#SNK Neo Geo

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full raven
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the CD seeks in NGCD were malicious

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listening the lens going up to search the CD track

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fssssssssssssgr gr gr gr

ocean phoenix
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Oh gosh, I am so spoiled by modern transfer speeds lol

full raven
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real neogeo cd is an experience, a religious experience

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neogeo cd z has faster seek

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and runs double speed

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it loads just the half ot the time

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if neogeo cd loads in 25 secs, the cdz will load in 13.5 secs

green marten
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ok loading up some games onto the card for testing and capturing

full raven
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aprox

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in mister, if we got the cdz speed, we will get a nice load transfer.

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simmilar to saturn or maybe faster.

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Furrtek NeoCD SD Loader loads 80% faster than the og NGCD.

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more or less

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a 45 secs loading will be 10 secs aprox

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It uses the same CD block than the model 1 MegaCD

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the core is based in that

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and the furrtek neogeo core

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neogeo mvs/aes and cd are basically the same.

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but I think Furrtek's core does

green marten
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is unibios working now?

full raven
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no unibios, no cdz for now

green marten
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noted. Testing now

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and capturing

full raven
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CDZ uses another type of lens, and it's 2x. So ...

south cloud
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Just Samsho4, just to be sure that we have consistent reports between testers or not.
The problem seem to be with the announcer, the stages seem to be incorrectly named or missing samples.

full raven
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adpcm are broken

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yes

green marten
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Neo Turf Masters sounds great

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gotta stop playing Turf Masters...cant lose hours to it...

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I should have known better than to have started with it 😆

abstract birch
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give in to it..... feed the addition to be "on da gween!"

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Wasted my lunch hour on the Scotland course yesterday. Will likely repeat that pain today.

green marten
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haha I got out. Playing KOF 96 now

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are any games getting CDDA or no?

abstract birch
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that might be recorded on @urban vector 's worksheet

green marten
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Turf Masters had some audio in game music wise...but only on some holes

south cloud
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Andro Dunos (Unl) does have sound when I tested earlier.
EDIT : Okay, no CDDA.

green marten
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KOF 96 did not per my just now test'

full raven
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andro dunos is a mvs to cd conversion

green marten
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Neo Turf Masters mixed bag

full raven
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it uses audio chip

wind jasper
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I think Power Spikes 2 does

full raven
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video system games have partial audio cd

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windjammers too

green marten
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restarting core...Sam Sho gave an IO error

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then next game would not read

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looks like maybe the redump Sam Sho I grabbed isnt making the core happy

full raven
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there is unstability in cd core

green marten
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IV...would not boot

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3 IO error'd after character select loading

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I will retest 3 in a bit

full raven
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if you are sending data to the MiSter via FTP

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the errors are continous

green marten
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No. I drag and drop via USB to MicroSD

full raven
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maybe the image

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the core doesn't like so much the multitrack disks

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it preffers the ISO CUE, IMG

south cloud
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I'm using a full CHD set on my side.

green marten
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Super Spy works well. No CDDA

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just std sounds

full raven
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chd seems to work good

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i had to convert multitracks to iso img cue for get running certain games, like kof 98

green marten
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Pulstar IO error'd out too

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error 2

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worked fine on second attempt

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def still a "try again" situ

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Sam SHo 3 worked as well

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def sprite corruption on vs screen tho

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and a bit in game

bright magnet
green marten
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Twinkle Star Sprites works well, no CDDA but SFX

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SFX all sound good

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I have not had any issues with sound effects so far

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KOF 96
Super Spy
Pulstar
Sam Sho 3
Neo Turf Masters
Twinkle Star Sprites

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on those games

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Viewpoint works with CDDA sometimes

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dying either brings CDDA back...or gets rid of it. And in Viewpoint I die...a LOT

bright magnet
green marten
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RBFF 2 would not load. CD error. Probably file issues

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Metal SLug has some music

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Much improved performance

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ok that is my testing for the day!

green marten
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Now onto another Neo Geo platform lol

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full raven
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a quantum leap foward from last 17th February.

green marten
crimson rivet
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I don’t understand how it’s possible to beat Viewpoint w/out cheats. It’s the hardest game I’ve ever played since you have to restart the stage upon dying and the bosses are total bullet sponges

green marten
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esp with the...ahem...viewpoint

full raven
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it's damn difficult

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you can beat it by touching dip switch for 2 simultaneous players

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only MVS

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AES with unibios, or CD with Unibios or NEOCDSDLOADER.

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if you activate it, when you die, you appear inmediately

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not going back

crimson rivet
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You guys are doing great work on the NGCD testing. Massive kudos. It’s gonna be exciting when this library is fully playable👍

full raven
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we do all we can

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I think only one game is not working

lyric depot
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we do what we must because we can

full raven
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Last Blade 2

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but... for me, samurai rpg won't load.

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but it seems to load to other people

crimson rivet
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I love these surprise core releases. It’s so exciting. NGCD was a meme for years until now

full raven
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maybe my disk is not correct

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would be good if anybody could test this list :
Idol Mahjong
Art of Fighting
Art of Fighting 3
King of Monsters 2
Last Hope
Last Resort
Magical Drop 2
Quiz KOF
SS RPG
Samurai Shodown
Street Hoop
Sidekicks 1 and 2

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graphics and sound

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In addition would be great too :
Pleasure Goal
ADK world
FF 2
Over Top

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then we can confirm the fix layer is completely fixed

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make a revision of some of the games marked with 17th core, would be good too.

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I have no physical time

green marten
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what about metaphysical time?

south cloud
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Art of Fighting 3 and Magical Drop 2 work with bad ADPCM sound from my tests yesterday.

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And no CD sound.

full raven
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excellent

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do they have PSG ?

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the sounds of selecting items

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options and players

lyric depot
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i will test idol mahjong final romance 2

south cloud
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My setup isn't available for confirmation for the moment, kids are at home, enjoying some games on the NES core.
But from what I remember yesterday night, I heard the options sounds and selecting items on the two games.

full raven
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perfect !

south cloud
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I'm leaving for today, good luck everyone with the continuation on the tests.

full raven
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thanks Zet-Sensei

plucky stag
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I know one guy who has ever finished Viewpoint legit

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watching him play was wild

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and even then like, if you die on the wrong boss it's very hard to recover

lyric depot
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hmmmm

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getting a black screen on NGCD

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loading the cracked version of the rom works

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hmmmm

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i only get to the bios menu

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can’t load the game

ornate plover
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I've beaten viewpoint on one credit. It's not nearly as difficult as it seems at first.

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It's an incredibly consistent game. Once you learn what to do it's pretty straightforward.

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The game is very generous with bombs. It has a tendency of giving you a bomb once you've run out.

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So you can bomb through a lot of pressure points in the levels without being left empty handed for the bosses

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The real wall of the game is the level 4 boss. If you can beat him once you can beat him consistently. But he is really incredibly difficult to figure out and beat your first time.

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It's one of the hardest credit mashes out there though for sure. You can't fake your way through it.

gritty yoke
lyric depot
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?

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why would that change anything

gritty yoke
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because u subscribe the original one

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where is the original neogeo core?

lyric depot
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overwritten

gritty yoke
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yep u need it

lyric depot
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why? they’re completely seperate

gritty yoke
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I dont know, but that way the games run

lyric depot
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hmmm

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which bios do i need?

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yep, wrong bios

forest bloom
lyric depot
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eyyy there we go

forest bloom
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you have the Main Mister from the message board ?

