Nintendo 64

[daring meteor]

CDi had an RTC

[weary palm]

Oh CDTV, don't think I've touched one of those. Weird controllers.

[daring meteor]

CDi is older than CDTV

[cinder pagoda]

Looks like there are some cuts for sure, but I have also read it’s kind of “Dark” in comparison. (Have no idea what that means) Either way, I’m jacked

[daring meteor]

wait

Or is it

[hollow rune]

OH definitely. I was considering playing it on Nintendon't, but the N64 version has way more appeal

[manic basin]

CDTV was April 91, CDi was December. But as Shig said, it's really a computer so the cdi counts "more" imo.

In the spirit of the question.

[cinder pagoda]

I had a CDi. It broke in a week. Only game I played was Escape from Cyber City. Didn’t even bother exchanging it.. refund please 🤣

However, would like a core to see what I didn’t miss

[thick terrace]

Nobody could possibly ever make 3do or the CD-I on the MiSTer! Nobody is smart enough to do it. It would never fit. I double-dog dare anyone to prove me wrong!

[hollow rune]

On the GameCube one some villagers are pretty mean

[cinder pagoda]

The only thing I wish the DE10 could do is offer enough for Dreamcast.

[thick terrace]

Certainly the 3do would fit if N64 does, right?

[hearty oar]

it would be neat, but the real dreamcast hardware is so accessible, easy to mod and easy to get amazing quality video out of

[cinder pagoda]

I never played that one. I still have a sealed copy and bought it on clearance for the free Memory card I obviously didn’t need

[hollow rune]

At that point though, isn't softeareemulation enough? Aren't they just PowerPCs and such?

[cinder pagoda]

Yes, but that’s one less device.

[manic basin]

That sucks!

[hollow rune]

i get that

[rich delta]

Ok so I get this is a lot slower but in software this function (the one called with a string) could be placed once in the final executable and everybody calls it. Are we saying this function effectively has to be inlined and so stamped everywhere (with a full unrolled loop inside). If so is the reason it needs to be inlined because of the physical cabling required to one shared instance and all that cabling would be impossible to handle thus the need to inline it? If my understanding is correct I can see why it would take more logic elements (its a bit like executable size). Is there any way to share local copies of the function as we might do when the compiler chooses to inline or not inside one compilation unit i.e one shared function copied into each .obj.

[zenith orchid]

I can't imagine how much it'll cost for just the fpga chip alone, that could fit a Dreamcast on it

https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/intel/5CGXFC7D7F27C8N/3879507

the cyclone v by itself is more expensive than the De-10 nano

if De-10 nano can't do a Nintendo DS, then I really can't imagine a console newer than the N64 fitting on the De-10 nano.

[timid torrent]

not only does the loop need to be unrolled, but it needs to be copied in a way that doesn't really make sense in software. Like, every instance of the loop has to be run at once in a single clock cycle. You can't share the ALU between instructions like you can on a CPU, you basically need one ALU per cache entry (though in this case, not a full ALU, just a comparator)

[cinder pagoda]

I’d pay 1k for it 🤓

[timid torrent]

big companies don't actually pay that price

that's got the digikey margin on it, which I have sometimes seen to be >100% (even 1000%)

if you buy direct from amd/intel (xilinx/altera) the price is a lot lower but there are minimum order quantities

and minimum means something like 5k-10k units

[weary beacon]

MK64 is not stable during the end of trophy ceremony, music goes bad and sometimes the game crash. Someone else here reported the same behavior. Thanks for your great work 😉

[zenith orchid]

true, though I think the real price is also comparable if not equal to the price of the De-10 nano kit. which goes to show that there probably won't be a better deal than that any time soon.

[dusty tusk]

Trying to figure out why English patch for Densha isn't working. Figured it might be the database txt having the wrong cic, but still didn't boot

[timid torrent]

I'm all but certain that Terasic gets subsidised chips from Intel to get students hooked. The whole mister thing is just a convenient capitalism-hack to get cheaper parts 😉

[dusty tusk]

Gamers really are a menace

[rich delta]

Ah got it - thanks - I hadnt appreciated also that it needs to be executed in the same clock cycle but then thats a complication that results from having to effectively inline the logic all over the place which I presume is due to wiring overhead. (I may well be adding 2 and 2 together and getting 5 here with my limited knowledge though)

[zenith orchid]

Yeah, the FPGA university program. There's really no other FPGA kit worth getting as a successor to DE-10 nano to my knowledge. So much cheaper to get a real dreamcast with a MODE

[timid torrent]

Yeah, I think you got it. The main thing to try to understand is that in a software program, lines are executed basically from top to bottom. In FPGA land, it is more like every single line in the program runs at once, at exactly the same time. It can be a bit mind bending the first time you try to imagine it.

[cinder pagoda]

I have a DC with GDEmu and DC Digital 2. After all the mods, ones in deep price wise Fan, Recaps etc

[timid torrent]

Propagation delay is one of the big things that separates ASIC from FPGA - in an ASIC you can put wires wherever you want, in an FPGA the wiring matrix is already there, and you just have to work with what you have

that's why a modern FPGA struggles with a ~100MHz processor from 25 years ago

[rich delta]

Although I know its linked to that I cant believe that the DE10 is a loss leader. They surely sell more of these to us retro gamers than they do to students/universities. They have means of student licences just as software does and I doubt Intel is in the mood/position to subsidize retro gamers. Sure itll be minimal profit but itll still be sold at profit surely?

[timid torrent]

I mean, MiSTer is a relatively new thing, and Terasic keeps increasing the price...

I don't think it is a loss leader for Terasic, but for Intel

I have a few Terasic boards, and they came with like 10 different brochures saying to buy parts from XYZ manufacturer and something along the lines of "thank you for sponsoring this board, company XYZ"

or at least at-cost for Intel

[zenith orchid]

I'd be surprised if retro gamers are a significant market for them at this point. I imagine every semester, each university that offers the FPGA program get hundreds of these

[rich delta]

Yes ok I shouldve been more specific: I cant believe the Cyclone V is being sold as a loss leader for Intel. I could well be wrong but Id imagine Pat Gelsinger wouldve knocked that on the head by now.

[timid torrent]

I have some knowledge about this specifically 😉 I've never seen a university buy them every semester. They just buy a pile up front and reuse

(sucks to be the later students)

[zenith orchid]

really? I thought students own their dev kits

[timid torrent]

none of the ones I have had dealings with do

[cinder pagoda]

You know what would be cool is if someone could RE the signal sent out from PS5 and implement it on MiSTer to be streamed to the new PS Portal

[zenith orchid]

ah okay

[timid torrent]

might be a country-to-country thing though, I am in AU

[zenith orchid]

yeah I was thinking that might have something to do with it too. in America every student needs to buy their own stuff to keep the money flowing

[rich delta]

I dont know I doubt universities would be getting students to buy de19 nanos every year. Id imagine theyd at most buy a batch to share among students and leave it at that. FPGAzumSpass alone has a 1K patreons and thats probably a tiny fraction (<1%) of Mister owners. Dont know itd be interesting to see the actual numbers.

[zenith orchid]

I'm almost positive that American universities require students to own their own dev kits unless they are unreasonably expensive even for universities

a single textbook could cost $150 in some campuses

[timid torrent]

That part is universal 😦

[zenith orchid]

ah, that's depressing

[rich delta]

Surely there are second hand book shops (DE10 nano shops 🤣) littered around these uni's? Surely not every student in the US has money to burn. If not Im coming over to set them up - make me some cash. 🤣

[elfin relic]

second hand textbooks are sort of on their way out here and there

unique codes required to access online materials are becoming a thing

[quasi storm]

Yawn Just got in... Oh, hey. Fog rolled in...

[weary palm]

https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/rochester-electronics-llc/EPXA10F1020C1/11557117

[zenith orchid]

There are definitely second hand bookshops, the point I was making was that De-10 nanos are similar in price to textbook. But I bet most students will keep them, maybe even for gaming 😂

[zenith orchid]

heh, what a beast that one is

[zenith orchid]

I finished mushroom cup and flower cup so far, no issues yet

[timid torrent]

Rochester are the scalpers of the electronics world, they buy the rights and remaining stock of EOL parts and then squeeze people like military customers who aren't able to recertify their equipment

[weary palm]

Oh

[timid torrent]

maybe this is what you are looking for? https://www.digikey.com.au/en/products/detail/amd/XCVU57P-3FSVK2892E/15908060

[daring meteor]

The Nvidia H100 looks really cheap, should I buy one

[weary palm]

2 and a half million logic elements is nice, but I don't like the lead time.

[timid torrent]

lead time is fine, but I won't settle for anything less than 2893 pins

[fallen sparrow]

@zinc dew I sent you a DM buddy

[wanton sun]

it's only required once in the fpga, so the space is not that bad, but still for the critical path every memory access has to go through it. This "a lot slower" part is the main issue here

[wanton sun]

ah this makes sense, the music has the same effect as in mario64. I didn't had a crash in over 20 ceremonies yet, but i can imagine that it can happen

[lament escarp]

Just a request: if you have to use some hack or cheat to get the tlb going when you implement it don't tell anyone for a week. Just to see if people even notice.

