Atari Jaguar

[golden flame]

Following Levity's issues, I have my own: black screen and controller disconnect when I load the latest Jaguar core on my new dual ram Mister Pi box. Memtest suggests both of my ram sticks are good, and Saturn dual ram works, but Jaguar doesn't even get to a Jaguar roar or anything. I have boot.rom in my games/Jaguar folder, also a newer MiSTer file on the root directory. Unsure what else I can test or do to see what's going on here?

[mental briar]

sounds like a bios issue. Grab this bios: #1055574003810578503 message

[golden flame]

@mental briar sadly that was my first idea when I looked through this channel. I renamed that bios.rom, put it into games/Jaguar, got same result

which I suppose is telling that two diff BIOS files got me to the same crash

[mental briar]

I think it's boot.rom

not bios

[golden flame]

er yes boot.rom

[mental briar]

weird, and you don't even get the jaguar logo on core boot?

[golden flame]

(sorry morning brain here)

correct, no logo, gamepad disconnect

something is full-crashing my MiSTER Pi. I guess I could test an older Jaguar core version?

[mental briar]

does it reboot to the menu core?

[golden flame]

nope, just freezes out

I was testing 11_13, I just found 11_18

so I'll test Jaguar_Rework_DualSDRAM_DV_JagLink_AshTest_20241118 rn one sec...

[mental briar]

the full crash makes me think something isn't seated right. Both ram modules are facing out yeah?

[golden flame]

yep both facing out. and Saturn dual-ram core works fine, as does memtest of both DIMMs

[mental briar]

yeah, but the memory tolerances here are a lot tighter because it's still early

@still aurora Is there a log file that mister generates that we can look at to see the cause of a crash?

[golden flame]

Good news, the 1118 core fixed it

[mental briar]

oh good

did you get filezilla'ed

[mental briar]

boot avp

that's the real test

[golden flame]

I do like this bios with misterkun as an edit

How far into avp to test?

[mental briar]

just pick a side and see if the gameplay loads

[golden flame]

I've got music but no image so far

[mental briar]

yeah, that sounds right. You need to go hunting for a version of the core that boots everything. like I said, the timings are super tight, so the same core can act differently across different misters

[golden flame]

interesting.

[mental briar]

I use Jaguar_Rework_DualSDRAM_DV_JagLink_AshTest_20241118.rbf on my misteraddons mister. I use Jaguar_Rework_dualram_20241113.rbf on my retrocastle mister. And I use Jaguar_Rework_dualram_20241114.rbf on my mister pi

[golden flame]

yep just seeing other chatter about those now, downloading and retesting... also how the heck do people map Jag buttons to modern controllers? I gotta buy a freaking numberpad I guess lol

[mental briar]

I use a keyboard

it's all digital anyway ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[golden flame]

welp, no matter, 1114 doesn't work either. same issue of crashing the entire MiSTer. only 1118 actually boots to the BIOS.

I wonder what specific frequencies I should test in memtest, to perhaps single out what's going on with my DIMMs?

[mental briar]

what are you using to transfer the core over?

[golden flame]

Popping sd card into my pc

[mental briar]

hrm

that's weird

[golden flame]

But yeah I'd love to confirm what else is worth testing with dual ram, either these cores or anything on Saturn, to make sure I'm not in RMA territory....

[mental briar]

nah, is the 1118 one the only one that boots? I would just drop them all into a _Jaguar directory in /media/fat/ and run through them one-by-one

[golden flame]

you mean like this? and then how do I run each one-by-one

[mental briar]

yuuup

and just dump these in it #1055574003810578503 message

[golden flame]

and then how do I boot them all if that's a different folder than _console

[mental briar]

You will have a Jaguar folder in your menu

in the same spot Arcade and Consoles are

[golden flame]

you sure that's not /media/fat/games/_Jaguar ?

[mental briar]

yup, putting it in /media/fat/ will put a jaguar folder right here

[golden flame]

(thx for the assists/info)

kk

yeah it's not doing that on my MiSTer menu

[mental briar]

show me /media/fat

[golden flame]

it just has a _Jaguar folder and a games folder; the latter has some CDi files

[mental briar]

on your SD card? it should look like this

those @ directories are Qnap abominations (because I'm syncing the folder to my cifs share) but everything else should be there

[golden flame]

ohhhhhh

yeah sorry I'm looking through Windows

didn't realize you were describing what I would call "root"

[mental briar]

Oh right, that is the mount point. I'm sorry

my bad

[still aurora]

Not that i am aware of

[golden flame]

gonna test all this stuff after dealing w/ real life for a bit!

[livid crow]

Hey Guys, quick Q - I just got a second 128mb ram stick from Retroremake, trying to get the jag core to work but i only get the bios screen

anything i'm missing ?

Using De-10 Nano Direct I/0 Build from Mister addons

SW 3 switched on

dual ram saturn core works

[still aurora]

what rom sare you loading

.rom files dont work

.j64 does

[livid crow]

oh really

okay

that's the problem then

lol

thanks man

[mental briar]

@ashen spoke Can you add to the Your Questions Answered section a bit about roms needing to be .j64? (I am not smart enough to know what that means in terms of format - but if you know that, you could add that too)

[livid crow]

sorry if that was a frequently asked question

[mental briar]

Oh don't even sweat it. it's come up a lot recently, and we don't explicitly say it anywhere. (and it will still come up because folks don't always read the pins)

[golden flame]

okay so! I have DV enabled. I think that explains some issues.

a few of the cores have "DV" mentioned in their names and all of those work. any without clear DV support crash my MiSTer Pi.

[mental briar]

yeah, you will need to use one of the cores labeled DV

still weird that you get a complete crash

but whatever ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[golden flame]

beyond that, only 1118 appears to load AVP enough to play its intro music and sequence in the background, even though it's a black screen. all others play just a smidge of the heartbeat and then freeze (but don't crash the system)

[mental briar]

try this (when you have time)

add [Jaguar] direct_video=0

to your mister.ini and see if that allows you to load other cores

[still aurora]

what is a DV core ? I have never seen that

[mental briar]

there a couple that Ash and soniccd cooked up

that should say direct_video=0 - sorry!

[golden flame]

@still aurora I have my MiSTer hooked up to a RetroTink 4K, and it works WAY better with DirectVideo enabled

[lucid oak]

should I make a merge request with the Dv enabling code?

[tall gazelle]

Yes please, I thought it might have been done 😀

[lucid oak]

ok then!

[ashen spoke]

Done, thank you

[spiral roost]

FYI, I don't believe you need to touch the switches with the latest board

[mental briar]

Yeah, if you have a 9.2 IO board, you don't need to touch the switches

older io boards (and boardless) need to flip the switch

[livid crow]

It was already turned on from my pre-built unit, but yeah, its about 2 years old now

And it worked, it was just the .roms

[spiral roost]

Now you get to experience the shitty Jaguar library

[livid crow]

I played a couple games…hahaha it’s premium jankyness

[spiral roost]

Rayman is good...that's about it really

[ashen spoke]

Well, for some it’s nostalgic and fun. But I can totally understand some of the games not being for you. It was certainly a time capsule of the fervor 3D had at the time.

[fossil lintel]

yes, that one person has nostalgia for that thing
probably has monthly meeting with that 3do and cdi guy

[ashen spoke]

Tempest 2000 is worth checking out.

[mental briar]

yeah, tempest is legit good

also, keep in mind that as good as the core is, it's still not running everything at 100%. things will get better

and there is a lot of runway for "better" :p

[livid crow]

Oh I love it, even if people regard it as crap. I enjoy any game for what it is…. I mean i have an R-Zone collection so…. Hahahha

Can we get an R-Zone core?

I’ll pay patreon

Lol

[fossil lintel]

robby will still defend it as being the bestest wearable lcd system by tiger

[ashen spoke]

Oh shit that is awesome

[brittle zinc]

Literally the best reason to play Jag. It was ported to other consoles but badly

Can't stop playing it when I start, not many games I can say that about these days

Is there any reason Jag isn't upstream yet? Just because it requires dual ram?

[mental briar]

It’s in a weird place right now. We have like 20 builds from around the same time, and none of them are “the best build”. There is also the DV fork, which I don’t think has been added to the main repository yet

[warm oasis]

It is a messy situation. Hopefully there is a fresh build released soon and that can be the one everyone tries (or a range of versions of it). The current situation is too confusing, I don't even know which one/ones to try any more.

[dusk slate]

Same. I have three builds on my MiSTer, and I know one of them plays AvP, but I always forget which one, so I need to test each of them until I strike gold! Still, it's really fun to test out the Jag core.

[ashen cairn]

Where is this build? I can’t find it…

[mental briar]

#1055574003810578503 message

[sweet pine]

has anyone had trouble getting p2 binds to work on the core?

[dapper light]

I have to imagine no way the final core would require dual ram right? I mean there are way more powerful and complicated systems on the MiSTer that run in single core so its just a matter of time and refining the core?

[dusk slate]

Not likely based on what has been said by everyone working on the core. It's not just about power when it comes to these things. Though I'm no developer myself, so never say never!

[still aurora]

No its down to memory bandwidth not system power. Devs have said its extremely unlikely to ever be single ram

[brittle salmon]

I am so confused... I copied all the Jag cores into their own dir for testing. Found one that worked with my setup - Jaguar_Rework_3164.rbf . Played AVP for a couple hours without issue. Moved the rbf file into the console dir and now i dont even get audio during startup... ?? Are the Jag Cores that finiky?

My setup is a DE10 Nano from Mouser. Everything else DualRAM with Digital I/O and RTC from MiSTerAddons. RAM I think is rev 2.9? Id have to crack open the case to verify. Everything purchased around Nov-Dec 2023.

USB devices - ASUS BT. ASUS WiFI. Rii Keyboard. 1tb SSD. I am using an upgraded PSU.

[mental briar]

Do you get the bios load when you load the core?

[brittle salmon]

Yes

Black Screen with Jag logo. RAR. ATARI and Cube.

[mental briar]

But then you try to load AVP and nothing?

[brittle salmon]

Mister Main is current unstable

correct

if i leave the rbf file in _console\Jaguar, then it works as expected tho

sorry _console_Jaguar

_Console_Jaguar

[mental briar]

wait, like right now? you have it in both places and it works fine in one folder but not the other?

[brittle salmon]

that is correct

i copied all the jag rbf files into the subfolder. tested them. then coppied the working rbf file into the console folder.

when loading from the console folder no joy. when loading from the subfolder it works. same file

[mental briar]

well that is fucking weird. what are you using to copy over? filezilla?

