Sega Saturn

[manic mica]

You can tell with the circles

[radiant karma]

The integer math now works, so the old core doing that was incorrect. Any reason why you use integer scaling? I imagine if you do streaming you would want 720p to fill the screen.

[manic mica]

mb went outside

im okay with the old core doing it wrong

as for integer- i just always left it that way bc shimmering etc

and for capture

alot of saturn games i see how often it switches res

stuff like assault suit leynos 2 VF2 VC you name it

so it was less jarring to just have it behave incorrectly i guess

so for 720 the content of the game would simply fill the screen from a stream standpoint if i just sized the capture in OBS to account for whats missing

and it would just stay uniform

and from my perspective at home the size wouldnt fill the screen but was still uniform

[radiant karma]

I think using vsyncadjust=0 vscale=0 and a interpolation filter would solve most of your issues while keeping the screen size consistent between games.

[manic mica]

does anyone happen to have the june update all saturn core?

im in the github for srg and cant find it lol

[radiant karma]

it's inside the releases dir

[winter phoenix]

Why not do update_all on your MiSTer and just play the default core that downloads?…

[manic mica]

because the entire content of what ive been saying about the screen

i am running the latest

[manic mica]

https://github.com/srg320/Saturn_MiSTer am i on the wrong page or something? yeah usually i see releases in here

i dont know the current page

[ripe valley]

MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer

[manic mica]

thank you zet!

[manic mica]

this the best way tbh

played for a bit and i was curious if this adds any input lag

dont feel like it

[celest lake]

Then it doesn’t

🙂

[manic mica]

TRUE

yeah it dont feel any different tbh

i just want something to blame it on if i get shot down playing silvergun if thats okay

[serene thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-feel-tardy-tardy-van-halen-david-lee-roth-dont-feel-tardy-gif-25509605

CLASS DIS MISSED

[ember terrace]

Does anyone know why I might suddenly be getting 'memory not ready' errors when I try to play saturn games? I never used to get this. I cleared all the memory and I still get it

[celest lake]

Yeah. Check: #1046941029296779344 message

[ember terrace]

Perfect, thank you!

[pine kindle]

So, for Saturn disk images, do they need to be in a folder of their own for each game... or is it ok to dump a bunch of .chd files at the top of games/Saturn/ ?

[ember terrace]

i just have a bunch of chd's in the saturn folder

[pine kindle]

Ah, if one has bin/cue files, then they need to be in a separate directory... but if chd, not so much: https://mister-devel.github.io/MkDocs_MiSTer/basics/cd/#will-mister-ever-support-usb-cd-drives

[rare zephyr]

Anyone experience this on a Mister- Loading Dracula X: Nocturne, play for a while, save, save in the MiSTer OSD, then come back later and at the Drac X title screen I get a message (in english) saying to delete/initialize the internal memory of the console. Im not sure what's causing it. I can get a shot of the image if necessary.

Ive tried selecting load internal RAM before starting a game, starting a game and 'rebooting' the Saturn core, etc. Same thing.

[pearl harbor]

Is it this? #1046941029296779344 message

[rare zephyr]

Oh - btw this happens on the latest update_all version of the core, as well as an unstable one I had from a while back that I never got around to deleting.

[rare zephyr]

Um, lemme check real quick

[rare zephyr]

OK yes, that is the core that is currently in my MiSTer, as well as an unstable from Feb 11. (I just never got around to deleting it)

[pearl harbor]

To be clear, the date listed on that build is not the date of the build itself.

It's just to ensure that update all doesn't over write it.

It's pretty new.

[rare zephyr]

Hm, I believe I ran update_all maybe 2 days ago? I can def run it again if there was a new one since!

[pearl harbor]

The build I linked to is the latest unstable build that is only about a week old.

Ignore the date in the file name.

[rare zephyr]

OK, gotcha. Will download and add. Back in a few.

OK, FIRST of all - holy shit the map loading is NOTICEABLY faster on this build. Damn! Thats awesome. Secondly, it appears after loading the backup RAM, the saves were there. Now Im gonna try to save, close out, try it again, etc.

[stiff latch]

I'm just gonna use my real Saturn in the meantime

:)

[rare zephyr]

hehe nice. Love the white Sattys. Ive got mine (standard Mod 2 US) in my Ent center but my MiSTer is just chock full of all kinds of other goodness so I tend to use it more often than not.

[pearl harbor]

You have made your MiSTer both sad and lonely!

[stiff latch]

I have faith in the core maintainers

[rare zephyr]

also I think that appears to have aleviated the issue. I saw the same thing with Princess Crown (at least losing my saves) so Im gonna check on that, but I wager its no longer an issue.

[stiff latch]

My mister is like a cat, it likes to perch up high above the rest of my hardware

[pearl harbor]

Mine sits on my lap at all times. Occasionally purrs.

The MiSTer that is.

[glossy steppe]

Mine can be tempermantal sometimes and not listen to me, so yeah, I guess it is a cat

[burnt matrix]

I need a pin of that

[teal steppe]

the white one 🙂

[ancient surge]

It has been more than a week since the last update.

Srg has FORGOTTEN about Saturn. 💔

[burnt matrix]

Good, the 3DO revolution will commence

https://tenor.com/view/panasonic-3do-console-wars-toy-box-baby-games-super-nintendo-entertainment-system-gif-18327272376180857973

[drowsy hull]

No 32x? Weak..

[celest lake]

man, that poor model 2 mega cd

you can hear that connector just snap

[ripe valley]

R-Zone core incoming.

[strong osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/647909398072655907/1408519400692121742/virtualboy.gif

[serene thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/terminator2-judgement-day-t800-war-gif-19401019

[grand remnant]

2029 is close 🦾

[deft verge]

looking at princess crown right now, that pixel are is stunning

i should play more saturn

[obsidian herald]

Everyone should play more Saturn

[sharp forum]

https://tenor.com/view/im-doing-my-part-serious-stare-gif-11979677

[green swift]

Is the translation complete on that one? Been a minute since I’ve followed along.

[deft verge]

there has been an update a few months ago, i haven't updated to yet and i think the previous one was completely already just having some graphical glitches? i'm not sure though tbh

[burnt matrix]

It's been complete since April - https://github.com/eadmaster/pcrown

[glossy steppe]

It hit 1.0, the creator considers it basically release worthy and updates have slowed, but still wants to fix a few things up eventually

[green swift]

Nice. I’ll wait for 1.1 haha

[glossy steppe]

Well, it was being updated very often, but since it hit 1.0 last April there has been no updates yet

[deft verge]

damnit, my princess crown save disappeared

[winter phoenix]

Are you using the latest unstable Saturn core?

[deft verge]

i was using the one in the pins to replace the stable one because of that ram issue

[winter phoenix]

Hmm

I’m sorry

[deft verge]

all good, i wasn't that far in anyway, currently having a look whether i can reproduce that issue and/or whether it's an issue on my end

nvm, it was the classic of the mistake being placed between chair and the table

i didn't have autosave turned on, beginner's mistake

[ripe valley]

I asked a new evaluation for Garou Densetsu 3 on multiple real systems revisions.

All emulators (and the current core) seem to be faulty, and I made a mistake the last time I reported it.
You were right, and thank you for correcting me.

No black line visible here on a direct game capture.

I informed StrikerX3 on Ymir too.

I apologize for this gross error on my part. I should have better controlled the feedback I was given.

[visual grove]

We demand perfection because we are all perfect and never are wrong

[drowsy hull]

np, you are working hard and preflight stress can do things to people.
Setup was easy enough to complain and refute aurhority

With that I have done my mark in the anals if saturn history and am waiting for my "was right on the internet" plaque

[visual grove]

huehuehue

[celest lake]

You're too hard on yourself, duder. ❤️ I hope things elsewhere are improving.

And I hope you have forgiven yourself for letting SRG work on the 3DO core in your absence.

[ripe valley]

I haven't heard from srg320 in a few days. I hope he's doing well.
The SMPC situation is complex, even for celeriyacon. This chip is a nightmare, and most of the features weren't used at all on the original system.

Especially some parts of the HMCS400 core in the SMPC.

