Nintendo 64

[vapid hawk]

doesn't work on the usb receiver though - real hardware only

[rose elbow]

ya that stuff to me is just weird

granted the n64 controller is weird lol

[vapid hawk]

yeah nothings quite like the original

[brisk drum]

It’s 3:30 am wtf you doing with Lon Lon milk bro ..

[vapid hawk]

isn't there a little easter egg type thing with the cows

if you play them eponas song

[versed cairn]

They give you milk I think 🥛

“In this game, a free Bottle of Milk can be obtained by playing "Epona's Song" in front of a Cow. They will appreciate the song, and give Link milk for it.”

You can also win a cow at Lon Lon ranch which is cool. No idea how they get it into your treehouse though

[lament escarp]

So long term probably better to get a nso controller, right?

[hearty oar]

I would like to think the issues could be resolved somehow…

[lament escarp]

You're the smartest driver guy I know, if you don't know how to fix the driver I don't think there are plenty of other people with the knowledge. 😉

[hearty oar]

Far from it lol

[weary beacon]

Anyone knows why there is a bug with water?

[remote hatch]

what patch ?

[weary beacon]

UltraSM64

[remote hatch]

yes , so there is a bug 🙂

in normal patch water is fine

[weary beacon]

Ok thanks!

[hollow rune]

I wonder how many RDP modes are still left. I know whatever issues are up with Bubble Bobble, Dr. Mario, and Dark Rift are still outstanding

I haven't checked Magical Tetris this build

[daring meteor]

I know the greenscreen thing isn't implemented and so is YUV
There's several problems right now from the 32 bit buffer

[rose elbow]

the dithering is quite extreme. actually hard to pick a favourite with these current settings aha (get the feeling it still needs AA to smooth it out )

[thorn flax]

well the error code for bust-a-move translates to "rdp command not implemented"

makes it look like an atari 2600 fever dream

[hollow rune]

i unmderstand the low priority. There are probably 50 ways to play these games in mister

[remote hatch]

you can use the basic patch , no more random hangs 🙂

[weary beacon]

I was still using it for extra FPS 😉

[remote hatch]

it's no real expirience 😛

[quasi storm]

And Yoshi's story, and OgreBattle...

(Pauses. Contemplates. Slowly continues...)

Guys, check out StarFox 64. The lense flare in the intro actually doesn't show up without dithering. It's cool!

I never would have thought an effect would rely on it.

[compact depot]

So dithering is mandatory

[quasi storm]

Dude... it's just one lens flare. I'm sure you can live without it.

[compact depot]

I can’t 😔

[remote hatch]

no real expirience

[vapid hawk]

the dithering will be less stark once the dedithering is in 🙂

[remote hatch]

yes and everyone will be happy 🙂

[vapid hawk]

in the meantime if you just use a fairly soft horizontal filter its roughly the same thing

think i'm on like, 30

[quasi storm]

Also, Virtual Pool is weird. I was toggling dithering to see how it affected the shading. I discovered that if you don't move the camera, it doesn't update the screen... like, at all.🤣

So, while I was testing, I began to wonder; How much different is this compared to PS1? Is it the same thing? Same code carried over? Completely different?

[vapid hawk]

some of the cpu is carried over

thats about it

its not literally the same cpu either, had to be modified a lot

[quasi storm]

No no, I meant the dithering

[vapid hawk]

oh, hmm, probably different? psx and n64 had different dithering patterns i think

[quasi storm]

I still remember back when I played starfox, after having not played it for a bit. It was so weird, like a switch was flipped in my brain, but suddenly the dithering stood out to me... and it looked like CRAP.

Or whatever it was. I didn't really know at the time. With the cross hatching, and the big, blocky SQUARES. I honestly thought something was wrong with my 64.

I remember, then, way later, playing N64 on retroarch, and trying out Parallel. Dude, it looked so GENUINE. It had the crappy dithering! 😆

When the last core dropped, My first game was Starfox 64. So far, the dithering doesn't QUITE look the same...

Phew

Sorry about that...

Nerd rant over.

[oblique remnant]

btw the Nintendo 64 was released 27 years ago today (north america) 🎂

[quasi storm]

You shut the hell up😢

That shit ain't funny!😆

[mortal panther]

Which means I got my first N64 27 years plus 3 days ago. 🤣

[daring meteor]

The only console release date I remember is Dreamcast

Because its funny

[mortal panther]

Still have that one too

[quasi storm]

Now, pretty soon STEAM will be old enough to drink... fml

[daring meteor]

9/9/99

[oblique remnant]

nice I was so late to the party (nov '97) first played it late '96 in an electronic store as an import

[quasi storm]

My roommate was the first to tell me when the ol 64 was old enough to drink...

[daring meteor]

The GC is old enough to drink

[daring meteor]

I'm younger than the GC

I'm 22

[spark granite]

GC was old enough to drink here 4 years ago

[rose elbow]

gamecube always seemed like a bit of a party animal. wouldnt be surprised if it was slipping drinks earlier

[inner isle]

Just tried SM64 on the latest build and it crashed after the title screen with its me mario. I'm guessing its already known?

[rose elbow]

yes the 3D face in particular causes the crash. there's patches available to skip it (some here for example, https://vampier.net/N64/, i think there's been other diffrent patches posted in this channel as well)

[amber saffron]

The lodgenet version also has a crash issue even when patched (for me).

Try with the regular US version with no face patch.

[inner isle]

Ah ok, It ran before without it, but good to know. I'll wait for it for now, all good.

I was using the US rom

[weary palm]

Try my patch. It's da best.

[rose elbow]

ya i'm also waiting. i've played around with a patched version but was getting mixed results on saves sticking. didn't bother troubleshooting/happy to wait

[amber saffron]

Link?

[weary palm]

https://vampier.net/N64/patches/sm64.us.noface.bps

[brisk drum]

I knew you were up to something weird!

[mortal panther]

I was old enough to drink when the Sega CD came out. 😂

[compact depot]

Hello there old man 👋

[remote hatch]

I am 15 years old and wanted to ask what is MiSTer and what is N64 ?

Is it emulation ?

[mortal panther]

It's 64-bits! Do The Math™️

[remote hatch]

I don't understand

[brisk drum]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-strange-doctor-strange-kids-party-portal-get-out-of-here-gif-17120508

[daring meteor]

Ah, to be born after the iPhone

[remote hatch]

no no seriously I would like to be 15 years old again, but I can't time travel hah

[mortal panther]

Wow... 15.
The year of the NES and C128 for me.

That would be good to relive.

All of it would be, really.

[neat sierra]

You can: mister, a CRT, a vintage chair with brown tones and flower pattern is all you need

(Describing my setup)

[remote hatch]

this is what I already have and I go back in time for a while , then my back hurts 😛

[neat sierra]

The chair is from my parents first house, and has moved with me through everywhere I’ve lived

She’s a beauty

[balmy dagger]

I think all of our parents owned the same chair 🙂

[mortal panther]

I can almost smell the '70s from that picture.

Love it! 😄

[neat sierra]

It’s actually a really comfy chair

[mortal panther]

I had one kinda similar for years that was my primary gaming chair... except with wide, flat wooden arm rests and a yellow/orange/brown plaid pattern for the upholstery. Very comfy, too.

[rose elbow]

i take it back this game is evil

[marble cargo]

Imagine getting to 99 notes, then you get killed and have to start all over again.

[rose elbow]

i mean..

imagine getting to 99 notes and not getting killed 🤔

also bad

LOL

WHERE IS IT

[marble cargo]

First crash in Diddy Kong Racing. Just completely randomly, as I remember this cutscene playing out fine before.

[rose elbow]

#1096015979055697940 message

crash on Taj challenge was mentiond here also

[junior yarrow]

TT just used his powers to stop time

playing as TT is clearly the cause

[marble cargo]

Good thing the game counts it as a win before the cutscene plays, so I didn't lose any progress.

[rose elbow]

i was struggling on world 1 earlier the silver coin challenges... this game is hard lol

[junior yarrow]

just sacrifice your hand and mash the A button

[hollow rune]

I am panda child age. I like retro games. That is all.

[quasi storm]

But... I use that hand.

[cerulean elk]

old school class right there

[mossy needle]

Thats how you win. Also don't forget to let go of the A button when going over boosts/ using boosts. It gives you extra speed

That becomes especially useful against Wizpig fight 1

[junior yarrow]

iirc mashing only really helps when driving in the car

but yeah it will make you faster

[mossy needle]

True and may Odin help you on the hover craft races

Those are always a pain

[junior yarrow]

oh yeah DKR crashed in the same spot for me too

[mossy needle]

It counts the race though luckily

[weary palm]

Lol I lapped everyone in Jungle Falls. xD

[vast gorge]

Quick question, if DK64 is running does that mean the Expansion Pak is supported? Or are people using some sort of patch to run the game?

[zinc dew]

The expansion pack is supported and appears to be fully functional with every option games offer.

Adding more virtual ram for games to access isn’t that challenging of a feature to implement as it turns out.

