Nintendo 64

[fair stump]

Spending my Friday night playing through Paperboy

[chilly ember]

Is paperboy a game that can be finished?

[fair stump]

That's exactly what I'm trying to find out

It plays totally fine and I'm past half way through

[zenith orchid]

do AA or Divot do anything for you?

[vapid moat]

Nope

[zenith orchid]

At first I though this game is missing VI features because its a launch title, but it isn't. it came out in 98

unlike the original f-zero that was a launch title

maybe this one was a rushed release

[languid dune]

F-Zero X is too good to be rushed!

[zenith orchid]

You know what it might be?

[languid dune]

To keep the 60fps.

[zenith orchid]

exactly

[languid dune]

That's what I always assumed. But I honestly don't know enough about the hardware to know if VI affects performance on original hardware.

[zenith orchid]

it was known as the first N64 game to reach and maintain 60fps even in multiplayer.

[rose elbow]

n64 svideo into retrotink

[languid dune]

Well one of the first 3D games anyway. There are actually quite a few 60fps N64 games.

[zenith orchid]

yep, no dedither

thanks for your help, much appreciated

[rose elbow]

all good. only s-video so not exactly hdmi/rgb quality but if i can help happy to help :)

im curious to see Perfect Dark while i have it on

[languid dune]

For North American releases, the first 60fps game was Mortal Kombat Trilogy. Second was KI Gold. And third was NBA Hangtime.

[drowsy lantern]

Yeah Robert explained yesterday (I think) that the RAM is operating faster than real hardware, so many games exhibit better performance.

[languid dune]

You could almost say that when playing on MiSTer....You've got boost power!

[prisma ivy]

I'm sorry 😂

[inner plume]

@zenith orchid having some trouble with the ED, it'll tell me if I don't have the files in the right place on the card but isn't booting when they are there

[zenith orchid]

just blame the ED problems on your wife 🤣

[prisma ivy]

Ughh I truly dislike using cellphones. I hit the clipboard so many times by mistake

[zenith orchid]

oh.. right, maybe it needs an update

[inner plume]

Yeah I don't have that problem lol

The firmware hasn't been updated since I got it so I doubt that's the problem. Probably a shitty SD card or I formatted it wrong

[rose elbow]

my lord the performance on actual Perfect Dark is rough aha

[inner plume]

But it looks like you got your F-Zero pic

[zenith orchid]

yep, I think F-Zero could go into the Perfect column. I don't think it uses any other VI features besides dither

[inner plume]

I've never actually played F-Zero X

[fair stump]

I have decided to use cheats to get infinite health and skip to the end 😆

[inner plume]

Now that I have it up (on MiSTer) maybe I'll do that

[fair stump]

And I'm really hungry so those chips look amazing

This game gets really stressful

[prisma ivy]

Lol the chips were a copy paste finger tap accident

[zenith orchid]

I highly recommend it. Play time attack until you're confident with the controls and handling

[inner plume]

I remember in Smash 64, I couldn't figure out who Captain Falcon was. None of my friends played F-Zero either

Then again, that was peanuts compared to unlocking the "weird kid in a striped shirt"

[zenith orchid]

F-Zero was mainly a tech demo. it originally demonstrated mode 7 on SNES, and 60fps racing on N64

[languid dune]

I for one knew every character in Smash 64 when it released.

[inner plume]

I knew everyone but Captain Falcon and Ness

[zenith orchid]

oof, you didn't know Ness??

[inner plume]

I don't think most people did

[chilly ember]

Pk fire

[inner plume]

I'm pretty sure Earthbound became the poster child of unsung masterpieces because of his inclusion in Smash

Who the fuck is this psychic kid

[chilly ember]

I didn't know ness was but I was like 5 when I first played super smash bros

[inner plume]

And why is he the best fighter

WTF is "earthbound"

[eternal ravine]

I would like to see AI combine Earthbound and Eraserhead

[languid dune]

I was always a massive Nintendo fanboy, so I knew everyone. I played through Earthbound like 6 times back in the day before the N64 even existed. Nobody can out Nintendo me! Nobody!

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-hysterically-sideshow-bob-hahaha-lmao-lol-gif-19469964

[twin barn]

I had 86 rainbow swords in Chrono trigger before the n64 came out 😏

Guess you could say I'm kind of a big deal.

[inner plume]

Back in the days of the snes i was still like 6, so if my parents didn't get it for me, I didn't know about it

[zenith orchid]

NG+ Rainbow Sword %?

[eternal ravine]

But did you finish Nazo no Murasame Jō on release day

[twin barn]

Yes.

You can get one per playthrough.

[inner plume]

It's ironic that two of the most undersold games on the SNES were actually two of the best on the sytem

CT and EB

[languid dune]

I was 11 years old when the SNES launched. Got it for Christmas that year. All I had were Mario World and F-Zero.

[inner plume]

Eh, maybe CT wasn't undersold, but still wasn't as widely known as like the FF franchise

CT is a masterpiece, EB is almost a masterpiece but its sequel outdid it incredibly

[eternal ravine]

Let us recall that Nintendo was doing disks way before ahem N64

Now I'm curious about Otocky

[languid dune]

I love the MiSTer Kun Disk System.

[twin barn]

I love how the core gets more and more fuzzy and that makes it look better to me.

[zenith orchid]

F-Zero looks better without dither

[inner plume]

I'm torn about dithering

I can't stand it on HDTVs, because it's super obvious it's there

But on a CRT, the colors blend so much better

Removing de-dither makes it super apparent even on my Trinitron

[fair stump]

Paperboy is done, thank the lord for cheats

[inner plume]

But the image is so much clearer

[weary beacon]

That is normal for F-Zero X I believe

[zenith orchid]

yeah I just discovered that. same with AA and Divot

I'm convinced that F-Zero belongs in the perfect column already

[hazy arch]

is it normal to get a black screen with vga output to TV?

[slate sundial]

@wanton sun

As various N64 games appear to use a random assortment of VI options, would it be possible to save VI settings per title? I'm not sure if this is possible on MiSTer as, for example, I know controller remapping is erased upon core reload..

[inner plume]

I think (could be wrong) controller remapping per game is by design. Changing the default controller config for the core itself sticks, but I've never done a game-specific remap that has stuck for a given game

[quasi storm]

Never played that one. Is it any good?

[slate sundial]

Yea the custom remap isn't sticky.

I did a remap for the 32X (Doom Resurrection), and it is an almighty pain in't arse to remap each time I boot the core.

[inner plume]

I mean, I agree, I'm just saying I'm not sure if its behavior a core dev can change since none of the other cores persist per-game mappings that I'm aware of

[orchid nimbus]

nice feature request - keep it in the back of your mind and request again once the core is more mature

[slate sundial]

no the mappings are only stored for the entire core, it's not possible to record a custom remap per game (yet)

[fair stump]

I've honestly never played one before so I don't really have a point of reference. It seemed alright with some mechanics that make it really stressful as you progress along with some forced replaying of levels

[slate sundial]

I'd even take remap slots (in lieu of per game), so that I can store a few remaps and load em up quick

kinda like what we have with "alt" INI files

[inner plume]

What I really want to do is map the two-player controller scheme in Perfect Dark/Goldeneye to a single controller. But I don't want to do it every time lol

[slate sundial]

a lotta work each time!

[inner plume]

Yeah but it would be incredible to play with a modern twinstick layout

[slate sundial]

want!

[inner plume]

(on the core/actual N64 if the latter were possible, I know we have the Xbox version)

[zinc dew]

I made a game that Nintendo published

[rose elbow]

Goldeneye no less!

[dusk glen]

wrong cic maybe? needs to be set to 6105.

[zinc dew]

Patching the games changes the md5, you’ll need to add them to your user database with the updated md5 entry referencing the right CIC

[regal prism]

you just gonna drop that and go silent?

what game was it?

[dusk glen]

I added this to N64-database_user.txt
8e76aefa057e37c01e77671602cf0d2a ntsc|cic6105|eeprom2k|cpak|rpak|tpak # Perfect Dark (patched)

[rose elbow]

ooh thanks

i was earlier playing around with the original on og hardware and Gosh Dang that game performance gets chunky

[dusk glen]

I just took the md5 for the first 4096 bytes just like described on @orchid nimbus's page.

Reused the same settings for normal PD 1.1 NTSC

[rose elbow]

https://youtu.be/6eXjzKLpEX8?t=617

if anyone wants a refresher on how this game looks unpatched on original n64 aha

[zenith orchid]

This game makes me feel like there could have been a metroid prime for N64

[rose elbow]

oo if they gave it to Rare

actually, looking up who Retro Studios are. they have Turok staff on board

a metroid game in the style of Turok 2/Turok 3 for the 64 may have been more of a curse than a blessing 🤔

[tidal glade]

resident evil with aliens?

[wanton sun]

this is nothing for the core, it's mister main. We already had the discussion with PSX options. Currently the only way is to create a mgl file for each config you want to use

and sorry, if i don't answer all pings. I have seen them and took notes, but it's just too much to answer all 😅

[mortal panther]

For the record, I never pinged you.
But since you're here...

