Nintendo 64

[brisk drum]

Dang I missed it , been at an SFVI tournament all day

[manic basin]

Double taco Tuesday - 3.

[brisk drum]

Will have to watch when I get home

[zealous hull]

Edit it out before they see it, @cerulean elk

[cerulean elk]

that's when his mom runs 2 for 1 specials at the house of ill repute

[manic basin]

Hehehe

[brisk drum]

Beat everybody at vi won 35 bones

[cerulean elk]

would it kill fighting games to get some women involved lol. My view stats are .9% women. Those are rookie numbers

[manic basin]

My ex got second in the Soul Calibur tournament at the first PAX at Lanworx in Bellevue.

[zealous hull]

Are there women's divisions for any fighting game tournaments? I think that would be nice.

[cerulean elk]

Id try to get my wife to do one video a week on games she loves but...I know how those comments would come in and yeah...not gonna do it

I posted one photo of us together ONCE and it was pervert central lolol

[zealous hull]

I'm sorry the internet is a gross place

[safe robin]

so i checked again and now it works. one thing i found out from vampiers website, the md5 hashes you put in the _users.txt db can also be the hash of the full file, so that makes it easier to create the hash 😄

[cerulean elk]

maybe one day if the channel gets big enough I will try it and hire a moderator for her comments

[old vortex]

This is great, and definitely simplifies updating the core and database file. Something that I think is worth considering with the database file is that this updating method places it in /media/fat/games/N64, but if you load your games from anywhere else (USB drive, NAS, etc.) it won't be picked up. @wanton sun I'm not sure if this is a question for you in the core, or if this happens in MiSTer main, but would it be possible to separate looking for where N64-database.txt is from loading the games, so they don't have to be in the same directory?

[native mesa]

Why? Isn't gendered competition just for athletics where there really isn't a match? I don't think that's true for video games..

[cerulean elk]

well if it got more people involved maybe good? but other side of the coin its an e-sport so...maybe not good? I dont know. Good question

[languid dune]

You would hire a mod to mod your wife's comments!? How could you!?

j/k I know what you menat. 😅

[paper orchid]

So interesting, I went from S&P to the OoT GC ROM, and the error display just flat-out disappeared, had to verify it was still enabled

[cerulean elk]

I couldnt keep up lol

I can barely keep up with shit now

[knotty zealot]

double the episodes

[zealous hull]

I think the best example I can think of is Women's Chess.

It's not as if women are less capable, of course not.

But I think it's important to have that space.

Not a woman, of course. But just my thoughts.

[bronze tree]

Speed optimizations

[languid dune]

Just wait until your channel gets big enough and you have another contest. You'll have to worry about scammers in the comments trying to take advantage of your fans. Happened to Shmup Junkie earlier this year.

[cerulean elk]

already has happened

thats why winners get numbers they need to email me so I can verify. People have tried to spoof winners user names and avatars to trick me

but Ive caught it

[orchid nimbus]

For all you kids?

[cerulean elk]

if someone I dont know wins I make them email me, then I give them a number, then I made them comment that number on their initial entry. Only if it all matches do they get shipped the prize

[languid dune]

That's bad enough, but it was scammers scamming everyone in the comments telling them that they won the contest and to contact a dubious number or chat link. Gross people out there!

[manic basin]

Is that a Pete Holmes reference? If so it's very good.

[cerulean elk]

because I can see on my end if the comment originates from the same account or an alt spoof

[cerulean elk]

well if someone falls for that...oof. Next contest I will tell everyone in the vid how the winner is announced and mention no links in comments...good idea! Thanks for telling me 🙂

[languid dune]

Just finished the video, great stuff as always. Gotta shout out @manic basin for his amazing taco content.

[cerulean elk]

I didnt even know a taco was in Top Gear

[hollow rune]

Slight improvement to ogre battle

[zealous hull]

Well I'm finally playing Tooie now. 😁

[cerulean elk]

is it working yet or just freezing further into the intro?

[weary palm]

https://youtu.be/SL_x1rRg7mM

[cerulean elk]

is Tooie working? I thought it wasnt

but I cant keep up

[languid dune]

Not on my end.

[zealous hull]

Don't wanna bother them with a ping, but InsaneFriend and badsector pointed me toward a patch:
http://micro-64.com/database/patches/dx-btusc.zip

Did a quick search and found out you need to set the CIC to 6102 as well.

[hollow rune]

It freezes in the same place but sprites show up on N64 logo

[cerulean elk]

bummer. Good its going further but I just want to play (he says as the cart is like ten feet away)

[zealous hull]

@cerulean elk To be clear. I am moving around and playing it.

It's...rough.

But I'm in-game.

[native mesa]

Oot is looking good. That ugly grass was a bit much

[paper orchid]

Oh I just had a bad thought of something to test, in SM64

The A button challenge exploits the fact that the VC version doesn't handle something correctly with floating point, so there's some bobbing platforms in Bowser in the Fire Sea that eventually end up above the lava

It ends up saving...either 1 or 2 A presses on that version since it can be exploited IIRC

[zealous hull]

Full presses or half-presses? 😏

[native mesa]

Likely it will match og hardware

[paper orchid]

I believe full, since BitFS requires a press to jump

[paper orchid]

That's my expectation as well, but I might leave this running for a while to see what happens

[zealous hull]

@cerulean elk behold

[native mesa]

Was all math just rounded before fpus?

[languid dune]

That's some jailbait!

[zealous hull]

Yeah, epilepsy warning for those interested. Those bars flash. 😵‍💫

[hollow rune]

Road Rash 64 looks perfect

[languid dune]

As perfect as Road Rash 64 can be I guess. 😏

[hollow rune]

I mean it is not a looker and the personality from 2 is sucked completely away from it

[paper orchid]

Alright, so I have to wait about uhhh...8 hours maybe

At least that long

[hollow orbit]

No it was just wrong in different ways

[zealous hull]

Oh hey I just noticed we have an RTC option in the System Settings? I guess Robert is planning on implementing that?

Would be nice for Animal Crossing.

[hollow rune]

I feel like less games today are so aggressively ugly

[silent marten]

If there is enough space in the FPGA after everything else has been implemented maybe

[zealous hull]

I figured so. Just surprised to even see it as an option.

[silent marten]

Yeah I know what you mean

[surreal summit]

We really need to lobby Intel to make a drop in replacement for the DE10 Nano board with a bigger FPGA and 10bit UHD HDMI.

"Listen, I know you guys are one of the worlds largest chip manufacturers, but there are like 80 people that use this for classic gaming so get your priorities in order."

[weary beacon]

I seen a head line actually that intel just released two new FPGA's. No idea if they are good or not or what the LE/LU's are.

[hollow rune]

Sabrewolf stage in Killer Instinct Gold sounds a lot like DKC2 keep stages

[rich delta]

If you mean it had poor precision then kind of. We used fixed point math (lots of bit shifting of integers) and it worked out fine in terms of precision most of the time. We did quite convincing 2d physics systems and pseudo 3d 'mode 7' games fine. A bit if pain to use though - I dont miss it.

[uncut gyro]

Is the recommended NSO N64 controller available on Amazon? Can’t seem to find a proper version

[weary beacon]

If you want to support scalpers

[zealous hull]

You typically buy it from Nintendo directly.

You need to be an NSO member.

[cerulean elk]

gotta go through nintendo and have an account

what @zealous hull said lol

[languid dune]

They're actually still in stock!

[uncut gyro]

ugh. ridiculous bullshit from N, as usual.

[cerulean elk]

well in theory it should have kept scalping down

but apparently a lot of NSO members like to scalp

[vapid hawk]

yeah or just get one from ebay

you can only buy like 4 per nso account too so i don't even know how scalpers are getting many of them

[uncut gyro]

are there any other N64 style USB controllers that are known good?

[vapid hawk]

but the markup is less than signing up for nso

[zealous hull]

I personally enjoy my 8BitDo modded N64 controller. 🙂

It's not perfect, but it's good.

[weary beacon]

Didn't someone make a n64 fighting pad

[vapid hawk]

the retrobit tribute64 2.4g isn't bad

[cerulean elk]

Brawler 64 NSO is my jam

[surreal summit]

This is a "no-cut" mod right? Drop in board replacement like thier other mods?

[cerulean elk]

@brisk drum my comments section today is filled with taco chat because I asked people about their preferred taco bindle

[zealous hull]

Yep!

[viscid gate]

@bronze tree Thanks, still working well (using NSO and the full range driver)

[brisk drum]

I been busy wrecking peeps on SFVI

[zenith orchid]

N64 is such a party system I can't help but to think about netplay. Would it theoretically be possible to plug a network cable to a raspberry pi, and then the pi into the user port, and just have it feed inputs from a different player over a network via snac? heh they would need really low ping 😅

[compact skiff]

It gets to 85 at about half tilt

[silent marten]

I would love this to be a thing

[zenith orchid]

anyway, I'm guessing most of you are getting really good at MK64, how cool it would be to have a tournament

right??