[vast gorge]

Thank you for clarifying, wasn’t sure if folks were using a trick like the “no face Mario” to run it or something! That’s all the more amazing… I really need to sell my N64 consoles and games soon 😂

[elfin relic]

I can confirm I'm running vanilla, no patches DK64 just fine on the core

[zinc dew]

We try to identify what patch work arounds people here use to get games functional but right now it’s only Super Mario 64 to bypass the intro face animation because it uses a currently unsupported hardware feature called TLB.

[mellow path]

Did MM have like super heavy lag in West Clock Town when the twin dancers are dancing on OG hardware?

Only thing that seems a little funky performance wise for me

[vast gorge]

Well if anybody wants anything checking out in real hardware I have a PAL and Japanese NTSC console plus an Everdrive so happy to help where possible

[zinc dew]

Most excellent, that will prove to be invaluable when we start the bug hunting phase once all hardware features have been implemented.

I have a US N64 with over 180 games because I discovered the MiSTer well after I started collecting for the N64 lol.

[dreamy ridge]

what did you win PowerBall? look at all those candy cabs

[zinc dew]

@fallen sparrow not that you’re soliciting for questions but one thing I’m very keen on learning more about is the MARS team’s dream arcade cores they want to get working on MARS. The team there are extremely passionate and knowledgeable about arcade games and I love all the game they release.

[neat sierra]

It’s the lesser known 3rd payout option

Lump sum, annual, candy cabs

[fallen sparrow]

Hopefully, I'll get a bunch of answers from them. Let's see

[tepid gorge]

Does anyone know if any Mario 64 ROM hacks work yet?

Like anything by Kaze, or any

[wraith estuary]

Yes they do, as long as you patch out the face part at the beginning.

[zealous hull]

I've tried out probably a dozen Kaze romhacks, unfortunately it's pretty hit or miss as far as if they work or not (I removed the TLB faces myself). If you know how to hex edit, you can go in and remove the faces after you patch them.

[zinc dew]

I posted in the wrong channel, I am a buffoon lmao

[zealous hull]

Gotta spread that MARS awareness in every channel, Robby. 😉

[zinc dew]

They work but Miyamoto will be very cross with you

[fallen sparrow]

Been there 😂

[wraith estuary]

I thought there was a 2 player SM64 patch in the pins about a week (or 2?) ago but I can't find it. Anyways, that works.

[zealous hull]

Yep, also Kaze's work, iirc. Played it with my partner this weekend, had a blast.

It use to freeze very frequently, but the latest cores have it running

I think this is the one I used.

You'll still need to remove the TLB intro. Sorry, I can't make a patch for that right now.

[zinc dew]

Yeah sorry, im not pinning any rom hacks or patches to keep any feedback or issue discovery focused on officially supported games.

[zealous hull]

Yeah, I think that's for the best. The search function helps me out anyway, more often than not.

[wraith estuary]

Understandable

[cerulean elk]

I showed that one a few vids ago. Feels so wrong yet so fun. Mario just never did that

[cerulean elk]

Did discord break or has nobody really written in the channel for almost 45 minutes? Lol

Here have a photo of the systems best game

[remote hatch]

We are doomed

We need new core

[woeful beacon]

aren't you near me?

what the heck

[cerulean elk]

Wait are you in Chicago?

[woeful beacon]

yes we covered this

hahahaha

I was gona come over but you said you travel too much

but you did invite me nevertheless

oops now I guess out of courtesy you just invited this entire thread

(party at bacons! go go go!)

[cerulean elk]

Haha how did I forget this?

I swear I forget more than I remember some days

[woeful beacon]

haha it couldnt be because you put out 1 N64 video per core

probably THATS not it

I'm in the burbs bacon, we dont do shootouts here unless its basketball

guessin you either south or west

[cerulean elk]

I think it’s because on any given day I have ten conversations with ten people about ten topics and by the time I wake up 9/10 are distant memories 🤣

[woeful beacon]

rule of 10s

FORGET THINGS WITH THIS ONE SIMPLE TRICK"

[lament escarp]

You just killed the mood.

[cerulean elk]

I added to the mood

[zinc dew]

I like that you’re a fan of this game. No clue why, I just think it’s cool that it’s not Mario, Zelda, or any of the other big games.

[cerulean elk]

Just hit me right in the right age to stick

[knotty zealot]

himynameisawbaconandidliketoinviteyoutomyneighbourhoodforsomegamingandaquicksnackbutfirstdomeahugefavorandclickthesubscribebuttonitreallyhelpsmychannelgrowbutmovingrightintothisgamethisisaverysmoothgamewithsomenicepixelsandgraphicsandidontknowmuchaboutthisonebutisureamgonnaplayitmoreonmymisteretcetcetc

[cerulean elk]

You got the name wrong. Fail 🤣

[knotty zealot]

[covert bough]

The continuing series on the mister de-10 nano fpga

[woeful beacon]

-what
so
ever-

[cerulean elk]

I’ve tried to shorten that but it’s branded in my brain

If I don’t say the same thing I get off cadence and get lost

[covert bough]

Lol it's great

[woeful beacon]

dont you dare change now

[cerulean elk]

Like once I set a VO bump it’s gotta stay the same the run of the series

[woeful beacon]

if you change one of your subs might be like " WHAT THE FUCK "

and combust

I think you need to add more jokes in tho

[cerulean elk]

Like with Pocket it’s “and welcome back to our continuing series Is That An Analogue in your Pocket or are you just happy to see me”

[chrome quest]

Ok, time to play Bomberman Hero I guess. Gotta be a shorter game than Brian at least?

[covert bough]

Real talk I'm very tempted to try to cop one of the transparent colorways

[woeful beacon]

"welcome back to our continuing series on N64 CDs... wait CDs? Yeah CDsNuts, so anyways check this out Goldeneye is finally running now on the..."

[cerulean elk]

They are suddenly opening the flood gates

[cerulean elk]

Half the time nobody even notices the subtle dirty jokes I put in videos

[covert bough]

I've been playing gba ever drive on my old sp and it's very hand cramping

[woeful beacon]

amazing

[dense wagon]

I mean, haha that sounds just as frustrating as playing Hatsune Miku Mega Mix and dropping a single hit on an otherwise perfect run... like Agh awesome but AGH!

[lament escarp]

Anybody else notice the dithering making the picture a bit too bright? You can see it in the shadows of the castle in sm64.

[cerulean elk]

SP just isn’t comfortable. OG GBA is the form factor I need

[cerulean elk]

Yes. I’ll mention brightness today

[covert bough]

Yeah my og still works but that dim screen needs an upgrade

[cerulean elk]

It’s an interesting vid. I start talking about exposure latitudes and color banding / brightness

[lament escarp]

The funnyplaying v3.0 is prelaminated and very easy to install if you buy a matching shell.

[covert bough]

I also kinda have this weird thing with changing out the oem parts

But

It's worth considering

[lament escarp]

In case you wanna see mine

No soldering

[covert bough]

Yeah that looks great

Buttons feel ok?

[lament escarp]

They do, I usually recycle the old membranes because the new ones always feel too stiff

You can also reuse the old buttons.

[cerulean elk]

Fun color

[knotty zealot]

that's what she said

[lament escarp]

Tried to stay close to the indigo I had but they only had purple.

[covert bough]

I have the glacier

[lament escarp]

Depending where you are you can order the parts from handheld legend for usa or zedlabz for europe.

[paper orchid]

Oh are we talking handhelds

[lament escarp]

They also have fun gbc stuff if you don't want to play these games on gba.

[lament escarp]

It's @cerulean elk s fault, he started it

[cerulean elk]

Lol I didn’t start anything

[paper orchid]

too late now I have to show off

[covert bough]

Yeah I had the transparent purple gbc. That's why analogue wants my money now

[paper orchid]

The Pocket needs a speaker and then it'll be done

[lament escarp]

Nice, how is that gb pocket screen fitting? It's always a bitch to align.

[covert bough]

Those colors are cool. Grey bezel of the pocket is interesting

[paper orchid]

It's using the Q5 display and a housing that fits the screen well

Just an ordinary Q5 screen with absolutely nothing not-Pocket-like going on here

[lament escarp]

The regular q5 can adjust the screen position via menu right? That makes it so much better.

[paper orchid]

Yup

The screen is a little off-kilter so I'll try adjusting it

After I get the speaker installed and dust out rofl

[cerulean elk]

Here I’ve got a fun one for everyone

[lament escarp]

Nice. And the bezel of the GBA tells me it's a v2 ips right?

[paper orchid]

I believe so yeah, that's a more recent build

[lament escarp]

You won't get the dust out. Ever.

