Nintendo 64

[brisk drum]

Whyeee!?

[cerulean elk]

lacks DOF (not like nintendo could do DOF on the 64) but the clarity just does it for me

[cerulean elk]

cant drink beer with gluten any more

[silent marten]

Left image is all the dither, dedither, AA etc right?

[brisk drum]

Dang .. well drink schnapps than Jah!

[marble cargo]

Dither at least should fix the color banding problems in a lot of games.

[cerulean elk]

Just gonna have to slam underbergs

[wanton sun]

all that + even bilinear interpolation because it's PAL, NTSC is less blurry

[silent marten]

That is cool

[cerulean elk]

It’ll be fun to show side by sides and let people vote

[silent marten]

Can you snap a side by side of Tetrisphere's menu?

[zinc dew]

Woah what, PAL does different interpolation?

[covert bough]

The blurriness is part of the look for me

[wanton sun]

if the game uses less height and the devs don't want black bars, the game can be interpolated to higher resolution with the VI in the n64, yes

[covert bough]

Will be interesting too to see a real n64 plugged into an composite capable 1080 screen and compare that to the mister output

[wanton sun]

markun was so nice to implement all the VI parts(left image) in my emulator so i can start with the FPGA implementation maybe in 2 weeks or so when the current tasks are complete

[cerulean elk]

Everyone was so afraid of letterbox / pillarbox back in the 90s. Now we demand it

[viscid nebula]

we broke down best boy doors to get lcd tvs

now we scour the streets for crts

[covert bough]

Lol amen

[final knoll]

so true.. what was i thinking :(((((((((
I gave away the best CRT ive ever owned like it was nothing.
Im sorry trinny.. come back..

[daring meteor]

Robert doing VI in two weeks?

Does that include async video

[wanton sun]

not sure yet

[knotty zealot]

n64 enthusiast living in denial

[zinc dew]

N64 blur is life!

[viscid nebula]

you tell em rubby

[knotty zealot]

i also love blur because i can't see how ugly it really is

it's all part of the EXPERIENCE

[covert bough]

I think n64 looks best on svideo on a crt

[viscid nebula]

I think n64 looks best in a pawn shop shelf

[silent marten]

Have you tried the core yet?

[knotty zealot]

i have not

i'm only here to shitpost, you know that

i have a badge

[zinc dew]

Me too

[silent marten]

I know but you usually check them for like 2 minutes xD

[knotty zealot]

once update all drags it out of the mud, i'll try it

[hot spoke]

I guess I'm late to the party but will those features get a toggle switch? At least AA would be nice.

[knotty zealot]

i looked at the FAQ and thought "yeeeah... nah."

[viscid nebula]

Will the CIC list ever be automatic in the future? or will it always need a list

[knotty zealot]

good progress but meh. in time.

[silent marten]

This is all coming together really really fast

[viscid nebula]

yeah I feel like half the library is playable

[knotty zealot]

i'll wait for the 2x cpu core

that's where the honeypot is

[daring meteor]

Just play on the PAL version on a week

Than NTSC version

You will have the same effect

[knotty zealot]

this is true

[wanton sun]

yes, all VI features where it's possible will get a toggle in OSD

[ocean lily]

yup, a single MK64 ghost ate up 121 out of 123 pages on the controller pak

[wanton sun]

you will always need a list, but it is pulled automatically with the updater

[viscid nebula]

thank you for the clarification!

❤️

what is it about the original console that figures it out automatically that the core cant?

[wanton sun]

the cic is in the cart, so it doesn't need to figure it out

[viscid nebula]

ahhh

[hexed knot]

Wasn't able to get this running. Is there a particular database setting you used/did you have the save type set to flash?

[wanton sun]

it communicates with whatever it finds there. In the core we need to "plug in the cart" by downloading the rom and when we do it, we need to tell the core which CIC it shall emulate

[viscid nebula]

and I'm guessing the CIC isn't dumped as part of the rom

[silent marten]

Speaking of updater, do you think the core will hit it this year or do you think it will be next year?

[viscid nebula]

seperate chip?

[wanton sun]

yes

[viscid nebula]

thank you for the details again 😉

[quick arch]

you need to set this line in your N64-Database-User
df983e90c7ee479d7f341500ac2b9d2b ntsc|cic6103|eeprom512 # The Legend of Banjo-Kazooie - The Jiggies of Time (v1.3) (Hack)

[wanton sun]

the core can already be loaded with the downloader including the database. All you need to do is add one entry once

it's unclear when it will be part of mister-devel. Surely not with only few games running good

[silent marten]

Yeah I saw that I meant like an official release 🙂

[hexed knot]

ah, the settings are slightly different than mine, same hash I got though, so that's good. Will try!

Yep, that did the trick, thanks!

[quick arch]

Great 🙂

[zinc dew]

Thanks @quick arch ! Is that a good rom hack?

[tulip coral]

dayz standalone

[hexed knot]

I've played Jiggies of Time part of the way through before. It is definitely noticably more difficult than vanilla BK, but it's delightful.

[quick arch]

I never played it on my side. The core will permit to do it 🙂
Also some other hacks I have added on N64-database_user file (not all work with the state of the core)

[zinc dew]

Nice, do you have a GitHub?

[quick arch]

I think I will propose a PR to the N64-database when more will be playable

[modern sleet]

Is a patch / setting required for 007 the world is not enough to get past the no controller pak present?

[zinc dew]

I believe the intention with that database is to only be commercially playable games. Things like rom hacks, patches, unlicensed games, etc. will need to be manually added by users.

[quaint pewter]

Did it crash at the bottom of the spiral staircase after the buttons? That's where it froze for me. If so then repeatable.

(Quake)

[zinc dew]

I didn’t get there but I can try

[daring meteor]

No

[quick arch]

The database already has hacks, patches, demos and unlicensed games

[daring meteor]

It should work fine

[cloud peak]

Who is this green character?

[cerulean elk]

Lonk. The Hero of Nutley, NJ

[slate sundial]

ocarina is looking a lot nicer now, the brightness levels appear sorted.

[dreamy kayak]

it amazes me how fast this core is progressing

[modern sleet]

Data Force WB needed to be turned off

[daring meteor]

Yeah

[fair stump]

What is data force wb?

[cloud peak]

Don’t touch

All I can say

[fair stump]

I haven't bothered flipping it on and off

[cloud peak]

I’ve noticed it stalls the cpu for some weird reason

[lean spruce]

'

[modern sleet]

I guess ~~guards ~~ everyone in the building doesnt like to be shocked

[daring meteor]

The only reason I've seen this game is because its the first game alphabetically I swear

[brisk drum]

And macho man randy savage is once again world heavyweight champion of the world ..

Morning accomplished

[zinc dew]

Those might get removed? Not sure. I know the intention is to only have commercially released games as that’s a reasonable and expected list to bug fix against.

[cold pollen]

Wait is Goldeneye working?

[zinc dew]

007 The World Is Not Enough

But that’s doesn’t load for me

[modern sleet]

No, What Robby Said

[modern sleet]

What doesnt load? Data Force WB needs to be off

[cloud peak]

True but for neo geo, there are many rom hacks in the romlist.xml

[brisk drum]

Loads for me

[quick arch]

yes NeoGeo is the same I think it is ok to have them on the same file

[cloud peak]

Yup

Agreed

[zinc dew]

Yeah that’s what I was thinking as well.

Well it’s not for us to decide so

[cloud peak]

How is the database fetched today?

[zinc dew]

GitHub as part of mister dev level I believe

[cloud peak]

I can see that it is a separate repo

Ok good

[zinc dew]

The official list and a user list

[cloud peak]

Then Jose needs to include it in downloader

[brisk drum]

OMG BLITZ 2001 working!

Let’s go packers!

Wait nvm once in game it sort of freezes

[little bane]

Happened to me twice same spot

[brisk drum]

Regular blitz now shows the entire field though

[mortal panther]

It already has been. Add the following lines to your downloader.ini file:

[n64_dev]
db_url = https://raw.githubusercontent.com/RobertPeip/Mister64/db/db.json.zip

[silent marten]

Mr Resetti works in Animal Forest along with saving 🙂

[cloud peak]

Ok good 🙂

[silent marten]

We just need RTC for it to be perfect now

[mortal panther]

A working Internet connection on MiSTer is essentially the same thing.

[silent marten]

Yeah but the core isn't set up to read the time and date from it yet

[worn delta]

RTC needs implemented into the core

[mortal panther]

Ahhh

[cloud peak]

I wonder if rtc will fit

[mortal panther]

Good call.

[cloud peak]

Core is packed

[worn delta]

But yeah, you don't need to the RTC module if you are connected to the internet, once RTC functionality is implemented in the core

[silent marten]

So every time you load Animal Forest it will tell you something is wrong with the clock

[mortal panther]

Last time I built it (yesterday), it was 76% utilization.

[worn delta]

It will also not progress the game, I had this issue on my GC when the battery has died so RTC didn't work, so you get stuck in a weird limbo where things don't progress

[mortal panther]

Would be much better to speculate about things like that once more of the RDP is implemented, which is far more important.

