuit' indeed

probably one of the few times (especially for a Midway game) where the AI in the arcade version is fairer

[graceful radish]

SNAX will do the trick!

[graceful radish]

I should. I have most in human readable Google Slide format

[oblique crow]

Eyyy there he is

The man himself, thanks for putting together both my orders in such a speedy fashion

< David Drury

Appreciate you!

[zinc dew]

A good habit I follow is when I’m done playing for the night I always remember to exit out to the main menu.

In reality you don’t need to do that but it’s become second nature now and I’ve never lost progress.

[fair stump]

Every time I save I open the osd, takes just a second

[hollow rune]

Same

[wanton sun]

i always have autosave off and save manually 😅

[deft tree]

madness

[ripe cargo]

I havent tried with recent builds, but I had success using Misteraddons older SNAC adapter, and an older Bliss N64 adapter.

[wanton sun]

i understand some wouldn't mind constant saving to sdcard, but i want to limit the writes even more by not writing every time i adjust the volume or so

[daring meteor]

Use a controller with a volume slider

[toxic pumice]

Daikatana seems to have a crash bug at the moment when trying to load game, not sure if this is known or not.

[zinc dew]

Odd, I was able to load a game just fine. I’ll double check now.

[toxic pumice]

nevermind - Looks like it was a one-off, ignore me. I've just reset and it's worked perfectly fine

[oblique crow]

Rob is just trying to save you the pain of playing it

I still have a "John Romero's about to make you his bitch" poster somewhere in storage

[modern sleet]

Yup, the one that I got with my console in 98

[marble cargo]

https://vxtwitter.com/Litronom/status/1718687633965011261?t=slUvLOgTPYk6lH0DLqPcig&s=19

[oblique crow]

I have never had a game give me motion sickness, but I think if I played that, I'd hurl. Just even those few seconds of movement were super disorienting

[orchid nimbus]

I just had my 8 red coins too 😄

(shotgun mario)

[weary palm]

Damn pesky floating point shenanigans

[daring meteor]

Inb4 someone finds a crash for the DMABusy thing that Robert fixed

[wanton sun]

the floating point crash looks like a divide by zero

CSR bit 5 is set -> csr_flag_divisionByZero

[bitter storm]

My saves seem to have vanished with the update from yesterday. I haven't tried the update from today yet. The lastcore script always booted the psx core instead of the n64 core when the last thing I played was n64 for some reason and the update fixed that. Maybe they were related, or maybe it is just the general instability with a beta core that is to be expected.

[daring meteor]

I don't think this is related

[silent marten]

Jet Force Gemini no longer has its crash message and now thr audio continues but the screen freezes

[zinc dew]

Baby steps!

[wanton sun]

i think i had this before, it's kind of random how it hangs

[silent marten]

I will try the cracked one

[wanton sun]

i should work on the PI timings to be halfway correct. currently they are way too fast

[gritty river]

This may have been asked, but for TLB, would you need more SDRam?

[wanton sun]

no

but actually that's a great idea! i don't need to implement the TLB at all if i just provide full 64bit of memory space. Somebody has that ready? 😛

Jet Force gemini depends on the PI timings to be ballpark accurate. Currently they are around 4 times as fast as they should be. Good for loading times, bad for some games

[gritty river]

Cheers, also yeah lmao I'll get on that

[chrome quest]

Cracked PAL Jet Force no change here. Loads in an existing save file (new game that crashed during the cutscene), completes an aircraft landing cutscene but Black screen 0 FPS crash just before gameplay would load in

[gritty river]

I'm looking forward to Mystical Ninja 2

[silent marten]

In your own time Robert, we can wait for this one 🙂

[weary palm]

64 bits of address space? Isn't that several terabytes?

[gritty river]

After it's playable I want to look into patching the game to tweak the platforming

[wanton sun]

if you explain the joke, it's less funny 😅

[dreamy grove]

Quite a few more than several terabytes

[gritty river]

That being said, on modern platforms they're using virtual addresses

[weary palm]

Germans with humor? What's next?

[gritty river]

At least user space

Hey if he can do an N64 core I trust him with a standup comedy routine

[viral portal]

I'm as happy as a little girl

[gritty river]

Fun fact about virtual addresses on some systems; a few bits go unused and are great for tagging where the memory was allocated

[weary palm]

The funniest joke ever written was in fact in German.

[gritty river]

We used this on the 360 to also guard against annoying bugs that violated access

[solemn marlin]

Anything else uses TLB? Or is it still in use?

Besides n64 I mean

[wanton sun]

That sounds more like dutch?

[daring meteor]

I wish

Well

I don't wish

(Unless by "Several" you mean like, 20 million)

[gritty river]

Dutch people are boring, source: I'm Dutch

I try

[weary palm]

https://youtu.be/Qklvh5Cp_Bs

[zinc dew]

No you’re Natrox

Dutch was a character from the film Predator

Yeah it’s super good. Natively supports twin analog sticks too.

[gritty river]

I bet you enjoy Dutch ovens

Yeah Dutch ovens

[chilly ember]

Goldmember on Austin powers is from Holland

[gritty river]

But speaks in a German accent, and I still don't know if that was a goof or some subtle irony

[zinc dew]

That’s a Dutch oven

[wanton sun]

probably also in other games that had banding in transparent objects or in fog

[daring meteor]

Yesterday's build

[zinc dew]

Omg the transparent polygons in Stunt Racer 64 are fixed!

Err the red flashing polys

[oblique crow]

I walk away for 30 min and come back and there's a new build. Dopamine hit.

[cerulean elk]

What’s good to test that’s not OOT?

[zinc dew]

Stunt Racer

Game looks perfect now

[weary palm]

You look perfect now.

