Nintendo 64

[worldly flint]

New goal is to have the N64 complete and have one game working on the next core.

[real void]

You mean the 3DO core?? Nice 🤞😇

[worldly flint]

Unfortunately the next core is the Zeebo

[real void]

Uncle Derek will be delighted

[native mesa]

By next Christmas porting to a new FPGA may be a thing people are doing

[real void]

*gulp

As in Mars??

[native mesa]

If not mars then something else

Mister 2

Who knows

We're reaching the end of it's limits

[silent marten]

Should be called MiSSus

[weary palm]

Next core will hopefully be R-zone.

[native mesa]

Virtual Boy

[eternal island]

dont even think ill have a need for another mister if this does n64, ps1 and saturn

[safe robin]

https://tenor.com/view/game-sack-portable-gaming-retro-gaming-awsome3d-4qvr-gif-26403653

[native mesa]

Some 4k jazz would be nice. The RTK4k is going to be like 1000 on it's own

[real void]

That's where I'm at too. If the Jag could be done (even with dual ram) and the 3DO, I think I'd be happy not to bother with much else

[weary palm]

Is that a master system adapter plugged into a Nomad?

[eternal island]

4k would be nice, but im fine with 5x at 1080p

looks pretty nice

jag and 3do i can wait for.. no rush to play those lol

[safe robin]

i think the biggest problem with people talking like Dual Ram or Mars or other new Projects is, that some people seem to think the Mister project will die as soon as something new is there. i mean that will not happen for a long time. In the end even the MIST project gets new cores and updates still. Just because something new comes out, doesnt mean what we have is not still as great as ever

[zinc dew]

The biggest problems with anything other than MiSTer is who will port the cores over and who will maintain them?

[safe robin]

thats why i really think its sad to see some people attacking and harrasing devs that say "sorry but i can only do it in dual ram" i mean its not like they owe us something. they do all this for free

[marble cargo]

MARS will only interest me if it has features the MiSTer does not have, which is a tall order since the MiSTer already does a lot.

[zinc dew]

Yes, that’s a genuine issue and I won’t tolerate that here.

[safe robin]

we will see. i mean it happended with the Analogue Pocket and it works with linux

the bigger FPGA projects get the more we will see changes in the infrastructure i guess. i mean its open source its kind of the natural way of things

[zinc dew]

Yes. But many ported cores have issues or are half supported. The main interest there is because it’s handheld and from analog. Other MiSTer-like devices has neither of those benefits so it won’t see the same interest and nowhere near the same adoption rate.

[marble cargo]

Again, the MiSTer can easily support dual RAM, but we actively don't use it because of internal politics about prioritizing the analog board first.

[lament escarp]

Other than ps2, xbox and gc core it'd be hard to get me to buy another fpga platform. And even then I wouldn't be in a hurry tbh.

[real void]

There's no rush for them obviously, but for me, they absolutely deserve to be preserved. The 3DO gets an undeserved bad rap, and the Jag was severely let down by software....but they're both integral parts of that era of gaming for me, so I selfishly would love to see them on Mister 😊

[zinc dew]

It has nothing to do with politics, it’s because dual ram isn’t some magic problem solving device. Look at Saturn.

[eternal island]

i actually prefer all those consoles ps2 gen and up via emulation

[vagrant ivy]

Jag is already on the Mister

[eternal island]

i have the real consoles here, but still prefer emus lol

[vagrant ivy]

there is a dual ram Jag build

[eternal island]

so good

id like to try some 3do games, but very, very few

[vagrant ivy]

Although BigPEmu is a better Jag experience

[eternal island]

what a name for an emu

[vagrant ivy]

Its a very very good Jag emu

[quaint pewter]

Anything above what MiSTer can do is fine on emulation. latency is not as big an issue on the last few generations of consoles as it was on the NES etc. My PC does PS2 and Gamecube fantastically.

[eternal island]

reminds me of nesticle or whatever

lol

[real void]

Yep true, but last I understood it was essentially an alpha build, and maybe not a lot of active development?

[dreamy ridge]

lol back in like 2000 the nesticle windows explorer icon was a hairy ballsack

[vagrant ivy]

Its a nightmare to debug so has been sleeping

[quaint pewter]

PC finally has a good Jag emulator too with BigP that was used on the Atari collection.

[zinc dew]

Half completed, filled with net lists, not optimized at all for the MiSTer.

[cerulean elk]

@robby Zone

[eternal island]

yeah, i remember using it on pc, and my father popping by "ay why ya got nuts on your screen. playing with balls now are ya?"

[vagrant ivy]

Technically though extremely close to Real HW, An example of how absolute copy of real HW doesnt work on an FPGA

[zinc dew]

Fair!

[real void]

Speaking from a position of absolute techno-weenie'ness, is it likely the core would have to be started from scratch?

[vagrant ivy]

Who knows

Jotego infamously had it on his list to do , but that went nowhere

[quaint pewter]

I bet between Rich Whitehouse and one of the core devs, a pretty good version could be put together. He knows the machine inside out at this point and implemented JagCD toilet too. https://www.richwhitehouse.com/jaguar/

[real void]

The cps3 work seems to be an absolute mountain to overcome, I wonder if that saps a lot of the available development resources

[real void]

I've often thought that too, Rich is a prodigy. It'd be amazing if he dipped his toes into core development

[cerulean elk]

a monumental task for a tiny library

[rich delta]

Fantastic article - really enjoyed reading it (I have no idea how you found the time to write it on top of ALL the other stuff youre doing though - Supermann 🦸).

[cerulean elk]

granted its an awesome library but still

[native mesa]

He has a team now to my understanding

[vagrant ivy]

Er no it isnt.

[daring meteor]

I mean

[cerulean elk]

lol are you gonna try and convince people CPS 3 doesnt have a good library?

[daring meteor]

It depends if you like SF3 or not

[vagrant ivy]

It doesnt its a one trick pony with SF

[daring meteor]

If you don't like SF3 I doubt you would call the CPS3 a good system

[native mesa]

SF3 and JJBA

[paper orchid]

I like Red Earth :<

Warzard

whatever the hell you want to call it

[vagrant ivy]

English title Release date Japanese title
Red Earth 1996-11-21 War-Zard
(ウォーザード)
Street Fighter III: New Generation 1997-02-04 Street Fighter III
(ストリートファイターIII)
Street Fighter III 2nd Impact: Giant Attack 1997-09-30 Street Fighter III 2nd Impact
(ストリートファイターIII 2nd Impact)
JoJo's Bizarre Adventure 1998-12-02 JoJo no Kimyō na Bōken
(ジョジョの奇妙な冒険)
Street Fighter III 3rd Strike: Fight for the Future 1999-05-12 Street Fighter III 3rd Strike
(ストリートファイターIII 3rd Strike)
JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Heritage for the Future 1999-09-13 JoJo no Kimyō na Bōken Mirai e no Isan
(ジョジョの奇妙な冒険 未来への遺産)

[real void]

Indeed he does. I do wonder though if cps3 wasn't on the table, how many more resources could be freed up for other work

[daring meteor]

Do you like SF3

[paper orchid]

Not really

[quaint pewter]

This N64 thread seems to have gone a bit off the rails...

[safe robin]

can 6 Games be called a Library? 😄 More like a Shelf

[daring meteor]

Huh, alright, guess I was wrong haha

[safe robin]

but i understand the wish for cps3

[vagrant ivy]

PGm would have been better but it lost the vote

[marble cargo]

"That Game That Had Tessa In It™️"

[safe robin]

yea i also voted pgm

[silent marten]

I voted for this

[safe robin]

but after cps3 we will get pgm some day. so all will be good in the end

[paper orchid]

I like the quest mode in Red Earth, and that game was genuinely stuck on that system until Capcom finally put it on a home computer last year

[silent marten]

But yeah let's get this channel back on track for N64 discussion

[vagrant ivy]

Mame has them all

[paper orchid]

Look at my icon and tell me which character I play

[safe robin]

blue yoshi 🙂

[paper orchid]

If we're talking Nintendo games, only as a secondary option lol

[wanton sun]

You are right, it's the 24th today, so i still have 3 months to have a game playable. Let's be optimistic: there is a good chance the core will be able to do that

[vagrant ivy]

No I dont think you will make it. Time to abandon the core !

[marble cargo]

You can't pull on Mario's face yet, so you might as well say nothing is playable on the core.

[paper orchid]

oh damnit i didn't save my no face image to my phone

[silent marten]

Robert, do you know what is stopping Jet Force Gemini from working, even the cracked one hangs at boot

[lament escarp]

N64 is impossible on mister anyway. You gave it a fair shake but you really want to waste 3 more months trying to do something the hardware is simply not capable of?

[cerulean elk]

I think you are more in the realm of "final game playable by Christmas"

[real void]

Indeed 😊 so go on, give us a new/revised Christmas prediction for the N64 core....what would you personally like to have finished by Christmas?

[safe robin]

honestyl since the random crash in mario 64 and wave race is gone, i learn back and just enjoy. that was the last concern i had with the core 😄

[cerulean elk]

I cant wait to see this channel on 12/25 and the comments 😆

[wanton sun]

honestly, i don't see anything i could commit myself to. I don't have any fixed goal currently, i just enjoy the progress and play some games already. What more could i aim for? Sure there are things to do and those will be done at some point but i don't pressure myself. So far this strategy worked very well and I will keep it 🙂

[daring meteor]

You can commit

To github

[quaint pewter]

Best way to be. Don't burn yourself out.

[lone geyser]

I believe we have numbers. NSO is around 15ms and Saffun is 5ms

[cerulean elk]

yeah just let us play some games for 24 hours lol

[paper orchid]

Curious thought, does JFG have any betas? I know of the kiosk pre-release

[silent marten]

I haven't looked tbh

[wanton sun]

sorry no idea. The normal version will need the PIF<->cic6105 decryption check. I don't know if that is fully removed in the cracked version like it is in Banjo Tooie or the answer is just ignored

as the core currently doesn't implement the answer at all, it could be that the cracked version just waits for the (dummy) response

[silent marten]

The crack description says all copy protection removed

It is on Micro64 if you ever want to look at it 🙂

[rich delta]

I dont know very much about dual ram but from what I do know you have to put the extra ram moduke in the pin interface that the analogue IO board plugs into normally (and so you cant have both?) but what I dont understand is why the digital board isnt affected. Or is it?

