SNK Neo Geo

[full raven]

it's in bad state

of course

the CD part is full of flickering

and KOF 94 in AES-MVS mode still broken

[limber atlas]

Video on the core needs some tweaking

Aof 3 credits still has bugs

But that has been there for a while

Kof issue seems like sprite delay issue

Line buffer needs adjustment

[full raven]

working from this base, maybe everything will be fixed sood

soon

[abstract birch]

Hadn't seen this before, new Neo Geo game coming out: https://www.x-community.eu/t2547-cyborg-force-nouveau-jeu-neo-geo

[green marten]

I saw that earlier. Interesting

[austere nymph]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NeoGeo_MiSTer/pull/197

[crimson rivet]

So wasn't there a core regression. You think this may fix it?

[limber atlas]

Nice

This may have fixed the flickering

[south cloud]

If you want to test yourself.
At least, the flickering on the Neo Geo CD part is gone.

[full raven]

How bout kof 94?

[austere nymph]

I think the same because it is just related to cd part

[south cloud]

After testing, KOF'94 flickering bug is still there.

[full raven]

Fantastic... now we have zoomglitching...

If anybody can report?

[south cloud]

I've seen a "timing requirements not met" warning on my compilation log just before.
I don't know if the problem is related or not.

[full raven]

ummm

maybe

[south cloud]

Let's finally wait for the unstable version to appear (with AutoBuild) and test it one more time.
If we get the same result, it will be appropriate to report the problem.

[austere nymph]

Is it on Kof94 i don't have it on my side but I don't have the neogeo logo right after the reset of the core. I'm using original bios so I have green garbage and the Neogeo Logo seems ok on my side

[forest bloom]

A big merge occured, Its not the time to light the torches and try and burn down the castle

[south cloud]

I can see it quite clearly on my system with the original BIOS - after the green garbage.

On all games.

[austere nymph]

the glitch on the middle of the O I need to recheck it ?

[full raven]

Unstable build is broken

Yes

Zoom glitch

Both CD and AES/MVS side

[sick axle]

I noticed some vertical lines of pixels on the latest unstable build

[full raven]

yes yes

something is wrong in this

[limber atlas]

Report issue on GitHub

[austere nymph]

confirmed also on my side

but I don't see the zoom glitch on my side 😅

[limber atlas]

Line buffer needs some attention

Paul did some fixes to it

[full raven]

I just did a report

but I can't add files

so

if anybody can do it

I can't add videos

nothing

so

if anybody can make a video of the issue, would be good.

[limber atlas]

I’ve told you before, no more nsfw material on GitHub

🤣

[full raven]

nsfw, what is that ?

i don't understand some of those english abreviations... anyway.

[forest bloom]

Not Safe For Work

Ie Pornographic content or illegal content

[full raven]

ahhh ok

[limber atlas]

I’m kidding

But if you have video then paste it here so that I can attach it there

[full raven]

yes

[south cloud]

EDIT : Some fixes are up.

[ocean phoenix]

#unstable-nightlies message

Anyone try it out yet?

[urban vector]

What do we expect these recent clock updates and tweaks to fix?

[crimson rivet]

There were some regressions from the latest build that are trying to get fixed iirc

Just hoping to return to baseline

[urban vector]

Ah, got you

But more widely, what is the improvement or success metric being targeted by these clock updates? Is there a test that should be passed, or is it to do with fixing flickering, or audio issues? What is the end goal here

[austere nymph]

The MSLUG 1 issue is still present.

[rough ingot]

@urban vector Sorg aswell as JT and firrtek have mentioned that the core would need to be rewritten in a more fpga friendly manner at some point. Specifically the Kof issue was blamed on the core beeing unstable and thus requireing multiple build attemts in order to produce one that didnt exhibit the issue. So the result in the end should hopefully be that less regressions happen because of this.

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NeoGeo_MiSTer/issues/110#issuecomment-1312581488

See Sorgs comment on that issue

[full raven]

Arggg... neogeo... i feel cold

[limber atlas]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NeoGeo_MiSTer/commit/1c3608e184d323f14424cc9d3cc216bd82b69873

Seems like sorg did some linebuffer fixes

He fixed the Metal Slug issue that wark reported

[fringe ingot]

this has been a real rollercoaster of emotions

[austere nymph]

last unstable update no glitches on CD and Metal Slug 1 is fixed
I don't see the issue of Zooming flickering also on the previous build so if someone could chek !

[south cloud]

Sorg reverted the linebuffer changes from paulb-nl with the last fix.
So, the Neo Geo logo, Neo Geo CD and Metal Slug 1 are fixed.

No dice for KoF'94.

I had the same idea yesterday to do it and done a private build, testing some games rapidly and see if anything else is broken with the code revertion.

I don't know if AoF 3 credits are fixed too or not, that's something that could be tested with the last unstable build.

[austere nymph]

what is the issue for KoF 94 ?

[south cloud]

Some characters sprites 'explosions' (could be seen on the demo screen and in-game) + the text when a team have won is flickering on the right side of the screen.

[austere nymph]

Thank you I see the text the flickering when the team have lost

[urban vector]

Do people think this flickering is also related to the async clock?

[austere nymph]

MiST core doesn't have it so it is possible but difficult to say.

[urban vector]

Have all the recent updates in the MiST core been ported over?

[austere nymph]

don't know

it is huge change

[urban vector]

Reading the various tickets on this now

Sorg:
It means core has metastability issue which can be fixed only after major re-write to comply with FPGA rules.
It can be temporarily "fixed" by trying other SEED values for compilation. But any newer build may bring issue back...

Does all read like the core has got as close as it can to being accurate with its implementation which cut corners, or was a done in a slightly hacky way, and in order to improve further and remove technical debt with things going wrong when other changes are done, the core will need a major refactor in some places before things can improve further or not break when something new is added. That's my layman reading anyway.

[south cloud]

The flickering was fixed in the past by reverting some timing violations fix on the SDRAM, but it's not a valid solution.

[urban vector]

Do you think these changes could have any impact on the audio?

[south cloud]

Absolute no idea.

[urban vector]

Nobody has done any MDFourier recordings of the core yet, but wondering if these would be pointless until the clock issues are pinned down

Will be interesting to see how accurate the audio is to original hardware

[ocean phoenix]

really dumb question but what happened with the core, just some fixes went in but they caused other issues?

[urban vector]

Not a dumb question, I think a lot of people (myself included) have seen all these technical and obtuse to non-techy people updates and unsure what is going on.

[fringe ingot]

it sounds more like there were some pre-existing issues that are just being brought to light by these latest changes

it also sounds like the build is non-deterministic? I'm not really across this HDL stuff, but as a software person, that is terrifying

[urban vector]

My understanding thanks to comments here, is that recent changes have shown underlying issues (related to the async clocks being inaccurate) are causing problems and in order for the core to improve further without other issues popping up (like these flickering issues) then parts of the core need to be refactored to implement parts in a better way than they had been originally.

[limber atlas]

The code is synchronous now

gyurco has made the neo geo core for MiST synchronous

And now that has been ported to MiSTer

[urban vector]

Are you able to please explain what the difference between the code being asynchronous and synchronous to a non technical person?

[limber atlas]

Asynchronous code is basically where code and operations are not synchronized to clocks

Asynchronous is more flexible vs synchronized

But synchronous code is where all operations are synchronized to clocks and updated simultaneously

One is not better than the other

The important here is that code should be written in respect to FPGA

[shy bane]

Seems to me incorporating the recent Mist changes into the MiSTer core was the source of most of these recent issues. I hope the long term gain was worth it. Hopefully Paul and Sorg will get it sorted out.