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The dev posted it this afternoon to the message board

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Post by paulbnl » Fri Feb 24, 2023 1:16 pm

A new MiSTer Main is needed otherwise you will hear a lot of noise coming from your speakers 😄

Here is a updated one which also includes the changes from release 0223.

📎 MiSTer_neocd2.zip
lyric depot
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yep!

lyric depot
full raven
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But the game loads and can be played, right?

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No fx sounds

lyric depot
lyric depot
full raven
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Okk

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Another with soynd problems

nocturne storm
# full raven but... for me, samurai rpg won't load.

Here not working Samurai spirtis rpg too, I try 4 chd images, original, another original from other source, french translation and french translation patched for cdz, none working and of course last blade 2 not working too.the core progresses very well!

full raven
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i've discovered another problem with sound in neoturf masters

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if you select the full announcement voices in options... all breaks !

urban vector
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Sorry guys, been busy the last couple of days and have friends round tonight so not been able to do any testing on the new build. Goemon has put in a proper shift though

full raven
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I tried to do my best!

green marten
full raven
green marten
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I popped a couple tests up above. Maybe like 8 games who's info might be useful for the spreadsheet

full raven
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Hope we get these load times

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Or near

tepid plank
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if we want authentic recreation,it should load as the original,but maybe with an option to load faster

full raven
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Of course, as an option.

copper gull
green marten
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I should do a video showing the pile of hardware MiSTer handles since people still in some ways don't think FPGA is "worth the cost"

tepid plank
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hmm,while i own a MISTer

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but the meaning of this is recreate as accurate as possible,so load times also needs to be accurate,thats why i said maybe an option in the core to load games faster IF you want

tepid plank
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now neo geo cd is sloooow for loading games

pure pebble
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Well generally, mister dev focus on accuracy to a point. Personally, i want accuracy on important point (the game shall behave exactly as, input lag as close as possible as, ... on original hardware) with improve behaviour for the rest (clean video output, minimum no loading time, ...).

tepid plank
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its just out

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it will probably come when its more mature

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now its just get rid of bugs

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and get sound running

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i have a neo geo sdloader

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the loading of games is freaking fast

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i also have the drive still there,the difference is amazing

bitter plank
heady fractal
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Even with the speed that SD Loader provides, having those loading screens at every transition is a bit of a show stopper.

bitter plank
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I think I'd mostly play non-fighters on the CD core. Ones that have arranged OSTs.

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Sadly not all CD games have arranged soundtracks

full raven
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gowcaizer has an interesting one

bitter plank
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I used to own that on CD. I don't recall the game itself being good, lol

empty harness
full flower
austere nymph
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it is the dev working on the NeoGeo CD core Paulb-nl

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who posted it

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Samurai Spirit RPG have more music than the previous core

full flower
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Seems legit 🤔

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supple ice
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installed the new Mister file that was included in the zip. did a reboot and lost sync to my CRT and normal monitor.

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reinstalled an older mister file and everything worked again.

austere nymph
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the new mister main contains the update of 23/02 with new parameter on mister.ini

supple ice
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i have that installed already. ill double check 😛

merry ivy
bright magnet
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The new build has consistent CDDA playing in XenoCrisis now.

full raven
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Magic

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Please, test games with adpcm problems and check@if they are working now

bright magnet
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Samples in Metal Slug are still odd

forest bloom
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A new MiSTer Main is needed otherwise you will hear a lot of noise coming from your speakers 😄

Here is a updated one which also includes the changes from release 0223.

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thats for the developer

austere nymph
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For information, the Mister main posted on the forum is based on release 0223 with changes for NeoGeoCD

green marten
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Fun stuff

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I’ll have to get some captures off it

full raven
green marten
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I had a decent amount of CDDA audio yesterday including Pulstar

merry ivy
fierce sorrel
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Hi, i can't configure... black screen and no load

bright magnet
full raven
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I'll test at home later

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Full cd audio us a very nice step

south cloud
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I will test also later at home.

austere nymph
full raven
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there are advances

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the raster effect is almost repaired

opal sand
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I take it the framework (YC) isn't updated in the core yet?

austere nymph
opal sand
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Oh cool 😎

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I know main was, the core didn't seem to be last time, I'll check it out

austere nymph
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I checked again the dev updated his changes from the 23/02 version

image.png
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so normally YC will work

full raven
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if anybody can test a lil bit ?

opal sand
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Looking good (PAL 60). PAL on the other hand is really off, though I do wonder if the clocks are accurate to NCD yet vs AES/MVS @quiet badge

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I haven't looked at it at all so wouldn't know where Paul is with it, I do know NCD had a different master clock though. Not tested regular neo geo PAL yet

full raven
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almost 81 games are working

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not bad

wintry saddle
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Updated Mister main but the games crash whenever they (supposedly) start playing cdda. Any Ideas what could be?

gilded arrow
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Hi! NeoGeo_cd_20230226.rbf + updated Mister installed but black screen when I try to load games

austere nymph
south cloud
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Most of the games are playable now from my tests : just Last Blade II and Samurai Spirits RPG fail to load after some initial loading time.
Samsho RPG going to the menus and some music now, we could watch the intro too.

Some missing raster effects on other games, some ADPCM sounds broken on specific games otherwise.

Just leaving it here : I had a disc error I/O just before a fight with Bakumatsu Roman / The Last Blade.
First game I loaded on the core, on my second fight during a first playthrough (Story Mode): Moriya VS Jizou.
After about 25% loaded on the final loading screen just before the fight, I had that error coming from the BIOS and the system rebooted itself after pressing a button.
But I can't reproduce it anymore, even after some other tries.
So maybe a false positive, but I prefer to leave it written somewhere just in case the error could happen once more later.

Redoing the whole CHD set from scratch with CHDMAN v0.252 will improve the situation.

copper gull
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Crossed Swords 2, Completed on core 26_02_2023 , I don't know about effects but from beginning to end without apparent problems and I found the loading to be fast, but I can't compare it with the original hardware.

wind jasper
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Shinsetsu Samurai Spirits Bushidouretsuden is working for me on newest build.

shy bane
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I’m coming in a bit late on this core and have a couple questions. Is there a way to have it show as a separate entry in the OSD, eg Neo Geo CD? Should you create a separate NGCD folder with all the games as sub folders or just put the games into the main Neogeo folder? Thanks 😊

fossil root
wind jasper
gilded arrow
austere nymph
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and a restart on the mister is required after this change

wind jasper
lofty coral
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Does paulb-nl have a patreon?

fierce sorrel
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@austere nymph which files do i need to load chd files? It won't boot up

austere nymph
fierce sorrel
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@austere nymph thanks, which route exactly??

austere nymph
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You need to delete it

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and copy the new one on the zip file

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restart your mister

fierce sorrel
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I have no media/fat folder

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Shall I create it?

austere nymph
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you normally have it.

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If you don't know where is this directory it is better to wait update all to get it

fierce sorrel
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Here?

austere nymph
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Yes it is here

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you have the file MiSTer above MiSTer.ini file

fierce sorrel
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Bingoooo

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Thaaaaanksssss

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👏🏻

austere nymph
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have fun 🙂

fierce sorrel
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@austere nymph thanks for helping me!

reef juniper
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bios

gilded arrow
urban vector
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If you have the latest version of MiSTer main from Paul, if you run update script does it overwrite with the official version still?

south cloud
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I've just tested and the version from Paul isn't overwritten at all.

urban vector
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That's ace, maybe it checks the date rather than if the file is a different size

shy bane
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<mistergamedescription>
<rbf>_Console/NeoGeo</rbf>
<setname>NeoGeoCD</setname>
</mistergamedescription>

urban vector
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Once the updated core is live in main someone will set up an MGL I am sure

shy bane
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So for now it's best not to save settings since they would overwrite your AES/MVS settings?

