Sega Saturn

[ripe valley]

As someone told me yesterday about the Saturn bug fixes.

Same conclusion from StrikerX3 on the Ymir emulator.

[muted cradle]

Decathlete?
Radiant Silvergun?
Soukygourentei?

[ripe valley]

I need to chck my TV screen, the image is too much cropped.
That's why I didn't see the issue.

[ripe valley]

Yeah, I forgot about those.

Sorry, I've been making too many mistakes lately, between srg320 and here. I'll leave the game tests and future PR tests to others.

[muted cradle]

I hope not referring to me... I just tried to be helpful and add to the list from my memory

You are doing god's work here and I am so grateful

[sudden tusk]

I am the ultimate Saturn player that is all

[burnt matrix]

Is that new DBZ game translation cool?

[wise brook]

so auto cart option when?

https://tenor.com/view/skeletor-running-away-escape-nope-hell-no-gif-11230077378159241796

[hearty marten]

#1046941029296779344 message

[sudden tusk]

Hell, yeah, it is

[celest lake]

#1046941029296779344 message

[wise brook]

VDP test suite incoming?

[ripe valley]

Not at the moment.
Some bases aren't covered yet.

[tawny forge]

The effort being dispensed on this core to make it perfect everyday is impressive!

[wise brook]

agreed

[river wing]

Do you guys happen to know what's going on with Batman Forever (STV) on my MiSTer? It's an original Altera DE10, I'm using DualRAM and every other Saturn or STV game works correctly. I am using latest ST-V unstable core built for DualRAM.
I have already tried removing the related config files, and even the MRA and the ROM so update_all downloads the appropriate ones.
I have not been able to get this one working with any version until now. It's not a game I want to play or anything, but well, I'd like to find out.

[celest lake]

reboot the de10 and try again

(if you haven't)

[river wing]

I have rebooted the MiSTer like 100 times a week 😄

[celest lake]

sorry, what I mean is, make sure it is the first STV game you try after a soft reboot

[river wing]

I mean, I have re-tried loading the game countless times after a fresh reset

[celest lake]

ok

[river wing]

ahh ok ok

[celest lake]

then something else is up

maybe a different rom?

gimme a sec and I will get you the md5 on mine

oh wait, those come down from the bios DB

[river wing]

Great!

[celest lake]

delete the rom, run update all again, and see if that fixes it

[river wing]

I already did that

[celest lake]

hrm

let me put the latest unstable in the STV folder and see

[river wing]

Test with DualRAM if you can, please

[celest lake]

yep yep

oh wait, need to grab the latest

[topaz tartan]

I know that game works fine on normal single RAM since I was playing it last night.

So eiither the ROM's fucky or the two ram setup is fucky

or the NVRAM for that game?

[celest lake]

Seems to be fine on dual as well

[river wing]

Thanks for trying it on DualRAM! Strange.. Only that game failing... Where's it's NVRam?

I only see those files for the game:

/media/fat# find ./ -name batmanfr*.*
./config/inputs/batmanfr_input_045e_028e_v3.map
./config/batmanfr_scaler.cfg
./config/batmanfr_shmask.cfg
./config/batmanfr_gamma.cfg
./config/batmanfr.CFG
./games/mame/batmanfr.zip

Nothing of that seems like NVRam to me?

[warped saddle]

you're not using an old mra are you?

[burnt matrix]

Or an old core that got left behind

[warped saddle]

his version is fine so it is loaded the right core

oh wait, that was Jesus

yeah, check that screen

[river wing]

Versions seem to be fine...

[warped saddle]

go into the ST-V test/system menu and go to /system assignments' and clear them or make sure they are set correctly?

the mra is supposed to use the rom's nvram to upload the defaults tho

[river wing]

Huh, I set the cabinet type to 2P and everything seems to work now 😮

[burnt matrix]

I need to catch up with this core and the pins

[burnt matrix]

Weird but great to hear your problem is fixed

[river wing]

Weird indeed... It was set to 1P before

[floral saddle]

Don't be so hard on yourself zet, you juggle a lot of things and can't expect to remember everything all the time. Your choice of course but I would be gutted to see you step away from testing given what you have done for the core.

[warped saddle]

btw, latest PR that was merged requires an unmerged PR to main for proper functionality

[celest lake]

is this the autoloading cartridge stuff?

[burnt matrix]

ok so wait to grab the latest unstables?

[warped saddle]

no, not autloading cartridge. it's the 'let you swap the loaded save file' thing

so now you can just load another backup cart/save for Dezaemon 2 games

[burnt matrix]

Merge pull request #458 from zakk4223/backup_mount

SAV file mounting/swapping```

[cunning citrus]

I had the same issue once when booting Virtua Fighter Remix, the machine was set for 1P too, but it's been a while ago.

[burnt matrix]

way to spell save right, hawhaw

[glossy steppe]

Didn't a handful of games have a ROM cart that they came with? I think mostly the KOF games

Hey! I eventually figured it out! ☹️ And managed to take advantage of customizing them to make Gauntlet more fun to play

Does NiGHTS need it?