Then see what the overall utilization is.

[silent marten]

For me the game is asking for the time and date every time so will it not just compare it to the save file?

[worn delta]

I am curious how much space RTC support takes up in other cores if anyone knows

[worn delta]

I don't know, maybe if you set the correct time and date every time you load them it works OK

But that's going to be painful

[marble cargo]

Is Animal Crossing the only game that used RTC?

[worn delta]

Yeah

64DD had one built in, not sure what it was used for there

Maybe some converted DD games use it?

[vale summit]

You can also play it at Galloping Ghost Arcade in the Chicago suburbs

[cerulean elk]

when its working. Which with my timing is never

[cold pollen]

I guess The Core Is Not Enough™

[zinc dew]

[mortal panther]

Some friends of mine were just talking about playing that while they were at VCF MW recently.

[modern sleet]

Still has lots of room to flex :

[mortal panther]

Hey... how'd you get 1% lower than me? 😄

[modern sleet]

1 % lower?

[mortal panther]

When I built it yesterday, it showed 76% utilization.

[modern sleet]

That doesnt make sense, I'm including Y/C in my build and added other logic to check resolutions...hmm

[mortal panther]

Interesting

[modern sleet]

I did change the hsync logic to this, E.g. moved it to bit shift from using division and multiplication. This also fixes a bunch of the sync issues some people are seeing on CRT's.

function shift_right_int(input : integer; shift : natural) return integer is
  begin
     return (input / (2**shift));
end function shift_right_int;

....

if (videoout_out.hblank = '0') then
   hsync_start <= shift_right_int(nextHCount, 1) + shift_right_int(nextHCount, 2) + shift_right_int(nextHCount, 5);
   hsync_end   <= shift_right_int(nextHCount, 1);              
end if;

[thorn flax]

Pokémon Puzzle Legaue is in a much better state

[native mesa]

You can skip those 🙂

Well maybe not gamma correction

[thorn flax]

before the blocks were particularly illegible. now they are rock solid.
guess they required the dual textures to display properly

[visual forge]

Hey dudes, has anybody gotten Dinosaur Planet to do anything?

It crashes the entire mister for me

[brisk drum]

Cyber tiger now playable

[modern sleet]

Check the compatibility sheet, its not working yet

[silent marten]

So far Animal Forest works as well as it can without RTC 🙂

Will check it tomorrow and set the date 1 day later and see what it says to me

[quick arch]

I managed to launch the version of Dinosaur Planet - Enhanced (Hack 05-02-2023) but I didn't test all updates

[lament escarp]

Don't forget transfer pack!

[languid dune]

Flash saving!? Pretty sure Pokemon Puzzle League uses that!

[zealous hull]

Theoretically, can't you just set it forward now? It's not like it knows it's been a day.

[visual forge]

Very cool! I've never heard of that before, I'll have to google it

[silent marten]

I mean I could do but I gotta test other games with Flash saving 😛

[zealous hull]

I gotta be a good partner and clean around the house today, if nobody else has at that point, I may try to do some AC testing and report back what I find.

[zinc dew]

@wanton sun Interestingly the units in Command and Conquer continue to be invisible even though the invisible sprite issue was fixed in other games.

[zealous hull]

The perfect army.

[silent marten]

You can set it forward a year and see if you have pissed off Tom xD

[visual forge]

What games have flash saving ? I only know of MM which I am trying right now

There is a lot of color banding, is that how N64 games really look or is it an effect of the core being unfinished?

[silent marten]

This should be fixed soon, the video out stuff like AA, Dither etc not implemented

[visual forge]

Thanks dude

[zinc dew]

Anyone testing today’s build have a chance to look at this list?

#1096015979055697940 message

I’m only counting games that more or less operate like on a real system so that means no major issues and you can save progress if the game allows you to.

Once we have controller pak saving I’ll be unpinning that list as the number of games that hit that criteria will skyrocket.

[silent marten]

I think that is all of them, I mean Majora's Mask is saving now but idk if it has some random crashes yet

Wait Tigger's Honey Hunt is not on that list

[modest helm]

Does anyone know of a good place to find compatible N64 saves for MiSTer? Looking for a complete No Mercy save file since flash is supported now

[past mango]

Hell yeah, that's the N64 look I remember

[mortal panther]

Guessing some code cleanup/optimization occurred. Now it's showing lower for me this morning.

[zenith orchid]

By decide, you mean it'll be toggle-able? So far I'm able to get fairly decent results using the video filters in the MiSTer framework

[mortal panther]

Yes.
"all VI features where it's possible will get a toggle in OSD"
#1096015979055697940 message

[viscid gate]

@zinc dew I guess Doubutsu Banchou can be promoted to playable - both the JPN and Eng Translated now go in game with today’s build. I played a couple of hours progress with no issues today

[zenith orchid]

Dang, now I feel like an ass for pinging him for no reason 😅

[mortal panther]

He probably ignores most of us anyway. 😏

[zenith orchid]

yeah, he seems to already know what most of us want anyway

people pay so much for deblur mods

[thorn flax]

this is some early pokemon jank, when nintendo rushed to make as much "content" as possible, love to see it.

reminded me of the PC pokemon card game "pokemon play it"

[wanton sun]

i don't need to answer if other do and sometimes i just have no good answer and pretend i didn't see it 😛

[zenith orchid]

such an honest rascal

[mortal panther]

I have been getting impressive with MiSTer's existing filters as well with the core in its current (extremely impressive) state... but I do want to see all the features that make an N64 an N64... warts and all.

That's authentic.

[manic basin]

CUBIVORE!

[wanton sun]

quartus is just the best random generator that exists. Every build has +- 300 ALM difference only by the luck of how the LUTs and FFs are dropped in

[inner garden]

I think there may be a small zbuffer issue

all the games seem to have tiny holes showing the wrong colors

[mortal panther]

Good to know. I'll not concern myself too much with that in the future. Thanks!

[daring meteor]

We're already up to 76% now?

[mortal panther]

75%! 😉

lol

[wanton sun]

we are at 74-76

[inner garden]

Also, are we sure the n64 controller fix is merged in to where it’s definitely making it into these nightlies the update script is pulling?

[mortal panther]

Seems much lower still than I would have expected at this stage.

[daring meteor]

Hopefully VI and the bug fixes don't take a lot of %

[mortal panther]

That's promising.

[wanton sun]

keep in mind that additional 4000ALM (10%) are currently used for routing only. So the total used is more like 85%. Those migth be freed up, but it will hurt the timing = max clock

[inner garden]

one more thing, F-Zero X first screen where it shows the n64 logo is weird, ripping and tearing

[wanton sun]

that'swhy i always have 90% as max i want to be filled

[languid dune]

Doom Guy got to the N64 logo!

[daring meteor]

You have an estimate for how much VI gonna take?

[wanton sun]

hopefully below 5%

[daring meteor]

A TLBless core at 80-81 would be phenomenal to see

[wanton sun]

another 5% or so for TLB. Leaves 5% for the rest: bugfixes, controller pak, transfer pak, snac

[languid dune]

If anyone can do it. It's you.

[daring meteor]

Mhm

[wanton sun]

so you see, savestates are not really on the list anymore

[languid dune]

Not a problem for me.

[desert nest]

Yeah makes sense

[daring meteor]

Miracles did happen

[zenith orchid]

Even a solid TLBless core would be a massive success. Sure that means no golden eye or perfect dark, but for everything else?

[mortal panther]

Useful for debugging, but once closer to completion, guessing no longer a high priority?

[daring meteor]

Get ready to see a bunch of patches for random games like Mario Tennis to disable TLB

[cold pollen]

I'd happily give up save states for actual console features

not that it's necessarily the exchange we will face

[desert nest]

If that's what it comes down to I totally agree

[wanton sun]

the biggest pain of loosing savestates is debugging games

maybe i do a VI less, TLB less build at some point with savestates

[inner garden]

yeah having a version just for debug seems useful

[zenith orchid]

Maybe test builds can keep load state functionality, but main repo can be without it

[wanton sun]

yes state loading could also be dropped, might free up another 2-3%

[pallid moth]

I didnt know there were patches, only tested in RA the first rom that appeared and it always crashed for me in the beginning. Will give this may version a try

[zealous hull]

Roughly how much room would cheats take up? Does anybody know?

[lean spruce]

With those omissions its looking promising of a console complete featured core. Just amazing!

[tropic sand]

Not sure about anyone else but since trying n64 games for testing the core... there are so many great games on the platform, that thanks to Robert, I'm discovering or re-discovering.

[wanton sun]

depends on how they are done. Cheats that work on the main ram could in theory run on the linux as the ram is in the shared ddr3

[zealous hull]

Oh wow, I didn't know that. Interesting.

I'm going to be happy with whatever the end result is though, tbh. 🙂

Hell, I already am happy.