Without a ROM dump of the MCU, this might be the limits of current knowledge about the system.

[burnt matrix]

I knew it all along but didn’t want to intervene

[celest lake]

Obviously we need someone to write a super pedantic test rom so we know how good the saturn core is

I can’t judge without a test rom

[wise brook]

https://tenor.com/view/westworld-if-you-cant-tell-does-it-matter-gif-20585026

[ripe valley]

In progress.

[burnt matrix]

I AM SEGA NOW - https://tgs.sega.jp/2025/en/lineup/12/

https://tenor.com/view/segata-sanshiro-nod-yes-gif-5612081

[winter phoenix]

nice

[muted cradle]

@wet hull : are Radiant Silvergun and Guardian Force in the offset repo still up to date? Or are there versions more current?

[warped saddle]

they probably need the bios switching stuff done to them

although it matters less for RS

[glossy steppe]

Bios switching? What for?

[warped saddle]

ST-V regions

[glossy steppe]

Oh, is this something different than the Alternate Bios option in the OSD settings for STV games?

[warped saddle]

no

[ripe valley]

It's Saturnday! The core passes all the tests, once more.

[mortal mist]

Great!❤️

[ancient surge]

Big day for those that love buses.

[marble laurel]

Ymir has also an update 🙂

[visual grove]

Robby’s natural enemy

[muted cradle]

Mankind should not move freely without rails. The present state of our planet proves that

[visual grove]

Damn Robby is deep

[winter phoenix]

the rails provide guidance, safety, provenance.

[ripe valley]

I'm testing some demos (Flash, Tech and others) + several prototypes since yesterday night on the core.
Just to be sure that nothing is missing.

A friend of mine is testing once more with his original console + Fenrir ODE when I see something strange, before reporting anything to srg320.

I can't test everything, so I cherry-picked the ones that failed on current Mednafen, SSF & Ymir versions.

[pearl harbor]

Saturnday!!! 🤘 🤘

[stiff latch]

time to update, thanks for your hard work

[wise brook]

not via update all?unless you’re using the extension that adds on nightlies

[stiff latch]

thats correct

[ripe valley]

Wait a few days and help me test your favorite (or least favorite) games.
We'll see if a new stable version can be produced after that.

[celest lake]

any focused testing you need done, duder?]

[ripe valley]

At least some big titles, and some US games on the compatibility list that were marked with possible errors if you can too.

Just quickly check if a regression is present (or not), and double-check games that were tested last year or even 2 years ago.

[sturdy dagger]

Do i hear someone wanting Resident Evil to be tested? Another excuse for me to play it?

(If i remember, i can look at doing another playthrough of either Resident Evil or Biohazard on the Saturn 🙂 )

[celest lake]

there was a bug in resident evil at one point...

@sturdy dagger you can check if barry is magical again #1046941029296779344 message

[sturdy dagger]

hahahaha

Il have a look tomorrow.

[inner kayak]

I think We're All Bozos On This Bus

[glossy steppe]

Bozo the Clown?

[inner kayak]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Think_We're_All_Bozos_on_This_Bus

later revealed that "bozo" is an acronym for "brotherhood of zips and others," and that a "zip" is the type of person who enjoys doing their own taxes.); he says, "I think we're all bozos on this bus." After a stewardess tells the passengers to prepare for "a period of simulated exhilaration"

to make this relevant to this discord: Clem is one of the first "computer hackers" mentioned in pop culture, and his dialogue with the fair's computer includes messages found in the DEC PDP-10,

[muted cradle]

Finally a "tate-able" CRT. Batsugun, Sonic Wings, Gunbird, I am coming!!

[safe trail]

Ouch, that's even before MY time

That is to say, I was alive, but not yet listening to comedy

[inner kayak]

same here, but some of my friend's parents were pretty hip 😉 I was very active in the hacking scene at a young age, so a comedy record effectively about hacking blew my mind

[sturdy dagger]

In order for me to test the latest core, do i need unstable main? As i dont really use that

[mortal mist]

latest stable is ok

[muted cradle]

@warped saddle , @wet hull , but do those still run OK, just missing a feature or are those broken until an update is made?

[deft verge]

not sure where to ask, but since this is a core with dual option... is there a way to tell whether the MiSTer recognized both ram sticks? i just installed my second one

[acoustic sable]

Run a dual ram core; if it works it worked.

[deft verge]

ah, so i guess it works then, great

[glossy steppe]

I thnk if you are using an older version of the Analog I/O board you also have to flip a switch?

There is a dual-RAM version of the RAM tester too you can use to check

[acoustic sable]

*digital board but yes

[deft verge]

so i assume a dual ram core would just crash or not boot at all without a second stick them

[acoustic sable]

Yep

[deft verge]

okay, i wasn't sure thanks for the help!

[glossy steppe]

Right, digital board, had a brainfart there

No switch needed if there is no IO board?

[ripe valley]

Black screen if you don't have a second RAM stick.

The BIOS will not launch.

[deft verge]

on my end the unstable dualram saturn core launched into bios and loaded a game

[ripe valley]

So, it's working as intended.

[winter phoenix]

Got a busted twin stick controller? If the joint is the problem, you could fix it with a new fan-made part designed for 3D printers — get the details in my story:

https://www.segasaturnshiro.com/2025/09/12/repair-a-twin-stick-with-this-3d-printed-part/

[strong zephyr]

Hey all, not sure if this a known issue or somehow user error on my side, but 2 konami games i tried (parodius da and sexy parodius) will not save both mention issues with the internal battery? When i go to the memory manager it seems fine. I was able to save from sega rally and can copy that to the battery save from the back up cartridge. Anyone have any idea whats going on?

[ripe valley]

@strong zephyr

What version of the core do you use ? Stable ? Unstable ?

[strong zephyr]

Stable, ran update all few days ago, mon or tuesday

[pearl harbor]

Use this #1046941029296779344 message

Or the latest unstable build from yesterday will work as well.

Well two days ago.

[strong zephyr]

ok lemme try it

[pearl harbor]

Hopefully we can get a new stable Saturn build rolled out soon to avoid the issue. An update to stable Main was rolled out that adjusted how saves work on Saturn. So running update all will break the old stable Saturn build's saving.

Thankfully it's an easy enough fix for anyone who is comfortable installing unstable builds.

[strong zephyr]

ah, well looks like i will need to go that route as your stable file did not change anything (to be sure, needs to be place here right? /media/fat/_Console) the version number was also indentical

and would the unstalble saturn core work as is or would i also need an unstable mister main or so?

[small ore]

that file linked is the previous unstable that has the save changes still, but was renamed so that update_all wouldn't install an older version

The stable main is fine, you do not need unstable

[strong zephyr]

ok, let me clear the internal memory to be sure

interesting, with the old 'core' the memory was not used at all, now at least a save file is written, still gives the same error, copying to back up cart also does not make a difference, so off to the latest unstable core i go 🙂

Still no dice! Just to be sure, for you saving with this core does work with the games i mentioned? sega rally also worked fine.

[strong zephyr]

Oh well at least i am aware of the issues now, will check back again when i can. Thanks for the help all!

[winter phoenix]

Which Saturn games sold the most in the U.S.? Did any third-party games do well? Which year was the console's strongest? Newly released charts from Circana reveal all that and more — I break it down in my story:

https://www.segasaturnshiro.com/2025/09/12/circana-director-posts-saturn-u-s-sales-charts/

[obsidian herald]

I love that the #2 games NiGHTS. Saturn was for weirdos and thats why I love it.

[clear condor]

Is that just because it was part of a bundle?

[obsidian herald]

I suspect so but that's such a weird game for everyone to have on their shelf

[pearl harbor]

It was the big game marketed by Sega for the console around the time that Mario 64 and Crash Bandicoot were out on the other consoles. And it was known as the big Sonic Team game. So not really that suprising honestly.

[winter phoenix]

Bundled game sales aren’t counted in these charts from Circana

Unless you mean the 3D controller it was bundled with (which is counted in these charts)

[ripe valley]

I asked if srg320 could create a new stable version.

Also explaining the situation, which forces us to communicate here and on other sites (thanks Danthrax by the way) about having to manually install a more recent version of the core outside of Update_all.

