Nintendo 64

[native mesa]

This is an N64 chat tho

[trim seal]

I wasn't going to say it.... :p

[rapid prairie]

On today’s core Banjo Kazooie doesn’t take up the full screen on my consumer CRT. Not sure if this is worth noting. Running component via the analog io board

Also when loading games my crt doesn’t show the loading bar but my lcd monitor still does. Guessing that is a mister unstable issue? That happens across all cores

[trim seal]

I have that uneven-ness on Banjo Kazooie as well, hdmi out though. And other games on the core don't seem to have that particular problem, though a few different visual issues have cropped up with this core.... So....maybe?

[hollow badger]

I have this issue on my end as well, running the same setup.

[chilly ember]

Yea same thing. On HDMI its not quite centered, shifted slightly to left and then on crt it looks like that

[rapid prairie]

Anyone else getting no loading bar for games on their CRT regardless of core? Curious if that is a me issue or mister unstable issue. Just started happening to me yesterday

[modern sleet]

Ill just force anything over 240 lines to use the normal vsync range for now

[chilly ember]

Over HDMI

[primal bolt]

I get them on NES and Arcade... but not N64. That isn't a new thing for N64, though

I dont get them on Saturn either but i usually have to reset cause it goes to the bios

[rapid prairie]

Cool, doesn’t bother me just thought was weird. Arcade still shows the loading status bar for me too

[primal bolt]

not sure why N64 doesn't

[forest forge]

Not gamma correction

[worn delta]

I know the 240p TS is WIP, but there may be tests that are useful for troubleshooting display issues

[forest forge]

It is very useful to have it in my case, sorry. gamma correction

[native mesa]

Is it just me misremembering or does starfox laser charge faster than normal

[trim seal]

Triple Play 2000 also has the glass screen door effect going on. 640x474i

[zenith orchid]

I have an old ipad with that screen, I gotta figure out how to put it to good use

[vapid moat]

Alignent's corrected now, sweet~!

[modern sleet]

There is an issue with some games, I have a fix for that as well

[vapid moat]

Huh, which ones? Maybe could check those out-

[weary beacon]

Same problem for me over HDMI 1080p, Banjo Kazooie picture is not centered or maybe it's cropped on the right side?

[chilly ember]

I tried a few games to see it happened with others but didn't find anything but if it's happening with two games there's probably some more that do that

[mortal panther]

The new build enabled gamma in the context of the N64's hardware. It's a feature of the Video Interface (VI).
It's not the same as the gamma correction filters in MiSTer.

[zinc dew]

[orchid nimbus]

[neat sierra]

But why male models?

[forest forge]

correct I understand but I still use gamma correction on cores like snes or psx due to personal screen settings

[zinc dew]

Yeah, the core is WIP. Expect to see QoL features like that get added after the system has been fully implemented. If there’s space left over, which I’m assuming there will be.

[mortal panther]

[forest forge]

I will continue trying things with the core, I appreciate the response, greetings

[zinc dew]

Yeah my pleasure! Sorry that’s not in yet but fingers crossed it’ll be soon. Take care, amigo!

[mortal panther]

Robby's a friendly fella.

[languid dune]

Except when Dark Robby takes over.

[prisma ivy]

I haven't been online much at alllll today. Scrolled up a bit. Saw gamma something. Is Starfox looking better now?

[languid dune]

More accurate yes. Better? That's in the eye of the beholder!

[prisma ivy]

I mean, does the game still look dark. I cant see inside the cockpits when the camera goes by

[languid dune]

It's not dark anymore. That's what it fixed.

[prisma ivy]

Oh dang that's awesome

Its so fun to see progress like this

For a minute there I thought we were doing "mods are asleep, post x" but then be deleted his posts

[zealous hull]

We'll sneak some gifs in here or there, but never long enough to get caught. 😉

[languid dune]

Robby is always watching! Watching with those ||eyes!||

👁️

[zinc dew]

👁️👄👁️

[languid dune]

Robby just doxxed himself by posting a selfie.

[trim seal]

Supercross 2000 also has the glass screen door. 640x474i.

[languid dune]

Never mind that his profile pic is an artist's rendition.

[prisma ivy]

Robby isn't real and can't hurt me, Robby isn't real and can't hurt me

Imagine a giant set of eyes and a mouth floating into your bedroom at night

Now imagine it with divot applied

[maiden wyvern]

Imagine it but the mouth is encouraging you and telling you what an asset you are

[spiral garnet]

anyone get a crash before marios 3d head appears after the title screen?

[vapid hawk]

has anyone had this while playing waverace in time trial mode, suddenly the hud started flickering like crazy

it resolved itself after like 10-15 seconds

[languid dune]

You need a patched version that skips it. That part uses TLB, which isn't implemented yet.

[languid dune]

I see Dark Robby has come out to play!

[vapid hawk]

bibically accurate Robby

[languid dune]

Is that actually a balloon Robby?

[wraith estuary]

What is Divot?

[languid dune]

Oh my god!! Robby changed his user name!!

I'm scared!

[zinc dew]

lol

[orchid nimbus]

................ oh ffs

[languid dune]

Will the profile pic be next!?

[deft tree]

I hate metroid prime.

: )

[languid dune]

Okay, 👁👄👁. Time to ban Robby.

[brisk edge]

To the discussion earlier about Banjo Kazooie, I think it runs at a slightly less common resolution than most 64 games, that might be why it's doing that

[languid dune]

So what other games use the gamma mode other than Star Fox 64? Thought I heard Buck Bumble uses it too?

[zinc dew]

Buck Bumble and Chameleon Twist

[languid dune]

The transformation is complete!!!

Truly worthy of spooky month.

It's kind of amusing that Doom 64 of all games does not use it.

[vapid hawk]

loads of games use it i'm pretty sure, its just a matter of how much

[inner garden]

https://youtu.be/kC8jPSAIOoY?si=hq9wKAbcIOGI3wp_

[trim seal]

Amazing. Reminds me of ElMobo's work on Fury of the Furries.

[trim seal]

https://youtu.be/5TPs9inJabM

Sorry, I know it's off topic but it just jumped into my head.

[orchid nimbus]

that ain't Jeroen Tellllllllllllllllllllll

[night saddle]

filters will work better with the added resolution at 1920x1440 and youtube uploads look way better in 1440p compared to 1080

[languid dune]

Yeah, 1080p youtube uploads get ravaged by compression artifacting.

[trim seal]

That ain't no Hank Williams song!

[maiden wyvern]

@zinc dew you committing for the month?

Spooky

[zinc dew]

Probably not lol, they already have a poll going on another server to ban me for being too weird LOL

This is a cool read - https://n64.readthedocs.io

[twin barn]

I almost banned you

[elfin relic]

you're cheating on us with other servers?

[twin barn]

Right now

[elfin relic]

do it birdy, put him in time out

[orchid nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-get-to-work-gif-21630516

[elfin relic]

eye mouth eye hylian sheild has gone too far

[zinc dew]

lol ok fine, sorry

[languid dune]

lol, I don't even question the validity of that statement.

[languid dune]

At least we can safely say that the last 30 minutes have been the greatest 30 minutes in Robby history. Those who missed it will be shamed for all eternity. And those who didn't can forever say, "I was there for eye mouth eye 2023. 🥹 "

[zinc dew]

lol it’s gone

[languid dune]

Actual new profile pic!?

[mortal panther]

Why does Robby look like a Furby now?

[elfin relic]

always has

[fair stump]

Everyone please join me in solidarity

[cerulean elk]

This is the only @zinc dew I recognize

The new avatar has to go. Creeping me out

[cinder pagoda]

Is Yoshi being held back by the lack of TLB or is it another issue?

[wanton sun]

can someone get a photo of NTSC Banjo Kazooie from real console on CRT? Best would be from the game select screen where banjo sleeps. The game sets the horizontal crop on the right side so it only uses 590 pixels wide and leaves the last 50 black. So from that perspective, the black area on the right side makes sense. maybe it should be more centered? But probably not filling the whole screen

[chilly ember]

Real hardware picture, used everdrive tho

[iron trail]

@chilly ember D-series?

[chilly ember]

Yea D Series

[surreal summit]

Compared to 240p test suite. There is a slight border on the left side. When I had my N64 hooked up to a PVM with S-Video there was basically a border around the whole thing with BK.

[vapid hawk]

wow they really saved every possible pixel on that huh

basically only rendering inside the safezone

[dense chasm]

Gonna update things, has the analog range been adjusted, or should I skip "update all" again?

Think last time I updated was right after the unstable nightly of 9/24

[modern sleet]

@wanton sun Not sure why, but Banjo sets the vertical res output to 213? not 237?

[vapid hawk]

there hasn't been a new main release since then so it shouldn't overwrite

[wanton sun]

vertical? yes it cuts off parts of the screen

[vapid hawk]

that code is currently merged and not released afaik , so you can get it in any unstable nightly

[dense chasm]

Thank ya!!