[quick arch]

Maybe someday the proto will work also

[zenith orchid]

you could in theory make ips patches to hardcode a cheat into a game

[lean spruce]

Yeah, just played Mega Man 64 until southern town. SRAM saves works great

[cold pollen]

Cheats and Save/Load state, from a usability standpoint as a non-dev, should be like the lowest priority IMO

I would rather play all the games than play some of them only but with cheats haha

[lean spruce]

Only cheats I´ve ever used was the non breakable weapons in BOTW 🙂

[zealous hull]

For me at least, end-game Conker almost needs cheats. 😂
But I can also probably just patch the rom at that point.

[lean spruce]

I never played Conker on N64, but did finish it on XBOX. Is the game hard? I dont remember it being hard on the XBOX

[zealous hull]

Nah, I'm just not a real gamer.

[zenith orchid]

I did hear about the Xbox version being easier

[lean spruce]

I´ll let you know when its playable 🙂

[zealous hull]

I've only played N64, but the Saving Private Ryan section destroyed my partner and me.

[marble cargo]

Personally I never used save states, since I prefer to beat games the old fashion way with trial and error. So the sacrifice doesn't bother me.

[gritty current]

I wonder why the contribution graph is so wrong... https://github.com/RobertPeip

[daring meteor]

I think its because Robert uses the command line and github acts funny when it sees that

[zenith orchid]

he's just lazy 🤣

[daring meteor]

Or something inside Quartus

I can remember the same thing happening to me

[gritty current]

interesting

pretty lame bug on github's part

[marble cargo]

Conker's Bad Fur Day always felt weirdly punishing. Like you can die so easily if you make a mistake that it can get annoying at some points. The Saving Private Ryan segment is probably the part that has this problem the most.

[zealous hull]

I'm the only one at work that basically does half my work in terminal--I make all these cool bash scripts and nobody else cares. 🥲

[zealous hull]

This is validating to read, thank you.

[daring meteor]

Me in a year after I'm gonna finish my degree

[zealous hull]

My boss says I have "big dvorak energy". 😂

[daring meteor]

Do you use dvorak

[marble cargo]

Like I said before, Conker's Bad Fur Day is heavily carried by the cutscenes, and the curiosity of how far they take the dark and raunchy humor. But it is held back by pretty major flaws with the gameplay.

[inner bronze]

How does the RAM being shared affect cores that rely on the DDR3? Any latency spikes?

[zealous hull]

No, but give it a year...

[daring meteor]

You will not use dvorak in a year
Source: I'm a Colemak user

[modern sleet]

dvorak and jalad when the walls fell

[quick arch]

I managed to capture it 🙂 not easy

[manic basin]

No, of COURSE I didn't get tricked by that image thinking the triangle was a giant Play button....

[quick arch]

At the begining I think it is a play button 🙂

[modest helm]

So is Majora's Mask playable now since saves seem to be implemented?

[daring meteor]

Yes

[modest helm]

@zinc dew Add Majora's Mask to the playable list Robby! 🙂

[mellow path]

Did anyone get a softlock in MM during the Song of Time scene?

I'm playing the redux hack so potentially it's not something standard mm would run into.

[modest helm]

I'm a little scared to start MM bc the game is infamous for taking forever to get to a save point lol

[mellow path]

Yeah literally the worst possible time for a softlock

[zealous hull]

I'll probably play later today. Once I get to a save point, I can shoot you the save file.

That way you can start from the first save.

Just an option

[zinc dew]

I’m playing it now but the game doesn’t render the song of time notes correctly

Can’t get past that

[modest helm]

That's not playable then. My bad 🙂

[zealous hull]

I'm not sure if I understand, can't you still just play the song?

[modest helm]

Are the Pokemon Stadium games playable now?

[zinc dew]

I don’t think anyone knew that so no worries.

[wanton sun]

i don't know either. It's exactly stopped updating when i switched to a new PC, but my workflow is the same. Maybe git/tortoisegit is set up wrong somehow

[zinc dew]

No, the game gets stuck on Princess Zelda and none of the notes appear rendering a soft lock. The camera should switch to Link to play the notes but it doesn’t do that.

[zealous hull]

Ah. I see now. Ah well.

I may try to play on OG hardware and transfer the save over. That would at least give us a lot to explore.

[wanton sun]

too bad, i would have to play in my emulator to get a savestate from that to even check what is going on

[zinc dew]

Other than the audio cutting out earlier, the game played pretty perfectly

Was extremely impressed

[wanton sun]

do you have a save that makes it easier to get there?

[zinc dew]

Maybe, reloading the game now

Problem on the N64 is that you can’t actually save until you’re able to talk to the owl statues and you can’t until you’re regular Link

But hitting the menu button did make a “saving” message appear

[mellow path]

Ok, same issue as me then

[zinc dew]

So loading now to see

[native mesa]

How much do the CIC chips take up?

[mellow path]

I had the audio cut out as well on MM

[native mesa]

Like would it be possible to do a custom pif that eliminates the need for CIC entirely?

[wanton sun]

no

the pif needs to know which CIC is there so it can setup it's own response to the game

[zinc dew]

@wanton sun ok it saved at the Dawn of the first day. Basically need to do the great fairy, find the bombers, get the moon tear, and trade the moon tear for the deku property quest line all over again.

[wanton sun]

if it's the wrong response, the game doesn't work

[wanton sun]

i'm not familiar with the game, how long takes that in normal time?

[zinc dew]

Maybe like 5 minutes

Gonna try again now

[wanton sun]

my emu runs the game at ~30% speed 😦

maybe there is hack that lets you save whenever you want?

hmm majoras mask is cic 6105, could it be the game does a check at that point?

[mellow path]

It's 30 minutes of real time because the 3 day cycle has to run

You can skip things but you also need to be familiar with the game for that. We could certainly map out the path for you

[zealous hull]

Add "speedrunner" to Robert's CV.

[daring meteor]

Send someone the emulator to do it for you

[thorn flax]

I got to that point too

[native mesa]

That must be why the one guy said everdrive patches games on the fly. Damn copy protection 🤦🏻

[iron trail]

Yeah I understand it's not intended for public use but the community being able to make states for reproducible crashes might save you a lot of heartache @wanton sun ❤️

Or maybe make more heartache 😅

[wanton sun]

the emulator doesn't work like that, you would be surprised. It's basically unusable without the development environment

[iron trail]

That makes sense, thank you for indulging our curiosity

[wanton sun]

there are currently still plenty of bugs easier to reach. maybe one of them has the same root cause

[vapid hawk]

Maybe someone can get a save from MM on real hardware to skip that scene

[zealous hull]

Trying to do that now.

[vapid hawk]

Then find another case where it does the same thing nearer a save point

[wanton sun]

i have a 100% save file, but not sure it would help

[wise hemlock]

As long as I can play Superman64 in its entirety someday

[vapid hawk]

Can you play the ocarina ok on it?

[wanton sun]

anyway, i have plenty of tasks currently, better not open another one 😅

[modest helm]

So is it looking like save states and/or cheats won't make the cut bc of size issues? If so, I'm totally fine with that, as long as every game is playable

[wise hemlock]

16th Core played DK Rap all the way on mine last night, then cut off in game title screen

Looking forward to seeing Blast Corps working

[wanton sun]

yes, played song of time forward and backwards without issues

[zealous hull]

too soon to tell, but I wouldn't expect them

[daring meteor]

I assume the broken games are easier to debug

[wanton sun]

anything that has a defined freeze within the first minute or so is much easier

best case if it's not just stuck after a loading screen or so

[daring meteor]

Yeah, so those are probaby easier targets to check

[zealous hull]

Including romhacks that work on og hardware?

Or should those be excluded?

[wanton sun]

e.g. if something is loading for 3 seconds, i can't know if it crashes at the beginning or the end

anything above 100ms is not possible to simulate

e.g. Kirby, 007 and the instant hang in majoras mask(with shocked link face) have been great, as they froze in the first frame

[daring meteor]

Are you aware of the Wresling games?

[zealous hull]

I'm curious if I can't get to a point in MM on OG hardware where you learn a new song (not song of time) and the same issue occurs. That would make debugging easier, I imagine.

[wanton sun]

unfortunatly i know they exist on the n64, yes

[wise hemlock]

Blast Corps freezes on the Rare Logo

[daring meteor]

They're one of the few games that instantly freeze on the core

[tropic sand]

One example...Dark Rift.. Gets in game, just do a few fighting moves and then it locks up.

[daring meteor]

iirc that one is TLB

[wanton sun]

i can quickly identify good candidates with the compat sheet 🙂

[daring meteor]

May one of those candidates be Jet Force Gemini

[wise hemlock]

So what is the issue with Mario64 face?

That is like a tech demo for N64

[tidal zenith]

too face-y

[zinc dew]

@wanton sun good news!

[daring meteor]

TLB

[zinc dew]

I sped-run to that scene lol. This time audio wasn’t cut out. Not sure if that’s related or not.

[iron trail]

@zinc dew ohh so you got past it?

[wanton sun]

could be that it only works if audio isn't hang up

[iron trail]

Or it hung at the same point?

[zealous hull]

Makes sense. Song of Time won't work if the goddesses can't hear it.