I just wanted to say thank you. 😏

[latent galleon]

wait the vi options don't enable features the games don't use do they?

[wanton sun]

no

for example if the game doesn't use gamma, the toggle has no effect

[latent galleon]

ok that's what i thought, the way that question was worded made me question my sanity for second

[wanton sun]

if i had more text space i could call it "as game uses it" and "always off" or so

[mortal panther]

Divot has a really aggressive effect on some things. On the controller test that's commonly used for example, the text becomes almost unreadable, and more than half of the red lines representing the edges of the stick gate after the benchmark disappear.

[latent galleon]

that seems unintended?

assuming it looks fine on the real deal

[wanton sun]

there can of course be bugs

i mostly checked everything with mario64 only

[zenith orchid]

hey no worries. all I had to say was that original hardware seems to deactivate texture filtering on the naming screen in harvest moon 64, but it doesn't do it automatically in the core.

Heck it might be for the whole game, as it distorts the text

[viral portal]

So theoretically speaking, you could turn all of these settings to "on" and it will only apply if the game ever used them.

[wanton sun]

i'm not fully sure, have to check about the filtering

[zenith orchid]

that seems to be the case with F-Zero, it only seems to use dithering and nothing else

[wanton sun]

yes, all on = like real n64

maybe i can call it default?

[zenith orchid]

absolutely

and all vi options can be in a VI custom settings menu

[past mango]

@wanton sun I can't remember if I pinged you or not on it, but I noticed the 3d "Acclaim" logo in the intro to Extreme-G is scaled strangely, then it has a rocket animation after and the 3d model for the rocket follows an incorrect path. Kinda reminded me of the old Gran Turismo replay bug on PS1 lol

[viral portal]

That's awesome.

[wanton sun]

i will move them once the dust settles. It's annoying to go to a submenu all the time to debug. I know there is a option to un-tree all options, but that makes it even worse to find something

[zenith orchid]

Yeah I was going to mention that 😂

as some future thing

but yeah the original experience really ought to be the default, from a preservation point of view

[marble cargo]

Almost done with Banjo-Kazooie, just need to get past the game show and the final boss.

Rusty Bucket Bay can suck my ass.🖕

[daring meteor]

I tried doing it through source code, not asm

[iron dove]

grunty's furnace fu**

actually that works better without the asterisks

[rose elbow]

aha i managed to get thru banjo recently (before de-dither 🥲 )... the game definitely picks up at Rusty Bucket/TickTock Woods

also that One Jiggy in the swamp level, near Mumbo Jumbo's hut.. where you have to ground pound the switch and then slowly walk across a narrow platform .. that jiggy can also suck my ass 🖕

[mortal panther]

'Unreadable' was an exaggeration, but it does do some strange stuff to the letters.
Left: Divot Off
Right: Divot On

[wanton sun]

can take a look later. i don't see why divot should be active over the text

[mortal panther]

May just be weirdness with that utility ROM. It was just something I noticed and thought I'd mention.

Also, as that screen suggests, the Brawler 64 stick is pretty nice. 🙂

[rose elbow]

my childhood n64 controller :(

[mortal panther]

Too much Mario Party? 😉

[rose elbow]

definitely not ! just general use i swear !!!

[trim seal]

Therapeutic doses eh? eh?

[rose elbow]

i'm still on original hardware here poking around

[drowsy lantern]

@wanton sun any idea what might be causing this?

[rose elbow]

@at

the black splodges is also on original hardware @drowsy lantern

[native mesa]

I don't think he's referring to black lines

Look at starmans eyes

[rose elbow]

whats referring to ?

ohhh my bad, didn't see that

[mortal panther]

Oh, the distortion in the number as the edge of the tree passes behind it?

Disable Divot and see if it still does it.

I noticed similar behavior elsewhere while goofing off outside the castle.

[brisk edge]

not entirely sure about the star specifically, but sometimes the HUD looks weird as various things are passing underneath it. That does happen on real hardware.

[rose elbow]

i was looking at it just now and not replicating it, does seem to be unique to the mister core atm

[native mesa]

I noticed something similar in Roberts initial divot video with Lakitu's glasses

[rose elbow]

https://youtu.be/X-6PjcNouAI

aa on,
divot off = has the glitch

aa off,
divot off = no glitch

aa off,
divot on = has the glitch

[mortal panther]

That's interesting. I didn't notice it on mine with AA: On and Divot: Off.

[rose elbow]

theres something subtle going on with aa on divot off

[mortal panther]

When you load the game and start outside of the castle, press C-Up, look at the castle, and toggle Divot back and forth. The detail in the Princess stained glass window and the smaller windows on the front of the castle is destroyed with it on.

[rose elbow]

hey this video comparision made me realize i had retrotink cropping set incorrectly. i got something out of doing this :D

[mossy needle]

Nothing like getting owned by the one hit blades in the back of the ship or falling into the green goo and losing your notes

[languid dune]

You shouldn't admit to working on Wii Music.

[quasi storm]

What game?

[worldly quartz]

Maybe that eu + japan only game day of disaster

[deep beacon]

As someone with an oled who just got a crt I think you’re crazy.

[rose elbow]

which CRT you get ?

is wanting an OLED crazy?

[deep beacon]

I got a jvc d series without knowing if it is good or not before picking it up from some old ladies house

I love it. I have an oled uw for my pc that I regret buying. I have to baby it and change windows settings to prevent burn in. It’s like the first time I feel like my pc owns me and tells me what to do instead of the other way around

No issues with the monitor and love the performance. But they’re expensive and give me a constant feeling of nagging anxiety when I use it

[rose elbow]

aha interesting

i havent had a new TV in a while. i had a Sony 52" something or other which lasted me about 8 years before fizzling out and dying on me

[deep beacon]

As far my oled tv. I don’t game on it outside of mister (when it was plugged into it) but 4:3 will eventually burn into your 16:9 display sooner@or later

[rose elbow]

atm im on a pretty shitty "spare room" flatscreen tv atm

CRTs rule but they also need care and maintenance and run the risk of dying out over time also

[deep beacon]

I’m the furthest thing from a classic gaming purist. But crt is where it’s at

[rose elbow]

and when that happens u're less able to return it to the shop and get a new one which is a big bummer with CRTs

[deep beacon]

I mean. Today I almost finished played castlevania circle@of@the moon on my pc because the mister gba emulator renders the image too small for my liking. It’s a fine experience on the pc too. But that crt glow warms my heart

[rose elbow]

id love to have like, a garage and just stuck on CRTs and horde them like a madman ahaha

but i dont quite have the room for that atm!

[deep beacon]

On the bright side they’re still readily available

The main bonus of oled gaming is hdr.

If youre just playing mister and already own a crt you dont NEED an oled. But if owning one will make you happy and you have other uses for it go nuts. I went from a samsung lcd that died on me to a hand me@down panasonic plasma for a year or two to oled 4k

[rose elbow]

maybe i shouldnt get oled just a nice new tv 🤔

i definitely need some sort of nice new tv oled or no oled

[quasi storm]

OLED HDR with a shadow mask looks absolutely amazing, FWIW.

[rose elbow]

yessss, sway me back into getting OLED

let's gooo!

[deep beacon]

It does look great. But the image is too clean for me

I’m also kind of a component hater too though

Bury me with an rf cable

[rose elbow]

aha

[quasi storm]

I usually also add some interpolation as well.

[rose elbow]

i was worried about Component RGB style CRT gaming would be too clean but noope.. it looks soooo nice

like the blacks are still pitch black and then everything else can be cranked up to turbo brightness

like theres times when i boot into the N64 core for example and the OSD doesn't come up, so the screen is all black, and i can't quite tell if my CRT is on or not

[quasi storm]

And then you hit MENU and POW!

[rose elbow]

i dunno what the term is.. Ghosting? trails?

[quasi storm]

Phospher trails.

[rose elbow]

like when you play Super Mario Bros 1 on NES, and on level 2 the underground level. it's all black. and fast movement makes everything leave a trail

that shit is soooooo cool

it's full eye candy and hyptnotises me staring at that stuff

i def love CRTs and think they're the way to play this old stuff. they're just a hassle aha

[deep beacon]

lol exactly

[rose elbow]

i think with mister i'd like to always have at least 1 crt at ready

[quasi storm]

I used to love that as a kid.

[deep beacon]

Cost me more money and more time to buy and setup my oled than it did to Amazon a fish tank table and lug an 80 pounder by myself

Driving included

Arcade cores and neo geo on a crt with component makes me wish I had the know how, funds, and room to build a cab

…… and then get another crt and another mister for rf or composite 16 bit titles

A man can dream

I’m a late millennial and my gf is an early millennial and she’s been having a blast playing mister with me. Introducing her to neo geo with a replica controller on a crt was like a highlight of our relationship, so long as she never finds out that I valued that night more than her brothers wedding lol

[eternal ravine]

I only use composite for games with light guns or 3D glasses

[worldly quartz]

Just got an oled and i think it's meh outside brighter colors and better blacks

[rose elbow]

HMMMMMMM

[worldly quartz]

Havent loaded up mister on it

Only bought it because it was cheap

[versed cairn]

I have the very popular lg Oled c1. Amazing motion clarity and perfect blacks. Crazy low input delay. Best tv

Black frame insertion makes it look almost crt like in motion

[slate sundial]

thank you squire

[rose elbow]

i think the C1 is out !

