Nintendo 64

[languid dune]

I actually did rent War Gods back in the day. But I never rented Brian 64.

[mortal panther]

Plus... "True 3D Fighting Environment!™️"

[surreal summit]

It's honestly technically impressive. Could have been the N64's Soul Calibur if they had spent a little more time on the actual gameplay.

[languid dune]

I always refer to War Gods as a more jank version of Mortal Kombat 4.

[mortal panther]

It's funny how some like to complain about the price of games today (mainly AAA titles). I'm like "I'm guessing you never bought N64 cartridges almost 30 years ago as they were released..."

[surreal summit]

Imagine paying $70 for War Gods. 💀

[languid dune]

I paid $70 for Chrono Trigger back in the day.

[mortal panther]

Worth it!

[surreal summit]

Worth every penny.

[languid dune]

Indeed! Still have it.

[zinc dew]

That’s not appreciated here. Please don’t make those jokes.

[mortal panther]

Not only my favorite SNES game, but one of my favorites still on any platform... RPG or otherwise.

Gaming perfection.

[primal bolt]

the snes is better than the psx version right

[languid dune]

Yeah

[mortal panther]

Has a charm that the PlayStation version never quite captured.

[zinc dew]

Thank you very much. It’s genuinely appreciated that y’all are respectful.

[languid dune]

PS1 version has loading and some audio bugs.

[primal bolt]

other than that its the same?

[mortal panther]

Though the PS version has some very 'Akira Toriyama' cut scenes.

[primal bolt]

ideally they should have remastered the soundtrack with cd audio or something

[surreal summit]

I don't like the anime cutscenes, personally.

[mortal panther]

Almost looks like lost alternate universe Dragon Ball footage with a Chrono Trigger veneer.

[hexed knot]

DS version had best of both worlds, didn't it?

[primal bolt]

whats better Lunar on Saturn or PSX?

[mortal panther]

The cut scenes just didn't work for me.

Sega CD. 😉

[primal bolt]

I heard sega cd is people's favorite

but if we take that out of the equasion

[mortal panther]

Personally prefer the PlayStation versions.

[languid dune]

Yeah, other than the anime cutscenes.

[languid dune]

Depends on if you want english voice acting or not. Vanilla PS1 Lunar has Working Designs' usual changes (game is harder, pop culture references, etc.), but there's a patch that fixes those issues.

[wraith estuary]

That's an impressive shiny USB cable!

[primal bolt]

I wouldn't "need" voices, just subtitles

[mortal panther]

I'll seek out Un-Worked Designs patches at every opportunity. I love that they brought those releases over to the US, but couldn't stand what they did in the process.

[primal bolt]

ive heard alot complain about working designs changes in games

but I cant comment on them without playing them

[languid dune]

I actually don't hate the difficulty changes in the Lunar games, but the pop culture stuff is just bad.

[primal bolt]

I do have the un-worked designs patches

[mortal panther]

Back then on the Sega CD when they were new and fresh, I didn't know I was playing an 'inferior' version of Lunar or Lunar 2... I was just playing freakin' awesome RPGs that I had a great time with.

[languid dune]

Same

[mortal panther]

30 years later, I then learned better... and had fun all over again. 🙂

[hollow badger]

On the N64 NSO controller, the c-down button brings up the menu. how do i change that?

[languid dune]

Lunar 1 and 2 are amazing games. Both on Sega CD and PS1/Saturn. I wasn't a big fan of the GBA remake of Lunar 1 though.

[mortal panther]

The PSP version was good, I thought. I enjoyed playing that one on the Vita.

[languid dune]

You'll need to remap it in the main OSD.

[mortal panther]

...then map all of the N64-specific buttons in the N64 core.

[languid dune]

The OSD menu button can't be mapped in any core specific menu since it's a global button.

[hollow badger]

Thanks so much.
This?

[mortal panther]

For what it's worth, I mapped my MiSTer Menu button to the little round button next to the R button. Easy enough to access but not hit accidentally.

[hollow badger]

Worth a lot. Great idea!

[surreal summit]

Anyone able to get Rumble to work with the official WiiU/Switch Gamecube adaptor?

[inner garden]

does the nightly unstable build include the n64 analog controls fix by default yet?

[hollow badger]

Only got left and right for analog motion now for some reason. I'll remap and see if that fixes it

[compact depot]

Unstable main from #unstable-nightlies has those fixes @reef citrus

[inner garden]

Is that what the update script is downloading?

[compact depot]

No

You need to update it either manually or via alternate script

[inner garden]

Is there a way to change the update script to get the right version? Do you happen to have a fixed script?

[fleet coyote]

downloaded the newest unstable mister build and my NSO controller isnt responding at all wired over usb-c. Anyone got any ideas?

[stuck summit]

Anyone experiencing input issues on latest unstable? None of my controllers are working properly after updating. Inputs fail to register sometimes

[hollow badger]

Fixed. Thanks again

[inner garden]

#URLs
url="https://vampier.net/N64/getlast.php"
urlmain="https://api.github.com/repos/MiSTer-unstable-nightlies/Main_MiSTer/releases"

This is the URLs at the top of my update script

[compact depot]

@inner garden this is what I use in order to get latest unstable main plus all unstable cores (except for N64 that needs special entry in downloader.ini - check pins)

[orchid nimbus]

hey that's my script 😄

[compact depot]

That script is awesome!

[inner garden]

Isn't that the Main_MiSTer you mentioned?

[compact depot]

Didn't know it was yours, @orchid nimbus

[inner garden]

@orchid nimbus so isn't your script already correct?

else why would we download it at all

[mortal panther]

How dare you use his script without permission!

[hollow badger]

Now my "B" button for some reason only registers as "A". And "A" is still "A".

I think it has something to do with remapping F12 on the keyboard to "B" on keyboard. Did that by accident. How do I reset key bindings on keyboard menu shortcuts?

[compact depot]

I paid top dollar for that script 🤔

[orchid nimbus]

the script works - but I would use the update_all json addition

however update_all doesn't switch to mister unstable

https://vampier.net/N64/

more information here

[orchid nimbus]

ripped off 😛

[compact depot]

The script I sent deals with mister unstable

[orchid nimbus]

demand money back

[hollow badger]

Because F12 no longer brings up menu
(Also thank you Vampier for the N64 guide)

[orchid nimbus]

np 🙂 glad it helped someone

f12 should always bring up the menu

[hollow badger]

I accidently rebinded it

To "B" on the keyboard

[orchid nimbus]

not sure where the binding are stored

probably in settings

[hollow badger]

Since then, "B" on my controller is now "A" which is wierd I dunno why it would affect that

Even remapping controller before core and remapping in core, B is still A.

[mortal panther]

It helps everyone (who actually read it). 😏

[orchid nimbus]

yeah the last 2 QA things are a total nonsense

[hollow badger]

Yeah F12 no longer brings up menu. It closes it still, though.

[orchid nimbus]

this was my PSX nonsense line

[inner garden]

I just want to know if the script to specifically update n64 gets the mister version with analog stick fix

but so far I saw a totally unrelated script

oh ok

more posts were made

looks like it should be ok

thank you just wanted to make sure

[orchid nimbus]

yeah not going to adjust my script everytimes a temp. thing comes up

things will get synced eventually

I have a life outside Discord

albeit it is very limited on time

[inner garden]

now I’m confused again

[hollow badger]

Me too. "B" is "A"

[stuck summit]

Can anyone check if they're experiencing a regression on latest unstable? Inputs are just super wonky and inconsistent for me on all my controllers. I'm not sure if I'm doing something wrong, but reverting back to a prior main_MiSTer fixed the issue so I'm sure something's wrong

Issue I'm having is that sometimes inputs don't register. Like trying to punch repeatedly with Mario on Mario 64, sometimes B doesn't register and he doesn't punch

like in 6 inputs, one drops

[orchid nimbus]

game?

[stuck summit]

any game really

[orchid nimbus]

oh sm64

[stuck summit]

but Mario 64 is easier to reproduce

[orchid nimbus]

no issues here

[surreal summit]

Check in a controller test ROM?

[inner garden]

trying Mario 64 on latest now

I did an analog stick test and it was max good

[stuck summit]

yeah, stick looks good to me too. It's just that inputs are failing occasionally

[orchid nimbus]

I only had that with Extreme-G 2

[stuck summit]

I'll try updating with the script instead of manually updating

[carmine kettle]

you got highs jack of your scripts

[fair stump]

That game feels like you're getting a ton of extra inputs

[orchid nimbus]

for me it feels like 3/4th of the inputs are dropped

[stuck summit]

That's what I'm experiencing, but in every game

[fair stump]

My rear view would just flip back and forth like crazy while holding the button

[orchid nimbus]

^^ same

and left/right are hardly responsive

[fair stump]

Yeah, I took it as multiple presses flipping the camera but who knows, we're definitely seeing the same thing

[inner garden]

just finished the first start of Mario 64 and nothing so far. I am using a Dreamcast controller through a Trio Linker Plus II

[stuck summit]

Alright I'll try updating via the script

I did manual update so maybe that caused issues idk

[inner garden]

try turning off fast usb polling off if using usb but no idea if it helps hehe

[quasi storm]

Guys, I'm promoting Turok: Dinosaur Hunter to perfect. No errors, textures are no longer squished, hud shows...