[brittle salmon]

yup. mac os.

so im not just losing my mind then

[mental briar]

And they are local on the SD card. you don't have them on a cifs mount or anything like that?

[brittle salmon]

local on sd

games are on usb

.j64

[mental briar]

those rework_xxxx.rbfs were created by Kuba to test ram timings iirc. I can't imagine why it would work in one folder but not another (unless it copied incorrectly, but I feel like we'd see other problems) Is that the only version of the core that works? Or did you find one that worked and stopped there? Do any games load from the _console directory core?

[brittle salmon]

That was the first core that worked with AVP. played it for a couple hours. DId not test the other cores. copied it to the console dir. no joy.

I just loaded Doom from the rbf in the console dir and it plays as expected

loaded AVP from the core running Doom, same result. BIOS loads, then black screen

core running Doom in the console dir

tested same in subdir, loads doom, doom plays. opens AVP. AVP plays.

[mental briar]

Dumb question: have you cold rebooted the mister since you copied it to the _console directory? (I wasn't clear on if you did the copy remotely or not)

[brittle salmon]

no

[mental briar]

just for poops and grins, lets try that

[brittle salmon]

cool

thats interesting...

ok

powercycled the mister

all testing from console dir rbf

opened core. BIOS loads.

open AVP.

black screen

open doom

dooms runs as expcted

open AVP from running Doom.

AVP opens, plays one cycle of opening cutscene then crashes

everything still works from the subdir

[mental briar]

So it sounds like this core is maybe like worn gears on a bike chain. Like...it's almost out of spec for your mister. Sometimes the teeth catch and you can make it run - you even have a way to start it from a specific position to guarantee it runs - but the reality is you should just replace the gears.

I would try one of the other cores.

Jaguar_Rework_dualram_20241114.rbf seems to be the one most folks have luck with. I use that one on my Mister Pi

Jaguar_Rework_dualram_20241113.rb is what I use on my retrocastle stack

and Jaguar_Rework_DualSDRAM_DV_JagLink_AshTest_20241118.rbf is what I use on my misteraddons stack

[brittle salmon]

Yeah, I kinda figured it was a RAM timing issue. Just odd that the dir change affects the issue. Il test the others and report.

[mental briar]

yeah, that's a new one for me

[verbal coyote]

Is the AVP frame rate correct compared to playing it on a real Jaguar? For me it feels almost unplayable 😅

[mental briar]

it's not correct, but it's also not that far off (I don't know how to tell you this but the jaguar was not a very good system)

[brittle salmon]

2014 - red screen BIOS boot. no RAR. open AVP. Black screen BIOS. RAR. Cube. AVP opens with sound, no video. Doom, Double Dragon V and NBA Jam all load and play.

2013 - Black screen BIOS boot. RAR. Cube, open AVP. Black Screen BIOS. RAR. Cube. AVP opens with sound, no video. Doom, Double Dragon V and NBA Jam all load and play.

correction. NBA Jam Locks up after starting a game.

2018 (this is the rbf Ive been using before testing to find a ver that will play AVP) - Opens to Black screen BIOS. RAR. cube. open AVP. Black screen BIOS. RAR. Cube. AVP opens with sound, no video. Doom, Double Dragon V and NBA Jam all load and play. This has been the normal behavior.

For now, Ill stick with the 1118 core (donno what i put 20 instead of 11 in thge last few posts). Its been mostly stable for me outside of a couple games. I got my fill of AVP for now when it did work for me.

I greatly apprechiate all the work that has been put into getting it this far

Q: Does the dir scructre affect the starting RAM state? like its expecting 00 at boot but but getting FF? I may be reaching, but maybe that would explain whats happening? I dont see how it would, but im not a programmer (used to work with them). Like using Tennis and the SMB world glitch?

[mental briar]

We are hoping the next release helps stabalize stuff. Both Grey and Kit made it sound like the last 80% of this core is going to be a real slog (on top of the giant rewrite Grey did), so we will see what happens

[mental briar]

That's a question for someone smarter than me. I have no idea what is happening. I am still wrapping my head around the idea that 2 cores compiled from identical code can differ in functionality

¯_(ツ)_/¯ computers

[brittle salmon]

no kidding. IT is about the only world where you can have 20 identical pieces of HW and have 20 differnt issues...

Its all good. Now to go play some games. Thank You for your support.

[olive pagoda]

Can the Jaguar core just not save yet or is Rayman having issues? All three files say Save Error and amusingly enough if you try to save on a new game it just changes the music to the game over theme-

[mental briar]

No saves yet

[warm oasis]

Do you have FileZilla set to binary?

[tall sequoia]

Please somebody that has the skills and technical knowledge please build some of those Jaguar Controller to USB adapters. I'm gladly buying one of you 🙂 .

[thorny swift]

Are there build guides / firmwares online?

[rain sierra]

There's a Daemonbyte fork. https://github.com/retrorepair/Retro-Controllers-USB-MiSTer/tree/master/JaguarControllerUSB

[thorny swift]

So just using the same pro micro job eh?

[rain sierra]

Yup

[thorny swift]

Hmm. Maybe if I’m bored in January I’ll try and spin up a simple pcb for it

I always want to “make” things for the community for sale but I never find the damn time

[rain sierra]

I'm sure it would be well received by people with DE15 connectors and pro micros lying around (me lol)

[rain sierra]

I hear that. I share the same sentiment.

Right now I'm procrastinating cleaning. 🙂

[ashen spoke]

The Reflex Adapter from MisterAddons has a Jaguar mode where you can use a Jaguar controller with the core.

For visibility I am friends with the proprietor of that site so while I’m biased I genuinely do use it.

[thorny swift]

Lies. You don’t have friends

(Porkchop sends me shit for review. But damn it does he make good stuff. 10/10 recommend)

[ashen spoke]

If people aren’t aware it’s looking very unlikely that SNAC will be supported on this core. While never say never, don’t hold out for it.

[brittle zinc]

Are there many peripherals aside from the Jag pad of interest? The code I wrote on the back of the daemonbite code is incredibly low latency anyway. Not sure it'll support a spinner in it's current state but if I had access to one of those controllers I could probably update it

That said, the columns/rows could always be multiplexed and decoded externally. Wouldn't take many extra components. With the core running so fast there's spare cycles for that

[ashen spoke]

Not really, no. Even the spinner isn’t official, a hacked in mode for Tempest 2000 that fans supported through an external mod.

The pro controller just remaps existing numeric keypad buttons to the X Y Z buttons

The Team Tap, allows for 4 players off one controller port. Might be interesting to replicate?

There’s also the Jaglink which allows for networked multiplayer but only three games support it.

[rain sierra]

Nice to have you here. Thanks for the Jag fork 🙂

[frosty pike]

I love pork chops products

I'm super stoked for this reflex adapter to arrive

Jaguar was a missing console in my museum back when I collected systems

[warm raft]

Guys, is Jaguar_Rework_DualSDRAM_DV_JagLink_AshTest_20241118.rbf is the only core that work with Direct Video at this moment?

[hot rune]

I would make some but I don't have a Jag controller for testing and the price of them now is silly

[mental briar]

no, there are…3(?) DV cores in that zip. I’d have to look but look for anything that says DV. Soniccd did one or two, and ash did one or two

[tall gazelle]

The Soniccd one worked for me with AVP, I must have tried the others, but only that ran that game .

[mental briar]

Do you have the file name handy for @warm raft? I’m not in front of my mister

[tall gazelle]

I'm sure that's the one..

[warm raft]

Hmm.. I have tested all available 4 DV cores, but all display black screen for AVP. No luck on that.
Rest of games is loading fine.

Jaguar_Rework_dualram_20241114.rbf load fine for AVP but too bad need to turn off DV for this. I'm using RTink4k btw.

I have tested 2 of my Misteraddons dual ram build.

[mental briar]

It really is just super sensitive to timings right now. Maybe ash or sonic can do another dv build and see if that one works for you

[ashen spoke]

The core working for anyone is a miracle. So if it doesn’t work for you then wait until there’s a more stable build available in the future.

Obviously we want the core working for everyone, but right now that isn’t the priority. So unless you use HDMI straight into your TV, you’re on your own.

[forest tartan]

I had AVP working, was chuffed to bits, every since it works, but only with sound, no visuals so I've no idea what's going on. I've tried all the rbfs that posted and can't get any of them for AVP to work, and yet one of them did! Or, the more likely explanation is, I'm going crackers.

[ashen spoke]

Yeah I’m sorry, it must be frustrating that the core is working for some and not others but that’s the way it goes sometimes unfortunately.

[dusk slate]

AvP in general is super iffy on any of the core builds. I was able to get it running on one of the builds, but not the others. So it's not surprising at all that it's giving so many people issues. If you get the game working, consider yourself lucky and enjoy!

[warm oasis]

Is the DV code the only thing that isn't in the last builds from Kitrinx and Greyrogue? I.e. if there was a fresh build from them that contained that then all the previous builds would be fully redundant?

[mental briar]

Maybe. Because the build is so sensitive, there is no guarantee the new build would work on all stacks. Some folks are using even older builds because they load AVP, while the newer builds don’t

I dunno if grey or kit have had time to work on this. The initial (re)release was a ton of work.

[warm oasis]

But in terms of features, only DV support is missing from their builds?

[mental briar]

I thiiiiiink so? I dunno what else ash was cooking up

[ashen spoke]

Ok so the Jaguar Pro controller apparently has L as numpad 4, R as numpad 6, and ZYX as 789, respectively.

[mental briar]

Wasn’t kit working on being able to map the analog stick to numbers? I thought I remember her mentioning that

[forest tartan]

It's all part of the fun mate, anyway, rome wasn't built in a day, I'm sure these celever buggers will get it sorted for everyone.

[rain sierra]

Been wondering about that mapping

[brittle zinc]

The 241118 core is my go to, though quite a few of them run AvP on my stack (Mister Pi megapack with a self built 32mb for second SDRAM via DV). I'm running composite, not sure if that makes a difference but it shouldn't

[brittle zinc]

I lied, sorry. It's Ash's 241117 build. The "nothing special edition" one. Plays everything I throw at it including AvP. Something must have regressed by 241118

[frosty pike]

ignorant Supa here --- do these work on the regular vanilla mister build... or do we need the Beta Mister build.... (sorry i forgot the term for the different MiSTer builds)

[mental briar]

Works on the current stable main (if that’s what you’re asking). But you need to have dual ram

[frosty pike]

Dual ram ✅
Stable main ✅

Thanks a ton!!!