C2 is out

it's all about C3 now

[native mesa]

Fuck I'm sick. Can't sleep

[native mesa]

I think we should be happy we even have toggles

[heavy geyser]

Is there any decently priced oled monitor that is not tv sized?

[latent galleon]

yes...kinda?

[heavy geyser]

Below 30 inches

[latent galleon]

oled monitors are pretty lux

lg definitely makes 27"

[heavy geyser]

Let me look that up

Ouch it cost more than a 55inch C1 😢

[latent galleon]

yeah that is where the kinda came in

[heavy geyser]

Idk, 55inch feels too large for retro gaming

[native mesa]

OLED so good tho

[latent galleon]

i can't complain about my 65"

[native mesa]

Must charge phone

[heavy geyser]

TV OLED 106 cm (42") LG OLED42C35LA: 900 eur

I think this is the smallest they make

[heavy geyser]

I have a 65 in my living room but that’s not where I play

[hasty kayak]

I disagree completely.

My game room tv IS a 55" LG OLED....

[storm vessel]

I cannot recall... VI stands for Visual Interpolation?

[zenith orchid]

vaseline interface

[wanton sun]

Video Interface

[hasty kayak]

That looks fantastic with all the VI options we have now. I now have the Fuzzy Blur that my Real N64 produces 😉 #accuracy

[thorn flax]

mostly

[worldly quartz]

Mister is a better deal than an n64 hdmi thanks to robert

@wanton sun, the vi toggles completely replace hw deblur and sw deblur patches of real n64?

[zenith orchid]

I see two different categories of patches. those that disable AA, and those that disable bilinear filter. you could simply toggle them off

https://www.retrorgb.com/n64blur.html
based on this

[arctic oracle]

I feel seen.....

[eternal ravine]

Now you're just doing victory laps

[arctic oracle]

No that's just running from my wife. They are the 'garage' crts....

[eternal ravine]

Arnold S. does some fantastic running in The Running Man

[oblique remnant]

so on orignal Hardware only AA is removable via patches and for the Deblur ( deactivate Bilinear Filter) a hardware mod is required?! Or can the last filter also be removed by using a certain profile on the Scaler ? ( Ossc , RT5x etc.) ?!

[native mesa]

Yes

[zenith orchid]

scalers can only work with the output after it had already gone through the vi pipeline

so they can't really undo what has already been done

[native mesa]

That's all the HDMI mod does

It's an algorithm to get back the 'original' image since no data is lost

At zero latency

[vapid hawk]

you can actually do deblur on a scaler too but it requires pixel perfect sampling first

all it does is discard every other horizontal pixel

[oblique remnant]

but it's still inferior to an hdmi mod then? I heard that too while using FBX Profile

[vapid hawk]

well yeah anything thats going via analog isn't going to look as good as a direct digital feed

[zenith orchid]

does the rgb mod do the same kind of deblur?

[vapid hawk]

but the deblur part is the same

[native mesa]

It probably depends if it's RGB modded or not. If it's Svideo you'll probably see artifacts after a deblur

[oblique remnant]

Mine is RGB modded of course but's kind of an old mod from 2010 so not sure if there were improvements since

[native mesa]

It can. Mine does

[zenith orchid]

that kind of deblur sounds kinda janky tbh

it doesn't actually disable anything in VI

[native mesa]

Right. It's not too ideal. Mister is king once again

[zenith orchid]

@oblique remnant long story short, you probably don't want to use that kind of deblur if you can help it

[vapid hawk]

deblur via an hdmi mod should produce an identical image to mister with the bilinear filter off

[zenith orchid]

there are patches or cheat codes for certain games that will disable the VI bits

[oblique remnant]

it's great to have the mistercore now being able to toggle on/off all those settings 🙂

[native mesa]

Not all of them. Bilinear can only be removed with a mod

[oblique remnant]

Bilinear injects the most vaseline 🙂

[zenith orchid]

I would say dedither does, but yeah that too

[fallen sparrow]

Nice, Garou!

[hearty oar]

I do find people wanting to turn off texture filtering and then wondering why the sky and ground are so chunky a bit funny

Like just don’t, the texels are too chunky

[native mesa]

Also as far as hex edits I think AA is handled on a per texture basis so it wasn't possibly to switch off entirely

That or nobody discovered a good method

[wanton sun]

AA is done on polygons during rendering(RDP) and during video output(VI)

[zenith orchid]

I had a feeling you were going to respond to that 😄

[wanton sun]

the second one can be disabled, disabling the first would be very difficult with a patch and also it introduces all kind of issues with alpha blending if it's disabled

[zenith orchid]

but I didn't know there was that first part

[native mesa]

Makes sense

I'm thankful I dont have to go through the hell to disable that stuff anymore

There were some decent tools but still command based

[zenith orchid]

it's interesting to me that a hardware mod could disable bilinear. is there a pin on the RCP or something that a mod could interface with to disable it in the VI?

or would the pin have to be lifted so the mod board could take over?

[native mesa]

No the hardware mod does the same thing and uoscaler does. Just ignores every other pixel

[vapid hawk]

they just discard every other horizontal pixel, they don't stop the n64 rendering them in the first place

[zenith orchid]

that doesn't really remove bilinear then

[native mesa]

On your screen it does

[zenith orchid]

I guess such an effect could be recreated on the core if people really want it, it's just not something the original hardware does.

[vapid hawk]

its identical to disabling the bilinear filter on mister

[native mesa]

Kinda like turning 480i into 240p but on the vertical and no scanlines

[pure ocean]

I've had the same with Rayman2 and Donald Duck intro text "no controller pack found press A to continue." Divot on = garbled text, off= text readable as always. After reloading the core it was gone. Sone maybe some settings stay and will not reset when loading a new game. So try to reload the core first.

[wanton sun]

but bilinear isn't always 2.0x, that's just a common case for games like mario64

[vapid hawk]

yeah if it wasn't exactly 2x it'll look weird when deblurred

[wanton sun]

right, so this would only work for maybe 50% of the ntsc games and 10% of pal

[zenith orchid]

some games don't use it at all

sheesh

[native mesa]

These test says it's not covid but whatever this is sucks

[pure ocean]

Divot. Tarzan (Germany). Rebooted and reloaded the core. Had the exact same with Rayman and Donald duck but can't reproduce after reloading the core. Tarzan seems stable for reproducing. @wanton sun

[wanton sun]

could be the same as with the controllertest. I fixed this, maybe try the new build that comes later today

[pure ocean]

Will do

[weary beacon]

No stress just asking, when will SNAC be implemented? I have a snack build but it's from early September.

[worthy herald]

so finally broke out the MiSTer after neglecting it since May. Trying out the n64 core for the first time and the joystick only allows me to move left and right (tried mario, turok and starfox). Something I'm missing? I tried with both a wired SN30 pro and a Saffun USB N64 controller.

[trim seal]

Presuming you've done a full update_all, you might want to define your joystick again in the main menu, then in the core.

[pallid grail]

I've patched Perfect Dark, got it running but I'm just getting delete files after I select New Agent. Is there a line I need to add to the database to fix this?

[hasty kayak]

Any word on the Ridge Racer 64 Car Light graphics issue? 🙂

[worthy herald]

ya that was the first thing I tried with both controllers, still same issue.

[trim seal]

Dang.

[vagrant ivy]

But did you go all the way though at the main mister config. The analog stick is after all the mouse button section

[reef sierra]

latest controller change has fixed left analogue stick on dualshock 3
must use "swap analogue<>dpad", which is counterintuitive, but hey it works

[chrome quest]

Forgive perhaps the obvious question, but what is the latest setup with this file?
Is it the latest current unstable "MiSTer" file, plus just the one database file, the "..._new" version, renamed to remove the "_new"?

[wanton sun]

snac for controllers was done by blue1 already and could probably be merged with the main build? Full snac (with paks) will require quite a bit more

[worthy herald]

Ah ha! That was it! Thanks!!! 💪💪💪

[hybrid spade]

Hi, I've got a bug with Rogue Squadron I'll try to share.

See where it says JRC, directly above that, the picture should look like the one in the lower right hand corner. Instead the background is drawing over the preview polygon.

The corruption at the bottom of the screen is the only other Rogue Squadron bug I've found, these are cosmetic only. The rest of the game runs perfectly which is incredible.

ah man, no face patch on Mario 64, dammmmnnnn this takes me back

[weary beacon]

Who could merge it? Sorry i am full noob for developer things.