[zinc dew]

I got past it, and I was able to save

[wanton sun]

great 🙂

[iron trail]

Nice

[wanton sun]

no we only need to know why the audio stops

but the game has slowdown that makes the audio run slower, so it could be the reason

[zinc dew]

@mellow path audio cut out for you too, you said. Were you able to reach the skull kid and hit the Princess Zelda ocarina cutscene?

[mellow path]

I was, yes

[zinc dew]

Did you get locked there or were you able to proceed?

[mellow path]

I got locked. But I just played through again. The audio did not cut out and I was able to proceed through the Song of Time cutscene.

[zinc dew]

@wanton sun that’s two for two on the same issue

We both hit the same problem and we’re able to bypass it the same exact way

Thanks @mellow path !

If the audio cuts out for you and you can't proceed past the Princess Zelda ocarina cutscene, then use this save which places you right after the Skullkid fight:

[manic basin]

Apart from having to manually set the time on boot, Animal Forest is 100% playable now. I know how I'm going to be spending my week!

[zinc dew]

Updated the Fully Playable pinned list with Majora's Mask along with a link to that post - #1096015979055697940 message

[manic basin]

Cubovore as well.

[worn delta]

Animal Forest would be a fun game of the month

[manic basin]

It would.

[zinc dew]

right, thanks. Updating the list with that and Dobutsu no Mori

[manic basin]

How many bells? ALL THE BELLS.

[mellow path]

I imagine that we might run into more softlocks in MM if the audio cuts out before learning a song.

[fair stump]

Gotta just not shut the game off

[quaint rune]

Animal crossing speed run 😈

[inner bronze]

Why do some games have slowdowns actually? (beyond what is normal)

[mellow path]

The workaround would be to find your nearest owl save and reset anytime you lose audio.

[fair stump]

Saving works for animal forest but the game will be a bit busted if you turn it off

[zealous hull]

I'm curious if I load this and wait for the audio to cut out, if the Song of Healing will similarly glitch out.

[silent marten]

Why?

[fair stump]

A person said the game won't progress because there's no RTC currently.

[silent marten]

It appears to remember the time you saved the game

So then you set the date and time and continue on

[zinc dew]

yeah, good thinking. I may keep playing to find out, haha

[fair stump]

#1096015979055697940 message

[silent marten]

Yeah we was discussing it there

[mortal panther]

That'll show 'em. Can't keep Robby down! 🤣

[mellow path]

I had the audio cut out almost immediately after going through the Song of Time reset. I then played double song of time and the game softlocked.

[silent marten]

I will continue my save tomorrow and set the time and date accordingly and see what Tom Nook says to me

[thorn flax]

the patch has problems. around the time your fist mortgage is complete your save will go weird; or so I'm told

[mellow path]

So potentially it might be a lot easier to repro the MM freeze. Just run the emulator until the audio cuts out and play any ocarina song.

[cerulean elk]

Playing Cubivore obv

[silent marten]

Hmmm, I will need to get to that point then, it will take a while but I will do it

[thorn flax]

that was my issue.

amusingly I carried on playing after the sound hitch happened 'cause I figured if I got passed the first loop I could save reboot and continue

[cold pollen]

what a weird sentence to read out of context

[zinc dew]

did you freeze when Princess Zelda was doing the ocarina tutorial as well?

[thorn flax]

yep

[zinc dew]

Ok, three for three! I feel confident that the audio cutting out is the issue @wanton sun

[worn delta]

It may just work fine if you manually set the date to today every day, but that will get old fast. Let us know how things go, am looking forward to playing this finally

[wanton sun]

ok, so i rather look for why the audio stops when i have time for it

[zinc dew]

@wanton sun no rush at all, thank you so much!

[wanton sun]

maybe it's just the rsp being too slow currently

[zinc dew]

we have a known way to bypass that softlock anyways, and we have a save file to help as well

[silent marten]

Every time I load my save it will set time and date to the time I saved the game

[zinc dew]

so that game is very much playable

❤️

[wanton sun]

usually the RSP can operate on normal instructions and vector instructions in parallel, but that is not implemented yet as it makes debugging horrible

[zinc dew]

oof, sorry to hear

[worn delta]

Hmm, does that mean that if you come back after a day then it will think it is the time you left off at?

[manic basin]

Anyone else have a regression in pokemon snap where you can't take photoes after pressing Z and you get a repeated button sound very quickly while it's held down?

[silent marten]

Yeah

[mellow path]

When that audio cut-out happens, it looks like you will softlock the game playing any ocarina song, so I would make that very clear if you include it under playable.

[silent marten]

But what I want to check is to set the time and date to the actual time and date I go back at

[wanton sun]

better not have it as playable for now

[worn delta]

Right, that means we won't really be able to progress, as time doesn't pass when you aren't playing so will be stuck in limbo pretty soon when nothing really progresses

[fair stump]

Is time traveling possible in animal forest?

[worn delta]

What happened to me on Game Cube with dead battery

[cerulean elk]

Someone’s trying to game the stalk market

Lol

[manic basin]

It prompts you and uses the last save file date/time as the source.

I just did a full cold reboot and it worked.

[fair stump]

I have never time traveled in one of those. I ain't no cheater 🤣

[worn delta]

Yeah but that means if you come back tomorrow a day won't have passed so nothing has changed

[wanton sun]

just tried, what does lock for you?

[cerulean elk]

My wife didn’t either. She refused. She played like 700 hours year one of the pandemic

[manic basin]

Yeah. Lemme grab a cap.

[silent marten]

But you can manually tell the game a day has passed

[worn delta]

Can you do this?

[silent marten]

It knows your last save date and time and asks you what the current day and time actually is

[fair stump]

Now that's a wife you can trust 😆

[manic basin]

Yes.

[cerulean elk]

Yes she will never get arrested for insider trading in real life

[manic basin]

That's just pressing Z. Lemme try a cold boot.

[cerulean elk]

haunted. ghosts in the code

[wanton sun]

cannot reproduce that in the ntsc version

[manic basin]

// booooooo <TODO: boo>

[cerulean elk]

and back at looking at N64 footage in Resolve lol

[vapid hawk]

kinda sounds like you may of accidentally put turbo on Z?

[silent marten]

@worn delta technically I can load the game now and tell it that 10 years have passed and I still owe Tom Nook like 18k bells or whatever

[cold pollen]

Just FYI to everyone the NSO N64 controller is still available:

https://www.nintendo.com/store/products/nintendo-64-controller/

[manic basin]

Cold reboot fixed it. I was using Z last in Animal Forest (run button). I dunno if that somehow horked up the buffer or now.

[manic basin]

I have turbo disabled core wide. I hate it. Hehe. But that's exactly what it sounds like.

[quick arch]

With Alien Sun (Unlicensed) game it shows every time this RSP error on the second screen could it helps ?
There is the source also
https://github.com/9nova/aliensun

[manic basin]

*system wide

[fair stump]

I should probably just bite the bullet and get one

[chrome quest]

I couldn't reproduce either. Looked like maybe Z had Turbo set (nvm just read your message above)

[cerulean elk]

@languid dune itll have more F zero lol

[wanton sun]

maybe, thank you 🙂

[zealous hull]

Man, it's taking forever for audio to cut out in MM.

[wanton sun]

i think it happens most in the south area of the town where it stutters

[silent marten]

it seemed to be almost as soon as I got to the town for me

[manic basin]

Welp. Yep, I had a template INI loaded not my custom. So it HAD to be turbo. I didn't see the notification for autofire on, though. Mystery solved...and a new mystery awaits. C'mon Scoob.

[wanton sun]

funny, i wasn't able to press z fast enough to trigger that

[zealous hull]

It's struggling, but not cutting out. 😅 Going to keep running around and make as much noise as possible.

[manic basin]

So, you ARE a machine?

[zealous hull]

Like a menace.

[wanton sun]

if at all, it proves i'm not 😅

[silent marten]

Speaking of Scoob... Scooby Doo still has missing graphics

[manic basin]

You're a machine that turns code into joy, even if a biological one!

[manic basin]

Yeah... it's kinda neat in a creepy way.

[silent marten]

It really is

[zealous hull]

Ah! Finally got the audio to cut out. Going to see if I softlock on song of healing now.

[proud tundra]

So, looking at the detail… it’s the alpha level which are likely incorrect. Inverse shadows because the darker areas are too dark and the lighter areas are too light.

[zealous hull]

Yep!

Cannot learn Song of Healing now. But could earlier when audio was working.

Robby's save is a perfect place to debug, compared to a fresh save.

[wanton sun]

now the big question is if really the performance is what makes the audio stop. E.g. would it stop in a area where it sounds fine and performance is no issue when you stand still

[zealous hull]

I mean, I had the game on and paused for a while and it was fine. I can leave it paused for several hours and get back to you, if that helps?

[wanton sun]

paused may be different

[zealous hull]

Yeah, of course this issue happens in a game where you can't just stand still for hours.

[wanton sun]

maybe i just leave it running with backwards song of time tomrrow and check. Have to leave for today, have fun!

and thanks everyone 🙂

[silent marten]

Have a great night Robert

[zealous hull]

Take care, Robert! Thanks!

[zinc dew]

good night!