[full raven]

hello

well

I suppose all of you are using unibios, right ?

well

AOF 3 doesn't have problems if normal bios is used

I never had this problem with credit's staff roll because I never use unibios

i don't like UNIBIOS... It destroys the NEOGEO experience.

and when I listened about a problem with AOF 3 I didn't understand why, because I never perceived the problem having played a lot AOF 3 and beating it.

well

now I tested it with unibios and the staffroll is broken

only with UNIBIOS

So, the thing now is

My NEOGEO console doesn't have an UNIBIOS, obviously.

the thing is, if anybody has an unibios in its system, to test the AOF3 for see if staffroll works

it could discard a problem with unibios, or with core

I remember, time ago, Super Spy had a problem with unibios

the main screen graphics of the intro were lost

maybe the problem with AOF is related only to UNIBIOS bug.

Another problem with Sonic Wings 2. I never had a problem with.... I'll test again and test with UNIBIOS too.

I use the normal AES bios ( japanese system )

[wary bronze]

I have an MVS with a Unibios and a NeoSD. Only problem is I'm not sure if I'm good enough to get the staff roll in AOF3 😅

[full raven]

if you have the unibios

put INFINITE ENERGY and go on

hehehe

[wary bronze]

Good point!

[austere nymph]

I agree using Unibios could imply some issues. It will be great to test on both cases

some known issues are also listed on the website of the unibios

http://unibios.free.fr/knownissues.html

[plucky stag]

I haven't tested it, but curious - does the mister core have 4p functionality for Kizuna Encounter?

[full raven]

you can activate the mode

unibios allows you to do it

but in theory... 2 boards, 2 carts, 4 controls

[plucky stag]

I just figure if it’s something you can do via mister that’s significantly more doable than hardware haha

[full raven]

not noticeable problems with aerofighters

[limber atlas]

Yes I can confirm, art of fighting 3 with original bios doesn’t have issue in credits

So now we have to confirm if this issue is there in real hardware

[full raven]

Yes, it's needed to be confirmed

but I think it is an Unibios problem

[wary bronze]

If I can later, I'll hookup my Unibios MVS and use @full raven 's recommendation of using the cheat to finish AOF3.

[haughty veldt]

Cheater! ||....I would too.||

[full raven]

confirmed, toya ?

[wary bronze]

It's the only prayer I'm going to have of seeing them in a timely manner. 😄

[austere nymph]

New updates
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NeoGeo_MiSTer/commit/39ec8c763a45d2e3d1b6a592ab524d87f631102e
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NeoGeo_MiSTer/commit/711193e0506c4c27614c1e7177f013cdea09f0ff

[austere nymph]

KoF94 still have texts glitches at the end of a match

[limber atlas]

It’s confirmed now, aof3 credits issue is a core bug

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/788351725512949770/1133880770809843762/PXL_20230628_075336608.mp4

This is mvs with unibios 4

Thanks atrac for sending the video

[full raven]

Staff Roll bug only appears if a cheat is enabled... I jiust confirmed in the core now.

[full raven]

Ok. CD version with unibios and cheat enabled. Same issue.

So, you all cheated in this game!!! Hohoho

[full raven]

new unstable

KOF 94 still broken

cd version works well, It's a mistery

[austere nymph]

Maybe more commits is needed to complete the task.
Keep hope 🙂

[full raven]

PAL mode... Raster Effects

broken

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NeoGeo_MiSTer/issues/201

[coral granite]

I remade my turbo, it seems buggier

[full raven]

this unstable is very broken

yes

has deep problems

[coral granite]

I assume its not a problem on my end than

[full raven]

PAL mode is broken

directly

[coral granite]

If anyone still wants it tho

[urban vector]

So... still flickering with this 2nd unstable build today?

[coral granite]

If anyone cares, CD Turbo does work with this version (It didn't previousally)

[limber atlas]

Can someone check zoom glitch in aof3?

[full raven]

Cart or CD ?

[limber atlas]

Cart

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/788351725512949770/1133880771778719846/PXL_20230628_082635784.mp4

Check right most vertical lines when zooming

[full raven]

you mean the overscan side ?

in the overscan side can appear garbage

I don't see problems in the zooming

The real aspect in the real system (in the mister too) doesn't allow to see the right overscan. It's only visible in a flat screen or moving the crt pots.

This is the real system too

[ocean phoenix]

Any difference or benefit of using dark soft vs .Neo ?

[still gorge]

I don't know if you can handle this, but I'm using Darksoft converted to .neo

[zinc sandal]

single file per game with readable filenames, don't need the XML (but that comes with the core), not a lot of difference really

[limber atlas]

Go for .neo

[limber atlas]

New neo geo build

[full raven]

broken

[austere nymph]

Paulb-nl seems to have a lead for raster issue on PAL mode.

[limber atlas]

Apparently, the aof3 vertical line clipping is a core bug and not part of the overscan

[full raven]

about the overscan in that game

the TV cannot go to this place of the screen

it's not shown in a common TV, so Idon't know

I know the overscan causes graphic glitches, but it's normal

but in this case... I can't reproduce because i cannot go to the problem's place in my TV

[austere nymph]

do you spot other issues ?

[full raven]

in PAL problems

the KOF thing

[limber atlas]

• KOF 94 issue
• PAL issue (paul is on it)
• AOF 3 vertical line glitch
• Other github issues that are mentioned

[austere nymph]

ok so all are in github 🙂

[limber atlas]

Yup

[austere nymph]

Paulb-nl said the raster could be link to timer maybe it could help also kof94

[full raven]

AOF3 is not an issue

if you don't like to see overscan artifacts they can be disabled in video options of the core.

but NEOGEO has artifacts at the overscan

they are impossible to see them in a common CRT TV, because they are out of the size of the screen

we can see them because we are using LED TVs and is for that the core has the option for disable them.

But I have to confess I love to see them

[austere nymph]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NeoGeo_MiSTer/pull/203 😍

[still gorge]

https://youtu.be/FLbNrYdRtl4

[bitter spire]

I haven't tested the unstable Neo Geo core, because I just assume it will get replaced with a new build pretty quickly. I'm just going to wait until things slow down.

[limber atlas]

Very good

[austere nymph]

the change for KoF94 is on romsets.xml so the issue is fixed for Darksoft set rom but still present in neo format

[candid orbit]

I guess it is like kof96 (very visible) on right side for instance

[limber atlas]

There is a user that almost swears that it is not part of overscan. We will have to wait for video evidence

[full raven]

This one has more available space for glitching

The MVS cart more than the AES cart, in fact

[limber atlas]

For .neo, main needs to be modified

[austere nymph]

Great !

I think it will help to fix durably this issue

[limber atlas]

I think it’s where the NeoQuirk is defined

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer/commit/f5eb24a4c1a12971eaea5e5cc5ad433f6a703d16

Goood

[austere nymph]

🙂

[still gorge]

So I have only been partially following this, will I have to do anything to my .neo files

[austere nymph]

some games required quirks
if you use Neo files you will have to update main mister to fix KOF94
if you use darksoft just update romset.xml is enough to fix KOF94

[ocean phoenix]

Reached out to Sorg this morning to thank him and Pauldb for his work. Letting him know y’all are doing great work checking out latest builds and testing. Thank you!

[austere nymph]

Yes it is important to thank them !

[patent granite]

I was just about to comment on the KOF94 quirks thing.

