NES/FC/FDS/Dendy

[dreamy marten]

. Let's not metal jesus him- he seems like a nice dude.

[clever scarab]

Yeah I like their YouTube channel

[fierce estuary]

Try is a lot taller than you'd expect

I'm always surprised by how tall he is when I bump into him at a retro con

very nice guy

[hasty river]

I absolutely love the Super Metroid orchestrated soundtrack

[verbal holly]

the only MSU-1 patches I've really been on board with are the DKC ones that are essentially just subtle arrangements of the original OST with uncompressed instruments, which definitely feel a bit more "as intended" compared to some of the ones that just use fan music or whatever

slightly more relevant to this channel I guess, I really don't care for the NES -> SNES -> MSU-1 patches, that seems really silly given how beloved the NES sound chip is

[clever scarab]

Yeah, those are amazing.

[inland blade]

Same here. The DKC reconstruction OST MSU-1 packs are absolute masterpieces.
Also, there's an FFV MSU-1 pack with Pixel Remaster OST which sounds simply awesome.

Other than that... WHY RoadBlasters and not Dragon's Lair on MSU-1? 😄

[fierce estuary]

I find these distasteful to say the least

[clever scarab]

They’re just goofy fun

[fierce estuary]

I don't like their colors or emulation quality and it's sinful to defile the nes music like that for some of these games

[clever scarab]

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[dreamy marten]

Oh it's good to hear other people don't like them either. I finally tried them recently and thought the music was really cheesy.

I thought it was cool that they were trying to mix it up, just like any rom hack. The originals are so much better though.

[fierce estuary]

I saw zelda2 with some orchestral music and I was just like.. "what are you DOING?"

[livid leaf]

I think the best way to put it is that the new music tries too hard to be an enhancement of the original music instead of doing it's own thing.

[fierce estuary]

I feel like changing the music is sort of like taking "Grapes of Wrath" and rewriting chunks of it that I didn't like and changing the ending and then re-releasing it as "Grapes of Wrath - Jamie Edition"

[dreamy marten]

If it was an actual orchestra, sure. There would be some skill and care put into the performance and arrangement. But it seemed like they plugged a midi file into a couple of wonky "realistic" synth instruments.

[clever scarab]

You haven’t really played Link to the Past if it doesn’t include the animated intro and orchestral cd music. Just sayin’

[fierce estuary]

the completely arbitrary and unrelated video of some guy picking apples

[clever scarab]

** 𝐈𝐦𝐩𝐨𝐫𝐭𝐚𝐧𝐭 𝐈𝐧𝐟𝐨 **

The MiSTer core is the most accurate NES/Famicom/FDS emulator in existence as it passes all currently known tests!

You must source your own games and bios files; DO NOT ask about it, DO NOT ask for it, and DO NOT ask where to get it.

If you'd like to help test TAS files then please use this spreadsheet - [LINK]

Things to know about TAS files:

• They were made on an emulator - could be an accurate or inaccurate emulator.
• Several only work on specific alignments of the PPU/CPU.
• The game has to be loaded last to make sure the memory is cleared to bizhawk.
• Most of them should use an offset of 1, but sometimes they use 0 if they are meant to start from a soft reset.
• There are different revisions of games and it matters.
• The current maximum size is 250ish kb for a TAS video, anything larger will fail.

(thanks to @glacial turtle for the testing spreadsheet!)

[tepid umbra]

It's a reference that Link is the same type of hero that Steve Jobs was. Watch my 12h lore video for more information.

[glacial turtle]

About a decade ago a British radio DJ Zane Lowe swapped out all the music in the film Drive with song that he likes and they showed it on TV. I love the film and the original soundtrack, and after about 15 minutes of watching this hubristic rescoring I turned it off and watched the original instead.

[urban meadow]

Forgive me father, for I have sinned! I have played the NES to SNES ports.

[hazy marsh]

Sorry, please hand in your badge and your light gun

[urban meadow]

Done and done.

[twin siren]

those are perfect.

[steep forge]

dkc dubstep is my favorite one

the sam miller ones are good too

[steel flume]

I like the one for alttp that adds new music for different areas. Like each dungeon has different music in instead of the same dungeon theme

[inland blade]

How's that one named, please? 😮

[dire lodge]

Dejitter is really cool, though with PAL/M-mode, it seems it works inverse (basically Dejitter should be kept off.)

@heady crow

[heady crow]

Turning it off gets the composite dot crawl to match a real nes now

[dire lodge]

Looks like in PAL-territories there wasn't dot crawl present, hm~

[velvet glen]

This is awesome, thank you. Makes my setup even closer to real hw now

[fierce estuary]

it should never be on for PAL

pal doesnt alternate frame lengths iirc

[hot wolf]

Wow - dejitter off looks great! You can really see the crawly fuzzies go away on the attract screen of SMB. Hope this get's added to the stable release build soon! Awesome work as always MikeS

[heady crow]

I'm only turning dejitter off, the wizardry was done well before me 😉

[hot wolf]

lol - grumpy old composite doesn't want the new display tricks

[sweet sparrow]

it's already one with everything, has no need for more

[clever scarab]

When are we getting jail bars?

[hidden isle]

MSU-1 is a godsend for randomizer players. When you're playing the same game for (sometimes very literally) the 1,000th time, having a choice in music packs is pretty nice.

[fierce estuary]

thatsa great topic for the snes channel. It gives me cold chills to think of someone implementing something like that for nes

[clever scarab]

An you do it

[tepid umbra]

I was thinking of acquiring the skills and implement it myself to torture kitrinx but making her do it herself is actually way better and punishing.

[oak egret]

It's disconcerting. I tried the Contra SNES port with MSU-1 and I couldn't do it.

[fierce estuary]

why are you all so mean to me 😭

[hidden isle]

It was discussed above; I just only check most discord servers every week or so lol.

[alpine meadow]

I am not against the MSU-01 ports, but like I totally get where you are coming from

[hasty river]

I'm hoping for stereo support for NES finally

[hazy marsh]

I have two ears so in a perfect world it would have stereo sound

[tepid umbra]

That's above average.

[alpine meadow]

But the NES is perfect

[hazy marsh]

I would have thought the people with 5.1 ears would have bumped that average higher

[urban meadow]

7.1 ears or bust.

[alpine meadow]

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/pandas-have-ultrasonic-hearing

[low panther]

There is some kind of famicon snac? I have the famicom lightgun

[glacial turtle]

There is NES SNAC that works on the core

[granite pivot]

There is. It works with the lightgun and 3D adapter, IIRC

Misteraddons sells an FC adapter for SNAC/SNAX

CRT is needed for both

(lightguns and 3D)

[verbal holly]

Zapper can actually be modified to work on LCD, using romhacks also, not sure if that will work on MiSTer or not though...

[hot wolf]

maybe the rom hacks just adds a few frames to the white box flash screen so the gun can pick it up

[verbal holly]

pretty sure it's literally just that, yeah

[warm galleon]

i don't think it would be that hard to implement tbh, at least the simple hack where you just put different channels to different speakers or both

[hasty river]

It was a joke since Kitrinx doesn't like it lol

[warm galleon]

i'll just blindly submit a PR and let her sorg me

[fierce estuary]

I did implement it once

I hated it so I didnt merge it

[warm galleon]

haha

[fierce estuary]

now, it would create annoyances with all the cart audio

[warm galleon]

i personally prefer it mono in emulators too

oh yeah i didn't think about the enhanced audio stuff

typically most games used pulse 1 as the lead and pulse 2 as the echo/reverb/harmony so you could do pulse 1 left pulse 2 right... i'm assuming that's how most emulators do it, then like triangle on both, noise on right (most mixing you put the snare on the right i think?), etc...

[tepid umbra]

I think the nes core is great as it is. That being said, I enjoy the suggestions for features that kitrinx hates simply because she is the only grown up around.

[terse wraith]

Reminds me of how Amstrad CPC has stereo sound output (three channels of audio split into center/hard left/hard right), while the intended method of sound reproduction is a mono speaker inside the computer. Some games sound strange in stereo.

[supple jasper]

i have nothing super constructive to add but kick and snare up the center on almost all mixes since the 70s. 60s stereo records did all kinds of whacky stuff like hard panning drums.

[primal ether]

Behold, a dark prince of evil: Dracula

[fierce estuary]

the audio channels also did all of the game's effects too

it was totally random which channel they used per song

[clever scarab]

How is NES controller compatibility on the core? Having problems getting this NES controller working,

[steel flume]

Depends on how you are looking to connect them. Most will work with a good USB adapter daemonbite works great. Snac can be kinda finicky I would only use that with OG controllers. I been using a polymega snes controller with a daemonbite adapter.

NES snac is a bit more tolerant ai guess coz it doesn't have as many buttons to deal with

[clever scarab]

I’m using this:

Weirdly the core doesn’t respond to it.

[steel flume]

I bet it would be great if you wanted to play a single player game with 3 people 🤣

That middle player will be bored as hell tho

[zenith linden]

or having a blast pissing off the other 2 players with pauses and status screens

[steel flume]

Did not think of that!

[tepid umbra]

This whole concept reminds me of nintendo joycons. You can have one normal controller or 2 controllers that nobody wants to use.

[dry lynx]

tbh the joycons were part of the appeal to me (until drift became a thing). The fact that I don’t have to spend like £50 (or however much) on extra controllers that one time a friend wants to play Mario kart or whatever. Makes local multiplayer more accessible

[tepid umbra]

Make that friend bring his own controller. I'd prefer ergonomic joycons over that half & half design they have. Sadly most 3rd party controllers sacrifice the hd rumble, which I actually enjoy.

[urban meadow]

I was shocked when the NYXI GCN controler I bought actually had HD rumble.

[tepid umbra]

I'll have to check out their line up, maybe they'll have something that satisfies me. Don't think I'll get the new gaming karen system anyway.

[dry lynx]

What if they don’t have a switch?

[tepid umbra]

Then they shouldn't expect you to buy a controller to play mario kart 8 against you that one time. They should be satisfied to play mario 64 with you on mister.

[dry lynx]

That I can agree with. Hope they like playing with a DualShock 😅

[clever scarab]

“gaming karen system” LOL

[steel flume]

only Nintendo could get away with that controller concept...if Microsoft or Sony did that.....

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-explode-nuclear-bomb-mushroom-cloud-gif-7885327

I don't care about the system itself but i'm really liking the polymega controllers. they don't feel cheap and i like wired controllers. the cable length is good too

[tepid umbra]

That's what they are and that's what I'll call them.

