Atari Jaguar

[upper abyss]

Seems like something is weird with brutal sports for me .. tried reset and no dice .. I’ll grab a different rizzom
Later and try that

[mental briar]

ok, i'm building a core buffet here that will be ready in a little bit. Not sure it's needed but will be interesting data

[upper abyss]

Yeah for testing it would be cool

[tranquil cape]

Cybermorph fine for me

[mental briar]

Ok, everything runs on my Retrocastle dual ram and QMTech single ram. It really feels like Grey has nailed the instability issue. With that said....

Here is today's buffet. If Grey's build from This Morning (2025.01.14 - found here: #test-builds message) is not loading everything (aside from Barkley's Shut Up and Jam, Iron Soldier 2, and home brew stuff), try one of these cores.

[hidden blade]

With the CPU Turbo you can boot Iron Soldier 2 into the title screen. But then a black screen after selecting "Start Game".

[mental briar]

yeah, I think the core is far enough along to focus on playable stuff

[brittle zinc]

Think IS2 has other dependencies that arent common to other games. Yet to be resolved.

[mental briar]

Man, 4 misters, all games that I’d expect to load load in both cores. I will be curious to see if the buffet builds help @grim ferry or @upper abyss, or if it’s a rom issue for them. I keep saying it but amazing work Grey

[broken hound]

Wow! The latest Greyrogue dual RAM build does run AVP for me, finally! The JesusFish build run AVP as well! Yay

How far the MiSTer has come.

Not too long ago, I seriously considered buying a Jaguar, because BigPEmu had inaccurate speed on many games (Tempest 2000 was way too smooth etc.). I am scratching that plan.

[dense ravine]

Not really been following the Jaguar core development - am I right in assuming that the core doesn’t meet timing closure since it seems commonplace to generate lots of different builds?

(Assuming that’s the right technical jargon)

[fallow salmon]

yeah but it seems much much better today

and it looks like the thing that fixed it was actually a bug in the original netlists, so not just improving timing

[mental briar]

I wanna hear back from tmali and taco, but it definitely feels like grey figured out what was causing the random games not loading for random people thing

[dense ravine]

How’s the general compatibility these days (on a scale of MK64 with black boxes, to Saturn core, to Neo Geo core)?

[mental briar]

there are two games that don’t boot

everything else boots and should be playing close to actual speed

if not, you can use the turbo cpu option to get there

two official games I should say

[dense ravine]

And the ones that do are generally pretty accurate? (Not just speed, but the other stuff)

[mental briar]

so far, yeah

[dense ravine]

(And I presume this is for dual ram rather than single?)

[mental briar]

nope, both

[dense ravine]

Sorry for all the dumb questions 😄

[mental briar]

dual ram is faster

(like saturn)

[fallow salmon]

its a bit weird because its based on netlists things should all work perfectly

[mental briar]

but single ram is real close

[fallow salmon]

not following the same kind of compatability curve as other cores

[dense ravine]

But on Saturn it’s just a literal handful of games where it’s noticeable, right?

[tranquil cape]

Was Shut Up and Jam for the Jaguar completed? I only see it as unreleased.

[dense ravine]

Yeah, I guessed that. Just curious since I’ve been so completely out of the loop on this one. Figured I’d wait until it was near perfect before jumping in 😅

[tranquil cape]

It's been very good! The release this morning is working great on my single stick 2.5 ram

just had to reload a couple games

[fallow salmon]

single sdram version is still a bit slower than it should be so you might want to hold off

[dense ravine]

Especially since I wasn’t a Jag fan. So I’d kinda prefer to wait until “perfect”(ish) rather than getting a potential core issue confused with actual gameplay

[fallow salmon]

yeah don't play it yet in that case

[mental briar]

good question. do we know if it boots in bigpemu? I assume it does because it wouldn’t have been a part of the pack if it didn’t

[tranquil cape]

yeah its unreleased, but unsure of the completed %

Works in BigPEmu but can't go past the stage select screen

[sudden palm]

works ok - BigPemu

[tranquil cape]

ok - I tried every key on the keyboard but couldn't go further 😆

[brittle zinc]

Feel like that's more a bug than a feature 🤢

[tranquil cape]

put it on the box

[mental briar]

“Barkley’s Shutup and Jam is the summit” - something said in the year of our lord, 2025

[thorny swift]

Jag time on #share-media

[mental briar]

well your next video can be about how the newest test core is wildly solid

[thorny swift]

lol what core are we on now?

shitshard to keep up with

[mental briar]

grey dropped an update this morning

and it’s solid

[thorny swift]

the one in test builds yeah?

[mental briar]

yeah

it runs everything (aside from barkley and iron soldier 2) on all my misters

[thorny swift]

its on my list but Jaguar has to go away for at least four days lol. I only back to back 48 hour'd these since single ram is "news"

[mental briar]

yeah totally. and shit, the way grey is working, the core could just be done by then :p

[thorny swift]

there are some weeks Ive gotta get creative with 4pm videos and there are other weeks where I need more days of the week to cover it all

its one of THOSE weeks

[glossy iron]

The new single ram one runs very good. Aside from the known booting issues with IS2 and Barkley is battle sphere intro music is broken. Ingame everything is fine. It's broken on the normal one and the gold version

Even the unreleased stuff mostly starts fine

[pallid gulch]

Iron soldiers 2required an extension if you check info on atariage

It works on bigemp because of an option

[frigid dock]

Clucky?
Cursky?
Clursky?

[mental briar]

im looking but I can't find anything. it looks like they released the CD version first and then squeezed it down to fit on a cartridge

[uncut atlas]

Cucky

[frigid dock]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-homer-simpson-gif-13518564799186478937

[uncut atlas]

do you have a link?

it seems like it had multiple roms

[urban mango]

FWIW the same IS2 Rom on my GD cart plays ok

[mental briar]

yeah, everything I see mentions that it came out first on CD, but then a cartridge version came out. I don’t see any hardware dongles accompanying it

[wicked osprey]

Hello!! I tried various cores and ROMs and can't get anything to work. It's necessary to change the MiSTer main or there's a certain bios version to load?

[hidden siren]

bios linked in pins, specific romset/type is required, also listed in pinned messages

[wicked osprey]

Thks, I'm going to look at it

[spare idol]

Is it possible or plans to integrate a FPS counter to the Single and Duals for comparison?

[glossy iron]

There never were any additional stuff for the cart version. The cart version just lacks the fmv and Redbook audio of the cd version

[hidden siren]

So, this latest core by gray, from the #test-builds , the single ram edition, is pretty brilliant on my misterpi! AVP, Club drive and, to my surprise, Fight for Life work seemingly perfectly! Well, for that last one, not sure what it means 🙂 But: I could finish a whole fight! Then it loaded more, but I had had enough. But yeah, didn't expect that one to run! This was without turbo btw

[ashen spoke]

If anyone is interested in Jaguar homebrew, Alice’s Mom Rescue works.. Seems like a cute kids game with a big/small mechanic and pleasant cd quality music.

[lunar sky]

So I take it that given the option, dual RAM versions are the ones to go with? That is, there would be no compelling reason to use single instead?

[ashen spoke]

Yeah, I think single sdram is a little slower, at least that’s what was mentioned on the first public release.

But no reason for you to use single if you have dual ram installed.

And if you don’t have dual ram, I don’t think it’s worth upgrading for (imo).

[dusk slate]

It's worth the upgrade just to say that you are one of the dual ram elite.

[tropic rock]

Dual Ram is faster (which is more accurate). If you really want to you can use the dual ram build and set the SDRAM to 1 and it will behave like the single ram build (but no support for analog video).

[dusk slate]

In all seriousness, I personally am glad that I upgraded to dual ram just because I love testing early in-progress cores. And it was fun testing Jaguar over the last couple months with it. Worth it for that alone, but I've always been big into testing early stuff!

[tropic rock]

It ignores the second sdram module. I cant guarantee it wont fry any analog board connected though, so dont use dual ram with the analog board installed

[thorny swift]

Also Robby’s Moms Bedroom plays well too

Wait there’s another homebrew to test. Dude I know is making it

Let me try and find it

https://stormplay.itch.io/operation-followthrough

[ashen spoke]

No this one was too easy, you did that on purpose

[thorny swift]

Haha no I was joking. It’s a real Jaguar homebrew. Dudes trying to basically do Virtua Cop on Jag

Its fully homebrew and distributable so the attachment should be fine 🙂

I meant to test it yesterday and spaced

[ashen spoke]

Another amazing release @tropic rock. most of the games work great! Seems like you’ve got the metastability issues under control.

[mental briar]

yup. Might be time to start beating games….

[marble holly]

You guys play games?

[ashen spoke]

Yeah, update_all. Why?

[mental briar]

M E M T E S T

[marble holly]

Gotta go for the high score

[pallid gulch]

@uncut atlas AMD @mental briar I don't find retrieve the information maybe it is for another game sorry 😅

[kind blade]

Hey guys, loaded the single RAM core up today. Can anyone fill me in re: the filename that it looks for the BIOS please?

I'm on my phone, so there's only so much that I can do to search

[ashen spoke]

#1055574003810578503 message

[kind blade]

Thank you (I couldn't remember the "standard" name) 🤣

[ashen spoke]

Make sure to just name it boot.rom

[mental briar]

*boot.rom

[ashen spoke]

Thanks, my bad

[upper abyss]

I was todays years old when I found out the jaguar has a built in reset button combo ..

Pressing # and * at the same time will reset the game

[kind blade]

Actually y'all, it's jagboot.rom

Wow, this is really impressive

[upper abyss]

Hmm … so I can’t change weapons in AvP …

[ashen spoke]

It’s all on the keypad.