After three days of testing, I don't see any major issues with the current core that would require us to hold off on a stable release.
Unless srg320 has a technical reason.

[strong zephyr]

My issue should not occur with that latest core? (i tried both the one @pearl harbor shared and the ones in the pins) cuz i was unable to resolve it...? i can redownload the games but do not recall having issues in the past (have to admit not having played both games a lot before...if at all :S )

[ripe valley]

I have not yet taken a detailed look at the issue you are experiencing, I will look in detail later today if you allow me, and if I see anything, I will contact you (or one of the others already on the subject) during today.

I have to help Ymir's team in return before, for helping us with the Garou Densetsu 3 issue. I have to return the favor.

[mortal mist]

I have a dulasdram version with good timings if anyone wants it. The 128mb + 32mb combo works fine for me again. I had problems with it before, but I only checked unstable builds.

[ripe valley]

srg320 : " I'm not against releasing a new version."

@strong zephyr Let's wait for the new stable version, update again via Update_All after that and check if the issue persists on your side after that.

Thanks for your patience.

[atomic knot]

Someone with the error "Error on cartridge. Press service button to exit" with latest unstable stv core (20250910) and main (20250912)? Eg. Batman mra.

[hearty marten]

A new stable core would be HUGE, as the YouTubers would say

[weary bolt]

;14

[cursive tree]

Just did an update_all a few moments ago and downloaded the last STV unstable and got this error message when trying to load Batman Forever. I am using the last unstable main too. Anyone is having this problem too? Seens like the others Titan games are ok

[ripe valley]

If I remember well, there is an option to change on the initial configuration of the game with the Service Mode.

Like it is declared as a incorrect cabinet setting, but I can't reproduce it at the moment (all my MiSTer systems are already configured and initialized with that game).

[cursive tree]

I will try to find it. Thanks. Funny thing is that it was working with the previous build

[ripe valley]

Check the System Assigments, CABINET TYPE as 2P & ALONE/MULTI as ALONE.

I could reproduce it if I change the CABINET TYPE as 1P.

[warped saddle]

what's weird is that should be being set by the default nvram/bios

[cursive tree]

Everything seens to be right already. Didn’t need to change anything

[warped saddle]

is 'cabinet type' changable?

[cursive tree]

Yes, it is

[ripe valley]

I would try to remove the conf file and the NVRAM one, and redo the whole setup of that game.

[glossy steppe]

I just ran into a game that seems to be pretty broken on the Saturn core. I was actually trying it out on Ymir and it was broken there too in a similar way. Can anyone else confirm that it's not just me?

[warped saddle]

are we supposed to guess?

[glossy steppe]

I was copy-pasting the name

Gokujou Parodius Da! Deluxe Pack

[fluid root]

me to for batman but radiant silvergun run ...

[glossy steppe]

The main game works, the retro game mostly displays a black screen

With a few graphics appearing here and there

[ripe valley]

Nice catch.

[warped saddle]

I wonder if the mras just need to zero out the nvram

[ripe valley]

I inform srg320 about Gokujou Parodius Da! Deluxe Pack right now.

[glossy steppe]

Thanks. Just happened to run into it when trying to transfer my save files over from my original saturn, and that game was one of them

This happened before I transferred the save files just to be clear

[cursive tree]

Didn’t work. I will try to download the mra again. Yeah, that didn’t work too

[glossy steppe]

I was having some odd issues with ST-V earlier too. It gave me an error that the System ... something. System Interrupt? System Settings? Something like that were not applicable to the game.., resetting it did not help, but rebooting the mister and trying the game again worked

On Golden Axe Duel

[fluid root]

some games run ... cotton2 for example

[warped saddle]

it's because some of those settings are in ddr3 and I bet you have something in that memory area from a previous run

[glossy steppe]

It dosen't reset those when you load a new game? I would have had to reboot to load a different arcade game in the first place

[warped saddle]

cores don't clear/erase memory on load unless specifically coded to do so

[glossy steppe]

I see. By any chance is that the reason why on the saturn core half the time it thinks a game disk isn't bootable unless I reset if I switch games?

[cursive tree]

Reboot don’t fix it for me

[glossy steppe]

Tried deleting teh save/settings file for that game and rebooting?

[ripe valley]

I always reset, even on the original system when I change games (but not when using a multi-disc one).

[cursive tree]

Yes, I did. Tried to use the previus build and it didn´t work too. I will try to return to previus unstable main or the last stable main

[warped saddle]

ok, the 'eeprom' is zero'd if the rom has no default .nv file in it. I wonder if the entire save/nvram needs to be cleared too

[cursive tree]

Return to this previous unstable mister main from 20250831 and the game working again.

[ripe valley]

I'm on 200911 MiSTer Main file and the game works as intended, even when I removed the conf and NVRAM files.
Scratching my head

[warped saddle]

also let's just make sure everything is clear. when you said 'reset' previous you meant 'power off' and not the menu cold reboot or whatever?

[serene thunder]

Maybe "reset" option in core menu

[cursive tree]

Power off

Make some test with the 3 lastest unstable mister main: it seens the game "broke" for me using this build: #unstable-nightlies message

I am using a de10 DR right now. I will try to use some other setups

[warped saddle]

I wonder if JT's mra change broke something

[cursive tree]

Same result using a Mister Pi SR with a fresh sd card. Batman only works with the 20250831 unstable Mister Main

[cursive tree]

I was wondering the same thing

But seens I am the only one having this issue. Maybe I am doing something wrong

[small mortar]

I can confirm I also had to roll back to the 20250831 unstable Mister Main to succesfully run Batman Forever

[warped saddle]

no, batman is broken for me too. Zet has a haunted mister or something

(just updated). it is writing a different byte pattern to memory from previous, so likely JT's change had unforseen consequences

[cursive tree]

Thank you all for testing it. Should we alert Jotego? I think my English isn’t good enough to explain it for him😂

[ripe valley]

I'll redo the test later today.

[ripe valley]

MiSTer v250911
ST-V v250910

Mister Pi (Batch 2)

All config, DIPs, NVRAM files & folders removed.
MiSTer Pi powered off and launched once again.

My game works with the MRA - Batman Forever (JUE 960507 V1.000) posted just after.

2025-06-15 as last modification date.

[small mortar]

I'm also testing on a MiSTer Pi from Batch 2.
MiSTer v250911 and ST-V v250910.

Repeated all the steps posted above by Zet (including deleting the game rom and mra and allowing update all to download again).

Still not working for me unless I rollback to MiSTer v250831.

[ripe valley]

Did you tried with my MRA file too ?

[floral saddle]

Tried your MRA, doesn't work for me with latest unstables. Error on cartridge message.

[ripe valley]

I have some magic MiSTer systems, four of them. 😉
I have the same MRA, same files, same Main MiSTer, and the latest Single or Dual (depending on the system) core installed on them.

Let me check some game files.

I don't use the Update_All script to install new games, I have my own storage server with the latest arcade sets.

stvbios.zip

batmanfr.zip

[floral saddle]

Those match what I have. Soukyugurentai errors out too.

Deleted the nvram, config files etc for batman and now it doesnt even go to the cartridge error screen or let you go to the service menu, goes straight to a black screen.

[ripe valley]

I don't understand why it works on my side, on my 4 MiSTer systems, but not yours anymore.

Even Soukyugurentai works.

[floral saddle]

Fresh install of everything to a new sd card a couple of days back too, can't thing of anything that would potentially be wrong on my end.

[marble laurel]

I have also issues with Soukyugurentai but didnt tried batman (not on my mister)
Zet-sensei could you please share your mra ?

I tested with last unstalble main mister and last unstable of STV core

[celest lake]

I’ll ask the obvious dumb question because it’s a mistake I would totally make: folks are moving the unstable stv into arcade/cores, yeah?

[cursive tree]

yes

[floral saddle]

Rolled back to unstable main before "[JOTEGO 2025-09-11 3659307] mra_loader: fix mapping", batman and souky work. Don't work with anything after.

[cursive tree]

Tried Zet´s MRA too but it dind´t work too

[marble laurel]

Thank you will check the mra against mine to see if any differences tomorrow

[ripe valley]

Completely crazy.