[cerulean elk]

Noted. I was just editing Tuesday’s preview. Can sub in stunt racer

[solemn marlin]

There's some weird stuff with top gear overdrive but you probably already know

[vagrant ivy]

Quest 64 as always

[solemn marlin]

Further away cars are only four wheels before they get closer and then render correctly

[chrome quest]

Not sure I've ever heard anyone note that before. I'd only found errors in the menus (fixed now too) and if I played past it was a while ago. I'm curious to check

[wanton sun]

but it sounds interesting 🙂

i mean, we had quite some graphical bugs recently, but most have not been funny since pikachu and mario had their faces lifted

oh it's beetle adventure racing 2

[chrome quest]

I can't seem to replicate. Maybe for a very brief moment at distance. Could you get a screenshot? It does indeed sound like an entertaining looking bug at least!

[solemn marlin]

I'll see if I can take a pic

[daring meteor]

Guys don't look at the commit I did on my mister64 fork on my github

[weary palm]

OK, promise

[teal sail]

Yeah it is the same issue that makes the biker to not show up in Top Gear Hyper-Bike, probably LOD related

[wanton sun]

i cannot get it, no matter how far away the cars are. until they are only 2-3 pixel wide

[teal sail]

But I have not checked recently, may be it was fixed yesterday

[zinc dew]

Can you link it so I can make sure to not look at it?

[daring meteor]

https://github.com/trbocode/Mister64

[ebon oyster]

Is that game supposed to run in some unusual 30Hz video mode rather than 60Hz? Or maybe in a 60Hz interlaced "hi-res" mode?

My eyes must be broken. Where is the unexpected banding?

[chrome quest]

World Driver Championship in-game looking perfect now (near as I can tell anyway)!

[wanton sun]

does this help with something? it's not an oversight, i have it like that also in my emulator

i would assume it's right to have the coordinate clamp against zero when the value that is used later would be negative?

[daring meteor]

It brings back a fan favorite feature of the core

[wanton sun]

oh, i see 😅

[daring meteor]

(At least should bring it)

[quick arch]

Are those kind of errors could help for floating point issues ?

[wanton sun]

there should be also a error code overlay when floating point errors happen?

[chilly ember]

No face mario?

[daring meteor]

Nope

[wanton sun]

does the error flag (bit 4, so something like E000010) also trigger when this screen comes up?

[chilly ember]

Awe

[quick arch]

it is E0000010

[daring meteor]

It's multi eyed mario

[wanton sun]

if that is reproducible, it would be super helpful

[quick arch]

yes it is

[wanton sun]

which game and how? 🙂

[zinc dew]

”A surprise commit that will help us later”

lmaaaaaao

[quick arch]

I will send you informations in PM
The games is Dinosaur Planet during the begining of the race I will send the save and the game

[chilly ember]

Ball chinian

[chrome quest]

Just to correct an earlier statement, World Driver Championship perfect, other than absence of letterboxing. Noting for now, but I believe that is just not dealt with yet.
Funny Hi-res mode though. No expansion pack used. It increases the resoultion... by adding black bars top and bottom. Don't think I've seen that as an option before

[wanton sun]

thanks. i will be away for today, but i can try it tomorrow

[solemn marlin]

There to the left, it pops in, I saw it do the same in a youtube video

[chrome quest]

Emulator or real hardware?

[solemn marlin]

I assume it was emulated

[wanton sun]

this is with the current core? i did a full race and never saw it

[solemn marlin]

Oh this is 20231025, might be on an old one 😬

[thorn flax]

guilty

[toxic pumice]

core released 4 days ago, multiple revisions behind. lol

I love it

[solemn marlin]

Nvm fixed lol

[wanton sun]

no worries, i'm glad it's not just super rare

[solemn marlin]

Some bad stuff still in the hud tho but nothing else

[zinc dew]

Yeah, you’re in 7/12 place!

[solemn marlin]

Those black lines shouldn't be there and now it's the latest core, sry I'll remember to update before complaining lol

[zinc dew]

Only post bugs when you’re in first place. We’re all winners here and we demand the best from everyone!!

[daring meteor]

Can I post insects?

[zinc dew]

[solemn marlin]

No that's another bug, I was first

[chrome quest]

All insects may be bugs, but not all bugs are insects

....or the other way around.... I'm more confused after googling

[mortal panther]

Quid pro quo, Clarice.

[proud tundra]

Is it just me…?
I have a known issue with the N64 Core and RR64, so every update I check if it has fixed the problem.
There must be others with games they keep and eye on a fix for.
In RR64 the head lights and tail lights of the cars don’t have the correct graphics, instead having unfilled polygons.

[toxic pumice]

I'm pretty sure this is a known issue, i've seen this mentioned before

[proud tundra]

Must be in multiple games I guess.

[fair stump]

Anything interesting on the test sheet updated today?

[chrome quest]

I think we all have the few things we check each revision. Advantage of numbers! We seem to get decent individually niches which is convenient. Not all overlapping with the same favourite games

[rose elbow]

the vid on the left has diagonal banding, on the fog, on the wall in the distance

(fixed now yaaay) :):) thanks robert

[chrome quest]

While your here, was quickly testing Pro Mahjong Kiwame 64. Down as "Boots". Do you remember what the issue you found was? I seem to be able to play without a crash (even though I can't understanding anything that is happening in this game)

[languid dune]

That's exactly what I do as well. I just open the OSD and exit to the main menu every time. And yeah, you definitely don't need to do that, but it feels like I'm "closing shop" for the night or something. 😅

[fair stump]

Unfortunately I can't recall. It might have been a case where the main menu wasn't working for me and couldn't get to gameplay or something like that. I would have to check the core version I tested with

[chrome quest]

I'll leave it until you can check then to be safe. Lots of menu options in this game, could well be something. My complete lack of japanese ain't helping

[fair stump]

If it is working for you then I'd say it's safe to update

[chilly ember]

I managed to get in game and shot some guys in Jet Force Gemini with my save file 4 minutes of the way into the game from my everdrive sd card. Still crashes randomly but cool to finally be able to do something

[native mesa]

Bug used to be literal bugs

[dusty tusk]

Killer Instinct is still one of the weirder anamolies

[cerulean elk]

Mind if I show this clip Tuesday with credit?