[vernal arrow]

Amazing how quickly this core has come together

[vernal arrow]

What is boot official for???

[mental briar]

it's the boring stock bios

[low dome]

tried Alice's Mom on the latest dualrom core and the Jaguar logo just goes red.

[manic yarrow]

Hi, I´m tested single ram today. A lot of games run great, only Attak of the mutan penguins black screen after select game.

[swift breach]

You'll be eaten by a jaguar tonight

[ashen spoke]

Weird, I wonder if it’s due to metastability.

[sudden palm]

worked fine before ?

[mental briar]

that smells bios related. I will test it in a bit

[sudden palm]

or bad rom

[blissful bluff]

Hi guys, how do I download the core from here?

....Single ram nightly build

[mental briar]

It’s always going to be in the channel pins (Robby makes sure of that). Build is in the test channel: #test-builds message

[blissful bluff]

Thanks TheJesusFish. Sorry for the noob questions. I have #No Access. Do I need to be a patreon or something?

[ashen spoke]

You need to pay me 5 MiSTer coins

[blissful bluff]

Lol

[ashen spoke]

Just kidding lol. It’s a role thing. You have access now. I gave you the Cycle Accurate role.

Please reach out if you need anything else or have any other questions. Happy to have you here, friend! 🍻

[blissful bluff]

Cheers Robby 🤟 you the man

🍻

[uncut atlas]

id:customize

[upper abyss]

Yeah for whatever reason it doesn’t work on my end .. kinda nuts

[uncut atlas]

yeh we need to get some alternate ways to do the number keys. I still wanna do that analog stick idea

[ashen spoke]

Or you could git gud with a real Jaguar controller.

[rotund portal]

[upper abyss]

Certain numbers work when I map em to the stick .. like I can open the map and stuff but cannot switch weapons at all

[ashen spoke]

They’re never ending LOL

I’ll tell yuuuu wuhat

[upper abyss]

I got hooked up with a stock for all occasions

[tropic rock]

(Kind of a silly question, but you have picked up the weapons when you try this...?)

[mental briar]

yeah, you only have the shotgun for a while

[low dome]

actually, first time trying the rom on the core. I've only played Alice Mom on the BigPEmu emulator

[upper abyss]

Yes I have acquired the pulse rifle and plenty of ammo and still nothing

You get the shotgun first than find the pulse rifle shortly after

[humble bluff]

With the homebrew controller test, I could confirm all buttons worked for controllers 1 and 2. This was a few builds back.

[gentle bobcat]

I have a Reflex Adapt supposedly arriving on Saturday from MiSTer Addons... along with a Jaguar controller adapter... so I hope to have a working original controller this weekend to play with. I have an original 3-red button controller, as well as a reproduction 6-red button (with shoulder buttons) Pro controller that I got from AtariAge when they still had them... which I believe were made by Songbird. I wonder if anyone has any contacts at Songbird to see if they might be interested in producing another 1,000 of them? I've seen the reproduction 6-button controller selling for ~$180 on eBay. Of course, new old-stock original Atari 3-button controllers are still available on eBay with an asking price of ~$50. For many years there was a supply of new old-stock Jaguars but those went up and up and finally the supply was exhausted. I wonder how much the entity that purchased the bulk of Atari's remaining Jaguar assets back in the late 90s/early 00s paid for them... and how much profit they were able to make even if it did take quite a number of years to sell them.?!?

Just wanted to echo my testing results for the 1/14 single RAM and dual RAM test builds on a single RAM Multisystem as well as a MiSTer Pi dual RAM config. Everything that was previously working when you found a working test build in the past... but reliably on both single and dual. Cudos. I did notice a few oddities that may or may not be reproducable. 1) The single RAM core in turbo CPU mode at least once... was hyper fast with the Jaguar power-on animation cycling over and over pretty quickly until I loaded a ROM. In that situation, Tempest 2000 ran really fast and the enemies were creeping what felt like double-speed. 2) Sometimes a game would start without sound but restarting the core and loading it again fixed it. That issue only happened a small percentage of the time. 3) I did notice an odd behavior where I'd switch to a completely different core, just to start fresh again to see if I could duplicate the successes (and I could) but a few times when I switched back to the Jag 1/14 core, it already had ROM associated with it and automatically started the game after the initial bios/boot rom Jaguar animation played. I did a reset of the core once that happened and when it came up again, it had a different ROM already associated with it and loaded that game automatically. Not really a problem but weird... and again, I don't know if I can reliably reproduce that.

[frigid dock]

That new Atari controller has a numpad on it!

[mental briar]

i want it.

[gentle bobcat]

I was a hard core Jag user back in the day and reallly lived through the releases of all of the games... bought about 17 games that I still have today... and rented about 90% of the entire library during its retail lifecycle. I really have nestalgia for the system and am so happy to see it getting attention on the MiSTer... and all of the hard work that has been put in by the devs, testers and YouTubers promoting it. Just a big thank you. I joined most of the long-time devs Patreons a couple of years ago but need to see who else I can start contributing to. I know weveral folks do not want any financial compensation... one of the reasons being they thought if they started taking any they'd feel an obligation for future work. I don't take future work for granted... and would definitely love to see JagCD support (a least for the Virtual Light Machine) added if at tolerable. If not, I understand and know at least I have access to the VLM via the very fine BigPEmu software-based emulator and I've been contributing to Rich Whitehouse's patreon since I first learned of it.

[proud wave]

This thing?

[mental briar]

YES

[frigid dock]

Well I mean the gamepad but same idea yeah

[proud wave]

Just tried the Single ram on my mister and it works staright away, when I get home tonight I'll test the reflex, worked great on BigPemu and mistercast so here's hoping (pictured running BigPemu below)

[mental briar]

It’s exciting stuff, man. 2 months ago, we had a core that hadn’t been looked at in years and booted 4 games or something. now we have a core that runs almost everything at full speed

[mental briar]

works great. I have been using it

[proud wave]

Gut this puppy and stick a Mister in it

[mental briar]

finally, jaguar as the creators intended

[gentle bobcat]

I wonder what the latency on that/this thing (new Atari controller) would be? I assume if there was any significant lag, the Reflex Adapt would take care of that... assuming it offers a USB wired connection option. That definitely isn't a hand-held option and seems like it'd really require table or a lap tray to use well.

[minor solstice]

I just wish someone would make a repro 2.4ghz/bluetooth Jag controller in the original design

[urban mango]

Out of interest, which test Rom did you use?
The one I used on my Jag hardware to test a dodgy pad the other day (Joypad-TeamTap Tester) didn’t work in the core, though others did (240p test suite, blueretro padtest)

[gentle bobcat]

While I'd really love to have all of the repro controller overlays for my original Jag controllers, they are currently too rich for my blood... and I'm more likely to adhoc print out a few paper ones for the handful of games I plan on sending any time on. Maybe if I come into some unexpected money (will see how tax returns go... may end up paying money). I assume those that have forked over $95 plus shipping have loved them, eh?

[warm oasis]

Would it be easy to have the controller number pad automapped to a keyboard number pad in addition to having a controller in port 1? That could be a solution for desktop players

[gentle bobcat]

I'll have to dig through my closet to find the few controller overlays I should still have for my physical game purchases from years ago.

[deft spruce]

just to confirm the core does not output analog out yet right? playing on analog io pro

sounds like those with direct video can?

[placid hinge]

It works for me, I also have the analog io pro from misteraddons

[deft spruce]

oh exciting, i was just getting a blue screen, ill try again

are you using composite or component?

[placid hinge]

Component using sRGB (hdretrovision Saturn component cable) I also have 1 stick memory, I would make sure you download the Jaguar bios and rename to boot.rom and place in the games/Jaguar folder

[waxen bough]

I have regular Analog IO, Single SDRAM. Works fine for me

[deft spruce]

works great on second attempt, thank you!

just needs yc.txt dialed in but man this is a trip

[mental briar]

cheatcodes for avp are no joke

Begin a game, then press Pause, Option, 6, 1+3, B, A, 9, A, 9, A, *, Option, 6, #, *, *, Option, 2, Option. The Predator will laugh to confirm the code.

[hidden siren]

lol. 🙂

Someone was asking about Mortal Combat - there is an alpha version available to download if you're a patreon supporter for the dev; if it's worth $10 to you, you can sub here : https://www.patreon.com/trufungames

[mental briar]

how do i save in this game?

[low dome]

I'm a patreon, so far the alpha (now in v0.2) doesn't work on Mister or emulator. Only on a real Jaguar via Gamedrive.

[compact lynx]

This Jaguar core is running great on a analog single ram build

[ember sage]

It's very good haven't tried every game but haven't been able to get flip out to work.

[ashen spoke]

Yeah, that one isn’t working yet.

[tropic rock]

Flip Out works for me in dual ram and I think I have run it single ram mode before

[mental briar]

Played a bunch of AVP on single ram. No issues

What's next, Grey? Now that you have seemingly figured out the weird stability stuff?

[tranquil cape]

Flip out worked for me too on single ram

[tropic rock]

The only two broken games I know of are Barkley and Iron Soldier 2. Will probably at least glance at their crash states

[mental briar]

yeah, flip out crashes after "Another great game brought to you by..."

both single and dual ram

(on one of my stacks. I can test the others in a bit)

[tropic rock]

Did you push a button?

I think it waits until you do

[ember sage]

I have only been able to get it to work on the standalone windows emulator bigp emu

[mental briar]

oh yeah, that was it

its weird because there is some garbage on the left side of the screen, probably that would normally get cropped out, so I just assumed it crashed

but yeah, works on single and dual

[tropic rock]

Eventually I will probably add a crop option for it and NBA Jam

[ember sage]

Yes same here.Will have to be more patient

[rain sierra]

I meant to drop a message requesting that but it appears you’re on it!

