Nintendo 64

[languid dune]

Now I need to contact the authorities. On a completely unrelated issue of course!

[covert bough]

Looks fun I'm tempted to set up the wip core

[fallen sparrow]

lol, right sleepy time, I gotta stop looking at discord in bed.

Have a good one all

[languid dune]

👀

[zenith orchid]

gn!

[mild ether]

No changes in function with the current core and the Aleck 64 set.

[cerulean elk]

See ya

[languid dune]

How much are they going for?

[chilly ember]

I'm hoping the 8bitdo N64 kit won't suck, supposed to ship on the 20th so guess I'll see

Cheaper than a scalped nso controller

[languid dune]

I have one already, but they do come back in stock occasionally.

[cerulean elk]

$70-80 from what I’ve seen

So $20-30 over retail. I just hate all scalping in all forms

Two things ruin retro gaming fun; gatekeeping anger and scalping

[languid dune]

It is really nice. The built in rumble feels shockingly close to a rumble pack.

[hearty oar]

I would really just wait, the NSO N64 controllers are coming back in stock all the time on the Nintendo website, unless it's that different in NA to Australia then you really shouldn't need to wait all that long either

[cerulean elk]

Oh yeah I’m in no rush. I’ll wait for a restock

[languid dune]

I'll ping you if I see a restock.

[cerulean elk]

Hmm wait I know a guy who makes controller adapters. I wonder if he’d be interested in rocking a new design for the 64. I’ll ask him

If he can do Nuon he can do 64 lol

[cerulean elk]

Thanks. Appreciate it. Because I’ll forget to check for it myself 😂

Ok anyway time to eat ice cream and watch tv with my wife. See you all tomorrow I’m sure. Even you @zinc dew 😂

[zinc dew]

I think he likes me

lmao Turok with today’s update plays like an avant-garde indie game that’s in two shades of black and white

with a veeeery narrow fov

[cerulean elk]

Of course I like you. You are Robby

[zenith orchid]

I'm so thrilled for the RSP pipeline fix. It seems unlikely for that to be an issue again

I bet that'll reduce the potential slowdown of adding z-buffer and perspective correction

[slate sundial]

I just woke up, I see you maniacs have been busy.

#test-builds message

Does this update require the custom MiSTer file?

[zenith orchid]

Unstable build? yes

[plush summit]

I brought my Pro controller on a trip and it was not fun to deal with

[slate sundial]

muchas gracias

[zenith orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/el-rey-de-las-ofertas-no-es-nada-rey-ha-forget-it-gif-20474327

[silver galleon]

There’s a secret if you do the Konami code on these 😂

[cerulean elk]

For real?

[chilly ember]

https://youtu.be/dWsqrMIcomw

[elfin depot]

https://youtu.be/8tnjkiyLvcE

[chilly ember]

That's awesome

That would be amazing to have just to give to other people to use as player two

[languid dune]

Love and hate are two sides of the same coin.

Aww...

[orchid nimbus]

problem with controller solved - just deleted the profiles and now all looks and functions like it should

https://www.twitch.tv/vampiermsx

testing the core

it's not going well lol

stupid sound is all messed up

audio fixed

routing extra cable into capture device

[brisk drum]

At least the Saturn core has actual graphics .. even if they are mostly 2d

[orchid nimbus]

Sega Fanboy

[cinder pagoda]

I have an issue after setting everything up. Mario 64 will boot to the first screen “It me, Mario” then freeze with garbled video. Anyone else have this?

[cobalt junco]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1096015979055697940/1141705615073353808/sm64_no_face_level_select.ips

https://hack64.net/tools/patcher.php

patch the rom, The mario face at the beginning crashes in the core. This patch bypasses that

[cinder pagoda]

Thanks so much! I was unaware a patch was needed. Thought I was going crazy 😜

[vagrant ivy]

First you must bring me a shrubbery

[hasty kayak]

I would rather wait until we can play the games in their original form than patching them but maybe thats just me.

[silent marten]

The patch just removes the stretchy face from the title screen as that requires TLB

And TLB implementation is going to be a very long way away

[quick arch]

For this patch needs to load DK64 not patched before to have the right settings. Maybe it is worth to add it on DB temporally.

[silent marten]

DK I can wait for

[hollow rune]

Hey I am following @cerulean elk latest video for how to install the core, which is great, but he says something about updating to unstable main and that he would have a link to another video but I don't see it. Does anyone have a link to documentation on this?

[silent marten]

Get latest unstable main from #unstable-nightlies, ftp into your MiSTer, rename downloaded file to just MiSTer and rename the file MiSTer on your device to MiSTer.old or MiSTer.bak then copy downloaded one over to sdcard, wait around 10 seconds and then cold reboot MiSTer

[hollow rune]

That is exactly what I needed

[silent marten]

Get the txt file from #test-builds and place it in your games/N64 directory 🙂

[bronze tree]

oh nice, the filename was even fixed in Robert's post 🙂

[silent marten]

Yeah it was markun 🙂

[hollow rune]

So then the boot.rom, I know I gotta find it myself, but what is the file name?

[remote hatch]

https://vampier.net/N64/

The N64 BIOS file (also called PIF ROM) should be renamed to boot.rom and should be placed into the /games/N64 folder.

[bronze tree]

I think if you look for the hashes on Vampier's website you will be able to find them: https://vampier.net/N64/

hm, maybe not...

[hollow rune]

yeah the PIF ROM is a tricky one, but I should be able to find it somewhere, everyone else did

[hasty kayak]

Understood Fuzz 🙂

[hollow rune]

could a potential name for the pif rom be something like normpnt.rom?

[silent marten]

I pointed you in a direction buddy, check ya DM's

[hollow rune]

oh sorry, I didn't see the notification

thank you

[silent marten]

No worries bud

[fallen sparrow]

My sound disappeared on OBS, and I had to restart it. I'm just glad it happened before I started last night's Stream.

I hope y'all have a good weekend

[hollow rune]

Was listenign to your test stream recording this morning. It is amazing how much works

[fallen sparrow]

Definitely, we were all pleasantly surprised. Especially when Resident Evil and Mystical Ninja booted (among others).

Thanks for watching

[silent marten]

I am just happy that if you press A a few times when booting Buck Bumble you get to hear that banger of a song 🙂

[lament escarp]

Forsaken 64 had the best music so far

[fallen sparrow]

You taught the way of mashing, for that I will always be grateful.

[silent marten]

No problem bro 🙂

[hollow rune]

Is it weird I am looking most forward to playing through Shadowgate 64 when the core is further along. We don't own it because it isn't that great, but I kind of love the vibe

[silent marten]

Nothing is ever weird, half the people here want to go on a Quest

[fallen sparrow]

Nope, most of us here are weird in one way or another 😂

[lament escarp]

Is it a remake of the original shadowgate? I only ever played the gbc version, which is a port remake iirc.

[hollow rune]

It is not. It is a whole different game

It is weirdly empty. I think the asthetic is "N64 Third-Party gothic", not many NPCs, lots of fog, really dark, very minimal music

Like a hammer movie where no one showed up to set

[hollow rune]

but yeah is is 3D and first person

[fallen sparrow]

Ice 🍦 Cream taste good

[hollow rune]

what if I get and "auto-detect failed" message when loading a .z64 rom?

[thorn flax]

I saw one of the very first npc streams.
some Japanese girl who'd gone above and beyond to look like an anime character with legit perfect acting.

I was impressed and figured it would make its way westward.

just didn't think such low energy efforts would draw a crowd

[chilly ember]

Is that what is trending nowadays?

[silent marten]

Did you put the N64-database.txt file in your games/N64 folder?

[hollow rune]

yes, but maybe something went wrong, let me try downloading it again

[remote hatch]

for me this is the downfall of humanity haha

[hollow rune]

I downloaded it again and still no dice

[remote hatch]

you have 0 byte roms

redownload it

[hollow rune]

oh crap, I didn't even notice

thank you

i downloaded new ones becaue while I know new file extensions would be added, I wasn't sure if there would be benefit in using .z64

my usual set is .n64

[silent marten]

.n64 is little endian, .v64 is little endian byte swapped and .z64 is big endian that is the only difference

[weary palm]

Big endian is the only one that makes sense.

[silent marten]

But all are supported now

I wonder if we are getting a new release today or if it will come tomorrow??

[daring meteor]

I was about to say "Almost certainly", haha

[silent marten]

Yeah I re read how I typed that so had to edit it hahaha

[daring meteor]

I'm more curious about the contents of the release than the release itself

[silent marten]

Same, I know Robert wanted to get either perspective correction or Z-Buffer done this weekend but which one we get is yet to be seen

[daring meteor]

I think I know the answer :3

[silent marten]

Ohhh

[remote hatch]

I heard , that Robert took a break from the N64 and is now doing Jaguar core. N64 postponed to 2026 😛

[thorny marten]

ok I'm having trouble finding a PIF boot.rom

[silent marten]

Really I heard he was doing 3DO and CD-i at the same time, N64 postponed to 2030 🤣

[daring meteor]

20230708-120122 does not mean anything

[remote hatch]

so many new cores , yeeahhhh

[silent marten]

Hahaha

When this core is done it is gonna be the most impressive core on MiSTer

[hollow rune]

Thank you everyone

[silent marten]

Enjoy it 🙂

[thorny marten]

nvm i think i got it

[onyx minnow]

it took me a while to find it, search for pif.ntsc.rom

[hollow rune]

Should I go back to using my backed up MiSTer file when I am done? Does it matter?

