I cut most sports games tho... don't care about having madden 99 2000 2001 2002 2003....
Or NHL 99 2000 2001 2002.......
Etc
#Nintendo 64
latent dagger
or any basketball or soccer games
can cut out a lot of garbo games that were made just to be bargain bin $5 type games at walmart
cutout any games that just don't tickle your fancy like maybe life/farming simulators
I could probably fit every game I would want in a PS2 collection on 1TB
at least to start, then after playing and trying some of them out and figuring out which ones I just don't like/are garbage it'll get slimmed down further lol
hearty oar
I really just want Ace Combat and Armoured Core games…
frail jolt
I could probably fit every game I would want in a PS2 collection on 1TB
Agreed. But the price difference between a 1 and 2tb when I finally upgraded to sata... was like $10.... so I went bigger and just slimmed the library to below 2TB
languid dune
I really just want Ace Combat and Armoured Core games…
Nice, I've been playing through the Ace Combat series recently. Played through the six numbered games and Zero, and I'm currently making my way through Ace Combat 7 now on my PS5.
latent dagger
I would use an SSD. The price difference is more like doubled
a Silicon Power A55 goes from $34 for 1TB up to $63 for 2TB. that's almost double
it's not a waste of money when you don't have to deal with moving mechanical parts of an HDD and can just leave it there without worrying about HDD rot
hearty oar
Nice, I've been playing through the Ace Combat series recently. Played through t...
AC7 is absolute 🔥. I can hear the soundtrack now
latent dagger
choosing an SSD isn't always about speeds
devout leaf
Less heat and electricity too
zinc dew
it’s their money 
latent dagger
if you want to do apples to oranges comparisons, a 2TB HDD would be about $50 whereas the SSD is about $63 and $13 isn't a big deal for the better realiability and longevity
what?
what adapter?
you mean the same SATA adapter you would use for an HDD?
bruh
zinc dew
Well the N64 game library doesn’t take up a lot of space
latent dagger
lol
Robby knowing full well we're talking about PS2 right now but trying to shift things back to N64
I am NOT going out of my way to buy an IDE drive. that's dumb
talk about a waste of money
hearty oar
Way to try and derail things Robby, what do you think this is, a core-specific channel
Unrelated, but maybe the ps2 chat should actually move to #misc-hardware …
zinc dew
imagine everyone laughing at Nintendo for not using discs and now everyone’s back to solid state media
Damn, Nintendo was right all along huh
zinc dew
I am?
latent dagger
Seeing as how games are starting to ship on disc with only a launcher/installer and you have to download it now anyways, I can see a future where the games are sold on little flash cards instead that have just enough space for that
stoic parcel
No
languid dune
I will protect you Robby. 💪
zinc dew
I mean yes of course
languid dune
I am the anti batty. I love you all.
hearty oar
Don’t worry, bit rot will come for carts eventually too
latent dagger
languid dune
It's only a matter of time before our valuable classic games go from being worth $5,000 to $0 from the dreaded bit rot...
latent dagger
the shells and boards will still be worth money to collectors who want to retrofit a custom flashed rom board or something
languid dune
Nice. So my copy of Shantae for the GBC shall forever be worth something.
latent dagger
yes
zinc dew
Nice. So my copy of Shantae for the GBC shall forever be worth something.
lol we Shantae bros?
is gewd gaem
languid dune
Still have all the packaging and papers in like new condition.
latent dagger
so... CIB
zinc dew
oh damn I just have the cart lol
stoic parcel
is gewd gaem
Jake does good muzikz
languid dune
oh damn I just have the cart lol
Fake Shantae fan detected.
stoic parcel
Ive got jake's chiptune album in nsf format. Really nice in the nes core
zinc dew
I know the Bozons does that count
languid dune
zinc dew
nice limited run copy
zinc dew
Lol
languid dune
Robby banned himself!
latent dagger
I have the Limited Run collectors edition of Scott Pilgrim
it's the only thing from them I own
hearty oar
Ah yes, when a bootleg isn’t a bootleg
latent dagger
I wonder if the limited run version is made using the exact same type of chip setup as original games or if they are doing the aftermarket ROM style
zinc dew
I assume the latter
hearty oar
It’s only a reproduction if it’s made by Limited Run Games, otherwise it’s just a sparkling bootleg
latent dagger
they claim it has the unreleased saving bug fix, and a language select screen.
stoic parcel
I wonder when trip world dx will ship, speaking of lrg
zinc dew
I wonder when trip world dx will ship, speaking of lrg
Did you order that?
latent dagger
limited run is making a killing off of FOMO lol
stoic parcel
Perhaps in one of the multiverses. In this one i dont want physical media
zinc dew
Yeah, it’s why I’m so excited for the N64 core. Don’t need people dropping hundos for random carts.
now everyone can enjoy…
checks notes
zinc dew
Clayfighter 63 1/3
twin barn
I have an n64 and only one cart, krikzz's top of the line everdrive for it.
zinc dew
Congrats we saved gaming
latent dagger
oh sick, the Castlevania Advance Collection has a PC variant... can't wait to pirate I mean, totally and legitimately get ahold of a copy
stoic parcel
Trip world dx and over obj plz
zinc dew
I have an N64 and nearly 200 games, where were you people when I needed you?!
hearty oar
Keen for someone to dump the latter…
Seeing as they don’t want my money for a legitimate rom
stoic parcel
Can of worms.. but yeah I just dont want physical media anymore
hearty oar
It’s not like I even have any kind of NES or Famicom to even play a real cart
stoic parcel
Low supply
I happily paid $15 for a micro mages rom when it was new
I think it was $15 anyway. Been a while
elfin relic
low supply but I can't even pin down where little sound was selling it
deft tree
I have an n64 and only one cart, krikzz's top of the line everdrive for it.
twinsies
I yard saled my childhood n64 when i was in like 9th or 10th grade
hearty oar
I still have my super cool childhood PAL N64 cart collection - mercifully the everdrive actually lets you play at 60hz (with imperceptibly off timings, or so I've been told) on a PAL console
oblique remnant
I still have my super cool childhood PAL N64 cart collection - mercifully the ev...
I always thougt each n64 game will run at its coded region hz output?! If you used an adapter I mean but not sure how the everdrive handles that with custom CIC
hearty oar
right, so on my PAL n64 if I run an NTSC game from my everdrive it will run at 60hz - the only issue being that it's a weird PAL 60 signal, so it works fine on eg, a consumer TV, or via the retrotink, but on my PVM I get horizontal ghosting cause it's in PAL colour space but yeah at 60hz which is apparently not something my PVM is able to cope with, at least not via composite
it would probably work fine on an RGB modded system with external csync
restive cove
I Compiled it but how do you compile pif.ntsc.rom Bios file
native mesa
Crispy
quick arch
I Compiled it but how do you compile pif.ntsc.rom Bios file
you just need to rename it boot.rom
restive cove
I Compiled N64.rbf but cant find the pif file at all where is it?
remote hatch
this file you must obtain yourself\
silent marten
I Compiled N64.rbf but cant find the pif file at all where is it?
Google is your friend 🙂
restive cove
I found the bios too
orchid nimbus
All 2Kb of it lol
twin barn
I yard saled my childhood n64 when i was in like 9th or 10th grade
yup, similar story for me here, i gave it to a friend when i was 17, i only had a couple games for it anyways
worn delta
I ran through the gigaleak roms, if anyone is interested in where we are at with them I logged here the ones that boot and the ones that don't but give an error code. Most of the tech demos just give a black screen or some glitched graphics but no error code. A few do show a test result though
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1H4KYg0gsOWGayioXKSETtlM7d7g3Tk4w0QXqtXvugG8/edit#gid=1091751156
deft tree
yup, similar story for me here, i gave it to a friend when i was 17, i only had ...