Thanks for your work on the Jag core. I’ve always wanted to play some of its games but didn’t want to burden myself with the hardware.

[mental briar]

i have to say, playing with the original controller is....an experience

[rain sierra]

Good? Even a little?

I’m still considering getting one.

[mental briar]

I would recommend it, to be honest

just because the alternative is a keyboard

it's not "good" but it is "correct" - I dunno if that makes sense

but that made it worth it to me

[ashen spoke]

I am a liar!

It has all garbled graphics for me

[mental briar]

reload it

[ashen spoke]

Yeah?

[mental briar]

yeah, try that

[ashen spoke]

Ok

[mental briar]

it drove the struggle bus for me on first load

but loading the core again fixed it

[ember sage]

Thanks Grey Rogue for the core.Really enjoying it.

[minor solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/maurice-moss-unexpected-reboot-it-crowd-reboot-richard-ayoade-gif-11294807

[rain sierra]

It makes perfect sense.

The largest portion of my collection is original controllers. Of all aspects of retro gaming that can be recreated the hardest to reproduce is the controller.

So I would rather have the real thing

Many of you have seen my N64 controller rants lol

[mental briar]

yeah, and having a reasonable 8bitdo fascimile is enough for me most of the time. But there is no reasonable one for the jag....so I spent 100 dollars to be able to use it because I'm not very bright

[rain sierra]

I totally feel that. I’ll likely use my M30 for 3DO since they’re practically the same and M30 is P good, but the best alternative for Jag is NTT Data Pad and it doesn’t quite scratch the itch.

Plus I want the overlays.

[mental briar]

yeaaaaaaah

yeah

wife is getting me those for valentines day

otherwise I would already have them

[rain sierra]

“Stop buying things for yourself I have no idea what weird old stuff you like and need something to get you”

I feel that energy 😅

[mental briar]

yeah that exactly. I had to promise to stop just buying everything

[rain sierra]

Do you have a grey button or black button controller? That’s a rabbit hole I’ve fallen in.

Seems like people like the grey button version but specifically the one with the thick cable?

Not sure I’d be able to tell what a thick cable looks like from pics

[mental briar]

I have a black button

I bought from an ebay lot

they are "late model" controllers and apparently worse than the launch controllers

I should open my CIB jag and see what kind of controller is in there

[tropic rock]

Huh...Just tried this myself and see the same thing. Other number buttons work, but changing weapons on marine do not. The buttons appear to be working in 240p test suite. Has anyone seen the marine change weapons?

Almost sounds like an opcode with flags not working

[upper abyss]

Oh thank god! I legit sat there and tried everything to change weapons for quite a few runs

[tropic rock]

They work in the beta...

[upper abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/fix-futurama-help-fry-fixit-gif-4525230

I wanna beat the game .. kept getting mobbed and the shotgun just wasn’t enough ..

[mental briar]

Begin a game, then press Pause, Option, 6, 1+3, B, A, 9, A, 9, A, *, Option, 6, #, *, *, Option, 2, Option. The Predator will laugh to confirm the code.

Unleash yourself

[upper abyss]

I’d rather wait .. and do it fair and square.

[tropic rock]

Actually I dont think I played long enough. I collected ammo for the pulse rifle and flame thrower, but I dont think I picked up the weapon yet

[upper abyss]

What ? But you said it works on the beta ? I played through a bit of the game like at least to the second objective and never managed to either find another weapon besides what I thought was the pulse rifle .. plenty of ammo though

[upper abyss]

Weird situation lol if it was a fighting game I’d beaten it first try like fight for life

[mental briar]

i am able to switch guns (using an official controller and reflex adapt)

also, be careful where you save. aliens respawn on save load

[upper abyss]

I like using my DS5 wired for console .. guess i can try a different controller

So everything works on the beta on the latest single 🐏 unstable except for #4

For avp ..

[tropic rock]

All four weapons work on the beta for me. In the official game I watched what I picked up carefully. I got several pulse rifle ammo pickups, but no pulse rifle weapon. I was in an area where the computer specifically mentioned the pulse rifle and I think the weapon is there

Non-shotgun weapons looked like they were disabled. Dithered pattern, not just darker. I think that means they hadnt been picked up.

[mental briar]

Yeah. Once you pick them up, the dithering goes away and the icon is solid

I was about switch between all guns. I cheated, tho, and did not pick them up organically

[tropic rock]

Note that the guns are separate from the ammo. The first pickup you get is a shotgun, not shotgun ammo.

[mild karma]

very fortunate to live in a world where I get to wind down with a nice game of Trevor McFur right before bed

[upper abyss]

Fine I’ll be the first one to find the pulse rifle

https://tenor.com/view/gif-gif-19495363

https://tenor.com/view/mood-excited-jaguar-roar-gif-15883277

[upper abyss]

Shut up and find the pulse rifle

[upper abyss]

Ok pulse rifle found and confirmed working .. false alarm !

Pulse rifle found ! Weapon switching confirmed working .. latest unstable core .. on muh big ass crt

[glossy iron]

@tropic rock
Audio in battle sphere intro seems wrong. On both dual and single ram in lates cores. After the intro it's fine.
Mister one distorted

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56S-imIu6wo
thats how it should sound

[tropic rock]

Hmmm...mine sounds like the second one

[glossy iron]

Interesting, will check this tonight with a friends mister and the same rom/core version

[mental briar]

I can check on some misters today

[ashen spoke]

You’re in the wrong neighborhood CD-I man

You and yours best stay on the other side of the street in #1103404843512631357

[faint laurel]

No distortion for me, tried both in NTSC and PAL mode. Both fine on dual ram...

[glossy iron]

Been also there, I was the guy who was in contact with slamy to offer him my CD-i, since I live near him ^^

[ashen spoke]

Awesome!

Also are you a big fan of Go Go Curry?

[glossy iron]

Yeah, love them, way better then CoCo 😄

[mental briar]

Analog audio?

[glossy iron]

No all HDMI

[mental briar]

word, I will check it out when I get home

[glossy iron]

directly into TV, all other Games sound perfect. Since I own a Jaguar Fullset and play the hardware since 199

I knew all games ^^

Oh and yes, Mister Core set to NTSC

[faint laurel]

What crc32 does does your rom have?

mine is 44A0B5A1

from no-intro set

err no that was from the zip

.j64 is 5F2C2774

[mental briar]

that was my next question

[glossy iron]

Name: Battle Sphere (World).j64
Größe: 4194304 Bytes (4096 KiB)
CRC32: 5F2C2774

yeah, its the same

[mental briar]

yeah, definitely something up. can only repro on single ram tho

Warning: Loud

[faint laurel]

hm, i'll try with one stick selected on dual build

yep, if I set the core to one stick sdram I get the same distortion

[ivory basin]

That single ram version is a BOP

it's almost as good as the Club Drive music through Software Emulation 9 years ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgIuO71I818

[tranquil cape]

https://tenor.com/view/marge-simpson-gif-20057902

[ancient drum]

attack of the mutant penguin black screen when you start to play ( sounds work ) in single ram , in dual works ok

[faint laurel]

Anyone got Flying Shark running? I only get a black screen..

It's one of those ST conversions

[mental briar]

yup, seeing this too

@tropic rock At this point, is it more helpful to file github issues for stuff?

it would be exciting if we were at the github stage of the core 😄

[tropic rock]

That or the spreadsheet. Either one. Please specify dual/single. Single issues are low priority

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1sQCMOA5qBsIpLPPkCMn3Z0FSxr4p4RhZB1TMZLeMF8Q/edit?gid=0#gid=0

Maybe it is time to merge this over to MiSTer's github

[warm oasis]

When you do, can put the MiSTer Kun boot.rom in the release folder 🙂

[south locust]

what is this bios ?

[still aurora]

someone added the MisterKun logo

to replace the Jaguar real logo

in the spinning cube at startup

[tropic rock]

Do we know for sure the bios is public domain? If so I could just compile it into the rbf

[waxen terrace]

Fun Fact: The Patents To The Atari Jaguar In The Public Domain, Meaning You Can (Maybe?) Make An Atari Jaguar Clone And Get Away With It

From a reddit post in r/public domain not sure if it answers your question fully though

[tropic rock]

Patents aren't the same as copyright

[waxen terrace]

Hasbro declared the Jaguar as an open platform in 1999, releasing the console's patents and rights into public domain after much lobbying from Atari fans, allowing software developers to make and release games for Jaguar without a licensing agreement.

This is what comes up when I googled your question

So I am not sure if that means that the BIOS is included in all of this

[ashen spoke]

I’d avoid bundling in a bios just to be extra sure.

It’s a good idea though, but better to err on the side of caution with this stuff.

[warm oasis]

This was talked about a few weeks back but I think consensus from Kitrinx was it would be fine to include the MiSTer Kun one as it seems to be public domain, the Kun BIOS was made by compiling and is not identical to the official one as it has the image, so covered enough on all fronts

[ashen spoke]

Oh nice

[uncut atlas]

there seems to be some indication all the jaguar stuff was made free

we can remove it if anyone official requests it, but it seems safe

[glossy iron]

At least I'm not the only one with this issue

[kind blade]

I am really impressed with this core already! I only had 1 crash in Super Burnout, but that's it, and it's obviously not done yet

[tranquil cape]

Me too! Shockingly good with very few issues. Thankfully the library is small enough to nail down as well

[mental briar]

I think the github repo needs to have issues enabled

[uncut atlas]

hmm

[tropic rock]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Jaguar_MiSTer/issues

Should be on now

[ashen spoke]

Oh damn, you just submitted a major commit

[mental briar]

filed the bugs I know about. you know about them too 🙂

Might have some time to do some real testing tonight after the kids go down

[sterile moss]

I quite like the dark mode MK, or if you really wana test corporate attention.....

definitely 64 bit now

[grizzled bloom]

Have you played your mister today 🎶

[mental briar]

yeah, can we change the jingle?