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like defaulting to CD for example

wind jasper
# shy bane Would this work for the MGL file?

for the rbf tag, set that to whatever your cd core file rbf is named, ignoring the date code. Setname is the folder you want to keep your roms in. Folder and filenames are case sensitive. I named mine NeoGeoCD and my roms and bios are in the NeoGeoCD folder

shy bane
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<mistergamedescription>
<rbf>_Console/NeoGeo/NeoGeo_CD</rbf>
<setname>NeoGeoCD</setname>
</mistergamedescription>

wind jasper
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As long as your cd core is named NeoGeo_CD and your roms are in the folder named NeoGeoCD, then yes that should work.

shy bane
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Cool thank you. Bios files, etc still go in NeoGeo correct?

forest bloom
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yes

shy bane
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Gotcha. And with this I can save default setting specific to the CD vs AES/MVS?

forest bloom
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I wouldnt save any options

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the setting strings may change at any time

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and then your bad config could cause issues

shy bane
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I was just thinking to make the default CD. no other changes

wind jasper
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Yea. thats what I did.

forest bloom
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while the core is Beta I wouldnt but if you do be prepared to reset the settings and save them when a new core comes out

shy bane
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ok thanks again 🙂

wind jasper
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no problem

full raven
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I updated the list. Very good results

austere nymph
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yes 80/104 are playable 🙂

shy bane
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nice

full raven
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more

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but

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small sound issues

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almost all games can be played

shy bane
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does the CDZ bios work now?

bright magnet
full raven
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it works on the core

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perfect

shy bane
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That patch requires the TOSEC version of the game files. How'd you convert it from iso/wav to bin/cue for use with the core?

full raven
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use img burn

shy bane
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you burned to disc then ripped it?

full raven
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the image in wav

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with daemon tools

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and image burn

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you can make a 2 files iso

shy bane
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oh i see. thanks

full raven
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BIN CUE

gilded karma
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I cannot hear any cdda musics, tried Samurai Spirits and Viewpoint. Maybe the problem is that I am using .chd images?

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I made sure to have latest core and correct MiSTer Main

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The games play fine, just no cd audio music.

urban vector
wind jasper
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Samurai Showdown is listed as unplayable but it's working for me on the 2-26 build.

full raven
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Samsho rpg is misterious

wind jasper
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Lol. Ok, Got it.

full raven
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which iso did you use ?

wind jasper
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I used the redump.

full raven
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No results

wind jasper
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The character select screen has garbled graphics, but if you turn off FIX layer it clears it up

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I can record a video with my phone if that's helpful at all.

ocean phoenix
urban vector
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That's interesting if the redump set works, I'm using a different .chd set so will see if I can grab the files that aren't working in our testing and try the redump versions

full raven
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i tried the redump chd and nothing

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the redump iso bin

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nothingç

urban vector
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Ah, so no difference? Interesting people getting different results on that one

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Probably not worth us getting hung up on, Paul will be looking at fixing it some point soon. May be fine in the next build that drops

austere nymph
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it worked on the previous test version

full raven
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chd files tend to load with audio problems

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the first time

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the ISO BIN and others doesn't

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but there are ISO BIN that have audio problems

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reloading the CHD usually fixes the problem

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CHD give extra problems

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All my tests were with iso bin

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And now im getting audio problems

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With chd

full raven
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I added notes in the compatibility list for Paul.

bright magnet
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You're right - I confirmed with the Metal Slug issue I reported the other day. If I convert that .chd to bin/cue, the weapon pickup sounds are correct.

urban vector
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Hmm, that's worrying

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Did we see any issues like that with .chd files in other cores?

wind jasper
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I had some problems with chd files when testing the psx core. Since then I try to always use redump bin/cue if available. I think the chd issues were eventually ironed out in the psx core.

forest bloom
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only issues were with running the cd faster than the PSX where the decode of the CHD couldnt be completed in time

wind jasper
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No I had some games that would hang and give errors with chd. Some others did not

forest bloom
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I didnt experience that

bright magnet
forest bloom
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I was using the redump CHD though

wind jasper
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Same here. People kept helping to figure the issues out because nobody else was having them. Ended up just keeping the bin/cue and it worked. Lol.

austere nymph
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It maybe too early to say if there is flaw on CHD side or core side.
First time we have CHD working at the first test version.
Are CHDs on megacd are also impacted by some new issues using the neogeocd mister main ?

full raven
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the core has a problem with the handle of ADPCM and sound in certain cases, but CHD provoque aditional problems

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I never used the CHD files before. But thinking about space and testing NG I downloaded some. And I could notice this problem.

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Because some people talking about certain problems that I didn't had in any way... So it was strange.

forest bloom
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the best way to test would be to make a CHD from your bin/cue

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and test that CHD

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chdman createcd -i "input file.cue" -o "output file.chd"

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then at least we know you are testing the "Same" version

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and if the issue is still seen its a CHD handling issue

full raven
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the ones i have in my neocdsdloader are the redump ones

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I downloaded the redump CHD files

forest bloom
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yes but to be certain its CHD we need to convert your bin/cue

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not use someone elses where we dont know what created it

full raven
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how can i do that ?

forest bloom
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I linked the command in my previous answer

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its really easy

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its non destructive

full raven
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but which program do I need to download for do that process ?

forest bloom
full raven
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chdman

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is the name

forest bloom
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.exe yes

full raven
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ok, i'll try to do this...

forest bloom
full raven
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will test kof 95. it always fail

forest bloom
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The Mame version is the official release. Dont use the ones lying around on emulator sites

full raven
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so

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i have to download MAME

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then, mame has this program ?

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I'm sorry

forest bloom
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yes and get the file from there

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so the mame will be a self extracting archive

full raven
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I'm not used to these things

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ok

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i'm downloading

forest bloom
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if you trust me thats from the latest release

full raven
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ok

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let's test convert

bright magnet
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In case it matters the chdman I used for my test was from mame 240. Source was the redump chd to bin/cue. Just tried turfmasters and get a similar result to MSlug (the voice samples that are incorrect with the chd are correct in the converted bin/cue)

flat shard
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There is a specific format for the CD if I remember correctly.

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Specific mode to be used

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Not sure if redump is correct but can be converted to correct format, there was this issue with the format when FBA implemented NEOGEOCD emulation.

full raven
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converting

flat shard
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MODE1/2352 with Cdimage I think

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Found my notes for CDImage
File > Open > select your iso
File > Save As > write the name of your new file
Make sure you select MODE1/2352 in the second drop-down
Press OK, wait for the process to finish, and it’s done !