[wanton sun]

so it seems the core does not cut off too much, it's just not centered

thank you @surreal summit and @chilly ember !

[vapid hawk]

what are you working on today Robert ?

[arctic oracle]

Mister 1st pic, original hardware 2nd. Both ntsc on same crt taken 2 mins apart. Mister I'd shifted down and to the left

[wanton sun]

family day 🙂 work will continue tomorrow, hopefully dedither then

[vapid hawk]

yeah dedither feels sorely missing in starfox right now

[trim seal]

Next game with glass horizontal screen door - Roadsters. 640x474i

[vapid hawk]

the new VI stuff seems awesome i got a chance to check it out today at last 🙂 it's starting to look intensely authentic
[repost from above just to make runningman8s message readable]

[wanton sun]

both dedither and AA need the hidden 9th bit and fetching that from Memory for VI is most of the work

dedither itself is not that bad, just ressource heavy

[vapid hawk]

can you apply both on one pass ?

[zenith orchid]

Is lack of divot really noticeable in any game right now?

[wanton sun]

you need to compare the center pixel against it's 8 neighbors for dedither

[zenith orchid]

Oh that's pretty cool

[vapid hawk]

in a square or in a row ?

[zenith orchid]

It's kinda ingenious how much thought was put into getting a clean picture

[wanton sun]

3x3 square

but comparing 24bit against 8x24 bit will cost a lot

[vapid hawk]

i guess you can kind of cache and reuse a lot of samples ?

like when the 9x9 tile moves one pixel right you only need 3 new samples really?

[wanton sun]

the fetching is not the issue, i already implemented that

well, for the color, not for the coverage yet

and AA <-> dedither is either or. Only one of them is applied for each pixel

[vapid hawk]

arent the samples in 5 bit color at that point of comparison ?

[wanton sun]

no, it couldbe from a 32bit framebuffer, so everything happens in 8bit per color

[vapid hawk]

oh

does any other core support 32bit color in the slightest ? that may be unique

[wanton sun]

it's only really 24 bit for color and 3 bit for coverage. PSX also supports 24bit color nativly, but cannot render in 24bit, so mostly CPU draws the image or FMV

[modern sleet]

Yeah sorry, vertical :), is this normal? I thought the resolution is static now and the systems scales Y and X to match?

[wanton sun]

vsync should be static, vblank should not matter for CRTs and with smaller vblank you get full height on HDMI instead of black borders all around the image

[vapid hawk]

isn't it kind of weird to apply dedithering to a 32bit rendered image ?

[wanton sun]

you don't have to, dedither can be disabled(from the game)

[vapid hawk]

but some devs did anyway ?

[wanton sun]

no idea if someone would dither and dedither 32bit framebuffers, but i doubt it

32bit isn't used much anyway

[vapid hawk]

seems like mainly menus i think

[wanton sun]

you can see it currently: everything with 32bit is completly broken and that are not too many games

[vapid hawk]

i love how in the core OSD right now you can enable/disable each VI feature and see exactly how it affects the image in realtime

[modern sleet]

If vblank changes in size, a static vsync may start to drift the image up or down on a CRT.

[vapid hawk]

i think this core might put to rest a lot of myths about the n64 blur and where it comes from

[trim seal]

@wanton sun I've found a handful of games where the vertical lines aren't distributed properly, giving the effect of looking through a piece of glass with horizontal compression, sort of. - is this a known issue?

[wanton sun]

why should this happen? vblank isn't sent to crt?

[wanton sun]

looks like the game uses downscaling. Did not test such a case yet, could be it is broken

[vapid hawk]

is this rayman2?

[trim seal]

Yup

So far I've found the issue in:
Rayman 2
Rat Attack
Supercross 2000
Triple Play 2000
Roadsters

[wanton sun]

downscaling requires to fetch 2 lines sometimes, probably that doesn't happen. I thought it would work as interlaced also requires that, but maybe not

[modern sleet]

NHL99 in the mix

[vapid hawk]

i noticed a few rows seemed missing off the top of the text in rayman2 but nothing that extreme before

[wanton sun]

thanks, having multiple examples helps finding a good case i can create a savestate with my emulator from 🙂

[vapid hawk]

does that mean rayman2 is actually supersampled ?

[wanton sun]

here is the thing: you almost never want downscaling on HDMI, you want the original image. But CRT cannot do that 😦

i might postpone that until all VI features are in and hopefully i can find a good solution to output the true resolution via HDMI instead of compressing it

[vapid hawk]

some crts can do 480p 😛 rare tho

[wanton sun]

not 480p, it's only some lines missing. On hdmi i can just make the blanks and sync smaller and give out e.g. 256 lines via NTSC

psx core does that to be able to do 256 lines for pal60

[modern sleet]

Maybe I'm confused, for example MK64 on on PAL is 237 lines for active video, vblank is lines 238-312. Bomberman hero on PAL has 295? lines for active video which shrinks the vblank from 296 - 312. and vsync should really be in the middle somewhere

[wanton sun]

well vertical start and end are a hack currently, so i wouldn't trust them too much

295 is probably wrong, the guard band for vertical is not implemented

[modern sleet]

Ok :), I wasnt too sure

[wanton sun]

penny racers PAL also has this and shows too many lines on the bottom which contain garbage

but i don't want to invest too much time into the sync video out. Rather leave it there and optimize the async once the VI is finished

[vapid hawk]

resident evil2 fmv seems to be only 200p - and i think it shouldn't even really be that tall there's a lot of junk at the bottom of the frame

[wanton sun]

i wonder why some games crop right, like banjo and some don't

they must use different settings to crop

[vapid hawk]

possibly saving performance by rendering less ?

or does crop happen after rendering

[wanton sun]

there are so many settings...you have a vertical height, a vertical start and stop and a scaling factor

probably some combination doesn't work right currently

[zenith orchid]

I wonder if they were doing internal tests on the highest selling CRTs of the time, or CRTs that were highest selling which people held onto the longest

[surreal summit]

Don't know if this is helpful, but this is raw composite capture of MiSTer vs original hardware.

[vapid hawk]

found this, indepth description of how the re2 fmv works, they're doing some real weird stuff

https://ultra64.ca/files/other/Game-Developer-Magazine/GDM_September_2000_Achieving_Full-Motion_Video_on_the_Nintnedo_64.pdf

[modern sleet]

The number of settings in the VI hurts my brain 🙂

But you already did so much leg work just pulling the fields

[wanton sun]

so RE2 does abuse VI and generate timings by repeated writes to the config...sounds like a lot of fun

[vapid hawk]

i think its considered one of the most impossible ports of all time 🙂

[modern sleet]

RE2's scaling is all over the place

[wanton sun]

this is more like Atari2600 style programming

[vapid hawk]

yeah

factor5 was involved 😄

[wanton sun]

so what that means is that the game doesn't even set the desired resolution, just keeps the video out in vsync all the time and therefore the visible area gets smaller on a crt

does that work with digital hdmi modded n64?

[vapid hawk]

yeah

it might need a little bit of cropping i can't remember

[wanton sun]

it already sounds like a big rabbit hole to completly fall into and never come back. I rather think about something else today 😆

[vapid hawk]

lol

i can grab some screenshots off it on n64digital if you need later

no worries or anything i just thought it was interesting

[wanton sun]

the thing is that i currently don't allow games to modify the timing on runtime because of hdmi sync and plenty of other reasons

[vapid hawk]

the fmv already runs quite good it just has some sort of like messy area at the bottom

[wanton sun]

yes, this is probably where it would force vsync to make it black

the text sounds like they could not use the bilinear scaling, because the image was already gone in the framebuffer

[vapid hawk]

sometimes the messy area seems to be way off the bottom of the fmv frame and sometimes it encroaches on the actual fmv itself, its inconsistent

[wanton sun]

this will probably change with every timing difference in the core, e.g. when i adjust DMA timings

[vapid hawk]

makes sense yeah

[wanton sun]

very good, so i have an excuse to not touch it until timings are perfect 🙂

[vapid hawk]

its probably quite lucky it works even as well as it does

i'll try to get saves setup as close to each of the fmv's as i can for testing later on

[zenith orchid]

It must be nice knowing what you can put off because it makes sense to

and man the teamwork here is inspiring to see. As Robert doesn't have CRTs of his own.

[trim seal]

Add Mike Piazza's Strikezone to the horizontal banding list.

[zenith orchid]

Suddenly I'm craving pizza

[trim seal]

Dunno why that strikes me as amusing that Lord Salami wants a pizza.

But it does

[zenith orchid]

ooof, that one is not easy on the eyes

sorry about that

[trim seal]

Major League Baseball starring Ken Griffey Jr also has it. Kinda hypnotic actually

[languid dune]

Oh you have no idea what you missed!

[zenith orchid]

This stuff might come after TLB

since TLB is very likely to affect timings

[trim seal]

I guess we'll never know.
Until we do.