[tranquil cape]

NO!

[grizzled bloom]

I’d want to replace it with the Rayman “YEAAAH!!” Sound effect slowed down to like 40 percent

[sterile moss]

ash or someone could prob do it, he was editing the cd bios the other day

[tropic rock]

It was just pushing all my changes to MiSTer from my branch

[ashen spoke]

Badass

[minor solstice]

Where can i get that dark one from?

[sterile moss]

takes 2 secs to make em if you have a 64*64 pixel 24-bit bmp a source

AVP running well under Jaguar_Rework_dualram_20250114.rbf 🙂

[minor solstice]

THANKS!

Shit now my games wont boot for some reason LOL

[sterile moss]

hmm, im running that one atm

[minor solstice]

Like the bios loads, but games just sit at a black screen

[sterile moss]

reload core maybe?
not too sure sorry, copied that file over and renamed, AVP loading OK here

[minor solstice]

I did tried both my single and dual ram cores and neither will boot. Hmmm

[sterile moss]

b02321a9a3f037794fb6770dd17d1bf7 boot.rom is the md5

[minor solstice]

Yup same as mine. Idk maybe i just need to re-download the cores or do a full reboot

Re-downloaded cores, put in original misterkun boot.rom I had used, and still getting nothing. Just boots the bios. goes to load the game and just a black screen.

[warm oasis]

I assume you have turned your MiSTer off and on again, that is basic response but it does fix the rare weird issue like this that suddenly pop up

[sterile moss]

if your back on old bios and still happening, sounds like something else
ive swapped between the stock and 4 or 5 custom ones this morning

reset core settings maybe?

[minor solstice]

Yeah ill do a reset core settings. Ill do a full unplug for 20 seconds or so (instead of using my power switch)

Well hell. Still same results. I mean the core has to be working if its rendering the cube right?

[warm oasis]

You haven't copied anything new over via FTP and used FileZilla not set it to binary?

I take it other cores are working fine?

[minor solstice]

Weirdddddd..... It just loaded Classic Kong and AVP... But its really picky on what will load

[sterile moss]

id get black screen on AvP under many core versions, but stock/custom bios didnt impact it on my end

[minor solstice]

Maybe im running a bad core then. I just updated them the other day, but dont recall trying them

Im running 1/14/25 cores for both single and dual ram

[sterile moss]

under Jaguar_Rework_dualram_20250114.rbf AvP, Trevor McFur and Club Drive all load OK

it does vary per MiSTer which games work under which core
Jaguar_Rework_dualram_20250114.rbf seems good for me, but have only started testing with it this morning

[minor solstice]

Yeah thats the one im using.

[sterile moss]

if a game doesnt work but did before, try it again with the older core (with stock or custom bios)

[ashen spoke]

Classic Kong complete good? Homebrew right?

[minor solstice]

I feel like an idiot... I've been trying to load alien syndrome this whole time. AVP loads fine on the 12/31 and 1/14 cores. Works fine with modified bios too... Yup its DEFINITELY time for bed for me.

[sterile moss]

great, glad I didnt break things 🙂

[minor solstice]

Nope. So i just take it Alien Syndrom is just a game that doesnt work yet.

[sterile moss]

i dont have alien syndrome in my set...

is it homebrew port of official game?

*or official game

[minor solstice]

Yeah i think so. I just downloaded a full set back when i got the roms. Towers II runs and loads fine too. Im just extremely tired and cant think straight LOL

Once again thanks for the custom bios. Like the look of the black misterkun much better

[minor solstice]

Honestly havent played it yet. I was just testing random games in my set

[minor solstice]

From googling looks like homebrew port

[sterile moss]

ahh

i like that game, wonder if it works on original hardware

we've got the arcade core for it 🙂

[mental briar]

Atari st game

If you have the archive set, it’s in the homebrew directory

[sterile moss]

ahh yep, its in 'Atari ST Ports' folder in my htgdb set

cheers

huh, loads for me

[dusk slate]

Just youtubed it, and it...uhh...doesn't look good.

[spare idol]

Since Jaguar is pronounced 'Jag-yoo-a'' in the UK and 'Jag-wah' in the U.S is it possible that the official BIOS roar audio file could have a voice file saying Jag-yoo-a/Jag-wah replacing the roar? lol

[uncut atlas]

it's actually more like jag-whar in the us

[warm oasis]

Jag-you-arr in Scotland

[sterile moss]

same in Aus

[mild karma]

Jug-yarrrrrr

[mental briar]

If we are changing the bios sound the only right answer is 0:27 - 0:37 of X Gon’ Give It To Ya

Objectively correct

[mild karma]

I would also accept a clip from Nelly’s classic Hot in Here

[mental briar]

It’s in the top 5 correct answers for sure

[sterile moss]

I do like the roar, like MiSTer-kun is really punching above their weight

[dusk slate]

I say jag-wire.

[glossy iron]

As a German it freaks me out hearing US folks calling it "Jag-Wire" 😄

We are really used to the "Jag-u-arr" in UK which is used in Germany too, also for the car brand

[dense ravine]

Agreed. Every time VGE says Jaguar, a piece of my soul dies

[south locust]

some terrible games, but it has feeling.

[ashen spoke]

Yah it’s his midwestern accent, us normies call it Jag-warh

[dense ravine]

Say it like the Brits, you heathens!

[ashen spoke]

With the enunciation on the u?

[dense ravine]

Of course

[fossil lintel]

And since we are at it, introduce that l into solder

[ashen spoke]

why u guys love the u

Sorry, “louve”

[dense ravine]

Y u guys slur everything? 😅

[ashen spoke]

Sorry, “sourry”

[ashen spoke]

Idunnowhatchutawlkingbout

[hidden siren]

oh, and if we're doing requests: there's an 'h' in erbs. 🙂

[ashen spoke]

you’re a herb

[dense ravine]

It’s 2PM over here - the discord is run by the Europeans now

[ashen spoke]

Shit

[dense ravine]

It’ll all change when we go to sleep 😂

[ashen spoke]

[glossy iron]

Then it's back to Jag-Wire

[ivory basin]

As a Canadian I am torn in this conversation. I put the u in colour, but I also say "all y'all" with alarming frequency

[ashen spoke]

HAW HAW YESSSSS

All y’all’s colours

[ivory basin]

Hahaha

The originators of the language are REAL far away and the corruptors of the language are right next door

[ashen spoke]

If you think about it, there’s more English speakers over here than over there. 👀

I say we revolt, throw their dictionaries into the harbor

[ivory basin]

I would get killed at a European car meet, with my Porsche pronounced like porch and Jaguar pronounced like Jag-war

[ashen spoke]

Then finally we can call it the Zee Ecks Spectrum!!!!

[ivory basin]

(we say "Zed" here, Robby...)

[ashen spoke]

Then finally Canada will be free to call it the Zee Ecks Spectrum!!!!

[ivory basin]

Hahaha

The revolution is now!

[tropic rock]

Americans even make fun of the UK pronunciation. I can't find it right now, but I distinctly remember a late night host (Leno?) playing a Jag-u-ar commercial and his joke was something like "Why are you saying it like that? Jag-u-ar...You sound like an id-i-ot".

[mild karma]

Jag…you are

[fossil lintel]

It took many years to understand what you heathens meant by beamer

[ivory basin]

even better when they call it a Bimmer

[gentle bobcat]

Atari was/is an American company... and if you watch any of their few commercials and how they pronounce Jaguar in them, it's obvious what the canonical pronunciation is. However, when more people say it wrong than right, and the wrong becomes a heavy majority... then wrong becomes right. I mean, I say My Es Que El. That's the right way to say it. But unfortunately, Windows users say Sequel. I'm going to say it the way I say it, and you are going to say it the way you say it. It is a perpetual stalemate. We can change how we say it when in front of each other and the revert to the preferred way when amongst our own homies.

[mental briar]

Jagware

In celebration of the core

[ashen spoke]

Yeah dude that looks pretty incredible!

What’s up with the chair tho

Can you do that in Jaguar colors too?

[mental briar]

it's the cat's chair

you'll have to ask him

[ashen spoke]

MEOW MEEEEOW MOW MEOW

that’s cat for “get a red/black chair dood, Jaguar chair”

[ivory basin]

re-print it covered in all the different regional pronunciations of Jaguar!

an homage to a specific morning in this one Discord forum thread!

[grizzled bloom]

Not really jaguar related but In celebration of David Lynch I want to make a mister case that looks like the Eraserhead baby 👶

[mental briar]

we must save something for the 3DO core

[dusk slate]

@thorny swift and I know how it's done! Jag-wire for life!

[still aurora]

just be glad there isnt a Fiat or Nissan core. Americans butcher those too

[dusk slate]

Nee-san!

[thorny swift]

We stopped pronouncing it the British way in 1776

[dense ravine]

And that’s pretty much when everything started to go downhill for you

[south locust]

Jag-War

[uncut atlas]

Well, i'm looking at America, and I'm looking at England right now. I'm going to respectfully disagree, though I do wish you luck with your other colonies.

[still aurora]

say that again after Monday

[uncut atlas]

I'm not saying it's an easy call

It's a contest between which dumpster is more on fire

[still aurora]

You can join the Empire. We have an opening for a FPGA dev in the Falklands

[uncut atlas]

is that a real place? it sounds like something from an RPG

[dense ravine]

It has penguins!

