Nintendo 64

[rose elbow]

i 100% had that dream about the SNES :'(

specifically the PAL SNES not the american SNES !

[chilly ember]

First time I played melee was on a store kiosk with with one of those crt's way too high

[brisk edge]

I don't think I ever played a demo, I was just such a big fan of the 64 entry when I heard a new one was coming out I was so hyped for it

[brisk edge]

I just saw this image the other day lol

Definitely takes me back lol

Look at that beautiful pokemon snap and conker sitting there sealed

[chilly ember]

The lavender town syndrome 😱

https://youtu.be/-sOadAaGiq4?si=8eMN9Z87HlS7zCQB

17 days until Halloween

[slate sundial]

RE2 on a MiSTer N64 core this month of Halloween...
All I can say is thank you

[runic cliff]

Hello all, i have a problem with mys NSO N64 gamepad (i use it via USB), in game I don't have the up and down directions... No problem at all in the menus and when i must configure it in the N64 core but in game, i never had te up and down working... The gamepas works very well on my Switch (wireless) or on my PC via USB... All is up to date, i have installed the NSO driver and unstable version of Mister. I don't understand. Any Idea? Thanks!

[weary palm]

I like to bash on people that finds Mario 64 creepy on YouTube. It's silly. Is Bubsy 3D scary too?

I take it personal, like they're trying to take my happy childhood memories away from me.

Every copy is personalized. Wario apparition. STFU.

Wet Dry World is sooo terrifying, right?

[wanton sun]

configure in menu core (before going into n64 core) first, then in core map the buttons for the core. be aware that up/down/left/right in the core is dpad, not stick

[cyan pagoda]

Damn the progress is crazy. I finally managed to try the latest core version, the only issue I’ve seen was the back of the car in RR64 and glitches on video intro in Pokémon Puzzle and offset CRT output in Banjo. This is unbelievable it’s like magic

But then it’s Robert. It’s magic every day with him around

[vapid hawk]

quake64 is really hard lol

i'm so used to being able to do magnificent bullshit with the grenade launcher with a mouse that i'm useless on a pad

[hollow rune]

I know you might be asleep, but @fair stump how long did NBA in the Zone 98 take for you to freeze up?

It is a pretty game

[weary beacon]

OoT is so good now, when the borders transparency bug will be corrected it will be perfect!

[hollow rune]

is this what you see in when walking through the entrance to Kokiri forest?

[vapid hawk]

yeah

[hollow rune]

yeah, that really is the last frontier on OoT

gotta fix Ganondorf's face when he grabs the Triforce

which i imagine is the same thing

[weary beacon]

Should be

[hearty oar]

You shouldn’t need to configure the thumb stick in core. Are you conflating it with the dpad configuration?

[solemn marlin]

It works so good, I understand it's a bit more esoteric setting but for those who want it, it's the best setting

[runic cliff]

@wanton sun Thanks i'll try asap.

[solemn marlin]

Is it literally the ge/pd dual stick setting or any other games benefit?

[hearty oar]

you can user it in pod racer as well

[vapid hawk]

how should i actually use this ? i can't figure it out lol

like in perfect dark for example i only ever seem to have a look-stick no matter what i do, so i can't move

i can swap it from left to right stick with the new osd option but thats all

[daring meteor]

You need to set up 2 controllers

As in

Get the OSD option for 2 plugged controllers

[daring meteor]

Robert did say it's fine if it's simple, so we settled on R being mapped to Z and no new mapping - I can get a new build with this change if anyone wants

[vapid hawk]

yep thanks sorry hadn't spotted that

this is so cool!

yeah its a tiny bit confusing, but full dual analog perfect dark! it feels so good

oh and when you set pads to 1, since it still swaps sticks, this works to let you c-buttons on left stick i think?

[daring meteor]

An obscure option but very useful

This does not

It maps right stick

[vapid hawk]

you sure?

let me just double check

[daring meteor]

You can possibly remap c buttons to left stick

If you turn it on than do a button remap

[solemn marlin]

Not sure what you mean. R as in the shoulder button you hold for a crosshair to appear? I noticed that was gone

Oh nvm

Yea that's the best z button

[vapid hawk]

yeah exactly, this works pretty good (control scheme 1.2 in PD)

[daring meteor]

As in, the core will not ask you to map P2 buttons, but Instead just use R

[vapid hawk]

wouldn't R2 be better?

[wanton sun]

there is no R2 on N64

[daring meteor]

By the way Robert, do I send the N64.sv with the mod

[wanton sun]

i looked at one from tonight

that's where i spotted the button mappings, i didn't really try the core, sorry

[vapid hawk]

its incredible for shooters, which n64 has so many of!

[daring meteor]

As in the one with R mapped to Z

[vapid hawk]

when gamepads is set to 1 and this mode is on, could you make it so the left stick always becomes the c-buttons

[daring meteor]

That's a bit harder with the way I did it, unfourtenatly

Maybe main is smart enough to not send stick inputs when it sends analog Input, but I doubt it

[vapid hawk]

i think it already is? if you manually map C buttons to left stick then it will work

[daring meteor]

As in

If you do an alternate map

Of C buttons to left stick, will they not get triggered

[vapid hawk]

i didn't use alternate map just regular

[kind solar]

noticing the nso controller sometimes gets really laggy. i can't leap in mario 64 or it feels weird and difficult. rebooting the core didn't help nor did turning the controller off and on. but repairing the controller did

usually it feels good but it sometimes does this. haven't noticed in other games

[daring meteor]

Here's the updated mod, it should work for 2p (But with controller 3 instead of 2, if anyone knows an easy way to solve this, appriciated)

[wanton sun]

the game should not make any difference @kind solar

[kind solar]

yeah i just haven't noticed it in other games, i don't think it's the game itself

[native mesa]

Good morning and afternoon

[hollow rune]

An afternoon o ftesting n64 games while downloading Saturn ones

[native mesa]

Try powerslave!

[tropic sand]

Dark Rift (pal) using yesterday's build... a) no longer crashes b) graphic issue (black line) now gone 😍

[hollow rune]

same with USA. found that yesterday

[compact depot]

Automobili Lamborghini has improved a bit on the last build but it still suffers with red layers

[lime moss]

Not sure what I'm doing wrong, but I can't get past the title screen in Resident Evil 2 (Rev 1, USA) and it seems like many people are able to play with the lastest core update. I'm using the latest unstable version of the MiSTer, setting the RAM size to 4Mbyte, and keeping all other options at their default settings. Any ideas on what might be causing the problem?

[weary palm]

Maybe you only have 32MB SRAM

[kind solar]

@wanton sun would an option to swap Z with L be possible to accompany the analog > dpad swap as games will still expect you to use z while using the swapped analog > dpad?

perhaps it could just swap them as a default if you swap the dpad and analog

[modest helm]

Great idea

[weary palm]

What's the purpose of swapping joystick and dpad?

[hearty oar]

you want to use an arcade stick easily, or other controller that doesn't have an analog stick

almost all n64 games don't support the dpad at all

[vapid hawk]

or you'd just rather play kirby with dpad or something

[hearty oar]

although I do feel like a lot of these core-specific options are bandaid patches around MiSTer's lack of flexibility with controller mapping in general

[kind solar]

A toggle to swap z and l that’s greyed out until you swap the analog and dpad and is set to on by default would be ideal I think. If it’s not too much trouble 👀

[hearty oar]

stuff like "swap Z and L" - we really just need persistent per game mappings

[solemn marlin]

Pd is so good with dual sticks, also no crash in three missions, the dual stuff was added to the latest build right?

[modest helm]

The N64 controller is particularly weird and the Z trigger functions like a left trigger and R functions as the right trigger. It works out in 95% of games. The main use cases for swapping these would be the Rare first person shooters where you have to shoot with an L trigger. It just feels weird.

[daring meteor]

And technically for those you would want to use 1c2p

[solemn marlin]

Would it be sensible to just have an setting named dual sticks and then having an option to switch between games? Like, off/pd/ge/quake, whatever

Don't want to heap work on you kasher, just thinking of what would make sense if it was allowed into the official build

[native mesa]

Kasher how can I try your build? Is perfect dark the best tester?

[modest helm]

It's no big deal, but it would be a nice QoL feature to have swappable Z and R. I'd only use it for FPS games mainly

[solemn marlin]

That's the build I use, yea I think some star wars game also could use it but not sure

PD is your best bet, just remember to activate the second controller

[wanton sun]

just do a second/alternative mapping with the buttons swapped? as long as you don't play games that need Z and L, it should work?

[fair stump]

I believe it was the middle of the 3rd quarter. I haven't retested since then

[kind solar]

Yea that’s what I did but it just seems like every game you swap the analog for the dpad is probably gonna need this also

[tropic sand]

One to bookmark for later...
This romhack looks fab.

After patching. ...Used the noface patcher to start the game ...

but as soon as it goes to start it freezes... Maybe needs a database entry... https://romhacking.com/hack/takua-64--bionicle64-

[wanton sun]

i don't understand it, maybe you can help me: if you map it once with alternative/second mapping for Z/L, it should be available in all games?

[daring meteor]

Robert did say the last one looks okay

Quake doesn't use dual sticksI don't think

And PD/GE use same controls anyway

[daring meteor]

PD yeah, Robotron also works but it doesn't have text so kinda iffy

[pure ocean]

This is interesting. The lights should go in circles and not crazy. Some kind of calculation error? Blues Brothers 2000, PAL @wanton sun

[kind solar]

Yes it would be. I mean if you use the dpad analog swap option in the core pretty much every game is going to need the z and l swapped to go along with that change so they may as well both be swapped together. It’s not important just occurred to me as a quality of life thing. First world problems etc.