[wide glacier]

the only saturn games that came with a rom cart were kof 95 and ultraman

everything else was a ram cart

[glossy steppe]

99 little bugs in the code, 99 little bugs. Take one down, patch it around 127 little bugs in the code

[glossy steppe]

Huh, I guess the list I was reading was wrong, it listed like 5 games

[wide glacier]

which list?

[glossy steppe]

Oh, three of them are KOF95 (Well, one is a KOF 95+96 combo disk)

[wide glacier]

ah yeah

i know satakore lists them as separate releases

[glossy steppe]

https://www.satakore.com/cartridge.php

And one of them has a ROM kart but can also use a RAM cart?

[wide glacier]

nope, kof 96 and 97 as part of the combo packs use the ram cart

95 still uses rom

[safe trail]

Yeah, that's the challenge in trying to simulate something where you think you understand how it works, and your understanidng is definitley really close, but you don't have a schematic, so there's gotta be some element that was missed. The reason why perfect emulation is so darn hard to get perfect

[glossy steppe]

So you need to sawp RAM or ROM cart if you are playing 95 or 96/97 off that disk?

Sounds like a mess

[wide glacier]

it is

though nowadays there are hacks that allow you to play kof and ultraman without the rom cart

[glossy steppe]

Woulden't it have been cheaper to just put the data on disk and require a ram cart?

[wide glacier]

probably, but it was faster to stream data that was already loaded on the cart

[glossy steppe]

Yeah, initial load would be faster, but it should be about the same after that right?

Eh, SNK was... odd

[wide glacier]

they were

to make matters worse, some SNK games glitch out when using the 4MB ram cart and only work properly with the 1MB ram cart

metal slug and samurai shodown 4 for example have glitched character sprites if used with the 4MB cart

[glossy steppe]

Yeah I saw, weird

"We need extra RAM, but not TOO much extra RAM. Gotta Goldilocks this thing."

[wide glacier]

lmao

[glossy steppe]

Eh, I am certain this function here is usel-

[ripe valley]

I had a discussion a moment ago with one of the testers at Ymir.
There is a strange frame during the end of the loading screen and the main menu on Hang On' GP.

That frame is on the original console, and you can see it too on several footages on Youtube.

https://youtu.be/LhYSc0tTS1I?t=120

Like here.

[drowsy folio]

Are cheats going to be implemented for this core? I'm not sure if sorg mentioned it already

[rich violet]

The only one of us who might know is @ripe valley

He has meetings with srg320

Note sorg≠srg320

[warped saddle]

I really doubt it. the core is full

like 99% of the fpga full

[thorn pagoda]

there is that approach that was used on n64 which is mostly off the fpga? idk if its any use here though

[burnt matrix]

Could cheats be achieved through using an action replay cart?

https://segaretro.org/Action_Replay_(Saturn)

[ripe valley]

I doubt it too.

But I'm no srg320.

[warped saddle]

where are you going to plug that cart in, robby?

[burnt matrix]

In the little cart selection menu?

[rotund steeple]

I could imagine that the Pseudo Saturn Kai ISO could work somehow. It has tons of cheats. Don't know if it needs some adjustment, but there are Loader ISOs for Fenrir and Satiator

https://ppcenter.webou.net/pskai/CTL_RPT.TXT

[high bramble]

Looks like Saturn will remain the 'git gud' core.

[winter phoenix]

oh BTW, we have a new English translation patch for Saturn:

https://www.segasaturnshiro.com/2025/08/25/after-2-years-of-work-dragon-ball-z-the-legend-is-now-playable-in-english/

And the excellent Formula Karts has some newly discovered passwords:

https://www.segasaturnshiro.com/2025/08/26/under-the-microscope-formula-karts-special-edition/

Sorry I didn't post those in here yesterday!

[obsidian herald]

The rate and quality of Saturn translations makes me soooo happy

[winter phoenix]

yeah. there's a lot to translate, and thankfully, more people than ever are trying their hand at it

[burnt matrix]

Didn't see an STV build with the latest save mounting feature, but the rest of the links are updated.

nevermind, found it, all links are updated

[warped saddle]

the save mounting thing is Saturn only anyways

[elfin apex]

It might work; the AR is mostly just software that boots from the cartridge, although it might freak out if the cartridge isn't writable. The memory is EEPROM/flash and IIRC is used to track the most recently selected game/codes.

[warped saddle]

if you set the core cart to ROM and load the action replay, the system just boot loops

although I'm not on the most recent unstable

[elfin apex]

Strange. I think I only ever looked at the EMS Action Replay 4M Plus firmware, but the first thing it does is copy itself to RAM so that it's not running directly from the cartridge. Maybe the mapping is different than the ROM cartridges.

[livid grotto]

Ugh. Not able to load my old .sav files with the latest nightly on any game. Did it break something or has saving changed? Single Ram.

[warped saddle]

get latest unstable main too

there were changes to allow loading save files manually and it required changing an index. saves will load automatically then

[ripe valley]

Just taking 2 weeks off.
Rest is part of progress.