[dry lynx]

Yeah, the drift is really unacceptable. I hope they fix it in the next console

[steel flume]

I would hope hall effects would become the new norm for controllers

[dry lynx]

Fingers crossed!

[median whale]

No that's your inputs being crossed 😉

[vestal marten]

Hello! Is there a way to default the Input Options SNAC: to always be Controllers? I seem to have to set it every time I launch the core. Sorry bit of a MiSTer noob! I would imagine that I would have to set something in my MiSTer.ini

[steel flume]

Snac works like plugging the controller into an actual console. There are no settings it works how it would work with the real console

[vestal marten]

I've been looking into this a bit more, and I suppose what I'm looking for now is a way to have a mgl file that launches the NES core with SNAC enabled. When you start the NES core SNAC defaults to OFF. and I want it to be on so that my controller works.

As it is I have to enable SNAC in the on screen display every time I start a game.

[steel flume]

It should hold the settings if you save settings after turning it on.

I turned it on saved setting rebooted the mister and its still on for me

[vestal marten]

🤦‍♂️ ok that worked, I wasn't saving the settings. I can also change these by updating /media/fat/config/NES.CFG Thank you! you pointed me the right direction.

[steel flume]

Backup those cfg files for all the cores when you get it set the way you want it. You can just transfer them to a new install or new setup and not have to redo everything

[hot wolf]

Is there a special hack or setting to get Pac-Man Championship Edition working?

I've seen some videos online of people posting footage from a few years ago, but it doesn't work on the current core. Tried a couple version too and they didn't work

[grand jewel]

You need a correct iNES 2.0 header.

Already answered here.
#help message

[hot wolf]

patcher worked great - thanks!

[fierce estuary]

that python is probably some of the most amateur code i've ever written and it's probably one of my most popular things 😛

[dry lynx]

That’s pretty much always the way it works out 😅

[hasty river]

It really is

[grand sequoia]

has anyone here tried don doko don 2 on the nes core?

unsure if this is game has known issues. essentially glitched intro screen, and the game crashes after the intro cut scene

[grand jewel]

Works perfect.
Great case of incorrect iNES header inside your ROM file.

[grand sequoia]

thanks for the heads up. ill check out the rom

[primal prairie]

@fierce estuary Hey Kitrinx!!! Nice NES palette 😄

It sure does look like how I played it back in the day originally on RF.

[inland blade]

I must say that yes, Kitrinx's palette is superb and the way to go with FPGA NES enjoyment.

[fierce estuary]

Thanks 😭

I put thought into it

[dry lynx]

Kitrinx palette is the best palette

[tepid umbra]

Kitrinx is the best palette, the best sitter and the best kitrinx there ever was

[calm jay]

I always switch between Sony CXA palette and Kitrinx palette

[steep forge]

i always use the magnum palette. i can't get away from those vibrant blues and greens

best palette for ninja gaiden games. ryu look real good

[hasty river]

I use the Sony CX or whatever it's called it's my favorite blend of colors and saturation by far.

Hey this is fun to read:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nes/s/X2nysf5BSE

[blissful prairie]

The only person that acknowledges the Wrecking Crew greatness

And I am not kidding: I really loved the game when I was a kid myself. Punch Out, Gradius and both Zeldas were the best of course. Not quite on the level of those.

[steel flume]

Dragon Warrior, Punch Out, Metroid, Skate or Die 2, Super Mario Bros 3, Rainbow Islands were some of my games as a kid

[low holly]

Sorry for the silly question, but have someone tested Lupin Sansei: Pandora no Isan?
I have encountered the problem that during the gameplay it has graphical glitches. Both in the original ROM and fan-translation.
(Sorry, my English isn't very good sometimes)

[grand jewel]

Do you have a screenshot of the graphical glitches ?

[low holly]

I'm sorry if the quality of the photo is poor, but I think you'll understand.
The problem occurs while scrolling the screen

[clever scarab]

Is it an issue that occurs on original hardware?

Also your English is great! Apologies we don’t speak your language.

[low holly]

If I remember correctly, in childhood I had the same glitch on an original hardware (More accurately, we had not the NES, but the "Famiclones", called Dendy)

[low holly]

Thanks)
Don't worry about it

[low holly]

Well, I'm glad that our compatriot is one of the people who started MiSTer project)

[clever scarab]

Yeah Sorg is awesome

[low holly]

Yeah)

[grand jewel]

Can't reproduce on original hardware and the core.

[grand jewel]

That's either an issue with the ROM like an incorrect iNES2.0 header, or the core set as PAL/ Dendy instead of NTSC.

Most of the time, graphical issues with the core are in fact old ROMs incorrectly done on the header.

I've double checked with the ENG fan-translation of that game, and it works OK on my side.

[low holly]

Hmm, maybe so
If anything, I had the region set right (NTSC).
But still thank you for the responding. I'll try to find the properly working ROM then (I do not exclude that there may also be problems with my MiSTer, but I hope that this is not the case, because other platforms work without any problems, even PS1 and Saturn).

[grand jewel]

You talked about the problem occuring while scrolling, so I'm about 90% sure the header is incorrect (like a mirroring byte not set/incorrectly set) and just a better ROM to find.
Or, you can use a script from Kitrinx.

https://github.com/Kitrinx/NES_Header_Repair

[low holly]

Again, thank you for the respond and help

[grand jewel]

No problem.

[brisk sapphire]

Apologies if this has been answered before but is there anyway to play Nintendo VS. System games?

[low holly]

I was able to solve my issue.
Thank you once again
I'm sorry that I may have taken up your time.

[hidden isle]

Dumb question because I know the nes/snes controller handling is very similar--can a snes snac adapter be used on the nes core?

[clever scarab]

I think you’ll need an adapter cable?

[hidden isle]

yeah, maybe! I'm unsure because they use the same serial protocol afaik so from the viewpoint of the core they might both be the same? from the raphnet snes to nes adapter page:

I guess you probably still need an adapter because from the core's point of view it's reading each pin on the controller cable

[clever scarab]

Oh that makes sense, yeah.

The cool thing is, there are a few NES games patched for SNES mouse support.

[hidden isle]

Yep!

[sweet sparrow]

#controllers message

[clever scarab]

Oh damn, awesome! Thanks man.

I guess I should've tested myself first before posting lol

[sweet sparrow]

You're right, can get a nes to snes adaptor cable and use a nes pad with snes snac adaptor on nes core

Or snes pad 🙂

[hidden isle]

I don't have access to whatever link or channel that is

is it an answer to my question?

[clever scarab]

I fixed your roles so you now have the Cycle Accurate role. You will be able to access a lot more channels now

[hidden isle]

awesome ty

so the answer is "just yes", and I can use my super famicom controllers with a snes snac adapter with the nes core?

this is incredible news

[sweet sparrow]

I wish that role was assigned by default

Normally snac is only for the core the controller is from, snes/nes share their protocol tho

[hidden isle]

yeah, that's why I had the thought to ask. I was conflicted on whether it would work or not lol but it's amazing to hear it does

[urban meadow]

Yep, I beat Mike Tyson with my SNES controller using SNAC! He didn't stand a chance.

No ears were harmed in the writing of that post.

[steel flume]

Maybe its changed coz I havent used snac in a while. But snes snac worked with the nes core just none of the snes specific buttons were used just A B select start and the d pad

[fierce estuary]

Yeah

[frank hinge]

Quick question. So I've put my NES dumps in the NES folder. Where would I put my couple of Famicom dumps and FDS?

[grand jewel]

Same folder.
You can do some subfolders for your games, but not for the FDS BIOS.

[frank hinge]

Much appreciated thank you. Il create a sub folder for NES, Famicom and FDS. But the Bios's will be left in the main NES folder. (Not in a sub folder)

[grand jewel]

That's right (and how I've done on my system).

[reef bane]

pac man champ edition seems to be broken after doing an update all. I looked around in settings and such and can't find any obvious culprit

[hot wolf]

probably incorrect header - same thing happened to me. check this link:
#1091056042667937944 message

just put the files in your NES games folder and run the script. I did it via SSHing into the MiSTer

[tepid umbra]

I need a lengthy nes game to test my new battery with. Dragon quest is probably my best bet right?

[glacial turtle]

On an original NES? Pretty positive those don't have batteries...

[grand jewel]

Zelda 1 have a battery.

[glacial turtle]

What battery are you trying to test?

[glacial turtle]

Yeah, on the cart, but not on the console

[naive swift]

Lots of NES games with batteries.

[glacial turtle]

Actually does Zelda definitely have one? I didn't think you could save on Zelda

[naive swift]

Oh I see

Yeah Zelda does

Because in Japan it was an FDS game

[grand jewel]

First one on the system.

[glacial turtle]

What does the battery do?

[naive swift]

Save your progress

[grand jewel]

Keeping the saves on your progress.

[glacial turtle]

Huh, I thought you had to one shot Zelda

[naive swift]

Thank goodness no

[grand jewel]

As you can't write to a ROM chip.

[glacial turtle]

Maybe I was playing with a dead battery

[grand jewel]

Nope, and luckily.

[naive swift]

Could be. I think they were SUPPOSED to have a life of 5 years

[grand jewel]

I played Zelda 1 all my young years in my family.

[naive swift]

But some last much longer

[glacial turtle]

Huh, that's good to know, will have to replace mine if I decide to try plays on OG hardware again

Still curious what battery @tepid umbra Is trying to test

[tepid umbra]

#controllers message

[urban meadow]

Yeah, Zelda is pretty famous for being the first NES game with a battery backup for saving! Pretty much any RPG would be a good test. Final Fantasy would be a solid choice as well.

[tepid umbra]

Everything has a battery if you try hard enough

[urban meadow]

My battery is my ❤️ .

[tepid umbra]

Played through 1 literally last week.

Also a heart isn't a battery when you think about it. It's a pump. Your fat is your battery. So I'm not fat, I'm just high capacity.

[urban meadow]

Oddly enough, the Sega Master System actually had a battery game before the NES did! Though, I forget what game it was...

[urban meadow]

You're right. My butt is my battery.

[tepid umbra]

If there is a master system, doesn't that imply the existence of a slave system?

[urban meadow]

Or a scrub system?