I get more damn Jet Force Gemini comments than anything else

[chilly ember]

Yea no worries, I've been trying it every core just to see it get game

Has to be everdrive patched version

Vanilla one crashes before you can get in game with my save

[cerulean elk]

N64 vid is live. Diff theme tonight

[languid dune]

Is there a Jet Force Gemini patch that makes it so you don't have to collect those dang gremlins to get the true ending? I always liked the game except for that.

[chilly ember]

I always accidentally shoot them

[languid dune]

And I always "accidentally" shoot them.

[weary palm]

Is the crack needed?

[fair stump]

The mia hamm transitions may be the strangest visual bug I've seen lately

[lofty dragon]

Hey guys does anybody know where i can get the database file:

i cant seem to find the your quests answered pinned msg

[chilly ember]

It is for now I guess to get in game but still crashes pretty quick and haven't managed to get out of a area without a crash

[chrome quest]

I think update_all should be able to pull it?
If not: https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/N64_ROM_Database/tree/main
Also check vampiers site, there's a link there too; https://vampier.net/N64/

[weary beacon]

The aplha banding in OoT is resolved with the diphering 🙂
Is the dedipher filter also applied to alpha?

[mossy vector]

No dedither is only able to see the RGB555

By the end of rendering pipeline at the VI you have 15 bit color and a coverage percentage.

[modern sleet]

How come we only complain now when something seems off center, but when we were kids, nobody said a word: Banjo on a real N64 haha

oh the horror

[viral portal]

I don't think any kid is worried about how accurate anything was. We were all just enamored with fancy colors and graphics.

[thorn flax]

more cores with vh adjustment is a desirable goal imo

[modern sleet]

I miss the blissful ignorance of being 8

[brisk edge]

Yeah I never noticed anything weird about banjo's video output until many many years after. But I would imagine whatever TV I was playing on probably had crazy overscan problems when I was a kid.

[brisk drum]

That’s a nice trini

S video in the front!

[modern sleet]

geometry is a bit wonky but looks ok haha

[rose elbow]

write a letter to nintendo!

[modern sleet]

Robert64, what the N64 should have been.

[rose elbow]

what i've always wanted to know is.. how come in Ocarina of time the peahats disappear from Hyrule Field when you become adult?

in every other regard the game is harder when you're an adult

[dusty tusk]

Their diets consist entirely of children

[rose elbow]

ahh

actually i just thought about it some more.. its gotta be the horse combat not being up to scratch or something lol

dont mind me lol

[dusty tusk]

That probably is accurate actually

[rose elbow]

always found that so confusing as a kid

[dusty tusk]

Probably had some bugs they couldn't resolve in time so they just disabled them in adult mode

[rose elbow]

aha

easy fix

[dusty tusk]

If there was a GameShark code to reenable them I think we'd have our answer pretty quickly

[rose elbow]

oooh

the true master quest

hyrule field littered with peahats and arwings

[dusk glen]

Interesting, I thought RGB was 6 bits per channel on the analog board as well, I just tested the RGB VGA out on two different CRTs and two different LCD displays and they do show color banding over VGA that aren't visible on HDMI. Is it possible that different revisions of Analog board have different bit depths in their DACs?

[hollow orbit]

Random question. Having delved deep into PSX and N64 architectures, how do you think a CD based N64 would have been different @wanton sun?

[modern sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/loading-load-loading-time-gif-5614794

[orchid nimbus]

I'm now all warm and fuzzy inside

also: lol @ blasting the baby penguin

[weary palm]

Kill them all

[rose elbow]

im really hoping the devs can iron out the bugs that appear on real hardware/mister

i checked their youtube and they seem pretty invested in the emulator scene/improving the original game kinda aspect

[weary palm]

You're not allowed to? Boooo!

[mortal panther]

This isn't Super Wario 64.

He's not a monster! 😄

[rose elbow]

you can blow up the big parent penguins thankfully enough !

[orchid nimbus]

well blow away

not blow up

[rose elbow]

lol

[orchid nimbus]

let's keep it humane

[rose elbow]

i thought it was blow up

my mistake!

[orchid nimbus]

yeah no flying guts and all that stuff

[rose elbow]

wow

nsfw

[rose elbow]

Mario Wonder does say "Nice!!!" and "Great!" whenever you kill goombas weirdly enough lol

[weary beacon]

She was a bad mother anyway

[orchid nimbus]

I like the racking of the slide at the end of the stage

nice touch

[mossy vector]

I'm not gonna dogpile on you but at that point in time Nintendo burnt both their bridges with CD technology. Only Sony and Philips could build their CD-Roms due to patents and licensing. JVC Victor was building Sega's drives. Sega was also buying Hitachi chips. So CD was not a viable business option, it was never considered for N64 in 1994 design spec.

[orchid nimbus]

even though Sony and Philips were direct competitors (the state of Philips is.... dismal at best at this point) they used Sony CRT standoffs 😄

I was lucky enough to tour part of the philips factories once

back in 1991/1992 or so

[mossy vector]

Cool

[oblique crow]

Uh well - I had a Sony Walkman CD player

[orchid nimbus]

dive up close to the window

[rose elbow]

ohhh there it is

[orchid nimbus]

this used to the museum where philips showed things they had planned for the future

[rose elbow]

it's kinda fun how the game just breaks the camera too letting you noclip into all the walls

[orchid nimbus]

yeah

it's the shotgun camera that's messing things up

[rose elbow]

flying around with the wing cap and blasting things is super fun too btw, recommended LOL

[hollow orbit]

I know. I’m just curious in an alternate world where it didn’t go that way how much of the architecture that we got, if any, would have still been used.

[vapid moat]

Interestingly enough my 21" Trinitron lets me adjust horizontal position of output if connected to RGB

[zenith orchid]

Man what a cool setup! sorry for the delayed response. Have you tried any pwads?