[cursive tree]

Zakk said maybe this is the cause of the issue

[ripe valley]

But why isn't it deterministic?

It should fail on my all configurations too.

[cursive tree]

Tested it with 2 different configuration (de10 DR and PI SR) and both failed at my side. At first I was thinking maybe I was doing something wrong, but at last 5 different people got same problem (me, Zakk, - , wark91 and SaintRG )

[floral saddle]

Booted VF Kids, VF Remix, Baku Baku Animal, Astra Superstars and Winter Heat back to back, none of them work.

[radiant karma]

Same on my de10 mister DR, something broke with the unstable.

[ripe valley]

There is something I've done that works for me, and not for everyone else...

[warped saddle]

the latest main results in the rom layout being completely different in memory than the previous one

[ripe valley]

Sorry for the faint colors, my screen is not easy to catch on photos

[radiant karma]

I had no issues on stable main, just updated to unstable to double check what you guys reported. Hit the same issue.

[radiant karma]

Maybe depends on sdram? DDR like the grandia issue?

[warped saddle]

no

his change modifies how the mra constructs the rom

[hallow fossil]

Could this change impact other arcade cores if S-TV is impacted?

[warped saddle]

maybe but honestly finding any that extensively use map= that aren't jotego cores is hard

and the way st-v is using it is not like a lot of others

[celest lake]

I also cannot get it to work. tried diddling with all the settings

[ancient surge]

Maybe a bad build?

[ripe valley]

Yes.

I could help @celest lake with my own compilations.

I requested some other tests when he will be available.
EDIT : It works on multiple games tried (Die Hard, Astra Super Stars, Terra Diver, Batman...).

'Touché, mon ami.'

For everyone with the issue on the ST-V core - Try and report after testing with that file.

@celest lake and myself could use the core (once more for him).

[lone island]

One thing I really hope comes to the Saturn core is the ability to use Action Replay cheats. Many other popular cores have cheats.

[warped saddle]

a main without this commit will work: https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer/commit/7aad9e81e359a56ae81dc789ef6f50b0cb98d21c

[atomic knot]

Your Main is v250911 and the error in my case occurs on v250912

[small mortar]

Confirmed working here with your build.

[radiant karma]

This mister main fixed my issues with stv

[strong zephyr]

Of course, thanks!

[tawny forge]

jtbug

Has anyone opened a PR reverting this yet?

[ripe valley]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer/issues/1033

I formally requested the issue ticket here to be reopened.

My build shared yesterday doesn't contain the commit, and Zakk confirmed it too.

(I'm not available for the rest of the day, see you tomorrow).

[ripe valley]

Okay, jotego redirected me on that PR discussion.
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer/pull/1034#issuecomment-3289319222

[ripe valley]

Saturnday!

[burnt matrix]

Pins updated

[marble laurel]

Thank you Zakk for fixing mra's 👍

[warped cliff]

Man, how long has it been since we've had new stable builds?

I'm loving these updates, its just that I have different sdcards for latest stable and latest unstable. Its sometimes annoying to switch them

[warped cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[ripe valley]

Give us some days of tests.

[strong zephyr]

Unstable mister main required? (or just pinned by default?)

[cursive tree]

New S32X core on its way too?

[radiant karma]

Anyone with a USB lightgun that uses the saturn core? It seems there is a bug, but not sure if I may have done something wrong so wanted someone else to chip in. I have noticed that you cannot offscreen reload using the right side of the screen. Just top, bottom and left side works correctly. Tested in VC 1, 2 and HOTD. If using the cursor it won't disappear when pointing offscreen to the right, which should be the correct behaviour if you want offscreen reload.

[wise brook]

you’ll need to ask Electron Ash, he’s plugging away on the Dreamcast.

if i recall correctly there was some need to adjust a part of the code he implemented

[radiant karma]

I have been looking at the other cores with lightgun support, snes and PS1 allow the cursor to disappear when moving offscreen. NES doesn't. Megadrive is odd, only allows it to move offscreen top and bottom, not to the sides. So, it seems there is no standard implementation amongst cores. Saturn and PSX have games that need offscreen reload, so only Saturn would need a fix for those games.

[wise brook]

i mean, it doesn’t

i just use the guncon button on the bottom of the grip as the reload

works excellent

feels more involved than flicking the wrist off screen

i think any button you map as b or c will work for that

[radiant karma]

Had no idea you could reload with a button on the gun. Should be much easier than offscreen reload. Still, a bug is a bug, hope it is something that can be fixed. It may not be really important as I never noticed until I had to play with my kid, and I used P2, so offscreen reload to the right was the first thing I thought of, but surprisingly didn't work.

[wise brook]

ask electronash

he programmed the entire usb lightgun support

he’s on this discord

[radiant karma]

Hi @untold cloud, just wanted to report a problem with offscreen reload with USB lightguns on Saturn. Maybe it is something you are already aware of?

[thorn pagoda]

shooting outside the screen to reload was definitely working back when lightgun was first added - i tested using RS3 reapers

[pearl harbor]

He did fix this actually, but it was never rolled into the official unstable builds. I have the build that has the fix. I'll grab it and share it here.

It's a fairly old build though now. Back from February.

[radiant karma]

It works if you reload left, up or down, just not from the right side of the screen.

[radiant karma]

Thanks! Wonder why there was never a PR for that fix.

[pearl harbor]

@radiant karma You can see the conversation from back in February when I mentioned it to ElectronAsh. His responses were just below it. #1046941029296779344 message

But yeah, any time I play lightgun games on the core, I always load up that specific version of the core since it's the only one that has the fix.

[glossy steppe]

You could always just create an _Unstable folder in root to put them in

[radiant karma]

I never noticed before today. We were playing area 51 on PSX core, then switched to the Saturn version and noted the difference as I was playing P2 so got used to the right side to reload. After switching to vcop 1&2 and HOTD, they all behaved the same. Hope this reminds electronash to PR the fix.

[radiant karma]

This worked great! You need to map B to a gun button. Wonder how is this possible? The Sega Virtua gun had no extra buttons, only A (Trigger) + Start (Side)

[untold cloud]

Hi.

tbh, I haven't looked at any lightgun stuff in a long while.

I thought most of it was handled now, by Srg320 and others, so I just kinda left it to them.

It might possibly be an issue with certain games using a different resolution, and the core not handling that for the offscreen check.

It's probably best to just post a new Issue about it. That's far more likely to get noticed / replied to by Srg320...

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues

I've only just seen that Saturn and ST-V are still compiled from the same project, just with separate Quartus project files.

Which is quite a neat way to do it.

The offscreen check...

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/blob/main/rtl/lightgun.sv#L159

[coarse token]

offscreen <= !lg_x[8:1] || lg_x >= (screen_width-2) || !lg_y[7:1] || lg_y >= (vtotal-1'd1);

[untold cloud]

It already does a (screen_width-2), so maybe it needs a bit more.

That basically defines which X position the cursor needs to be above (horizontally), for it to consider it "offscreen".

It people don't mind the cursor disappearnig a bit sooner around the edges, then you'd just need to tweak that one value maybe.

The ! (not) thing, is checking for when lg_x or lg_y == zero.

So those checks are for the left-hand, and top of the screen.

Then obviously the check for vtotal is for the top edge of the screen.

To be completely honest, I don't really have the time spare to start compiling new cores again.

I feel like, when I was compiling test cores before, some people didn't like it, as it "muddied the waters".

Which I can kind of understand, because then there are lots of different versions floating around, with certain YouTubers doing vids on them, etc. lol

But you should be able to download and install Quartus 17 for free, then compile the core.

I don't think it even needs a "patch" for Quartus. It just means you won't be able to use features like SignalTap for debugging.

AFAIK, all of the cores are still compiled using version 17 (or with the 17.1 update).

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/software-kit/669393/intel-quartus-prime-standard-edition-design-software-version-17-1-for-windows.html

Also should be the "Standard" version, AFAIK. That's what I've always used.

No idea why they have the Windows version within a TAR file. lol

Can probably extract that with 7-zip or WinRAR.