[daring meteor]

Shouldn't really matter

[silent marten]

You don't need to revert back

It is called unstable but it isn't, it is just recent additions before they get added to stable, Sorg tends to wait until there is enough to merge to the stable branch before it releases

[daring meteor]

Yeah usually its like that

[weary palm]

imagine if he implemented perspective correction and z-buffering during this weekend.

[remote hatch]

Yes some weekend in 2026 🙂

[fallen sparrow]

It's pure crap, at least all the ones I have come across

[fallen sparrow]

Yeah, it's mad

[solemn maple]

Can you play ntsc games on a pal n64 when using an everdrive x7?

[marble cargo]

It's not recommended to play PAL games on NTSC systems and vise versa in general.

The main exception are systems that support PAL60 like Xbox and Nintendo GameCube.

[hearty oar]

You actually can, and it will play at close to the right speed (slightly off I’ve been told) at 60hz

This is a problem for me though, because my n64 is not RGB modded, and it is a 60hz signal in PAL colour space, which apparently my PVM is incapable of understanding, so you get horizontal ghosting

Worked great on my old consumer display though, or on my retrotink

[marble cargo]

I'm not familiar with PAL on the Nintendo 64 admittedly, so I don't know how it exactly works compared to other systems.

[solemn maple]

Thanks guys 👍

[marble cargo]

How many European only Nintendo 64 games even exist anyway?

[remote hatch]

3 games 🤣

[remote hatch]

Ok four 🙂

New core

[blissful plaza]

So fast.

[oblique remnant]

Top Gear Overdrive has quiet an impressive Menu Soundtrack 🎸

[solemn maple]

Wooo! Kinda hoped to see z-buffer before perspective correction to see what that would look like 🙂

[hearty oar]

mmm, non depth buffered cake

[fair stump]

What a time to be on vacation and unable to test

[hearty oar]

just think of how rad the core is no doubt going to be by the time you get back at this rate

[wanton sun]

the track in mario kart finally looks straight 🙂 Still half of the textures are missing, need to search them

[quick arch]

Wave Race also improved a lot !

[remote hatch]

indeed 🙂

[daring meteor]

Classic Robert, hahahaha
Perspective correction and a Texture mode, you're a legend

[brazen obsidian]

Robotron 64 looks wonderful

[lilac scroll]

I just can’t understand the speed of the progress, it’s insane

[wanton sun]

wow i got ingame in waverace, dolphin park 🙂

[lament escarp]

He's clearly programming in the hyperbolic time chamber, obviously.

[lilac scroll]

Robert at work

[wanton sun]

i initially wanted to fix the black textures and thought the title screen in mario kart would be a good case because of the big black box. But it turned out it was not what i thought

[daring meteor]

The big black box was a 32bit texture, or something else?

[wanton sun]

yes, it was the Mario kart 64 text

don't ask me why only a part of it was black...i have NO idea

[daring meteor]

Very nice, I did notice the title screen working now too haha
(And the menus show up well too, but I get double presses)

[wanton sun]

the spinning logo is now golden instead of some yellow and brown, that was perspective correction

with z-buffer it should look fully correct (hopefully)

[daring meteor]

Is the side of it breaking because of zbuffer?

[wanton sun]

what do you mean?

[daring meteor]

The spinning logo's right side looks a little funny near the end

[wanton sun]

that is because of the Vi(video out) being basically a hack that can only do 320 and 256 pixels width, but the game switches or slowly scales or so

[daring meteor]

Got it

[hearty python]

Core still 65% of the FPGA?

[wanton sun]

it's 65% now, was mostly 64% last builds

until full RDP, 70-75% are easily reached

[hearty python]

That sounds good. Your calculations seems come true.

[vapid hawk]

very cool

[devout leaf]

The black transparencies really make the snow flakes pop.

[vapid hawk]

is there an fps counter in n64 core like the psx one?

[hearty python]

Has Mario now a face ?

[weary palm]

nope

[wanton sun]

yes, i added it yesterday

[opal quiver]

Is there other textures to fix to have the characters (i mean diff that 32Bit) on the kart in MK 64? 🙂

[weary palm]

strange to play N64 games without any biliner filtering (or whatever filter is applied to the polygons)

[vapid hawk]

marios face is probably going to be a pretty late thing to start working afaik, it uses the TLB thing

n64 has like... approximate trilinear filtering iirc

[wanton sun]

yes, only 2 modes are currently implemented. And one still has a bug. There are at least 10 more modes, but mario kart only needs 2 more i guess

[opal quiver]

Ha Okay, that's really great and very clear for my understanding ! Cool ! Thanks again Robert.

[hearty python]

So mk64 can be a good test case.

[lament escarp]

Damn, peach looks good now!

[hearty python]

How do you get this Modi? Can you selectiv switch off modi on your software emulator?

[weary palm]

Dat framerate xD

Laggiest room in SM64

[hearty python]

Cool, and mk64? Have you checked it also ?

[solemn maple]

What's your next task, Robert?

[hearty python]

From feeling it must be over 20

[wanton sun]

the framerate is much lower currently, as the CPU datacache is still fully missing. So every reads costs the full ddr3 latency

[weary palm]

MK64 doesn't crash during the intro anymore

[lilac scroll]

This is progressing a lot faster than you yourself expected, isn’t it?

[zinc dew]

Music in mystical ninja gives me strength!!!!

[wanton sun]

i have set up an environment where i can render a frame with my software emulator and export all the draw commands and generated pixels into a file, then run these commands in the VHDL simulation and compare the pixels with a diff tool. So whenever a game uses one mode, the core has to also implement it or there will be a difference

[oblique remnant]

Destruction Derby runs around 5 FPS

[wanton sun]

the fps counter currently has one main purpose: see if a game hangs or still renders 😅

[weary palm]

seems to be a few "off by one" issues between polygons; sometimes the edges are clearly visible, especially when using transparent polygons.

[oblique remnant]

a game that doesn't crash is already impressive. not sure if Destruction Derby hangs later on

[lament escarp]

Can you disable sound while loading a rom? That crunchy noise is giving me goosebumbs.

[hearty python]

I personaly haven’t expected that games show so much live so early 😁

[wanton sun]

i should just hold the core in reset while a rom is downloaded

[true kelp]

Perhaps a more general question: what was the TLB used for if all of the N64’s memory could be physically mapped into the address space?

And no OS to do multitasking, virtual memory, paging, etc

[wanton sun]

makes is easier to implement multithreading in applications i guess?

[blissful plaza]

Some games have a title screen logo now, like WaveRace 64, Paper Mario, Mystical Ninja, Clayfighter Sculptor's Cut (and even characters are rendered).

[worldly flint]

I was hoping there would be a method like this, so you can track down which mode needs to be worked on first.

[lament escarp]

Rayman 2 does play sound after the totle screen, but stays black

[zinc dew]

I like to pretend that the MiSTer is physically destroying the rom data and you’re hearing the last gasps of air from a rom that just wanted to live. You monster!

[blissful plaza]

Mystical Ninja goes a little bit further and some characters clothes are rendered, the game could go until the end of the in-game intro.

[native mesa]

Yo perspective correction? You mad man

[lament escarp]

No reason to torture me with their death screams!

[true kelp]

I don’t think they were doing much with threads on N64. They’d have to do their own scheduler, and SMT hit most game developers like a ton of bricks in the early 2000s.

[native mesa]

Shit I'm gonna have to decide on a controller to use soon. Maybe a dualshock 3?

[true kelp]

https://www.copetti.org/writings/consoles/nintendo-64/ makes a reasonable enough use case

[vapid hawk]

that sound is the screeching of souls that are sacrificed to create the core so fast

[true kelp]

Under “Memory Management”

[native mesa]

So what are the black areas again? Unimplemented texture modes?

[vapid moat]

How many have tried the MayFlash N64 Adapter so far?

Might try firing up my own, maybe?

[wanton sun]

mostly, yes

could also be missing combine or blender modes

i should just add a unique color/pattern for each missing mode, so it's easy recognizable 🙃

[vapid hawk]

thats actually a pretty good idea

[native mesa]

Knowing you though you'd sooner implement the modes themselves

[lament escarp]

Thats a good idea! And would make me feel of less falling into the abyss when playing sm64 or turok 😄

[weary palm]

Fifty shades of grey

[wanton sun]

yes it was more a joke...too much effort. Could instead implement 1-2 modes in the same time

[lament escarp]

How much time to you plan for each render mode? Do they differ in complexity?

[wanton sun]

depends. the raw modes should be straight forward now, but the palette modes need a good chunk of work in the render pipeline

and YUV modes....i don't even know how they work yet

but it seems nearly nothing is using that

[hollow rune]

In Mario Kart for example, when the player selection menu comes up it most works, but then when it starts moving after the selection is disappears mostly. Is a different mechanism handling the image when it is moving than when it is just still. Does this relate to why sprites are black boxes?