[real void]

Well said. From the simple user perspective, this whole thing is just pure voodoo, so it's interesting at times to try peer behind the curtain, and into the wishes of such talented people like yourself. Regardless of whatever happens, you should know that we're all massively thankful for all you've done and continue to do 🫡

[daring meteor]

I've added that to the compatibility list

[zinc dew]

You’re a compatibility list

[wanton sun]

well, the main issue with further goals is that i currently don't miss anything. There is no game behind the TLB-wall that i really want to play. My most wanted currently is the transfer pak, but it seems a bad idea to touch that before the main core functions like TLB and VI

[paper orchid]

Even Robert knows that TWINE's multiplayer is superior to Goldeneye and PD 🤣

[daring meteor]

You really don't miss South Park: Chef's Luv Shack? How could you not miss the greatest game ever made on the N64?

[marble cargo]

Well at least with the transfer pak, there are loopholes with several of the games.

[wanton sun]

I don't have anyone to play TWINE multiplayer with, even worse i cannot really play TWINE at all because of young children around

so there is no need for even more shooters 😉

[paper orchid]

Understandable for the latter. TWINE does have AI bots in it at least (PD does too IIRC)

[weary palm]

PD has bots, and a nice single player campaign

[cerulean elk]

so you arent like my dad who was just "Here you go 10 year old Awbacon...heres Wolfenstein"

[marble cargo]

By the way, "transfer pak" is such a weird name in hindsight, since in a majority of cases you aren't really "transferring" anything. It just triggers a flag internally to unlock content.

[wanton sun]

i always liked the single player campaign of TWINE. A friend and I have been eager to reach goals there to unlock more stuff for the multiplayer, but we never managed to unlock everything

[daring meteor]

Isn't the most common reason for using it transferring?

[paper orchid]

I mean, in the case of Pokemon you can use your party in battle

Doesn't Stadium also act as a box to deposit Pokemon to as well?

[daring meteor]

Its about half flag, and half transfers, but the most famous examples are transfers

[wanton sun]

with stadium you can transfer in both directions: use pokemon from your GB game in stadium and transfer back trophy pokemon from stadium to the GB game

[marble cargo]

The Pokémon Stadium games genuinely transfer content, but in a lot of cases it's stuff like "The Nintendo 64 detected a specific Game Boy game, so trigger a flag to unlock content".

[silent marten]

I am curious has to how T-Pak is gonna work with pokemon stadium, will we need to move our game boy core saves to the N64 save folder? Will we have a sub menu to pick our save file?

[daring meteor]

To someone more familier with it - Mario Golf/Tennis counts as Transfer?

[zealous hull]

Morning (for me) folks. Notice anything...different about my user name?

[daring meteor]

Welcome

[vagrant ivy]

That you a feeble lvl 20 ?

[wanton sun]

the most simple solution would be to load a second rom for the GB game, but append the GB save to the flash save of the n64 game. If you really want to exchange with the GB core, you can split the saves

[marble cargo]

It does, but technically you don't need the Game Boy versions, since the content is already on the ROM. Which is why it's possible to access the content with a hack.

[silent marten]

Makes sense

[zinc dew]

I get that, maybe you might like these games?

Paper Mario - fun RPG, fantastic for kids
Gauntlet Legends - great multiplayer game, action focused
Indiana Jones - the N64’s Tomb Raider and a great one at that

[zealous hull]

Paper Mario is fantastic for everybody.

[daring meteor]

You sure about that second part of the first rec

[zinc dew]

sorry, kid’s game

[silent marten]

Someone is trying to convince Robert to implement TLB sooner rather than later xD

[daring meteor]

So it is just a flag there?

[zinc dew]

lol in all seriousness I said it that way because I know his kids like to play games and I thought that one would be perfect for his kids

[wanton sun]

i had/have gauntlet for my n64 and will play it again....but it's not like i cannot live without 🙂

[zinc dew]

Paper Mario is an amazing RPG for people of all ages

[zealous hull]

lol, thanks robby

(but yeah it really is baby's first rpg, still fun and charming though)

[cerulean elk]

I hear all kids love Bomberman Hero

[lament escarp]

Only people? Get him, @hollow rune !

[daring meteor]

Pandas are people

[wanton sun]

only played paper mario for like 1 hour or so...didn't catch me. Maybe if i had it as a teenager

[zinc dew]

You are right, entities of all ages!

[brisk drum]

It’s good once you get going ,and it has some really cool and interesting visuals

[zealous hull]

It was like stepping into another world as a small child. At a time I even memorized most of the NPC names.

Goombas...but good?

Child me was loving it.

[blissful plaza]

One day, we could play the Goemon games once more and show our love on those wacky games.

[daring meteor]

Goodbas

[hollow rune]

I am a panda, a Door Doorian, a retro video game wizard, and many things. I don't know how I feel about being people.

Either way, Paper Mario is for me.

[zealous hull]

It's my favorite game on the system. 🙂 Plus the community has put out a ton of really fun hacks.

[dreamy kayak]

https://x.com/Quest64Official/status/1705806637657620630?s=20

Quest 64 Official (@Quest64Official)

Likes

258

Twitter · Sep 24, 2023, 4:49 AM

[hollow rune]

They are so good. Like easily S-tier for the system.

[daring meteor]

This isn't TF this is SA

[zealous hull]

Anyway, gotta go. Thanks for letting me spew my Paper Mario propaganda. 🙂

[arctic sky]

Thank you Robert for all the hard work . I’m new to all this . I’m an old fart and I wouldn’t even know where to start to get this core going. But I just supported you on patreon . Thank you

[daring meteor]

Briαn doesn't know

[daring meteor]

Would wholehartedly reccomend to try the core out, a lot already works great

[marble cargo]

Paper Mario also has some cool hacks to try out.

[daring meteor]

I wanted to say "Cardboard Mario" but wasn't that the Wii U game

[cerulean elk]

100% off topic but I was playing the OG Ape Escape yesterday and that game is just a charmer

[graceful radish]

@wanton sun any thoughts on a future “emulated analog” input mode? It would be fun to play some of these games with an arcade joystick but most games require analog or patching to allow the dpad to be used as primary controls.

[zinc dew]

Maybe if you have TLB on the N64 core? 👀

[zinc dew]

Like from the Enix game Door Door?

[wanton sun]

Thank you 🙂 There are plenty of people here who would be happy to support, so don't hestitate to ask us if you have any trouble getting it to run.

[wanton sun]

you mean digital input to simulate analog axis?

[blissful plaza]

I showed the N64 core to my older brother last night. We finished on Mario Kart 64, doing battles like we did when we were 20 years younger.

Like the old time.

[desert crow]

Seems like it would be tough to do analog with digital, might work for some games, but the ones that do different things at different values like walk or run would be harder.

[pallid grail]

Never played a Zelda game before this core. What a brilliant game OOT is. Finally managed to beat Bongo Bongo last night after quite a few attempts. Thanks for a brilliant core Robert

[wanton sun]

Now the big question: did you use a guide for the fish?

hard to find anyone these days to discover the game new 🙂

[zinc dew]

Huh

[graceful radish]

Yep! There’s another issue I’m trying to solve that’s related to direct input more than the core. I think buttons 13-16 automatically get mapped to an analog axis. So if you don’t occupy the analog stick and have extra buttons (MiSTercade) some inputs get double mapped between buttons and joystick.

[onyx minnow]

OOT is great, i'm looking forward to doing a playthough of majoras mask. I never played that because i somehow got it confused with masters quest and thought it was basically the same game.

[graceful radish]

Yoshi’s story is a game that requires a d pad hack to play without the analog stick

[pallid grail]

I've never been a console person until I got a MiSTer. My history was Spectrum, Amiga, PC, PS1 and PS3, so I've got a lot of stuff to go back to

[wanton sun]

if you have a good solution for this maybe, but blue1s point is valid, it will not work great with many games. But some might. Analog inputs at 100% could be generated for digital, that's not the big issue, only some ressource cost

[native mesa]

Is Mystical Ninja TLB? Is there a list for that matter?

[wanton sun]

the biggest issue i see is with the mapping: if there is a mapping for analog up/down/left/right in the button assignment, people will try to map their analog stick with it and get confused

it must have a very good info then 🙂

[native mesa]

I have gotten confused with it

[graceful radish]

I was thinking of a pad mode called “analog emulation” or something a bit shorter. The core would automatically interpret dpad inputs as analog |127| inputs with that option set. Otherwise just pass analog. https://github.com/RobertPeip/Mister64/blob/6d9b6771f30743830ba8e6b8d022d6191470c306/N64.sv#L664

[simple olive]

.pad_0_analog_h   (joystick_analog_l0[7:0]),

[nova grotto]

Is it possible to create an option for mapping the 'Z button' again to another button ? I mean it would be nice to map twice the z button for trigger in new controllers that have the dualshock 4 trigger layout (e.g R2 and L2)

[graceful radish]

Yeah just answer “yes” to the prompt at the end of the mapping and skip everything before “Z”

[cold pollen]

Wouldn't you just map L to L1 and Z to L2?

[graceful radish]

You can map each core input to 2 physical buttons

[wanton sun]

yes that could work. Maybe just as swap option? because i like to play some games that want dpad like kirby with analog 🙂

[graceful radish]

Swap would probably work too!

[wanton sun]

Option "Swap Dpad<->Analog Off/On"

[daring meteor]

It is(?)

[wanton sun]

will put it on my list 🙂

[graceful radish]

Thanks!

[wanton sun]

but it will be global, not for every pad, that is too much

[nova grotto]

Didn't know that do you any tutorial in yt about this ?