[cold pollen]

how we gonna do that lol

[zenith orchid]

honestly, there's gotta be a pretty simple generic solution to send controller inputs over a network

[silent marten]

And smash remix 🙂

[zenith orchid]

oh shoot I need to get on that

[surreal summit]

I mean, do any other cores have an online play option?

[zenith orchid]

I've mostly been bouncing between MK64 and F-Zero X

[silent marten]

No unfortunately

[zenith orchid]

I mean, in theory you could do netplay with computer cores that are network enabled

[zealous hull]

That feels more like a software emulation thing to me anyway, tbh

[zenith orchid]

well, XBand was a thing

not for N64 though

[weary beacon]

doctor n64

[orchid nimbus]

updated the n64 json that my script uses - I'll make sure to guide people towards the new json to use

[zenith orchid]

so the script is obsolete now?

[orchid nimbus]

yup pretty much

[weary beacon]

Appreciated it though when we needed it.

[zenith orchid]

yeah it was really helpful

[orchid nimbus]

it will keep on working but the new solution is better 🙂

[n64_dev]
db_url = https://raw.githubusercontent.com/RobertPeip/Mister64/db/db.json.zip```

/media/fat/downloader.ini

this will take care of the database and core going forward

will put it in the _unstable map

I'll adjust the FAQ to reflect this change

[cerulean elk]

STOP LOOKING OVER MY SHOULDER

Monday 7:30 AM

[mild ether]

Calendar updated

[calm anvil]

is it better to get the 8BitDo Mod Kit or the NSO controllers?

[orchid nimbus]

my Brawler64 arrived today

[chilly ember]

I've had 8bitdo kit for the last day and I like it but I haven't tried a nso controller so I can't say if it's any better

[burnt phoenix]

Anyone else noticed input weirdness with Pokémon stadium menus? Everything else seems perfect input wise but it misses inputs. (NSO, wireless)

[weary beacon]

PS1 or PS2?

[burnt phoenix]

1 (could be 2 as well but I’m not 100% sure I noticed it in both)

[weary beacon]

I played a couple battles with the moveset+added pokemon hack and noticed no issues with the wife.

[bronze tree]

That is unexpected. Which controller?

[burnt phoenix]

Yeah the battles themselves are fine, but the main menu & the menu where it shows the island are pretty much unusable

[weary beacon]

I'll try again right now.

[compact skiff]

https://a.co/d/7Mwvppb

Without the modified MiSTer, it's pretty much a full square.

[weary beacon]

Appologize, but run update all and wel.... CHEATS!

soon as its done i'll update

ok, the gfx are blurry but the menus are working great for me.

[calm anvil]

well I just subbed to NSO for 1 month ($4) and bought 4 NSO N64 controllers.... here we go... ($200) but one and done lmao

are any of their other controllers worth buying?

[burnt phoenix]

Weird, I do sometimes get ghost inputs on other games - could be a deadzone thing & Pokémon Stadium is dealing with it badly

[cold pollen]

The SNES one is really nice but laggy

[weary beacon]

do you notice the screen scrolls when you use the dpad in the mister menu?

[weary beacon]

I loved their classic controllers for snes and nes, just needed the wii adapter to use them. Got the nes classic controller for 10$ at gamestop 🙂

[calm anvil]

yeah I got the SNES and NES classic controllers myself, mainly was wondering if the NSO versions are worth buying or not

I just snatched 4 of the N64 NSO ones just now

since I just subbed for 30 days of NSO to pick up the N64 ones, and didnt know if anything else was worth it or not

[weary beacon]

i would like to know. They claim it works wireless and wired. I was curious how wired worked.

[calm anvil]

😦

I assume the n64 ones arent laggy

[cold pollen]

they are

lol

I think all the Switch controllers are

[fallen sparrow]

Guys, I have a spare NSO membership slot left on my family plan. I have the higher tier, and it runs out in December.

If anyone wants me to add them please let me know.

[quaint rune]

MEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I use switch online for many things so it would get used

[fallen sparrow]

DM me your email associated with your switch. I'll add you now.

[weary beacon]

I remember having this white powder all over the inside of the analog controller. It wasn't cocaine. My favorite controller was the green one. Took less abuse over all.

[fallen sparrow]

I remember having white powder up my nose, but that was a different time.

[cold pollen]

thank you for being awesome

Now what game we all gonna play on Switch

[wise hemlock]

Tears of the Kingdom obviously

[weary beacon]

I can't actually play games on switch now. Emulators run them better all ready.

I'm gonna replay Zelda reawakening. With 60 fps and deblur. Like wow, almost like real clay animation.

[fallen sparrow]

Lol, I actually ran a mod chip in my OLED, as I wasn't using it much.
If I wanna play online, I have to borrow one from the kids.

[wise hemlock]

I have deblur on my NTSC-J with Tim Worthington RGB mod

It still looks soupy conpared to the output I have seen from this core so far

[cerulean elk]

Why do I feel like the backstory is some baby changing mishap involving baby powder

[fallen sparrow]

Nah, it was cocaine

[weary beacon]

Nice. Dump those roms for yourself. I should follow suit.

[cerulean elk]

Shit just keeps you awake. I like my sleep 🤣

[fallen sparrow]

I dumped all my carts

I've been tea total for over a decade, life can get boring lol

[cerulean elk]

If I wanted to stay awake with extra energy and have bad shits in the morning I’ll just pound a pot of coffee at 10 pm 😂

[fallen sparrow]

But I'm happy

[cerulean elk]

I basically never do drugs. Not like I haven’t tried them…but they either put me to sleep or make me feel like I’ll never go to sleep haha.

[fallen sparrow]

I just put on one of your vids, then I'm konked out in under a minute 😉😂

[wise hemlock]

Only idiots fall asleep at a time when they should be AWAKE

[fallen sparrow]

That's generally it

[weary beacon]

I can't wait for vote for legal Herb this novemeber in my state. Cures 99% of my problems. Plus I'm gonna make a real name for myself then. Instead of other people and states getting to legally make vids.

[wise hemlock]

How dare you bring me bad news Cherry Ninja

[cerulean elk]

Now weed REALLY puts me to sleep

[weary beacon]

It should, depressant. I'm ADHD and I need to tone that "" down lol

[cerulean elk]

5 minute countdown. I don’t care what the weed store says…”oh this one won’t make you tired. It’s a mellow high. You just have a good time”…five minutes later it’s like someone shot me with a tranquilizer dart that was meant to take down an elephant 🤣

[fallen sparrow]

😂

[weary beacon]

I would try something with More CBD then THC then. But yeah, who grows that?

[cerulean elk]

I can however tuck six beers, six shots and three cocktails into me in like three hours and walk away upright and lucid so…we all have our superpowers

[rose elbow]

funnily enough i get the opposite effect but no idea why. it's like the relaxed effect just makes it easier to stay up longer 🤷‍♂️

[cerulean elk]

(Maybe I did that Monday. Who knows 🤷🏻‍♂️)

[chilly ember]

when you can do both at the same time and walk away tho 😛

Finally beat the water temple in oot, worst part of the game done

[cerulean elk]

Really my biggest vice is animals. I am trying like hell to get my wife to let me get a baby raccoon 😂

[rose elbow]

i personally have a lot of nostalgia for the sega 3 button layout and theres not much options for that with 8bitdo/retrobit etc.

[fallen sparrow]

Right guys, time for some shut eye. Have a good/day night all 👍

[rose elbow]

night all, it's morning go time in australia. time for n64 :-)

rest well knowing there is always someone somewhere testing the n64 wip core :D

[cerulean elk]

Surprised you made it through the night with all those damn spiders out for blood

It’s shocking that whole country just isn’t corpses with spiders reigning supreme

[rose elbow]

most spiders i encounter are friendly nPCs

they just hang out and eat flies

[cerulean elk]

Too damn close. If you can see them they are lying in wait

[rose elbow]

i do have some horror stories from my old house growing up...

[cerulean elk]

(Full admission I am scared shitless of them)

[weary beacon]

Excuse me while I feed my face, Taco Saturday with sugar rush peach sauce. Oh yeah!

[cerulean elk]

I ate some Chinese food with full intentions of going back into my studio and knocking out two more voice overs but the Chinese food took that motivation and stomped on it

[rose elbow]

we had a cubby house in the backyard that got pretty neglected as we grew older. so picture like, a small wooden janky cubby house that's too small to stand upright properly in, and all the little nooks and crannies filled with what i was preeetty sure was red back spiders

[cerulean elk]

So what you are saying is an actual portal to hell existed on your property. Nice. Real nice 😆

[rose elbow]

i'm trying to figure out how to justify the "its not as bad as people make it out to be" sentiment here

[cerulean elk]

Give me the snakes. I’ll hang out with them all day long. But the spiders I’m good with

[rose elbow]

we have snakes too ..

we don't have giant bears tho i think that's kinda a win

[cerulean elk]

Chicago just has possums and gun violence

Sometimes a deer too

[rose elbow]

theres alot of animals i see in america where im like "glad we dont have that, glad we dont have that."