[zenith orchid]

And until then, CRT probably won't be ideal for this core

[trim seal]

Oh this is HDMI 🙂

[zenith orchid]

Oh, duh.. this is clearly a very different issue

[vapid hawk]

huh

yeah if its on hdmi its something else

[trim seal]

Oh yeah, all the stuff I've been posting about this glass-band sort of effect on some of the games has been HDMI. Rayman and all.

[vapid hawk]

is that pal rayman or anything?

i don't see it on mine

[trim seal]

Nope, all USA testing

[vapid hawk]

huh

maybe i'm dumb, or my filters hid it

[trim seal]

Just on those 6 or 7 games I listed above, and the few extras.

[vapid hawk]

oh or maybe it only happens with the expansion pak in ? i have it disabled usually

[trim seal]

Mayhaps. I'll check.

[zenith orchid]

Isn't it on by default?

[trim seal]

yup

[vapid hawk]

yeah but on balance it makes more games worse than better so i turn it off

[trim seal]

You're right you know, with expansion pack disabled, at least on Rayman 2 - the problem isn't there.

I'll see if that affects any of the others.

Ok, So it makes no difference on Rat Attack, I presume it' s just a rendering mode that Rat Attack does by default, that Rayman does only with the expansion in. Doesn't look like the expansion itself is the issue.

[vapid hawk]

makes sense yeah

[trim seal]

@wanton sun Looks like that rendering issue in Rayman 2 doesn't exist in that game if you have the expansion pack disabled (doesn't seem to affect the others), so perhaps comparing what that game does differently after detecting the expansion pack will clue you in to what's going on.

[sinful stag]

how on earth do I get this core onto my 31khz monitor CRT without it being squished horizontally
I tried forced_scandoubler=1 and it wouldn't sync
vga_scaler=1 syncs but is too narrow

sorry if a million billion people have already asked

[knotty zealot]

eye surgery

[vapid hawk]

if vga-scaler sync but is too narrow just make it wider on the crt?

crts kind of have no idea how wide to make anything half the time you have to tell them

[obsidian cosmos]

Just beat Star Fox 64 on the core. Thanks Robert!

Died once to Andross' bullshit sucking attack

I feel like braking should save you but the trick is to just mash barrel roll off to the side or bank some bombs

[vapid hawk]

what route did you take?

[obsidian cosmos]

Pleb route. All right until the Fire planet then I missed the switches on the train for the easy ending

[vapid hawk]

there's loads i've still never seen

its kind of a shame how obscure some of the branches are to find

if you were really skeptical you might suspect they wanted to sell more guides

[obsidian cosmos]

I crashed into the waterfall in level 1

Forgot you have to hit all the arches first 😅

[vapid hawk]

hit all the arches + save falco iirc

[chilly ember]

I played through some of it tonight, beat the thief in the forest fight and made it to the next town, explored for a bit then i finally got a crash in the Inn. Music still playing. Guess it's prone to crash randomly

[eternal island]

thats exactly how the crash was

music still playing

just frozen

seems to just be random

[stone pier]

I never use Discord, so sorry if this is the wrong place. I just tried the new core with the CRT timing fixes. In NHL 99, the screen is now filled instead of having huge black margins on the left and right, and the game is no longer choppy with the music after starting a new game and seems to be running near full speed, however the graphics are now corrupt. Lines are missing so the text is hard to read. There are no black lines, it's just chunky looking. Horizontal lines are fine, it's vertical placement of the lines that seems wrong. Star Wars Rogue Squadron intro has the same behavior. Mario Kart 64 looks perfect. Edit: Looking up at older posts with screenshots, it looks like those, so NHL99 and Rogue Squadron are two more examples.

[eternal island]

it did seem to crash more when he zipped through menus too fast, but no way to repeat, so probably me just looking at random actions and thinking "maybe that did it.."

[slate sundial]

Thanks for the response 👍

possibly I dunno, looking forward to doing a few tests / combinations when the feature is available

[chilly ember]

Appears so, just gotta make sure to save often. I was walking super slow in inn on purpose when I got a crash if that had anything to do with it

[eternal island]

ive heard if you take the cartridge with you on a trip around the world and take many pics holding it, it will not crash nearly as often

[sinful stag]

like, in the CRT's OSD or with modelines? it's probably too narrow to be stretched in the OSD and I'd need to change it back for other systems

[vapid hawk]

in the crts osd

[chilly ember]

I'll have to try that :p

[sinful stag]

it's because it's 640x237 I guess

[vapid hawk]

you could also try changing whatever your output resolution is, vga-scaler mode means its using whatever you have set for video_mode

[sinful stag]

is it stuck at that resolution, 640x237?

[bitter fjord]

I don't get loading bars on my CRT at 240p (ie. when not using the scaler)

it's always been this way for me

[stone pier]

same for me

[chilly ember]

No loading bars for me either

[vapid hawk]

the rom loading bar ?

[stone pier]

correct

[vapid hawk]

what do you get instead ?

[stone pier]

black

[vapid hawk]

thats weird i'm sure that used to work

havn't used my crt in ages though

[stone pier]

I haven't seen it working

[flint thunder]

Yes I have to rely on to led light of my mister to confirm it's loading correctly

[chilly ember]

It will work on like an arcade core or whatever but not on n64 core

[dreamy kayak]

https://x.com/quest64official/status/1708619292730605922?s=46

Quest 64 Official (@Quest64Official)

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Twitter · Oct 1, 2023, 11:05 PM

[remote hatch]

yeah, I haven't seen loading bar since the very beginning

[trim seal]

Add Donald Duck "Goin' Quackers" to the horizontal glass list.

Same as Rayman 2 - without the expansion pack, it doesn't have the issue.

[flint thunder]

I found some misterini settings in the past that enabled me to see them but i ditched them as they were not working properly with every game.

[marble cargo]

Reminder Rayman 2 does have a "low resolution" mode in the menu that fixes the artifact bug.

I would honestly recommend using that low resolution mode anyway, since it helps improve the performance of the game.

[trim seal]

Yes, presumably that's what the game does automatically without the expansion pack. I'm just listing it as part of the bug that is also affecting other games that don't have that option. I'm not really concerned with actually playing the games that much atm.

Just documenting for Robert.

[keen hazel]

I dont' have them either. I do have them on other cores though.

[ornate obsidian]

Might be the wrong place to ask, but seeing the earlier discussion regarding the added lag on C2 in 4:3, anyone knows if this has been fixed on C3/G3 models? Cause I have a C1 where everything works perfectly but I'm also thinking of swapping out my C9 (which doesn't accept 1920x1440) at all at some point

[vapid hawk]

pretty sure its been the same since the C2 on all future models

2560x1440 works pretty well on a C9

well its good for scanlines but meh for shadowmasks, still not bad

[knotty zealot]

1080 because i'm not a pleb

[hollow rune]

Sometimes when I am telling someone who knows nothing about MiSTer about MiSTer I can hear myself, and I am like, I sound like I am in a cult don't I?

[native mesa]

Probably

[prisma ivy]

You see there's this guy Robby and he's so nice and reassures us we are doing great. Then there's the developer. He's like.. a god or a machine or something and some people put money in the collection plate so that he will shower us with N64 emulation

[native mesa]

There are 2 other camps. People that don't realize you can even play games not on original hardware, and those happy enough with software emulation or retropis

[compact depot]

And then there is…. @knotty zealot 😒

[trim seal]

Don't forget the tinkerer sect. The people who have an obsessive interest in a core while it's in development, but don't really play games once it's done, they just like the IDEA of being able to do it.

[vapid hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-techpriest-binaric-screeching-screeching-gif-20192683

[vapid hawk]

i honestly enjoy the testing, gives me a reason to play

[trim seal]

Me also. I had a pantload of fun during the psx core dev. This one is a little closer to my heart though.

[hearty oar]

it's odd, I didn't have a huge amount of interest in messing around with the PSX core and playing games until it was "done", but for some reason with the N64 core I'm having a lot of fun playing various games as the core develops and seeing how they improve

[trim seal]

I think there was a lot more interest in why they made the decisions they did, graphically, the infamous vaseline, etc. Seeing it come together layer by layer and thinking about the reasons why is low-key exhilarating. As an engineer, anyway. 🙂

[remote hatch]

then I have the opposite 🙂 I'm just not very interested in N64 games

I don't know much about this console , I don't even know how games should look properly , I can only catch obvious errors

PlayStation I love with all my heart hehe

[hearty oar]

I think it's the same for me, the n64 is particularly interesting to me due to how forward looking the rendering pipeline is, you can really see how SGI's hardware also would inform their design for OpenGL

also exposing what is essentially a fully programmable vertex pipeline is insanely cool

[remote hatch]

and of course I am full of admiration for Robert and this project , I enjoy reading about it and following the changes

[gritty river]

I'm very excited to get my first look at the core later today, but I've seen the footage and I have to commend Robert on doing the "impossible" yet again

As is tradition for me I'll attempt to compile a 4k version just to see if it will work

[worn delta]

A 4K version of the core?