[twin barn]

vamp

[quasi storm]

Will test some more to be sure

[twin barn]

are the inputs feeling better with the new linux build and all that?

[stuck summit]

Ok, that was literally it. Deleted the unstable, updated using the update_unstable script and it's working great now

[hexed knot]

Eventually we're going to have to collectively call Quebt 64 "Perfect". Maybe we can change that tag to Complete instead.

[quasi storm]

I'll have to grab them. Please excuse my ignorance, but...

1. Can that he grabbed from update all?

2)does it include the joystick fixes?

I'll be streaming this goodness shortly!

[surreal summit]

I would use this after running update_all. #1096015979055697940 message

[quasi storm]

Thank you, I'll run it before I get started.

[inner garden]

FYI Mario 64 has insane flaws should look like bowser

jk not that insane

I did save and quit and it crashed

black screen

after killing bowser

[zealous hull]

Oh wow. Is there a specific version you played?

[inner garden]

the one where all it has is the intro face removed

nothing special

[zealous hull]

Understood. Just wanted to be sure. SM64 USA has been very very stable for me. I was just surprised.

[inner garden]

it was fine until I beat bowser and did save and quit

but the texture blend is not working for this portrait

[zealous hull]

I'll try to reproduce it if I have time this week. You just beat lobby bowser and save and quit?

[inner garden]

yeah grab the key then choose “save and quit”

[zealous hull]

Cool. This is helpful, thank you.

[surreal summit]

US No-Intro with just the no face patch yes?

[mortal apex]

I think save and quit loads the stretchy face with some of the patches.

[zealous hull]

Oh.

Well, that would explain it.

Regardless, there is the portrait issue.

Who will win?

A seasoned, highly-capable FPGA developer with years of experience.

Or a stretchy Italian?

[mortal apex]

I'm putting my money on option one 🙂

[zealous hull]

Same, tbh

[stuck summit]

insert "playable game by christmas" meme

I swear I'll probably always remember this whenever I hear the phrase "underpromise / overdeliver" lol

[quick arch]

Yesterday when I tried Choro Q 64 (Maybe It is on Penny Racer too). When I pass the finish line at the third tour it seems the game halts for one second before to say finish.

[mortal apex]

Me too. The thing is, even one game playable by christmas seemed almost too good to be true back earlier this year.

[zealous hull]

In my experience that's what all devs should do.

[mortal apex]

FPGAzoomsPast every expectations haha

[wanton sun]

that always happens when it updates the eeprom for record times. Other games have that too, e.g. mario kart

[zealous hull]

The man himself.

Just wanted to echo how much I appreciate your work, Robert. Hope you have a great day.

[zenith orchid]

zoomSpastExpectations 👍

[wanton sun]

Thank you 🙂

[inner garden]

that’s right

[wanton sun]

save and quit goes back to the face screen and crashes. Same for loosing all lives. There is a special patch that will remove it there also, but i can't remember where to find, it was posted here in discord

make sure you use the latest core. Haven't seen any more reports for random crashes in mario64, apart from the save+quit and all lives lost above. Played it myself for 2-3 hours now with the new version

[inner garden]

@wanton sun have you seen the missing pixels in the rendering? That’s the main noticeable thing right now to me. Like a z buffer issue or idk

[wanton sun]

i could make the slot empty for 1-2 seconds when the pak was switched to fix that

[wanton sun]

the bowser picture?

or what do you mean?

[orchid nimbus]

I guess the stairs at the Mario 64 entrance hall on the stairs

which is more and AA thing than anything else I guess

[chilly ember]

Princess peach doesn't transform to bowser in painting/portrait the closer you get

[hexed knot]

Improvement, it's just a more devious trap now.

[surreal summit]

Peach/Bowser portait transition doesn't seem to work in any version, good catch @inner garden

[quick arch]

ok thanks for the information !

[surreal summit]

Can't reproduce. You mind trying this patch I linked to earlier to see if that fixes it? It seems to skip all 3 possible face screens: #1096015979055697940 message

[zenith orchid]

that portrait transition initially scared me as a kid. Mainly the in-between transition

[quasi storm]

The portrait effect is done with mipmaps or LOD, which isn't in yet. Im sure that once those are implemented this effect will work as intended.

[wanton sun]

that makes sense, yes

[surreal summit]

I thought LOD was already in but I just looked at the notes and there are different types so that makes sense.

[wanton sun]

LOD is not in

[inner garden]

in general, very easy to see in Mario 64, there are what look like missing pixels in the rendering

[wanton sun]

the main reason is that i didn't found any game yet where it's really visible

[inner garden]

maybe I can make a video if you don’t see it but stare at mario while moving around

the weird missing or overlapping pixels always show up

and there’s almost an odd black outline to things

[wanton sun]

mario64 really depends on the VI features to don't have stray pixels. one example: (it's not the same frame, but you get the idea)

[surreal summit]

Some of those are going to be because dithering/AA isn't in yet. If you patch ROMs on actual hardware to remove the blur you will get stray pixels.

[inner garden]

interesting

TIL

[primal bolt]

TIL = Talk to I Later?

[inner garden]

today I learned

[primal bolt]

00f

[inner garden]

and now you can say TIL

[primal bolt]

TIL what TIL means

[inner garden]

I have some very compact perfect triangle drawing code. Would be funny if we could make an N64+

[primal bolt]

triangle is perfection in creation

[surreal summit]

Good example is the black pixels next to the stars on stage select. (Pic1: MiSTer, Pic 2: Original Hardware, Pic 3: Original Hardware With Deblur Patch Applied to the ROM)

[vapid ember]

@orchid nimbus Recently read on Vampier site the Update_64 script isn't updated anymore, My usual practice it to run update_all and then run update_N64 to get the latest unstable, N64 build and database. I have a new build from todays run of the script. What is the best way to keep up with the N64_Database and latest build or changes? I'm confused since the old Update_N64 script seems to be still working.

[primal bolt]

it says to add the line of text to downloader.ini

so when you run update all it will download the n64 core and database file

[versed cairn]

I was also thinking about this missing/edge pixel thing that doesn’t show up on real hardware even with the blur disabled. I can show examples in most games but thought it wasn’t time to get nitpicky yet

[weary palm]

IPS patch crash like this, the BPS won't.

[vapid ember]

I will add its just odd that the old script is still working today.

Also no one who uses the update_64 script will know to use it unless they happen to visit back to Vampier site

[versed cairn]

Never mind. I went to double check on real hardware and you get peaking pixels through the hat and arm there too

[surreal summit]

Vasaline cures all

[uncut gyro]

sometimes these pixel peeping issues are much deeper, like not supporting unaligned reads, memory/bus latch timing inaccuracies, etc

so it’s worth mentioning, especially if you have a fast repro from cold ROM boot since that can be stepped manually in the slow C++-based simulator

[versed cairn]

I guess the one big one that’s easy to see that doesn’t happen on real hardware is the missing gap in the forest entrance in the oot start screen

But it’s probably too early to point out small stuff

[wanton sun]

there are still issues e.g. at the end/start of each horizontal line for 2 pass rendering that i need to work on

probably a lot of all that is hidden once the VI is done, so that the priority is relativly low

[vapid hawk]

morning team

[versed cairn]

Ah that makes sense then. No worries. Excited for VI

[languid dune]

You say good morning. I say good night! 🌛

[hollow rune]

@wanton sun that was a fun Patreon post. Your Debugging adventure was delightful.

[surreal summit]

Well I just fixed the controller issue I was having by deleting the gamecontrollerdb.txt and downloading a new one.

[iron dove]

Hey @orchid nimbus
I noticed that the link in your FAQ's 'NSO N64 setup' section points to shigs older zImage_dtb that has the range modifications baked in (#test-builds message)
ATM we want the bit later one from the pins that shig merged without the range change (#unstable-nightlies message) and the latest unstable main to do the range modification

[quasi storm]

@cerulean elk I don't believe I've seen any footage of Turok, fully working in your videos. Feel free!
(Edit)

I have the raw video, too, if you want it.

[iron dove]

the new setup seems to work great for me with my wired NSO controller, now gives perfect result in the test
With the older zImage_dtb and latest stable main it was off a little (#1096015979055697940 message)

Thanks so much to shig, lemonici, markun, wikerwaka and anyone else who helped getting the analog input sorted 🙂

[quasi storm]

So, that link you just posted there, is that the recommended one to use?

[iron dove]

for an NSO controller?

you now want the unstable zImage_dtb and unstable main from the pins, yeah
#1096015979055697940 message

[quasi storm]

I meant in general. I'm still wrestling with the brawler 64 controller, and every bit helps

[iron dove]

my understanding is that's the setup you want for all controllers yeah

[quasi storm]

Actually, I think I already have that one.

[iron dove]

the unstable zImage_dtb file adds the driver to make NSO work via USB and some other improvements, the unstable main does the range modification

[nova grotto]

Where can I get this exact homebrew what is it called ?

[iron dove]

the controller test?

its in that same pin of robby's 🙂
#1096015979055697940 message

load it, press start a few times to get to that test
The other tests in it are handy too, can see the range change smoothly as you move the stick between centre and full travel

its literally called controllertest, by sanni
https://github.com/sanni/controllertest/tree/master/N64-Port

[quasi storm]

Hmm. Maybe Turok is NOT perfect yet? At 26:36 in my video there appears to be some sort of rapid bullet impact sound when some enemies fire. It was so rapid that it actually affected the frame rate (Which isn't saying much, considering its the 64, but still XD). It happened a few times while I was streaming. Core bug? I know its too early to really be talking about these things. It just stood out to me.