[cerulean elk]

see ya!

ok dads away...make with the GIFs and insults between ourselves!

[silent marten]

https://tenor.com/view/bacon-gif-4287744

[zealous hull]

It's been less than a minute and we already have anarchy.

[fair stump]

@zinc dew isn't a good mod

He's a great mod

[zealous hull]

How many real minutes is a full 3 day cycle in MM with backward song of time? Will probably leave the game running for multiple sessions, but would like to know how long to set a timer

[iron trail]

The audio stopping and lockup when learning a song thing happens on the GameCube version of Majora's Mask as well if anyone is curious

[zinc dew]

You can talk to the scarecrow to skip to the next night/day

[zealous hull]

Correct, but I'm trying to see if the audio cuts out while I'm doing nothing.

I think standing still for the longest time you can in-game is probably the best way to test that.

[zinc dew]

Oh my bad

[zealous hull]

Google says 2 hours, 42 minutes.

Going to test that, I guess.

Guess I'll report back in 3 hours.

[vapid hawk]

i think if you just stand around at the very beginning of the game before arriving at clock town then the timer isn't really running

[zealous hull]

Oh that's smart.

[vapid hawk]

if not it would be funny to find out what happens !

[zealous hull]

But I think the cutout happens most frequently in South Clocktown (that's where the audio seems to be struggling the most for me), so better to try that area first, I think. I may leave running in the woods overnight while I sleep though.

[iron trail]

Nice work, man

[cold pollen]

no need to delete, we do have off topic though!

[zealous hull]

Keep it!

https://tenor.com/view/friend-spongebob-smile-want-gif-23862635

[native mesa]

I'll bring it back. Now I can outdoor projector to play Mario kart in the yard

With Roberts N64 core TM

[zinc dew]

Really nice job on the outdoor outlet!

[cerulean elk]

this reminds me our outdoor outlet is fucked and I need to change it still

reset switch is jammed in the "no power for you" position so I need to cut the power at the breaker and swap it...but its building power so its a whole fucking approval process to switch the damn thing off for ten minutes

lest we lose hallway lights for a minute in the middle of the day

[native mesa]

Just wear these

[mellow path]

If I don't move at all after loading the game into Clock Town, the audio seems to cut out in < 30 seconds. Has happened to me twice.

[zealous hull]

That's really good to know. It took me forever to lose audio running around and getting abused by the dog.

[mellow path]

Repro'ed a 3rd time. Hopefully you see the same behaviour.

It's reproducing very consistently for me, and after a reboot. Just load into clock town and don't touch the controller until the audio cuts out.

[neat sierra]

Nintendo is probably wondering about this weird little spike in n64 controller sales

[cerulean elk]

she's a bit beyond 4D-40...touch crushed

[cold pollen]

I doubt it since they usually wait six months to open up orders again so they're used to spikes

[runic flax]

Oh, that's a bummer

Just change it hot... it'll be fine

[neat sierra]

Just do it really fast

[cerulean elk]

my wife said no lol

[runic flax]

Lmao

[cerulean elk]

she doesn't believe I wont die

[neat sierra]

Hmm bill for a second life insurance policy in the mail…

Must be a mistake

[runic flax]

Yeah, wives be like that sometimes

[zealous hull]

20 minutes in and my audio is still working...

[native mesa]

You look like a CRT man I'm sure youved touched a yoke or two

[cerulean elk]

lol no filmmaker hasn't tasted at least a little bit of lightning on set once before

@manic basin probably knows the flavor of electricity in his mouth. It was a flavor...like imagine if static tasted

[mellow path]

Here's video of what I'm seeing.

[vapid hawk]

is that a romhack? whats with the blue a button

[mellow path]

That's the original USA rom.

[vapid hawk]

oh sorry, the A button on n64 pads is blue

how strange i've never really internalized that

[mellow path]

Yeah they also chose a strange teal-like colour to represent the blue button. I like it but it's not the colour of the controller button.

[vapid hawk]

probably less artifacty on composite or something so improved the text legibility

[manic basin]

Oh, I very much do. But my dad was an electrician and I helped to earn money when I was a kid, so I learned it well before film. Thank goodness we are only 110 in the US or I'd likely be dead.

[cerulean elk]

nothing tastes like electricity haha. Everyone go lick your CRT screen and imagine that flavor in your mouth but also your arm is numb and you are pissed off

[chrome quest]

Interesting change to Goemon. Used to crash on a "Critical Exception occured"+"PI error".
Now it is just "CPU stall timeout". Hopefully that is a good change!

[manic basin]

My dad pigtailed a screw hole on a box coming into a hospital off of the main trunk. He tasted electricity, then smoke, then a medically induced coma for 3 weeks.

[fair stump]

I noticed that. I think both goemon games now give the same error?

I didn't look up the specific reason, just the codes were similar

[chrome quest]

Alot of the same codes showing up now across many different games

[fair stump]

Which means they'll hopefully all get fixed at the same time 🤞

[chrome quest]

Ya, Goemon 2 same error indeed (but with a pretty colour)

[cerulean elk]

ouch. Thats beyond that I know. Hit mains. Spicy

thats why my first lesson in lighting to my students was "I am not kidding. This light here? It draws enough electricity to kill you. Like for real. Dead and gone"

[fair stump]

https://tenor.com/view/nonsense-gif-19256468

[native mesa]

how yung lonk got da blue blue

[topaz otter]

Turok 2 the cave of the blind ones

A level that sucks, good luck

[zealous hull]

Finally got MM audio to cut out leaving it doing nothing. It took well over an hour though, I think.

So, it varies, it seems.

[visual mortar]

Hello, anyone else have problem with 8bitdo n64 mod kit mapping? Impossible to map c-left and c-up

[zealous hull]

I fixed mine by mapping c buttons to right stick in main

[visual mortar]

Thank u i Will try

[hasty kayak]

No. Mine works perfectly. Didn't have to do anything beyond mapping the buttons in the Core.

[frigid dirge]

Is anyone else having issues with the N64-database_user.txt file? I've added details for Smash Bros Remix to it but it won't boot. If I add the details to the normal N64-database.txt file, it works fine.

[visual mortar]

With Old release no problem, but impossible to map with New release

[topaz otter]

Look what i got

[night silo]

I'm not sure if it's true, but I remember hearing this translation patch crashes on real HW sometimes. Maybe it's been updated though

[orchid nimbus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycbpV_CzIVk

Insane how spot on this looks now

[night silo]

I really love MM, can't wait to play it on the core once it's released 🙂

Or maybe sooner if I get impatient

[manic basin]

Check Awbacon's next video.... I did a cold reboot and the first set of Nook quests. So far, it works!

Definitely play it if you're into AC!

[cerulean elk]

and exporting

[manic basin]

I mean, I can't technically say it will never crash. But the first hour + doesn't.

[cerulean elk]

N64 yesterday, Saturn today, N64 tomorrow and four emulation tutorials for fall...plus two yesterday. Thats 9 damn voice overs this weekend and its 3 pm sunday lol

[marble cargo]

The funny part about the core for me is seeing the issues that emulators had struggled with for years get fixed within mere days.

It really highlights the difference between software emulation and FPGA hardware emulation.

[night silo]

Gotcha yeah, there could be nothing to it, I just distinctly remember hearing that the translation is unstable even on everdrive + real N64. Hopefully it's been fixed since then though, it has been a while

[manic basin]

Fingers crossed.

Because I'm really enjoying it so far!

[night silo]

Yeah, the original AC is my favorite so that would be awesome to play on the core 🙂

[zinc dew]

Just assume everything has a chance of crashing since it’s a WIP core.

[noble escarp]

Weird that this is happening across many different N64 controllers and adapters. It’s happening with the generic adapter i got from Amazon and I saw some others saying it happened with their NSO controller. Does anyone have any ideas on why C Buttons are randomly not working? Mapping to second stick didn’t work for mine

[zinc dew]

I use the NSO N64 controller and never had issues.

[noble escarp]

Yeah that’s what’s weird, I’m pretty sure i saw someone say 2 C buttons didn’t work on their NSO when others have no problems at all

I’m getting an NSO controller tomorrow so I’ll check on mine

[zinc dew]

I’ve only used my 8BitDo Pro 2, NSO N64, and SNAX + original controller. No issues.

Maybe that helps?

[noble escarp]

Good to know! It’s something to think about if someone knows about controller settings a bit more

[zealous hull]

My 8BitDo kit worked out the box no problem. Unpaired it and repaired it and had issues, set the C buttons to stick and it worked.

It's very odd. Not consistent. But I really do think it originates at the MiSTer level, rather than the core.

Not positive, of course.

[noble escarp]

I agree, i can’t even map c down or c left on the main menu (it acts like I’m not pressing a button), no problem mapping them to other buttons in the core

Welp, nevermind, i just mapped to the right stick again and it worked fine this time. I’ve done this more than once before so I dunno 🤷 ignore me please

[vagrant ivy]

C is mapped as an Analog Joystick on the 8bitdo mod

you can see it in the windows test app

[native mesa]

Patcher 64+ tool is pretty cool

It lets me remove young link's voice

[hollow rune]

https://tenor.com/view/rona-gif-19151228

[carmine kettle]

it work with d-input mode with bluetooth mode. switch mode with blueretro receiver

[blissful plaza]

For NTSC regular version, with first save slot named 'Link'.