[still gorge]

Me too

[patent granite]

Its almost like core devs are more focused on making things work properly than my request to get a weird chinese rom hack working.

Harrumph.

[urban vector]

I just assume this is all groundwork for V-Liner and Jockey Grand Prix support. Can't have any flickering when support for those drops.

[austere nymph]

it depends if those games need some quirks

[urban vector]

I am joking, but those ones do need some small tweaks in order to work. Hopefully Paul does move onto supporting the unofficial games that aren't working after this is all cleaned up

Are all the NGCD sound issues fixed now?

[austere nymph]

Difficult to say we need to test a lot the new version to close issue opened and see if new opened issue is required

[still gorge]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NeoGeo_MiSTer/issues/194

Yaaay

[forest bloom]

boo Thats guys a Jerk always asking for things !!

[haughty veldt]

This has been like a roller coaster following the updates on Neo Geo over the last several days. Appreciate everyone working together to get it all sorted out!

[ocean phoenix]

Hahaha yesssssss #unstable-nightlies message

Damnierto, @still gorge beat me to it

[still gorge]

I may have received an email about it lol

[limber atlas]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NeoGeo_MiSTer/issues/131

I cannot reproduce it

Can someone else try?

I tried with darksoft rom

[full raven]

I never could reproduce this issue

[wary bronze]

I vaguely recall this being an issue on actual hardware.

I've never been able to replicate it either on the core or MVS through normal play.

[limber atlas]

I have now tried with .neo file and cannot reproduce this

How is the latest unstable? @full raven

[full raven]

testing

for me

kof 94 still fails

is it needed a XML ?

[south cloud]

Kof94 works with .neo format on my side (with the last unstable Main).
I cannot reproduce the Aerofighters 2 sound bug mentioned, neither with the original BIOS nor the UniBIOS.

[limber atlas]

Do you use darksoft or .neo?

If you use .Neo then you also need to install latest unstable main

[full raven]

darksoft

[ocean phoenix]

No comment about my clever combination of “damn” and “Dinierto” into damnierto?

[still gorge]

It was pretty good lol

Right now I'm making phone calls trying to figure out if I have a place to work next week so I'm distracted lol

[ocean phoenix]

Oh dude, I’m sorry! Can I help with anything?

[limber atlas]

You need the updated romsets.xml

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NeoGeo_MiSTer/blob/master/releases/romsets.xml

[full raven]

kof 94 fixed

with

the new XML

now this is working well

[limber atlas]

Good

[full raven]

NOW

I

FEEL

RELAXED

lol

[urban vector]

Does any script grab this XML or do we all need to update manually?

[full raven]

yes

download it

i did by downloading it manually

[full raven]

ah no

update all downloads it auto

[urban vector]

Good stuff

[limber atlas]

There was a report about ironclad audio pitch when getting weapon

Can someone confirm on real hardware?

It could be true to hardware since CD version exhibits the same audio pitch

[woeful wraith]

@full raven I think sorge wants you close some of the github issues 👍

[full raven]

Yes

i'll go there and close them

now

[woeful wraith]

🙂

[full raven]

closed

full love to sorge and paul

[limber atlas]

Yes they really did a fantastic job

[still gorge]

Nah, just weird drama

Basically everyone wants me and my business agent has been overzealous and promising me to everyone lol

So could be worse problems

Lots of communication breakdown and literal and figurative games of telephone lol

[deft zephyr]

finally the kof94 glitches got fix for good

[austere nymph]

and gyurco 🙂

[limber atlas]

Ok those audio spikes that happens in ironclad is true to hardware. BUT, sometimes when picking up power up, it doesn’t give me the jingle

Does this happen in real hardware as well?

The recordings I’ve seen online always jingles when picking up power ups

[full raven]

Ironclad ?

going to test in AES

it's a PSG sound

with original japanese bios

I don'¡t notice problems

[austere nymph]

For the game Zed Blade I have some issues with controls.
It seems I can just add coins

[full raven]

in real hardware can happen too

ummm

let's see

zed blade works for me

[austere nymph]

ok do I need sometimes before coins ?

it seems related to have one more coin to be able the controls work

wierd ...

[full raven]

using unibios

?

mvs original bios ?

[austere nymph]

mvs original bios

[full raven]

it doesn't let you start ?

[austere nymph]

start is ok but when I tried to select between the 3 character

sometimes it is not possible

[full raven]

Wait

Ummmmmmmmmmm

Input is in Joystick?

[austere nymph]

Joystick or Spinner

[full raven]

Use just joystick option

[austere nymph]

because sometimes I use spinner for Hypernoid

ah ok !

[full raven]

The dual causes problems

[austere nymph]

I see

thanks !

[full raven]

I think ironclad is normal

But would be nice more confirmations

[deft zephyr]

question about svc chaos if you pick Mia and dont press anything the cpu character never tries to attack you does this happen in real hardware

[full raven]

I will test tomorrow

I think yes

[hushed onyx]

more pseudo-random pidgeons?

[hardy yoke]

I could use a sanity check on playing Metal Slug X on NeoGeo rom. I've tried every bios option i have and both AES/MVS but all options seem to set off the copy protection on Metal Slug X specifically, none of my other games do this. The rom works perfectly fine via emulation on PC or Vita. Is there something i'm missing here? Do i need a different rom to play on the Mister core maybe?

[urban vector]

I think there is an issue on GitHub about that

[limber atlas]

Works for me

Get it from htgdb

[full raven]

It is a bug with EURO, USA BIOS

it happens in real hardware

[full raven]

It happens in real hardware. confirmed.

[limber atlas]

Ok

[full raven]

it seems random

the aerofighters bug I can't reproduce

[limber atlas]

Yeah this one I tried with two playthroughs and couldn’t reproduce

[full raven]

confirmed with OSSC

AOF 3 is NOT an issue

I'm sure that nobody plays in PAL, but these horizontal overscans are normal. My first NG system was a PAL console... I suffered this.

[supple ice]

Guys is it better to put all .chd files in seperate dirs for each game?

[limber atlas]

Yea that is best practice

[supple ice]

Thanks for the info.

[limber atlas]

Send this to atrac 🤣

[full raven]

Yes

[urban vector]

Looks like Paul and Sorg have been looking at some of the unofficial mapper tickets

[hushed onyx]

I really dont understand why you care about vliner so much

it's just a slot machine software to recycle old neogeo hardware

[shy bane]

"neogeo: support for large ADPCMA size". Wonder if this would allow for full stereo sound on Xeno Crisis. IIRC the original rom had to be modded in order to get stereo sound on MiSTer.

something due to a size constraint I think

[hushed onyx]

it worked fine afaik if you put it in the right format

only the .neo format had issues

if i'm remembering right?

[austere nymph]

yes it is ! for Xenocrisis the Neo file version is just in mono

you need to use the version labelled MiSTer for stereo

[urban vector]

I worked on virtual slot machines for years, interested to see what this one from the 90s played like on NG hardware.

That isn't one that Paul and Sorg have commented on though

[limber atlas]

What is the latest unstable about?

[urban vector]

This one I think:

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NeoGeo_MiSTer/issues/188

[limber atlas]

Yea you are right

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NeoGeo_MiSTer/issues/138

@full raven could you please verify this on real hardware

You have golden ears

[full raven]

I will

I think it's not an issue anymore

but i'll try it later

[ocean phoenix]

I wondered about his name but it now it all makes sense

GOlden Ears MON

“Mon” being Jamaican Patwah for person of course

[full raven]

lol

[urban vector]

Lots of comments today, looks like Sorg and Paul are on a push for zero issues which is great

[limber atlas]

Lol

[copper gull]

Good! @patent granite

[hardy yoke]

Right on the money! Reacquired from your source and works perfectly fine. Thank you!