[dry lynx]

That was the NES

[tepid umbra]

BURN

[dry lynx]

Still fighting the console wars. In my head they never ended

[fierce estuary]

non-volatile ram. There was quite a few especially in NA because they had to implement saving on carts for all the ported FDS games

the alternative was obnoxiously long passwords a la metroid and kid icarus

[dry lynx]

They did facilitate a whole bunch of cheat guides back in the day though 😅

[fierce estuary]

justin bailey

[dry lynx]

If that’s aimed at me - whoosh

[fierce estuary]

https://metroid.fandom.com/wiki/Justin_Bailey

[dry lynx]

Thank you 😄

[fierce estuary]

the original zero suit

[tepid umbra]

I love metroid. But dread somehow doesn't connect with me. Maybe it's been too long.

[steep yew]

Dread is definitely zoomer Metroid

I liked it a lot, those way forward metroids hit different.

[tepid umbra]

It felt so inconsequential to me. In every metroid game you had major plot stuff happening. Destroying the space pirates and mother brain, exterminating the metroids and adopting the baby, destroying the space pirates and losing the baby, becoming part metroid and destroying the x...

What does dread do? "Fight this one bird. Also become a metroid. For 2 minutes. The end."

[steep yew]

Oh interesting. I kinda of thought that the problem folks had with dread was that there was too much plot. Too much story. That you were force fed stuff.

And I dunno, I dig the chozo shit. It was some of my favorite flavor in zero mission and the prime games.

With that said, the chozo stuff is definitely bolted on to the original frame, so if you’re not interested in that, then “modern” Metroids probably don’t have a lot for you

[tepid umbra]

Chozo stuff is fine, but the story of dread has effectively 2 characters and everything is between them. And it's a huge difference between having story and how it is presented. Other m being a really bad example.

The presentation in dread was fine, I actually liked that 1 chozo line samus said. 😅

[fierce estuary]

I just didnt like being chased around

too stressful

im more of an explorer

[steep yew]

Yeah, I didn’t love the aimee or whatever sections.

[tepid umbra]

Yeah those weren't great

[urban meadow]

Turn in your gamer card!

[urban meadow]

Mercury Steam!

[steep yew]

https://tenor.com/view/theyre-the-same-picture-the-office-pam-the-office-us-gif-20757621

[urban meadow]

Madness!

[dry lynx]

I told you before that I wasn’t a Nintendo kid. Sega does what nintendon’t, after all

[urban meadow]

No excuses!

[alpine meadow]

I thought Dread was the best. Like they all have strengths, but it was so good.

[hasty river]

Dread might low key be my favorite. And weirdly, I suck at games but I immediately went back and beat it again on Hard and wish it had a harder mode. But not the mode where one hit kills you, wtf

[tepid umbra]

Well, I'm also a weirdo who prefers nes metroid to zero mission.

[urban meadow]

I love NES Metroid, and have a lot of nostalgia for it. It was actually the first video game ever that I bought with my own money back in the day. Did a bunch of work for my grandma to earn the money for it!

That said, I do still prefer Zero Mission. But it's really its own game. It's a re-imagining of the original Metroid, so it doesn't replace it.

[tepid umbra]

To many people it does. Also there is a huge number of yt commentators who act like the nes game isn't playable anymore and zero mission replaces it.

[steep yew]

I was playing SMB3 with my kid last night on the mister for the first time and noticed that the sides of the screen have weird draw artifacts. I assume that is known and is a byproduct of those being cropped out on real hardware, but I wasn’t sure if there was a way to do the crop on the mister

[sweet sparrow]

Audio & video | mask edges

Should do it

And yep it's the same on original hardware, hidden in the overscan
https://forums.nesdev.org/viewtopic.php?t=7844

[steep yew]

Oh yeah, I assumed it was exactly as it was on original hardware

[grand jewel]

The game uses the tiles on the edge hidden by the overscan for preparing the scrolling.

[steep yew]

Pay no attention to the pixels behind the curtain

[steel flume]

I like the original nes metroid but infidelity's snes port that adds the map and equipment screen has messed that up for me. I dont want to play without the map.

[tepid umbra]

So my old battery in the nes controller lasted 2h and the new one lasts almost 12 hours.

[steep yew]

I just started playing this and the experience can be summed up by saying (over and over) "how did we live without this?"

[blissful prairie]

8 pixels fake overscan on the sides should mask it

[tepid umbra]

Pen & paper

[steep yew]

Yeah....yeah. But what if it is was automatic instead!

[tepid umbra]

I get that it's more convenient and there are romhacks that add maps and saving to the nes version as well. But you can play the game as is quite easily with a pen and paper (probably there's an app for drawing maps for tablets as well) and have fun.

[urban meadow]

Who needs pen and paper when you have Nintendo Power!!

[steel flume]

You know there is an alternate more difficult escape sequence after beating mother brain if you select the orchestral soundtrack. Thats if you playing with msu-1

A note pops up when you select it saying there are minor changes to the gameplay

[hasty river]

Love me some Zero Mission just not a fan of that stealth stage at the end

[tepid umbra]

Zero mission is great don't get me wrong, but if I only get to play 1 of them I'd choose nes.

[hot wolf]

Only issue I have with the vanilla NES Metroid is not having a way to fill up on health quickly. Having to grind out health and missiles if you die or before a boss fight is pretty grueling.

At least there aren't too many hidden power ups in little blocks so you don't really have to bomb the floor constantly, but they are not the best about giving you clues in rooms that do have hidden areas.

I admit that I "cheated" a little by looking at a map for the Varia Suit and Screw Attack which you can get pretty early on, but that was to mitigate the number of deaths.

Otherwise it's an impressive game for 1986 and amazing how much of the core of the series is there. Probably not the best one to start with since it's so punishing and knowing the rules of the series helps.

[livid leaf]

The first Metroid is kind of a victim of that "Tower of Druaga" stank that plagued video game design for a bit in Japan.

Basically Tower of Druaga was a big hit in arcades, and developers thought that trying to make their games cryptic would lead to similar success. Like it's not a coincidence that Japanese games in the mid 80's had a habit of hiding secrets in obtuse ways.

Metroid isn't even the most egregious example of this problem either.

[fierce estuary]

I didn't think metroid was that bad about it

The carts were tiny and had limited resources, so they were trying to figure out ways to extend the gameplay, and in those early days they were often what we would call "cheap" tricks now like hiding things very obscurely or requiring grinding

metroid though did this with power ups and not really anything critical to win

I thought for such an early title they did a great job of it with the multiple endings and the speed run factor

it encouraged you to both explore a lot and find everything and also challenge yourself to forgo and finish fast

all in under a megabyte

it's easy to be critical with a modern lens when all this stuff is figured out, but I think they honestly did an amazing job

[warm galleon]

definitely have to kinda put on the retro goggles to enjoy the retro

[tepid umbra]

Another point is the "mapability" of certain games. Metroid and phantasy star come to mind. While they have rather hard to navigate environments they're super easy to map with pen&paper. Other games like phantasy star 2 are just a nightmare to map.

[hot wolf]

Usually with NES games I will read the manual if its more than a platformer or beat-em-up. Metroid's little map it pretty handy to give you a scope of the game

[steel flume]

My retro goggles are always on.

[hot wolf]

On the topic of the core itself I've been playing with the Dejiiter disabled and it's been working fine. Figured I could put in my 2 cents before the change gets rolled into the official release.

[hasty river]

https://tenor.com/view/youhavechosen-indianajones-lastcrusade-chosen-choose-gif-14225991833513791175

[tepid umbra]

I also prefer metroid 2 on gb to am2r. But I'll wont argue that the 3ds version is any good, even I'm not that crazy.

That being said, if kitrinx were to suprise me with an am2r core for mister on Christmas I'd be extremely happy.

[fierce estuary]

it's not really for a console

it's made in some kind of game maker type engine

[tepid umbra]

You're smart. Just imagine it's an arcade or something. 🙂

[fierce estuary]

I hate arcades 😛

[tepid umbra]

Best way to show them is to surpass all of them!

[steep yew]

I have it on my steam deck. Its a reminder that the internet is good sometimes

[hasty river]

it's been ported but I imagine it's too much for the ARM on MiSTer with no GPU

[fierce estuary]

I think the game engine uses a gui

or graphics api

neither of which is available on mister's arm

[tepid umbra]

So you're saying... it would need a Christmas miracle?

[urban meadow]

One AM2R by Christmas!

[hasty river]

Yeah 😢

[primal ether]

This sonuvabitch

[urban meadow]

[tepid umbra]

What's often not talked about the original dragon quest is that death doesn't make you go to the title screen but let's you keep your exp and level and you only lose half your money. So it's not that big of a deal as in other games.

[urban meadow]

They've kept that mechanic throughout the series as well.

[primal ether]

It's really not that punitive compared to FF 1

Just costs you precious time

Which we had infinite amounts of as kids.

[tepid umbra]

Well getting back to where you died alone gives you extra exp, so it also gets easier each time.

[primal ether]

There's not a ton of stuff to buy either so losing gold is more irritating than debilitating

[dry lynx]

🐉⚔️

(We need a slime emoji)

[livid leaf]

A metal slime one.

Just post one for a few seconds, then delete it before anyone notices.

[dry lynx]

I don’t know how to do that 😭

I tried joining a DQ discord so I could use their emojis but it complained I don’t pay for discord 😒

[primal ether]

I tried to join the DQ discord for Dragon Quest emojis but they kept saying, "sir, this is a Dairy Queen"

[dreamy marten]

Haha. I was there before but it was dead and weird.

They didn't make Dairy Queen or mr hoob jokes. Totally pointless server.

[dreamy marten]

Hmm. We could all migrate there and then we'd be able to use their emojis.

[dry lynx]

Let’s do that!

[urban meadow]

I'd post a Dragon Quest slime GIF, but I've used up my GIF quota for the week!

[primal ether]

https://tenor.com/view/dragon-quest-slime-slimes-dq-dragon-quest-slime-gif-24175878

I'm still under par.

[urban meadow]

Was hoping you'd post the puff puff one, but I'll let it slide.

[dreamy marten]

There's a quota?

[dry lynx]

This discord does need more Dragon Quest

[steel flume]

Dragon Warrior on Nes was my first rpg

Also the first nes game I owned besides the packin game Super mario bros and duck hunt

I remember playing it so much that among my friends. If we ask one another about about going somewhere and doing something and they said no..we would say "but thou must!!"