[weary palm]

The right one works at it should

[solemn marlin]

I know twine can have c buttons mapped to the left stick but that's not gonna happen because it's too far from what the original allowed/ruins the analog? Assumed maybe quake has something similar

[daring meteor]

For twine you can use controller style 8

[solemn marlin]

Oh

[cerulean elk]

theres 8 diff options? damn

[daring meteor]

Yeah

[weary palm]

Same as PD

[daring meteor]

Different control schemes, no 2c1p

[weary palm]

Also eight

[daring meteor]

1 - Move on analog, Strafe on C
2 - Move on Analog, strafe on D pad
3 - Move and strafe on C, look on analog
4 - Move and strafe on Dpad, look on analog
Than duplicates of those where A is replaced with the right button on the other "Pad"

For quake, you can rebind controls so its no biggie there either

[weary palm]

Isn't move (from side to side) same thing as strafing

[daring meteor]

Yes, but "move" in game means something else

[weary palm]

Ok, weird

[daring meteor]

I think turning

[solemn marlin]

Yea it works perfectly, had no idea

[daring meteor]

Inb4 someone makes a list of all the N64 FPSs just to tell how to get controls set right

[solemn marlin]

I mean you could technically speaking create a profile for each game in that .sv file right?

[daring meteor]

I think nearly all of them support D Pad movement

sv file?

[solemn marlin]

N64.sv

[daring meteor]

I don't think it supports per game configs?

But most don't need it seemingly

[fair stump]

I saw you updated the sheet but I also played a cpu vs cpu game and had no issues now

[solemn marlin]

No I'm fine with ge, pd and twine tbh, guess there's turok, quake and duke, not sure what else

[daring meteor]

Quake has rebinddable controls

On Duke I think its called Left Handed mode

[solemn marlin]

Not gonna trash how mister handles input but for something like this it's just really useful with game specific remaps

Might be a real edge case but it really improves the enjoyment

Funny how critics trashed alien resurrection for this stuff

[daring meteor]

With the flexibility of each game, honestly, not really, unless you really care about moving with the joystick and not dpad

[solemn marlin]

I just dislike going back after modern shooter controls to only using one stick, might ruin the integrity of the original game a bit but it's just so smooth

Mouse+keyboard feels even better when you set it up but that really destroys every design decision in old console fps

[fair stump]

Back then I just learned to play any random control scheme. Halo 1 I'd flip between inverted and normal and didn't even care about button layout

But some of us are just chad gamers like that

[solemn marlin]

Please don't rename the dual stick option to virgin gamer controls 😔

[native mesa]

Has anyone tried Kaze Only Up?

Or does it have mario face

[cold pollen]

Is that what TLB is called now lol

[native mesa]

That or Goddard

[solemn marlin]

I tried but I think the improved framerate screws it over

[native mesa]

I'm having a halloween party and was thinking it would be a fun thing to have running in on of the rooms people can try

[solemn marlin]

It doesn't have mario face or intro, it just drops you into the game, I think the higher framerate screws up the screen as well as making the camera behave nonsensically, that sounds like a great idea

Perfect to pick up for a minute and then fall down, might have to do it on emulator or og console tho

[native mesa]

I'll try it out. Who knows where the core will be by then. anything can happen in 2 weeks

[cold pollen]

Academically I like this better but humorously I like the other lol

[solemn marlin]

Yea I tried a build or two ago, it might even work now

[daring meteor]

When will Robert implement Goddard

[weary palm]

https://github.com/yxkalle/MarioDefacer/releases

[native mesa]

OK yeah interesting frame nonsense

[cold pollen]

That's trippy

[mortal panther]

How can I make mine do that?! 🤣

[cold pollen]

Shrooms

[woeful grove]

the aliens are scanning mario

[safe robin]

Mario Kart 64 2 or more player doesnt work for me with newest build. i tried the sega megadrive core to compare and there i can play 2 players

also 1 or 2 days ago i played 2 player mario kart 64

i will check if other games work

[warped cobalt]

I think you have to go to the menu and enable both controllers.

[safe robin]

they can be disabled now? ill check

[safe robin]

Ah thanks! I thought I broke something 😅

Got friends coming over we will play some 4 player n64 tonight

maybe 4 player should be the standard value in the core, i dont want other people to get a heart attack 😄

[wanton sun]

don't know if OSD options can have a default value other than 0. Would be a strange logic if the OSD select 0 would mean 3 (padcount - 1)

[zenith orchid]

sweet! new build!

thanks Robert!

[wanton sun]

mostly Divot artifacts (coverage bugs of the RDP in reality) fixed today

[vapid hawk]

"Shooter mode" would be a good name for the dualstick stuff

[weary palm]

I see,. The frames, right?

[wanton sun]

yes, when some polygon with a border was below a copied sprite, the sprite would receive AA and Divot 🙂

[cerulean elk]

lol well this isnt gonna work with YT compression lol

@languid dune I swear you are getting spoiled lately. Looking at MORE F Zero footage in Resolve

[vapid hawk]

i can't even get perfect dark to crash anymore, might be completable

[wanton sun]

i think the table is clear to see, but not very exciting for youtube, haha

[eternal island]

ill have my buddy try to beat it on hard mode again. man was a pro at making it crash

[cerulean elk]

Haha yeah will just get a verbal mention

[vapid hawk]

using slowmo + zoom will help to show stuff on youtube

[mortal panther]

Amazing! Thank you!

[fair stump]

So all the modes of the new tetris can be completed plus vs cpu but they're ain't no way I'm clearing 500,000 lines to complete all the wonders for testing

[solemn marlin]

The VI stuff is so cool, it even makes me appreciate what they were going for. You think you like the edginess more but then you turn it on and it's like pulling a warm blanket over yourself. Has software emulation ever done VI?

[woven olive]

I know you asked me for 1080p footage when I asked what fits your workflow. Haven't checked if you upscale your vids but I know if you upload 1440p+ youtube uses that newer VP9 codec and it seems to handle noise and small details a whole lot better than the old h.264 does.

[native mesa]

More like being pepper sprayed

[cerulean elk]

really anything works

all the footage off N64 comes in at different scales and screen space placements so I hand reframe / scale basically every capture

[solemn marlin]

Hurts so good

[woven olive]

Yeah, game footage is and always has been a special challenge 😂

[quick arch]

First run of Puyo Puyo Sun 64 seems fixed ! Thank you 🙂

[cerulean elk]

Yep. Basically nothing is just ready to use

N64 is usually a 1.07 X/Y axis scale for fit to frame but some games just throw the image up wherever TF they want

[cerulean elk]

what was fixed in Puyo?

[quick arch]

#1096015979055697940 message

[cerulean elk]

perfect. Thanks. Will need to get that into a vid next week

[orchid nimbus]

for some reason this looks really cool

[cerulean elk]

I love / mention how fun it is to see the polygonal mesh through the red squares in tomorrow's video

little view portal into how t he game world is made up of triangles

[orchid nimbus]

polygons

[fair stump]

It was probably a bunch of versions ago it was fixed but it's nice to not see polygon lines in the sky in winback

"Polygon lines in the sky in winback" was the original name for Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds but they felt like it didn't quite sound right

[languid dune]

More than just music. Ganondorf's blood at the end too. It's red in the first release, but was changed to green in later releases.

[weary palm]

Doesn't quite roll off the tongue, glad they changed. 😉

[orchid nimbus]

one of the songs of zelda had an islamic call to prayer in it - that's why it got removed

it wasn't banned

[marble cargo]

Well you see, Ganondorf wasn't dying, he just had a bad lunch and is sick!

[weary palm]

https://youtu.be/XvINn-qsg4o?si=t9x591P8kIzZ-7lo

[languid dune]

Such a rollercoaster of emotions! 🥹

[cerulean elk]

widescreen

[native mesa]

https://youtu.be/VHmN6KDUEXw?si=CQa4jkq9rTUMvqxr

[weary palm]

A few widescreen hacks here https://youtube.com/@gamemasterplc

[quick arch]

For Jet force Gemini, the bottom during the demo is fixed

[orchid nimbus]

rogue squadron too?

[quick arch]

I will check

[weary palm]

https://youtu.be/Dt3qG2y7IO4?si=--5jTuYjnCN1pwmP

[fair stump]

I have figured out one War Gods cheese strat

[quick arch]

Yes it is fixed

[chilly ember]

https://youtu.be/FaZkMmp71WM?si=vZzVIUugOYKlBTyQ

[zealous hull]

FYI, symlinked saves with these types of patches is always a solid idea. Keep your progress between improvement hacks and vanilla.

[weary beacon]

You mean the really easy one I posted a while ago about just throwing them constantly?

[zealous hull]

I do it for all of the "redux" stuff too.

[fair stump]

I didn't see that tip, I'm doing pagan's full screen grab

[orchid nimbus]

is the star on the left supposed to look like that?

[fair stump]

[mortal panther]

Looks a bit derpy...

[orchid nimbus]

from a stream with real hardware

looks 100% the same

https://youtu.be/JRRjrr3BqKY?t=465

I just never notiched 😄

I am having a PSX core testing dejavu where I thought something didn't look right and it always looked like that

[solemn marlin]

The oil spill effect by the beach in diddy kong racing is pretty cool

An apt update for our environmentally conscious times

[mortal panther]

Memory is funny that way.

[native mesa]

Mario warp effect is LoD right? Or some other function?

Do the CRT fixes fix the screen being too low in PD?

[wanton sun]

probably the warp effect is noise dithering in the RDP

i mostly didn't do it yet, because i had nothing to check it

[daring meteor]

A it seems mostly height related so probably

[solemn marlin]

Didn't notice it being too low on my crt

[marble cargo]

Honestly cool we're at the point where games are becoming indistinguishable between the core and real hardware.

[daring meteor]

How many ALM does the build use? I'm building my own version with 2c1p and want to gauge cost @wanton sun

[wanton sun]

you probably cannot judge if you don't have it in a seperate module, as with very build it's +-200 ALM, center being around 33.400 ALM currently

[civic sinew]

new to the n64 fpga scene - i tried searching it on my own but havent really found anything... is there a way to disable left dpad bringing up the mister menu?

[daring meteor]

Alright, does clock speed indicate ALM usage?

