SNK Neo Geo

[full raven]

These glitches are normal

Are these glitches in emulation too?

[limber atlas]

Good that you confirmed it Goemon

Also @nocturne storm mentioned horizontal lines in Shock troppers

But I believe that is normal

[full raven]

I'm sure

but

i'll take a look later

[nocturne storm]

Thanks for checking! No, emulation doesn’t show them why is why I was curious if real hardware did too. Don’t worry about shock troopers, that one is fine. Thanks again for your effort.

[full raven]

no thanks needed, just let's enjoy this gorgeous core

[still gorge]

Did someone say there's a way to pause MVS games with unibios?

[lucid flume]

Isn't that just opening the unibios menu with start+select?

[still gorge]

Is it?

[limber atlas]

Yes

Start + select

[still gorge]

Is there a way to bind a single button to that?

[limber atlas]

No , cause if you set up alternative controls you will then loose the option to start game

[still gorge]

well that's not really important

[full raven]

if you select AES mode with unibios, you will have pause with just select button

[still gorge]

Right I meant for MVS

[patent granite]

https://x.com/yuzokoshiro/status/1707026030051905640?s=20

Yuzo Koshiro (@yuzokoshiro)

Recreating the NEOGEO start-up sound from scratch with MML on the PC-88FA

NEOGEOの起動音を88FAで打ち込んで鳴らしてみます。

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[wary bronze]

Neat

[soft juniper]

This Yuzo Koshiro person seems pretty talented

[haughty veldt]

We need more Neo Geo discussion!

What is everyone's favorite Neo Geo game?

I love Neo Turf Masters.

[patent granite]

https://youtu.be/zuA8pd9EvO4?si=duNUWXx1YfvjIRbz

This one!

[haughty veldt]

Probably followed by Blazing Star and Garou: Mark of the Wolves.

[patent granite]

Garou is chefs kiss

[wary bronze]

Samurai Shodown.

Followed by Samurai Shodown 2.

And then Samurai Sho... wait, no. Ninja Combat.

And I will always have a soft spot for Breakers and World Heroes. It's high quality jank.

[patent granite]

World Heroes 2 Jet apparently is played competitively in small groups even today, and has some gameplay depth

[soft juniper]

Last blade (2)

[still gorge]

Metal Slug X

[wary bronze]

It's weird to say, but they ruined it when WH Perfect moved away from two buttons 😄

[soft juniper]

I will say I probably have spent the most time playing money idol exchanger due to some competitive people in the dorms.

[willow girder]

Metal Slug and Neo Drift Out

[frail spire]

Waku Waku 7 and Money Puzzle Exchanger

[fluid idol]

It is funny watching people having their first tries with exchanger

[still gorge]

MPE is similar gameplay to Magical Drop right

[fluid idol]

Yes'ish

[soft juniper]

Sort of

[fluid idol]

Ypu build up yens to their next coin level

101=10, 510=50 and and so on

In short ypu have to now the values of coins

And colour

[still gorge]

oh damn that sounds like more than I want in my game

I want fast reaction not calculations lol

[gritty yoke]

fast reactions are calculations 😄

[still gorge]

yeah no lol

some people like math and other homework in their games

I'm not one of those

[lucid flume]

I've played a ton off it and I never even realized it's money. Just make groups of same things. It's great.

[still gorge]

Ahh

[lucid flume]

Maybe in not playing it right but I'm having fun!

[frail spire]

yeah that's one thing I like about it. that kind of gameplay was never made again

[fluid idol]

Might be a 2-3usd concept for steam

[still gorge]

This is me at literally every game ever

[craggy terrace]

my partner is a beast at money idol exchanger, she grew up on it, it's amazing

[tropic tartan]

Samurai Shodown 2 is the greatest fighting game ever made. I have spoken.

[haughty veldt]

I do love me some Samurai Shodown 2.

[craggy terrace]

it's no Garou Mark of the Wolves but it's extremely good

[patent granite]

Samsho2 is an excellent game. It taught me the importance of normals in fighting games.

[gritty compass]

Gotta have strong neutral in Samsho

[patent granite]

Charlotte's normals are so sneaky and fun

[still gorge]

Normals?

[patent granite]

Just regular moves. IE the ones that happen when you press the button crouching, standing or jumping. Like not the ones with command inputs.

[still gorge]

You didn't use them before?

Is this something I'm not going to understand as a casual player

[patent granite]

Everyone uses them, but understanding their strategic importance fully is another thing I guess

[still gorge]

Ah, yeah I don't get advanced stuff in fighting games

Maybe if I found something that could explain them

[gritty compass]

If you want just terminology explained, there's a great resource for that

https://glossary.infil.net/index.html

as for understanding the genre as a whole, it's always kind of hard to find a starting point outside of playing a game you find interesting or fun, playing it with other people, and then slowly learning the concepts. That's at least the experience most people go through

[haughty veldt]

Normals are important in neutral. Poke at the opponent with a mid range normal that is low risk? Or use a risky special move that can be easily punished? Usually landing that normal will lead to a combo into a special or other normals. Samsho is less about combos though, which is why understanding the importance of normals is so crucial.

[still gorge]

I've literally never known about or been able to do combos in any game that wasn't Killer Instinct or MK3

I didn't even know Street Fighter II had them until like 5 years ago

[haughty veldt]

A combo can be as simple as hitting the opponent twice without them being able to get out of it. Low kick then low punch for example.

[still gorge]

best I could do was jump kick then sweep lol

[haughty veldt]

Combos don't have to be massive strings of 15 hits.

[still gorge]

Mine are one hit

[patent granite]

Me too...|| when I play Guilty Gear X||

[plucky stag]

I used to think this and then I played the people at Mikado in Sam Sho 2

Turns out that game has combos and they really, really hurt

That said sam sho combos are usually pretty short and painful, like 2-3 hits

[wary bronze]

That Hanzo heavy attack forward flip...When it connects, and they get all of it.

[patent granite]

The heavy attacks hit hard. The gameplay feels like a measured kurosawa movie sword fight scene at times. Really enjoyable.

[still gorge]

Where do you go to learn this stuff?

[forest bloom]

Fight Club

[still gorge]

You just broke the rules

[wary bronze]

I'd say "check YouTube" but that's like getting pushed into the deep end of the pool a lot of the time. I can't even absorb the info of high level play.

I'm pretty casual with fighters, despite being one of my fav genres. I've always just experimented with doing a move, and then seeing how much time it takes to get the next move in. Some moves are shorter than others, and some flow better.

Take Ryu's jump in Fierce Kick to a crouch Fierce Kick. It's just two normals, but you can time them to flow beautifully and boom: powerful two hit combo.

[limber atlas]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NeoGeo_MiSTer/issues/210

Again lol

[full raven]

is he using unibios ?

[limber atlas]

Good question

Probably

[nocturne storm]

what happened to blackwine? the neo geo arcade core he made was a great addition.

[forest bloom]

he went silent

you can still play all the Neo geo as arcade

so you arent missing anything

[nocturne storm]

Sure i know. I love to have the games also in the arcade folder.

[forest bloom]

Thats what MGL was introduced for and no I dont use it so cant explain it

[nocturne storm]

it is not the same as you can't save individual settings for each game with MGL.

[limber atlas]

I thought you could

I guess not

[nocturne storm]

nope because the MGL are just shortcuts to loading roms into a core. not like MRAs of the arcade cores which created separate config files.

[ocean phoenix]

You can by using <setname>. Just rename it to what you want.

https://github.com/RGarciaLago/MGL_Core_Setnames/blob/main/_Console/NeoGeoMVS.mgl

So per each game you give it a new <setname>.

[nocturne storm]

Ok but i already have the arcade rbf and mra. No need to do all myself 🤩✌️

[ocean phoenix]

Oh ok, great!

[nocturne storm]

Yeah these where made by blackwine. That's why i asked for him.

[ocean phoenix]

Ohhhh, I see

[urban vector]

I don't use his implementation, but if he still supports this then several more unofficial Neo Geo titles had support added to the core recently he could also support.

[swift solstice]

Hello everyone

Would I run into issues with the core if I tried dual ram with 128 + 32MB sticks?

[limber atlas]

No

[swift solstice]

I was suggested that the core will only see the smallest ram stick no matter where they're installed

[limber atlas]

That’s not true. If you got the 128mb in the main slot then the core will detect that

[forest bloom]

the Neo Geo core will simply know nothing about the 2nd memory slot

[swift solstice]

Thanks guys

Or girls

[limber atlas]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NeoGeo_MiSTer/issues/211

I can hear the difference in his videos

@full raven do you know about this?

[limber atlas]

I’ve managed to add this:

[full raven]

Hello mister Toya

Well, i said before that neogeo volume levels need a mixer or something.

The neogeo can have different mixers depending which machine you are using

I ever felt the fm was loud in the core

Maybe is another thing

But the real hardware doesnt have this loud tune

[limber atlas]

Ok then I understand thanks for your information

I guess Neo geo needs mdfourier blessing

I have asked in the mdfourier discord

@thorn jolt I believe you managed to run mdfourier on the MegaDrive core. Could you please do the same with the Neo geo core?

[spiral orbit]

Would you happen to know where the NeoCD core for MiSTer stores its saveram files? A friend hoping to convert some from MAME for SamShoRPG testing.

Thanks in advance, ping in reply appreciated.

[patent granite]

Ill check.

media/fat/saves/NEOGEO

I see a Neo Geo CD save file of mine in there.

@spiral orbit

[spiral orbit]

Thanks,

[urban vector]

This is interesting, I didn't realise different NG games had different resolutions.

https://www.retrorgb.com/firebrandx-neo-geo-320-vs-304-games.html

Not sure if this is an issue at all on MiSTer, but with there being a .txt file list of all the games you could treat those games differently if there was any need to do so

[nocturne storm]

Per game settings would be lovely for stuff like this, otherwise I just set it to 304 so I don’t need to be in and out of the menus all the time. I just consider 320 games to be drawing into the equivalent of overscan so I can justify ignoring it!