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The result is a cue and a single bin file.

full raven
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my chd works

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so this pack is in bad conditions

forest bloom
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so it looks like the CHD pack wasnt done right

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and we have proved the CHD code in the Neo core is good

wind jasper
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Nice

forest bloom
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Chadmaster uploaded the CHD set of redump to a certain archive site I cant link

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did you use that pack ?

full raven
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archive

forest bloom
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sent pm

full raven
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do conversion one by one is inferno

static imp
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Hi, I am using the latest mister main and the neogeo cd rbf from this thread. I get black screen after booting kof 99

forest bloom
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do you have the bios ?

static imp
bright magnet
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@full raven There may be another Neo Turf Masters issue similar to another in your sheet? - I have an issue where from the main menu, you go to "Options" and then choose "Exit" it returns to the BIOS cd player

full raven
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I didn't have this issue

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but maybe I should check it again

wind jasper
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I'm not having that one either

full raven
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I'm not having this problem

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I've to say that this core is extremely sensitive to the loading

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if you are sending something by ftp, the load will fail or errors will come to graphics

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for testing is important to not doing transfering

shy bane
full raven
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the CHD still not working perfect

gilded arrow
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Hi there! Launching CHD or bin + Cue from CIFS - Samba HD on the same Ethernet Local network, that works very well with other cores, makes often the core produce an I/O Error on the disk, is it the same for you?

gilded arrow
full raven
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well

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seems that this core has a very high sensibility in the cd reading

mighty scaffold
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240p Test Suite for Neo Geo MVS, AES and NGCD

coral mortar
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I must be missing something or just going stupid, but why is it when I open any of the Neo Geo cores (even the normal, stable one) it only gives me an option to open an ISO/BIN file? I've scanned through mister.ini and any folders that could cause this, but can't see anything unusual. And yeah, System Type is set to AES. But there's still an option in the MiSTer menu to open or close the CD lid.

merry ivy
coral mortar
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Same options if I use the latest stable, NeoGeo_20230223

urban vector
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I think your best bet is to delete every version of the core and start again, also I would advice not putting the unstable core in the Consoles folder with the released version of the core, keep it in Unstable folder to avoid confusion. That version you are loading is a month out of date as well.

dawn pendant
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I had the same issue. If you go back into your unstable NeoGeoCD core and change system type back to MVS, then everything works again in the normal NeoGeo core.

full flower
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It seems if u save setings in nightly u mess the stable.

ocean phoenix
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Delete config file in the config folder too

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Same name as core rbf

rain horizon
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Best thing is put it in a separate folder make a mgl and give it a different setname

full flower
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I just dont save in nightly, im not scientific 😙

ocean phoenix
rain horizon
coral mortar
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Okay, that makes so much more sense everyone. Thanks for filling me in! Good to know how things work as far as configs etc. go.

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Sure enough, deleted the neogeo.cfg file and the core is now working fine 🙂

craggy stag
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hows the neogeo pocket core going?

urban vector
bitter spire
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My only nitpick with a hypothetical Neo Geo Pocket core would be how it won't be possible to mimic the little control pad.

It's hard to explain, but If you've ever handled a Neo Geo Pocket, the control pad didn't behave like the typical directional pad, instead being more comparable to an arcade stick with 8 directional movement.

zinc rampart
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that's cause it was/is a little micro switched joystick

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itty version of the arcade stick

bitter spire
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Yeah I know, that's why it has that distinct click when you move it. Easily one of the most satisfying pads to use because of it.

rain horizon
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Tho still not exactly like it in shape you could get pretty close with a neo Geo mini pad.

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It has the clickiness tho

full raven
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Pocket pads were good

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Neogeo cd pads doesnt

ocean phoenix
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@bitter spire you could always download a sound pack of me yelling “CLICK!” that plays when you move the analog stick.

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It’s like the real thing

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I’m kidding, it’s a wonderful controller. Feels really good to use and still very unique.

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I wonder if you can sorta simulate it with a slight rumble and audio feedback. That could be baked into a core option.

bitter plank
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I'm probably in the minority but I disliked the NGP stick. I could never pull off moves as consistently as a regular dpad.

abstract birch
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I've seen a couple projects 'recreate' the NGP stick using resin casting and modern parts. But sadly never as a readily available part. I too loved the stick. I'd love to see someone create the stick, put in a NGP shell and sell as a usb controller.

rain horizon
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I think most just want something to recreate a authentic experience not that it's a great experience.

abstract birch
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I personally thought it was a great experience. But to be fair, I mainly just played Neo Turf Masters and Metal Slug on the NGP, not as demanding at the fighting games.

rain horizon
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People gonna hate me for saying this but I'm better at fighting games with a dpad than a stick. Not saying it's better it's just what I'm used to .

ocean phoenix
rain horizon
ocean phoenix
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I’m better at dpad too. I spent more time playing fighting games at home with friends than at arcades.

I love using a fighting stick though, but I do that for fun, not to be better at the game haha.

rain horizon
full raven
last mist
wind jasper
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So is Update all working with the NeoCD core, or has the Mister main not been updated? Just ran the script and the core is still working.

woeful copper
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re: NGCD
I guess I'm to use this MiSTer build

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But where is the NGCD rbf?

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Cheers

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Is this it?

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inland drum
inland drum
still gorge
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definitely prefer D pad

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I think my problem is I grew up with home ports and very rarely got to visit an arcade especially once fighting games hit the scene

rain horizon
still gorge
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Yeah same, I didn't get to play Street Fighter II in the arcade until I was an adult I believe

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I still think that the music in the tower and the sound that people make when you sweep kick them are superior on Genesis MKII

plucky stag
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I started hitting arcades more regularly in high school. Since that coincided with me playing fighting games more regularly I learned how to play on stick

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Modern games are designed more for pad players than the old ones at any rate

shy bane
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Does paulb have a Patreon?

green marten
placid whale
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looking at the neogeo MiSTer core settings

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no sign for snac

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but this exists

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am I missing something

hushed onyx
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it's for third party stuff

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the guy who makes it has forks of the cores that have a sort of fake snac implemented

placid whale
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yeah, the itx board supports it. but if the core doesn't do snac. then

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aahhhhhhh

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like damonbite

hushed onyx
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not quite, it just serializes the data using some multiplexing and it works well enough to be passable on some cores

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since mister only has 8 pins in and neogeo requires 15 there's not enough pins for real snac

placid whale
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neat. then I'll invest in one, I've got a couple of the CD controllers in Japan awaiting delivery.

and I adore the ngpc dpad so it'll be worth it to me

hushed onyx
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the benefits over just using a good USB adapter are pretty much non-existent, so i'd suggest just going that route

placid whale
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wild how many pins the controller uses considering how few are actually needed

hushed onyx
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it's just careless

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most other things by then had serialized inputs

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but neogeo is all just basic parallel, I guess to make wiring easier in arcade cabs or something

placid whale
hushed onyx
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im sure there are many

rain horizon
plucky stag
hushed onyx
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superguns used it because it was already compatible

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but probably jamma was the ultimate reason

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anyway that's a lotta wires

placid whale
wary bronze
plucky stag
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oh interesting

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would be kinda fun to use my old neo geo mas on mister

rain horizon
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I got this daemonbite adapter from Ultimate mister.