[paper orchid]

It's all Retrosix parts which I kinda regret rofl

It has a USB-C battery which at least when testing it isn't "terrible", and the housing's at least good quality

[paper orchid]

And I'll get the dust out, trust me rofl

[covert bough]

Ah the wonder swan

[cerulean elk]

Backlit WonderSwan Crystal. Full screen mod

[paper orchid]

Once I get that sorted and get stickers on, this Pocket Color build is good to go

[covert bough]

It's one of the ones I wasn't really aware of until mister

[neat sierra]

The mod took so long that plant died

[paper orchid]

I'll replace the flash cart and maybe look into doing a rechargeable battery

[lament escarp]

Don't show me my Christmas presents early, stupid! 😋

[cerulean elk]

Damn jasmine keeps dying and coming back

[covert bough]

Yeah that happened on my old wavebird it was tragic

[paper orchid]

Comparison with a backlit Pocket with original screen

[lament escarp]

Honestly just get rechargeable aa batteries. You can just swap them when they're empty. I have some boxy pixel gameboys with internal batteries and it's just annoying

[paper orchid]

And yeah, I'm using rechargeable AAAs right now. I'll probably actually go with a USB-DC cable if I really need a lot more battery

[dense wagon]

crisp screen

[paper orchid]

Clock capacitorrrr

[dense wagon]

LOL aging everything out?

[woeful beacon]

so your swansong

looks like no one cared

as usual

seriously looks sick but you still wont clear JSS with it

[dense wagon]

thats the name of the game in my job... sigh lol "How long can we keep these racks of electronics working" This week, the flavour has been, hard drives dying because the environment we operating in is a bit harsh

[lament escarp]

Remember, Nintendo doesn't want you to modify your old consoles, so you buy nso instead 🤮

[woeful beacon]

well then why did they make their controllers invincible then

answer me that Quirrin

[lament escarp]

Because children can't be trusted.

[woeful beacon]

indeed it do be true

[dense wagon]

LOL

yeah lol sounds like the embedded system that was running the whole detector. Went something like this
"I need to ssh into the machine to kill a process so i can run my calibration scripts... but i cant ssh in" Then started a debate on if we should restart the machine on the offchance it wouldn't boot back up.

Result - we restarted it, and ya, it wouldn't come back. lol dead hard drive. Whole experiment run by a Zombie embedded linux machine. It didn't know it was dead until we poked it

[lament escarp]

Just wait for the xbox core.

[dense wagon]

So... isn't the xbox technically just x86?

[paper orchid]

The Xbox is "x86", but it's not "a PC"

[dense wagon]

sure sure... but its still the same chip... kinda... maybe some different extensions added. bit like the GPU was if im not mistaken, a.. GeForce2? or GeForce3

i think it was the GF2 with a few additions

[lament escarp]

The project will be called "marster fpga" and everybody will hate the name.

[woeful beacon]

absolutely terrifying

[dense wagon]

I should really have said that this is a particle physics detector haha but no worries... nothing all CERN high energy like stuff.

[paper orchid]

The processor is a "custom" Pentium III and I know that processor upgrades are possible, so it might just be how the chip is specced

(it might be a packaging thing too)

[dense wagon]

The MarsBox394 if we want names that make no sense

[woeful beacon]

I just usually use my hands to detect particles

adn sometimes my face

[dense wagon]

haha i mean... eyes are pretty good at detecting light

(most of the time)

[woeful beacon]

I can detect avocado

if its in something

thats a particle

[dense wagon]

haha

[quaint pewter]

At least you do mix it up a bit. I like Mr Sujano, but his intros and outros are 100% the same every single time (more or less).

[manic basin]

I worked at MS during Xbox on the Windows team. Architectually, it's a hyper locked down, stripped down pc but once you add a few things this is a very accurate statement. The bridges were reduced since certain things were unnecessary. A ton of legacy stuff was removed at the copper. It ran direct x with a big 'but...'
They were completely siloed, so they took builds of nt kernel and DX infrequently. That's how the TTF overflow got in there. It was patched 6 months earlier in windows. As you mention, it also got something that was not quite a desktop nvidia gpu (and for a brief time was ahead of the enthusiast market). So even in its design its pc adjacent, but not quite a pc.

[eternal island]

i recall him being mostly the same, but sometimes his videos are in the middle of nowhere lol

[dense wagon]

aye i recall on the nvidia side, it was like the GeForce 2 with some extra features that placed it in the GeForce 3 range...before they came out. or it was 3 with additions. was like "Cool"

[eternal island]

mr sujano reporting in from some woods somewhere... lets talk about dolphin

[manic basin]

That sounds right, yes. They added pixel shading before it hit the retail market, I think, and a few other things. But it's been over two decades. Sounds right, though.

[dense wagon]

yeah, like i think that was the thing that gave Halo that cloaked effect... which was not ported in for the PC version... at least not at the time.

[ebon oyster]

An understudy of J.J. Abrams, I see.

[dense wagon]

was one of the extra features

[manic basin]

Funny story....I was helping dogfood (nightly build testing done by the broader teams) and we were working on net play for Crimson Skies. Someone realized net send hadn't been disabled in the latest os build. We didn't capture many chickens that night, but we had fun.

It just instantly blackscreened every box joined to the game (all local).

[orchid nimbus]

this graph changed since yesterday - and hasn't been updated

but the 'no boots' are very clear now

[inner bronze]

Were they all published by famous developer TeeElBee

[orchid nimbus]

yup

[fair stump]

If you look through the notes on the test sheet you'll see most games actually play extremely well with very minimal issues

[inner bronze]

Its just that no one's been able to complete 40 hour games in such a short time 🥲

[verbal cedar]

I’m to the fire temple as adult link in OOT MQ and no crashes or anything yet

[fair stump]

Sometimes I gotta dig around to find games that have super easy to check issues

[inner bronze]

Did SM64 have random crashes? Is that still the case?

[verbal cedar]

Also did 25 stars with patched sm64 and didn’t have an issue (where I crashed with 1 star before the last build)

[wanton sun]

not for me, finished it today(70star, pal)

[dense wagon]

lol still waiting on the 128mb stick before i can get through anymore oot haha Everyone point and laugh at me

[verbal cedar]

Also did quite a lot of mk64 and never an issue

[tepid gorge]

I have yet to have any issues with the DK64 Randomizer hack, which only saves in some emulators

[verbal cedar]

120 or bust my friend

[lament escarp]

I noticed the dithering making the picture rather bright, is this going to be compensated by other rdp/vi stuff yet to come?

[zealous hull]

I've left it on for hours and hours in the background. Seems great to me.

[inner bronze]

IIRC there were some games that crashed unless cache delay was set to non-zero?

Was that an edge case that got fixed at some point?

[zealous hull]

As far as I know, that didn't get rid of the crashes, just delayed them a bit.

At least that was my experience.

[wanton sun]

it was fixed with the RSP register fix recently

[wanton sun]

i want to do that, but some are really annoying to do so it will require some time

[inner bronze]

Yeaaaah....some stars I just really hate

[verbal cedar]

I’ll do it in your honor no worries

100 coins on tiktok clock makes me shiver

[wanton sun]

i got 98 in the volcano and there were none left to get, that was already annoying

[zenith orchid]

I wonder if dedither was only useful for CRTs

[quaint pewter]

So there really is a cake, and it wasn't a euphemism? LOL

[wraith estuary]

ViElEn DanK!

[zenith orchid]

glad mario got some of her cake

[orchid nimbus]

confirmed - uncrashable

[oblique remnant]

Good Job Pal 🙂

[orchid nimbus]

@wanton sun overall how do you feel about the development of this core compared to the PSX? It seems there are much less bugs popping up I know the library isn't as big as the PSX so maybe that helps too.

my personal opinion - I'm beyond impressed

[wanton sun]

graphics stuff is much more complex and will produce glitches in games for a long time. Main ram being in DDR3 also leads to random crashes instead of reproducible crashes

those are the most difficult tasks in the next months

but overall i'm happy. PSX development was much faster than N64 overall, but that's ok

[orchid nimbus]

it doesn't feel like it

it feels like the n64 is going faster

[worn delta]

Yeah this feels really rapid

[orchid nimbus]

I know you put a lot of time into the emu

[worn delta]

Not having to deal with CD related issues must be a big plus as well

[orchid nimbus]

so that probably paid off a lot

[plush summit]

I feel that the PSX and N64 core times are about the same 😛

[wanton sun]

psx i started the emu in june, n64 in january

so if n64 would have been faster, we would have played first games on the core in april 🙂

[orchid nimbus]

final question: you still stand behind this? 😄

[inner bronze]

Clearly we're in surreal territory

[wanton sun]

Yes, it's still unreal for me to see it running on my TV sometimes 🙂

[inner bronze]

Nintendo 64 Surreality Co-Processor

[wanton sun]

played smash bros with my daughter today. It's great with the handicap system, you can have fun and you can adjust the matches to be "fair"

[cerulean elk]

So what you are saying is you needed a handicap to keep your daughter from totally destroying you? Lol

[severe rock]

But less weird edge cases with regards to the cdrom subsystem timings and whatnot, right ? I hear that is a nightmare to get right since psx devs always worked out of spec

I mean the n64 compared to psx

[onyx minnow]

when i was a kid smash bros was always hogged by the older kids at the video store

[severe rock]

I'm sure there's a ton more stuff to worry about with the n64 but I bet not having a cdrom is a blessing?

[wanton sun]

i played many 100 hours of smash as teenager and while i cannot do it as good today, it's still not fair against someone playing it for less than 10 hours. So i really like it has such a system. With mario kart for example it just doesn't work

[orchid nimbus]

real time smash bros time!!