[ripe valley]

New homework for srg320 : SMPC testrom.

33% pass on the current core. (EDIT : Forgot a test the first time.)

[pearl harbor]

That's the 3DO testrom right?

[ripe valley]

Did I post in the 3DO section?

[ripe valley]

I'll be leaving a little after tomorrow, but I'll keep an eye on celeriyacon's messages if any tests need to be sent to him.

This way I don't delay possible new features to integrate into the core.

[green swift]

Is celeriyacon making tests for functions no games used?

I think striving for supreme accuracy is cool but if it’s at the expense of a core in forever development is this something we should be chasing? Hope I’m not out of line asking, just looking to see where this is all headed.

[obsidian herald]

Does it matter if the core is forever in development as long as the folks doing the development are willing to and enjoy doing the development?

[green swift]

Of course not. Realistically they are all potentially in perpetual development.

[ripe valley]

The latest tests seem easier to fix.

[green swift]

More so just curious of the tests

[ripe valley]

srg320 have time for the other cores too.

This is not at the expense of other tasks he wishes to accomplish.

[green swift]

I suppose the reason I was asking is not everyone is here in this discord to see the development and base judgement of the Saturn core on the last stable release. My mind always goes back to the Gamesack review of the Saturn core that was massively out of date. Probably something I shouldn’t be concerned with but it’s not fun seeing a core get dunked on based on outdated code.

[ripe valley]

Supreme precision is not possible on the DE10-Nano, but we could get as close as possible, like an asymptote in mathematics.

[ripe valley]

I understand your concern and will try to leave a note for srg320 about this as well.

I myself am unhappy when a test is not carried out under conditions that represent the reality of development at a given time.

[obsidian herald]

I might caution against solving for a content creator making poorly researched content about free software under active development

There are a lot of bad takes on the internet

I am not familiar with this particular review either

[wise brook]

‘sacks is good. he’s a layman and accurately reflects the experience of most casual enjoyers of MiSTer.
you’ve gotta be a certain kind of sicko to join its discord and manually update cores

[green swift]

I’ve just seen people make statements like “Saturns broken. Didn’t you see Joe’s review.” And there I am being an armchair warrior in the YouTube comments to defend SRG’s honor lol

[wise brook]

and he makes me laugh

[obsidian herald]

Well, the way I would look at this is: srg320 is generously sharing his hobby with all of us, and if people think that the core is unfinished and don’t try it… well I guess they miss out?

[green swift]

Oh I enjoy his vids. He didn’t give Saturn core a fair shake though.

[obsidian herald]

They weren’t going to pay him.

[thorn pagoda]

does seem like a good time for a stable release

[clear condor]

Like I'm gonna trust a guy who pronounces "tate" wrong

[obsidian herald]

I do hate the idea of people not recognizing legitimate genius but I suspect srg320 doesn’t care.

[wise brook]

most normies won’t. ‘cause they’ll cheap out on the ram and wonder why there’s slowdown.
even folks who paid for dualram don’t realize they haven’t got the correct core

[ripe valley]

He doesn't care.

[wise brook]

based

[clear condor]

dude's doing this in eastern Ukraine, and you think YouTube comments faze him?!

[green swift]

I like that he doesn’t care. I apparently care more lol

[wise brook]

👀

[green swift]

I stirred the pot 🙀

[ripe valley]

He just seems to enjoy a bit of competition, so having Ymir as a "challenger" on the testroms could be stimulating.
And the testroms interest him too; it's given him a renewed desire to finish the core.

To be honest, it also stimulates us here.

We like to see new core revisions.

[green swift]

Truth

[safe trail]

That's the spirit !

[clear condor]

I'd imagine it's a lot more straightforward to fix a failure in a well-curated testrom than it is to debug what exactly is going wrong in some obscure mahjong game

[serene thunder]

That's what SEGA does to gamers - Brings excitement and competition
Nintendon't

[wise brook]

Sega is rock

Nintendo is pop

||Sony is slop||

[ripe valley]

I read the article earlier about the development of Magic Knight Rayearth (baby face game for Robby here).

This is evident in the number of changes that had to be made to the core, that the game was completed as painfully as they could, and that everything is both wobbly, yet miraculously holds together.

And, StrikerX3 is learning it on Ymir right now, with the hard way.
Rayman is another beast, stupid beast on the SMPC.

That's why, from the very beginning of the core, I chose to test it and 'force' srg320 a bit to fully support it.

[wise brook]

The CPUs have a bunch of internal corrective measures for bad code, right?

iirc the Atari Jaguar is powerful, but has no way to rectify sloppy code

[serene thunder]

I enjoyed Rayearth at launch, seemed pretty elegant in motion. Little did I know

Sure is pretty

[ripe valley]

Most of the games rely on pure timings between chips and race conditions.

[safe trail]

Right. Making that test ROM implies that you know of something that may have a behaviour that is not correct, and then knowing how to force that to occur. Test ROMs are really tough stuff !

[obsidian herald]

It’s has just been so completely incredible to watch this core go from nothing to the most accurate way to play Saturn outside of real hardware in such a short period of time. It’s astounding.