[primal ether]

I honestly don't remember which game I had first but I remember Dragon Quest (US version Dragon Warrior) and Hydelide. FF's giant foldout monster poster too. I know I got to FF after those two. Definitely my first RPG's

Like, there were other things around that I'd get to touch here and there but those are games I had and could finish 😄

I guess Legend of Zelda counts too, huh?

Kind of

[steel flume]

There are always arguments about whether zelda is a rpg..honestly its probably not but it says something about the series for it to always come up in the rpg conversation.

[primal ether]

It was one of the first games that I had to save progress, explore a big world, and collect items to progress. It feel big and epic to me similarly to those other games.

[steep yew]

Zelda definitely feels like a game that someone who enjoyed roleplaying games would make.

[urban meadow]

Same! Well, actually I did play a bit of Ultima Exodus on the NES before Dragon Warrior, but Dragon Warrior was the first one I really played and finished.

[steel flume]

I tried Ultima but never really got into it

[urban meadow]

More of a running gag on my part. We're not supposed to spam GIFs in threads outside of general-banter and spicy-off-topic. But the occasional GIF is fine.

[dreamy marten]

Gotcha. I'll try to do my part.

[primal ether]

oh, we're just taking some dives now...

[fierce estuary]

we already had it

[blazing oracle]

added with the name "metalslime"

[fierce estuary]

[blazing oracle]

added with the name "slime"

[clever scarab]

That’s the character limit on slimes

[dry lynx]

Thanks @fierce estuary!

I shall use it liberally!

[tepid umbra]

best.day.ever.

[urban meadow]

This emoji update is sub||s||lime.

❤️

[tepid umbra]

Nature calls!

[primal ether]

Is that from a romhack?

[tepid umbra]

It's a retranslation

[inner violet]

My Origin8 controller by Retro-Bit is stopping the NES core from loading. Any idea what might be going on?

[clever scarab]

Nope, but wipe your controller configs and try again.

[ashen wing]

Am taking my NES specific question here:

Any idea what the NES.f3 file is in my "/media/fat/Config" folder?

[clever scarab]

@fierce estuary sorry to bug ya, but what’s the .F3 file for in the NES core?

[fierce estuary]

no idea, does it matter?

[clever scarab]

Don’t think so

Core makes it anyways so it’s safe to delete

[fierce estuary]

maybe it's savestates or something

it's probably just some state storage

filter or whatever

maybe pallette

one of those kinds of things

"H3P1FC3,PAL,Custom Palette;",

yeah palette

[clever scarab]

** 𝐑𝐞𝐦𝐢𝐧𝐝𝐞𝐫 𝐨𝐧 𝐁𝐮𝐠𝐬 **

If you’re seeing issues in games then do the following:

• Ensure you have the latest core by downloading it from the pins - [LINK]
• Double check you don’t have multiple versions of the core and delete older ones.
• Check your core config to make sure everything is set to default or simply delete your config and try again.
• Test against real hardware (if you can) to make sure it’s not a bug with the original game/hardware.
• If you’re playing a fan-made patch, then check the original game first as patches may introduce new bugs.
• Finally, look on GitHub to see if the issue was already reported - [LINK]

(the NES/Famicom core is mature enough where most issues are already known and anything else is likely a bug with the original game/hardware or you’re doing something wrong)

[inner violet]

@clever scarab wiped my controller config and it solved my issues. Thank you.

[clever scarab]

Great! There was probably a method to figure out exactly what went wrong but the ‘ole file delete is the quickest way to fix it lol.

[hot wolf]

Minor typo on the current unstable. Should be Dejitter

[dry lynx]

@dreamy hornet, your time to shine 😂

[dreamy hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/perfetto-yes-gif-26163077

[grand jewel]

I am already on it during the last minutes.
Thought about the same for our OCD users here. 😂

[grand jewel]

Typo fixed : Dijitter --> Dejitter
Updated the sys template with the changes from today.

[glacial turtle]

What was changed in sys?

[grand jewel]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Template_MiSTer/pull/86

Some quick changes on the response code from sd_card module.

That was just to be up-to-date with the template and it was accepted earlier on GitHub.

[urban meadow]

Typo fix hype!

[lean stag]

having trouble getting this hack of mega man 2 up and running, anyone know what the issue is? https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/7968/

got the patched rom working in mednafen, but not the mister core. something to do with weird mapper configuration?

[tepid umbra]

The patch notes that it doesn't work on certain emulators. Maybe kitrinx could add support for the core, but dunno if she is willing to do that for 1 romhack.

[fierce estuary]

probably, but its annoying when people use mappers in impossible ways

[tepid umbra]

At least they documented their crimes neatly. 😅

[lean stag]

gotcha, thanks. would be cool to see it work, but understandable considering it's a nonstandard mapper usage

[primal prairie]

Is the remix music available separately?

[mellow dawn]

Mapper26 is based on the powerpak mapper. Quick code skimming looks like 512kb and chrram appear to be in place...

[lean stag]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DHyvrOh9HA

[hasty river]

Wow that sounds great

[jaunty pier]

Does anyone know what would cause a SNAC-connected NES Power Pad to only register button 4 on side B in a particular game?

I used another Power Pad like 1 or 2 years ago with the same MiSTer and it worked fine, but I can't get the Power Pad I just bought off eBay that the seller confirms working to work....

TBH the "controller swap" feature is confusing

Street Cop expects you to use a controller in one port and the power pad in the other. Is this possible with a SNAC v1 (single-port only)?

TBH though I tried World Class Track Meet, and it doesn't register anything from the power pad either. Am I doing something wrong?

because it's been so long, I can't confirm if it's something I did wrong or something broken in the core, or something wrong with the power pad

[dreamy marten]

What are people's thoughts on saying "Super Marios BROS" vs saying "Super Mario Brothers"

When using a speaking voice

[tepid umbra]

Bros make the think they really get along well. Brothers makes me think "Brother, may I have some oats?" Different vibes.

https://youtu.be/O7FIiYsVy3U?si=usemh5JPbXqnpDFa

For reference.

[urban meadow]

I always say brothers bro.

[dry lynx]

I say “bros” cos Mario is a bro

[sweet sparrow]

Bros just puts 'when will I be famous' in my head

[dreamy marten]

I always say Brothers. Just heard a YouTuber say "Bros" and I didn't care for it.

Everyone I knew as a kid used to say brothers. Maybe it's an old person thing.

[steep yew]

Bros, brothers, whatever - nothing will be more grating than Mare-e-oh

[dreamy marten]

that's how many people would say it in his home city.

[steep yew]

People in Missouri pronounce it "Missourah" - that don't make it right.

[dry lynx]

Most Scottish towns and cities also come to mind

[dreamy marten]

With the Scottish towns, we can probably blame whoever created the spelling though right? The local pronunciation probably came first.

[glacial turtle]

They come from old Scots, not English. Different language.

You have no idea the quiet contempt Scots feel when someone butchers the name of the town they live in.

[dry lynx]

In my experience they’re usually not so quiet, but I don’t blame them!

[dire lodge]

Listening to the Game Over-music for Balloon Fight on Animal Crossing's NES Emulator shows that the buzz at the end is meant to be on a very low-sounding note instead of a jarring noise we see in the official rips and most of emulators

Had long been curious about this whenever playing it on NES-core

[fierce estuary]

Is it? Sounds like misuse of triangle channel

[livid leaf]

I wouldn't trust that emulator over the much more fleshed out emulators we have nowadays.

[hasty river]

I don't know the sound but this quality is terrible enough I wonder if it's from a real NES

https://youtu.be/4JMY2dMnK_E?si=7AwjNH8XWdSd7dof

[dire lodge]

https://youtu.be/skVlsNYp8SQ?t=5m56s

Looks like you were right, never mind

[fierce estuary]

if that's the case I intentionally disable the ultrasonic triangles and we also have a low pass filter

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NES_MiSTer/blob/master/rtl/apu.sv#L299

[topaz moon]

assign Sample = (applied_period > 1 || allow_us) ? (SeqPos[3:0] ^ {4{~SeqPos[4]}}) : sample_latch;

[fierce estuary]

allow_us is a parameter that's disabled

I think I was going to make it optional at some point but decided nobody needed to choose between audio artifacts and proper sounding audio

[dire lodge]

What's audio artifacts based on? I was thinking the whole "early nes music was based on running RF-connected CRT outputs" hypothesis I've seen in one forum but guess it's not applicable here

[fierce estuary]

Real NES had some form of lpf. The triangle channel can produce a tone above hearing but digital stuff can't handle it, so it comes out as a high pitched artifact

[dire lodge]

Hooh -

Wonder if you wanna compile and share build with the audio artifact option here, kinda curious to explore how it'd sound anyway on games

[fierce estuary]

Nope

Use an old build from a few years ago if you want to hear the beeping

It was reported as a bug

It is a big in the sense the original systems never made those noises and they are very distracting like balloon fight

[dire lodge]

What build can you specifically point to?

[dire lodge]

According to Hunter R who does vids on technical aspects and glitches on Animal Crossing GCN, the emulator in it is one of the most accurate Nintendo's ever produced (including accurate sound?)

https://youtu.be/2w0U_evVEd4?t=2m6s

[fierce estuary]

It's probably not much compared to Mister or mesen

Run some test roms

[livid leaf]

You also have to remember it's still an old emulator originally made for the Nintendo 64.

It doesn't even run every NES/Famicom game for starters.

[dire lodge]

(Balloon Fight-Game Over-music on the AC's NES Emulator, the finishing buzzing noise sounds lower)

Is this inaccurate audio then?

[fierce estuary]

Probably. I dunno. Misters is accurate so compare to that

[dire lodge]

Mister does the regular harsh buzz noise instead, much like the CRT footage vid I went to check for comparison and linked here (+ every regular emulator)

Bummer, I was lead on - audio's most likely inaccurate in AC's emulator

[fierce estuary]

The ultrasonic tones shouldn't be heard

They are like 34khz

Try using a 2khz top level filter to emulate composite

[dire lodge]

1st or 2nd?

(I'm going 1st since you said "top")

[fierce estuary]

1st

One pole filter

[grand sequoia]

has anyone here gotten just a gray screen on seicross (JP) ?

i tried to run it through a nes header fix script but no dice

(or rather it reports the header was unchanged)

[grand jewel]

No problem at all on my side, either the JP Rev 0 or JP Rev 1 versions.

[grand sequoia]

thanks for that, prob a bad romdump

ill look for another rom

[dull ledge]

Been playing Mario bros 3 (USA) and noticed some lag in some levels, I think when there are a lot of sprites at the same time. I was wondering if this also happens on original hardware, but I can't test that. Is the core to be known to run games as well as on original hw? To clarify, it only happens in very few area's.