[cerulean elk]

Your daughter could probably beat me @wanton sun I am terrible at Smash

[lament escarp]

We had a store with mk64 playable... I managed to get there once without other kids already being there and I didn't know how to make the kart drive forward.

[wanton sun]

it's hard to do multiplayer with retro games if you know them and the others do not. Not sure if modern games are better with that

[quaint pewter]

Bomberman is always classic multiplayer where you can mess up or get stomped even if you have played it a lot. 🙂

[woeful beacon]

nah not too much lol

not unless its a party game

[wanton sun]

well yes, e.g. mario party works fine. You can win all mini games and still lose in the end. also ...."Chance time" 😡

[deep beacon]

Anyone try out the saffun n64 controller? I got mine a week or two ago and couldn’t get it to work in core. Haven’t tried since been too busy

Mister menu would work over bt but not usb

[quaint pewter]

type saffun into the search box and you will get a lot of hits

[deep beacon]

Overall kind of weird. Bought it off a recommendation from a youtube video

[quaint pewter]

I don't have one myself but I've seen chatter about them on a few occasions here.

[deep beacon]

Ok so it seems people like it a lot

I’ll have to dig through it later tonight and see if anyone else had that issue. Also might be time to look through the pinned posts and update mister etc

[cerulean elk]

Mario Party was just a metaphor for the American way of life; you can do everything right and still lose haha

[languid dune]

That's really not how it works.

[surreal summit]

#memes message

[topaz otter]

Because gearbox couldnt get it to work

[cerulean elk]

Haha yep

[compact skiff]

I have the same controller (although mine was unbranded) and it works great (including analog stick and rumble). I set mine to Xinput mode (hold Start and B until two lights turn on). Make sure you set the buttons in main and N64 core.

[quaint pewter]

If you are dyslexic then Kobiashi Maru is nearly an anagram of Mario Kart.

...and I spelt it wrong too. lol

[zinc dew]

Everything good here? Can I help with anything?

[languid dune]

The story of my life...

[sterile river]

what controllers are people using/planning on using for this core? I'd love to use one with the N64 controller's form factor

[weary beacon]

out of stock

[zinc dew]

I’m using the Saffun and NSO N64 controllers myself.

[languid dune]

NSO controller for the win!

I have two of them.

[sterile river]

oh cool, I was wondering if the NSO would work - is it bluetooth? I was worried about latency if it is

[sterile river]

what's out of stock?

[languid dune]

It's bluetooth. But it feels great with the core. Rumble works too.

[zinc dew]

I have two of them but one I keep sealed because I’m that guy

[weary beacon]

8bitdo n64 mod kit.

[old iris]

NSO controller worst solution due to a big delay ... my opinion

[languid dune]

How dare you hold your accessories hostage!

[zinc dew]

Because I am a fool

[languid dune]

Well I'm too cool to fool. – Chester Cheetah

[sterile river]

is there something you like more?

[devout leaf]

Anyway to turn on saves for OoT?

Doing a randomizer and curious if there is a setting

[languid dune]

The randomizer is a rom hack, so you'll need to set the save type and CIC manually.

[devout leaf]

Yeah that's what I'm asking. Not sure what they should be.

[old iris]

OG N64 Controller + Pro Micro

[languid dune]

"Normal" OoT will save automatically.

[orchid nimbus]

such is the way of the 6102

[zinc dew]

Every experience is subjective so I’m not disagreeing with what works well for you.

I found the lag to be manageable myself. I did switch to the Saffun controller however partly because of lag.

[orchid nimbus]

keep in mind that the core uses the last known CIC of a previous run when you switch ROMs

it doesn't default to 6102 when not found

and there are no plans to change that

[languid dune]

Yeah, just boot up normal OoT, and then boot up the randomizer, and it'll probably work with those settings.

[weary beacon]

or just add the hash into your DB file.

[manic basin]

<Dali painting joke goes here>

[languid dune]

I wish I knew how to do that. I've seen it explained before, but it just looked like a foreign language to me...

[worn delta]

So been trying to find some info on what the 64DD RTC is actually used for. Details are sparse but came across this bit of info:

RTC reports the time of the disk pressing. The RTC differs in its storage format and access method from Animal Forest significantly. In all cases, games using the clock only load the time once, usually before actual gameplay, and time continues to tick forward based on the system clock. This is the same way Animal Forest functions and why it is fully playable even without the RTC present. As far as I know this only sets the timestamp for saved data, and so far the only one being problematic about it is Doshin 1. It expects the time of day to match or exceed that of the current clock time due to some lazy testing, and if it's less the day ends shortly after starting. Resetting its save so the time always matches works fine though, just like setting the RTC to match or exceed the time. SM64's library doesn't even support the clock

https://www.therwp.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-53971.html

[orchid nimbus]

obscure joke is obscure

[devout leaf]

Yep that works. Was easier than just copying and manually changing which was the original plan

[languid dune]

The same works with Smash Remix.

[cerulean elk]

Good controllers for this core has been a bigger issue than any other core before. There is no real perfect choice

Not like “use PS4 controller for PS1” levels of perfect

[manic basin]

SNAC notwithstanding, since it's not built into the core proper yet.

[weary palm]

anyone has any need for a silly tool that remove the intro face from Super Mario 64 and hacks of it?

[cerulean elk]

Very true. At this stage there is no perfect option

[sterile river]

oh damn, for some reason I've been using my Dualshock 3 for the PS1 core, I dunno why I didn't try the Dualshock 4 but that'd be way better

[cerulean elk]

I won’t lie though Switch Pro controller analog has been really good IMO personally. Obv button layout is junk but the feel of the analog has been really nice IMO

[quaint pewter]

if it hacks hacks then yes please

[weary beacon]

Yes, Shindou english patched V3 or C. Still waiting.

[manic basin]

My original DualShock would be great....except the sticks feel like partially chewed gummy bears.

[languid dune]

Speaking of Shindou english patched games, I couldn't get the english patched version of Wave Race 64 to work yesterday. Just hangs on the N64 logo.

[manic basin]

I think that's a cool tool to have. Especially for people experimenting with romhacks. I have mine in my toolchain already, but if it's robust and easy for folks to use, I think it'd be valuable personally.

[cerulean elk]

Yeah the rubber on my Wii U GamePad did the same thing

Just went sticky

[manic basin]

Rumble or game. You pick. </s>

[languid dune]

That what happens when you chew on them all the time!

[manic basin]

HAH!

[native mesa]

Because DS3 is better

[manic basin]

Hey, Ape Escape is hard and I was hungry.

[cerulean elk]

Wait doesn’t everyone control the left analog stick with their teeth?

Have I been doing it wrong??

[manic basin]

The rightest.

[languid dune]

Just checked my Wii U game pad's analog sticks, and that bad boi is as good as new still. 🤘

[chilly ember]

Same, I haven't really used mine for like 5 years tho lol

[hasty kayak]

DS4 has lower latency though.

[uncut gyro]

wireless when connected to PS4, wired should be about the same

DualSense shaves 1 or 2ms off even in wired mode

[sterile river]

I was able to fix the sticky DS3 sticks by cleaning em

[woeful beacon]

just restating that star soldier n64 is 4 frames on an LCD with the NSO controller running wired, I think that is plenty responsive tbh

I would be curious what kind of lag issue folks are seeing with the NSO controller

[languid dune]

DS4 is the first good PS controller Sony ever made.

[uncut gyro]

huh, that hasn’t happened to any of my DS3s yet. It HAS happened to my Rock Band 3 MIDI controller and my PS Move charging station 😦

[zinc dew]

That’s a great point.

[vapid hawk]

the nso controllers been measured at peak 35ms input lag

[uncut gyro]

jeeezus

[woeful beacon]

unless the core is running at 2 frames somehow, I am simply not seeing that on my setup

[vapid hawk]

how are you measuring ? porkchops tests are closed loop, thousands of samples

[woeful beacon]

and if so, I would be very impressed if a real N64 is at 2 frames but it wouldnt surprise me

[woeful beacon]

I trust porkchop over me

[cerulean elk]

It even feels game dependent IMO. Switch Pro analog feels great controlling Mario. Move over to Rush 2049 and I never feel like I am getting the maximum analog value when turning

[devout leaf]

Sweet that was also the key to DK64 Tag Anywhere

[woeful beacon]

I am measuring non scientifically with a 60fps camera and my finger

on my 10ms LCD

[woeful beacon]

and how often is that peak achieved tho

but I will say, at this point, even being a person who is pretty sensitive to input lag, its the best way to play the core by far

Caveat: only played extensively: Wave Rave 64, Sin & Punishment, and Star Soldier (1CC achieved using the N64 NSO Controller on yestedays core)

[weary palm]

Tries to remove the big Mario face in the beginning of Super Mario 64 and hacks to make it "TLB proof". Windows and Linux versions.

[native mesa]

What is that. Does it deface any mario rom?