A lot of the lightgun code was actually written by @regal holly and others, btw.

I originally added my own crusty version, but then realized it wasn't too hard to just paste in most of the code from the MD core.

I mean, I would have compiled a test core, with that one tiny tweak.

But...

Quartus still has its quirks.

Can't really do the mapping any better than this.

if (HRES[0]) lg_x <= j_x + (j_x >> 2) + (j_x >> 3);    // Map 0-255 to 352-wide res. (actually 0-349, but close enough)
else lg_x <= j_x + (j_x >> 2);                // Map 0-255 to 320-side res. (actually 0-318, but close enough)

At least not without making it a non-linear thing.

Actually, that might even be the problem.

If the screen width is 352, but the cursor can only ever reach 349.

[radiant karma]

Thanks ElectroAsh, but this issue I reported was already fixed by you months ago as @pearl harbor mentioned. Just that the fixes were never PR.

[untold cloud]

Then the check is for lg_x >= (screen_width-2) , that would be 352-2 = 350.

Oh. lol

My fault for not reading the replies after the tag. lol

I was gonna say, though, I did a fair bit of testing back then, and thought I'd had the offscreen thing working OK.

np

oic, yep. I figured out the same issue back then. I just never did a PR for it.

At the time, other people were still adding features, and the Saturn core was already super full.

Which made it very hard to keep up with things, and then some of the lightgun stuff no longer even fit the FPGA.

The situation might have changed since ST-V is compiled as a separate core. Not sure.

If I have the brain power spare in the next week, I'll post an issue about it.

Issue thingy posted...

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/468

That would make it go "offscreen" at lg_x==316 for low-res.

And at 348 for higher-res.

(low res is 320 pixels horizontal. Higher res is 352.)

[radiant karma]

Thanks! Sorry I had to bother you on a weekend.

[untold cloud]

np. I'm not usually doing a whole lot atm anyway. Just having some pretty severe burnout atm.

So it's hard to think, even for the simpler stuff.

I've had about five different PCB projects to build, which have been sat on the bench for over 9 months now. I just can't face it. lol

[celest lake]

@ripe valley Do you have any inkling as to whether or not SRG is going to do a stable? I was thinking of doing a PWM build for @stiff needle if we aren’t close to a stable

[amber heart]

Sorry if this is known already but Batman forever STV still isn’t working for me with the latest unstable main and STV core

[celest lake]

when did you last run update all?

[glossy steppe]

Huh, I just tried Batman Forever STV yesterday with the latest unstable STV, but latest stable main, and it worked for me

[celest lake]

yeah, its the unstable main that is gumming it up. Zakk updated the MRAs yesterday, so they should work with the unstable now

[glossy steppe]

Yup, just tried it, on the unstable STV that was posted here on the 13th, stable mister main, working fine for me. It even still remembers I have 19 credits from the last time I played two builds ago

[hearty marten]

#1046941029296779344 message

it seems so

[glossy steppe]

BTW, speaking of this game, I had never seen it before and have no idea what the developers were on, but I loved it

[ripe valley]

I'd like to request a week of beta testing here, launch everything you want on the core during that time.

After that, if we don't find anything, srg320 could probably promote the core to a new stable version.

What do you think about it ?

[celest lake]

I don’t want to rush anyone’s process. I just wanted to see if it was worth building a PWM build based on the unstable for folks. Seems like it might be just in case (assuming the PWM repot builds, that is)

[hearty marten]

Agree with not rushing, but I think a new stable soon-ish would be wise if the current stable core doesn’t work with stable main. Waiting for 0 issues seems like an impossible ask 😅

[amber heart]

Are the mras updated through update all now?

[celest lake]

Yep!

[amber heart]

Thanks I’ll do that tonight. The latest ones I could find online were from 4/24

[warped saddle]

yes, everyone should be using mras from the official repo that you get via the normal updater/downloader. my repo is no longer up to date

[winter phoenix]

What exactly did the unstables yesterday do?

[ripe valley]

The unstable core fixed a regression on Gokujou Parodius da! (on Parodius Da!), a regression on NBA Action 98 & persistent frame of the SEGA BIOS logo on Flash SegaSaturn Vol. 20 (when choosing the auto demo of Nanatsu Kaze no Shima Monogatari).

And Zakk fixed the MRAs for the ST-V, after jotego changed some code on the mra_loader (Main MiSTer file).

[celest lake]

Man, I have never seen quartus hate a core like it hates saturn

Can't run DSE. Crashes on compile 30% of the time

[wise brook]

https://tenor.com/view/segata-sanshiro-karate-explosion-gif-5612076

Saturn core vs Quartus

[celest lake]

sigh

[warped saddle]

I wonder if just not using the UI is more stable

I can't recall ever having the linux command line compiler crash during a build

[celest lake]

totally could be

[ripe valley]

I just had that one time, like 2 years ago.

[celest lake]

im getting it constantly on the latest stuff. I've never seen this error before the latest saturn release

[ripe valley]

Right now, I'm annoyed with people repeating the information from our discussion here with Danthrax (weeks later too), where I stated that 100% of celeriyacon's tests pass with the Saturn core.

But that has been twisted into: the core replicates the Saturn at 100%.

srg320 had to intervene, and that bothers me.

[wise brook]

this might sound a little harsh, but
pirat nation on twitter is a cancer

[ripe valley]

I hope that srg320 will not hold it against me and that he will have understood that this information has been distorted by people outside the project (I was told about the reputation of that... person), who do not know what they are talking about, or even write clickbait articles on the backs of other honest people.

[sacred goblet]

What is the best scanline filter for saturn core?

[stiff latch]

yeah i kept wondering why that made the news cycle

i was like "these guys clearly dont understand"

[wise brook]

the comments on time extension, aka the retro tabloid, takes my evaluation of the species down yet another notch

[ripe valley]

@celest lake I can't test at the moment for the compilation.

[celest lake]

No worries man. I’m just trying to get a pwm core that passes timing

[celest lake]

Everyone is chasing the algorithm and it suuuuuuuuuucks

Why be right when you can be first

[floral saddle]

I like this setup for 240p content but these things are subjective, there's no such thing as best imho.

[winter phoenix]

yeah that annoys me, too. My story very clearly states that the core passes all currently known tests and the fourth paragraph is a quote from you saying "The work is not completely finished as we have to check other things on VDP1 and some future tests of Celeriyacon" ... But of course no one actually reads anything

I probably should have written a better headline. Something like "Saturn MiSTer Core Passes Every Test So Far"

[winter phoenix]

they're not even first ... they're usually getting their news from me and the other SHIRO! members and doing a worse job of reporting it

[wise brook]

they are the first at reposting it to their target of turbo normies

[ripe valley]

Without citing their sources.

[wise brook]

well, ironically

Danthrax did happen to be in the screen grab

[winter phoenix]

I'm famous~

[celest lake]

it all sucks bad :/

[celest lake]

I haven’t solved the DSE thing but the crashes may have been smart recompile gumming up the works

nooooope

[ivory kindle]

I am getting like an audio skipping sound on Nights into Dreams, is that just me?

weird, my CHD copy works fine but not bin/cue

[amber heart]

Ok I ran update all and am using the latest unstable main and STV cores and I’m still getting an error on Batman forever

And Terra Driver

[floral saddle]

same, games worked again until i ran update all and got the new mra files downloaded.

[ripe valley]

Pro Yakyuu Greatest Nine '98 - Summer Action have regressed, indeed.

It was working earlier this year.

[celest lake]

You guys aren’t on the unstable

you’re on zet’s fixed unstable

which means the MRAs are back compat

[amber heart]

Which one should I be on?

[celest lake]

https://github.com/MiSTer-unstable-nightlies/Main_MiSTer/releases/download/unstable-builds/MiSTer_unstable_20250914_108fbb

[amber heart]

This is what I’m on

[celest lake]

are you certain? if you’re on that then the old MRAs wouldn’t have worked. Remember, zet posted a “fixed” unstable

if you’re using the unstable updater script, it’s going to tell you there is no update because nothing has changed on the github side since last time it checked

you have to manually replace main

[amber heart]

The main in my sd card is definitely the 9/14 one. I’ll try it fresh and see if that works

[amber heart]

Still nothing after replacing main with the exact link you sent.