[inner bronze]

TLB: Imagine every memory operation has to go through a physical clerk who is an old lady who has to manually check which of the 32 doors you have to go through, and only she knows.

[native mesa]

If it can do naiomi it might be worth it

[inner bronze]

Little secret: in Europe that thing only costs 282 dollars.

🙃

[timid torrent]

Can you buy me one then? I'll pay double that

I do appreciate the advice 🙂 but I think he was referring to the FPGA above, and the fact that in Europe people use a comma to denote decimal places. So $282,000 is only $282 😉

[wanton sun]

digikey prices are not real .E.g. you can get the very large zynq ultrascale+ 19 there for 10k$+, but you can buy full boards with it for <5$k in single quantity and <3k$ in 100+ quantity

the prices are more like "ask us for the real price"

[timid torrent]

yes, we were discussing earlier, and also trying to decide whether DE-10 nano FPGA is a loss leader for Intel

[native mesa]

Is the TLB like a super version of the MMC chips on NES games?

[inner bronze]

A TLB is well understood, theres no problem in writing it

[wanton sun]

the tlb design is from NEC as it's a standard MIPS CPU. And yes, it's very well documented in the manual. But of course only how it works, not how it's implemented

[inner bronze]

There is no copyrighted or nintendo affiliated code

for the hardware, anyway

[timid torrent]

MMC is for changing between different memory chips, TLB is just a cache

[inner bronze]

Addressing the MMC is explicit. Virtual memory is implicit.

But other than that, similar superficially.

[timid torrent]

I thought that with virtual memory the CPU still has access to the entire physical address space, whereas bank switching blocks access to all but one bank

[inner bronze]

I did say superficially

[wanton sun]

i'm not aware that the original cpu design exists, but even if i would not touch it or even look at it. The emulation scene has come a very long way without leaks, it's not required

[brisk drum]

He has spoken !

[worn delta]

Based on other cores, do you think RTC support could take up a sizable amount of valuable space?

[inner bronze]

My personal guess: No, but the addition of many small features can lead to a thousand papercuts situation.

[hearty python]

Nice try 😂

TLB in BRAM ?

Or is it to small?

[odd vector]

What is the CPU Cache Delay for?

[hearty python]

Helps force to fix errors

[odd vector]

but what does it do? Does it help correct the timing?

[hearty oar]

it delays the CPU cache

[brisk drum]

I think that it slows down the rate of data the cache is able to access at any given point

[worn delta]

That was my thought as well, but good to get an expert opinion. Would be lovely to be able to play Animal Crossing on the core but will come down to space. The silver lining is anything that doesn't fit on the DE-10 Nano will be doable on Mister 2 whenever that comes along from Sorg.

[tulip coral]

hey all - has anyone managed to map the analogue sticks from a PS2 dualshock to the N64 stick / c buttons? its the only viable control pad i have atm to test with but its not working... seems only a single axis of either stick wants to map. any help much appreicated

[hearty python]

I had similar problems with other bt controller. A Joycon worked for me, but no z button 😁

[remote hatch]

I am still waiting for the NSO RetroFighter pad, for now I am using DS4 , for Mario Kart it's perfect 🙂

[hollow orbit]

Did @zinc dew get on Bluesky? https://bsky.app/profile/quest64official.bsky.social

[tulip coral]

i'm using it with a USB adaptor, maybe thats the issue

[mild ether]

MiSTer 2 mmm.

[brisk drum]

Yep having the same issue .

[tulip coral]

aah ok thanks - least its not just me

[brisk drum]

But that’s not gonna stop me from finishing daikatana today

[fair stump]

Test releases have been rapid, think they'll be slowing down as the more complex pieces have to be figured out?

[mild ether]

I like the bowl of Quest sixty four like they are gonna hand it out like candy corn on Halloween.

[fallen sparrow]

Nice snack bowl

[elfin relic]

I'd rather have the apples with razor blades

[tulip coral]

i feel N64 is a perfect fit for my MiSTer... btu severely lacking control optioons

[mild ether]

We should have a working game by Christmas if we are lucky.

[fair stump]

🤞

[cerulean elk]

Lolol

Playable by Christmas has become this channels meme

[native mesa]

DS3 is proving to be the best controller for mister. Which makes sense since its the best controller in general

[brisk drum]

When’s 3DO gonna be playable by Xmas ?

[native mesa]

It already is

But which christmas remains a mystery

[hearty python]

Feature complete in December sounds good 😌

[native mesa]

The year is 2030, Nintendo has subcontracted talented FPGA developers for their new line of 'classic' series

[mild ether]

My offer stands. I will donate a 3DO setup to anyone who will make a serious effort to making a core.

[native mesa]

I never played 3DO, but I accept. I will take the first 2 years to experience the full library which is important

[mild ether]

I am gonna need to see some references. Not sure we are hiring right now..

[native mesa]

Night Trap sounds fun

'Snow Job' also sounds... fun

[neat sierra]

“3DO: games you’ve played elsewhere but worse”

[hearty python]

Road rash seems good

[mild ether]

Not played anywhere else.

[native mesa]

Is this system just all softcore porn?

[worn delta]

Night Trap you can play on the Mega CD

[hearty python]

Is 3DO technical better than PS1?

[neat sierra]

Depends on your definition of porn

[raw oriole]

They misspelled her name on the cover? That's star attraction

[native mesa]

It's supposed to be tracy spoogins

[cerulean elk]

we had some odd games on 3DO

but we also got Killing Time so.....GOAT

[drowsy lantern]

No.

[cerulean elk]

It can be in certain aspects

its not pushing the same amount of polygons at the same speed but in hardware it does have some advantages to devs

[zealous hull]

Smaller userbase to disappoint. 😉

[covert bough]

From my limited knowledge of 3d0 its a lot of fmv type games. And lots of early crystal dynamics games not just gex

[drowsy lantern]

Like what?

[covert bough]

Crystal dynamics chose their name so their initials would be CD because that was the new technology at the time

[cerulean elk]

Killing Time

lol. Give me a min. Getting morning vid out. I will come back around to this

[scarlet prawn]

Anyone else see an issue with Mario 64 where it loads the Mario 64 tittle screen and Mario says "its a me Mario" then it just goes to a garbled screen on the top half of the image and freezes? Shows E00002 on the screen from start of the core.

[covert bough]

Crash n burn was their pack in launch title

[spring niche]

https://vampier.net/N64/

[daring meteor]

Everyone else

[cobalt junco]

@scarlet prawn you need to patch the rom with no face mod

check the getting games to work section in vampier's FAQ

[scarlet prawn]

Ah, thank you..

[final knoll]

is it possible we are living inside an FPGA?.

[quasi storm]

Let me know how it goes for you. I got the N64 colored one, and I couldn't get Bluetooth to work for the life of me. Ended up plugging it in...

[frail jolt]

Fell asleep early yesterday.... anything pork sells us top tier, I have never been let down by any addon products

Smax is zero latency because the controller talks DIRECTLY to the core..but it comes with some drawbacks... usually in the form of controller count limitation

Reflex is damn near zero latency, but since you are using the usb hub for this, you can max out your player number per system(my assumption, but you have to buy multiple reflex for more than 2 players)

I have smax and love it
I will probably buy reflex eventually once my next kiddo is born and life settles

[native mesa]

Nope nobody has seen this

[quasi storm]

Not in the months we have been thoroughly testing the core, starting with common games...

[inner bronze]

Reflex is open source. The code at least. Could build your own if you wanted.

[remote hatch]

did You try this ? #unstable-nightlies message

[quasi storm]

Eh, we shouldn't be mean... Welcome to the channel @scarlet prawn

[frail jolt]

I offer my ode if your setup is an fz 1

[quasi storm]

I'm such a tool...

[brisk drum]

It’s gonna happen

[mild ether]

Can be. I don't have an ode.

[quasi storm]

Where does it go?

[remote hatch]

linux folder

[frail jolt]

Fz 1 is the compatible model for my optical drive emulator

Altho. I don't even see 3do on the horizon .... jaguar will probably be the next drunken attempt, there is like 1 beta jag core someone could start with...but I never heard a peep about 3do....mostly cuz all the best 3do games found a home on the psx probablu

[mild ether]

Jaguar would be great too especially with CD.

3DO obviously superior although.

[weary palm]

Which games are considered must-plays on the Jag?

[mild ether]

Vid Grid.

[quasi storm]

What we really need is Philips CDi. I just can't handle not being able to play The Flowers of Robert Mapplethorpe on MiSTer.

[mild ether]

AVP

[hearty python]

Jotego has announced he will do the jaguar, but nothing more read about it

[brisk drum]

He better do cps3 first

[mortal panther]

Not to mention the best Zelda titles!

[brisk drum]

Or maybe finish the NGP core ..

[mild ether]

And ngp

[hearty python]

What is ngp?