[weary palm]

Hopefully

[vapid hawk]

i can't find the numbers right now, i think the average is like 15ms and the min around 2ms

[woeful beacon]

interesting range, bit oofy, but thats not bad

[native mesa]

Nice

[vapid hawk]

so its got a huge deviation

[native mesa]

Worth a pin

[woeful beacon]

so its basically a frame but bad deviation

[vapid hawk]

someone did post the full numbers on here i just can't find it

[woeful beacon]

its not a big deal

[old iris]

How is it even possible to release controllers in 2023 with such a delay, they also cost a lot of money, oh those Nintendos...

[native mesa]

https://rpubs.com/misteraddons/inputlatency

[woeful beacon]

I go by feel overall, it has not bothered me yet, and so we'll see if it does

[vapid hawk]

it'll be more noticable in higher framerate games

[woeful beacon]

shmups are probably the games that require the most amount of responsiveness, that or fighting games

[vapid hawk]

since % chance of same frame input is what really matters, and that goes way up when your framerate is 20

[woeful beacon]

yeah makes sense

you'll miss the boat more often if there are more boat timings (per second)

(see didnt I promise unscientific)

does Star Soldier run at 60?

[native mesa]

You missed the boat

[woeful beacon]

I remember growing up we mostly played Goldeneye at the 5 FPS that game ran at 😛

[fallow whale]

I think F Zero requires quite a bit of responsiveness too

[woeful beacon]

I dont doubt it, thats a fast game, was never an F Zero fan so cant comment

and I dont smash bros so cant comment there either haha

[native mesa]

It's why people could never slap eachother

[woeful beacon]

XG2 I can comment on tho

[stone pilot]

As a genre, shmups and fighting games are generally fast on average

[woeful beacon]

I think that is mostly playable now, could try to beat that game on hard

[stone pilot]

Racing games run the gamut. F-Zero games are very fast for racing games

[native mesa]

shootemups is a genre i never understood

[vapid hawk]

there's only like, 5 60fps n64 games total or something

[native mesa]

They all seem so samey

[woeful beacon]

lol no comment

for me, platformers are just as samey

you just have to understand each genre's nuance specifically

I'm a shmup player of 2-3 years so for me its quite different

[native mesa]

I like the fantasy zone one

[woeful beacon]

fantasy zone is neat

I like the M2 version better tho

of the second one

glad that got "rom'd"

BUT if you play a lot of shmups, you tend to notice input lag really fast

because that is your main bread and butter

no animation no inertia no iframe dodge rolls no leniency

[native mesa]

I don't think I'd play one without an arcade stick

[woeful beacon]

no place to hide

[woeful beacon]

surprisingly the N64 dpad is WAY better than I expected

like actually good, like wtf good

better than NES and SNES, I am very shocked

[native mesa]

Probably because they are all in pristine condition

never touched

[weary beacon]

Wow it works! Great job man! Someone pin this!

[woeful beacon]

all of my controllers are "new" so its not really that as much, I am comparing NES Mini, SNES Mini, SNES NSO, and N64 NSO, and theb est dpad here is the N64 NSO

[weary palm]

Great! 🙂

[native mesa]

Is the hex always the same for that? What if people modded that section

Like gave him green eyes

or a luigi face

[weary palm]

Remember to back up your original roms though, the program doesn't save the original.

[weary palm]

I hope so. 🙂

[odd vector]

Diddy Kong Racing (PAL) has sound glitches

[tough wigeon]

Updated to the latest N64 unstable last night, playing on a single SDRam (2-chip 2.6 version memory). I originally was just going to check out Ocarina of Time (non GC version) and instead was playing until 3am (whoops) -- Z E R O issues. It just looks great. No audio drop outs, no freezes. There are some points where I see a hint of a wireframe here or there in the water but that's really about it. Fantastic!

I did get a message when doing the fishing minigame that there was no rumble pack but I had that set in the second slot. So I'm not sure if rumble has to be in the first slot or it just doesn't work at the moment. That was the only issue I found, other than I apparently have issues with personal time management, getting sucked into the game for so long. LOL

[orchid nimbus]

no issues while killing the spider?

and finding the exit

[tough wigeon]

I've played up past the dodongo cave level and am working through the Zoran part right now. So far so good.

[orchid nimbus]

nice

[tough wigeon]

First tree level, castle, town, goran city... it all just worked and sounded fantastic.

[mellow path]

Same with me and MM, I'm at Ikana Canyon and no issues yet except for some weird artifacts here and there.

[tough wigeon]

@mellow path are you having any issues with audio stopping in Majora's Mask? I had those last week but haven't re-tested this week on a newer core.

[plush summit]

I tried out Zelda rom hacks on the core and they are booting

[mellow path]

Those have all been fixed. No audio issues anymore.

[dense wagon]

wait so... the core prefer two ramsticks? or using a single one ok?

ah k - had me scared for a moment haha

[manic basin]

@languid dune
Hangs for me on the original JP version as well.
Here's my hash for anyone missing it

83a45d70f25cabe036c026f894d80e7a ntsc|cic6102|cpak|eeprom512|rpak # Wave Race 64 - Kawasaki Jet Ski Rumble EN

But yeah, it just hangs on both versions. Someone was mentioning in the patch notes it also hangs on RetroArch unless Count Per Op divider is set to 3. So maybe it's a nonstandard thing that isn't in the core. We have a non TLB no-boot if that's the case!

[plush summit]

Either or, the core works with all Ram configs

[tough wigeon]

Sorry for the confusion -- there are some SDRAM modules with 4 chips (two on front, two on back) which are a little more timing sensitive on some cores (Saturn mostly) -- so I've just gotten in the habit of being specific about what kind of ram I'm testing with.

[dense wagon]

Ooooh thanks for the clarification 🙂

yeah im in that part where i still only have a 32mb module haha so OOT crashes because of the lack of memory when i get to a certain point - still waiting on the 128mb from MisterAddons 😄

and i know if i wanted a dual ram setup id have to take the analogue hat off

[tough wigeon]

I'm in the same boat -- trying to avoid taking the analogue hat off because 1) I like my case and the buttons. 2) I like das blinkenlights and 3) I like the noctura fan... so I'd rather not touch it if I can avoid it. So far I haven't had to since putting the single 128mb stick in there.

[dense wagon]

exactly the same... or soon to be with the new stick 😄

[eternal island]

i've got 3 brand new ones just sitting around

will find a use for em.. some day

in a box with my "guest" n64 controller i threw up on

👍

[lament escarp]

I got my mister prebuild and since the delivery times at the time were like 3-4 months I just got the all-inclusive version, so I wouldn't have to wait again when ordering some parts I want in hindsight

[zinc dew]

am I crazy or are there no N64 controllers listed?

[orchid nimbus]

well regardless - the answer is yes

[oblique remnant]

I only found Retro-Bit - Tribute 64 USB Controller around 8ms...

[cerulean elk]

I love data but nothing beats PaRappa the Rapper for a latency test

Immediately can tell if a controller is too laggy or not for fine timings and commands

[oblique remnant]

shmups are my benchmarks 😄

[cerulean elk]

Impossible to play if a tv adds latency. Just a mess. CRT on core? You live or die by the controller input latency

If a controller can let you succeed at PaRappa on a CRT it’s good to go

[woeful beacon]

Actually you know what I didn't actually test Mike Tyson on N64 Pad

[cerulean elk]

Also a good one

Data is amazing but feel is just as good

[woeful beacon]

I dunno if that's a good test but that's why I immediately returned that powkiddy crap

Easy to get to the test as well, first round first pattern

[cerulean elk]

A lot of times in videos I’ll show shmups and beating a boss without taking a death and that’s my “if it can do this, don’t worry about latency”

[woeful beacon]

Indeed. That's why I went for my first and only star soldier clear on the core with that controller. So I'll post that once it goes up on the channel.

[sterile river]

yo shout out @cerulean elk, love your videos man, appreciate all the work you put into em

also love you for making a vid about Vib Ribbon

[cerulean elk]

aww thanks. Appreciate that

[sterile river]

https://tenor.com/view/vibri-vib-ribbon-fortnite-default-dance-gif-gif-25472000

[stone pilot]

My only problem with your videos is that you frequently say "this is the ___ you know and remember", but I don't remember any games except Super Mario 64

[cerulean elk]

haha such a failure too. But I had fun with it

[weary palm]

Evil

[sterile river]

had no idea it was going to be a Mercedes ad, hilarious

[topaz otter]

You dont remember the life of brian 64

Also how are people affording more than one mister in this discord call, arent they like 300 dollars

[weary beacon]

OK just found something cool out.

[weary palm]

Tell

[weary beacon]

Loaded WR64 and it hangs at logo like normal. Loaded in the english patch and of course same. Started core fresh, loaded WR64 shindou english patched. Auto detect failed. GAME loads!

[sterile river]

I assume half the people into retro gaming nowadays are the same as me, in their 30's with no kids and way too much free time and nothing important to spend money on

the american dream

[topaz otter]

I'm a guy in his 40s with no kids and way too much free time and i only have one mister

[azure hatch]

I was just gonna say..don't you mean 40s? :P

[sterile river]

you're on your way man

[topaz otter]

Should i buy more misters, you guys decide

Y/N

[weary beacon]

Wave Race 64 Shindou edition english patched working!