[lofty dragon]

Thankss bro i was able to set it up

[rose elbow]

--- Last updated: 2023-10-28 - Version 1.0.3 ---
ooh there was an update the other day to shotgun mario

[chrome quest]

Stadium 2 is fun, but dang is it hard. Getting there....

[orchid nimbus]

oh sweet

https://api.romhacking.com/game/shotgun-mario-64/Shotgun Mario 64 1.0.3.zip

[elfin depot]

@zenith orchid not on Mister, I have a Dolch Pac that I retro computer game on and I've played the total Aliens conversion on that one.

[solemn marlin]

Diddy kong racing is nearly unplayable with rainbow boosting, it becomes way too easy

Mario kart still has those moments where you can fail miserably even if you play well

[zenith orchid]

yeah looking at the repo, I'm not sure it supports pwads

though in theory an iwad could be modified to have the pwad assets baked in

[mortal panther]

Can't shoot the baby penguins... but you can leave them parentless.

[orchid nimbus]

psycho mario

[chilly ember]

Maybe it will crash less now with this update

[orchid nimbus]

I shot a star

it broke in 2 😄

[oblique crow]

its great isn't it?!

It's my favorite ROM hack I have ever played

[rose elbow]

i wonder if they'd be able to swap the L and R buttons, so L is change camera and R is shoot (in the few instances when im too lazy to grab a better suited controller lol)

[mortal panther]

On the Brawler 64 controller, I remapped L to the right trigger/Z button.

[rose elbow]

nice. ya with like, the hori/retrobit kinda controllers it's also not an issue

and on mister it's not an issue with all the controller options lol

[mortal panther]

The actual Z in-game is still mapped to the left trigger/Z button.

[rose elbow]

truly just something for the 1% of nerds out there wanting to play on original hardware

shooting the eel in the underwater level still crashes it

[kind solar]

ive still had no crashes

and i shot that eel

[rose elbow]

! dang

[kind solar]

😎

[rose elbow]

that was my first crash so it was my go to testing scenario just now

you always remember your first time being slapped in the face by a giant eel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=3465&v=dwocbYXAI48&feature=youtu.be

[weary palm]

Philips makes lamps

[plush summit]

Do we apply the noface patch then Shotgun patch? 😄

[kind solar]

it is not required

[plush summit]

oh yeah? that's neat

[kind solar]

nice timing with the waaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh

[rose elbow]

its so funny lol

[plush summit]

Huh, weird that the gun is mapped to L

[rose elbow]

it really is kinda catered to emulators in mind i think

it also has c-button camera control mapped to Controller 2 joystick, so you can play with dual stick on a ps4 dualshock modern controller for example

[plush summit]

Yeah, but would've been nice to remap for OG controllers

[rose elbow]

ya

they've done so much to the game already, what's 1 more button remap 😅

[plush summit]

Yeah, bless MiSTer's remapping option

[rose elbow]

(incoming 4 paragraph explanation why remapping the R button would break the game phyiscs or something lol)

[vague socket]

Is wireless NSO controller working or is it usb C only? Thanks

[rose elbow]

both, working wirelessly. do need to manually update a file tho

#unstable-nightlies message

[vague socket]

Ah okay. The mister nightly / unstable? Just works with generic Bluetooth receivers?

[rose elbow]

yep! i'm using a ZEXMTE USB Bluetooth adapter with the NSO stuff here

[vague socket]

Awesome, last time I looked into it, the wireless option was thought to be unachievable! Good news then. ZLB image yea? Thanks again

[rose elbow]

rename "zImage_dtb_unstable_20230923_124b30" to "zImage_dtb" and drop in root/linux

[vague socket]

Brilliant. Will do. Thanks for the help

[rose elbow]

i've linked to the unstable that has updates for stadia controller cos it includes all the previous updates too, including the nso n64 one

in particular there was also updates that include the nso sega controllers which was of particular interest for me :D

[vague socket]

Yep assumed as much mate

[vague socket]

Oh okay! Always ignored the megadrive controller on the store. But getting them working on mister. Well that makes them viable

[rose elbow]

yeah, i think m30 2.4g is probably the way to go because it has better connection, less latency

but that 3 button controller is so nostalgic i don't care lol

[vague socket]

I have one but I don’t really like too many usb devices / dongles, which is strange as I’ll connect up cables for SNAC but I guess I’m just a little strange 😬

[rose elbow]

BT has its perks sometimes (convenience)

[vague socket]

I’m looking forward to a Uk seller of n64 SNAC, as old n64 controllers somehow feel great. Especially for wave race I find. Guess I’m used to stick / control after years of using them

[kind solar]

i read they made that controller better than the og

the nso 3 button i mean

bc the original was pretty awful iirc

[rose elbow]

i need to look into SNAC or maybe just daemonbite adapters/or something along those lines

the n64 controller i reckon i probably don't wanna be using my originals..

but would be fun to play aroun with, using the original controllers from my childhood on the beefed up mister

[zinc dew]

Yeah, this is the only core where for me standard controllers aren’t adequate replacements

[zenith orchid]

I got in touch with the dev, he suggests using wsl

he never tried using windows to do this

[zealous hull]

I recently moved away from Git Bash to just outright having WSL on my Windows machine.

Wow. It's really really nice.

[hazy arch]

is this expected behavior over hdmi? Its black with no OSD on my CRT

[elfin depot]

I spent a lot of time trying in Windows, kept crashing on line 60 of the makefile. At this point I've given up, I'll maybe spin up a Linux box and give that a go at a later date unless someone else wants to try building the full game, love to have Wolf64 full version on the MiSTer

[zenith orchid]

it should work on the first try

[cyan pagoda]

When you see these lines it usually needs a mister restart. It happens on other cores

[hazy arch]

It actually persists after a restart. The first few times I ran the core it didn't happen, but now its permanent for some reason. I dont recall changing any settings though

[cyan pagoda]

Like physically on and off? That’s weird 😮

[restive cove]

does anyone know where this perfect dark patch at

a link

[hazy arch]

yeah ikr

[zinc dew]

Yup! Check the pins.