[mild ether]

Neo Geo pocket

[brisk drum]

Yeah I’m pretty sure NGP is done but analog doesn’t want him to release it to open fpga because it would eat away at their adapter business

This all purely speculation on my part btw

[mortal panther]

...something nobody wanted him to work on instead of all the awesome arcade cores he has become known for.

[brisk drum]

I wanted NGP ain’t gonna lie ..

[mild ether]

NGP was great and really deserves a core release.

[mortal panther]

I don't disagree.

[brisk drum]

For those portable fighters and card fighters mostly

[raw oriole]

Jotego announces everything just to call dibs

[brisk drum]

But alas I may have to turn to software emulation .. time to bust out the ye ol modded Wii

[hearty python]

Jaguar got a really good emulation on PCs

[cerulean elk]

BigPEmu is legit a great time

[mild ether]

It does seem that way but I hate to speak negatively about his efforts since he gave me CPS2.

[hearty python]

It’s free also

[mortal panther]

Favorite arcade platform of all time.

...followed very closely by Neo Geo.

[hearty python]

Neo Geo is pure arcade 😁

[mild ether]

It's kinda like picking what kid you love more.

[mortal panther]

Oh, that's easy!

[orchid nimbus]

#spicy-off-topic

[sullen harbor]

Ares is apparently the best emulator for ngp

[quasi storm]

Still no luck. Just to be sure, were talking about this controller, right?

[brisk drum]

Noted

[lament escarp]

Is it bt or 2.4ghz wifi? Retrofighters has a lot 2.4ghz stuff

[remote hatch]

yes

[quasi storm]

Bluetooth

[remote hatch]

correct

[cerulean elk]

you got that in reverse

[mild ether]

Man they are both so good I cannot imagine a 90s without either.

[cerulean elk]

Neo Geo>CPS 2>CPS>PGM>Taito F3>CPS3

[quasi storm]

It will pair, but buttons don't register, even with the unstable ZImage

[remote hatch]

xinput , dinput mode ?

pro wired com is off ?

[mild ether]

If there are two cabinets I want more than any other in my collection it's CPS2 and a MVS. They are both iconic.

[orchid nimbus]

the retrobit has an NSO settings

[quasi storm]

Either one

[mortal panther]

I like the variety of the Neo Geo library better, but I prefer every aspect of the CPS-2 hardware and how it was utilized more... and the games it did have. That's just where I was at in the '90s.

[remote hatch]

its brawler retro fighters NSO

[remote hatch]

ok , I'll check it once I get it 🙂

[quasi storm]

Pro wired com? It's not in pro mode, if that is what you mean. It's in N64 mode

[quasi storm]

Good luck with it!

Meanwhile I'm connected wired, and it hasn't let me down yet.

[remote hatch]

if it will work only by wired connection I will survive it somehow hehe

I sit close to Mister 🙂

[cerulean elk]

That’s fair. It’s wrong but fair (I’m playing obv)

[hearty python]

Perhaps we should book a course for Robert to motivate him 😁

[mild ether]

Tractor loader bucket?

I just always called that a tractor.

Oh, B for backhoe.

[safe robin]

https://tenor.com/view/christmas-tree-gif-24774189

[oblique remnant]

Blast Corps 😀

[mild ether]

Guy needs a bulldozer.

[lean spruce]

I cant stop laughing at that gif 🤣

It just keeps going

[visual forge]

Is Quest 63,99999 playable yet?

Eg, can you save?

[drowsy lantern]

No. Controller Pak is not supported yet.

[visual forge]

How about Mario 64? Does it have eeprom save?

[daring meteor]

Yes

You need the No face edition

[visual forge]

I only have the no eyes edition

[hexed flax]

Where in the development roadmap does sram support fall in?

[visual forge]

It's been cut in favor of save state support

[hexed flax]

Aren’t there games that require sram to boot?

[drowsy lantern]

Whenever Robert feels like it.

[silent marten]

Yeah as Atomic said, whenever Robert wants to do it he will do it

[cerulean elk]

As long as he doesn’t add eyes for Mario

I’d like to maintain eyeless Mario

[silent marten]

When Robert can work out the cause for eyeless Mario you could ask him for a toggle 🙂

[wanton sun]

the good thing with the current situation is that there are still plenty of things to do, so i can just pick whatever i like 🙂

[cerulean elk]

Eyeless Mario toggle please. Mario must remain an enigma lol

[lean spruce]

I thought the eyeless mario was caused by the no-face patch 🙂

[bronze tree]

EYES: OFF

[hearty python]

No, the intro is skipping only to run the game

[mortal panther]

Eyes: Off/1/2/3

[silent marten]

Lol

[bronze tree]

for Pikachu

[hearty python]

Eye delay switch 😂

[night saddle]

cursed mario OSD option pls

[daring meteor]

Implement more eyes

Right now we only have 4 (On Kirby)

[wanton sun]

no, i will not do a april fool core where i mess up the texture wrapping so that you get 16 eyes!

[daring meteor]

Why not, perfect idea

[hearty python]

Pick something that would perfect dark do starting 😂

[cerulean elk]

So by April you mean next week? Lol

[daring meteor]

For future reference that's something called TLB

[trim seal]

The way you said that makes me think that's exactly what you're going to do.

[mortal panther]

Confirmed. Be on lookout for N64_20240401.rbf

[daring meteor]

Robert is quick, it will be called N64_20230401.rbf

[cerulean elk]

Just in reverse

[hollow pebble]

I mean, Halloween is around the corner and that concept fits… 👀

[marsh loom]

Anyone else here heard the rumors that MARSFPGA has just made a MAME core work on their platform and they pretending that all these roms are cycle accurate?

[worn delta]

Wrong chat for that, lets keep this on topic

[cerulean elk]

Oh boy

[broken viper]

Yea we are talking about n64 related eyeball pranks right now and it is vitally important business. Show some respect.

https://tenor.com/view/im-super-cereal-al-gore-south-park-s10e6-manbearpig-gif-20854895

[manic basin]

I wonder if there's a Pixies song based on this one, too....

[orchid nimbus]

#spicy-off-topic

[marsh loom]

Yeah wolf your only allowed to be off topic here if you and buddies with the mods. Guess they don’t like me cos I’m not here 24/7

[worn delta]

If you really want to talk about MARS then please do it in the fpga-platforms or off topic, but this is not the chat for it

[broken viper]

Although you could talk about how you think the n64 core would run on Mars. I think it was mentioned some slight cpu process juggling tricks might need to be done to get it working on MiSTer so perhaps Mars would be able to run it without needing to do that.

[marsh loom]

This is not a room to discuss the pixies or any songs for that matter. Please respect the rules that are inconsistently spread around depending on how liked you are.

[worn delta]

Zero MARS chat in here please, take it elsewhere

[cerulean elk]

Any song about eyes or faces that isn’t Billy Idol doesn’t matter to me

[orchid nimbus]

unless it's about the HEY LISTEN Pixie it's offtopic

[marsh loom]

Even asking people to stay on topic is off topic

[cerulean elk]

Oh boysie. I see where this is going. I’ll check back in an hour lol

[lean spruce]

bruh

[orchid nimbus]

that's it <@&806015468916703282>s you can all stop now

[raw oriole]

Oh good, I'll pop off and play DK64 on my actual console instead

Bazset, don't be a dick

[marsh loom]

Name calling is against the rules

[night saddle]

youve been on the server for a week and this is how you want to roll? please be respectful of moderators when asked not to do something. this is the only warning you'll get.

[hollow pebble]

LOL

Bye

[raw oriole]

My word.

[broken viper]

Don't be a dick is the only rule I'm pretty sure

[hollow pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/bill-hader-eating-popcorn-keith-morrison-dateline-snl-gif-25666169

[marsh loom]

You can be a dick as long as it’s on topic

[raw oriole]

You can be timed out for a day

[hollow pebble]

More patience than me that’s for sure.

[broken viper]

Anyways on the subject of HEY LISTEN did anyone ever make a mod that just tones that down? Like the no more crying yoshi's island mod?

[hollow pebble]

Blasphemy on both counts

[raw oriole]

Yes! There definitely was one, I remember being so happy to find it. That was back in early software emu days

[languid ore]

I want someone to change it to 'Yo!'

[manic basin]

I think you're missing the point. Specifically hot button hardware issues that cause disruption every time they're brought up != banter. It gets weird. They're just trying to keep those interactions out of here, especially while Robert is active.

[broken viper]

Bro I think you're talking to a dead man right now

[worn delta]

I think Animal Forest may be playable, It was freezing a few builds back and I'm currently making my way through the text heavy intro unsure what I am being asked and responding, trying to avoid getting stuck in a loop. I'm on the train now though!

[manic basin]

My dad?

[broken viper]

No, someone that got the hammer

[hollow pebble]

They’re not, this is exactly what they want. Troll 101.

[manic basin]

It is!