[woeful beacon]

Not us haha

Like mister devs could probably merge it into the main mister build I think is what he means

[vapid hawk]

probably need blue to make a pull request first

so its up to him

[devout leaf]

@desert crow do you have any opinions? Since you’re the SNAC master.

[desert crow]

The code for reading controllers isn't great, I want to try and rewrite it. I also would like to get paks in there, but that requires somes changes to pif.vhd code.

I'm still not sure how it's suppose to work, but I did look at the code some to see if I could hack it in there. obviously I want to do it the best that I can.

[cerulean elk]

Coffee time and trying to doom scroll the thread to see what I missed

[trim seal]

Apparently we're going to have a game playable by Christmas.

[cerulean elk]

Oh wonderful. Can’t wait 🤣 (nice one btw)

[trim seal]

Never not funny

Bed for me. Enjoy the next build presumably while I sleep.

[desert crow]

maybe @weary beacon can try this build from a couple days ago instead of that old build <#1096015979055697940 message>

[weary beacon]

Oh missed that one. Thanks a lot.

[desert crow]

no problem, I was doing a build every so often and @Robby would pin them here. But he must have missed that build or is getting annoyed by how long this is taking 🤣 so check there in the future

[storm vessel]

Is it just me or does anyone else think that the one playable game by Xmas meant, 1 perfectly playable w/o any issues, game? Cuz there are sure a lot of very playable ones right now. 😄

[modern sleet]

1 means 100% of the library 😉

[storm vessel]

Ah, 1 means all, 0 means none.

[daring meteor]

I wanted to say 'what's the issue in Mario Kart' before answering myself with "async video"

Thus, Robert will have async vid by xmas

(Inb4 Robert drops it here in a hour)

[lament escarp]

So now we have 0.8 games playable. 😄

[zinc dew]

Aside from adding divot, anything else big from yesterday’s core update?

[wanton sun]

nothing big. Some games had broken video (lines doubled) that was fixed

[zinc dew]

ah that’s awesome

What a wonderful core. I brought my N64 controller and MiSTer on my trip just so I can continue enjoying it!

[solemn marlin]

I'd love playing through the entirety of twine if I could get twin sticks controls to work

[daring meteor]

Games can turn off Bilinear filter

[hasty kayak]

So what is the Default setting for games to look the same as the N64 as far as the VI options are concerned?

[wanton sun]

all default/on

[modern sleet]

keep everything on

[hasty kayak]

Fantastic 🙂 What do we think about the Ridge Racer 64 Lights issue on the cars? It almost looks a bit Wire Frame 😉

[vapid hawk]

no build today?

[orchid nimbus]

Just as random as harvest moon

In the middle of plowing fields and this guy shows up

It’s a meme dude

[wanton sun]

it's probably below place 20 on my priority list 😅

[orchid nimbus]

What is #1?

[hasty kayak]

#1 TLB?

[orchid nimbus]

I know everyone is thinking it

[hasty kayak]

#2 to get games running by Christmas 😉 haha

[lament escarp]

#1 play more mario party

[hasty kayak]

#3 to tell Dave'sGameRoom to shut-up

#4 to make a DGR Error Code

[weary beacon]

👍

[wanton sun]

currently all bugs and missing features that are VI related

but well, from time to time i do something else in between to have fun

so there will be a little surprise today....well maybe not for those who read everything in this channel 😅

[orchid nimbus]

Yoshi and bubble bobble 😛

J/K

I am still amazed how nice mario64 looks now

I was happy with PSX graphics - but VI is just the creamy icing on the cake

[wanton sun]

what is bubble bobble?

[orchid nimbus]

Puzzle de pon

All graphics are missing

It’s very weird because it’s the only game with that behaviour

[wanton sun]

can't you give me a game name that actually exists? 😅

[orchid nimbus]

Moment

[compact skiff]

I'm playing OoT for the first time. Loving it so far! It's my first 3D Zelda game.

[wanton sun]

puzzle bobble? or bust a move are those that are closest, haha

[orchid nimbus]

https://youtu.be/5HJOMMvlfkg?si=aedIUQx5wqzzdoJ-

I just woke up

[twin barn]

bust a move or bust a move?

[orchid nimbus]

Bust a deez nuts

[twin barn]

they had to call this bust a groove in the US because puzzle bobble is called bust a move outside japan

lol

[cold pollen]

oh, momma-mia!

[quick arch]

Dr Mario will be improved also 😃 ?

[orchid nimbus]

Well they get confusing as heck with these names

And even @wanton sun got on my case 🙂

[elder glade]

Sorry if this is a dumb question. Do we know if the core will reach full speed?

[orchid nimbus]

It’s not?

[vapid hawk]

it already is full speed

[hybrid spade]

The core is running at full speed already. mario 64 is super fast/smooth

[vapid hawk]

we only hope it will stay that way as all features are added

[hybrid spade]

Rogue Squadron performs like real hardware too

[vapid hawk]

its actually too fast in some games right now

[wanton sun]

some parts are too fast, some too slow. ideally all will be at least full speed and some will have a toggle to be slowed down to original speed

[little socket]

N64 need 150-200% speed

[vapid hawk]

200% of 6 fps is still only 12fps 😄

[little socket]

Cant argue with math

[mild ether]

Puzzle Bobble works but it looks like Atari 2600 graphics.

[daring meteor]

Very curious what happens there myself, we'll see when we'll see

[mild ether]

It's missing 56 bits.

[daring meteor]

Its missing the Y axis

[pallid grail]

Got Perfect Dark patched and running but can't get past the add New Agent bit, is there something I am missing?

[fair stump]

My guess for the surprise is fixed yoshis story

[daring meteor]

Yoshi's story now has a climax

[bronze elbow]

Was 50/50 if this would be puzzle bobble or panel de pon lol

Panel de pon is Tetris attack / puzzle league

Panel de pon 64 was cancelled in favor of pokemon puzzle league though 🙂

[cold pollen]

Gross

[cold pollen]

I'm a Tetris Attack guy anyway so doesn't matter so long as I can use the traditional tile set, which you can in PPL

[solemn marlin]

Los explosivo hermano 64 has tlb issues right? That one is my most anticipated

[fair stump]

Currently doesn't boot and is marked for tlb, yeah

[compact depot]

OMG TLB 😱

[wind helm]

So there will be a new release of the Core today ? Can't wait!

[cerulean elk]

lol where's the hint for whats today

[daring meteor]

TFrame LBuffer Bit-8

TLB

[cerulean elk]

lol cant tell if joking or not

[fair stump]

I mean, he already diagnosed the yoshi issue. Which probably means he fixed it before even explaining it to us

[compact depot]

Nah! It’s Automobili Lamborghini textures fix for sure

[orchid nimbus]

nah he got Gamecube games running too now

[hollow rune]

That would be amazing

[mild ether]

I am betting it's a fix for the Aleck 64 games so we can have Vivid Dolls

[inner bronze]

Well, the game's time sensitive frames (TFrames) require caching of their view matrices, stored in their LU Matrix Decomposited form. We only need the L part, so LBuffer. It's only used for the first 8 bits, hence Bit8. TFrame LBuffer Bit8. Easy.

[solemn marlin]

We getting re-integration of the printer for pkmn snap

[cerulean elk]

wow no comments for 26 minutes. Everyone go outside? lol

[daring meteor]

Everyne is waiting for the Totally Legit Bad-lie

[magic girder]

What’s “outside”?

[languid dune]

I think it might be related to Outworld in Mortal Kombat? That's my best guess.

[whole yarrow]

https://twitter.com/8BitDo/status/1710671333569483046

[mortal panther]

Googles 'outside'...
Nope. Looks scary.

[fierce garden]

Is VRR part of stable Mister or is it only working on nightlies?

[zenith orchid]

@wanton sun would ya be adding aspect ratio options to the upcoming build? 🤞

[ruby falcon]

Just like I remember it

[vapid hawk]

been in stable for ages

[ruby falcon]

This channel goes too fast for me to keep up casually. LOL

[wanton sun]

yes, you can finally use your ULTRA wide screen patches 😛

[zenith orchid]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[daring meteor]

Finally

[cerulean elk]

lol 10:1

out cinemascoping cinema scope

[daring meteor]

Also

[wanton sun]

just a test, you can set any aspect ratio in the mister.ini

[zenith orchid]

Only on N64!

[daring meteor]

VI force on features?

[wanton sun]

hmm?

[daring meteor]

Or did you just change the name from "On" to "Default"

[zenith orchid]

oh yeah I just noticed it

[native mesa]

I'm dead from some covid adjacent illness

[wanton sun]

yes default and off

so users don't assume on means on even if the game doesn't use a feature

[mortal panther]

64:9

[daring meteor]

64:27

[native mesa]

64:69

[zenith orchid]

now I need to find rom hacks which change the FOV to fit a 10:1 aspect ratio

[left depot]

42069:42064

Just pulled my 10:1 CRT out of the closet 🫡

[cerulean elk]

so square? lol

[left depot]

Not if you increase the 420 factor considerably

[zenith orchid]

10800x1080, not sure I could achieve that even by stacking monitors side by side

[mortal panther]

I can finally use my beloved 400:300 custom aspect ratio! Thank you! 😏

[cerulean elk]

I have two 21:9 monitors side by side for editing so I effectively work at 42x9

[mortal panther]

21:9 monitors have been some of the best investments I've made for my home PCs. They are absolutely wonderful.