[maiden wyvern]

They've got a 4k psx core

IVE SEEN IT

[gritty river]

And SNES too

It's not very useful since it's capped at 30Hz, but it's a way to use more detailed shadow masks - it's more of a look into what a future FPGA platform might handle with ease

[marble cargo]

That is one reason why the Retrotink 4K interests me.

[gritty river]

Same

[worn delta]

Oh, you mean running the core through the retrotink 4K? I thought you were trying to somehow compile a 4K version in Quartus for some high end board or something

[maiden wyvern]

Just with mister!

[worn delta]

Are Retrotink 4Ks on sale now?

[hot spoke]

No

[worn delta]

Thanks. As an aside, is there any word on how much they will retail at when they are?

[maiden wyvern]

Budget for $1000 and be pleasantly surprised

[terse canyon]

who is they ?

[maiden wyvern]

Natrox

[terse canyon]

ah thought it was some company or new venture then lol

[gritty river]

Just on MiSTer yeah, you do need to win the HDMI chip lottery

Some people's boards can't handle the iPad resolution, 4k is insanely more

260MHz pixel clock on a chip rated for 140

[worn delta]

Ah, that's interesting, I didn't realise DE-10 nano had issues there

[gritty river]

iPad resolution is slightly out of spec, most people can run it

But these chips running faster than they are rated for, I reckon it's just because it's old but the baking process has gotten much better

It's an old chip, it's not even supposed to know what HDR is

[terse canyon]

are there any vids or pics of this sorcery 😃

[gritty river]

Yeah, I do have some

[maiden wyvern]

This is the stuff big terasic doesn't want you to know about

[gritty river]

Sephiroth getting murdered in 4k

I used my TV to take a screenshot

To run SNES at 4k I had to rip out MSU and BS-X

So whether I can do it with the N64 core.... Not sure

Even on PSX it increased timing slack a ton which lead to small visible artifacting in the scaler

[bitter fjord]

I kinda wonder if a pin compatible version of a higher specked hdmi chip exists for the DE-10

[gritty river]

It does not

[bitter fjord]

because even if it's BGA it wouldn't have been too hard to swap out

[gritty river]

I've checked, considered that option

[bitter fjord]

darn :/

how about designing an interposer then?

assuming 4K compatible chips are affordable

[gritty river]

Well that'd be going the way of the Retrotink

No point in that given we've got someone capable on that

[bitter fjord]

well, it would be built into the MiSTer

that'd be the point

unless there is somehow a way for the retrotink 4K to know what core you are running, having 4K built in might be viable option to increase versatility

[maiden wyvern]

I think birdybro was talking about a way

[bitter fjord]

in theory you could detect phase/timings to know what core/console is running

another way would be for mister to send an identifier through hdmi for each core, kinda like an edid hack of sort

[marble cargo]

Maybe with a future update on the Retrotink 4K.

It's still in the "beta" phase and it steadily getting new features and bug fixes, so maybe there might be an option to automatically recognize cores on an FPGA device and change to the appropriate profile in the future.

Until then, manually selecting profiles is the way to go.

[gritty river]

You'd need to handle shadow masks too, else it wouldn't be very useful

[bitter fjord]

tbh I am still on the fence as to whether to go for Retrotink or the morph, so much so that I might end up getting both xD

though I will probably settle to the first that comes out

Retrotink has more io options for me though because I need VGA, SCART and YPbPr

though I could just use adapters on the Morph

worst case scenario I could grab the RT4K for my arcade boards/consoles and the digital version of the Morph to upscale MiSTer

[knotty zealot]

savage

[half mason]

@keen hazel if only someone could work some magic wizardry like this on the saturn core for CRT Q-Q

[pale granite]

@gritty river so this 4K mode works on some DE10 boards but it's a lottery?

[gritty river]

Yep

[native mesa]

Morph don't do 4k

[final walrus]

are the cores you compiled available to download somewhere? I'd love to fiddle around with it and get frustrated that nothing works on my unit.

[native mesa]

I'll probably get a Retrotink 4k down the road or we'll see if mars gets traction and people port to it

Robert said maybe he could have a mode that outputs 320 width on digital that skips the bilinear filter so that would make scaling easier on 1440 displays

[cerulean elk]

I’m curious about the 4K but I’ll wait to see the price

Moving to 4K for YT seems kinda useless and a resource hog storage wise so it would just be for my own gaming time

[wanton sun]

i could just skip every second pixel enable, there you go 320 pixels width

[wild ruin]

what’s needed to run zelda OOT?

[wanton sun]

boot.rom, database, up-to-date mister main and any core of the last week

[wild ruin]

https://vampier.net/N64/patches/zelda_ocarina_mq_dbg.lvlselect.nosram.xdelta

this patch too?

[worn delta]

If you check the pins then there is a line you can add to your downloader .ini that will grab up to date of everything you need when you run update all

You don't need to patch anything to play OOT now, but you need a no face patch to play Mario 64 🙂

[wild ruin]

oh

[worn delta]

If you check the compatibility sheet (also pinned) you can get an idea of what all is very playable now

[wild ruin]

as I downloaded and put everything in manually I must have missed some bits

[broken cradle]

I started using 1920x1200 on mine with scale 5 and it all looks perfect now

[wild ruin]

downloader .ini is in the main folder right?… it’s been a while

[worn delta]

TBH I would go the update all route I mentioned, that will ensure you have the right files and are always up to date

[wild ruin]

yeah

[worn delta]

Root/fat off hand

[wild ruin]

forgot how to do it need to refresh

I hate doing the update all as I have to take the mister to the arcade monitor via VGA and run a super long ethernet cable… madness. Dont have other monitors I can use lol

[worn delta]

You might want to pick up a WiFi dongle

[mellow raft]

Yeah I was gonna say 😛

[brisk drum]

Lol @dongle

[mellow raft]

You can also technically run the update via SSH from a PC

[brisk drum]

Funny word

[primal bolt]

I run update all from PC

[mellow raft]

so you don't need a monitor technically 😛

[worn delta]

Robert drops new N64 builds more frequently than a lot of people have hot meals, so you are going to be back and forth near daily if you want to stay up to date

[primal bolt]

sad but true

people should be getting 3 hot meals a day!

[brisk drum]

Im not touching the n64 core until castlevania boots

[primal bolt]

what

[brisk drum]

And once it does I’m gonna play it non stop

[primal bolt]

there are much better games

[brisk drum]

Not to me …

[primal bolt]

Street Fighter Zero 4

[worn delta]

Those ones are TLB aren't they?

[wild ruin]

my noob level probably doesn’t allow for that

[brisk drum]

I love the series and it’s the only game I haven’t beaten into the ground

Besides haunted castle of course

[brisk drum]

Si

[worn delta]

You know there are two Castlevanias on the N64?

[brisk drum]

Yep

Gonna start with the first release than the enhanced release

[primal bolt]

its easy you open a command prompt and run a script. the only thing you have to change in the script is the ip address of mister, if yours changes on bootup

[wild ruin]

from mac>terminal then?

[brisk drum]

Oh yeah! I just remembered there’s an unreleased beta for a castlevania game for Dreamcast ..

That’s what I’m gonna focus on today ..

[primal bolt]

I can show you on windows I dont know how to do it on mac, but its probably the same

its very easy

[dense wagon]

mac... search for a terminal

for a terminal

[wild ruin]

on it

[dense wagon]

if you have the SD card mounted (iv not looked above as to what is happening) it will be located in /Volumes/

[wild ruin]

yep

[dense wagon]

can get there via cd /Volumes/[name of volume]

sweet

[wild ruin]

what’s the command to run the script 😰

[weary beacon]

For me almost right, a little up now, can you test lylatwars?for me (and other crts users) goes out of sync (the image rotates from top to bottom)

[dense wagon]

depends on the type of script - if its a bash or sh script you can do it via 'source' or simply . [script name]
you can also make a script executable via chmod +x [script name] then do a ./[script name]

(the first two options there is a space after the dot)

./ is a short had for 'current directory, run this'

[wild ruin]

chmod /Volumes/MiSTer_Data/downloader.ini ./Volumes/MiSTer_Data/downloader.ini

? (please laugh away haha no idea what I am doing)

[dense wagon]

ah wait wait

[zinc dew]

@wild ruin can’t run the script from the MiSTer itself?

[dense wagon]

ah k just wetn back up there to see what ya trying to do

tryign to do this

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Downloader_MiSTer/blob/main/docs/pc-launcher.md

?

[primal bolt]

i run a bat file in command prompt.... in the bat file it says...

pause```

[dense wagon]

yeah was going to say you cant really run an ini file as thats just - settings basically

[primal bolt]

you obviously change the ip address

[modern sleet]

That should fix it, but its is really just a hack fix, I think the core needs addition adjustments from the VI

[primal bolt]

you can try typing that ssh line in terminal? i dont have a clue about Mac

[dense wagon]

yep ssh by default installed on a mac

[wild ruin]

so this with my IP? got it

[primal bolt]

yea

[wild ruin]

by the way asking for a friend do any of you use VPNs or similar when updating stuff?