[still aurora]

Back in the 80's when it was invaded people thought it was off the coast of Scotland

quite what the Argentinians were doing off the coast of Scotland was never discussed

[tranquil cape]

Krusty the Klown taught me that

||of course I learned about most things from The Simpsons and MST3K in the 90s...||

[thorny swift]

lol go jail another person for tweets 🤣

[dense ravine]

I’d read a bit more about that person before you follow along with that moron Elon’s thinking 😉

[thorny swift]

lol not that Robinson dude. I just mean everyone

[warm oasis]

We should get back on topic, but it is true that a lot of people in the UK have been arrested and even sent to jail for social media posts, this one from awhile ago was especially chilling.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-43816921

[thorny swift]

Jaguar is cool. Back on track 🙂

[grizzled bloom]

Jaguar is pretty racist… against 16 and 32bits

[dense ravine]

Anyone remember a brief period where people called the Dreamcast a 128 bit system? 😅

[gentle bobcat]

I hope the Jaguar is anti-racist (as in the core doesn't have any race conditions), No deadlocks and no divide by zeros.

Can the core(s) do .jag files?

Or only .j64 files?

[grizzled bloom]

This is/was a replacement shell you could buy

I got the version that’s all black and can vouch for them, but I kinda wish I saw this first

[dense ravine]

I wonder what that’s inspired by? 😅

Looks kinda neat though

[grizzled bloom]

It’s inspired by fanboy tears

It’s so you can roll up on your nintendo 64 homies with your Dreamcast 128 and leave with all their mother’s phone numbers

[dense ravine]

The Dreamcast was insanely mind blowing at the time

[grizzled bloom]

Uh hello, so was the jaguar

It was the cybertruck of its era

[dense ravine]

I was quite young when the Jaguar came out. It always interested me because it sounded really powerful but I never knew anyone with one

So I’m quite excited to try out the core at some point

[grizzled bloom]

That’s how a lot of consoles were for me. Neogeo, Saturn, jag. I’d see them in egm or something but never interact with them

Nobody had any of them

[dense ravine]

I hadn’t heard of the Neo Geo (heard of the NGP years later). Had one friend with the Saturn though so I got to play on that

The Saturn always seemed really cool too, especially because it was Sega and I was a massive Sega fan back then

[grizzled bloom]

The only reason I ever heard of anything that wasn’t Sony Nintendo or sega was magazines. No store near me ever sold anything else and no kid ever had anything else around me.

[gentle bobcat]

You're making up for it with your MiSTer. Be everything.

[grizzled bloom]

Well I also went crazy on eBay and Craigslist etc when I was in my twenties, but yes now I am everything.

[ashen spoke]

We had an Incredible Universe, which was a massive electronics store that was inspired by Disney theme parks - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incredible_Universe

Anyways, they had a game section with every single consoles hooked up and you could ask to play any game you wanted. So that’s how I got to play the Jaguar and CDi.

[grizzled bloom]

That sounds incredible! On a much smaller level that reminds me of blockbuster and Walmart where they’d let you sample like a virtual boy or something. Still nothing crazy obscure though.

That place sounds wild

Most wild console I got to try in my personal life was my cousin had a sega cd and that was like the Rolls Royce of gaming systems to me back then

[ashen spoke]

Damn that’s great! How does it look with a black background?

[frigid dock]

One sec trying a different font

better or worse? lol

I didn't like the E in the other font

[ashen spoke]

The kerning has the letters too far apart and the logo has the letters angled slightly on both sides rising up towards the middle

The letters also have some unevenness to the edges, like the letters were painted with brush strokes

[marble holly]

you mean keming

[frigid dock]

yeah I know it's a bummer trying to find a font that looks like that haha

Still looking

this is TOO much

[grizzled bloom]

That’s a cool font though

[uncut atlas]

looks like writing from the women's bathroom

[grizzled bloom]

SEND PADDDS

[hidden blade]

Has a "Se7en" vibe. Nice

[light cargo]

Hi im new on mister discord...Where i can download the Jaguar core?

[mental briar]

check the pins. robby makes sure they have all the info 🙂

you need to be cycle accurate to see the test builds room - click on Channels and Roles

[light cargo]

Ok thanks

[stone birch]

has anyone had any luck getting the any of the home port roms working?, I've tested on the latest single ram core. Tried a few of the games some here have mentioned. Also tried with the cart checksum patch enabled as well for good measure.

[unreal saffron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQiV7P2WDo4

[fast pewter]

Aggtun!

[glossy iron]

Schutzstaffel!

As a native German the nazi voices in Wolfenstein are so funny and hilarious

[sterile moss]

My life!

[frigid dock]

Okay I redid the logo

[still aurora]

you spelled Frog wrong

[frigid dock]

I've always struggled with that one

[idle ore]

#test-builds dated the 14th, pick the single ram one if you are unsure

[outer veldt]

Hawk Tuah!

[marble holly]

yo professor what falkin islands you talkin about?

[glad blade]

last two jag rework from test build work great for me

just had a chance to test

was having issue with earlier builds that didnt have direct support

very pleased with current release and avp at least

de10 nano, iodirect new, dual ram 2.9, direct out to rgb

[frigid dock]

ngl this looks kind of cool lol

[marble holly]

now do 3do mister

oh nevermind that is boring it's just the logo with 3DO in like times new roman

[frigid dock]

I'm gonna

[frigid dock]

I'm gonna do this one

maybe

might be awkward

[marble holly]

wow such disrespect to the goldstar company

[frigid dock]

I'll do that one too lol

[marble holly]

lol

[frigid dock]

wasn't there another

hitachi?

[marble holly]

Sanyo in japan

[frigid dock]

ahh Sanyo

[marble holly]

pretty much though I think everyone just knows Panasonic

[frigid dock]

not sure what I can do with the regular 3DO logo since it's 3 letters

[marble holly]

make it wideboi

[mental briar]

I dunno if it’s uncouth to ask for an SVG of the text but I would love to put that on a mister

[frigid dock]

I don't have a good way to export it to svg

You could convert it but the fpga text would be off a bit

[solar dagger]

hmm, single ram core seems to freeze my mister

got a bios in games/Jaguar as boot.rom

it's on a usb hdd though, I'll try microsd

works from microsd

any way to make it work from usb?

[mental briar]

is the boot.com in your usb directory too?

[grizzled bloom]

Thought id share a work in progress since Zool makes a cameo

[solar dagger]

initially I only had it there. I didn't have a games folder on my microSD

[mental briar]

when you boot the core with the usb drive plugged in, do you get the roar? or does the core boot to a black screen

[solar dagger]

it boots to the bios screen if I have the bios on the microsd and the usb plugged in

[mental briar]

but then you can't see roms?

or it crashes after a rom loads?

[solar dagger]

not sure how it works if you have bios on microsd and games on usb

i'll try

[mental briar]

it won't, but I guess my question is rather, when it was on the USB hard drive, you weren't getting a bios boot?

[solar dagger]

correct, black screen and mister seemed dead

[mental briar]

not even the OSD worked?

[solar dagger]

nope. I'm using a CRT though

but, the controller turned off and wouldn't sync and mister was inaccesible over network

it's like it's crashing it

[mental briar]

what kind of power supply are you using with the mister?

[solar dagger]

hmm, seems to be working now. With bios and games on usb and no games folder on microsd

it did take a while to do the roar though

[mental briar]

🤷 Computers

[solar dagger]

was black screen for a while

tried again and it's just a black screen again

and controller turns off

wireless controller

[mental briar]

What’s the power supply rated for?

[solar dagger]

using a MiSTer Pi, PSU is a Pixel phone one, can do 5v 3A

not having issues with anything else

using an external SSD, not a spinning disk

[mental briar]

Yeah, and the jaguar core, which pushes the mister a little harder. But 5v3a should be enough. It definitely sounds like a power issue tho

[solar dagger]

it works sometimes, sometimes seems to kill the mister

running a game now, seems fine

[mental briar]

if it happens again, try putting the bios and one game on your SD card (unplug the hard drive)

just to see if that one loads reliably

[solar dagger]

seems good from usb now

spoke to soon lol

rebooted the mister and now black screen again

could be a power issues like you said. I do wonder about the way the Mister Pi handles the power

[solar dagger]

actually having something similar going on with the Atari ST core

although I think that's because I'm missing a file

[tranquil cape]

Are you using the USB-C cable that came with the MiSTer Pi? Mine sucked and the system worked much better with a different cable.

[solar dagger]

yeah I am, I was thinking I should change that

I was using it because it's long and works better with my setup

trying a shorter one now

Jaguar core seems to stop working after I cold reboot from the OSD

although now it's not working from a power cycle

it's a bit random

I think it is something to do with power and USB though

I don't really like the usb-c Mister Pi. At least with my de10 nano I have a 5v 4A PSU and know what I'm getting

Mister Pi will negotiate 12v and generate a lot of heat. I probably need a type-c charger that only does 5v, dunno if they exist though

trying a different PSU and it seems better. It's using 12v from the PSU though, which I don't like

meh, Jaguar core stopped working again lol

[sterile moss]

an official rpi4 psu is a good option

[solar dagger]

was working from first boot and then cold reboot, then power cycled and it stopped working again

I don't think I have a RPi4 PSU

not an official one anyway

[sterile moss]

not sure if the issue is power related, just a decent 5v 3a usb-c PSU, the pi's are picky about voltage drop

[marble holly]

yeah but at 12v you only need 1.5a so I would think even the lamest 12v supply should get you going

[solar dagger]

yeah, might not be power, could just be finicky USB support

[marble holly]

when it fails after a cold reboot, how/what is failing

[solar dagger]

get a black screen, Mister is unresponsive

[marble holly]

everything is on SD card?