I had a good chunk of the heavy hitters. I’ve had fun replaying a bunch of stuff, and I’ve gotten a ton of time in on Smash remix with friends
Shadows of the Empire, Starfox, Mario 64, Mario Kart etc
uncut gyro
I love when the community self-organizes like this!
weary palm
My favorite 1984 byte file.
native mesa
I can't wait to be able to play N64 games dither free
If anyone knows of a way to now on original hardware I'd love to know
wanton sun
any cheat device that can write registers/memory addresses should be ok. Or vsync routine patched
it's really only 1 write to a specific address to turn it off
bit 16 DEDITHER_FILTER_ENABLE: Dedither Enable bit
assuming this is what you want(not sure)
sorry, this only removes the dedithering, which will blur the image. Disabling dithering in the first place is a GPU command and would have to patched for every draw call....
have mistaken it with AA disable
native mesa
Yeah disabling the AA and filtering makes the dithering very apparent. Especially in starfox
wanton sun
just ignore me today, i'm awake since 3am, shouldn't do anything with my brain anymore 😅
native mesa
Oh please don't rack your brain on this one. It's more of a fun discussion thing
wanton sun
i wrote before thinking, which is always a bad idea. I should just lay myself in front of the TV and fall asleep, haha
native mesa
Most games seem to use Bayer or Magic Square which look pretty awful when upscaled on modern displays (when dither filter [blur] is disabled)
wanton sun
yes, the dithering effect is pretty strong. But without dithering the banding is too strong. I guess in the end it will be the same as with PSX: add some upscaling filter to blur it out or the internal de-dither blur
mellow raft
Good music
Also we should collectively plan to set all our avatars to the notable face so Kitrinx can wake up in horror
woeful grove
I think I can set people's avatars. Maybe I can make a bot to help
mellow raft
that would be absolutely amazing
brisk drum
I am Brian!
inner bronze
Im afraid the core will be done by next april fools
deft tree
I’m Brian for this core be finished
brisk drum
I’m Spartacus and also Brian
remote hatch
no gif no gif , be strong 
topaz otter
Quake 2 remaster is out
It was on the n64 so it counts as on topic
Also quake 2 64 is also included so its double on topic
hearty oar
I always enjoyed the levels, weapons and enemy designs of Q1 more - I went back to play the path traced Q2 and found it to be not quite as engaging
viral wadi
Quake 3 arena is where it's at
hearty oar
Speaking of which, keen to see how this compares to that version
You would think that there’s not much point remastering graphics when you know, we have a path traced version of the game…you can’t really do much better than that…
vapid hawk
yeah same i can't really imagine how you'd do much better than the path traced one
then again they did a pretty nice job with quake1 iirc
languid dune
Yeah, playing right now 😆
Also just finished a quick play session with it. Really good on my PS5. 4K 120fps!
viral wadi
Deku deku
quaint rune
Deku deez nuts
native mesa
Oot isn't widscreen what is this blasphemy
viral wadi
This better?
remote hatch
This better?
hearty oar
This better?
The button prompt on the screen is telling you what to do
viral wadi
1st screenshot was actually 4:3. Second is widescreen obviously lol
sullen harbor
Playing the enhanced version of Quake 2 on steam and they included Quake 2 64 as a campaign
zinc dew
Also quake 2 64 is also included so its double on topic
I was a big advocate for N64 in the Quake 1 rerelease so I’m glad to see they kept that going.
Surprised by the Nightdive player banners with references to Blood, System Shock, and even Chip’s Challenge
vapid hawk
oh nightdive did it?
zinc dew
Yah
vapid hawk
i'm not sure they've ever done anything bad
system shock only came out a few months back 😮
zinc dew
Blade Runner Enhanced Edition was pretty shit
They screwed that one up
But that’s all I can think of
vapid hawk
system shock was awesome, loved it
devout leaf
Blade Runner Enhanced Edition was pretty shit
The history of Blade Runner is just so many editions. Love that they added a weird ending for one of them.
zinc dew
The history of Blade Runner is just so many editions. Love that they added a wei...
Haha that is neat
vapid hawk
have nightdive ever made an original title?
zinc dew
Nope, don’t think so
but they do a good job remaking games
the N64 version of Quake 2 is pretty different, worth checking out imo
stoic parcel
People like Quake 2?
plush summit
Quake 2's multiplayer overshadowed the campaign
zinc dew
Yeah, pretty much. Campaign was really lackluster. Boring level design imo. But the engine updates and MP were amazing.
plush summit
MSN Zone lobbies and mods bro
vapid hawk
i replayed the quake2 campaign recently on a voodoo3
zinc dew
But having it on the N64 was pretty cool though. I actually played the campaign there on top of being a big fan on PC.
vapid hawk
it was more impressive at the time, scripting, set pieces, mission objectives etc, were kind of all new
it was kind of the template for hundreds of shooters that came after so now it seems generic
zinc dew
yeah hilariously so
stoic parcel
This all sounds quite dreadful.
I think I'll play Blood instead.
vapid hawk
blood is great!
stoic parcel
🤯
vapid hawk
i literally couldn't believe you said that lol
blood is kind of in the duke nukem 3d vein of shooters but more refined and awesome
and there's that one amazing fan made expansion for it too
stoic parcel
#general-banter filled with gif spam, Robby in the n64 lounge shooting the shit
vapid hawk
i don't even read #general-banter anymore since the segal tide came in
topaz otter
People like Quake 2?
it started the trend of brown textures and bald grunting space marines shooting monsters in space
zinc dew
<#647909398072655907> filled with gif spam, Robby in the n64 lounge shooting the...
Yeah, General and Offtopic it’s generally allowed
But I’ll go check
stoic parcel
Yeah, General and Offtopic it’s generally allowed
You're generally allowed.
burns down N64 channel while Robby chases the red herring
vapid hawk
soldier of fortune on the quake2 engine is a more interesting playthrough i find
topaz otter
I'm personally not a fan of quake 2, its boring to me, I prefer the atmosphere of quake 1 and the musical stylings of Mr. Trenton Reznor
but thats just me
sonic mayhem is alright
zinc dew
soldier of fortune on the quake2 engine is a more interesting playthrough i find
Yeah, Quake 1 > Quake 2
That’s official id stance too lol shhh
topaz otter
but yeah this remaster is fricking great
vapid hawk
quake 1 has such a strange vibe thats like never really been followed up on
topaz otter
because quake 1 had a disastrous development and its like four different games all mashed together
a scifi shooting game, a fantasy role playing game
zinc dew
quake 1 has such a strange vibe thats like never really been followed up on
Because they were making shit up as they went along and made up some random story to tie it altogether
vapid hawk
quake 1 also looks super unique and interesting in its software renderer
topaz otter
the story that was in the manual also had nothing to do with the game
plush summit
I've been hearing rumors of a Quake reboot, maybe they'll get back into the Gothic style
topaz otter
the manual said you were a police officer and then a wormhole opened up and you wind up in a parallel dimension
how many police officers you know that carry a double barrel shotguna and an axe
zinc dew
the story that was in the manual also had nothing to do with the game
Lol I didn’t know that, that’s hilarious
vapid hawk
i thought it was a teleporter experiment gone wrong - as in all great shooters
stoic parcel
Can we please rename #1096015979055697940 to #general-banter 2 (shut up when Robert is talking)?
topaz otter
i think quake 2 made american mcgee quit Id
vapid hawk
yeah i guess idk how you'd make a quake 1 sequel and keep the same vibe
topaz otter
I've been hearing rumors of a Quake reboot, maybe they'll get back into the Goth...
I'm hoping for a remake in the vein of doom
but come up with something interesting
vapid hawk
get 4 sets of level designers and give them completely different briefs?
topaz otter
and not just do doom again
zinc dew
Can we please rename <#1096015979055697940> to <#647909398072655907> 2 (shut up ...
It’s a bit tough to balance that out but the general idea at least from my perspective is that this channel being so lively gives a lot of energy and excitement to the core’s development. To me I think this channel generally stays on topic but it veers off once in a while and that’s ok. It serves the greater purpose of a fun chat as we all wait for the N64 core’s further development
plush summit
Maybe I don't know what Im talking about, but Doom Eternal kinda mixes Quake's movement
topaz otter
this channel needs more steven segal gifs of him doing wacky stuff
plush summit
So I don't know how different each game would be
vapid hawk
we'll probably need to simmer down a little when the core actually comes out so Rob can see when people report bugs etc
stoic parcel
It’s a bit tough to balance that out but the general idea at least from my persp...
I typed a sentence, and you typed a paragraph in response. To my troll post. Sigh
topaz otter
like dancing and eating carrots and saying wacky lines
zinc dew
I typed a sentence, and you typed a paragraph in response. To my troll post. Sig...
I mean you had a good point
stoic parcel
No, no I didnt
vapid hawk
maybe we really should have a general2 where gifs are banned
zinc dew
we'll probably need to simmer down a little when the core actually comes out so ...