[snow plume]

Glad to hear sorg is still working on MiSTer

[ocean phoenix]

Reminder to visit Sorg’s Patreon if you can!

https://www.patreon.com/FPGAMiSTer

[patent granite]

@copper gull are you familiar with the Neo Geo hack he is referencing?

Maybe this

Had to delete that, rom links

[patent granite]

That appears to be the hack, it might be unfinished. Currently some minor sound glitches.

[limber atlas]

Comment the ticket if so

[patent granite]

So many blocked messages. Cant be bothered to read them.

[urban vector]

Are there any other games now that aren't booting, that aren't covered by any GitHub issues?

[copper gull]

Noop, I only now about AE version

[patent granite]

I found what he was talking about but I dont think its finished

AE seems to work perfectly now

Im kind of surprised he allowed it since it is using resources that original hardware never had

[copper gull]

From what I understand, it's nothing that far above what can be supported and probably doesn't change many things, but I'm glad.. there might be other hacks that might be good to see if they work now

Off the top of my head I remember that the Snk vs Capcom Plus 2 hack didn't work

+1 point to Sorg

[patent granite]

No complaints from me

Tell me about the SNK vs Capcom Plus 2 hack though Im curious about all these enhanced ones

[copper gull]

If I remember, it unlocks all bosses and has some changes.

Only works on emulators currently

[patent granite]

The boss unlock ones Id assume would wrk without issues, I guess its the changes implemented

[copper gull]

I called it plus 2, but I think it's super plus

I played years ago on a bootleg in Brazil and I've only seen it running on emulators, since I got the mister I've been trying to run it but without success

https://youtu.be/kgYFyGYasi4

@patent granite remembering well I think there are additional characters

[patent granite]

Oh cool, that is a great bonus

Boss unlocks and gameplay tweaks are neat but actual added content is what interests me the most

[copper gull]

I agree, it's an advantage of romhacks.

[patent granite]

Im having a little trouble figuring out what the new characters are, if you happen to figure that out let me know

[copper gull]

https://www.reddit.com/r/cade/comments/vkk3hr/gameplay_svc_chaos_snk_vs_capcom_super_plus/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=2

Unfortunately this bootleg doesn't have an easy to find changelog, but here it says some characters that weren't available in arcade mode before

[patent granite]

Huh. Seems like it is mainly just a boss unlock hack then

Not a bad thing really as SVC Chaos had a lot of unlockable mid bosses and bosses

[full raven]

talking about SVC problem of selecting MAI and not being attacked if she doesn't move.

it happens with USA-EURO bios

[patent granite]

Discovered a few more bugs with KOF98AE on MiSTer. Eiji's sound samples are corrupted sounding, and the Japan stage has graphical glitches.

The former seems to be present in emulators as well so probably isnt fixable but the latter isnt. Looks like I get to reopen the issue.

[limber atlas]

Have you tried latest unstable?

[patent granite]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NeoGeo_MiSTer/issues/188#issuecomment-1656978926

[urban vector]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NeoGeo_MiSTer/issues/170#issuecomment-1656983088

Interesting, does this emulator play anything else MiSTer doesn't?

[plucky stag]

KOF 99ae and 96ae would be nice

[patent granite]

96ae already works

I have it and a handful of others on my archive . org site.. link in my discord profile

[urban vector]

Any others not working?

[patent granite]

Unsure what has been added to 99AE, it seems to be a boss unlock/hack

If its uncomplicated like 96AE I can just try building a .neo for it and trying to boot it

[patent granite]

I tried to build one but it crashes all the tools I have. Judging by it's uncompressed filesize compared to a standard KOF99 set, and file structure I'd say it has some additional content but Im not sure what.

[plucky stag]

There’s some systems changes, a friend of mine knows the list of tweaks if there’s any interest

[patent granite]

Sounds like itd be worth trying to get running in the core, I can't seem to build a .neo (maybe it needs some roms from the original kof99 set) and don't know the correct memory values to load the individual files into romsets.xml from the zip

[patent granite]

Just remember Neo Geo fans, just because Ducktales got ported to the SNES doesn't mean we can't toot our own horn, too.

[full raven]

I can't perceive nothing unusual in this title.

[limber atlas]

Goood

[limber atlas]

Only me that cannot launch samurai spirits rpg?

Latest unstable

Unibios

[shy bane]

Make sure your drive speed is 2x or lower. SSRPG won’t run above that

[limber atlas]

Oh ok

That might be the cause

[ocean phoenix]

damn, I’m just going to set drive speed to 1x. It’s causing more problems then it’s worth.

EDIT: this is due to issues on my end

[patent granite]

Most games are fine on 4X, only certain ones are crabby about it

[ocean phoenix]

I’ll have to ping you about the games then. I have so many problems running disc games.

[crimson rivet]

Every game I’ve run across works at 4X speed. Haven’t tried Sam Sho RPG though

[patent granite]

The configuration needs to be set a certain way.

Its finicky right now, I would assume things will improve in the future

[ocean phoenix]

I need help my MiSTer brothers and sisters for I am clearly doing shit wrong.

[crimson rivet]

Use these settings

[ocean phoenix]

Yah didn’t work for me 😭

It’s why I’m thinking it’s the games

or chd?

[crimson rivet]

Do you have redumps?

Mine are all CHD

[wary bronze]

CHD working fine here with those settings, @ocean phoenix

[ocean phoenix]

Ah good! Ok makes me happy to know that I’m doing something wrong.

Like not being jokey

That’s easy to fix lol

[wary bronze]

What kind of things are you seeing?

[ocean phoenix]

Just dumps me to the disc menu

[wary bronze]

And this is with stock and unibios?

[ocean phoenix]

ohhh

No! Using Cdz bios

[wary bronze]

That's a complete rundown of my settings working with CHD.

[patent granite]

Same here

[ocean phoenix]

Thank you ❤️

[patent granite]

Snart needs a capture card

[wary bronze]

You're a capture card.

Tried using the screenshot tool in the rad new Remote tool, but can't grab menu elements.

[patent granite]

Flattery will get you nowhere.

[patent granite]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-pout-grumpy-mad-drink-gif-17253047

[ocean phoenix]

lol that’s adorable

[patent granite]

grump

[plucky stag]

Turns out this page has a summary of changes: there’s now a groove select ala Capcom vs snk 2 or KOF 98, all characters who existed in 98 have EX versions based on those incarnations, and those who weren’t have newly created alt movelists for an EX version https://wiki.supercombo.gg/w/The_King_of_Fighters_'99/FAQ

[patent granite]

Well thats pretty neat. I hope someone can figure out how to build a .neo, or create a working entry in romsets.xml. I don't want to bother Sorg with any more hacks right now lol

[limber atlas]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NeoGeo_MiSTer/issues/188

Help them out @full raven please

[still gorge]

There are like 3 .neo apps and none of them seem to be one size fits all and easy to use

[patent granite]

The trouble I have with these hacks is that some files may or may not be required from the original romset, I dont know which so its a crapshoot

[still gorge]

Yeah

[urban vector]

Oh, Double Dragon CD issue fixed now

[full raven]

Do you have the NEO file for this game ? I think this won't work in NEOSD. I think I tried time before.

I hate the hacks, but this one seems good.