[urban vector]

It feels like because we have to have the .txt file of all the games and use a specific set, the framework is already in place to be able to have different settings for different roms

[forest bloom]

but you dont

.Neo doesnt need any txt file

[nocturne storm]

Yeah, I use .neo files with no txt file…

However if a feature like that was implemented I would happily switch over.

[forest bloom]

I wouldnt, The other way is crazy as its more than 1 fle per game

I have never really full understood why the Mister cant decrypt the roms as Mame does, Then we could just use the Mame set. The decryption must be being done inside the Neo geo on a real system

[nocturne storm]

The other way is to use the arcade version of the neogeo which blackwine did some time ago. There you can save settings per game as you can on all arcade games.

[ocean phoenix]

Considering that it’s all the same hardware and joystick layout, I actually prefer it all being one setting and not per game.

[nocturne storm]

Same for the CPS systems. Still cool tp have separate starting games. And no, the favourites function does not count as it does not save settings per game.

[ocean phoenix]

Gonna be sipping some Neo Geo today!

[ocean phoenix]

omg @limber atlas you know how to do core stuff?

[frail spire]

Sea salt flavor? 😅

strange that its koF97 specifically, same as the 8bitdo Neogeo pads

[frail spire]

the ad for that in the 90s would show Geese Howard looking at you and say "I like to drink the tears of my enemies"

[haughty veldt]

All while falling off a building. As Geese Howards are wont to do.

[limber atlas]

Just updates here and there. I’m a noob 🤣

[slow urchin]

i added - Add H/V-sync adjustments (blackwine) to a test core in August for someone but never made a pull request to the main repo as sorg had refused all of blackwines work before

[limber atlas]

Yeah, blackwine did almost an overhaul to the Neo Geo core which Sorg refused. What I did was that I grabbed the H/V adjust part from the code and also updated the jt part

[tropic tartan]

Why is the flavour printed on everyone's crotch?

[ocean phoenix]

Nah man, that’s amazing! Thank you!

[ocean phoenix]

lolol

[ocean phoenix]

Forgot to reply. It tasted like salty yogurt which was actually kinda good. So weird lol.

[vapid fox]

Just reporting what @limber atlas and @urban vector already know and asked for regarding Neo Geo and MDFourier with Mister

AES vs AES:
You can see that accoring to measurement ADPCM-A is too low (or the rest are too loud if you are relative to that) and that curves are filtered differently
with ADPCM-B too loud in the high end

MVS 1FS vs Mister:
FM is high by about 3db, and ADPCM B is high by about 1.7 db

Vintage AES and MVS:
SNES resampling based on framerate comes to help. I didn't think of it, but it works perfectly for neo geo since clocks differ betwen MVS and AES
MVS as reference and AES as comparison
You can see that AES has a 3db and 1.5db difference in mixing
AES has SPSG 3 db lower than FM, and ADPCM 1.5db lower than MVS
And Mister has ADPCM B treated completely different than ADPCM A, in terms of mixing and filtering

[upper garden]

I played a round of NTM with the new core this morning. thought I noticed the ball backspin on the green sounding "crunchy", but I'll need to verify with recordings from previous core release.

[vapid fox]

Surprisingly JAMMA out has a different mix

and against MVS1C

[limber atlas]

Wow thats great data Artemio!

Hopefully this can help dev to fix audio in the neo geo core

[vapid fox]

thanks... I had feared publishing it for almost a year...

[vapid fox]

fix is an interesting choice of word

Because it will depend on what they will model after

[limber atlas]

Yeah true

But we know for sure that in the Mai stage in Fatal fury, the music is incorrect

[vapid fox]

Not really

As you can see depending on the Neo Geo model, mixing is inconsistent

You'd need to know what they compared againt

and what they'd expect to match

[limber atlas]

Or we find a middle ground somehow?

Or adding a mixer

Similar to what we have in the Mega Drive core

[vapid fox]

It will depend on what you'd want to achieve. You could do as in other cores and target a specific model or models

[limber atlas]

Yeah

[vapid fox]

A mixer is only needed if it is left to user taste

[limber atlas]

Right

[soft juniper]

They core is listed in the console section so AES all the way 😉

[vapid fox]

but the default is MVS

[soft juniper]

Tell that to the menu 😛

[vapid fox]

What i meant is... when you enter the Neo Geo core, the default is MVS and yo uboot that way unles you change it

So teh default under Mister is MVS when you select it under the console menu

[ocean phoenix]

Makes sense!

[soft juniper]

Oh, I understand about the default inside the core, I am just being difficult 😆

[patent granite]

https://youtu.be/bWgsUJ9Osng?si=y-myHf5OOe5IaByX

[deft shadow]

New Neo Geo game
https://youtu.be/cF22pxrzKZI?si=EvP_u_AdM7efq0Jt

[ocean phoenix]

Well damn, that’s really cool!

[deft shadow]

https://rosenthalcastle.itch.io/petal-crash-neo

Plus they are planning on selling the ROM. Mister was mentioned on the itch.io page.

[haughty veldt]

More retro indie devs need to do that. Like I wanted to try Life on Earth on the Genesis. But nope.

[patent granite]

Hooked up to MiSTer with a USB adapter, about 1.8ms lag which is very good for me

[ocean phoenix]

1.8ms is still 1.8ms. Could mean the difference between a victory or defeat.

[patent granite]

https://tenor.com/view/nodding-kermit-uh-huh-gif-19083131

[ocean phoenix]

why are your responses always on-point?

[patent granite]

I has the gifs

[still gorge]

I tried to do Christian Bale talking to Kermit the Frog but Bing doesn't like celebrity names, so I told it Bruce Wayne from the Nolan Batman movies. I think it got confused about which Bruce Wayne

[patent granite]

He seems to be grilling Kermit on a very important issue

[abstract birch]

These are rock solid. High import price though. Bought two a couple years ago and love them. Much prefer to the 8BitDo reissue, though those aren't 'bad'. If you don't already have them (can't remember from your posts), I still think the over all best clicky stick available is the PS3 PDP Wired Fight Pad.

[patent granite]

The PS2 one was the premium option for me, thankfully @echo pine was able to make a nice USB adapter with low lag that works great with it

[abstract birch]

Cool, do you know which adapter project he used? I have a crappy old adapter from years ago that I was using with it and was still pretty happy. I recently got Pork's Reflex Adapt but haven't tested that particular controller yet.

[echo pine]

i made it myself. but if you already an adapt it will work great and should be even lower lag

[abstract birch]

Thanks for the info @wizzo! 🙂

@echo pine It still won't improve my Turfmaster's score though 😢

[echo pine]

you just have to keep removing sources of lag!

[ocean phoenix]

@echo pine

[uneven vector]

Nice. Didn't know that they had six face buttons.

[civic vault]

To the person who developed the Neo Geo core: thank you so much!!

Would it be possible to add a pause on OSD feature?

It would be a lot easier and faster than pausing through the dip.

Thank you!!

[limber atlas]

Try this build

There is a toggle where you can toggle either OSD or DIP to pause

Called Pause Mode

[civic vault]

Oh! Cool. I had no idea. Thanks

[limber atlas]

Yeah this is not available in the build I shared in the test build channel

[still gorge]

Is this slated to make it into the regular core?

[limber atlas]

Yeah sure

[hardy shadow]

Are there any games worth trying specifically on the ng-cd as opposed to mvs? I heard some have arranged cd soundtracks

[ocean phoenix]

Check out these helpful links from @wary bronze - #1075091985007902812 message

[hardy shadow]

Thanks so much haha

Perfect

[ocean phoenix]

My pleasure, amigo! It’s a really cool system with an interesting library. Really cool it got added to MiSTer!

[hardy shadow]

Some of these are definitely worth investigating

[patent granite]

Last Resort and Pulstar have ASTs IIRC

[patent granite]

#1047333006555217991 message

This might be of interest to you.

[hardy shadow]

Ty!

[gritty compass]

Neo Turf Masters has an extra course that is really difficult

[placid whale]

Neo Turf Masters has an extra course that's just a normal walk in Scotland

[gritty compass]

that too lol

[haughty veldt]

Neo Turf Masters also allows you to create and use a profile to save all your stats in the CD version.

[ocean phoenix]

wow! maybe play a good golf game like Lee Carvallo’s Putting Challenge?

[ocean phoenix]

https://youtu.be/capTpivF8n0?feature=shared

[haughty veldt]

Always a classic.

[placid whale]

semi related, did you know someone made the Simpsons parody Waterworld game into something you can play

https://macaw45.itch.io/kevin-costners-waterworld

[wide falcon]

Stupid question guys. Is there just one Neo geo core?

Or 1 for arcade, 1 for cd?

[wary bronze]

One core.

[gritty yoke]

One for all and all for one

[wide falcon]

I tried the one at consoles > Neo geo but the MVS games didn’t have audio and were missing sprites

Maybe it’s my rom set?

[wary bronze]

Possibly. Do you have the correct bios files in the folder as well?

[gritty yoke]

are your games in the microsd?

[wide falcon]

Right now nas share

[gritty yoke]

did you have the gog-romsets.xml file ?

sometimes this happen to me

i'm using a external usb drive

so, do a update all and copy all files to your nas share

I think it should work

[forest bloom]

using the Neo format sets I have never had an issue

[wary bronze]

.Neo is the easiest way.

And make sure you have a bios in there, and the correct one selected in the core settings.

[nocturne storm]

exactly, .neo files are the best way

[still gorge]

.neo is the best way

[haughty veldt]

Interesting. I didn't know that there was a ".neo" format. 😅

Googled it and it doesn't sound like something that can be done using a Mac, so I'll have to stick to whatever I've been using that already works!

[patent granite]

Packs exist premade on certain websites

[wary bronze]

I'm sure there's an archive out there... On the internet.

[patent granite]

An org, of some kind.