I think Imma flip through my library for the Compatibility tracker

[rich delta]

TLB speeds up virtual memory accesses and virtual memory 'extends' memory space not the memory itself. It actually just allows an indirection of memory addresses which provides for a powerful set of functionality given all it actually does - on a modern pc everything from dealing with security to virtualization to fragmentation.

[wanton sun]

TLB actually make things slower, because it needs to be managed. It can make programming easier by allowing virtual memory, but the game will always be slower than with direct memory addressing

[vapid hawk]

i wonder what rare were using it for in goldeneye/perfect dark etc

doesn't seem their style

[lament escarp]

Could tlb be patched out on a per game basis?

[wanton sun]

probably helps creating larger worlds

no, i don't think it can be patched out, at least not easily. Maybe in a decompiled version

[daring meteor]

Could it be patched out easily out of, e.g Mario Golf?

[vapid hawk]

there is a decomp of perfect dark now

[mild ether]

I was really trying to wrap my head around how TLB made sense to use but that makes sense if it makes programming easier. I just couldn't see how it was supposed to make things more efficient.

It's extra steps.

[wanton sun]

C++ doesn't make your code run faster than assembler and still people use it

[mild ether]

I was going in with the thought they were trying to squeeze out as much performance as possible on N64.

[wanton sun]

virtual memory allows you to handle different processes and they don't have to care where in memory their work, they just use whatever they need. Unless the memory runs out, this is much easier to handle

[vapid hawk]

is it a feature of the cpu that made more sense in another application ?

or was it something specifically made for n64

[wanton sun]

the cpu is not custom in that point, so e.g. if you would want to run linux on it, you need it

[mild ether]

Feature of mips.

[vapid hawk]

yeah the same cpu was used in workstations i think? and render farms?

[wanton sun]

usually the not-cut-down version was used, but it shares many features

[mild ether]

There is a Linux rom for n64 I suppose that is why it doesn't run.

https://github.com/clbr/n64bootloader/tree/master/n64linux

[wanton sun]

the linux for n64 is even worse. It doesn't just need the TLB, it needs the TLB in 64bit mode. Something no game needs.

you can see the difference in decoding here in ares: https://github.com/ares-emulator/ares/blob/master/ares/n64/cpu/memory.cpp

first 3 functions are 32bit mode, the next 3 are 64bit mode

the kernelSegment64 function is insane. Keep in mind that this must be evaluated for every instruction fetch additionally on the critical path

So most likely i will not implement that, only what is needed for the games

[maiden wyvern]

we may never see linux running on a de10

[vapid hawk]

can't you already run it on ao486? (linux)

[wanton sun]

but linux runs on every mister that isn't broken 😛

[vapid hawk]

that too lol

[maiden wyvern]

🤔

[daring meteor]

I think you might want to check what mister kernel means

[vapid hawk]

this seems fine, if someones dying to run linux they can probably make a dedicated workstation core based on your mips

[wanton sun]

a dedicated linux core wouldn't need the cpu at 93mhz and don't need the RDP and other things, so it would fit easily

[vapid hawk]

yeah

[mild ether]

I can live without ever running Linux on a n64, I just thought it was interesting someone actually made it.

[rich delta]

I think you meant virtual memory rather than TLB in the first sentence there - surely TLB is just a cache to speed up recent virtual page look ups. Its virtual memory access that is slower than direct memory access.

[rich delta]

Virtual memory back on these consoles would be primarily used to combat memory fragmentation - thats what we used it for at least

[wanton sun]

can you do virtual memory without tlb? i currently cannot imagine how

maybe the buffer in TLB leads to confusion? the TLB in the MIPS cpu is just a 32 entry table that translates virtual to real addresses

there is no address translation possible without going through that table

[daring meteor]

You could just use a "dumb" one that translates virtual to real addresses and has no entries

I wanted to say "68851" but apperently that one has a TLB
Maybe 286?

[timid torrent]

@wanton sun is it possible to wire the TLB to just always miss and therefore save the LEs? I’m curious how bad it would hurt performance.

[wanton sun]

with always miss, the cpu would get an exception, the code would reload the TLB table, then tries again and gets another miss. There is no fallback, a miss just indicated that the table must be updated and the same action is tried again

the table can be smaller, but it must have at least 1 entry

however, if a game uses multiple entries (e.g. function calling a subfunction multiple times) the overhead for exchanging would be huge. Could easily break down to 1% performance

[hybrid spade]

I'd rather see IRIX load on a MIPS core than Linux. There are no MIPS emulators out there that run IRIX outside of MAME. And MAME's performance is awful. Just being able to load Power Animator would be incredible

[compact depot]

Can this table be placed outside the FPGA?

[inner bronze]

That would make the performance penalty far worse

[vapid hawk]

it has to have like same-cycle speed iirc

[compact depot]

It would be cool to see what’s the real impact on real games

[vapid hawk]

its not really the size thats the problem iirc

its like, the amount of complexity it introduces into a critical circuit path

[inner bronze]

The issue is the time it takes to compare the entire table and translate the address in one cycle

[vapid hawk]

at this point i can't wait for it to be implemented just so we can stop talking about it 😄

[inner bronze]

Im not sure what people's obsession with it is

Is it really that magical

I guess it might as well be gibberish to most when they hear why GoldenEye doesnt work

[vapid hawk]

no its really very boring standard feature of almost every modern cpu 😄

[viral portal]

It's important because oitxpazutioedhasfmexvdzpirqlkfb.

[inner bronze]

So if we implement the oitxpazutioedhasfmexvdzpirqlkfb we can play GoldenEye?

[vapid hawk]

we should just call it the goldeneye buffer

its got gold in it thats why its so hard to program

thankfully Robert is an alchemist

[inner bronze]

Middle name Midas

[hearty oar]

it's a bit unfortunate that it also just happens to cause the most popular game on the system to be unable to boot without a romhack because of a silly demo

[compact depot]

Wait isn’t that the reason why Conker doesn’t work? 🤔

[wanton sun]

yes, it prevents the most silly game of the system to work...oh wait

[vapid hawk]

can someone make a patch to add TLB features to daikatana so it stops working again please

[hearty oar]

need advanced TLB rings for Superman 64

[quasi storm]

I'm back from testing... got about halfway through my library before my bed called me. I DID mark a few games as Perfect, because let's face it, Some of them may as well be. Besides, if anyone was going to break the ice, it may as well be me.

[wanton sun]

nothing perfect yet without VI beautifier 🙂

[vapid hawk]

i thought we were waiting for vi before we used perfect

[quasi storm]

I can rescind them...

[daring meteor]

Yeah whenever VI with full effects gets in they're perfect

[vapid hawk]

like gamma and dither/dedither need to be in

[daring meteor]

Yeah and they are both easily noticable

[vapid hawk]

before you can call it pefect, even if you were going to turn off the horizontal blur anyway

just my opinion anyway

[hearty oar]

it doesn't look like an n64 game with razor sharp pixels

[native mesa]

Vaseline fixes everything

[quasi storm]

Demoted to playable. Got over excited.

[daring meteor]

I think it should be completeble?

[quasi storm]

I guess that's a fair compromise. But Ive already undone the perfects, and left the app 😦

It may have been a little late to be testing anyway. Core will be obsolete soon, I'm sure.

[cerulean elk]

It’s not N64 if it doesn’t look like you rubbed Vaseline on your tv lol

[native mesa]

Completable is a weird metric anyway for the sheet

[quasi storm]

I agree, completeable without being perfect is just too granular.

[vapid hawk]

idk, you can easily complete a game while its not perfect

[native mesa]

It should be changed to a checkbox and removed from the states

[vapid hawk]

like re2 - definitely completable, might randomly crash and has visual artifacts

[quasi storm]

We already have playable.

Completeable should mean "consistently", in my opinion.

Not a struggle

[vapid hawk]

i had 1 crash in maybe 4 hours play though

[native mesa]

It's only verified comoletions

I hate morning heartburn

Getting old sucks

[wanton sun]

can we make a checkbox for " [x] game is bad, no need to fix" ?

[native mesa]

I think @cerulean elk made that joke yesterday haha

[quasi storm]

Just put a super man logo next to it

[cerulean elk]

Superman and the Elmo games would def fit that category

[quasi storm]

And War Gods, I've heard recently...

[hearty oar]

I won't be satisfied until John Romero can make me his bitch with perfect cycle accuracy

[mossy needle]

@quasi storm what happened to Banjo, did it hang at points?

[quasi storm]

Not at all.

[mossy needle]

Are we changing the competable metric?

[mortal panther]

Superman needs stretchy rings to really show off his strength.

[mossy needle]

Just so I'm not wasting my time completing DK64 if we are waiting until the core is more stable to mark completions

[wanton sun]

don't play anything just to have it as completeable in the list. the core will go through several changes anyway. Only play a game if you have fun with it 🙂

[mossy needle]

That makes sense

[wanton sun]

( i hope that sentence doesn't come back like a boomerang and superman will never be completeable in the list)

[daring meteor]

Someone please complete superman when VI is complete so we can have it on Perfect

[fair stump]

So far I've completed THPS with two characters, we'll see if I finish it with every single one by the time the core is finished 😉

[mossy needle]

At that rate Superman will never get past boot.