[limber atlas]

@patent granite

[full raven]

In the neosd wont work bad apple demo

Ducktales and TMNT demos

[patent granite]

NeoSD Pro could work maybe

[full raven]

I remember i tried 98 anniversaey

I@think it was broken

Sound was messed

I dont have the rom anymore

[patent granite]

Well, the testing would be to see if the Japan stage has glitches

[full raven]

I tend to destroy hacks on mu@romsets

If any of you have the rom, i could test it

[patent granite]

DM

[full raven]

I will spend the life of the neosd flashram for the science.

🤣

[patent granite]

https://tenor.com/view/science-no-gif-18573407

[full raven]

Cross fingers

[patent granite]

Lol

[full raven]

I'm sorry guys

This wont work

[patent granite]

I dont think the regular Neo SD has enough RAM, a Neo SD Pro will be necessary. Thank you for trying anyway GOEMON 🙂

[full raven]

You know... all my efforts are for the cycle accurate and the real feeling.

I need to buy a Darksoft

[patent granite]

Isnt Darksoft also 96mb RAM

[full raven]

But better than neosd

And faster

i wont play kof 98 AE never in my life

I suck at KOF, and I have low tolerance to hacks... so it's a bad combination.

hehe

[patent granite]

Its not so hard to learn

[full raven]

by the way

just a question

how you make to work the saturn core ?

i get no menu

[patent granite]

Rename the bios file, and it will boot again

Then load the bios file manually in OSD in core

[full raven]

no fpga menu

very strange

which name should I give ?

no OSD menu, yes

[forest bloom]

make sure you dont have a boot.rom

and then change to bios name to boot.bin and load it manually

[full raven]

i fixed it !

thank you !

it was the bios

yes

[limber atlas]

More neo geo fixes incoming!

In other news, seems like gyurco has made some changes to the mist version. https://github.com/gyurco/NeoGeo_FPGA/commit/dcdbb56cb9d5faa8b0db81cb430829edf040943e

[still gorge]

I don't know what they mean but I like fixes

[urban vector]

Nice to see Sorg going in so hard on a core

NG is one of the big draws for me when I originally took the jump and built my MiSTer, the core was solid before and great that we will have such a polished emulation soon

Keeping my fingers crossed Sorg will want to do similar work on the Amiga core and do the refactoring needed so CDTV and CD32 support can be added

[rough ingot]

Tbh Sorg was waiting for Furrtek to rewrite the NG core, witch Gyurco ended up doing.

So maybe if someone will do something similar for Amiga on mist it will happen

[urban vector]

Gyrgo already did on the MiST Amiga core to some degree, and was able to add in CD support

https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?p=76079#p76079

[willow girder]

Furr doesn’t like writing cores. He wants to be decap and trace only.

[urban vector]

But it can't be ported over to MiSTer

[willow girder]

Makes me a little concerned about the future of TMNT Arcade but beggars can’t be choosers

[urban vector]

I think someone is going to need to adopt that one, bring it into Main, and get it cleaned up. Is a shame it's lingering in half-released limbo

[still gorge]

Seems like JT is assisting with TMNT currently? Or did I misunderstand

[urban vector]

Will be a real shame if he spends over a year working on Super A'Can and nobody is interested in turning his work into a core

[willow girder]

I mean it’s his hobby so if he gets enjoyment from it cool! But I hear you.

Cool, looking forward to it!

[urban vector]

You sure about that? He hasn't mentioned it on his Twitter since he "released" it, is deep into Super A'Can work, and seemingly hasn't accepted a fix that JT pushed

Maybe I missed something

Well maybe he will, but he did say similar things about NG fixes and after what, 2-3 years he never got round to it so others have picked it up. I'm not going to hold my breath there, especially if he would rather being doing something else and seems pretty deep into his Super A'Can work

[ocean phoenix]

Sent you a message, not important but if you can let me know what you think.

[shy bane]

Unfortunately I agree. I suspect someone else will have to take on any TMNT fixes. Furrtek has stated publicly he doesn't like working on software, just decapping chips. I'm shocked he even worked on the TMNT core to begin with.

[hushed onyx]

what's unimplemented in tmnt?

[urban vector]

I don't know if anything is unimplemented, I think it more needs a few fixes and added to Main

[urban vector]

https://github.com/furrtek/Arcade-TMNT_MiSTer/issues

[hushed onyx]

not bad

[shy bane]

10 open issues and no activity at all since release except for JT, which hasn't been merged. 😦

[rough ingot]

Isnt jotegos upcoming simpsons core based on tmnt? You would think some findings could be ported to tmnt?

[shy bane]

Or JT's core could be delayed until the TMNT issues are fixed.

[rough ingot]

It looks to be releasing friday. I assume in closed beta though

[urban vector]

That would be pretty impressive, I assumed he would have a load more to do on that one

[limber atlas]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer/commit/aa5d78309aa5a1456a410070eeb346eaabc331ec

@urban vector

You got your VLiner support

[urban vector]

Oh wow! I am amazed this actually added, looking forward to finally trying these later!

[forest bloom]

5 minsutes later you will never play them again

[full raven]

those 2 games are not games.

[patent granite]

I hope we can find someone stupid enough to have paid for that bought a NeoSD Pro to test 98AE's graphical glitches on lol

[wary bronze]

Wait, NM... I wasn't dumb enough to buy the Pro 😄

[patent granite]

yeah the Pro is the one with 400 something megabytes of RAM lol

Darksoft and regular NeoSD have 96, plenty for any commercial game

[full raven]

I won't buy never again a Terraonion thing.

[patent granite]

Dont get me started on TO products, I was an early PC Engine SSD3 adopter lol

[full raven]

me too

[patent granite]

What a clusterfuck

[full raven]

and...

I still suffer it

[patent granite]

Had to buy a mod board and install it just to not have bad quality A/V output

There are are other valid reasons not to like that company that I cannot talk about here.

There is a reason I stopped asking for MD+ support in MiSTer.

[full raven]

are you from the other side of the Atlantic, Batty ?

[patent granite]

Im one of those filthy Americans

[full raven]

yes

but you, usa people, are not your imperialist government

people is good

so not filthy

well

[wary bronze]

With me makes three. Should we form a support group? 😅

[patent granite]

残念ながら、アメリカ人には別の言語を学ぶ余裕がありません

[full raven]

if you are from USA

you have difficult access to RGB SCART

AV and S-VIDEO

but RGB output in SSDS3 is SHIT too

[patent granite]

Growing up in different regions in the 80s and 90s:

USA: 60hz video, good for Japanese games. Monkey's paw: Mostly RF or composite video connections.

Europe: RGB over SCART/SECAM since 1980. Monkeys paw: 50hz, bad for Japanese games

[full raven]

Pronto acabaréis hablando español. Recuperaremos lo que era nuestro, almenos lingüísticamente hablando. 😉

Yes... PAL gaming is really terrible

well

when I was a kid, or a young boy... I didn't care

[wary bronze]

RF = superior to all

[full raven]

because I really didn't know about NTSC

we, here didn't know about these things

we started to know about these things with the PSX and the SSaturn

I had my SEGA MEGADRIVE PAL VERSION

and SONIC

SLOW MUSIC VERSION

I got an USA Sega Genesis in a shop... It was 1996... then Playing SONIC became a religious experience.

[patent granite]

Mi espanol sería considerado de mala calidad para alguien de Espana. Similar al ingles americano para alguien de UK.

[patent granite]

Righteous Frequency

[full raven]

RF

I played my first Neogeo in PAL and RF

Not so much people can say they felt that extreme feeling.