[native mesa]

Can you keep a config switch for us to turn off texture filtering? I personally prefer the crisp pixely texture like they look now. Early texture filtering was so bad

[zinc dew]

@wanton sun I don’t know if you saw but @desert crow put together a SNAC fork that already has everything working fantastically for base controllers. I don’t think external adapter like rumble + memcards work, but my controllers and train controller does!

[hollow rune]

When attract mode runs, I could really see the sand texture for Kalimari Desert. It was super intense and crisp, almost like a DS game. Is this what you were talking about, cause I like it too

[wanton sun]

yes, will have disable for the "eye candy" things like AA, dithering, texture filtering

[native mesa]

Yeah, N64 did a lot of bicubic or bilinear filtering that looked like dookie

[compact lark]

Still can't believe we have working games already, albeit rendered in a funky manner.
I'm excited for when dithering and the VI filter get implemented.

[lament escarp]

It's really teasing how many games start and make sounds but are black. It's so close!

[marble cargo]

I've noticed games like Yoshi's Story, Mario Kart 64, Mischief Makers, etc. benefits the most from the anti-aliasing and dithering produced by a Nintendo 64.

A raw image has noticeable artifacts from the sprites that gets masked with the softer image.

[zinc dew]

I’m taking notes on everyone who’s asking to turn off texture filtering

[native mesa]

heresy

You don't want your N64 to look like a PS1 @zinc dew ?

[lament escarp]

I heard if you look directly at brian without aa and dither your eyes melt. So be carefull.

[zinc dew]

Don’t do this to me. You’re making me question my core foundational beliefs.

[vapid hawk]

i tend to just run my real n64 without deblur or any AA patches or anything like that

just some scanlines and soft interpolation

[compact lark]

I'm just tired of the "emulator" look of the N64.

[devout leaf]

Have you tried Goemon in Smash Remix? Pretty fun.

[vapid hawk]

you really need advanced, carefully considered filters and scaling etc to make n64 look like how it does on CRT

more than maybe any other console

[wanton sun]

please try if the reset works ok with that before i commit

my concern is that the video signal might be lost, due to the permanent reset while the rom is downloaded

[woeful grove]

this is pretty standard practice

[wanton sun]

does that work well with vsync adjust 2 and crts?

[woeful grove]

well, typically rom downloads dont take ages, but usually with vsync adjust = 2 the screen will jump anyway

with some cores, like NES, it detects when there is no generated signal from the PPU and throws a generic video signal generator in there anyway, and attempts to sync when it releases reset to this placeholder video signal

to reduce the disruption when loading

[wanton sun]

yes, i feared i would need to make the video out not reset or only once...we can try it like this for now. If it's too bad, i have to invest more time

[brazen obsidian]

Looped loading SM64 patched > Starfox 64 > Mario Kart, about 5 times so far, no broken audio, or visual glitches during loading time

[woeful grove]

the framework has a video pause feature of some sort

i've never used it effectively but it exists

[zinc dew]

Thank you for confirming!

[woeful grove]

maybe ask sorg about how to use it

[vapid hawk]

doesn't gba core have this issue?

[wanton sun]

i used it with psx, it's not great as it creates glitches when going into and out of this mode

switched to permanent video out then

[woeful grove]

that's too bad, but I guess better than extra resources used by the framework

[wanton sun]

if it's good enough now, i can keep it and think about again when the real video out is implemented or pausing/savestates migth be added

[woeful grove]

anyway NES is probably the most advanced as far as keeping video sane as roms are loading

most cores do not care and just reset during loading to prevent all the noise and video distortion

[wanton sun]

ok, if that's common, i can also do it

[twin barn]

i believe genesis uses it? freeze right?

oh nvm it's tied to 0 in genesis

HDMI_FREEZE signal

[zenith orchid]

So now? z-buffer and the remaining raw modes, and we should have SM/MK/SF-64 looking clean?

I bet this could all be done within the weekend 👍

[daring meteor]

TIL the character sprites in MK64 are paletted I think

[vapid hawk]

maybe so they can do stuff like the effect when you get hit by lightning

[zenith orchid]

Oh, well then the raw modes might not be enough for a clean MK64

probably not for SF64 either

[daring meteor]

There's still the transparency bugs around, dunno from where they happen
And the N64 characters may not be pallated but it at least seems that all the other raw modes are IA and I which are greyscale

Yeah I can now verify characters, items, etc are palletted

[wanton sun]

yes, everything that is color and doesn't have color yet is palette

anything transparent or grey can be a raw mode

palette modes will still take a while, z-buffer will be first

and fixing the 16bit rgb mode

[daring meteor]

(Or YUV I guess but apperently almost nobody uses that anyway)

[wanton sun]

maybe it's used for fmv?

[zenith orchid]

I'm really looking forward to playing THPS1-3 with perspective correction and better framerate on N64

of course you don't have the full soundtrack, but you get nice loops

[vapid hawk]

i wonder if you could make a romhack putting full length tracks in

they were only limited because of cartridge space right

[zenith orchid]

perhaps, I'm not sure

[daring meteor]

We'll be waiting to see haha

[zenith orchid]

N64 should be powerful enough play MP3s, should someone hack that functionality into THPS1-3

[daring meteor]

The question is if it can play MP3s and the game, haha

[zenith orchid]

Haha true, very true

[wanton sun]

just place a second mister next to it and run the psx version in parallel 🙃

[zenith orchid]

🤣

Maybe you can play the MP3 via HPS

[wanton sun]

should work, but load on the HPS will also influence the core as ddr3 is shared

[zenith orchid]

Hmm.. but I wonder how much. I think on AO486, flynnsbit or binarybond007 implemented a way of playing mp3s via HPS while playing DOS games or something

[maiden wyvern]

you can just play them from HPS. bgm scripts support continuing playing when a core is active

[brisk drum]

Looks like I’m done watching development from the sidelines! Time to test some Roms!

[visual forge]

Hey dudes, what am I doing wrong? I am getting an error overlay (E0047) for all games but no picture

Just a black image

I have the boot.rom file in the N64 games folder

I have the latest mister file

[zenith orchid]

latest as in, latest unstable?

[visual forge]

Yes

[zenith orchid]

and you have the N64 database file?

[hollow rune]

ARe we testing right now with N64_reset.rbf?

[visual forge]

Yes in the N64 games folder

[hollow rune]

Where are we reporting results?

[zenith orchid]

@hollow rune check the pins

@visual forge please hold until a more knowledgeable dude finds your message 😄

[hollow rune]

I see. Thank you. I get how this loop works now

[visual forge]

I am using analog video, but I saw someone else up above who did the same and it worked for them

I've tried both analog out and direct video analog out, both behave exactly the same

I load a rom and the screen flickers as it typically does when a game is just starting, but then the output is just black. I can enable fps and error display but no game ever shows up.

Looks like my boot rom has the wrong checksum value

I had a hard time finding the one I got

File is called "[BIOS] Nintendo 64 - PIF (Japan, USA).v64", this is not what I should use? Renamed to boot.rom of course

Filesize 1 984 bytes

Looks like my boot rom was byteswapped, so I changed it to a big endian with the correct SHA1 (according to https://vampier.net/N64/) but I still get the same error

OMG, restarted the core - it works now!!

So byteswapped boot rom is a no-no!

[lament escarp]

Thanks a lot, this works flawlessly. Loaded through a couple of roms and no issues whatsoever.

[visual forge]

Holy crap, first time seeing N64 on a CRT with RGB!

[cerulean elk]

Ooh new core. What’s the updates?

[bronze tree]

textures look much better!

[visual forge]

Damn, Quets 64 doesn't work

[cerulean elk]

Nice. Will do a vid tues then

[bronze tree]

wow, pokemon stadium 2 shows the title image now

[carmine kettle]

quest will never work

[bronze tree]

wave race intro look much better

[cerulean elk]

Or maybe run an extra tomorrow afternoon

Shit is moving too fast lol

[bronze tree]

yes, if you make a new video now you will have to make another one very soon when z-buffer is implemented

[carmine kettle]

just wait few days

[bronze tree]

Majora's Mask is now showing "Zelda" on the screen, what wasn't there before, was it?

[lament escarp]

Robert already uploaded a version in this channel that fixes the horrible noise when loading a rom while another is playing

[lament escarp]

No, just some really wonky name entry menu and some low fps, silhouette frames

[bronze tree]

would be fun if someone could automate clicking through all the roms 🙂

[jolly laurel]

Where can i find the pif N64 please?

[pure ocean]

Paperboy is nice to watch. Just wait 15 seconds or so and it shows also ingame stuff

[hollow rune]

so I am downloading that official rom set right now, but I have a few that I got somewhere else. Should I wait till I have the official set to contribute to reporting?

[lament escarp]

I don't think it's "real" testing yet anyway, so it's fine.

We're just shouting out if something works, it's not like it's of concern yet if something doesn't.