[vapid hawk]

yeah technically to mark re2 completable i need to finish it at least 3 more times for the various characters/scenarios

[mossy needle]

I'm having issues with THPS 1 and the text appearing super blocky and unreadable.

Unless this was already addressed

[mild ether]

A Indy core would be pretty nifty. Don't know what madman would actually sit down and make one though.

[hybrid spade]

hmm, how the heck do you setup PS5 controllers with the N64 core?

I can't get the Analog sticks to work properly

[quaint pewter]

I think @fair stump just remembers what all the items are. 🙂

The text is defo garbled 🙂

[hybrid spade]

I want the left analog stick to be the analog stick for the N64, and the d-pad to map to the d-pad. Right stick to be the C buttons

I can map the d-pad and the right stick, but I can't get the left stick to map to anything

[chrome quest]

Don't think it needs anything special. Did you go through mapping the controller from the MiSTer main menu first, including the analog stick?

[hybrid spade]

I might have just found it

The calibration is weird. The calibration goes through, and you have to skip the mouse calibration stuff, and then it gives you another joystick calibration, and that's the one you need.

got it, it's super weird

[drowsy lantern]

Can someone add "Crashes when you miss a checkpoint and lose in a Taj challenge"?

[native mesa]

Went down a daikatana rabbit hole

[mossy needle]

Added

[fair stump]

Oh yeah the text is illegible, I've just memorized how to load and continue my save 😄

[hybrid spade]

What's with the cutscene flicker in Rogue Squadron?

[mossy needle]

Nice!

[drowsy lantern]

Cruis’n USA is marked as playable but it’s completable.

[daring meteor]

I think most playable games are technically completable

[native mesa]

The core is incomplete

[hybrid spade]

It's weird how it only happens on NTSC and not PAL though

but PAL hangs/crashes in other parts of the game

[quaint pewter]

You have to take the rough with the smooth when you are testing an alpha core... As far as wips go it's spectacular.

[hybrid spade]

I'm playing the Nonnah mission in Rogue Squadron. It's Incredible. it's literally like playing on my N64

My N64 got stolen back in 2017 during a home break in, this is seriously special

I still have my cartridges too

[quaint pewter]

A burglar took my Dreamcast and GBA along with my step-daughters N64 back in about 2002 so I feel your pain.

[cerulean elk]

Needs more Bill Clinton

[daring meteor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htiGspUYa9c

[drowsy lantern]

Played quite a fair bit of Banjo-Kazooie yesterday as well. Game runs almost perfect now! Full speed, no more sound cuts, no more missing sprites in the HUD. There's only still a few odd-colored stray pixels showing up around Banjo's model.

[brisk edge]

Man I haven't thought about gaming in the Clinton years in a long time lol

[rich delta]

Isnt the big list of pages and what theyre mapped to called the page table and the TLB just caches the last x amount of virtual memory page lookups? Although from a hardware perspective I can absolutely see there isnt a need for specific hardware for that (slow) lookup. Does the definition differ between implementations?

[daring meteor]

In the N64 the CPU can only read from the cache

[drowsy lantern]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSDSKBIfRvE

[cerulean elk]

Lol wtf

[native mesa]

Classic

YouTube really fucked up the quality on old videos

[drowsy lantern]

In this case I think it's more a question of it being uploaded to and redownloaded from various streaming sites over the years, causing a quality degradation each time.

[native mesa]

I don't think so it's common with a lot of the old uploads.

@cerulean elk is a YouTube man maybe he has an answer

[cerulean elk]

@drowsy lantern is right. Looks like it’s been downloaded in lower quality then re-upped multiple times. Basically killing any bit rate / detail it had

YT compression is highly efficient but if you ever want to download your own video from Studio…quality is garbage. Send them a 10GB file? It’s coming back 150MB

Whatever magic sauce they have on the backend where your video looks pristine in app…you don’t get in return

[mossy needle]

More like Bilc Linton

[cerulean elk]

I keep my important exports local if I need them again because trying to cut from re-downloads isnt a great option

[weary palm]

You unlocked a core memory

[prisma ivy]

Wow that must have been some crazy coprocessor on that N64 cart 😛

[orchid nimbus]

the json that drives my script still works as I have rewritten to use @zakk's json and do some translation.

on my website you can find the instructions to add the 2 lines to the downloader.ini or whatever i'ts called

[orchid nimbus]

I thought that with the submission of @bronze tree's code into MiSTer unstable this was taken care off- I didn't have the time to remove it

[astral loom]

I read conflicting info, some say you have to run the downloader script and some say update_all script?

[orchid nimbus]

both work

but update_all takes care of much more

bios file for example

[iron dove]

You still want the unstable zImage_dtb file for the NSO USB driver and Rumble, but the slightly newer one from the pin 👍

[astral loom]

gotcha that's what I use, I havent used the downloader script in ages

[orchid nimbus]

@iron dove sorry not going to put that into the FAQ

[iron dove]

It's the same info as currently there just a newer link. Shrug removing works too, it's in the pin

The newer zImage without the range mod + latest unstable main with the range mod gives better results

[orchid nimbus]

you know - people now asking me question why the links don't work

because they link to posts here

so if they aren't here they can't see it anyway 😄

[zealous hull]

Better just host the files yourself. 😛

[orchid nimbus]

I'm sort of done with my FAQs

got a burn out of you will

especially this monring

[zealous hull]

That tracks, it looks like a lot of work.

Thanks for what you did though, Vampier. It was very helpful.

[iron dove]

Sorry wasn't a criticism, just an update to align with recent changes

[orchid nimbus]

I know

my foot hurts like a @#$@#$ for some reason - and no matter how I tilt it it still hurts

had pink eye and my vision is blurry

because of that I haver a massiver headache

so it's not you

[cerulean elk]

I’ll never not read script and think words on a page lol. But I guess that’s what it is. Just less dialogue and screen direction

[orchid nimbus]

my scripts are more technical than yours, youtube boy 😛

puts sunglasses on with an explosion in the background and the Who going 'YEAAAH!!!'

@modern sleet @cerulean elk and I are poking fun at eachother 😉

we're buds here on the server

but some people take it too personal lol

[cerulean elk]

Now I’m imagining that’s the Kool aid man lol

[hollow rune]

I will remember this

[orchid nimbus]

@cerulean elk

pepsiman's brother

[quaint pewter]

The last time I saw that meme it was "When will my kidneys turn into adultneys?"

[zinc dew]

We continue to get a lot of the same questions so I went ahead and updated the pins to include a Your Questions Answered pin. Please give me feedback if you see something missing, thank you.

#1096015979055697940 message

[hollow badger]

Does line doubling to a PC CRT not work in the n64 core?

[quaint pewter]

It's not that it doesn't work, it just hasn't been added yet?

[native mesa]

Robby what is HTGDB?

that might just confuse people

[quaint pewter]

Hardware Targeted Game Database

it might confuse people but it doesn't confuse Google LOL

[native mesa]

Plenty of people are using nointro romsets

[iron dove]

For official games it's the same as nointo big endian

[mortal panther]

Google confuses some people.

[orchid nimbus]

I'll incorporate those in my FAQ

[native mesa]

"N64-database.txt is required so the core loads games properly; check the pins for how to download." maybe include why? autoselection of cic etc...

[zinc dew]

If they’re confused then they can wait until the core is completed

[native mesa]

Well you're making an FAQ

[zinc dew]

I’m also not teaching people how to use google

[orchid nimbus]

doesn't it say "it contains per game settings that configure the core to play those games" ?

also both updater scripts should take care of it

[native mesa]

On yours yes vampier

[cerulean elk]

My wife I think

[native mesa]

we're talking about Robby's pin

[vague sun]

MARIO DOESNT WORK! WHY?

[orchid nimbus]

@vague sun pepsiman that's why 😄

[cerulean elk]

DONT become a college professor. That was half my job

I get comments near daily asking how to find something gaming wise. It’s almost always in the top 5 google results

[zinc dew]

Too much detail is bad. People just need to know you need this file so games load properly. I don’t want to add more confusion by incorporating acronyms for technical terms like C.IC.

People don’t need to know that

They just need to know you need this file for the game to load properly

[orchid nimbus]

https://vampier.net/N64/memes/

[balmy dagger]

First pin should be "If you aren't willing to deal with broken things and the need to fix them yourself, please wait until it is in main"

But like in that super friendly Robby way everyone loves.

[zinc dew]

@orchid nimbus’s description is better though

[orchid nimbus]

got more memes? let me know

[zinc dew]

This is 100% necessary

I’m not joking

[balmy dagger]

Do it.

[native mesa]

This is a bit misleading as well "To use original controllers you’ll need an IO Board, a SNAC adapter, and the latest"

[quaint pewter]

Bullet points are fine, and in this day and age a lot of people don't like to read it seems.

[zinc dew]

How so?

[orchid nimbus]

already got that covered

[native mesa]

There are plenty of other ways to use original controllers

[cerulean elk]

Not everyone gets WIP. Like if this is their first rodeo with a core in development they lack the language to parse what to expect

[zinc dew]

@native mesa I genuinely appreciate your comments, apologies if I’m being curt

[zinc dew]

Excellent point

I’ll remove the line

[balmy dagger]

I totally agree, but if you're in the dev thread on this Discord, you've chosen to step into it.