[raw oriole]

And much later, even Nintendo reduced Fi's chatback for the Switch release

[cerulean elk]

Nintendo has their “let us annoy you” era. Babies crying, fairies interrupting

But they put those into some of their best games ever made so I give it a pass

[raw oriole]

We have to take the rough with the smooth sometimes

[broken viper]

Nothing is perfect on all fronts

[raw oriole]

Early 3D console games particularly 😄

[cerulean elk]

Very ON topic I had an interesting comment on a vid; with TLD if that does cause speed issues due to LEs and implementation, is it theoretically possible to fork the core to potentially remove “bits” that aren’t required for those games to run. Basically free up overhead space.

The reality is I don’t know what goes into every game under the hood so…maybe? But it was an interesting question

[worn delta]

Yep, you can now get into play in Animal Forest, if you can navigate through the opening text screens 🙂

it has an E00820 and some pixel flickering, but running around 20fps

[cerulean elk]

My gut feeling on the forked concept was “probably not. My guess is not much to remove and still allow 1:1 functionality”

[viral swift]

Animal Forest looks really nice

Fullspeed and perfect audio

[raw oriole]

Yeah, many parts can't be removed - IO and hdmi being big ones 😄 But Robert was talking earlier about slicing stuff out to make space

[worn delta]

I wonder if the translation hack works

[cerulean elk]

Ahh I missed that

[raw oriole]

Up here

[orchid nimbus]

I wonder if the missing backgrounds in Dr Mario/Zelda MM/Yoshi's story are all related

[viral swift]

Thats the Translated version

[worn delta]

Oh nice

[cerulean elk]

Thx!

Answers that

[hollow pebble]

I wonder if the NES games work 🤔

[worn delta]

If it is like the Gamecube version, I know from experience you need the RTC, otherwise whenever you come back you find nothing has progressed. This is how I found out my battery in the N64 had died.

Brings me back to my question about how much space RTC support will take and if there will be room

[viral swift]

Yeah, no RTC Support yet

[broken viper]

Translation hacks are difficult to verify. I tested a bunch once and every single one of them booted the game on fpga cores so I marked them all as functional only for people to say every single one I said worked crashed later on.

[wanton sun]

let's see if you can spot the difference in todays build 🙂

(it's not the fps counter, haha)

[broken viper]

Number of computer players?

[worn delta]

exhaust fumes?

[drowsy lantern]

Weird colored pixels on the left are fixed

[daring meteor]

That's the only thing I can see haha

[remote hatch]

AA?

[drowsy lantern]

OH

Anti-aliasing!

[worn delta]

Some green lines along the left

[drowsy lantern]

Anti-aliasing is in, but adds green pixels on the left there.

[wanton sun]

not really AA, but kind of: blending of two nontransparent polygons

[cerulean elk]

Mario has stomach discomfort

[wanton sun]

look at the left border of the track

[drowsy lantern]

Isn't that AA tho? :/

[wanton sun]

or the wall that says luigi and the grass under it

[worn delta]

Is the green line meant to be there? Is that a bit of grass?

[wanton sun]

yes it's correct

[drowsy lantern]

Oh that's weird, because yeah in the distance you can see there's still no AA.

[worn delta]

Oh, no more rough edges

[remote hatch]

Nice!

[cerulean elk]

Fun stuff!

[wanton sun]

it's not the video out AA

it's a stage in the color blender

markun helped me a lot with figuring out how it works, it was quite a journey. The result might be a bit underwhelming for the work, but still, done is done 🙂

[orchid nimbus]

there seems to be a lot of blending going on on the n64

[cerulean elk]

I’m gonna have to do some CSI “enhance” editing lol

[worn delta]

As an aside what is "RDP combine mode"

[orchid nimbus]

thanks @bronze tree 🙂 I was wondering why you brought it up yesterday 😄

[bronze tree]

that was before we started looking into it 🙂

[raw oriole]

... there's a battery in the N64! Ahhhh nooooo now I need to get the screwdrivers out

[mortal panther]

Moral of the story: always assume an ulterior motive when someone asks something. 😏

[worn delta]

No-no! Only in the Animal Forest cart

Only game to have one and have an RTC on the cart

[raw oriole]

Oh thank you

[worn delta]

There is one in the 64DD though if you are lucky enough to have one

[raw oriole]

I wish!

[worn delta]

GCs all have dying/dead batteries though

[raw oriole]

I don't have Animal Forest either, unfortunately

[orchid nimbus]

I like DD

better music

more graphics

test builds 🙂

[vapid moat]

AA EFFECT IS ALREADY HERE?

[worn delta]

Nice, let us know when you have the new build up Vampier for the script 🙂

[orchid nimbus]

update_n64 is ready to run

[wanton sun]

mario64 castle wall

[drowsy lantern]

It's kind of crazy how many features the RDP had and how technically more advanced it was compared to the PSX, yet in the end produces a picture that most people find unfavorable.

[wanton sun]

so yes, the effect is not big. But great nontheless to have that finished and be sure that issues don't come in just from some blend mode missing

[worn delta]

A nice subtle improvement

[rocky spindle]

Yeah. Leaving the texture filtering off only lasted me about 9 seconds. It felt like I was playing an N32 instead.

[night saddle]

does an admirable job at early aa without blurring things much more

[rocky spindle]

Could potentially live without the AA when playing on a CRT though. Things look sharp, while letting the tube carry out it’s natural blend. 😍

[wanton sun]

it's doing a nice job on the grass line, but i fully understand if that goes unnoticed while playing the game

[rocky spindle]

Check out the clarity on the N. 🥰

[tidal zenith]

that is one fine looking N

[hearty python]

I thin Robert has already a plan b and c 😁

[orchid nimbus]

Mario Drowning is pretty graphic for a big N game

[rocky spindle]

I can see it being a bit of a trigger for some.

[brisk drum]

Sweet! New build to try out!

[vapid moat]

I've heard they based it on a real person recording

https://youtu.be/RAMiwcfmHr8

[orchid nimbus]

question - is that a mist layer or misaligned water effect?

[brisk drum]

I think it’s awesome because pretty much everything that boots and plays is gonna see a graphical improvement

And it’s one more step towards hardware accuracy

[zealous hull]

iirc, that's just the mist of the area

[vapid moat]

If it's on first star, it's the mist effect

Disappears after you get it

[nova grotto]

Is there any new game working ?

Or what did improve ?

[brisk drum]

AA , sharper edges on graphics

[manic basin]

AA on the left hand wall looks better to me. But I'm on mobile.

[zealous hull]

Is Robert going to put out another build today? Dear God. I hope he's getting enough rest. I sometimes struggle to focus on personal dev projects after my main dev job, some people are just built different, I suppose.

[brisk drum]

Build is already out

[manic basin]

Ahh, scrolled down...very cool!

[zealous hull]

Wow. Yep. Wild.

[marble cargo]

Jolly Roger Bay always had that subtle "haze" effect near the ground, so it looks normal to me.

[orchid nimbus]

thanks 🙂

I'm not familiar at all with the N64 library - and what I know is from ultraHLE

[wanton sun]

i don't work on wednesday, so i have more time to work. sounds weird, but is true 🙃

[zealous hull]

As long as you're happy, I'm happy. 🙂

[nova grotto]

I need a comparison video 😅

[brisk drum]

Just look at the screen shots posted above brehhh

[onyx minnow]

its thursday here, but i'm from the future so it's ok

[nova grotto]

My Mario 64 is crashing often does anyone have the same problem ?

[zealous hull]

That's a pretty well-known issue, I believe.

[orchid nimbus]

set cache delay 10

[manic basin]

G'day future or northern hemisphere future?

[orchid nimbus]

@nova grotto try that setting, less crashes

[viral swift]

some games (especially the dark ones) have some color banding ... this will be probably fixed, right?

[wanton sun]

if you like dithering, yes

but as dithering will mess with the whole image and makes it very hard to debug, i will add it late

especially, since you want to have the dedither function of the video out to make it go away again

[orchid nimbus]

I just realized that the penguin is faceless too!

[cerulean elk]

In the mushroom kingdom nobody is allowed to see (except everyone who can right now)

[drowsy lantern]

It's because all the eyes went to Banjo-Kazooie 😛

[nova grotto]

Thanks I'll try that setting

[manic basin]

And Kirby. Kirby asks you be not afraid.

[cerulean elk]

He’s the one true horror. An empty vessel capable of vast destruction. A true destroyer of worlds

Some say our universe is a simulation. Others say it’s all inside of a Kirby

[manic basin]

"'s a metaphor for capitalism, innit?" - Hobie Brown

I'm irrationally excited at the prospect of playing Kirbs on the core. Crotch eyes or not.

[cerulean elk]

It’s one of the games I showed on my “N64 on Steam Deck” vid both as an example of the emu running and also a “play this game”

Bomberman Hero levels of loved for me

I took a lot of heat as a kid from friends. “You are playing Kirby. That’s for kids. What about mortal Kombat”….🤣

[manic basin]

Kirby would dominate that tournament.

fr

[wanton sun]

was there ever another kirby where you could combine all abilities?