If you want to play a little bit without doing the whole 3 days for the first time, a save done just after removing the Deku mask & playing backwards the Song of Time.
About 50 rupees in bank.

No problem at all with the Song of Time on the flashback with Zelda, just some audio drops when we are in town - I tested just some minutes ago.

[native mesa]

I literally just encountered this lock

Are you a magician

[blissful plaza]

EDIT : The core only uses a single SDRAM stick, so no.

[native mesa]

Maybe it's just placebo but performance seems to increase when audio drops

[chrome quest]

PAL graphics bug in Bomberman Hero. Few rows of bottom pixels flickering constantly in gameplay. Maybe the difference in resolution? 320x237 NTSC, 320x293 PAL

[hollow rune]

That's definitely new

[chrome quest]

Is that a regression? There had been no entry for PAL on the spreadsheet until now

[hollow rune]

oh sorry is missed it was pal. that I don't know

[reef trench]

try with the bottom switch set to "S"

[candid copper]

beat starfox64 for the first time since my childhood. man Venom was waaaaay harder than I remember. used like 6 of my 10 lives

[weary palm]

Mojo mask?

Ah, the French name perhaps

[orchid nimbus]

Mr mojo rising 😉

[languid dune]

Feels nice to finally be able to save my profile in Pokemon Puzzle League.

[eternal island]

buddy was over and beat starfox 64 in every possible way lol

ran really well

[visual mortar]

Its working...i map c buttons like 2nd stick and all is working! Thanks to all for your help

[final walrus]

did you try with the current core yet? I really want to play it and emulators give me trouble

[zinc dew]

I don’t think the core is running games at full speed.

But I haven’t done any extensive testing honestly

[zealous hull]

Yep, same issues.

[final walrus]

I assume you'll keep trying and shout from the rooftops if it works eventually

[zinc dew]

The pins has a link to a majora’s mask save file in the fully playable game list. Was posted earlier today.

Basically it’s due to the audio dropping out. You don’t even need the save file, just reload and blitz through the initial segment and the audio won’t drop out on you by the time you reach Princess Zelda.

That’s how I generated my save file anyways. It’s right after that soft lock so it’s about as unaltered as possible.

[native mesa]

Ill probably hold out until audio issues are fixed before playing.

Glad I don't have to do the intro again though for the millionth time

[zinc dew]

Yeah, good thinking. I’ll be playing a bit more to see when I encounter again and what kind of issues it produces.

Surprised the ocarina segments were as tied to the audio RSP instead of merely being button inputs.

[chrome quest]

Are there other games with audio drops? I guess I missed previous discussion of a "similar?" issue with DK64

[orchid nimbus]

I just lost audio on majoras mask

[zinc dew]

you sure it’s not your hearing?

[orchid nimbus]

…… FFS who made this toddler a mod

[zinc dew]

GOTTEM fr fr no cap

[native mesa]

Kids are saying zork now

[blissful plaza]

Yes, Deku mask.
I was replying with someone who plays the game in PAL (French) at the same time, and the names were mixed up between regions.

Okay, I have an audio cut off after going back from Deku Swamp to Termina.

[chrome quest]

Checked all the non-playable PAL games. Likely anything untested is playable if NTSC is anything to go by.
Bizzare that so far I've only one noticable region difference.
PAL BattleTanx - Global Assault runs, NTSC black screen.
The plot of that game sure is.... something.

[zinc dew]

Try to play the ocarina and see what happens

[blissful plaza]

Okay, I'm trying right now.

Crashed when opening the menus (I didn't had the ocarina on a C button at that time).

[orchid nimbus]

@zinc dew will show up at your home and spank you

[vapid hawk]

thats only for Robbys premium tier onlyfans subs

[blissful plaza]

I can try with my real ocarina though. 😂

Nope, still no Robby at my home, even after trying with a real ocarina, too bad.

[cerulean elk]

moddler?

[native mesa]

Is it day-coo or deck-oo

[quasi storm]

Dee-coo?

[native mesa]

Well it's japanese so probably でく

https://forvo.com/word/デク/

deh coo

[blissful plaza]

Going back and forth inside Termina could lead once more to an audio cut off.
I can pull the ocarina out, but nothing is registered/detected even when doing songs known at that time of the adventure.
And when I open the menus, I can't go back to the game or change a page between the menus.

[quick arch]

With Flash added, we are able to save on Dinosaur Planet

[cerulean elk]

Nice

[dusty tusk]

I didn't even know dinosaur planet was working, much less not saving. Wasn't there a fan project to try to restore as much a possible?

[native mesa]

Man I love the N64 hacking scene

They go to show just how great the N64 could have been

[quick arch]

the database needs to be updated because the save type is not ok

I made a PR

[dusty tusk]

This gives a very short example of every character being pronounced
https://youtube.com/shorts/-XjcjkwKSxM?si=nvEcWPsWO0zI9Xal

[quick arch]

yes there is a project last update is 2023-09-12. I used this one

[vapid hawk]

yeah they've been busy

[zinc dew]

Incredible

[vapid hawk]

is it completable now?

[mild ether]

The hacking scene does seem pretty legit for N64. It's definitely getting me interested in spending the time to finish up learning how to do the work better. It's more fun than playing the games tbh.

[quick arch]

I don't know

[native mesa]

It doesn't include these "extra sounds"

[zenith orchid]

I'm excited about potential middle grounds with that megatexture approach. So that there's a notable improvement in texture quality without slowing games down too much

and perhaps it could utilize more than 8mb of ram

[native mesa]

Here's like 2:06 for 'de' pronunciation https://youtu.be/SS61K4puXdA

Not sure if any japanese speakers can chime in

How to say Deku

[elfin relic]

you're right, it's pronounced like デク, the forvo posted earlier is right

[native mesa]

Seems like how で is pronounced depends on dialect

[zenith orchid]

great, we've devolved into a weeb chat now 😄

[native mesa]

digivolved

[orchid nimbus]

Yup - bonus points for indentifying what I just said

[manic basin]

90s TV from Japan (maybe it's still the case, I just haven't watched any since then) had a 'softened ka' pronunciation so all the ka/ki/ku/ke/ko syllables were pronounced gna/gni/gnu/gne/gno.

[zenith orchid]

クェスト
シクスティー
フォー

[manic basin]

(at least Tokyoben pronunciations...didn't watch any Osaka/Kyoto/etc)

[elfin relic]

I don't really hear a softened K in every day speech, at least around me in Tokyo

[dusty tusk]

Learn how to pronounce: a, i, u, e, o. Congrats you know how to pronounce basically everything 🤣

[manic basin]

No, specifically TV broadcasts.

I assume for mic popping maybe..

[elfin relic]

I guess I don't watch a lot of broadcast, can't let the NHK people get a wiff of me less they come knocking on my door

[manic basin]

HAH! Truth. We had to watch news in Japanese class in high school. And Downtown. Which was at least fun.

And it felt like it was sort of an 'old way' of doing things, even in the 90s. Like WWII sayings (asa meshi mae ni, etc)

[native mesa]

Why is google translate ass?

Google is just losing hard nowadays

[elfin relic]

on the whole, it's actually fairly decent if fed enough context

deepl sometimes is better, sometimes is worse

[native mesa]

But it can't detect a language

Can't we have babelfish yet?

[manic basin]

I blame Zaphod.

[dusty tusk]

Guys, my wife has started watching Japanese peppa pig, and it's honestly working

[elfin relic]

I've seen that suggested a lot to beginners, but honestly I don't think I could stand it

[native mesa]

John Wick in Japanese

[manic basin]

Kobuta....tanuki...kitsune...neko....'oi, you wot?'' ...pon pon pon pon......kon kon...nyao

[candid copper]

hahahaha

you found a way

[weary beacon]

Maybe you could implement the RSP parallel processing with an on/off option?

[zenith orchid]

Damn right I did 😂

[verbal cedar]

can someone explain the new downloader change? So when I add the line in Windows to download.ini, that means when I run update_all it should just update N64 instead of having to run that update_n64 script

?

[worn delta]

It will grab the latest test build from Robert and the latest .txt file

[verbal cedar]

and I can use update_all not update right...? will it revert the fact I'm on unstable because I used update_64 in the past...?

[worn delta]

I think just running the official update script will grab them once you add that, but update all certainly does, I did it earlier and worked great 🙂

[dusty tusk]

I'd switch to update all and retire the update N64 script going forward

[worn delta]

Yeah it will move you to the latest stable Main running either official or update all

[verbal cedar]

oh dope, and the only change was adding that line in the downloader.ini file right

[worn delta]

Which is fine as it has all the N64 stuff in there now

So you don't need the N64 script anymore

Update all will also grab the two BIOS files too now

[dusty tusk]

Still have to grab the n64 cores manually right?

[worn delta]

Nope

[chrome quest]

Just need that analog fix though.