[graceful radish]

Global is fine - no need to do per-device

[graceful radish]

Just try it. Map everything then answer “yes” then use the space bar to skip up, down, left, right, etc. only map the Z button again then press enter on the keyboard

[storm parrot]

🇰🇷 I check the test builds channel every morning before work and smile, and can't wait until the weekend to try more N64 games, thanks @wanton sun !! And good luck with TLB

[nova grotto]

If I press the space bar in order to skip until reaching to z button remap then Mister is going to detect my keyboard as the controller a want to re map instead of my DS4

[pine apex]

press menú button

[graceful radish]

No, space bar is used to skip. Please try it

[dreamy kayak]

https://x.com/Quest64Official/status/1705360508038103472?s=20

Quest 64 Official (@Quest64Official)

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Twitter · Sep 22, 2023, 11:16 PM

[dense chasm]

Wireless?!

[graceful radish]

Not the menu button, the user button

[lone geyser]

@shrewd peak were you using wireless for both controllers?

[nova grotto]

It doesn't work for me it just remaps one button at a time

I've just check it

[zinc dew]

Oh nice! @graceful radish verified?

[lone geyser]

I was helping Quasi through it but they never published results

[shrewd peak]

I got about 12-13ms on average

[lone geyser]

But it's the proper method

Though someone else did the Saffun in a YT vid and also got ~5ms

[zinc dew]

Saffun felt more responsive but I had no measurement to back that claim up lol

I actually prefer the Saffun over NSO

[fair stump]

5ms is a great choice for all the 2d fighters on the system like...uh

[shrewd peak]

I posted it in the controller tab, sorry

Latency test results for the NSO N64 controller:

Wired (Official cable)
2000 polls
Avg. 13,7ms (13,8ms)
Min 2,7ms (3,7ms)
Max 25,9ms (25ms)

Wireless BT (RTL8821CU)
2000 polls
Avg. 12,1ms (12ms)
Min 0,4ms (4,6ms)
Max 32,7ms (25,4ms)

Values in parentheses are from trimmed results where the top and bottom 20 pollings were discarded.

BT testing distance was about 30cm
(≈1 foot). Didn't test with 8bitdo adapter, other cables and BT adapters.

Sorry for wall

[pale granite]

did you try to define an alternate mapping for the pad? that should alloe assignjng the dpad to both controls (but it wont be toggable)

[nova grotto]

I've just found that whenever I map my controller it always override the last mapping

In other words even if I skip buttons those buttons end up 'undefined' and not with the last button mapping configuration

[dense chasm]

Wow, I thought the saffun was faster, but I didnt think over 2x faster.

I might buy some parts to mod it a bit, then. I like the feel of the NSO stick, but my powerslides in mario kary felt sloppy with it

[mortal panther]

Thank you for those results. Though I've had no issues with the NSO pad (feels plenty responsive to me), I may consider picking up a Saffun.

[nova grotto]

At first I thought that skipping a pre configured button would translate in not changing it's last configuration but it's not the case 'skipping' in my mister end up clearing my buttons are making them undefined

[dense chasm]

I cant really notice the difference between 5 and 8ms, but 5 and 12 is actually noteworthy IMO.

[nova grotto]

Sorry I don't know what I'm doing wrong

[native mesa]

The bombers notebook has a weird display mode that CRT doesn't like.

Anyone try it on the Y/C build?

[hollow badger]

I'm using the N64 NSO controller. Rumble isn't working, though. Does it only work when wired?

[dense chasm]

Nope, worked fine for me last night

[native mesa]

The fishing lure was definitely some nintendo power BS

[dense chasm]

Using the latest build, and did you set the controller pak to rumble in the osd menu?

I just played hydro thunder to check. May have to restart the game if its not setup when you load the rom. But it tells you "hey, you have rumble not memory pak inserted"

[native mesa]

Does rumble work with raphnet?

[hollow badger]

I'm in Star Fox right now to test
Using build from today
Yeah I set it to rumble and restarted rom

[warped cobalt]

I use an original N64 controller that already gives limited range. How does the new Main deal with that?

[dense chasm]

Yup, thats what I did as well

What controller you using?

[hollow badger]

I know the rumble inside of the controller works. I used it on my steam deck.

N64 NSO

[dense chasm]

Yeah, that should work. Are you using the driver kernel thing for the NSO controller?

[hollow badger]

Oh. No, I am not.

I just connected it in the menu

[visual mortar]

Hello, someone try to pair 2 n64 8bitdo kit controller? I try and i have deconnection problem

[dense chasm]

Yeah, mine wouldnt work right when I did that.

[safe robin]

I got it working on my ps5 controller. You have to say yes after mapping and then press the button you set as the menu button on your controller and when you get to Z you press the button you want also to be Z. And for the rest keep pressing the menu button until the dialog is over

[dense chasm]

The instructions are at the bottom of the FAQ: https://vampier.net/N64/

I dont know for sure that it'll fix it, but I can confirm I did this, am using the current unstable main for the joystick range fix, and it works.

Theres also another rumble setting in the menu towards the bottom, by the debug menu

Its called settings or something, sorry i dont have my mister up atm.

[zinc dew]

how can I tell which CIC a rom hack uses

[tidal glade]

http://micro-64.com/database/gamecic.shtml

probably the same as the original

[zinc dew]

yeah you're right

[dense chasm]

Wondering how easy/difficult it would be to take the two controllers and frankenstein a better saffun

I tend to enjoy modding more than playing, so this is right up my alley 🤣

[tidal glade]

I'm feeling bad about destroying a very good Nintendo 64 controller to do the 8bitdo mod, here where I live, I can't easily find original N64 controllers.

I'm trying to find a good (no toooo expensive) solution

It doesn't feels right play it with xbox controller

[chrome quest]

Yes, Rumble Pak with Raphnet works just fine

[dense chasm]

Nothing feels correct without the godforsaken trident

[shrewd peak]

I'm alright with 12ms for most N64 games, most of them aren't too snappy anyhow

[inner isle]

Should the games run in full screen using ntsc roms? I've not played my original for years and couldn't remember how it display on pal.

[dense chasm]

If you dont have another controller for comparison, it's not too bad.

Comparison is the thief of joy, after all

[shrewd peak]

Tbh im more annoyed at the fact of having to resync it every time I power it on

[zinc dew]

I used the RMG emulator and checked the log file. It lists what the CIC is.

[paper orchid]

Oh interesting

So the JFG kiosk demo does not stall for 000080, it instead stalls with 000004

[weary palm]

Change cic inside the core until the hack works? 😉

[paper orchid]

Adding flash128k gets it past that, but it still hangs, so looks like a no-go there

[orchid nimbus]

I thought rogue squadron worked?

[dense chasm]

Is the latest unstable build the one that was posted yesterday and pinned in here?

[daring meteor]

Pinned?

No Unstable build is pinned

[orchid nimbus]

yes yesterdays build was the latest

[zinc dew]

it is but an older one, either way good call because it reminded me to update the pin

[daring meteor]

Oh for the controller?

[paper orchid]

Oh interesting, so the kiosk ROM doesn't have any protection on it

[zinc dew]

Done - #1096015979055697940 message

[paper orchid]

(going off of micro-64)

[zinc dew]

check that for the latest unstable mister you need for the N64 controller range adjustment

[dense chasm]

Yup!

[zinc dew]

I'm about to go test with it myself

[daring meteor]

IMO you should just write that its the latest

[zinc dew]

Sure thing, anything specific you feel I should say?

[dense chasm]

I just saw one posted in #unstable-nightlies and wondered if it was a new one, or the one I added yesterday

(Added to my mister)

[zinc dew]

I just wrote "use the latest MiSTer main"

[daring meteor]

Yeah, should work, maybe change it to a channel link as opposed to a messege link

[nova grotto]

Thanks for trying to help but no luck yet when remapping are we talking about inside the N64 core ? or in the main mister menu ?

[daring meteor]

Ah if the ztb image was like that than no need

Makes sense for it too

[safe robin]

In the core

[gloomy cape]

In the N64 core map your controller as you normally would. At the end it asks you if you would like to assign alternate controls. Answer yes to this question. Then use space to skip all buttons you are happy with until you reach the one you'd like to duplicate (in your case Z) then press the alternate button you like to use. Use space to skip the rest of the buttons in this process until you reach the end.

[orchid nimbus]

compile had the cutest graphics

[zinc dew]

where's the nose

why are the legs stumpy logs

this isn't cute at all, it's terrifying

[remote hatch]

I won't sleep tonight 😱

[weary palm]

And giant eyes.

[remote hatch]

Ok, now is terrifying 🤣

[dense chasm]

The mexican aliens were just mummified anime characters.

[orchid nimbus]

did discord just crap out?

[dense chasm]

Mine loaded for a few seconds randomly

[hexed knot]

Yeah, nothing on their status page when I checked, but it defintely had a moment.

[native mesa]

I didn't notice

[nova grotto]

Thank you very much !!!

I've finally get it working

[gloomy cape]

No problem. Don't forget to save your settings.

[nova grotto]

I have one more question is mister devel git hub tutorial about "Multi-Button Mapping" is it oudated then ?

Cause it explains a different method using the 'MiSTer_alt_1.ini' file

or something like that

[graceful radish]

You don’t get to define all 4 analog directions, only the 2 axis so it won’t work.

[mellow path]

It's pretty surreal to be playing LoZ:MM on this thing. Few tiny graphical things here and there but generally rock solid.

[gloomy cape]

This one?https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Wiki_MiSTer/wiki/Multi-Button-Mapping

[graceful radish]

Like I said the first time, fully map the controller. Before finishing it asks if you want to map alternative buttons. Say yes, and skip everything except for Z by pressing the spacebar.

[vagrant ivy]

https://mister-devel.github.io/MkDocs_MiSTer/basics/input/ is the current Mister Documentation

[graceful radish]

The question has been adequately answered.

[native mesa]

Like it makes my...