[native mesa]

Yep it's fixed

[daring meteor]

It doesn't do that

[civic sinew]

mine does for some reason

ive tried resetting it in the redefine keys options but it doesnt save for some reason?

[daring meteor]

Press on save

[civic sinew]

is there a file i can just delete that resets everything?

[restive raft]

hi sorry if this is a dumb question, my N64 NSO controller (connected via USB) has the C-Down button set to the OSD menu and I have no idea how to change it

[daring meteor]

config/inputs/something.map

[daring meteor]

Probably Remap in mister menu

[civic sinew]

i deleted all the .map files and it still does it

[daring meteor]

Build Ended up at 33530

But 82.4MHz clock

[wanton sun]

that's fine

[weary beacon]

now configure it again, after deleting.. Make sure you reassign the menu button to something else.

[wanton sun]

random build i have at 80-82Mhz typically. When there is some official release i will do 10-20 builds and pick the best, which will likely be >85mhz

[daring meteor]

Official release means like, after you're done with most stuff?

[wanton sun]

but so far, noone reported of unstable cores even with some being 78mhz or so. Which is a great sign

i have no idea when it will be in mister-devel with a build that comes with update-all. It could be next week, next month or next year

[civic sinew]

idk what im doing wrong, it doesnt even register any keys on the controller to reassign

[wanton sun]

do you assign in menu core or n64 core?

[civic sinew]

no idea

[wanton sun]

turn off mister, turn it on again, choose "Define Joystick buttons"

@daring meteor so if you want, create a pull request 🙂

[civic sinew]

that did it. thank you

[noble grove]

@wanton sun Want to say thank you, your work is incredible!

many of the wrestling games for N64 have missing text, is that coming in an update anytime soon, by chance? Not sure whart part of the system is holding that back

[civic sinew]

no idea how it got changed. maybe a default config for the raphnet adapter

[wanton sun]

i didn't check any wrestling game yet. I mean, they start with "w", how am i supposed to get down there? 😛

no, honestly, several games still have text render issues. Very likely some render mode that is not yet supported

[noble grove]

lmao fair point!!

i'm loving the core though, i've been playing a game of star fox almost daily, and started ocarina last night

[daring meteor]

I've just tested PD to see that there's no actual 2p4c mode
Thus we have a couple options -

Map p3 to p1 for pod racing (What buttons are needed?)
Keep as is, just 1p2c

[wanton sun]

i personally have never and will not use any of these modes, so i cannot judge what makes sense. If it's unclear, maybe we should wait for some days with a testbuild until it's clear

e.g. testbuild how it would be in the main build then together with a list of games to test and then problems can be reported and discussed

[daring meteor]

I'm testing ge on an emulator to see how that functions on multiplayer

[toxic pumice]

i'm absolutely amazed at what's playable so far really, been enjoying so much on this recently. 🙂

I figured out my f-zero x loading issue from yesterday as well, I didn't have the n64-database.txt

[broken cradle]

question, how does the n64 core handle zip files?

[toxic pumice]

I'm loading my roms from zip, works without issue

[broken cradle]

i wanna know if i have to unzip all the files first

[toxic pumice]

no need to unzip them

[broken cradle]

ok cool ty

[fair stump]

Second to last boss in War Gods is insanely cheap so I turned off their damage and boosted mine

[toxic pumice]

Did I also see something in here before about weird clone n64 usb controller generally not working right with the core?

[broken cradle]

im using the saffon one and it works with no issues tbh, waiting for porkchop to have more reflex adapts so i can use oem controllers tho

[wanton sun]

my 2 work bad, yes, but there was a report tnoight a different one would be ok

[toxic pumice]

interesting, okay. I've ordered two random ones to be delivered today for the wife and I so I guess i'll give them a try. 🙂

[fair stump]

War Gods complete. Somebody had to do it

[toxic pumice]

there's really is a charm to really old janky midway games tbh

now do mace the dark age

[orchid nimbus]

very playable - looks perfect to me

[cerulean elk]

Haha

[fair stump]

Midway, and netherrealms by extension, really know how to make a fighting game... and then make it blatantly unfair and unfun

[toxic pumice]

lol yep i'll agree completely

[native mesa]

You can take Ed boon out of the arcade but you can't take arcade out of boon

[cerulean elk]

If only this was Second Attack

[orchid nimbus]

Trying Custom @zinc dew now 😄

[wanton sun]

did you complete Hero already? i might want to start after body harvest if it has no issues

[cerulean elk]

I literally have the last world to go. I’ve encountered no issues but I got busy. I can’t imagine it NOT being bearable. I haven’t encountered any freezing

[daring meteor]

Alright, so, from what I gathered:

Robotron uses P1+P2. P2 is always shoot. No buttons really needed.

Goldeneye uses P1+P2 in 1P mode, and P1+P3/P2+P4 in 2P mode. P2 is move in the "ideal" configs

Perfect Dark is same as goldeneye but no multiplayer.

Pod racing uses P1+P3.

[cerulean elk]

I’d have been done sooner @wanton sun but I’ve been getting all the secret exits and maxing out the score on each world to see the best ending

[wanton sun]

sounds like a lot of troub... fun 😅

[chilly ember]

I haven't decided what game to finish next yet

[wanton sun]

i can still remember how annoying it was to get full score in the autoscrolling levels (e.g. submarine)

will only play through normally

[solemn marlin]

B-man 64*

[zinc dew]

How may I help?

[solemn marlin]

Why no multiplayer for pd? It has coop campaign, it can't be done?

[daring meteor]

The multiplayer I tested only allowed to choose the 1.x control schemes

But I think I tested the other multiplayer mode

[uncut gyro]

Am I right that “forum” channels like this one can’t be searched? I wanted to find the verified bug reports from last night and make sure @wanton sun saw them

[native mesa]

You can search

[uncut gyro]

ahhh ok, only 5 clicks hidden when in mobile

[solemn marlin]

That's the drawback of two controllers into one tbh, with c button remap all multiplayer stuff would work, up to 4

[uncut gyro]

#1096015979055697940 message

ugh, it doesn’t inline?

[daring meteor]

Yeah, just rechecked, PD is exactly like goldeneye

So no comes the question

How do we remap

[uncut gyro]

Trying this #1096015979055697940 message

@wanton sun those two links I pasted are a couple of verified bug reports that are probably indicative of another fundamental lower-level issue

[solemn marlin]

That's cool, then both can have two sticks for coop campaign, maybe the biggest innovation of pd

[daring meteor]

Yes, but on flipside, no two sticks in pvp mode

[solemn marlin]

No that'd require c button remaps, I have no idea about this stuff but thought it'd be easier than frankensteining two controllers into one

[toxic pumice]

I feel like I'm out of the loop - are Perfect Dark / Goldeneye playable without TLB support?

[chilly ember]

Just perfect dark

[solemn marlin]

PD is, you can patch it out

[toxic pumice]

ooooooooo

[fair stump]

Bust a move is so frustrating to play

[solemn marlin]

Just shoot the balls at the balls with the same colors duh

[chilly ember]

PD has a bug in one level tho, carington institute where the skedar don't plant the bomb so you can't finish it. It's an issue with the patch tho. Does the same thing on real hardware

[wanton sun]

thank you, i mostly write down such things in my todo list if i see any way to reproduce them, but i don't always have a good answer 🙂

[daring meteor]

Or just use Dpad

[fair stump]

These balls don't go where I want them to go

[compact depot]

Whoa! Does new build fixes Automobili Lamborghini?

[wanton sun]

hahaha...no

[daring meteor]

Anyone suggests what to do?

What buttons does Pod Racer require? Might just copy the controller to both P2 and P3 and be done with it

Think this is the best option

[grizzled phoenix]

it is now fixed in today's build

Todays build fixes the intro for Puyo Puyo Sun 64 (Japan) so I am very happy 😉

[pine apex]

just needs stick a Z button from 3rd.

[wanton sun]

i wonder why this automobili game is so often asked about. Is it a) because it starts with A, b) because of the strange bug or c) because it really is a good game?

[pine apex]

A

[toxic pumice]

i've got quite a soft spot for it because it's probably one of the only semi-playable game Titus have ever made

[daring meteor]

Alright

[zinc dew]

It had some hype for it before launch as it was an arcade racing game with great graphics. Seemingly a rival to the PS1’s Ridge Racer series.

[broken cradle]

how did you get them to be seen on the core? all i can see is the super mario 64 thats not zipped

[viscid gate]

For info, the homebrew Manic Miner port (Rx-mm64) now works in today’s build

[toxic pumice]

Nothing special at all, they just show up as directories for me

[zinc dew]

I think 7zip compression is not read by MiSTer.

Or some other compression type.

Try using Windows’ built in zip compression tool to see if that works.

[broken cradle]

yeah just noticed they are all .7z fml lol

[daring meteor]

Hmmmm

P3 is right engine in pod racer

[pine apex]

yep

[daring meteor]

This is not ideal

Because P1 is aim in the shooters

[pine apex]

one profile is not enouhgt

[zinc dew]

What’s P3? Player 3?

[daring meteor]

Controller 3

[viscid gate]

Also the MAME port (MAME 64 PD Beta 3) is now working

[daring meteor]

We need:

For Podracing, P1+P3, P2+P4 no swap
For Robotron, P1+P2 P3+P4 no swap
For the Shooters, single player - P1+P2 swap
For the multiplayer- P1+P3 swap, P2+P4 swap

And, for some other shooters, just straight 4 controller swaps would be helpful

This is too much

[wanton sun]

sounds like way too much. So back to main handling it if really required

[pine apex]

p2+p4 in pod racer totoo

[thorn flax]

before and after vi divot fix

[solemn marlin]

I'd do it if I knew how, I had a remap for every fps on pc but that didn't require scripting

[daring meteor]

Figured that was the case

If one of the guys here that work on main mister could implement those 5 different controller modes, that would be well

If not, I think best is just to do P1 remap to P2 and P3 with swapping

[pine apex]

I have only one rumble pak test, just p1 does . Swapping between controllers

[daring meteor]

Luckily in all cases we need the Z button

[chrome quest]

Lovely! Was just testing the same

[daring meteor]

P3 is what's interesting, not P1

(Unless P1 R button gets used)

[final walrus]

Automobilinili Lamborgininilinini is basically a 3D Version of Top Gear or Lotus Challenge, that's why people like it

[quaint pewter]

This is awesome. Just been testing a few games that had random hangs before and now they seem to be working great. I completed the first world of Glover with no glitches or any problems whatsoever, and also got to third or fourth level of Quake where before it always froze before the end of the first level.