[green swift]

I just want the update_all normies to see it 😢 haha

[obsidian herald]

They will eventually

I suspect latest stable is good enough to impress most normies. People don’t know what a lot of these games were supposed to look like and most folks just want to play the greatest hits.

Most of my friends think that state of the art emulation is a raspberry pi with an old copy of retropie on a TV with 200ms of video processing left on, they still have a good time.

They’re wrong of course but who am I to tell them how to live.

They make fun of me because I spend more time obsessing about my setup than playing games.

[green swift]

That’s all of us in here

[ripe valley]

That's cute about your friends.

[green swift]

If you’re in this discord you spend more time configuring than playing. ChangeMyMind.jpg

[ripe valley]

But don't be elitist.

[green swift]

But the fiddling is fun so I don’t mind 🙂

[ripe valley]

Everyone enjoys their games the way they want.

[obsidian herald]

Years ago I installed a Windows PC running MAME into a Capcom Big Blue. At the time I thought it was perfect, now I lay awake at night wondering about how much extra latency was in the video pipeline. And who knows what the USB polling speed was. Shivers

So yeah, you can be cursed by knowledge.

[safe trail]

Not to mention the emulation gaps

[obsidian herald]

Right??

I’m just glad that I modded the cabinet in a way that was easy to restore. Nothing permanent, I kept the original harnesses and whatnot. When the CRT died and I needed to move I gave the cab and the two CPS2 boards (X-Men vs Street Fighter and Children of the Atom) to a friend of a friend who did a full restore on it.

[serene thunder]

Speedrunning Ghouls & Ghosts is a good test

I wonder how that port runs on Saturn

I always played either MD port or the arcade

[hearty marten]

Absolutely not. I’m here because I don’t want to configure

I’ve spent more time playing games and less time configuring on the MiSTer than I ever did on a retroarch based Pi setup

[pearl harbor]

I ||con||figured you'd say that.

[hearty marten]

To me it’s actually the biggest win of the MiSTer

[green swift]

I definitely spend 90% of my mister time on the configuration, but it is still super simple just leaving most settings as standard.

[hearty marten]

What is there to configure? It’s either “play as original hardware” or “play with some hack that may or may not break games”

[green swift]

Hardware

[hearty marten]

Nice 😄

[green swift]

My CRT setup has a VGA switch to configure between composite and component with optical audio broken out to a VGA matrix so either video output can use the Bose speakers.

[hearty marten]

I am a simple man with a modern TV and the preset filters

[green swift]

I do love that simplicity and that’s what I push off on my friends.

[hearty marten]

F…riends?

You mean your other MiSTers?

[green swift]

I don’t have that many anyway 😛

[drowsy folio]

What adapter do you have to power on the mister? I like that switch right on it

[green swift]

That was from the fella Dale that made the MT32Pi. Not sure if he open sourced it. I can post a link.

https://ko-fi.com/d0pefish/gallery#galleryItemView

I believe he stepped away from mister and MT32pi projects for a little while

[burnt matrix]

@broken kelp is awesome and we're all in his debt for such an amazing contribution to the retro community.

[left hollow]

I don't think he's ever going to work on the mt32 pi again

[burnt matrix]

Also has a super cute cat!

[wise brook]

so what you’re saying is we should harass and berate him?
that’s just the standard treatment of the producers in open source “cOmUnItY”

do i need to add a /s?

[drowsy folio]

What happened with him?

[green swift]

The community can be a bit demanding when you’re an incredible developer.

[left hollow]

Believe was some drama with elitist retro computer guys

[drowsy folio]

That sucks

[left hollow]

Never really looked into too much into it but assume it's your run of the mill basement dwellers internet drama type stuff

[winter phoenix]

Am I supposed to be configuring things?? I just turn it on and play stuff

[green swift]

Spending 30 minutes switching between component and composite to pixel peep the fine lines and mesh blends is playing stuff 🙂

[glossy steppe]

It was something that happened on the Vogons forums, and I think it might have involved the guy working on the SC-55 emulator. When I checked the threads there though I didn't really see anything that may have caused it

[acoustic sable]

https://github.com/dwhinham/mt32-pi#please-note it does suck.

[burnt matrix]

There’s nothing worse than an entitled nerd. We deal with it too on MiSTer unfortunately. Sometimes people think what they want is more important than anything else, even to the detriment of others.

It’s not just a single person problem but a community-wide problem. All of us have the responsibility to deal with bad actors and kick them out.

[green jacinth]

Asking nicely and accepting no for an answer is a lost art

[burnt matrix]

The real play is infiltrating their ranks and then relentlessly ask for a Virtual Boy core. Isn’t that right @sharp comet?

[ripe valley]

https://tenor.com/view/la-maison-qui-rend-fou-maison-des-fous-maison-qui-rend-fou-asterix-maison-fou-maison-fou-gif-17590635

People who are trying to understand how a Saturn system works internally.

[burnt matrix]

Omg is that Astérix et Obélix?