[cerulean elk]

We had a lot of bears where I grew up. Garbage hunters. Want those meat scraps

[rose elbow]

ya no thanks LOL

[chilly ember]

In canada there's the odd time a moose will wander into town lol

or a cougar

[rose elbow]

most of the time spiders just want to sit in a corner and eat flies

[cerulean elk]

Moose are the real killers

Kid I went to high school with charged by one in his car late at night. Ended up in the ER

They don’t run away. They run towards you

[chilly ember]

I wouldn't wanna get in the way of a moose

Bet the moose was fine too

[cerulean elk]

When I lived in Whistler you’d see the odd bear wandering through the village with his tracking tag on like the village dog

[rose elbow]

we do have lot of moths and flies and gross shit like that. i wonder if humidity climate helps that nasty shit

spiders better imo LOL

nothing worse than trying to go for a walk and having a fly fighting for its life trying to wiggle into your mouth

[knotty zealot]

that's what she said

[rose elbow]

ahaha

flies suck

[rose elbow]

far out

[hearty oar]

When I was young I was in the car with my mum when she hit a kangaroo, they love to just jump out onto the road in front of your car at dusk

Car was a write off, roos are solid as bricks

[deft tree]

my parents neighborhood is completely overrun with deer

its sketchy driving through there after dark

[rose elbow]

kangaroos are really weird animals

[eternal ravine]

@cerulean elk
Just got a Bluray of The Gate
Love the effects in that movie

[rose elbow]

wombats are cool though. they're like little gonk droids that like to just run into things

[cerulean elk]

Terrifying movie as a kid

[eternal ravine]

I like raccoons and mink

It's pretty great

[cerulean elk]

Summoning a portal to hell with a record then clay minions just come rolling up outta nowhere

[eternal ravine]

Also got Director's Cut of Little Shop, which is also great

[rose elbow]

https://f6y2v6d2.rocketcdn.me/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/EASTERN-grey-kangaroo-males-Fighting-230215p08klwmlowres.jpg

the arms in completely idle position using the tail to kick out an opponoent LOL

[eternal ravine]

I'll pass on Kangas, but Foxes are a fave

[rose elbow]

loool ye. gotta respect em they're just weird

[eternal ravine]

Would love to see them do a dropkick on a deserving human

[rose elbow]

that has definitely happened

[eternal ravine]

I wonder if you could teach them basic pro wrestling

Dropkick, tail drop
Suplex off the top

[manic basin]

Everything but the 'follow the script' part.

[rose elbow]

aha mighty boosh has definitely done that (boxing kangaroos)

[manic basin]

"Oh, he's disemboweled HHH! That's .... well, uh... "

[eternal ravine]

Can MiSTer play this masterpiece?

[manic basin]

I hope there's a special bit of code that self destructs if it tries.

[rose elbow]

i do know someone who'd be really happy with kangaroo arcade coming and has asked a few times if anyones working on it aha

[eternal ravine]

Kangaroos look like a T-Rex mated with a deer

You'd have to go to like Madagascar to find something weirder

[rose elbow]

ya thats interesting, how uniquely madagascar-y animals look like uniquely australian animals

[eternal ravine]

I want to visit so bad

[zinc dew]

Thanks, updated the Controller Info pin with a link to this! 👍

#1096015979055697940 message

[hearty oar]

hey, I probably missed it somewhere above, but how did you get mimi working? I can load the rom, but it looks like it doesn't accept input?

[candid copper]

I picked up a generic usb n64 controller on amazon and it seems that the analog stick is 100% sensitivity through the entire range. is that normal for n64 controllers?

[vapid hawk]

nope

you got one of the extemely bad ones where the analog stick isn't even analog sounds like

[compact depot]

Those controllers are worse than AIDS

[candid copper]

yeah that's what it seems like

[compact skiff]

Just out of curiosity, which one is it, so I avoid buying it in the future?

[candid copper]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08GLNQBW4?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details&th=1

reviews seemed decent too

actually controller test seems fine

[compact skiff]

I was actually looking at that one, but ended up getting the iNNext brand one. It has true analog, but it's overly sensitive.

[candid copper]

wonder if the games I've been trying are just overly sensitive

turok + wetrix

[zinc dew]

Mario 64 is a really good test

[manic basin]

Nice and solid.

[zinc dew]

that's great!

[candid copper]

mine looks very similiar

oh wait no mine is 127/-127 all around

it's progressive but the edges are all 127's/-127's

[hearty oar]

lmao, here is the best of my original, unmodified n64 pads

[chrome quest]

Really hope the anaolg range fix gets put into the main unstable soon. Could almost use update_all now

[manic basin]

That's still pretty good! I took apart the old stick assembly from one of my OEMs and it looked like Tony Montana had designated it a storehouse.

[candid copper]

there's a fix for this?

[manic basin]

It basically had a V at the top and the left side was all messed up.

I tossed the gears and bowl. I should have taken a picture. They were a mess.

[chrome quest]

Ya, it's in the second to last pinned comment. A different MiSTer file to use

Oh, just missed it was updated only a few hours ago even. Very grateful for all the updates!

[candid copper]

!! it works!

latest n64 core makes it so that the HUD and weapon selector shows up in Turok 😮

[chrome quest]

Reading back chat, was your issue not just the range capping at modern controller level, but also it was either 100% value or 0 before too?

[candid copper]

it was just that it was capping at 127/-127. it had a range between there, though it seemed to cap out to 127 before the full range of the stick was reached

[weary beacon]

Is there a reason no one else is using Controller Kensa-ki NUS-yo N Cassette (Japan) (Test Program).z64

[chrome quest]

Probably nothing can be done about the stick itself not giving good feedback for the edges, but glad it's improved it at least!

[candid copper]

yeah much better, thank you 🙂

[compact skiff]

Does it reach 85 before the stick reaches full tilt? That's the problem I'm having with the fixed MiSTer file.

[manic basin]

Honestly, probably because back when it required a savestate, it was made for the other one.

So now it's just habit.

I'll try out this one, though. Thanks!

[candid copper]

yeah quite a bit before

which I think is the controller itself

[weary beacon]

It looks nicer and I feel like it showed how out of wack forward was. I used that to tweak the rate and its pretty good now I feel.

[manic basin]

It doesn't give you the staged stick test, but it's really responsive.... nice to have another one!

[zinc dew]

I’ve used the new automated update process and it’s great. It’s the easiest way to get the latest builds - #1096015979055697940 message

[candid copper]

same

no issues

[hearty oar]

oof, this is easily my worst controller, original ice blue that came with my console

time to get some new parts I think...

[kind solar]

These graphics tho

[manic basin]

<perfection.jpeg>

[dusty tusk]

Those honestly both look pretty decent

[shell cloak]

My 8bitdo kit is doing 125 in all directions with latest stable. Did I miss a step somewhere? I thought someone said 8bitdo stick works out of the box

[manic basin]

With OEM, not their board.

I have no experience with the replacement wireless board in regards to the 'works out of the box' comment.

[kind solar]

You can easily tell who they are it’s just hilarious

[dusty tusk]

My new Airbnb has their TV in an obnoxious position, so no mister atm. Can someone check F-Zero X Expansion Kit on the new build?

[manic basin]

Seems good!

[shell cloak]

Unfortunately my Raphnet adapter + unmodified controller is giving me the same results! Annoying.

[dusty tusk]

Heck yeah.

[manic basin]

Dang. I'm using Reflex, and I tested directly with the SNAX build and both gave me between 79 and 81 on all extremes.

With the stock zimage_dtb and MiSTer main.

Is the Raphnet designed for PC?

Since PC ranges expect 128 they might scale it.

[hearty oar]

linux won't affect it unless you're using NSO controller

[shell cloak]

What’s the zimage_dtb used for?
And yeah for PC

[manic basin]

I know, but I say it because someone always asks.

[manic basin]

It's just the driver that has an update for NSO. Unrelated to this.

[hearty oar]

it's the linux kernel image, which has drivers for the various controllers

[shell cloak]

Might be something to mention if people are considering Raphnet. I bought it based on recommendation but it might not be a great option after all

[manic basin]

Once the dust settles, I'm sure there's going to be a solution since most people use sticks with those ranges.

But for now, there's the custom MiSTer build from Lemon.

[rose crypt]

does update_n64 automatically pull the correct unstable versions for NSO controller support or is that still manual?

just ordered two controllers last night

[hearty oar]

It’s still manual, however I’ve just today poked sorg (on Facebook, of all places…) to maybe pull a release for the Linux kernel, seeing as it’s been a while, so hopefully soon you won’t need to grab that manually at least

You’ll still want to grab the pinned unstable MiSTer main with controller range and sensitivity fix though

[cerulean elk]

Wish.com HHH and The Rock?