[frosty pike]

Got to play with a reflex adapter and og controller for 5 minutes....

I will eventually conquer a title on the system... But wow.. I am so happy I didn't drop $350-400 on this console plus a multi cart a few years ago

USD**

[mental briar]

It’s such a cool little oddity. I’m glad I didn’t buy one when they were new (I bought one when toys r us was blowing them out for like 30 bucks - but didn’t buy any games) but I’m also glad I’m getting to experience it now.

I remember seeing ads in magazines for it constantly and coveting it

[frigid dock]

https://youtu.be/M_JQ5DTN1S8?si=d7MfsAm_pSb3tbmq

Instant follow for me lol

Is there any controller besides like... an actual Jaguar controller or one of those NTT Datapad things that works well for this core?

[ashen spoke]

I’d argue the Jaguar is kind of the only effective means considering the numpad overlays.

But then I’d realize I’m arguing dumb shit and just stop myself.

[frigid dock]

I was really hoping beyond hope there was a wireless controller solution even though I'm sure there's not lol

wait

I don't know about using it with MiSTer but what if you had a portable device with a touch screen and physical controls and it wirelessly linked with the device and showed the overlays on the screen lol

like a steam deck or other

[ashen spoke]

The Vectrex core has the ability to load overlays on the screen per game.

[frigid dock]

I'm aware!

[ashen spoke]

I think the overlays are a fun novelty but you can map your controller like the Jaguar Pro one with 1, 2, and 3 mapped to X, Y, and Z

[frigid dock]

oh man if only they had other controllers with an XY and Z

[warm oasis]

I am not sure how useful it would be, but someone could make .pdf images of the overlays and have those added as a help reference for the core that could be brought up like the manuals Alan added to some of the computer cores.

[frigid dock]

that would be pretty easy to make

in fact @warm oasis looks like they (some?) are already there:

https://emumovies.com/files/file/403-atari-jaguar-controller-overlay-pack/

[ashen spoke]

That’s smart

[warm oasis]

How many different overlays are there?

[frigid dock]

I also wonder this

[mental briar]

There are 33 on the hoskinson industry site. How many games are in the library? Can’t be much more than that

[ashen spoke]

Yeah, it’s not a whole lot

[frigid dock]

If somebody sold a complete set on Ebay it would be

[sterile moss]

$95 US dollary doos. Robby didnt bat an eyelid

[mental briar]

He knows what the ladies like

[sterile moss]

something something over-laid

[tall musk]

Not every game came with overlays. I don’t know the actual count, but it’s less than the library.

[proud wave]

Pretty neat idea really

AVP has one for each campaign

[tropic rock]

#test-builds message

[sterile moss]

Thank you, happy new years GreyRogue 🙂

AvP, Trevor McFur and Power Drive Rally all load for me (de-10, misteraddons old digital io setup with v2.9 RAM sticks)

[mental briar]

You beautiful sonofa

[rain sierra]

Thanks, Grey. 🙂

[glad flame]

Is it DV1 compatible?

[mental briar]

@thorny swift abandon your nye plans. There is content to be made

[thorny swift]

Haha not today Satan

I don’t have a MiSTer with me

[sterile moss]

Taki's portable cannot come soon enough. No more excuses

[thorny swift]

Full family war games

[mental briar]

I’m rocking this baby but as soon as I’m done…….

[tropic rock]

I havent merged the dv change yet. I dont yet understand why the changes are needed

[dusk slate]

A random Caturday!?

[sterile moss]

jaguary 1st

[mental briar]

Finally, it’s Barkley’s Shut Up and Tuesday.

Damnit I’m about to spend a lot of money on reflex adapt shit aren’t I

8bitdo is never gonna do a jag controller. What’s a boy to do

[rain sierra]

AVP finally boots for me with the new core. I have dual V2.4 128MB sticks of RAM if that's of any interest to you who is using the search feature 2 weeks from now. 😘

[mental briar]

Nice!

[rain sierra]

I too see some Jag controller eBaying in my future. I need Rysha to tell me how bad of an idea that is.

CPU Turbo feature in the Jag core is nice btw.

[thorny swift]

Better frame rates in AvP / Rayman?

[frigid dock]

The crossover I didn't know we needed

AvPvR

[rain sierra]

From 8 fps to 10 fps if I had to guess. 😂

That’s 20% gains!

[dusk slate]

Can't get AvP to boot in this build on my end. Still only able to get that game running on one of the earlier builds!

[mental briar]

Ok, first of all, grey you’re a hero. Thanks for continuing to iterate on this core.

Core boots the big three on my mister pi dual ram build (but, weirdly enough, AVP didn’t have sound the first time I tried it - but did after I had tried the other big ones)

Only sound in AVP on my retrocastle build, no picture. Trevor black screens and power drive freezes on the first credit.

I didn’t get a chance to try my mister addons build because the kid woke up, but here is what happens without the direct video code:

I’ll comment dv out to actually test it later

For reference, the code that Sonic and ash added for dv allow that version of the core to display on my direct video setup

[ashen spoke]

Pins updated

[golden flame]

same issue as TheJesusFish on my DV MiSter connected to my RetroTink 4K, it shuts the whole MiSTer down (same as other codes without DV-specific code)

which means I have to go and physically reset the MiSTer before it'll work again

but also happy new year!

[mental briar]

I disabled dv for jaguar and my mister addons stack had the same issue as the retrocastle: music in AVP, Trevor black screened, power drive freezes at the first credit screen.

[brittle zinc]

What I get over composite on dv on Grey Rogues cores. And same as the other guys, the mister menu locks up. Ash's dv core works great over composite on dv

[tall gazelle]

https://www.youtube.com/live/14_CDdOmNlw?si=jPDttyiYsiSQ_14y

Jaguar core with dev Mazamar, MiSTer single ram and Pocket.

[brittle zinc]

Just love it when a core comes out of nowhere. Great news, can finally then go back to my mezzanine analog card and ditch the 32mb. It's a mess of HDMI DAC and audio DAC cables at the moment just for this core lol

[hidden siren]

this is pretty exiting!!

[small sail]

It was a fun stream. Thanks @tall gazelle for sharing this.

Thanks to @tropic rock , @uncut atlas , @rotund portal for all your hard work.

[sudden palm]

For those to whom Alien vs Predator does not work, I have prepared a package with test cores. For me it works on one mister version v1, v2 , on the other mister v8,12,14

[tropic rock]

It would be interesting to know if the compatibility follows the memory, the fpga, or the combination

[sudden palm]

for me personally it makes no difference what sdram I use , the results are the same ( I only checked on de10 nano of 2019 )

fight for your life does not work for me every time , regardless of the compiled core

[forest tartan]

Well, 16 new cores, plus the 1 from last night..........that's me entertained for the next few hours!!! Thanks.

[tropic rock]

I did look at the dv1 change from soniccd123 but I was struggling with some things. I checked the three signals generating vresl and they werent changing so I dont know why he needed that change (maybe a certain game changes it at 1.08 seconds?). Also if the csync change isnt needed, I dont want to change it.

[rotund portal]

I will watch the stream later. I missed it.

[brittle zinc]

It would appear to be, from what I get with your core it does look like csync isn't functioning and I'm only getting vsync. I assume this is the same issue others are having with dv

[sudden palm]

on my other de10 the game works fine

[mental briar]

I guess Fight for Life is the new big dog. I am testing kuba's cores and several boot aliens vs predator, but crash after character selection in fight for life

[sudden palm]

v1 and v2 works perefctly with fight for life on my second de10

[mental briar]

yeah, none of the cores can get past character select on my retrocastle stack. will test misteraddons and mister pi later

[small sail]

It was fun. Maz is very chilled out.

[cerulean rock]

Watched a little bit this morning, exciting stuff. Great way to start the new year!

[mental briar]

yep, fight for life is the new big dog. i can’t get it to boot on my retrocastle or mister pi stacks, even with the old builds that boot avp

[brittle zinc]

Today's build with soniccd123's changes. AvP is giving me a black screen and audio with this one and fight for life seems to just crash after the first screen after the copyright. Full disclosure, using a misterpi with taki 128mb ram and a self built 32mb. Ash's "nothing special" build is still the only one that runs AvP for me

Tempeat 2k seems to run perfectly with this version though, full speed (or at least close to it) with turbo enabled

[forest tartan]

Tried all of Kubas cores, AvP works great on all of them, fight for life starts, comes up with the copyright, then the start screen, and crashes. Think I'll just keep the last out of all those builds as "best" for now.

[mental briar]

we are conquering AVP mountain, but the fight for life summit looms

[forest tartan]

Tempest also seems to work on those builds. @sudden palm May I ask, what's the differences between all of the builds? Is the last one, the "best" do you think?

[sudden palm]

#1055574003810578503 message , If they all work the same then it makes no difference which one you use. Different results after compilation give different results for people

core is very sensitive 😛

[forest tartan]

🙂

[mental briar]

this is the stuff about FPGAs that break my brain. Same exact code acts differently compile to compile

[forest tartan]

Tempest still gives me that "arcade rush" though. Nice.

[forest tartan]

I don't understand it either, makes my brain hurt, so try not to think about it.

[sudden palm]

for me it is amazing that every core works ok for you , in my case even half of them do not give good results with AvP

[mental briar]

same

[tropic rock]

The core is unstable because it is overclocked. We are telling the fpga to do things that are past its max specs.

[sudden palm]

I'm curious if if a lot of people get different results and the fpga is overclocked will it ever be possible to get a stable core for everyone

[brittle zinc]

Surely compilation doesn't affect stability though. Just the target's ability to cope with the overclock

[tropic rock]

The compilation does not generate identically every time. It is solving a travelling salesman problem so it uses different seeds to try and get better results

[forest tartan]

Also, the ST ports work now, they didn't before. 🙂

[small sail]

I've had success with ST ports for quite some time.

[desert wraith]

Is this the original controller?

[forest tartan]

They're a bit weird, they come in two parts - can't remember where I got them from, might have been the atarimania forum, some of mine aren't complete.

[small sail]

A friend hooked me up with mine. I have no idea of the origin.

[amber salmon]

Hi all! Anyone tried to use its original controller with this USB adaptert and the core? https://www.2600-daptor.com/Jaguar-daptor.htm

[mental briar]

I was looking at those but I guess they don’t make adapters anymore?

[amber salmon]

ah I see in home page... you're right! So what alternatives do we have?

[mental briar]

I think the only route is reflex adapt from Porkchop https://misteraddons.com/products/reflex-adapt https://misteraddons.com/products/hdmi-controller-adapters?variant=40250233487493

[amber salmon]

Thanks! Is it tested with MiSTer core?