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full raven
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no news for now ?

green marten
inland drum
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Well as much as we all (or at least most i’d wager) want a finished core i am just happy it’s happening. Waited decades, a few months or even more is fine 😅

nocturne storm
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any new core developments for the neo geo cd part?

full raven
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for now, nothing.

nocturne storm
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Can't wait to have the core running as it should and test all the good cd music 🙂

full raven
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Me too

zinc kite
patent granite
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Does the Neo Geo CD test core require dual SDRAM to play CDDA? Just checking as all the combinations of updated main files with the newer version dont seem to play CDDA at all on my setup.

green marten
patent granite
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Strange. Do you know of a game that CDDA works for sure on? That way I can test properly while I troubleshoot it.

green marten
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Viewpoint. Neo Turf Masters and Pulstar from memory. But I have a testing vid

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Pulstar you need to sometimes pause to get it running

patent granite
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Ah okay, thank you. One more question - is there any way to manually update the MiSTer main file without having to take out the SD card and put it in the PC? I figure there probably is not, but its worth asking

rapid fjord
patent granite
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Weird, it wouldnt let me overwrite that on FTP when I tried. Probably because the mister was using it

rapid fjord
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I usually just use samba myself, I find it to be more convenient

patent granite
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Sounds like it, right now I just have the Games folder on a fileshare

rapid fjord
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Same, I use CIFS for games, samba for basic maintenance like mister ini updates, etc

patent granite
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Ah cool, got it working. Must have had the wrong main file or something. Nice to hear those arranged tracks, especially on Last Resort. Hopefully some kind of CD turbo mode can be implemented so load times will be even less annoying

urban vector
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It's been awhile since we had an update after a flurry of builds from Paul

patent granite
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Hm, the screenshot function doesn't have the filters applied to it, didnt realize that

patent granite
barren lodge
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@patent granite please don’t link to roms #rules

patent granite
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I can't find a link without rule breaking ROMs in it, but basically the post was showing a Rally Chase Neo CD port to MVS/AES cart

inland drum
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I think several if the neo cd exclusives were indeed hacked to cart. I want the reverse, all the benifits of carts (no loading, no cuts in animation etc.) but with the arranged ost of the neo cd versions. Like we have for snes and md/ geni games.

ocean phoenix
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Damn, SNK predated MSU1 by 20 years.

patent granite
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Ironclad and Crossed Swords 2 also got ported yeah

plucky stag
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technically Ironclad was a contemporary cart rom that just never got released

patent granite
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The roms were pulled from a Wii VC release, yes

wary bronze
patent granite
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Galaxy Fight and a few others have arranged music I think?

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On Saturn

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Didnt try them because Galaxy Fight kinda sucks..

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Work blocks gaming related websites so I cant see if the Neo CD version had arranged music either

wary bronze
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I think the Fatal Fury Battle Archives on PS2 had the AES versions with NGCD music. Going off memory for that.

There's definitely a Saturn KOF 95 version that replaces the normal audio tracks with the arranged ones. I know because I made it forever ago. 😅

patent granite
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They did! Those PS2 collections were great, almost all of them had arranged music. I think the only downgrade was some compressed background tiles in a few spots IIRC

#

Oh, you do track replacements too? I did that for a few PC Engine CD games some years ago

wary bronze
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Only when it's easy. 😁

For KOF it was a simple swap. Just needed to get the track order correct.

patent granite
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It's not too bad for PCE CD.. generally. Ran into a snag with R-Type Complete that sorg had to fix lol

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Kinda boosts it up to the preferred way to play the original R-Type for me with the R-Type Dimensions arranged tracks and it's cutscenes

wary bronze
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Is the PCE CD ver. the one with the "R-r-r-r-type!" rap?

patent granite
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Oh no, it might be lol

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I didnt like it's original AST at all after a very short time with it so I did the swap and havent looked back

wary bronze
patent granite
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That's a pass for me

plucky stag
patent granite
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Oh, interesting. Are they just boss characters or new ones?

plucky stag
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boss characters, but there's like 4 of them or so? Not sure how many bosses are in that game

patent granite
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I wonder if Waku Waku 7 has any extras. I think that's known as a pretty terrible port though

plucky stag
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the other CD to console conversion I know of is Breakers Revenge Extra, which ports the Extra mode tweaks from Breakers NCD to Revenge

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it is a bonkers game

inland drum
patent granite
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95 on PSX was my first KOF game

inland drum
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i have 95 on saturn, with romcart, unfortunately i live in pal country, but still loved playing it back then!

patent granite
#

98UM is my favorite of the series

inland drum
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is that the regular UM or the 'somewhat' recent newer version? always get those confused.....ultimate match and final match or something? anyways i def play 2k2um (via x360) with a friend every now and then

patent granite
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Because Geese/Krauser/Normal Rugal is just an absolutely amazing team. I preferred playing it on PS2 when I had it, but the last revision is on Steam and I use that now.

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I wish someone would backport it to MVS/AES, there is a rom hacker that kinda got it working but its buggy and stuff is missing

wary bronze
inland drum
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hmm now that i have two quite serious fans here, did only 98 get an 'final edition'? i would have worn 2k2 as well but by the look of steam i am either wrong....or i do own that one :S

patent granite
patent granite
inland drum
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yeah, so 98 had vanilla, UM and then UM:fe......kof 2k2.......at least vanilla and um, but is the steam version of that also more advanced than regular um?

patent granite
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It's initial release had tweaks and changes, then later in 2021 it got updated with more and rollback netcode

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https://snk.fandom.com/wiki/The_King_of_Fighters_'98_Ultimate_Match

SNK Wiki
The_King_of_Fighters_%2798_Ultimate_Match

The MENACE lives... and stands in the way again of the fighters. -Intro The King of Fighters '98 Ultimate Match (ザ・キング・オブ・ファイターズ '98（ナインティエイト） アルティメットマッチ) is a standalone upgrade of The King of Fighters '98: Dream Match Never Ends which includes all characters that were present up to The King of Fighters '97 (making it the second Dream Match gam...

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This article goes over it all pretty well

bitter plank
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Awesome game. I grabbed that Japanese physical from late last year

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The final version

plucky stag
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It has some tweaks over original 2k2um

inland drum
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Thanks all, appreciated!

austere nymph
urban vector
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Oh, very nice, should get picked up by unstable nightlies now

full raven
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wark, le porteur de bonnes nouvelles.

austere nymph
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^^

wary bronze
patent granite
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Were there any new changes, or is what exists now just getting merged in?

full raven
#

We need COMPACT DISK in our life

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Nio jio compac diskk

placid whale
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ネオゲオ

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love learning Japanese and being able to make the words and all that good stuff

patent granite
#

330 Mega Power

rain horizon
rain horizon
urban vector
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Hmm, how come a new unstable nightly Neo Geo core hasn't run off?

patent granite
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Doesn't it need a change in main? Had to get a modified main file to run the test core for NeoCD

austere nymph
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the unstable build seems not to work because the unstable build was not produced

full raven
#

Disco Compacto !

bleak river
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🎉

long hearth
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Hey Guys, I just recently downloaded the Darksoft Neo Geo pack (mainly for the metal slug games) and I'm having some issues getting them to run

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I unzipped them to my game/Neogeo folder on my Mister, Mister is able to see them, but the issue occurs when I attempt to boot one up

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It loads a couple of things and right before I'm expecting to see the game it just ends up being a black screen

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is there any additional steps I'm missing when setting up my NeoGeo or these Darksoft roms?

patent granite
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Sounds like maybe a BIOS issue? Do you see the Unibios screen come up before the black screen?

long hearth
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I see a couple of different loading bars appear and populate

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I can check which ones they are

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Its the 'prom', 'crom0', and 'vroma0' bars

patent granite
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Those are the just ROMs being loaded into memory. If you arent seeing an actual BIOS screen come up afterwards it's probably a lack of, or the wrong BIOS files.

long hearth
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So there are addition BIOS files I need to download and place somewhere essentially?

patent granite
#

PM

still gorge
wind jasper
#

So does the cd core work with the newest (230326) Mister Main?

patent granite
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Does not appear to be

austere nymph
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the unstable build has not been produced

south cloud
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Something wrong during the possible compilation actions ?

