#Atari Jaguar

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rotund portal
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Got the new-new maths thing working for the DC slideshow renderer. Sort of.

mental briar
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I am ready

rotund portal
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But I need to have a serious think about where to go with the project next, if at all.

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'cos there are almost no other devs actively working on it, AFAIK.

mental briar
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Well you and no pants mcgoo at supersega

rotund portal
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I have had tons of help from the likes of skmp and Falco, but they've been heavily stuck into the GTA II DC conversion and many other projects.

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I guess the next step would be, seeing if the new logic fits on the FPGA, with the 32-pixel speed-up added.

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Probably not, though.

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Considering the old code (although very inefficient) said it would need 227% of the FPGA. lol

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Then I should really try finishing more of the TA (Tile Accelerator) core.

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This past week of working on the Jag / CoJag stuff has reminded me of how much it SUCKS, trying to debug by doing multiple Quartus compiles.

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Than long turnaround time is a serious killer for motivation and incremental work.

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It's hard enough remembering six or more different things about the code, and then having to wait 17 to 19 minutes for a compile. lol

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Basically, I need to be more honest about my own limitations, and try not to get quite so obsessive in one go, and get burnout again.

ashen spoke
rotund portal
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I need to build the new DIY AVR boards, new GD Emu, new Dreamcast Too mobo.

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Ironically, writing the renderer / slideshow thing, was often not as hard as working on the Jag core. lol

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OK, I take that back. It took me months, to even wrap my brain around the basics of how the DC renders the tiles.

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Grey and Kitrinx got the Jag core so much further recently. I think once the timing issues are sorted, and games like AvP working reliably, there might not be a whole lot else left to do.

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Maybe some speed-up tweaks can be done, as I actually think the Dual SDRAM is enough now.

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(ie. faster than how some of the games set the DRAM timings, from what I've seen.)

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So next up, I guess Casio Loopy, or Apple Pippin?

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And don't even ask about 3DO. lol

ashen spoke
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Loopy elmorise

rotund portal
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Last time I tried this, I couldn't even remember how I got a demo to "boot" to the title screen.

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It never really got too much further than that.

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Stupid sexy Flanders... I mean SWI Overrun.

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thorny swift
uncut atlas
rotund portal
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PC-FX is too... Esoteric for me.

thorny swift
rotund portal
uncut atlas
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i've been in montreal all week

rotund portal
uncut atlas
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but if grey doesnt beat me to it the first thing to try is rom in sdram

rotund portal
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I was I was in Montreal all week.

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Yeah.

uncut atlas
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you was you was?

rotund portal
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I was tempted to try that a few days ago, but thought better of it. lol

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Never been to Canadialand - always wanted to go.

uncut atlas
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it's pretty much like america but with less money

rotund portal
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It always looks like the streets are very clean there, at least on Linus Tech Tips. lol

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lol

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The UK is supposed to still be a "financial center" of the World, but the public rarely gets to see that money.

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I can't really complain, to be fair.

uncut atlas
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the UK?

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how so?

rotund portal
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Dunno. I'm sure there are Trillions tucked away somewhere.

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Or so they say.

thorny swift
rotund portal
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Please don't talk about Poutine. lol

thorny swift
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Joe Beef is great. Another joint called Nora Grey. Atwater Market is legit. As is an Italian grocer “Milano”

rotund portal
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I love cheese on chips/fries, but the thought of cheese curds. ugh

dim sundial
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They melt in the gravy, they're waaaay better than you might expect

ashen spoke
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POUTINE I LOVE POUTINE

rotund portal
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Possibly. I've just always seen videos of Poutine dishes, and imagine it smells like feet?

dim sundial
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You put up with it for a good poutine

rotund portal
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lol

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My diet is pretty bad overall. It consists of quite a lot of cheese-on-toast, or Chicago Town mini pizzas.

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I made pasta and sauce the other day, which was "healthy" in relative terms.

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I say "made".

thorny swift
rotund portal
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Me - trying to work out if I doxxed myself in that photo.

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I used to be a better cook. lol

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Got far more lazy as I past 40.

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Trying to remember if I ever had anything booting on 3DO.

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Or if it was just a figment.

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OK, so it was fixes to the Zap ARM core that got it further.

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But I haven't been able to get that running again, at least from the copy on this PC.

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The furthest I got before, was showing some title screens of a few demos.

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And starting to show some sprite markers.

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Which was actually the "bouncing blobs" part of the BIOS.

glad flame
uncut atlas
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not really that simple

thorny swift
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Same CPU but it’s not like a Lego part. One system may use instructions the other doesn’t, how it addresses the cpu and moves data from the cpu / ram / video chips can all be different

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It’s like painting a house. Someone came and did half of it for you. But there’s still work to be done because you’ve gotta paint the other half

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That being said one having a core would aid in the other getting one for sure

ashen spoke
warm oasis
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Yeah, so maybe if someone did the CPU for VB and they just made the CPU to work for that system and not implementing the unnecessary parts (I think this is how Robert works for example) then you couldn't just drop it into a PC-FX core and it work, as it would be missing a lot of parts needed

ashen spoke
rotund portal
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I'll be honest - I don't even want to think about attempting to write an NEC V810 core.

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I've never written a CPU core (from scratch).

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Only tweaked existing ones.

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But, if anyone wanted to try making a start, I could give a crash-course in Verilog. I'm just not that good myself. lol

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Always worth people searching for existing code, too.

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ie. A similar CPU core in Verilog, VHDL, or even Netlists.

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Or a simplified version in C/C++ etc.

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The NEC V20-V50 were heavily based on Intel 8086 stuffs.

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But the V60 I think was the first to make larger changes.

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Then the V800 series changed to RISC, so totally different.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEC_V60

NEC V60

The NEC V60 is a CISC microprocessor manufactured by NEC starting in 1986. Several improved versions were introduced with the same instruction set architecture (ISA), the V70 in 1987, and the V80 and AFPP in 1989. They were succeeded by the V800 product families, which is currently produced by Renesas Electronics.
The V60 family includes a float...

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The assembly does look very similar to MIPS and ARM, but I guess it would.

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Kind of a Load-Store thing, so you have to do all the calcs using the internal registers, before writing the result back to memory.

void quartz
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Got all my Jaguar controller inserts yesterday: https://hoskinson-industries.myshopify.com/collections/frontpage/products/copy-of-atari-jaguar-controller-insert-zero-5

Hoskinson Industries
Atari Jaguar Controller Inserts-Complete Package at Once

These are brand new reproduction inserts made by pboland from Atari Age and sold with his permission here. High quality and durable and sure to satisfy.  If you want to purchase all the layouts without having to individually click on each one, this is the option to choose. It includes one of each layout I sell.

mental briar
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@ashen spoke A NEW CHALLENGER APPEARS

thorny swift
ashen spoke
thorny swift
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this is when I want to contact the maker and ask for samples for a vid but then my "eww asking" brain comes in and says I can't do that lol

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feels like "grubbing"

ashen spoke
thorny swift
ashen spoke
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I think that’s completely fair tbh. These are only $3 a piece.

thorny swift
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asking for things (help, samples, etc) is basically drilled into us from the crib as inappropriate

ashen spoke
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yeah true

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I’m the same way

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Except for when it’s not something I wasn’t willing to purchase on my own and is expensive LOL

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like the morph4k, extremely generous of that team and honestly, yeah I see the value in 4k upscalers now

thorny swift
mental briar
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Ok, which one is my Jaguar mister

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waxen terrace
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Red Top I would guess

ashen spoke
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I like the black top because the red lettering reminds me of the Jaguar logo

mental briar
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See, this is the exact problem I'm running into

ashen spoke
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oh yeah I was going to do an edit to the Jaguar logo bios

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@sterile moss where are the file to edit the bios again? Sorry

mental briar
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I like the red top one, but the black top one is more C Y C L E A C C U R A T E

dense ravine
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Black top for sure

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Red top is for VB MiSTer

mental briar
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taki batch 3

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err batch 4?