[still gorge]

Somewhere dark and soft

[patent granite]

Itchy

Tasty

[haughty veldt]

Honestly, I searched said archive of the org-like nature, and couldn't find anything in .neo format. Not a big deal honestly, since all my Neo Geo games have been working fine anyway.

[patent granite]

coughDMcough

[urban vector]

Everything you need should be in the HTGDB packs if you search for those, also all sorts of other interesting things you may be interested in there...

[civic vault]

Hi, can anybody tell me how to access the unibios on the neo geo CD core. When I press select on the boot/cd screen I get access to only 2 options (region and cdz/toploader). How do I get the same options as the mvs (setting soft dip to add blood in metal slug for example) Thanks

[wary bronze]

http://unibios.free.fr/cdsystem.html

Short answer is: you don’t. The titles on CD don’t have the same kinds of options as their MVS/AES counterparts.

@civic vault

[limber atlas]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NeoGeo_MiSTer/issues/210

Anyone willing to play through Aero Fighters 2 and recreate this?

[full raven]

Will try tomorrow

[limber atlas]

Thanks

There is this info as well

[full raven]

I think it's an unibios error

will try later

[full raven]

would be good to know which settings are used

I cannot reproduce this

I'm using the core with the japanese AES bios

It's possible the 95% of people is using the UNIBIOS with an specific setting ( USA/EUR-MVS ) or ( USA/EUR-AES ) running in MVS or AES mode respectively... Would be interesting to know which configuration is being used for check the problem.

[limber atlas]

One of them uses Unibios

What are your OSD settings?

[full raven]

the bios I use is the japanese AES bios

the settings are CONSOLE

not MVS

[limber atlas]

@full raven https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NeoGeo_MiSTer/issues/213

You got a real aes hardware right?

[limber atlas]

Yeah understood

[full raven]

yes

AES hardware

I don't have MVS

he is trying to use the MVS version of the game in AES mode, right ?

[full raven]

I just tested the Samurai Shodown III MVS set in AES mode and it works

I'm using DarkSoft romset in my MiSTer

no freezes

I think this core, the last thing it needs is the volume balances.

[limber atlas]

Are you using unibios?

Basically, using an mvs, launching samsho3 in aes mode in Unibios

Oh ok

[full raven]

I can't reproduce the sound error in Aerofighters 2 using the original bioses.

I will test it now with unibios.

the samurai games working good in mister ( in my mister ) and working good in AES

[full raven]

zero problems

Darksoft Set

[limber atlas]

Interesting

[willow girder]

English translation of Sam Sho RPG finally released. Been waiting on that one.

[patent granite]

Patching right now ^_^

[gritty compass]

sounds like it has lots of nice QoL changes too

[haughty veldt]

Oh snaaaaaap it's here!

Now if only I could patch it using a Mac...

[patent granite]

Works well. Remember to set CD speed to 2X

[patent granite]

I gotcha fam. Gimme a few here

[haughty veldt]

I've patched a ton of roms, but I've never patched a CD based game.

[patent granite]

DM

[haughty veldt]

I feel like I must be missing something with the special attacks. I'm using Nakoruru, and in the menu it shows that she has 4 specials, but in battle only two of them show up with their command inputs in the battle menu. Also, two of them share the same input command. Her healing special is also one of the specials not listed in battle (down down D). No clue how to use it!

Even more strange is that if I change to menu selection instead for specials, the healing special does show up and is useable. I must be missing something using the command input mode.

[pure siren]

omg this is sooooo good, thanks for mentioning the translation 😍 trying it out now

I thought it was going to be something that might stay in progress for a long time

[north depot]

https://vxtwitter.com/PricePartDeux/status/1730058752135410085

[placid whale]

a herculean achievement

[green marten]

Capturing this in a second

I even made the readme notes lol

[oblique valve]

So with the patch I'm finding out you have to run it at 1x CD speed

I get errors at 4x

Seems like 2x works but haven't gone far enough to see if it crashes

Can someone confirm which CD speed they are using for the English Sam Sho RPG

[patent granite]

2X works fine for me, played about 45 minutes

[oblique valve]

Okay 3x and 4x both crashed for me

[patent granite]

This is a known issue with SSRPG, a handful of games wont behave themselves on 3x or 4x for whatever reason

[oblique valve]

Ah I never tried the JPN version so I didn't know

This will finally push me to get the 8bitdo controller though

Has anyone converted their patched rom to chd yet?

[dense vapor]

Im having the same crashing issue on 3x/4x. But also sometimes, the 'console' wont see that a disc is inserted. It will go to the NeoGeoCD player dashboard, and wont do the "Wait a moment". it just sits there like nothing is inserted.

[haughty veldt]

Yes, it works fine with CHD!

Still can't figure out how to use Nakoruru's healing special in battle! This is some cryptic stuff!

[oblique valve]

Just set to 2x and leave it, some games do this just was confirming if this was one of them

[dense vapor]

Yeah it seems its working fine on CHD/2x. I suppose thats better than 1x but was hoping for 4x because of those loadin times lol.

although the core doesnt seem to remember my settings. Every time I boot the Neo core I have to set the auto save as well as the speed.

[haughty veldt]

The riddle has been solved!

More tips from the source:

[dense vapor]

Does anyone know what the sole UniBIOS cheat menu for SSRPG does? It just says "Enable Omake Mode."

[haughty veldt]

I think there is a third scenario, maybe that's it? Not sure though, I don't want to risk messing with my save file at this point to risk it!

[dense vapor]

same, Im only about 5 mins into the game, so I literally havent done anything in it lol.

[haughty veldt]

So I've been able to get the just defends to work, but I can not get the counterattacks to work. Has anyone else gotten them to work?

[green marten]

https://youtu.be/lpiutw72c-0?si=Dz1ZRsqS674_Do8X

I helped…a bit

[haughty veldt]

So cool that you were involved in this one.

[green marten]

Thanks. Very tangentially but yes

[haughty veldt]

Lighting the motivation fire back in him to dive back into the project is still important!

[green marten]

Yeah I just kind of chatted along the process, checked in now and again…told him ignore the shit talkers. Just played support team!

[green laurel]

Samurai Showdown RPG for Neo Geo CD English translation on my BeoVision MX5500

[daring island]

Hi, perhaps this has been answered before, but everytime i try to load a neocd iso i just get a back screen after a really quick progress bar. Bios files seem to be correct (they are from update_all script) and so does the iso, and the cart roms work correctly. Am i missing something? thnx!

[nocturne storm]

Prety sure you want either bin/cue or CHD, not an ISO.

[daring island]

ah sorry, used iso as a generic name, it's a bin/cue

[forest bloom]

easy to use CHD one file per game

[daring island]

Tested the bios and games in fbneo and they worked fine... weird

[placid whale]

also the db9 fork is borked

so eliminate that variable

[daring island]

Works ok in another setup (mistercade), so i'm sure it's my fault, thnx anyways!

[daring island]

Yep, it was a folder management mistake on my side 🙂

[languid hare]

we gaming

[oblique valve]

This with the 8bitdo NGCD pad is chefs kiss

[modern ravine]

What are the settings required to make SSRPG to work?
Setting to CD mode and 4x is really slow. been on black screen after starting new game.
CDZ 1x and 4x hasn't booted at all. Stays at CD screen

[patent granite]

I use 2x with unibios and its fine

[haughty veldt]

1x CD speed also works. But that's masochist mode.

[tropic tartan]

During the loading times I like to try and find inner peace through meditation 🧘‍♂️ 😌 🙏 ✨️

[green marten]

Don’t use 4X

I’ve talked to numerous people in comments. All their issues were solved by using 2x or slower

@haughty veldt ‘a problem is he’s from Wisconsin. There’s no speed to fix that

🤣

[haughty veldt]

Maybe 0.5x speed would fix me.

[green marten]

Wisconsinites are slow after all

[haughty veldt]

Slow and steady wins the race!

[waxen stone]

I used 2x till I get to the character select screen, then back to 4x and it seemed to work for me

[flat shard]

For me NeoGeo CD stopped to work. I can select the cd images, but then nothing happens, just a black screen.

Are there any log files I can check ?

[flat shard]

It seems it doesn't load the BIOS files even.
Normal NeoGeo works, but NeoGeo-CD does not.
I tried replacing the BIOS files, but still nothing.
When a CHD is selected, I only see a quick loading of "000-lo.lo" and then the screen goes black.
CHD loading in PSX and Saturn works fine.

Loading CUE/BIN presents the same problem.

[limber atlas]

You are missing correct bios

Have you enabled Bios getter in the update all?

Remove the neo geo bios files from your as card and rerun update all

[flat shard]

Yes, I enabled the Bios getter

ok, I will give that a try

No dice

update_all did redownload the 3 bios files: uni-bioscd.rom, top-sp1.bin, neocd.bin

I did that manually about an hour ago also, but for some reason they are not loaded

ok, I found the problem

I think

in /media/fat/games, some folders I've made into links

I did that for the large libraries, such as Saturn, PSX, NeoGeo-CD etc.

so for instance, /media/fat/games/NeoGeo-CD points to "/media/fat/cifs/games-lan/NeoGeo-CD"

this has stopped working for NeoGeo-CD for some reason.
If I remove the link and use a normal folder, it works

It seems the last build of the NeoGeo core got broken somehow with this.

I got a work around now too, in "/media/fat/games/NeoGeo-CD" I've made a link "CHD" which points to "/media/fat/cifs/games-lan/NeoGeo-CD" and this loads the CHD's again.

[abstract birch]

Anyone have info on patching Sam Sho RPG on a Mac?

[patent granite]

You DM batty

[oblique valve]

I just used an online xreal patcher on my phone; just patch the .xreal file to the track 1.cue and make sure to rename it to replace the standard game track 1

[flat shard]

Anyone having problems loading your saved game in SSRPG ?

[oblique valve]

No issues here; auto save on and open osd every time I save

[dawn pendant]

Is that a Laser Bear screen???

[languid hare]

It is yeah.

[dawn pendant]

Looks great!!!

[languid hare]

I really like it, makes for a nice little desktop setup for my downtime at work.