Yeah basically, I think the chat will naturally just focus on N64 games and testing but I’ll definitely steer the chat more once we get there
topaz otter
btw anyone thats already got quake 2 in their steam library gets the update automatically for free
vapid hawk
what? awesome i already have it then lol
topaz otter
because I have it and I paid zero dollars for it
stoic parcel
I mean you had a good point
Reeeee, stop dismantling my trolling and using it for good!
topaz otter
quake II 64 looks great in the new engine, I like the colored lighting
might have to hook up the brian 64 controller and try it
vapid hawk
eeeeh, maybe just play it with a modern pad or keyboard+mouse
stoic parcel
Brian 64 :(
zinc dew
I wonder if we’ll get any sort of frame boosts on the n64 core, maybe quake 2 would play better on it
topaz otter
what? awesome i already have it then lol
Make sure you tell people this, they aren't advertising it
vapid hawk
maybe at least a little? i wouldn't expect an 2xN64 core or anything
topaz otter
probably trying to get people to buy it again
vapid hawk
but maybe enough to kick some games up from 27ish to a pleasent 30 or something
stoic parcel
Not even the Nintendo 64 deserves such a denigrating nickname such as "Brian 64". You people are monsters.
vapid hawk
who knows though really? the n64 has kind of legendary memory problems and robs really good at caches
and we have oodles of memory bandwidth generally available
topaz otter
I'm learning how to express my opinions without discord gifs
topaz otter
I'm afraid to click on this
vapid hawk
its harmless
stoic parcel
I guess I need to volume balance sound resource game sound rips
vapid hawk
its a bit loud yeah
topaz otter
don't worry, my neighbords don't mind because I don't have any
stoic parcel
sullen harbor
i'm not sure they've ever done anything bad
remaster of blade runner adventure game
stoic parcel
Actually.. Discord is boosting the sound volume
vapid hawk
this was mentioned 🙂
stoic parcel
Weird
sullen harbor
I would like Nightdive to remaster Turok 3 and arena
stoic parcel
They're rips from Sound Resource
topaz otter
oh ok that makes sense
topaz otter
I would like Nightdive to remaster Turok 3 and arena
Turok 3 is the worst turok
vapid hawk
i'm kinda curious what it'd look like if nightdive made a new game
stoic parcel
Its not hard to get them, you just use the arcade pcbs sound test
vapid hawk
let them make like a turok4
sullen harbor
Turok 3 is the worst turok
No that's the Xbox 360 turok
topaz otter
no that game is great
zinc dew
Turok 3 is the worst turok
MAAAAAN really? I played the first level and was impressed what they were doing on the system but didn’t spend much more time with it. Was actually looking forward to playing it on the core.
topaz otter
turok 3 has no dinosaurs in it
vapid hawk
i think there's a turok for the original xbox that may be even worse
topaz otter
and you don't play as turok
zinc dew
the worst turok is that mobile game
topaz otter
turok 3 is the one on the n64, jonathan fireseed dies
and then his wife and kid have to fight oblivion
sullen harbor
and you don't play as turok
I mean you didn't play as Turok in Turok 2
topaz otter
but the whole game is dark and weird, theres not dinosaurs, theres realistic weapons
and you fight a mutant orca
zinc dew
ADON
sullen harbor
Turok 1 and evolution is Tal'Set
vapid hawk
turok 3 is like, trying to be a halo killer before that was even cool
sullen harbor
Turok 2 Is joshua fireseed
vapid hawk
i guess its probably trying to be like perfect dark actually
topaz otter
joshua fireseed is literally turok
sullen harbor
Turok 3 was Danielle and Joseph fireseed
topaz otter
reincarnated
zinc dew
I AM TUROK
topaz otter
no I am
vapid hawk
i was told i'm turok
topaz otter
jungle drums
vapid hawk
this is awkward
zinc dew
he pulled out the jungle drums first
topaz otter
I just didn't enjoy the third game
zinc dew
I think he’s Turok
sullen harbor
I mean the worst one might be rage wars
vapid hawk
play the xbox one sometime and then you'll enjoy turok3 more
topaz otter
there were a lot of unique worlds in turok 2
but I liked the ewok village from turok 1
vapid hawk
i always get fucking lost as hell whenever i play turok2
stoic parcel
I never played any of those games.. I just had(maybe still) the comic with the big hologram card glued on the front cover lol
zinc dew
I didn’t know it was based on a comic at the time lol
vapid hawk
and i have an amazing sense of direction in games usually but turok2 breaks me
zinc dew
Shooting dinosaurs with guns? By Jove that has “video game IP” written all over it!
topaz otter
it made acclaim millions
also turok was a comic book from like the 1950s that nobody read
and acclaim bought it
stoic parcel
Youd think Cadillacs and Dinosuars would have made Capcom more money
topaz otter
turning it into the N64s number one fog covered action game
topaz otter
not since surprise at dinosaur peak was there so much dino action in one game
sullen harbor
Youd think Cadillacs and Dinosuars would have made Capcom more money
Fun fact. My father was a production designer on the cadillacs and dinosaurs cartoon
vapid hawk
if only they'd of ported Jurassic Park Tresspasser to n64 instead
topaz otter
Fun fact. My father was a production designer on the cadillacs and dinosaurs car...
your dad automatically just became the coolest guy ever
because I hear that opening in my sleep
stoic parcel
Neat. I guess he would have been overseeing how things were adapted from the comics
topaz otter
a world of cadilllacs....and DINOSAURS
sullen harbor
He was also an animator on Dragon's Lair (I found out around the time he passed) and directed most of the og magic schoolbus cartoon
topaz otter
cause its like the best cartoon ever made
vapid hawk
hey cool there's fresh commits on portal64 lately
loads of fixes, looks like they've up to chamber7 now
sullen harbor
Neat. I guess he would have been overseeing how things were adapted from the com...
yes. though the japanese animators continuously went off model and tried to make it anime
topaz otter
every time I bring up this cartoon
someone asks me well how do they power the cadillacs if theres no gas
stoic parcel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPLpovcDujw&
topaz otter
and then I have to tell them they use dinosaur poop and turn it into fuel
stoic parcel
Cool, I cant spell
topaz otter
this conversation has come up so many times that its become a joke at this point
stoic parcel
deft tree
Coll beans
sullen harbor
someone asks me well how do they power the cadillacs if theres no gas
my dad used to joke that it was nuclear powered
topaz otter
yes, powered by nuclear dino poop
stoic parcel
topaz otter
also the whole entire reason for their being dinosaurs is a little bit iffy anyway
mans time was over so dinosaurs just came back
vapid hawk
whats the best game involving dinosaurs and why is it dino crisis2?
stoic parcel
Dinosaurs for hire *
deft tree
whats the best game involving dinosaurs and why is it dino crisis2?
Home Improvement
vapid hawk
lol
brisk edge
Dino Crisis 1
topaz otter
I'm laughing because that joke works on a lot of levels
stoic parcel
topaz otter
actually the best game is that jurassic park game on the genesis
sullen harbor
anyways my dad's friends told me he put himself in the opening scene of Cadillac's and dinosaurs and sent me this screencap
topaz otter
the one where you play as the trex
topaz otter
anyways my dad's friends told me he put himself in the opening scene of Cadillac...
is he one of these two?
sullen harbor
Guy with the beard and red cap
topaz otter
nice
stoic parcel
Cool I was gonna say
topaz otter
you don't know how much I adored that cartoon
me and my dad thought it was the greatest idea of a cartoon ever
he thought the ninja turtles were stupid but the idea of manly men driving around in cadillacs and dinosaurs was the greatest idea ever concieved by man
sullen harbor
yeah
The comic is still around (like collected published editions)
but its hard to find if you search Cadillac and Dinosaurs
because the creator renamed it back to his original intended title
Xenozoic
topaz otter
I think most people remember the arcade game
sullen harbor
Depends on the community
I work in animation. So most people there remember the cartoon
artist communities remember the comic
And retro gaming communities remember the game
sullen harbor
I think it could work as a movie
Nah
Netflix can't shoot anything in an interesting way
topaz otter
just make it animated
I've already watched like five netflix godzilla shows on there
sullen harbor
If I had to give it to anyone...\
maybe the castlevania guys
maybe
as long as they stick to the style
of the original comic
topaz otter
i liked the artstyle for that show, but they couldn't write for crap unfortunately
sullen harbor
That was their choice of writer
topaz otter
after the first season it started heading downhill
sullen harbor
I don't mind it but I like Warren ellis
in general
so I get his vibe
even if it clashes with the property
topaz otter
yeah and warren elllis admitted that he never played a single castlevania game lol
everything he knew about it he read from wikipedia
sullen harbor
yeah
stoic parcel
It started losing me after the f bombs and middle fingers
topaz otter
modern tv is like that
lone geyser
1st screenshot was actually 4:3. Second is widescreen obviously lol
I call malarkey.
solid crest
During cutscenes OoT added black bars on top and bottom of the screen
lone geyser
Ahhhhhhhh hecc
Lmao, that explains it
I did a proper perspective transform and everything (which isn't trivial, huge props to the Jaybees and Sindens of the world because just figuring out this one off was tricky)
viral wadi
I call malarkey.
Lol the effort!
Yah, it was the deku tree cutscene! It's n64digital HDMI modded machine. I had no faith that mister would ever be capable of a core anytime soon (if ever), and was always unimpressed with the emulation options.
Local game store did the mod, posted to Facebook, and I snagged it right up. I had the jungle green donkey Kong bundle as a kid, so was glad that was the version he decided to go with.
oblique remnant
Nice, I have an RGB Modded "only" but very excited about a possible core too
viral wadi
The pixelfx mod is pretty damn nice but idk if it's really all that worthwhile. The best features: HDMI, ofc, but also the ability to reset the machine using the controller. Never have to walk over and reset it
Retrotink and RGB mod probably a better option, cost wise, until a core ofc. I def spent too much, but it was one of my favorite systems and kinda an impulse purchase tbqh
silent marten
Robert is expecting at least 1 game fully playable by December, I think by then there will be quite a few
vagrant ivy
Hes trying for Quest 6 4 as its the best game on the N64
worldly quartz
It will never be hey you pikachu
lament escarp
Retrotink and RGB mod probably a better option, cost wise, until a core ofc. I ...