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whenever the ram comes soldered on

dense ravine
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I don’t need a second MiSTer, but I want one

mental briar
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I have collected all the roms. Now I must have all the misters

dense ravine
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I see your logic and I approve 😆

mental briar
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I am nothing if not a man of logic

thorny swift
mental briar
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I have one (and a display) for every desk and TV I normally use because I make good financial decisions

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thorny swift
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the QMTech is going to go onto a Mini ITX build for a video next month though

mental briar
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I have dual ram de10nanos in my theater and at my gaming pc. I have a QMtech stack at my work desk (will replace with the dual ram Jaguar taki stack and put the QMTech in the bedroom tv). And my Son's christmas gift is my first taki stack inside of tapto case.

Too Many Not enough MiSTers

rotund portal
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Red top kinda reminds me of... you know those "talking boxes" you used to find in stuffed toys in the 80s? lol

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I hid the voice box of my AG Bear under my brother's bed in the 90s.

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He wasn't too happy about it in the morning.

serene widget
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Well, that's dark.

ashen spoke
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damnit ok I’ll edit the bottom too

fossil lintel
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robby 😔

ashen spoke
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Look I tried to make a meme!

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Jaguar core is giving the poor MiSTer a hard time

fossil lintel
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it is not even a dual ram mister

ashen spoke
glad flame
thorny swift
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maybe not the one you had hoped 🤣

ashen spoke
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Damnit well fml

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Sorry!

mental briar
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Robby is mad with overlays. His power blinds him

fossil lintel
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you should stop trying to create memes.

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memes should not bear memes

thorny swift
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@ashen spoke out here meme'ing MiSTer: Special Victims Unit lol

glad flame
mental briar
ashen spoke
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LOL marioohno

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What if I put a stick of ram in his hand

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Would that make it better

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See it’s just ram!

thorny swift
fossil lintel
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32mb? eww

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and why does it only have one leg?

ashen spoke
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IS THAT BETTER???!

mental briar
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Much

dim sundial
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Art takes time

mental briar
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Thank you

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Lol

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Art is never finished. Only abandoned

ashen spoke
thorny swift
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🤣

mental briar
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We don’t kinkshame here. The Atari Jaguar channel is a safe space

ashen spoke
thorny swift
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it should say "ITS BUBSY TIME" and the MiSTer should say "64-Bit Me Baby" 🤣

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ok what I really want to say I probably cant here hahaha

ashen spoke
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ok we keep this a secret and don’t tell Kitrinx about my joke disaster

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plz

thorny swift
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only if I can suggest "Its RAM Time" and the MiSTer says "But your BUS is too Wide. It wont fit"

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then I shall quietly leave the convo...having won it 🤣

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(Robby feel free to delete that after you read it lol)

fossil lintel
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can't undo the art of discord screenshots

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now, what music would fit...

ashen spoke
thorny swift
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A2M's "I Got"

dusk slate
uncut atlas
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I like big bus and I cannot lie

mental briar
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White Men Can't Sunday

thorny swift
mental briar
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Listen, I am still proud of Barkley's shut up and Tuesday

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But none of these catchy release days are getting any traction for some reason

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I know it's not Saturnday or whatever - it's still art!

thorny swift
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I thought JagOffDay was good!

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Or Caturday. That was @dusk slate I think

mental briar
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Yep, both of those were great too

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so much talent in this room

rotund portal
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Great, now I get totally different vibes when thinking about "Dual SDRAM".

dusk slate
sterile moss
glad blade
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Latest pinned core, dual 2.9 on misteraddons older digital io

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Hdmi to vga rgb cable

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Previous core I only got black screen

small sail
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Hi guys, is there a latest test build of the Jag core?

Asking for a friend.

grizzled bloom
mental briar
small sail
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Haha, I'm loving the memes

hot rune
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I tried the cores on both of my builds DE10 and QMtech, neither would run AVP all I got was a black screen but did have the music

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Tried a 32meg and 128meg secondary SDram on the QMtech too

small sail
queen tendon
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I appreciate the DV core! Like others AvP loads, has sound, but black video. However, I love the fact that we have the DV variant!

small sail
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You'll be able to see it in the stream though.

tall gazelle
small sail
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I ran it a few times, once without video, once without sound, once fully working.

queen tendon
tall gazelle
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@queen tendon
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This is the one I tried.

queen tendon
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Perhaps it’s my dump/rom

hot rune
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Most other games I've tried work just not AVP

It's a odd beast the Jag, reminds me of a slightly higher spec Amiga

queen tendon
queen tendon
queen tendon
small sail
rotund portal
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Trying not to post too much of this on this channel, but...

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That's with the new (hopefully far more logic-efficient) edge equation stuff.

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The rendering frame time suggests that scene could possibly run at around 16 FPS on the FPGA.

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But only if it can reach 100 MHz, and only if the memory bandwidth can be made fast enough.

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ie. not likely on the DE10, sorry. lol

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And this is still only like, I dunno, maybe 8% of a full core.

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Obviously some glitches still, but I know what most of those are.

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The missing larger polys close to the camera, are due to an overflow in the floating-point vertex values.

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Since I do a very basic float-to-fixed conversion, and it can't handle the really HUGE float numbers (yet).

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I think it's doable, to have it switch modes when the value gets too large, so it maximizes the range.

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Almost like a faux floating-point thing, but far simpler.

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The missing tile rows at the top-right are probably timing issues with the new logic I added.

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Some very basic scenes, like the BIOS menu, suggest it might be able to hit 60 FPS or more.

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(again, based purely on the frame render time, assuming 100 MHz, etc.)

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As for whether the new logic will fit on the DE10, probably not quite. lol

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And there's not even any kind of CPU atm, let alone the sound chip, the rest of the HOLLY logic, ATAPI/IDE port, etc.

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No texture cache, parameter cache, VRAM controller, texture filtering, Gouraud shading, fog, background poly, no proper alpha blending, no Tile Accelerator. lol

mental briar
rotund portal
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Yeah.

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Just pick the one that has DV, or the one that plays AvP more often. lol

uncut atlas
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what exactly was the issue with DV?

rotund portal
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I just did the suggested changes, but haven't tested it myself yet.

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vresl does look like a kind of Reset signal.

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Can't remember what drives it.

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Then it was bypassing some sync stages.

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//assign hsync_out = hes;
assign vsync_out = vvs;        // Direct Video patch, by soniccd123.
assign hsync_out = hs;        // Direct Video patch, by soniccd123.
uncut atlas
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so basically, don't disable the artificial signals

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because the dv chip cant handle it

sacred blade
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I would be really pleased already with a 2D only Naomi core on MiSTer 😉

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3D is soo overrated 😉

ashen spoke
uncut atlas
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this isn't really the thread to talk about dreamcast related things

warm oasis
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What is next for the Jag core?

grizzled bloom
thorny swift
grizzled bloom
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Bussy 3D

mild karma
# grizzled bloom

lmao I just noticed the little “r” registered symbol next to Cybermorph 🤣

grizzled bloom
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I didn’t want Atari to sue me

serene widget
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And maybe the Virtual Boy.

thorny swift
grizzled bloom
thorny swift
grizzled bloom
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You sound like my last five doctors

thorny swift
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5 out of 5 doctors recommend the ER if exposed to Bubsy

grizzled bloom
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Once you pop the fun don’t stop

thorny swift
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I love that Jaguar chat of all places has just gone off the rails into insanity lol

grizzled bloom
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My presence tends to do that

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Jaguar is an equally insane console so it seems fitting

grizzled bloom
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There, back on topic now

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mental briar
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It keeps telling me that there are updates in this channel. John Jaguar is haunting me

sterile moss
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someone posted then deleted msgs 🙂

mental briar
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I hope no one was spoiling the end of AVP

fresh urchin
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Nah, the secret ending to bubsy you get if you beat it in one life.

livid crow
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yeah sorry, i asked a buncha dumb questions and then realized what was wrong

mental briar
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there are no dumb questions

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everyone has to figure out a thing once

sterile moss
mental briar
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I’m pretty sure it’s like hellraiser

fresh urchin
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Turns out the torment nexus is just bubsy looping back to level 1 when you beat it 😉

broken hound
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Could the Jaguar keypad be mapped to the keyboard numpad?