[twin barn]

please don't ask for roms or bios here

[drowsy lantern]

Fun tidbit: The reset button on the N64 isn’t a hardware reset, but rather like a controller button that sends a reset command to the software, allowing for creative reset animations (like the shades effect in Mario 64). Tetrisphere used the fact that it can remain held like a controller button to do a vortex animation with the proper cheat for as long as the reset button is kept held down. https://youtu.be/a4jPG7q0g68?si=UdTqUo77IfsHMQu2

@wanton sun can something be “held” in the OSD to simulate this. Or mapping the reset button to a controller button combination maybe?

[maiden wyvern]

Just launch them one after the other?

[cerulean elk]

Fun stuff

[devout leaf]

Thats some great info!

[hollow rune]

Chameleon Twist: Boots, title screen has black stripes, music plays and you can get into playable stuff. Most everything is blcack though, except sprite character and polygons used for the aim reticule

[drowsy lantern]

Also the fact that the reset button sends a command to the software, the reset button will do absolutely nothing if a game is crashed, forcing you to power off/on.

[hollow rune]

Aidyn Chronicles does nothing, which might be for the best

[lament escarp]

If there's a fix for the crashes I'd actually like to play it.

[hollow rune]

sorry, I have to remember that every game is loved by someone

[lament escarp]

Never played it, never loved it. But I heard it has some severe crashing issues, which is unacceptable to me even if I'm curious. So no worries. 🙂

[cerulean elk]

This is why I don’t capture with headphones on for test cores lol

At this rate I should just rename my channel “Video Game Esoterica’s N64 core showcase” 😂

[remote hatch]

The question is, if there is a new core daily, will you have time to release new videos daily? Hardcore

[cerulean elk]

I only make new ones when visuals improve. If it’s “more games show signs of life like a title screen” then I wait 🙂

But turn around time on a new vid is approx 1.5 hours capture to upload so I can fit them in

[mild ether]

I think everyone would like a half hour special on Vivid Dolls when it finally works.

[wanton sun]

you may want to wait with another video until z-buffer and texture bug is fixed at least, so the difference is larger

[wanton sun]

i have not yet thought about that. usually the hard reset from the core would be my prefered way as it always works. A reset that sometimes doesn't work will confuse users

[cerulean elk]

Yes I will be waiting 🙂

Just DM me when it’s time @wanton sun

[cerulean elk]

Everyone named @mild ether

[lament escarp]

Maybe as a mappable button on the controller, if it already works as software button anyway?

[hollow rune]

@wanton sun this is from Diddy Kong Racing. What is happening to cause all the colors at the bottom line this. It doesn't look like the image.

[wanton sun]

Magic 🪄

all the rare games seem to use more advanced rendering modes of the RDP, i wouldn't expect them to show something nice soon

[vapid hawk]

looks like cram dots

[cerulean elk]

Go cram your dots!

[hollow rune]

what is a cram dot?

[vapid hawk]

they're like little dots that appear on some genesis games

its very unlikely what you're seeing on n64 actually has any real similarity

[hollow rune]

I like the crunching noise when you switch games

[native mesa]

What is the folder structure for the core on mister?

[cerulean elk]

Like jamming a cart in like a Wolverine lol

[native mesa]

Games/N64

[cerulean elk]

N64 folder in games, text file from vampier in folder with PIF renamed to boot.rom

I put my roms in raw dogged into the N64 folder and don’t organize them myself

[hollow rune]

Yeah, it is like if the Wolverine is angry that the last game didn't work and is yelling while the next one loads

[cerulean elk]

@orchid nimbus is the text file case sensitive or no? I can’t remember where that landed

[vapid moat]

So just inserted the unstable MiSTer-build + N64-core, but somehow it keeps crashing on me whenever I try to boot it up

[cerulean elk]

Got the PIF as boot.rom?

[vapid moat]

Yep

[cerulean elk]

Text file as well?

[cerulean elk]

Looks correct

[vapid moat]

So what might be going on?

[cerulean elk]

Yeah I was gonna say is the checksum the same for the rom that we’re using

[hollow rune]

dancing to MiSTer doing the Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon Theme

[cerulean elk]

Did you rename your stable mister and add in the unstable as “MiSTer” and reboot?

[devout leaf]

Watching everyone test is pretty exciting

[mild ether]

Did you try unplugging it and plugging it back in?

[cerulean elk]

Hmm. @vapid moat not sure. Seems like it’s all as it should be

Will have to see if anyone else has had this issue and has solved for it as nothing glaring seems wrong

[mild ether]

Unironically.

[hollow rune]

One time I saw a pinball machine that was opened up and you could see all the wires underneath the table. Everyone testing has been like that. It is super cool.

[native mesa]

We need mister main nightly to test?

[vapid moat]

Looks to work now actually @cerulean elk, nvm

Thanks for checking in anyway

[cerulean elk]

Happy to do it

[foggy stirrup]

N64.database.txt.txt ???

Or am i seeing that wrong

Ohh nvm

[hollow rune]

do we ask for permission to edit the google sheet or do we submit to someone?

I only ask because there is stuff there

[zenith orchid]

they're also 64-bit games(no 32-bit mode), at least the DK games are. it probably means they rely on tlb more right?

[hollow rune]

Does that mean the core won't be able to do them ever? Isn't the reason that N64 sits and fits is because Robert is treating it like a 32 bit system, or will he just implement workarounds

Also glitchy attract mode for Snowboard Kids starts with some crunchy music

[native mesa]

Man google gets worse and worse

[zenith orchid]

probably not at full speed without hacks, so ultimately an inauthentic method of recreating the hardware, but it should still work a lot better than software emulation.

[native mesa]

I can only find the N64 DD bios

[zenith orchid]

Also I wouldn't say he treats it like a 32-bit system, many of the games actually treat it like a 32-bit system

@hollow rune

[devout leaf]

For sure the same vibe

[hollow sparrow]

@orchid nimbus have u done a script for n64 core?

[orchid nimbus]

Nope not yet - I might if people nag me enough 😉

[vapid moat]

Hopefully enough for me to not notice anything - what kind of hacks are we talking tho?

[mild ether]

Aleck 64 PIF works.

[zenith orchid]

similar to how you can set the CPU speed higher on the ao486. it does increase speed, but in a rather inauthentic-to-the-original-hardware kind of way. most people won't care, but accuracy and closeness to authentic is part of the general goal of the MiSTer project

[vapid moat]

Overclocking, basically?

[mild ether]

I think using "no intro" in your magic words will result in some answers for a bios

[zenith orchid]

yeah but rather than overclocking the CPU within its own capabilities, I think what's happening is that you're speeding it up in the FPGA implementation.

which I imagine could cause stability issues

Anyway, it's all speculation right now, even Robert can't yet be entirely sure how he'll make it work

[cerulean elk]

I say we leave the core as is and call it done. Leave jank Mario be

Or when it’s done we have a JankMario.rbf core in _consoles so we can keep having dumb fun officially

[native mesa]

Wow analog output works pretty well actually

[zenith orchid]

I wonder why jankifying game shark/genie codes aren't a thing yet. I bet it's possible to use codes to disable RDP features in the game

like, just make a code that interrupts calls to the z-buffer or perspective correction logic

[vapid hawk]

yeah but at the rate robert develops things they'll be redundant in like a week

[languid dune]

Stick around here for too long, and you just might go crazy!

[native mesa]

Are up and down not mappable at this point? I can only get left and right on the dpad to work

[cerulean elk]

Works fine. What controller?

[native mesa]

M30 8bitdo

I can map it to the core but the game doesn't recognize input

[languid dune]

What the darn Robert! You work too fast! Now I have to do more testing today because I just can't stop myself!

[cerulean elk]

Haven’t tried that one. Maybe someone else has

[native mesa]

Maybe its just a mario 64 thing

[vapid hawk]

what does up and down on the dpad even do in mario?

[native mesa]

maybe nothing

but left and right move him left and right

[vapid moat]

Summons Brian from ***** 64

[vapid hawk]

the left and right moving him might be the bug infact 😄

[blissful plaza]

Same on my M30.
Mario 64 needs an analog stick.

[vapid hawk]

does the m30 have a "dpad as analog stick" mode?

some pads do

[blissful plaza]

EDIT : I wasn't aware of the modes on the controller.

[native mesa]

Well left and right only is pretty doable on this bowser stage lol

[blissful plaza]

I'm using a Switch Pro Controller instead.

[hollow sparrow]

@orchid nimbus do i needed amodded pif file now or does normal pif work?

[vapid hawk]

it needs to be 1984 bytes

or, to be certain match the hashes on the faq

[native mesa]

Damn all my controllers with analog sticks are dead

[languid dune]

Yes it does.

[wanton sun]

no, the CPU is currently fully 64bit just like the original. only cache things and TLB are missing. I thought about limiting it 32bit early on but it turns out that 64bit nearly fits(about 85mhz or so, seems stable without issues), it's not worth it to do a 32bit version at this point, just to reach timing closure for the full 93mhz it runs at

[languid dune]

M30 controller mapping instructions:

**Yes, you can. The default mode of the DPad on this controller is as left analogue stick. You can also:
LEFT + Select : set Dpad as left analogue stick.
Up + Select : reset Dpad.
Right + Select : set Dpad as right analogue stick.
Down + Select : Swap A/B and X/Y mapping (on Switch mode only).
*Press and hold any of the key combinations above for 5 seconds to map the buttons.
LED will blink in red to indicate the success of each button mapping.
You need to reset the buttons manually.