[azure hatch]

look for a better case :P that'd be more satifying..or get into 3-d printing and make your own

I'm personally doing the latter

[wanton sun]

but can you get into a race? for me it hangs after selecting the jetski

[weary beacon]

stunt mode worked. let me try a race now.

[weary beacon]

First place Race one in championship.

[odd vector]

Does Mario work now without no face patch?

[orchid nimbus]

no

tbl not implemented

[azure hatch]

wish the dude making all the vids about this core would mention the fact that he's using patched roms haha

would save a lot of folks a headache

[orchid nimbus]

https://vampier.net/N64/

he mentioned this page a few times

maybe that helps

[terse canyon]

i wander how many times folks have asked why mario 64 doesnt boot

[azure hatch]

perhaps he doesn't want to admit on video that he's not technically using his own dumps ..who knows

[orchid nimbus]

I recognize the screenshot before I read the question

[wanton sun]

you can patch your own dump

[orchid nimbus]

you mean VGE? no he patches his stuff himself

same as for @fallen sparrow

[azure hatch]

oh? hrm yeah I think VGE may be confusing folks, might be time to clear that up in a video soon

[orchid nimbus]

why don't you ask him? he's right on the server

[wanton sun]

i'm not sure if there was even a tutorial video for it? can't remember all of them 😅

[fallen sparrow]

Huh, what?

[cerulean elk]

eh?

[eternal island]

im pretty sure vga did mention it earlier on, but because it was repeated enough times i think it isn't mentioned anymore

[orchid nimbus]

applying patches is easy

I prefer bps over ips

[eternal island]

vge*

[azure hatch]

that'd be why I'm posting here lol - I dun really care, I mean I test everything myself anyhow....just a suggestion

[orchid nimbus]

as there is a verification of the rom

[cerulean elk]

I did tell people they had to patch the rom

but I am not showing them how to do that...thats dicey territory

[orchid nimbus]

you're not telling them how to use google either

or how to wipe their ass

just saying

[azure hatch]

no need to teach, just copy/paste something in the description that you're using patched roms if anything

[cerulean elk]

I can show them how to set the core up. I can show them what files they need...I cannot show them how to obtain those files or how to modify those files

one will get me a strike and a video removal if caught

[eternal island]

yeah. clearly the sitting down, and double wipe after standing up is the most superior of methods

[azure hatch]

brand new folks coming in don't know mario don't have eyes yet O.O

[orchid nimbus]

@azure hatch as the core is still WIP there is no need for that - the people who care enough can read the FAQ

[fallen sparrow]

I can teach anyone how to wipe their ass, I've taught three kids already.

Two of them even do a good job

[orchid nimbus]

I don't want to know why the 3rd one can't

[eternal island]

people always say sitting or standing is better than the other... no one thinks to combine the two

[fallen sparrow]

Sometimes I find a nugget

[orchid nimbus]

people I was just making a joke - stop the wipe talk

[eternal island]

okok

[orchid nimbus]

lol\

[fallen sparrow]

And it ain't no McChicken

[orchid nimbus]

let me wipe this from my memory

[eternal island]

i get it

[fallen sparrow]

Hmmmmmm, BBQ sauce

[eternal island]

madman...

[fallen sparrow]

And trouser McNugget

[orchid nimbus]

ffs

[terse canyon]

i was gonna say pixel did you try it first

[azure hatch]

it's straight up misleading really, but meh personally I don't care either way - as I said I just think a quick note in the description would be helpful ;) but whatevs

[orchid nimbus]

misleading?

[fallen sparrow]

😂 I'm pissing myself at a poop joke. ..

A new all time low

[orchid nimbus]

@azure hatch I don't want to undertstand your standards of being exactly told what to do

[azure hatch]

yeppers, sounds like you haven't watched in a while perhaps or hmm I dunno

[eternal island]

im at work. just turned to a fellow coworker and brought it up

[fallen sparrow]

Nah, that's when I decided to become a vegan

[eternal island]

asked what their thoughts were

very important stuff

weird, they laughed and walked away

no answer...

[orchid nimbus]

@azure hatch https://fantasyanime.com/patching IPS / https://www.pokemoncoders.com/how-to-patch-bps-rom-hack-file/ and here is an online patcher https://www.marcrobledo.com/RomPatcher.js/

[azure hatch]

sounds like perhaps you've misunderstood, it doesn't matter

[orchid nimbus]

the FAQ clearly tell you to patch Mario

If you're having trouble with certain games, you might need to apply a patch for a temporary fix until the core becomes more stable. This can help improve the compatibility of those games.

[fallen sparrow]

I'm not vegan any more, I just won a KFC

[azure hatch]

I already mentioned direct instructions wouldn't be necessary, and that'd it'd just be helpful to mention that several games require a patched rom to run or to look correctly /shrug - as opposed to saying "yeap this game is basically fully functional now" haha

[eternal island]

the best thing to do if ya aren't willing to look into why things aren't working unprompted for a core probably in alpha stages or even earlier idk, is to wait for it to be done

no more problems

👍

[zinc dew]

I think it’s just one game that requires a patched rom

[eternal island]

unless tlb doesn't make it in..

[azure hatch]

but whatevs I'm thinking more about the community, not myself by any means

[orchid nimbus]

@cerulean elk next video can you include that people should keep on breathing to not die of oxygen stavation and or cognitive delince due to lack of oxygen?

[eternal island]

i have faith

[cerulean elk]

lolol. I can only do so much

[eternal island]

also talk faster, you speak too slow man

making me bored here

[cerulean elk]

and only show so much. You ever notice every time I do a video with roms I say "files youve legally dumped from games you own"....gotta play YTs game

[azure hatch]

I have no idea tbh, I just saw someone ask if you could play mario with eyes now which immediately made me think about one of the last vids I watched

[terse canyon]

i tried watching his tutorial but no one told me to press the play button

[lament escarp]

Noooo you're ruining my case against vge

[orchid nimbus]

@azure hatch Mario's eyes has nothing to do with the no-face patch - it has to do with the floating decapitated Mario head in the intro

[eternal island]

just uh.. eat broccoli after or something

i think thats how it works right

[orchid nimbus]

ffs

[azure hatch]

sensitive is as sensitive does holy shiet lol

[chrome quest]

Ahh memories #1096015979055697940 message
No heads, no faces, too many eyes. The eras of N64

[orchid nimbus]

@terse canyon please keep repeating gifs to a minimum

who gave me the NoGIFs patch 😄

lol

[weary beacon]

Wave Race 64 Shindou English. Only got second place over all but was able to complete all races.

[nova grotto]

omae wa mou shindeiru

[orchid nimbus]

yup

"you're already dead"

[quick arch]

yeah 🙂

[viscid gate]

What are the core system settings you're using? Interested if saving works for you, as the only way I can get it to boot is with the save type set incorrectly

[weary beacon]

I didn't try to save yet but I will now. Everything was default afaik.

[random portal]

I never beat Doom 64

[manic basin]

So to clarify, you loaded, locked, loaded EN, locked, then did a core load (from the in core osd) and it worked? Or did you reboot the MiSTer between? I'm stuck at the mechanic, but I'd love to repro it when I get home.

[random portal]

I heard its a good game

[dense wagon]

yeah that rom patching page haha i found that about 30 mins ago because i was looking at the Portal64 demake haha

[upper umbra]

My favorite @cerulean elk line from one of the N64 vids was when he referred to "Three Mile Island Pikachu". I damn near messed myself on that one.

[manic basin]

Peek-at-you!

[upper umbra]

lol

[weary beacon]

Just load it up fresh with no CIC check. 6102 shows up in the menu.

[quick arch]

The god mod of SM64
https://x.com/MarioBrothBlog/status/1706399167038239111?s=20

Supper Mario Broth (@MarioBrothBlog)

Super Mario 64 contains an unused "Mario Death Field" object, shown as the tall cylinder in the footage. It always floats in front of Mario and acts like an explosion on the enemies it touches, allowing Mario to kill them from a distance.

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[manic basin]

Yes, but what does fresh mean. Reboot resets memory. Loading the core can leave stuff.

[weary beacon]

Save type says none, but when i go into the save load menu in game. It shows a controller pak in there..? I do see my one time.

[manic basin]

oh, I think I get it. So I'm reboot and leave cic

at 6102 and not load the hash. copy

[weary beacon]

Just a fresh core boot. Do not load original rom first.

[manic basin]

Sounds like one of the capabilities is wrong....Will be fun to play with when I get out of the shop (just walked a mile in a downpour because our estimate was 15 minutes below loner threshold).

I feel like I was in Wave Race.

[weary beacon]

It was set to none, and no it did not save.

[viscid gate]

OK makes sense - that's the only way I could play it too. Presumably when the JPN original shindou edition works, this one might too.

[chrome quest]

Without running update all, is there a place to grab the latest MikeS version of the core?

[zinc dew]

It's in the pins - #1096015979055697940 message

[weary beacon]

Yeah it also has the ability to save from cart to controller pak and back and forth. Could be useful for debugging.

[chrome quest]

Thanks. Should have checked first. Always going pins for the spreadsheet, you'd think I'd know better.

[zinc dew]

It's no problem. Apologies, I posted "it's in the pins" for other people, not for you.