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Is there a recommended Jaguar -> USB adaptor that works with the core?

humble bluff
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Reflex adapt

mental briar
ashen spoke
still aurora
ashen spoke
still aurora
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I have one for My Jag Controller

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but other than test it in windows I havent used it

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I really would like to see the reflex adapt use a bigger microcontroller so I dont have to reflash it

fossil lintel
ashen spoke
grizzled bloom
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A good jag meme template

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rain sierra
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If you have a DE15 female port and a pro micro you can make one cheap

broken hound
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I think Reflex Adapt doesn't support Jaguar currently, I have one already.

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Jaguar uses DE15/HD15 connectors for the controller, like VGA.

pure oracle
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It does

broken hound
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You are right! Cool!

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pearl violet
# broken hound You are right! Cool!

Would I have to buy two different Reflex Adapts if I want to use two Jaguar controllers at once? Well, I don't think I'll be doing that anyway.

broken hound
frosty pike
pearl violet
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I have two replicas of the Jaguar pro controllers that I bought a couple of years ago.

mental briar
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Finally, a professional

uncut atlas
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I actually have no jaguar controller, nor a way to use one if I had one

mental briar
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you're better off, but you already knew that

glad flame
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How many Atari Jaguar games even used the number pad buttons on the bottom middle?

mental briar
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Um, 1992's hottest game, Evolution: Dino Dudes

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It's how you switch in between dudes

broken hound
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AVP even came with three overlays, one for Predator, one for Marine, and one for Alien:

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glad flame
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That is actually more than I was expecting.

mental briar
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I was wondering if that was how you switched guns

broken hound
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I used to own a Jaguar in the nineties, but I sold it for 100 bucks or so :/

glad flame
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Atari Jaguar is one of those consoles I'm not familiar with, so this at least clears up any potential confusion.

broken hound
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I loved to play Doom on it because I didn't have a PC yet, but Doom kind of sucks on the Jag: There's no in-game music.

glad blade
tranquil cape
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I think Jaguar DOOM is pretty good considering, but yeah the music was dropped so the DSP chip could handle collision detection. It was mostly ported by John Carmack himself. Certainly an interesting historic curiosity.

broken hound
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There's an advantage of Jaguar Doom: The color gradients as things get further away are much smoother than on PC. For example the floor and walls become darker in the distance with a very smooth color gradient. On PC, there were big steps of color instead.

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I think Jaguar Doom runs in 24 bit color (or 16 bit color?), whereas PC Doom only runs in 256 colors.

tranquil cape
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yeah - I think you can see that in the PSX version too since its based on the Jaguar port

uncut atlas
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ill just add a hack to the core so I can use the keyboard combined with a controller

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HMMMM. maybe I can also add a hack to use the touchpad on a ps5 as a really crude number pad

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I think it only gives relative coords unfortunately

fossil lintel
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would it be practical to map the right stick to 1-9 and find an alternative for the bottom row (holding a shoulder button or something like that)?

uncut atlas
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that's possible too

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most controllers have a healthy amount of extra shoulder buttons and stick clicks and whatnot

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for the stick-style it would probably have to be a direction+click or you'd hit all kinds of unintended buttons

mild karma
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I would probably use a PS4 controller w/chatpad if that hack gets added

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though, the NTT data SFC pad I’ve been using works just fine

fallow salmon
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ps4 pads might give absolute coords? just based on how some retail games have different use if you click in the left or right side of it

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i'm not sure it actually has seperate switches i think they differentiate with the touchpad

dusk slate
fallow salmon
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you could maybe may it to an analog stick like
1 2 3
4 6
7 8 9

then 5 on the stick click

dusk slate
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I actually found a use for the abomination that is the Saturn "Pro" controller from Retrobit. I just map the Jaguar number buttons to the two analog sticks on it. Then the * and # buttons to the X and Y buttons.

still aurora
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I just use my Jag Controller and reflex adapt !

thorny swift
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Well that’s a weird Jaguar 🤣

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@rotund portal I won’t have time probably til after the holiday but CoJag arrived

serene widget
thorny swift
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Area 51

serene widget
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Nice.

mental briar
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Does it boot AVP?

thorny swift
mental briar
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Probably needs dual ram

uncut atlas
thorny swift
uncut atlas
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no

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you suffer like the rest of us

thorny swift
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ok hit me up in 2026 lol

dusk slate
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Slacker!

thorny swift
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no whatever people may need to know off the board just lmk. Thats why I picked it up

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to be of any help I potentially can / to tear it down on camera for posterity

fallow salmon
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is there any chance it'd be simpler to reverse engineer and fix the PSX port (somethings way wonky with its lightgun calibration)

rotund portal
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Not planning to drink much this year. It's never really agreed with me much.

thorny swift
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Double down

glad blade
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Val d'Isère Skiing and Snowboarding drunk stream

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I'm here for it

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Get bigPP esoterica to do a flip on camera

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😆

thorny swift
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the downsides FAR outweigh the upsides haha...but Id probably still throw one

dusk slate
mental briar
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New Mister Pi with dual ram won't boot AVP. Misteraddons remains king

sterile moss
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GreyRogue's Jaguar_Rework_dualram_20241114.rbf is the most recent build that AVP runs for me (misteraddons old digital IO board setup) #1055574003810578503 message

mental briar
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yeah, that's the one I was going to look at next

thorny swift
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I couldn’t get it to work in IO Direct

mental briar
thorny swift
mental briar
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The problem with AVP is that it needs every part of the controller buffalo

queen tendon
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I still only get sound with AvP. Tested on a bunch of variants. Running MiSTer Main

hot rune
uncut atlas
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grey's ram is more fussy than mine

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so he's able to test his builds more conservatively

small mural
mental briar
small mural
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mental briar
hot rune
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Thanks to @sudden palm I finally found a build of the core that runs AVP...

sudden palm
hot rune
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It's was the V8 build

pallid gulch
sudden palm
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With a good gun, why not ? 😉

mental briar
hot rune
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give it a try

sudden palm
mental briar
rain sierra
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Darn, that v8 doesn't work for me. I have yet to be able to boot AVP. My dual SDRAM is made up of two v2.5 128MB modules.

mental briar
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yeah, none of the kuba cores boot avp on the retrocastle stack

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I swear I got it booting with one of these cores

hot rune
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I am using a Retrocastle with a Taki 128meg and a stock 32meg SDram

uncut atlas
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okay lets see

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what are some little things to work on here

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finish up teamtap, add that spinner thing for tempest, add saving for the eeprom

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play with right stick as numeric buttons

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that's going to be annoying, to do that right I have to use some circle math

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not fun in HDL

mental briar
uncut atlas
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I was going to do a menu item to do the start-on-both-controllers thing to make enabling spinner easier in tempest

warm oasis
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You mentioned awhile ago connecting the Jag link thing to the iO, not sure if you did that already, or what that means in practice

uncut atlas
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someone else was working on that

warm oasis
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Am I right to think core needs to be more stable before cheats are even considered?

uncut atlas
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yes

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those are near the bottom of the list, and would be detrimental to add at this point

warm oasis
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Only other thing I can thing of off hand is lightgun support for that homebrew game, which is really niche, but if we are to ever get support for the Co Jag then at least you would know light gun support was already there and done properly

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One plus of the Jaguar is there aren't a litany of weird add ons and game mappers and other gubbins and bobbins

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Does the core do the fast loading that Robert did for some of the other cores with big ROM sizes?

hot rune
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Will the spinner be compatible with MrSpinner ?