Same with me with the psx. Got a xstation mod, region mod, memcard pro, retrofighter defender controller and tink 5x and than I learn the mister does all that just as an aside.
silent marten
Hes trying for Quest 6 4 as its the best game on the N64
You spelt Buck Bumble wrong xD
topaz otter
Local game store did the mod, posted to Facebook, and I snagged it right up. I ...
Funny thing about those color n64s
They are almost all refurbs
Nintendo had a huge stock of refurbed n64s so they put them in colored shells and resold them
Pikachu n64 is the same way, its a refurb board
raw oriole
"Refurbed" by the oem always means "QA'd more carefully than the original" to me 😄 Usually better kit IME
zinc dew
👀
topaz otter
"Refurbed" by the oem always means "QA'd more carefully than the original" to me...
Except those boards had a high failure rate
zinc dew
Pikachu n64 is the same way, its a refurb board
big if true
topaz otter
Guys on the modded by bacteria board wouldnt touch em, trying to do anything with them would cause the board to fail
They were useless for portable n64s
zinc dew
sounds like a skill issue
raw oriole
Except those boards had a high failure rate
Trust Nintendo to buck the trend
hearty oar
not sure about n64, but I have 2 refurbished 3DSes and they have been going along just fine, at least from the outside you couldn't tell them apart from new at all
elfin depot
The Nintendo refurb 3DS's were so well looked over, I aquired a few at the end of the 3DS's run and other than a white box they shipped them in you wouldn't have known they had ever been used.
mellow raft
The pixelfx mod is pretty damn nice but idk if it's really all that worthwhile. ...
I have an UltraHDMI modded N64. The thing is it does magic to remove the blur and anti-aliasing effects the N64 does, and it looks so freaking good
But you can choose to not have it clean it up that much if you wish
zinc dew
a cleaned up N64 just looks like an N32
vapid hawk
I have an UltraHDMI modded N64. The thing is it does magic to remove the blur an...
it doesn't really do anything this mister scaler can't do
viral wadi
Same with me with the psx. Got a xstation mod, region mod, memcard pro, retrofig...
Oh man lol. Yah I'm kinda okay with the state of psx emulation (even before the core). I don't think I'd get a modded ps anything. Same with gamecube. Just n64 never really got a great emu scene. I think there have been improvements in the last year, but I haven't bothered checking it out
lament escarp
You're mentioning all my modded consoles on purpose aren't you? 😄
My gamecube is my prized possession, the gc loader is so good!
viral wadi
Dolphin is soo good though lol
lament escarp
I played a bit of oot on simple64 and I quit because it's really not all that great. Waiting for the core.
viral wadi
not sure about n64, but I have 2 refurbished 3DSes and they have been going alon...
I also got some 3ds's really late. They were referb "new" variants and boy are they good little machines
mellow raft
it doesn't really do anything this mister scaler can't do
depends. the deblur would have to occur with the core
Not sure if that is planned
vapid hawk
the core can easily just not do the blur in the first place 🙂
mellow raft
but some people like it?
viral wadi
Got an xl and a new 2ds with the cover. Both are great but I think I prefer the 2ds cause it's so much lighter
vapid hawk
yeah thats why it'll be an option, defaulted to on i'd presume since some games actually need it to not look weird
viral wadi
I think both were under 100$. My go to whenever I take flights
Usually bring one of those and ips modded gbc & GBA with everdrives
modern sleet
Hes trying for Quest 6 4 as its the best game on the N64
Rumour has it that he's putting in some type of hash for that particular gem to ensure it never works, the game in which we must not speak of.
weak hill
I played a bit of oot on simple64 and I quit because it's really not all that gr...
have you tried ares?
lament escarp
I tried project 64, mupen 64 and simple 64. I could only get the rumble to work in the 8bitdo n64 modkit in simple 64.
wanton sun
first texture mode working in a simple test. left is the core, right is how it should look like
orchid nimbus
😄 nice
wanton sun
the black areas are there because the blender doesn't support transparent blending with the old framebuffer yet
wanton sun
i wouldn't expect anything, it's only 1 out of 20 modes
but i'm happy that the infrastructure to load textures and fetch them from tmem is in place. Also mirroring and masking works
silent marten
very very nice
orchid nimbus
@silent marten you're jumping at the bit to get testing aren'tcha?
wanton sun
i will need to implement the framebuffer read and blender part next, then i can start loading some savestates and fix whatever is not working for them
orchid nimbus
core core tester of cores
19 more modes left - looking forward to seeing the others
quick arch
Great progress !
wanton sun
Good thing is : the more complicated ones are less often used, so i can focus on the easy ones first and get the largest step ahead 🙂
lament escarp
So right now your working more on the infrastructure of the whole render pipeline than on the 20 render modes, did I get that correctly?
wanton sun
yes
i want to have all core elements of the pipeline in, then add features of the single subfunctions later
vapid hawk
is there any significance to the colors being different?
the core looks a brighter yellow
lament escarp
Nice. With you it'll probably jump from 5% done to 75% at some point and than we get all the manky looking games 😄
silent marten
sounds like that is aa good way of doing things
silent marten
Nice. With you it'll probably jump from 5% done to 75% at some point and than we...
when games start booting it will be like 5 builds a day xD
I am j/k
wanton sun
is there any significance to the colors being different?
don't know how Krom has taken the images. It's 16 bit RGB(5/5/5) so can be interpreted different. Also it's from my capture card, don't know how true all the color is
vapid hawk
ah right
lament escarp
when games start booting it will be like 5 builds a day xD
I know nobody's trying to push Robert, but it's not like he's stoppable when he smells the finish line.
wanton sun
still a long way for that. The will be no running ingame footage in august for sure
silent marten
I know nobody's trying to push Robert, but it's not like he's stoppable when he ...
he knows I expect nothing, and knows I am referring to the 4 builds in one day on the PSX Core and cleared all remaining E1s
wanton sun
the whole channel hunting CD commands in different games, yes it was a good day 🙂
vapid hawk
so many games got playable that one day
silent marten
yeah they did Freddo 🙂
all CD related crashes got fixed
then the next day mostly every E6 got fixed as well if I remember correctly
vapid hawk
n64 will be interesting, easier in some ways (less games to test) harder in others (its n64)
silent marten
it is gonna be fun to test them
with all us die hard testers it is gonna be entire USA library tested in like 3 days at most
lament escarp
This sounds so exciting. Hope I won't be too stupid to help 🙂
silent marten
This sounds so exciting. Hope I won't be too stupid to help 🙂
you will be fine, just say in here if a polygon exploded or a game crashed after a certain action/event in the game, one of us will go ahead and double check it happens for us as well and then confirm it to Robert
and if there is space for savestates we will create one for him and hand it over so it is easier for him to bugfix 🙂
vapid hawk
you can help a lot just clarrifying like, what game, what region, ask for a savestate etc
silent marten
it is a big if I know
wanton sun
i'm pretty sure there will be a build with savestates at some point. Maybe with some other things missing, but good enough for debugging and testing
I just cannot debug things otherwise with such a complex system if it happens somewhere deep in the game
silent marten
yeah imagine if a game like Ocarina of Time works all the way up to the Ganon fight and then hangs and no savestates to give you at that point...
no way will you play for 20ish hours to debug that
I mean standard save games early on could help a lot if not states
lament escarp
And I also get to make sure all my favorite games are tested 😄
wanton sun
even if i would get there, i cannot debug by seeing a situation one time, i need to see it again and again and 90% of the bugs i research in simulation anyway and must get the state out of the hardware
fair stump
Vagrant Story had an audio issue only during the end credits after a tough final boss
wanton sun
yes, it was the same bug as the rugrats intro 🙂
i still remember it. I was so happy to hear it was also fixed, because just verifying it could have been a pain
lament escarp
Is there anything special about the voice over in koudelka? The pstv skips a second now and then in the not-cgi cutscenes.
silent marten
does it work in the core?
lament escarp
As far as I tested it, yes perfectly so.
silent marten
then it is the way the PSTV handles its PS1 emulation
lament escarp
It's the only device next to a ps1 I ever saw it play correctly.