patent granite
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Isn't the last NGCD release from 2/26?

south cloud
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For the last version of the core, yes.
But the changes on Main were done before on paulb-nl fork.

wind jasper
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Ok. I updated to the latest main so I could mess with the Saturn core and NeoCD broke so I just wanted to make sure I hadn't messed something else up. Lol.

full raven
#

no neocd news in fixes ?

bright magnet
patent granite
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\o/

urban vector
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Oh, so unstable nightlies build now has CD support?

covert verge
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We had the runner on ubuntu:18.04, and GitHub removed it, now it's on ubuntu-latest

urban vector
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Nice, will remove from my DB

covert verge
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Kind of crazy that they just remove an OS image from just 5 years ago

rain horizon
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Only thing that could make today any better is neo Geo cd news 😁

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Guess not..

urban vector
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Is odd nothing from Paul after that burst of progress for a few weeks ago, hope he is doing OK

rain horizon
urban vector
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Would be funny if it dropped this weekend, poor Lu already has a lot to record for the next MiSTer update 🙂

rain horizon
patent granite
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Neo Geo CD, working again

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What an adorable little sprite artwork of the NGCD pad

urban vector
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Oh, is anything new or same build but in unstable nightlies?

patent granite
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Same build, new/fixed unstable main

urban vector
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Ah so you still need unstable main

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Wonder what the hold up is updating Main, maybe other features in it

bitter spire
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Probably just vetting to make sure there are no bugs.

patent granite
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When you boot up Aero Fighters 2 CD and the AST comes on

austere nymph
patent granite
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In terms of omake quality, ADK World > Neo Geo CD Special

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patent granite
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I wonder if King's fireball was named after this?

grand wraith
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Can’t get Kof 98 or 02 to work on the neogeo core. Is there at trick to it or doesn’t the core support it yet?

patent granite
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They work fine. What happens when you try to boot them up?

grand wraith
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Black screen. Or. partially, text is visible

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The sprites doesn’t seem to load properly.

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Gonna try a different rome

patent granite
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How much RAM does your MiSTer have?

grand wraith
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Dual

patent granite
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Should be fine then. I'd guess ROMs then if your BIOS files are in order.

patent granite
ocean phoenix
patent granite
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Best in the series

wary bronze
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I remember that ad! I've never seen that cabinet in the wild. Does it actually exist? 🤔

Edit: yup

full raven
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These commercials are agressive !

patent granite
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Im reminded of the one with the hot dogs

bitter spire
patent granite
#

Which characters are those little chibi figurines in your avatar

bitter spire
patent granite
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I thought it Saber, but I wasnt sure

patent granite
full raven
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Biggah Baddah Bettah

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Terrible logo

lofty marten
patent granite
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Ride or die

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They see me rollin

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they hatin

lofty marten
ocean phoenix
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Is that a wacky wheel?

lofty marten
bitter spire
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Looks like the Neo Geo CD support is finally integrated into the latest stable MiSTer build.

ocean phoenix
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So the Neo Geo CD core is running pretty great, right?

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Only issues I’m seeing is that on certain screens using NTSC the screen is cutoff again (shows full image on PAL) and Last Blade 2 chd didn’t load for me (likely something on my end).

nocturne storm
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And still missing CDZ and unibios

earnest ember
#

I have been messing with the Cd core today, I had forgotten how slow the CD drive was on that machine and how bad I am at Turf masters

patent granite
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The omake discs (96 Special, Neo CD Special, ADK World) are pretty fun if you can navigate the Japanese

bitter spire
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The SEGA Saturn release of Twinkle Star Sprites also had a dedicated omake disc.

patent granite
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Ooh, neat

ocean phoenix
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Not that I’m testing it for issues but I’m not finding anything obvious, which is awesome!

topaz holly
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Where can I find the newest neo geo cd core? The one I have cant read kof99 and for some games, when its on loading screen its keep backing for the boot screen over and over again

atomic river
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Sorry about the extremely noob question as I can’t for the life of me understand discord, but where can I find the latest neocd build?

south cloud
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A new core version is being released, let them cook!

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I'm not near a computer with a Quartus building environment today, could someone else please build it for us ? 🥺

patent granite
#

👀

ocean phoenix
nocturne storm
bright magnet
humble pelican
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Does cdz need other bios?

forest bloom
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cdz has not worked yet

patent granite
#

New core build working good

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Omake CD titles aside, Last Resort, Pulstar, and Aero Fighters 2 have some sick AST music

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Scramble, Scramble, new core drop! HUGE BATTLESHIP "FATTY NEOCD" IS APPROACHING FAST

rain horizon
green marten
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Ooh fun

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Looks like someone is making an extra vid again this week 😂

south cloud
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I've checked Ninja Master's, Magician Lord and Crossed Swords earlier.
All those seem to work correctly so far.

I've heard some buzzing sounds instead of sound effects on the Puzzle Bobble intro and during some of my gameplay.

patent granite
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Last Resort has no SFX, I think some others dont either

rain horizon
green marten
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Lol I do like making videos

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Obv. It’s my career

lofty marten
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Should I brother setting up neo geo cd ?

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I mean it’s only like two games that have anything special or new about them ..

full raven
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rasterization works well now

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world heroes 2 jet works

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Technos games still no PCM sound

ocean phoenix
#

“wow who is the genius that keeps making these cores that I do videos on, couldn’t be me” - actual @green marten quote after he uploaded the cores he done on MiSTer

green marten
lofty marten
patent granite
#

Wheres the core for Trio the Punch?

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Chop chop

bitter spire
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Where's the PlayStation 6 core?

ocean phoenix
#

Why do you think he knows so much about what he covers? Why are his videos such wonderful deep dives on the latest MiSTer core updates?

Simple… ||He is the cores.||

lofty marten
#

Where’s the door dash app mister core

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?

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You mean like some sort of AI ?

sonic solstice
#

Anyone having any luck with CIFS and NeoGeo? I never worried about it, but now that CD storage space is in the mix, it's a bit more desirable. But the NG core seems to just not see it at all.

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MegaCD/Saturn/PSX/etc have zero issues and were just plug and play.

patent granite
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Try updating your main

sonic solstice
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Got latest when the news went out this morning.

patent granite
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I had to re-run the CIFS mount script after the linux update too

sonic solstice
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I should add that even non-CD neogeo doesn't show up.

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Ah, ok, I'll give that a go.

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Ding ding ding. It was rerunning the script. Thanks!

patent granite
#

I only learned that today

green marten
#

Almost make Janktoberfest but I moved it

patent granite
#

It's the gold standard for kusoge

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The pcb prices make me cry though

soft wedge
#

Hey everyone, new here. Can anyone point me in the direction of a video or website with good instructions for making the neo geo core work? All my games are on a usb drive, and every core works great except the neo geo, which when I try to open a game the directory is empty. Don't really know why that is.

still gorge
#

I believe there's a Darksoft set out there in .neo and an htgdb gamepack specifically for MiSTer in .neo

.neo format is the simplest they're just drag and drop

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update_all can handle grabbing the BIOS for you

green marten
#

Video game esoterica on YT

soft wedge
#

I got it! Man that was taking me forever. Thanks for the help!

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I downloaded another set of darksoft collection. The one I had for ages but hadn't tried until now was maybe... incorrect?

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Also replaced the romset.xml from update_all with one from the GitHub. Which of those did it? No idea. But something worked lol

ocean phoenix
zinc rampart
#

four bright buttons and two joy sticks!

ocean phoenix
#

❗ ATTENTION:

Everyone in this chat is required to watch the previously posted video.
There will be no concessions or exceptions made, please watch.