[pine apex]

P1 R Is for repair

[daring meteor]

How would you even press that when holding 2 controllers

[pine apex]

no idea hahaha

[zinc dew]

I mean can you just connect two or more controllers?

[daring meteor]

Yeah but that's unwieldy

[daring meteor]

For the shooters in particular its a really good way

[daring meteor]

Haha

[chrome quest]

Repost clean.
For completeness, when using 2 controllers for 1 player in Star Wars Racer:
Player 1:
Analog, Start, Z, A, L, R, Cup, Cdown
Player 2:
Analog, Z

[languid dune]

[solemn marlin]

64 peak performance, all those weird control setups seem rather experimental

[languid dune]

Completing War Gods and Brian 64 should be required before the core allows other games to boot.

[zinc dew]

In this a proposing to being able to assign multiple players to one controller?

[daring meteor]

So C right isn't needed - doesn't that do roll?

[daring meteor]

Yes, because some games take advantage of that (Most importantly perfect Dark)
We also (possibly) gain as a bonus the ability to map right stick to analog stick

[chrome quest]

Yes, how indeed do you hit the buttons!
Player 1+2 Z is the same thing, boost
Player 1 odd buttons:
A for menus only (and Start)
C Up to change camera angles
C down to look behind
L to change the map
R to repair
So, you'd generally mess with those for settings and restart after your happy with your view I guess? Cdown to look behind if you can.
The worst is Player 1 R to repair, which you do sort of need!

[pine apex]

both sticks to roll

[chrome quest]

C Left/Right are roll in single controller, but Analog movements together left/right do that in the 2 controller mode

[daring meteor]

Good

That frees us a button

[zinc dew]

But a solution already exists where you can use multiple controllers already, correct?

[toxic pumice]

Welp, just picked up my usb controller and it's absolutely atrocious - What USB N64 controllers come recommended?

(controller issue not core issue)

[daring meteor]

Yes

[chrome quest]

#1096015979055697940 message

Current solution is fantastic. The only way IMO 🤣

[daring meteor]

So, if not doing mister main changes, the changes would be:

"P1 Right stick is P1 stick"
"P1 Left stick is P2 and P3 stick"
"P1 R button is also P2 Z button"
"P1 C-Right button is also P3 Z button"

[zinc dew]

Oh wow

[pine apex]

do you know how to make a soft landing after a jump?

[chrome quest]

No... How is that done in 1 controller?

[pine apex]

pressing down on the stick

[chrome quest]

Would need to try in game....

[zinc dew]

I think software emulators would be a better platform to attempt these complex controller remapping proposals.

I’m trying to see what other benefits being able to assign multiple controllers to 1 could bring and I’m coming up short.

[native mesa]

To avoid this...

[zinc dew]

Also what kind of UX changes would be needed to walk the player through this mapping flow.

[daring meteor]

Under the current method, no mapping is needed

[wanton sun]

really? i mean glover is broken from the very start. The camera will zoom into the ground when you start a new game

[daring meteor]

Just an extra config setting

[zinc dew]

Oh I see

Well that’s much easier to propose

[daring meteor]

Because the shooters don't use the R button, you can reuse it

[chrome quest]

That seems good I think, for accessibility for everthing. I guess P1 left stick might be odd for Robotron. But you can always remap in main. Probably most often case would be the shooters I'd guess. Same for the Pod racer sticks

[solemn marlin]

It works now for perfect dark, it's just a really enjoyable way to play the game, like a modern dual analog shooter

[zinc dew]

Wow!

[lament escarp]

I said it yesterday, I'll say it again, just use joycons for your 1p2c stuff. There are also full stick versions of those.

[quaint pewter]

I loaded my save that was after the tutorial, but the first world all played fine and I beat the first boss which is a fish standing on a crab that's standing on a whale.

[wanton sun]

ok nice, i didn't try far after this obvious camera bug 🙂

[daring meteor]

Yeah, its a little weird for Robotron, would work but you can't remap the P2 stick in it for some reason

[quaint pewter]

a lot of random crashes in games seem to have totally gone, at least in the games I've tried today. I havent played for a couple of days.

[robust trout]

I tried looking for how to set up symlinks on MiSTer and couldn't come up with anything. Do you have a link to a tutorial?

[native mesa]

I can never find mini USB when I need it

[daring meteor]

Also, today I discovered this stick swap thing is not just helpful for 1p2c, but also games that did this

[toxic pumice]

Is the Saffun usb controller the one to go for here, or am I better off getting another one?

[zinc dew]

I use it but it’s not perfect.

[chrome quest]

Remapped main is a fair concession to have this oddity at all I think. Is a cool niche.
I guess just some setting buried in the OSD options? I suggest in the spirit of the mode, you need a secret code to enable the feature (not really but still )

[lament escarp]

I'm using the 8bitdo modkit with the hall stick. It's fine but rumble is still a bit problematic.

[toxic pumice]

Interesting stuff, I'll consider that depending on how much it all costs, especially to get a decent original n64 controller nowadays

[zinc dew]

The drawbacks of the Saffun are:

• lack of true octagonal gating for the analog stick
• shoulder pads are on a tight hinge so can’t depress on the inner button area

[toxic pumice]

Can't be worse than the one I just received (and am promptly sending back) where the maximum saturation is at about 25% of travel. 💀

[remote harness]

What stopping Bangia-O from freezing after completing the first level? Tried various settings with no joy ☹️🐼

[lament escarp]

Doesn't need to be decent. I got a manky n64 controller from Ebay for 15 bucks. Just disassemble it and give it a soapy bath.

[zinc dew]

The Saffun has replaced my NSO N64 controller for use on the MiSTer core. I love the NSO N64 but it requires a resync every time I want to use it and the input latency isn’t great.

[wanton sun]

is that because of the bluetooth dongle? because my NSO pads connect every time

[lament escarp]

I've been hoping the driver would get fixed at some point, as the 8bitdo kit has the same issue when using switch mode for rumble. Don't you know some smart people who could take a crack at it?

[broken cradle]

i can say saffun wireless works good for me too but i have no alternative to compare it to

[fair stump]

Would you mind checking if there's still a freeze getting into a race of micro machines?

[lament escarp]

Do you know which dongle exactly you are using?

[broken cradle]

i still dont know how to get rumble to work on the saffun tho

[zinc dew]

Yeah, it’s due to that. I use a WiFi / Bluetooth combo adapter. Thanks for the reminder.

[toxic pumice]

Gotta import the Saffun one, none in the UK. balls

[zinc dew]

Hard to say since it’s specific to a type of Bluetooth adapter and not a universal issue.

[woven olive]

Hold Start + B button to put controller into D-Input mode. Go through setup again in mister main, then remap in core. Rumble will work

[broken cradle]

that mode would be the 2 red lights right?

[zinc dew]

Two lights should show up to indicate you’re in Xinput

[woven olive]

yes

well... whichever mode is start + B is the one rumble works with lol

[broken cradle]

so 2 lights then setup in mister main and then back on core

[woven olive]

i get xinput and dinput confused

[inner garden]

what is the be all end all ultimate mister compatible n64 controller?

[broken cradle]

ill check it out in a few, for now im still messing with the sd card on my pc

[broken cradle]

oem!

[lament escarp]

I did some tests with @hearty oar who concluded it's a driver thing, I also tested 2 different bt dongles, which are not wifi. If anybody got a n64 modkit with any dongle working in switch mode without pairing it every time I'd be extremely interested.

[zinc dew]

Probably the NSO N64 one if you’re looking for wireless.

[zinc dew]

Ohhh good to hear.

[broken cradle]

brawler64 no bueno?

[lament escarp]

That's not good to hear it doesn't work!!!

[inner garden]

how can I use original?

[broken cradle]

snac/snax/reflex-adapt

[zinc dew]

haha sorry, I meant that it was good to hear it was driver specific

[woven olive]

I think it depends what games you play. Lots of people like the Brawler. I mostly play those AKI wrestling games which is one of the weird ones where the main input is the d-pad and not the analog stick. Mischief Makers is the same.

[zinc dew]

It’s fine. I have one but the stick range was pretty off from what the preferred values should be. I guess the driver updates would fix that? I haven’t checked.

[lament escarp]

The unstable main fixes that.

[robust trout]

I finished my OEM/OG refurbishing and Honda-sauce (Shin-Etsu) lubing yesterday and took some measurements afterward. Are these good ranges, fam?

Measurements on MiSTer Input Tester

(L R U D)

Gray
2023.10.14
78 80 81 85

Blue
2023.10.14
80 72 88 76

Green
2023.10.14
79 80 81 86

Yellow
2023.10.14
78 80 86 84

[broken cradle]

like i said earlier i only own 1 saffun and nothing else so i was more curious than anything else

[woven olive]

Smash players love the brawler

[inner garden]

SNAC adapter work USB shape connector exists?

[solemn marlin]

[robust trout]

Apt name

[latent galleon]

@robust trout you should check out the mimi test rom but those look close to my fresh one

[zinc dew]

I also own the Tribute 64 and that’s fine too.

[robust trout]

OK, what is the mimi?