[cerulean elk]

This is why I’m telling people in comments who want a controller tutorial vid that it’s too early

[zealous hull]

I was surprised to hear you predict we may get TLB next month. But at this pace, maybe you're right.

[candid copper]

is there something that needs to be set for games to recognize the controller pak for savegames?

[zealous hull]

Unfortunately, controller pak support hasn't been implemented yet, I believe.

[cerulean elk]

It needs to be implemented. N64 has multiple ways to save games. Right now not all of those methodologies are implemented

[zinc dew]

Absolutely dominated, love F-Zero X!

[candid copper]

roger

[shrewd peak]

Excellent

[zealous hull]

May I ask what controller you're using?

[zinc dew]

NSO N64 controller via Bluetooth. It’s

[zealous hull]

Nice. I feel like F-Zero is a good game to test control "feel".

[deft tree]

@zinc dew you need to try out F-Zero X Climax

it adds all the GBA courses in

[cerulean elk]

For me it’s the quick turn sideways jump in Mario 64. That has such a unique feel to it and you know when it’s off

[deft tree]

chaining longjumps into backwards longjumps in mario 64 too

[amber saffron]

I could never figure out the backwards long jump thing

[chrome quest]

The larger range isn't really an issue. I've a Raphnet too, hoping it'll get the Paks to work, but regarding ranges, you'd want the 125odd level so you can use it on other things generally, like PSX core. There's a pinned alt MiSTer file that corrects the range for any modern controller. I think that Linux file for NSO also sets the range deliberately to the 125 level for that reason too

[zealous hull]

I can't see anything working with paks that isn't SNAC. Are other options valid? Genuine question.

[mortal panther]

Brawler 64 that finally arrived a couple days ago. Quite pleased with the results. The controller feels great... though the plastic is very smooth and a bit slick.

[shrewd peak]

maybe possible, seems like a lot of work

i wouldnt know though

[chrome quest]

Who can say yet. But Raphnet does get rumble to work on PSX core using a rumble Pak. It's a nice adapter. Gets all the various Paks to work on PC emulation.
Theoretically, may do the same on MiSTer, but I believe some changes would be of a higher level and require somebody knowledgeable to make edits at the Linux level. It's not on the core. Pretty sure it is open source, so maybe. There is a DIY version some people have made.
Rumble being a little lower level may just work? Depends how it's implemented

[zealous hull]

That's interesting! Wasn't aware. Thanks for the info.

[chrome quest]

FYI it rumbles on PSX, but at max level all the time. Shows it can work, and it's fair it doesn't quite know what to do with PSX signals. You've got separate Strong/Weak motors, versus the Rumble Pak single. And PSX can vary strength. I think Pak is one strength that varies by oscillation on/off so a bit different

[devout leaf]

Is the the newest? I’ve been gone a week and can’t wait to see the progress.

[cerulean elk]

Yes that’s all from the last 24 hours. I finished VO and uploaded it today at like 2 pm

And I forgot 007 so that’ll have to wait till next vid. I didn’t even remember to cut it into the video 😂

[zinc dew]

Holy shit, that’s awesome. Thanks for recommending it!

https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/1487/

[deft tree]

it's -very- good

[zinc dew]

Damn Wave Race 64 still looks great.

[mellow raft]

If 64DD support is added to the core, f-zero x expansion adds loads of content too

https://fzero.fandom.com/wiki/F-Zero_X_Expansion_Kit

[zinc dew]

I can’t wait for someone to make a MiSTer kun F-Zero race track lol.

[mellow raft]

Haha

They could with the expansion kit :3

[manic basin]

"It's simple. You just make a Diskun track and add ears..."

[orchid nimbus]

Setting up fiber internet at a friend

So I have been quiet the whole day

Didn’t even test a lot today

[dusty tusk]

Yeah F-Zero X is a great game to test stick drift, if you've got any at all it's nearly unplayable

Can't wait for the dreamcast core tbh

[languid dune]

Taking that surgeon general's warning to heart in the arcade!

[languid dune]

It doesn't count if you're playing novice Robby. 😏

[cerulean elk]

For fucks sake @zinc dew 🤣

[woeful grove]

[cerulean elk]

Robby is running a damned banana republic around here 🤣

[woeful grove]

That's fine as long as there is whipped cream

banana split republic

[cerulean elk]

I dunno ask Robby. He wears this. Easy to spot

[zinc dew]

I am so classy

[languid dune]

Robby going to get a whoop'n of cream.

[cerulean elk]

Class out the ass clearly

I’m going to bed. An epic qwezzest for 64 hours of sleep

[cerulean elk]

See all my favorite people tomorrow. And @zinc dew

[zinc dew]

[brisk drum]

Missed out on mad n64 stuff ..

Sorry I was busy being a champion

[cerulean elk]

We had tacos. For you. You missed them

[brisk drum]

All good G , got mesome Taco Bell with my tournament winnings

[languid dune]

A taco on wheels baby!

[cerulean elk]

Go read the comments. It’s all taco related. I had a poll

[hollow pebble]

What’s the problem with saying Quest 64?

[languid dune]

It's the forbidden fruit.

[brisk drum]

I ain’t know

[woeful grove]

the mod channel is like a graveyard for people's Quest64 dreams

[brisk drum]

Only because you won’t dare to dream

And embrace the suck ..

[woeful grove]

dreams are delicious

[hollow pebble]

I guess you just gotta be “Quest 64” levels of cool to say it.

[cerulean elk]

Yeah cause all the cool kids were clamoring for C tier RPGs in the 90s 🤣

[languid dune]

How did I become uncool both IRL and online...

[cerulean elk]

Wisconsin

[woeful grove]

touche

[languid dune]

A knife bacon, a knife in my back!

🔪

[hollow pebble]

Have you seen sales numbers for c-z tier games in the 90s? Seems like they were 😂

[cerulean elk]

I gave you guys credit for good bloody Mary’s. What more do you want?

[zinc dew]

Quest 64 coverage

[random portal]

I'm extremely surprised how nice N64 looks over component.

but for PS1 and Saturn, composite is still my go to

I can't point out anything on the current N64 core that I think would benefit from composite.

[cerulean elk]

See you all tomorrow. Futurama time

[hollow pebble]

Night dude

[zinc dew]

Bangaioh is playable up until you beat the first stage

Nice improvement

[languid dune]

I'm a little surprised it never received a translation patch since the translation work was already done in the Dreamcast version.

[zinc dew]

[modern sleet]

Fixed that for you, IMO, N64 looks pretty amazing on composite on MiSTer

[brisk drum]

Wisconsin rules!

[manic basin]

Uhhh. Yoshi....run.

[brisk drum]

Da fuq

[zealous hull]

Hidden Smash character

[manic basin]

"Smash" being the operative word here.

[random portal]

damnm why does my picture look washed out?

[brisk drum]

Cause of crt

[manic basin]

No camera catches good CRT footage...I mean, short of a calibrated film camera.

[brisk drum]

No big deal

[ebon oyster]

fyi, update_N64.sh script is busted because the latest database filename is spelled Database rather than DataBase.

[brisk drum]

We get the picture .. no pun intended..

[zealous hull]

some pun intended

[brisk drum]

Maybe a little

Ima have to check out the new build first thing tomorrow

[zealous hull]

By then it'll be too late.

[hearty oar]

lol, we really should just stick to lowercase for all the things...

[ebon oyster]

requires editing line 63 of the script to change the casing of the search term from DataBase to Database. < fyi @orchid nimbus

[hearty oar]

or just read those essential files with tolower...

[ebon oyster]

This would have been surfaced more clearly if set -e had been set at the start of the script.

[zealous hull]

I've never even seen the word database pascal cased.

[iron dove]

it's MiSTer, clearly it should be DataBAse

[ebon oyster]

Oh nice, Rayman 2 intro sequence finally shows the text...

[manic basin]

I'll wait for Vampier to respond, but I think the update_N64.sh has been deprecated in favor of the downloader INI JSON payload.

[ebon oyster]

Although it does look like the top/bottom edges of the font get truncated. Is this how it is in the original game, or is that a texture alignment bug?

[ebon oyster]

Ah... and sadly, the game now locks up right after the first scene. Step forward, step back 🙂

[brisk drum]

I am a champion

[orchid nimbus]

Yup - things changed

[compact skiff]

Does anyone have experience using the Brawler64 USB Edition? I see that it's a discontinued model and has lower reviews on Amazon than the wireless edition.

[modern sleet]

Not sure, I just ordered the one off their website

[ebon oyster]

Skybox and structures now showing in Doom 64 intro, although sprites still have red backgrounds rather than transparency.

[surreal summit]

I was able to get past without any issues. You have an error number?

[ebon oyster]

I've been using the NSO Bluetooth Brawler 64 w/ Mayflash MAGIC-S Ultimate, and while it mostly works, it every so often seems to totally lose connectivity for several seconds without the indicator lights in any way suggesting a loss of wireless signal. I'm wondering if my Switch in sleep mode is somehow waking up periodically and trying to pair with it or something.