[woeful beacon]

EA SPORTS

ITS IN THE PINS

ahem

sorry

continue

[zinc dew]

🤣

And when something isn't pinned and it should be then please let me know

[weary beacon]

@weary palm made a program for win/lin that removes the face from mario roms. Worked on my Shindou Version 3(c) english patched rom. I think others would love it too.

[candid copper]

@cerulean elk @woeful beacon have some portillo's for me

[cerulean elk]

drag it through the garden

[lilac cloak]

waverace

[remote hatch]

wave race !

[languid dune]

Maximum powerrr!

[chilly ember]

Follow that dolphin

[junior yarrow]

in unrelated news i pinpointed the thing (immediately) crashing paper mario

[languid dune]

You broke our combo...

[junior yarrow]

i said it was unrelated!

[languid dune]

One could call it a...c-c-c-combo breaker!

[manic basin]

Shiiiiiiiiii

[versed cairn]

Back to wave race! https://youtu.be/Q7EdNoFNNRs?si=djpfJ70In6b921yB

[cerulean elk]

DAYTOOOOONA....EXCEPT ITS IN WATER AT THE BEACH

[manic basin]

Floating STAAAAAAAART

Dammit!

Jinx

[cerulean elk]

Not to insight a riot...and I do love Wave Race...but Sega ate Nintendo's lunch with arcade racing style games

[languid dune]

Now I have Daytona music stuck in my head. That is not a bad thing.

[versed cairn]

https://youtu.be/IsS_VMzY10I?si=dMMICFwM4wjb1m8b

[orchid nimbus]

damnit

now I have that in my head

[languid dune]

I love that he did a new F-Zero vocal song for Smash Bros. Ultimate. The best of both worlds! Daytona and F-Zero!!

[woeful beacon]

my gastroenteronomy would not like that haha I'll go for culvers instead

[cerulean elk]

things I want played at my funeral

[orchid nimbus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1J9ffRgADRU&t=1s

[languid dune]

https://youtu.be/1S26Q3ZbUt8?si=HBxCUqw1go-1Q4sr

[cerulean elk]

close the casket...play this bit of audio

[woeful beacon]

I dont even need to click it to hear it

https://youtu.be/CM-Wmbez6k0 I dont know if this is useful or not but here's Star Soldier on 9/25 core fully cleared on Normal with the NSO N64 controller ( also my first clear of the game, and second time playing it so I have no idea whats authentic and what isnt)

[orchid nimbus]

Takenobu Mitsuyosh

[cerulean elk]

carry me out to David Lee Roth's "Just a Gigolo"

[zinc dew]

why do my games not match the MD5 checksums in the n64 database but still load correctly?

[manic basin]

They use 6102 cic or you happened to load a game with the correct one for those games first. Probably the former.

[zinc dew]

I see, but they are MD5, correct?

[manic basin]

The hash is md5 of the first 4096 bytes. Did you make your own db file?

(BE, you have to convert for LE/byteswapped)

As for why they don't match, usually it's casing on the file if it's universal. Or it got downloaded by right clicking on a github link and it's actual html.

[past mango]

For hacks like randos where you're constantly making new versions, is it sufficient to just load the OG game, then load the romhack?

[manic basin]

Is it every game @zinc dew ?

[manic basin]

Yeah, usually

[languid dune]

Probably

[worn delta]

Are you using the everdrive pack Robby? I thought all those are in the list, they don't get the auto-detect-failed message anyway

[languid dune]

We need a slowpoke (pokemon) emoji for every time I post the same thing as someone else right after they do.

[weary beacon]

you could just change the cic in the DB file for now.

[compact skiff]

Check your MD5 with this command from the terminal:
head -c 4096 '/media/fat/games/N64/romname.z64' | md5sum

[thick terrace]

hey all! What's happening today?

[languid dune]

We're just shoot'n the breeze.

[weary palm]

Surfin' the interwaves, dude

[versed cairn]

Not sure who is in charge of this but curious if it's time to add the n64 to unstable-nightlies? I feel like by this point in dev the psx core was in there. would be convenient to get saturn and n64 updates with the same script.

[weary palm]

Because some genious added cic detection for files not in the db.

[cerulean elk]

just sitting here batch editing stuff for 2024

[languid dune]

You're not onto 2025 yet? In the words of Sonic: "Come on! Step it up!"

[cerulean elk]

Weds I am up to september 2024

[languid dune]

Before that edit, I was about to say you reaaallly need to step it up!

[cerulean elk]

I work in project batches if its not for MiSTer/Pocket/Friday vids

so Mon/Tues/Weds get big batches

[zinc dew]

but the correct save paraemeters are also set

[weary perch]

https://viewsync.net/watch?v=CM-Wmbez6k0&t=1.51&v=bL_on1GAHJw&t=6.38&mode=solo

[weary palm]

Oh, that's not on me xD

[weary perch]

MiSTer against hardware for the attract mode ^

[woeful beacon]

yeah AWESOME thanks! I'm watching it now

[weary perch]

visually it's on point

maybe MiSTer gets to title like

[woeful beacon]

that texture filter adds some detail!

[weary perch]

a few frames quicker?

[woeful beacon]

I do have a scanline filter fyi

[weary perch]

yeah the vaseline hehe

[woeful beacon]

oh shoot

it does go off

[weary perch]

hardware drops a frame or a few somewhere

[woeful beacon]

that or my computer messed up let me restart it

[weary perch]

or something like that

[woeful beacon]

yeah about 46 seconds in it starts to go off

the sound is the easy giveaway

but not sure if thats related to the visuals

yeah MiSTer overtakes it

not bad at all

[weary perch]

outside of the missing VI stuff it looks really really close visually

[woeful beacon]

agreed - also btw I upscaled it to 4K so even with my scanlines it doesnt look like total ass if you run it at that

its extremely basic scanlines, no blur, no shadowmask, nothing, just scanlines

this is so that if you do want to compare visuals, even with my scanlines, it should be okay and not too vaseliney

[manic basin]

Wave Race Shindou was a super easy fix. It's just EEPROM 16, not EEPROM 4. I'll submit a PR to the db file.

[orchid nimbus]

a bugs life just was completed by @silent marten https://clips.twitch.tv/RoughHomelyDragonSpicyBoy-qcKWkL1VA5GlFw30

[manic basin]

Looks like it got bumped to handle ghosts

Spoopy

[safe robin]

did someone here get the mario 64 2 player coop romhack working yet?

[languid dune]

Yeah, it works.

[safe robin]

but it still needs the no face patch right?

[languid dune]

Yeah

[safe robin]

so what should i apply first to the rom? 😄

oh or is there no coop patch, its basically something recompiled?

[languid dune]

Just try it in either order and test it in an emulator on your computer first.

[safe robin]

alright

[junior yarrow]

basically, once mario moves above a certain speed he makes a dust partical appear and thats what crashes the game

[manic basin]

Actually, this may be a bug. @wanton sun - Regarding Wave Race 64 Shindou - if EEPROM16 is chosen, the game boots past the N64 logo, however hangs at first race. If EEPROM4 is chosen, it won't get past the N64 logo at all. None will get it past both, but you can't save. This happens in both the patched version AND the original JP version (though the patch version did add ghost saves to cpak at 122 pages).
So something is going on.

However, if I start with EEPROM16 or none and SWITCH to EEPROM4 after the game launches, it works and I can save.

Update: Waialae Country Club also has an issue where the SRAM isn't recognized until after the code to check it, which messes up the whole save pipeline in-game (pointed out by a user on Pixel's YouTube video). I checked and it always pops a 'you must have a cpak to save' message on the core, but it should have an SRAM32 on cart storage - I verified in Mednafen. If I switch to Flash, boot, then switch back to sram32, I can save, but it's kind of cumbersome because I have to turn autosave off then manually save and load for that specific game.

Update The Second: No, that doesn't work either. You can get Waialae to save with that trick, but I can't find any way to load the save, no matter when I swap over to sram. Auto will just overwrite it with an empty save and manual never seems to load it or it needs to happen at a very specific time and I'm not able to hit it.

So EEPROM4 is correct for the DB file, it will just stop you from getting past the screen.

[languid dune]

That is very odd.

[manic basin]

<bane>Oooh. That's...that's a poser.</bane>

Rumble in this game is a trip... very cool add

[safe robin]

i have no luck, i get either the no face patch or the multiplayer patch running until the face would come and it crashes

but when i combine both after each other i just get a black screen.

i ran the normal working rom before trying these so the auto_detect works with the old values

[manic basin]

Try this....do the multi patch, then after that's patched, run @weary palm's no face tool on that patch.

Should work.

[safe robin]

oh there is a tool now? 🙂 ill check

[manic basin]

You can't run a patch on a patch (I mean, you CAN but it won't work right). However his tool just raw edits the 14 00 00 78 out of the byte stream to change it to the skip values, so it live patches.

(I assume....I haven't actually looked at it, but I'm guessing)

[marble cargo]

Finally, the anti-speedrun strat has arrived.

[manic basin]

ips/bps expect a set byte order and are built off of a diff between that and the rom someone created as the patch. Once you patch a base rom once, it's no longer the expected bytes for a second rom. But that tool should just automagically work on any rom.