[ripe valley]

Absolutely, with The Place That Sends You Mad.

Which is an allegory of the French administration of the time.

[burnt matrix]

I grew up reading the French comics along with Tim Tin and Les Schtroompfs

Or however you spell it

[marble laurel]

is there any dieshot for thoses chips that could help a bit to understand ?

[ripe valley]

Dieshots won't help, I already asked to srg320 like 2 years ago.

The SMPC ROM could be useful, but nobody ever tried to dump it correctly at the moment.

We're in a similar configuration like with the PS1 CD micro-controller ROM.

We have to recreate it as accurate as possible in (V)HDL or in C/C++/others (for software emulation).

With a black box methodology.

[marble laurel]

Ok

[ripe valley]

StrikerX3 (from Ymir) tried to fix the last tests yesterday but ended up with even more hacks and the games will no longer work.

celeriyacon gave me some hints for fixing the core but I broke it under my last tests, just before leaving for some vacation starting today.

srg320 will fix it quickly, even once I showed him my results last night he said he had some ideas and was implementing them today.

I also had direct confirmation from some former testers that Steve Kwok has stopped development of NOVA.

He has been developing his own NES/Famicom emulator for the past few weeks.

[ripe valley]

The correct spelling is "Tintin" and "Les Schtroumpfs." But for the latter, no one in French-speaking countries knows how to spell it correctly.

And you wrote so much better in French that Yves Guillemot knows how to speak English during Ubisoft conferences.

[marble laurel]

Is it "Hitachi YGR019B" that the rom you talk about ?

[burnt matrix]

Oh oops, autocorrect doesn’t like Tintin lol

Thanks for correcting me though, I need to improve my French.

I took 6 years in primary school!

[ripe valley]

We've had the Saturn CD block ROM from Dr. Abrasive for a few years now.
I'm taking about the ROM inside the SMPC chip.

SMPC (System Management & Peripheral Control) is equipped with reset management of Saturn system, peripheral control, and clock function with battery backup.

[sharp comet]

Smurfs makes a lot more sense

[strong osprey]

is a smurf like a schtroumpf?!?

[wise brook]

there’s a famous quote about it

100% real

[strong osprey]

thank you arizona quotes this is interesting to think about

[marble laurel]

Thank you Zet for the informations and your time !

[safe trail]

schtroumpf is the sound that it makes when you step on it.

But don't do that - it makes a mess

[warped saddle]

oh no, Sorg released a new main

prepare to tell a bunch of people to upgrade to unstable

[mortal mist]

It's time for a new stable core :))

[hearty marten]

New main doesn’t work with old stable Saturn?

[warped saddle]

the save index had to change to enable save file selection

[hearty marten]

Gotcha

[warped saddle]

so like it works but your save won't auto-load

[hearty marten]

“What happened to my progress?”

[warped saddle]

"this core sucks!"

[hearty marten]

Typical day at the office

[cursive tree]

Did you play the first Asterix game for SMS? It’s a great game

[leaden dagger]

Asterix games are all kind of weirdly high quality

[strong osprey]

patiently awaiting the asterix konami arcade core

[dusty shale]

I raise you Astérix et Obélix contre Cesar for the Game Boy Color

[strong osprey]

an army of thousands of novelty hidden gem youtubers rush to your door

they all have asterix and obelix xxl on gameboy advance

the 3d platformer one

[burnt matrix]

It is!

[thick oriole]

Agreed, that first Asterix game is excellent.

[deft verge]

i should have a look then

[wide glacier]

me too but only because it also runs xexex

[serene thunder]

GI Joe
That game is bonkers

Sure is a shame these games never got Saturn ports

[pearl harbor]

So what exactly changed again regarding saves on Saturn in the latest update? All my games are telling me now that the cartridge RAM is not ready for backup and won't load my saves. Trying to figure out how to fix it now.

[wise brook]

you got the unstable main and core?

[pearl harbor]

Yeah

[wise brook]

just wondering out loud, haven’t tried the core for a couple days

[pearl harbor]

I can't even get into some games. Like Magic Knight Rayearth just kicks me back to the Saturn home menu after giving me that RAM is not ready warning.

My save files are still there in the Saturn saves folder.

Might have to just roll back to the previous unstable MiSTer main and Saturn core.

Bah, never mind. Seemed I grabbed the previous unstable Saturn core. Both were released the same day, so the dates confused me.

[warped saddle]

plz no jumpscare

[pearl harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-jumpscare-box-gif-12399387153107465639

[warped cliff]

I'm blown away by the current stable core, even if the load speeds on that build isn't accurate yet. But it's such a joy to play games one. Can't wait until the next stable. The changelog will be interesting to see

[winter phoenix]

https://www.segasaturnshiro.com/2025/08/29/shinrei-jusatsushi-taroumaru-gets-english-translation-patch/

[celest lake]

Heads Up: If you have updated to the latest version of main (ie, you have run update_all in the last 24 hours) you need this version of the saturn core. Just overwrite the existing core in /_Consoles

@burnt matrix can you pin that ^^

[radiant karma]

Is this the same as the last Saturn stable? Date matches.