[oblique valve]

Has anyone beat SSRPG yet?

[forest crypt]

Does anyone know how I can get past that exemption error on samurai showdown rpg?

Ok cd speed 2x seems to work better

[haughty veldt]

Yeah, SamSho RPG requires 2x speed or lower to run. A shame since it could really benefit from the faster CD speeds.

[still gorge]

It's been around like 30 years I'm sure someone has

[full raven]

if you load the game 2x

then change it to 4x when title screen is shown

then you can play it 4x

[nocturne storm]

How to patch the game as CHD on a mac?

[gleaming night]

brew install rom-tools -> chdman createcd -i input.cue -o output.chd

ah no. on macos

[wary bronze]

That's a macOS terminal command.

[gleaming night]

sorry, i should have been more "verbose"

[nocturne storm]

This creates a CHD? That's not what i mean. I already have the CHF files. How do i patch dem on Macos?

[gleaming night]

ah, sorry. misunderstood. If you're referring to patching an image then I think you'd need to decompress the chd first, apply the patch, then recreate the chd

[oblique valve]

Yeah the patch applies to track one of the bin/cue then you can test if it works then repackage back to chd

[limber atlas]

I wonder how furrteks sdloader works

[patent granite]

https://tenor.com/view/joke-yoda-funny-game-grumps-gif-9269703

[still gorge]

I try

[full raven]

I still didnt upgrade it. I'll try to test it later... since I have MiSTer I feel lazy about connecting real things.

[full raven]

It works well

Faster than mister

[limber atlas]

Ok then it could be that 4x issues on mister is a core bug

Could be optimized

[full raven]

I don't think it is a bug. The game didn't work before the firmware uodate of Furrtek.

This game has something inside.

[forest crypt]

Does anyone know how to save the region setting in the unibios for neo Geo cd. It defaults to eu here and most games don’t run then

[nocturne storm]

Make sure the memory card is enabled and autosave is on, you have to save your region on a per game basis.

[full raven]

Per game config, as the Save Ram is per game

[forest crypt]

Oh ok. Is see. Thanks.

[remote sinew]

Hi.

I keep getting a white screen when I load a game. they are in .zip format and i have unibios in the games folder. what am i doing wrong?

[forest crypt]

Looks like the games in chd file run all. The cue bin format not really all. Is this normal. Is there any downside having the games in chd format? Like worse sound quality?

[haughty veldt]

There is no difference in quality with CHD.

[remote sinew]

Got the white screen figured out...but now what the heck

Using unibios and mister pack add on Neo geo

[haughty veldt]

Maybe try .neo format? Or even just unzipped?

I've never tried Neo Geo games in .zip format.

[remote sinew]

Good ideas. The .Neo format of the pack I got fixed the white screen but now I'm getting that garbled screen with every game I try

So I suppose I'll try the Darksoft set next

[remote sinew]

got it figured out = ). needed the additional files like sfix sp-s2, etc

[remote sinew]

Now just need to figure out how to change the region in the bios

It's set to EUR, But Neo Bomberman is in Spanish

[full raven]

unibios works this way

when NEOGEO UNIBIOS LOGO SHOWS press ABC buttons on the pad

then you enter the configuration screen of the Unibios

you can change the parameters of the System and Region.

you exit by pressing button C

[pure vigil]

Do NeoGeo-CD games need to be in individual folders same as the other CD cores? Just wondering since there are no multi cd games that I know of for the system.

[ocean phoenix]

Need? I am not sure but I recommend it in general.

[flat shard]

If cue/bin, then yes. If chd then no.

[tropic tartan]

What about saves?

[haughty veldt]

Just always keep your CD games in their own folders. No reason not to.

[tropic tartan]

Keep your penis in your own pants and your cd games in there own folders. Got it.

[ocean phoenix]

keep your cd games in your pants

[tropic tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/snow-pants-pants-puffy-pants-puffy-snow-gif-13416642

[patent granite]

Getting weird in here!

[tropic tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/jotaro-disc-jojo-stone-ocean-jotaro-stone-ocean-whitesnake-disc-gif-23995611

[patent granite]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-smile-make-face-funny-lol-gif-17446241

[nocturne storm]

Thanks guys

[still gorge]

I just checked #general-banter and this is a lie

[pine glacier]

Hello all. I've added "network" folders with mount -t cifs to each core's content path. Everything works, but NeoGeo won't browse the network folder, citing "No neogeo folder." I'm just trying to add a share for NGCD.

[limber atlas]

The folder name should be NEOGEO

Its case sensitive

[ocean phoenix]

I like this a lot

[full raven]

Jyotei Senki

[patent granite]

Yep!

[still gorge]

It's an abomination

[patent granite]

No u

[uneven vector]

No Emil Blonsky is an Abomination.

[full raven]

They are playing Dendy

[full raven]

By the way

Is there any possibility to convert.neo to mame zip?

[frail spire]

that joystick on the lower left looks uncomfortable to use but still pretty badass

Dendy Soviet Bear Advantage

[ocean phoenix]

Please rise for this channel’s anthem

https://youtu.be/Q_kGJBv6Wr4

https://tenor.com/view/aww-oh-no-emotional-hand-over-heart-so-sweet-gif-15174653

[patent granite]

https://tenor.com/view/kamenraptor-gif-21353159

https://tenor.com/view/sakura-dance-street-fghter-dance-gif-11426442

[ocean phoenix]

😭

[frail spire]

love this guy, he has a bunch of fun videos

https://youtu.be/freEoN3uPlw?si=AuG5jUKFagzYbdpZ

[coral granite]

If you want your roms to load faster use thir

It loads kof2003 in 10 seconds or so

I think it used to be more

[limber atlas]

I thought ddr loading was available for the Neo geo core

[coral granite]

It is

[ocean phoenix]

No, DDR by Konami is on PS1

[coral granite]

DDR Loading was oddly faster on the N64 (afaik, please correct me if kof2003 did load in 10 seconds before)

[ocean phoenix]

[coral granite]

Nevermind, it was 10 seconds and I misremembered haha

[nocturne storm]

It only affects the N64 loading times.

[coral granite]

It affects GBA

[urban vector]

The new unstable only speeds up N64. GBA and Geo Geo have had fast loading in for a few years now

[nocturne storm]

Nope.

[coral granite]

It does not affect the N64

Just GBA

But it breaks cheats

[nocturne storm]

What? The new unstable was createe on purpose for the N64 so that it loads games faster. Nothing more.

The 151223 version

[coral granite]

I meant the MiSTer build I posted here

[nocturne storm]

this speeds up loading?

[Sorgelig 2023-12-16 b1a9048] user_io: don't waste time for crc32 if cheats aren't used.

[coral granite]

Yeah, but the GBA uses cheats
The build here doesn't check and doesn't crc32 anyway

[crude sundial]

Slowdowns in metal slug, is that expected (i.e. Does it happen on hardware as well?)

[limber atlas]

Yes

[uneven vector]

especially in the second game

[haughty veldt]

Yeah, all the Metal Slug games are dripping in slowdown. Ooooozing in it if you will!

[crude sundial]

Hah tbh I kinda like it

[inland drum]

It helps when there are many bullets/projectiles etc!

[crude sundial]

For sure

[spiral orbit]

Gotta love those slowdowns!

[ocean phoenix]

if you've got a forum account, the person who made them posted it there, might be able to ping him

ok awesome, I don't or I'd help, haha

https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?p=59591#p59591

yeah I just found the post

he's probably not here

It won't be added to the main repository because it causes instability - https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NeoGeo_MiSTer/pull/179

But maybe that Cryril guy can take a look at updating it?

yeah my pleasure, hopefully he responds!

[crimson rivet]

Very few games actually benefit from turbo mode. Afaik, the Metal Slug games and Shock Troopers 2. Anything else?

Btw, would this boost the speeds on NGCD version of Metal Slug 1 & 2?

[still gorge]

I thought the turbo core only worked on a couple of games and broke everything else

[ocean phoenix]

Yup, basically

Which is why it won’t be added to the core

[still gorge]

It's a shame too

[coral granite]

And me

I'm trbocode

If you want an updated build of my version I can compile it real quick

[still gorge]

Wait what's updated

[coral granite]

Someone asked for an updated turbo core

[still gorge]

I'm interested, what's different if I may ask?

[coral granite]

What's different in the turbo core, or what's different in the neo geo core?
Cause I can tell you one of them

[still gorge]

Turbo core compared to previous versions of the turbo core

[coral granite]

Its based on the newest neo geo core

@indigo radish

Untested, but don't think anything should break from last ver

[still gorge]

oh okay I get it

[ocean phoenix]

Woah awesome, thank you @coral granite !

Does this include all the latest changes from the main core and what’s the cpu clocked at?

[coral granite]

Literally 2 clicks

24MHz

[ocean phoenix]

2 clicks I can’t do so it’s still appreciated!

[coral granite]

Last time I tested it it was a bit glitchy

[willow girder]

I just tested it on MS2. It was a bit glitchy. Corrupted sprites.

[coral granite]

Yeah so no change from last version I built

[coral granite]

My method only works for 24 unfourtenatly

[haughty veldt]

SNK translations were insane back in the 90s. Some truly meme worthy content.

[gritty compass]

Samsho was also pretty terrible with translations, 2's intro is pretty infamous lol

[fringe ingot]

the narrator was just Australian

"it was his bloody life mate"

[frail spire]

I miss these janky translations. what made them better is they were unintentional (as far as we know at least)

[ocean phoenix]

Yeah, honestly that stuff adds character. I remember that image I posted but if it were straight forward, it’d be forgettable.

[frail spire]

(this was for this thread haha)

PC Engine has some pearls

sometimes it feels they got their cousin who "knows" English to translate

[uneven vector]

Not to mention "Victoly" in 4

[gritty compass]

oh yeah I was playing that the other day, can't believe that one slipped by lol

[uneven vector]

also fan favorite "Lali Ho!" was just a butchering of the catch phrase from Hanna Barbara's Impossibles, which had a cult following in Japan.