[last scarab]

I bought raphnet n64 to usb v3 thinking it would work with mister, various emulators without some plug-in. Apparently only raphnet has access to the source code. Raphnet n64 rumble doesn't work unless he releases a custom plug in or driver. His Playstation adapters also don't support rumble without a custom driver.

[ebon oyster]

Where would I find an error number? The game just locked up with a short sound loop on a black screen.

[brisk drum]

UNSUBBED!

All of Wisconsin unsub !

Im gonna lobby my congressman to ban @cerulean elk/VGE

[hearty oar]

There was a pinned post in #help about using that controller in x-input mode, if you’ve got a regular BT receiver to try

#help message

[surreal summit]

You have to turn it on in the menu Error Overlay: ON

[ebon oyster]

I am using it in x-input mode.

[ebon oyster]

Good to know. I'll try it again.

[surreal summit]

I'm running through the intro again to see if I can reproduce it. Using unmodified No-Intro US rom.

[hearty oar]

Oh, in that case seems unlikely that the switch would be trying to pair with it, or even could in that mode

[ebon oyster]

I'm using the same rom afaik

[ebon oyster]

I checked anyway -- my Switch is totally powered off, not sleeping, anyway.

Apparently RetroFighters doesn't provide any firmware updates for any of their controllers? I hunted their web site and couldn't find anything about it.

[ebon oyster]

This time around it didn't lock up in that spot.

[surreal summit]

OK so this time I got E004000 > E084000 which I did not have before. I think I switch the resultion in the options from high to low last time.

[ebon oyster]

I didn't do anything differently this time, and the lock up was in a scripted cutscene, so there must be some amount of randomness in play.

[surreal summit]

Yeah, could be a RAM wonkiness.

[ebon oyster]

I frequently see hard locks in Mario 64 (LodgeNet + noface patch). Would the error codes from those be helpful?

[surreal summit]

My understanding is that the locking up in Mario 64 has a known origin. There was someone who posted a patch to fix it in this thread.

Switched to Low resolution in the Options before starting a new game this time and no error codes.

[wraith iron]

Under the new instructions from Vampier it says the core will be installed under Unstable, but i just ran it and it installed in the main cores folder

[manic basin]

I'll ping him, it's definitely set to _Console/N64_20230916.rbf in the script, so maybe the instructions just need to change. Good find!

[dense wagon]

nice the mutl-textures fixes the missing things in Zelda 😄

[iron dove]

yeah mario 64 has random crashes, there was the modified rom built from the decompilation thats meant to be more stable
#1096015979055697940 message

[ebon oyster]

The rate of progress on this core has just been startling. Hard to believe it's been less than a year and so many games are already running as much as they are.

[wraith iron]

Thanks!

[manic basin]

NP!

[ebon oyster]

I just got the Rayman 2 cutscene (right after the jailbreak slide) to lock up again. Error code is E004040.

[wanton sun]

the problem is that i have no idea how this is triggered. Also it's not clear which core did this change. So it's very hard to work on that

[surreal summit]

Maybe something expansion pack related? High resolution is an expansion pack enhancement for that game I believe and I have run through the intro multiple time with the game set to low res without generating any error codes. Actually through the first 5 levels.

[surreal summit]

NVM just got the lockup with the memory set to 4MByte so now I have no idea. E000040

[orchid nimbus]

thanks - I reprogrammed the json to use the other JSON and didn't have the time to test - I changed Database to DataBase as a lot of people will still use the update_N64 script - however it's supposed to be phased out - the FAQ has the new instructions for the new structure 🙂

[orchid nimbus]

why would you even mess with that?

[daring meteor]

It fixes pod racing, it makes sense

[cloud peak]

I’m happy Sin and punishment is working. This core is complete for me

Thank you Robert

I wish I could source a pvm for you in Germany

[surreal summit]

The in game setting or the memory setting? Some games have a high resolution mode that is only available with the Expansion Pak. Rayman 2 is one of them, I noticed that when I turned off the high resolution mode I got no error codes so I tried turning off the Expansion Pak to see if it is reproducible that way.

[orchid nimbus]

that makes sense

I had no idea 🙂

[surreal summit]

...and yeah, as said above Epidose 1 Racer is another game that has issues with its High Resolution (ie 480i) mode that are fixed by disabling the Expansion Pak or turning that mode off in the in game settings.

[orchid nimbus]

my god that brawler64 is horrible to setup - the instructions are totally wrong

hold paring button+A for Dinput

hold paring button+B for XInput

2 middle lights should be lit up and this means it's in paring mode

MiSTer only supports DInput

[daring meteor]

My xinput dinput switchable controller only works with xinput

On mister technically neither are supported

[manic basin]

I pulled a significant amount of my hair out on that as well. That little pamphlet is worthless.

The controller feels nice though.

[orchid nimbus]

@manic basin might be a good sidenote for the FAQ

[manic basin]

Good call!

[orchid nimbus]

anyway - behold! my brawler

[manic basin]

Sucks that we have to do a company's work for them.

I love it.

Try Star Soldier. It doesn't gate the top end so you fly wildly to the other side of the screen. It might just be the Aleck version, but it was wild.

[orchid nimbus]

this gave the hint that I needed

[manic basin]

Worthless.

Hehe.

[orchid nimbus]

it's still wrong 😄

[manic basin]

Yep. But it gets you pressing buttons. Also, that pairing button is sneakily small.

[orchid nimbus]

A: I bought a Brawler64 from RetroFighter - I can pair but it doesn't do anything B:It seems the instructions are written by misinformed hamsters. Hold the Pairing Button+A to switch to Dinput pairing mode. Pair as per usual instructions with the MiSTer and it will work.

[hearty oar]

@orchid nimbus is this pinned post in #help accurate? #help message

seems to imply that x-input is the way to go for MiSTer

[orchid nimbus]

this is why I have trust issues

WHAT!!!!!

Who the hell do I believe now

The website the piece of paper that came with it

Hahahaha

[ebon oyster]

That's what mine shows.

Yay for quality control?

[orchid nimbus]

yeah the misinformed hamster part is accurate on my website

[ebon oyster]

Nah, hamsters would do a better job. If there's one thing most humans excel at better than any species, it's spreading misinformation.

[orchid nimbus]

I checked the pins - nothing about the brawler64 there

ah well it's on the FAQ now

[hearty oar]

Very top pin/post I linked

[orchid nimbus]

oh in help

I never go there

[ebon oyster]

I mean, why would you?

[orchid nimbus]

I went there once - I still regret trying to help someone with correct information

[ebon oyster]

Sounds like Twitt... er, I mean, X.

[orchid nimbus]

it looks like that user finally f-ed off

good riddance

I mean - yes I can be sarcastic - but I still give correct information

anyway - heading to bed

I'm done for today - friend went over on AT&T fiber - poor installer was tripple booked and by the time he arrived at my friends house it was 5pm.

he was there till 9:30pm

then I had to setup IP passthough and the router (OPNSense)

that only took 5 minutes - but my god I felt bad for the installer

hooked up the fiber to a bad drop on the utility pole

drove almost a mile to the nearest hookup point and then could do it all over again with another drop

anyway - fiber is pretty sweet 360mbps up and down

[manic basin]

Best high school 'out of context' line ever.

[orchid nimbus]

...... dude!!

lol

😄 there

[ebon oyster]

Meanwhile I'm over here in one of the major tech areas of the USA but still stuck on f---g Comcast cable internet's abysmal asymmetric upload speeds.

[orchid nimbus]

to express my surprise

[manic basin]

Wave here (Astound now...) 1GB/d....20mb/u. It HURTS to have 20mb up.

[orchid nimbus]

@ebon oyster I live really close to disneyland... I'm on 300/10mbps Spectrum

welcome to HOA

[manic basin]

Oh no

[orchid nimbus]

well not the HOA's fault

AT&T doesn't want to invest in pulling fiber

[ebon oyster]

I live very close to Microsoft. I'm on 1Gbps/40Mbps Comcast (theoretically), but usually get more like 350Mbps/12Mbps.

[orchid nimbus]

those ping times though... about 5.5ms)

spectrum 13ms

on a good day

full graph

[ebon oyster]

My ping times between me and my brother in Houston are so variable and crazy most days that for any peer-to-peer gaming, I usually have to fire up PIA VPN to force my traffic to route through freaking Alaska (yes, the state) to somehow work around whatever Comcast backbone bottleneck exists between Seattle and Houston.

[orchid nimbus]

lol

[manic basin]

For a while Redmond was Fios only but they were abysmally slow. I was out at Eagle Rim near Bear Creek and we could get fiber....at 25/10. Granted, this was over a decade ago.

[ebon oyster]

Sammamish here

[orchid nimbus]

ok - I'm out - been up since 5am this morning when I uploaded the new core to my website

don't have to do that anymore 😄

[manic basin]

Vampier by nature

G'night!