[celest lake]

hrm, lemme go look

[amber heart]

I’m certain the new MRAs downloaded in update all as well

[celest lake]

We have a real scooby-do mystery here. Dual or single ram stv?

[amber heart]

Dual

[celest lake]

Ooo let me try that

nope, works there too. Try this just in case

[amber heart]

Ok I noticed while I was going to manually install this that all of my STV MRAs are still listed as last being modified on 4/24 even though update all downloaded the latest ones

[celest lake]

Oh wait, are yours in /arcade/stv still?

update all puts them in /arcade

[amber heart]

Yes

Oooh

[celest lake]

check /arcade

[amber heart]

Ok the new ones are in there. Going to confirm in a minute but 99% that was the problem

[amber heart]

Indeed that was the problem. So sorry for wasting your time!

[celest lake]

not at all - glad we figured it out.

[amber heart]

Small thing that went away with a reset but when I initially booted Batman the sound was completely fucked and screeching at me. Is that a known occasional occurrence?

[celest lake]

I have not experienced that. However, I did boot it once and got a black screen and just beeps (which I assumed was a posting issue - reboot fixed it). STV core has weird NVRAM stuff, I think. Akuma mentioned above that it remembers how many coins they put in across games

[amber heart]

I guess it was just mad at me for trying to boot it wrong so much and had to get it out of its system

[celest lake]

batman is so ungrateful. how soon he forgets that there was a time where he could not kick...

[upper dust]

If we don't need the /_STV mra directory anymore, where do we find the JP bios variants, such as for Radiant Silvergun?

[celest lake]

alternatives iirc

i take that back, it's not there. Not sure where they are

[fallow surge]

i just followed a youtube guide to setup stv. copied everything over and then read in the comments section that the information is outdated xd

is there any documentation on where i should put bios and rom files and if the bios files need to be extracted and renamed etc

st-v core

[celest lake]

You can just delete the stuff you added, turn on the arcade rom DB and the bios DB in update_all, and then you can just let it take the wheel

[fallow surge]

i setup kronos in retroarch so i know my back ups are good

[fallow surge]

if i try to run the core directly i can’t select a game. if i navigate to an arcade rom rbf or whatever i get an error. let me reproduce this

[celest lake]

you don't run the stv core directly. you just run one of the games from the _arcade directory

and you likely need the unstable main

[fallow surge]

i ran update all for the heck of it and it cleaned it right up

i’m in batman now. i suppose i should have made a folder for the games instead of dumping them raw in the arcade folder

[celest lake]

you can - but update all is always going to put them back in the arcade folder

because that's where stuff lives - not much you can do about that, unfortunately (except update manually)

[fallow surge]

i appreciate the info

[kind bough]

Time for another culling
At least you can search individual threads now, in 5-10 years then discord may have the user limit thing sorted

[glossy steppe]

Not across games, from my last session playing Batman

[celest lake]

Oh weird. I’ve definitely seen it across games

[glossy steppe]

To be fair I dind't try it across games, I just noticed it remained from when I last played it weeks ago

[celest lake]

Good guy batman doesn’t want you losing money

[vernal sun]

Cull away! Sucks we can't just increase the limit. Must be all that DIscord's AI bots can handle currently.

[tribal needle]

It happens to me as well from time to time since the very moment this game was made playable in the core. I was unable to find a reliable pattern to reproduce this.

[sturdy dagger]

o7

[deft verge]

the purge has begun

[river river]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-snap-finger-snap-gif-14872956

[timid obsidian]

Im in danger...

[acoustic sable]

You were 😄

[river river]

https://tenor.com/view/infinity-war-avengers-spider-man-death-vanish-gif-12094481

[river river]

https://tenor.com/view/dust-ashes-thanos-gone-avengers-endgame-gif-17205719

[acoustic sable]

That should free up some slots. As usual anyone can manually rejoin the thread, it's just that Discord limits attendance to 1000 people for some idiot reason and occasionally we have to cull.

Note! When I am the reaper, I won't chop people who are:

• Online
• Colour-named
• Have the [fpga] flash
• Someone I recognise from chatting

Or who spot themselves upcoming and mention it, like @timid obsidian above 😄

That was literal perfect timing, I was just about to click

[sturdy dagger]

I can't wait for the day when the Gamecom thread needs to be purged

[acoustic sable]

After the fall, rise, and fall of civilisation

[sturdy dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/kung-fu-panda-finally-a-worthy-opponent-our-battle-will-be-legendary-battle-fight-gif-24829111

[polar mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/b99-holt-balloon-pop-gif-10094260

[drowsy hull]

Whaaaaat

[small ore]

[hearty marten]

I survived!!!

Being purple has its advantages 😎

[drowsy hull]

It looks like there is a clear discrimination, unless the next time gets purged back to front

[acoustic sable]

I usually pick a random start letter, but this time just went from the top of the 'offline' list

[deft verge]

soon: tactically changing your name to avoid the purge

[acoustic sable]

I gave the list of preventatives above! [fpga] yourself 🙂

[sturdy dagger]

Just going to change my name to Gamecom Dev

Aint no one disturbing me

[acoustic sable]

Actually we've spoken now so you're covered by point 4

[sharp forum]

Just barely made it, being pink 😮‍💨

[acoustic sable]

pace fading memory obviously

[sharp forum]

Love how discord just arbitrarily enforces limits on people in threads

[sturdy dagger]

There we go

I am immune to all purges

[sharp forum]

Is there a secret fire code that we would be violating if we let too many people in at once?

[open swan]

Threads weren't really meant to be a permanent channel, but that intent and that limit wasn't front and center of the description when they first rolled out the feature to partnered discord servers either.

They were meant as a way to let people diverge from a channel off on a specific topic.

[sharp forum]

Yeah that’s how they’re used in most other servers i’m in

I’m just not active in any other server large enough to have run into the limit 😂

[sturdy dagger]

My main and only complaint was trying to search threads.

But you can now on PC. Not sure when that was changed

[thorn pagoda]

oh did they fix it? nice

[sturdy dagger]

(I generally browse this server on my phone)

[thorn pagoda]

that was a major downside

[sturdy dagger]

Yeah i was just searching the Sega Mega drive/32x thread regarding the Mortal Kombat 2 arcade edition thingy

[lime cove]

"Huh, where did the Saturn thread g-"

[sturdy dagger]

Does the pinned unstable dual ram core come with the fix that allows us to use the Saturn core? (Tried booting up Biohazard and I got a ram error)

[celest lake]

yes

use the one I posted

[sturdy dagger]

Sound. Il have a look when I'm on pc discord. As I can't search threads on mobile 🙁

Ty kindly

[celest lake]

oh, robby must have unpinned it

#1046941029296779344 message

[sturdy dagger]

I see

The linked one in Robby's pin is 2025_0914_17839d.

Your one is 2025_0613

[celest lake]

mine is renamed so update_all doesn't replace it

[sturdy dagger]

Ah right.

[celest lake]

you can also just grab the unstable and use that

it's the same difference

[sturdy dagger]

Well il get both and test anyway. I can drop the dual ram core with the turbo cores located in the other folder

I haven't made the change to unstable main yet. Seems a bit unstable to me

[leaden dagger]

Was there another purge?

[sturdy dagger]

Aye

[sturdy dagger]

Ah I'm just trying the latest pinned one from Robby and dual ram is working fine. I can quickly look at Barry in Biohazard

[celest lake]

our fast boy

[sturdy dagger]

Mate I can't stop highlighting how good RE1 looks on the Saturn

It has charm

[sturdy dagger]

No teleport for me mate

[celest lake]

core's done

ship it

[sturdy dagger]

Hahaha

To be fair, id class teleporting Barry as a feature

Il even check the pal version

Side note. M30 is such a good controller for Resident Evil

[thorn pagoda]

it really is, i use it even when playing re on psx core

[sturdy dagger]

I'm going to have to try that too.