[cerulean elk]

lol just realized its almost 4 and missed my own video going out

[chilly ember]

So paper mario will work if mario stays stationary?

[manic basin]

HAHAHAHAHAHA

My god. Perfect wordplay

[safe robin]

thanks! that worked!

[cerulean elk]

dad joke for the win

[junior yarrow]

or if you walk very slowly

[cerulean elk]

Dithering is loose

[eternal island]

paper mario no smoke patch incoming?

[manic basin]

I think it's pretty TOIGHT!

[junior yarrow]

so thats why the opening crashes when luigi walks out of the house

hes making dust

[stone pilot]

yeah there's a paper-thin margin

[cerulean elk]

vid should be a fun one

[zealous hull]

We need a boo emote

[manic basin]

Maybe it's a problem with text/tiles

huh? HUH?

[zealous hull]

Not the ghost, the action.

[manic basin]

<boothisman.png>

[eternal island]

"Paper Mario: Smoking is Bad Edition"

exclusive to mister

[manic basin]

"I lost my papers" Mario

[eternal island]

oh i like that one

use that

[junior yarrow]

im sure tlb is used for other things, but i would assume it calls on it for particle effects in particular

if i try to set my partner to Watt the game crashes too

because she constantly has little lightning particles around her

[eternal island]

makes sense

[junior yarrow]

since parakarry makes no particles, he flys down in the opening without incident lol

[languid dune]

Seriously, I just tried it. First time playing the rumble version and it is wild! Seriously cool. It did take some getting used to hearing some of the announcer's new lines and some of the existing lines are delivered a bit differently. The updated music on the first track is also weird sounding to me after decades of playing the original version.

[viral portal]

It's a right triangle, you idiot!

[manic basin]

D'Oh!

[cerulean elk]

@knotty zealot is uninvited to the party btw

there was gonna be a cake and pinata too

[manic basin]

Viva piñata!

[cerulean elk]

inside was gonna be free DE10 boards too

but parties cancelled

[manic basin]

Also, viva Viva Piñata.

[weary beacon]

better have horstachio

[manic basin]

"It was just 'chata' until I drank it."

[cerulean elk]

parties cancelled...sorry. Keeping all the cake and MiSTers to myself

[cerulean elk]

they used to just call it a jumpoline until @brisk drum mom got on one

[brisk drum]

That’s it no icky Oktoberfest for U!

[cerulean elk]

you know you are my chosen target because you are just north of me

state rivalry

[brisk drum]

https://tenor.com/view/bringiton-woman-bigdaddy-gif-25299900

You show up I’ll outdrink you hands down

[cerulean elk]

no chance

humble brag...nobody has done it yet

I an the Wade Boggs of drinking

[brisk drum]

Even if I don’t ! The lack of gunfire would be enough for you admit Wisconsin is superior

[weary beacon]

I like those cheese curds.

[cerulean elk]

culture and gunfire over cheese curds and bloody marys...FIGHT

[brisk drum]

We shall see

[manic basin]

@cerulean elk - I'm glad YT compression didn't completely squash those examples. But it did totally do a number on it. Freakin' YT.

[compact depot]

When is Vaseline Injection dropping?

[cerulean elk]

yeah its better than I hoped but still pretty shite

[knotty zealot]

himynameisawbaconidontevenbreatheijusttalktalktalk

[brisk drum]

God lord he’s piss drunk again

[kind solar]

i've gotten used to the lack of breathing in the videos now

[weary beacon]

That's why he lets you listen to the music. That's when he breethes.

[compact depot]

It reminded me of someone saying he gets anxiety when he sees Lon.tv videos lol

[manic basin]

I'll take no pause any day of the week over 'uh.....<5 seconds> ...next thought...<3 seconds>.....same words again....<3 seconds>' of the early YT days of retro videos. Compress that data! But hey, it also keeps the metrics nice by preventing 2x watchers. Hehe.

[kind solar]

2x watchers are weird

[carmine kettle]

does nso rumble works on snac?

[weary beacon]

What sorcery is this?

[manic basin]

I use it for specifically one thing. Davinic Resolve tutorials. Every single one is "ok, and ... ok I just... ....and we open...."

And then the actual meat of the tutorial is all a 1/2 second flash (even at .25 speed).

Every time.

[carmine kettle]

that a no then

[wraith estuary]

NSO N64 are usb and bluetooth, so no, Snac wouldn't work at all.

[cerulean elk]

aint that the truth

[manic basin]

Correct. It requires a USB driver and is not wired up to give direct signals to the original hardware.

[carmine kettle]

i have n64blueooth receiver

[manic basin]

So SNAC is out.

[cerulean elk]

haha its def not one track, break, another track

audio is laid in like 10-15 sections

[versed cairn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nllM5JFUz2k&ab_channel=VideoGameEsoterica

[manic basin]

Oh, I missed this part. In that case, the answer is 'maybe but you'd have to try it' and check all of the above threads re: rumble over BT. Is it this one? https://8bitmods.com/n64-blueretro-bt-controller-receiver-with-memory-pak-original-grey/

[carmine kettle]

i tried it doesnt work

[manic basin]

How far behind is the SNAC build? It's pretty far back right now, right?

Oh cool, totally up to date!

I'm so spoiled getting the updates in thread I just assumed no updates meant no new build.

[carmine kettle]

snac build is up to date as the current build

[manic basin]

Yeah, I saw.

[marble cargo]

I will say the analog and dpad switch option is pretty handy for Super Smash Bros.

[carmine kettle]

testing the nso controller with bluetooth receiver

everything works put no rumble

[manic basin]

I'm guessing that the n64 BT uses xinput for sending rumble signals.

[carmine kettle]

even as i configure in the web gui

[manic basin]

Since it works with PS/Xbox controllers.

[carmine kettle]

oh

[manic basin]

It's not going to bridge it as an NSO controller.

It's going to abstract it as an x-input (most likely. That's my guess)

[desert crow]

no paks with snac yet, it only does controllers right now.

[manic basin]

There you go.

Hah! It even says it right in the pin. I need to learn to read.

[carmine kettle]

so do i smh

[chilly ember]

No snac Paks 😦

[desert crow]

Right now I'm just reading the controller and passing the values to core when needed.

[manic basin]

I thought I was your snack pack.

[desert crow]

The core gets the read controller command and the next cycle it gives the result. so pif code might need a little rework to get snac working fully.

I just did it the other way as a temporary thing to test stuff out.

[manic basin]

It works really well for what it does. Thank you for your work @desert crow !

[carmine kettle]

thank blue for the insight of this

[desert crow]

the problem is it takes time to send and receive all the bits of the different commands. and core doesn't account for that or at least it didn't last I looked.

[round rune]

Seeing some conflicting reports… is the 8bitdo N64 modkit working on MiSTer today?

[carmine kettle]

what kind of reportS?

[weary beacon]

The obvious answer is not in snac mode. D-input should work in usb mode. NSO mode should work with the NSO stuff.

[carmine kettle]

it works the only problem i have seen it that you have to re-pair it

[round rune]

Someone on Reddit in a comment thread mentioned that one of the c buttons and z analog

Didn’t work

But then I went to the GitHub and saw a closed issue suggesting all was good

Thanks for the confirmation! I’ve ordered these in hopes of building the ultimate Mario party.

[orchid nimbus]

It’s Reddit - it’s filled with idiots

My final answer

[round rune]

Yep!

[thorny marten]

the internet as a whole is filled with idiots..lol

[orchid nimbus]

I have synced and configured 5 different controllers

Brawler 64 / tribute 64 / ps4 controller and 2 different SN30 pros

[round rune]

Awesome!

[orchid nimbus]

All work

[thorny marten]

I'm using a tribute 64

[orchid nimbus]

I like the brawler64 more - but the tribute ain’t bad

[thorny marten]

i like it i'm just kinda wanting something shaped like a actual n64 controller

[orchid nimbus]

Biggest difference is the D-Pad

[thorny marten]

yeah its not something i use alot the dpap on the original n64 controller wasnt that great either

[orchid nimbus]

dpap 🙂 nice

dpap == crappy dpad 😉

[rose elbow]

gamecube controller has a bit of a dpap

maybe its not all that bad but just the positioning

[thorny marten]

I cant thing of a game that i played on n64 that used it

[orchid nimbus]

I use it for the mister rom selector menu

press down registers left or right

😄

amazing

[rose elbow]

cries in Mischief Makers

Control Stick Not Used 🚫

[thorny marten]

I do want to get a usb gamecube type controller..I like the c stick better for certain games

[rose elbow]

ive had the inkling feeling to grab another gamecube controller just to hord up loool

like the recent wii/wiiu/switch smash bro models.. they're quite nice

[orchid nimbus]

lol

[elfin relic]

yeah I bought up a few of the new smash bros controllers

just to have around

[rose elbow]

its too good an opportunity to not grab an extra

[orchid nimbus]

so anyone writing cheats for the n64 yet? 😉

[brisk drum]

When you tell your 5 year old not to hit the cuckoo .. and she looks at you like why ?