Great for jobs like you mention, or any application where a lot of horizontal information on-screen simultaneously is useful... such as DAW (like FL Studio) or SDR applications.

[plush summit]

16:18 is my life now

[native mesa]

What's ultrawide 32:10 or something

[stone pilot]

W e l c o m e t o D o l p h i n P a r k

[mortal panther]

For me, ultrawide is 21:9 (3440x1440).

[knotty zealot]

if miyamoto caught you doing this shit, he'd put you on potato peeling duty in the nintendo hq cantina

[vapid hawk]

you joke but goldeneye has a 2:35:1 mode 😛

[zenith orchid]

I imagine 10:1 is something that would be used in timesquare or tokyo

[quaint pewter]

👀

[fallen sparrow]

😂

Off topic, does anyone know, if the new Operation Wolf game is any good?

[cerulean elk]

It’s “fine”

[fallen sparrow]

I'm gonna give it a shot on the Switch, I think

[vagrant ivy]

not as good as my Op Tiger Cab

[cerulean elk]

Lot more fun as a VR experience

[cerulean elk]

Lol trying to tease me here or something?

[vagrant ivy]

its a little beat up

[cerulean elk]

And google imagey too 🤣

[vagrant ivy]

lies

[fallen sparrow]

Never can be

I just watched a video, it doesn't look great. I still wanna try it, just because of my love for the original.

I completed the damn thing in joystick on a black and white TV on the C64

[mild ether]

I suppose every operation tiger PCB sold outside the cabinet equals one less cabinet in existence.

A shame because it is a cool cabinet.

Looks damn heavy though.

[modest helm]

Switch to controller pak

[cerulean elk]

Honestly I don’t know if a single Tiger cabinet in existence

I knew of one that was supposedly in an arcade in Tokyo. Had a friend check. Recycled because it died

[vagrant ivy]

I use my spares for firewood alongside the Panasonics m2

[fierce garden]

Ah nice! Thanks Freddo

[cerulean elk]

Now I know that’s not true. I own all the M2’s🤣

[native mesa]

Mm cancer fire

[mild ether]

There probably is one somewhere collecting dust in a warehouse. I can see why they would have gotten rid of them since they can't be used for anything else and they are big.

[cerulean elk]

Possibly. You never know. I can only know what’s on arcade floors. You could use it to convert into any Operation Wolf / Thunderbolt cab. Which would be more valuable to operators even if conversions

The cab my board came out of was offered to me but it was trashed. Also it was in Asia.

It must have been on the islands in the South Pacific. Signs of mold and decay due to moisture

(You can tell when something was in the south of Japan usually)

[mild ether]

Yeah, the shipping would have been outrageous even if it was in good shape.

[cerulean elk]

Yes. Had it been pristine I’d have gritted my teeth and ponied up

But the back of the cab was just rotting away. No saving it

But hey…three exist and I have one. I’m happy 🙂

[vagrant ivy]

I have the other 2

plus the 2nd story

[cerulean elk]

Lol aren’t you in a spicy mood today

[mild ether]

If you don't have cabinets how do you setup these games that are medium resolution?

[fair stump]

did i win the guessing game?

[wanton sun]

improvements in new build: controllertest has readable text again, starfox has noise, yoshi might be playable

[vagrant ivy]

He has a video on his You Tube channel

[mild ether]

He has tons of videos on YouTube. Lol

[vagrant ivy]

Life’s but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

[fair stump]

This game seems kinda cool now

[daring meteor]

Does that make VI done, barring async?

[wanton sun]

vertical guarding is still missing and there are some bugs

[quaint pewter]

does the yoshi stuff make puzzle bobble visible too?

[wanton sun]

well, it's visible, but not recognizable

[quaint pewter]

haha. well one step at a time 🙂

[wanton sun]

only know two other games currently that use 8bit framebuffer mode as i hit it through the emulator development: conker and mario tennis. Both don't run currently

maybe there are more? i didn't add a error flag before and now that it's kind of implemented, it makes no sense to add it anymore

[quick arch]

240pSuite is fixed for the divot 🙂

thanks !

[orchid nimbus]

oh man Yoshi works!!

[cerulean elk]

Ooh Yoshi. Time to go get my MiSTer out then

Not for a vid today. Just for fun

I’m taking the day off

[pallid grail]

Thanks KK, I will try it later. Darts is on now

[quick arch]

Banjo Tooie no more white bars

[mortal panther]

That reminds me, I can't seem to find a build of that for N64.

[solemn marlin]

Hey Dave what did you write in the database file for pd?

[daring meteor]

Oh, so we got both Yoshi and patched Tooie

[pure ocean]

Divot still scrambles Tarzan no controller pak text

[pallid grail]

Nothing. I saw somewhere that a line needs adding but I'm not sure

[quick arch]

It is present on first hit in google search on Reddit

[knotty zealot]

is it christmas yet? is that one game working?

[cerulean elk]

trying Yoshi now

capturing...probably for tomorrow or Mon

[zenith orchid]

Nah, I think by working he means in the Perfect column

[cold pollen]

patched Tooie
Or patooie as I call it

[solemn marlin]

Huh ok, guess I just suck at patching, checked the checksum tho, I just get black

[gray surge]

I kinda wonder if all games that have TLB stuff could just be patched out.

[wind helm]

I don't think that is possible. For some games it would involve a huge amount of work as there are so many scenes in some games utilising TLB.

[zenith orchid]

I'm sure in the GE hacking community, someone could quickly answer if TLB could be completely patched out

[pallid grail]

First time I tried to patch it I was using the wrong rom. Just stick at it and it will work

[cerulean elk]

Yoshi looking good

[zenith orchid]

tooie, perfect dark, dk64, and TWINE could all be played in widescreen via ingame options and core aspect ratio to 16:9

[chrome quest]

Manually adding aspect ratio to the INI? Just thinking current "Aspect Ratio: Original" doesn't get the PAL correction yet

[knotty zealot]

i didn't ask for this

[zenith orchid]

intro always worked didn't it?

[daring meteor]

Yes

[orchid nimbus]

yes

but the background was always missing

[zenith orchid]

😍

[daring meteor]

Banjo-Tooie (Europe) (En,Fr,De,Es).z64 / Banjo-Tooie (USA).z64
Bust-A-Move 2 - Arcade Edition (Europe).z64 / Bust-A-Move 2 - Arcade Edition (USA).z64
Bust-A-Move 3 DX (Europe).z64 / Bust-A-Move '99 (USA).z64
Jeopardy! (USA).z64
Jet Force Gemini (Europe) (En,Fr,De,Es).z64 / Jet Force Gemini (USA).z64
Monster Truck Madness 64 (Europe) (En,Fr,De,Es,It).z64 / Monster Truck Madness 64 (USA).z64
NBA Hangtime (Europe).z64 / NBA Hangtime (USA).z64
NBA Jam 99 (Europe).z64 / NBA Jam 99 (USA).z64
South Park Rally (Europe).z64 / South Park Rally (USA).z64
Wayne Gretzky's 3D Hockey '98 (Europe) (En,Fr,De,Es).z64 / Wayne Gretzky's 3D Hockey '98 (USA).z64
WWF War Zone (Europe).z64 / WWF War Zone (USA).z64

The list slowly shrinks

[nimble needle]

He didn’t say what that one game was in fairness 😀

[daring meteor]

Only 11 games, really 10

[zenith orchid]

I'm tempted to play this game, but I'm worried the yoshies will start singing "eat asshole" over and over again and it'll get stuck in my head

https://youtube.com/shorts/iZHcULuDNPM?si=kYXYhcs67BFQH25a

[orchid nimbus]

ffs

they sing niiiiin-ten-dooooooo

[zenith orchid]

the best part, this game is E for everyone

[daring meteor]

Nintendooooooo~
Eat Assholeeeeeee~

[orchid nimbus]

you guys are horrible

[oblique remnant]

eeerh what?! Blast Corps is playable ?

[native mesa]

Is VI done?!

[orchid nimbus]

damnit-- now I can't unhear it

[tawdry depot]

I just noticed that as well

[orchid nimbus]

curse you @zenith orchid

[wind helm]

what is this list ?

[tawdry depot]

I've updated in the list

[wanton sun]

i played through the first level of yoshi and it wasn't as disappointing as i thought it would be, but the controls are not very responsible. Maybe i'm spoiled from yoshi in smash

[daring meteor]

Remaining Broken games

Non TLB

[cerulean elk]

path changing can be a chore but otherwise not bad controls

[orchid nimbus]

less and less

[vapid hawk]

there's a patch for banjo-tooie now?