[nova grotto]

Sorry I didn't read well about the alternative buttons menu thing that did the trick

[nova grotto]

I was referring to this exact one https://mister-devel.github.io/MkDocs_MiSTer/advanced/multibutton/

[zinc dew]

What are the issues?

[languid dune]

My favorite red ninja.

[gloomy cape]

They both look to have the same info in. I can see how it could be confusing. The main and alt in the tables refer to the main button mapping and alternate button mapping menus you completed. Not refering to main or alt .ini files

[nova grotto]

Now I have two doubts one is I have my "MiSTer_alt_1.ini" file which are the button combination to switch on the fly to my ini files ?

And the other question is , how can I configure one button to behaviour like pressing 2 buttons at the same time

[zinc dew]

I believe you can only do that with the menu input

[nova grotto]

Oh I see thanks for the clarification

[nova grotto]

thanks I guess I'm gonnatake a look at the options then

[zinc dew]

Go to the mister main menu and set up your controller again. During the menu input option you should see some text below that says you can do a two button option.

[mellow path]

Not actually sure if it was present on the OG hardware or not. But some artifacts when ocarina songs play and weird rendering of lily pads from high up. (Southern swamp)

[zinc dew]

Thanks for the info! Good eye you have. 🍻

[quick arch]

I played a bit to Dinosaur Planet but after taking a red fruit on a tree near the mammoth (hungry) I get a black screen but music still ongoing

[dense chasm]

Anyone have experience fixing/modding n64 controllers? Gonna fall down a youtube rabbit hole for the rest of the day.

[chilly ember]

Have you tried out the hack that fixes alot of bugs?

[mellow path]

You can clearly see a little circle/n-agon framing link when the little ocarina song cutscenes play

[chilly ember]

Its not complete yet but they've made some good progress

[quick arch]

Yes I used this one 09/12/2023 version

[vapid hawk]

i've rebuilt a bunch of sticks

[kind solar]

what is a saffun

[chilly ember]

Ok just checking, I haven't tried it yet so can't say whether or not that can be a real hardware thing or not

[dense chasm]

Is it pretty straightforward, or does it take some finesse to get it right? Mainly want to swap the saffun stick over to the NSO one

[nova grotto]

Isn't that option for showing the main mister menu with the controller ?

Anyways thank you I've done it using this hehehe

[vapid hawk]

should be trivial, the whole stick is an enclosed unit that just plugs into the controllers main pcb with a header

assuming saffun used the same pinout etc

[nova grotto]

Thanks to @gloomy cape now it makes sense that tutorial

[dense chasm]

True! I'll see if I can crack them open and take a look later today.

[fair stump]

One of these guys https://a.co/d/9ENH6GL

[kind solar]

oh i see

[dense chasm]

It works great, stick is just a little more mushy/less springy

L & R Triggers are a little less responsive too, not sure if that can be fixed; but the latency seems to be much better than the NSO controller

[stuck summit]

If you guys are interested, there's a really good solution for using real N64 controllers with a RP2040 board. Lagless, minimal soldering required, pretty easy to setup.

I don't have a rumble pak to test, but I tested with an OG analog stick, knock off GC style stick and 8bitdo's analog. All had proper ranges

[dense chasm]

One day, I'll have my own gaming den and can use wired controllers without fear of tripping my gf or being attacked by cats

[hollow badger]

Is this the file that will enable rumble in the NSO controller?

[dense chasm]

That file helped my nso controller sync properly and work much better, and rumble did work once enabled in the n64 core menu

[nova grotto]

One last question , is it possible to sync a Ps3 controller in blutooth mode with the Mister ?

[iron trail]

Yes, it works like a real PS3. Plug it in via USB, and once it's connected, disconnect it and it will switch to Bluetooth.

[nova grotto]

Oh so it's more easy than DS4 I guess

[orchid nimbus]

I did

[mellow path]

Damn, so Mischief Makers is gated behind TLB 😢

[compact depot]

TLB -> Too Lame to Bother

[heavy geyser]

The Last B1tch

[shrewd peak]

oh shit, i wonder if these can be reshelled into an nso controller

I'd be all over that

[orchid nimbus]

loosk like a regression in the Heavy64 demo

[nova grotto]

Is it normal for mario kart 64 to not have music when playing 3 or 4 players ?

[marble cargo]

That is normal. All music except for the Starman theme gets removed.

[dense chasm]

Hmm, one immediate problem i see with getting inside the saffun controller is how deep the screw wells are. Need to find a longer phillips head

[marble cargo]

3 and 4 player in Mario Kart 64 makes a bunch of small changes for the sake of optimization.

[dense chasm]

Joystick is nothing like the NSO controller, not sure if its swappable inside

[mortal panther]

It really is impressive how well Nintendo's original design has held up to so much abuse over the years. Sure, they wear out and get loose... but I rarely see any that have been flat-out broken off. Not bad for such a flimsy looking thing.

[graceful radish]

N64 controller is a masterpiece

[shrewd peak]

yeah looks like it's not a complete match, dang

i just really really want to find better internals for this damn thing any way i can

[latent galleon]

self-centering, no drift, lots of steps backwards since

[zealous hull]

I'm really sorry, but I can't defend the N64 controller. There is no other controller I own that I need to baby more than my N64. That stick design is attrocious for long term use.

[thorn flax]

it sure is the best controller nintendo made after the Super Famicom but before the Gamecube

[languid dune]

But the SNES controller is amazing!

[dense chasm]

Looking like a no

[manic basin]

I dunno if this is sarcasm (it's really 50/50 on the topic) but I'm a believer now. I hated it for a long time. And yeah, the materials/construction were a bad choice over time. But the tracking on it feels pretty great. I'm learning to be a fan. Like vegemite.

[thorn flax]

the SF controller is a poor man's Saturn controller

[languid dune]

But it came before the Saturn!

[manic basin]

Oh ouch. Yeah, that's unlikely. Sorry to see that.

[dense chasm]

Yeah, not exactly plug and play!

[pliant pollen]

I'm surprised more people here don't use the good lodgenet controllers

been using one for years

[graceful radish]

It’s the honest truth. I’ve always loved the N64 controller and never loved the PSX controller. 🙂

[pliant pollen]

stick is so nice

[languid dune]

Yeah, Playstation didn't have a good controller until the PS4.

[manic basin]

Agree. The linear tracking (I mean, it's basically 1/4 of a mouse tracker) is so solid. The bowl/arms suck, but there are alternatives.

[dense chasm]

Dont really see a way to remove/replace the stick, so I think we may be stuck without some eXtreme modding. But n64 modders can correct me!

[manic basin]

And the work going into the stick replacements is pretty good.

[manic basin]

I don't see an encoder chip on the stick board itself, but I'm no EE. To me, that means the encoder is inline on the main board and that's probably a problem unless you throw in some kind of tiny arduino solution between the replacement and the encoder (if you can even get one to fit). At that point, you're in 'buy a different controller' territory I feel. But you may want the project fun of doing it...who are any of us to judge. I mean, judges. But apart from them.

[pliant pollen]

if you mean the lodgenet ones

you just have to swap the stick and z button

to a retail controller pcb

hardest part is if you want to use the lodgenet shell you have to shave off a lot of plastic

[manic basin]

For me, it's the cost barrier. I assume they're durable (made for rental, right?)

But last time I looked into them, they were north of $100US.

[pliant pollen]

I did it a long time ago

before there were good modern 3rd party and etc

[manic basin]

I wish I had.

For a LOT of things.

[pliant pollen]

think it cost me like $15

[dense chasm]

Thank you! I have no clue what I'm looking at, so I'm feeling like it's definitely not worth the effort, lol

[pliant pollen]

back then it was definitely the best n64 controller

I still like it best but I don't have any of the newer stuff

[manic basin]

I would say probably not. But wireless puts it all into a weird cost/reward place. I'm 100% wired - like a maniac - and have had such mixed luck with wireless in general I have no plans to change that. But the convenience of it is undeniable.

[weary palm]

NSO controllers use potentiometers?

[manic basin]

Looks like wheels/bowl. https://www.reddit.com/r/n64/comments/qgmct8/highres_teardown_shots_of_the_new_n64_nso/

[weary palm]

Thank God 😉

[dense chasm]

The NSO one feels amazing, I just love wireless and wish it had better latency

The l/r triggers and the joystick are the biggest difference.

[manic basin]

I do notice they changed the connector on the stick so it's non-drop in to strip one down and steal it, it seems. But that's still impressive they went with that instead of alps like everyone else.

[dense chasm]

Yeah, its very springy and has a great feel

[manic basin]

Nice!

[hasty musk]

i cant get my 8bitdo n64 modkit work to rumble.

anyone sucess with this?

[manic basin]

The 8bitdo hall effect has a thumb press I noticed. I wonder if I can use that plus R for menu....

[dense chasm]

Honestly feels better than the ones i remember from childhood, mostly because they were beat to shit from mario party, haha

[vapid hawk]

re2 USA seems much more stable now, nearly finished it, no crashes

[manic basin]

Nope. It's either dead or isn't getting passed through on Reflex.

My guess is it's just dead in an original N64 drop in scenario as I think those wires only carry X/Y and the board wouldn't have a bitshift for it.

[chilly ember]

I have the 8bitdo kit and i've kinda forgotten the clickable joystick. I didn't map it to anything because i'd accidently press it when i didn't intend to and get annoyed. I wouldn't expect it do anything on a oem n64 controller

[lone geyser]

2/3 of it are a masterpiece

[drowsy lantern]

It’s an amazing game for sure! I just have one big gripe with it and it’s the music. Save a few exceptions it’s all just really short repeating loops of generic unmemorable drum n bass, bordering on irritating. Case in point, this song here makes me want to commit murder 🔪. https://youtu.be/HQtVUD7_zRs?si=S_OIp0ibPpa9u9n-

[quartz frigate]

tested today the newest core,man,i'm impressed with the progress so far,hope tlb games will progress nice

[brisk drum]

TLC first

[hexed knot]

You can actually see the "TLB Line". 😆

[cerulean elk]

you need one more data point..."Not Worth Playing" - The Brian 64 category

[orchid nimbus]

Maybe do a date diff between first release and now and then count the days since origination 😉

[manic basin]

I propose War Gods gets promoted to that spot on our 'crap on this game' list. It knows what it did.