[orchid nimbus]

It’s pinned by a perfect dork 🙂

adorkable

That’s what I call a friend of mine when she fails at being a nerdy dork

[zinc dew]

lol

[elfin depot]

What could have been.

[zinc dew]

It’s fascinating how different teams end up reaching the same conclusions and do similar tech. Thats basically the VMU idea before the Dreamcast but SEGA was well underway developing it in secret.

[kind solar]

is that a gameboy in there?

[rose elbow]

was just watching this video that said exactly this, as you asked it https://youtu.be/VL_k8Girn2o?t=257

[kind solar]

based

it looks like a bdsm harness tho

sorry

[plush summit]

What's the deal with the Hard4Games gang? They sound pretty well connected getting all these prototypes

[rose elbow]

i cant never look at he N64 Secret Screen prototype the same ever again now 🤣 @kind solar

[kind solar]

for when your kink is being strapped down and forced to play gameboy

[rose elbow]

the visual image u've created makes the joystick sticking out a lot funnier

[kind solar]

ohgod

[rose elbow]

LOL

[kind solar]

i should behave myself better i'm still a newbie here

[rose elbow]

lol

[zinc dew]

it’s hilarious lol

[fair stump]

N64 channel after dark

[zinc dew]

I mean we’ve got rules so as long as people obey em that’s all that matters. The goal is to create a welcoming and awesome community. Sometimes we get rowdy, something we get gross, but fundamentally we all support each other.

That’s all that matters. Just being a good place because we are all already friends, we just don’t know it yet.

someone who’s into retro gaming so much as to get a MiSTer? Sounds like an awesome person I want to be friends with imo.

Ok I’m done rambling sorry

[fair stump]

Oh I wasn't complaining

[dusk glen]

I have a M30 with 2.4GHz USB dongle, it also supports wired connection. I can't say enough nice things about it, the thing is just great. And in my country it's super cheap, as apparently there's a partnership between 8bitdo and the old manufacturer of SEGA Mega Drive stuff. I've seen it on sale for a tad under 20 USD with free shipping. I'm sure the NSO Mega Drive controller is also very good, but it's gonna be real hard beat a price like this.

[zinc dew]

I know, sorry. I just like to talk out loud sometimes. What spurred me was @kind solar saying she should behave themselves.

[kind solar]

*she thx

[zinc dew]

Oh I’m so sorry!

Fixed

[dusk glen]

Yeah, me too, I'd love to be able to share controller pak data between real hardware and the MiSTer.

[zinc dew]

Yeah that works!

[kind solar]

np!

[elfin depot]

And now I can't unsee it...

[zinc dew]

ok so, why do you have that

[elfin depot]

I'm a leatherworker, Halloween is pretty busy, this is part of someone's pinhead outfit we are making

[zinc dew]

I hope your past about being the inspiration for Full Throttle gets revealed

[orchid nimbus]

Quest64 s&m RPG

[zinc dew]

Oh damnit that’s so pedestrian

I mean I think it’s really cool

But like I was hoping you roamed the highways dealing out vigilante justice

[elfin depot]

Like this?

[zinc dew]

AWESOME

[rose elbow]

when you have friends over and hand them the "bad" controller 😈

[dusk glen]

It's OK, everybody goes through a rebellious teen phase. He'll eventually grow out of it, probably.

[brisk edge]

The main guy used to be a big collector of prototype and development hardware. Sounds like he sold it all recently, but I think he still helps get prototypes dumped or connect people to get releases to happen.

[zinc dew]

Prototype hoarding sucks

Unless it’s a prototype @stoic parcel wants to play. Then it should never be dumped.

[brisk edge]

The H4G guy definitely is trusted among the prototype / beta circle, but yeah, sounds like he found himself in hard times and just getting older so he sold a ton of the hardware he had. Mostly just development kits

[plush summit]

I think it makes sense, prototype hardware can only be worth as much as hype

[elfin depot]

itbelongsinamuseum.gif

[brisk edge]

I don't think I've ever come close to owning development hardware. Every time something goes up for sale it's like $1000+ regardless of the system.

Those dev ps2s and GameCubes look cool though 🥲

[elfin depot]

Same with kiosks, love to have one/some, but way outta my range

[brisk edge]

Want this $3000 kiosk that you also need to figure out shipping for?

[zinc dew]

I wish I kept my DS dev kit 😭

[brisk edge]

Don't they usually make you return that stuff? Lol

[plush summit]

Video Game and Museum should never go together 😛

[brisk edge]

Or was it like you used a dev kit so long it basically got retired and they didn't really pay attention to it anymore

[zinc dew]

Yeah lol

company went under shortly after, not sure what happened to them. Owner was a human masquerading as a porcupine scam artist so maybe he kept them all and sold them.

[plush summit]

Indie studio?

[zinc dew]

Handheld, n-Space

[plush summit]

oh shit, I remember n-Space

[elfin depot]

Like this? Cooooi

[plush summit]

damn that sucks to hear

[plush summit]

the OG DS was ugly, but it was reliable as hell

[zinc dew]

Yeah I had that but the DS Lite version

Intelligent Systems makes awesome dev hardware

I eventually got the DSi version

And then 3DS

[brisk edge]

Oh hey the Geist studio. Um, I liked that game at least. Sorry to hear how the studio died though

[zinc dew]

Yeah that was all Nintendo. The team at the time were terrible designers which is why Nintendo didn’t work with them afterwards lol.

It was basically the team doing stuff and Nintendo coming in and fixing it.

constantly

[brisk edge]

Oh that sounds like such a fun time, and definitely not hell 🫠

[zinc dew]

It’s only hell because the team thought they knew what they were doing and thought they knew better than Nintendo

[brisk edge]

Also, I did not realize MW3 came to DS until just now

[zinc dew]

like seriously??? How do you think you know better than Nintendo lmao

[zinc dew]

Yah, it’s ok

[rose elbow]

do u know which team at nintendo / who that was ? on Geist ?