[mental briar]

I believe @ashen spoke has?

[brittle zinc]

I'll just pop this here again: https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Retro-Controllers-USB-MiSTer/pull/1/commits/64da83191d6604bdf268e01f239c2e00a858a970

Total cost is less than a fiver, does require soldering though

[ashen spoke]

Sure have, works great!

[mental briar]

Right right! I forgot about your daemon bite adapter

[mental briar]

@amber salmon Another option #1055574003810578503 message

@tropic rock watching PCN's stream. It sounds like maz and you are going to share code between mister and pocket. is that right?

https://tenor.com/LPMk.gif

[amber salmon]

Soldering is not a problem for me, but soldering what? At the link I can see only the Arduino code...

[brittle zinc]

Pinouts are here: https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Retro-Controllers-USB-MiSTer/pull/1/commits/64da83191d6604bdf268e01f239c2e00a858a970#diff-009e21827394fa1ccf53fe13b8f8ff33192d4df1c5267ccc8488334e7e417000

[amber salmon]

Ok thanks! There are some images of the finale product?

[brittle zinc]

I don't have any but if you need help just drop me a DM

[mental briar]

so this boots avp and fight for life on my misteraddons stack

(which is my DV setup so thank you) 🙂

[brittle zinc]

Are you using the scaler or outputting to a CRT? I'm curious as AvP on my setup just gives me a black screen (though I can hear it running)

[mental briar]

using a scaler (tink4k) sound but no screen is pretty common on that game. means you're juuuuust off of working

do another compile

[brittle zinc]

Weird. May run timing optimization advisor run overnight to see if that helps

[mental briar]

when robert does an n64 release, I think he lets it run all day

[brittle zinc]

@tropic rock I've found just changing vsync = vvs and hsync = hs to work fine for me. The core has always given me a black and white image half the time over composite but ONLY changing those two things it works more reliably. Where it would have been black and white before it's now mostly correct colour, as if the vertical porches are a bit off if that makes sense. I believe looking at the original netlists vresl should not be omitted. I can't say if it's implemented correctly (it looks to me like it should really use vvs and hvs for vsync and hsync) but works better than before I think

[brittle zinc]

Yikes. Never really had to worry too much compiling before this core to be honest

[mental briar]

shit breaks my brain

[brittle zinc]

I've managed to compile one using the timing assistant thingy that plays AvP and Fight for Life just fine. Gave Ian a sound thrashing, not that he put up much of a fight. Man that game is BAD

[mental briar]

yes. yes it is. do you mind sharing the core here in case it works for others?

[brittle zinc]

Sure, I'd intended to, had to get some sleep. Keep in mind this one only uses one part of soniccd123's dv fix. If you could test it for me @mental briar that'd be useful.

assign vsync_out = vvs;
assign hsync_out = hs;

That's all I changed

But all games (exept iron solder 2, black screens after title screen) seem to work for me on my stack

Oh, @mental briar if you have an easy way to test non dv output with this build that'd be great. I think hsync and vsync are only used for analog output but better to be sure

[tropic rock]

Note that hs is already available as ~xhs_out in jaguar.v Does using it instead of vga_hs_n work? I prefer to make changes outside the netlist code where possible. Does vhs_out give the needed signal for verical sync as well?

[brittle zinc]

I'll test that and report back 👍

[brittle zinc]

Where should I change it? vga_hs_n is only piped out to tom in jaguar.v, or is it set up in a wildcard?

[tropic rock]

oh... It looks like those signals are not original to the netlists

I am less concerned about modifying them

[brittle zinc]

Oh ok, if @mental briar can confirm all is well his end then hopefully that should make future test builds a bit more accessible 👍

[tropic rock]

Does something like that work?

in jaguar.v

If that works without breaking anything I have no problem merging it.

The vsync is not the same as vvs in that case...If we need to vvs that would be less desirable but ok

[brittle zinc]

Vhs_out doesn't seem to be declared 🤔

Did you mean xvs_out?

[tropic rock]

yes

[brittle zinc]

No worries, it's compiling now so we will see shortly 👍

[tropic rock]

Great. If it works we can get rid of those added hsync and vsync signals completely

[tropic rock]

If not we will just go with this

[brittle zinc]

I suppose there's always a chance the machine translation made a mistake. The way these are assigned in the translated netlist don't seem to follow exactly the description in the original netlist, but then I'm probably missing something

[tropic rock]

https://github.com/greyrogue/Jaguar_MiSTer/commit/b0ee788dff09b17b57261cc31d2e0e5c678c76de#diff-ed54d619cf738d1a41b03587407dd0233bac6871c563d8ca58719aaff637f540

These are not original to the netlists

xhs and xvs are original but hsync and vsync are not

I would like to remove hsync and vsync if we can get what we need from xhs and xvs

[brittle zinc]

Oh sorry I meant vvs and hs in vid.v but yes will test the changes in a moment 👍

[tropic rock]

You mean hs and vvs look different than the original netlists? Maybe I made a mistake in the rewrite...

[brittle zinc]

I'm no expert, it may just be I'm missing something. It's the whole sync generation part really, seems to omit a couple of signals. I tested that build by the way, hsync seems fine but vsync is pretty unstable

[brittle zinc]

It behaves much the same as having hvs as vsync in vid.v

[sudden palm]

Avp works , fight for life crash

there is probably no ideal solution for now

[brittle zinc]

Hmm. Are you using turbo and set to ntsc? What stack are you running?

[sudden palm]

yes

I also use timming advidors etc, I've been doing this for a while now and no core works the same on my 2 Misters (de10 ) on which I test Jaguar.

[brittle zinc]

Is that RGB? I guess the image doesn't have any issues? Are you able to test non dv output? Just to make sure the changes don't affect normal hdmi output (though I don't think they should)

[sudden palm]

i tested on hdmi

[brittle zinc]

Using the scaler or with a dac?

[sudden palm]

de10 -> monitor. clean hdmi signal

I didn't test the core for dv performance just its stability on de10

The blue screen is when the fight was about to begin. Depending on the core, sometimes you can see the beginning of the fight, sometimes the game even crashes in the menu.

[brittle zinc]

Ok, just wondered really if using dv made any difference. It probably wouldn't, but I don't really have a way to try a hdmi display. Definitely be interested in someone else's results with dv

[ashen spoke]

I’ll have to check the latest build. Never had an issue playing either Fight for Life or AvP..

[sudden palm]

unfortunately a lot of people have problems

[brittle zinc]

It'd be useful to know if there's a common thread with certain hardware. Misterpi, original de10, misteraddons ram, retro remake ram etc

Though I suspect it's luck of the draw considering how critical timing is on this core

[sudden palm]

I tested some sdram memory on a de10 nano and it had no effect on the performance of avp or fight for your life

I would rather focus on the fpga itself since the core is overclocked. I have problems on de10 nano of 2019 , on de10 of 2022 these games work ok

it can be a lottery

[brittle zinc]

A lot can factor into it I guess, if you had different results with two de10 board using the same ram etc it could potentially be a lower tolerance on the fpga. It's like CPUs, not every CPU can reach Xghz when OC'd

[sudden palm]

Yesterday niallquinn tested the 16 cores I uploaded and every one worked for him with AvP , for me only 5 🙂

[brittle zinc]

Do you know if there's a difference in the brand or speed on the on board DDR? May be worth a look. On your two also

[sudden palm]

never checked it

[ashen spoke]

Yeah, I wonder if there’s consistent hardware specification that’s causing it.

[sudden palm]

I tried overclocking for ddr but it didn't change anything

[brittle zinc]

There has to be really, it's tracking down that common thread

[sudden palm]

I accept that my fpga is weak, somehow I will have to live without this great game that is Fight for Life 😄

[mental briar]

If you still need me to test, I should have some time later today

[brittle zinc]

Yes please 👍

[forest tartan]

I was using normal de10 hdmi if it helps. I'll try retros build tonight, see what fight for life does

[ashen spoke]

Oh hey, Fight for Life isn’t working for me on the newest core posted by GreyRogue

[hidden siren]

do you have a source for affordable and reliable arduino's for this? Do you use ali as a source for them? They seem 10-ish eurobucks here in the Netherlands/Europe

[brittle zinc]

I'd just get them from ali to be honest, will end up mich cheaper but otherwise they're on ebay if you hunt around:

[brittle zinc]

Have you tried the v2 core I posted above?

[ashen spoke]

Oh no I haven’t, I can do that now.

[ashen spoke]

Only tested in Fight for Life but it performs worse for me. Unlike with the previous core I tested, the game’s main menu won’t even load for me.

[brittle zinc]

Crazy. This core works better than any before for me on my mister pi stack with 128mb+32mb. Guess there's no real rhyme or reason. Are you going straight hdmi or using dv?

I may run timequest on it and let it run for a day or so to find the best routes

[ashen spoke]

Straight hdmi and I’m also doing 128mb + 32mb

[brittle zinc]

I assume the cores in turbo mode and set to NTSC? Do you have the ability to test dv? Still wondering if that changes anything

[mental briar]

I think it boots for me in normal mode. I turned turbo off because I wasn’t sure if that was causing a problem

[forest tartan]

Right, with @brittle zinc core, fight for life get's further, copyright, title screen, then the music starts playing for a few seconds, then it crashes. Standard de10, hdmi, 128meg and 128meg.

[dense ravine]

Sounds like you need to beef it up to 2x 128mb

[forest tartan]

Weird, if I press start quickly when the music starts, it let's me chose character etc, but then crashes when the game should start. @ashen spoke Try that, press start or all the fire buttons. See what happens on yours.

What it looks like happens is, the screen looks like it get's overwritten by something it shouldn't, as if something is overwriting the video memory. If video memory exists on the jag. But if you know the Spectrum, how loading screens where at 15384? If you overwrote it, the picture got wiped, from the bottom upwards, it's exactly like that.

[mental briar]

the crash usually happens when it starts trying to render polygons

[brittle zinc]

That's interesting

[mental briar]

I need to confirm when I’m back home

[brittle zinc]

I'm running 128mb and 32mb and everything works

[dense ravine]

I was just teasing Robby. It wasn’t a serious suggestion 😄

[forest tartan]

@brittle zinc Using standard settings, NTSC and Normal, I've not altered anything, should I?

[ashen spoke]

Oh I didn’t have it in turbo mode.

[ashen spoke]

Ok you’re right, mashing the buttons got me into the main menu. Which is great news since that means consistent behavior from the older core.

But yeah, it goes to a black screen and audio cuts out when the round starts.