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🫡

patent granite
#

Dust that one off before you post it man, its older than my crusty ass photobucket gifs

ocean phoenix
patent granite
#

Anthem? Anthem is a cool band.

green marten
full raven
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I was testing the core yesterday, it has better stability

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fixed rasters

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still small audio issues in Real Bout 2, and now Last Blade 2 loads and plays.

ocean phoenix
green marten
ocean phoenix
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I have FOUR Neo Geo cores 👀

green marten
#

Four Neo Geos just equal a hyper Neo geo 64

rain horizon
#

I really hope neo geo cd since it's gonna be part of the neo geo core that it works like the turbo grafx core and uses a different directory for cds

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Either that or make a separate mgl for cd

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I can do that myself if I have to.

urban vector
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Pretty sure the NGCD core is just a fork of the MVS/AES core and all the functionality is still in there. Don't see any reason it won't be one core, I don't think space is an issue.

rain horizon
urban vector
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Ah, got you, sorry - misread

ocean phoenix
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I assumed it was one core since the core name is the exact same and is expecting the games to be in the same folder. Although I’d prefer a TG16CD scenario where the discs are in another folder.

urban vector
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Might be worth mentioning that on the forum, Paul seems to look there periodically, he may be open to it

rain horizon
bitter spire
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Worst case scenario, just manually create a separate folder for Neo Geo CD games.

urban vector
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Yeah, but ideally you want the menu to look at that folder when you select to load a CD file, not have to navigate away from the MVS/AES folder to find it

green marten
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loading up some new stuff to test / capture now

green marten
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hmm just seem to be black screening

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@ocean phoenix what am I missing?

urban vector
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You loaded the right BIOS file?

green marten
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yeah...old core that worked now black screens too

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I wonder if its because I am on the old nightly MiSTer file. Gonna run update all and see

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haven't updated since unofficial build for most recent Saturn core

urban vector
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You need to me on the latest MiSTer Main

green marten
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that's what I figured. Its spinning update_all now

urban vector
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You'll get a linux update as well so might take a wee bit

green marten
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bingo

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its always update all lol

urban vector
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I always run it everytime I boot up MiSTer, every day it picks up something new

green marten
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bummer. Still cant get LB2 to boot. Just says insert cd

urban vector
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What pack are you using?

green marten
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redump

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if you know a working one...dm me

urban vector
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Trying to remember what I have, not at MiSTer right now

green marten
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LB seems to work fine

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with some quality sound too

urban vector
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Ah, yeah that was marked not working before

green marten
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ok so that hasnt changed then

urban vector
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These were the ones that didn't work before

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The Last Blade 2.chd
Aggressors of Dark Kombat.chd
Shinsetsu Samurai Spirits Bushidouretsuden.chd
Samurai Shodown RPG (JP) (FR).chd

green marten
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LB sounds perfect

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very accurate loading too...which is to say damn its so slow lol

urban vector
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I wonder if that can be sped up

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Maybe some of Robert's magic could be used

green marten
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the "ODE" has faster loading I believe

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but its a misnomer its an ODE as I believe it does something different than just emulate the drive. Loads data diff

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think I will bang this video out today for a special ep tomorrow

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KOF 98 leaving me hanging with the insert cd prompt too

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same with 97 which used to work and is the same file on my SD from last core update

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World Heroes Perfect has some weirdness on the character select screen

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in game too...that ones a bit borked

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Top Hunter looks and sounds great

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Sonic Wings 2 also seems perfect

urban vector
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I know Robert has tricks for making roms and CDs load quicker, I am not sure his fast rom loading made it into the Neo geo core though. It was a couple of years ago he added in faster rom loading if I am remembering right...

green marten
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Over Top is great but I still suck at it

ocean phoenix
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@green marten hey my friend, sorry I missed your ping. Glad @urban vector took care of ya, awesome guy!

green marten
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Metal Slug is great too

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grape monacle plus bacon equals good? lolol

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Double Dragon has some odd SFX but otherwise good

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sounds like a chicken clucking randomly lol

urban vector
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Are you able to give give these quick checks?
Aggressors of Dark Kombat.chd
Shinsetsu Samurai Spirits Bushidouretsuden.chd
Samurai Shodown RPG (JP) (FR).chd

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Agressors had this issue: It loads, you can start play it, 1st combat is ok and playable, then garbled graphics and hang. It sounds.

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There other two:
Taken back to BIOS screen and disck select after selecting to start game form menu

green marten
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let me see if I have them on my card

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I have none of them lol

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KOF 96 works great, sounds great...no notes

bitter spire
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Anyone check Twinkle Star Sprites yet? I remember that having game breaking visual glitches.

green marten
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next up on my list then to edit @bitter spire

south cloud
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Samurai Shodown III have the correct portraits now.

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I've done 3 battles in one strike on Last Blade 2, the game works so far.
There are some ADPCM issues on games like : Windjammers (anouncer/judge), Double Dragon (SFX), Pulstar (SFX), Neo Turf Masters (announcer), Samurai Shodown III and IV (SFX and announcers), Tengai Makyou Shinden ~ Far East of Eden - Kabuki Klash (announcer and SFX)...

Ninja Master's have sounds, Magician Lord & Crossed Swords too.

green marten
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I had the same issues with Double Dragon

urban vector
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Wait, so Last Blade 2 works?

south cloud
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Yes.
I've done my CHD conversions from my personal collection, and same as Redump one for LB2.

urban vector
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@green marten you definitely using the latest core?

green marten
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Twinkle Starts works great

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yep new core. It might be the redump files. Who knows

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Twinkle Star Sprites works great. Gameplay, sound and sfx

full raven
full raven
green marten
full raven
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The firmware is not update in a lot pf time

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Samsho rpg is not working yet

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Loadng times for KOF 99, character to character is arround 4segs... it's a big improvement in loading times... maybe a 80% faster?

urban vector
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Last Blade 2 loading for me

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@green marten you definitely using this rbf?
#1075091985007902812 message

green marten
urban vector
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Weird

green marten
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I double checked, that build

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I mean it could easily be the redump files I grabbed off archive too

urban vector
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Yeah, maybe try download again and copy over fresh

bright magnet
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@green marten I had the waiting for cd with LB2 redump in bin/cue but converting to .chd worked.

green marten
ocean phoenix
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Yes I’m using chd

green marten
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I wonder if there is a minor regression on the core. Newest build KOF 99 bin/cue won’t be seen as a disc by the dashboard

bitter spire
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Is there any difference between the normal and "cracked" files?

green marten
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But prev core it’s seen as bootable

south cloud
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Using CHD too for my tests.

full raven
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I use cue bin

green marten
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all set for tomorrow

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couldnt help but jam Mai popping up from the MiSTer lol

lofty marten
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Excellent choice !

green marten
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ugh why does resolve allow you to put +30dB to a track when you meant to hit -....it should stop you from that mistake. Lucky there is a VGE to be alive tomorrow after that fucking heart attack

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one bad key strike and its the difference between quiet backing soundtrack and your ears bleeding

main oar
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hey guys.. what are the requirements for running the cd games other than running the latest mister main and the latest version of the core.. I dont seem to be able to get any games at all to boot (redump bin/cue) any other settings in the core other than set system to cd, original bios and region to match the game that needs to be done?