[livid leaf]

That is normal. The limitations of the NES means it's prone to sprite flickering and slowdown if there are too many sprites being drawn at the same time.

The core does have an option to extend the sprite limit to reduce this problem, but it can introduce new problems for games dependent on the original limit.

[dull ledge]

Right, so if I experience lag in the core, I would probably also experience that on original hardware, correct?

[livid leaf]

If it affects the original hardware, then it should also affect the core in the same way.

[clever scarab]

For all the mature cores assume any issues you’re seeing happen on original hardware too. Unlike software emulators, FPGA emulation recreates the hardware components which results in identical behavior to original hardware.

[dull ledge]

Good to know thanks

I have also seen something something similar in Super Mario World 2, but luckily there's a turbo option there that eliminates the lag. Was a turbo core considered for NES as well?

[urban meadow]

Slowdown and flicker was absolutely rampant on the NES, so yeah that is completely normal. Slowdown was also extremely common on the SNES, especially in the early releases on the console. Embrace the slowdown!

[supple ermine]

I think cores vary on how much they actually copy individual hardware components.

[hasty river]

I specifically remember Zelda in dungeon 8 the darknuts moving slow

[hot wolf]

Gradius III is launch game with Super slow down. The SA-1 patch to speed it up makes it harder

[clever scarab]

You’d be surprised by how a lot of 8 and 16-bit games perform poorly. They were often not optimized or pushing the hardware hard resulting in slowdown and sprite flickering.

[hot wolf]

See: NES games made by ||Micronics||

[livid leaf]

I love Kirby's Adventure, but I swear to God every time I use Spark it feels like the game is dying from a stroke.

[steel flume]

Maybe it is?

[urban meadow]

We don't speak of Micronics!

[livid leaf]

M*cronics

[clever scarab]

My chronic

[steep yew]

Mi Chronic

[sweet sparrow]

took em almost 40 years but they got there with Mario Wonder

[dull ledge]

Never knew this. Actually first time I noticed it on NES was in level three of Mario bros 3 USA. I can trigger it in every emulator no matter how powerful the hardware is, even with optimized settings. So that was a sign then I guess. I always thought it was an emulation problem.
Thing is problem doesn't happen on PAL version, which made me believe that even more.
But good to know now it's expected behavior.

[sweet sparrow]

They got a lot out of that 1.79mhz CPU. Often by cheating with coprocessors in carts, but still its impressive many games ran at all 🙂

[dull ledge]

Yeah for sure. Still amazed about Mario Bros 3' graphics and gameplay on the system

[clever scarab]

The fact the game can do both horizontal and vertical scrolling at the same time was such an incredible feat too. It required an advanced (for the time) memory management controller on the cartridge to pull that off.

[tepid umbra]

It's still advanced even for modern games. The final fantasy pixel remaster can't scroll in the 4 cardinal directions without stuttering.

[dull ledge]

Cool, never realized that was a thing

[steel flume]

Mario Bros 3 is still my favorite of the series. Alot of people still argue Super Mario World is a better game. It may be but it just built on what 3 did..didnt really tread new ground.

Didnt get the same feeling of awe with SMW as I did with SMB3 playing the first time.

[dire lodge]

Super Mario World expanded on certain foundations and conceptions on what Mario was to people back in the day I feel

I have SMB3 and World kinda sharing same spot, can't decide which is better between both lol

[steel flume]

Well I could probably say that if SMW hadn't taken a step down on the power up selection

[livid leaf]

Super Mario Bros. 3 was arguably the game where the Mario series became the Mario series.

A lot of the later games would follow the formula established by Super Mario Bros. 3 and introduced a lot of elements we nowadays take for granted.

[dire lodge]

I'm guessing it's because World ended adding new mechanics or functionalities that diminished need for more powerup variety (Especially due Yoshi)

[steel flume]

The power ups were more than utility to me. No I didnt Need a hammer suit,frog suit or tanooki suit even in mario 3. They were fun tho.

I think Super Mario Bros wonder really got back to that.

[hasty river]

SMB3 had too much. I'm just gonna say it. Every level was different enemies different powerups but they made them hard to get so you tried for three stages to get the frog suit then one hit and you lose it. I never got to enjoy any of the special suits because of this. Super Mario World was more concentrated and you had multiple opportunities to get powerups, then if you did lose it you could always go to a stage that had them and exit

SMB3 is still an amazing game and I do wish World had more variety in the stages but I think it did everything else better

[steel flume]

I knew you would chime in .You were who I was thinking of when I said alot of people argue SMW was better .lol

[hasty river]

haha

I just spent years in SMB3 trying to get those powerups and always losing them immediately. It was so dumb lol

[fierce estuary]

NES games had tons of glitches, flickers, slowdowns, odd noises, and etc

people just tolerated that kind of stuff back then

[hasty river]

it was always like "Ohhh here's the frog suit finally finally YES oh shit it's gone"

[fierce estuary]

on fpga there isnt really very great ways to overclock NES without just breaking everything because it did too many hacky things and worked too closely with hardware. the best way of overclocking it would totally break analog video on mister

just learn to love it like we did in the 80s

software emulators can do that because they dont have to run in real time

[steel flume]

You just gotta get gud so you dont lose them so fast .

[hasty river]

Well I haven't in 40 years so I don't think it's gonna happen

[fierce estuary]

I could do something really fucky like double the length of vblank and double the clock speeds while in vblank but that would break the sdram access time

[hasty river]

I think when SMW added the "backup" powerup that was a real game changer

[dry lynx]

This is true, also without the internet unless people pointed things out you might not have noticed

[steel flume]

You wouldnt do that coz we all know how much you like to stay as close to real hardware as possible

[fierce estuary]

I don't mind adding reasonable quality of life stuff, like extra sprites, but I kind of have a standard about how clean the feature has to be

and overclocking nes would be very very messy and disruptive

that becomes a burden to the user because they have to constantly decide if it's safe to use, it's like an attractive nuisance

[hasty river]

attractive nuisance

That's me alright

Could be a good album name too

[fierce estuary]

it's actually a legal term

[clever scarab]

Literally the first game I used with the MiSTer was the Sega Genesis core with turbo on and playing Sonic the Hedgehog. If you don't remember that causes severe graphical issues such as Sonic missing from the title screen.

I was extremely let-down after dropping several hundred bucks on a MiSTer build the moment that happened LOL.

I forgot if the option was turbo or extra sprites?

[hasty river]

Extra sprites

[clever scarab]

Thank you

[steel flume]

Super Mario Bros Wonder I think was a good balance of the best parts of smb3 and smw. It made every power up useful and made levels to enjoy them.

[clever scarab]

My point is, please don't add options that has a high probability of breaking shit. Plenty of first-time users will just toggle it on and then come here and complain that the MiSTer sucks.

Because I think that's what I did with Sonic LOL

[hasty river]

I'm playing through Wonder my second time right now. I like it a lot although it seems like 95% of the stages are "this is too easy" and 5% are "holy shit the devs are evil"

[fierce estuary]

on NES, I added some logic to minimize the graphical artifacts from extra sprites. I only know of one game where it causes any kind of graphical disturbance, which is a 4 pixel orange line on the title screen of mike tyson's punch out

[clever scarab]

That's awesome. Thank you for doing that.

[fierce estuary]

there was times game programmers exploited the sprite limit to hide things, but this is detectable

so I added that

games like castlevania 2 and zelda used this, and would have some graphical glitches without that

[hasty river]

Literally unplayable

[fierce estuary]

I just think making users have to always choose to try to find the "best" experience is crappy. You add a few things like that and you end up having to make like 6 choices before playing a game and that gets tedious and distracting from the experience

you see it too often in software emulators where you are messing with like 8 plugins to an emulator before playing the game, flipping things on and off, then you hit some scene where it doesnt work right and you turn it off

like

it's a concern people dont need. it's better to not have bad choices

also some games were literally tuned around the slowdowns

[steel flume]

The 1 thing I miss from software emulation is per game settings. In retroarch you could have a core wide setting for all games. But if you found a game it didn't work for you could change it and save it just for that 1 game. Still alot of work but you only had to change it once.

[fierce estuary]

that's more of a mister framework thing

there's no reason it can't exist on mister, but i'd argue in an ideal would it shouldnt need to exist

[steel flume]

You can do it in a round about way in mister as it is. If you use the favorites script that makes the 1 file that opens the game and the core. Each can have separate settings mister treats those files like individual cores. Its how I have separate settings for the regular psx core and the turbo one.

[dry lynx]

I’ve said it before, but this approach is the reason MiSTer appeals to me. I like how the “out of the box” experience is essentially identical to original hardware. If I wanted to tinker with settings and wonder if they’re going to break my game, I’d stick with RetroArch

If that makes foregoing save states, turbo options etc, then so be it. I didn’t have those back in the day either - and software emulation still exists for the occasional times when I might want those things

[urban meadow]

It's what killed the Pixel Remasters for me! Thankfully, you can fix it on PC with a 120hz display by modding it.

[tepid umbra]

My own fault for buying it on switch! 😭

[urban meadow]

You made your bed, now live in it!

[steel flume]

I agree and I could do without those options too. Just saying if you gonna have them anyway. Individual game settings is 1 way to get around having few games that dont work well with them.

I guess just not using them is another .lol

[fierce estuary]

I think the "need" for a lot of them is sort of false

people added them because they could and now people feel like they need to overclock or have higher res texture or whatever

or hq2x or whatever else

but these systems were fine to play once upon a time, we didnt have issues with it

I think just re-creating the original visuals, with the crt effects and things, is enough

save states are fine, when possible

what paul did with snes is great

[terse wraith]

People were discussing the Balloon Fight game over music a few days ago. There's an unreleased FDS conversion available which actually fixes the broken note at the end.

[dull ledge]

I totally agree. I think on SNES where you have turbo mode and PSX where you have 2cpu core users are aware that with standard settings you get the original experience, and your luck may vary from game to game with the turbo options. (Although on PSX I seldomly find problems).

Today I played Super Mario World with the SA1 patch. It runs without any lag or glitches so far and I think it's awesome that's possible. I could totally live with the fact if such improvements weren't possible though.
It did make me wonder if such kind of adjustment is possible for NES games as well, as in if there were any better CPU chips used at all on some cartridges like on SNES.