[celest lake]

No, it’s the unstable, but renamed so you can just drop it into the console folder. If we tell folks to put the unstable in the folder, update all will keep downloading the stable. This prevents that

[green swift]

Sounds like a great time for a new stable. 😉

[deft verge]

since i changed update all to pull the unstables as well, i should be fine just using that one, right? (will probably do it anyway to be sure)

[celest lake]

yep, totally fine

as long as you’re using the unstable

[burnt matrix]

I’ll think about it. The time stamp might confuse people. Thank you though, it’s very considerate of you.

[burnt matrix]

Yeah that’s my opinion too. If latest stable Main breaks the latest stable Saturn core, then we need to accelerate a new Saturn stable.

[ripe valley]

We've been trying to resolve the remaining SMPC issues for the past couple of days and have been doing some pretty intensive testing before making a stable release, so the timing isn't ideal.

[burnt matrix]

It never is, haha.

[celest lake]

yeah, I agree. It just didn’t sound like that was something that was imminent, so trying to cut problems off at the pass

[winter phoenix]

Sorg really needs to coordinate with his Most Important Core™

[wise brook]

truth

[heady pewter]

I am playing Alone in the Dark (latest main and Saturn core) and I recall the protagonist face was different before. Now it has a lot of white, which weren't there before, like overexposed or overflown values. I am using single ram. You should see it in the intro and in the beginning of the gameplay. Not sure as I can't see how it looks on Saturn.

[serene thunder]

Too spooky for me

[burnt matrix]

I’d check that first if you can.

[heady pewter]

lot of white in his face

[burnt matrix]

Not sure how easy it is to find a let’s play of Alone in the Dark with original hardware though lol

[deft verge]

hey, could it be that the ram notification would also pops up in the combination of old main and that saturn .rbf that jesusfish put up?

😅

because i just put that into the console folder but haven't run update_all in a week or so and got some kind of RAM popup in powerslave - i should probably just run update_all

[mortal mist]

It looks identical to the stable core from June.

Real hw

[heady pewter]

Ok, probably my mistake then, nvm. I did check some Youtube videos from actual Saturn but hard to see since the image quality was kind of bad.

[celest lake]

he is just a very white man

[heady pewter]

Ok, that settles it

[celest lake]

it's call alone in the dark not alone in the sun

[heady pewter]

Sorry for false alarm

[celest lake]

https://tenor.com/xvDw.gif

[glossy steppe]

Yeah, that's some real "Out of printer ink when your essay is due in 10 minutes" timing

[glossy steppe]

So I just tried this and had a crash I was able to reproduce. I had booted up the English version of Magic Knight Rayearth, but was busy doing other things before I got around to playing it so it was just looping the intro. After a few loops it just displayed a black screen instead of the title screen and appears to be stuck like that. I tried rebooting my Mister and let the intro play for a while again and the same thing happened.

[celest lake]

just letting it loop?

[glossy steppe]

Yeah

Wait, I just realized. Was there any other updates today that could effect saturn? I haden't run update_all today yet

I'll just run update_all and try again to see if it happens again

[celest lake]

let me know and I will test it

[glossy steppe]

Ok

[ancient surge]

Does this also happen with the Japanese release?

[glossy steppe]

Haven't tried that yet

... for some reason I have the Japanese version on here too, not sure why, usually I only get both if there is any sort of differences between the two, other than obviously the language.

Any meaningful differences

[celest lake]

im letting the us version run

[analog totem]

what's the magic combo of the moment...latest stable MiSTer main + latest unstable Saturn core?

[ancient surge]

It's a Working Designs localization, so quite a bit of differences actually.

[analog totem]

that littttle bitty indent

[glossy steppe]

I remember when I first got my hands on a very WIP version of the core, somehow got a cartridge image stuck when I used Load Cartridge and nothing I did would make it unload it and run a CD until I wiped anything saturn related on my mister and re-installed it

So far can't get the crash to happen again

[tribal burrow]

not MiSTer related but just wanted to say I was at the local summer festival in my small town in Japan last night and the DJ played a remix of the Sakura Taisen song
Nobody else seemed to get it lol

[glossy steppe]

I only have heard the intro songs for 2-4

Oh, the crash just happened again, though it took longer this time

[celest lake]

mines been running for 90 minutes without a crash

[high bramble]

It's the lack of all caps for bios that bothers me more.

[warped cliff]

And the c in one of the "cartridges" is lower case...

[analog totem]

oh yeah good catches there

[warped cliff]

Glad we're finally getting into higher severity issues 😄

[celest lake]

there will be no 3do core

[warped cliff]

🎉

[celest lake]

Bin/cue or CHD?

[celest lake]

it's been going 2 hours now with no crash

[glossy steppe]

Bin/cue

[celest lake]

checking another mister - you said the single ram, yeah?

[glossy steppe]

Yeah, all I have is a non-BGA batch 3 single RAM pi

[ripe valley]

I left some new tests so massive to fix that you won't see a 3D0 core for at least a year.

||I'm joking, but not for the new tests.||

[wise brook]

it’s good to hear

i hope all the soft-emu makers take a crack at them in time

[ripe valley]

They tried, they went crazy.