[grave island]

Latest test build forces Star Wars Episode 1: Racing into 480i even when you set it to low res or use standard 4MB ram.

[verbal cedar]

since y'all know so much --can you tell me how to disable super speed in the gba core haha. I turned it on by accident and all games are running 2x and I can't get it off. It wasn't in the OSD (from what I could tell), it happened from button mashing

[dusty tusk]

Well then...

[worn delta]

Add that line to your .ini and it grabs the latest test build

[wraith iron]

I’ve been running the script which put me on unstable, will running update all revert me to stable main?

[fair stump]

Check to see your button mappings and if one is fast forward, that's what I'd do

[dusty tusk]

What line?

[worn delta]

Check pinned messages

[worn delta]

Yes, no need to be on unstable anymore

[wraith iron]

Great, thanks, as long a I don’t have to do anything and it’ll automatically pick up updates from update_all?

[worn delta]

Yep

[wraith iron]

🍾

[worn delta]

Everything you need to play the latest N64 core is grabbed by update all

[wraith iron]

Excellent. Just didn’t want to be randomly stuck on some nightly main without realising it haha

[worn delta]

Yeah, is great everything is grabbed by update all now, should get everyone the right files out of the door.

[wraith iron]

I’m just amazed at the progress. I’ve never seen n64 look so good as on my pvm (480i) with this core

No AA is revelatory

[zinc dew]

uh oh we’ve got another one

Boys, get the Vaseline

well teach ‘em to ‘preciate blurry visuals one way or another

[mortal panther]

As long as those settings will end up being toggle...able...ble, I don't really care. 🙂

[hollow orbit]

It’s a tub o’ turok!

[warped cobalt]

The AA and blurriness is what gives the N64 its charm. If you remove it it just looks like any other voodoo 3dfx era gfx

[mortal panther]

...which, that's not bad either.

[dusty tusk]

Once cheats get in, many games have AA disable cheats at the very least

[wraith iron]

Both approaches are good

It’s just interesting to see, compared to seeing it through composite on the crap CRT I had growing up

[mortal panther]

I think it was the last console I used with S-Video. Looked great on the 27" Trinitron.

Was nice being able to use the exact same S-Video A/V cable from the SNES.

[wraith iron]

Yeah that would have been pretty ideal in the day

[topaz otter]

this is true, you can run mario 64 in an emulator with the resolution enhanced and the antialiasing turned on, and it looks pretty primitive compared to the 3D graphics accelerators of the day

[topaz otter]

this is quake II from 1996 with 3dfx acceleration

i think the N64 had the advantage when it came to color range

but it lost when it came to resolution because it was stuck in 320x240

also 3d accelerator cards just kept getting better with each year and the N64 got weaker every year so it kept looking worse and worse

[fair stump]

Mark it at completable 👍

[iron dove]

Pokeman theme time https://youtu.be/H5MYHX6JTbI?t=31

[vapid hawk]

also framerate, my voodoo3 will do like 80fps in quake2

[cold pollen]

Gotta show that rail gun spiral

That was an immediate difference as I recall

[topaz otter]

I always felt like since ram prices were dropping so fast, if the N64 had launched six months later than it did they could have double the ram in this thing for the same price

and it probably would have felt like a totally different machine

[cold pollen]

I want to say that Glide or whatever it was looked better

[zinc dew]

N64 > Voodoo 2

[topaz otter]

wasn't glide just a wrapper

[zinc dew]

N64 had whimsy and fun. Voodoo 2 had a weird box I guess? N64 wins.

[cold pollen]

Eh? 3dfx glide

[iron dove]

glide was their proprietary API that was more optimised for the hardware

[topaz otter]

oh thats right

[cold pollen]

Yep

[iron dove]

lots of 3d chip makers at the time had em, only glide was really popular

[tidal glade]

glide and opengl

[iron dove]

well, some others

[tidal glade]

miss my banshee

[topaz otter]

I remember i had to have a glide wrapper for ultrahle because I had an ATI radeon 7500

[hollow orbit]

https://youtu.be/zqdeyseQAP4?si=btd6TS56-zwjVc10

[cinder pagoda]

Had two Voodoo 2 cards myself. Was glorious at the time

[tidal glade]

time that you can throw a smoke grenade in cs game and see the guys without vga freeze

trident 2mb 😄

[zinc dew]

Graphics too high res and castle is too angular. No whimsy. N64 wins.

[topaz otter]

theres something going on with the card in that video

[cinder pagoda]

Was also the dats of absolute crappy Matrox cards

[zinc dew]

Look at environment. So natural, so beautiful, full of fun.

[topaz otter]

I'm seeing a lot of texture popping

[zinc dew]

Can’t do that on a Voodoo 2

[vapid hawk]

smoke grenades in CS and the amount of slowdown they caused is basically why i know everything i know about 3d graphics today lol

[fair stump]

As God intended

[topaz otter]

is that koopa the dick

that bastard owes me

[zinc dew]

Only on N64

Koops the dick

[vapid hawk]

voodoo3 can do a lot better than quake2 aswell, you can run max payne on one (just about)

[topaz otter]

I'm glad that kaze emanuar sent koopa the quick into the shadow realm with those a button presses

[rose elbow]

it's fun booting up switch nso n64 and doing a quick little looksy at how that compares. it feels like playing the Windows 98 Voodoo2 pc port of Mario Kart 64 or something

[hollow orbit]

Part of me wants a 3dfx card for my Pentium for period accuracy but I’m struggling to think of what it could do that a much much cheaper and faster nvidia/ati card couldn’t.

[topaz otter]

the price on those cards now its not worth it

also they are dying

[hollow orbit]

Voodoo3 looks the most reasonable

[vapid hawk]

i don't really get how nintendo made the NSO n64 stuff so bad, wasnt their n64 emulator for wii pretty top tier?

[rose elbow]

i dont have an answer..

[hollow orbit]

But I think this basically disposable Geforce4 MX that came in a curb trash Dell outperforms it?

[manic basin]

Do I need to play the first 63 to understand this game?

[vapid hawk]

there's some games that are kind of only 3d accelerated on 3dfx cards, older stuff, pre directX

[cold pollen]

Whimsy sounds like a game engine Nintendo would develop

[hollow orbit]

Tomb Raider and …MDK? I think? MDK is one I do want to finally play through.

[vapid hawk]

yeah, a few others aswell, i've forgotten but there's sites dedicated to all this stuff

[topaz otter]

MDK on period correct hardware is a fever dream, I have played it

[hollow orbit]

So this crappy Geforce4 MX 440 is basically a GeForce2 which IIRC is right when nvidia started spanking 3dfx

[zinc dew]

MDK rocks

[topaz otter]

its the most utterly bizarre game

[hollow orbit]

How necessary is 3dfx? I’ve seen people say it actually looks nicer software rendered

[topaz otter]

its not, I run it on a DX5 card

ATI radeon 7500 through radeon 9200 should be fine with it

[manic basin]

MDK will never not make me think of Demolition Man.

[hollow orbit]

I always get stuck on mapping the controls to work well for me. Maybe it’s time for my… SPACEORB

[topaz otter]

i think those are DX7 cards

[manic basin]

It's illumnating.

[topaz otter]

i got mdk as a pack in with the microsoft force feedback joystick

let me tell you

[vapid hawk]

3dfx also has quite a unique look imo, i think its due to how they used dithering up from 24bit and stuff, it gives it a really soft-edged look

[manic basin]

That statement is cool TWICE

[hollow orbit]

Shit this is N64 not general I’m even more off topic than I thought

[topaz otter]

firing the chaingun on whats his faces arm shakes the entire table

robby is gonna allow us to talk about mdk or he sleeps with the fishes

tonite

[manic basin]

War Gods would be on topic, but somehow STILL less in the spirit of the core....

[hollow orbit]

I used to have what I think was the fastest AGP 3D accelerator they made because I couldn’t afford a new pc with pcie.

[topaz otter]

yeah I had the force feedback mounted to a plank of wood on an office chair, I was playing need for speed high stakes with it and every time you hit the cobblestone in that one track it was all I could do to hold on to it

[manic basin]

I loved that damned stick. I have the Pro now (6 bucks at goodwill)

But it's not the same.

[topaz otter]

keep in mind this thing is OLD, its gameport only and required windows 98

the power brick on it is tremendous

[manic basin]

Microsoft had some BRICKS.

[topaz otter]

playing interstate 76 with it when you lose a tire is amazing

[manic basin]

Kachunk kachunk kachunk

[hollow orbit]

I76 doesn’t really work with a racing wheel does it?

[topaz otter]

yes

[hollow orbit]

That’s another one I need to play…

[topaz otter]

i used to play it with the interact v3 racing wheel

it may also work with the microsoft force feedback wheel I dont know

i built an arcade machine and mounted the force feedback 2 to it

[tidal glade]

That is...wild

[topaz otter]

the pandemic was a time of great creativity lol

[dreamy kayak]

add one of these

[topaz otter]

I have actually seen one of these not too long ago

looked crappy

[dreamy kayak]

they are horribly uncomfortable to use

[elfin depot]

Gotta love the Reflex adapter, just plug and play!