[vapid hawk]

only on BT/wired presumably

wont work if you're doing the 2.4g de9 -> deamonbyte thing

[cerulean elk]

@weary palm where did you get the DK no expansion ram patch? @manic basin was looking for it

[cerulean elk]

Ooo

[bronze tree]

It looks so good already 🙂

[daring meteor]

Let's go, no texturing bugs

(At least beside the HUD here)

[cerulean elk]

When’s that build coming @wanton sun I feel like you are about to start doing hourly rbfs

[daring meteor]

(But that was the less problematic one haha)

[wanton sun]

mario kart menu is also clean now

[wanton sun]

i thought about telling you and teasing with screenshot, then upload next friday?

[daring meteor]

Hahaha

[manic basin]

Hehe. I'm just waiting for the commit. I don't mind Quartusing my own soldiers.

[cerulean elk]

Well lmk when it’s ready. THATS the next video. Those are the visual differences I can sell in side by sides (my fav method)

[wanton sun]

ok, 2 minutes?

[cerulean elk]

Average love making duration…got it

[manic basin]

What do you do with the extra 90 seconds?

[mild ether]

Apologize

[cerulean elk]

Keep saying “I swear that never happens”

[wanton sun]

writing some commit text

[manic basin]

"That was great baby. Now to properly document my register change...."
"Come back to bed!"
"I can't. The world needs this."

[storm void]

git commit -m "Awbacon just released a new video, time for a new core"

[cerulean elk]

Lol chasing tails here

[native mesa]

Holy shit

You fix Z order too?

[manic basin]

git dirty -dfx

<Bowchicka starts playing from the PC speaker>

[cerulean elk]

I won’t change tomorrows video. At best I’ll run a bonus video at 5 pm. Steam Deck vids are fun and an audience fav

[storm void]

Not from looking at the doors or stairway

[wanton sun]

no z-buffering yet

[manic basin]

I need to charge mine. Baldur's Gate is an actual honest reason to dust it off.

[cerulean elk]

And I won’t move Monday again. I gotta get back to Unported. My true love

[chilly ember]

I've been neglecting my steam deck for N64 testing lately

[cerulean elk]

My fav series to make is also my least viewed but I will never stop

[quick arch]

Thanks a lot !

[cerulean elk]

New build is up. So what @wanton sun shall I set a timer for 45 minutes for the next core update? 😂

[wanton sun]

nothing more today, sorry 😦

[cerulean elk]

Starting to seem like Dominos. 30 minutes or less!

[vapid hawk]

its starting to look a lot like n64 games

[cerulean elk]

How dare you? Only two core updates in one day 🤣 go relax. Have a beer. Take a hike. Grab a swim. It’s the weekend 🙂

(Ok also it’s probably dark in Germany so maybe just the beer)

[hearty python]

7 pm in Germany

[wanton sun]

only 7 pm, still clear day. But very hot and humid today, not nice to go out anyway

[opal quiver]

So great ! and So fast !:)

[vapid hawk]

when you add the trilinear-ish texture filtering, would it be simple to have an option for bilinear instead? might be a nice compromise

[storm void]

Three 😉 (there was a reset one too)

[wanton sun]

n64 isn't trilinear, it's cheap bilinear with only 3 instead of 4 samples

[cerulean elk]

Same but noon here. Gonna wait an hour and go to the beach. Air show weekend. See some fighter jets fly over Chicago. My fav weekend of the year is air and water show weekend

[wanton sun]

great, so it sounds you are feeling better now?

[cerulean elk]

As much as I love gaming and MiSTer nothing beats state of the art military technology pulling fucking loops right over the water. Love it

[cerulean elk]

Yes back to 100% except still can’t taste. But I’ll take it

[vapid hawk]

huh i always thought it was approximate trilinear but yeah you're right its approximate bilinear 😄

so you only need to downgrade the one you wrote already for psx?

[wanton sun]

it behaves different, but the filtering itself is rather easy to do. The bigger issue is to fetch the textures from texture ram

[orchid nimbus]

it needs to be modified 😛

the name needs to change to boot.rom

[vapid hawk]

don't they always have to be fetched to be drawn to the framebuffer anyway?

[wanton sun]

n64 manages to fetch 3 samples with adjacent addresses from the same memory (4kbyte) in 1 cycle, by splitting the memory up to 8 independent small memories

[hollow sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWUO44oadVM

[wanton sun]

at first it seems logical that more than 1 sample can be fetched, but filtering needs adjacent x/y samples, so it needs clever organizing to not have a address collision when fetching them

[vapid hawk]

oh right point filtering just fetches less texels

[daring meteor]

I think this today's earlier commit?

[wanton sun]

i could of course go the psx filtering way and just quadruple the texture ram 😅

[vapid hawk]

is this related to why people do er, texture swizzling i think its called?

like they rotate in memory for more optimal accesses

[wanton sun]

kind of. N64 rotates the lowest address bits in a weird way

[vapid hawk]

if you only need 3 samples can you "only" triple the texture ram?

[wanton sun]

that's the funny thing: it's only 3 point because of the ram limitation thing. The render pipeline actually can do 4 point. So if you by chance hit a texel that can fetch all 4 adjacent ones, it does 4 point filtering 🙃

[vapid hawk]

heh

i know some games actually rely on the 3 point to look right - doom64 famously

nightdive recreated it with a shader for their pc port

[wanton sun]

it only happens if you hit the center:

in this case all 4 adjacent texels can be fetched and will be filtered. Very rare case

i guess they only included it, because if you do 3 point in this situation it will be very weird

[vapid hawk]

yeah which 3 would you take heh

[zenith orchid]

Wow, perspective correction makes such a difference

[vapid hawk]

how tough was it to implement? i guess also congrats are in order i think its a first on mister right

[zenith orchid]

Is it also the first FPU on MiSTer?

[wanton sun]

i think there was a computer core from grabulosaure which also has one?

[pure ocean]

Copy this to media/fat/presets and in N64 core go to F12 OSD -> right key -> Video Processing -> Load Preset and select it. It looks much more like an N64 on my PVM then. Have fun.

[wanton sun]

let me be honest: i didn't research the algorithm, but took the basic math behind from Ares. However, implementing it in the core still needs to be improved. currently it's still missing timing slightly. Will improve that when LOD is added as i have to touch that function at this point anyway

[zenith orchid]

did the implementation slow things down noticeably?

[orchid nimbus]

my controller issues are back

I have no clue what's going on

[zenith orchid]

like the framerate?

[native mesa]

On this N64 noface patch is there any methodology for level selection? I assume there UI elements that are currently invisible

[vapid hawk]

ares has a patreon is people want to say thanks!
actually i don't think they do

[wanton sun]

no slowdown from that, it's part of the render pipeline. everything there is basically free of cost for the game. It only takes up space in the FPGA

[zenith orchid]

very nice!

[wanton sun]

the only thing that can have influence is when the render pipeline has to stall, e.g. to fetch from framebuffer or z-buffer

or when writing back pixels

[zenith orchid]

so z-buffer might slow things down then? since there would actually be a z-buffer to fetch from?

[vapid hawk]

wouldn't it speed things up since they can not be rendered?

[wanton sun]

yes could be, but could also improve speed as less pixels have to be written to the framebuffer

but as reads are slower than writes, it's probably slower

[solemn maple]

Portrait animations in star fox work much better in the latest build ❤️

[wanton sun]

keep in mind that the rdp is currently no bottleneck. RSP is typically slower to prepare the next triangle than the RDP needs to render it

only exception is single polygons filling a very large area

[hollow rune]

getting some food and will be back to test it

[zenith orchid]

yeah it's pretty amazing that essentially the RDP can goof around, but the system will still run and even go ingame

anyhow, congrats on the big update, really excited for z-buffer and raw texture modes

[native mesa]

Yeah great progress. Games are mostly playable even without zbuffer (if you know stages by heart)

[oblique remnant]

the street looks much better now 🙂 (Destruction Derby)

[native mesa]

I was able to get to the first boss in starfox 64

Even though the screen was mostly black

[orchid nimbus]

@wanton sun I think there is a bug in the stick reconfiguration (main menu) - the c-stick pushes multiple buttons at once. When I delete the reconfigure file everything works as expected though until I reconfigure.

[wanton sun]

c stick? i mapped them to buttons and it works fine

i'm not sure what happens if you use a stick for the c buttons

[chilly ember]

I used the second analog on ds4 and seemed to be fine

Haven't got a chance to test with latest build tho. Just yesterday's

[native mesa]

Same for DS3 worked fine

[pallid falcon]

Tempted to unbox my NSO N64 controller to see how much lag there is using this core

[native mesa]

Imagine a world where the control pads and sticks were primarily on the right side and buttons in the left

[viscid gate]

Yes I’ve been using ds4 right stick for c buttons and was fine. Only oddity was in an input test rom it shows button presses for all 4 controllers

[orchid nimbus]

I am not using this controller - just used as an example - it's that stick called the C-stick?