silent marten
kinda like how the PS3 handles Tomb Raider 1
that was a long bug fix in the core, initially the only way to play it was to patch the iso, then Robert hunted for days, found out it was to do with very specific CD Timings and implemented them and the core ran it without patches
that was also a good day 🙂
lament escarp
Yeah I believe that. Though I could never handle laras tank controls
vapid hawk
tomb raider controls are clunky but 100% consistent and reliable
silent marten
I remember when people said PS1 was impossible on MiSTer, Robert said Hold My Beer!!!! less than a year after the core was released to update scripts he added a 2nd CPU xD
vapid hawk
when you get used to them, its actually pretty great
lean spruce
I lurk here daily just to jump on as soon as we are in testing face. It was so much fun during the PSX core testing and I hope we have a similar approach with a excel file keeping track of the bugs 🙂
vapid hawk
also, just use tons of save states and don't feel bad, pc let you save anywhere
lament escarp
tomb raider controls are clunky but 100% consistent and reliable
The jumping, yes. But the running is like beeing drunk. I can either walk or turn around, if I try both at the same time bad things happen.
lean spruce
The jumping, yes. But the running is like beeing drunk. I can either walk or tur...
thats because you have to tap the directionals, not hold them when walking 🙂
lament escarp
How does this work on a dpad???
lean spruce
you hold up and tap either left or right while still holding up.
if you cant walk in a straight line by just holding up you have a bad d-pad. There are a lot of controllers with this issue.
lament escarp
Yeah, so it's either walking or turning. Very carefully. And than smacking into the wall. 😄
lean spruce
no, what I´m saying is that you walk holding up and at the same time tap at the direction you want to go. Its just the way I did it to not over turn
anyway, leaving space for N64 talk 🙂
silent marten
yeah good idea, we got reminiscing about testing again 😛
lean spruce
it was so fun and Fuzz & Kuba were instrumental in organizing the testing and documentation
silent marten
Tenshin don't forget about Dave and Freddo
Freddo was actively testing all the resident evil games constantly until they worked
Robert is not looking forward to the Resident Evil 2 N64 bugs I am sure xD
lament escarp
Who tested dq7? Thats pretty much the longest game on the psx I'm aware of.
silent marten
Who tested dq7? Thats pretty much the longest game on the psx I'm aware of.
I don't remember who started it but I remember double checking some early game bugs
lament escarp
Btw, why is the rumble on the 8bitdo n64 kid so weird? I couldn't get it going in dinput mode at all, and in switch mode it only worked in simple 64 properly. On the switch the nso controller rumble also only works in the nso n64 games.
native mesa
8bitdo shipped the kits?
lament escarp
Yeah I got mine about 2 weeks ago. Still later than they promised but I got it.
worn delta
Regards to Rumble support on emulators and modern controllers etc. It sounds like the way the N64 Rumble Pak works is quite special, and maybe has odd protocols. Will be interesting to see what Robert (or someone else) finds out when it comes time to look at it. Hopefully it isn't too painful as Rumble support is a big part of playing N64, was a huge deal at the time
compact depot
Rumble over USB needs extra support from USB drivers
N64 controller native rumble protocol is super simple
It’s just a single bit IIRC
worn delta
Hmm, so is it possible that even if it is added to the core our various controllers won't support it and nothing we can do about it?
worn delta
That's a shame if the 8bit do and Xbox, Playstation controllers most people use will not work with Rumble
compact depot
For USB without a driver supporting rumble, someone could create a Linux driver with rumble support for it
worn delta
Is this different from the rumble in the GBC and GBA cores? Those work over USB as standard don't they?
compact depot
For all USB controllers? I doubt it. Probably XInput based controllers?
There aren’t many DInput drivers on Linux supporting rumble
There’s that dragonrise (or something like that) DInput driver that supports rumble though
worn delta
Or is this not the work that Sorg and others did to add rumble support for each major controller individually to Main when PSX core added it?
Pokémon Mini core is another that uses rumble a lot that works on USB controllers
compact depot
That’s fascinating
So there must be support added to the main USB controllers then
worn delta
I may be wrong, but I think we may be OK with all the major controllers, as rumble support was added for each individually into Main. I could be wrong though, and I have never seen an actual list of rumble supported controllers
Maybe Robert or Rysha knows more
In an ideal world the major controllers will already have support, and it will be trivial for Robert to add in rumble support if it is as basic as you think. Fingers crossed!
woeful grove
who is rysha
compact depot
From what you just described, yes, it will happen
woeful grove
rumble is sent to main fairly unconditionally, but main has to use each controller type's driver to access it's rumble
each driver has a different way of writing to it
wanton sun
did anyone try NSO n64 with psx rumble already? i don't have my bluetooth dongle at hand, otherwise i would try
but probably it's not added yet i guess
all the pads that worked with the psx core, should also work with any other core using rumble
worn delta
Ace, that's good to know
Is there a list anywhere of what controls had Rumble support added to Main? Maybe that is something worth us logging in the wiki or somewhere
chrome quest
NSO N64 would be an interesting test. When I tried raphnet it worked but rumbled full strength non stop on PSX. I wonder if NSO would be the same, if it's programmed to work with emulated games similarly to the adapter working with an actual Rumble Pak
lament escarp
Just tried the n64 8bitdo mod (which should be the same as the nso in switch mode, at least the switch thinks its a nso controller) vs switch pro controller in moh. The pro controller rumbles at each shot, the n64 controller does not rumble at all.
@wanton sun
mild ether
In game footage for September 1st confirmed?
orchid nimbus
September 18th at 10:35am PST
atomic stratus
The Nintendo refurb 3DS's were so well looked over, I aquired a few at the end o...
still kicking myself for not ordering one of those when I had the chance
uncut gyro
the month before the switch came out, I got some primo deals on refurb 3DS's at the local GameStop
native mesa
3DS xl is too big and pixels too chunky
Why they didn't launch new 3ds in USA at first is beyond me
uncut gyro
3DS XL?
ah right. I keep forgetting diff between New 3DS and OG
I was fortunate to find a dual-IPS screen Zelda SE New 3DS
for ~$250
and OMFGZ does the screen quality make a difference with the 3D effect
uncut gyro
not sure -- discovered this was a unique variant to seek out on the old @smokemonster discord
IIRC, a TN screen for both was more common
deft tree
i sold my new 3ds xl to a coworker several years back and wish i hadn't now
uncut gyro
I remember @woeful grove suggesting to scoop up replacement batteries while you can
woeful grove
I did?
uncut gyro
several years ago on SmokeMonster discord
or it was someone else and I'm not recalling correctly -- apologies, if so
native mesa
I snagged a NIB one from Japan before the store closed
topaz otter
I have an UltraHDMI modded N64. The thing is it does magic to remove the blur an...
Does this thing actually tap the rgb from the chip
vapid hawk
it takes digital signals right off the gpu (most hdmi mods do)
well before it'd even be encoded to rgb
mild ether
It looks like a real pita to do that mod.
vapid hawk
definitely not for inexperienced solderers
topaz otter
Also that thing is expensive
vapid hawk
you can't even get the ultraHDMI anymore exactly, and i wouldn't recommend you do even if you find one, its out of support
pixelFX GEM is the more modern equivelant
topaz otter
And im not opening up and killing anymore n64s, i have the death sentence in seven star systems
elfin depot
the month before the switch came out, I got some primo deals on refurb 3DS's at ...
After the switch was released and started picking up pace, my SO picked up a bunch for cheap, everyone was selling them to finance a new switch purchase.
I have the SNES one, but this one's my favorite it's about the perfect size
hearty oar
I love the basic new 3DS as well, went a bit silly with the faceplates though, I’ve got a draw full of them
elfin depot
Do you have the one that glows in the dark? Apparently is worth quite a bit now
placid quiver
I was fortunate to find a dual-IPS screen Zelda SE New 3DS
I got lucky with a dual IPS Hyrule edition this year; shop didn't know what they had...I'm always surprised that the N3DSXL can play 2D PSX games like SotN
hearty oar
Do you have the one that glows in the dark? Apparently is worth quite a bit now
The boo one? I think so
elfin depot
That's quite a bit, but that's complete in box brand new. They're about a hundred in good shape opened
hearty oar
Wow, probably not going to sell it though so doesn’t make much difference to me…
mellow raft
Does this thing actually tap the rgb from the chip
Yes that is how it's able to remove the blur more directly... it has direct access to it, instead of handling it post-signal
Just look at My Life in Gaming's review to see it blows the other RGB mods out of the water
It's actually the antialiasing, not the blur issue
There's two softening issues on the N64. A horizontal blur, and antialiasing on the hardware level
herei s the horizontal blur being cleared up
vapid hawk
there are some games you shouldn't do deblur on because they actually used the whole resolution
i just can't remember what they are, goldeneyes menus is one of them i think
uncut gyro
it would be interesting to focus a GAN on an N instruction antialiasing pass that doesn't mess up shading of polygons when viewed through a CRT filter/mask
a good bounty
vapid hawk
probably some form of smoothing like hq2x or something is the best you can hope for
performed by an external scaler since there wont be room on the de10nano for it
uncut gyro
given the training data available, and if you make it per-console (or even per-title), you can probably do a lot better
vapid hawk
if you don't like jaggies just leave the blur on, its very good at hiding them !
uncut gyro
not disrespect to HQ2X (and their texture filtering algo), which totally blew my mind back in ~2001
vapid hawk
maybe the blur could be enhanced with some strength options and try to get it to leave 2d elements alone
uncut gyro
the MMX code alone was a master class
yea!
that's where I think training on specific consoles/games would yield some next-level results
vapid hawk
i don't think it needs to be that fancy, rob was already able to detect most 2d elements in psx games using fairly straightforward hueristics
uncut gyro
fair enough. I'm just curious what a GAN would do
viscid gate
did anyone try NSO n64 with psx rumble already? i don't have my bluetooth dongle...