[broken cradle]

wait as in, the aki games use the stick instead of the dpad? cus all the wrestling games i played back in the day and recently in the core its dpad and then stick to taunt and do special

[latent galleon]

i edited 🙂

[robust trout]

Oh, the octo-gate ROM

[latent galleon]

it just hits your diagonals too, plus realtime feedback

but beat up controllers are so much worse than your numbers

[toxic pumice]

I was just looking at this one, available in the UK for me. Build quality is alright?

[broken cradle]

snac adapter uses a hdmi looking port thats a console female to hdmi male cable

[woven olive]

Yeah, the Brawler you have to reach for the dpad as the analog stick is on the far left side. Making the wrestling games uncomfortable to play

[latent galleon]

like that is an old worn controller

[wanton sun]

Aukru USB Nano Bluetooth Adapter V5.1 on Amazon

[broken cradle]

interesting didnt know there were wrestling games that used the stick as the movement control

[woven olive]

No i think you are misunderstanding me

[weary beacon]

I have the best, Dongle of them all.

[pure ocean]

I reported this because there are various errors in each frame and you said that analysing frames takes a lot of time. You can analyse a lot with few frames 😉 So I thought it might be interesting.
And Blues Brothers, because the turning of the lights seems to be a calculation error. It's good that it shows up there, who knows what other effects it has elsewhere. I always think about the technology behind it, I enjoy that too, like your FPGA for fun 😉

[zinc dew]

Yeah, feels good. Was my preferred wireless controller for the N64 until the NSO one came out. It’s actually a superior redesign of the Hori pad mini.

[latent galleon]

i just converted my n64 controller to 8bitdo bluetooth and realized i have no idea how to pair bluetooth on mister...can i use the script?

[wanton sun]

yes, from that perspective it is a good pick to research, should be easy to find 🙂

[zinc dew]

Do you have those three buttons on top? If so push and hold the middle one in the main menu and the Bluetooth pairing screen should come up.

[toxic pumice]

Nice! Just bought one. Let's see how this goes. 🙂

[wanton sun]

usually just F11 on keyboard if you have one connected

[latent galleon]

also with these 8bitdo in stock i'm not sure i'd go with NSO but i guess we'll see

@wanton sun i do not! but i will use the button

thanks

[zinc dew]

Yeah true, that’s a good alternative.

[broken cradle]

if i didnt have to 1)have a nso sub 2)stalk the website for stock , id get the nso n64 because i hear it does feel very much like the oem

[weary palm]

They are good, especially the yellow one.

[zinc dew]

If you already own an N64 controller it might also be the cheapest option.

[prisma ivy]

Its like the Virtual Boy controller had sex with an N64 controller

[latent galleon]

wow they put select and star buttons on the rumble pack

yeah it's $30 i think without hall joystick

[broken cradle]

i was gonna say if you own oem then the 8bitdo option seems nice especially for the hall effect analog stick

[lament escarp]

Only aukru I can find is 4.0

[latent galleon]

what the heck is zr

[broken cradle]

i think my cheapest option will be buying the reflex and some oem controllers and then let the 3rd person use the saffun like how you always gave the 3rd party controller to the guest

[zinc dew]

Switch second shoulder button

[broken cradle]

z right nintendo switch button

they dont use L1 L2 R1 R2 naming conventions

its L ZL R ZR

[wanton sun]

yes, it's the same. amazon has a different text in german 🙂

[robust trout]

I would think the BT adapters offered by MiSTerAddons would be very performant

[latent galleon]

ah, there is a tiny zr button on the rumble pak for the 8bitdo conversion

[broken cradle]

thats for use with switch online

[uncut gyro]

Yea, I know going through scroll back when you come back online is troublesome, so I was trying to keep track for you a bit to help good bugs get through the noise 🙂

[chrome quest]

Just to add, Raphnet is great for 2 controllers in one USB, Rumble Pak compatible.
But likely SNAC(X?) whichever one, would be safer if hoping for Transfer Pak function I guess

[uncut gyro]

Is MK64 Amped known to not work? Or do I have a local problem to troubleshoot?

[zinc dew]

People have reported it working.

[broken cradle]

also porkchop is working on a 4player snax adapter

[wanton sun]

mk64 amped seems to work for some, but i only get it to work if i use the wrong memory type

[zinc dew]

I need to redo my amped patch because it immediately errors for me at launch

[broken cradle]

i want to give raphnet another shot but the one adapter i bought broke on me and i just never bothered rma'ing it etc it was the snes mini controller adapter

[lament escarp]

It's german Amazon but set to english 👍 I guess I'll get another dongle for science.

[weary palm]

Is it 16kbit eeprom?

[wanton sun]

it should be 16kbit eeprom, but for me only works if i set e.g. 4kbit

obviously i cannot save then

[weary palm]

Strange. Anyone else?

[uncut gyro]

ah, Mia Hamm Soccer is working pretty well now! My daughter will be thrilled, she loved playing it on GBC (Analogue Pocket)

[desert nest]

# cat ./N64-database_user.txt  | grep -i amped
5e417f79876b8acc73f93f80e4942435 ntsc|cic6102|eeprom2k # Mario Kart 64 Amped Up (Hack) (Litronom)

This is what I have set, and it works for me (my game saves and loads up just fine from what I can tell).

[solemn marlin]

There were two amped up patches, one didn't work at all and one worked perfectly

[lament escarp]

I can't even. It's literally the same product from the same shop, just different languages.

[languid dune]

That seems to be the issue with NSO controllers. Every time someone has mentioned needing to resync their NSO controllers all the time, it turns out they're using a WiFi/Bluetooth combo adapter. My standalone bluetooth adapter works great for the NSO controllers.

[daring meteor]

For Pod Racing fans (And It still works with Perfect dark)

[wanton sun]

i get this, maybe i have the wrong version

[native mesa]

I'd like a PD and Goldeneye mod where strafing isn't faster than normal running

[uncut gyro]

errr, actually, Mia Hamm controls seem borked. I’m using DualShock3 and redefined the controls even. Works fine in most other games

[latent galleon]

@lament escarp i have two zexmtel or whatevers that look the same but one is bt5 the other is bt4

[uncut gyro]

That’s what I get as well, but the text is corrupt

[wanton sun]

divot...

[desert nest]

IIRC I was having the same issue with 2.96 and had to get 2.96A -- it worked after that.

[uncut gyro]

WTF. I just loaded MK64 Amped again after testing Mia Hamm, and now I don’t get that crash screen. I see the intro and then a white screen

[daring meteor]

The code for this build is on github

[languid dune]

Out of curiosity, it is possible to add core specific options to an alternate MiSTer.ini file? My default is the 4:3 1440p resolution, but I have an alternate ini file where I have the resolution set to 1080p that I only use when I want to play a widescreen game. But I still have to manually set the aspect ratio in the core's menu since that is not something usually included in ini settings.

[daring meteor]

Will PR it if there's no one wanting to implement something better in main

[solemn marlin]

Biggest fan of your work right here, gonna try it right away

[lament escarp]

I put it in my online basket, 4.0, changed language (not country) and then it said 5.1 in my basket. It's the very same sku.

[wanton sun]

thanks, that was the reason. 2.96A works fine with eeprom16 🙂

[solemn marlin]

I had the same issue, try the other patch, 2.96A

[uncut gyro]

If I set eeprom16, then I get this:

[quaint pewter]

Hi, I just went and played the easy set of challenge courses and it worked fine. A bit of graphics glitching before races but no crashes.

[thick terrace]

What needs to be done to make the "red" games work? (automobili, doom, Barbie Cars (Roadster's trophy), etc?

They look horrible

[past mango]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCLkRUMYMAk This bug appears to be fixed now 👍

[uncut gyro]

I’ll try the latest amped patch. @wanton sun would another error code be useful for whatever causes the hang?

[fair stump]

Nice! Thanks for checking, so that's actually playable now 👍

[inner garden]

I have the USB kind

[quaint pewter]

I unlocked a couple of extra cars in the challege races and managed to save to controller pack after completing the easy challenges. so it's working as far as that goes 🙂

[marble cargo]

I have to manually set it to the 16kbit eeprom settings every time I boot it up, otherwise it crashes as soon as I press start.

This is for the alternative "A" patch.

[hasty kayak]

Todays build seems to have fixed some of the Graphical issues with ISS 98

[toxic pumice]

Blast Corps has really weird behaviour when the analog sticks are moved in all the way while walking, is this a config problem on my end?

character will start walking backwards?

[languid dune]

What controller are you using?

[toxic pumice]

I'm using a Dualshock 4 at the moment

[languid dune]

Do you have the latest Linux kernel unstable build? I thought that made sure analog sticks were properly read by the N64 core.

[toxic pumice]

In-vehicle controls are perfectly fine for what it's worth, and all other games i've tried have been perfect, it's literally just in blast corps and only while out of vehicle (or using something like j-bomb)

[languid dune]

Maybe I'm wrong.

[toxic pumice]

That could very well be it, i'm on V230915

bear with

That is exactly what it was - Thank you.

[languid dune]

Nice! Had a feeling that was it! 👍

Now get back to running your vehicles into the nuke truck and causing a nuclear winter!

[toxic pumice]

Heheh. the nostalgia is unreal, I played the shit out of this as a kid

[languid dune]

Same, though in my teenage years.

[solemn marlin]

Wasn't that control mode an unlockable for podracer?

[languid dune]

100%'d the game back in the day.

[daring meteor]

Secret code

[solemn marlin]

Lol that's an absurd control mode

[toxic pumice]

i'm still absolutely godsmacked at how good this core is already, literally all it needs is gauntlet legends working and i'm in heaven

[lament escarp]

It's just joycons when you think about it.

[daring meteor]

Joycons, now without joycons

[solemn marlin]

I'm going backwards crashing into people, I guess this is what podracing really is..

[lament escarp]

Yeah I was daring to hope to play zelda on Christmas half a year ago. It's already pretty much perfect. So crazy.

[daring meteor]

To be fair, left stick controls right engine haha

[lament escarp]

Just turn around, then it's correct.