[zealous hull]

Not all abilties, no. Just a select few.

[cerulean elk]

It’s all flawless victories. Kirby ingests opponent at the moment they yell fight

[marble cargo]

Kirby Squeak Squad and Kirby Star Allies sort of had the ability to combine powers. Specifically you could give certain copy abilities elemental properties like fire or electricity.

[worn delta]

I am looking forward to finally playing Kirby and Yoshi, I never got carts of those two

[wanton sun]

oh a DS title, very interesting 🙂

[cerulean elk]

Plus based upon his rate of ingestion his stomach acid must be near to instantaneously corrosive and break down matter in mere seconds

(If you see a “Anatomy of Kirby” video show up on my channel this is the moment I got the idea Lolol)

Unless it’s not digestion at all but a small black hole and his mouth is the event horizon

[manic basin]

<sucks up Goro>

"pop, pop!"

Four arms would be unsettling on him.

[hollow rune]

Talked to my financial adviser about the viability of supporting @wanton sun 's Patreon. We both agreed, that it's an excellent investment.

The posts are really good

[cerulean elk]

@manic basin Based on the average character bust in MK I don’t want to see what grows out of Kirby if he eats a diff character

[cerulean elk]

I dunno who this panda is but I support them! The actual panda. Love it

[hollow rune]

I am just a panda. Born in D.C. Got sick of the hustle and bustle. Now I play retro video games.

[zealous hull]

Yeah, he could turn into something fucked up like having multiple eyes or something. Too scary to think about.

[cerulean elk]

We have a polar bear in my office. My wife’s from like 30 years ago. Might be cousins lol

[lavish umbra]

Anyone get a race in Snowboard Kids 2 to work? Seems to hang on a backup error

[lament escarp]

I just play retro video games without any excuse. 😄

[hexed knot]

Hmm, I was able to start one a few builds back. Will retry later today.

[weary palm]

Congrats on the G cup.

[cerulean elk]

The entire reason I even have a channel is because in my real life nobody I know plays retro games. Barely anyone plays modern. I was a fan without anyone to talk to. So I figured I’d honeypot people in 🤣

[inner bronze]

Kirby is almost literally a cosmic incarnation of wholesomeness. Kirby lore goes deep

[cerulean elk]

At a party “what have you been up to lately VGE”…”how much do you want to know about rare Japanese arcade boards that are basically extinct”…:crickets: 🤣🤣🤣

[lament escarp]

You can catch flys with honey, but even more with shit! Sorry, that was mean. 😄

[lavish umbra]

Getting this

[remote hatch]

Works fine

[inner bronze]

Void Termina + Green Greens

[cerulean elk]

Ooh is 2 working now?

[remote hatch]

Yes

[lavish umbra]

Try to start a Battle race

[cerulean elk]

Haha I know your joking. I love a good joke

[ocean lily]

the only unfavorable thing is trying to antialias 240p just makes things blurry- literally everything else the RDP does, players wished the PSX could do

[lavish umbra]

Hmmmmm

[steady basalt]

The N64 DD system itself have RTC iirc.

[remote hatch]

Batlle

[hexed knot]

Yeah, works for me too.

[hearty python]

Is rtc disabled on ndd when you play modules, if not perhaps this is a way to add it system conform?

[devout leaf]

Wow those screens look good.

At this point the update N64 script is a nightly thing lol

[lament escarp]

Robert is one day away from a weeklong daily streak.

[mortal panther]

Kirby is just a disguise

[fair stump]

Anyone have any guesses what the controller in the top right is trying to convey? Should be able to press start here

[devout leaf]

Press down and A

The menu is there but doesn’t show

It’s trying to access the controller pak

[worn delta]

It did, I am assuming there was a battery in there to keep the time for it

[fair stump]

I tried so many combos 😆

Thanks

[devout leaf]

No worries hope it worked lol

Down and A were the last two buttons I pressed so hopefully the previous ten weren’t crucial to that haha

[tulip coral]

Amazing! Is this something newly implemented then, not in current emulation?

[fair stump]

This game actually seems very playable. Just confusing to get past the one invisible screen

[lavish umbra]

Still no dice for me, not sure whats going on

[manic basin]

Requisite "do you have the latest db file?" question. I'm guessing you do.

[lavish umbra]

Yea just pulled from the wiki to make sure

[manic basin]

dang

[wanton sun]

not new, ares and angrylion also do it, but we needed to understand it and find a solution that fits well into the fpga as the solution they use would have been horrible for a FPGA

[manic basin]

Can you try another dump?

[lavish umbra]

Diddy Kong Racing wont boot for me either so something aint right

[fair stump]

Well this is technically playable 😅

[brisk edge]

Do you have the unstable MiSTer main file? If not the DB file won't load

[lavish umbra]

I do, just updated with the _N64 script for the first time as well

[manic basin]

We can't play Ready 2 Rumble until the Michael Buffer is implemented. /s

[lavish umbra]

But had unstable before that

[brisk edge]

I guess you can at least check in the menu if the settings are populating for each game, I know that's what kept me from running banjo the other day

[cerulean elk]

You are def ready to be a dad

[manic basin]

Did that already.

[cerulean elk]

How did I not know that? Or did I forget I knew that? Truth be told I forget more shit than I remember

[wanton sun]

you need to apply the no-no-face patch

[remote hatch]

Noooo

[orchid nimbus]

LOL

[remote hatch]

I like Mario with no eyes

[orchid nimbus]

@wanton sun 2nd build coming? 😄

[remote hatch]

Not for eyes !!!!

[lavish umbra]

That did it, its NOT auto setting what it needs to, changed save type to eeprom4 and it let me past

[manic basin]

I had them young, so they're out of the house already. Which is probably why it never came up.

[wanton sun]

it's not worth a seperate build, tomorrow

[orchid nimbus]

@cerulean elk hey hold production of your next bottom feeding video 😛

[cerulean elk]

I’m more of a bottom eater. Ask your mom

[orchid nimbus]

@cerulean elk 😄 lol

TMI

[oblique remnant]

you never know what else is improving 🙂

[wanton sun]

it's too embarassing to commit the change, so i need to hide it in more changes tomorrow, haha

[brisk edge]

Yeah if you load a game and none of the settings for CIC or savetype load then it's probably not loading the DB file, might want to manually check that the DB file is in the right spot and double check your MiSTer main file

[orchid nimbus]

@wanton sun no one ever looks at the line of code you adjusted

(I promise)

[quasi storm]

Hmm. In Diddy Kong Racing, It appears as if the grass texture is... Brighter compared to previous cores? Try adventure mode, the grass in the middle of the area... It's a lot harder to make out

[cerulean elk]

@orchid nimbus I’m gonna run a vid tomorrow or Friday. Fog, new games working, etc

[orchid nimbus]

@cerulean elk good - you don't want people to burn out on your videos

the enthausiams is there - but if they can't see big changes they probably don't care

[cerulean elk]

I’ll mention todays changes but they aren’t like the most spectacular visual examples for YT. ESP with compression. Those bits of edge in MK will go missing

[manic basin]

The algorithm demands sacrifice

[hexed knot]

I'm getting the same vibe as when my first commit message is "missed bracket", followed closely by "nvm", and then I just squash those commits real quick.

[storm void]

git diff HEAD~1

[cerulean elk]

That’s why it’s new visual effects and new games working but not smaller visual changes

[quasi storm]

Now that I think about it, it may be due to the incorrect blending in the older cores.

[cerulean elk]

It feeds like Kirby

[quasi storm]

Nevermind, guys 😆

[manic basin]

That's why 3rd edition rules state you can't feed Kirby the algorithm.

[oblique remnant]

it always had a brightened look to me

[verbal cedar]

They don’t —source we just gave the board back at the end

[cerulean elk]

That’s the real question; what needs more to feed on…Kirby or algorithm

[cerulean elk]

Core release notes are just “eye can see you”

[daring meteor]

I bet the change that fixes the eyes is like one line

[cerulean elk]

Eyes: enable / disable = enable” lol

Like an INI file

[manic basin]

bool eyes = terrifyChildren ? 0:1;

[quasi storm]

It just seems oversaturated now, like... I can't make it out.

[languid dune]

Still no Ogre Battle.

[quasi storm]

Error 420? Nice...

[manic basin]

How does it compare to the Saturn and PSX versions? I've never played the N64 version.

[languid dune]

It's a brand new game/sequel. The Saturn and PSX versions are just ports/remakes of the original SNES game.

[quasi storm]

Never played those versions, but it's a great continuation of the SNES game, if you've ever played that.

[lament escarp]

Gotta go for that week long streak huh?

[safe robin]

Yes

It's A, down, A

[oblique remnant]

you're right but diddy seems to have reflections on his hat now not sure if that's new 😄

[safe robin]

I played a few rounds yesterday

[cerulean elk]

You let me know when it works and ill make sure it gets in a video

[safe robin]

Down on the D-Pad I have to add!

[quasi storm]

Good. It's not just me.