[patent granite]

PAL regions had RF? Huh. Must have been a separate connector than SCART obviously. BNC?

[full raven]

no no no !

of course we had RF

the TV's had SCART and AV too

but the consoles here were sold with RF cables

the cable incluided was the RF

France was different

France had SCART for consumer video devices by default

Spain not

in fact, Sega Master System 2 from France had AV Multi out.

France was SECAM, not PAL. 50hz and same resolution with PAL, but different color encode.

[patent granite]

So did the French NES.

But uhh.. yeah its just composite transcoded to RGB lol

[full raven]

no no, French Master System 2 has RGB

French NES is AV to SCART

not RGB

[patent granite]

Yes Im aware

Well

Actually it is "RGB" in the technical sense that it is RGBS.. it is just transcoded from the PPU's composite output which makes it pointless

[full raven]

I have a friend that has a French NES.

it has its own cable

[slow urchin]

you was lucky if you had a scart or phono video input on your tv back in the good old days in the UK, most of my gaming was done via rf, until mid psx life

[full raven]

I think it's the same connector with the RAM adapter of the Famicom Disk System

i'm not really sure

if it's not the same, very very simmilar

UK was same as Spain

[patent granite]

Yes it is very similar, and I think Nintendo modified this design later for the SNES/N64/Gamecube A/V connectors

[full raven]

Scart was not the standard of consumer video devices

it was optional

[patent granite]

PAL region people are teaching me a lot today, this is interesting..

[full raven]

only France had this privilege

le cable Péritel.

and they had PC engine imported from japan

and we had Turbografx 16 PAL... not fair

The first PAL console that came with SCART cable by default was the Sega Saturn.

[full raven]

Playstation came with AV cables.

[slow urchin]

wasnt the release psx rf ?

[patent granite]

Was SCART a standard input supplied on most CRTs or did this vary by region?

[full raven]

the TV's had SCART

in the 90s, all tvs had SCART

[patent granite]

So in the 80s, SCART was non-standard?

[slow urchin]

depends in europe where you were

[full raven]

the good thing about SCART and RGB

if you connect an NTSC console to a PAL TV with SCART. It will show color.

[patent granite]

So we have established: The idea that all PAL region gamers were gaming in RGB in the 80s and 90s is a myth

[full raven]

predefined color and aspect perfect

[slow urchin]

not all tvs had rgb scart either, some were composhite via scart

[full raven]

Batty, only france had this privilege.

yes Terminator2k2

there were tv's with scart and no RGB

[slow urchin]

scart was called the euro connector on most early uk tvs

[full raven]

here same

Euroconector

[patent granite]

What a tangled mess of cables, and signals this situation is 😏

[full raven]

the VHS video connected through Euro Connector.

[slow urchin]

ive known people super glue scart cables in their tvs to stop them dropping out

[full raven]

but the console by RF

LOL

The SCART connector is problematic

cold solder points by movement, inserting.

a lot of pins, and a pin method that sometimes fails depending on cables and bad quality connectors.

[patent granite]

SCART is a mixed bag for me.. it is not great unless the connector is high quality. But good luck finding ones made with those higher quality connectors for a decent price.

Deal with it long enough, and maybe you'd end up like me and switching to 6 RCA or BNC

[full raven]

they should be used a DB25 or something like that

not that connector SCART uses

so Batty... in the end of 80's to the middle of 90's in Europe, almost everybody played RF

in EUROPE

[patent granite]

The last straw for me was ordering an expensive Thor SCART switch from Europe and it died within a week

[patent granite]

https://tenor.com/view/the-more-you-know-gif-26317296

[full raven]

OH YEAH

[patent granite]

https://tenor.com/view/kool-aid-man-kool-aid-juice-gif-8291586

[urban vector]

Hmm, Jockey Grand Prix and V-Liner aren't loading for me, anyone get these two loading on the latest unstable?

[slow urchin]

working ok here, .neo jocky but couldnt get vliner.neo working , came up with ram error, so used darksoft version for vliner

[gritty compass]

I appreciate this lol

[urban vector]

That's odd the versions in the htgdb MiSTer pack aren't loading for me, will download Darksoft set

[slow urchin]

i got jocky from the LunaGarlic set on archive

[austere nymph]

Have you update romset.xml ?

[urban vector]

Ah, no, unless update all is already updating that - I assumed it grabbed the latest automatically, is there a lag?

There are the ones I have tried from the MiSTer pack:
Jockey Grandprix (jockeygp).neo
Jockey Grandprix (set 2) (jockeygpa).neo
V-Liner (set 1) (vliner).neo
V-Liner (set 2) (vlinero).neo

Where can I find the latest romset.xml?

[austere nymph]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NeoGeo_MiSTer/blob/master/releases/romsets.xml

[urban vector]

Even after updating both JGP just have a black screen, while V-Liner has SRAM ERROR

[patent granite]

I don't mean to be that person but are these titles really all that imp-

...

https://tenor.com/view/randy-vazquez-randy-vasquez-oh-no-disgusted-holding-back-gif-25218662

[austere nymph]

Have you update main mister and the core ?

[urban vector]

Oh, I didn't realise you needed to update Main as well, that will be it

-as in use an unstable main? I am using latest official release of Main

Ah yeah, can see there is an unstable Main as well. I can't check that without taking out the SD which I can't do just now (the renaming trick over filezilla doesn't work on my set up for some reason,)

[austere nymph]

👍

[limber atlas]

Is it only me or do I see some graphical glitches top part of Metal Slug 2?

Happens during scrolling

And straight after selecting character

Latest unstable

Ok seems to happen to the released core version as well

[urban vector]

With latest unstable JGP and V-Liner both load to config menus but can't see any way to progress into play

[limber atlas]

Can someone verify this on real hardware

Happens in MAME

[urban vector]

This AES/MVS ,or NGCD, Metal Slug 2?

[limber atlas]

Mvs/aes

[urban vector]

White pixels appearing in the sky?

[limber atlas]

Yeah

This may be normal behavior since it happens in CD as well

[urban vector]

Interesting, worth getting confirmed to be sure

[shy bane]

I have a NeoSD Pro and Omega CMVS. What is it you need tested exactly?

[forest bloom]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NeoGeo_MiSTer/issues/188

[patent granite]

Specifically the King of Fighters 98 AE Rom hack needs to be tested on real hardware. It is already known that sound does not work correctly: What we are testing is if there are graphical glitches on the Japan stage.

[forest bloom]

some sound glitches apparently

[patent granite]

No.

Graphical glitches on Japan stage.

I have the necessary file, I can DM it.

[shy bane]

Not sure if I have that ROM hack. Can someone DM the Neo file and steps to reproduce?

[patent granite]

Ill do so.

[urban vector]

Can anyone on latest unstables main and core get past the config screens on V-LINER and Jockey Grand Prix with the .neo files? Could be user error my end, but can't find any way to progress into the games

[patent granite]

Some testing for Japan stage in KOF98AE/UM on NeoSD Pro hopefully this evening.

If it occurs on real hardware, I think its fair to close the issue on github. If it does not, and is a MiSTer specific issue perhaps it can be resolved.

[full raven]

white pixels at the top of metal slug

are

normal

metal slug 2

don't panic !

this core is a NEOGEO

[limber atlas]

I’m still waiting for the confirmation about art of fighting 3 as well🤣

[full raven]

what happen now with aof3

you are gonna kill me, toya !