[native mesa]

They really butchered the yoshi character

[daring meteor]

There was for a while

[vapid hawk]

anyone got a link i missed that one

[daring meteor]

The Banjo crack

[orchid nimbus]

it was used as a jump off point to save Mario from the pit of death

[wind helm]

what about games that have partial problems such as graphical glitches like in my favourite Magical Tetris Challenge ?

[quaint pewter]

What?! I thought this was tlb. If it works then I'm very happy I love that game. Smashy smashy!

[daring meteor]

Not in the list but they are more plentiful

[native mesa]

It should have stayed in the pit of death

[latent galleon]

this is totally stupid and unimportant, but would "original" work better than "default"? to align with aspect ratio, and make it clear that it's the game's original behavior instead of mister default?

i am overthinking this

and man starfox looks good

[zenith orchid]

it's possible they're singing "be careful" or that they're alternating between that and "eat asshole" 🤔

[chrome quest]

Robert did say before, even if something says "TLB" or not, test anyway. Already for some time Fifa 64 works despite seemingly needing TLB. Same for PAL BattleTanx - Global Assault

[wanton sun]

yes makes sense

[zenith orchid]

that's brilliant

[wanton sun]

will change it for the next build. if someone want to complain, do it now 🙂

[cerulean elk]

yes...please make it "greasy" or "not greasy" lol

[vapid hawk]

all the vi settings should be lablled psx/n64 instead of off/on

[zenith orchid]

yes, and perspective correction should be toggle-able just to troll the people who want to make the N64 look like a PSX, regardless of how glitchy it looks without perspective correction. 😂

[vapid hawk]

lol

[quaint pewter]

its "available" or "ready", if it can be used but isn't always used? but on and off is fine anyway. they are just words and we know what they do. 🙂

[wanton sun]

and next comes the N64-CD core where the cartridge interfaces is slowed down a lot and random pauses are added, so you get those 5-10 seconds loading time every 30 seconds?

[zenith orchid]

I still think F-Zero should be considered perfect. it only uses dithering from VI

[vapid hawk]

can we start calling things perfect now?

its feature complete right

[orchid nimbus]

not yet

[manic basin]

Anyone else noticing some weird color blending on Body Harvest? It's the same thing that happens on waterfalls in Animal Forest. Reds and yellows where some of the gradient mist should be.

[orchid nimbus]

very close for most used features though

[zenith orchid]

nope

[orchid nimbus]

we're having a few oddballs

[vapid hawk]

whats still missing?

[tepid gorge]

TLB

[latent galleon]

i am half colorblind and can't find "perfect" or "playable" on that chart....i assume the big green blob is one of them!

[orchid nimbus]

Mario is missing

[zenith orchid]

RDP is still incomplete

[vapid hawk]

yeah but games that dont use tlb can still be marked perfect?

[orchid nimbus]

his floating head I mean

[calm anvil]

Tlb = goldeneye

[remote hatch]

Wipeout 64 is perfect 🙂

[daring meteor]

Nothing can be marked perfect, no async

[orchid nimbus]

TLB will be the True Last Boss for @wanton sunbut to me he'll always be #1 on the Tournament Leader Board

[zenith orchid]

Is the SM64 teleportation issue resolved? Perhaps after LOD, the game can be considered perfect

[vapid hawk]

ah true about the async yeah

[latent galleon]

shit that is actually funny

[languid dune]

Another build!?

[calm anvil]

Once tlb is implemented my real n64 will be pointless

[daring meteor]

... And TLB

[zenith orchid]

ah that's right

[manic basin]

@wanton sun
Left is real hardware, right is core.

[eternal ravine]

Goods can be exchanged for money

[latent galleon]

i will never not think of TLB as True Last Boss now

[wanton sun]

well, as i said: i know that everyone wants TLB, but as debugging with TLB in the cpu will be a nightmare, i want pretty much all other games to work fine before. I know it's annoying for you to have to wait, but in the end it will complete the whole core faster

[latent galleon]

i think anybody paying attention knows TLB will come last

[calm anvil]

Watch him implement TLB in a day and it will be flawless

[cold pollen]

we appreciate you

[eternal ravine]

Just be patient and we'll get a magical TLB day when they all start working

[cold pollen]

and your process

thank you 🙂

[tepid gorge]

Pretty much everything I'd want to play works now, although I'm interested in checking out Mischief Makers

[wanton sun]

interesting, will take a note, thank you

[zenith orchid]

that probably will happen, at least to the extent that is necessary for games to run

[teal sail]

I just found that unfortunately text is still affected (blurred) by divot in some games - for example Destruction derby @wanton sun

[calm anvil]

Dude is a wizard

[orchid nimbus]

slaps @teal sail with Dr Mario 64

[wanton sun]

yes there are still more divot bugs. Mario64 also has one, but it's related to RDP doing coverage wrong. Need to investigate

[vapid hawk]

i'm fine with this, it makes perfect sense and there arent even that many tlb games

[gritty current]

Will TLB be a toggleable option? or maybe that makes no sense...

[zenith orchid]

Wait isn't that atari compilation game that doesn't touch RCP a perfect?

[weary beacon]

Elephant Mario 64 mod is out.

[daring meteor]

I don't think it makes much sense unless it gives poblems

[languid dune]

I think it's more that compared to Yoshi's Island on the SNES, Story feels sluggish. It's not a bad game on its own, but as a follow up, it felt disappointing at the time.

[calm anvil]

In the mean time just play goldeneye on the switch right? Lol

[vapid hawk]

and we do have quite a number of games that can crash either randomly or reproducibly

[wanton sun]

maybe it will be a compile time option, so that there are special builds without it for easier debugging or with other features that would be impossible otherwise

[calm anvil]

Do you see it as a space issue at all in the core?

[tawdry depot]

Looks like Micro Machines 64 Turbo (USA) is now playable

[zenith orchid]

oh, if it could be toggle-able for debugging reasons, then perhaps it doesn't need to be put off?

[gritty current]

yeah, I was kind of thinking about it from the perspective of allowing easier debugging for games that don't require it

[latent galleon]

omg @zenith orchid

[quaint pewter]

Is Shiren Mystery Dungeon save not working on the to do list somewhere (assuming it didn't get fixed without me noticing)? Even if it's #500 on the list it's fine.

[marble cargo]

Haven't tested the new build yet, but I'm guessing Mischief Makers still doesn't work.

[tepid gorge]

It doesn't, I checked

[quick arch]

Micro Machine 64 we can go in game

[wanton sun]

a toggle is nice to be added once it is done and working 🙂

[zenith orchid]

fine fine lol

[lament escarp]

Did anyone check vivid dolls in the recent builds? It would be perfect for the long, cold winter nights...

[wanton sun]

is that new with this build?

[quick arch]

yes before it is black screen before entering the race

[tawdry depot]

Seems like it

[wanton sun]

great 🙂

[tawdry depot]

I'm going through the spread sheet and looking at things that havn't been checked in a while

Sorting by oldest core version

[zenith orchid]

yeah all the 8 bit stuff could do a lot for games we haven't checked in a while

[latent galleon]

omg why is the excitebike 64 announcer so obsessed with me there are other racers gawd

[languid dune]

Jumping Jim Rivers!....wipes out.

[latent galleon]

jim rivers is behind everyone 😦

[vapid hawk]

micro machines is working here too - awesome

[zenith orchid]

brilliant idea 👍

[latent galleon]

i actually love micro machines

[knotty zealot]

what even is TLB? that's not short for GoldenEye!

i was under the impression the end goal for this core was always toilet proximity mines?

with three imaginary friends

[daring meteor]

Television Leaper Base

[shrewd peak]

Tall Little Bozos

[latent galleon]

i can't believe i started typing an answer

[zenith orchid]

jet force gemini

[knotty zealot]

i'll give you something better. the sequel to TLB

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WEtxJ4-sh4

[zenith orchid]

I thought that game would freeze in the intro fmv

so I'm not sure if this is new or not

[eternal ravine]

We can finally control the Coreys

[chrome quest]

Seen similar on PAL version at least. Though I always get 0.9 version even. Hmm

[latent galleon]

i think my favorite update will be a fixed sky in beetle racing

[weary beacon]

MKT is all that is left for me.

[zenith orchid]

star wink

Divot off

[cold pollen]

I doubt it

[eternal ravine]

The star winks
What does it know

[zenith orchid]

I have an N64 and good quality s-video cables. but no ED64

[vapid hawk]

kinda pointless getting one now

[orchid nimbus]

Erectile Disfunciton 64

[eternal ravine]

Beat me to it

[raw oriole]

It's an age thing

[eternal ravine]

Way worse than regular ED

[orchid nimbus]

at work we had a daily AA meeting where we talked about ED

[daring meteor]

You have a daily antialiasing meeting?