[hexed knot]

I'll try that out. Graphing is an interesting learning process.

[woeful grove]

In today's world, graphing is just a form of modern art

lines and colors and a twist of math to tell a story

[mortal panther]

"You call this art?"
"We're talking about it, aren't we?"

[woeful grove]

[orchid nimbus]

I’ve done too many graphs

@hexed knot if you have an updated graph can I put it on the FAQ?

[hexed knot]

I could either share the doc with you or just copy paste the data into a tracking spreadsheet tab.

You might have a better idea of some formatting changes to make it more expandable/easier to visualize.

[orchid nimbus]

Just need the graphs - people like looking at graphs rather than numbers

[hexed knot]

That one up there is updated ^

[orchid nimbus]

Dates are missing 😉

Are those days - months - weeks lol

[hexed knot]

Ah, that's because I have no idea how to do that, can I DM the link to you?

[orchid nimbus]

I sound like my old manager

Sure

[azure hatch]

I'd be interested in finding out what's missing in the core that's preventing Castlevania from working. With so many games running now it must be something very specific to those games.

[manic basin]

Check the pins/compat tracker.

[daring meteor]

Its something called TLB

Maybe you heard of it

[manic basin]

Takin'....larb....of business.
(Translation lookaside buffer)

[azure hatch]

thanks for that - http://en64.shoutwiki.com/wiki/N64_TLB

So as soon as that's implimented we're probably in Castlevania heaven

Or at least it'll be partially playable hehe

[manic basin]

Robert is well aware of it and is looking into fit. It'll (probably) be one of the last implementations and there's a non 0 chance it won't fit and may need to be partially implemented/abandoned for CycloneV. It's a long thread, so I think I got that condensed OK. Others may have more concise info.

[azure hatch]

dang that would suck if it won't fully fit

[orchid nimbus]

w'ere 40 days in

since 1st release

[azure hatch]

yeah it's amazing the pace this guys working in

knowing how well he did prior to making the N64 core I had no doubt he'd do well - I posted on the forums about it in fact when everyone was still doubting that N64 was possible

[chrome quest]

Beautiful

[manic basin]

Also...there still aren't any games running because it's not Christmas yet 😉

</MontgomeryScott>

[daring meteor]

By the way, let's see the jumps:

The jump in the middle is September 4th, that one fixed a lot of games

[azure hatch]

I created this post back in April ;) https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?t=4535

Might be interesting/funny reading for some folks here hehe

[chrome quest]

Well, if today is day 40, then we can only imagine extrapolating out to day.... 132?

[daring meteor]

The second jump is September 11th, the one for 1080 snowbording

[manic basin]

It'll be playing Dreamcast games by then! </s>

[dense chasm]

Gamecube will require 2 DE-10 nanos duct taped together

[manic basin]

Remember, back then even Robert thought it wasn't possible.

So don't be too hard on folks... we didn't know he was some kind of mystical being of unlimited power and grace.

[azure hatch]

I guess I just had a lot of faith in the man, they said the same thing about the PSX before it came out

But naw, I'm not hard on anyone about it. It is funny though to see how hard headed some folks can be despite a developers track record.

[manic basin]

It's why 'improbable' or 'unlikely' are my go-to words. I've been blown away by the ingenuity of people too many times to ever say 'impossible' anymore. (beyond FPGA, just in general)

[weary beacon]

Sometimes being told "impossible" motivates people too.

[azure hatch]

That's a sign of intelligence my friend....and just getting wiser/older lol

[dense chasm]

Its still absolutely incredible to me that I can boot up my mister, and play a huge amount of n64 games with minor issues. Like, that is just amazing.

[native mesa]

What is 'completable' it seems that number should be way higher

[manic basin]

Well, I'm definitely getting ONE of those two things.

[orchid nimbus]

verified completable

[manic basin]

I think that only gets bumped if someone confirms actually completing it. But I could be wrong. Only way to know 100% though is getting all the way through a game. And... some games are Q. Siskty Fo. (Yeah, I'm moving to War Gods... I actually think the other game has enough merit to not be the joke anymore).

[orchid nimbus]

where people sat down and beat the game

[twin barn]

smash remix is fun and works great

[zenith orchid]

I anticipate that from the last build, there should be much more completable games

[fair stump]

There are a few I could imagine are completable but I don't necessarily want to put in the effort 😅

[whole walrus]

Sorry for a question I'm sure you all see a million times, but my googling has failed me - do you need specific versions of OoT and SM64 to boot? The versions I have both error on the core (first install) after running update_all with Zakk's n64_dev db_url added to my downloader.ini. I have bios in the directory as well.

[chilly ember]

I got half way through twine on agent

[tidal glade]

Gamecube version works

SM64 need patch

[whole walrus]

ahh got it

thank you kindly

[tidal glade]

https://vampier.net/N64/

[cerulean elk]

I need to try and finish Bomberman Hero

[dense chasm]

Played a bit of questions 64 yesterday, it ran well

Its not good, but its not as awful as people make it out to be

[primal bolt]

is Saturn Bomberman Fight good?

[manic basin]

That reminds me. @orchid nimbus - did the US no face patch fall off the FAQ? I only see the Lodgenet one for US currently. Someone was asking last night so I did a quick IPS generation for them, but I couldn't see the US version on the sheet and could have sworn it used to be on there.

[cerulean elk]

super fun

[manic basin]

Maybe it's never been on there and I'm just Mandellaing

[cerulean elk]

just do multiplayer. Thats where it comes alive

[primal bolt]

I didn't even know it existed until going through my list

[primal bolt]

yea the name makes it seem like its focused for multiplayer

[cerulean elk]

100%. CPU is brutal

[zinc dew]

I just played a bunch of Donkey Kong 64 with the tag anywhere patch. Had to add it to my user text file to get it to save.

@cerulean elk I had no idea that Destruction Derby 64 had a twisted metal like MP mode.

[cerulean elk]

haha its what happens when the last racing game you looked at WAS Dstruction Derby then you go right to VO

[brisk drum]

Me either , I got confused and thought it was vigilante 8

[zinc dew]

So did I lolol

I’m going to add it to my collection, thanks @cerulean elk

[vapid moat]

I have to yet make DK64 work

[zinc dew]

It’s either your rom or you don’t have the n64 text file

[vapid moat]

I tried the patch from Vampier's site but it doesn't seem to do work

Dunno if it's due checksum stuff

[primal bolt]

I didn't know destruction derby 64 existed until Bacon's video. I use to play the first one on PC in the 90s

the 64 version is obviously influenced by a twisted metal

[cerulean elk]

You should really try Vigilante 9: Death Wish. Thats where the fun is

[brisk drum]

https://tenor.com/view/finger-gun-point-gif-11950836

[cerulean elk]

glad someone got the joke lol

good old Charles Bronson

[zinc dew]

DK64 doesn’t require any patch to run

[brisk drum]

My dad was a big fan grew up watching his movies

[primal bolt]

death wish rocks

[cerulean elk]

same. so now I love them

[surreal summit]

I there any way to define the Right stick to the C-Buttons without using the "Button/Key remap" menu? Trying to setup a gamecube controller for this core.

[zealous hull]

My dad loves it unironically, and I love it very ironically.

[brisk drum]

He should be held in the same regard as other action heroes like Stallone van dam and Arnold

[orchid nimbus]

yeah it seems to have fallen off

:S

if anyone has it please provide

[cerulean elk]

ok gtg though...gotta get chorizo and chips for chorizo queso nachos for dinner. Game food

[brisk drum]

Aren’t all dads the same lol

[zinc dew]

You need to set it up in the main menu first. Set the c stick to the 2nd analog stick.

[cerulean elk]

even if I rarely ever watch the game...I mostly read my phone and talk to you losers

[primal bolt]

take care my friend. have fun beating wcw backstage assault tonight

[brisk drum]

I just got home from the in-laws , it’s time to see how far I can get on ogre battle

[cerulean elk]

better make your name Pepsiman

[brisk drum]

Battlefields are missing so this might be super tough

[zealous hull]

You got my hopes up. I thought it was playable.

[brisk drum]

Some background graphics are there and what is there looks gorgeous ..

The n64 could really do some very nice 2d graphics

[brisk drum]

It is playable

[zealous hull]

Shame we rarely saw them.

[brisk drum]

Yeah .. but what’s there is definite quality

[zealous hull]

easily playable then

[manic basin]

I did the hex edit and made the patch last night, so @weary palm may want to double check my work/supply a more 'official' one.

[brisk drum]

Nintendo ninjas snuck in and removed it

Just to troll us

[manic basin]

I tested the rom though and it worked for the few minutes I played. Everyone SHOULD be playing recompiled, though! Hehe. It feels so much smoother. (totally opinion, please flame gently)

[zinc dew]

what is that

Recompiled?

[manic basin]

It's a new compilation with the learnings from the SM64 Recompile project. It's generally a solid 30fps at all times.

[zinc dew]

That sounds gross, N64 was meant for 20

[manic basin]

Hehehe

[quaint pewter]

Is it the bug fixes and optimisations that kaze emanuar did to the engine?

[zenith orchid]

why not? you can basically save in every game that allows saving

[quaint pewter]

He did a mario 60fps hack didn't he? he is a mad man with mario 64 his hacks are next level.

[manic basin]

I don't know enough of the pedigree to say for sure. But that sounds plausible.

[fair stump]

You want to spend 10+ hours completing virtual chess? 🤣

[manic basin]

And yeah, OG Xbox @ 60 is my JAM.

I love it! </FrankDrebbin>

[zenith orchid]

heh, I'm not that much into chess so no

[fair stump]

Exactly

[quaint pewter]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_rzYnXEQlE

[manic basin]

One of the football games (International Superstar Soccer) has a 'play itself' mode and if chess had that, I'd do it. But I'm with you. Not happening for me otherwise.