"Rally Ho!"

It also featured three super heroes with "Man" at the end of their names that bear a slight resemblence to robot masters in the Mega Man series.

[haughty veldt]

Matt McMuscles did an amazing video about a month or two ago about SNK's 90s localizations. So good.

[uneven vector]

and Aero Fighters 2 has a "Frying" dolphin

[deft zephyr]

have all the issues in Neo Geo core have they been fix

[full raven]

spanish translations on SNK games were hilarious

absolutely extreme...

in AOF 3 there is a bug when you use the Spanish language that some texts are in spanish, others in portuguese, randomly... For spanish speakers, the written portuguese is fully understandable, but the translation is awful anyway... But they have an special charm in it.

an extreme case was the Ultimate 11 spanish voices... They are performed by a person that doesn't know how to speak spanish trying to speaking spanish and portuguese ( both voices by the same person ).

[deft zephyr]

in terms of accuracy is furrtek core better or worst then mame neogeo core

[pure pebble]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NeoGeo_MiSTer/issues

It seems to be, at least, 3 bugs remaining.

But I think Furtek will not work on it anymore.

[urban vector]

PaulNB and Sorg did a serious run of updates and bug fixes recently on the core, it's in an excellent state now and also fully supports NGCD

Those three things in there look like they may not actually be issues. Although if we get some more MDF recordings of real hardware then there would be enough information for someone to tweak the audio to improve accuracy there, but these improvements may be barely audible and even academic. The core sounds decent already.

[ocean phoenix]

this is the best neo geo emulator ive ever used

[zinc rampart]

better than on your ???

[still gorge]

what is

we can't see you

[haughty veldt]

Speak for yourself.

[ocean phoenix]

The MiSTer Neo geo core!

[still gorge]

Lemme see

[full raven]

m

samsho 3 but i couldn't reproduce

and aerofighters 2 i never had a problem

I said to test it with the original bios and not the unibios

[nocturne storm]

Kof 2001 is acting funky. AES mode with unibios has glitched sprites on the controller config screen. Original bios main select screen looks off, clicking on option shows no text at all, but you can still hear and control the game. Using a .neo set, can someone take a look and see if you get the same result? Thanks!

[limber atlas]

Yes, happens to me as well

Core bug perhaps.

Please report on github

[nocturne storm]

Thanks Toya, github issue raised....

[ocean phoenix]

Thanks for doing that! 🍻

[full raven]

ummm it happens when using the MVS set in AES system

it happens in real hardware too

same with rage of the dragons MVS set used in AES. There are debug options that can beaccessed

the kof 2001 is not a bug

[nocturne storm]

My dumb understanding was that the MVS ROMs contained everything necessary to play it without issue in AES mode, it's just a switch of bios that determines what runs. Didn't know dedicated AES ROMs were a thing, live and learn. Thanks everyone for checking , sorry for wasting your time, have closed the issue on github.

[fringe ingot]

Accurate bugs, I love it

[deft zephyr]

is the nuke version of the sound chip YM2610 going to end up replacing whats in the neogeo now

[full raven]

There are specific sets in the late times of NG.

[full raven]

There are different sets for the games in NG. The NGH are for AES. Big amount of games have only one version shared with AES and MVS systems.

The NGH versions of early games usually have differences with the MVS sets, like limited credits and difficulty selection menu. At these times, any of the versions could be set in an AES cartridge. I had AES cartrigdes of Burning Fight, Blue's Journey or Magician Lord with different MVS or AES sets. It was a lottery.

An exemple of MVS vs AES ser difference could be in Magician Lord. The AES set has intro. more life gauge and and when losing a life going back to the start of the stage. The MVS version has no intro, less life bar and has respawn in the same place you lost the life.

Burning Fight AES has 4 credits per player and difficulty selection, MVS set has infinite credits and no difficulty selection.

The late games like KOF 2001 doesn't show the fix layer correctly in the menu options, and Rage of The Dragons shows debug options that doesn't appear in the home version.

The older early games have these things of the credits and selection menu things.

[unreal swallow]

Finally tried to launch something from the HBMame Alt folder in my Neo Geo pack and realized they don't launch in the core. Are those roms supposed to be used for the Neo Geo arcade core where you launch using MRAs?

[limber atlas]

https://www.romhacking.net/translations/7113/

New update

[limber atlas]

Where is this alt folder?

[unreal swallow]

games/NeoGeo

well, it's a zip file

[limber atlas]

Does the hbmame alt folder contain Neo geo roms?

[unreal swallow]

I have the .neo pack, but this one subfolder has games in folders

appears to?

[limber atlas]

Ah no ignore those

Those aren’t even .neo files

And they won’t work on mister

[unreal swallow]

right

ok, cool

[limber atlas]

Since they are neither darksoft or .neo

[unreal swallow]

I guess they're just included for posterity?

crazy that they're included in the add-on pack if they don't even work then...they account for more than half the file size of the pack (over 4GB)

[urban vector]

Are they being downloaded automatically by everyone?

[unreal swallow]

the hbmame roms come from the htgdb add-on pack

[urban vector]

So everyone who has the pack enakes gets 2gig worth of Neo Geo ROMs that aren't playable?

[unreal swallow]

4GB*

it could be? I was asking because I didn’t know if there was a way to use them

wasn’t sure if maybe they’re meant to be used with this version of the core? https://github.com/blackwine/NeoGeo_MiSTer

[urban vector]

Hmm, maybe if you have that core and the .mra files then it downloads all those ROMs? But everyone who runs update all with hbmane turned on should not get 4gig of ROMs that can't be played, and if that is happened then we need to get it fixed to not do that

[unreal swallow]

sorry if I explained incorrectly, but update_all is not pulling these in

the hbmame roms are included in an htgdb pack labeled as a MiSTer ready add-on pack

[urban vector]

Ah OK, got you

[unreal swallow]

but yeah, if the roms aren't usable, it seems they shouldn't be included in a "MiSTer ready" pack. I wouldn't be surprised if they are there in case people want to make them work with Blackwine's version of the core. They might be alternative roms that don't get pulled in by update_all or something

[still gorge]

they're zipped?

[unreal swallow]

@still gorge helped me figure it out! It's because I had the parent folder for all the HBMame roms zipped. I did that for all my .neo roms so I just blindly followed suit with this folder too, but these aren't .neo roms so that won't work

the HBMAME folder is over 10GB unzipped

[still gorge]

yeah that was educational lol

[urban vector]

Update all should just grab everything you can use, if you have OK connection I would just let it download and handle those roms

[still gorge]

I don't think update_all would have XMLs for homebrew neo geo zips

would it?

[urban vector]

If there are ones that can run on the core but not in the XML file the surely the solution is to get those added. Sorg and Paul did work a few months ago that added support for all the unlicensed ones and hacks that were in the Darksoft pack that didn't work

[still gorge]

yeah that would work I imagine

[urban vector]

Is there a list of any missing ones?

[still gorge]

I'm not sure

I mean, if none of the ones in that HTGDB pack work, that's a start haha

[spiral cloak]

Is there a Zed Blade for NG CD floating around?

"Zed Blade is the only game created by NMK for Neo Geo and was initially only launched for the arcades by SNK on September 13, 1994.[1][2][7][8] Its soundtrack was done by composer Manabu Namiki.[8] A Neo Geo AES version was announced and completed[3] but never released. A Neo Geo CD version was also announced and even showcased for playing to the attendees at SNK's booth during the Winter Consumer Electronics Show in 1995 but like the AES version, it was never released.[4] The game has since received a re-release in 2017 on various digital distribution platforms such as the Nintendo eShop, PlayStation Network and Xbox Live Arcade as part of the ACA Neo Geo series by Hamster, its current rights owner."

Sounds like they did at least some of the work to show it off at CES 95

The MVS soundtrack is pretty cool, it reminds of Streets of Rage 2.... But really frantic.

[haughty veldt]

I actually just played Zed Blade last night. Very fun shmup.

[tight vigil]

zed's dead, baby.

[abstract birch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdHPz36y-SU

[deft zephyr]

Is there a way we can run a 4-Slot MVS on the mister core

[limber atlas]

No, why would you do that? Mister Neo geo core can only run one game at a time

Same as a 4 slot 🙂

[deft zephyr]

but would like it to able to go from game to game like on a 4-Slot iam guessing not enough ram to do this

[fluid idol]

I think your misconception is that it is an arcade core and not console.
Accepting that diminishes the want for features.

[deft zephyr]

how much ram will mister need to be able to do a 4slot mvs

[still gorge]

I don't know that it's a RAM issue you'd have to talk to a Neo Geo dev, but I bet there's not much interest in doing something that's basically what a MiSTer does anyway

[deft zephyr]

i ask Mike J about this he told me if somebody wants to do a 4slot mvs there is enough bandwith and ram to do this on the replay2

[ocean phoenix]

Serious question, what does 4 slot enable you to do? Is it like a quick swap button between games?

[deft zephyr]

yes pretty much it can also cycle games on its own too i think in mame you can do up to 8 slots

[still gorge]

So would you bind a key to game change?

[still gorge]

What's a reply2

[deft zephyr]

on a real arcade neogeo cab you press select button to change on the fly . the replay2 is a new bigger fpga then the de10 looks like it will be on sale this year

[ocean phoenix]

If you really care that much you can put in a feature request in GitHub. Just be aware it’s very unlikely that change will be added in because this is a Console core and that functionality provides no end-user benefit over manually loading games yourself.

[deft zephyr]

i will ask sorg about it but the answer will be no lol

[ocean phoenix]

If you can make a compelling case he might. What I posted is likely what will go through his mind so having answers to those two arguments would be a great start.

[unreal swallow]

Yeah, the best use case for mimicking the four slot is someone who wants to use the core on a real cab and have it feel seamless to OG hardware

[still gorge]

I'm gonna tell you a little secret

If you can find someone who knows how to code and will add it to the core you'll have a much bigger chance too

[deft zephyr]

as the saying goes if you want something done you have to do it your self thinking about learning how to do this fpga stuff going to be looking at Allen guides

[still gorge]

that would be even better!