[orchid nimbus]

Adverse Actions

[latent galleon]

i think divot bugs are actually interesting since that was just implemented and shouldn't be happening

[orchid nimbus]

not on employees though

[twin barn]

@orchid nimbus https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=7240 - not sure if anyone has let you know. the hash for the JP bios in your example is for the Aleck64 bios (Japanese arcade system).

[latent galleon]

i use the aleck bios!

[twin barn]

it shouldn't make any difference i think

it's probably truncating the extend at the end?

[daring meteor]

The Aleck bios is just a padded ntsc bios

[latent galleon]

yeah it is pretty funny they are just straight up identical

[daring meteor]

They both should work identically on the core afaik

[twin barn]

yeah i thought so since there are 3 real console bios

ntsc, pal, brazil (PAL-M)

[daring meteor]

Yeah

[orchid nimbus]

@twin barn thank - I'll adjust - I knew US/JP were the same

let me change it right now

[twin barn]

no worries, figured i'd mention it since they brought it up hehe

[rich delta]

100% for development purposes AND its got a nice side effect that (arguably) the best is left to last (007). As everybody knows: good things come to those who wait.

[daring meteor]

The best is mk64

[minor fog]

Holy Magic Century

[daring meteor]

True

Holy Magic Century / Quεst 64

[latent galleon]

that is pretty arguable, yes

[dusty tusk]

Had to switch to 16:9 on my tv to fill the screen more, but this looks great in widescreen now

[kind solar]

It’s beautiful

[zenith orchid]

is there an OoT widescreen patch??

or is it just stretched?

[kind solar]

new core option

[zenith orchid]

so it is stretched

[kind solar]

yea

[zenith orchid]

some games have a widescreen option ingame that increases the FOV, so you can see more than you normally would

[kind solar]

on n64?

[zenith orchid]

yep

[kind solar]

cool

[zenith orchid]

DK64 is one of them

[solemn marlin]

Any good widescreen patches?

[zenith orchid]

there's one for MK64 and SM64

[tropic sand]

@wanton sun tony Hawks 3 on 23.09.20 build tracks look better than 23.09.25 onward builds. Flashing greens. Anyone else confirm

[solemn marlin]

Goldeneye and twine has it natively right? Didn't those affect performance?

[fair stump]

The crazy texture bug you mean? That's been happening for a while yeah

[mild ether]

Widescreen?

[solemn marlin]

Yea, maybe it was a high def mode for twine tho, can't remember

[zenith orchid]

yeah they do have native 16:9

in theory it would affect performance as it draws more pixels

[chilly pivot]

How about WCW NWO Revenge? Is this working?

[mild ether]

Wow, I don't remember that at all for GoldenEye. Then again nobody had widescreens when I was playing it.

[vapid moat]

...

Did someone say

YOSHI’S STORY WORKS NOW?

[mild ether]

That's the rumor

[vapid moat]

Next build?

[fair stump]

Latest test build

[vapid moat]

FINALLY

[zenith orchid]

enjoy the lovely music!
https://youtube.com/shorts/iZHcULuDNPM?si=kYXYhcs67BFQH25a

[compact depot]

I can't hear anything different than yoshis singing "ninteeenddooo" haha

[weary beacon]

you'll are to thirsty

[chrome quest]

Sharing the screenshot, though noted above by @quick arch. Needs the Everdrive patch FYI

[zenith orchid]

I'm more inclined to believe they're singing "be careful"

[orchid nimbus]

the game title says it all

[versed cairn]

Are the weird flickering verticals lines gone?!?

[quaint pewter]

Tooie patch?

[chrome quest]

Yup, all looking good far as I can tell. Never played it before, but no noticable issues at all

[zenith orchid]

I need to get that patch

[versed cairn]

Omg another banger is playable. I know what I’m doing tonight

[quaint pewter]

It needs the ED piracy patch, or is it a tlb type patch? Has it been linked?

[chrome quest]

Banjo Tooie Patching, just need the ".aps" file:
http://micro-64.com/database/patches.shtml
https://hack64.net/tools/patcher.php

[dusty tusk]

I know it's in vogue to crap on dk64, but with the dark colored lighting, this game has a vibe

[quaint pewter]

Interesting. I thought it was features stopping it working, not anti-piracy.

[nimble needle]

Considering the orifice, I would say hungry instead

[versed cairn]

Banjo-tooie must have used 8bit textures for overlay effects

That’s so interesting

[chilly ember]

I guess Yoshi's Story is completable? I only played level one on each page lol

[vapid moat]

@wanton sun

[mortal panther]

Just an idea, but you could do it similarly to how you've already done it for the PSX core for some of its options.

Instead of (U) = unsafe -> can crash, it can say (D) = N64 Default Setting... and for each following option, add a (D) after the default setting.

"O[30],Texture Filter,On (D),Off;",
"O[31],Dithering,On (D),Off;",
"O[32],VI Bilinear,On (D),Off;",
"O[33],VI Gamma,On (D),Off;",
"O[34],VI Dedither,On (D),Off;",
"O[35],VI Anti-alias,On (D),Off;",
"O[36],VI Divot,On (D),Off;",
"O[37],VI Noise Dither,On (D),Off;",

[dusty tusk]

Same fix for Yoshi's Island also fixed Top Gear Hyper-Bike

I really like the default wording over unsafe

[hollow rune]

Updated the sheet saying you rolled credits

[zenith orchid]

I think the term "original" would be more suitable

and generally original is the default for MiSTer projects

[safe robin]

In Diddy Kong racing there are challenges against your buddy the Elephant Gin. every time I drive of the track this message shows up and then the game freezes. maybe it could be helpful for debugging at some point?

[zenith orchid]

Though of course there are old systems that essentially output RGB even though they were never designed to

[latent galleon]

i like "original" because with "auto" or "default" i constantly wonder what the default is, or what auto is deciding to do

drives me nuts

auto is the worst

also "on" isn't default, at all

[fair stump]

Hyperbike was crazy to look at. So no more flashing?

[latent galleon]

"let the game decide" is default

and there's no way to reflect that in the menu

[mortal panther]

'original' is no different than 'auto' or 'default' in that regard. You won't know whether 'original' means 'on' or 'off' unless you know what the other option is.

[rose crypt]

my partner is showing me blast corps now that it boots. what tf is this game

[vapid moat]

Balloon Ghost missing

[dusty tusk]

Nope. Looks like it was the same image retention bug Yoshi's Story was going

[vapid hawk]

is blast corps the one where you have to demolish stuff to clear the way for a big truck?

[dusty tusk]

Wow, so it's a piracy check thats failing for tooie?

[cerulean elk]

I put that in the vid for tomorrow 😂

[latent galleon]

you don't need to know, you just need to know that it's what the original game did...there's no way to enable something the game doesn't flip on

[mortal panther]

In the context of this core, 'On' is the default option... because he has already stated that the default N64 configuration is all of those hardware VI features being enabled for the game to take advantage of them. 'On' doesn't mean 'make them display on-screen whether the game wants it or not'.

[dusty tusk]

Widescreen seems to be shifted a bit weird though

[latent galleon]

that's the only advantage of "original", that it makes clear it is original behavior. not a mister default.

semi-clear, anyway...not much room to explain things in menus

[native mesa]

"default" has another meaning in osd. Best not to conflict

[dusty tusk]

Yeah, original sounds good

[languid dune]

So today's big winners are Blast Corps and Yoshi's Story it seems? Surprised about Blast Corps, since I thought it was a TLB game.

[mortal panther]

Like I mentioned above: (D) = N64 Default Setting... not MiSTer Default Setting. It's not ambiguous.

[languid dune]

Yoshi's Story feels 100% better to play by using the d-pad.

[dusty tusk]

How long has tooie worked with the crack?

[mortal panther]

But yeah, good points. It was just an idea.

[hollow rune]

Isn't it harder to throw eggs though?

[languid dune]

Not really.

[native mesa]

What are the chances of getting forced modes for VI?

[languid dune]

The game isn't exactly challenging, so it barely feels like it makes a difference.

[dusty tusk]

Tooie does seem to be running slow, though

It'd be nice if the aspect ratio select was a moved up to the top below the controller pak settings or even higher

[fair stump]

So yoshi can be marked as completable?

[hollow rune]

Jeopardy intro is fire. Too bad it doesn't work

[hollow rune]

So the sheet says it has to be 100% able I thought

[round hull]

im having a problem with aero gage every time i get to the second race my controls freezes yet the game is still running

[hollow rune]

though that seems unreasonable to me

or does it just mean roll credits?

[fair stump]

Roll credits is my understanding

[hollow rune]

Like Smash I marked that way cause I did practically everything

then yeah

[hollow rune]

I honestly think that is more useful. Like we shouldn't have to grab every skulltula to mark OoT as Completable

[languid dune]

You better name the video something like "New N64 Core? Time to get moving!" with a Blast Corps related image for the thumbnail!

[dusty tusk]

Haven't tested it in a while, but pilot wings doesn't seem to be flashing as much if at all

[cerulean elk]

Blast Corps saved for a later vid

spacing it all out

[languid dune]

It's the big winner of today's update though!