[drowsy lantern]

Or just anything in development at all.

[cerulean elk]

I have clients that don’t get “rough cut”…”we were expecting it to look better”…”that’s why it’s called rough. This is just to approve the narrative”…”ooh. Can you make it look better” 😩

[quaint pewter]

Can you make these story boards look like the finished product please?

[native mesa]

Yeah I do a lot of front end stuff too haha. smh

[balmy dagger]

Clients are the same in every industry 😂

[native mesa]

My CIO is like this. it's bad

[zinc dew]

Done, thank you

[drowsy lantern]

Back when I was game QA, most people would tell me "whoa so you play games everyday?", and I was more like "No I'm just barely able to get to where I need to be to validate that something works (or doesn't) because everything is so unfinished it's a miracle at all if you don't crash in the process.", and they were confused. It's like they think games are complete when you begin testing them lol.

[native mesa]

Are there 'fun testers'? The ones that test if something is fun?

[quaint pewter]

That's usually when you pull in a few randos to blind test and give feedback?

[zinc dew]

Yeah, I deal with that often

[hexed knot]

Generally those people are brought in from other areas of the company at key points, or occasionally from the public during play sessions.

[zinc dew]

It’s not that helpful

It is when it’s accessibility testing

[drowsy lantern]

There is no such thing unless the production specifically asks for it. We're encouraged to provide factual objective reports, not our opinions on whether something is fun. They've got playtest studies for that.

[zinc dew]

Or focused

At the places I worked at and currently work we have a feedback department that routinely pulls in random people to play the game and offer subjective feedback

[covert bough]

At msft there's a huge player testing lab where they recruit gamers

[zinc dew]

Yeah play testing

[hexed knot]

I got lucky when I was QA for games, our team was a LAN focused game that was pretty far along, so we'd just frag out all day and find bugs here and there.

[native mesa]

I think the problem with modern games is they are made by a bunch of game nerds

[cerulean elk]

This is like playing games for YT. It’s not fun. I’m not playing for enjoyment. I’m building a story in my head and trying to play the game a certain way for that story

[orchid nimbus]

I worked at a marketing department and the the head couldn't stand me and I couldn't stand her - they asked for feedback and I just said that everything was bland and reminded me of a sterile room where it smelled like grandma

[covert bough]

When I worked at treyarch there was hordes of QA testers constantly validating or invalidating the mp maps

[orchid nimbus]

never asked me for feedback again

[native mesa]

Did you make Spider-Man 2 the Movie The Game?

[covert bough]

That was way before my time

[native mesa]

bummer

[covert bough]

I worked on everyone's favorite

Black ops 4

[native mesa]

Carl on Doody

Black Cops

[covert bough]

There was guys there that had been there that long tho

Like since the Grey matter days

[quaint pewter]

codblobs... I must be the only person who only played the single player in COD games.

[zinc dew]

@covert bough I’m a Game Designer and I love QA

QA is incredible

[covert bough]

I came in thinking I would work on campaign lol

[zinc dew]

I routinely ask for their opinions on mechanics and systems

[covert bough]

Campaign was canceled on that one

Yeah they are diligent for sure

Some LDs I work with started as qa

[quaint pewter]

Single player mode or GTFO. I play games to escape from people not to be with them lol

[native mesa]

It had to be pretty easy at that point. I'm sure you can re-use a lot of assets

[cerulean elk]

I assume QA gets treated like a PA. Essential, some people love them but most people treat them like cave trolls

[native mesa]

easy as in less labour intense

[covert bough]

Yeah there was some stuff written about how QA was treated at treyarch specifically. I never had a bad experience

[covert bough]

I worked on the battle Royale which was all mashed up old MP maps and assets

[native mesa]

I'm glad I don't have to deal with SOX 404 or QA anymore

Just CCPA BS

Or whatever the new one is

[zinc dew]

I have an entire fucking rant about this and can go into detail but it’s effectively a culture problem at the studio.

[cerulean elk]

Hopefully you at least don’t send them to get you coffee and run personal errands like dry cleaning

[zinc dew]

Some devs look down on QA because they’re ignorant, self important, or assholes. But the general reason is because anyone can do QA.

But it’s really like chess. Those who dedicate time and develop their QA skills are like Chess Grandmasters, one of the most important parts of game development.

[balmy dagger]

I would happily listen and contribute my own rants on the subject. 😄

[cerulean elk]

Is it like “you gotta start at PA but trust us you will get better roles”…and then you abandon them immediately after the work is done?

[native mesa]

How long should I wait before touching caulk?

[fair stump]

I will never understand people like that

The devs, I mean

[knotty zealot]

if anyone can do it, why not ask somebody when making doom eternal?

i had more questions and answers AFTER playing it than probably during development

luuuul

[balmy dagger]

The tube will tell you. Depends on the formulation.

[native mesa]

It says spray paint immediately or I can paint after 20 minutes but that feels wrong

[balmy dagger]

I'd wait.

[zinc dew]

LMAO goddamn, I just got obliterated

that was really good

[cerulean elk]

I mean I fel through a LOT of floors in Doom Eternal 😡

[balmy dagger]

Savage takedown, @knotty zealot

[knotty zealot]

i know it was good. unlike.... well.

ZING

IZ 2 MUCH

[balmy dagger]

It's all Robby's fault. All of it. I retroactively blame him for my grievances with every game at his new company too.

[knotty zealot]

just remember me when making your next game and send me a beta code so i can make sure it gets good

[iron dove]

Every time snake gives doom eternal crap Robby quietly restores a crt in retribution

And he's running out of space

[deft tree]

its all a ruse, Robby doesn't even play his mister on CRT!

cats out of the bag

[iron dove]

It's not to use, just to increase the world's working supply

[hollow badger]

As someone who has been playing on an N64 emulator in LLE on a Steam Deck, the benchmark for me is the part in Smash Bros when you're about to fight the Yoshi team and seeing them all pop up at the fight screen. That part always has slow-down. Seeing this part play full speed on the N64 core...it's just so awesome.

[mortal panther]

QA: Working really hard not to give Digital Foundry anything to complain about. 😉

[cerulean elk]

I didn’t even think Robby enjoyed games. Just a professional moderator

[balmy dagger]

Like many of us, his most played game is update_all

[mortal panther]

He's a game designer, not player.

[craggy kettle]

for rumble support, do y'all know if the controller has to be wired? I have a bluetooth nexigo nintendo switch pro controller I use, but when I pull up starfox 64 there's no rumbling.

[balmy dagger]

Reminds of this classic.

[mortal panther]

Now I feel bad... like I've kicked a puppy or something. 😦

[mortal panther]

Have you tried it wired yet? Does it work at all?

[craggy kettle]

I have not tried it wired, my mister is a bit... inconveniently placed for wired controllers, but I'll give it a test 🙂

[hollow badger]

Timing on DK64 is the same as it is on my emulator. The frame rate is too fast so the music doesn't sync up with the events in the scene.

Not complaining at all, just something I noticed (and probably has already been noted by other testers)...so idk why I'm bringing it up now lol. I guess I'm just really excited on the progress of this core.

[cerulean elk]

Mostly I want to know what tv that is

[zealous hull]

I wonder if VI will make a difference in (some) timing issues? Maybe that's an ignorant take.

[craggy kettle]

okay, yes my controller gets rumble on wired, yay and crap

any ideas if this is a mister not sending rumble info on bluetooth issue or if this is a my controller not exposing all of its features on bluetooth issue?

[hollow rune]

My dad always praises the QA at his work. They couldn't release anything without them.

[orchid nimbus]

@craggy kettle because the core is still WIP

[zealous hull]

Can confirm: am ignorant, self-important, asshole dev.

[craggy kettle]

hold on I need to test with an emulator on my computer, I'm curious to see if it rumbles on bluetooth

[orchid nimbus]

emulator is not the same as the core

[craggy kettle]

I know, my main curiosity at this point is if this is if this is really an issue with my controller. I know 8bitduo changes what buttons are available based on if you are connected on the genesis plug or via wifi to your computer

[cerulean elk]

And no film set would work without PAs. But I swear they keep them at bay from new roles. Hell I’ve been on the union call list for certain departments for over 10 years and I haven’t heard a peep…and I’ve got experience in spades 🤣

[hollow rune]

So my dad leads a team and was looking for new people, particularly non cis het men if possible since there are none in the dev room at his work. He asked a QA professional working on her bachelor's in Computer Science if she knew anyone and she said she said she would love to transition. He is now setting her up with tutorials and stuff so she could have the experience to apply when she is ready. Not everyone my dad works with is on board. He will still put her through the process but he says she is really good at her job and of she has the CV for it, why not.

[cerulean elk]

That’s good to hear 🙂

[orchid nimbus]

what the @#@# does their sexuality have to do with their job?

[cerulean elk]

The film industry sucks. Moving up is like 90% sheer luck and 10% “my uncle/aunt/parent” works in the industry already

Honestly some days I wish I hadn’t put two decades into film haha. But what else can I do really 🤷🏻‍♂️

[hollow rune]

It is not exclusively what he is seeking out. He just wants to make sure certain people aren't passed up cause we weren't asking

[orchid nimbus]

if you're not asking then you're not standing up for yourself - you're either not interested or dissilusioned with your job.