[full raven]

the multislot mvs change the game with the controller Select button.

once you have inserted one coin in the system, it allows you to change the game. The atract mode changes de game when NEOGEO logo appears.

[limber atlas]

This won’t work on the mister

Rom is loaded to the sdram

And it gets filled up just by one rom

Fitting 4 Roms in the sdram won’t work as there is no space

[ocean phoenix]

If you think about it the Neo Geo core is basically the ultimate multi slot. Once you insert a coin just go to the load game menu and select what you want to play.

[still gorge]

so we need bigger SDRAM specifically for the Neo Geo core, got it

https://tenor.com/view/mark-cuban-shark-tank-notes-taking-notes-remember-gif-15073512

[abstract birch]

I wonder if you could do a 2-slot by utilizing dual ram?

[still gorge]

dammit that's an interesting question

[forest bloom]

or just load a game, play it , then load another game

[still gorge]

That takes SECONDS longer!

[fluid idol]

and enduring two separate loading bars?

[still gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/bridgerton-phoebe-dynevor-daphne-bridgerton-daphne-period-drama-gif-20000424

[limber atlas]

No

[deft zephyr]

has sombody already tried to do this?

[forest bloom]

no

there is no benefit

its so much easier to just load a new rom, than rewrite the core to use different ram chips

[deft zephyr]

have you ever played on 4 slot neoego cab befor?

[forest bloom]

yes many times there was one at the cinema

and it offered nothing. I never sat there going oh joy I can switch game

I played one game then I played another

and the core does that now

I also had the original HW at hom,e

and never used it

To rewrite the core is an effort that is wasted

[deft zephyr]

its not the same experience its not a waste of effort the goal of the
mister project is preservation
unless that has change i can see why you think that

[limber atlas]

Yeah but there is no space to load 4 roms

Current Neo geo core is already pushing the de 10 nano

[deft zephyr]

4 slot no maybe a 2 slot but the point would be to do it and have it ready for the bigger fpga coming out

[limber atlas]

Inshallah

[forest bloom]

its already in Mame though

so if you are desperate use Mame

[deft zephyr]

not useing mame

[forest bloom]

yes but if you want 4 slot you can use Mame

[unreal swallow]

wouldn’t there be a way to recreate that feature without actually needing to pre-load 4 games into ram? A toggleable option in the OSD that just lets you put four roms into slots and then assign some key to a shortcut that loads the game in the next slot? Of course, I guess you’d still get at least a black screen or loading bar when switching games that way…

so it wouldn’t be perfect

[still gorge]

yeah the loading time is what kills it

[urban vector]

What actual benefit would there be adding in 4 slots?

[still gorge]

none

recreation of a real life phenomenon

[urban vector]

Only thing I can think of is someone wanting to run a bootleg arcade machine with a hacked version Main removing load screens

[gritty compass]

It's neat in theory, but unless someone wants to rewrite the core and try to make it happen, I don't think it'll happen.

[ocean phoenix]

Yeah basically, haha.

[still gorge]

What is the reason the core needs XML files for zipped roms?

[limber atlas]

Because it tells the core where the rom sets are located and how to load them

[still gorge]

Why is this needed in the core but not in a software emulator I guess is my question

[limber atlas]

Which emulator?

[still gorge]

Mame or FBN neo don't need xml sheets for neo Geo zips do they?

[limber atlas]

MAME has a similar thing

They specify

https://github.com/mamedev/mame/blob/8e95e766efad2330ebd52fc993b5c93006b3b5ac/src/mame/neogeo/neogeo.cpp#L11208

[pallid jacinth]

ROM_START( svcplus )

[full raven]

I don't think it's necessary to implement multislot function in NEOGEO core.

change the game is fast just loading other game you want to play

I had one of these big 6 slot mvs... I remember how problematic it was.

[fading cape]

Just checking it's nothing weird with my setup... Anyone else struggling to get the New Super Mario Bros demo working on the core? I end up getting corrupted graphics in the bios - the game seems to load fine, but then none of my inputs are working.

It might be that the game doesn't work on real hardware, since it's homebrew, but I wonder if this is a known issue

(To be honest, I don't actually care about playing it, but since it didn't work, I'm curious!)

[unreal swallow]

@fading cape I’ll check if I have that demo and try it to confirm if no one beats me to it

i’ll try to check tonight…hopefully

@fading cape Ok, I snagged a second and was able to try….I also get corrupted BIOS graphics, but my inputs work fine and I am able to play. I am seeing some slight gtaphical corruption during gameplay, but thanks for mentioning this! It’s really neat and impressive

you may just need to try deleting your controller config files for the neogeo core, redefine your controller in the core and then relaunch the demo

[fading cape]

My controller seems to work in other games within the core, so I don’t think it’s the controller config, but I can try it

Just in case it's helpful, here are the md5sums of each of the files for the game:

134157ab304f50f02421e08bf0941f2c  crom0
d3d9446802a44259755d38e6d163e820  fpga
3c0c08e96234c4a19b179b7840b43078  m1rom
8fb6daf0eb17c8c3d1793be179ae6bc2  prom
9b4b1c224a9e24dad11ed95f80194afa  srom
96f9e4a7e74105027f2404745eb6bfb0  vroma0

Yep - tried that and still no change. 😦

If I try pressing select and start at the same time, I get an in-game menu come up (so inputs are being registered), but I can't read any of the commands because they're all corrupted (green/white).

Also tried resetting the settings more generally inside the core and still no difference.

[fading cape]

Well I've at least verified that my files match the Darksoft set from the first hit that I could find on Google.

[unreal swallow]

what about other games on the core? Do controls work there?

[still gorge]

Is there a way to verify NEO file type games, like how you can verify mame roms with various utilities

[fading cape]

Everything else is absolutely perfect, which is why this one is frustrating me. Haha

[fading cape]

Not that I’m aware of

[still gorge]

https://wiki.terraonion.com/index.php/Neobuilder_Guide#:~:text=The current version is 1.06,section after registering your cartridge.&text=It's a simple UI over,or missing from your list.

Sounds like there is

[nocturne storm]

can't you run the check in the unibios?

[still gorge]

Say whaaaa

[forest bloom]

unibios knows noithing of the neo format

[nocturne storm]

But if the check says it is ok shouldn't the neo file also be ok?

[forest bloom]

there is no check for files in unibios

certainly not for a .neo format

[fading cape]

Frustratingly my files aren’t in .neo format, they come from the darksoft pack 😦

[forest bloom]

then you need the xml files too

[fading cape]

I have the xml files, and the rom is listed in there 🙂

It’s literally just this one. It doesn’t matter. I’m not too bothered. I was just curious if another person had tried this particular version

[unreal swallow]

@fading cape maybe try a .neo version? I downloaded that version from the dev’s itch.io page

actually, maybe point us to the version that you are currently using if you can…as far as I can tell it’s a freely released demo so I think you can post the link

[fading cape]

I’ll try the Neo version from itch to rule that out. Didn’t think of that one - thanks! As for the darksoft version, it’s collected with some other things, which makes it trickier to link to. Maybe it’s just a bad version

[unreal swallow]

could be

i’ll check the official itch.io page and see if there’s a darksoft version there…that said, I am not sure if that would include the needed xml

[fading cape]

It’s already in the gamelist.xml distributed with the Neo Geo core 🙂

[still gorge]

What if I told you that you can convert the darksoft pack to neo

[nocturne storm]

No there is a rom bank check

[still gorge]

I keep most of my ROMs in the ROM bank

[nocturne storm]

funny

[haughty veldt]

This feels relevant to us Neo Geo peeps:
https://youtu.be/ydRUmigKzJM?si=Seo2qTM64UBqCdTz

[sonic solstice]

"I'm gonna take you for a ride." Wait a minute....

[zinc kite]

https://youtu.be/WFIQWOuAY4M

Finally playing Samurai Spirits/Shodown RPG. The english patch is great! Neo Geo CD core handles it perfectly also, as long as you keep CD speed at 2x or less.

[craggy stag]

how much longer will the neogeo pocket core come out?
I see one is being developed.
Analogue pocket has a core but needs a cart. openos core i think will be the same.
I just play it on higan for now.
NEOGEO is my top retro console for sure. I have always emulated it, no other choice, where to find a aes anyways plus if i did rumer said it was 1 grand or something. then the nintendo's consoles of cource.

[unreal swallow]

I’m looking forward to the finished NGPC core too. Jotego has the beta version out, but it’s kinda finicky and I haven’t messed with it much

really hoping we see a drop for that core on Pocket too…I’m sure we will, the question is just how long it will take

[craggy stag]

to pick up a gamedrive flashcart for the pocket or wait for the core? A yes or no question..
I barley care about it. most games are Japanese to buy real carts. There are a bunch of English tittles. flash cart will let me play translations atleast. i have a real cart thou. so i know it works.
Now if it was able to play actual NEOGEO AES or MVS i wouldn't hesitate.

[gritty compass]

I would keep waiting, I'm saying this as someone who literally just bought one and a flash cart lol it's a very neat handheld but it's a pretty slim library, some great games but there's so much to play on MiSTer already, there's plenty to go through while you wait

[craggy stag]

From the limited run games page.
It kind of looked like there was a NEOGEO POCKET COLOR SELECTION Vol. 1 cart. those are the games im looking for anyways. selection 2.
Looking it up for a hour, it's for the modern consoles, steam, switch and so on. whatever really.
To bad i would of got the cart.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1586350/NEOGEO_POCKET_COLOR_SELECTION_Vol_1_Steam_Edition/

Steam

NEOGEO POCKET COLOR SELECTION Vol. 1 Steam Edition

Retro game fans rejoice! NEOGEO POCKET COLOR SELECTION VOL.1 Steam Edition is SNK's legendary handheld console dream collection, containing 10 handheld defining classics, is coming to Steam!