[zenith orchid]

unless we have a chess pro in our community

that would be cool

[manic basin]

We surely do... they're lurking everywhere.

[fair stump]

@manic basin we need you to complete War Gods, thanks

[brisk drum]

Lol I can’t even do it

[manic basin]

<sniffs>OK.....

[brisk drum]

For whatever reason the n64 version is hard af

[zenith orchid]

Vallah or bust

[manic basin]

I just don't wanna learn it. It's like MK without the charm. Which is....what even is it?

[brisk drum]

Mace is surprisingly difficult as well

[brisk drum]

I believe the word is “ass”

[zenith orchid]

I actually did beat it on easy as a kid once. I played as pagan

[brisk drum]

Lol that’s who I like using as well

[chilly ember]

Does the ai cheat like in mortal kombat?

[manic basin]

Midway baby. MK AI and the 'impossible without cheese' approach they did back in the day, but on a way worse game.

[brisk drum]

Mk 4 is a cakewalk for me , just beat the normal tower with fujin yesterday

[weary beacon]

No some are losers, like mine.

[manic basin]

4 is good. I can't remember if it was 2 or 3 that directly reads your inputs and interrupts to counter. But one of them does after level 6.

[chilly ember]

2 and 3 does for sure

[brisk drum]

https://tenor.com/view/fake-smile-awkward-awkward-smile-not-happy-prentending-gif-8953470879635172383

[chilly ember]

https://youtu.be/KUttRUpVnq4?si=DD1GEzGmK4Zk3rXp

[brisk drum]

Yeah I seen that ..

There’s a way to kinda cheese it with Baraka

Although It still takes lots of creds

https://youtu.be/nhmB1eC1JVc?si=-l0Ky6_7tcqhZrum

[weary beacon]

I like his videos where he challenges pro's to beat akuma and things for money.

[hollow rune]

I think I might try to 100% Kirby

[chilly ember]

I got to the last boss before the actual final boss

Just didnt 100%

[hollow rune]

Oh then I'll let you finish it up to mark it completable. I am only trying to knock out the list

HM 64 is another one I can do

Though 100% is pretty rough

[chilly ember]

Ok, i was maybe just gonna load up a 100% save instead of collecting all the shards anyways haha. I've got 100% on a real cart before

[hollow rune]

I can maybe roll credits

[chilly ember]

I'll do that when i get home and continue on with the last half of twine on agent

[tepid gorge]

I don’t know when DK64 Randomizer started working but this is awesome

[cerulean elk]

I think that’s a wise idea. Who doesn’t love Kirby

[weary palm]

I did supply one ages ago, but they got removed from pinned when I added the "everything unlocked" versions.

[cerulean elk]

I will say unscientifically you can get quite far in 2049. I dunno how far I went but I played for too long

[vapid hawk]

i'm very sorry to say Daikatana seems to be running quite well

[cerulean elk]

That’s too bad lol

[vapid hawk]

yeah its a shame when rob works so hard and stuff like that happens

[brisk drum]

I just can’t with that control scheme for daikatana

[cerulean elk]

Really this core is a bad thing because it means one more way to play Diakatana

[left depot]

In the next video? I was going to request 2049 😍

[vapid hawk]

re2 is almost certainly completable

i died on the last boss lol

[cerulean elk]

I’ll see what I can do

[weary palm]

Get them while they last

[vapid hawk]

i hadn't saved for like 15 mins and can't be bothered right now lol

[weary palm]

@manic basin my "official" versions. Don't crash on game overs. 🙂

[left depot]

I always play an old skool resident evil in October... looks like I know which one this year 😎

[vapid hawk]

there's a few visual glitches, all the fmv is a bit weird looking, but you can get through it

[left depot]

Had no idea what tlb was before this core but I'd of thought RE2 would be one of the very last to become playable

[weary palm]

I still don't know. xD

But it has to do with memory mapping

[vapid hawk]

its a convenience feature for developers really not a performance one

[cerulean elk]

I checked Bomberman hero capture. I’m almost to world 3 no crashes. So one would imagine the back half would be ok

I’ll try to finish it this week if I find spare time

[left depot]

Pardon my ignorance but which Bomberman is the good one for N64 (or are there more than one)

[cerulean elk]

Currently busy 🤣

[zinc dew]

@cerulean elk @brisk drum that WAS Vigilante 8, not Destruction Derby 64 lmao

[brisk drum]

I knew it!

[zinc dew]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PwsdXyHwNfY

[brisk drum]

I demand a retraction and re upload !

[zinc dew]

LOL

[brisk drum]

Vigilante Ocho!

[cerulean elk]

I’ll compromise and offer a “Packers Suck” 😂

[brisk drum]

We won today!

[sinful kayak]

Is noface some meme now? 😂

[cerulean elk]

Lol I don’t even hate the packers. I know how you love them

[orchid nimbus]

@zinc dew

[weary palm]

almost

I made those patches a month ago

[cerulean elk]

More Pepsiman over on #pet-pictures lol

[sinful kayak]

Hi! Video Game Esoterica, have been following you a while. Good tutorials and updates on mister! 👍😎

[cerulean elk]

Glad you enjoy them 🙂

I was just making more tutorials today

Since Robert gave me Sunday off Lolol

[sinful kayak]

Analoque pocket gone for good? Out of stock i see.

[orchid nimbus]

good

now we wait on MARS to never be in stock 😄

[left depot]

Is anyone actually hyped for MARS lmao

Notably, is Robert hyped for it

[zealous hull]

I'm not hyped. But I'm not writing it off. More of a wait and see.

[versed cairn]

Same, if it gets support I’ll jump in

[sinful kayak]

Any info what’s up with the Kevtris who help Analoque with products?

[zealous hull]

I'm afraid this probably isn't the best server to ask. 😅

[sinful kayak]

I see 😁

[zealous hull]

Analogue sorta goes against the overall open-source philosophy of the MiSTer. Most of us aren't really keeping up with their stuff, as far as I can tell.

Maybe I'm wrong though?

Just the vibe I get.

[chilly ember]

If they threw a couple analog sticks on the pocket and used a more powerful fpga, i'd be more interested.

[zealous hull]

As a pocket owner, I'm surpsied at how little I've actually used it.

[sinful kayak]

They stopped Nes and Snes products, soon pocket. I think they will be done some time soon and close the company maybe.. 🧐

[hexed knot]

There may be some people who have info over in #fpga-platforms

[cerulean elk]

I have no clue to be honest

[zealous hull]

I would doubt that.

[cerulean elk]

I don’t know anything of what Analogue does. But Pocket is such a seller I can’t imagine it’s done

[zealous hull]

I wouldn't be surprised if they release revisions of old hardware with Analogue OS installed.

[left depot]

Seems like they keep production low to keep hype and prices high

[cerulean elk]

I’m just making videos because I get a LOT of requests for them

They are good evergreen pieces of content because every new Pocket owner looks them up

[sinful kayak]

Maybe N64 in future ? 😅 like Hyperkin rumor few years ago.

[zealous hull]

Haha, maybe. I'm perfectly happy with what MiSTer is doing though. 🙂

[cerulean elk]

I probably need to revisit my most common MiSTer tutorials for 2023/2024 updates

[sinful kayak]

Same, mister is the best!!!😎

[left depot]

I admit I'd be interested in "consolizing" my mister. Too bad the multisystem is unobtanium

[native mesa]

There are plenty of case options

[worn delta]

Please take all Analogue and MARS chat to off topic or fpga platforms

[cerulean elk]

Throw it in a Porkchop case and you are good to go. No bigger than Ouya and at least 100x as good 🤣

[sinful kayak]

Best investment ever, i sold my High-Def Famicom for 550€, and bought Mister. Littlebit i regret it because it’s kinda rare these days. But PixelFx in future sure makes one. It will cost way much to mod all your old systems with rgb’s etc.

[zealous hull]

I respect the idea of the project, but it doesn't appeal to me.

[native mesa]

I like the micro atx stuff

[orchid nimbus]

Ouya lol

[compact depot]

More of a wait and wait 🤭

[left depot]

Lmao it didn't even register for a second wth an ouya is

[native mesa]

Amazing Frog best Ouya game

[quaint pewter]

I got my Ouya for free because I made some games for it. Those were the days.

[sinful kayak]

Ouya was failure at it’s fullest.

[cerulean elk]

The Brian 64 of game consoles

[native mesa]

Did you make Amazing Frog?

[zealous hull]

It sounds like Robert is employing a workaround/shortcut for TLB, when he plans on doing it. Anybody know anymore details around that?

Could use far less resources, it seems.

[compact depot]

TLB -> The Last Boundary

[quaint pewter]

I didn't lol. I made bad games that no one played or remembers 🙂

[left depot]

Ooh I like that one

[zealous hull]

I guess Transfer Pak is going to be before TLB, yeah?

[orchid nimbus]

whatever it is - as long as it works 😄

[chilly ember]

Probably

[zealous hull]

May depend on when SNAC support gets here.

[native mesa]

My basic understanding of TLB is it just acts a memory extension. This isn't a real answer but maybe the additional RAM can be used some way for this purpose.

[left depot]

Don't be so hard on yourself, they were probably excellent as far as ouya games went.

[orchid nimbus]

it's like a virtual memory location

obfuscation at its best

[timid torrent]

I don’t know this, but I’m guessing that he will just hardcode it to always return a cache miss

Might hurt performance, but should work fine nonetheless

[weary palm]

Nah, it's too expensive for me right now.

[zealous hull]

I just like to wake up every morning and pray at my Paper Mario shrine.

[timid torrent]

It won’t hurt critical path performance to do that

[zealous hull]

My partner hates it. But relationships are all about compromise.

[orchid nimbus]

FedEx is expecting to deliver my package between 9:30 and 13:30 - it's 14:09 now 😄

[left depot]

Most of the games only use a small portion of the TLB afaik, few would need the full extent

[zealous hull]

I just assumed it was binary. Do we know what games use "more" than others?