uncut atlas
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just use the spinner framework interface

dusk slate
thorny swift
warm oasis
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We don't have any arcade light gun games do we?

thorny swift
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Since the rest of the games that aren’t Area 51 and Maximum Force (and every game that isn’t Area 51 is R3000 based) are standard JAMMA tracing those is easy and the setup should be JAMMA standards

thorny swift
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So depends on what you want to call “lightgun”; genre yes, technology no

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There’s no arcade core that is using a sensor along side the raster draw pattern to identify lightgun aiming and shot registration

warm oasis
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Yeah, just thinking at a high level, if someone does do a lightgun game then I wonder how it would be made to work with a gun on a CRT? Would the person pick a gun, like the NES Zapper and just implement that working via SNAC, or would there need to be some bespoke board made up for arcade lightgun to use? I have no idea

thorny swift
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You could really use ANYTHING

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every light gun that isn’t GunCon works in essence identically

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GunCon taps the sync signal for additional accuracy

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But any arcade light gun game using raster sensors can be wire modded to work with any other light gun game

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I’ve got Konami guns that run on basically every arcade light gun game I own

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You can do the same with a HAPP 45

fallow salmon
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Using the guncon2 is probably easiest? Works on a crt , reports via usb

thorny swift
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Yes. But you could use the zapper or the justifier too in theory. It’s just a sensor on 5V and ground with a data line and then just a ground and 5V open/closed (high/low) circuit for the trigger. And any additional buttons it may have

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Light guns are incredibly “dumb” as far as the technology inside of them

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They only get “smart” once you go to CCD sensor with IR / IR emitter and receiver combos

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Like I have one game I can’t play (Teraburst) because I don’t have the gun with the CCD camera inside. The sensors I can make with parts. But that specialized camera in the barrel I need to purchase inside a working gun shell

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Then from there you jump a level to stuff like Police 911 which incorporates gyros and accelerometers to position you in a 3D space with full motion inside the gun and outside with three lighthouse sensors

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And that is why you don’t collect light gun arcade boards kids 🤣 a cautionary tale

mental briar
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This is every Jaguar core that has been posted thus far. If folks are looking for one that runs Aliens Vs Predator, there may be a build in here that works

📎 Jaguar_Cores.7z
queen tendon
mental briar
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It’s like The Ring. I have to pass this curse on to everyone to protect myself

scenic briar
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The ring: hot potato game made into a horror movie

uncut atlas
thorny swift
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I was going to take it out today and shoot it but the day got away from me and I lost the light

mental briar
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Got caught up in 68k visual novels again?

thorny swift
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so I will prolly shoot the board Monday and once thats done I can probe out whatever needs poking

mental briar
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Yeah, we put the tree up yesterday. I always used to beg my parents to put stuff up early. And now I understand why they didn’t

thorny swift
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may do a little bit of that in the vid...break out the microscope, path out the light gun section to the chips, etc...kind of show people in video form how that gets done

mental briar
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That would be interesting.

thorny swift
mental briar
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All I know about that stuff (and it’s not much) I have gathered from retrosix TikToks, so I’d happy watch something more in depth

broken hound
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My vintage Jaguar controller arrived. It works great with Reflex Adapt.

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This brings back memories

mental briar
# broken hound My vintage Jaguar controller arrived. It works great with Reflex Adapt.

You know now what you must do...........https://hoskinson-industries.myshopify.com/collections/frontpage/products/copy-of-atari-jaguar-controller-insert-zero-5

Hoskinson Industries
Atari Jaguar Controller Inserts-Complete Package at Once

These are brand new reproduction inserts made by pboland from Atari Age and sold with his permission here. High quality and durable and sure to satisfy.  If you want to purchase all the layouts without having to individually click on each one, this is the option to choose. It includes one of each layout I sell.

broken hound
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I must collect them all.

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But the price.

mental briar
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can you put a price on completion?

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(I guess you can....$95)

frosty pike
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Just picked on up off ebay

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My whole theory on old gameing is....

The games are 49% of the expirence
The way you controlled a game is 49% of the expirence (the controller)

The other 2% is seeing the system, feeling the cart or disk...... Yada yada...

It's why I love the mister...it gets me that 98% that matters when playing

proud wave
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I keep meaning to ask @ashen spoke where he bought his overlays for his, this is the complete pack but not sure if that's the best deal: https://hoskinson-industries.myshopify.com/collections/frontpage/products/copy-of-atari-jaguar-controller-insert-zero-5

Hoskinson Industries
Atari Jaguar Controller Inserts-Complete Package at Once

These are brand new reproduction inserts made by pboland from Atari Age and sold with his permission here. High quality and durable and sure to satisfy.  If you want to purchase all the layouts without having to individually click on each one, this is the option to choose. It includes one of each layout I sell.

still aurora
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I think thats the only place

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but it does seem steep for some coloured pieces of paper

rain sierra
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I’d say that the controller takes priority over the display though.

pearl violet
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For those who have a Reflex Adapt, has any of you tried getting the Pro Controller replica from Songbird to work?

ashen spoke
pearl violet
still aurora
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Ebay is a terrible place top buy Ram you have no idea if its good or not

pearl violet
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I double checked the SDRAM on ebay to compare that with the one on Mister Addons. And I even checked feedback that some others who bought an SDRAM from the seller before. Seller is very reputable. Though I'll still return the item if I can't get it to work.

forest tartan
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Why pay that much when you can buy it from Taki for 14 quid, ie 20 dollars.

ashen spoke
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Everyone has different purchasing habits. eBay is potentially easier for some people.

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They favor buyers and he can easily return to get his money back, for example. Thats worth extra cost for some people I imagine.

glad blade
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my dual ram setup just living it's best life on my 14" pvm

hot rune
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It's roughly the same price as a 32meg from other sellers

hot rune
uncut atlas
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im shocked anyone still sells 32m

sudden vault
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I grabbed one from legacy pixels a while back and still looks like he’s selling 32m modules

fossil lintel
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Now why would one buy 128 as a second ram module?

mental briar
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S Y M M E T R Y

warm oasis
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It is good they do, so is cheap for people to go up to dual ram

ashen spoke
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Yeah @warm oasis convinced me to get another 32mb stick. For a while it was looking dicey that it a worthwhile investment but moondandy pulled through in the end!

warm oasis
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Yeah, anyone building a MiSTer these days, and not using the Analogue iO board, should probably just pay the extra $20 or whatever and go dual ram. It isn't adding much to the overall cost to have it.

uncut atlas
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I'd say it's always better to get the 128, even if you dont ever intend to load large roms

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it uses two chips which can theoretically be exploited to decrease ram latency in some situations

warm oasis
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Yeah, but 128MB not needed for slot B. Definitely get 128MB as your main stick. Unless something has developed and 128MB may be needed for slot B?

uncut atlas
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the row selects take more time than advancing through columns

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so in a situation where latency is really critical you could theoretically use one chip each for two different purposes and avoid having to change the rows

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maybe im overthinking it

tranquil cape
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does it matter if the sticks are different versions, or which GPIO slot they are in? Better to have newer stick in the slot not normally populated by an IO board?

uncut atlas
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the always-free slot is where primary ram goes, it needs to be populated

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the gpio used for the io board's analog video is the one where the optional ram goes

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i'd say if you never intend to use analog, dual ram is a good idea

tranquil cape
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cool thanks - I'm going to switch out an older MA analog IO board for his newer IO Direct Video one and get another stick of RAM. I'll put the older (~4 years) stick in the 2nd slot. Glad he made the board in light of the Jaguar core and few Saturn games that need the RAM

ashen spoke
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Who knew it would be Atari Jaguar that would bring about the dual ram revolution? Couldn’t be me.

glad blade
dusk slate
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Viva la revolution!

broken hound
ashen spoke
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The single sdram hack seems to be working pretty well too, it’s a win for everyone

broken hound
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Ok

ashen spoke
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I personally think it’ll be ironed out eventually

grizzled igloo
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Am I doing something wrong, I can't get the core to work at all? The one from 2020 boots fine, but all I get is black screen on the ones posted in here. I have dual ram.

mental briar
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did you grab the updated bios from update_all?

calm bridge
warm oasis
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New BIOS won't change anything, it just adds a MiSTer Kun graphic

mental briar
grizzled igloo
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I've tried the 11/13 and 11/18 versions.

calm bridge
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can you verify the checksum of your boot.rom?
mine has sha1 f8991b0c385f4e5002fa2a7e2f5e61e8c5213356
works fine

grizzled igloo
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Yeah, it's the same for me.

calm bridge
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I just tried running AvP on the 24.11.14 build and it's working

mental briar
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But you're saying that when you load the core, you don't even get the jaguar logo or anything

grizzled igloo
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I either get a black screen, or like some roling bars.. thing?