[wise brook]

i was just thinking about what it would take to make a fully functional replica of a Saturn dev kit

and whether soft-emu is better for the task

[ripe valley]

Recreating a Sophia Programming Box is another beast.
Or even a CartDev Rev B one.

[drowsy hull]

All for the good of preventing 3d0

[ripe valley]

srg320 is currently tackling advanced SMPC tests.
He has already completed some of them.
And probably seen a possible issue with it too, we need more information from celeriyacon today.

BTW - I will be unavailable starting tomorrow and for the next 14 days.

[wise brook]

i’ll miss you, hope you have a good time

[ripe valley]

I'm waiting for a response and wrapping up this time, and leaving it all for the next couple of weeks.

I just want something really solid before a (possible) stable release, and a possible basis for the SuperStation + new people joining here with MiSTer Pi batches 4 and 5.

[warm ledge]

Silly question, how is it possible to still improving this core if it's already at 99% of usage?

[ripe valley]

Optimization and some new discoveries resulted in 1-2% FPGA savings last time.

[shrewd crescent]

Is there a good reason to overwrite the existing core vs just putting the unstable in _Consoles next to the current stable so update_all continues to update the stable core?

[warm ledge]

From a noob point of view this is amazing

[floral saddle]

Is there anywhere else or way I can pick up on unstable-nightly notifications other than on Discord? RSS feed or similar?

[zealous karma]

you can check on Github:
https://github.com/MiSTer-unstable-nightlies

go to the actions tab for the core of interest

[floral saddle]

I have the URL for the Saturn unstables, but wanted a way to get a notification when a new one is loaded. https://github.com/MiSTer-unstable-nightlies/Saturn_MiSTer/releases/

[celest lake]

If you overwrite the existing core with that version, update_all will update it when the new version comes out because it will assume it's the stable core

[shrewd crescent]

oh nice, didnt realize that 👍

[hollow snow]

Anyone know what I can do about this? It's in keio flying Squadron 2. I can press start to go into the game but then I can't save anything.

[mortal mist]

latest main and unstable core ?

[hollow snow]

Not sure it's 20250613

[mortal mist]

it;s stable core

grab this #unstable-nightlies message

there was a change for save handling

or use older main

[hollow snow]

Ok cool thanks

Do I need the unstable mister or will it be fine with stable?

Nevermind seems to be working now

[glossy steppe]

Improvements don't mean just adding more code, most of the time it means optimizing or replacing code

[hollow snow]

I've really started to dig into the Saturn library the past few days. I never owned a Saturn so it's brand new territory for me.

Got some cool arcade ports some are even better than the arcade

[glossy steppe]

Yeah, thre are some really neat games on it

Saturn was how I found out about Vanillaware with Princess CRown, still can't believe it's finally been translated

And then there are games like Bulk Slash or Burning Rangers

Or Astal

It shines more with 2D games in my opinion, and there were some great ones that are not well known

[hollow snow]

I think it does well for 3d racing games but not so much other stuff

[glossy steppe]

Outside of Daytona most other racing games I am that are recommended or at least notable on Saturn use sprites

[hollow snow]

Formula karts? It's hard to tell sometimes

[glossy steppe]

I forgot was that Kingdom Magic Grand Prix or whatever it's called game on saturn?

I know it was originally an arcade game

Odd hybrid of a racing game and a vertical SHMUP

Characters are all over the place too, people in plains, a mecha, a fairy, I think there is even a dwarf?

[winter phoenix]

Great little game. Plays even better with the racing wheel, as I just found out this week when my Suruga-ya order arrived just before tariffs kicked in

I just wish it didn’t play 20% too fast on 60hz consoles

[hollow snow]

It seemed a bit fast to me on mister..I keep hitting the wall

[glossy steppe]

Made for PAL?

[hollow snow]

Yeah

[glossy steppe]

Rare to see a console game run faster on NTSC systems than slower on PAL systems

[winter phoenix]

I’ve wondered how Celeriyacon knows how to make such accurate tests. What is he doing?

[winter phoenix]

Yeah it’s 50hz optimized. It only came out in PAL

[ripe valley]

Never said, very secretive.

[hollow snow]

Formula karts is a pal exclusive

[glossy steppe]

Oh, it's PAL-only?

[winter phoenix]

The bottom of the screen is cut off, too, which sucks

[glossy steppe]

That explains the forcing it in 60hz then

I guess you would need either a TV that can handle PAL signals, an upscaler, or to use hdmi?

[ripe valley]

And, srg320 could correct celeriyacon.
There are some omissions and missing info inside the last SMPC test.

[winter phoenix]

Does the MiSTer have a 50hz PAL mode?

[ripe valley]

With the PAL Bios.

[winter phoenix]

OK cool

[ripe valley]

At least it should.

I need to go for today.