I had turbo on.

[forest tartan]

Same here.

Turbo on or off, doesn't seem to make any difference.

[ashen spoke]

I wonder why it worked for me on an earlier build.

[sudden palm]

please check v1 and v2 #1055574003810578503 message

[ashen spoke]

🫡

[ashen spoke]

So V1 didn’t work for me for either AvP or Fight for Life. AvP was just a black screen and the audio quickly cut out.

V2 didn’t work either but for AvP the into audio kept playing even though it was a black screen.

[sudden palm]

for me they work perfectly on the second mister , I tested fight for life for 30min , this game is so amazing 😛

[ashen spoke]

lol it’s amazing alright

Yeah I’ve got no secondary MiSTer to test it on unfortunately

[sudden palm]

I wonder how qmtech is doing with core

I'll check right away

[ashen spoke]

Going back to the build GreyRogue posted two days ago and Alien Vs Predator loads and works just fine for me. The UI corruption I had on previous cores is also gone. 🥳

[desert oar]

https://www.timeextension.com/news/2025/01/atari-jaguar-is-coming-to-analogue-pocket

Is this an other DEV ? Single ram for Mister too

[brittle zinc]

For me, with v1 AvP did the audio and kept running but black screen. FFL got to title screen then crashed. V2 all works perfectly. Seems like my system is slightly more tolarant of the overclock from that observation. Be interesting to see if that's consistant with other users. IMHO v2 should work better than v1

[ashen spoke]

Yeah Mazamars. Nice of them to support both platforms.

Maybe he should work on Neo Geo Pocket next. 👀

[mental briar]

I think they are working with grey

No no, Robby. I don't want to spoil the video

but Maz said 2 words that will make you happy

[ashen spoke]

Is it virtual boy? I was given a hint a while back 👀

[mental briar]

it was, in fact, virtual boy

[ashen spoke]

Haha nice, I kept that a secret

[mental briar]

they apparently did a bunch work on it before 2024

2025 is going to give us a fixed raizing core, a finished(?) saturn core, more cdi improvements, more jaguar improvements, and maybe virtual boy? Seems like it may be an ok year

[forest tartan]

Tried v2 core, FFL starts game, select characters, then hangs when the game should start. This is so weird.

[brittle zinc]

Better than all of that, CD-I !

[brittle zinc]

Ok, what did v1 do for you again? How's AvP on them?

[forest tartan]

v1 AVP works fine. They all did for me, so I kept v16. Assuming we're all using the same romdumps?

[mental briar]

omg i forgot about the cdi

[sudden palm]

https://tenor.com/view/jackie-chan-meme-what-confused-huh-gif-9211712295268335918

[mental briar]

i haven't had coffee yet

[brittle zinc]

When you say v1, do you mean the fist one I posted?

[forest tartan]

The 16 versions that Kuba posted.

[brittle zinc]

#1055574003810578503 message

How does that one do?

[dusk slate]

If you know anything about 3DO, you must tell us! Better yet, inject the information directly into my veins!

[brittle zinc]

I guess it is just random then. I may run a v3 to see if the video code is messing with anything though at this point it'd be hard to tell

[forest tartan]

Hangs when about to go ingame on FFL.

[forest tartan]

If Sherlock Holmes, existed, he would say "this is indeed a 3 pipe problem". It's so weird and random! Thanks to all devs for trying though, it's interesting stuff.

[brittle zinc]

So same as v2?

[forest tartan]

Yes.

[brittle zinc]

@@tropic rock this is what I was worried about, it does seem to affect hdmi. @mental briar does it always resolve itself? It does feel like sometimes it misses a vblank or something. I need a new scope

[brittle zinc]

Ok, that helps. How does AvP run between the two

[forest tartan]

AVP is fine on them.

[mental briar]

I'll futz with it some more to see if I can get it to lose sync entirely. I've only noticed it on vsync_adjust=2 so far

[brittle zinc]

Ok interesting. Consistency is good, v2 should be better but the same is ok lol

[brittle zinc]

I've left vsync_adjust on default so not sure if that'll make mich difference, be interesting to see if it does though

It nevwr loses sync completely for me but as I'm on composite video, it does sometimes lose colour. That's one reason I like composite video for testing, it's less forgiving with sync. I do kinda remember the real Jag finding sync as it started though so could be normal. I don't think the core has exact video timings yet and adding the analog video elements may be a side effect

[mental briar]

on my super finicky display at my other desk, it actually synced fine (I was going to take the video there and couldnt reproduce the sync issue)

That display is set to adjust=0 though’

Seems to be holding sync fine. Letting avp just loop in the background so I can hear if the audio cuts. Booted into game too and no issues. It’s just on the core/game load. I don’t get the hear the jaguar roar

[brittle zinc]

Yeah I hear the roar being an analog display

[mental briar]

Yeah, holds sync fine. played some tempest

[forest tartan]

I played it last night on the Jag, really enjoyed it.

[brittle zinc]

T2K is THE Jag game IMHO

The ports weren't the same

[warm oasis]

Great to see a new core for this. Is that all the eeprom game saving in now?

[warm oasis]

@small sail what is the scoop on this mazamars core?

[small sail]

Hi moon,

I imagine the single SD RAM version will get released before the Pocket version.

Most of what I know was discussed during the stream.

I'm thrilled it's working on single though.

[warm oasis]

Is this a port of the current core or is this not using the netlist?

[verbal coyote]

The Alpha version of AVP is weird and creepy AF

[waxen terrace]

There is a single RAM Jag core in the works?

[tawny warren]

yes on PCNs stream he had the dev on, and it seems to be working

they played many games on it

[waxen terrace]

That is awesome, I been stuck at work a lot recently so I been a little out of the loop on the cores that are coming

[small sail]

Hopefully it'll be released sooner rather than later, I'll try and keep y'all updated via YT.

[marble holly]

He said he’s using greyrogues cleanup of the old core

[still aurora]

I wonder how then he has made the memory access issues go away. Kitrinx and GreyRogue are very experienced devs and said they found no way to make the memory work using a single stick

It would be interesting to have an interview with im as a video without all the playing of games. I am not really interested in watching a game being played I just want a technical discussion of how its being done

[ashen spoke]

I’ll believe it when I see it, basically. I’m rooting for the dude of course as the more people who can be punished by enjoy the Jaguar, the better!

[marble holly]

He said he shared all of his findings back so I assume someone is tinkering with it as we all type

If it works, it’ll be the Impossible Port

[mental briar]

I messaged him on the side offering to help test if he needed it. Haven’t heard back, but I assume that’s because discord hates telling you about DM requests (and he probably has loads of them).

[marble holly]

yes

[brittle zinc]

PCN has a copy, they were playing games on it on the stream. Looked pretty stable, save for the odd graphic glitch

[brittle zinc]

He's been around for a long time, he was working with FPGAs before even MiSTer was a thing

[timid snow]

That’s crazy if they really managed to get a single RAM build. I watched the video and it looked pretty good. I think they only played AvP, but they mentioned they’re trying to get the CD games working too in the end

[warm oasis]

It was a fun stream, but I wouldn't get too excited. Let's wait and see what GR says. It is likely less stable than the dual ram, and the garbled menus could be a sign of lack of not enough bandwidth because there isn't the second ram chip. Potentially exciting, but let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

Exciting to hear Vector Star Wars Arcade is nearly done, never played that.

[mental briar]

and don’t forget ||Virtual Boy||

[void quartz]

Soccer Kid (USA) doesn't seem to work yet at all. Red screen of Jaguar death on boot.

[mental briar]

Yeah, that still doesn’t boot it seems. This hasn’t been updated for the latest core (maybe I will do that this weekend) but you can get a good idea of what was booting ok https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1sQCMOA5qBsIpLPPkCMn3Z0FSxr4p4RhZB1TMZLeMF8Q/edit?gid=0#gid=0

[dry cedar]

Mazmars is a very experienced dev.

He reworked the minimig core for pocket

I do wonder however what sacrifices were made to fit it in single sdram

[tropic rock]

Flip Out, Space War 2000 and Soccer Kid all worked for me

At least the World versions

[void quartz]

Sorry…I meant the world versions…..Hmmm…my Soccer Kid (World) runs in BigPEmu just not the any of the Jag cores currently.

[uncut atlas]

I really wonder in what aspect the metastability is failing for things like AVP on some hardware

like which signal is borderline

in all the reports, they are all borderline 😅

[brittle zinc]

It'd seem at least that the cores I've generated, the one with more fitter effort works better for people. Or the one (of two) that works with everything with my setup works better or the same than the earlier one for everyone that's tested it so far. It's not random, it's just a timing issue somewhere. Needle and haystack come to mind

[marble holly]

I grabbed whatever the latest core is and fired up AvP not even knowing it was problematic and it worked great

I mean the game sucks but I had no issues playing it

[serene widget]

Hopefully it's also the year of the 3DO core.

Still missing.

[mental briar]

just have to find a dev excited about it

Like Slamy and the CDi

[serene widget]

Yeah.

The fact that Cdi exists is amazing enough.

[mental briar]

absolutely wild shit

[uncut atlas]

3do could be seen basically like the harbinger of the end. If you see that core appear you know shit is going unfold like the last book of the Narnia series.

[serene widget]

@uncut atlas A "last battle that is practically lost"? A pyrrhic victory?

[uncut atlas]

eg Ragnarok

Götterdämmerung

[serene widget]

The last of the failed gods.

But like someone said here, a Virtual Boy core doesn't exist yet.

So the failed gods still exist.

[uncut atlas]

Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!
Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes...
The dead rising from the grave!
Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... MASS HYSTERIA!

[serene widget]

And 2025 has barely started. Can't wait!

[sterile moss]

who ya gonna call?

[uncut atlas]

Sorgelig

[serene widget]

ElectronAsh

[sterile moss]

he does like saving millions of registered voters.....

[mental briar]

tell him about the twinkie

[fresh urchin]

Dogs and cats living together

Bah, was beaten to the quote

The walls of the 53rd precinct were bleeding….

[ashen spoke]

That’s what I say when I stub my toe

GOTT DAMN UNNNG

[rain sierra]

So you're telling me PC-FX has a chance. I read ya. 🙂

[fresh urchin]

Einbahnstraße!

[uncut atlas]

I think pc-fx is likely before 3do

and super a'can

possibly FM Towns Marty

[rain sierra]

Oh Lawd!

I think it's a conspiracy to drive up the value of Mr. Bacon's 3DO collection.

The Impossible core!