[native mesa]

Robert said he doesn't really care about the TLB games so his only motivation is us 🙂

[cerulean elk]

Basically it’s a virtual memory addressing table for lack of a better term. It converts virtual addresses into physical addressed you’d read from memory. It’ll look for “yes” or “nos” (well I guess hit or miss would be more appropriate) when it checks and it’ll either it’ll write the physical address. If it’s a “no” or miss it’ll write a TLB entry

Per docs apparently there are 32 diff possible entries with a maximum page size of 16M. Dunno if anything would have used that…probably just a theoretical max

[orchid nimbus]

@cerulean elk I just said that - in less words

[left depot]

Some games check for the table but don't even write to TLB if I'm not mistaken?

[sinful kayak]

I haven’t done research on it. But am im able to get my EDX7 saves to Mister?

[cerulean elk]

I like words haha

[native mesa]

For memcard saves you would have to concatenate them

[cerulean elk]

Yeah and I haven’t the slightest clue why they’d check for the presence of a table but then never utilize a table

[timid torrent]

I assume they are checking for virtual memory, not the TLB specifically

[native mesa]

Probably with a hex editor for now until someone makes a tool

[orchid nimbus]

we all know that - fast words without taking a breath - words until you turn blue

[timid torrent]

TLB itself is just a performance accelerator

[sinful kayak]

Okay too much work atm. Needs easier and faster way.

[left depot]

Not using it though? It's so strange

[native mesa]

I would say try it and report back. Load one into player 1 it might be OK

[timid torrent]

Could just be some code that Nintendo released as a statically linked binary or something

And for whatever reason it never got optimised out

[left depot]

Yeah maybe a framework they thought they could utilize but never did

Well, some did and some didn't

[timid torrent]

Virtual memory is a lot less useful when you don’t have an OS or multiple tiers of storage speed, I’m not sure it really makes too much sense for a system like n64

Clearly most developers thought it was not worth it

[native mesa]

So could you just use all the extra memory in mister as VRAM?

Idk how much is used at this point in time by the core

[timid torrent]

In theory yes, in practice it might not change much

Memory bandwidth and bus sizes are typically the limiter on gpu I think

[native mesa]

Well the goal is the save on logic elements for FPGA

[cerulean elk]

I do love that TLB was in theory something that improves performance…yet some of the games that use it are some of the most “slideshow” games on N64

[timid torrent]

And given the clock speed of the n64 is what it is…

Using more ddr3 is not a simple trade for LEs

[left depot]

And what do the games that utilize it.. DO with it? 🥴

[timid torrent]

Honestly for the games that truly use it, I’d love an explanation as to why they bothered

[native mesa]

The translationally lookaside the buffer

[left depot]

Equals profit??

[cerulean elk]

“Shiny new thing” probably. It existed. Let’s try it!

[native mesa]

Don't buffer my pylon

[timid torrent]

You are probably right sadly

[left depot]

Why did a developer like rare make a game with it and decide, ok let's keep using this

[cerulean elk]

Devs do weird things. Konami is a great example. One arcade board, three games. One has an RTC clock security system. One has RTC with a secondary eeprom chip. Third game doesn’t have any security at all (well technically it does but the code is broken and it never actually checks the chips and just will boot with any random data you write to the chips)

[dusty tusk]

I look at it akin to raytracing, it's more look at what we can do now versus now we can make performance better

[cerulean elk]

So it’s no surprise to see games on N64 checking for TLB, seeing it and then ignoring it for the rest of eternity

[sinful kayak]

There must be new law for price scalpers. PS5 was madness. In my country retail shops started to scalp when they saw that people were selling consoles with 1K and more. Everything that’s out of stock or sold out for good get’s scalped by very high price. 🥸

[cerulean elk]

Typical. Scalping ruins everything

People were scalping cinema cameras back in 2020/2021. Sony bodies going for 2x retail on eBay

[dusty tusk]

I really think ID verification should be a thing for this sort of thing.

[left depot]

Ray tracing I think has something to offer, as does virtual memory in certain applications. Neither of which pertain to n64 much 🤣

[sinful kayak]

And one console or whatever the product per user.

[left depot]

Yep a lot of vendors just sold to bots without a care

[dusty tusk]

Yeah, they'd have to hardball vendors to make that change

[left depot]

Six saves, nice

Seems like a good total time as well

[vapid hawk]

had one crash here right before the end boss - seems random

[sinful kayak]

PS5 was massive scalp, never seen on this scale. Let’s hope that something changes in future.

[cerulean elk]

Hot damn

Grade B though. GIT GUD!

[vapid hawk]

i ate a lot of damage

turning on the n64 dpad or stick is... weirder

[left depot]

The real question is what color blood did you choose

[vapid hawk]

red ofc

[left depot]

Don't let Nintendo know your sins

[cerulean elk]

All jokes aside I wouldn’t do any better with those tank controls

[vapid hawk]

i'm a lot faster on psx

actually i guess i could of just played it with a psx controller lol

[left depot]

Ever go back to the first one without dual shock and realize how terrible it is without analog?

[vapid hawk]

er no i always play it on dpad lol

the analog controls are... basically just a virtual dpad anyway

[left depot]

Oh wow haha. I just can't for some reason. Tank controls have a weird charm nonetheless

[vapid hawk]

they're incredibly consistent thats the thing

[left depot]

Something about how shit the camera angles often got... made it scarier lmao

[vapid hawk]

once you know the speedrun you can kind of just memorize the exact dpad inputs to hold as you enter certain rooms and you'll get dodges every time

[remote hatch]

#1096015979055697940 message

Same error

[vapid hawk]

interesting

mine was during a cutscene i wasn't doing anything

there was rumble happening

[cerulean elk]

Back in the day they were easy. It’s all we had

Now jumping back into a tank controls game is such a mind F

[vapid hawk]

thats the only crash i had in like, quite a lot of gameplay though

[left depot]

They're still easy for me. Just not on dpad. Especially N64 dpad. For some reason that just never ever felt right to me on any of the games

Yet it's basically a SNES dpad probably, and I love the SNES pad 🤷

[vapid hawk]

there were some visual bugs:

• some pixels from the right edge of every screen appear on the left edge instead
• garbage on the bottom of all fmvs
• a 1px black outline on some sprites

overall highly playable though

fmv garbage example

it can take many forms though it seems

[left depot]

As if it's managing to render most of each frame then fills what's left at the bottom with garbage..

[vapid hawk]

something like that yeah, its taking the place of where there should be decoded video

not just being cropped wrong or something

[left depot]

Hopefully will clear up when core is more efficient, they are only 15fps fmvs I believe

[uncut gyro]

something something memory write latch something something

[left depot]

She looks like she has a bunch of bananas on her head

[cerulean elk]

Now I’ll never not see that 🤣

[vapid hawk]

early cgi heh

[hearty oar]

We have one material, and it’s wet plastic

[versed cairn]

It was the style at the time

[cerulean elk]

Goes to hair salon “give me the Chiquita banana special”

[left depot]

Is there a mod with chiquita stickers on each banana of hair yet?

I'm seeing missed potential for a RE/DK crossover here

[frail jolt]

Briefly read the patreon update....question

Is there a build now available for mister main?

[orchid nimbus]

yes

[hollow badger]

@dense chasm Thanks for all the help. Just wanted to come back and say that.

[brisk drum]

Cleared the first mission of ogre battle 64 ! Seems pretty good except some of the arenas you fight in don’t show , most of em do though

[prisma ivy]

Super Mario 64 gives me this after briefly showing the title. What's up with that

[main dirge]

the core isn't able to handle the mario face yet, there are romhacks you can apply to remove it

[prisma ivy]

Ohhhhh

[thorny marten]

use the no face patch

[main dirge]

see links in the pins

[dense chasm]

Glad it was helpful! Its fun figuring stuff out when its all happening so fast 🙂

[woeful grove]

im just gonna pin that too

[prisma ivy]

what is the difference in the two sets of patches? All these were BPS

the others were IPS

[woeful grove]

bps is better than ips

[prisma ivy]

tried to apply the BPS one, matched my region, but it says this patch is not intended for this ROM 😦

[woeful grove]

here you go

[orchid nimbus]

2 different people made those patches

https://vampier.net/N64/

Check there

[prisma ivy]

I figured that, just didn't know the difference between the IPS ones on your site and the BPS ones

[native mesa]

What about xdelta

Does anyone know why doordash always forgets the drink?

[prisma ivy]

I'm trying the "Super Mario 64 - US Version (LodgeNet) - no face IPS" and applying it to a no-intro ROM of the USA SM64 but still no dice. Any idea what I'm doing wrong?

[surreal summit]

LodgeNet is a different ROM

[prisma ivy]

hmm perhaps I am missing a key piece of information - what lodgenet means

ah

yeah

yep, that would make sense

[brisk drum]

DESE NUTS!

[tepid gorge]

Highly recommend people check out DK64 Randomizer with just the QoL improvements checked, it runs great on the core

[surreal summit]

The ROMs labeled LodgeNet were ROMs for this system.https://www.mariowiki.com/LodgeNet

[prisma ivy]

are the no-face patches incompatible with a no-intro rom?

[drowsy lantern]

Strangely in Diddy Kong Racing, missing a checkpoint in a Taj challenge (and thus losing) still crashes in the latest build. Otherwise the game is fully beatable, so that’s kind of weird.

[deft tree]

I played on lodgenet SNES and N64 a few times growing up on vacations

[surreal summit]

You need the first patch here > #1096015979055697940 message

[prisma ivy]

tried that. It says this patch is not intended for this ROM

[surreal summit]

Try this one then > #1096015979055697940 message

[prisma ivy]

it doesn't crash anymore yay

but it's just a black screen after the title 😄

[brisk drum]

Woah ogre battle 64 has swears !