[solemn marlin]

It kind of makes sense but it becomes too much like real podracing, I'm dying out there

[toxic pumice]

whoever designed the backlash in this game is a masochist

[empty cliff]

I just downloaded the windows "download everything for windows" thing

and I don't have any fat folder

is there some other files I'm goingi to need for mister. is this just cores here and I need the os itself too?

[solemn marlin]

Lol the engine starts burning then you have compensate by slamming the other stick, this is too real for me

[chrome quest]

Was just testing the new test core too. Works great @daring meteor
PD just fine, and in Pod Racer, you can actually reach all the buttons!

[solemn marlin]

It definitely feels cooler, hard turns by putting one stick forward and the other back, it's much more involved

[uncut gyro]

This is what I was missing as well. For ppl searching later, Mario Kart 64 Amped requires a MINIMUM of 2.96A. The A patch for 2.96 is a few tweets down in the release thread.

[daring meteor]

Finally, we fixed the funny pod racer mode

[uncut gyro]

Can I get write access to the testing sheet? Mia Hamm USA needs updating

[gritty river]

mischief makers playable huh

awesome job

[latent galleon]

@lament escarp have you used the n64 mod in D mode? seems broken here on mister

[native mesa]

Yeah you blink around here and things can change

[gritty river]

its pretty impressive

[latent galleon]

and what about you @native mesa

[gritty river]

still gotta dig into the core code

[native mesa]

??

[latent galleon]

have you tried your n64 mod in D and S mode yet?

[fair stump]

I believe that folder you're in is the /media/fat folder

[native mesa]

Oh yeah been using it all morning. Someone says rumble works but idk

[empty cliff]

okay cool

[latent galleon]

mine seems pretty broken in direct input mode

like two of the c buttons won't map

[empty cliff]

I have no downloader.ini in there atm

[native mesa]

I have it on switch mode because that's supposedly the only mode rumble works

[latent galleon]

won't matter if latency is the same, but it also shouldn't be happening

also i trust the switch mode less on mister, ironically

[native mesa]

I can try dinput

[honest ermine]

Is there a usb adapter for n64 controllers that’ll rumble through a rumble pack? Or will that need snac?

[lament escarp]

Yes I have. Works fine. What exactly isn't working for you?

[latent galleon]

c buttons won't map on define joystick top level

well, a couple won't

[lament escarp]

You have to map the c buttons as stick 2 in main

Then you can map them in the core.

[latent galleon]

thanks

although why

[lament escarp]

When I had it connected to the pc the c buttons didn't show as buttons but as a stick or gyro or something. I guess you have to map it as stick2 so it knows there are 2 ends to each axis.

[latent galleon]

it's funny it doesn't do that in switch mode, i just set it up like an snes controller or something

diamond pattern

and core still found all the C buttons?

[lament escarp]

Yeah in s mode they are buttons. You also get rumble with the unstable linux kernel.

[latent galleon]

anyway it feels super polished otherwise, just typical 8bitdo weirdness

[native mesa]

Alright I tried D-input

[lament escarp]

But you have to pair it each time you connect it, something bout the driver being a bitch.

[native mesa]

I couldn't map anything in mister main

[chrome quest]

Forgot to note earlier, but also loving the CRT adjustments.
RGB on the core for PAL games, nice and centred!

[latent galleon]

this is why i don't use bluetooth...but i will make an exception in this case

[lament escarp]

Did you pair it? Its a different controller in dinput.

[native mesa]

yeah

I was able to get to the map controller menu with it

just couldn't rebind buttons

[lament escarp]

Never had that happen

[latent galleon]

now the real question is does anybody want me to check latency or should it remain a wonderful mystery...i am leaning toards mystery

[native mesa]

well.. it's not as performant as raphnet with OEM controller

but it's 'good'

[lament escarp]

Latency is not gonna be great, as with most bt controllers/any 8bitdo controllers.

[latent galleon]

well if raphnet is bitbanging the protocol that is a lot happening behind the scenes

2.4 m30 isn't bad

also i think raphnet is pretty conservative with polling because some controllers have problems

[lament escarp]

Speaking of controllers, I really hope my pc engine/ps1 controller arrives in time before halloween for a rondo/symphony combo.

[latent galleon]

and i have to say re: latency, there is "not great" and then there is absolutely terrible, and 8bitdo has been both

anything under 10ms i don't really care

[chrome quest]

All the Pod Racer testing, couldn't help but notice how odd the Dither is in that game. No Dedither enabled, and the "dither" looks almost like a pseudo gamma correction. It's just lines down the whole screen.
Verified the "gamma" boost is indeed the same as I see with my composite N64. Can't really see the dither pattern on CRT even when enabled! Guess it is just like a gamma effect... odd

[solemn marlin]

I see it, like vertical lines

[chrome quest]

At first I thought maybe it was to add some kind of "film grain" look. But nah, core or N64 hardware, CRT can't see no lines anyway. I've never noticed that before, perhaps other games do the same thing

[solemn marlin]

I can see it on my crt but it's a pvm with 800 tvls, no it's specific for this game but I haven't played that many

I think devs got wild with vi

Like with star fox finalizing every scene with gamma but some wont even use it

[daring meteor]

@bronze tree is there any special reason the analog stick scale you did in mister main is done only for the left stick?

Because 1p2c uses the right stick

[hearty oar]

I’m pretty sure it’s just because that’s the only stick used by the core at the time it was written

[daring meteor]

That's why I said "Special Reason"

[hearty oar]

Yep, haha, markun and/or lemonici can confirm but I would be very surprised if they thought about it at all, but as far as I can tell there’s zero reason you couldn’t do it for the right stick as well

[thick terrace]

do we need an unstable mister?

[empty cliff]

^ also wonder that, also do you need unstable mister for the saturn chd core?

[fair stump]

You need at least this unstable version for saturn chd #unstable-nightlies message

[daring meteor]

Yes

[shell bone]

Yep

[fair stump]

You can get the most recent unstable as well, it will also have the chd code

[empty cliff]

thankyou very much

[native mesa]

N64 has a couple different dither patterns

[native mesa]

Ope. How bad is it?

[daring meteor]

The non scaling?

[native mesa]

Two differently scaled sticks

[daring meteor]

Not ideal
But unless I'm hearing otherwise tomorrow I'll edit main mister, at least to add that, but maybe I'll add stick swapping

[native mesa]

Stick swapping sounds nice for Turok

[daring meteor]

Which should reduce our cases from 5 (6 if you count normal) to 2(3)

[hearty oar]

you could account for differently scaled sticks as well, you'd just have to track the max cardinals and ranges in an array instead

in fact yeah you should probably do that

[daring meteor]

It's nice for almost any shooter I think

[hearty oar]

just in case

[river shale]

This should be pinned

[empty cliff]

is the n64 games/ folder just called N64?

[orchid nimbus]

it's /games/N64

I assume you keep on switching your SD card back and forth

one of the worst things you can do to be honest

you can SSH and SFTP into your SD card

[viscid gate]

I have a 4.0 Aukru BT dongle from Amazon and it reconnects with my NSO controller fine. Its slightly older than that one pictured I think, as it doesn't have the curved end

[empty cliff]

nah I don't, I just don't have mister yet until tomorrow haha

just organising my roms

[empty cliff]

do you have to patch 64 into 2.96 THEN again into 2.96a?

or just apply patch 2 immediately

[viscid gate]

2.96a is a seperate patch - just apply on its own

[empty cliff]

cheers

any special patch needed for smash remix or that just works?

[viscid gate]

No, I think that one was straightforward

[hollow rune]

@fair stump Did winback have a change?

[fair stump]

I haven't been checking consistently but the sky looks correct now. A while ago you could see the seams running across it

[hollow rune]

Super cool

I keep forgetting exactly what the divots are

so I am not sure what to target first for testing

[fair stump]

Did you see that micro machines is working now? 😄

[wind helm]

Wasn't it working before ?

[hollow rune]

No, but I will go to there

[wind helm]

well it was working for me last week ok

[fair stump]

It would freeze before when loading into a race

[wind helm]

it was working for me strange

Tomiya Racing is interesting I tried it and it works 100%

[fair stump]

Nobody may have logged it for a while then

[hollow rune]

That;s all I had ever seen

it is actually pretty fun. Like what you would hope the NES games like that would play

The tank stuff is really fun!

[orchid nimbus]

I personally notice if a controller has 0.1ms lag

it annoys me greatly

especially on MSX games

[empty cliff]

mister was made for you

[fierce garden]

You need to become one with the machine 😃

[solemn marlin]

I've never thought about lag

Is there a scientific method to test?

[zealous hull]

I can just DM you? Once you know the command it's pretty straightforward. 🙂

[chrome quest]

There is a scientific method people use, I'm not best placed to explain, but if you want to read the results and search specific controllers;
#controllers message

[river shale]

I just got my setup running and have Mario kart amped. This is amazing. Literally been dreaming of this for years. Thanks @wanton sun

[solemn marlin]

5.9 miliseconds 🧐

[zealous hull]

On the topic of Amped, does anybody know how to save data (NOT ghost data) in the game? It seems to be related to cheats being on but I've never see an option to enable or disable them.

Trying to get all the coins in Trial mode and none of my attempts "count".

[toxic pumice]

literally just played body harvest for the first time ever, this is absolutely brilliant???

[chrome quest]

If you use the latest unstable "MiSTer" file. And then use the "new" database file (which must be renamed to "N64-database.txt");
Mario Kart Amped for me will save with no user modification required.
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/N64_ROM_Database/blob/main/N64-database_new.txt

Alternatively you can add the hash value to whatever database file you already have manually, there might be an example above even. Needs to be eeprom16

[orchid nimbus]

yup - it's a thing of beauty

[latent galleon]

man original controllers sure seem creaky

[zinc dew]

Why is the new database called new

[hearty oar]

for people testing @daring meteor 's 1p2c build: quick build of MiSTer main to fix ranges for both left and right stick:

[orchid nimbus]

because it uses a different way to ID the roms

nintendo official roms have a product ID just like the PSX images had

so they are indentified throught that

but first the md5 hash over the first 4096 bytes is checked

[hearty oar]

needed until @weary palm 's changes to MiSTer main hit the next stable release, then ideally new will replace the old database

[orchid nimbus]

not ideally

it will replace

[hearty oar]

yeah not sure why I prefixed that, haha

[orchid nimbus]

and anyone who keeps on their old stuff - well that's their problem 😄

both methods will keep on working

[solemn marlin]

What's ranges? Allows for higher precision and less jerky?