[dense wagon]

other way if you have an ethernet connection, is to shove the mister into a port on the pc, only thing is you need to know what IP it has, and be on the same subnet, dont need a switch or anything like that

[primal bolt]

if terminal works like command prompt in windows

[dense wagon]

and you can get that address from the F12 menu

[wild ruin]

ssh [email protected] -t "cd /Volumes/MiSTer_Data/Scripts; ./update_all.sh" wish me luck

where does the pause go in the syntax?

[mortal panther]

Just like it's listed above.

Replace the IP address above with the IP address of your own MiSTer and you should be good.

[wild ruin]

Home$ ssh [email protected] -t "cd /Volumes/MiSTer_Data/Scripts; ./update_all.sh"
pause
ssh: connect to host 149.57.7.94 port 22: Operation timed out
Home$ pause
-bash: pause: command not found

[dense wagon]

ah k so the connection failed

[wild ruin]

sorry to bother everyone here... I can just do it the old annoying way otherwise 😆

[dense wagon]

thats the ip of the mister? (just to check)

[wild ruin]

ehm... no, my IP via VPN

[mortal panther]

That almost seems like a public-facing IP address.

Ahh

[wild ruin]

noob error?

[dense wagon]

yeah thats it , need the ip of the mister rather than yours

[grave island]

So what are the last features on the VI feature that still needs to be implemented?

[wild ruin]

where do I find that..... 😅

what's the pause command for, I'm curious

[primal bolt]

anti-aliasing I think is all thats left, maybe there is somethin gelse

[dense wagon]

so if you have the mister turned on - and has a ethernet connection - press F12, and then left... (i think in that order) it will give you the network information once the network comes up

[marble cargo]

Anti-aliasing and the dithering deblur haven't been added yet.

[mortal panther]

Dedither, anti-aliasing, and divot.

[dense wagon]

if its on a home network it will be something like 192.168.0.x or like that - if you plugged it directly into your pc it will likely self assign something

[drowsy lantern]

I noticed that in many games, once in a blue moon, a polygon doesn't render here and there for like just one frame.

Like you see just one polygon flash out of existence for a frame.

[grave island]

What does divot do?

[primal bolt]

more importantly is the "T" silent in "Divot"

[weary beacon]

I thought that was the point

[grave island]

They literally advertised it having 4K.

[primal bolt]

maybe they lied

[mortal panther]

"Divot is a special operation that can be (optionally) performed on the anti-aliased pixels to filter out the "divot" (one pixel notch) artifacts when multiple silhouettes overlap on a pixel."
According to Robert (I think), that feature is the cause of most of the blur.

[orchid nimbus]

it's also when a golfer sucks and descalps the grass on the golf course

[grave island]

Geeze, how many blurs are applied to a real N64?

Up to 4?

[mortal panther]

The bane of groundskeepers everywhere.

[zealous hull]

It puts the lotion on it's screen, or else it gets the hose again.

[brisk drum]

Miyamoto San

[grave island]

Oh I found this.

"actually i should have checked better. Divot is not average as i thought, but median. So it doesn't blur, just picks a different pixel in some cases (repair after AA)"

[orchid nimbus]

i heard you like blurs so I put some blurs in your blur so yo can blur with Bill Burr

[dense wagon]

any luck there @wild ruin

[brisk drum]

https://tenor.com/view/muppets-muppet-show-kermit-the-frog-kermit-hook-gif-26475607

[wild ruin]

this is what I meant lol

[primal bolt]

no need to do that

[wild ruin]

to check my IP?

[primal bolt]

just get the $7 wifi dongle and run it fro the computer

[wild ruin]

hehehe

I’ll take you on that

[primal bolt]

if you dont have wifi now sure you gotta use ethernet

[wild ruin]

I do I do

[dense wagon]

yeah those dongles work so well, was pleasently surprised when mine connected first time... and is rock solid too 😄 never go back

lol

[primal bolt]

but you can order it on amazon and it will be there in a day or 2

[cerulean elk]

Glad to see I’m not the only one still running long Ethernet cords 🤣

[primal bolt]

thats too much of a pain the way you are doing it now

[dense wagon]

yeah so you have the core menu open, if you press f12 again you will get the mister menu, from there press left i believe, that will give you the network menu

[mortal panther]

On that screen you have shown on the display, press the button you have assigned to MiSTer's Menu on the OSD, and press left on the joystick. Your IP address will be listed on the same screen as the volume sliders.

[mortal panther]

I still insist on them whenever possible.

[dense wagon]

yeah a wifi dongle will save you so much pain there i have to say

[primal bolt]

well if you want to run ethernet.... run it from the back of the arcade cabinet and do it right

having to open it up every time is terrible

im not saying the wifi is better... but you dont want a cable running across the floor in the middle

[mortal panther]

I typically route Ethernet cables around the room, tucked neatly out of sight between the baseboards and carpet. I see that is not an option in this case though.

[primal bolt]

I prefer ethernet but sometimes you cant

right now im using ethernet

i have my modem/router, computer and mister all in the same room though

[wild ruin]

DIY connectivity 🤣

I forgot I needed the router

[primal bolt]

lol

[wild ruin]

the lady is swearing at me as I had to disconnect everything

(goes to Amazon)

[primal bolt]

yea you definitely seem to need a wifi dongle

wait

[dense wagon]

nice there we go

[primal bolt]

you wanna get the best one

[dense wagon]

that is a super nice setup there though 😄

[primal bolt]

anyone remember the model?

i think there is one better than mine, which is TPLink I think

[wild ruin]

I swear now that I’m here I’ll just run the script from here lol

[dense wagon]

About 2 weeks after i got my MiSTer i was walking my kid down the road and saw someone with their garage door open, two adults sat having beers, two kids playing on a couple arcade machines in the garage... i instantly thought... mmmmm maybe i have to do something like that haha

[wild ruin]

do you guys run it via VPN only?

[primal bolt]

i dont but i dont hve a vpn

so not sure if I would

im the wrong person to ask about that

[wild ruin]

good life

[primal bolt]

I would have an arcade cab like RetroQuest if I could get one

[dense wagon]

Yeah the only thing stopping me doing that for the mister is that i do crack open the Minimig core a fair bit haha

[primal bolt]

i dont have the money to find and have one shipped in good quality and everything. wish I could

[weary beacon]

Much better. nothing out of sync, everything centered more or less except the banjo kazooie that is off center one finger down and one finger to the left, it's the only game that does this that I've tried......I've tried about 15 games! Very thanks

[dense wagon]

which ihave to say, seeing Amiga work bench running at 1080p kinda makes me feel like im tripping haha

[primal bolt]

just run a long hdmi cable to a flat panel for dual output

or buy a second de-10

[dense wagon]

haha yeah a second de-10 maybe haha

[primal bolt]

if you can afford an expensive cab you can afford that

[dense wagon]

well to be fair

if you make a cabinet, nothing stops you putting some nice method of flipping or folding away the fight sticks and having a keyboard and mouse right

[primal bolt]

no you might just need a little table to slide in front

[topaz otter]

Building an arcade cabinet is hard, I've done it four times

[wild ruin]

they’re getting so hard to find

[dense wagon]

yeah well harder for me as i dont have a clue what im doing haha

bit of wood... smash it together...

[wild ruin]

this?

[primal bolt]

yea and CRTs are getting harder and harder. locations are different

locally I cant get anything

i dont think you need that

[topaz otter]

this antenna is long enough it can pick up the ISS

[wild ruin]

hahahaha

[primal bolt]

hold on let me see if i can find one

[mellow raft]

that's actually a recommended one for the MiSTer for some people here

I use it

[topaz otter]

you need some woodworking skill if you want to build one, I'd start with the ultimate mame arcade, the planes are still on the internet

otherwise they sell those ninja turtle ones at walmart

[primal bolt]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07PB1X4CN/

this is the one I have but there might be an updated version or better model for same price

[mellow raft]

That is also an option

Get out Vampier

xD

[primal bolt]

cause i bought that almost 3 years ago

[mellow raft]

Do I still need the custom MiSTer main for the N64 controller fix?

I'd like to use my NSO N64 controller and it just...doesn't get detected

[cerulean elk]

We have terrible wifi here. Plaster walls with chicken wire. Vintage place. So getting signal sucks

[zinc dew]

What is divot

[mortal panther]

Ah, the ol' Faraday Cage floorplan.

[wild ruin]

trying to run the updated via terminal

so after hitting enter I type pause and hit enter again?