[orchid nimbus]

yeah - I'm done

laterz

😄

[chilly ember]

Did a 2 player 20 turn mario party 2 space land game with my nephew and no issues

I won with dk

Practice run every game besides the chance games

[viscid gate]

It still tends to lock up, but if you turn on Debug Settings->Data Force WB you may get a bit more use before it does

[polar raft]

This isn't correct. A driver isn't required for rumble with the Raphnet N64 adapter. It doesn't work in the current MiSTer core as rumble support hasn't been added yet (for any controller), but it does work on MiSTer for PlayStation, menu rumble test, etc.

What you are referring to (requiring a plugin) is a different mode called direct mode, which also supports transfer pack, controller pack, etc. directly via raw commands. However, rumble still works fine without this.

[vagrant ivy]

yes the joystick clamping hasnt been done yet

[manic basin]

Check the pinned faq for some help getting a clamped build of MiSTer unstable. It does wonders.

[vagrant ivy]

to be honest I have never fealt a difference

[old iris]

Are you saying that this is a problem with the kernel itself? I thought it was a dual shock problem...

[vagrant ivy]

no its a clamping issue in Main Mister

the Dual shock is fine

[old iris]

and if I download the "mister" file from pinned messages and replace it, will it remain when updating or do I have to replace it every time?

[vagrant ivy]

it will be annihilated by Update all

[foggy stirrup]

My mayflash F103 usb adapter works now with clamped build of MiSTer. 🤘

[vagrant ivy]

I dont feel any difference

but then I never had a N64

[old iris]

but it seems to me that before this, the dual shock sticks were too sensitive

[vagrant ivy]

well I never had a N64 so no idea what its uspposed to feel like

[hearty oar]

It will for sure be too sensitive, you reach maximum values at 8566% iirc

But it also depends on the game as to how much of an impact it will have

If you are just playing a game by smashing the stick full tilt in any given direction you will obviously not notice any kind of difference

[vagrant ivy]

only play MK64

[old iris]

Well, in racing you can feel the difference very well

[vagrant ivy]

As I say I didnt feel it all

[wanton sun]

with 127 range some games will either overflow (up=down) or don't recognize it at all. One example is buck bumble

the issue with all that is that switching is a nightmare for the user. First, not everyone knows about that. So having a manual toggle is horrible to explain. Second, it would require 4 toggles in the core cause you can mix different controllers for multiplayer. Not to mention the ressource cost for a good approximation. The only real solution to me seems to be the autodetection (that will also detect pad swaps) in mister main.

[grave island]

What about Dualsense?

[wanton sun]

of course you can never make a circle or square shape work like a octagon, but at least the games can work with the ranges and it seems to work ok

[old iris]

I don't have it to check)

[hearty oar]

It’ll probably look different every time due to not having a gate

In game with the range clamping it should feel fine

Well not having an octagon gate I mean

[wanton sun]

sometimes an empty inventory makes you happy 🙂

[daring meteor]

Robert developing in Flash Speeds I see

[weary palm]

https://youtu.be/LfmrHTdXgK4

[wanton sun]

game complete?

(haha, not really)

[weary palm]

You're not that fast 😉

[chilly ember]

flash saving? 😮

i'm at the spirit temple on oot

dual texture was all that was needed for water temple

[wanton sun]

oak is very demanding...

[eternal ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/omw-running-roadrunner-crossfit-busy-gif-14821081

[daring meteor]

Now the only cartridge hardware remaining is RTC

[chilly ember]

Controller pak

But that is technically correct

[bronze tree]

what are the max X and Y values you get with default MiSTer? And do you really get a square with that controller?

[daring meteor]

Clearly next up will be RTC (/s)

[wanton sun]

controller pak will be so annoying as some games use two save types then

[daring meteor]

By 2 save types you mean internal and cpak?

[wanton sun]

cart save, e.g. eeprom + controller pak, yes

[daring meteor]

Ah yeah

It's a great thing that the core is in such a state that to many people it's the most important thing now haha

[hollow pebble]

We need Controller Pak because how else will we all be able to save our progress in Quest 64? 👀

[wanton sun]

personally i would prefer to have one .sav file for each game, so if it has eeprom and cpak, it would be combined. But i can already see the forks coming if i do that

[daring meteor]

By the way if anyone wants this for the coming hours

[fair stump]

👍 much easier than searching the database file

[wanton sun]

yes, would be good if some more games could be tested to save to flash. i only checked majoras mask and pokemon snap

[daring meteor]

Jet Force Gemini should boot rn but maybe I'll be surprised

[fair stump]

Man, I wake up way too early from a bad dream and I'm treated immediately to a new build 😅 I appreciate it

[daring meteor]

Best way to wake up: Wake up to see Majoras mask fully playable haha

[hollow pebble]

http://micro-64.com/database/gamesave.shtml

List of games with saves to test

[daring meteor]

It doesn't include the Japanese only games

[wanton sun]

Unfortunatly majoras mask still has audio issues and slowdown, at least in the town

[daring meteor]

The list I posted does include them

[hollow pebble]

Oh sorry I didn’t see that you posted a list

[fair stump]

Sike

[chilly ember]

That's the lodgenet version tho, right?

[fair stump]

I was using the old build cause I wasn't thinking

And address error after first textbox

It did save though

Should be vanilla paper mario

Jet Force Gemini doesn't seem to boot still

[vapid hawk]

i just realized, i guess on a real n64 you could have up to 4 controller paks connected

[fair stump]

NBA Courtside 2 saves and reloads

I just found that Tigger's Honey Hunt has minigames and the two difficulties are "Hard" and "Easy baby" 🤣

[wanton sun]

starcraft saving works

[timid torrent]

is there a guide somewhere to setting up the n64 nso controller mapping? I have it paired but A is B and C down brings up the OSD...

I'm using the kernel build from test-builds

[wanton sun]

is there really a need for that?

[dusty tusk]

Treating save pak like ps1 memory cards wouldn't work?

[vapid hawk]

erm. some multiplayer games like perfect dark and stuff you'd save individual player profiles to your controller paks and stuff

[wanton sun]

memory cards on psx arejust annoying to handle, please let us not make it that complicated

[wicked granite]

@wanton sun GT 64 (USA) still has an extremley low frame rate with the latest build. Do you have any idea what the cause might be?

[jade jetty]

If a game on the compat list acts the same, but you've retested on a more recent core version, is it fine to bump the version number? or is that discouraged

[chilly ember]

Got through kirby 64 without all the crystal shards, 100 % crystal shards has one last level tho and i'm just gonna download a save file and test that

[fair stump]

Tigger's Honey Hunt saves and loads

[wanton sun]

you completed the whole game? any crashs or other issues?

[vapid hawk]

having one controller pak only in port 1 probably covers 99.9% of cases. being able to put paks in the other pads is probably only nice to have tbh

[dusty tusk]

Can a single controller pak save all the ghosts for every map in Mario Kart?

[chilly ember]

No crashes and didn't notice any issues other than some graphical issues with ripple star

on world select

[vapid hawk]

how big are real controller paks? was there support for larger sizes?

maybe we could just have one giant controller pak for everything and not even have switching logic etc

[lament escarp]

Sooo... controller packs, yuv render and tlb are still left right? And debugging of course.

[wanton sun]

controller paks are standard size, games cannot use if they are larger

[vapid hawk]

ah

[wanton sun]

you could have page swapping with a larger one

[vapid hawk]

oh yeah i remember those janky 3rd party cards with the paging buttons and stuff

[wanton sun]

a single pak can only hold one ghost if i remember right...

[dusty tusk]

Well crap.

[vapid hawk]

nobodies ever romhacked mario kart to save ghosts to the cartridge save space?

[wanton sun]

i will probably start with just attaching cartsave+1cpak together in one .sav file. It can be split using tools, scripts, hex editor, whatever. 99% of the users won't do it anyway. This saves me pain and ressources

[vapid hawk]

100% fair i think

writing some python to crack that into other files is 5 minutes work if anyone cares

[daring meteor]

In bash its 2 seconds

Literally just an if condition than head and tail

[dusty tusk]

Bare minimum, have 4 tied to controller ports eventually. Victory lap, have a segmented mega pak that you can users swap between like savestates

[daring meteor]

Inb4 someone sets it up in main

[vapid hawk]

jeez dude don't tell the boss that or we'll lose all our buffer time

[wanton sun]

one per controller would also work, but then all save files with cpak are 96kbyte larger

[dusty tusk]

I think that's fair honestly

[vapid hawk]

oh no, if i play every existent n64 game i'll need like 8 extra megabytes

😛

[wanton sun]

ok ok 😅

[thick terrace]

whatever are you going to do?