I don’t get any rumble with the nso N64 pad on the PSX core
worn delta
Hmm, maybe need to raise a ticket for that one. Not sure what the process to get that added would be but seems like one that would be good to get for the N64 core
carmine kettle
are you using nso with usb?
hearty oar
Had anyone tested that rumble is working at all with this controller? ie hold L and X/Y on the mister menu
orchid nimbus
I snagged a NIB one from Japan before the store closed
Nativity in black? One of my favorite tribute albums
hearty oar
I actually can't test the NSO controller apparently, I can't get it to work via USB and it is giving me doubled inputs via BT (I just assume this is my BT adaptor being hilarious as per usual, I never use it...)
zinc dew
oh no unfiltered and alaised pixels 
vapid hawk
i dont think the nso actually works on usb, only charges
lament escarp
I just tried the 8bitdo via usb and the mister just freaked out while it was connected. No picture when I turned it on while it was connected, and when I plugged it in afterwards the bluetooth controllers became really sluggish and unresponsive.
carmine kettle
I just tried the 8bitdo via usb and the mister just freaked out while it was con...
ill try mine using usb
lament escarp
Had to re-pair all my bt controllers afterwards because they wouldn't connect anymore. Tried the same usb cable with a switch pro controller and that worked fine.
manic basin
I just tried the 8bitdo via usb and the mister just freaked out while it was con...
What mode was the 8bitdo in? Verify it's in X mode. Also verify you're running the correct firmware for BT (so not the Mini/classic firmware or Pocket firmware)
I've seen behavior like that from a couple RetroBit controllers, but never 8BD, personally. I hope you can get it resolved!
lament escarp
What mode was the 8bitdo in? Verify it's in X mode. Also verify you're running t...
Was in switch mode. Its firmware 1.00, updated via the 8bitdo utility
manic basin
OK, cool. Try powering it up in X mode and see if the issue persists.
I should have also clarified, you're using BT right? Not a 2.4Ghz dongle? If you were using the dongle, this is really really weird.... hehe
Oh, and how many BT controllers do you have connected? MiSTer doesn't like a lot of BT controllers. So it could be that as well.
lament escarp
I should have also clarified, you're using BT right? Not a 2.4Ghz dongle? If you...
That actually worked, I even unplugged the bt adapter to make sure it's not connecting that way. But still no rumble.
lament escarp
Oh, and how many BT controllers do you have connected? MiSTer doesn't like a lot...
I have 4, which usually aren't connected at the same time. They're all 8bitdo, n30 modkit, sn30modkit, n64 modkit and m30.
Never hat a problem with connectivity before either
manic basin
Yeah, just checking to be sure since BT is up and down the board in terms of different experiences. Your wifi saturation can cause issues with it, even the USB hub sometimes interferes with it. The MiSTer freaking out sounds like BT HID to me, which generally points to either a poor bluetooth network (which can come down to if you have lights on in the room or if someone is downloading over wifi sometimes) or a corrupt connection (or sometimes an accidentally recorded macro....that has happened more than I'd like to admit).
lament escarp
I was definitely the the usb connected n64 controller. Stopped freaking out as soon as I disconnected it. Never seen that before on the mister either.
manic basin
I only ever saw it with retrobit. Their dongles corrupt my image. Specifically the Big Six. They mount as drives on my computer so I think they were in flash mode from the factory. I couldn't ever get them recovered 😦
lament escarp
It's all connecting fine now in bt mode. But I don't wanna do that again. I just wanted to see if rumble works via usb, as the n64 nso and 8bitdo in switchmode seem to be picky about what gets them to rumble.
manic basin
I've never had an 8bitdo in switch mode connected to MiSTer. But now I'm all curious about what rumbles and what doesn't... hmmm.
lament escarp
I think it's really annoying the 8bitdo usb reciever isn't compatible with the n64 modkit.
manic basin
Their receivers seem artificially restricted a ... lot.
lament escarp
I've never had an 8bitdo in switch mode connected to MiSTer. But now I'm all cur...
The n64 controller is curious even on the switch itself, rumble only works in the nso n64 titles, no other games.
lament escarp
Their receivers seem artificially restricted a ... lot.
You'd think it's the same eco system of devices...
manic basin
Once the N64 motor controller test suite works (it's pretty close) this will be much less of a pain to verify.
lament escarp
On pc I got the rumble to work with better joy as a wrapper in doom 2016 and in simple 64, both with it in switch mode if that helps.
So these programs know something we don't!
manic basin
Looking at my desk right now I'm sitting within 1 foot of 12 controllers. This is roughly 1/4 of my controller stash. I'd say it's a conspiracy but I'm obviously a willing participant.
lament escarp
I think it's the misters fault tbh. Never had different controllers for the same device before.
manic basin
I mean, there's REASON now! Hehe. I've always had a problem. But it's certainly been gassed and set ablaze by MiSTer.
Oh right. And I've got two more coming on Wednesday. :/
lament escarp
Thank goodness they don't sell that pc engine controller in europe... would be number 5 otherwise.
manic basin
Oh shitI I forgot my wired drawer. There are 6 more, including PCE and Atari (all usb, though...but the number of SNAC controllers I have is stupid too).
lament escarp
I'm tripping often enough over my gamecube controllers cable to try and avoid wired controller. Even though I have a good wavebird from my childhood. But that one doesn't rumble. Like the n64 controller is now. There's your conspiracy again!
manic basin
Wavebird was the best thing I ever owned that dished out 30 minutes of utter joy at a time. I had a box of batteries near my couch.
Glad we've gotten way better at power management of wireless devices!
(It definitely wasn't THAT bad but I do remember changing batteries often)
hearty oar
I was using mine again not too long ago to play Prime 2 and found it to be at least a little more tolerable and long lasting using modern nimh rechargeables
manic basin
I was using rechargeables in mine and they definitely did not last as long as alkaline for sure. By a lot. But 20+ yo battery tech for rechargeables was pretty bleak.
Rumble is the modern controller killer.
I am always amazed at how infrequently I have to charge my M30s compared to Xbox or PS, but then I remember....right, they don't convert electricity into the devil's caress.
lament escarp
Even the switch pro controller lasts for a decent time and has extra nice rumble.
manic basin
Switch Pro is a stellar controller in my experience.
lament escarp
The wii u pro controller too iirc
manic basin
But my kid took mine when he moved out and I haven't murdered him to get it back yet.
hearty oar
everything about it is awesome except the dpad, which is very uncharacteristic of Nintendo
lament escarp
everything about it is awesome except the dpad, which is very uncharacteristic o...
You can actually improve it with some tape
manic basin
The ol' Analogue Pocket trick?
hearty oar
so I've heard, but I have enough other options to play games that require precision now that I never bothered
orchid nimbus
he said d-pad .... huhuhuhuhehe
elfin relic
modern dpads and tape, name a better pairing
I've got an older 8bitdo sn30 that's tape moded, really helped with ghosting
hearty oar
I just use the NSO SNES controller, perfect for Tetris, Mario Maker, etc
lament escarp
The ol' Analogue Pocket trick?
You tape up the inner third or so of the contacts on the pcb. Makes it so there are less cross inputs when you press one direction
hearty oar
they actually nailed it with that one at least
manic basin
I've got an older 8bitdo sn30 that's tape moded, really helped with ghosting
Oh, I didin't think about it improving that.... that's a really good motivator.
manic basin
You tape up the inner third or so of the contacts on the pcb. Makes it so there ...
Do you have any games off the top of your head that are good for testing rumble? I was just gonna see if my wired Ultimate is working. I was just gonna load up Spyro, but if you can think of any better ones...
hearty oar
I think you can test if it's working at all on the main menu with L + X/Y, at least according to the guide pages
otherwise there is the PSX pad tester iso
manic basin
Oh sweet.
lament escarp
Do you have any games off the top of your head that are good for testing rumble?...
I always like to use doom 2016 as a test. It's really quick to give you a weapon and has satisfying rumble.
Or do you mean on psx? Medal of honor of course, you just load the level and fire a few rounds.
lament escarp
It's a really fun game too! Don't blame me if you end up 100%ing it!
lament escarp
I'm reasonably sure the n64 rumble situation will get sorted out when the n64 core progresses. Next to snac adapters I'd guess the nso and 8bitdo will be the most commonly used ones on the core.
manic basin
Yeah.