[plush summit]

If there's one thing Nintendo hates, its people with bigger egos 😭😂

[rose elbow]

geist*

[zinc dew]

Miyamoto and I forgot who else

Miyamoto never came to visit

[brisk edge]

Do you have any good memories from there or was it always just kinda shitty

[rose elbow]

ahh very cool!

[zinc dew]

I have good memories but it was pretty shitty. Management didn’t know what they were doing and prioritized cheap/on-time over game quality. Which will destroy you because you don’t make good games that way.

We never missed a deadline to the detriment of the game’s quality and initial scope.

And being on-time really doesn’t matter when you make shit games.

Hindsight is 20/20 but being a more seasoned and older developer I realize now how terribly the company was run.

[pale granite]

I might be able to get one but still on the fence, they arent cheap.

I played with one and its fun to use on PVMs

[plush summit]

I think people believe working at Nintendo is like a regular 9-5

[brisk edge]

Bummer to hear, but at least you are wiser to it now. Hopefully you've had better and less stressful jobs since then

[zinc dew]

NOPE lol. That and it’s Japan so it’s like a 6am to 3am.

[rose elbow]

i think Shigeru Miyamoto even said something about this once, there's that famous quote ..

[languid dune]

Classic Miyamoto!

[zinc dew]

Dude, the biggest revelation was when I joined a major developer and after a week realized just how shit my prior company was.

It was a different kind of stressful. You worked hard because you knew you were making a great game and put in the effort and time not because management was run by complete idiots but because you and the team keep pushing each other harder to be the best you can. I have a lot of pride in that.

At n-Space I knew I was the smartest person in the room. At id I felt like I was the dumbest. It’s the best experience to have.

[pale granite]

I can relate, not from game industry but about shitty teams vs exciting projects

[zinc dew]

Made me feel really good about myself realizing the n-Space games were bad not because of me but because of management, studio culture, and other people on the team.

Huge confidence boost, frankly.

[languid dune]

I can definitely relate to bad management on the job. So many bad memories...

[hearty oar]

I love working on garbage games that I would never want to play with great people that I love

[zinc dew]

Sorry I’ll stop talking about myself

[plush summit]

I can relate, fortunately, I went through the ringer at the bottom and literally every move its nothing but a plus

If you can identity red flags before they happen, you could de-stress much easier

[brisk edge]

I've been blessed that my first software development job (not video games) is with a company I really like and a super hardworking team of folks in our BA. I can see how easily a bad environment or bad management can turn any projects into hell though. Thankfully, the worst I've had happen is just deadlines being a little tight and not having a ton of experience so I underestimate the work required sometimes, but yeah, those are things you just get used to with time.

[polar raft]

"A delayed game is eventually good."
That means Duke Nukem Forever is the best game ever

[plush summit]

I guess Miyamoto forgot about Majora's Mask's development

Accidentally made the greatest Zelda game ever

[pale granite]

to be fair more than one game studio went under because they were too delayed and ran out of money

but the failure there is not one delayed game, but not having smaller games in the interim...

[rose elbow]

game development seems hard!!

[plush summit]

Labor is labor, never cheap and always human 😛

[elfin depot]

And when it's not human, it's hilarious

[lilac scroll]

I miss the clicky dpad and transflexive screen

[plush summit]

Those buttons were great 😌

[compact lark]

Is Dance Dance Revolution Disney Dancing Museum a tlb game?

[dusk glen]

Anyone did a DIY SNAC adapter for the N64 yet?

[thorn flax]

no I don't think

but makes sense

[zinc dew]

Yes

[thorn flax]

why would you make that now, which would just result in flooding the market with bitfunx?
there's actual productive contributors to the MiSTer project who should make money before anyone else.

at least imo. which is correct

[plush summit]

most likely international shipping is preventing people from buying SNAX?

I don't know shipping rates across the pond

[dusk glen]

Because DIY is fun and the N64 connector is ridiculously simple?

Is there anyone selling N64 SNAC adapters already? I tried looking, but only found USB / Blisster style adapters.

[thorn flax]

https://misteraddons.com/products/hdmi-controller-adapters?_pos=1&_sid=36091a8d2&_ss=r&variant=40250232832133

[dusk glen]

Also, depending where the seller is located, this simple adapter could cost me and my fellow brazilians a pretty penny. We had a huge tax hike recently on imports and it depending on shipping cost and location, an adapter like this could end up costing over 200 USD. So I'd really rather DIY if I can.

[quasi storm]

So, I finally decided to give Mortal Kombat Mythologies: Sub Zero a try... Oh my god, dude.

When you start the game and Scorpion says, "You will fail.", he wasn't kidding.

[dusk glen]

Yikes, 204 USD total after taxes.

[thorn flax]

criminal

utterly vile

I'm actually mad reading this

[dusk glen]

No wonder everyone who can is moving out.

[rose elbow]

because of MiSTer! 🙌

(sorry) lol

[pale granite]

Brazil always had insane import policies

[rose elbow]

even back to NES days right ?

[thorn flax]

every Brazilian I've ever known was friendly, hardworking and creative. all the ingredients needed for prosperity.

it's hurts me to see them held back so

[dusk glen]

Damn, USPS or UPS are the only shipping options, that means likely an additional 25 to 30 dollar customs release fee.

[rose elbow]

i vaguely remember there was something about consoles not being able to be sold in Brazil because of a law that required them to be produced locally, and game companies refused. so it just fed the black market import market to strive (or something)

[pale granite]

as far as I know. Argentina next door was a bit more lax but everybody pirated everything there (OG stuff never released officially IIRC)

[inner garden]

I just want to see Mario’s beautiful stretchy shnoz

[thorn flax]

Chile was also quite wealthy and free trade wise

[pale granite]

there was a big SMS scene in Brazil, with local games made

[rose elbow]

that stuff is really interesting!

the history

[dusk glen]

Common issue in the 80s and 90s due to PNI or "Plano Nacional da Informática", a law that restricted imports on computers to "protect and promote the development of brazilian computer industry"... instead we ended up with lots of pirated clones and outdated hardware.