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Like an old tv.

mental briar
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are you using direct video?

grizzled igloo
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I don't know. I've tried with and without the ini change though.

calm bridge
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I'm not sure how it's been going for everyone, the very first new version didn't work for me, it would crash on most games just like the 2022 builds, but most newer versions have been working fine. I'm guessing it may be a bit sensitive to what version SDRAM you're using.

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I have dual rev 2.9 sticks BTW, not super reliable at 145MHz, but seems to work fine at 142.

grizzled igloo
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I don't know, may be that mine is just on the older side. I'll try again with mister pi, and see what happens I guess.

calm bridge
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Have you tested the dual RAM builds of the Saturn core on your MiSTer?

grizzled igloo
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I'll give it a shot right quick.

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Yeah, same thing.

calm bridge
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Did you set the jumper on the DE10-Nano for dual RAM?

grizzled igloo
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How would I do that?

mental briar
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SW3 needs to be on.

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Any luck @grizzled igloo

grizzled igloo
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I've never taken this thing apart before, so.. not yet.

mental briar
grizzled igloo
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Yeah, the icon shows up in the menu that says it has it.

mental briar
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oh, then I bet it's been switched. But you're saying neither jaguar or dual ram saturn boot?

grizzled igloo
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No, neither.

calm bridge
grizzled igloo
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On the main menu of mister? Someone said if it's fully filled in you have it. I could have been lied to.

sterile moss
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the RAM icon indicates either 32MB (half full) or 128MB (full), nothing displays if dual SDRAM is present

calm bridge
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Interesting.

sterile moss
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ie it'll just show what you have in the main slot, no additional indication for presence of the 2nd stick

calm bridge
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First time I've tried running on dual RAM it didn't work, not sure if I forgot the SW3 or if it just wasn't fully seated, after removing and reattaching the second RAM stick, both Saturn and Jaguar worked fine for me.

mental briar
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So I would confirm you have dual ram. I just loaded the 2020 core and it booted fine on my single ram stack

grizzled igloo
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Everything's working now, thanks everyone.

mental briar
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You may need to try several cores before you find one that boots AVP and Trevor McFur. This is a collection of all the cores posted #1055574003810578503 message

calm bridge
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24.11.14 is the one that works best for me right now, but YMMV

sterile moss
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same here, Jaguar_Rework_dualram_20241114.rbf for AVP and other games that have issues.

mental briar
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for me its this build #1055574003810578503 message

That boots AVP on all of my dual ram stacks

ashen spoke
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So the build works and you're doing something wrong, which is good news since that's easy to fix.

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You need a working bios, and you need good rom dumps. Grab your games from redump and double check your bios, making sure it's named "boot.rom"

warm oasis
grizzled igloo
# warm oasis What was the culprit?

I guess when my ceiling collapsed the people that cleaned all my electronics messed with those jumpers in that picture and put them back to off, or that one was never on in the first place. Either way, working fine now. 🙂

ashen spoke
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what the hell

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that wasn't the explanation I was expecting LOL

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I hope your house is fine!

midnight robin
rain sierra
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LGR vibes

hidden siren
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So, a question I could not find a definitive answer to: will analog audio out still work on a dual ram setup with the analog io board? Probably the answer is out there, I just could not find it

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I play on a 4:3 LCD screen with HDMI -> DVI, but the screen does not have audio, thus I use the minijack for audio

tranquil cape
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if you're using a newer IO board with the removable analog GPIO mini-board (like a MiSTer Pi), then I think you need to use optical (mini-toslink)

mental briar
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yeah, I tried today and I wasn't getting anything out of my 9.2 board with dual ram

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so it's probably toslink only at that point

tranquil cape
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if the audio port's LED is lit up then it should be transmitting

mental briar
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yeah, it's definitely sending digital

hot rune
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The analogue audio probably comes off the mezzanine board DAC like the video

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On the older 6.1 IO board it used the DE10 audio dac

hidden siren
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Yeah I have taki's one, so it's a new one with the mezzanine board; wasn't sure if that was only for the vga or for both, but sad to hear it's for both. I'll get either an HDMI audio extractor, or a mini-toslink! I'm thinking that for future/jag-proofing, it might be better to get a hdmi->vga direct video cable with audio out; bit of a pity that it's hard to find good/cheap ones these days, if mem serves me well

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thank you for the infos, all!

tranquil cape
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you can usually get a optical DAC for under $15 like this:

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mental briar
hidden siren
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I have a mixer/soundcard that has optical in - I'll just use that, I guess! Just need a little optical cable; christmas wishlist, be prepped! 🙂

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That way, I can also route the audio of munt running on laptop, without the need of a mt32pi attached. Or, if I have an old pi connected over network, route it though the same thing. So yeah, problem solved 🙂 Tnx!

tranquil cape
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most of my optical cables came with a mini adapter so you can check and see if you have one

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otherwise you can probably get one (or two) for a few dollars

hidden siren
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good tip again, I'll dig in my Cable Box and see what's there 🙂

queen tendon
#

Why is the Jag core so reliant on Dual Ram? Is it due to the Tom/Jerry architecture of the Jag hardware?

fallow salmon
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partly that and partly its a very literal netlist style implementation so it doesn't have abstraction to deal with things like unexpected latency from DDR

queen tendon
uncut atlas
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so for each ram read, we have to read 4x from 1 sdram chip, or 2x from 2 sdram chips, in terms of clock speed, only reading 2x is realistic

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DO THE MATH

mental briar
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truly the most advanced platform

ashen spoke
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Oh oh I forgot I got more overlays. I 100% blame @uncut atlas for my new obsession.

uncut atlas
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I have never advocated that one use an atari console

mental briar
ashen spoke
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🤯

uncut atlas
sterile moss
uncut atlas
ashen spoke
sterile moss
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The finest Pac man one can use to stop a door

uncut atlas
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You have unlocked the greatest value for that console, congratulations Robby

sterile moss
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Did you end up making any better bios images Robby?

ashen spoke
sterile moss
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Haha just wondering

ashen spoke
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What software do I need?

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I mean “better” is subjective. I would just be taking your awesome work and adding a little background. It’s all you man.

sterile moss
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#1055574003810578503 message

ashen spoke
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Ah yeah no photoshop, that’s why I didn’t continue

sterile moss
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im not much one for art, just wanted to see if i could get it going 🙂

mental briar
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Aliens Versus Wednesday?

sterile moss
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dont need photoshop, just a cpl of exe tools to convert bmp to cry and inject it into the intro movie, then hex editor

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i swear there must be a better method around, but i had a day off and the distraction was welcome

rain sierra
uncut atlas
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the hotdogs are for decorative purposes only

mental briar
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When you see how the sausage is made, you want nothing to do with that sausage

thorny swift
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Dunno if at all useful @rotund portal as it’s not really a schematic of how it’s all connected. But fun to see

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serene widget
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I'M NOT DEAD YET

sweet pine
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currently on batch one mega pack misterpi and i'm unable to get any games to boot despite having the direct video flag and bios, are there any specific builds people have had luck with?