[orchid nimbus]

-85 +85

[latent galleon]

man that horizontal dither banding in MM is nuts

[hearty oar]

just makes it so that the sensitivity and max values for modern sticks match up with the reduced range the original n64 sticks had

[latent galleon]

85 seems like it might be a scootch more than we need, but feels great

[solemn marlin]

Yea I've seen the pics tbh, sounds cool, it's already much better than the c remap solution

It doesn't ruin the integrity of pd or twine, just turn off auto aim to compensate for increased precision

[dreamy grove]

Is there a "go to" recommendation for a N64 shaped controller that work with mister?

I realize the core isn't done yet, but I wanna start playing with it soon

[latent galleon]

wireless or wired?

wired just use original

wireless just use original?

[dreamy grove]

What adapter would you recommend for wired?

[latent galleon]

sure is annoying i can't say reflex, because it is sold out

[hearty oar]

timville 4adaptor looks good

https://www.tindie.com/products/timville/4dapter-switch-mister-retro-controller-adapter/

[latent galleon]

wait is that a daemonbite with n64 support?

[hearty oar]

essentially, yeah

[latent galleon]

wow

[zealous hull]

I really do appreciate the response, but it doesn't have anything to do with my MiSTer config.

It's a message that is given in-game. There is a setting in-game that I can't seem to figure out--I assume.

[latent galleon]

@dreamy grove if you don't mind diying a $4 pico and extension cable would also get you there in the ugliest way possible

that timville is sweet

i also don't like dongles

[orchid nimbus]

when someone waves their dongle in my face I do a 360 and walk away

[dreamy grove]

A 360 would have you walking towards their dongle

[tidal glade]

360 usb dongle?

[orchid nimbus]

Turn 360 Degrees and Walk Away is a troll catchphrase that's often used as bait in online discussions where it is structured as a question-answer joke. The full joke introduces the question, "Why do they call it the Xbox 360?" with the answer "Because when you see it, you'll turn 360 degrees and walk away." The punchline is intentionally nonsensical because 360 degrees is a complete circle, meaning if you turn 360 degrees, you'll end up facing the same direction as before. When Microsoft revealed the name of their new console, some people were confused why they called it the "Xbox 360" instead of the "Xbox 2," so whenever anyone asks why this name was chosen, it's common for people familiar with the meme to reply with its punchline. Coinciding with the release of the console, the meme was popularized in 2006 and frequently used until dying off around 2014 with the next-gen Xbox One.

[zealous hull]

Wow.

[latent galleon]

meanwhile me, “what’s that noise?”

practically knocking over the C1

[zinc dew]

Thank you for answering my question @hearty oar and @orchid nimbus

[zealous hull]

Really dig the new avatar, Robby.

[latent galleon]

and you are all welcome I blessed you with cat picture

[orchid nimbus]

@cerulean elk The opus of multimedia creation attributed to the venerable and illustrious VGE transcends mere terrestrial productions, constituting an unparalleled zenith in the pantheon of online content. Their YouTube contributions, bathed in luminous erudition and adorned with the resplendence of unparalleled artistry, stand as the epitome of intellectual and aesthetic achievement, rendering them a paramount spectacle of cosmic significance amidst the tapestry of our worldly digital offerings. It is an endeavor that elevates the human experience to heights hitherto unfathomed, a beacon of enlightenment that beckons all to partake in its unparalleled grandeur.

[cerulean elk]

Lol wtf am I reading

And you forgot “magnum Dong”

[fair stump]

[vague socket]

Guys slightly off topic, but any quick fix of the audio cracking when resetting or changing cores? My speakers pop so loud, changing main volume doesn’t seem to fix it

[zealous hull]

This is the message I'm talking about for Amped Up.

However, when I try disabling certain options in the Extras menu, nothing seems to make a difference.

Note how the "Cheats?" icon is different between the two screenshots? For both cases, nothing is getting saved.

Just wasn't sure if anybody else knew what that was about.

Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

[orchid nimbus]

Passion for Historical Warfare: The person might have a deep interest in historical warfare and siege weapons, particularly catapults. Their fascination with these ancient engineering marvels may have earned them this unique nickname, signifying their exclusive devotion to catapults in historical contexts.

Eccentric Sense of Humor: It could be a humorous or eccentric choice, with the individual adopting a nickname that intentionally stands out and makes people wonder about its meaning. In this case, the nickname might not have a specific reason other than to pique curiosity.

Online Gaming or Role-Playing: "OnlyCatapults" could be a username used in online gaming, especially in games where catapults play a significant role. Alternatively, it might be used in a role-playing context, where the character or persona associated with the nickname has a preference for or expertise in using catapults as their primary weapon.

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Ultimately, the reason for the nickname "OnlyCatapults" would depend on the individual's personal history, interests, and sense of humor. It could be a combination of factors, and the true meaning might only be known to the person using the nickname.```

@zealous hull ^^

[zealous hull]

This is really insightful, thank you.

Is your name Vampier because you suck?

Kidding. 😉

[orchid nimbus]

no then my nickname would be vacuum or @zinc dew

[zealous hull]

Damn.

[fair stump]

Whatcha sipping on tonight, vamp?

[orchid nimbus]

A love so pure, no distance can mar.
In every smile, in every whispered word,
My heart's sweet song, in you I have heard.

Your laughter, a melody, a gentle refrain,
In your arms, I find solace from pain.
With you, each moment, an endless delight,
In your love's embrace, my world takes flight.

From dawn's first light to the evening's end,
You are my lover, my confidant, my friend.
In your embrace, I find a tranquil shore,
A love so deep, forever I'll adore.

Robby, my heart's compass, my eternal muse,
In your love, I'll nevermore lose.
Together we'll journey, through life we'll stride,
With you by my side, forever as my guide.```

@zinc dew ❤️

[zealous hull]

In other news. I just needed to delete my entire Amped Up save. Amped Up is working fine now. It must have been a save from the before-times when controlpak support wasn't in.

[orchid nimbus]

it's only 16:46

[zealous hull]

18:46 over here.

[orchid nimbus]

MST

[zealous hull]

CST

Oops. Doxxed myself.

[orchid nimbus]

no someone from this discord server posted their whole address online on twitter yesterday 🙂

funny reaction when I posted it in their DM 😄

[latent galleon]

i mean sadly that's a google away these days anyway

[orchid nimbus]

well it's really easy to figure out who I am

my real name is on github

linked in

[latent galleon]

don't make me drop you a postcard to prove it

and you live in anaheim

[hearty oar]

pretty sure you could easily figure out who I am based on things I've posted here...

[latent galleon]

like 6ft from disney but don't work at disney

at least based on gas station murder

[zealous hull]

Based off the info I've scraped of you so far I've only got that you're some kind of mega-idiot.

Which--in my opinion--I don't think is true.

[latent galleon]

vampier will be right back, he's just answering his front door

[orchid nimbus]

naked

[latent galleon]

🤞

[hearty oar]

I mean if it's written somewhere on the internet, then it must be true

[lone geyser]

I know Vampier's first name

[latent galleon]

i know yours

[lone geyser]

Then you know Vampier's

[zealous hull]

The plot thickens.

[hearty oar]

it's obviously Vampier, MSX

[chilly ember]

I thought it was vamp

[orchid nimbus]

@lone geyser indeed knows my first name

[lone geyser]

Actually my government name isn't one I've ever used but you can easily find my middle name around here

[latent galleon]

Lem O'Nici

[orchid nimbus]

Le Monici

duh

[safe robin]

I hosted a 4 player gaming session on the n64 core tonight 2 nso controllers and 2 ps4 controllers all connected via Bluetooth at the same time. We played Mario Kart 64, Diddy Kong racing, Snowboard Kids 2, F-Zero X and a whole round of Mario Party 2. Zero disconnects and everything worked responsible all the time. Also no crashes. The core is in a great state! We also had rumble activated for all controllers

[orchid nimbus]

nice

[hearty oar]

I'm surprised the BT adaptor didn't keel over and die from the stress lol

[latent galleon]

and i am jealous of rumble

[orchid nimbus]

low power

[fair stump]

Do people use more than one bt for four player or something?

Or just play wired at that point

[latent galleon]

who has three friends?

[safe robin]

I also wasn't sure if my dongle would be able to handle 4 controllers, but it surprised me how perfectly it worked

[safe robin]

I red somewhere that the mister can only handle one bt dongle at the same time. Never tried 2

[rose elbow]

doesn't consoles like PS4/PS5, Switch etc. only have 1 tiny BT receiver on the inside for example?

[zealous hull]

It can fit more dongles, but you have to get it used to it slowly.

[fair stump]

Makes sense, I'm just wondering why four wireless controllers would be an issue

[zealous hull]

i'm sorry

[latent galleon]

bt is just flaky, especially with random dongles

[hearty oar]

Yeah, it’s always sketchy on MiSTer for me, especially with 2 controllers

[latent galleon]

heck my 2.4ghz m30 stopped working after i paired my bt 8bitdo controller today, how does that even make sense

it's a teensy bit jank

[rose elbow]

ooh i'm just looking at switch and it seems to be something integrated directly to the motherboard so i do suppose that's different than usb dongle heh

[safe robin]

I'm using this dongle, someone here in the discord recommended it to me and it's perfect for me.
https://www.amazon.de/gp/aw/d/B08SC9M9K3?psc=1

[rose elbow]

ya i use the tiny version of something similar to this , Bluetooth Adapter for PC, ZEXMTE USB Bluetooth Adapter 5.0 Bluetooth

and it connects multiple controllers / not had issues personally

[latent galleon]

ah yes the long dong

[safe robin]

The only thing that doesn't work, sometimes after a mister main update after reboot it is not recognized anymore until I restart the mister via power switch

[fair stump]

I think I got something from misteraddons, don't remember

[latent galleon]

i have the tiny zexmte, it is fine

[rose elbow]

apparently the long dong has a range of 100m which is wild

[safe robin]

jea and you can destroy brick walls with it 😁

[rose elbow]

OOOOh YEAHH!!