[vapid hawk]

you could limit that to games that actually support 4p i suppose

if you wanted to be fussy about it

[dusty tusk]

I'd go with that and hope someone romhacks games with ghost data because swapping that many cards sounds awful

[wanton sun]

not too many options, at least not for saves. Saves will be messed up and users angry

[daring meteor]

Actually its 20 Megabytes

Gasp

[vapid hawk]

hah

[daring meteor]

What would we do without 20 megabytes

[vapid hawk]

i can't believe i was even close tbh

[daring meteor]

Also it doesn't count regions

If you play every single region of every single N64 game its different

[vapid hawk]

if you delete your qwest64 rom that should make plenty of space for saves

[dusty tusk]

But I think 4 controller paks tied to the save is good enough for most. Ghost memory pak swapping can be hashed out later

If at all

[wanton sun]

no one heard of any problems with games if all 4 controllers have a cpak?

[vapid hawk]

never heard of any, though its not like something you'd test commonly

you'd hope nintendo would of had that covered by their Q&A

worst case we might need an option to detach the cards from the ports? (will be needed anyway for rumble i think?)

[daring meteor]

Technically the option is already there

[wanton sun]

yes, there will probably be 4 toggles for the 4 ports for none/cpak/rpak

independent of the system settings. so even if you switch to rpak, the cpak will be saved with autosave if you switched to it ingame before

i want to have the saving as foolproof as possible

[vapid hawk]

possibly also only connect as many controller paks as there are controllers connected on the mister side?

idk if you can tell

[vagrant ivy]

your just going to create a better fool !

[wanton sun]

i don't know if the core knows how many controllers are there. This could be used in the PIF code easily by the status report to the game

but then, some might want to use a cpak from a controller not connected to mister currently

[vapid hawk]

yeah true that could be helpful sometimes

[wanton sun]

if we ever need less than 4 pads for some game for some reason, it should better be an option in osd then automatic

[vapid hawk]

yeah its less confusing that way

more explicit

[wanton sun]

no idea what happens for all the games if you e.g. reconnect bluetooth otherwise

[vapid hawk]

or if your bluetooth controller disconnects somehow mid-save!

yeah best kept an osd option 😄

i'm curious, on software emulators are they able to present a rumble pack and a controller pak simultaneously ?

so you don't have to swap them in games that use both

[daring meteor]

I recall needing to swap on software emulators

[viscid gate]

I think I’d read Bomberman 64 can use multiple controller paks for custom costume pieces in multiplayer? I’d never tried it back in the day.

[vapid hawk]

it was pretty neat for perfect dark, you had like a persistent profile with a k/d ratio etc and you could chose to save it on the controller pak so you could take it to a friends house for multiplayer

i want to say you could save your custom map setups and stuff on it too

[quaint pewter]

1Mbit FlashRAM
A few games used this rather fancy (and costly) save method.

Command & Conquer
Jet Force Gemini
Ken Griffey Jr's Slugfest
Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask, The
Megaman 64
NBA Courtside 2 featuring Kobe Bryant
Paper Mario
Pokemon Puzzle League
Pokemon Snap
Pokemon Stadium
Pokemon Stadium 2
Starcraft 64
Tigger's Honey Hunt
WWF: No Mercy

So all these now save? nice 🙂

I'm especially excited about Tigger. LOL

[daring meteor]

All of those, Animal Crossing, Derby Stallion 64, and Rockman Dash

Wait Rockman dash is just MM64?

[viscid gate]

Doubutsu Banchou proto works if you set save type to flash

[vapid hawk]

isn't that a gamecube game?

[daring meteor]

The core is so good, it plays gc games

[odd vector]

Any new games working with the new build? Jet force gemini?

[daring meteor]

No afaik (Maybe that proto) but Flash games save

[vapid hawk]

isn't JFG a TLB game? someone mentioned its not working earlier

[daring meteor]

It is

A flash game

But not a TLB game

Its like the only broken game that isn't a TLB game

[vapid hawk]

oh right

[daring meteor]

That, OOT, and some Wresling games

[vapid hawk]

everything else boots already?

thats insane

[daring meteor]

There's some other exceptions but AFAIK, every other US NTSC game works or is TLB

(E.g The English translation of Densha de go doesn't boot and isn't TLB)

[slate sundial]

appears fixed now, floors are looking great. they used a super low Res base texture and blurred the crap out of it as a kinda ambient colour map. then added the same thing atop it as a detail map. the result is really nice.

I think they did this to mask the tile repeating

[vapid hawk]

its actually really smartly done

it reminds me of the unreal tournment "detail textures"

[odd vector]

Thanks for the info 👍

[proud tundra]

@wanton sun Here are 3 screenshots from RR64 which show the shadow issue which replaced the blank areas of track when 20230916 was released. For me it looks like the inverse is occurring, but also a lack of alpha maybe? Let me know if there is a better way to help.

[weary beacon]

What features are still missing in the core's RDP?

[daring meteor]

YUV

Whatever this bug does in Ridge Racer

Whatever Doom's bug does

etc

[fallen sparrow]

does Golden eye work yet?

if so any particular version?

thanks

[vagrant ivy]

depends are you a Tier 100 patreon ?

[fallen sparrow]

most def

[vagrant ivy]

Then No !

you need to be Tier 1000

its a TLB game

and no TLB

[fallen sparrow]

thanks

I think I saw a screenshot somewhere and got excited

thanks Tim

[brisk edge]

It is, but it's very much just a quickly ported over N64 game, the prototype that got dumped is very close to what's on the GameCube, just a bit buggier

[daring meteor]

007 The world is not enough works tho

[brisk edge]

The poor man's goldeneye

Lol that's probably not fair, I've never played much of it

[vapid hawk]

nah thats about right 😛

[shrewd peak]

She softlocked me

[hot spoke]

Wind Waker confirmed running 😉

[daring meteor]

Link turned into a furry I see

[marble cargo]

I heard flash saving is implemented, so I want to test out the Pokémon Stadium games.

[chrome quest]

Another minor visual bug in Kirby 64, easy to check. The "Enemy Info" screen accessible from Options on the save file of the main menu once you start a game

Wispy Woods error codes unchanged

[native mesa]

Great work Robert. Hope you're having a good weekend

[native mesa]

That looks fun

[final walrus]

That's a DTV V1710CG right

[marble cargo]

Yup, the saving works in Pokémon Stadium 2.

[silent marten]

Has anyone tried Jet Force Gemini?

[native mesa]

What's one of those go for? 5000?

[hot spoke]

Yep, you are right

[hot spoke]

In Germany more like 400-800, sometimes including the original RGB input card

[final walrus]

yep that checks out, sold my last one for 600

now I got a BVM D20

paid 1400 for that... yikes

[final walrus]

what area in Germany are you from btw?

[hot spoke]

Great monitor. I opted to stay with JVC and I'm not sad about it. Both companies got great pro CRTs

[hot spoke]

Berlin

[final walrus]

oh sick, me too.

[native mesa]

That's the widescreen one? I've always wanted to try 240p shovel knight on one of those

[final walrus]

that's the D24. Had one of those too. But sold it for an OLED

[hot spoke]

Friedrichshain here

[cerulean elk]

Lolol

[final walrus]

Neukölln. I guess we should talk

[rose elbow]

Perfect Dark is the poor man's goldeneye / hot take

[hearty oar]

Perfect Dark is a better Goldeneye, he said, uncontroversially

[rose elbow]

ive not actually played it thru :P maybe soon

i just found the first couple of missions were instantly confusing and not as clear cut as just "shoot guys" and the performance didn't seem as tight

[hollow pebble]

Did you dream of Quest 64?

[mild ether]

Perfect Dark had shockingly little James Bond and Oddjob in it.

Unacceptable.

[zinc dew]

I definitely prefer Perfect Dark over Goldeneye and I say that as someone who worked on the Goldeneye remake lol

[hollow pebble]

Joanna Dark > James Bond

[cerulean elk]

I’d call that more a nightmare 🤣

[compact depot]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-down-gif-20569540

[mild ether]

Wait. What? Like the unreleased XBLA version or another?

[cerulean elk]

A nightmare of mediocracy

[brisk drum]

Perfect Fart

[mild ether]

Well officially unreleased anyway.

[brisk drum]

FPS GAMES ON THE N64 ARE IMPOSSIBLE TO CONTROL!

[zinc dew]

Nah the Wii/DS games

[hollow pebble]

What do you mean? The N64 controller is the pinnacle of 3D game control.

[cerulean elk]

Flash saving eh?

[mild ether]

The XBLA version is pretty good. It's unfortunate it never got a release on 360.

[rose elbow]

flash saving

ooh apparently that means Majoras mask

and pokemon snap

[cerulean elk]

Fun stuff

[brisk drum]

Im going back to bed

Peace out

[spare meadow]

KI Gold don’t get in game anymore. Crash when a character is selected.

[chrome quest]

I just got in game once (crash on "READY"), then got a character select crash. Error 000404 both times

[shadow scaffold]

Is TLOZ Ocarina of Time working?