[wild ruin]

~ Home$ ssh [email protected] -t "cd /Volumes/MiSTer_Data/Scripts; ./update_all.sh" pause ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.133 port 22: Operation timed out ~ Home$ pause -bash: pause: command not found

wait do I need to connect the mister to the mac

I'm back at this just so I can learn it lol

[mellow raft]

the MiSTer has to be connected to the network

Make sure that IP matches what your MiSTer has

[wild ruin]

ha!

dammit

[mellow raft]

you should be able to ssh root@MiSTer instead

if your router is properly handling hostnames

and you only have one MiSTer

[wild ruin]

but if the MiSTer is connected, but doesn't have the microSD in (since I'm trying to update via Mac), then it doesn't work I guess?

will just wait for the dongle lol

[primal bolt]

no the sd card needs to be in the m ister

and the ip address needs to be the mister ip address

[wild ruin]

thanks everyone let me stop the spamming. Thanks again for all the info

[primal bolt]

also you dont need the pause

maybe that screws up the Mac

on windows that is just so the window doesnt close after

[wild ruin]

if you’ve never seen this run on a Nanao 29 inch CRT here’s how it looks 🤩

[primal bolt]

lol

[mild ether]

Playing shmups I see.

[primal bolt]

i wish i had 2 of those cabinets.... one vertical and one horizontal

and 2 misters

[mild ether]

Me too. As soon as I can find another Sega Blast near me.

Or an astro since I can live with 15khz for vertical.

[primal bolt]

ill never find one near me

[mild ether]

It's a real chore to rotate that monitor.

[cerulean elk]

It’s terrible. I’ve got a router that should to 4000 square feet…to get wifi into the bedroom in a 1000 square foot condo….and it’s only half strength signal

[wild ruin]

I concur

hence why I’m gonna share what I’m gonna share as it is

[mild ether]

Lose some skin on my knuckles pretty much every time.

[wild ruin]

love ya guys

goodnight from Tokyo

thanks again

[worn delta]

-just a note, make sure you have the BIOS DB enabled in update all (you probably do already)

Oh, looks like you have it all working, ace 🙂

[dense wagon]

nice!

[wild ruin]

I’m getting itchy to map the buttons to the arcade but maybe bot good going down this rabbit hole tonight haha

especially in tate

[mild ether]

Wait for when Vivid Dolls is working.

[deft tree]

lol

[shrewd peak]

Dong complete

[wild ruin]

missing 5 buttons z c up right left and down 🤣

[shrewd peak]

No exp. pak version tho

[orchid nimbus]

Why not?

[orchid nimbus]

The king of dong

[primal bolt]

QUASI is our King of Dong

I hope he didnt cheat

101% is the current MiSTer Record

at 18:52 record time

[shrewd peak]

should've edited it to say 102%

just in case anyone had any funny ideas about usurping the throne

[primal bolt]

201 dongs in 18:52

[mortal panther]

Worked for Todd Rogers... for a few years, at least.

[mild ether]

That's a lot of dong.

[primal bolt]

its an impressive amount

[mortal panther]

Looks like approximately 19" worth.
Hard to judge size without a banana for scale.

[wild ruin]

this looks and plays better 😍

@/fpgazumspass thanks for bringing my no 1 game to the mister

[knotty zealot]

that looks boring. why is he just riding across a big empty field?

horses belong in the stables. don't you know anything?

[knotty zealot]

oh. oh. oh. that's what she said.

gottem

[mortal panther]

Managed to slip it in at the last second.

[orchid nimbus]

oh the king of drag(ing his reputation through the mud ... lol) racing

[hollow rune]

Glad someone not me did it and hopefully found joy.

[shrewd peak]

I enjoyed it, but man it's crap at times

It feels like the game starts to run dry after world 3

Nothing much interesting happens after that gameplay-wise

[hexed knot]

Someone posted a romhack that allows you to switch Kongs via the DPad, I think that's how I intend to play through that game.

[shrewd peak]

I thought about playing that but I wonder if it actually makes the game more enjoyable

It does save time

[hexed knot]

I'm all about second guessing developer intentions years after the fact.

[shrewd peak]

it wouldve made an excellent unlock late game

[hexed knot]

Ooh, a Kongvessel.

[shrewd peak]

alot of QoL stuff couldve been implemented as upgrades but instead here's a third buttstomp lmfao

it's RED

[sly wasp]

#1096015979055697940 message and #1096015979055697940 message

[orchid nimbus]

new Robert Patreon post

[quaint pewter]

those boulders used to look scary

like staring into the abyss, but the abyss has a face and is staring back lol

[mortal panther]

Who's Robert Patreon?

[native mesa]

The founder of Patreon

[primal bolt]

Patreon is his middle name

[mortal panther]

Ahh. Thanks.

[wanton sun]

researched what is wrong with new tetris and other games looking like lines missing....well they are. These games want to downscale the image. This requires significantly more processing power than upscaling, as the VI must fetch up to 2 lines per visible line and also process these two lines for filter(AA/dedither) and then bilinear scale the result. Scaling can start slightly after filgtering is done, but if two lines must be filtered, only after the second line. Because i didn't plan with that, the scaling is triggered now, while the previous was still ongoing.

you can see in the waveform that in the outProcess a "startOut" trigger is coming while it's still calculating

resulting in the line to be ignored

or in short: VI has 62 microseconds per line. current processing costs about 35 + 60 us + time for reading data from ddr3. Therefore i must make the whole Vi processing at least 100% faster, better 200%

so back to the draw table and start new 😦

[native mesa]

Oof

[worn delta]

Ouch, do you think we have the resources to do this?

[languid dune]

Well dang.

[native mesa]

Well hopefully it's not from scratch and can just be optimized

[wanton sun]

not really from scratch, but the structure has to change

[native mesa]

How many games downscale like that?

[weary palm]

I have rewritten the database to take advantage of the "match-on-ID" functionality I added to MiSTer main.

[wanton sun]

e.g. filtering is done with 3 line buffer i currently have in 1 ram and read 1 sample per cycle. need to split that into 3 rams so i can read in parallel -> 3 times faster for filtering

same can be done with output stage, but only 2 times parallel

both together SHOULD be enough, but only a test will show

[native mesa]

Is it on unstable main?

or main main

[weary palm]

main main

I haven't submitted my DB just yet.

[cerulean elk]

At least you found out now vs when you were buttoning it up. Hopefully it’s a fun challenge to solve vs a headache!

[wanton sun]

actually, it's kind of fun. I like making things faster, it's like a challenge 🙂

[weary palm]

database is updated. fingers crossed.

[modern sleet]

hyperbolic time chamber confirmed

[wanton sun]

i would have rather started with dedither instead, but it makes no sense to do that if the structure has to change again. So, well, i guess you have to wait some more days before the VI is complete and it will cost maybe 50% more ressources

[native mesa]

All in the name of Vasaline. worth

[cerulean elk]

I agree. Often I’ll throw my own edits (my personal work) out midway because I realize it’s best to just start over Vs trying to solve for some issue. Clean slate, clear mind

[native mesa]

So if I update_all then ROM hacks should load no problem?

[weary palm]

yes

[oblique remnant]

magical downscale tetris challenge

[worn delta]

There definitely no potential issues moving over to this new method with the DB? Has it rigorously tested?

[weary palm]

if you've added those two rows to downloader.ini, at least

@worn delta I don't think I've tested it rigorously, because I'm just one person. Old db files will still work, though.

[worn delta]

I am a bit concerned if this update has gone in and will go out to everyone using update all to grab new DB and it hasn't been put through its paces

[quick arch]

We could fix if anyone found an issue it is still beta stuff

[weary palm]

@worn delta If someone finds an issue with the new DB I will just revert it to the old version and try to fix it in the meanwhile.

[orchid nimbus]

@hushed nova the N64 Database is a few commits behind

DataBase_20230929042739

[native mesa]

Is the Keaton mask just Pikachu

Or batman

[hushed nova]

it only refreshes the db twice a day, or when robert pushes a core release

[weary palm]

okidoki

I was wrong about this one folks. Neither the newest MiSTer binary or the latest N64-database.txt are downloaded with update_all.sh, yet.

[zinc dew]

Thank you!

[atomic stratus]

sorry for being dense, but if I added the lines to update to latest N64 build in my downloader.ini file do I need to add another line to ensure I get the latest DB file?

[wanton sun]

not really, unless you want it even newer than some hours or newest core

[weary palm]

It will download newest mistermain and n64db eventually, I'm sure. 😉

[wanton sun]

but you need unstable mister main, right?

(for the new db change)

[weary palm]

I guess, it's not in https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer/tree/master/releases yet

[hushed nova]

no 'external' db can download a new main, so it won't be able to do that

[weary palm]

Hm, I should revert to the old db until the mister main has a new release.

[native mesa]

Yeah I would just share the modified one here for now

Id like to try it

[weary palm]

okidoki

[worn delta]

It shouldn't/won't go into MiSTer Main until it is well tested, so you should get some people looking at the core and want to test the feature onto the unstable main and using your new DB and really kick the tires before everyone is moved over to it.