[ashen spoke]

What about Virtual Boy 🙏🥺

[mental briar]

she said before 3do, not next. KEEP THE FAITH

[uncut atlas]

im not sure we'll ever see that

[ashen spoke]

😭

[uncut atlas]

maybe in the next life, robby

[ashen spoke]

👻❤️🖤

[warm oasis]

You so rarely hear anyone talk about Super A'can and FM Towns Marty here. If Furrtek keeps documenting those chips, and now that one is in Mame, that one is getting increasingly more doable.

Not sure if Puu-san's FM Towns work is going to ever prove fruitful enough to get a proper FM Towns Marty core, that would certainly be a great system to get.

[uncut atlas]

oh no, i've attracted moondandy by leaving out obscure systems on the counter without covering them

[mental briar]

do you want moondandies? because thats how you get moondandies

[rain sierra]

You let out the sweet scent of the obscure.

[uncut atlas]

"do you want moondandies? because thats how you get moondandies"
-TheJesusFish 2025

keeping that one

[warm oasis]

LOL!

A trail of overly conditionally formatted spreadsheets left behind at the scene

[mental briar]

lovingly crafted

[ashen spoke]

Holy poop, theres 638 games for the fm towns Marty

[mental briar]

thats a lot of rows

[uncut atlas]

it's not the size of the library that matters

[ashen spoke]

Lots of visual novels

[mental briar]

finally.

[ashen spoke]

Eggroe

OH JESUS

[uncut atlas]

(fish)

[ashen spoke]

NOPE NOPE NOPE IM OUT

[warm oasis]

The FM Towns computer has even more and can play the Marty games

[uncut atlas]

moondandy

what's you #1 top favorite game for the marty

you have 20 seconds to answer

[ashen spoke]

Mine is Ed Bogas' Music Machine

[mental briar]

a classic

[uncut atlas]

That's what I thought.

[warm oasis]

Hah! Never played one, I looked intro buying one years back but were are crazy expensive even before the COVID retro boom

Been years since I watched a load of videos on the library but that one was a beefy system that had a decent number of arcade ports on it, a bit like x68000 but later

[rain sierra]

It had a 386 or a 486 in it didn't it?

I must admit that my interest in that system waned after Splatterhouse got a JT arcade release haha. It was pretty much seen as a console for just that game to me.

[ashen spoke]

The second best game is Traffic Confusion

[warm oasis]

What did I write about this one years ago on the forum...

Very rare outside of Japan was Fujitso’s consolised version of it’s FM Towns computer system, the FM Towns Marty. Released in 1993 it boasts nearly 600 games, although the system is very Japan centric and many games not English friendly, there are a lot of gems on there. Puu san, who has done the initial cores of the Japanese computers x68000, PC-88 and PC-98 is currently working on an FM Towns core, which is essentially the computer version of the FM Towns Marty. Assuming he pulls it off, then some of the western devs here take what he has done and get it running well on the MiSTer, then adding support for FM Towns games should be very doable into the core, possibly even trivial as an FM Towns computer can play FM Towns Marty discs. However, I would not expect to be playing FM Towns Marty games on an official MiSTer core for a couple of years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FM_Towns_Marty

[mental briar]

sounds like something doc brown yells occasionally

[warm oasis]

I think the ODE for it was called Doc Brown, wasn't it?

[rain sierra]

Looks like a very capable 2D machine

[tawny warren]

386SX CPU, thats gotta take a lot of space up on the FPGA

[warm oasis]

Best to think of this one as being like getting an early/mid 90s PC-98 core, it's a similarly complex Japanese PC at heart.

[dusk slate]

Robby making the ultimate sacrifice for Virtual Boy! Yusss!

[oak bronze]

Using Misterpi, it works on v8/v12/v13 for me.

[mental briar]

AVP is old news. Booting into a match of fight for life is the new gold standard

[still aurora]

Playing anything but Tempest 2K is the sign of deviancy

[ashen spoke]

BRUH, Club Drive? HELLLO

[mental briar]

I believe you could argue that playing anything on the jaguar is a sign of deviancy

[forest tartan]

Club Drive, is a like a tragic version of Micro Machines! Terrible gameplay.

[ashen spoke]

We stan for Club Drive up in here!

Wait, my agent says I’m the only one who stans Club Drive

[forest tartan]

Took me 10 minutes to get up the ramp!

[ashen spoke]

I know it’s terrible but I unironically enjoy it lol

[wheat moss]

Greetings, do you know if the Jaguar core is compatible with takiudon's mister pi? Thank you very much.

[ashen spoke]

Sure is! I tested it with a batch 2 MiSTer Pi with dual sdram.

[wheat moss]

I'm a bit of a noob, sorry, I've put the rbf file and also the BIOS, but it doesn't load. Could you help me to know which files and in which folder to put them? Thanks

[ashen spoke]

No problem! First thing though, do you have two sticks of ram installed?

[wheat moss]

I have 128ram, dual RAM means 256?

[ashen spoke]

Literally two sticks of ram.

Ok so the Atari Jaguar core will not work for you unfortunately.

It currently requires two sticks of ram

[wheat moss]

Ooook, So I have to buy and install another RAM stick like this one?

[mental briar]

unless your desire to play is immediate, you may want to hold off as there is a single ram version of the core in the works

[grizzled bloom]

Would the snes datapad with all the extra numeric keys be sufficient to play all the jaguar games?

I’m just curious if there’s any oddball examples where they make you do movement using the numpad like night stalker on intellivision where you control directions with the numbers

[uncut atlas]

i've only seen it used to activate weapons and stuff

[ashen spoke]

Yeah, AvP is one of them. Maps strafe to 7 and 9 I think

The Jaguar Pro controller has the top row of buttons mapped to 7, 8, and 9 with L and R mapped to 4 and 6.

[warm oasis]

I would seriously not hold your breath for that. We need clarification from GR, but it is very likely this single ram core is less stable and been tweaked/hacked to run some things but at a cost. We don't know yet.

[grizzled bloom]

The cost being not having to shell out money for an extra io board and ram stick 😅🤣

[grizzled bloom]

Whoa you have a pro controller, aren’t those things stupid rare?

[warm oasis]

More that things will not work or be more broken than on dual ram

[ashen spoke]

Nah I don’t, I just read up on it.

https://forums.atariage.com/topic/284002-games-that-benefit-from-the-pro-controller/

[mental briar]

I have a reflex adapt and jag cable in my cart. Just going to take a moment of weakness

[still aurora]

you need the Stick

they are not cheap anymore

then you will try and buy the overlays for another 90 odd

[frigid dock]

I didn't know you got a MiSTer Pi

[mental briar]

He got it so he can spy on his friend with Tailscale. Real devious shit

[frigid dock]

So what's the status on work on this core is it officially active development or is it more like "eh let's clean up a couple things"

[vernal arrow]

Batch 1 MiSTer Pi and SDRAM + Batch 2 SDRAM: AVP works on v15only for me.

So weird that it varies setup to setup

[mental briar]

I believe it’s in active development. We don’t have a saturnday (as much as I think “Barkley’s shut up and Tuesday” is a real good release day name), but the core is still being worked on. Wasn’t a one and done.

I think Maz and Grey are working together on it. Maz working on pocket and GR on mister.

[frigid dock]

Oh good that's awesome. Last I knew it was some low hanging fruit or something but I'm excited that this core might actually reach maturity

I'm not familiar with GR but thank you whoever you are lol

[still aurora]

Grey Rogue

[mental briar]

Fucked by autocorrect

[still aurora]

the guy who did the netlist cleanup that restarted the core

[grizzled bloom]

Haha I knew what you meant I was just joking

[ashen spoke]

Bootsector had an extra and was extremely kind to sell it to me at cost. I had it for a couple of days and set it up for my friend as a Christmas + Birthday present.

[frigid dock]

what a great gift they're lucky to have you as a friend!

[small sail]

It has Pi in the name. How could he resist 😂

[frigid dock]

Oh shit you're right

[thorny swift]

lol some days it feels like I’m the only one ever talking about Marty

[dusk slate]

We all think about Marty.

[mental briar]

I don’t want to take the controller out of my cib jag. Do we know if these “new” jaguar controllers on eBay are legit? Example: https://www.ebay.com/itm/296275725646?gQT=2

[mild karma]

far as I heard, they are? I think Robby bought one?

[ashen spoke]

Yeah it wasn’t used

[mental briar]

Ordered one.

Now I need to come to terms with inserts

It’s not cycle accurate without inserts

[brittle zinc]

Is there a source of good scans? I've seen a bunch on google but they're all pretty poor res

[mental briar]

https://forums.atariage.com/topic/315325-any-sources-for-jaguar-overlays/#findComment-4715776 I think that’s where the person who sells them sourced them

[tropic rock]

I find myself wondering if its possible for the scalar to add static pics to the side of the screen. Then one could load an image of the overlay and have it on screen

(on hdmi)

[mild karma]

that’d be pretty cool

[uncut atlas]

alexey has always said even simple stuff at those clock speeds was very costly and it was a waste

I added a mario block pattern to the sidebars once and he gave me one of his patented speeches

[warm oasis]

#test-builds message

New build 🙂

Now, what does "Move cart ROM to sdram" mean in practice? Any improvements in stability?

[sterile moss]

the usual suspects: no video in AvP and Trevor McFur doesnt load with Jaguar_Rework_dualram_20250105.rbf, OK under Jaguar_Rework_dualram_20241231.rbf

doom continues to run well

[tropic rock]

huh. AvP and and TMcF worked for both Kitrinx and me with that one. I was hoping it might be a lucky build.

[uncut atlas]

the way avp fails is too deterministic

music with no video or not

that cant just be metastability

[sterile moss]

yeah, ive had very good luck with AvP under your builds Grey

[uncut atlas]

it looks like the graphics processor crashes too when there is no video

[sterile moss]

cold rebooted etc but no go, OK under previous core

[uncut atlas]

mine is clearly more stable than grey's

[sterile moss]

mines an early 2022 de-10, 2.9sdram from porkchop
have a bit older de10 but its in an analog setup

[tropic rock]

I was hoping for more stability with the change. Moving the cart rom to sdram means the ddram is no longer being used, so there are no longer small delays when linux is using the ram.

[sterile moss]

if it'd help to test anything on my 'fussy' setup, let me know

tried stock bios instead of my modded one, reset settings, no change

[forest tartan]

Test build by GR in test builds if you're not aware.

[dusk slate]

I'll have to try out the new build tomorrow morning!

[dry cedar]

Thank you kitrinx and Greyrogue

[ashen spoke]

Kitrogue

[mental briar]

I will futz with this later today. I assume the DV stuff hasn’t been merged, yeah?