The motorcontrol test now shows both X and, just fresh from a whole new dimension....Y for thumbstick. That's pretty cool since last week it only did X and the week before it didn't even launch. Robert is kind of a beast.
lament escarp
Yeah he really is. I thought it was kinda funny when he mentioned yesterday not to expect any games booting in august when he said last month not to expect the rsp finished before end of august...
manic basin
Yeah, he's really just killing it.
restive cove
for anyone who is curious yesterday I tried Namco museum 64 on n64 core for mister the all games work except pole position which would crash the n64 core on mister
manic basin
Yeah, that's been the status for a bit now. So awesome to see.
I played a few levels of Ms. PacMan while capturing for a video and really enjoyed how it felt on the core.
Dig Dug was...Dig Dug.
quaint rune
How accurate is it to the arcade versions ?
manic basin
Feel wise? Better than say GBA Namco Museum. By a lot.
I mean, we have the real deal so it's not like I'd be going there for most of these, but they feel pretty close to me.
quaint rune
Haven’t played that version. I love dig dug though! The design of the little doods, pooka and crushing enemies with rocks
That’s a sequel we really need. There’s been like 20 versions of pac man. We need DIG DUG 2
manic basin
I like to pretend Reign of Fire was Dig Dug the movie. And he didn't get them all.
hearty oar
Isn’t the dig dug guy part of the Mr Driller cinematic universe now?
Pretty sure he was in Drill Land
languid dune
That’s a sequel we really need. There’s been like 20 versions of pac man. We nee...
We have Dig Dug 2! It's even on MiSTer!....it's just a very different game.
languid dune
Isn’t the dig dug guy part of the Mr Driller cinematic universe now?
Yes, he is Mr. Driller's dad.
His mom is the main character of Baraduke.
worn delta
It is presumably OK to share the test file, I can't see that breaking any rules
twin barn
that's a peterlemon test rom
Robert is aware of it
many test roms will still have occasional fails here and there at this stage
acoustic saffron
What would be the next milestone after the RDP?
mild ether
Playing games.
wanton sun
<@640641777610522675> Hi! are you aware of this error in DMAAlignment-PI-ROM-FR...
yes i am. What happens there is that the testrom prints the last access address from the ROM before(!) the tests even starts, so status after BIOS. It's not clear what is the issue here, could be related to flash card being used to execute it or so. In any case: what the test really tests works fine 🙂
this is the status from Ares with the version 132 i still use and it runs games just fine:
so whatever this is, it must be something minor if relevant at all
wanton sun
What would be the next milestone after the RDP?
RDP will not be complete for a long time, easily 6 months or a year. It has SO many functions. However, i will stop working on the RDP from time to time to get some games running that should be able to run with the RDP at that time
teal citrus
Got dang! The RDP chip sounds like a beefy boy.
No wonder emulator devs have to use a lot of hacks to make this one work.
lament escarp
How hard will it be to implement saving to the games? The saturn boys just exploded when they got it. Also, how complicated will the tlb be?
orchid nimbus
When @wanton sun says 6 months it’s like that start trek movie - where it only takes 6 weeks
zenith orchid
I wouldn't be surprised if it is an accurate prediction in this case.
cold pollen
BY THE BOOK
this core should take 6 years
if we go BY THE BOOK, that is
wink wink
zenith orchid
perhaps if he was going in blind
worn delta
Robert is the anti-JT, when he says something takes 6 months it takes 3. When JT says NGPC is coming soon... 😉
cold pollen
perhaps if he was going in blind
he probably is just to make things interesting
worn delta
I jest
cold pollen
Robert is the anti-JT, when he says something takes 6 months it takes 3. When J...
also he doesn't work on 23 cores concurrently
zenith orchid
neither does JT
worn delta
Yeah, I am just joking around
zenith orchid
anyone can make a long list to keep everyone's hopes up. not a bad idea when you have so many patrons
cold pollen
okay but he like literally gives progress updates on each one
so he's clearly not just making a queue
zenith orchid
I'd like to agree with you there, progress updates among 8 cores probably looks compelling to a lot of people. personally I think he's gotten really good at milking the hype
cold pollen
not knocking the guy it's just clearly two different approaches
quaint rune
Robert is making a playable 64 in less time than it took Nintendo to make the 64
zenith orchid
Well, considering Nintendo had to R&D for it and collaborate with SGI among other firms...😄
Alright, I'm being a downer, I know it. I'll take a break from Discord for a bit 😂
cold pollen
also considering the hardware exists for reference and he doesn't have to invent tech from scratch lol
quaint rune
insert foghorn leghorn gif here 🐔 THATS THE JOKE, BOY.
zenith orchid
lament escarp
Well, considering Nintendo had to R&D for it and collaborate with SGI among othe...
Nintendo also had a bunch of employees on it, Robert is alone. Imagine like 20 Roberts, all going to town on the mister. 😄
zenith orchid
Heh, he would probably port MiSTer to a $2000 FPGA board and churn out a gamecube & wii core
lament escarp
I'd still buy it in a heartbeat 😄
mild ether
Would definitely pay 2k for a FPGA that could do things up like Xbox and GameCube but I have my doubts any one person could develop cores like that. It's a huge leap in complexity.
zenith orchid
Yeah, even if the cores are high level
I would probably pay that much too, for 6th gen + 7th gen handhelds
late 90s budget computers too most likely 😄
mild ether
That's what I was thinking too. A FPGA core for 32bit Pentiums and 3DFX GPU would be pretty badass.
86Box struggles with later games.
lament escarp
I would like to see a ps3 core. It would probably take all fpgas of the world but I would like to see that monstrosity.
zenith orchid
For 7th gen and up, would FPGA really be that much more advantageous than software emulation?
I imagine at a certain point, more advanced retro hardware could be virtualized from modern hardware
zinc dew
It wouldn’t, no. You’d be dealing with a fremebuffer so any advantages of an FPGA would be minimal.
zenith orchid
yeah I thought so. because ultimately you're dealing with the systems API, and the software might not care how you do it
zinc dew
Unless you count using a very low spec device, then an FPGA would be quite an advantage.
But who cares lol
zenith orchid
And thats the challenge Nintendo is facing with emulation these days. With Dolphin and the Switch emulator. Emulating those systems wasn't so difficult it seems.
ps3 outputs hdmi and you can load your games via RetroNAS, its probably best to use original hardware
lament escarp
Except for mgs4 there arent too many games on ps3 that are trapped on the console for me.
woeful grove
that never made it to pc?
lament escarp
Only on emulator. Which is why rumors about the mgs master collection vol. 2 are out of control.
zinc dew
I forgot who told me about Battlezone 64 being cool but here’s a video talking about it - https://youtu.be/HW97EXiPf4k
hasty kayak
I would like to see a ps3 core. It would probably take all fpgas of the world bu...
I doubt we will see that in our lifetime.
zinc dew
Except for mgs4 there arent too many games on ps3 that are trapped on the consol...
Sounds like we were all spared!
topaz otter
Just figured out something crazy
zinc dew
Just figured out something crazy
Yes?
topaz otter
1980s radio shack card edge board hss the same dot pitch as the n64 cart connector
I meant it literalky is 2.50mm
zinc dew
Why do you know this
topaz otter
Because im working on a project
So the n64 connector is weird, its 2.50mm instead of 2.54
Why nintendo did this who knows
But this connector is perfect for projects where you can insert/test modules quickly, and i have a bunch of these card edge pcbs from when radio shack sold their stock
Cooincedentally they go perfect with this connector
zinc dew
r u a hacker
weary palm
The edge connector pitch is the same on the NES.
Because Metric > Imperial, amirite?