😄

listen to me... I have an AES there in my cave... I always play in AES mode in MiSTer FPGA.

they behave exactly the same

make the same effects

they work at the same time

never desyncronize

[limber atlas]

Yeah but apparently the issue is on MVS

And not AES

[full raven]

I don't have MVS anymore

if I had I would try. It's true that MVS and AES have different syncs

AES can work at 59.60 or 60.1 hz

depending the model

my model and the mister fpga aes mode work 59,60

mvs works 59.20

there are differences in performance

small difference, but there are changes

an exemple is the HOW TO PLAY in KOF 97

in MVS it has slowdowns, in AES doesn't

it's true

it happens in the real hardwares

it happens in mister

[limber atlas]

Right

[full raven]

I don't have an MVS anymore... I would love to test, but i can't

But as I have played AES from 1994

this core behaves like an AES

[limber atlas]

Yeah so if @shy bane can verify kof98ae/um then maybe they can check art of fighting 3

[full raven]

I had MVS for many years, and I know the system too, and I feel the MiSTer works well

but

I can't test it sadly

if Tmali can do it... we will be sure that everyting is ok

I think, really, everything is ok

but we need that last confirmation

really

I made FREAKING TESTS

same game, aes plus mister

same reset

2 hours working

no desync

Try the HOW TO PLAY in KOF 97

MVS then in AES

you will feel the difference

there are other games that have this behaviour

[willow girder]

Mister core used to behave like MVS but there were too many sync issues so it was changed to sync like AES a couple of years ago. Supposedly the MVS timings are still in there somewhere but I have less issues with AES sync so I’ve never bothered to look for MVS timings to test.

Here’s an old discussion from CG discord

[patent granite]

Could this be a toggle implemented in the OSD? Might be worth opening an issue on github for.

[wary bronze]

I thought the 60hz switch request was denied? There used to be (still is?) a 60hz adjusted core because of this.

[full raven]

I only use it in AES mode

It works at 59,60 in the AES mode.

[willow girder]

60Hz was denied. The discussion is more about 59.18hz (MVS and early AES) and 59.6hz (later AES)

[wary bronze]

Got it. Thanks!

[willow girder]

Last I remember, the core is supposed to be MVS timing if it’s in MVS mode, but I’ve never tried it. Would probably be simple to check since OSD can show you the refresh rate.

Confirmed

[ocean phoenix]

Random thought, there was a modified version of a previous Neo Geo core release that had modified Mhz speeds:

https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?p=59591#p59591

Seems like there was a related PR to add that as an option?

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NeoGeo_MiSTer/pull/179

Would be nice to see if that can be revisited once the Neo Geo core is stable and Sorg/Paulb-nl are satisfied.

[patent granite]

That modded core has very crude turbo implementation. It is useful for one Metal Slug game

Try it on anything else and its glitch gremlin graphics city

A seasoned dev will need to try to implement it better IMO

[ocean phoenix]

Ah got it, thanks for explaining it.

Probably not worth keeping it around on my system then.

[patent granite]

It is if you want to play Metal Slug 2(I think) with slowdown reduced

[willow girder]

Some Sam Sho games benefit as well

It’s basically a 20-ish% OC to the 68000

I’ve not tried that hack but I assume it’s mimicking the processor OC that was popular on real hardware.

[patent granite]

wickerwacka did turbo on M92 quite effectively. If sorg or paul dont want to maybe he can.

[still gorge]

would be awesome if a more robust turbo could be added

[ocean phoenix]

@wary bronze sorry to bug ya but how do I access the unibios settings in the cd menu?

[still gorge]

start and select

[fringe ingot]

As I understand it if you overclock real hardware in that way most games still get garbled, depending on how the affected games are actually programmed there might not be too much you can do about it if they are (accidentally or otherwise) relying on a certain clock speed

[wary bronze]

@still gorge got you covered, dude.

[ocean phoenix]

Thanks for your help earlier! I’ve got all these games loading with 4X! I’ve had so many problems with this core, and obviously those were my fault, but I appreciate someone walking me through it.

My brain shuts off when it comes to NeoGeo. It’s just filled with this song instead - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_kGJBv6Wr4

[still gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/ninja-disappear-vanish-gif-13539300

[wary bronze]

Neo Geo is life! Glad you're in the fold now. 🙂

[patent granite]

Art of Fighting 3 on Neo CD kinda stinks ngl.

But.. it does have actual endings for the bosses so there is that.

[wary bronze]

NGCD is a machine of trade offs.

Just imagine how good AOF3 on the Saturn could've been, @patent granite 😔

[ocean phoenix]

Figured it out, it’s [select] on the cd menu. Press any button during boot animations to access it.

Change settings then press [C] to save. Then press core menu to save that for the game.

[patent granite]

Just play it on the AOF Collection on PS2. No load times, clean 240p output, arranged music.

[wary bronze]

This process should probably get documented and pinned to this channel. Everyone gets tripped up by it.

[wary bronze]

Tis true!

[ocean phoenix]

Anyone want to write it so I can pin your post? Or should I write it?

Interestingly setting my system to CDZ in the unibios menu breaks game loading for me. Too loader is fine though.

[willow girder]

Remember the star board? Robby you should bring the star board back.

[ocean phoenix]

What’s a starboard and how I can help you, sir

I vaguely remember it

[willow girder]

Comments that users wanted pinned or highlighted would be emoted with a ⭐️ by the users. Enough stars and the comment would go to the star board. It was probably abused like all nice things lol

It would be the Kwest64 board now lol

[ocean phoenix]

I wonder if there’s a happy medium. Comments can be starred and it’s up to a mod to pin it. So it can’t be abused and community has an active say in what should be pinned.

I’m going to start a feedback list. Everyone has lots of good ideas.

Thank you very much @willow girder

[patent granite]

Wow it really is word banned

Thats awesome.

[ocean phoenix]

what is

[patent granite]

I cant type any variation

lol

[patent granite]

Beautiful.

Chex Quest sixty four

there

[ocean phoenix]

I’ve been cursed with the ability to say the forbidden game

Quest 64

This is my doing so I must bear the mark

[patent granite]

The mark of sin is upon you

[wary bronze]

Robby bears the mark of the beast

[mighty scaffold]

It is blocked even if you use Unicode math symbols haha

[shy bane]

Ok so NeoSD Pro does not like that hack at all. It's totally unplayable due to severe graphical glitches. Audio isn't right either.

[patent granite]

Really.. huh.

I mean it could be the .neo isnt built correctly fo the flash cart

[shy bane]

Yeah

[patent granite]

Let me see if I can build one myself

I wish these tools worked better

The tools are just crashing. Im not really sure how to build this hack correctly into a .neo

Sorg probably could but he is anti discord, I don't know how to discuss it with him without bringing up ROMs in spaces where that isnt kosher

[urban vector]

You could message him direct on the forum, he actively reads those messages

[still gorge]

awww it's just three 9's he's fine

[full raven]

Same with neosd standard.

[patent granite]

There might be a problem with the build. I put out a public call on github for assistance because quite frankly the .neo creation tools are not good at all.

[flat shard]

I wanted to create a new romset xml based upon FBN (most up-to-date set) but I don't know what these offset/length properties are in the romsets.xml
Like in the gog-romsets.xml:
<file name="../samsho2/063-p1-kan.p1" index="4" offset="0x100000" length="0x100000"/>

[austere nymph]

You have some informations on the code of FBNeo
https://github.com/finalburnneo/FBNeo/blob/2bda5dcf3a51a25bb332eafc73159ae199323b1f/src/burn/drv/neogeo/d_neogeo.cpp#L5127

[pallid jacinth]

static struct BurnRomInfo samsho2RomDesc[] = {

[flat shard]

Thanks!