[wanton sun]

yes, the core currently does 4 controllers, all receiving the buttons from pad1

[vapid hawk]

the "C-stick" is the four yellow buttons

not a stick at all

[chilly ember]

C stick is a Gamecube thing

[vapid hawk]

yeah

[cerulean elk]

Why can’t I recognize this?

[pallid falcon]

When I tried an earlier version I used a fightstick, just because I had it set up

[viral swift]

Where exactly are you located? Same situation here in Paderborn, NRW. Unfortunately i HAVE to go to a Birthday with my Wife. 🫠

[oblique remnant]

Destruction Derby works pretty well so far 🙂

[native mesa]

How do you hold it

[chilly ember]

Upside down

[pallid falcon]

Two 'main' different ways to hold, depending on how you want to play the game (not that weird one above)

[rapid harbor]

Are z64 roms not working? Mine are zipped too. Does that matter?

[orchid nimbus]

I think I misunderstand what the c-stick was 🙂

[chilly ember]

This is the proper way

[pallid falcon]

I like how Nintendo advised people not to move the analogue controller with the palm of a hand when they released the NSO controller

I remember getting marks on my palm from playing Mario Party - the best way to spin, surely

[cerulean elk]

Ahh now I see it

[cerulean elk]

Would be useful for total recall

[vapid hawk]

i like how even what 20 years later people are still bamboozled by the n64 pad

it really isn't that complicated

[manic basin]

Clayfighter is super slow (you have to slowly input inputs) but it's playable.

[pallid falcon]

https://n64today.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/n64-controller-wrong-hold.jpg

What is this heresy

That looks uncomfortable

[oblique remnant]

Wave Race is now but still random crashes

[manic basin]

Gaht dang this game is voice acting royalty.

[vapid hawk]

has anyone actually ever made a serious guide for how to hold it, we could use one apparently

[daring meteor]

This is pretty obvious

[pure ocean]

How do you hold this one?

[vapid hawk]

thats a tandum n64 controller for 2 people 😛

[chilly ember]

Goldeneye/perfect dark controller

[cerulean elk]

Anyone got eyes on that no expansion pass DK 64 patch someone mentioned earlier?

[native mesa]

Trying to dk rap?

https://youtu.be/PugcxQYJGjs

[manic basin]

"If anyone shoots ANYONE it's gonna hurt!"

[pure ocean]

Wetrix (EU) is playable

[cerulean elk]

You know it!

[chilly ember]

Poor lanky Kong

[chilly ember]

The worst way to hold a N64 analog

[solemn maple]

Can we pin this image?

[native mesa]

I want to see N64 sticks modded like japanese arcade stick now

[chilly ember]

Everyone just lost the circle game

[solemn maple]

That image is from games done quick when they set the mario 64 any % world record

[native mesa]

What was freddy kreuger doing there

[pallid falcon]

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/-BQAAOSwdNFjnP0u/s-l1600.jpg

[native mesa]

Oh no

[pallid falcon]

Not a modded controller, but an attempt at an arcade stick for an N64

[native mesa]

That's a flight stick

[pallid falcon]

It's a "dual arcade stick"

[solemn maple]

Seems to be a regular ball stick on the left

[native mesa]

That might be kinda cool for starfox

[mild ether]

cursed GoldenEye controller.

[pallid falcon]

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fm4pzdaziv7g61.jpg

Or this... thing

[native mesa]

What is the second stick for

[pure ocean]

another candidate

[solemn maple]

One is probably d-pad

[native mesa]

What a terrible time period for peripherals

[pallid falcon]

Is the analogue control basically moving the top part with the buttons, etc? I hope it is, that would be amazing.

[native mesa]

Were they just trying to be different from Sony?

[native mesa]

Did patents prevent logical peripherals after dualshock?

[pure ocean]

for disabled people?

[bronze tree]

which game is this?

[chilly ember]

Yea I believe so, I've heard it's pretty awful to use

[oblique remnant]

Destruction Derby. You can crash in the game but can you crash the game ? 🙂

[mild ether]

iQUE just ripped off the Xbox duke.

[native mesa]

I will be sad to give up my air intake when I get rid of the N64 in favor of this core

[mild ether]

Is the thumb stick actually physically moving the controller around that base underneath?

[zenith orchid]

https://youtu.be/90ibFVjhkFk

[carmine kettle]

ayo that hood is awesome

[zenith orchid]

what an upgrade though

[pure ocean]

dunno. I've never seen those. Just searched for pictures.

[nova grotto]

Diddy Kong Racing first logo boots in the new core

[viscid gate]

You can get into race in Wipeout but not much is visible other than the engine flare 🙂

I think I mentioned before, the iQue version of FZero X can be played but it’s like using the force…

[quick arch]

Yesterday and Today

[oblique remnant]

Wayne made also Progress 🙂

[native mesa]

Is that a nude beech

[quick arch]

No. The demo CaribbeanNights.v64 is available on Pouet

[native mesa]

The rasta witch seems culturally inappropriate

Lol

[nova grotto]

No Mischief Makers progress at all unfortunately

[bronze tree]

Dr. Mario plays its annoying music and you can see the pills drop (but the rest of the pills are black so it's not playable)

[cerulean elk]

It’s like a guessing game of “what’s that game”…and I can’t tell lol

[quick arch]

It is a demo

[eternal island]

expert mode. gotta remember where every block lands. 👍

and i suppose which color..

[cerulean elk]

That explains it

[nova grotto]

Mario Kart 64 do not freezes if the intro is not skipped

[orchid nimbus]

@pure ocean feel free to come up with a solution and patch

[quick arch]

Playing for the moment is too early so demo is great for checking the evolution of the core

[languid dune]

Pokemon Puzzle League's menus are looking clean now!

Also, I shall morn the loss of the prison stripes castle in Mario 64.

[orchid nimbus]

Mario kart is the best for checking progress

[languid dune]

Sadly, Puzzle League's actual gameplay still takes place in the cold darkness of space.

So much progress in just the last few days. Love to see it.

[quick arch]

tested it and finish the second track (with black road not easy) but it hangs. Need to try one time again to see if I can see track 3.

[native mesa]

I loved the lighting of the final bowser it was so 90s

[solemn maple]

I got to track 3 today

[quick arch]

do you have a screenshot ?

[solemn maple]

No, sadly I don't.

And I exited the course by accident cause I paused and the pause menu was invisible and apparently I choose to exit the cup 😜

[quick arch]

ok 😦 I will try again to be the first one to win a cup 🙂

[chrome quest]

Messing around just now. On the earlier of today's cores for what it's worth

[solemn maple]

Moo-moo farm you can thankfully still see the fence so it was not too hard to get 1st place

[blissful plaza]

I had the chance to finish the first cup 2 days ago, but it crashed when the fanfare begun.

[hollow rune]

Upon me sharing this news with my family, my mom said, "What happened to my Princess Peach Castle that looked like this?"

[chrome quest]

Nice looking track 4 train! Sadly crashed just after this screenshot

[weary palm]

So this core will run at 85MHz tops?

[quick arch]

track 3 🙂

[native mesa]

I think it's interesting how framerates are high in sm64 momentarily at the beginning of a stage

[orchid nimbus]

@quick arch save state is your friend

[lament escarp]

Also the outside of the castle is mostly rendered, but the first level, where the fps drop, is a black pit of despair.

[native mesa]

It's still rendered. Just blackness covers all

[quick arch]

Track 4 🙂

[hollow rune]

Is face skip still required?

[manic basin]

I think so,

[native mesa]

Yes

[quick arch]

Trains are visible !

[daring meteor]

Its "overclocked"

[quick arch]

it crashes ...

[native mesa]

Anyone able to get in game for Mystical Ninja? I can't get pass memory card promot

[languid dune]

So what causes Mario Kart 64's menus to not work properly (like the two middle options not being selectable)? What function on the N64 affects things like that that is missing currently?

[blissful plaza]

I could go to the end of the in-game intro, after the hawk flying.

But the game crashes after that.

[languid dune]

Same

[lament escarp]

Afaik face skip is because stretchy face mario is a tlb thing, and tlb will be implemented pretty much as the last thing, so for the forseeable future the patch will be required

[cerulean elk]

Never won’t be weird to see fighter jets in Chicago

[lament escarp]

I'm in Europe, if I'd see fighter jets it'd be worse^^

[languid dune]

I wanna flyyy sky hiiiigh! Blue blue skiiiies! Blue blue skiiiies I seee! 🎶

[lament escarp]

Can you hear ace combat music? If so, seek shelter!

[languid dune]

I used to work in a high rise in downtown Milwaukee, and the air show jets would fly very close to our building.

[native mesa]

Blue Angels?

[lament escarp]

I have to visit the us someday and watch some air show or something.

[languid dune]

Yeah

We've also had the Thunderbirds.

[native mesa]

Yeah I'm Cleveland we get the same rotation

[languid dune]

I also had a seagull often visit me at the window next to my desk and stare into my soul for like an hour.