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could my romset be bad? i can boot into the core but i can't even get the regular or provided misterkun bios to display

mental briar
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Do you have dual ram?

sweet pine
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yeah

mental briar
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Unless you bought a second stick of ram, the mega pack only came with a single stick

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Ok, make sure you also have sw3 on the main board toggled.

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(That’s a de10nano but the jumpers are in the same position)

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You want sw 3 on

sweet pine
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ooh okay

mental briar
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Once you do that, boot the core. You should see the jaguar logo on boot. If you’re not seeing that, you’ll need the bios, which you can get if you have the bios option enabled in update_all

sterile moss
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its not downloaded by biosDB in update_all yet, i think moondandy added it to a custom beta cores source for update_all

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#1055574003810578503 message

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its not in the json or csv file for normal biosDB yet

mental briar
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I thought it pulled down automatically for me? But maybe I grabbed it from your post

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The days all run together at this point.

warm oasis
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You must have added the WIP DB to your .ini, Jag BIOS is in that but not in official repo or BIOS BD currently. When it does get released to Main the BIOS will just be added to the release folder so everyone will get it when they get the core, because it is open source and someone compiled it and added the MiSTer Kun it can be given away fine without breaking any copyright etc

mental briar
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Ahh

sterile moss
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if anyone wants a differnt image in the bios, post it as a 64x64 pixel bmp and ill convert 🙂

midnight robin
desert oar
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Jaguar is dualram only (yet).

still aurora
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And to bang home the point Dual Ram means 2 independent sticks or Ram , not a count of the ram chips on one individual stick

mental briar
mental briar
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Ignore the end bit. I just tested with a 9.2 board and SW3 off and AVP booted fine. You still need SW3 on if you don't have a 9.2 board

ashen spoke
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I unironically love this core

rain sierra
mental briar
midnight robin
mental briar
midnight robin
mental briar
midnight robin
mental briar
midnight robin
mental briar
midnight robin
mental briar
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yeah, thats the one

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hmmm

mental briar
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Trevor McFur and the Crescent Sunday?

rotund portal
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Helping move stuff between allotment plots.

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Shed, summerhouse.

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Then had to help fix the garden fence which blew down.

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Which was only just in time for the current storm happening, which will be a good test for the new fence. lol

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Already, an old fence in our allotment blew down at 8:15am.

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I happened to be watching as well, trying to see if there was any damage.

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I'd only been watching for about four minutes, when I saw the small fence collapse. lol

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That diagram could still help somewhat, as it's easier than trying to see the part labels (designators) on the silkscreen.

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For when we look at probing the board, etc.

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I still have burnout, but feeling a bit better mentally. Just can't face building anything atm.

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So I've just been doing a bit of work on the Dreamcast thing, in the sim.

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Managed to get the average frame times between about 20 and 50 FPS.

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So averaging around 35 FPS.

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But I won't post much about it on here, in case Rysha releases the Kraken again. 😛

uncut atlas
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if you want to talk about it just make a different thread for it somewhere

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it's just best to not derail specific topics too much

rotund portal
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Fair. The only thing I found with threads on other servers, is that almost nobody looks at them after.

ashen spoke
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For what it’s worth I’m forced to lol

uncut atlas
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the ones here get used very regularly if they are forum posts

rotund portal
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I made threads for DIY AVR and other projects on other servers, and they ended up with a total of three people who ever looked. lol

uncut atlas
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regular threads have poor visibility

rotund portal
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Is there a more generalized channel I could post a bit on DC stuff?

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I've always strived to make it very clear that it is in no way a "core" at this point.

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Also, with the current speed-up stuff, Quartus once again reports it needs about 127% of the FPGA, so that clearly won't work. lol

uncut atlas
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#1315008851874938948 message

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there you go

ashen spoke
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I replied

rotund portal
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Thanks.

tall sequoia
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I seen on the pics that @mental briar is / was testing the games with HDMI output but I want to use direct video > Scart > to RGB CRT. When I test over HDMI picture is perfect, when I test on the CRT = not so much.Picture is glitching like crazy. It's not the VGA to Scart cable = it works perfectly fine with my Single RAM Mister and with the Dual RAM Mister on the Dual RAM Saturn Core as well. So far I tested only Rayman on the Jaguar Core on the CRT - more testing to come.

ashen spoke
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Core is in active development at the moment. Not sure how reliable running it on a CRT will be. Best to stick with HDMI for now.

tall sequoia
dusk slate
#

The fact that this core is in active development again is reason enough to celebrate. It's aliiiiiiive! 🤘

mental briar
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This is every core that has been posted thus far. It’s in there #1055574003810578503 message

hot rune
tall sequoia
tall sequoia
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So the only remaining "issue" = I have a Jaguar controller but no way to connect it to the Mister. Please somebody make the Jaguar to USB adapters again - the ones Raphnet was selling (they are sold out 😦 ) Or if anybody has such a spare Jaguar to USB adapter they would sell = please hit me up 🙂 = Playing Jaguar with a PS4 controller feels wrong LOOOL

mental briar
# tall sequoia So the only remaining "issue" = I have a Jaguar controller but no way to connect...

https://misteraddons.com/products/hdmi-controller-adapters?variant=40250233487493 + https://misteraddons.com/products/reflex-adapt?_pos=2&_psq=reflex&_ss=e&_v=1.0

MiSTer Addons
Controller Adapters (SNAC/SNAX/SNAX64/Reflex Adapt)

PSX AND N64 REQUIRE SNAX. PSX BLISS ADAPTERS ARE NOT COMPATIBLE WITH SNAX OR SNAX64. PC-Engine adapters are now in stock! Note that 6 button pads are not supported and Turbo doesn’t work 100% like the original console due to the fast response time required by the original hardware. If either of those are requirements y

MiSTer Addons
Reflex Adapt

Introducing Reflex Adapt: a revolutionary gaming device with the power to provide ultimate control. With minimal latency, input response times are improved, empowering gamers to respond faster to unpredictable changes and take on even the most dynamic gaming challenges. Experience gaming with a responsiveness never see

tall sequoia
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So I tested with the Ash DirectVideo Core. My findings (sadly I can't write anything in the pinned WIP document @ashen spoke ) = Air Cars, Brutal Sports Football and Super Cross 3D don't start at all with Direct Video = all 3 come to the red splash screen and won't start at all. Trevor Mc Fur in the Crescent Galaxy works perfectly fine with Direct Video - no borders, glitches and crashes.

hot rune
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There is Jaguar Daemobite code too but not seen anyone making the adaptors yet

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I dont have a Jag controller to test it sadly

ashen spoke
tall sequoia
ashen spoke
proud wave
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Works so good tho

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mental briar
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As the developers intended

broken hound
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Your tv is smaller than your controller

true jetty
#

So I'm sure this has been answered before, but Discord's search tool is ass
When I load the Jaguar core, I get this harsh noise, like static for a moment, then the display just shuts off

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I'm pretty sure this is a DualRAM Mister

still aurora
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do you have 2 ram sticks ?

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thats the only dual ram

true jetty
#

I assume so
I got my Mister from UltimateMister to my recollection

still aurora
#

that doesnt mean it will be dual

#

do you physically see 2 sticks

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not chips on one stick 2 actual physical this side faces outwards ram chips

true jetty
#

I can't, since it has a case

still aurora
#

what IO board do you have ?

#

does it have a VGA port ?

true jetty
#

It does have a VGA port! I'm currently using it

still aurora
#

Then it cant be dual ram

true jetty
#

Fuck

still aurora
#

the Analog IO board is the VGa. As is the New AV board. In both cases if you have VGA and are using it you cannot have dual ram

true jetty
#

I see, I see

still aurora
#

well technically if you have the new av board and dont use the mezzanine you may have dual ram

#

There is no indication on the GUI to say dual ram is fitted and memory test doesnt show it

#

the only sure way is to count the ram sticks

true jetty
#

I see

dusk slate
#

🐏 🐏

hidden siren
#

well - if you're using the VGA out (and not hdmi->vga) doesn't that also rule out dual ram?

mental briar
#

Yes

#

That port can’t work without one of the two GPIO headers on the De10nano. You can’t do ram + ram + analog because there are only two slots

small charm
#

I need some data from people with dual SDRAM and a DE10 Nano. Bonus if you have more than one. Please try to load Alien Vs. Predator on your board and tell me if it loads. If it doesn't load, please try to load Iron Soldier 1 and see if that loads.