[solar dagger]

no

[marble holly]

sorry, I didn't scroll back, usb drive?

[solar dagger]

I've moved away from MicroSD after I had 2 512 GBs die on me a couple of days ago

[marble holly]

ugh

[solar dagger]

had to rebuild everything from scratch and I'm using a 2TB USB SSD

my entire games folder is on the external

[marble holly]

hmm, when it goes black/unresponsive can you hit it via network ?

wonder if its the ssd doing something weird

[solar dagger]

I can now

[marble holly]

dmesg

[solar dagger]

now it's not working on first power up

but then if I reset, via the reset button, go and load another core, then load Jaguar it works

[marble holly]

and all other cores work?

even cores that need a bios?

[solar dagger]

yes

well, Atari ST is giving me a similar issue

execpt I can never get that to work

I need to get my de10 nano hooked up so I can compare

[marble holly]

yeah pretty peculiar - if you cold reboot and launch a different core first, does jaguar then work?

[solar dagger]

yes

[marble holly]

well shit

[solar dagger]

yeah loading any other core and then the jaguar core seems to fix it

[marble holly]

it must be how it loads the boot.rom from SSD and your SSD being weird after a reboot

maybe keep the minimal mister install on a small SD card and the games on SSD?

[solar dagger]

ugh

[marble holly]

mine is like a 8gb card with mister and the cores and the rest is mounted via NAS

[solar dagger]

every time I make a statement, it stops working lol

now loading another core before it isn't fixing it lol

so random

[marble holly]

if you can ssh in, see if there are any usb errors in dmesg or /var/log/messages

[solar dagger]

the only errors I'm seeing in dmesg are to do with RTC

[marble holly]

is it still hung?

[solar dagger]

no I can get it working eventually

just can't find a pattern

[marble holly]

no I mean if it was still at a black screen I was gonna have you see if you could hit the jaguar folder

like do all of the troubleshooting when it's hung, try to pinpoint what is broken

[solar dagger]

of course now I want it to hang, it won't lol

ok, it's hung now

can still access over network

[marble holly]

cd /media/fat/games/jaguar

ls

is the directory there, with the boot.rom

[solar dagger]

I don't have a games folder on the microsd

everything is on the usb

[marble holly]

fine, cd there

I thought in lieu of an sdcard everything still mapped to fat but maybe I misread that

[solar dagger]

so yeah I can get to /media/usb0/games/Jaguar

and the boot.rom is there

[marble holly]

cat boot.rom

does it dump the gibberish out

like the file is actually readable

[solar dagger]

yep

[marble holly]

ok, let's kill the main mister thread and then relaunch it so you can see errors

ps aux | grep MiSTer then kill PID where the PID is the MiSTer thread PID

you can then ./MiSTer from the fat directory and you'll get some console logging to the ssh window, try to load the core and see if you have an issue and if so you might get some info

[solar dagger]

the mister thread isn't even running

so it must be getting killed when I load the core

haven't managed to get it to die while running MiSTer from ssh

[marble holly]

how quickly are you trying to start jaguar, like if you cold boot and let it sit 20 seconds would it ever hang?

[solar dagger]

yeah I did consider that

[marble holly]

like a race condition in getting the ssd mounted

[solar dagger]

I think it might work if I leave it a little, but sometimes work from cold boot instantly

[marble holly]

I know my NAS doesn't mount immediately

[solar dagger]

it could well be something like that

because yeah, once it works, it continues to work. As in I can keep reloading the core fine

not noticing this with other cores though. Although on the Saturn core the bios screen doesn't seem to appear the first time I load it

so could be related

[marble holly]

yeah, systems that need a bios and show a bios screen will be affected

would be, I suppose

[solar dagger]

yeah I think it's just the usb isn't mounted yet

just need to give it a few before starting 🙂

[marble holly]

https://tenor.com/view/well-there-it-is-jeff-goldblum-gif-14058551

[fierce peak]

Hi, im new here.... where can I download .rbf file with Jaguar core ?

[keen zealot]

Please see the pinned messages.

[dusk slate]

I always love that he slurps the words back up again in this gif. Even licking his chops as he does it!

[icy mulch]

Is the Atari Jaguar core part of update all now? I don't see it in my game list?

Anyone know the Game/ folder name for Atari Jaguar core?

[mental briar]

It is not yet, and the folder is /Jaguar

[ashen spoke]

pronounced JAG-WHERE

[ashen spoke]

@mental briar answered you but part of the reason why Jaguar core and CD-i cores aren't part of update all is because they aren't yet in a state where most users will have an easy time using them without issue. So updates are kept here for the local community to hammer on testing and to help the core developer refine it until they feel its ready for public release. Consider it a bonus as being part of our Discord community! You're helping the wider MiSTer family enjoy a bad ass core when it's ready!

💪

[icy mulch]

Thanks for the info

[spare idol]

Very impressed so far with the Jaguar core. Is it likely the JagCD functionality will be viable for the Single RAM Mister in the future?

[ashen spoke]

I cannot speak for core devs at all, nor am I a programmer myself, but I think it's possible considering that it doesn't add any extra functionality other than being able to read discs.

But the priority now is having a stable Atari Jaguar core that works as perfectly as possible.

[mental briar]

Ash was working on it, just to see if they could get it working. But yeah, let’s get the main core wrapped up (it’s feeling “close”) before we subject people to Jaguar CD

[warm oasis]

Jag CD support is definitely a wait-and-see once the core is stable, but it may well be beyond what can be done on the DE-10 nano. There are also the arcade boards based on Jaguar that @thorny swift was digging into the hardware for that once we have a stable core could be a project someone looks at down the line.

[thorny swift]

Yeah def “after a finished core” noodling

[warm oasis]

Did you fire up your board? Seem working OK?

[thorny swift]

Boots. All good

Gonna convert it to CF

[warm oasis]

Nice

[south locust]

I started to appreciate AvsP

Nice game

[thin sky]

@south locust - I have about an hour into it, need to give it some more time. The frames make me feel bleh, spoiled by 120hz gaming lol.

[midnight robin]

With regards to the single RAM Jaguar core (latest available build), I don't know what I am looking at.
I mean, is the single RAM core full Juaguar speed with the default CPU speed?
Or, in order to achieve full speed I need to set CPU to TURBO? If I do that, Flashback intro is WAY too fast...

[tropic rock]

Single core is not full speed. if it was there would be no need for dual ram. Runnng turbo on single core is running somethings faster than real hardware and some things slower.

[verbal coyote]

So AVP using dualsdram should be full speed now? It feels really laggy but maybe It matches the real hardware framerate

[midnight robin]

I see! That makes it perfectly clear!

Thanks!

[hidden siren]

OOOhhhhh new builds! 🙂 NICE!

[tropic rock]

I have never played AvP (or any other Jaguar game) on real hardware. I assume it is close, but a careful comparison is needed.

[hidden siren]

So for everyone who's awake and not at work or something - new builds! #test-builds message ; fixes for Iron Soldier 2 and Barkley Shut Up and Jam ! SAWEET!

Thanks Grey!

[ashen spoke]

[hidden siren]

IS2 totally is playable on my single-sticker :)! Amazing!!

[sudden palm]

https://tenor.com/view/robert-redford-jeremiah-johnson-nodding-yes-nod-of-approval-gif-21066931

[ashen spoke]

@tropic rock congrats on the new release, sounds like a major accomplishment

[pallid gulch]

Thank you !

[frigid dock]

I suppose if you're not sure about speed you could watch YouTube playthroughs on original hardware

[thin sky]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ipi_DpGnUlY

Real hardware of AvP

I have a real jag upstairs but feeling sick today, if I get up to it I'll see if it is full speed

[ashen spoke]

lol they had to choose that for the video thumbnail

[thin sky]

haha

[ashen spoke]

I hope you feel better, bro

[thin sky]

Ty, appreciate it.

[hollow epoch]

fullspeed for hardware AvP looks around 8-12 FPS

[verbal coyote]

I can smoke a cigarrette every time I turn around in AVP

It's frustating

[fallow salmon]

whats fixed today?

[sudden palm]

Iron soldier 2 and Barkley

[thin sky]

Sorry not great quality, checking the latest core on dual ram build. Sec

[ashen spoke]

Your setup kicks ass

Is that an NES rug?

[pallid gulch]

Last strike demo is still black screen.

[thin sky]

@ashen spoke throw rug, best friend got it for me last year. Love it.

[fallow salmon]

is that avp game related to alien trilogy on psx/pc/saturn ? they look very similar

[urban mango]

Isn’t this one of those that’s “locked’ to a GD or Skunk cart?

https://forums.atariage.com/topic/343051-last-strike-demo-rom/

[ashen spoke]

Nah, different game and developer

But, AvP for Windows, the one that came out in 99, is made by the same studio that did the Jaguar game

That one kicks ass

Or at least I remember it did lol

[mental briar]

It did in 99. Played the shit out of it. IIRC it’s essentially a remake of the Jaguar game

[ashen spoke]

I honestly didn’t know until I just looked it up and that’s amazing.

[mental briar]

They also did the 2009 game which was fine

[tawny warren]

quick q, is analogue out working in the single ram core? just tested on my mistercade and no output, but i'm not 100% sure i have the right bios

or if analogue out is even supposed to work 🙂

[thin sky]

Latest core on dual build id say it's very close to the real jag. If you enable turbo it's faster.

I have an OLED above my crt when I am better I'll have them both going and make a video

[mental briar]

I wonder if I should buy that gamedrive off of pork….