green marten
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its diff than STD NG bios files needed for AES/MVS

main oar
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@green marten oh, that's the problem then.. thanks! 🙂

green marten
urban vector
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I heard there was a 4 player game for MVS, that was unreleased at the time, but is dumped and out there in the wild now. Anyone know what game this is and if the core supports four players?

full raven
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These games are

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Riding Hero

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No

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League bowling

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Riding hero

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With unibios is possible to activate the 4 player mode of Kizuna Super Tag Battle

full raven
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Ok, World Heroes Perfect Backgrounds are messed and game autoresets.

spiral cloak
full raven
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Kizuna encounter with unibios can unlock the 4p mode

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Needed 2 carts and 2 boards

abstract birch
main oar
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hey guys, this happened after running pulstar in demo mode after 20-30 minutes.. might be a good way to test the core.. I dunno.. redump bin/cue (unzipped), system type set to cd, bios set to unibios.. latest mister main.. latest compiled core from this channel.. bios from github.com/Abdess/retroarch_system/

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green marten
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002 is sector time out

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003 is copyright flag…but sometimes the flag will register as 002

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I don’t remember Pulstar having any protection though so 99% a read error

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Checked. Pulstar has no protection. So it’s a read wrror

south cloud
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I had the same problem on RBFF2 yesterday night.

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Just before my first fight.
But I didn't success to reproduce it a second time even after longplay time (nor on any other game).

full raven
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this core is very sensitive to open the menú while it's loading

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it will cause read error or graphical and sound problems if it is done during loading.

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the core presents unnestabilities too that I think can affect to the loading data.

bitter spire
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Does the sensitivity to loading mean an option to speed up disc reading is not possible?

green marten
full raven
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A thing you have to know is that

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this core loads a lil bit faster than the real NEOGEO CD

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as all the seeks are minimized, the loadings can be between 3 and 5 secs faster in some games.

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the real neogeo cd has heavy seeks and stops that make you have fear...

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neocdsdloader is the glory. A 25 -30 segs loading transforms in 4 segs.

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the intercombats in kof 99 are 4 segs.

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so, in games like fatal fury special... maybe less than 2 segs

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like in KOF 95

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I think I mesured that, 2 seg

urban vector
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I wonder if loading will speed up when that later model BIOS works

full raven
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if the NEOGEO CD Z will work, It would be just the half of time we have now.

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because neogeo cd z takes the half time of loading.

urban vector
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Which would be really nice

full raven
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if a game loads 12 segs

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in neogeo cd z will be 6

urban vector
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Then maybe people will stop moaning about "long" load times 🙂

south cloud
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Neo Geo CD drive is 1X speed, CD Z is 2X speed.

urban vector
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I feel that the NGCD has this urban legend status that the load times are painfully long (which isn't true when compared with other CD systems) like how PC-FX is considered an Hentai machine. Both machines have a rather unwarranted bad reputation generally among people who never owned either.

full raven
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I remember the ETERNITY of loadings in Street Fighter Zero for PSX and nobody arguing

urban vector
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Exactly

full raven
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IT WAS A PSX, IT WAS THE FUTURE, IT WAS THE VIRTUAL REALITY

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hehehe

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NEOGEO CD has a lot of games very playable

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it's true that as more megs the game has, more loadings it will get.

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kof 95 is very playable

urban vector
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I got mine around the time I was playing Monster Hunter 4 on my PS4 (Pro, no less) and those load times were seriously painful. Be minutes worth of load screens to get into play a mission, so the NGCD seemed like rocket speed in comparison to that.

bitter spire
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I think it depends on the game. Like Pulstar being one of the more blatant examples of slow loading on original hardware.

south cloud
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The problem with the Neo Geo CD is the time for seeking from the CD and buffering to the DRAM.
Pratically, you can't really go under 4.5 secs of loading.

full raven
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kof 96 loads almost the same, but it has more seeks, so it's slower

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kof 97 starts to be painful

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there are games that could be much better, but they didn't had cuts in select character screens and things like that, and become heavy loaders

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Savage Reign is an example

green marten
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Last blade…gonna load 3 times between matches. That gets old

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Aero Fighters 2? Barely notice it

full raven
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aerofighters 2 and 3 are perfect for CD

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windjammers, better in CD

patent granite
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Aerofighters 2 CD such a great AST

main oar
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ok, I did a reboot and tried pulstar on demo mode again.. it's been over an hour now and it's still running fine so I guess it was a one-off error.

bitter spire
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Pulstar seems unplayable. Like every time I press "PLAYER 1 START" it just reboots.

main oar
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let me try it..

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@bitter spire seems to be working just perfect for me

patent granite
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Also working fine for me

bitter spire
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Are you using a cracked version? I'm using a normal CHD file.

main oar
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im using redump (bin/cue)

bitter spire
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Maybe the game doesn't like the CHD format?

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Or maybe I have a bad dump?

patent granite
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Im using CHD, works fine

south cloud
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Works fine too on my end.

bitter spire
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Then I guess I have a bad dump. I'll try a different dump to see if I get any different results.

patent granite
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KOF94 can load itself entirely into the RAM btw so no load times after the initial one, and has the arranged soundtrack. Good way to play the game.

lofty marten
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Never have so many people been excited about adding load times to great games for no good reason..

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If only samurai spirits RPG had a full English translation ..

bitter spire
lofty marten
bitter spire
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I do like the small detail of different developers putting unique sprites on the loading screen though.

lofty marten
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I will have to check out the extra course in turf masters ..

patent granite
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For the record, some of the Neo Geo PS2 collections are really good for playing the original games in 240p with the Arranged Soundtrack.

For some reason some of them like the Samsho collection have a blur filtered forced to on though, not sure why.

green marten
lofty marten
inland drum
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It goes s bit far to say the kof 96 arranged ost makes this core worthwhile but wow sounds so good! Did run into a cd error after a few fights but beta core eh!

patent granite
inland drum
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There’s something i don’t like of that version. Maybe Unable to set text to english?

patent granite
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Oh, okay. I dont really think about that as much

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo_Geo_Online_Collection

Neo Geo Online Collection

The NEOGEO Online Collection is a series of classic Neo Geo video games, re-released by SNK Playmore for the PlayStation 2 in Japan. These games allow you to fight against other players over the Internet by way of KDDI's MMBB matching service. Some of these collections have been released in the United States and Europe; however, online connectiv...

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Many of them have english releases though

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Should be noted the US Orochi Collection is different and inferior

dense vapor
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Ok so Ive actually never had a NeoCD. Just tried Last Blade 2 on the core and I gotta ask - I know the loading times were horrendous on the NeoCD, but did LB2 actually load from the disc to get to the menu, then after hitting start, load to the character select, then load the first level, let the characters talk, and then load the actual fight!?? Tell me I did something wrong and that is not how the NeoCD actually was!

zinc rampart
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NeoCD is infamous for the awful loading

dense vapor
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Yeah I always heard about it but did it actually load the level, characters talk, and then load the level again?

still gorge
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You could watch a playthrough

full raven
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Neogeo cd loads slower than the core.

limber atlas
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Neo geo cd core is using the cd controller from Sega cd

green marten
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I have not

green marten
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Maybe at some point 🙂

lofty marten
ocean phoenix
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Imagine loading when you shapeshift into a new character as Shang Tsung from Mortal Kombat! That’s during a match!

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Is it because of the dancing monkey? It’s the dancing monkey.

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Ohhhhh, that’s what I meant

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I am actually entertained by that LOL

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I love how it’s usually different per game