[broken cradle]

holy hell thats one strong dongle, breaking walls better than the koolaid man

[hearty oar]

Cop that, “others”

[ocean lily]

the long dong penetrates the interference tho

[fair stump]

First vamp writing love letters and now this long dong

[zealous hull]

It's a weird day.

[cerulean elk]

Worst flavor though

[broken cradle]

idk if its anything like the switch carts, im in

[hearty oar]

We’re sucking on it now are we?

[latent galleon]

i regret everything

[zealous hull]

At first I was like "yeah duh cause it's metal", then it clicked.

[cerulean elk]

Haha

[uneven prawn]

Anyone using brawler64 controller? I heard the sensitivity was messed up. Can anyone report?

[manic basin]

With the clamped main build it's great. But it's got the same issues as all the modern sticks without it.

It's also got some confusing documentation.

[cerulean elk]

I use it. What @manic basin said

[orchid nimbus]

[Animated GIF of another Andy D ... the annoying one]

not this Andy D ^^

[zealous hull]

We don't talk about that Andy D.

[manic basin]

AndyDoppelganger.

[manic basin]

The hang up for me was my documenation (which is not universal) said to change modes by holding sync + B. That's only to switch to Dinput...switching to Xinput requires sync + A so I thought it was broken for a bit.

[uneven prawn]

I'm on the fence between brawler and tribute

[manic basin]

I mean, having Tenacious D stuck in your head is an absolute point to Tribute.

[orchid nimbus]

it's never good to have the D stuck in your head

[chilly ember]

I like my 8bitdo kit but i haven't used any other third party n64 controller

[manic basin]

8BitDo is absolutely my favorite (but I'm using wired originals). For wireless the brawler is quite good though I'm sure the 8bitdo wireless feels more 'right.'

My originals are pretty creaky but they definitely feel the best.

[frail jolt]

Just came here to say....I am jealous of yall with time to play around with this core

[mellow terrace]

I hd the same issue and found that the combo BT/Wifi dongles just arent reliable. I ended up switching to a TP Link and have had a perfect experience since then. BT controllers sync correctly everytime

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B09DMP6T22

[fierce garden]

Not had any issues with this one personally although the PS5 controller needs to have an unblocked path for some reason. Everything else including nso 64 controller work great ASUS USB-BT500 Bluetooth 5.0 USB... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08DFBNG7F?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

[iron dove]

works well with the standalone ZEXMTE long range BT one that gets recommended around here too

[chilly ember]

Playing Pokemon Stadium on the core then the announcer says this 👀 it's even worse that his starter is onix

[pale granite]

what program/cart do you use to test the controller?

[chilly ember]

I believe everyone's been using this

https://github.com/sanni/controllertest/tree/master/N64-Port

[hearty oar]

there's also mimi, although last time I tried it on the core it just wouldn't take any inputs at all: https://github.com/wermipls/mimi

[latent galleon]

mimi works well now

and is definitely the right choice, just need to turn the force wb debug setting to on

[hearty oar]

ah, thanks that's probably what I missed

[inner plume]

Found a weird issue with Rayman 2 on the latest core. The text at the start (like "Expansion Pak Detected") is nearly illegible if VI Divot is turned on. But if I press Start through to the main menu or let the demo start playing, then Reset the core from the MiSTer menu, the text becomes correct (or pretty darn close at least).

I figured, it's just curious that on reset it looks fixed

[wanton sun]

yes it is 🙂 got 75% complete now, had a great time. Of course you will be sad or angry when you die at later stages and have to repeat 30 minutes, mostly because played careless, but that's just how the game is

[lament escarp]

Last time I tried it it ran at like 5 fps

[wanton sun]

this was fixed recently, running at 20fps, but has slowdown with a lot on the screen, but i think that is normal

[wanton sun]

what happens here is that the 9th of the memory should be initialized with 1 according to Ares. The core currently doesn't initialize it at all, so it can be either 1 or 0. When it is 0, the coverage of that pixel is below 7 and divot is applied. Typically the 9th bit will be overwritten by the rdp rendering process, but these screens are drawn by the CPU which only writes 8 bit

good find, will have to write it to 1 on reset

[languid dune]

Yeah, the slowdown is normal. The game is awesome, but it's also held together by duct tape and string. 😅

[kind solar]

does this one have a constant flashing blue led when in use? my current one does that so if i were to upgrade i'd want to avoid that

[kind solar]

same question re. blinking blue led

[lament escarp]

I found the 8bitdo usb adapter to be more reliable regarding connections. If you're using a ps5 controller you can also use the ultimate software with it, to adjust deadzone etc.

[pale granite]

thabks. I hace some old N64 pads that need testing, problaby will need some parts replacement too

[wanton sun]

the mimi test doesn't run stable, no matter if cache WB or cache off

unfortunaly it freezes very random, so hard to debug

(like all libdragon based homebrew)

[hearty oar]

ah cool, yeah I tried it just before and had it hang sometime after trying a 3 sample measurement

also afterwards played some smash remix and was wondering why the performance would sometimes tank before realising I'd left that cache WB setting on lol

[manic basin]

@wanton sun has anyone reported the issue with shadows and certain effects drawing at the top of Z order in 1080 Snowboarding? When you're behind a mountain you can see your shadow and your cold smoke through it (the plume of blower powder behind the board).

Note, this COULD be an original hardware issue, too. I didn't play it on OG hardware.

This happens in race as well and you can see your opponent's shadow/powder through mountains ... especially when you're as bad as me and always behind them.

[wanton sun]

interesting, i 100% completed the game on real hardware 20 years ago and recently on the core, didn't notice it

would need to check, the attract screen shows it

[manic basin]

Looks like it's on real hardware as well. I found an intro on YT from 2007.

And it totally happens there too.

[wanton sun]

ok, so i don't need to check?

[manic basin]

I don't think there were any emus back then so I assume it's real HW, hehe.

I don't think so. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ12rCD-Dkk

[wanton sun]

given how it looks, it doesn't seem to be emulation from that time, yes

[manic basin]

Clearly shows through the mountain here, so I guess it's just a game bug!

[stone pilot]

This core is delightful. The HUD messes up horribly in Dire Dire Docks, just like on original hardware ❤️

I did notice in Mario 64 that, as you first enter Jolly Roger Bay and walk toward the water, the water surface polygons start moving and warping unnaturally

[orchid nimbus]

today I thought I saw something that didn't look right - but it was pixel perfect with real hardware

go figure 😄

[manic basin]

Yeah, that's a great place to be! "Nah, it was always just kinda janky like that."

[chilly ember]

Trying to get though pokemon stadium with only the rental pokemon is painful lol

so much rng

It works great on the core though, no issues when playing through 7 of the first gym leaders besides the text for the gym leaders before battles

[latent galleon]

it won't even try to run for me without the debug setting on, and is mostly stable with it on...but really you just need it to run long enough to get a reading and take a screenshot 🙂

and it's such a step up that it is worth trying at least for a controller you really care about

[daring meteor]

Remember the 6 control schemes I mentioned yesterday?

I put them all in

This does joystick swapping

[wanton sun]

anyone with digital output n64 here? would need a screenshot taken from the full image(no crop, overscan removed, ...) of Bomberman Hero PAL Title screen

this is the core, showing part of the second framebuffer at the bottom. But it's the same in Ares and my N64 is not digital modded so i don't trust it to show everything

sorry, really need the full area

[daring meteor]

Are you connecting a digitally modded N64 to an analog display?

I mean it makes sense tbf, RGB

[chilly ember]

I think some people have started to sell their modded N64's 😱

[daring meteor]

I sent PRs - Both singleplayer and multiplayer in PD works now, and Robotron has the right config

[wanton sun]

wow in input.cpp, i'll get a beating for that 😅

no chance to hide all that in n64_joy_emu?

[daring meteor]

I guess you could read the status condition inside the if, and toggle stick if its true

[wanton sun]

wow, the core change...4x2x16bit muxes and 2x3x16 bit muxes

[daring meteor]

You could do that in n64_joy_emu but at that point you might as well do it in the function itself

[wanton sun]

that's a total of 224 Luts just for that. The whole gamepad module that handles pif communication and everything is only 136 Luts...

so we triple ressource cost for gamepad related things with the change

[daring meteor]

Ah, 16 bit muxes cost that much?

[wanton sun]

one lut has only 1 output, so can only mux 1 bit

[daring meteor]

Ah

[wanton sun]

that's why i initially asked if it's only 1 stick, because that would have been only 2x16

i mean, i'm probably over anxious about ressource cost as it will be only 0.5% of the FPGA, but still, i don't really want to fill in that much now already

if you already evalute bits in main, why not do all the muxing there?

[daring meteor]

I can try to do that but it sounds like it'll act funny

[latent galleon]

how long did gamma take to reduce by that much?

[wanton sun]

maybe 5 hours of work?

but the problem is that this hits diminishing returns, it's not 150 ALM every 5 hours forever 🙂

[latent galleon]

5 hours is a lot

you are really squeezing is all i mean

[wanton sun]

i do my best to keep all the low speed/low requirement stuff as small as possible, so i can spend insane amounts of logic on the parts that need it, e.g. CPU has a second instruction cache TAG ram costing 600 ALM or so. It's completly redundant but increases CPU speed by about 1 ns, so about 8mhz due to the paths that can be evaluated in parallel