[thin sky]

Yes 😄

[tawny warren]

what analogue out method are you using on MiSTer for the Jag core?

[fallow salmon]

oh neat i played the heck out of that one its awesome

[thin sky]

@tawny warren direct video 1 in config, composite sync on, change sync on green to on and set color mode to component. Using a modified HDMI to VGA adapter that has a resistor in it. For my OLED in just have it HDMI to tv and turned off direct video 1 in config and set to RGB.

[thorny swift]

Another core eh. Glad I dragged my feet on the prev core lol

[tawny warren]

thanks, actually i just figured out i had the wrong bios file, now the core is working on my arcade machine 🙂

actually is nice to be able to boot some atari st games on the jag core on a 15khz arcade monitor, which is kind of troublesome on a arcade monitor 🙂

[thin sky]

Yeah it is awesome

My jag needs to be recapped so I'm super excited I can wait a bit , pita to find someone that can do it and I don't have time to mess with it.

[ashen spoke]

Load up fight for life on your arcade machine!

[urban mango]

Yes, I really appreciate not having to pull the hardware out, always seems a bit fragile. Not enough space to have things out all the time!

[tawny warren]

Will give it a go now :). just spent the last moments testing out atari st games :). Not all of them work but a lot of them do and they're glorious on the candy cab!

[tawny warren]

ok, old core it crashed a lot, downloaded the newest core and it keep on working, i'll upload my shitty iphone footage to yt in a minute

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAen4m4UGR0

[ashen spoke]

Dude that is freaking AWESOME

thanks for the video, I loved it

[tawny warren]

its late here so the video is dark, 2am 🙂

[ashen spoke]

Makes it cooler imo. Seeing that flow from the Atari letters is legit.

Also, that Jaguar logo looks right at home on an arcade machine.

[tawny warren]

i'm kind of surprised the picture doesn't jump around at all, other cores needed tuning by people to not jump around on 15khz arcade, like n64 and saturn cores

[pallid gulch]

yes ! thank you ! (I think it was for Iron Soldier 2 days ago when I read it !)

so it is normal !

[mental briar]

That’s so interesting. I wonder why it only works in a game drive or skunk cart.

[hidden blade]

WTF? Barkley takes 30 seconds to load ingame after the menu? I've see a lot CD games booting faster.

[warm oasis]

Is this just on the new core?

[hidden blade]

It works with the new core. After the menu and before going ingame you can play some kind of Pong.

[warm oasis]

Oh, I thought you meant the core loading the rom

[hidden blade]

It is that way. It's autoplaying pong while it loads ingame.

OK just loading the rom is instant of course

[warm oasis]

Yeah, I meant the loading bar on the core when you select a ROM. I thought you meant this was now taking 30 seconds, but before had been really fast

[uncut atlas]

that's impressively slow for a cart

[urban mango]

To prevent people selling clone carts AFAIR

[mental briar]

It’s wild that it doesn’t work in emulators either tho

[urban mango]

It does in BigPEmu which has a setting to emulate a GD

[mental briar]

ahh, yeah, on the forum post it says it doesn’t, but BigPEmu wasn’t out in 2022

it’s just wild that developing a jaguar in the year of our lord 2022 is already severely limiting your audience. but to develop a jaguar game that only works with bespoke 3rd party jaguar hardware is another level

[pallid gulch]

what is on the GD drive ? a PI or something else ?

[brittle zinc]

Cool news on the new core, sounds like it's really coming on now. @tropic rock what's different from the netlist? Intrigued if it was another bug that was patched in a later revision or worked around in hardware. Or a core issue that's been fudged 🙂

[copper creek]

The GameDrive is a flash cart that works on the Jaguar.

I have one and it is great!

[pallid gulch]

so maybe it is an fpga in it like other linker

thank you for the information

[gentle bobcat]

@tropic rock - I don't see you on the Patreon list. Any way to send you a financial "thank you"?

[hidden siren]

https://github.com/greyrogue/Jaguar_MiSTer/commit/921f3c809edbb5dba111d8833d8d9e6cf655cfd9 if that tells you anything..

[brittle zinc]

Not especially but there's obviously an additional condition those games look for. Maybe copy protection related?

[marble holly]

psh there goes the accuracy!

[gentle bobcat]

Taking a while to load might be they wanted to cut the amount of storage used by the ROMs (to be cheaper to make) so they compressed the heck out of it... and it is taking a while to decompress.

I doubt there is any cartridge-based anti-piracy stuff going on.

Alien vs Predator has an average framerate of approximately 15FPS.

Or lower: https://forums.atariage.com/topic/102168-why-are-frame-rates-of-jaguar-3d-games-so-low/

2D games are reasonable. Doom and Wolfenstein are not-too-bad. The only 3D game I know of that has great framerate is Battlesphere and Battlesphere Gold. They wrote their own engine I think.

Of course, they took like 7 years (part-time) to write those.

[mental briar]

Club drive is pretty good

It’s definitely 30, might be 45fps. My eyeballs are too old

But compared to everything else it may as well be 60

[gentle bobcat]

They also wrote their own shader.

Now that many of us are using other-than-original-hardware, and reproduction costs of the carts are less of an issue.... some devs are redoing games and making them twice the ROM size as they were before... and enhancing them. There has been a rebuild of Doom going on for a few years although it really hasn't been publicly released. I believe someone made a freeze of the game and made some physical carts out of it... as I do see a Doom II cart for sale on eBay... but the proper name of it is Doom: Slayer Edition or something like that. Adds music, enhances some of the textures and lighting affects, adds back the 2 or 3 missing enemies... and I believe it adds more levels. I wish they'd release it... but I think they want to do so with agreements in place with the copyright/trademark holders?

AvP is already a 4MB ROM. I wonder what the technical limit is? 4MB? Or if they could do bank select and have as much as they want?

Also, the opportunity exists to fix the "brokeness" of the Jaguar by modifying the hardware design. Give it twice as much RAM! I wonder what that might enable? I doubt it'd ever happen. In the computer cores it is fairly common to offer above-the-original-hardware options like more RAM, faster CPU, etc. In console cores, we have some that fix flicker (NES), offer better frame rate (N64 Turbo core), and offer all kinds of video filtering options including widescreen mode (PSX).

[warm oasis]

I suspect even with more ram either the games are locked to the amount of ram on the original system so won't make use of it, or things could get overly fast or weird with more as they weren't coded to make use of it

[gentle bobcat]

With the RAM access speed of DDR3 vs the Jaguar original hardware, probably less could be done even with a rabid dev in favor of it.

[hidden blade]

Alice's Mom's Rescue is a 6MB Rom

[gentle bobcat]

@warm oasis - Sure. I realize games would need to be modified.

[warm oasis]

-above is what would happen on N64 if you upped the ram, nothing for nearly everything, except Star Craft that would allow you to have more ships on screen

[gentle bobcat]

Quite a number of Atari ST games have been converted to Jaguar. I wonder how many of them are bigger? JackBlack just mentioned one that is 6MB.

[hidden blade]

A homebrew game though.

[gentle bobcat]

Obviously, not a lot of commercial games have source code available. A handful of Jaguar games had their source code released... although I don't have a list handy.

Probably much more possibilities if and when the DE25-Nano comes out. Not sure of the exact specs but it will likely have a faster clockrate, newer Arm CPU, DDR4, etc. More LUs but probably less than 20% more.

[still aurora]

once you exceed the capabilitiy of the stock machine or a variant that was available during the sale of the machine it becomes a fantasy console

[gentle bobcat]

Yeah, it would be nice to have a few fantasy consoles for MiSTer. New retro platforms.

[still aurora]

I strongly disagree

they have no place in my view

[gentle bobcat]

The 8-bit guy made a new hardware platform, but I think it probably would have fit on the MiSTer... and he could have used that.

[marble holly]

it would definitely fit, it uses a real 65c02 and some small fpga for video

im actually surprised no one made a commander x16 core

[gentle bobcat]

Fantasy consoles would definitely need at least a small community of devs doing stuff with them... and maybe that is asking too much... but a fella can dream.

I mean, there are quite a few fantasy 8-bit computers in FPGA these days. Commodore 65 (name?), Spectrum Next... and all kinds of hardware mode boards for 16-bit systems like Atari and Amiga.

[still aurora]

Same as those "Atari 2600" games that rely on a mdoern Arm processor to run at that point its not a 2600 game its an arm game using a 2600 video hw

[gentle bobcat]

Software emulators do it all the time.

[uncut atlas]

we have some fantasy consoles and computer that to the best of my knowledge nobody uses or is even aware of

because well, they arent useful

[still aurora]

Those arent a fantasy console in my defintion they are a modern system that juts happens to vaguely resemble a classic system

[uncut atlas]

you need at least one worthwhile game to make it useful

[gentle bobcat]

Like I said, if no one will or does use them, it was a waste of time.

[still aurora]

C65 was based wsnt it off a Commodore prototype

The Next is just a brand new system in a spectrum looking case

[gentle bobcat]

I think the Doom: Slayer guys are using the original hardware of the console... but spending more time with optimizations and giving themselves more storage space on the cart.

[uncut atlas]

I thought spec next was like somewhat backwards compatible

[still aurora]

it is to an extent

[gentle bobcat]

It's backwards compatible but adds a bunch of new hardware and speed and RAM and has a few new games that take advantage of the changes.

[uncut atlas]

sort of like an extrapolated evolution of it if it hadn't died out

[still aurora]

so a new system that just happens to have been made backwards compatible

[uncut atlas]

shrug

it has some games

[still aurora]

Alot of the "new" games are just advanced versions of the classics

Head over Heels etc

[gentle bobcat]

They 8-Bit Guy's machine, I forgot the name... I should look it up... is all new software. He wrote his own basic for it.