@cerulean elk I have the same with the mortgage industry

[cerulean elk]

Your joint must be cool then. Plenty of places I’m sure if you even ventured to show interest “out of turn”…you’d get shit

[orchid nimbus]

oh - first position yourself

[cerulean elk]

I had a friend who applied for a new role at his current company after being there for years, getting experience…he got a stern talking to because “you didn’t ask to apply to the new role and receive permission”…he offended people by asking for more

[orchid nimbus]

I worked for a manager level 2 - he was a SVP when he bullied me out - I didn't get shit for 3 years of slaving my ass off

but hey - guy with an accent - let's pay him $48K/year where the rest of the people I worked with for $80k

still beat my 1st job

[cerulean elk]

Nothing wrong with different faces/lifestyles too. I enjoyed teaching all diff kinds of students because “this person from that background” has a wholly unique way of thinking and seeing the world” than “that person from this OTHER background”

[hollow rune]

Exactly and that can lead people to look at things differently. Also gives every an opportunity to create.

[cerulean elk]

Everyone has a unique way at approaching situations and a lot of times I’m surprised by just how unique someone’s take on something could be just based upon a diff life experience. Just because there is no escaping my own head / thought process. So I need all sorts of diverse and random people around me so I can basically absorb through them

[orchid nimbus]

what I'm saying is to stand up for yourself because no one else will

[cerulean elk]

Lol last time I did that…fired 🤣 but I agree

[weary palm]

I'm cis and different 😉

[hollow badger]

It's not a tv

[cerulean elk]

Told company I needed time off to take care of my dying mother in law. They asked how long. I said 30 days. They countered with “Friday” (three day weekend). I told them that was unacceptable and they fired me Lolol

[orchid nimbus]

I'm myself at work - since I don't run around harrasing people I like and don't have my penis out of my pants I don't care what sexuality you are or how you identify. As long as you bring intelligence and skills I'm fine

but I cannot stand stupid people.....

[hollow badger]

Dell M993s

[cerulean elk]

See that’s why you didn’t get that promotion 🤣 lack of exposure

[orchid nimbus]

so exposing your genitals will get you promoted - ok let me try that today

[craggy kettle]

wait, that doesn't work if you're cis!

[cerulean elk]

The thing is being liked. Nothing else helps you get ahead. Being drinking buddies with the higher ups? Gonna get a new role. Well spoken and able to talk about anything with anyone? Promoted!

Being super competent and keeping to yourself? You ain’t going ANYWHERE

[balmy dagger]

Sounds like an awful culture anyway. Good riddance.

[left depot]

Willing to take on new tasks? They're all yours now!!

[tepid gorge]

I was a PA on a Christmas movie in January and just maintaining contact with the director/“star” got me other positions for it

[silent marten]

Anything on the testing menu today?

[cerulean elk]

99% of my ability to not write scripts and do voice overs by hitting record and “just talking” is 20 years working with athletes / agents / film people and just really HAVING to be everything to everyone at all times and being pretty damn fun and charming along the way

[cerulean elk]

Haha yeah they sucked. I was glad to be gone

[cerulean elk]

Dunno yet. I have a fun vid lined up for 4 for N64 but haven’t done captured for testing since the last core we got

[thorn flax]

looks like a dell trinitron

ah, just saw his post

[left depot]

Dell used the name Trinitron?

[orchid nimbus]

@cerulean elk I'm looking for a new job - your tip didn't work out

[cerulean elk]

It wasn’t supposed to be my tip. You had to show YOUR tip!

[plush summit]

My favorite question for QA is: Are you here because you want to learn? or are you here just to tell your friends you work in gaming?

[cerulean elk]

I don’t actively tell anyone I do anything gaming lol

[hollow rune]

Is that a common issue?

[weary beacon]

closet gamer,,, wha...?

[plush summit]

In my part of the woods, yup

[wanton sun]

let's see who spots it first

[orchid nimbus]

stretch

[wanton sun]

compression really does a bad job here...

[silent marten]

Ocarina non GC version?

[wanton sun]

well yes, but that is not the difference in the image, haha

[orchid nimbus]

white pixel 😄

[silent marten]

Longer trails?

[plush summit]

The color banding in the sky looks kinda different?

[wanton sun]

zoomed in to some detail

[teal sail]

dithering

[weary beacon]

dithering

Beat...

[calm anvil]

Slithering

[plush summit]

Oooh, it does look nice

[teal sail]

😅

[manic basin]

Thank you Robby. My profession is in a bad state right now, so I love hearing this.

[orchid nimbus]

starfox hull of mothership would have been a good comparison too

[drowsy lantern]

Ouh nice, color banding about to be a thing of the past!

[orchid nimbus]

before we get 24bit lol

[eternal island]

wait is that regular oot running fine

i thought it wouldnt start

[drowsy lantern]

Will we get 24bit? 😮

[wanton sun]

for me it does 😛

[eternal island]

magic

[orchid nimbus]

@drowsy lantern i don't know 😄

[manic basin]

Mario's golf swing was just so bad his ball ended up in the rough. In Hyrule.

[orchid nimbus]

lol

[wanton sun]

you only need to add a ">" at the right spot in the source code and it will boot, it's really easy!

unfortunatly the amount of characters required for the fix does not tell you how long it takes to find where to put it

[orchid nimbus]

@wanton sun I thought you hid those 'mistakes' in a bigger release to hide them even more 😄

[thorn flax]

the tube specifically

[manic basin]

You just have to convert all static arrays to....Link(ed) Lists.

[daring meteor]

Dithering, nice, beeen waiting for this one

[silent marten]

Did you just do Dithering or more of the VI stuff?

[eternal island]

ugly things but they look pretty good

[left depot]

TIL ..

[wanton sun]

dithering is part of the RDP, so it was better to do it before the VI

[daring meteor]

I mean, it does mean you probably know what the core does funny, no?

[silent marten]

So VI is dedither, gamma and AA?

[vapid moat]

Dithering? Neat.

[drowsy lantern]

I wonder what would happen if the VI dedither would happen if no dithering had taken place in RDP? 😛

[hexed knot]

There'd be no dither to de.

[wanton sun]

just blur 🙂

[daring meteor]

I wanted to say "Is RDP complete" before realising "Oh right the Greenscreen thing"

[manic basin]

Dell monitors are always great. A little utilitarian, but very good quality. Their support tanked in the early 10s though. Forum based. Their lead tech, Mike, was a complete tool, too. They shipped bad firmware on their first 4K with full range RGB and he was a jerk about it.

[eternal island]

ye. monitor itself is great. the shell is horrible

[cerulean elk]

Also they got rid of the “Dude you’re getting a Dell” guy

[manic basin]

A monumental failure.

[left depot]

This is still currently my main association with the brand

[eternal island]

the shell reminds me of those cheap toys at toys r us

or the dollar store

the ones that break within 15mins

mcdonalds happy meal toy quality

[manic basin]

When he popped up in Orange is the New Black I laughed really hard.

[thorn flax]

oh, I have a good question.

in many n64 games there's a cheat code you can enable to deblur the graphics somewhat.

it doesn't totally deblur the game as there's two layers to it. (unless you install the hdmi mods etc)

so, are the games with AA baked into the code currently having any effect on the video output?

[wanton sun]

there are two levels of AA, one in RDP and one in VI. The part in VI is not yet in place

basically in RDP it does AA of two adjacent objects, in VI it does AA of objects against the "background"

[thorn flax]

excellent breakdown, thank you

[weary beacon]

How do they compare in terms of their draw on system resources?

[daring meteor]

VI features:
Dedither
Antialias and Resample
Interlace mode
Divot
Gamma
Gamma Dither
32 Bit Buffer (And zero buffer?)

[left depot]

Imagine him trying to be taken seriously or running for office or something

[manic basin]

Oof

Yeah

[wanton sun]

Both calculate in parallel so they cost zero performance, but both cost some ressources in the FPGA

VI AA probably more, but not very much overall

[manic basin]

Is part of the reason VI looks so.....VI the limited output resolution? I don't know if the recompile projects implement an approximation of it, but they look super smooth at 720 without looking like Captain Kirk is about to force a facelock on them (smeary). My guess is they just don't implement it, but I wonder if it would generally look more pleasant at higher res.

[daring meteor]

Let's see how Robert tackles each one of those

[wanton sun]

Vi does increase the resolution. E.g. mario64 is 320x237 and VI creates 640x237 from it

but there are 4 steps in VI that all can blur the image. 2 of them are exclusive or (dedither/AA), so it's 3 steps of blur in worst case

[manic basin]

"Is it...too much blur, sir?" "No, no. Also, where are my 3 inch thick glasses?"

[daring meteor]

What are the 4 steps?
There's dedither, Antialias, the 640px resampling
What's the last one?

[wanton sun]

but the decision is not easy: dedither blurs. But without dedither you see the dither pattern. and without dither you have banding. So you must decide in the end to either get blur, pattern or banding

[daring meteor]

Is it Divot?

[wanton sun]

there is 3 sample averaging on horizontal pixels

[daring meteor]

Is that Divot

Gamma Dither I think

[manic basin]

Wow...that's bonkers. You can tell 3D film people worked on the pipeline...

[languid dune]

This is a personal attack against @brisk drum !

[left depot]

For the greater good.