[native mesa]

I bet it had plastic in it's stomach

[languid dune]

Correct. Delicious plastic!

We call them garbage birds because they eat anything.

[chilly ember]

Flying rats

[native mesa]

Now I'm watching videos of seagulls eating strange things

[hollow rune]

There is a live cam of bears in Alaska, who have tons of seagulls around cause the bears don't eat the entire salmon in spawning season, only the head and insides. One of the bears is named Gully, because one time he ate a sea gull. There is a video of this, as well as one of him using a dead salmon to bait a seagull to get closer.

[cerulean elk]

Haha point taken

[cerulean elk]

🤣 nice

[chrome quest]

Updated to newest core. MK64 crash at the train again. Almost can beat the Mushroom Cup

[languid dune]

I want to play flower and star cups!

Their elusiveness only makes me want to play them more!

[chrome quest]

Special too? Insta crash for me as D.K.'s Jungle Parkway starts

[chilly ember]

I wonder how much rainbow road would render, if it's enough to try and do a skip

[languid dune]

At least we can select Special Cup!

[chrome quest]

Special cup will play in 4 player turns out...m

Spoke to soon. Was playable for a little before crashing though. No long enough to slowly get 4 differing handling characters around 3 laps 🤣

[mild ether]

You can play Jungle Parkway on iQUE version.

[chrome quest]

Was just testing the earlier revision ROM. No difference there

[mild ether]

Oh!

[cerulean elk]

Interesting

[visual forge]

Should you use big endian or byteswapped roms?

[vagrant ivy]

doesnt matter

the new mister main will work with both

[visual forge]

Does it support memory expansion pak?

[mild ether]

Never played Mario kart really before this so maybe you could beat that race to get to the other special cup races in that version?

[chilly ember]

Bowser is blasting off again

[cerulean elk]

Radioactive bowser

[chilly ember]

Did it crash there?

[mellow path]

I have not tried the n64 adapter, but I can confirm that the MayFlash WiiU adapter works quite well for a gc controler.

[languid dune]

I was just able to get into a race in Snowboard Kids. Went a little ways down the course and it eventually froze up.

[chrome quest]

Oh yeah. Usually well before I can get one hit in

[chilly ember]

I managed to grab the tail on yesterday's build but crashed before I could throw him

[chrome quest]

Come on muscle memory. Where am I positioned....

[mild ether]

Lodgenet version of Mario Kart 64 also doesn't crash on special cup.

[chilly ember]

I saw a lodge net console once in the early 2000s, I never got to try it though because it was stupid expensive to play

[orchid nimbus]

Including the infamous sample no doubt

[fallen sparrow]

They're jetting home to their MiSTer's

[orchid nimbus]

Rotate and zoom

[orchid nimbus]

Enhance and show from above

[zinc dew]

Eat that fly boys

[vagrant ivy]

Chinese spy Balloon

[chilly ember]

Practicing for pilot wings when it runs on the core

[zinc dew]

The superior hot air balloon has landed, just like it lands in mario raceway

[fallen sparrow]

My local park bench

[weak sierra]

Is there a way to get the bios file? I don’t like asking but I can’t seem to find the .PIF files anywhere

[zinc dew]

I managed to be both off-topic and on-topic at the same time, witness me!

[vagrant ivy]

Google is the way. Asking for the Rom is Forbidden on the Server

[fallen sparrow]

No way

[weak sierra]

I do apologise, I’ll try harder

[mild ether]

NFL Blitz almost looks playable if I could navigate the menus.

[zinc dew]

Sorry friend, but thanks for understanding

[fallen sparrow]

Try searching

"[BIOS] Nintendo 64 - PIF (Japan, USA)"

A friend may have ARCHIVED it

[zinc dew]

[cerulean elk]

Really in Chicago it’s Mothman sightings

[orchid nimbus]

https://vampier.net/N64/ this toasty webpage might have a link for which you are looking

[zinc dew]

[orchid nimbus]

It’s an indirect link - don’t freak out lol

[zinc dew]

yah I’m trolling

sorry lol

[fallen sparrow]

Robby's troll level is 9000

[visual forge]

Wow, Destruction derby 64 is actually playable

[fallen sparrow]

Legit good.

[visual forge]

The frame rate is really low, though

[zinc dew]

Speaking of @orchid nimbus’s site (thanks again for doing that), do you think that n64 text list will be needed for the full core or can that stuff be automatically accounted as part of the core?

I ask because of that Neo Geo text that’s part of that core so there’s precedent.

[weak sierra]

Reminds me of PSX testing this does, lol

[little socket]

No, the sweatshop hasn't opened yet

[quick arch]

Some skiing 🙂

[mild ether]

really impressive how many games run so far.

Sadly Vivid Dolls isn't one of them.. 😭

[vagrant ivy]

you do seem strangely obsessed with a Porn Game on the N64

[mild ether]

Porn? Don't disparage the fine ladies in Vivid Dolls. It's lewd only.

[zinc dew]

I’m half amused by it to be honest. Like I’m expecting them to be the first person to find out it’s working.

[vague sun]

This should hold everyone off https://www.twitch.tv/owlnonymous/clip/StrongTsundereDuckDatSheffy

[wanton sun]

no it runs at full clock speed, but doesn't fulfill timing for it. So it's a gamble that our misters are faster than Altera says. Basically the same like Ao486, but much less "overclock". We could always go lower with the clock if it proves to be unstable because of that, but so far i haven't seen that

[mild ether]

Pretty soon we will have two fine lewd drawing puzzle games on MiSTer with Gals Panic SS on Saturn and Vivid Dolls on N64.

[vague sun]

BTW, you do not get any super bonus or showtime if you 99% all of the stages on the game. Huge dissappointment

You do get to see every showtimes when you collect 3x 99%s though

I mean... that's what I've heard at least

[drowsy lantern]

So is there a suitable N64 USB wired controller replica to use with the core out there? I see some cheap-ass ones on Amazon but they look flimsy, and don’t have rumble from the looks of it. I wish 8bitdo would make a replica, their controllers are absolutely top-tier.

[weak sierra]

I’ve got the Tribute64 wireless which isn’t bad from Retro-Bit

[vagrant ivy]

8bitdo do an upgrade kit for a real N64 controller. So buy a broken N64 controller and fit the upgrade kit

https://shop.8bitdo.com/products/8bitdo-mod-kit-for-original-n64-controller

[carmine kettle]

when define control c stick doesnt register

[carmine kettle]

this what im using through wired

[weak sierra]

Comes with 2.4 USB adapter and OG 2.4 adapter too

[chilly ember]

This is what I got coming, bought a couple broken controllers on ebay for like 10 bucks

[carmine kettle]

pretty awesome controller

[vague sun]

I'm just using a PS3 controller

[weak sierra]

I’m just testing for now with a 8bitdo Pro 2, I’ll set up this controller when the core develops more

Hurrah!

[junior pine]

Try the Flycast core in GNU/Linux, set the output to VULKAN, AND set only two buffers.
That way it's physically impossible that you get more input lag than a real Dreamcast has, on the same display.

[fallen sparrow]

Only device I have with Linux is the Deck

[languid dune]

lol, so it's a Qix clone!?

[fallen sparrow]

I'll give it a shot at some point

[languid dune]

I managed to beat the secret stage 1 boss in Star Fox 64. Surprisingly hard to get to it when you can barely see the arches in the water section. 😅

Sadly, the game crashed after that, so I couldn't play Sector Y.

[chilly ember]

Follow me fox

[mild ether]

Yes it's a Qix clone but it's more of a clone of Gals Panic series except without those chinese cartoon characters.

[weak sierra]

Check your g-defuser system

[narrow ruin]

Wetrix basically runs alright!
almost feel like i could get into game on Mystical ninja with more button mashing but not sure yet 😛

[languid dune]

He didn't check it!

[weak sierra]

Lol

[languid dune]

Somethings wrong with the G-defuser!

That Falco. Arrogant piece of 💩 .

[mild ether]

I was just going to say that! Wetrix is very stable and playable.

Just missing some of the polish on the graphics.

[weak sierra]

Lots of crashes so far, San-Francisco Rush, just for the music is great

It’s great to see, enjoy the testing phase

[native mesa]

I think it's a diffuser. Like it diffuses G forces. That's my interpretation anyway

Not defuse like a bomb

[junior pine]

What I am trying to say is that the problem with input lag on Dreamcast emulation is bad OS, bad API, bad video/audio drivers... not emulation itself

[native mesa]

But also they had their legs amputated to combat g forces.

[chilly ember]

Falco has one of those oil diffusers in his ship

[weak sierra]

Mario Kart was fun, I overtook the black square whilst the back square smashed me into the black square next to the black square trying to overtake the black square

[mild ether]

Asteroids gets in game with shadow asteroids and ship and you can play a little before it crashes.

[wanton sun]

best track in the game...well maybe together with the desert. difficult without z-buffer but well worth it 🙂

[mild ether]

Where is the list for the error codes? E0004

[native mesa]

How does the game determine render order without z buffer? Last in first out?