[drowsy lantern]

Spa beaten:

[native mesa]

If the pixels don't cut my eyes I don't want it

[ember kindle]

Hello, I've been playing around with this core but have had trouble booting a lot of games that seem to be working for others (Mario 64, DK64, Rogue Squadron for example). I've updated to the latest test build and updated MiSTer to the latest unstable nighty (after trying the latest stable), but am still having issues. Is there some other step that I'm missing?

[orchid nimbus]

It’s that time of day again

[orchid nimbus]

Are you having fun with adding the N64 database?

[ember kindle]

No, but apparently I should be. Is there somewhere I can read up on that?

[orchid nimbus]

Hmmmmm

Good question

https://vampier.net/N64/

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/N64_ROM_Database

[grave island]

I found regression in latest build. WCW/NWO Revenge. All the names are blanked out and everyone has a red costume in the game now.

[ember kindle]

Thanks!

[orchid nimbus]

NP 🙂

[mortal panther]

You unlocked a prototype version of the game: CCCP Revenge

[orchid nimbus]

Sounds like an improvement

[grave island]

Is the clamped analog stick build going to become the default joystick mode in the future? Not sure for a reason to keep default at 128.

[orchid nimbus]

I’ve been to Arhus once … but never to @ember kindle 😉

[carmine kettle]

someone gotta added mario kart amped

[mellow terrace]

Is anyone else having trouble getting the patched version of SM64 to boot anymore???

I tried repatching with a clean rom, but still seem to get a black screen

[orchid nimbus]

We did

[mellow terrace]

I can boot other games like Zelda MM and Diddy Kong Racing

[orchid nimbus]

2.96a or something

[carmine kettle]

the one i have is not there,"5e417f79876b8acc73f93f80e4942435"

[orchid nimbus]

Is that on the first 4096 bytes?

[carmine kettle]

nope that a full md5

[orchid nimbus]

There you go

[carmine kettle]

lol

[vapid hawk]

how does the everdrive version of this work? their file seems to just have short alphanumeric codes for games

[jade bay]

Small graphical errors

[zinc dew]

There’s going to be a lot of those at the moment until the hardware is fully implemented. But thank you for the photo and bug report! 🍻

[timid torrent]

How can I map the Z button on my nso controller when the mister input map tool doesn’t have a Z option?

Also c buttons

[iron dove]

Map the ones you can (N64 stick as left stick), skip the rest
Then Map everything within the N64 core

[timid torrent]

How do I get to the mapping interface in the core? I can’t see it in the osd menu?

[iron dove]

open OSD, press right

'Define N64 Buttons'

[timid torrent]

thanks

i'm a big dummy

[topaz otter]

Vince sold the company to the chinese

[zealous hull]

i had to let bertha know

[topaz otter]

Mario kart has an ending screen!?

[drowsy lantern]

Yup

[topaz otter]

I thought you just race forever, like purgatory but with wheels

[split lynx]

woah spoilers! 🤣

[topaz otter]

Next your gonna tell me that life itself ends

[manic basin]

Sisyphus GT

[manic basin]

Which is slightly better for your liver than Prometheus GT, but somehow being an actual race car driver is worse. </ifyournotfirstyourelast>

[iron dove]

hell Ricky Bobby, I was high when I said that!

[marble cargo]

Mario Kart 64 is secretly an allegory to achieving nirvana.

[iron dove]

i thought double dash was the closest to having a shotgun mode

[zealous hull]

okay cool so animal forest just keeps the time from your last session saved statically, you don't have to set the time every boot with a starting year of 1999

[verbal cedar]

OOT MQ RDP bug? Did ganondorf’s face always gave white lines? It’s the scene after pulling the master sword

[zealous hull]

he's just crying tears of joy

those are the tears of the kingdom

[verbal cedar]

LMAO

All good it it’s due to unimplemtned feature, but if not it looks very easy to debug it at this scene. Also audio gets grumbled during the scene of getting the OOT

Besides that. Made it this fair perfectly, newest update fixed temple exits also

[dense wagon]

on OOT (the gamecube version, cant seem to get vanilla to work) i get a crash going into the Goron City... looks looks like its a 080000 (i think i got the number of zeros right) but yeah its a writing outside of memory error i believe

[mellow terrace]

Fixed my issue. Needed to manually update the N64 Database file. All good now

[manic basin]

I'm playing split screen Cruisin' World with my wife and we're having a BLAST. She had the game as a kid so she's pretty damned good. Love that game so much.

[zinc dew]

I get it, because the latest game is called Cruis’n Blast.

What’s better World or Exotica?

[kind solar]

does the updated driver for the nso controller match what the switch online is doing for n64?

it felt a little different to me but then i took some painkillers earlier 👀

[manic basin]

World, IMO.

[zinc dew]

Thank you! I’ll play it.

[verbal cedar]

Worked fine for me… hopefully this isn’t a regress

[wraith estuary]

I'm only getting 19 ocarinas in Majoras Mask now. Is this a regression or should I update my ram?

I'm just going to play Bug! instead. Better game on better system anyways.

[zinc dew]

Bug! Is king!!

[chilly ember]

Just got Ganon's castle left in OOT

[fallen sparrow]

Bug is relaxing

[quaint pewter]

I like Bug, too... and Bug Too.

[eternal ravine]

As did I, way back when Saturn was new

[manic basin]

OK, never played all the way through Cruisin' World before...it's just great all the way through except ||the last level on the moon can suck it. Stupid whalers and their harpoons. ||

Highly recommended for two player shenanigans.

[languid dune]

That rhyme.

[eternal ravine]

Do people like the unfiltered N64 graphics more than PSX 3D graphics

[manic basin]

Suessian

[languid dune]

I'm honestly really digging the N64 visuals with the texture filtering on, but without the AA. I also like PS1 visuals, but the wobbly surfaces can be distracting.

[eternal ravine]

Yeah filtering + no AA is interesting

Some of the skyboxes really need the blur

[chilly ember]

finished Zelda ocarina of time Gamecube version and it crashed before the credits

error i got

only crash i had all game tho 😛

[lone geyser]

Not completable

Nice job! Glad there are people playing through all these terrible games so the rest of us don't have to

[chilly ember]

Ocarina is great haha, glad I finished oot so I can play majora's Mask now that flash saving is working

[lone geyser]

Between this and the guy who did SM64, the rest of us will have a nearly bug-free core by the time the good game is in an optimal state

Every morning I wake up and turn on the soundtrack to Polaris SnoCross

||I've never played Polaris SnoCross, but Google says it's very forgettable and therefore perfect for this bit||

[shell cloak]

After trying 8bitdo kit and OG controller with Raphnet, I think I can honestly say I prefer the PS5 controller over both. Blasphemy I know…

Depending on the game the lack of octagate can get weird though

[gritty current]

How do you map the c buttons? 2nd joystick?

[shell cloak]

In Mario 64 I have right analog but with the triangle buttons also mapped to C-up for “first person view”. It’s not perfect. Idk it’s just low lag and comfortable in the hand

[chilly ember]

Audio stopped working in majora's mask randomly but played until the first clock tower fight and it soft locks when have a flashback to zelda teaching the song of time

[inner bronze]

Its been speculated that hang is tied to the audio stopping

[chilly ember]

That would make sense

[weary palm]

The GC version replaced the credits with an FMV for some reason. Perhaps that's why it crashes. There's a patch: #1096015979055697940 message

[chilly ember]

Ok yea I assume that's probably why, I'll have to try the patch

[inner bronze]

Whats the history behind the GC version. Is it based on some unreleased N64 version?

Because AFAIK it was only on one bonus disc for GC and never released again?

Seems a bit much effort

Oh right didnt Smash Bros include it as well?

[weary palm]

Making the N64 emulator for GameCube was the much bigger effort.

[inner bronze]

Crazy how fast you can develop an emulator if you have all documentation and pay a team to do it 🥲

[mild ether]

Maybe they just had a Robert.

[weary palm]

Yes, a guy named Stephen Lee

[chilly ember]

Tried the patch but my save file doesn't work with it

Tried Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker in latest build and it has some graphical issues. Works normally in core before

Oh weird, I tested it again in latest core and it looks normal

[oblique remnant]

The Gamecube port of majoras mask is inferior to the Oot, right? Heard it had a few bugs

[lament escarp]

It crashes randomly on gc

[oblique remnant]

Oh ok thats much more than a bug 😀

[weary palm]

OoT crashes on Wii VC too, but it's pretty rare.

[fallen sparrow]

Off topic, but I'm enjoying Crusin Blast on the Switch. It's a great Arcade racer

[fallen sparrow]

Damn, you're good!

[chilly ember]

I chipped away at it over the last week, was kinda slow tbh haha

[flint thunder]

What is your list of games that you would play with pleasure today, without the nostalgia and that have not been bested after by other games on next gen ?
My list :

• F zeroX (more straightforward than GX)
• majora’s mask
• mario 64
• doom 64

[remote hatch]

wave race 🙂

[weary palm]

@chilly ember care to share your save file?