[quasi storm]

I was looking for this... It's like you read my mind @orchid nimbus

[bronze tree]

Let's enjoy our last day with our faceless friend, gonna miss him

[rocky spindle]

Mind telling me what you do for a living? I bet you’re fucking minted if you’re half as good at your day job as you are at core development.

[languid dune]

Not seeing anything significant yet regarding actual compatibility in today's update. All games I've tested that crash or don't boot are still in the same state. Not surprising with today's update focusing on AA. I'll still test out more games, but it's looking like that's going to be the case for the most part.

[nova grotto]

Where can I see the list of things that are yet not implemented ?

[orchid nimbus]

@nova grotto https://vampier.net/N64/

it's a quick list

no details

@quasi storm I saw that question 😄 lol

the blue bar at the top

[quasi storm]

I found, I found it...

[orchid nimbus]

3ffff to make them all red

[hollow rune]

Madden 99 is playable 😄

[orchid nimbus]

ban request

[hollow rune]

Oh, did I step into something? I was just checking through the list of games not recently tested.

[quasi storm]

Woah... Is it really that bad?

[orchid nimbus]

I'm just pulling your leg

[languid dune]

We're just kidding. It's a sports sim! In a room full of nerds!

[cerulean elk]

Good info. Thanks!

[quasi storm]

Hey, sports sims are fine. I enjoy them alot more than going out to play for real 😆

[hasty kayak]

ISS is a great sports game 🙂 Don't be dissin my Sports games...

[hollow rune]

Sports are pretty nerdy though, especially baseball.

[hasty kayak]

Nah

I wouldn't say so.

[quasi storm]

AVGN said it best. To paraphrase, "We're all nerds."

[languid dune]

I'll admit, I actually own a copy of ISS and like it.

[hasty kayak]

ISS is fantastic on N64.

[fair stump]

There are some extremely nerdy NFL players out there 😄

[quasi storm]

What is ISS

[hasty kayak]

International Superstar Soccer

64

98

2000

[verbal cedar]

Isn’t this out of date? Some of those RDP fixes are done like AA, and I thought the ARGB was fixed yesterday

[quasi storm]

Was that an EU exclusive?

[hasty kayak]

No

Also released in US

[quasi storm]

Neat. I may have to check it out.

[hasty kayak]

Its a really good Soccer / Football game. Always liked it.

[languid dune]

Yeah, after testing more games (including Rush 2049), everything is the same on my end. You dodged a bullet this time!

[quasi storm]

Are there really three games? Which one is best?

[orchid nimbus]

you know - I'm not getting paid for this right?

wanna take over?

[quasi storm]

I'll just grab 2000. If it's anything like NASCAR, 2000 will be way better.

[verbal cedar]

My bad LMAO

[languid dune]

Shots fired!

[orchid nimbus]

I'll gladly hand it over

[verbal cedar]

I’ve been no-life-ing this thread for 3 days 😭

[quasi storm]

How DARE you not maintain your passion project!

[cerulean elk]

This is where I’d use a Neo from Matrix gif of Robby didn’t ruin gifs 🤣

[lavish umbra]

Got it all fixed, seems like my .ini was corrupt, when viewed on a pc is was all encrypted junk. Downloaded the latest one and all is well now. DKR now loads as well

[verbal cedar]

It’s cool I’m going to just ask the YouTube video guy to address it in the next video so start some beef

[lavish umbra]

A few others that didnt work yesterday do as well now, Mickeys Speedway USA for example

[orchid nimbus]

sounds like a good plan

[languid dune]

Almost as egregious as Robert not being finished with the core by now. No passion at all! ||I'm kidding of course!||

[daring meteor]

AA isn't done

[quasi storm]

Aaand, that enough N64 channel for me today...

Oh god. He heard you...

[wanton sun]

AA and ARGB correction are both still missing @verbal cedar

sorry, wrong reply 😦

[orchid nimbus]

hehehe 🙂

[hearty python]

Shame on you 😂

[quasi storm]

No, no... Leave it as is. It's better this way.

[devout leaf]

What’s the preview for the tomorrow build?

[orchid nimbus]

all eyes on Mario

[daring meteor]

What's ARGB correction, by the way?

[orchid nimbus]

it's the incorrect colors on what Robert has implemented today

red/green/blue dots where there should be none

AA is just interpolation between colors to smooth things over (this is a simplified explaination)

not sure if the A in ARGB stands for Alpha RGB

[quasi storm]

Got a chance to try 40 winks. I didn't know there was an N64 version. It blows me away that they just threw out the cinematics and remade them in engine. Take THAT, PlayStation...

[hearty python]

Yeah, I asked me if the sales has been better if n64 got a cd drive and not the zip thing

[wanton sun]

in gouraud shading you get a color for every pixel. But that's not good enough for SGI devs. If you have an edge that only covers the right part of the pixel, this color is slightly wrong, because the pixel is not completly covered, so you have to adjust the alpha and rgb colors of the gouraud shading slightly that it matches with the partly covered pixel!

[daring meteor]

Oooooh, is that the goroud subpixel shading you mentioned a couple of times?

[wanton sun]

yes

[daring meteor]

Got it

[cerulean elk]

I think I will save Mario for a diff video once he is rocking them peepers

[daring meteor]

The Eye update

[wanton sun]

compared to todays blend mode changes, the ARGB correction is like 10 times weaker in effect....i guess i have to do it at some point but noone will notice

[languid dune]

Mario getting his face will truly be a day to remember!

[orchid nimbus]

there is always someone who will claim they do

mostly the same person who compains about 1ms lag 😄

[cerulean elk]

N64, then Saturn, then capture a halloween special, then edit 2024 retrospectives...and now our tub backed up so THAT needs to get done

I went from "maybe I will go to the beach" to "ok heres the gameplan"

[hearty python]

I think no one has something against a better looking picture 😁

[daring meteor]

Honestly feels like we're getting done with major things hahaha

[quasi storm]

Dude, you can FEEL that.

[orchid nimbus]

"during my 6 months of gaming I have achieved sub-frame accuracy on my 240hz monitor"

[languid dune]

You dodged that first bullet only for the second one to get you right in the nuts.

[devout leaf]

I had ten mins and a dream

[orchid nimbus]

........ wtf lol

[sly wasp]

would require more logic units than are available

[cerulean elk]

haha I always planned on editing. backed up tub was NOT in the cards

[daring meteor]

50hz or bust

[quasi storm]

That's what happens when you waffle stomp instead of going to the bathroom in the middle of a shower.

[devout leaf]

Your comment made me think of the album All Eyes on Me by 2pac so I did a mashup no one wants

[native mesa]

Does anyone have any of them AA screenshots? I'm at work

[mortal panther]

For Mario's Eyes Only

[cerulean elk]

condo building from 1890s. Nothing ever truly works properly. Just "enough to not need to fix it today"

and today the tub went into the second category of "fuck. I cant put this off" lol

[quasi storm]

I imagine the drain snake is gonna pull up something...magical.

[cerulean elk]

my wife has the longest, curliest hair in the midwest. You do the math

[quasi storm]

Just don't accidentally rip the curtains from the apartment bathroom next door.

[orchid nimbus]

I don't know much music by 2pac

[quasi storm]

Like I said... 😆

[cerulean elk]

sweet sweet Superman 64 fog. The perfect example of fog and also a joke in the making

[cerulean elk]

clump will probably have teeth growing in it

[native mesa]

Does the new AA blend mode effect performance when toggled?

Or do we still need modfied ROMs set to ignore it for performance gains

[devout leaf]

No worries. Just know my joke was really really good haha

Even if it was offtopic

[orchid nimbus]

it was ontopic it had mario and eyes in it

I'm not the offtopic police

[cerulean elk]

lol I am talking about editing N64 footage and also drain clogs so....you get what you get here!

[desert crow]

did he say what fixed mario's eyes? that was a strange bug

[daring meteor]

When is 2pac support coming?

[cerulean elk]

He dead

[daring meteor]

After controller pac?

Is 2pac like transfer pac and controller pac in one?

[sly wasp]

Not true. Even the developer of the N64 core finds it favorable, not to mention countless people here.

[lone geyser]

No but he said it was embarrassing enough that he's saving it for tomorrow's build so he can hide the commit with other changes

[desert crow]

i did see that 👀

[manic basin]

Mario has eyes on YOU!

[gloomy cape]

You can get this to work my changing the mode. It’s either hold down - and start for 3 seconds, or b and the pairing button. You are looking for the top and bottom blue LEDs to light up and you can map it. Rumble works too.

[devout leaf]

Perfect way to celebrate is with a new Snax build

[vagrant ivy]

he forgot to use the include #include "MariosEyes.hpp"

[quasi storm]

I may have to try that.

[devout leaf]

Lasik

Any big changes with the build today? I'm stuck in meetings and saw the Snowboard Kids pics

[cerulean elk]

three mile island Pikachu

[manic basin]

Mostly just visual polish

PikaShouldn'tBe

[brisk drum]

Eyes got fixed!!