[tropic rock]

No DV yet. My first simplification didnt work. I did update the hsync value. https://github.com/greyrogue/Jaguar_MiSTer/commit/addd3e635979287754f1a43f9785e0a31e1c6496#diff-94d0d43a758d69f1063d1534aac87dc7c98aad8e29d51b233df2f839e577bee9R839

If changing the vsync to vvs is the only other change and it works without breaking anything I will merge that. See #1055574003810578503 message

[mental briar]

ahh ok. I did try the dv core that retrorepair built and it seemed fine everywhere. the only visual difference (aside from DV) was that displays lose sync briefly when the core boots if you have vsync_adjust=2 enabled (so on initial load, loading a game, etc). Once it gets sync back, it’s fine #1055574003810578503 message

it’s fine on my misters that have vsync_adjust=0

[brittle zinc]

Just trying to get a decent compile and I'll pop up a version with the vsync "fixed"

5th go so far. I may do some analysis at some point this eve or tomorrow to see what the best seeds and routes are.

[mental briar]

New build loads AVP fine on my mister pi. fight for life crashes when it trys to put polygons on the screen

[brittle zinc]

I'm running dse to see if it can find optimal seeds. Probably going to take a while. Hopefully will help create better paths anyway. Because it's overclocked the slack is reallly poor

[frosty pike]

I got one, can confirm

i always weanted to buy a Jaguar.. so ebay keeps be abreast of any and all jaguar stuff

so when the core started up again, confirmed the reflex coudl use it.. and got one

its legit.. new.. i dunno. it just came in a plastic bag.., but it workrs

and it is in fnatastic condition

[mental briar]

Perfect. I grabbed one too. The xenomorphs stand no chance now. I have 12 buttons, they don’t even have eyes

[vernal arrow]

Dang you guys FOMO'd me. I just bought one too.

[frosty pike]

Spoiler alert

It sucks lol

[mental briar]

C Y C L E A C C U R A T E

[ashen spoke]

There were type of Jaguar controller variants to avoid. I forget which one.

The letter in the back tells you which is the crappier second revision ones.

[dense ravine]

Great, now you tell everyone!

After everyone’s bought new controllers

Are the ones to get the ones that you happen to be selling on eBay for a 4x markup?

[ashen spoke]

[rain sierra]

Need moar deets!

Glad I saw this before I picked one up lol 😂

[dusk slate]

Finally tried the build that was posted last night, and AvP works on my end with it! 🎉

[ashen spoke]

https://youtu.be/3nwB6iVGTxk?t=12m30s

Avoid black keypads

Avoid B revision

Avoid thin cables

[frosty pike]

I'm sure the controller suck regardless ... It's not the buttons or lag or false clicka...

It's hand feel

It's bulky and awkward, and I haven't had time to do an over lay ...but I'm sure that's next level suckness

[ashen spoke]

Yeah it’s not good regardless but the cheaper controllers have a worse dpad.

[frosty pike]

Whew....I gotta G....

As in .. O....G

Recognize

[ashen spoke]

lol half of the listings were for B controller variants.

Well the controller in the listing’s image showed a B variant, dunno if they’re all B from that lot he listed.

[rain sierra]

Maybe I should just stick with the NTT data pad haha

[ashen spoke]

I would, since you already own it

Can you map those extra buttons by using an adapter?

[rain sierra]

Yup. Daemonbite supports it as well as Reflex adapt

I do like authentic experiences with controllers, but if the overall experience is not great even with the good revision I suppose I can skip it. Thanks Robby. You talked me out of wasting $60 🙂

[ashen spoke]

the only thing you’d be missing are the overlays but as much as I love them in theory, they’re really not very good in practice. You’ve got to constantly look down to see which button to use and in that case you’re better off just memorizing which button does what.

Also that’s a bunch of extra money too

[tawny warren]

if you really want overlays theres repros on ebay too

[ashen spoke]

Yeah I buy from this dude - https://hoskinson-industries.myshopify.com/collections/frontpage

He’s a good guy and ships em quick

[frosty pike]

Noooo Robby you failed....IF ONE OF US DOES SOMETHING DUMB ..WE ALL MUST DO SOMEHTING DUMB.....

Tldr ...
Buy the controller. It's great

[vernal arrow]

As long as it sucks as bad as the LRG CDi controller Ill be happy!!! Part of that authentic experience, lol. 😂

[mental briar]

Are you implying that my Jaguar experience will not be improved by this controller?

Tell Grey I want a refund

[brittle zinc]

DV build of the latest. This one for me works with AvP but crashes on FFL a bit after the 3d intro starts. Took much longer to get a working build this time. Like 15 or so vs 2 on the last go. All I've changed is replacing hvs with vvs to vid.v

[tropic rock]

If this works for everyone (interested in video compatibility, not game compatibility; eg hdmi, dv1) then I will merge the one line change for all future builds

[mental briar]

I’ll test it on my screens when I get home

[mental briar]

Yup, looks good on my side still. As before, if you're using vsync_adjust=2, you lose sync briefly as the bios loads (if you commit these changes, no one on adjust=2 will hear the jag roar again) but it holds sync fine after that. Have let games run for 20+ minutes without a sync drop. I imagine that if any games have resolution or refresh changes, you'll lose sync briefly again.

would be good if someone else can test so it's not just my jank that is confirming this :p

[void quartz]

AVP boots but its corrupted video on my end w/ the 20250105.rbf

[mental briar]

yeah, retro's rbf gives me an AVP load screen where half the graphics are corrupted. But it plays - holding on for dear life

[mental briar]

Lol, yep. Holding on for dear life

[tropic rock]

Ok. I think I will add an option temporarily in the OSD and default to vvs with hvs an option. Then we can test if swapping fixes things like the Alien screen

Next build I do will have it

[brittle zinc]

I've had this on several builds. AvP either plays a few heartbeats then crashes, plays music with no video, has corrupt tiles as in the image above or runs completely fine. It's a compilation seed issue rather than an effect of using vvs

[brittle zinc]

Quartus really struggles to find paths for this cores clocks. What's your compilation process @tropic rock ?

[thorny swift]

capturing new core. AvP is solid. Testing fight for life now

attract mode is working. Capturing that for a min before trying to go in game

Got a full match in so that was...an experience

[mental briar]

time to go pro

[thorny swift]

Rayman next to see speed then done

saving is in now too right?

[sudden palm]

yes

[thorny swift]

bingo. Today is day one back in office for me so I need to catch up

slowdown on Rayman def diminished a bit

[mental briar]

running in turbo mode?

[thorny swift]

stock first, turbo now

will be good comparisons to make

[tropic rock]

I sometimes change what I have enabled in the stp file. Might just be placebo, but changing things like that seem to result in different results more than just building again

[brittle zinc]

One thing I'm struggling with a bit, if we are overclocking the core, how come the megadrive (or genesis, I'm not sure which atm) runs at 107mhz? Is it just the number of paths it has to make vs the clock?

[tropic rock]

yes. You can see the number of paths exceeding the max for the clock if you use the timing analyzer. Negative slack means it cant do everything in one clock according to spec. Of course I am assuming that is the issue. Maybe it is something else, like an uninitialized register...

Technically we are also slightly overclocking the sdram, but people have said changing sdram modules doesnt change behavior, only changing fpga boards does. I think I have ruled out the ddram as the core no longer uses it.

By overclocking on the sdram I am referring to specific timing requirements, not the clock speed

[brittle zinc]

I've had better results with a 128mb and 32mb than those with x2 128mb so I'd suggest it's likely more related to the fpga, though you've made massive strides to optimising it

My 32mb is hand made by the way. I had the bits in a drawer since 2019

[mental briar]

lovingly hand crafted

artisanal sdram

[mental briar]

I don’t think that is a reputable vendor

[brittle zinc]

I didn't even have a hammer 😕

[frigid dock]

everybody has to start somewhere

[ashen spoke]

Yeah, I do a 128mb + 32mb combo too

[frigid dock]

https://tenor.com/view/whew-hot-sweating-james-mc-avoy-gif-16074872

[brittle zinc]

You wish you could get this far #FFLFOMO

This literally never stops

[frigid dock]

The seizures from that video never stop

[brittle zinc]

Unless you press A. I'm not gonna

[ashen spoke]

I gave the game an honest shot and I see someone finding some charm in it.

[spare idol]

Hey all, just to confirm, the majority of this conversation pertains to a Dual RAM core right? I'm guessing based on PCN's video from the other day, any Single RAM core comes later? thanks.

[ashen spoke]

Dual ram only until told otherwise

[spare idol]

Ok thankyou very much.

[ashen spoke]

single ram is not a guarantee either, but we are very hopeful

this core is a beast

[vernal arrow]

Temu

[spare idol]

I really do hope it is possible on the single RAM, especially since I can see all the passion and effort to bring it upto snuff. I do have 2 Mister's but silly me chose single RAM for both.lol

[brittle zinc]

Less headache inducing? I'm still watching him fry. It's kinda therapeutic

[frigid dock]

Much better lol

[brittle zinc]

Game: Push A to stop the torture. Me: no

[tropic rock]

I am reasonably certain I could get current performance with single ram, but I am still trying to get read timing to meet real jag hardware (write timing already matches real hardware). That might not be possible with single ram.

[brittle zinc]

Is Mas's core not performing well then? Seemed like it was running similarly to the current dual ram core in the PCN video

For those using composite by the way (probably just me), here's the lines to add to yc.txt :
JAGUAR_60.1=37002795150^M
JAGUAR_50.1=45835499975^M

[mental briar]

I can’t tell you how excited I am that you’re invested in this core, grey. Thank you

[tropic rock]

I thought I recognized it running slower than my changes made it so I was going to try a slightly different method. I really probably ought to verify what his does...

[brittle zinc]

I'm willing to do some testing if needed. I noticed AvP had similar graphical corruption that we saw earlier today, so I don't think much is different in terms of compilation efficiency

[mental briar]

It feels like that graphics corruption is part of the larger problem with AVP. Like you have a range of AVP boots

1. boots to black screen
2. boots to music but the music cuts off after a heartbeat or two
3. boots to music but no video
4. boots to video but the video is super corrupted
5. boots to video but there is minimal corruption (character select)
6. boots fine

Fight for life is similar.