2.54 mm is .1 inches; can't have that. Yuck.
topaz otter
its also the same on the snes because I just checked it
they all appear to be 2.50
unfortunately this means you can't mate these connectors with regular 2.54mm pin holes, the spacing is off
mild ether
What's that like in freedom units?
zinc dew
What's that like in freedom units?
liberating
topaz otter
i wonder if nintendo did this to make it harder to make cartridge reading gizmos
woeful grove
knowing nintendo they probably copied it from some other device, a la the 6502, or just got the cheapest part they could buy
orchid nimbus
I kill electronics in the name of science
I still think you’re Ben Heckendorn
topaz otter
I can assure you that i am not
zinc dew
Yeah he’s Ben’s kid
weary palm
2.54mm = .1 inches or 100 millifreedom units.
inner bronze
America be hating on metric yet they use mils/thous
I wanna rant on how god damn confusing it is to have a unit of mils
quaint rune
let it out
elfin relic
the real joke is a lot of american stuff is designed and built in metric, but then translated back to freedom units for public... or just left in metric as is the case with cars
it's wacky
inner bronze
Mils is great shorthand for Millimeters and then someone had to come along and use it to mean 1/1000 of an inch. If you read it wrong you're off by a factor of 39. All these weird conversion factors for feet, inch, yard, whatever, and THEN YOU DECIDE TO DO IT THE METRIC WAY FOR ONCE.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
quaint rune
🍿 the metric system seems alot cooler, i think im going to adopt it fully.
zinc dew
haw haw imagine measuring things with imaginary words like mils, when you can measure with real things like feet
inner bronze
But your feet or mine
zinc dew
This is why the N64 did best in the US, we just get it
elfin relic
'yard' is pretty imaginary for a lot of the population tho
love to do fractional math when I'm measuring something. one sixty forth of an inch
yes words made by sane people
inner bronze
I wondered for years why imperial people were using so many fractions. Turns out its on all of their damn measuring tapes.
elfin relic
it's on all the sockets too
inner bronze
Fractions on sockets?
zinc dew
'yard' is pretty imaginary for a lot of the population tho
A football yard, freedom sports for freedom units
elfin relic
okay fancy pants, what is an 'inch' then
elfin relic
well we don't call them thumbs do we
inner bronze
We did in Europe two hundred years ago
quaint rune
✌️ about the space between the tips of these
zinc dew
okay fancy pants, what **is** an 'inch' then
Short for Incheon, South Korea; our freedom friends of course
elfin relic
Europe doesn't have freedom units [anymore]
America took the freedom units when America freedommed itself
inner bronze
We used to have the Thumb as a unit until around 1820
elfin relic
and never gave them back
zinc dew
At least we don’t call our currency loonies, toonies, and baloonies
mild ether
Reality is the French failed to deliver the standards for the metric system to the US and we have remained free ever since.
inner bronze
Can we base a unit around the average size of a N64 controller port
elfin relic
I just remember being taught both in school because metric was the future
zinc dew
Can we base a unit around the average size of a N64 controller port
omg you are genius
mild ether
So if it bothers you remember it's the French people who screwed it up.
inner bronze
We can still fuck it up though. America will decide to use the inner radius as the definition and Europe uses the outer radius xD
zinc dew
ban Europe
inner bronze
And so "sixtyfours" will differ in size
elfin relic
so now we can use seven sixteenths of a sixtyfour
inner bronze
Yup
mild ether
I just remember being taught both in school because metric was the future
I remember being told that I wouldn't always have a calculator handy and that learning cursive was super important also.
elfin relic
me with my casio databank: say what now
mild ether
Super important if you want to write stuff the current generation cannot read which can be useful I suppose.
mild ether
I was told I write like an engineer which I am never sure how I should respond to.
inner bronze
Concise and the very opposite of cursive?
mild ether
I am pretty sure it's an insult.
hearty oar
When I show my coworkers my notebook they often tell me I missed my calling as a doctor
viral wadi
I wrote a check the other day. Realized it was probably the first thing I've written this year
By hand
inner garden
iron dove
The metric system is the tool of the devil!
My car gets 40 rods to the hogshead and that's the way I likes it
orchid nimbus
my car get's 50hamster cages per donkey tail while driving on hedgefundmanagerties
6/89th donkey tail is equivelant to 78/513 of a hamster cage
topaz otter
do you think that’s how Nintendo calculated how many bits the N64 has?
I don't know about bits but the latency of the rambus ram is measured in parsecs
mild ether
Is that like metric time or something?
topaz otter
my car get's 50hamster cages per donkey tail while driving on hedgefundmanagerti...
remember that englandites measure weight with stones
topaz otter
Is that like metric time or something?
the joke is that it takes a long ass time, the ram is slow, it moves at a glacial pace
mild ether
Sounds like something metric time would do.
topaz otter
by the time the N64's ram has moved a texture from the texture cache to the cpu, the next console has already come out
orchid nimbus
remember that englandites measure weight with stones
limestone right?
topaz otter
limey stones
zinc dew
blimey
orchid nimbus
quartered blimey stones
low tiger
Mils is great shorthand for Millimeters and then someone had to come along and u...
I think your thinking of “thou’s” which was always odd to me
unique coral
/=]P§
wanton sun
there will be a little surprise today....initially i only wanted to get 1 special situation to render correct, loaded from a savestate....but then i pressed start and was blown away. More soon 🙂
opal quiver
there will be a little surprise today....initially i only wanted to get 1 specia...
will we see mario's mustache?😁
lament escarp
Oh boi oh boi oh boi oh boi
weary palm
We still call inches "thumbs" in Sweden. (tum).
Mils are use quite heavily when designing PCB:s, especially through hole ones. The distance between two legs on a DIP chip is 100 mils.
wanton sun
will we see mario's mustache?😁
sorry 😦
lament escarp
Its beautiful!
solemn maple
remote hatch
You made my day @wanton sun congrats! ♥️
lament escarp
It's like the first ultrasound picture of an unborn child.
hearty oar
Feel kinda bad about using that eyes emote now
elfin relic
that's crazy awesome
wanton sun
crushed the quality of a different one down so i can upload it...
here is the core. Please, when trying M64, only use the the one patched for no tlb(no face) otherwise your mister(ddr3 interface) will crash
cedar otter
Well done Robert!
opal quiver
crushed the quality of a different one down so i can upload it...
Wahouuuu! 👍🏻🙌🏼 it’s more better than the Mario’s mustache 🙂 thanks for this amazing news !
viscid gate
here is the core. Please, when trying M64, only use the the one patched for no t...
Wow, congrats Robert, incredible progress!
weary palm
@wanton sun you're the goat 🐐
wanton sun
ok, will do that
lament escarp
crushed the quality of a different one down so i can upload it...
Thats technically payable! So it must be christmas. Again!
wanton sun
well it crashes after the first track and for some reason you cannot select properly in the menu...so it's more of a demo version 😅
opal quiver
cyan pagoda
So I literally shoved my phone to my wife showing the latest Robert tweet and went like : “ look! Look! On the mister ! On the mister omg 😱 “ and then I went nuts and my wife should definitely apply for a divorce but god damn I’m excited. Thank you for your amazing work as always.
wanton sun
@opal quiver m64 only works with the patched version and in mk64 you need to mash a/start in the intro or it will hang....
lament escarp
<@492076607092162561> m64 only works with the patched version and in mk64 you ne...
So it's like a modern release from cd project red?
wanton sun
the m64 ips patch is in the pins
golden ocean
That's some great progress! 😁 When is Black box coming as anew character to 8 deluxe
opal quiver
You can see ! So cool, on CRT as well
viscid gate
Wave Race shindou starts but hangs in the attract btw
zenith orchid
What an update 🥲
Seems like a little bit of RSP goes a long way
Also this really shows how forgiving the N64 is when so much is missing
wanton sun
yes, it never really depends on the RDP output
zenith orchid
wow, if thats the case, you could really zero in on the hangs and crashes
wanton sun
but you can clearly see what parts are missing to get it to render correct
quick arch
Donald Duck sound and little graphics
zenith orchid
haha yeah
solemn maple
This is so freakin' cool.
Great progress, Robert!
wanton sun
texture modes are the most important now, black boxes and squished text...then probably z buffering. It causes a lot of flickering with polygons changing from foreground to background, making them flicker
solemn maple
What speed is it running at you recon? Seem close to 100%
zenith orchid
yeah the speeds seem solid so far
wanton sun
probably only 20fps or so. The core is still missing the CPU datacache, making each memory read/write cost the full RDRAm/DDR3 latency...
mk64 in single player is very forgiving. Could probably run on a psx cpu
pale mural
Wow. Really nice progress @wanton sun
Nice to be at the point now where you can make changes and see incremental improvements in games.
solemn maple
20fps, so 96% of the n64 library runs at their original fps 😜
wanton sun
Nice to be at the point now where you can make changes and see incremental impro...
thank you! yes, it really makes it easier to have something to build upon
oblique remnant
Nice Star Fox 64 Intro has Sound and scrambled Grafx 🙂. It's actually playable or let's say running 🙂
zenith orchid
yeah this is a really exciting point. so much of your work will have immediate visible results
so far it looks like an N64 with a partially melted GPU
or maybe a few loose pins
solemn maple
How does games that are strictly 2d look?
wanton sun
most will not work, as the only texture mode currently implemented is unlikely to be used in a 2D game, so they will be just black mostly
zenith orchid
and how many texture modes are there?
wanton sun
20
zenith orchid
sheesh..
wanton sun
well, not really correct. Some don't exist and for some they are also split up to pure color and palette mode. So maybe 15 relevant in the end for 95% of the games
inner bronze
I just woke up to a sunday miracle
zenith orchid
I bet not all 15 are more important than z buffer and perspective correction
wanton sun
mk64 should be fine with 3-4 more i guess
inner bronze
Just pump it out in whatever order keeps you in The Zone more.
zenith orchid
yeah
hollow rune
Just watched the video of the opening of Mario 64. I am in awe.