Yep no teleport on pal version of Resi either

[pearl harbor]

I have survived again! I am invincible! 💪 ||Am I tempting fate!?||

[frail heath]

Ok, I'm having some major issues with the Saturn Core atm on one of my Misters and I have no idea why

I get this error that from what I can tell is complaining about the Backup RAM and that I should press L or R while pressing the reset button to go to the data management thingie. But that only fixes it temporarily, everytime I start the game (Batsugun in this case) I get this error

I get a similar prompt whilst starting Dead or Alive or a bunch of other games, where I can just click past it

I'm using the Saturn core from Update all on this Mister, so im not running a Beta core

[small ore]

That is the problem, the latest mister main from update all broke the stable saturn core from update all, you will need a recent unstable core from #unstable-nightlies

[frail heath]

Cheers

[wise brook]

did you happen to see the article written on the Shiro! website

don’t know if any of the ‘tubers covered

[tender axle]

Hello, someone have issues with ST-V ?

[wise brook]

it’s been resolved, scroll back and read

[tender axle]

Error cartridge prob ?

[pearl harbor]

The backup RAM issue reminds me of the summer of boot.bin! Good times.

[frail heath]

I did not, I'll read up on it, the issue got resolved atleast by just going unstable

[tender axle]

I cannot manage my prob :/

Can someone help me please ?

[celest lake]

When was the last time you ran update_all?

[celest lake]

be nice

[wise brook]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-cat-stare-cat-shocked-stare-gif-1398922735574533156

[obsidian herald]

Yeah this is def one of those issues where I would assume it was just me and ask lol

There are times where I think forums are better for stuff like this. I’m having to train myself to think for Discord as a searchable database of info but, as we were discussing earlier, on mobile you can’t search threads soooo

But damn am I happy to be here

[wise brook]

It’s such a silly omission

[warped saddle]

imagine how much information would just disappear if this discord got deleted

[celest lake]

you can search them on mobile

[acoustic sable]

Didn’t used to be able to, it’s pretty recent. Also Discord won’t autotypeahead your #channelname with thread titles unless you’re following the thread and it’s an active thread.

All sorts of silly trip hazards

[celest lake]

I think it was actually on mobile before it came to desktop, weirdly enough

[acoustic sable]

That is weird

[celest lake]

I have been using it on mobile for a while

[inner kayak]

It’s a way to phase in a feature and gather telemetry on crashes, user session length, “rage” taps/click, etc

[celest lake]

it was irritating that it wasn’t on desktop

[inner kayak]

UI changes can be super disruptive and sometimes apps create several variations to see which one has the most quantitative uplift , phasing them in 1% per device cohort is a good strategy

at Roblox, when deploying deep changes that affected the whole app, my team created a playbook where we’d phase in 1% on Windows, then 5 to 10 to 50 to 100. While monitoring various metrics, so we could roll back if anything looked off. Then we’d do it for the next device/OS type. Eventually platform rollouts were interleaved instead of serialized, once I had gotten stable telemetry in place.

In that case, it was mostly for stability and performance cautiousness. In discord’s case, knowing a bit about their operation, I’ll bet they were doing parallel flights for two different designs and doing the variations per device type and region.

It probably sounds overly complicated, but you learn the hard way running a platform with 100+M monthly active users

[strong zephyr]

sigh so when i used the fixed unstable saturn core i STILL have the save issue. Do i also need the unstable mister main?

[pearl harbor]

You shouldn't need it, but it wouldn't hurt to try it.

[strong zephyr]

Trying now. I don't understand why i'd need it after doing update all and then replacing the saturn core with the ones from the pins, last updated day before yesterday...?

[random shard]

I'm proud that no one has wasted time here discussing the 100% claim on X. Or I can't do a proper search 🤣

[strong zephyr]

ok so since i normally am not on the unstable mister, i get it from the nighlies, i rename it to MiSTer.ini and i copy it to media/fat correct? i backed up the current ini to MiSTer.old. this correct?

[pearl harbor]

No, the file is just called "MiSTer". the ini file is different.

[small ore]

ini is a configuration text file, it's not the actual program binary

[pearl harbor]

Just rename the current file to something like MiSTer_OLD (or whatever), and rename the latest unstable main to just "MiSTer".

[strong zephyr]

done, retrying....

Not fixed, can't test anymore right now due to other appointments....thanks for the help so far all!

[glossy steppe]

Were there even 1000 people who would have ever played it, emulated or not? XD

[glossy steppe]

Discord wasn't meant to be a LOT of things that people have been using it for IMO

[wide glacier]

i hate that discord has become a replacement for many websites/forums

it's terrible for archival/preservation purposes

don't like threads either. they're a lot more confusing and limited than normal channels

[glossy steppe]

Yeah, IIRC Discord was made as a replacement for dead gaming-based IM clients like teamspeak

And MAYBE IRC (though I still like and use IRC)

But people are using it to replace forums, file servers, art galleries... everything

And like you said, it's bad for preservation, also a mess to find anything older. Not to mention, annoying if you just want to download a patch and have to sign into a server with a invite link that is hopefully not dead

(And apparently a discord server can even place restrictions/demands on who joins? IIRC the PSIO discord server demands several permissions on your account to join, including controlling which servers you can join and joining servers for you... why is that even allowed?)

[wide glacier]

i expect nothing less of cybdyn

but yeah, files and info being stuck in a random discord server really sucks. what happens when discord inevitably goes under? all of it will be lost

[sharp forum]

I didn’t realize that was even possible

[left hollow]

Guess that's when you use a burner account lol

[small ore]

That's when you make a seperate account, just for that crap

[glossy steppe]

I didn't either till I saw someone post the requirements

[glossy steppe]

Yeah, though I hear Discord makes it hard by requiring you to connect a cellphone number to an account now?

[sharp forum]

that’s not new unfortunately

Some servers require your account to have a phone number attached but I didn’t think it was all of them

[left hollow]

That's when you use a burner number 😅

[glossy steppe]

BURN ALL THE THINGS!

[left hollow]

But yea that's been around for a while now

Mainly to try to stall bots

[wide glacier]

clanker uprising

[glossy steppe]

Ratchets and Clankers

[winter phoenix]

Whew this thread smells like the grim reaper came through it

[vernal sun]

RIP old friends…

[visual grove]

We should rank people by how many messages they write in N64 and PSX. The highest ranked get booted from Saturn for being filthy traitors

[left hollow]

What about 3do?

[visual grove]

I said people

[pearl harbor]

I see I leave you guys alone for a few hours and ||beautiful|| chaos erupts.

[fallow surge]

is it normal to have a green cross hair in the middle of the screen?

[warped saddle]

it's to help you cheat

no, go into the controller config, one of them is probably set to lightgun

[fallow surge]

also: tried some die hard arcade. digital board to component adapter. seems like the game switches res often and blue screens my crt. once the a game starts my character is dead by the time it wakes up

not present over composite with composite adapter

not complaining. just sharing experiences

[radiant karma]

There is a patch that removes the resolution switching during cutscenes. Google is your friend.

[fallow surge]

i’ll check it out ty

[wise brook]

4 nights off in a row boys

time to do some serious testing

gonna go thru as much of the japanese library as possible

got my Rhea loaded with the same games to compare against

[winter phoenix]

The patch is here: https://segaxtreme.net/resources/die-hard-arcade-dynamite-deka-240p-patch-language-fix.368/

Most Saturn patches can be found at SegaXtreme…

[fallow surge]

thanks man i’ll screenshot for tomorrows to do list

[leaden dagger]

Something's been bugging me about the saturn core lately and this is a product of paralellel development. When I go to define buttons for the Core. It asks me for a coin button on the regular console core

[warped saddle]

oh yeah, I bet he can remove that now

[glossy steppe]

If we are removing coin, could we add a button binding that switches between digital and analog mode for the 3D pad? I have run into many games that won't work unless I set it to digital mode, which requires me to go into the UI and change the controller to the digital one

[wide glacier]

i think the original 3D control pad had that switch right?

[glossy steppe]

yes

Basically a binding to toggle that switch

[leaden dagger]

yep I would askt for that as well

[winter phoenix]

That’s a great idea

[ancient surge]

Clean up time

[tawny forge]

Save states support wen

[winter phoenix]

never 😆

[radiant karma]

Any idea how much resources are saved with this? I remember the core was nearly full like 99%? Or the splitting of stv had already lowered it?