That’s so pimp

[remote hatch]

It's a tragedy

[brisk drum]

Ahh don’t worry I’m sure Robert will leave it as a toggle option

[remote hatch]

Ufff i hope so!

[safe robin]

The build that fixes them gets out tomorrow right?

[brisk drum]

https://tenor.com/view/wide-eyes-dragons-dogma-angry-red-eyes-made-gif-18258012

[carmine kettle]

next year or so

[brisk drum]

Oui

[native mesa]

Which means we're guaranteed a tomorrow build!

[brisk drum]

Giveth us all our daily build

[native mesa]

I bet it's SRAM

Since dithering and deditther hes saving for last

[drowsy lantern]

Oh I personally find it favorable, especially considering how the devs knew the textures were going to be filtered and so didn't shy away from using very low-quality textures for sky-boxes and whatnot. But it's true that some types of games look less realistic/gritty as on the PSX, for example.

[native mesa]

and TLP he's pondering

[brisk drum]

I bet it’s a new texture mode implementation that will allow me to finally play wcw vs nwo revenge

[cerulean elk]

@languid dune

[brisk drum]

Steam deck pics ?

[carmine kettle]

yup

[native mesa]

That's true there are fringe texture modes

[cerulean elk]

eh?

[brisk drum]

Just ducking with ya ,

[kind nimbus]

Has anyone got 1080 to work?

[brisk drum]

Not yet , but haven’t tested the latest build yet

[cerulean elk]

negative

doing all this editing its V interesting just what games will output what image. Some are a 1.00 scale in the timeline, others are 1.07/1.1 or 1.15. But its consistent across those four scales on a constrained X/Y

[drowsy lantern]

So what are the missing things that would make the most difference on the core right now, excluding TLB?

• Sram
• Whatever is causing so many games to not boot.
• Controller Pak
• Missing texture modes
• Whatever bug is causing games to randomly crash.
• Rumble

That it?

[orchid nimbus]

time

[last scarab]

marios best album

[cerulean elk]

Mario Day and the Time

[brisk drum]

Whatever Robert throws our way I’m sure it’s gonna make us all like it’s Xmas tomorrow

[cerulean elk]

someone put Mario on this for me lol

[daring meteor]

Flash

[safe robin]

Mario 64 running without Rom patch and without crashes would've be a big step

[brisk drum]

Jungle love!

[cerulean elk]

I am glad someone knows Morris Day

[verbal cedar]

😔 that ones on me King

[cerulean elk]

I thought it might be too deep of a reference

[brisk drum]

You can always count on the taco to be familiar with your references

[woven olive]

Morris Day is a less obscure reference than that ICP Superballs one you snuck into a video last week

[cerulean elk]

I snuck in what now? lol

I do not remember mentioning Insane Clown Posse?

[vagrant ivy]

isnt that your family ?

[woven olive]

Maybe it wasn't you, lol. One of you soothing voice youtubers snuck one in.

[cerulean elk]

haha someone else

[desert nest]

this is absolute gold

[orchid nimbus]

#spicy-off-topic it's a toxic place

[kind nimbus]

I have weird control binding issues in the core, curious if it's just me....

It seems like left/right double tap and may have some overlapping function with another button

Using NG controller in Wayne Gretzky's I can only view every other team because left/right on d pad double taps

Using Dualsense in Shadow of Empire and Rainbow Six, it's like the up/down/right/left are sharing inputs with another button that is changing camera view.

[woven olive]

It was the You Can Beat Video Games guy. 😂 my bad.

[cerulean elk]

It was a Macho Man reference heavy N64 vid yesterday

I will see what I can hide in this video

[last scarab]

Any love for Dire Dire Docks?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zqa2mgjbOIM

[weary palm]

No, but the music in Jolly Roger Bay is nice 🙂

[cerulean elk]

doing VO in a min. Someone name a funny reference and I will try to fit it in

you have A MINUTE

[fair stump]

HR Pufnstuf

[cerulean elk]

done

how...I dont know

[compact depot]

Aside of AA, any improvements on any game with latest core?

Maybe OoT works now? 🤔

[fair stump]

I checked a bunch and haven't really seen any changes

[remote hatch]

Only AA

I mean AA is a great deal

But there are no more changes today

Tomorrow Mario's eyes will appear, that will be the end, my son will stop being afraid of eyeless Mario and take over MiSTer

Yeah haha

[orchid nimbus]

just so that we're all on the same page - faceless Mario patch does not patch out the face of Mario but just the intro floating head

that's it... that's all

[cerulean elk]

it patches out his soul'

[orchid nimbus]

big N sold his soul to the devil

[covert bough]

does the no intro romset take out the title screen?

[kind nimbus]

Control issues with buttons double hitting or being bound to multiple functions without configuring it that way, yay or nay?

[woven olive]

I feel real dumb because I got past this two days ago but didn't realize I had to set second player to CPU in vs match and didn't have another controller handy. Anyway. First USA AKI wrestling game WCW vs NWO World Tour is VERY playable.

@cerulean elk These AKI wrestling games are the one's I'm sure your audience wants to see. Macho Man is in the game but as a hidden character if you beat League Mode. The other 3 AKI games don't boot because SRAM.

[devout leaf]

Wrestling fans love ‘em still

[cerulean elk]

I will look at some more wrestling in a vid or two

which one works now that has Ric Flair?

thats what I need

[woven olive]

Ric Flair is in the aforementioned game.

I might try and complete this tonight. The way it plays I think it's possible.

[nova grotto]

And it happened again xd

[wanton sun]

no, it's not even an additional step in the pixel pipeline, so it's really zero runtime cost

also you cannot toggle it

[fair stump]

This him?

[cerulean elk]

thats not a good portrait but yes thats Nature Boy himself

[inner bronze]

I wonder what the Mario Face cause was. Messing up greater-than with greater-than-or-equals in a Z-buffer check ?

[wanton sun]

in short: color combiner can multiply with alpha value of texture. If alpha value would be there

[inner bronze]

I see

[wanton sun]

(that's probably more words than the fix has)

[daring meteor]

Was the Mario face fix just the mario face

[inner bronze]

The ingame face.

[wanton sun]

no, also the pengiun face

[inner bronze]

Not the pinchable face

[daring meteor]

As in did it affect other games

[inner bronze]

Probably

Thats for us to test

[daring meteor]

We'll see tommorow

[compact depot]

Last version fixes Mario's face in M64?

[inner bronze]

Tomorrow's version

[devout leaf]

Tomorrow version will

[compact depot]

Hopefully OoT as well? 🙏

[inner bronze]

We still need SRAM for that to work properly, right?

[daring meteor]

Yes

[zenith orchid]

So it sounds like AA is a combination of features

And we just got one of them today

[wanton sun]

i didn't test any other game. If you have one that shows error flag 11 (e.g. E00800), then it could also be affected

[floral snow]

No. There's more softcore hentai on the switch than the 3do could even imagine having

[cerulean elk]

coming to wave the 3DO flag!

[fair stump]

Quick check of the list, Hybrid Heaven, Super Bowling, Top Gear Rally, PGA European Tour have that error

[mortal panther]

Well, that is kinda his thing. 😉

[devout leaf]

Trip Hawkins burner account?

[cerulean elk]

@floral snow is the ring leader of us who love 3DO. He basically dragged anyone who knew 3DO or M2 onto Discord where we now plan and plot cool shit for the consoles

[devout leaf]

I mean I’d love to play Way of the Warrior again lol

[mortal panther]

I dragged myself here, thank you very much.

[cerulean elk]

Diff server

[sly wasp]

Koji Kondo. One of the greatest composers of all time. all the Zelda Ocarina music, Dire Docks and the rest of the Mario 64 music. Pure class.

[floral snow]

Good game. Not a great one though lol. Average person refuses to learn the mechanics and gameplay because every other fighting game has training wheels or they have the impression of a YouTube turd left in their brain and just refuse to believe it's playable.

[mortal apex]

Nope. Many roms have intros added by the people who dumped them, it used to be more common than it is today. The no intro sets are dumps that aim to be as clean as possible, so they don't have those hacked intros hence the name.

[covert bough]

ohhh

[bitter fjord]

Hi, not sure if this is covered by the FAQ but I am using the Everdrive 64 rom pack and most roms fail to auto detect so I have to select the CIC chip manually

[vagrant ivy]

The databasae is a MD5 of the first 4096 bytes and is based on the no intro set

[bitter fjord]

ugh... :/

[vagrant ivy]

Z64 set

[zenith orchid]

So once we have SRAM, we'll have OoT, F-Zero, and Smash Bros?

[vagrant ivy]

any other endianess will obviously give different results

[bitter fjord]

the roms I am using are z64

[zenith orchid]

ah, excuse me for interrupting you two

[vagrant ivy]

then the Everdrive pack is not dumped correctly

first 4096 is the CIC section

and should be identical in all Z64 rom sets

[bitter fjord]

all from the htgdb game pack

[mortal panther]

You have the N64-database.txt file in your /Games/N64/ folder? It uses that to auto detect.