Price

$39.99

▶ Play video

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1983850/NEOGEO_POCKET_COLOR_SELECTION_Vol2/

Steam

NEOGEO POCKET COLOR SELECTION Vol.2

NEOGEO POCKET COLOR SELECTION Vol.2The second wave of the dream collection is here!Ten new NEOGEO POCKET COLOR masterpieces are included!■This collection contains ten titles in total, including four that are currently sold separately—meaning six new titles have been added!■Play through a varied lineup of genres from sports, puzzles, table games,...

Price

$39.99

▶ Play video

[craggy stag]

SNK vs. Capcom: Card Fighters Clash looks like pokemon trading card game for gameboy color.

we probably grab the gamedrive for neogeo in the new year.
Maybe the neogeo pocket core will be released by then.

[ocean phoenix]

Pretend it doesn’t exist until it does. Its current release is just the original black and white with zero support for color and it has lots of issues remaining

it’s taken a year to get to that state too.

[craggy stag]

maybe grab the analogue neogeo pocket core and make it work on open os or mister.
IDK
I don't even know how to code. i just found this stuff on the internet.

[urban vector]

You can't take a closed source core from Analogue and use it in anything else

If you have a pocket I would expect at some point soon it will be available in their open OS thing like all the other analogue cores though, so may want to hold off getting an expensive NGPC flash card and adaptor if you want to run ROMs

[ocean phoenix]

That’s what I’m doing! Waiting patiently until there’s a core for the MiSTer,

[craggy stag]

🙂

[ocean phoenix]

(and also playing it on the Switch lol)

[haughty veldt]

It's a fantastic game! Card Fighters Clash had me absolutely hooked a few years back.

[craggy stag]

selection 1 is good to get. has the top games almost.

selection 2 says enlgish and japanese for SNK VS. CAPCOM CARD FIGHTERS' CLASH

[uneven vector]

Wait for a sale on the selections since their emulator isn't the greatest, but it does come with the roms. Also, Match of the Millennium is only available by itself on steam and Crush Roller is only in the v. 1 of the Steam collection. 2nd collection has some untranslated games, which is especially bad for the board game (King of Fighters Battle de Paradise) included. One game in v. 2 plays a different game when played in Neo Geo Pocket mode (Battle de Paradise IIRC), which, unlike the main game, is a simple arcade style game that doesn't require any reading. I ended up buying a flash cart, but I already had games for the other two adapters and plan to eventually get a NGPC.

Card Fighters Clash is definitely the highlight of collection 2, though I wish they at least included Samurai Showdown! 1 since it's different from the second game and is the odd b/w game that has a special color palette in the system itself. KoF R-1 is very good, but is more similar to R-2 than you would think despite being based on KoF '97 and R-2 being based on 98. R-2 actually has most of the same characters and an extra mode.

and I couldn't trick the emulator into playing the fan translation of Rockman Battle and Fighters.

[shell bobcat]

This new Vegeance Hunters for Neo, looks the bollocks. I hope more follow after this.

[sonic solstice]

I just hope they sell a rom eventually. I want to give them money, but 1) not 400 bucks and 2) not for a cart I can't use/rip. I say that knowing nothing about whether or not they have any special mojo in the cart (which might make a rom hard). But their business model of physical only seems to work for them.

I want to support 'em though. :/

[haughty veldt]

Going physical only for a Neo Geo game especially is absolutely bonkers. The number of people who can actually use a physical Neo Geo cart is so small it's ridiculous.

[sonic solstice]

Yeah, it's like a guaranteed sales base though. So 400-600 bucks with a limited run that you know will sell out? The conversion scene is absolutely thriving right now, too. I'm guessing they will sell out no problem. But... they could make a lot more by going with rom sales after that. And my hope is they do that. Get the collectors taken care of, then drop the rom for $30 or something.

In 2024, though, it's like 'release a ROM or someone will for you' basically. So if it's not part of a marketing strategy, they're definitely being short sighted.

[soft juniper]

they have said they won’t release a generic rom, that if you want to play it you will need to get “a modern release”. They may go back and release a rom for the neosd rom cart because they can supposedly lock the rom to that

[south cloud]

Or adding an ASIC/FPGA chip for copy protection, like on Kraut Buster.

[soft juniper]

but, look at neo dev team, they were releasing some of their games to modern platforms, but they stopped even that

neofid has already come out and said they aren’t going to release a rom for their demons of asteborg neogeo remake

but on the plus side, that is one less indiegogo I have to support 😄

[gritty compass]

yeah, it's always annoying when buying the rom directly isn't an option. I do my best to support new homebrew games but with neo geo stuff, it's just so crazy expensive

[craggy stag]

i got the translation of part 2.
Should be in the everdrive pack.

[zinc kite]

Neo Geo has such wonderful 2D art. Here are some screenshots I took recently from Samurai Shodown RPG:

[haughty veldt]

The game is insanely good looking. I loved my play through of the first scenario. The second scenario did start to feel like a bit of a slog though, so I never ended up finishing that one.

[ocean phoenix]

Would’ve been better as polygons

[ocean phoenix]

lololol

[haughty veldt]

I see that Dark Robby has returned to us.

You need to be re-indoctrinated into the 2D fold. Go play some Magic Knight Rayearth on the Saturn and absorb its 2D fat-baby splendor!

[ocean phoenix]

It’s no contest, just look at this:

[fluid idol]

you talking shit about hng64?

[ocean phoenix]

…maybe?

@haughty veldt told me to do it!!!

[fluid idol]

if he told you to burn your pis, would you do it?

[haughty veldt]

Shall we test out that theory?

[fluid idol]

It would be the proper thing to do

for science

[ocean phoenix]

[fluid idol]

you know that the resident bacon probably has a hng64 backpack in his closet, so if you don't behave he'll strap it on and bust the shit out of you

[uneven vector]

Or Samurai Shodown! 2 on the Neo Geo Pocket Color, a 2D fat-baby version of the second Hyper Neo Geo 64 game!

[ocean phoenix]

Hahahahaha

Look, it’s a Neo Geo Pocket game!

👊

[craggy stag]

I thank furtech getting neogeo arcade on there first. best console if i am looking for quick games to play. I never seen the AES. i hear it was $1000 then, didn't even have income then.
well the other consoles do the rest like rpg's i suppose.
A list of neogeo pocket games. meh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJv5rlyZ8Ss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6Phb_dghq8

[ancient nimbus]

hey guys had a question about Neo Geo CD, vs Neo Geo

is there any real difference here?

[haughty veldt]

CD audio for some games. Some exclusives like the Samurai Shodown RPG. Some games have some extra modes or options.

[uneven vector]

Some fighting games have less frames due to the CD format.

Unlike wonderswan and GB, most NGP games have very similar color counterparts. SS2 is different from the first one and the only NGPC game based on a Hyper Neo Geo 64 game. KoF R-1 is similar to R-2, but both have about the same amount of characters with R-2 actually getting a character who wasn't originally in '98, Kasumi Todoh.

R-1 has Orochi, Kim Kaphwan, and Chizuru, while R-2 has Omega Rugal, Kasumi, and Kyo's Daddy.

[ocean phoenix]

Now? Some games have differences, relatively minor though. But back then the real benefit was being able to buy games way cheaper.

[uneven vector]

yeah. I went the cheaper games and flash cart for the more expensive ones route.

and mainly becuase I had the adapter for the pocket, but now that I have games for the NGPC, might as well get the actual system too.

[ocean phoenix]

Oh I was answering his NGCD question. But yeah the NGPC is ace. I have a system a decent library of carts.

[uneven vector]

oh yeah, I realized that after I posted. lol. I like how MiSTer has CD support now.

[ocean phoenix]

and disc speed increase!

[ancient nimbus]

I'll try to stick to the non cd versions of fighters then. Thanks alot for the insight guys. Enjoying the hell out of this core.

The 4x disc speed increase is awesome

Crazy how long those load tines can be.

[haughty veldt]

Just be aware that some games can't run with the 3x and 4x speed options. You need to keep it at 2x for those games (like the SamSho RPG). Or 1x if you're a masochist.

[zinc kite]

needs more testing, but it seemed in samurai shodown RPG you might be able to get away with just booting the game in 2x speed and then switching it to 3x or even 4x after the game starts. I only had issues above 2x when trying to boot it up

be sure to save often if you try this though, definitely dont want you to lose progress!

[craggy terrace]

does samsho v perfect run on the core without any tweaking?

[fading cape]

I’m not an expert, but I’d be incredibly surprised if it didn’t

[craggy terrace]

I assume it might need some kinda database additions?

[fading cape]

If it’s not already in your romset.xml, or in .neo format, I suspect so

Looking at the default romset.xml, it seems to be in there: https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NeoGeo_MiSTer/blob/master/releases/romsets.xml

There’s a comment about some games being made for a specific board, but I think that’s just the actual commented lines themselves, rather than a block of lines.

[craggy terrace]

oh yeah it's right in there

awesome

[zinc kite]

Yeah it works perfectly last I tried- I remember adding both that and Xeno Crisis to the xml some years back after testing them

[lucid flume]

It does work fine.

[shell bobcat]

Hey there, what's the difference between the different speed neo geo cores and why is there 2 extra clock speeds?

[willow girder]

Which cores are you referring to? Usually with Neo Geo there are turbo cores to reduce stutter or improve frame rate and there are also 60Hz cores for better sync with modern displays since the original spec gives some displays trouble.

[ocean phoenix]

Those two higher clock speed cores might help with some games but in reality causes major bugs with most. They are unofficial and not supported at all. I think Metal Slug 2 works ok with them.