[high vale]

Hey for trouble shooting purposes, what's a saturn game that lets you save/make a save file immediately?

[ionic gate]

Symphony of the Night?

[high vale]

cool, thanks!

From the searching I've done, I think part of my issue is that I just need to switch to the latest nightly version. But I've encountered an problem where I load the saturn core, pick a game (gaurdian heroes, sakura wars) and get an in-game error message about needing to clear out the backup ram in the memory management menu. I do that and can start the game, but if I power down and come back to the game later, my save will be gone

[radiant karma]

are you using the latest unstable? You won't be able to save otherwise

[high vale]

not yet, no, this was just from the update all earlier this week

[radiant karma]

That's your answer then. You can also wait for a new stable. It's supposed to come soon.

[high vale]

gotcha, I take it that saturn games shouldn't require any extra steps to get it going for the first time?

[radiant karma]

Normally update all takes care of everything so you should be ok. But for now until a new stable is released you need the unstable build.

[ripe valley]

srg320 left me a message about the possible risk of regressions on that core.

I'm not very available for testing it until next week end.

[radiant karma]

I would imagine, moving cache around seems complex. Will start testing as soon as I get home. See what shows up.

[ripe valley]

If possible, I need everyone as possible to test the core and report your findings.

After that and fixing the eventuel regressions, he could create a new stable release.

He needed to optimize the code because he wasn't getting good time requirements when compiling.

I don't know if we saved some resources on the FPGA with that move.

[celest lake]

are the current cores meeting timing?

[ripe valley]

Today's core, yes.

[celest lake]

because I couldn't get it to meet timing when I was trying to build a PWM build

cool cool

[ancient surge]

I figured the cache change alone would create new problems.

[burnt matrix]

pins updated

pins updated

[thorn pagoda]

happy saturnsday

[latent wigeon]

I tried to make a PWM build using todays update but its not even close. Not sure if it is the extra logic (34 LE's for the PWM stuff) or my probably bad code that is the cause (or both).

I will probably have to read up on some best practices for timing and improve it.

[celest lake]

Someone just posted one on the forum.

No idea if it met timings.

[celest lake]

Mine were way off too

[latent wigeon]

If they used the code on my fork then it probably doesn't meet timing, but I don't know how much slack there can be before there are any problems, the N64 turbo core goes quite high into the negative and it seems to be fine. But since the regular core meets timing I probably just need to improve the PWM code.

But all the builds I did on the latest code have hold timing failures so that is probably not good

[ripe valley]

EDIT : In better news, Gunbird seems to work on my end without the Fast timings now.

Or maybe it requires fast timings only on Saturn mode. I only tested the Arcade mode.

I will check once more another day, I need to go at the moment.

[muted cradle]

Gunbird is such an adorable game. I don't see a Psykio core coming thus we will have to deal with that (great) port for a long time.

Tengai is great, too.

[analog totem]

Gunbird is awesome. I love it, but I suck at it

[celest lake]

Sounds like they compiled it with quartus 23 as they couldn't get good timings with 17. No idea if that messes something up though (I know that a lot of cores have quartus 13 specific build files, so I imagine there is a reason we use 17)

[latent wigeon]

oh, yeah that should be fine, just don't use it for bug reports. Makes sense that a newer version of quartus has a better compiler I guess

[high vale]

I have a question about the OSD menu and saving with the saturn core. What does the "Mount Backup Ram *.SAV" option do?

[warped saddle]

it lets you change the backup ram/save file on the fly

should probably just be called "Load Daezemon Backup Cart"

[high vale]

So sorta like if I swapped the memory cards in a actual console?

[warped saddle]

yeah, or backup carts

right now due to the way the saturn core works, the .sav files are a combination of the system save ram AND the backup cart

[high vale]

So If I reset my mister, and loaded up a saturn game, I'd need to then mount the backup ram for that game in order to resume my save?

[warped saddle]

no

it will auto-mount based on the disc name loaded

you only need to do that if you want to switch it to another file

[high vale]

ok, gotcha, thanks for the explanation!

[strong zephyr]

Sooo was able to retest. And something did change. Getting a different message when booting parodius (the collect of game 2&3 just will it parodius for short). i can bypass it by pressing start. Coulnd't do that with the previous message. I also noticed in the (mister, saturn) menu that save backup ram & autosave are now greyed out. I do have a choice to mount backup. I don't recall having needing to do this? Nor did i find anything when using search. Hmmm i saw that the pins have been updated, will try to update both the saturn core and unstable mister to be sure i am fully up to date...

edit aargh: i see i made a typo in my search, otherwise i would have seen the message like 10 lines above this one

[strong zephyr]

And mystery solved. Paradius doesn't like the external save cart. once i disabled it. Everything was fine again. And in spite of deleting both my internal and external save cart SEVERAL times....the core somehow still had my previous high scores?! Not sure if it's a Robby trademark, but certainly a 'MiSTery' to me.......anyways happy me. Will check out sex parodius as well, that' s where i first noticed issues. but fairly sure that will work now as well 🙂

[glossy steppe]

That sounds messy, any plans to seperate them in the future?

[ripe valley]

Not by design.

Question was already asked back then, when creating the format.

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/283

[glossy steppe]

That's a shame 🙁

I already had a hell of a time a few days ago convering my like 30 year old saturn save backups to a modern format that I could put on my Mister

Had no interest in dragging out my old PC with an ISA card ever again XD

[burnt matrix]

So this is basically the greatest Saturn emulator in all of human history?

[pearl harbor]

It's the greatest thing in all of human history!

[glossy steppe]

It's human history

[green swift]

It’s history

[radiant karma]

I've been testing the latest dual ram unstable for the past few days expecting to see issues, basically watched the intros and got into gameplay with my 100+ game library and couldn't find anything wrong with it. Can't say if it is the greatest, but I can say it is ready for a new stable release.

[amber heart]

Is symphony of the night supposed to be really slow in the very first area of richter mode? (After the opening cutscene but before you enter the castle) none of the YouTube videos are moving nearly as slow as it is on the core but idk if the YouTubers are using emulators.

Everything is fine once you enter the castle but the very first area is like 10 fps

Tried on multiple dumps on the latest unstable

[wide glacier]

sotn on saturn is usually slow everywhere, regardless of character or area

[amber heart]

I know but it’s wayyyy more slow in the first area then it feels like it should be based on all the YouTube lets plays I’ve watched. I’ll make a video in a few minutes

[wide glacier]

please do!

[radiant karma]

Compare it to the last stable version.

[celest lake]

hmm, that was a regression a couple of versions ago

I think I still have a save

[wide glacier]

hm, yeah, that is way slower than it should be. jesusfish is right that there was a regression a few builds ago, maybe it was never fixed?

[amber heart]

Maria mode is the same way.

I’ll try Alucard too

[celest lake]

alucard is fine

I just loaded a save and it was fine

[amber heart]

Interesting

[celest lake]

you guys are on the latest unstable and latest main?

[amber heart]

Yes

Dual ram for me

[celest lake]

I was just testing on single

I can test more in a bit

[amber heart]

Are richter and Maria slow for you too?

[celest lake]

I need to look

[wide glacier]

are you playing the original release or a hacked version btw

[amber heart]

Tried on both and same result

[wide glacier]

gotcha

i can test right now

[amber heart]

Alucard definitely not fine on my end

[celest lake]

that looks like the old bug. are you certain you're on the 9/14 builds of both the core and unstable?

[amber heart]

9/14 main and 9/18 Saturn

[celest lake]

oh hmm that may be the issue, mine didn't grab 9/18. guess I need to figure that out

[amber heart]

I’ll test on 9/14 Saturn in a few

To see if it’s me

[celest lake]

I bet it's fine - I bet it's my bad

[wide glacier]

just tested on the latest unstable saturn and latest unstable main, first room in richter and maria mode are way too slow

[amber heart]

@celest lake @wide glacier Just tested on 9/14 Saturn and the speed is correct. Something definitely broke on the 9/18 build

[celest lake]

ok, I'll fine it since I don't think Zet is around