[fierce estuary]

the later the system the more decoupled from directly working with the hardware they are

like a 2600 you can do hardly anything without everything bursting into flames

even though it's a very simple system, it has to be very accurate because of how low level the games are

[fierce estuary]

there's tons of hacks that use like MMC5 and later mappers

modifying the game is a much much better solution than modifying the system

take a look at the zelda redux for instance

or the castlevania 2 thing that makes the game better, or the metroid one that adds saves and a map

[fierce estuary]

this was officialy by nintendo, it's floating around after the fds game leak they had a while back

pure clean copies of every fds game

[terse wraith]

Unfortunately that version has broken random music notes during gameplay, so there's no perfect audiophile version of Balloon Fight.

[fierce estuary]

I mean, that's how they made the game

maybe they felt it sounded good

[terse wraith]

I heard previously that Balloon Fight was made with the original "square button" Famicom model in mind, and all audio glitches happen only on later revisions of hardware.

[fierce estuary]

I doubt it

the apu part of the cpu didnt really change much

the original famicom was rf only so it's possible they expected the attrocious audio quality to mask it

[clever scarab]

I think if people want big features that go beyond stock hardware that the MiSTer doesn’t support, there is already a solution for them. Just use software emulators.

[tepid umbra]

Only non-stock feature on the nes core I use frequently is to remove the sprite limit. Core is pretty perfect, thank you kitrinx. 🙏

[dry lynx]

What’s wrong with flicker?!

[tepid umbra]

I play a lot of RPGs, like mother and dq3 where you have a lot of dudes walking in a column, so the flicker is almost constant in those games.

[clever scarab]

I mean, it’s ok.

[dry lynx]

But that’s as Miyamoto intended

[tepid umbra]

He can sue me if he doesnt like it. (He probably already did but the courts can't work through his ddos barrage of law suits)

[dry lynx]

Cease and desist, you heathen!

[tepid umbra]

I heard myamoto bought large patches of the rain forest to make his own paper to keep the costs for all his nasty letters down.

[fierce estuary]

I use the feature to black out the sides

and trim the overscan

[tepid umbra]

I use an external scaler that handles that sort of thing. But yeah such things are always appreciated.

[fierce estuary]

the external scaler can't really know when the left edge is on or off, so I dont see how, unless you just want to indescriminately trim game content

the entire horizontal display is intended to be visible

nintendo added a border specifically so it would not end up in overscan

[tepid umbra]

Afaik I've only trimmed it top and bottom, as this is where flicker in RPGs like FF and DQ happen that scroll in all 4 directions.

[fierce estuary]

right, but some games will create a solid bar of color on the left

this was intended to blend in with the border, but we dont draw the border so it sticks out as just an ugly bar of color

the bar of color was a feature of the PPU intended to mask corruption from certain scrolling modes

there's a feature that will mask that to black when it's enabled in the ppu

the bar on the right is not masked ever and only certain games that do bi-directionall scrolling like SMB3 will have corruption there

[calm jay]

Yes, please keep default core options as close to original hardware

[supple ermine]

If original hardware draws the border, we should draw it too.

[fierce estuary]

probably but the ppu isn't implemented that way at the moment, and it's very unappealing on modern tv's

I have a revision of the ppu that makes it optional but I never merged it

[tribal hinge]

https://forums.arcade-museum.com/threads/nintendo-vs-game-differences-from-nes-and-pc10.99429/page-3#post-4436395

No one mentioned the Gold Bike in Vs Excitebike. You knock over 5 bikes in a row and your bike turns gold and you get unlimited turbo in the Vs version. That doesn't happen in the NES version. The gold bike is actually the excitebike and changed the way you play the game for strategy.

Has anyone played the vs version with this feature? (I think maybe famicom too?)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=uZ6LLdMJAEc

[granite pivot]

I have played it before. IIRC, the FC cart is identical to the NES version, but the FDS Vs. Excitebike is based on the AC version and should have the feature.

[tribal hinge]

I noticed the Virtual Console Excite Bike had this functionality patched in, so I went on an endless hunt to figure out how to convert VC Roms (wad files) to NES roms and once I did, noticed Excite Bike was the same as the stock ROM. They must have patched the games separately on top of that so I wasted my morning 😅
(They did the same for the recent mario and zelda game and watch releases)

[tribal hinge]

I did confirm this though, thanks. FDS version works well. Sad no save states on famicom hence my hunt for the VC Excite Bike stuff (not a huge deal I just like save states since I tend to play in very short bursts)

[hasty river]

Fds doesn't have save states?

[tribal hinge]

I only learned this today, but no.
Per https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NES_MiSTer

Savestates
Core provides 4 slots to save and restore the state (FDS not supported).

[hasty river]

Aww

[dreamy marten]

I played on my real nes tonight. Mister over composite looks better than nes over composite.

[urban meadow]

Yeah, NES over composite is pretty bad on real hardware.

[blissful prairie]

But was that visible on a CRT? I thought the SMB3 corruption was hidden by some pixels of overscan?

[blissful prairie]

Please do. Keep at least all those warts that are common to NTSC and PAL systems.
I really want a 1:1 NES replacement (but being from Europe had a PAL system back then which probably skipped over some NTSC warts). I think more cores should revisit their options to ALWAYS offer "original" by default and add options to improve on that. But it should be made clear, what the original System with a common standard TV in the 80s would have looked and behaved.

I will always remember when I first played Legend of Zelda on Nesticle on a PC with square and clean pixels. It looked nothing like I remembered ( having not played it for certainly more than 10 years). I was offended by its looks but couldn't point my finger to an exact reason.

[clever scarab]

Yes it was always visible.

Unless your TV’s overscan was especially egregious.

[livid leaf]

You can tell a lot of NES games accounted for the overscan, because they designed the UI around the assumption pixels would be cut off from typical televisions at the time.

[fierce estuary]

vertically the nes relied on overscan to trim some lines at the top and bottom, horizontally nintendo went out of their way to make sure nothing was cropped by overscan, it actually had a border to the right and left making sure the whole horizontal screen was visible

[alpine meadow]

My dad says the same

[tribal hinge]

I am struggling to get this game going. I posted about it here as well if you would be able to help at all! Don't see much talk about this game so it's hard to find support https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?p=93882&sid=4c892b3ed59b739d507813049b481094#p93882

[dry lynx]

So does that mean I should see the SMB3 corruption at the leading edge? I better stop masking it out if so

[fierce estuary]

yes, that is supposed to be visible

[dry lynx]

Thank you ❤️

[fierce estuary]

at least that part of the screen is. There's an option to black it out in the core, but it should definitely not be masked 100% of the time, it's expected to be always visible

[dry lynx]

That’s good to know, thank you. I’ll unblank unless it really annoys me 😅

[urban meadow]

Embrace the screen edge cases!

[livid leaf]

The overscan fandom is dying.

Like if you love edging.

[tribal hinge]

I give up. Unless someone tells me they have actually run the vs excitebike NES rom successfully on mister at this point I'm not convinced it works 😅 I have tried way too many roms, run thr header script, and am out of ideas at this point

[half pasture]

Just glad to report that
Chouyoku Senki Estique works beautifully on the NES core! 😍

[urban meadow]

You could call me an edge lord.

[mellow dawn]

Did you try this one: #1091056042667937944 message or this one #1091056042667937944 message ? I dont think her vs changes were merged.

[tribal hinge]

I will try when I'm at my desk. Thank you!

[fierce estuary]

oh yeah, I forgot I did those

[tepid umbra]

That's the kettle calling the pot black. Or something like that.

[blissful prairie]

In Europa SMB3 was soo late in the NES life circle that many people would rather wait and move to Super Nintendo and play SMW rather than buying and playing SMB3. Thus I had to ask. I have fully memorized SMB 1 and 2, but only rarely played SMB 3 if at all.

SMB 3 in Europe: September 1991

At the same time the SNES was already available in the US and came to Europe on April 11th 1992

[alpine meadow]

You needed Super Mario All-Stars

[hasty river]

I feel lied to when All Stars came out it was marketed as being identical physics etc. To the originals but now years later I find out that this isn't true

[tribal hinge]

this is a step in the right direction insofar as now the game actually loads, but graphics are completely garbled on the title screen and more critically in gameplay the track doesn't properly display objects on the course.

so it's not what I would consider playable.

(and to be specific I'm referring to this rbf file #1091056042667937944 message

the second one you linked doesn't work at all

I'm on unstable main if that matters
edit: stable doesn't work either

[blissful prairie]

I would like to have some options revisted: e. g. Instead of Overscan --> on | off it could be Display Area --> original | add overscan

It should be made clear what is the original console behaviour and what are additions that people in 2025 would possibly want

And it should be always clear which options affect digital out and what options affect analog out. That is vague in MOST cores (not NES specific at all).

[fierce estuary]

there is no original console behavior is because it's based on your tv

however most tv's of the era would have trimmed some amount of overscan from the top and bottom, which is why it's on by default

[steel flume]

I knew that after playing it for 10 seconds. There are patches that fix some of my biggest issues with SMAS physics

[hasty river]

All I can find is the brick patch are there others?

Sadly I didn't have an SNES growing up so I only knew what I read in magazines

[steel flume]

Not losing your momentum when breaking brisks was my biggest issue but I believe there was something else Im not thinking of right now

[hasty river]

hmm well if you think of it I'd be interested in any patches that fix inconsistencies

I'm looking on Rom Hacking and it just has palette fixes and stuff, and the brick physics fix

[steel flume]

Iits not physics related but I like the graphics hack that makes the blocks in SMB look more like the original SMB and not a SMW hack .lol

[tribal hinge]

ok so I guess I'm not going to waste any more time on Vs. Excitebike NES since it uses mapper 99 and I'm having issues which you basically confirmed is expected here. At least I learned a little something on this endless journey 😅
I'll stick to Famicom Vs Excitebike.

[hasty river]

So there are these Konami NES ports: Time Pilot, Scramble, and Frogger, they were dumped from a plug and play device called Konami Collector's Series Arcade Advanced

they do not appear to run on MiSTer and are not in the NES header database apparently

[tribal hinge]

https://tcrf.net/Frogger_(NES,_JungleTac)

Apparently it never ran on a real NES

[hasty river]

Right but it does run on at least one software emulator reportedly

[tribal hinge]

Ya that was what I was about to ask

Curious which emulator that is

[hasty river]

one sec it's a weird one lol

"NintendulatorNRS"

https://www.reddit.com/r/Roms/comments/1emnlfv/official_version_of_scramble_for_the_nes/

Maybe others

[supple ermine]

If it doesn't run on a real nes,do we need some new core "incompatible famiclone"?