[wanton sun]

yes

[wanton sun]

in the readme: https://github.com/RobertPeip/Mister64/

[mild ether]

Thank you.

[wanton sun]

it's bit 2, so it should be a reproducible hang in the game you tried

[zenith orchid]

So excited for z-buffer!

that'll be a... game changer

[wanton sun]

while driving rainbow road(booooring) i had some idea: could be that the track and menu select in mk64 doesn't work because the core emulates all 4 pads with the same buttons. Need to try a build where pad2-4 do nothing

[zenith orchid]

I see how that could be problematic

@wanton sun would you consider adding faux mouse support? so a USB mouse functions like the analogue stick? it might be cool for FPSes and StarCraft64

[wanton sun]

no idea if that works well, but i guess the real mouse could be added?

i see, markun is already interested 🙂

[zenith orchid]

@wanton sun It was only released for N64DD for Mario Paint 64 😂

I don't think any other games support it

[bronze tree]

I watched a video where someone tested the mouse with a lot of games... not great 😄

[zenith orchid]

the official N64 mouse?

or a desktop mouse and an N64 emulator?

[bronze tree]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38u010d02E8

official mouse

[zenith orchid]

Ah yes

[bronze tree]

but yes, I agree it would be nice to have an option to use the mouse for some of the controls

but let's wait and see how much space there is left after the important stuff is implemented 🙂

[zenith orchid]

hey if it works well in N64, maybe it'll work in the PSX core, for games that didn't support the PSX mouse

[chilly ember]

I believe the mouse buttons are mapped to a and b so wouldn't be great. Trying to beat mario 64 with a ball mouse would interesting tho

[blissful plaza]

Possible.
I've seen a strange bug earlier with Extreme-G when I tried to validate my motorcycle.
I had a second player and the split screen which were activating when pressing the A button there.
Like if a second player arrived (here comes a new challenger).
Same with Clayfighter, you move the two characters on screen, mirrored on moves.

[zenith orchid]

This could actually work on MiSTer, because if you use mouse and keyboard, you can bind the buttons however you wish

[little socket]

mouse with the n64 5-20fps must feel awful

[zenith orchid]

I think N64 mouse would've been more useful if you can plug the mouse and the controller into the same port

so you still have a start button when you need it

maybe some kind of a Y adapter

PSX did it right, you would plug the mouse into the second port iirc

[wanton sun]

yes, it was the reason:

can select any cup/setting now

[blissful plaza]

Yes!

[zenith orchid]

🙌

[weary palm]

hiii huh

[old vortex]

Collected my first star in Mario 64 on the core today, thought I'd try out the Princess's Secret Slide afterwards. Nope, the whole thing is invisible. Just a bit too much challenge there.

[wanton sun]

could be i fixed the random hang in mk64, mario64 and wave race where the music just continues. played 5 minutes waverace, got 4 stars in mario and completed whole last cup in mk64

[old vortex]

What was causing it (if it's worth explaining)?

[wanton sun]

only have a build with signaltap and very bad timing. Will clean it up and upload tomorrow

already late here

[blissful plaza]

You're doing overtime.

[wanton sun]

RDP was waiting forever for new data, but didn't tell the RSP that it's still waiting. So the RSP was waiting for the RDP to finish, but it could not

classical deadlock

mario kart 64 still hang up after completing the cup, but could be that it was due to eeprom. I forgot to set it. It's not automatically set currently. Need to try again tomorrow

(my fault, markun sets it but i don't evaluate it yet)

[weary palm]

Mario 64 was a bit weird because the music kept playing with the reset button pressed. 🙂

On a real N64 that is.

[hollow rune]

I did not know that

[weary palm]

At least the PAL version.

I think all versions work like that.

@bronze tree Can you please make the search for N64-database.txt case-insensitive? Perhaps even allow only database.txt? 🙂 It's in the N64 games folder so there's kind of a redundancy in the filename.

[bronze tree]

Maybe 🙂

But also time to sleep over here

[weary palm]

It's 23:51 here

so, yeah, me too

[devout leaf]

Got my Hall Effect sticks. Feels real good and smooth. My Pokémon controller will keep the original. Not like I use it though.

[sharp ermine]

Is this the 8 bit do one?

[devout leaf]

Yep just got it a few days ago.

[mild ether]

They put Nintendo branding on them?

[chilly ember]

Noo it's just a kit you swap into a real controller/shell

[hearty python]

You have to use the old original case and buttons

[devout leaf]

Yeah this controller had a real rough stick so I swapped it out.

[mild ether]

Oh! I was going to say that's awfully brave of them to challenge such a litigious company.

[devout leaf]

After two bleachings that was the cleanest I could get that controller. Have an SNES and NES to fix and man they look ROUGH

[mild ether]

The Chinese don't even mess around with Nintendo.

I got one of the new production N64 controllers and honestly it isn't that bad for what I paid.

[devout leaf]

There was an extremist group in another country in the 2000s using Mickey Mouse as their mascot. Disney actually contacted them and they stopped. No one crosses the House of Mouse either.

[mild ether]

The Chinese ones

Yup, they are another company like that.

[chilly ember]

I'm thinking I'm gonna put the kit in my purple translucent shell when I get mine

[devout leaf]

I buy thrift crap and fix it up lol. The desk in front of me has a Dreamcast and two Xboxs torn apart on it.

So a lot of my stuff starts as junk

[chilly ember]

I got one those cheap Chinese ones years ago and the analog is awful

[mild ether]

I thought there would be drift on the analog stick and this one at least seems fine.

[chilly ember]

One I got years ago, the stick is extremely stiff

[mild ether]

It definitely isn't Nintendo quality but works as a spare.

[weary palm]

I'd love me some stiff stick ❤️

[hearty oar]

Have you got results from the stick tester?

[devout leaf]

I haven't used it. Feels good playing games so that's all I need.

[hearty oar]

Just keen to see how it compares to stock, n64 stick is peculiar and most replacements don’t quite conform to how the original worked

[mild ether]

Must live somewhere where it's free to recycle electronics? It killed thrifting for stuff like that here when they started to charge to recycle.

[devout leaf]

Oh I can check for you. Is it just a test rom?

[chilly ember]

This is mostly what I'm worried about, I'll swap the stick back to original if I don't like the hall effect

[devout leaf]

Yeah only big stuff gets charged I think.

[hearty oar]

Yeah, one like this: https://github.com/sanni/controllertest/tree/master/N64-Port

[devout leaf]

Original should go 4-5 more in each direction but not to bad. Way more uniform than my original controllers.

[hearty oar]

That’s pretty good, yeah

Importantly it isn’t right out like some of the other third party sticks I’ve seen

[devout leaf]

Yeah some of them are bad lol

All in all I recommend this. Feels good and not worrying about drift is nice.

Reason I hate using Joycons. Always worried I'll kill em lol

[chilly ember]

Looks better than some of my oem sticks

[hearty oar]

Thanks for testing!

[fiery ruin]

Hi everyone. Does N64_20230819_2.rbf replace N64_CIC.rbf?

[cerulean elk]

It supercedes it

[fiery ruin]

Thank you

[cerulean elk]

So you don’t have to REPLACE the file but this does “replace” the need to use the CIC version

Sorry not sure how you are asking 🙂

[hearty oar]

I mean I would probably only want to keep one around to avoid confusion…

[fiery ruin]

Yep, got it. Thanks.

[cerulean elk]

👍

[fiery ruin]

I bought a Nintendo Switch Online N64 controller yesterday, in anticipation for this core. Amazing to see how far and fast it's being developed.

[zenith orchid]

oh wow, that rsp/rdp deadlock fix could fix a ton of hangs

[chilly ember]

Curious if can finish a bowser level if it doesn't crash before the end

[zenith orchid]

does the game crash to bits, or does it simply stall?

[chilly ember]

I can't say for certain, I never looked into the error code and I can't say I remember the code either

[dreamy kayak]

blegh, i followed all the intructions and still i'm getting auto-detect failed.

[zenith orchid]

but did the game freeze and become unresponsive? or did you see or hear a bunch of artifacts?

[chilly ember]

Froze and unresponsive

[zenith orchid]

then it might be fixed by this, since it sounds like a hang

it'll be worth checking tomorrow for sure

[hollow rune]

I had this too

[chilly ember]

Yxkalle will probably beat me to it :p

[hollow rune]

I can;t remember the solution

[chilly ember]

It's an issue with the txt I assume?

[hollow rune]

i think I actually had roms that were empty files and didn't notice

[dreamy kayak]

my roms all work

[zenith orchid]

@wanton sun you're probably asleep right now, but when you get this, please let me know if there's a way to know if a TLB call was made using software emulation. We might be able to use that method to determine which games make a TLB call either during the boot screens, or when trying to go in game. This way we can know not to test those games until you start working on TLB

And hey maybe this information can also be used to determine which games might be hackable to skip the TLB call in a similar fashion to the no_face hack

[mild ether]

Use a N64 emulator with a debugger.

Looks like someone already made a module for Ghidra and probably a processor module for IDA pro also but I don't recall.

Take the patched SM64 and a unpatched rom and load them up and compare the disassembly and you should have some good clues.