[cerulean elk]

SGI knew what was up

[wanton sun]

yes, gamma has a mode where it can do random dithering, leading to noise in the image

[cerulean elk]

You don’t work on animated films / Pixar stuff w/o creating technologies that are filmic in nature

[silent marten]

@cerulean elk sounding like you need to do some additional captures today

[atomic stratus]

we need a hack to play the GBC Daikatana via the transfer pak so there can be a good Daikatana game on the N64 core

[cerulean elk]

Almost wonder if that was some rudimentary “silver grain” mode

[patent dragon]

dithering and rogue green pizel

[cerulean elk]

Sounds like silver halide mode

[cerulean elk]

If there’s a new core I will but it won’t show till tomorrow. I have something N64 mister tonight but a diff kind of vid

[wanton sun]

youtube compression will kill the dither pattern, saves me to do dedither 🙂

[daring meteor]

Will you do the 640px thing before async clocks?

[cerulean elk]

Yes once it gets to fine details it’s near to impossible to show on YT

[versed cairn]

It will be fun to do a direct comparison now that the images can be made comparable with real hardware with dedither disabled

[manic basin]

x3 pixel peeping is also only interesting to a handful of people.

[wanton sun]

not sure yet. i like to work synchronous as much as possible, but if i implement it for sync video out, the logic has to fulfill 62.5mhz, while async is below 50mhz

[daring meteor]

Yeah the pixel clock is like 6.09 or something

[languid dune]

Might be worth adding something about how the controller pak saves work since that can be a little confusing. Like how you need to reboot the core or initialize the controller pak when moving to another game to keep each game having its own instance of the controller pak.

[left depot]

My limited understanding is that increasing resolution to 640px introduces blur by horizontally shifting every other pixel, will your core do this?

[languid dune]

On a more serious note, you could also add "Will the N64 core make me more popular?" with the answer being a resounding "Yes".

[wanton sun]

640 pixel wide doesn't blur the image. It will reduce the blur. If the VI would output 320 pixels only, the blur would be much worse

[left depot]

Cool I was hoping it would help 😊

[wanton sun]

Of course that only works for games that render 320pixels wide. Some do 480 wide, which replicates odd and will likely blur more

[manic basin]

Once we get full blur I'm 100% playing dk widescreen on an lcd panel to get as much blur as possible. Non square pixels via stretch....digital displays love them </s>

[native mesa]

It does. It averages between the pixels for the extra horizontal lines which is probably the worst blur

[left depot]

Nothing triggers me more than seeing people play retro games with a stretched aspect ratio lmao

[manic basin]

Passive Matrix, too. I'm doing it.

I hate me.

[brisk drum]

Lol fredo has me blocked

Because of my love for daikatana no doubt

[languid dune]

Don't worry. We all hate ||love|| you.

[manic basin]

The handful of anamorphic games always make me sigh a little when I turn the tv to stretch mode.

[native mesa]

Here's an example of blur as a result of the 640 width vs 320

[cerulean elk]

Yeah that’s the number 1 way to lose viewers

If I get TOO technical I can match the time code to the average view duration and realize where people gave up

[manic basin]

Remember when that was just a tool in studio? They really nefred creator tools.

[languid dune]

I always like the technical stuff.

[native mesa]

I have YouTube subscribers for some reason

[manic basin]

Drop a link in media. I'll sub too!

[cerulean elk]

They constantly make things worse and obscure more useful data

[daring meteor]

Isn't that the Divot thing tho

[languid dune]

Though I'm less of a pixel peeper, and more of a frame rate peeper. A get a lot of hate online any time I mention a game having frame rate issues...

[left depot]

The more technical you got the more engrossed I would probably be 🤷

[native mesa]

Lol ok I did the thing

[orchid nimbus]

you know... the thing?

[cerulean elk]

There in lies the artists fallacy; we love something so much we think others will to vs identifying what people want and providing them that

[orchid nimbus]

the only media I need is the backwards mister mister intro and @cerulean elk VGE videos

[cerulean elk]

It’s like a full time job figuring it out 🤣

[cerulean elk]

More people are getting that Easter egg lately

I thought it was so obvious

[left depot]

Best to direct them to the Patreon to learn more about how it all works 😉

[orchid nimbus]

it was - remember I was one of the first to point it out

[cerulean elk]

Doing that next month

[manic basin]

Take....my broken ears....

[cerulean elk]

Emulation night school. Tutorials on more complex emulators and if you still can’t figure it out a tier where you just get access to me directly

[silent marten]

You mean MiSTer MiSTer?

[manic basin]

The Daytona edging is my favorite @cerulean elk thing.

[cerulean elk]

I can’t diagnose everyone’s emulation issues or arcade board faults in comments any more

[languid dune]

So basically, to get the most views, Awbacon should just take his usual theme of jamming a random object or arcade board into a console slot, and show that it just "works". Simple and not technical at all!!

[cerulean elk]

I spent two hours fault finding a bad resistor array on a pcb over Twitter last week and I realized that was dumb of me to have done

[chilly ember]

Works 100% of the time

[quaint pewter]

That's a point... What happened to your chop-stick?

[cerulean elk]

No. Just do 3D console emulation on steam deck

Most successful vids this year

[cerulean elk]

It’s a cat pen now

[languid dune]

Cat pen should now be called Pepsiman pen.

[cerulean elk]

PS3 vid is closing in on 100K views soon

[cerulean elk]

PEPSIMAN

But back on topic before someone slides into my DMs Lolol

[silent marten]

Too cute

[orchid nimbus]

seriously.... you named your cat pepsiman.... you monster

[cerulean elk]

It’ll be fun to update N64 soon with new visual features but yeah I won’t do a “CSI ENHANCE” to it

[left depot]

I can only imagine. I have to admit I was even confused at one point in thinking I could play a regular rom of SM64 because "you can see his face now"

[cerulean elk]

No. He has no name. Maybe “Tot”

[orchid nimbus]

TioTot

[languid dune]

Hi Randy.

[orchid nimbus]

hi @languid dune 😉

[languid dune]

[silent marten]

Surprised you haven't named it Bob or Brian after spending this much time in the channel

[left depot]

Made friends with this street cat today but didn't steal him

[brisk drum]

This tomato soup will rule them all

[cerulean elk]

That would just be cruel to the cat

[brisk drum]

Wait that’s harsh

My bad

[silent marten]

Lol 🙂

[languid dune]

I actually just finished Trails into Reverie last night. Another great Trails game.

[native mesa]

I wish mega man battle and chase had a proper USA release back in the day. I would have played it a lot

[balmy dagger]

I was at my local art store and saw those pens by the checkout. They're super cute. 🙂

[cerulean elk]

I’ve got six. Friend send them to me specifically for the channel pointer

[eternal island]

i still find it unreal i can play both saturn and n64 on mister now

a lot of the games i want to play already run fully

it seems anyway. only one i beat so far completely was starfox 64

[manic basin]

I've beaten Cruisin The World single and two player now, but I think that's already on the list.

[languid dune]

I still need Mischief Makers and KI Gold to work on N64 before all the games I care about work.

[weary beacon]

Gonna stand here alone waiting on Castlevania

[cerulean elk]

Alone? Make room for me

[manic basin]

The only nitro I want has Sting in it.

[weary beacon]

I guess history and the broader context of the N64 has been kinder to those games

[cerulean elk]

Weird emo Sting era

[manic basin]

The best kind. His "I lost my girlfriend and came back from hell to avenge her, distinct of copyright" phase was the best.

[languid dune]

Actually yeah, that's another one.

[manic basin]

Which CV is better, honestly?

[languid dune]

The second one. It's basically the same game with more content.

[manic basin]

I've only played the first one released and for about 5 minutes. So I have no preconceptions

Thanks!

[surreal summit]

I am a Castlevania 64 defender, but it is definitely a "there are dozens of us, dozens!" situation.

[cerulean elk]

Legacy

[languid dune]

Legacy is like if the game was released today with DLC and patches.

[manic basin]

That's awesome, thank you both! I've been wanting to try it, but knowing I can start with legacy is great.

[cerulean elk]

They never a shot. They weren’t SotN. And they got judged for not being SotN

[brisk edge]

the n64 castlevanias get a lot of shit, but I think they're both interesting albeit clunky experiences. Definitely not the worst thing on the console. But yeah Legacy of darkness feels a lot better to play over the original

[cerulean elk]

Also they are horrible at teaching the player what is expected of them. The opening level of OG 64 has so many insta death falls and the game never leads you into them with some gameplay that teaches you “go slow, be methodical, think about it”

[brisk edge]

also, save a lot lol

[eternal island]

i feel like saturn is now at the "i have to try hard to find something that doesnt work" stage, and n64 seems to be getting there fast

[cerulean elk]

I said that in last years video “you need to learn to play this game or else it plays you” and “you can’t just blindly charge ahead. Pick your jumps and think about it”

[languid dune]

Just like classic Castlevania games.

[brisk edge]

the nitro part of the first one can go to hell though

[surreal summit]

I was basically told they sucked my entire life so never gave them a chance. Then when I got my ED64 I actually sat down with them and realized that they were more adventure games and the people that were crapping on them just wanted something different.

[cerulean elk]

Yeah people go in expecting Mario 64 levels of locomotion and they just die over and over

[brisk edge]

I was in the same boat

it was also never really elaborated on why people thought they were bad, they would just say "oh yeah they suck, the controls are bad" and it's very clear most probably didn't even get past the first stage lol

[cerulean elk]

Exactly. They judged it on level 1

[mortal flare]

I was playing Mario Kart 64 recently and noticed that D.K.'s Jungle Parkway (first track on special cup) on two player plays much faster than on single player, and much faster than any of the other cups with two players.