[vagrant ivy]

you also need the unstable Main

[bitter fjord]

ah! that might be missing

[vagrant ivy]

or it wont even use the database

[desert nest]

Also this is case-sensitive @bitter fjord ^

[topaz otter]

Has anybody tested the n64 core with newly dumped roms or is everyone using scene dumped stuff

[bitter fjord]

it was in /media/fat/games/N64 instead of usb0 where I put my N64 folder/roms

that's why it failed I guess

[vagrant ivy]

you used the Updater Script

its set up to use the SD card

[bitter fjord]

yeah

I modified the update script to use a hardcoded path for the N64dir

shouldn't cause issues now

[storm void]

F-Zero X (iQue) does

[fiery grove]

i was playing it yesteday, the boost arrows and the energy boosts doesn show up too, i was able to make 1st place only because of my memory of the game and where the things are placed😂

[cerulean elk]

haha yes its def a "must know exactly where to go" situ

[storm void]

The error shows up right as the map loads too. 🤞

[zinc dew]

How’s the AA effect?

[thorn flax]

https://twitter.com/afewbruises/status/1699185331797696629?t=0w_Q8mnZ7rX_waKRdNJKMg&s=19

hazel (@afewbruises)

the implications of this discoloration are absolutely wreaking havoc on the foundations of my brain.

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god

[languid dune]

iQue superiority apparently! 😅

[cerulean elk]

I went off on a 45 second tangent about the hilarity of the chinese consumer markets and workarounds on permissable distribution methods via iQue and then realized I needed to shut the fuck up lol

[languid dune]

Clearly the owner's most played game on the console.

[final knoll]

That cart Looks like a freekin tshirt tan.

[fair stump]

It's Aladdin Sane

Gonna tell my children that's david bowie

[native mesa]

OH NO

Maybe it's not the same AA then that is disabled here...

I guess in the context of the patcher it's really the Dither Filtering that gets disabled

example:

turn AA off:
u64aap.exe --df-off -i game.z64 -o game_patched.z64

don't forget to fix the checksum afterwards
rn64crc.exe -i romname.z64

usage:

Syntax: u64aap [options] -i input.z64 -o output.z64

u64aap - -== N64 AA-patcher ==-
by saturnu [email protected]

Input/Output: (required)
-i, --input=filename.z64 N64 Rom in z64 format
-o, --output=filename.z64 N64 Rom in z64 format

Filter options: (default: untouched)
-a, --gc-on set Gamma correction ON
-c, --gc-off set Gamma correction OFF
-b, --gd-on set Gamma dithering ON
-g, --gd-off set Gamma dithering OFF
-e, --di-on set DIVOT ON
-d, --di-off set DIVOT OFF
-j, --df-on set Dither filter ON
-f, --df-off set Dither filter OFF`

[flint thunder]

any of you test this core on a CRT / I am having a hard time finding the right settings

[native mesa]

vampier.net/N64

What are you having trouble with

@flint thunder

[flint thunder]

thanks ; I'm using these settings too but the picture is very narrow (vscale_mode=1
vga_scaler=1
video_mode=320,8,32,24,240,4,3,16,6048)

[native mesa]

set vscale_mode=0

This will disable integer scaling

Not as good of an image but more compatibility

You may want to add interpolation on top of that

[flint thunder]

thank you! sadly still quite narrow

I may need to adjust my crt settings then

[zenith orchid]

So AA won't be toggle-able, I think we'll survive

Personally AA is the only thing that I will would like to see toggle-able as its kinda overkill if you have blur and scanlines already

[chilly ember]

There are gameshark codes that can turn it off

[zenith orchid]

ah fascinating

[native mesa]

I don't think it's the same 'AA' as mentioned above

[native mesa]

Dang is that a PAL TV?

[chilly ember]

Not sure I haven't been following much of today's progress

[flint thunder]

Yes but ntsc compatible

[daring meteor]

PAL affects height, not width

[native mesa]

But it's also 59.9 Hz with that modeline

[flint thunder]

My mistake ; something was wrong with my ini file . I applied your settings and it’s full screen now!

[chrome quest]

Is that using direct video?
I know CRT isn't made to be working yet, but without any custom settings I got some kind of video out of RGB

[flint thunder]

Yes

[mortal apex]

Its beautiful 🥹

[zealous hull]

oh cool it's hazel! off topic, but please check out her YouTube channel. it's got great vibes.

[dusty tusk]

Yoshi's Story is a fun time

Expansion pak found?

[chilly ember]

Some games detect it, some don't

Most don't

40 winks does too but that's only one I know of

[chrome quest]

Yeah, that detection is odd. Frustratingly doesn't seem to see it when needed. I found the same with Stadium 2, title screen acknowledged it. Not sure it does anything much in the game though

3 games maybe! Wonder if the text would go away if you force the no expansion setting

[chilly ember]

Google tells me it enables 640x480 on Pokemon stadium

[chrome quest]

Intro only? Core reports 480i

I remember seeing a thread doubtful of the intro change. Afraid I'd not best be able to tell checking original hardware (and don't have the expansion Pak)

[native mesa]

Nice. What did you do? Others have run into the narrow screen issue

[limber willow]

That doesn't look like it has the 1 pixel offset every second scanline.

How did you avoid that?

[native mesa]

It's not work for him it's fun. It's in his name!

[marble cargo]

I swear Pokémon Stadium 2 used an interlaced mode for the whole game if it detects the Expansion Pak, because I remember seeing those combing artifacts during battles.

[brisk drum]

Crt money shot!

And some crisp Xena

[remote hatch]

Xenia my love ❤️

[brisk drum]

Crt pics powered by @native mesa

[brisk drum]

Uhhhh it’s xena bro

And she’s my waifu

So back off ese

[remote hatch]

What ? you broke my heart....

[brisk drum]

Only room for one hombre in her heart .. sorry

[remote hatch]

hehehe

ok bro she is yours

good night folks! 🙂

[fallen sparrow]

@brisk drum
YouTube redeems you important 😄

[brisk drum]

https://tenor.com/view/xena-xena-warrior-princess-lucy-lawless-season3-s3ep2-gif-22462538

[fallen sparrow]

Night

[brisk drum]

Fucking algorithm knows bro

Im a lowkey influencer

https://tenor.com/view/cholofit-creeper-chilling-jamming-jammin-gif-13062913

I’m pro Aliasing though tbh

[cold pollen]

Xenia is someone else

https://tenor.com/view/ponste47-gif-21251506

[brisk drum]

Oh shit you done exceeded the gif quota ..

Robby incoming

[cold pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/i-welcome-it-ryan-bruce-fluff-riffs-beards-and-gear-i-embrace-it-gif-26554469

[remote hatch]

so many gifs ❤️ , good fun and I have to go, life is unfair !!!!

[brisk drum]

Buenos nachos

[fair stump]

[brisk drum]

At least you’ll wake up to a new build and Mario will finally have eyes

[zinc dew]

Being able to swap the analog sticks in the core menu would be nice to improve playability for the FPS games.

[fair stump]

[zinc dew]

Yes please let’s limit gifs

[brisk drum]

I was playing with the the d pad set as analog stick and left stick set as c buttons .. got through the first level of daikatana .. but at what cost

[fair stump]

Other fps on the console don't have the odd movement setup of turok, right?

[stone pilot]

Left
Right
Both (2p)

[brisk drum]

Lol ….

[fair stump]

It's been forever since I've played goldeneye

[brisk drum]

Golden eye has a somewhat modern control scheme .. it’s not as tedious as turok or everything else

Big reason why the n64 was not the success Nintendo was hoping it would be ..

The dang controller

[zinc dew]

Yeah

[brisk drum]

Would smash

[cerulean elk]

upload for 64 done. I also managed to make our house and our downstairs neighbors house smell like egg farts from a drain cleaner I used

fucking HIGHS and LOWS today kids

[brisk drum]

Did they come up and complain ?

[cerulean elk]

maybe.....

[brisk drum]

Im assuming it’s a duplex ?

Good lord bacon!

[zinc dew]

They may have options to change it?

[cerulean elk]

we dont like them. They are annoying. So they had it comin

even if I didnt mean it

[brisk drum]

Fight fight!

[dusty tusk]

What if there was an option to combine player 1 and player 2 controllers for goldeneye and perfect dark to do the weird dual analog option

[brisk drum]

I’m sure that can be a thing after the core is considered complete

[zinc dew]

That might be the fix for a few other games as well like Space Station Silicon where the collectibles are invisible.

[weary palm]

dat wold b n1

[cerulean elk]

dude at hardware store didnt tell me about the egg smell

I am not a plumber. I am a filmmaker!

[brisk drum]

https://tenor.com/view/imadoctor-nota-startrek-bones-mccoy-gif-5119393

Ok bones

[cerulean elk]

exactly lol

its going away but it was bad

but I got N64 done for tomorrow afternoon!

[native mesa]

They used to call me bones in school

Well bonez

[brisk drum]

Anti aliasing for the masses

And than blow their minds the next day with Mario eyes!