[thorn flax]

yeah, sega knew they couldn't directly sell to that market. but tectoy handled the license quite well

[rose elbow]

there it is

[pale granite]

was the MSX popular in Brazil? it was in Argentina at least

[orchid nimbus]

yes

Gradiente 😛

[dusk glen]

It was, but my family couldn't afford a computer back then.

[orchid nimbus]

National

[pale granite]

I grew up partly in Argentina; it had lots of Famiclones back then and some Sega stuff (which I guess came from Brazil)

[dusk glen]

My ex's first computer was an MSX compatible sold by Gradiente, the same company that manufactured the Nintendo 64 here in Brazil.

[pale granite]

the rest was imported and super expensive

like, we were aware other stuff existed at least

but forget about stuff like Neogeo, we only saw it in arcades

[dusk glen]

We had some pretty whacky stuff here in Brazil as well, for example, the "Phantom System", a NES clone in case that looked something like an Atari 5200 or 7800, but using a controller that was based on the Genesis / Mega Drive.

[orchid nimbus]

I was just updating the romdb for openMSX

new MSXDev games and hacks

[pale granite]

I guess both Argentina and Brazil had locally produced MSXs so they were technically not imported

[orchid nimbus]

and Sharp Epcom versions

[pale granite]

I've seen in Asia variants that look like PS1... sad for kids whose parents/grandparents got fooled

[dusk glen]

It also had a light gun that looked like the Light Phaser or something like that from Sega.

[stoic parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/johan-liebert-johan-monster-who-pinged-me-ping-gif-26288263

[pale granite]

summoned by famiclones?

[dusk glen]

Yep, that's the one.

[rose elbow]

odd choice to make the C button start instead of Select.. they should fix that

[pale granite]

thats wild, NES carts with SMS lightgun, Genesis gamepad, and 7800 console

[eternal ravine]

Maybe it can be RGB modded

[pale granite]

not in my experience, many Famiclones are Systems-on-a-Chip that output composite from one of their pins 😦

[thorn flax]

was there no n64 with a TV built in?

[pale granite]

device convergence seems to have stopped in the 16-bit era, except maybe for playing DVDs

[eternal ravine]

@dusk glen

[dusk glen]

I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. Most TVs in Brazil back then didn't even had composite input, it was very common to have to use RF modulators back then. I think the first TV with composite input we had was bought in the late 90s. We weren't exactly "poor" by brazilian standards, mind you, we just lived in a tiny city in the middle of nowhere.

[dusk glen]

Is that in USD? Even if it was BRL, looks like a ludicrous price. You could probably buy a somewhat scuffed Neo Geo AES around that price, assuming it's in BRL.

[pale granite]

yes same for Argentina; what arrived there was just a tiny subset of anything that existed at the time

this was pre internet, so news were also limited

my friends mostly had a C64 or MSX; I had an Apple IIe (technically my parents') and I've only ever met one other kid with one

[woeful grove]

wow what a shitshow

[pale granite]

later on everybody got some kind of PC clone, so it became more standard and everybody swapped floppies

[woeful grove]

that is a console with a serious identity crisis

[orchid nimbus]

@dusk glen we also have an #1056033525922537542 channel on this server - it's a bit hidden 😄

[eternal ravine]

OK, last one

[dusk glen]

haha, thanks. Unfortunately I know next to nothing about MSX. I only started having more contact with computers way after PNI was cut down and the restrictions were relaxed.

[orchid nimbus]

PNI?

[dusk glen]

Política Nacional da Informática

[orchid nimbus]

@dusk glen if you're interested I'm here - I know pretty much everything about the platform

[dusk glen]

A law that passed on 1984 and started to be cut down on 1991 that heavily restricted imports of computers and computer parts in Brazil.

[orchid nimbus]

https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Política_Nacional_de_Informática

oh I see

[dusk glen]

This law was further relaxed in 1998, but it's still in effect somewhat. Brazil is a pretty backwards country, we love copying policies that were already tried elsewhere in the world many times, and failed every time it was tried.

[orchid nimbus]

PNI seems to be backwards - unless you can produce chips yourself and design them

and from what I heard people could make more money outside Brasil

brain-drain complete

[dusk glen]

I often joke that we brazilians are indeed the most deeply faith-based people in the world, not because of the huge religious population we have, but because we always have faith we can make something that always failed work here. 😅

[orchid nimbus]

well Sepultura was a big export from Brasil atleast 😄

[dusk glen]

Sadly they're way more recognized outside Brazil as well. Vastly underrated band domestically.

[orchid nimbus]

oh well

[dusk glen]

Thanks, I'll probably try to learn about the MSX some time. Right now I'm trying to learn a bit more about brazilian Apple ][ clones as I managed to save a few that were about to become scrap. They look in terrible shape, but they seem to be simple enough that I can probably restore them.

[orchid nimbus]

nice

hope the cases can be cleaned up a bit

[dusk glen]

The cases are not too shabby, but there's quite a bit of corrosion on a few sockets and connectors, lots of cold joints and god knows what else. I hope the ROM chips are OK, I'm curious to know if they changed anything besides branding/trademarks. The keyboards are probably gonna need some serious care.

[pale granite]

wow that's interesting. I know a bit of Apple IIs (having grown up with one) so feel free to ping me if you want to chat about it

ROM chips can be repaired / restored

[dusk glen]

Oh, nice, thanks.