Have others noticed this?

[native mesa]

I think the franchise was starting to get saturated at that point

[surreal summit]

Anyone know if they are just TLB on boot or do they require it throughout?

[daring meteor]

Castlevania?

[surreal summit]

Yeah

[daring meteor]

Castlevania is on boot

Find someone motivated enough to patch it away

[orchid nimbus]

last time I tried they didn't work

[native mesa]

Did Legacy of Darkness jack the page flip sound from elder scrolls?

[orchid nimbus]

ES came later

axiom = no

[native mesa]

daggerfall was 96

[orchid nimbus]

I never played anything from the series

not my cup of tea

[native mesa]

yeah daggerfall is rough. they really went all in the the random generated world

[zinc dew]

The games were reviewed very positively when they came out and were received well. The people shitting on them either never played them, were anti-3D, or like you said they wanted something different.

[orchid nimbus]

I don't shit on them - I just never played them - not my cup of tea

I exclusivly play only JRPGs

(yes that's a pleonasm)

[cerulean elk]

Hate is popular. Way more so then “I love this”

[native mesa]

do any even exist on N64? lol

[orchid nimbus]

Qvuest64

[zinc dew]

Paper Mario

[rich delta]

The counter to that is 3 blue 1 brown at 5.4m subscribers - you dont get much more technical than that! An awesome channel - nearly as good as yours.

[orchid nimbus]

I also never had a NES/SNES/N64/Gamecube

[cerulean elk]

Never heard of that? Who dat

[zinc dew]

[surreal summit]

It's true, but it feels wrong to say it.

[daring meteor]

I never had a PC-FX

[surreal summit]

Very good Math YouTuber. https://www.3blue1brown.com

[daring meteor]

Oh here's update :3

[chilly ember]

I like jrpg's as long as they aren't trying to shove anime down my throat every 10 seconds

[orchid nimbus]

talking about big tech channel Linus Media Group - he refused to sell - all of a sudden the problems started piling up and up and up... and look where it is now. He underestimated the power of more eviler people than himself 😄 epic

[compact depot]

OMG OOT BOOTS

[zinc dew]

Without needing to use the master quest or GameCube roms?

[compact depot]

Yeah!

You go check #test-builds

[zinc dew]

ohh very nice, will need to remove that from the pins later

[prisma ivy]

could it be that the first time I have ever played OOT will be on the MiSTer? hmmm!

[native mesa]

screenshot time!

[zinc dew]

Comically I was already going to play the master quest version anyways lol

[zinc dew]

Please do, it’s an excellent game

[compact depot]

Will restart it. I was inside Deku Tree in GC version

[native mesa]

WE GOT A TOGGLE BOYS

[compact depot]

Consider yourself lucky to play this masterpiece in the best N64 version ever!

[wanton sun]

i will play the normal OoT first. This will make me remember all the things from years ago, so i'm even more frustrated it's different and confusing in masterquest....

[native mesa]

Theres a few versions of the original with some censorship added

[silent marten]

Jet Force Gemini Cracked now boots 😮

[wanton sun]

don't get me wrong, i also want to play masterquest, I never played it, so the variation alone is worth it. But it's absolutly confusing for me when puzzles are slightly different

[weary beacon]

The level design refinements alone are worth checking it out.

[surreal summit]

Yeah, the non revised version (gold cartridge at launch) is the better version. Also has some fun glitches.

[carmine kettle]

oot boots now?

[wanton sun]

but does it work?

[zinc dew]

Yeah it’s fair. Also a lot of the changes in the puzzles are either mean or expect you to remember the original puzzle in order to help you solve it.

[zinc dew]

OoT vanilla is definitely a better experience

[native mesa]

Awesome work Robert

[modern sleet]

The puzzles are pretty annoying in MQ at times and just require a lot of clunky controlling

[silent marten]

No it crashed in the intro xD

[final walrus]

hm I might give it a shot

no chess pro, but I'll cheat my way through Virtual Chess lol

[zenith orchid]

🤣🤣🤣

[prisma ivy]

this channel gonna be buzzin for a while

[final walrus]

hold on let me think about my next move

bzzz bzzz

[zenith orchid]

I just realized you could just have a crazy good AI give you chess move suggestions

[silent marten]

@wanton sun

[final walrus]

literally my plan

[plush summit]

FTX man??? 😱

[eternal island]

ay oot boot hang

will try this out asap

[final walrus]

he does kinda look similar to the crypto douche

[eternal island]

though i dont think there is any dif between that version and the gc one, i like my green button

its absolutely absolutely essential that button is green

[zealous hull]

Wow, analogue - dpad swapping. We're not worthy.

[worn delta]

That's awesome news if both Zelda's are working well now

[plush summit]

hustler to the bone 😎

[zinc dew]

what’s the main benefit to this? I know it’s good but I forget

[daring meteor]

None of the other broken games are fixed (Not that anyone really cares about them)

[zinc dew]

I do!

[zenith orchid]

WHAT! We have dithering now??

[native mesa]

Dithering sans de-dither doesn't look so bad on a CRT

[modern sleet]

Original was working before, but was the collectors edition from GC, along with the MQ version

[zealous hull]

Some games (Yoshi's Story, for instance) may be better served by having the D-Pad set as the primary method of control rather than the stick.

[wanton sun]

funny, the lead dev of the RDP said in a interview it would give you headache without dedither on a CRT 🙂

[zealous hull]

I just wasn't expecting it.

[zinc dew]

Yeah great point. Also wild, I thought it had that option.

Probably thinking of Kirby 64

[wanton sun]

Kirby 64 is now playable with analog stick 🙂

[zinc dew]

I’m very happy for the dithering. The pools of texture shading looked odd.

[daring meteor]

I don't see any changes on Mario Kart 64

[zealous hull]

I'm sure many people in here can think of better examples than me. I know I've seen a lot of patches people have made to get the same effect.

[wanton sun]

mario kart doesn't use it

[zinc dew]

It’s an awesome accessibility feature.

[wanton sun]

at least first track does not

[zinc dew]

Very kind of you to do that @wanton sun

My youngest I know will be using it.

[paper orchid]

Oh hey, the Jet Force Gemini kiosk version boots

[marble cargo]

Finally, the funny little dot patterns have arrived!

[daring meteor]

Huh, it doesn't?
Moo Moo Meadows looks funny

[paper orchid]

Standard release ROM does as well now

[daring meteor]

Wait no that's not the name

[daring meteor]

Didn't expect that, haha

[vapid hawk]

ooh dithering

[daring meteor]

Tested all but

[wanton sun]

@graceful radish brought in the idea of dpad->analog and i wanted analog->dpad(kirby, pokemon stadium) and quartus made me happy by having the whole functionality costing only 6 ALM, all win 🙂

[paper orchid]

Oh no

So it does boot

It also crashes at the first cutscene which is...what other emulators do as well with certain timings

[daring meteor]

6 ALM, pog

[paper orchid]

So, let me check the kiosk version again

[robust trout]

Omg, I'm at work but I 1000% hope Swap Analog-Dpad allows for a couple extra permutations (e.g. duplicating analog to dpad)

[vapid hawk]

on the topic of convenience features, could we get a quick swap L/Z option? this would be very useful for playing certain games on traditional pads like f-zeroX and starfox, where R is right and Z is left on a real n64, its much nicer to make R right and L left on say, a dualshock

[final walrus]

you can set individual controller configs per game

[wanton sun]

why not put z on lz and rz double mapped?

[silent marten]

Funny thing is so does the non cracked version of Jet Force Gemini with the same crash message

[mortal panther]

That's what I do (double-mapped)

[vapid hawk]

i have put Z on LZ and RZ double mapped, but it means i have to like, use the pad weird

[paper orchid]

Yeah same type of crash there, just black screen on the kiosk version vs. the crash on the meteor

[vapid hawk]

like i'm using r1 for right airbrake and L2 for left airbrake

[daring meteor]

No change on Banjo, right?

[eternal island]

the menu at the start of oot and mm still seems a little fast

looks like it had a bit too much coffee

[wanton sun]

how can a menu be fast?

[zealous hull]

WAIT YOU CAN DO THAT?

[paper orchid]

https://github.com/ares-emulator/ares/issues/129 Might be this issue

[eternal island]

no idea. its like switching between letters entering the name is sped up, even the cursor is flashing faster

[robust trout]

It's the question at the end of mapping a controller in-core

[mortal panther]

Yep

[paper orchid]

Still, really nice to see the JFG title screen now

[prisma ivy]

I am saddened by the fact that playing Starfox 64 made me motion sick SOMEHOW

[daring meteor]

Did someone test Mickey's Speedway USA?

[paper orchid]

I have not, but good point

[eternal island]

you know how when you unlock fps in some games it speeds up everything, including regular menus. it kind of feels like that

if that makes sense

[azure hatch]

I think emulators may have gotten you confused. I noticed there was lag in the menus on pj64 and heck even on real hardware from time to time particularly when you first pull them up.

[eternal island]

no i'm comparing to real

[mortal panther]

Just skip all the buttons the second time around until you get to the input you want to map to a different button. It doesn't remove the original mapping, so you'll end up with the same input mapped to two different buttons. That's what I do for the C64 core mapping 'joystick up' to a second action button for jumping.