Mine just loads a yellow line in the top corner.

[silent marten]

The GC ones do

[shadow scaffold]

I have the latest core and database

[brisk drum]

The core is already superior to any n64 software emulator out there ..

[zinc dew]

As a reminder, if you want to play the latest N64 build follow this pinned message’s instructions - #1096015979055697940 message

[silent marten]

Did anyone try Jet Force Gemini, I am out at the moment or I would have tested it already

[zinc dew]

I haven’t yet but once this coffee kicks in I can give it a shot

[silent marten]

Thanks Robby 🙂

I mean technically all that is left stopping some games from booting should be TLB

[quick arch]

It is still not work

[vagrant ivy]

Just be a Tier 100 patreon we have the finished core !

[shadow scaffold]

Thanks Fuzz

[silent marten]

Interesting I wonder if this has some random copy protection stopping it from booting, did you try the everdrive cracked version as well?

[silent marten]

You are most welcome 🙂

[zinc dew]

Yeah same here, no workie

[quick arch]

There is a patch to remove protection
http://micro-64.com/database/patches.shtml

but I didn't try it

[silent marten]

OK I have the cracked rom on my MiSTer so I can test it when I get home, I also need to crack Banjo Tooie

[quick arch]

Maybe it requires TBL

[silent marten]

I am not sure it is a TLB game or not, I thought it was just a Flash saving game

[fair stump]

If anyone with an English patched Animal Forest wants to, seeing resetti should be doable now

[daring meteor]

Jet Force Gemini doesn't require TLB at least to me

[silent marten]

I can try when I am home

[marble cargo]

Yesterday, people vouching that the Nintendo 64 was not possible on MiSTer.

Today, Mr. Resetti calling you a cheating piece of shit on the Nintendo 64 core.

[cerulean elk]

So seemingly no new games of note this core eh? Just saving.

[daring meteor]

Yeah, Robert made the prepperation for it when making SRAM

[marble cargo]

Yes, but the saving is pretty significant in making certain games more playable.

[daring meteor]

So the SRAM update made a lot of Flash game work

[vapid hawk]

majoras mask works a lot better today i think?

[cerulean elk]

Oh 100%. I was just wondering if something magically came to life that didn’t used to work

Plotting for Monday lol

[daring meteor]

We're at a point where the wide majority of nonworking games are due to TLB

[modest helm]

Can we get an option to remove controllers from the default 4P? The reason is that Star Fox 64 can’t start multiplayer unless all 4 players press start. That’s an issue if you want to just play 2P or 3P

[silent marten]

This will happen eventually 🙂

[marble cargo]

Anyway, playing though Pokémon Stadium 2 now, and outside of some graphic glitches is perfectly playable. I think you can 100% the game with no issues.

[zinc dew]

Or just have more friends!

@silent marten patched game didn’t work but it’s now got this sweet Dextrose intro lol

[cerulean elk]

Old demo scene and crack bump screens were always fun

[silent marten]

That is awesome Robby probably better than having the game playable 🙂

[zinc dew]

Did Banjo Tooie work before?

[silent marten]

With the everdrive crack it worked, does it work without now?

[zinc dew]

Oh lord I wouldn’t call this working lololol

Nah I’m using the cracked version

Wasn’t sure if it worked without it before

The bottom half of the bars are flashing

[silent marten]

Nah it just shows garbage

[cerulean elk]

That’s how it always worked. Banjo Threeie: Banjo Does Hard Time

[zinc dew]

Ok gotta take kids to church class, brb

[cerulean elk]

not sure if bathroom joke or actually taking kids to a class

[quick arch]

This hack works if you want more Banjo Kazooie game
https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/6398/

[cerulean elk]

these fan mods run deep

[quick arch]

This one starts but hangs shortly after entering in game

[brisk drum]

Quake 64 works now

[quaint pewter]

Mods share saves right, or do they have their own save file? I read something about OOT and Master Quest regarding this...?

Or is it that save data doesn't get cleared between rom loads?

[frigid dirge]

database

[quick arch]

Normally save file use the name rom so normally it will not happen

[chrome quest]

Noticed something potentially odd? Not so knowledgeable on output FPS. Noticed some PAL games like Kirby do 30 on PAL. Sure enough the intro caps at 50 vs the NTSC 50, but in gameplay both are 30. Should PAL be 25?

[hollow pebble]

That’s awfully close to the forbidden fruit…

https://tenor.com/view/skeptical-futurama-fry-hmmm-i-got-my-eyes-on-you-gif-17101711

[cerulean elk]

last I tried yesterday it was no go. Is this as of this morning?

[silent marten]

It started working yesterday but it crashes randomly

[cerulean elk]

ok so its the same that I saw. Thanks

things move so fast I can never be sure

[silent marten]

I know what you mean bro

[cerulean elk]

"you mean yesterdays core, or the core that came 12 hours later" 😆

[wanton sun]

funny, i have no idea why they do that, but didn't notice it yet. If you set to system to ntsc (pal60) you still have 30fps but faster music. So they really lock onto the 30

[silent marten]

Thanks for flash saving Robert 🙂

[wraith iron]

With the retirement of the script, will mister stable eventually catch up and replace the unstable version, or what’s the preferred approach?

[zinc dew]

LOL no I really am

[chrome quest]

That's pretty cool. PAL 50max, I guess 30 is possible then. I had assumed programmatically half value would be how it worked. Kirby's usually well optimized games alright!

[cerulean elk]

taking the kids to class sounds like bathroom time lol

[brisk drum]

It froze

[brisk drum]

Yep

It froze shortly after killing an enemy

[cerulean elk]

your attack was just too powerful

[wraith iron]

It could be displaying 25 at 30 speed, which would still be wrong. Could be something else

[zinc dew]

oh weird, I managed to play half of the first level just fine

In Quake 1

[wanton sun]

i'm not sure what is happening, but it cannot be just inverse? i mean, then the track would be dark where no palm trees are. I will look at it again when the more serious issues are resolved

[brisk drum]

I tested castlevania and that’s still a no go

Gonna just play some wcw vs nwo revenge.

[cerulean elk]

good thing is I know of some REALLY GOOD Ridge Racer games that run perfectly on ANOTHER core someone from around here made for MiSTer. Whats his name? Bob? I cant remember 😆

Yeah Bob. From Austria. He made the PS1 core. I wonder if Robert knows him? lol

[brisk drum]

No relation

Oktoberfest incoming y’all!

[cerulean elk]

saddest Oktoberfest of my life

[final knoll]

Did I imagine it back in 99.. was it ever possible to jump over a banana in Mario Kart?🍌

[cerulean elk]

no Oktoberfest is slinging gluten free beer. I should probably just give up at life

[silent marten]

If you are fast enough I am sure you can

[final knoll]

aha.. so its my old aged reactions that need polishing up !

[cerulean elk]

(looks at game)...is there lag? or did I just get old?

[final knoll]

It sucks to no longer be able to blame emulation lag for my crappy gameplay.

[silent marten]

Yeah, I think if you play 150cc then the CPU controlled racers will actually jump them

[wanton sun]

on 150cc, the cpu racers have 500cc when you are ahead...

[cerulean elk]

there is rubber banding and then there is catapulting

[silent marten]

Robert, what is the plans for next week? Or you not got one yet?

[wanton sun]

trying to get controller pak working in my emulator

i didn't implement it there yet, so i need to understand it first

[daring meteor]

Ahead of the emulator haha

[wanton sun]

not so simple like the other savetypes, that my emulator was already able to do

[zinc dew]

Hell yeah, brother!

[silent marten]

This makes sense

[cerulean elk]

is that going to bring games alive or just let us save? I cant remember having read so much of this channel now. Its all blending

[wanton sun]

but the good thing is: when the controller pak works, rumble is close

[vapid hawk]

i've got a controller pak if you need a test rom run or anything

[wanton sun]

will let you save only

[daring meteor]

If a game breaks without controller pak Nintendo immidietly rejects it haha

[cerulean elk]

bingo

[wanton sun]

but there are some games that could be very playable with that, so it's worth it

also ghosts in mario kart 🙂

[vapid hawk]

blueretro implements controller paks protocol i think too

opensource so you can read the code

[daring meteor]

Robert gonna describe any feature in terms of Mario Kart just so he could fullfill the 1 game by christmas thing

[silent marten]

I still think TLB will be very close to implementation by Xmas at this rate

[wanton sun]

there are plenty of things before

the whole big block of Video out: dither, dedither, AA, gamma, interpolation, ...

[zinc dew]

Dither and AA, hell yeah!

[wanton sun]

plenty of RDP fixed to be done

[silent marten]

Yeah I get that

[cerulean elk]

this is all very exciting conversation...but first coffee!

[wanton sun]

the difference is huge. Everyone can decide which one they want

[zinc dew]

Wow it looks so nice!!

[cerulean elk]

I am 1000% team right hand image but thats me

[elfin relic]

hello it's me, left hand image