[hasty river]

Yes! Kind of like Mega Duck

[clever scarab]

Do those versions offer anything different from their official releases?

[hasty river]

Well, I don't know Robby, cause they won't load!

[fierce estuary]

NewRisingSun is sort of known for adding the weirdest and most secure mappers to the point of totally alternate systems

it might be some very weird clone system only

[hasty river]

Sounds like it

[grand jewel]

I've maybe saw an issue with the final version of ESTIQUE on the core (some black lines on the backgrounds).

The demo version is okay, but was developed last year.

I need a second check later today with a second pass, as I need to check if my dumper is working correctly (no public dump is available for that game).

[grand jewel]

I'm seeing the same thing on the latest unstable version of Mesen, but not on the real hardware (and the real cart), even after a new fresh dump.
And the dumper seems to work correctly with other games.

The game seems to use some tricks with the mapper, I need to check the dump with the emulator debugger.

[fierce estuary]

What mapper is it

mapper 4

you're talking about that flicker on the title screen I assume?

it seems this isnt really mmc3 but does something weird with two different prg roms that auto-select region or some schenanigans like that

[timber lava]

On the title screen there is also present on real hardware
https://youtu.be/won-6P5Hx-M?t=71&feature=shared

[fierce estuary]

I dont see it in that video

the ship's screen flickers

[grand jewel]

The black line on the robot firstly.

The black line during the intro on that screen, shown on the person in blue (see the hair and the hand).

The black line on the character on the right.

And mostly present on backgrounds on the second stage (I don't have the screenshots at the moment).

The flickering line during the gameplay is present on the original hardware and also on the past demo from last year (normal behavior).

[fierce estuary]

It's probably a bad dunno

Or on the real hardware

[clever scarab]

So what kind of game is that?

[grand jewel]

New shmup on Famicom/NES.

#games-and-patches message

I will try to check my dumper & see if the problem goes there.

[fierce estuary]

It's not mmc3

It uses a special mapper that limits the ROM size based on region for the English release

[hazy marsh]

Has anyone played Stanley: The Search for Dr. Livingston? Is it worth checking out?

[half pasture]

It flickers on real hardware. Dump of the Japanese version is in the wild already

Is pause when OSD is open broken in the core?

Games are still running when it’s ON here

[grand jewel]

After some checks, it's a bad dump for Estique.

[half pasture]

Can you pls share the MD5 of your rom?

Mine is: 2fbaeac521099d434d515164c2cd3f45

[grand jewel]

I'm redumping the JP verson right now with my updated dumper.
And a friend will bring me the PAL version within the next minutes at home.

MD5 - e1d5ba84f117d7afaa13660adb30b82e

[half pasture]

Headered? Maybe we should compare the unheadered portion of the dump?

[grand jewel]

PM'ed.

[grand jewel]

Two different intros on ESTIQUE.
NTSC JP on the left, PAL on the right (with real cards).

And no black line on the JP RGB capture.

The correct MD5 values are :
910ABB1381C273494A7E043824D4C08B NTSC
3A827474093A48AD096CD80314C5FD67 PAL

But I can't dump them correctly with my current dumper machine (same black lines, like some PRG ROM infos that aren't dumped correctly, maybe. And same results as the dump on the wild).
It probably needs an update & I need to check the cards electronic on my side + testing time later this week-end.

The pins are working correctly on my machine, as I can dump other games without issues like Mega Man 3 or Super Mario Bros 3 with it.

No black line on some stages on a real Famicom machine and the real JP card.

[clever scarab]

wow that looks super good

[fierce estuary]

the game itself is kinda mid but it hs good graphics

the mapper is a non-standard mmc3 variant which gets a new mapper number

new rising sun dubbed it 484

[grand jewel]

484, okay, thanks for the info.

[tepid umbra]

Oh, so like modern games? Neat.

[fierce estuary]

nothing will support this yet

but that will be the proper designation

[simple hedge]

These are the headered values?

[granite pivot]

The right should apply to the US NTSC version, as well. I wish they just translated the JP cutscenes. I ordered the JP version. I have an AV Famicom to play it on.

[grand jewel]

Headered values, from others at No-Intro.

[jaunty pier]

Does anyone know if there would be a specific reason a NES PowerPad would not recognize most buttons in my testing over SNAC? button 4 seems to work in street cop but I can't figure out why the rest doesn't

[half pasture]

I wonder where did they get that md5’s from? And based on which header?

[grand jewel]

Private dumps.

[mellow dawn]

Do you have snac set to controllers? Try switching swap joysticks

[jaunty pier]

tried swapping. SNAC was set to powerpad

[mellow dawn]

That is not an option

[jaunty pier]

not sure where you're referring to then

[mellow dawn]

snac can be off, controllers, zapper or glasses

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NES_MiSTer/blob/master/NES.sv#L257

[topaz moon]

"P2oJK,SNAC,Off,Controllers,Zapper,3D Glasses;",

[jaunty pier]

oh I had that set to controllers

let me boot it up now to check

[mellow dawn]

That is all I can see that matters

// Indexes:
// IDXDIR Function USBPIN
// 0 OUT Strobe D+
// 1 OUT Clk (P2) D-
// 2 BI Glasses/D3 TX-
// 3 OUT CLK (P2) GND_d
// 4 IN D4 RX+
// 5 IN P1D0 RX-
// 6 IN P2D0 TX+

[mellow dawn]

pad requires strobe clock d3 and d4

[jaunty pier]

That mean it requires more than the basic SNAC adapter I have?

[mellow dawn]

If you have the standard nes snac adapter they should all be wired as above

Most games use powerpad on 2 and controller on 1

You do have the powerpad in port 2?

[jaunty pier]

How can I when it's SNAC?

I have a single-ended SNAC adapter

I thought that's what swap joysticks was for

I don't have an NES controller so I was wanting to use my DualSense as controller 1 and the powerpad as the second

[mellow dawn]

See the above table. Some wires go to physical port 1 and some to port 2

[jaunty pier]

yes but can I tell it to make the SNAC go to physical port 2 with my single-SNAC adapter or do I have to actually buy a SNAX or SNAX64 with 2+ ports?

@mellow dawn I have a basic understanding of wiring, but the statements don't indicate if there is a physical requirement for the ports to be separated or if a setting tells it to use physical port 1 or 2 on the simulated NES on the FPGA

so this would help me understand the problem if it's that I'm using a single-ended SNAC adapter that actually always connects the controller to port 1, and I didn't know that.

I'm not sure if that is the case here, so if that's it, please let me know

[mellow dawn]

Looking at code I think it supports both single and double. and swap allows you to choose for single. I dont see what is wrong with your usage

[jaunty pier]

hmm... grr.. this is aggravating then because I tried swapping but Street Cop only recognizes button 4 and the World Class Track Meet game doesn't recognize anything.

[mellow dawn]

Sounds like the clock signal isnt working

or the strobe is stuck

[jaunty pier]

is that dependent on the adapter or the powerpad itself?

[mellow dawn]

could be anything in the path

[jaunty pier]

F

[mellow dawn]

not sure when the last time this was used. Could also be changes made broke it

[jaunty pier]

I remember using it before. Problem is it was with a different power pad... and it's been a long time (like more than a year or 2)

but it worked fine with street cop iirc. Idk what to really look at though

The seller on eBay said it was tested working.... so idk

[mellow dawn]

Does button 2 work?

[jaunty pier]

not sure how to test

Is there a powerpad controller tester homebrew?

[mellow dawn]

Does 240p test suite have it?

Do you have a regular nes controller?

[jaunty pier]

I do not

but I'll see if I can source one

[mellow dawn]

That is in 240p test suite https://github.com/pinobatch/240p-test-mini/releases/download/v0.23/240pee.nes

[jaunty pier]

o.O

pressing button 4 on the powerpad causes buttons 3,4,8, and 12 to turn on in the test

Button 2 causes all the others to turn on (1,2,5,6,7,9,10,11)

@mellow dawn

[mellow dawn]

Either strobe or clock then

[jaunty pier]

on what?

the powerpad itself? or we still don't know

[mellow dawn]

dont know

strobe signal to powerpad tells it to send 2 and 4

when strobe ends, clk tells it to send the next one in the list

if strobe is stuck it will always send 2 and 4

if clock never comes it will always send 2 and 4

[jaunty pier]

ugh... :S I'll have to get with someone with a real NES to see if this is reproduced on real hardware probably.

[mellow dawn]

Whether it is the power pad or the fpga or anything in between....

If you have a multimeter you can check strobe pretty easily

[jaunty pier]

oh? I do. I'd have to find it

could any damage to the cable do it?

[mellow dawn]

yes

[jaunty pier]

They wrapped it like this in shipping

[mellow dawn]

Note that 2 and 4 are working so at least 2 of the wires are working

Is that your snac? Completely in a case would make it impossible to probe without opening

That does look like the 2 port connector

[jaunty pier]

https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?t=3876

someone seemed to get similar behavior

I'm starting to question if I ever got it to work and my memory doesn't remember if my friend may have hooked it up to a real NES

We might have actually

I think we actually did.... now that I think about it. So... I wonder if it is the core

[mellow dawn]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NES_MiSTer/blob/master/NES.sv#L621

[topaz moon]

USER_OUT[1]  = ~joy_swap ? ~joypad_clock[1] : ~joypad_clock[0];

[mellow dawn]

Maybe the clocks are swapped

[jaunty pier]

Anyone able to try a test build for me to try 😅

[mellow dawn]

I take it back about testing strobe

You can measure at the pins on the port on the snac cable

With a multimeter. No opening required

[jaunty pier]

I'd have to find my multimeter....

[jaunty pier]

what mode would I set the multimeter to? I have very little experience with it...

[mellow dawn]

d3 and d4 are working

volt dc

out is strobe

An NES controller might also identify it

If that is easier to find

[jaunty pier]

Sad to say I don't have one, but I have an NES zapper lol

Found my multimeter... problem is not the cables @mellow dawn

[mellow dawn]

Strobe is low most of the time?

[jaunty pier]

No.. sorry xD need to clarify. I mean I can't find my cables for the multimeter.