[weary palm]

I reverted to the old db now. The updated one can be found here: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/MiSTer-devel/N64_ROM_Database/main/N64-database_new.txt

[hushed nova]

(branches)

[orchid nimbus]

here thought all the changes were in main already

[weary palm]

they are, but there hasn't been a new release since 20230915

[worn delta]

#news message

Is this the change?

[weary palm]

no, this is: https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer/commit/ee5659ad9c2f14702981c689201cdc1decf5577e

[mortal panther]

That's bananas...

[vagrant ivy]

wonder why there isnt a CIC unknown in the enum, then you could do away with the cic_known flag

[weary palm]

Because I wasn't sure what concequences that would have.

I guess I could've added them as -1 or something

[native mesa]

I'm excited for it

[dense wagon]

So just got bluetooth on the mister, tried to connect up an old wiimote... worked like amazingly well... only weird part is that it doesn't appear let the analogue sticks work on my attached classic controller, which is interesting because when setting up the controller it does accept the tilts of each stick haha.

[native mesa]

Try mapping them to dpad then swapping

[vagrant ivy]

I thought the Tilts were for the Gyro not the sticks

[dense wagon]

oh interesting,

cool - ill faff with it later but these are great suggestions. Largely testing in case i get a wireless n64 controller haha

[vagrant ivy]

when you get one

[dense wagon]

yeah lets face it, it will be when not if

[vagrant ivy]

and probably not one

I have the NSO and the 8bitdo conversion

[native mesa]

I think my 8bitdo is arriving today

[dense wagon]

impressed too - got a mackeyboard paired up to it - though the 1-9 keys interestingly dont work.... THO that can be that the keyboard comes up in some numeric pad mode... so i need to figure out the key combo to turn that off

actually got that free - lol - someone lobbed it in the electronics recycle box at Uni, so no loss no foul if its very actually fudged

[tepid gorge]

Does anyone have a Brawler64 working with an 8BitDo USB adapter? It won’t stay connected to mine for more than a few seconds

In either mode

[native mesa]

The orange 8bitdo Bluetooth thingy?

[tepid gorge]

Yes, I have two

Neither one stays connected to it for more than a few seconds, both updated

[native mesa]

I think those make mister treat every controller the same

I don't have a good answer for you other than they aren't recommended

[mortal panther]

The VID/PID is associated with that adapter, right? Not the controllers?

[native mesa]

Yea

[keen hazel]

Is the NSO N64 controller working with the core now ?

[mortal panther]

It has been for a while, yes.

[keen hazel]

Nice, is any manipulation required or does it pair out of the box ?

[mortal panther]

I think it still may require using an unstable zImage_dtb file for the drivers, but everything else seems to work just fine now that other fixes/tweaks have been implemented.

The pinned comments have more information about that.

[keen hazel]

Alright I'll check that out, thanks !

[modern sleet]

Updated the YC build today to make improvements to vsync to vertically center the image better across the different games

if (to_integer(videoout_settings.videoSizeY(9 downto 1)) = 0) then
   vsync_adj_pal <= 10;
   vsync_adj_ntsc <= 10;
else
   vsync_adj_pal <= (312 - to_integer(videoout_settings.videoSizeY(9 downto 1))) / 2 - (312 - to_integer(videoout_settings.videoSizeY(9 downto 1))) / 16;
   vsync_adj_ntsc <= (262 - to_integer(videoout_settings.videoSizeY(9 downto 1))) / 2 - (262 - to_integer(videoout_settings.videoSizeY(9 downto 1))) / 16;
end if;

if (videoout_settings.isPAL = '1') then
   if (vsyncCount >= vsync_adj_pal and vsyncCount < (vsync_adj_pal + 3)) then videoout_reports.vsync <= '1'; end if;
else
   if (vsyncCount >= vsync_adj_ntsc and vsyncCount < (vsync_adj_ntsc + 3)) then videoout_reports.vsync <= '1'; end if;
end if;

is the logic

Tested a handful of NTSC and pal games @chrome quest @vapid moat

[wanton sun]

if you think it's stable across other users, please ping me again in 1-2 days so i can put it into the main build. Also thanks a lot for your work! @modern sleet

[candid copper]

I'll try it tonight \o/

[native mesa]

Finished the Bomber's Notebook

Still short a couple masks so I assume I'll come across them

[tepid gorge]

What is recommended?

[hearty oar]

https://mister-devel.github.io/MkDocs_MiSTer/basics/bluetooth/

I use what I’m pretty sure is a cheap CSR8510 clone and it works well enough

[tepid gorge]

My closest Best Buy has the first one by Asus so I will look into that

[tepid gorge]

Just like on hardware

[orchid nimbus]

I love the visuals 😄 seriously fun game to play like this

makes it challenging

[quaint pewter]

It needs black frame insertion. lol. well it needs something.

just looks like a image buffer not being cleared between images? maybe a mode that other games don't use that hasn't been implemented? or something completely different, because I know nothing of this fpga wizardry

[orchid nimbus]

background is missing

FPGAZumSpass is sort of not sure how this happens

[vapid moat]

Still waiting, my childhood classic

[hollow rune]

This and the Bust a Move games really went unique directions from everything else

and those two are in like different directions themselves

[cerulean elk]

looks better than actual game

10 min to some hot GAMMA action

[chilly ember]

I hope it brightens up everyone's day

[weary palm]

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxa93cYe4taPlWptRlJ6WqyA9j6uHv0I8-?si=2lNK8QcL1CuKH2Ef

[cerulean elk]

you are in it

showcase of being able to beat Kirby

with thanks by name

[chilly ember]

Oh cool 😄

[marble cargo]

This video was how I first learned about MiSTer.

[weary palm]

shouldn't had boxed up my hopes and dreams

[cerulean elk]

vid is out...here comes GAMMA

[weary palm]

omg omg omg

[marble cargo]

I don't know, but Yoshi's Story was always one of those games on the Nintendo 64 that emulators had a weird time with. The game probably has some weird programming going on that is causing the jank.

I remember for a while emulators had issues with stuff like the health flower being distorted and miscellaneous scaling being broken. It has improved thankfully, but for a while it was pretty obvious when someone was playing Yoshi's Story on an emulator.

[chilly ember]

Only gotta wait 9 more years for N64. I can't wait

[native mesa]

Can't wait for the dimple video

[native mesa]

Gotta hand it to the YouTube boobs

[orchid nimbus]

@cerulean elk I wish I was drunk 😄

[cerulean elk]

me too

instead I just spent too much time making X68000 work on Steam Deck

[nocturne fossil]

tx for the video

[junior yarrow]

save yourself and pause and unpause

it wont make all the garbage clear up

but

it helps a little

[mossy needle]

That's exactly how I felt trying to get the AO486 core to work

Or MSX2

[cerulean elk]

just a situ where what you NEED to do is not what documentation tells you to do

[radiant plank]

Hi guys, I think with the latest version with VI gamma the colors are basically spot-on compared to a real N64. However, it seems there's a problem with dithering ? Is there a defined standard if dithering should be applied before or after texture filtering and/or bilinear filter ? Does it change from game to game ? Because, comparing to a real N64, my impression is the real N64 dithers first, and then it filters, while the N64 core seems to apply dithering after, so it's way more visible.

See the following two screen caps I too, using a Sony CRT, with the Mister connected through analog -> RGB Scart, while the real N64 is connected by Composite. Yes, I fully expect the RGB image is sharper, but let's look just at dithering now:

First image is the Mister, 2nd one ( the softer one ) the real N64. The place you see the most difference is the green mountain on the left side.

Sure it is, the difference between having it enabled or not it's very obvious, and here it's enabled.

Maybe you meant "filtered dithering", if there is such thing ?

[inner bronze]

de-dither

[mossy needle]

That's annoying. I feel like sometimes engineers assume some steps are obvious when they are not

[cerulean elk]

problem is that its a mash up of a stand alone emulator and a retroarch core and half the directions are transposed from the WRONG version and are messy

[inner bronze]

Basically

[radiant plank]

Alright, so I guess it will come, eventually. The Gamma, instead, is very nice, the color/tone are basically identical to the real N64 now.

[native mesa]

Mans wants his vaseline

@radiant plank https://mattpierce.info/n64-dither if you want a better understanding of the de(dither) filter and it's effect on different dither patterns. But it's coming. I think basically we still have AA, DIVOT, and dither filter (N64 blur), maybe a few other misc VI items.

I guess there's also gamma dither and serrate for interlaced modes

[quaint pewter]

Don't we all.

[native mesa]

Does anyone know what serrate is in the graphics pipe?

Looks like it's something with NTSC timing so maybe not needed due to mister framework?

[weary palm]

I don't think it's needed. "Serrate mode ... is a special feature of true NTSC that provides a twice line frequency narrow sync pulse during vertical sync. This feature helps ancient analog amplifiers to stabilize vertical retrace phase lock loop."

[mossy needle]

Ew

[quaint pewter]

what a time to be alive.