1. crashes on first credit
2. gets to menu but crashes (with video corruption) at the menu
3. gets to menu, but just plays music after transitioning to gameplay
4. gets to menu and shows gameplay (game is playable at that point too)

It feels like gears not quite catching until something is juuuuust right. Then they catch and the car runs fine

The gears on fight for life are smaller than on AVP

[brittle zinc]

The way I'm seeing it is each build works how it works and each de10 can handle the extremities to one degree or another. The core timing needs more work and I don't think there's much more to it than that

[thorny swift]

I give the game credit

It TRIED. That’s all I ask in a shit game. I mean they got textured polygons on Jaguar in a game that’s fast enough to be playable and you can tell they put effort in

[frigid dock]

how do you feel about tasers in Syphon Filter

[ashen spoke]

Yeah, even tried to do something new with stealing movies

I can’t hate on it

[mental briar]

My reflex adapt + jag cable has shipped. My atari jaguar controller has shipped. S Y N C H R O N I C I T Y

[frigid dock]

That happened with my first MiSTer, I ordered the build from porkchop and the case from mister fpga UK and somehow they arrived at the same time

[last crater]

https://tenor.com/view/ateam-plan-together-i-love-it-when-hannibal-gif-15826333

[ashen spoke]

more like S Y N C H R O N I S H I T T Y

[mental briar]

only because it’s a b variant!!!!

[ashen spoke]

fml

[warm oasis]

£310 for a boxed Jag in CEX

$388 USD

[waxen terrace]

That is cool

[forest tartan]

That's not bad, especially for CEX. They tend to go for 400+ on Fleabay.

[glad blade]

just a heads up, the last 3 posted jaguar rework cores posted under test seem to crash my mister

i have previous jaguar builds that work okay and run avp

but those last 3, something about them

dual ram setup, de10nano

io-direct

these last few rework builds make it so i cant even bring up menu to reset

have to hard boot

[warm oasis]

That's odd. Do you still have an older build on your SD that is playable?

[mental briar]

are you using direct video?

[glad blade]

Yeah i believe so

That's a no go right?

[glad blade]

Yeah, I have a fewbolder builds that work

One runs avp

One doesnt

Thise all run other things fine, direct video from mister

But i grabbed the 3 most recent builds off test and they are not even booting

No jaguar logo

[warm oasis]

Ah those don't have DV in them

[glad blade]

Okay, that answers that

Appreciate the insight

[warm oasis]

Someone posted a build with DV enabled

And sounds like GR will merge the one line change into his next build

[sudden palm]

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[glad blade]

No worries, I just got a replacement io board and did a shotgun download of unstable nighties I missed over the lady couple weeks

[mental briar]

Yeah, grey’s core don’t yet support Direct Video. Your mister didn’t crash, it was just sending information to the tv that it didn’t understand

[glad blade]

That's good to know, I looked a bit wonky when it failed to lock in the video signal

[ashen spoke]

HAPPY JAGUARDAY!

[warm oasis]

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[ashen spoke]

[fallow salmon]

new build hype

[mental briar]

fight for life boots on my retrocastle.... could this be the build?

misteraddons also has polygons in fight for life....

will we go three for three with the mister pi?

[ashen spoke]

Hell yeah Fight for Life works for me too!

[mental briar]

We will. Amazing work Grey!

[thorny swift]

Losers. I had it last core

Or am I the loser because I played it?

[mental briar]

Oh man, barkleys shut up and jam even boots. Crashed after the licensing logo, but I don’t think it has booted before

[tropic rock]

FYI, speed should be better. I have never used a real Jaguar, but slow down on Rayman is improved (gone?).

[grim ferry]

“Change vsync for DV1” - change it to? Normally it’s set to 2 for RT4K. is that what we should use?

[fallow salmon]

amazing work

[tropic rock]

Wait what year is it? Build is a failure!!

[fallow salmon]

was some trickery required to meet those timings?

[mental briar]

It works without changing anything

There is a menu item to disable it I think?

[tropic rock]

Vsync option in the menu can put it back to hvs. Might remove the option eventually

[fallow salmon]

think that was more of a change note not an instruction

[tropic rock]

It should default to vvs for dv unless you have a weird save config

Trickery was required. I had to pregenerate a signal to start ram reads before the console asks for it. I know I can do single ram with the old method. Current faster method is unlikely for single ram

I would have to generate the signals two cycles earlier. Not sure if they can be pushed that far back

[mental briar]

Man, my controller and reflex adapt don’t come until Monday.

Grey, what’s most useful to you now? Testing games? Or do you have something you’re focusing on and testing stuff wouldn’t be helpful until that’s ready?

[ashen spoke]

Flip Out! doesn’t load for me

[tropic rock]

It bothered me. Reuploaded with 2025 date

[ashen spoke]

Also I had to check online for Kasumi Ninja to see if Angus’ stage has broken music. Nope, it’s really just that horribly grating lol.

[tropic rock]

Flip Out works for me

Testing games is fine for now.

The Ram timing was my major thing to do. The next important thing is probably trying to figure out why some games dont work.

Now that Ram timing is correct I can rule that out as the issue with remaining crashes

[fallow salmon]

sounds like a major breakthrough

[tropic rock]

Wasnt sure it was possible

[ashen spoke]

Ok great to hear!

Pinball Fantasies has a weird audio distortion in the main menu, at least when compared to this footage - https://youtu.be/KeGzpjSy3pM

[tropic rock]

Cycle accurate is now reasonably likely if all bugs can be resolved. Starting from netlists makes that a reasonable goal, even if I dont get it there myself

[ashen spoke]

I was wrong on Flip Out! It loads for me but after the initial text it gets stuck with some corruption on the left-hand side.

[tropic rock]

Flip out has glitches on the left side for me. Probably should be in blanking or overscan. But I get in game and enough to know the game isnt for me

[ashen spoke]

Thanks for reconfirming.

[tropic rock]

Pinball fantasies does sound weird to me if that video is correct.

[ashen spoke]

Yeah, not sure how accurate the video is unfortunately but the main menu does sound weird. Kinda spooky. 👀

[tropic rock]

Frequencies are wrong somehow I think

[ashen spoke]

Power Drive Rally seems to get stuck for me on the initial text display or right after it disappears. I’ll try rebooting to see if that helps.

I’m loading games from MGL if that matters.

[tropic rock]

PDR works for me

[ashen spoke]

Ok my roms must be bad lol

[tropic rock]

No. it is probably instability

[ashen spoke]

Ohh ok

[tropic rock]

Actually just tried it again and it failed this time. Reloaded the core and it worked again

PDR and AvP and TMcF are the least stable for me

[ashen spoke]

I’m getting a new 128mb 3.0 ram from MisterAddons next week to replace my older ram (I think it’s 2.7). Maybe that’ll help.

[tropic rock]

I always test them before uploading a core

[ashen spoke]

What’s TMcF?

[tropic rock]

I am using an old 128 and a 7 year old 32

Trevor McFur

I rebuild until those three run for me

[ashen spoke]

that’s awesome

Love this core, you’re kicking ass!

[tropic rock]

crc32 Power\ Drive\ Rally\ (World).j64
1660f070

cksum Power\ Drive\ Rally\ (World).j64
92161330 2097152 Power Drive Rally (World).j64

cksum is better because you can run it on mister so ftp errors will show up

[mental briar]

It begins (with copilot)

Well that’s. First. Fight for life boots but AVP doesn’t. Let me grab the correctly dated core

Nope. AVP crashes here :/

[dusk slate]

Oh snap! It's Caturday again already!?

[mental briar]

I’m gonna start marking things in the spreadsheet as “ready to be compared to original hardware” because a lot of these games are running real good

[broken hound]

Same here, Fight for Life works, but AVP shows a black screen while audio runs.

[mental briar]

AVP is back on top of the compatibility mountain. The return of the king

[mental briar]

ok, made it through C. Some regressions, a lot of stuff is ready to be compared to real hardware

[dusk slate]

Yeah, sadly AvP goes from working to not working back and forth with each core build. Last build it worked on my end, this build it doesn't again!

[mental briar]

yeah, a couple of weird regressions too

cybermorph doesn’t load for me at all

it was completely playable

[dusk slate]

Yeah, it's why I always keep the last few builds on my MiSTer for cores that are still a work in progress.

[remote pecan]

Hi all,
New here but am testing new cores on Mister Pi 2nd batch once they appear.

With the recent core, Flashback - The Quest for Identity stopped working for me displaying a black screen after the Jaguar logo. Any other core since November that I tested had no issues with running it.
Fight for Life is now playable.
AvP is back to weird colours in the menu, but is playable. The same issue affects PDR.
TMcF has weird colours in both the menu and the game itself.
Flip Out! works for me, but depending on the ROM, the border on the left-hand side of the image is more or less expressed.
Pinball Fantasies has sound distorted in the menu for me as well.

Hm, Flashback loaded once I attempted to start Wolfenstein 3D, got a black screen with weird sounds in the background, and then reloaded the game.

[brittle zinc]

One way to find out 🙃

[brittle zinc]

AvP and FFL work great, as others have said Cybermorph has weirdly stopped working completely. Flipput gices me the "another quality game by..." screen then nothing

Glad to see DV working though, saves me compiling these 🙂

[urban mango]

This has been the most compatible build so far for me - Mutant Penguins gets into game which I don’t remember having success with before. Flipout I can get to gameplay with, has the glitches on LHS. Thanks grey

[remote pecan]

Cybermorph works for me, but only one of two roms.

[stoic jewel]

AvP, FFL and Cybermorph works perfectly at my side. Same issue as you with Flipput

[brittle zinc]

What's your rom name for cybermorph?

[stoic jewel]

Cybermorph (World) (Rev B).j64

[brittle zinc]

Ah, I was trying rev a. Will try b

[rain sierra]

AVP black screens for me on this core. I can still hear audio but there’s no picture and the game doesn’t accept button inputs beyond the BIOS.

[grim ferry]

Same here

[hidden siren]

Bit off-topic for a sec if I may: how's that keyboard treating you? Have been eyeballing it myself too 🙂

And ofc: GREAT work Grey and all others involved!!

[mental briar]

It works pretty good for what I use it for (which is literally just the mister). Seems like a well built piece of kit. Using it for the jag core because there are so many buttons

[sudden palm]

can someone check how it works ? for me avp, fight for life and the rest works ok on two Misters

[midnight robin]

Double RAM required with this one too, right?

[sudden palm]

Yes

[midnight robin]

ok, I won't be able to test by now... Still waiting for replacement RetroCastle I/O boards

[mental briar]

I’ll take a look when I’m home Kuba

[keen zealot]

Same, I will be at home within the next hour.

[grim ferry]

Same as yesterday's core for me. No video or input on AVP. Sound only

[sudden palm]

Thanks

[grim ferry]

sure thing