[wanton sun]

I think a good bunch of games would not have been possible. Load times are often underestimated. They are not just annoying for the users, but also prevent some development methods. Like, you cannot exchange a part of a level live if you have half a second of seek time on your CD. So the only way is streaming like Crash Bandicoot does or make sure there is always enough time. The corridors in SOTN show that well. However, that does not work in open areas. Even Mario64 would already struggle. One example for this: there is a DSi port of Mario64 but it doesn't work on the DS. Why? the DS has 4 Mbyte of RAM so it should work? But it does not, because the cart access is so slow on the DS, that asset loading does not work and the ROM also has to be in the RAM. So to make this short: while not having a CD prevented some types of games, but it enabled to have others thanks to the (relativly) fast cartridge transfer. And in my opinion that is the best that could happen for us, as otherwise some games would have never existed in the 5th generation of consoles

[versed cairn]

Mario 64 DS was a launch title for the base DS but I get what you mean with the speeds. Did you mean maybe rayman? I don’t know many dsi only games

[languid dune]

I assume he meant a DSi port of the original Mario 64.

Mario 64 DS is a remake that was rebuilt from the ground up for DS.

[versed cairn]

Yes

I’m looking it up now. It’s a fan port. Very cool

[wanton sun]

yes, sorry, could have made that more clear: the port of the n64 decompile project to DSi

[weary beacon]

If you slowdown the PI by default, do you intend to add a full speed option in the OSD?

[odd vector]

@wanton sun That's more of a personal question, you don't have to answer this. But I do wonder: Does your boss and team at your workspace know that you are an FPGA wizard? And do they also enjoy your core? 😄

[devout shard]

So I have something funny to report; I have a retro fighter brawler 64 controller with the 2.4ghz dongle that is compatible with original hardware, so I plugged it into snax and everything worked except for the start button
Tonight I had the idea of unplugging the foreverpak I had in the dongle and trying it again, and start button still didn’t work, but updating the core to the latest test build, the start buttons works

So I don’t know what you did but you fixed my problem before I notified people about it

[compact lark]

If the PS1 or the Saturn had carts, I wonder if they could run Mario 64.
Consequently if the N64 was CD-based, I wonder if it could've run Final Fantasy IX

[zenith orchid]

What if the DD expansion were a CD expansion?

perhaps the game boots off the cart's rom, the cart also containing the engine and game logic, while the CD simply contains assets? perhaps the cart could have additional ram?

[weary beacon]

If only at that time the console could have had an internal NAND for caching assets read from CDROM 🙂

[dusty tusk]

Fast cartridge speed is likely why N64 games were often more open feeling. PS1 level design was often more corridor and boxy

At least until Spyro brought LOD into the fray

[quasi storm]

I agree. A lot of PS1 games felt like their maps were grid based.

And if they weren't, they were usually rather small.

[heavy geyser]

is the paper mario rainbow effect of the floor reproduced in the core?

[quasi storm]

No one knows. Paper Mario does not work in the core due to missing TLB.

Unless a patch was found?

[daring meteor]

I tried to make a patch but it didn't work for me

[quasi storm]

Just making sure I'm not talking out of my butt

[daring meteor]

Paper Mario (And Mario 64 technically) are the most likely games to get patches

[weary palm]

And Perfect Dark

[tender pine]

Can anybody else remind me who it was working on the N64 core - or PSX - before @wanton sun came in and started his own from scratch?

[daring meteor]

Perfect dark has a patch

[remote hatch]

laxer3a was also working on psx core

[tender pine]

That the one that was scrapped so @wanton sun could start a fresh?

I have strong memories of it only I don't remember the previous dev.

The more I think about it the more I think yes it was the PSX core before @wanton sun took over, scrapped the previous work and the rest is history.

[remote hatch]

core from laxer3a has not been completed, https://www.youtube.com/@laxer3a/videos

I also had a chance to test this core

But I think , the N64 channel is not a good place for such things

let's not spam the channel

[tender pine]

That was it. Perfect. This was killing me trying to remember.

I absolutely promise I wasn't and don't ever spam. I genuinely began believing it was the N64 core.

Anyway, again, sorry for sidetracking things.

[weary palm]

Yes, so it's 100% likely

Mario 64 also has a patch

[daring meteor]

No, as in, a proper patch lol

Perfect dark has a proper patch

Mario 64% has an improper patch, but nobody really cares, that's why parenthesis

[compact lark]

I feel like the full potential for N64 wasn't really explored. There aren't many 2d games for example.

[hollow rune]

And the ones that exist are really pretty

[mortal panther]

It's okay. Looking over the last several hours in this channel, you weren't even remotely the worst offender. 😉

[zinc dew]

stop spamming

[deft tree]

got'em

[zinc dew]

lolol

[weary palm]

How is it improper?

[daring meteor]

It removes the face as opposed to patching it to not use TLB

[weary palm]

I had no idea people actually missed it. 😄

[zinc dew]

If you think about it, all patches are improper

[mild ether]

Dirty improper patchers ruin everything.

[thorn flax]

Capcom just said the same thing

[neat sierra]

It removes Marios pants

[thorn flax]

they have a stance that all pc mods are cheating and should be made illegal

[zinc dew]

Is that the patch you use in your dreams?

[neat sierra]

No sir I am very proper

I use the patch that puts him in many layers of Victorian clothing

[zinc dew]

For competitive play, I agree it should be banned. For personal use? Who gives a shit lmao

[neat sierra]

I don’t want to see so much as a scandalous ankle

[native mesa]

punishable by death

There probably is still benefit to removing TLB in goldeneye even if we get TLB eventually right?

Get that fast GE MP

[thorn flax]

well, they do. "brand damage" "affects customer support"

sounds like they're still looking at pc like every other early 00's Japanese business.

[zinc dew]

ohhhhhh

[thorn flax]

here ya ho

[zinc dew]

Yeah, that’s a legitimate concern

[thorn flax]

https://twitter.com/YOG3NSHA/status/1718824868244771281?t=f4LLkFzfVTb8NbBsYZSrFQ&s=19

[native mesa]

Remember hot coffee mod and the uproar?