Very interesting, especially because the first offset I verified is different in there compared to the gog-romsets.xml (checked the P1 offset of samsho2)

<romset name="samsho2" pcm="1" altname="Samurai Shodown II" publisher="SNK" year="1994">
<file name="063-p1.p1" index="4" offset="0x100000" length="0x100000"/>
<file name="063-p1.p1" index="6" offset="0x000000" length="0x100000"/>

static struct BurnRomInfo samsho2RomDesc[] = {
{ "063-p1.p1", 0x200000, 0x22368892, 1 | BRF_ESS | BRF_PRG }, // 0 68K code / TC5316200

[limber atlas]

Have you asked the people over at Terraonion about tool that they use?

[full raven]

I don't think they would help so much

do you know the firmware of their devices is PER SERIAL NUMBER ?

[patent granite]

Sorg has contacted me and claims VROMA is oversized, so it probably wont work

[limber atlas]

Make sure to use the latest unstable main as well

There is a script that downloads unstable builds of cores

And puts them in a separate _Unstable folder

If you remove exit in line 75, then it will also update main to latest unstable main

[patent granite]

I misspoke, there was a communication issue

But I have a .neo built to give to Tmali by Sorg now

[full raven]

going to play densha de go, shinkooooo

[limber atlas]

@urban vector I got vliner and jockey grandprix to work

[urban vector]

How did you get past the config screens?

[limber atlas]

Press ABC button

A goes down and B goes up

I lied

Go down to exit and press C

[urban vector]

I set up buttons and tried everything I could and couldn't get beyond the config screen on both of them

Thanks, Will try again when next home

[limber atlas]

Now I’m here

[urban vector]

Yeah that is where I got stuck

[limber atlas]

Press coin button

And then C

Then you come here

Press coin button

Then press B button

Until it spins

Tried both darksoft and .neo and it works

[urban vector]

Good stuff

[limber atlas]

Nice horse animation in grandprix

[urban vector]

Yeah, have heard that it has the best graphics on the system and pushed the limits. Shame it was for a horse racing simulator

[austere nymph]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NeoGeo_MiSTer/pull/206

[limber atlas]

We are almost zero issues

[spiral cloak]

lotta NG fixes rolling, nice

Are they all CD specific or are some of these lingering MVS/AES issues?

[bitter spire]

Mostly MVS/AES, though the CD side also got some updates too.

[spiral cloak]

Cool beans

[haughty veldt]

I prefer warm beans, but to each their own.

In all seriousness, it's been great to see all these updates rolling through here. Love Neo Geo so much!

[still gorge]

this is actually nuts

And one of the three issues is just discussing .neo conversion

[wary bronze]

So awesome. Thank you so much to all the devs working on this!

[fallen beacon]

wow, that is crazy

would definitely be nice for someone to run through all the cores and clean up all stale issues, some of the cores have 100s and are 2+ years old

[full raven]

megadora core needs a revision

[limber atlas]

@patent granite what was the conclusion about kof?

[limber atlas]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NeoGeo_MiSTer/issues/207

Can someone confirm with real hardware

[full raven]

It is normal

It is not a clean sound

[flat shard]

https://wiki.terraonion.com/index.php/Neobuilder_Guide

[limber atlas]

Oh in order to download the tool you have to register your device lol

[slow urchin]

you can get it from stoneage gamer i think

https://stoneagegamer.com/neosd-downloads.html#neobuilder

[candid orbit]

still 1.06 2017 version from that link

[limber atlas]

Are there any major differences between the versions?

[candid orbit]

from my memory that tool need specific version of Mame roms (not the last ones)...maybe need a double check

because checking crc so what is the point Vs current builded .neo pack

[limber atlas]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NeoGeo_MiSTer/issues/177

[candid orbit]

yes but I mean why this tool would be better than the ones on the current readme regarding my comment. For me we need a tool that is able to convert any neogeo rom to .neo which it was not the case of that one. Correct me If I am wrong of course, I have not retry it for a long time.

oops looks like I am wrong and writting shit 🙂

just tried a random mame neogeo file and it works

[hushed onyx]

encrytped metal slug games and some others wont work in mame format

[south cloud]

Is it possible to convert Darksoft games into .neo format directly with a converter/script ?
I want to convert my version of Xeno Crisis (with stereo sound) which was provided by the publisher only in Darksoft format.
The .neo file provided officially is dual mono only.

[hushed onyx]

.neo format cant support that games strereo

it's a limitation o fthe format

[south cloud]

I didn't know if it was a core limitation before the recent changes or directly with the .neo format.
Ok, thanks for the quick reply, so I'm leaving it in Darksoft format.

[patent granite]

I greatly look forward to the forthcoming ZX Spectrum port of Xeno Crisis.

[limber atlas]

@full raven is this still a problem?

Else we need to create issue about this

[urban vector]

I thought AES and MVS were mono only?

[hushed onyx]

they are not

some of the boards only were designed to output mono, but like the MV1C for instance could be modded to properly output the stereo

some boards did stereo by default and had the correct output already

[patent granite]

MVS outputs the stereo channel over a JAMMA pin that otherwise is voltage.

Tons of fun if you have a supergun with a MVS stereo switch as forgetting can fry your regular mono JAMMA pcb.

wears pointy hat

[plucky stag]

AES gets stereo out of the headphone jack

[full raven]

Hi Toya, they are still small problems

I think they are the last problems, and they are insignificant

[full raven]

Yes, AES outputs Stereo from Headphone jacks

NGCD has stereo in separated AV output.

[bitter spire]

Noticing the unstable builds are slowing down now. Is there plans on promoting the core and main to an official build soon?

[full raven]

what slowdowns ?

[hushed onyx]

I have no doubt sorg will release it when he's done testing and fixing

after that many changes he'll surely do a release when the changes are done

[candid orbit]

what an awesome work on that fabulous core !

[bitter spire]

oh never mind i suck shit

[ocean phoenix]

Did someone say Samurai Spirits RPG doesn’t load with 4x?

[gritty yoke]

Samurai shodown 3 problem in digital output, on crt looks fine

[haughty veldt]

Yes, you need to set it to 2x or 1x.

Go with 1x for maximum masochism.

[ocean phoenix]

I’ve got good news. If you wait 30s after the bios disappears, the disc loading menu appears and the game plays fine.

I’ve got bad news. If you select new game then you get a pretty cool looking Exception Error Handling screen.

[full raven]

I can't reproduce this. Which set pf the game ? NGMVS, NGAES ? Which configuration ? Using UNIBIOS ?

[full raven]

if you don't want to have problems with pads, select Joystick only.

there is not problem in my side

i have just seen a combat in demo mode, Ukyou VS Galford

Hdmi

AES, UNIBIOS and NTSC. I'm using this combination now

EURO-CONSOLE

[full raven]

darksoft set ? Neosd Set ¿

[gritty yoke]

@full raven

[full raven]

no way

it doesn't happen to me

[gritty yoke]

Ill try more than just this game

[austere nymph]

It is darksoft
Have you update main mister unstable and Romset.xml ?

[ocean phoenix]

#news message

https://tenor.com/view/shang-tsung-it-has-begun-windy-gif-12038108

[fringe ingot]

I'm almost scared to fire up the update script

[ocean phoenix]

You can do it. I believe in you.

You are strong of heart and swift of mind.

[still gorge]

Now we see if any more issues pop up