I hate English xD

Found this tho

[mellow dawn]

You could get creative with cables and clamps if you wanted to

Control strobe and clock by connecting to gnd and 5v and wire d3 and d4 as normal

and use 240p test suite to read d3 and d4

[clever scarab]

Ultima Exodus for the NES is the best Ultima. Prove me wrong.

[urban meadow]

That's actually the first RPG I ever played! Even before Dragon Warrior!

[blissful prairie]

Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar on SMS is better 😉

[clever scarab]

@fierce estuary tell me I’m right

[steel flume]

I tried Ultima when I was a kid and it just didnt capture me like Dragon Warrior did.

[clever scarab]

||im trying to troll Kitrinx ||

[steel flume]

👍🤣

[mellow dawn]

I rented NES Ultima Exodus a few times, then several years later bought it at full retail $60 because I remembered thinking the character portraits were amazing. I still love it

[steel flume]

In any case there is a reason we still getting new Dragon Quest games and not Ultima games..lol

[fierce estuary]

Ultima 7 is the best ultima

[fierce estuary]

yes

EA bought origin and owns the IP and let it die

[tepid umbra]

EA is evil? Oh my.

[clever scarab]

Sorry not on NES

[fierce estuary]

it's on snes

[terse wraith]

Sad that there were no Ultima remakes on PS1/Saturn like there were for Wizardry games.

[clever scarab]

you win this round

[tepid umbra]

There is ultima underworld on psx. It's japan exclusive but there is a fan translation.

[blissful prairie]

But not a version of it worth playing

[fierce estuary]

im not going to disagree with you, but it was a relevant counterpoint

[clever scarab]

Translation: “you gotta out troll the troll sometimes”

[blissful prairie]

If I want my Mister core to look something like an end of the 80s consumer TV, is the Kitrinx pallette a good choice?

[fierce estuary]

should be, composite colors are composite colors

there's no right answer for exactly how they should look, outside of certain bounaries

[steel flume]

Im kinda weird I guess I like the pc10 pallette.

[hasty river]

Well apparently the sky should be purple which I will selectively ignore

[hasty river]

I love the Sony CX something or other

[fierce estuary]

the sony cx one is oversatured and out of bounds

[hasty river]

hey I'm already sold on it!

You don't have to convince me

[fierce estuary]

it was made through a pretty flawed system of reading colors off a screen

but that doesnt work because you cant feed colors back through a screen that changes colors and get the right color

the colors have to be what they should be before the screen itself applies it's color characteristics

[hasty river]

Alls I know is I like how it looks

It's like me, flawed but loveable

[steel flume]

Even as a kid I thought the arcade colors looked better even tho it wasn't what I got most of the time

[fierce estuary]

if you like sony cx, try my fully saturaged palette dinierto

[blissful prairie]

Should be moved to the custom pallettes then

[fierce estuary]

why?

[hasty river]

Hmm is that already loaded in the core or do I need to grab it?

I've tried some saturated cores and they were too saturated but I'm always up for trying more

[fierce estuary]

it should be in the palettes that get downloaded an can be loaded as custom

it's called like Kitrinx (full saturation) or something

[hasty river]

hmm where do those get stored?

[fierce estuary]

that one is probably better for poor quality tv's, like crts

[hasty river]

I have a folder for Palettes but I downloaded it and added it myself

[fierce estuary]

it's random how a crt will display an image though so it's hard to say

[hasty river]

Kitrinx34 High Saturation.pal?

[fierce estuary]

well it's in the github for nes core in the palette zip then

yeah

[hasty river]

yeah that's where I grabbed these

sweet I'll try it

[fierce estuary]

that's the one

[steel flume]

The high saturation one dont look much different from pc10 just gets a little brighter

[calm jay]

I need to try it, as I switch between your and Sony

[hasty river]

It looks good! Might be my second favorite

[tepid umbra]

It's the one I use so I can feel at least a bit classy. I love high saturation.

[hasty river]

the Sony CX I think has higher saturation 😬

but there's like a firebrand or something something saturated that looks insane to me lol

[tepid umbra]

If it doesn't give my oled burn-in in a minute the saturation isn't high enough.

[hasty river]

might be FirebrandX magnum I'm thinking of lol

[tepid umbra]

Palettes should be titles like condom sizes. Normal, big and magnum. And one should always use magnum.

[blissful prairie]

If it's nothing that can be recommended?

[fierce estuary]

it's one of the most popular palettes

I don't love it but a lot of people do

just because i'm a stickler for appropriate colors doesn't mean I need to impose that, it's not a functional issue

it's like trying to force people to use tasteful wallpaper

[hasty river]

I have the most tasteless wallpaper possible right now, I was going to change it back but it makes me laugh

[blissful prairie]

That's gross

[tepid umbra]

Is this part of the switch 2 leaks? Nintendo will come after you.

[covert crypt]

I can't decide which palette I prefer. I have no nostalgia for NES and never owned one growing up so I have no idea what it would have looked like on my own TV

[blissful prairie]

Well, even in that case a realistic possible 80's look should be advisable. But if the default is a realistic color pallette that could have been seen on a consumer TV, I am totally fine with that.

[hot wolf]

Good article to help you decide:
https://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/Famicom_color_palette#Palettes

I do prefer Kitrinx USA since it's not so garish and helps background elements appear more like, well, the background since they are darker.

[dreamy marten]

I think both Kitrinx and wavebeam are excellent but I like how Kitrinx describes the magic used in her palette so I use that one.

[fierce estuary]

i dont even know what kitrinx usa is

the only one I really ever intended to be released was the 34th iteration

the rest are just beta's I had people evaluate

the saturated one too as an alternative

[dry lynx]

I use Kitrinx for the same reason

[hot wolf]

It's the Kitrinx34 one I use, included with the core's repo (sorry for the bad info!)

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NES_MiSTer/tree/master/Palette

[covert crypt]

Might switch back over to Kitrinx then; I was giving FBX Smooth V2 a go. I enjoy magic.

[blissful prairie]

I guess that the whole palletes topic is really hard to fully understand. I myself wonder why there are not separate PAL palletes to mimic old PAL TVs. I am not really certain that PAL colours really differ, but who knows.

[covert crypt]

I remember back when I used to be on a pixel art forum and someone mentioned the PAL colours were much more neon/vibrant

[hot wolf]

There is also the D65 vs D93 gamma stuff, where in west our colors are warmer and in Japan the colors are cooler.
On the NES there isn't really a true color. Really depends on the output device. In Super Mario Bros. the Kitrinx palette on my IPS monitor looks more purple, but more blue on my CRT.

And that's just this particular CRT. If I tried another one it would probably look different.

[fierce estuary]

the blue and purple thing is a matter of interpretation

the blue voltage was illegal

depending on how the tv decided to deal with the out of range voltage it could be somewhere between purple and blue

miyamoto said puplish though so im sticking with purplish

[glossy bridge]

Is it possible to set save state saving and loading to controller button keys in the NES core or can you only do it via menu system or other means? I don’t have a mister at the moment so just checking in advance.

[fierce estuary]

you can have key combos to do savestates

button combos

[glossy bridge]

Oh that’s awesome. It’s limited to 4 right? I probably would only use 1 mostly (speed run practice).

I have an Everdrive for my nes, so if I use a mister I was hoping for similar functionality.

[spiral pewter]

interdasting. NES colors are a neat topic to me even if they're probably beaten to death over the years. I know just due to discussions over the years, people generally agree purple is probably the correct color per interviews, but always thought it was neat depending on TV.

Whenever I hooked my NES to a few TVs in more recent years, it was always blue and in my memories it's blue, but I don't think kid me would have even noticed it being slightly purple or other differences on different TVs or something back then.

I use the Magnum because it's closest to what my AV Famicom outputs on my current TV, but it's neat there's a lot of options that could all realistically be valid. I do appreciate a relatively sane, maths upped default, as well.

[fierce estuary]

the chroma is what varies

composite colors are all chroma + luma

the luma is pretty fixed

when the luma is whacky it messes with your eyes in games like zelda 2

the chroma varied between models of PPU, but also because it directly generated composite, when some colors fell out of spec the chroma for them was literally undefined

[clever scarab]

Mario Bros sky is vermillion

Or whatever the color is that I keep forgetting

Purple rain

Mario is Purple Rain

When Koopas Cry

[dry lynx]

The colour is whatever Kit says it is

But this attention to detail is exactly why I love the MiSTer. And the fact that the defaults are always a very thoughtful consideration of what original hardware was like is such a great thing as an end user

[fierce estuary]

Periwinkle you savage

[clever scarab]

[hasty river]

button combos, but it's a three button combo so it's a bit awkward. I really wish we could do a two button combo of our choosing

[quiet swift]

I'm running the latest core and I can't seem to get Pac-Man Championship Edition lookin good

it used to run fine too

Any ideas?

[sweet sparrow]

probably the header
#help message

[urban meadow]

Was just about to assist, and then CountDuckula snipes me!

[dreamy marten]

Yeah if you got a newer version of the game, the old one might have had the correct header.

[urban meadow]

When I encountered the issue, I just took the easy way out and downloaded a different version of the game. That one worked.

[quiet swift]

Weird I'll try a different rom

[sweet sparrow]

the one from htgdb set works for me
MD5 EF824FA073B9B34FB07B9CABA33EECA0

yours does look different, like sync not just garbled
and if the same rom used to work....
maybe try resetting settings in nes core

does it look ok over HDMI?

[quiet swift]

garbled on hdmi too

[sweet sparrow]

interesting, the OSD is fine too but does look differently wrong

[quiet swift]

tried resetting the settings no luck

[sweet sparrow]

if i set system type to PAL i get some graphical issues but not like that

same issue with another ROM?

[urban meadow]

Mine used to work as well before it stopped working. There was a change in the core that broke a specific version of the game.

That happened last year some time.

[sweet sparrow]

ahh gotcha

find one that matches that MD5 and it should be good then 🙂

[quiet swift]

new rom fixed it all good 🙂

Test you nerds to beat the score

[hasty river]

We actually did a game of the month or whatever with that game one time. I couldn't come close to the high score lol

[clever scarab]

Yeah that one threw me for a loop too. It’s always funny when a fix exposes bugs elsewhere.

[fierce estuary]

btw is there any more info on Estique? Are there good dumps floating around?

[grand jewel]

None at the moment.

[glossy bridge]

Ah that’s good to know thanks! I also wish you could choose 2 or 3, but I guess something is better than nothing. I guess there’s no chance of a core update?

[hasty river]

For what?