#

I need data from ten boards

mental briar
#

If you’re seeing it load on some, but not others, try one of the other cores that has been posted since development started back up. I have collected them all here: #1055574003810578503 message

pearl violet
#

If I want the Jaguar core to work, I have a 128mb v3.0 primary SDRAM module, what should be my secondary SDRAM, guys? I'm about to return the SDRAM I bought off eBay.

dusk slate
mental briar
hot rune
small charm
sterile moss
sudden palm
#

for now it depends on the core that was compiled, small differences give different results. I compiled about 16 cores.

#

#1055574003810578503 message

forest tartan
#

THe core dated the 12th run AVP on a DE10 with Dual Ram, and on a 9.2 AV board. Sorry don't know about the taki or Qtech boards.

hot rune
forest tartan
#

Sorry I was reverting back to 1982, "well it loads on my spectrum", "Yeah, but doesn't load on my bl00dy spectrum". 🙂

forest tartan
#

With a bit of luck these "oddities" willl be resolved.

uncut atlas
#

I wouldn't assume it's even sdram that's to blame nessesarily but maybe even just minor variations in fpgas

ashen spoke
#

The core is very much WIP and was just recently resuscitated. There is no actionable or pertinent information that can be gleamed from its current instability

Sometimes shit don’t work, yo.

#

That was my translation from Kitrinxican

thorny swift
#

@uncut atlas we talking Jaguar tonight?

uncut atlas
#

I can

thorny swift
#

I've done all of exactly zero prep which is my usual MO

uncut atlas
#

we're supposed to prepare?

thorny swift
#

haha no. I think thats the point. It goes off the rails near to immediately

uncut atlas
#

my idea of preparation was cleaning up the half-finished projects sitting on my window

thorny swift
#

oh are we supposed to be on camera? shit

#

then I guess I DO have prep to do lol

uncut atlas
#

I think he said camera. I'm assuming so. last time I got surprised by it and had no makeup on it and it pissed me off

thorny swift
#

I didnt go on cam last time as they told me just like 5 min before and I was not prepped

#

maybe ill grab some mascara. Get my wife to put it on. Make those eyes look extra good!

uncut atlas
#

I didn't know youtubers used mascara but I guess it makes sense

thorny swift
#

haha I doubt they do but maybe ill have fun with it. Pretty up the old face

uncut atlas
#

im sure a little bit of foundation and/or concealer and the faintest eyeliner would help

#

or at the very least a powder for shine

thorny swift
#

oh I will def powder

#

thats a must for on camera

mental briar
#

oooo. is this gonna be live or a recorded thing for later?

thorny swift
#

podcast

#

but they upload them to YT. Ill be on cam then tell them like 5 minutes in just cut to a photo of Al Bundy and let that ride

#

Different Al's throughout the ages

mental briar
#

Is this one of those things where, at the end of the stream, Kit goes "and the final version of the core is available.......now"

thorny swift
#

no its more just straight up say random funny shit and let it ride haha

mental briar
#

I read that as Ai Bundy which means I will diminish and go into the west

uncut atlas
#

it's not about jaguar

#

it's some silly thing

#

but it seems as though jaguar might come up

mental briar
thorny swift
ashen spoke
#

Please ask her what her favorite Jaguar game is

mental briar
#

and why is it Attack of the Mutant Penguins

thorny swift
#

last time I said you wore a conductors uniform and played Densha De Go all day

mental briar
#

He spends his days learning about all sorts of Rims apparently. Sprewells, Blackberries, Jobs, etc

dense ravine
still aurora
#

They are on Fox News

thorny swift
#

slightly diff

forest tartan
#

Video, live stream? Twitch/YT or have I missed it? - Is it private, or can anyone watch it? Podcast? What's it called?

ashen spoke
mental briar
gentle bobcat
# small charm I need some data from people with dual SDRAM and a DE10 Nano. Bonus if you have ...

I have two DE10-Nano boards but unfortunately they are on MiSTer Multisystem boards and I can't turn them into dual-RAM setups. I have two MiSTer Pi boards. one I put together myself and one that was the completely-put-together-for-me bundle. I made them both dual-RAM so I could use the Jaguar core. I got all of the RAM from RR. Oddly, while the Jaguar core works on both systems, AvP only works on one of them.... and yes, I made sure to flip the switch on the MiSTer Pi board so the dual-RAM is recognized. Something else I've noticed is that the Robotron 2048 arcade core has a tenancy to just stop working after a level or two on the MiSTer Pi. I haven't used my Multisystems after noticing the Robotron issue but I don't recall it just freezing on them in the past. I'll do more testing and I'll let you know if I notice anything worth reporting.

mental briar
gentle bobcat
#

I've seen a few games act differently from one load to the next. For example, sometimes Rayman has sound and sometimes it doesn't.

mental briar
#

Yeah. While this updated core is tons better than the previous core, it still needs to be dialed in and is real sensitive. I have two dual ram de10s and a dual ram mister pi, all three use different builds of the core in order to load AVP

proud wave
# ashen spoke Please ask her what her favorite Jaguar game is

It would clearly be this: https://forums.atari.io/topic/8477-virtualvcs-atari-2600-emulator-for-the-atari-jaguar/

Atari I/O Forums
VirtualVCS (Atari 2600) emulator for the Atari Jaguar

From time to time I see Carl Forhan tinker with it and he just founded the A B Difficulty Switches in the emulator and doctorclu adding games that run under this emulator, it makes me wonder why did Atari they dropped the ball on this and try to make their own emulator when this one was all most ...

broken hound
#

The slowdown in Tempest 2000 is already much closer to real hardware compared to BigPEmu. This is most noticable in the texture mapped bonus game that appears after the first few levels.

gentle bobcat
#

I call that flying the bacon.

broken hound
#

Yep that one. It was pretty slow on real hardware and the same on MiSter. It is way too fluid in BigPEmu.

#

Also, there's no audio lag in the core, just like on real hardware.

dusk slate
#

I wonder how the Atari 50 version compares.

forest tartan
#

If it's any help, for those that keeping asking, I had the best results with the one from the 12th, AVP etc worked fine. But give each build a bash, it's whatever works for you, it's all part of the fun.

desert oar
hot rune
glossy iron
uncut atlas
#

most emulators seem to grossly overclock all the chips

#

it's probably a better experience playing the games, tbh, but not cycle accurate

mental briar
#

How did the podcast go last night? Do we know when it will be available?

thorny swift
mental briar
thorny swift
#

off the rails, lot of dirty shit, some talk about what video game characters lay the best pipe, cheese, alcohol, etc

mental briar
#

it's not available yet, is it?

thorny swift
#

No. Not sure when itll go live

mental briar
#

please hit the red button when it does. I need to know why luigi lays the best pipe

ashen spoke
#

like is that ez cheese

thorny swift
#

also I shit talked Wisconsin a lot

dusk slate
mental briar
#

Thank God comedy is legal again

thorny swift
#

did I say "Astro Bot definitely has *** gutters"? Probably

thorny swift
#

a wild CoJag appears!

rain sierra
#

I would love to see Area 51 CoJag on MiSTer. Like you said, the PSX version exists BUT… I still think it would be cool to see the OG if possible.

mental briar
thorny swift
ashen spoke
#

Hey sorry, no posting videos outside of #share-media. But it’s a fun video covering the Atari CoJag arcade hardware which if people want to see can be found here - #share-media message

thorny swift
#

but OLD RULES MCGEE GOTTA SPOIL MY FUN...DANG IT ROBBY

dense ravine
#

Finish ban him!

ashen spoke
#

Sorry ☹️

rain sierra
#

You’ve been ROBBED

thorny swift
#

he probably also told on classmates in Kindegarten

#

"TEACHER TEACHER BILLY SAID SOMETHING BAD ABOUT PROPANE" 🤣

thorny swift
#

@ashen spoke

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mental briar
gentle bobcat
#

Telly Savalis IS CoJag.

ivory basin
#

Hello, I am just trying out the Jaguar dual ram core, and I am running into an issue where after loading a .jag file I get the BIOS screen, then (say with Club Drive) I get the game music and a blank screen. Discord searching in forms is basically useless so I'm not able to see if there is something really obvious that I am missing.