[cerulean elk]

you misspelled Yoshi

[hollow rune]

It is a lot better. Just a couple flashing elements now

[cerulean elk]

@languid dune Blast Corps will show up Monday or Tuesday 🙂 I do like spacing things out. New games, new features, couple viewer request tests...end vid

[languid dune]

Sorry I lashed out at you dad. 🫂

[unkempt yarrow]

is there something else i need to do to get rumble working besides whats enabled by default? cant get my original rumblepak working

[languid dune]

[cerulean elk]

Grounded. No MiSTer for a week 😂

[languid dune]

I'll have to settle for the Steam Deck!

[hollow rune]

how are you set up? What kind of controller are you using?

[dusty tusk]

Totally forgot rocket robot on wheels existed

[unkempt yarrow]

using oringal n64

[shrewd peak]

DK64 is great casually

[dusty tusk]

Fun game

[hollow rune]

That I am not sure. I have only gotten it to work with an 8bitdo pad

[shrewd peak]

Anyone else run into totakas song on accident as a kid and thought their console was cursed?

[hollow rune]

My dad told me when you find it in Mario Paint on the title screen he was always confused cause the music seemed out of place

[dusty tusk]

Eat your heart out half life 2, rocket had box physics first

[hollow rune]

Brian is still rockin the pink compass

[orchid nimbus]

Good 🙂

Dr Mario still has a void behind him

[hollow rune]

someone broke the testing sheet. I will try to restore it

[orchid nimbus]

Again

[past mango]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCLkRUMYMAk - got some interesting effect going on the ranking board that shows if you let Starfox 64 sit at title screen. The white bar at the top has some pixels walking strangely when AA is on, goes away when off. Tried divot on/off and seemed to make no difference. Anyone with an OG N64 able to confirm if this shows up on original hardware?

[fair stump]

Reminder not to sort the test sheet

It affects everyone

[cyan pilot]

https://vxtwitter.com/Litronom/status/1689020595403399168 Having a good time playing this

[hollow rune]

@tawdry depot you need to redo your most recent changes

ack, it happened again

[orchid nimbus]

Can we see who did it?

[hollow rune]

Yeah I think @tawdry depot is struggling with it

[orchid nimbus]

Ffs

[hollow rune]

which is fine, things go wrong

[dusty tusk]

Maybe you should have multiple sheets. Sheet 1 says in all bold "DONT SORT"

[solemn marlin]

Looks cool but froze after the first screen on my mister, can the crt have an effect on that stuff?

Dk64 seems to work so it shouldn't be related to expansion card shenanigans 🤔

[tawdry depot]

Yea, sorry I didn't realize filtering was for everyone

Mostly going through the older stuff to see if there is any change

[jade bay]

Safumi controller seems good

[zinc dew]

Woah Blast Corps is working now?

[languid dune]

Time to get moving!

[raw oriole]

Handy handy

[zinc dew]

lol that song

[tawdry depot]

I have been making copies

Just less steps when you can edit the master

[languid dune]

Yeah, I always thought Blast Corps was one of the TLB games. Guess I was wrong!

[tawdry depot]

Google sheets is supposed to be "collaberative"

[hollow rune]

I am bad at chess, but I know nothing about Shogi

looks like a shogi game though

[tawdry depot]

There also needs to be some cleanup of error codes. They should all be 7 digits only since it's a bitmask of errors

[fair stump]

Older builds had smaller digit counts

[tawdry depot]

There is that, but also people took multiple errors codes and used | to seperate them

[hollow rune]

Yeah I wasn't sure which would be helpful

[fair stump]

I don't think a set method for that was ever decided

[tawdry depot]

I didn't undetsnad at first either, but it's bitflags

The only thing for a bitmask is it is harder for people to run a bitwise operator on them

[hollow rune]

https://tenor.com/view/caveman-lawyer-golf-gif-4657203993577559406

[tawdry depot]

If we get all the bitmask data inline we could identify the most significant areas that need work to have the most impact

https://github.com/RobertPeip/Mister64#error-messages

[hollow rune]

So practically what would this look like?

[tawdry depot]

Consolidate them down to just 6 or 7 digit numbers. Preferably retest the game to see if there are any different errors

It's kind of why I will just pick games tested on the oldest build and see what changes.

[drowsy lantern]

Yeah missing a checkpoint in a Taj challenge causes the game to freeze. This has been documented for quite a while. It’s weird because otherwise the game is fully beatable.

[fickle yew]

ive been having an issue where games are no longer loading, previous build and new build both, latest unstable nightly mister, for example mario 64 freezes at launch

[fair stump]

This is how panda and I have been doing it

[tawdry depot]

That's a long standing issue, something may have been patching under the hood

[cerulean elk]

Video is uploaded for tomorrow. So much for taking the weekend off 🤣

But for Yoshi I make exceptions. Pink Yoshi though. All other Yoshi’s and you are doing it wrong

[tawdry depot]

Better see some Blast Corps

[cerulean elk]

Monday

I like to spread stuff out. Saving blast corps for a diff vid

[fickle yew]

is blast corpse running cause that freezes for me too

same with yoshi story

[chrome quest]

Ditto. The PAL list is pretty much the subset of NTSC games that still had issues. I go through new cores on anything not playable every so often

[fickle yew]

i suspect something is off

[tawdry depot]

Yea, all the Rareware games are going to need their own special series

[cerulean elk]

I try to diversify each vid. New features, new working game, couple viewer request tests

And Sundays are bad for long vids. Get in an out under 15 minutes

[fickle yew]

i can get to the first loading screen in blast corpse but then it freezes

[chrome quest]

Perhaps silly idea, but for the spreadsheet, even for playable completable games, is there any value in another column to flag say specific video issues? Things like that.
More the core advances it's nice to have the examples to hand of "odd" stuff happening, even if the game fully works. I try to just put everything in the comments for now to search later, but gets very bloated fast

Suppose as long as the vaguely remembering testers are here it doesn't matter much

[hollow rune]

I think now it is about glaring issues. Once things whittle down, we will have to start doing playthroughs and cataloging stuff

like in OoT, the inside of the forest gates and also Ganondorf's face when he snatches the Triforce

Kirby has a weird horizontal line on 2-1 in one of the areas

[tawdry depot]

It's kind of moot, as all the rendering pipeline work isn't complete yet.

[hollow rune]

For that one I stared my own Google sheet

[tawdry depot]

Additionally, for the N64 core there may come a point were there isn't enough resource left on the FPGA fabric to support some features. Although I haven't see the utilization report in the cores build log so it's hard to say currently.

[left depot]

What is incomplete? Async?

[hollow rune]

wait, Japan got an RBI Baseball game. That is hilarious

[tawdry depot]

A lot of instructions, that's why there are error codes for a lot of games still

[native mesa]

Why is that funny

[hollow rune]

I just wasn't ready for it to look so much like the NES one

[left depot]

The pipeline is complete more or less. Specific instructions aside, yes?

[cyan pilot]

Not sure if crt would impact that. I just did an hour long run of the whole thing 150cc and had no issues, playing over hdmi though.

[left depot]

Meaning focusing on the crashes and bugs is increasingly helpful to focus on those instructions still needed in edge cases

[tawdry depot]

This discussion is going to push me toward summing up the errors to track which parts are still the most incompleate

[hollow rune]

I just discovered this. We pandas are worried enough about our own reproduction crisis to worry about anime humans, so I don't get it

[solemn marlin]

Congrats on 1st place. I think I read that crt compatability wasn't prioritized, can't check hdmi right now, might be some other setting in the mister.ini that doesn't jive with the core.. so far only the no face mario patch worked for me

[weary beacon]

Btw are you also doing a merge for the latest saturn core?

[native mesa]

I think LoD textures are needed still. Like the peach portrait that turns to bowser when you get close

[dusty tusk]

That's an lod trick?

[native mesa]

As far as I know

[left depot]

Yes, I forgot about that one

I wonder if I can keep Robert's napkin once he crosses all this stuff off the list

[arctic sky]

Core runs great , using composite out . Only have black and white . That’s the deal for now right? Sorry if this has been answered

[chrome quest]

There's mikes composite builds in the pins for colour

[arctic sky]

Oh ok great thank you

[weary beacon]

Any progess on TLB?

[modern sleet]

Low priority, lots of low hanging fruit for Robert to chew on, including finishing the VI module and RDP

[marble cargo]

Was trying to get the Mario Kart Amped Up ROM hack to boot on the latest build, and it just gets stuck on the crash screen. Anyone had any luck getting it to boot?

[left depot]

Try to boot MK64 first then the hack

[weary beacon]

MKT=Priority Override

[junior yarrow]

One small check do you have amped up 2.96 or 2.96A I think only the latter of the two are in the database

[marble cargo]

Oh I must of grabbed the wrong patch.

[junior yarrow]

2.96A is in the replies to this tweet

[desert crow]

Saturn I'm going to wait until SRG puts it in the main mister repo I think. You can find a recent build in the saturn thread though.