[uncut atlas]

I care about neither next nor the original

[still aurora]

Commander X 16

[uncut atlas]

I actually find the original to be a hazard

like if someone loads a zx rom i'm like "woah woah woah, are you sure you want to subject us to that?"

[still aurora]

The original was a ground breaking piece of Hw and led to many a SW developer being created

[gentle bobcat]

Commander X16

[granite oasis]

We wouldn't have GTA without the Speccy

[still aurora]

Of course the speccy was a mess with its lovely colour clash

[still aurora]

The original grand theft auto was on the C64

[uncut atlas]

I'm not seeing the downside

[granite oasis]

Well a lot of other good coders and game makers started there too like Rare. LOL.

[still aurora]

Rare were Ultimate Play the Game

and yes they made some great speccy games

[gentle bobcat]

Sarcasm is Kitrinx's brand. 🙂

[granite oasis]

Ashby Computer Graphics 🙂

[still aurora]

I still like Entombed by Ultimate on the C64

although it was too hard and unforgiving to play

Peak 80's gaming on 8 Bit

[granite oasis]

On fantasy consoles it's a shape no Pico-8. That one is pretty sweet. I know it's more of a framework than a hardware thing so likelyhood of a core is pretty low?

[still aurora]

its not a computer just a framework

same reason that Java games wont be around as that would need a core written just to support Java

[gentle bobcat]

The Towers II devs (a commercial game) came back in 2023 and refreshed it with several enhancements, mainly by spending more time on it and using a bigger cart (I think).

(Towers II, the Jaguar game)

[granite oasis]

I wasn't a C64 dude Tim but some geezers I know from back in the day are still making games for that. Trev just posted a wip video for the new thing they are working that looks like Crystal Castles

[gentle bobcat]

The Jaguar has a fairly healthy and active homebrew community, again a lot thanks to Hasbro making it an open platform. I wonder how many of those devs might be interested in becoming MiSTer users?

[still aurora]

well I still have problems understanding why people play ST ports on the Jag on FPGA. Surely you just fire up the ST core and play them as they were intended

[granite oasis]

Making SNES ports of NES games seems popular in last year or too as well.

*two

[gentle bobcat]

A Jag GameDrive is about the same price as a MiSTer Pi Turbo Pack.

[urban mango]

Some of the ST ports had tweaks like adding Amiga music etc

[still aurora]

and requires decaying Jag Hw

[gentle bobcat]

@still aurora - We have a ton of original arcades on the MiSTer and people still play ports on various consoles. 🙂

[still aurora]

Yep again something that baffles me

[fallow salmon]

whats the advantage of fantasy consoles vs just developing for a real one?

[granite oasis]

I have a boxed Jag with Doom... it might be time to let go of it at some point...

[fallow salmon]

we have a wide variety of cores from 8 to 64bit, why make up a new one?

[marble holly]

https://tenor.com/view/top-gear-jeremy-clarkson-james-may-richard-hammond-jag-gif-21660022

[gentle bobcat]

@fallow salmon - The most direct one would be to fix or enhance existing games. The hardware folks seem to have a half-dozen fantasy systems they have made a reality... but I don't know why they didn't do it in FPGA using a MiSTer. Many of them already use FPGA.

A Commander X16 costs $350 if you can get you hands on one... and the specs sound doable on MiSTer but I'm not a dev so I could be completely wrong:
https://x16community.github.io/faq/faq.html

(Getting way off-topic here, Sorry)

[marble holly]

@sly crypt was working on one, but it was quite a while ago

[gentle bobcat]

And you could call an enhanced Jaguar core, the Jag-U-Ar. 🙂

[brittle zinc]

It's nice to explore that stuff though. MiSTer is like a museum at home and I love that. For the nerdiest of us anyway.

[uncut atlas]

Jaguar 2

[waxen bough]

Panther

Jaguar 2 can be called Panhter

[gentle bobcat]

Aka Nuon

Panther preceeded the Jaguar.

[grizzled bloom]

https://youtu.be/fVUj52KMS4U?si=8Rp3k3QEFXgx7R_z

this is sorely missing on jaguar

[grizzled bloom]

How out of scope is the nuon for the de10? How powerful is it really?

Would you have to implement an entire dvd player in FPGA in addition to the special hardware just to get at the games?

[warm oasis]

I think pretty much, yeah

[grizzled bloom]

Too bad it’s the perfect system for a FPGA system. Rare, expensive and obscure

[warm oasis]

Are the players that expensive in the US? I thought there were models that were still pretty cheap

[grizzled bloom]

I’m not sure about the us, I can only speak as a Canadian

It’s a case of somebody is either throwing out what they think is a worthless dvd player, or the seller knows they have a nuon and it’s behind glass.

I think the controllers are more rare though

[gentle bobcat]

I have a Nuon player but no controller. I believe someone made a Nuon-to-USB adapter but I haven't picked one up yet. I think the games are DVD-based. There are only a handful of games... but yeah, T3K was one of them. .iso rips are on archive.org.

I don't know much about the Nuon hardware so I can't comment out-of-range it might be for the DE10-Nano. I think it is at least 1.5 to 2x the Jaguar.

[grizzled bloom]

How about… the hyperscan? 🤣

Now hear me out… tapto support for the cards though…

[gentle bobcat]

Nuon wikipedia page: "Four 128-bit 54 MHz or 108 MHz Nuon MPE (Media Processing Element) very long instruction word processors supporting parallel operations on (at most) 32-bit scalars."

[grizzled bloom]

I don’t know what it means really, but it sounds beefy

[gentle bobcat]

Well, I have a working remote control for the Nuon but a game controller, not so much... although the arrow keys and enter on the remote supposedly can work for controller input... but it is obviously terrible.

[still aurora]

The controllers can cost more than the player for a Nuon

and you need them as you cant play a Nuon with the DVD remote

[grizzled bloom]

What does the mouse option for the jaguar do? Is that for the homemade spinners? Or is it like for cannon fodder?

[gentle bobcat]

https://controlleradapter.com/products/nuon-usb

BTW, a Jag Pro controller is a reasonable Saturn controller. Has a super-set of the Saturn controller.

[grizzled bloom]

What a lifesaver, that reminds me of the Cdi situation where the controllers are stupid expensive too. Thank god for adapters.

[grizzled bloom]

Im playing jag with the m30 right now with the pro controller mapping. Works really well!

[gentle bobcat]

That Nuon-to-USB was in pre-order but is "sold out".

[grizzled bloom]

Now the adapter is rarer than the controllers it’s replacing lol

[gentle bobcat]

Songbird Productions has a Nuon adapter that goes to N64 controller. They have 9 left.

[vernal edge]

What controller does anyone recommend using with the Jaguar core?

I see Bitmapbilly is using the M30

I assume I don't need to worry about the numeric keypad buttons

how many games made use of the keypad?

Weird how the ABC buttons are reverse compared to oither controllers

[broken hound]

All?

[vernal edge]

oof

[proud wave]

Using an original NOS Controller (ebay) and Reflex adapter, works perfectly except my "3" button is iffy (controller issue, not adapter issue)

[vernal edge]

NOS?

[cerulean rock]

New old stock

[ivory basin]

there are some games that use the number pad, so mapping those to analogue stick direction and bumpers is a good plan

[sudden palm]

i use 8bitdo ultimate

and I much prefer to have a keypad assigned to the analogs than to use the original pad

[vernal edge]

I assume an Xbox One controller would work just as good?

[mental briar]

It should, yes

[proud wave]

Do these work with MiSTer?

[ivory basin]

oh shit, I might still have my 360 chat pad...

[mild karma]

I use the NTT Data pad for Super Famicom sometimes since it has the numpad…that said, I’ve yet to really play any Jag games that actually use the numpad

[hidden blade]

Avp e.g. , for selecting the weapons.

For ingame saving too.

[vernal edge]

Is that real or fake? Because I didn't know they made a chatpad for the One, I have one for 360 though

[hidden blade]

The D-pad looks like a bowl though. LOL.

[proud wave]

real as in 3rd party I guess

[vernal edge]

oh, I suppose that counts

[hidden siren]

Huh, similar attachments seem to exist for dual sense / ps5 controllers too; might be useful! Thanks for the suggestion

[gentle bobcat]

I second the new-old-stock Jag controller from eBay in conjunction with the Reflex Adapt. Working great for me... although my three button is my original and I have repro Jag Pro controller. I plan on buying 2 NOS Jag controllers in April.

[vernal edge]

Stuff like this you mean?

Old stock found in a random warehouse?

[gentle bobcat]

And yes, a lot of games do use the numberpad. Not all but quite a few. See the overlays image for an idea:

Yes, those NOS ones. 🙂

[vernal edge]

pretty expensive

[gentle bobcat]

Or you could carve it out of wood.

A new PS5 controller is ~$70. Jaguar controller nowhere near as fancy but they are ~30 years old.

[vernal edge]

Had I have known about MiSTer at the time, I never would've sold that Jaguar controller I found in my local thrift store

Now I know to keep alot of my OEM stock controllers

[gentle bobcat]

So, any way to edit the Jaguar MiSTer WiP Core Testing spreadsheet in Google Docs? It says read-only

[fallow salmon]

you can just use a dualshock and map the numbers to the analog stick directions

or any twinstick pad

[ashen spoke]

Ping moondandy for access

[slate spade]

Loving the single core test builds for Jaguar so far! Appreciate all the work. What's the proper channel to submit feedback on it?

[hidden blade]

Probably here, if issues arise.

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Jaguar_MiSTer/issues