#

I checked and Direct Video is 0 in my mister.ini

ashen spoke
mental briar
ivory basin
#

Thank you for that!

glad flame
#

Hoping there is eventually a new build that is more stable.

ivory basin
#

It could just be I have tried the three ROMs that just don't work with the WIP core 😄

mental briar
#

its in rough shape

#

but 1000x better than it used to be

ashen spoke
ivory basin
#

oh interesting

ashen spoke
#

But I’ve accepted the Jaguar into my heart so maybe the core knows I’m a true believer

mental briar
#

do you have a club drive overlay?

ashen spoke
ivory basin
#

I'm also punishing myself with the beta CD-i core so I can experience the existential horror of Hotel Mario and Zelda: Faces of Evil

ashen spoke
sacred narwhal
#

personally imo the real existential horror is Dark Castle

ivory basin
#

the fact that the CD-i sold any units is a miracle

#

and the Jaguar is a huge blind spot in my console history

ashen spoke
#

Oh the Club Drive overlay actually has use:

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ivory basin
#

so fingers crossed I get one of the archived cores working!

ashen spoke
#

I was thinking of Power Drive which is just this lol:

image0.jpg
#

I don’t even think * and # do anything

ivory basin
#

I legit forgot that the Jaguar controller was an absolute abomination

dense ravine
ashen spoke
ashen spoke
#

Oh cellphones lol

ivory basin
#

I remember we had a controller for the Atari 2600 that was like the center part of the Jaguar controller, a bunch of dome buttons that you could slide cards on top of

mental briar
#

@ivory basin the best test to see if the core version works for you is to see if it loads AVP

ivory basin
#

for Yar's Revenge, and etc

ivory basin
dense ravine
uncut atlas
ashen spoke
ivory basin
#

I am creating a subfolder for all the Jaguar cores while I test

#

I am wondering if it is my Legal Backups Of Games That I Own that is the problem

broken hound
#

Is the PS1 port of Area 51 not close enough to the original?

ivory basin
#

hm. No dice with multiple versions of the core. After a full MiSTer reboot I can get audio (no video) from several different versions of AVP, and I can always get the audio from Club Drive, but no video at all.

mental briar
ivory basin
#

Yes, every time I get the BIOS animation

#

(I have both the Kun modified and the regular Jaguar versions)

mental briar
#

Ok, then yeah, keep going. the ones that worked for me are Jaguar_Rework_DualSDRAM_DV_JagLink_AshTest_20241118 on my misteraddons mister, Jaguar_Rework_dualram_20241114.rbf on my mister pi, and Jaguar_Rework_dualram_20241113.rbf on my retrocastle mister

ashen spoke
mental briar
#

that's...an interesting gif

#

ehh whatever, it's thursday ¯_(ツ)_/¯

#

on second thought, let's not. just pretend I had a funny gif there

ivory basin
#

ah, I have a Mister Pi, I'll try the 241114 version

mental briar
#

thats the one most people have success with

still aurora
#

@ivory basin you sure you have dual ram ?

#

thats 2 physical sticks of ram

ivory basin
#

Yup!

#

the Saturn dual RAM build works on it

still aurora
#

ok people in the last few days seemed confused and thought 2 chips on a stick meant dual ram

ivory basin
#

ah, yes. I forgo Analogue outputs for 2 SDRAM modules

still aurora
#

and you are using the no intro dumps in .jag format ?

ivory basin
#

ahhh, no intro dumps you say

#

I am not, but I saw those in my travels

still aurora
#

no intro generally have the best dumps of rom chip systems

#

of course of the carts you legally own

ivory basin
#

yes, absolutely

#

Which is "better": .rom or .J64?

still aurora
#

think .j64

#

although I am not sure to be honest

ivory basin
#

I'll take wild hunches at this point 🙂

still aurora
#

isnt there a .jag format too ?

#

or did I make that one up

ivory basin
#

nope, that does exist!

still aurora
#

must be .j64 I have my nas off so cant check

#

yep .j64

ivory basin
#

Still black screen, used 20241114 core with no intro .j64 files 😕

still aurora
#

wierd the core is unstable so you may just have to wait

#

is this a real De10. A Taki Pi or Qmtech ?

ivory basin
#

yup, that's entirely possible!

#

Taki Pi

still aurora
#

I run a de10 with a 2.9 primary and a 2.5 secondary , both 128mb and it works for me so far

ivory basin
#

interesting

still aurora
#

its a good Jag emulator

ivory basin
#

avp loads normally in the BigPEmu

still aurora
#

sadly then you will have to w ait for development

ivory basin
#

yup, no worries!

forest tartan
ashen spoke
dense ravine
dense ravine
#

Too slow 😢

ashen spoke
forest tartan
#

I'm anything but cycle accurate. I fall off my bike every week. 🙂

unborn steeple
#

Skinned knees are period appropriate

mental briar
#

Ive spent more time than I'd like to admit looking for either a USB adapter or USB conversion kit for a jaguar controller (since I don't think 8bitdo is rushing to make a middling version of the controller). Has anyone had any luck with this?

#

otherwise it's going to be reflex adapt time

last crater
hot rune
mental briar
#

oh?

cyan wyvern
mental briar
#

I was just looking at that

#

we are flying very close to the linux sun

brittle zinc
#

Does anyone have a link to the latest direct video build? I'm being an idiot I'm sure but struggling to find it

brittle zinc
hot rune
brittle zinc
spiral roost
#

Hmm...just got dual ram for my misterpi. Can't seem to get any games to load on the jaguar core

#

not exactly sure what im doing wrong. Tried several builds in the zip file that was posted here.

mental briar
#

Does the bios boot when you first load the core?

#

(You should see the jaguar logo and get a growl)

spiral roost
#

not sure where to put the boot.rom file

#

just the basic menu boots

#

not jaguar related

mental briar
spiral roost
#

just the mister menu

#

weird...its there.

#

doesnt show up

#

in the game folder?

mental briar
#

Yeah. Hold on, let me find the one duckula made

#

Try this one: #1055574003810578503 message

#

The dual ram Saturn core booted fine for you, right?

spiral roost
#

yes

#

got it

#

needed to restart the mister

#

im playin bubsy!

mental briar
#

A dream come true

#

To test if it’s a version of the core that’s good with your system, test if AVP boots

#

If not, try cores until it does

spiral roost
#

AVP does NOT boot

#

i think this is V9

mental briar
#

Yeah, that’s the tough one. On my dual ram mister pi, it’s the 20241114 build that boots AVP.

#

But that build doesn’t boot AVP on my dual ram retrocastle or misteraddons build

spiral roost
#

is there a way to build a console folder just for jag?

#

i dont want 15 builds on my main console folder

mental briar
#

Yeah. Just name it _Jaguar

spiral roost
#

yup mine boots that version too

#

well there it is....jaguar sucks

#

lol

#

glad i got it working...but man...these games are.....baaaad

#

glad i know my dual RAM is working on my misterpi though.

mental briar
#

Yeah it’s a good test

#

And yea, it’s fucking wild that they expected to pay money for these games

#

Rayman is fun tho

olive pagoda
ivory basin
#

I think that option was turned off on my core, but I will check!