[limber atlas]

The turbo cores are buggy and they don't include the latest synchonized rework of the core

[still gorge]

I'd love to see compatibility increased and the turbo merged as an option in the regular core

[fading cape]

What doesn’t work? I was under the impression that the Neo Geo core was basically perfect, because it was based on decaps etc. Obviously barring a few bugs etc

[limber atlas]

I believe they are referring to the turbo core

[fading cape]

Ahh, gotcha

[limber atlas]

As the regular core is good

[fading cape]

Presumably the comparability problems are just due to the fact that the games weren’t designed to run with faster hardware, rather than issues with the turbo cores themselves

Things breaking when cores run things faster is pretty much par for the course

[still gorge]

Yes turbo core

[shell bobcat]

I see, just confused why it had 2 clock speeds when usually you just see one turbo edition. If the hardeare wasn't designed to run faster, how come metal slug 2 seems to work well? I'm not being funny, just curious.

[ocean phoenix]

I forgot why the two clock speeds but if I were to hazard a guess, the lower of the two turbo cores is probably more compatible with a wider array of games

the 24Mhz one was pretty problematic with everything I threw at it though

Honestly, it's for the best. If you really want to play Neo Geo games with increased clockspeeds and are willing to fuss around with compatibility issues then software emulation is a better path for that.

[fading cape]

Embrace the lag! It’s cycle accurate lag 😎

[shell bobcat]

I have no problem with the originals believe me, but I do like improvements when it comes to frame rate. Thanks for explaining, appreciated.

[lucid flume]

Metal slug 2 with turbo is a whole different experience though.

[fading cape]

Isn’t there a romhack that basically fixes the slowdown?

[shell bobcat]

So is there a need for the turbo core is this rom hack fixes the slowdown? Does it work on the mister?

[still gorge]

Played some Neo Turf Masters with my buddy who's a ginger, at the MGC, then he liked it enough we played more at the hotel room last night on MiSTer lol

[forest bloom]

So you are telling us you picked up a man at a gaming convention and took him for some games in your hotel room ?

[still gorge]

Correct

[urban vector]

Turf Masters and chill

[lucid flume]

The hack certainly helps. I've been using them both together and it's a solid 60fps smooth game. Feels great.

[shell bobcat]

I'll add that to my collection, nice one.

[ocean phoenix]

Which one is you?

[still gorge]

The handsome one

[ocean phoenix]

Noice

[still gorge]

On the right lol

[ocean phoenix]

Noice

[forest bloom]

The one on the left has the forced grin of I only came to play a game please send help !!

[haughty veldt]

You're noice.

[ocean phoenix]

You too

[full raven]

the only thing this cone needs is the sound balances

[ocean phoenix]

Yeah? Is the sound off or is it left right mixing?

[full raven]

psg-fm-adpcm balances

the sound is correct, but not the balances

[zinc kite]

mdfourier neo geo would be great. theres many different systems to sample from likely with different levels though

[nocturne storm]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NeoGeo_MiSTer/issues/211

Some mdfourier MVS work has been done…

[zinc kite]

Wonder if in the future we'll have sound options in the core to match any differences between AES and MVS

[full raven]

That would be great

[zinc kite]

very nice looking. looks like a slot mask on the left and aperture grille on the right?

[lucid flume]

Pretty much. Imaging science and technology on the left. RGB slot mask thin on the right. Or something like that. 30/70 on the scanlines and 55 sharpness.

1440 on a c1

[zinc kite]

its very bright for the image science and technology mask, especially with 30/70 adaptives... which variant of the mask are you using?

and is the "rgb slot mask thin" one in the main distribution or is it custom? dont recall seeing that

[lucid flume]

It's the "bright" version from the BGR folder for IST

[lucid flume]

Yeah I probably got the name wrong. I think it's RGB stripe [thin]

[zinc kite]

any idea what folder its in?

[zinc kite]

thanks! you use hdr on your cx with that? still seems brighter than i ever recall seeing those variants

[lucid flume]

Yes. HDR and BFI

[lucid flume]

Shadow_Masks/Complex (Multichromatic)/Other/Stripe/Subpixel BGR (Common)/RGB Stripe [Thin] [BGR].txt

[zinc kite]

Appreciate it! sorry for all the questions but I'm always looking for mask recommendations. The massive amounts of folders and variations makes it pretty daunting, especially considering some only work well at/below/above certain resolutions..

[lucid flume]

No problem at all. Glad to share.

[still gorge]

I was playing mister this weekend and once again my neo geo games took forever to load. Like minutes for Neo Turf Masters

[lucid flume]

Bad disk?

[still gorge]

Nothing else takes that long 🤷‍♂️

[sonic solstice]

Might still be worth doing a quick Mr. Fusion on another sd and just dropping a few NG roms on there. Just to eliminate.

[still gorge]

Yeah maybe

[craggy stag]

Got these because I found them.
Just grabbed the ones they had in front.
I didn't know of neogeo pocket. I only knew neogeo mvs arcade. Neogeo avs long after. i never seen it at stores and herd it was 1 grand, i didn't have that then. I never seen a avs in person.

[nocturne storm]

AES

[last mist]

Wow.. for a “just grabbed” you got some killer titles to boot! NGP was awesome because it was quirky, had decent software and lasted forever on batteries compared to other devices at the time.

[craggy stag]

sorry thought this was analogue pocket discord. I am all over the place
Got the adapters in. for neogeo pocket, turbo graphics cards and lynx>

Wonder if you people can grabe the core from analogue pocket. still FPGA, Still think cyclone 5.
Whatever someone is working on it. Give it a year i suppose. Almost don't care. I grabbed a couple of games to see how well they run almost
TO NEOGEO MVS AND AES

[nocturne storm]

AES sigh

there is no Neo Geo AVS

[fringe ingot]

don't give Analogue any funny ideas...

or next thing you know we'll have a wood grain "no emulation" clone console

[twilit wolf]

NG MES

[uneven vector]

There is the RetroUSB AVS, but that's a FPGA NES clone.

[fringe ingot]

yeah that was what I was riffing off, haha

[uneven vector]

I find it interesting that the NGPC Metal Slugs were from Skyblazer SNES devs, Turf Masters was Saurus, and Sonic, while credited to Dimps, was mostly Nazca staff (most of the staff that went to Dimps was production staff). Neo Geo Cup '98 also had some Nazca staff.

[fading cape]

@ocean phoenix From the PSX channel - what NGCD games do I need to get?

[still gorge]

Neo Turf Masters

[south cloud]

Samurai Spirits RPG (EN translated)

[gritty compass]

Crossed Swords 2, Ironclad

[ocean phoenix]

This is what I recommend for exclusives that are cool to play:

• Crossed Swords II
• Ironclad - Tesshou Rusha
• Samurai Shodown - Tales of the Bushido (Translated)
• Zintrick

These are games that have fun extras, not just improved audio or art galleries:

• Metal Slug 1 & 2 - training mode called combat school
• Neo Turf Masters - new Scotland course to unlock
• Windjammers - rebalanced point scoring
• Real Bout Fatal Fury Special - a music video using in-game assets and spritework

The following games have awesome CD soundtracks that are worth playing over their cart originals:

• King of Fighters '96 NeoGeo Collection, The
• Street Hoop
• Viewpoint

Here's a french website that has more details on the additions that the NGCD version of games feature:

https://web.archive.org/web/20231003035711/https://neogeocdworld.pagesperso-orange.fr/jeux/BonusNGCD.htm

I could be wrong but I think the reduced animation frames might be a Sega Saturn or PS1 port issue. All the NGCD ports should be identical to the original games except for atrocious load times and extras.

[south cloud]

@ocean phoenix Should be better like that (current updated website with auto English translation) - https://www-neogeocdworld-info.translate.goog/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=fr

Aymeric is very knowledgeable on the system.

[ocean phoenix]

Thank you! I was trying to find it but clearly I failed, haha

[fading cape]

Thank you! ❤️

[willow girder]

Worthy of a pin. Thanks.

[fading cape]

Agreed

[zinc kite]

thanks for sharing your list! only had turf masters and SSRPG so far. looking forward to checking out some of the other ones here 🙂

[ocean phoenix]

Crossed Swords II and Ironclad did receive unofficial AES ports but they made obvious cuts. Like CS2 didn’t have the game’s original cd soundtrack and repurposed CS1.

[ocean phoenix]

I don’t like pinning my recommendations lol. It’s all subjective anyways.

[lucid flume]

Just do it

[last mist]

Sittin’ on the Blacktop Pickin’ our teams…. 😂

[soft juniper]

Yeah, Robby’s favorite neogeo game is Legend of Success Joe.

[uneven vector]

Why does one of the worst games on Neo Geo have to have an awesome Engrish title?

[uneven vector]

Ironclad is actually a proto. I'm not sure if it's missing content, but I wouldn't be surprised since it's a prototype.

[warm echo]

i tried running some neogeo games as .neo recently and so far everything i tried appears are broken / missing graphics

anyone familiar with what i might be doing wrong?

[warm echo]

i think i was having bios issue, nm

accidentally deleted something i shouldn't have

[shell bobcat]

Is their a new neo geo core core which has the increase CPU and bug fixes? I've seen this for the analogue pocket, but wondered if this is mister bound also?

[sonic solstice]

It's being touched up, but it's coming soon.

Oh, yeah so someone else will have to backport the changes to MiSTer. But it's not even officially out yet on Pocket. A few folks have preview builds, but it should be soon. The dev has laid out the changes so they should be implementable on MiSTer, but in his post about it, it sounded like he wasn't personally going to do MiSTer currently.

But that's been his policy for a while on the Overdrive core.

[limber atlas]

I don’t think the Neo geo port to pocket is based on the synchronous code that was implemented last year

[sonic solstice]

It's all based on Furrtek's implementation AFAIK.

[full raven]

which bugs there are in the actual neogeo core ?

I feel it perfect ( except the sound balances )

[shell bobcat]

I just heard that the dev of this overdrive core was working on bugs that occur using a higher cpu. From what I understand its wip nearly ready for release. From review it looks very smooth in its current state.

[full raven]

ahh ok

overclock the neogeo

not very interested in it, but at the same time interesting thing.

[little cosmos]

There was one posted in here or on the misterfpga forums a while back, it was a manual install though. Try searching for 18mhz or 24mhz in this thread.