[zinc dew]

Updated the pins so there’s now a General Info section that includes directions on how to play Super Mario 64 and Zelda OoT - #1096015979055697940 message

I’ll add the controller pak info

[burnt phoenix]

Does rumble work for anyone on the NSO controller? (Works on others but I’ve not been able to get it working on the NSO one)

[surreal summit]

I just confirmed that neither of those patches work 💀 sorry, let me try and see if I can find the older one that I used.

[zinc dew]

Did you grab the latest zImage_dtb that’s in the pins?

[quasi storm]

I will be streaming more N64 tonight. Head over if you wanna see me fail 😆

[burnt phoenix]

Ah, cool - assumed that’d made it into stable by now. Will give that a shot thanks

[zinc dew]

When zImage_dtb or MiSTer main incorporate updates that include fixes for the N64 core then that news will be shared here - #news

I mentioned this because we have a lot of new users.

I’ll also likely be repeating that info here as well for new users.

[prisma ivy]

I am new..... to trying the N64 core

[orchid nimbus]

Check the pins it has the US version - I will add that one when I come home

[prisma ivy]

Yep I downloaded the US patch

And my ROM is the US ROM

[brisk drum]

Woah the plot of ogre battle 64 is better than I expected !

Excellent localization work

[chrome quest]

@wanton sun Found a bug with the Controller/Rumble Pak toggle over only a few games. There are workarounds.
Perhaps a result of going straight from CPAK to Rumble without presenting "None" in between?

Most easily seen in "San Francisco Rush 2049" and "Buck Bumble".

Starting Rush 2049 with CPAK, once in game you get a prompt to insert Rumble Pak. Detection can be checked live via a pause START menu option.
Changing "Pad 1 Pak:" from CPAK to Rumble does not detect the Rumble Pak. There are two ways to get Rumble to work.
Switch to None, leave a few seconds, and switch to "Rumble" as fast as possible. (Repeated use causes a 080040 crash) OR Set "Pad 2 Pak:" to anything, also gets the Pad 1 Rumble to register.

Neither of these fixes work for Buck Bumble though. Start with CPAK, game says swap to Rumble, doesn't register in game.
Setting "Pad 1 = None" and cycling options results in the attached screens. No matter how fast I swap, the "Controller Pak" screen remains when Rumble is selected, which may be the issue? Workaround here; Set "Pad 1 = Rumble", quit game, then load back in.

(EDIT: After being informed L1/R1 can be used in settings menu to go from None direct to Rumble, that change does indeed make both games work)

[surreal summit]

The US patched linked in here doesn't seem to work for the US version.

[ebon oyster]

Not true... it randomly locks up on me or otherwise glitches out so easily / frequently that it's effectively unplayable.

[prisma ivy]

yxkalle's patch on vampier's site didn't work for me either. The no door one

[surreal summit]

This one worked for me > #1096015979055697940 message

Tried like, 10 different patches lol

[zinc dew]

Hmmm

What romset are you using

[surreal summit]

No intro

[zinc dew]

Use HTGDB or Everdrive

sorry for this inconvenience

Please let me know if that works

[brisk drum]

Dayyuummmm bro

Named my division in Ogre Battle “Golden Talon!”

Such a bad ass name

[vapid hawk]

btw you can use L1/R1 on your pad to change the options in either direction

like if you want to go cpak->none or none->rumble etc

[mortal panther]

The sm64.us.noface.bps works perfectly with the Super Mario 64 (USA).z64 ROM from the HTGDB/EverDrive pack. CRC32 ✅

[surreal summit]

yxkalle one? Just confirming because that is the one that I found works too.

[chrome quest]

Thanks, never realised that before! Sure enough the goes along with my guess of a theory on what's happening, got Buck Bumble rumble to work

[mortal panther]

Yes, one of the ones in that link above that you said worked for you.

[vapid hawk]

makes sense some games wouldn't neccesarily handle an instant state switch like that

that L1/R1 thing applies to nearly all options - most usefully the video filter selectors

[ebon oyster]

Don't let speedrunners know, or else "fast pak swapping glitches" will become a thing.

[vapid hawk]

so you can tap l1/r1 to quickly toggle through all the scanline strengths for example

[chrome quest]

The little things you don't know. Like the Bluetooth shortcut of holding the physical button on the AO board.
That method did indeed get around all the issues I'd found, so that appears to be the cause.
Amazing really so many games don't care about the impossibly fast Pak switch

[cerulean elk]

All I’ve managed to do in Buck bumble is fly into a wall and have the game freeze. Which seems like that’s how it should act

[chrome quest]

At least on latest core, crash gives Rumble (if selected), and no freezing 🙂
Think the menu music the highlight

[native mesa]

@wanton sun This one may interest you. Inputs are very delayed when entering and exiting the Bomber's Notebook in Majora's Mask

[vapid hawk]

interesting - didn't someone say earlier that screen is messed up on crt

[native mesa]

Yeah me

[vapid hawk]

whats your vsync mode?

[prisma ivy]

got another "this patch is not intended for this rom". Are you using no-intro?

[native mesa]

0

I'll change it to 2 and see

[chilly ember]

All i know is that i've heard the bombers notebook in majora's mask changes resolution to 480i

[stuck summit]

Yeah, you can see the interlacing artifacts in the video when scrolling

I just assumed 480i handling isn't finalized yet and shruged it off

[spare meadow]

Is it possible to use rumble with the memory pack at the same time? Superman 64 has rumble functionality but can’t save the game without a memory pack

[prisma ivy]

Just beat the first mission of Star Fox 64 on the core. I can't believe how far this core has come so quickly

[native mesa]

The best there was was a dual rumble mem card with a toggle switch

[cold pollen]

This seems like a big design flaw lol

I expected better of Superman 64

[native mesa]

Rumble is dumb anyway

Throw that stone of agony in the trash

[solid crest]

Can you save to controller 2’s and use rumble on controller 1?

[deft tree]

not on any games i know about

[carmine kettle]

good concept

[native mesa]

I didn't know the lens of truth had lips

[brisk edge]

Hadn't actually tried Mario on the core yet, just did a 16 star run and it felt great. No freezes or anything

[prisma ivy]

Anyone else notice Star Fox 64 is real dark?

[primal bolt]

Yeah... I asked about that and Robert said it uses a missing a gamma feature not implemented yet @prisma ivy

[surreal summit]

Yes. To eliminate as many variables as possible maybe use this site and patch: https://www.marcrobledo.com/RomPatcher.js/

[deep beacon]

You just unlocked a core memory of mine.

[prisma ivy]

Ah I see. Cool cool.

[orchid nimbus]

patches are updated

[surreal summit]

I get a dead link on "Super Mario 64 - No Face - US Version IPS". Also "Super Mario 64 - All Doors Unlocked - No Face - Shindou with Rumble support Version BPS" doesn't seem to auto-download when clicked like the others.

[orchid nimbus]

the IPS was just fixed

has small IPS now the right IPS

Super Mario 64 - Japanese Version (Rev 3) Shindou Edition - no face IPS

world for me

ah I see

right click save as

no clue what that's not downloaded correctly

added note to that one

[surreal summit]

I just looked at the HTML and it seems to be correct, weird. The joys of web development.

[orchid nimbus]

I could have zipped them

but then someone had to do an extra step to patch

and I believe anyone with some basic cognitive skills knows what to do when a download shows up like that

therefore 🙂 thanks for the info - just added a note in case they have no clue what to do

[surreal summit]

Cool, just tested the new IPS as well just to make sure and had no issues.

[modern sleet]

Should OOT Collectors Edition be on the compatibility sheet? its fully playable

[primal bolt]

whats different with that version?

[modern sleet]

Its basically the same as the original I think, but with some minor changes? I read ganon has green blood? I'm not 100% sure, it looks very similar to me

[surreal summit]

Pretty sure that is just the version marked "Gamecube". IE The ROM was the same on The Legend of Zelda: Collectors Edition and Ocarina of Time/Master Quest, but I'm not sure.

[modern sleet]

It just has a gold shell? "
The cartridges.

Apart from the different boxes and the color of the cartridge, the two versions are identical. There are no differences in the actual game (don't believe rumors about hidden levels). If someone wants to pull a fast one on you and tries to sell you a fake gold edition, be sure to check the NUS code on the label. The US gold edition reads: NUS-CZGE-USA."

But interesting enough, Rev 2 of the game doesnt boot yet, but this version does.

Its probably the gamecube version of it, though the rom doesnt state it

[surreal summit]

Rad and Green buttons or Green and Blue in the interface?

[orchid nimbus]

Ukraine of Time

[modern sleet]

Yep, thats it, its def the game cube version. Colors are Red Green

Even the game starts with 1998/2003 haha

[surreal summit]

...also, gold cartridge is version 1.0 for the US, "Legend of Zelda, The - Ocarina of Time (USA)" with nothing else in the No-Intro set.

[modern sleet]

Eitherway, this version of the game works. I thought it should be in the compatibility list

[primal bolt]

green blood? hail nah i stick with red

[surreal summit]

I think the ROM name confusion is coming in because both of these were released for gamecube.

[modern sleet]

Yup

[vapid moat]

Looks like an eyeball to me

[fair stump]

You discover these two boxes on the shelf at blockbuster but you parents will only let you pick one. Which do you take?

[orchid nimbus]

[native mesa]

What do the backs look like

[dreamy ridge]

q 64 looks pretty lit based on the cover tbh

[surreal summit]

Ignore this, sorry. I did a bitwise comparison of the patches and they are the same. ¯_(ツ)_/¯ I must have switched something up before.

[patent dragon]

has anyone managed to get rumble to work with the Brawler64 bluetooth controller? I have it set in top light and bottom light (xbox controller in main pairing)

[languid dune]

War Gods!

[mortal panther]

"q 64 looks pretty lit based on the cover tbh"

No doubt! The most bad-ass shiny plastic protagonist ever!

[chilly ember]

I'd end up with adventure 64 because i know i rented it at least one as a kid lol

[mortal panther]

LEGO Batman can suck it.

[surreal summit]

Now looking at the box art more closely, I probably would have gone with War Gods. I used to avoid everything THQ like the plague.

[fair stump]

But War Gods is rated M