[eternal ravine]

Don't serrate your pipe

[primal bolt]

lol.. AI art is funny shit

[hollow rune]

Was inspired

Stolen from my mom's hair dye supplies. Hopefully helps the vibes

[primal bolt]

I'm telling mommy

you will be punished

[hollow rune]

I mean she saw the picture. If I am cute enough all is good

[orchid nimbus]

Since we’re all posting stuff

[candid copper]

UGH

[nimble needle]

Did you prompt/specify the fleshlight on Mario's shoulder!?

[candid copper]

latest YC core appears to have pushed my image pretty far left

[chilly ember]

Nahh ai likes to throw those in sometimes i suppose :p

[chilly ember]

Few games do that, I believe it should be fixed next update

[candid copper]

👍

[nimble needle]

Ah sure I know, was just messin with ya. They probably have a few randy sailors in the dev team 😀

[chilly ember]

I wouldn't be surprised hahaha

[eternal ravine]

Literally was me carrying a CRT upstairs to my room

But then I bought my first stereo CRT with composhite inputs

Very similar to this

[quaint pewter]

I got a 20" bang and olufsen 1980s crt from someone without thinking, a few years ago and it sits in the corner of my room cause I don't have space to set it up in my little flat. sadly its more used as a clean laundry shelf.

[eternal ravine]

What sort of inputs

[quaint pewter]

I should really give it a whirl at some point even if I have to bring the mister to it, and power extensions etc.

It's got a scart

and rf obviously

[chilly ember]

Ooohh that should be a nice set then, hear good things about bang and olufsen but never saw one in the wild

[quaint pewter]

I will make that my quest this week at some point to hook mister up to it even if I have to leave the TV there in the corner on the floor. When I got it I ran my real NES through it on RF and it worked so I know it's good to go unless it died while it was sitting there.

[primal bolt]

i doubt it died

[eternal ravine]

Good for light guns and 3D glasses

[primal bolt]

just needs a little stand under it

[eternal ravine]

Try to look as cool

[drowsy lantern]

So I received my Saffun N64 wireless controller. Works awesome! However I can’t seem to get rumble from it. What’s up? Rumble works fine on my 8bitdo SN30. Is there something I’m missing?

[half venture]

Why the Starfox crew ignoring me?

[modern sleet]

It's left on HDMI as well, or seems scaled incorrectly

[native mesa]

This is Robert apparently

[chilly ember]

It isn't?

[woven olive]

hold Start + B for a few seconds and red lights will flash and light up again with 2 solid lights. this puts it in d-input mode. you will have to go through controller config again in mister main and n64 core but rumble should be good after that.

[modern sleet]

There is a channel for all these images 😛

[brisk drum]

I hope we get castlevania for spooky season

[eternal ravine]

The AI stuff really is great for the extremes
Really goes beyond what most humans could conceive
so odd

[boreal bobcat]

Drake is looking retro ripped

[weary palm]

What AI is this?

[native mesa]

Bing

Dall-E more specifically

[eternal ravine]

The weird imperfections that get added

Designers better learn to code

[native mesa]

AI codes now too bro

[eternal ravine]

Well, damn son

Better learn to ... uhh farm sustainably

But really, the top tier of people will always have a place
It's the ones grinding out mediocre who need to worry

[cerulean elk]

slow tonight it seems tonight lol

[native mesa]

Perfect

[chilly ember]

It kinda has been slow lately, I need to try and finish another bad n64 game.

I managed to finish 4 levels in superman 64 the other day but hit start by accident after losing to some rings and got kicked back to main menu, losing my progress

[junior yarrow]

Race to see who can beat Tom and Jerry Power Stone first

[weary palm]

Bass Master

[chilly ember]

Hahaha there's an idea

[native mesa]

Gerudo hideout is far too easy with the stone mask

[chrome quest]

Thanks very much. Just testing quickly tonight, all of the games where I had issues (such as PAL Pokemon Snap) all look perfect now.
I wonder how many different vertical resolutions are used across the library? Though as Robert noted some like Bomberman Hero may not be correct yet I suppose we'll have to wait for more in depth testing on that one.
No more rolling images on my EU CRT though. Thanks as always!

[modern sleet]

Scaling might still be an issues but vertical sync now should be centered

[junior yarrow]

I DON'T KNOW EARL!

[chrome quest]

Question after missing earlier chat on the database file. Curious if people know what currently needs testing. I've been using the database file that was attached here: #1096015979055697940 message
Noticed the unstable MiSTer didn't have one. Is the intent to test for anything missing? (For one, the controllertest.z64 ROM was undetected)

[marble cargo]

Maybe Blues Brothers 2000?

[fair stump]

Thank you for signing up to complete War Gods!

May God have mercy on your soul

[cerulean elk]

Why would you do that to yourself lol

[topaz otter]

I don' think you can actually finish the game without cheating

pretty sure there's a softlock in one of the levels that makes you have to reset

theres also a number of places where you can fall through the floor without warning and get stuck, again, leading to a reset

[fair stump]

Okay chat, this was a great era for cheat codes. Which n64 game had the best? I nominate NFL Quarterback Club 98 which had a large number including hidden mines on the field, players on invisible sleds, and every manner of tweaks like always fumble

[weary beacon]

wargods you can just cheese it by throwing constantly.

[warped cobalt]

Just for fun I made a comparison between my real N64 via Retrotink5x and SVideo (left) and N64 Core 231001 (right).

It shows the true amount of Vaseline on real hw on the left 🙂

[chilly ember]

Gotta have some rainy days to make the sunny days really shine

[topaz otter]

I nominate Turok 1 and 2

[native mesa]

You can get rid of a lot of that without composite

[topaz otter]

turok 2 has a pen and ink mode

and a gourad shading mode

[native mesa]

Nice RGB mod with deblur

[warped cobalt]

I use Svideo

[fair stump]

Huh that sounds crazy, I gotta look it up

[topaz otter]

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/n64/199127-turok-2-seeds-of-evil/cheats

[chilly ember]

Wire frame mode basically

[topaz otter]

also turok 1 has disco mode

big hands and feet mode

and the second one has the greatest cheat of all

BEWAREOBLIVIONISATHAND

[chilly ember]

I thought adventure taco was gonna get that :p, he said he was gonna finish daikatana but i beat him to it

[native mesa]

Why are people not freaked out by link turning into other people with masks

[cerulean elk]

Haha apparently so

[chilly ember]

There's a giant moon with a face staring at them in the sky probably so that's insignificant

[topaz otter]

because the mask isn't the scary part, the scary part is that those people died horrible deaths and their souls went into link

[rose elbow]

i’ve seen streams of the full game .. it seems beatable but also in the stream i saw there was instances of accidentally glitching through a wall lol. so it seems beatable but also definitely completely broken

maybe it’s a dice roll if you get soft locked or not lol

[native mesa]

Pretty messed up when you think about it that their souls will be trapped in the masks forever

https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-carrey-jim-jim-c-the-mask-gif-23723812

They got the idea from this guy right?

[topaz otter]

at least they get to go on an adventure by becoming a tool for link

a guy who slaughters thousands of monsters and creatures in his kleptomaniac quest to obtain everything that is grabbable

[chilly ember]

Imagine getting a mask for your Halloween costume and you turn into a deku scrub

[warped cobalt]

https://youtu.be/VoLdkt3y0BQ?si=gdk4DDGBfIXAaGQ4

🙂

[topaz otter]

pretty sure that jim carrey is the mask salesman in real life

[chilly ember]

https://youtu.be/BmvBuBpbI1A?si=qZ728u6R2LEDrOKy

Jim carrey doesn't even need masks, he can mold his face into anyone he wants

They saved alot of money on cgi on the mask because of it

[warped cobalt]

He was a master of distorting his own face, for sure.

[topaz otter]

there was never a better movie that showcased his talents

[chilly ember]

https://youtu.be/MerNyFG2A8s?si=W4xCB8p69inmmmia

[topaz otter]

my parents hated his movies but the dude was literally a living cartoon

https://tenor.com/view/the-legend-of-zelda-majoras-mask-zelda-happy-mask-salesman-gif-18562325

when a mfer owes you money

[chilly ember]

I find alot of the old folks don't like jim carrey so i guess thats normal

[zenith orchid]

The AA really makes a difference on the polygon edge

[drowsy lantern]

Omg that was it!! Thank you so much 🙏🏻

[woven olive]

It's kind of a pain. It resets every time the controller turns off. You get used to it when turning it on.

[zenith orchid]

It's funny these features turned into a game of whack-a-mole. They had to limit bits per color, resulting in color banding, so dithering had to be added.. It didn't look so great in NTSC, so dedither was born, which introduced additional blur. Then AA was necessary with the jaggies standing out especially when 2d graphics have smooth edges via bilinear filter, which introduces divot artifacts, also requiring a blurry correction. They should've added a deblur on top of all that 😂

Makes me wonder if there are better more modern solutions now to their problems back then.