[winter phoenix]

Might try Formula Karts with that and my new wheel connected through SNAC

[winter phoenix]

Alright thanks for answering my questions! Later Zet

[glossy steppe]

I am guessing NTSC/PAL/refresh rates dont' matter when outputting over hdmi right?

later

[hollow snow]

I found out through an episode of game sack. That the Saturn version of outrun has a hidden smooth mode that makes it run smoother than the arcade version

[ripe valley]

It works well, try it.

[hollow snow]

I was playing it earlier..the option is saved so you only have to set it once

Got the smoother gameplay plus an arranged soundtrack

[glossy steppe]

Why is it a hidden option you have to turn on?

[candid osprey]

So, how does the Saturn core compared to Mednafen/Beetle Saturn? That emulator seems very good

[rich violet]

Sega rally is my favourite game

[glossy steppe]

tlsa?

[burnt matrix]

That Shinretsi Ninja game is translated

[hollow snow]

I'm not sure but in the option where you set the game mode to Japanese or overseas hold A and C and it will allow you to set Japanese(smooth) or Overseas(smooth)

I agree tho it's probably something you would want unlocked..it's a selling point for that game.

It does seem to make the game easier to play..imagine that .lol

[winter phoenix]

Yes #1046941029296779344 message

[ripe valley]

I finished it yesterday on the current unstable core.
I wanted to check if the SCU is correct with that game, it relies on some accurate Bus timings.

Just checking by here.

[winter phoenix]

The core is apparently more accurate than Mednafen

[ripe valley]

I can confirm.

[hollow snow]

Looks like a walking shmup

[ripe valley]

We are surpassing every Saturn software emulators so far.
Even Mednafen.

But, Mednafen was almost right without our current knowledge and discoveries from the last two years.

That's already impressive.

[celest lake]

just to follow up on this, my other mister looped the intro for 14 hours (forgot I set it before going to bed last night)

[glossy steppe]

Odd, mine eventually crashed every time, usuallu within 30 min, sometimes up to 60

[safe trail]

Mednafen spent a LONG time refining their Saturn knowledge. I think it was pretty much all they worked on for a couple of years around 2020 or so.

[serene thunder]

Battle Monsters is party game

[cursive tree]

For latest Saturn unstable core, should I use the latest Mister main or the latest unstable Mister main?

[left hollow]

Unstable main or won't work properly

[cursive tree]

Thank you!

[analog totem]

I thought latest stable. MiSTer main. was fine now?

[celest lake]

mister main being updated "broke" the saturn stable

so now we need a new saturn stable

Or you take the unstable, rename it so it has the same name as the stable, and overwrite it in your /_Consoles folder #1046941029296779344 message

[burnt matrix]

Yeah, it’s a good call. I think pinning it for now like you said is for the best.

Thank you for thinking ahead

[cursive tree]

It broke the latest saturn unstable too?

[celest lake]

no, unstable is fine

[burnt matrix]

Quick explanation. A change to how saves are handled was done in the latest Saturn core unstable and the latest MiSTer unstable.

A new MiSTer stable was pushed which included those save changes but since there’s no new Saturn stable with those changes too, it will cause issues.

Interim solution is to just get latest Saturn unstable. Therefor MiSTer main and Saturn have the same save changes and everything will continue to work just fine.

Actual solution is to get a new Saturn stable out that has to save changes, but who knows when that will be.

Make sense?

[cursive tree]

Thanks! If I understand it right (my English isn’t that good) I am good since I got the latest unstable Saturn core + latest Stable Mister Main. Is that right?

[celest lake]

Yup, you’re good

[burnt matrix]

Thank you for speaking with us in English. It’s always a challenge not being able to talk in your mother tongue so your effort is impressive and appreciated.

[cursive tree]

Thank you! You all are great! MiSTer community is the best!

[ripe valley]

||If you see that black line on Garou Densetsu 3, that's not a core issue.
We confirmed it on tests.||

EDIT : I need a second review after my return, I have contrary results between people.

||The scanlines and the video signal blends it on a real Saturn system with a CRT display.||

[burnt matrix]

LOL that’s awesome

[visual grove]

Checkmate modern displays

[drowsy hull]

If I wasn't lazy today I'd take out my saturn on a modern display and disproof it (well, mostly failing at it I suppose).

[drowsy hull]

So... I wasn't lazy after all and cannot see the line with my jp sat/m4k setup (detecting as 320x224p so no deinterlacing), but it is clearly visible with the mister setup (DS).

[polar mountain]

That would be a great wallpaper if it didn't have the black line 😢

[burnt matrix]

Well if you’re on a crt you won’t see the line

[burnt matrix]

lol you own a Saturn

[drowsy hull]

Of course, not everyone is a fake fan

[burnt matrix]

heeeeheeee haha

Saturn is alright, plays Sega Rally, it gets an A+

[lofty spire]

Rallyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[polar mountain]

Saturn Sega Rally is not just a perfect game...

It's a way of life

[drowsy hull]

Interesting... cannot even get a closeup shot of geese with the press start button text (though that might be randomness)

[polar mountain]

You can derive many important philosophical tenets by which to live your life from the sega rally port

1: You only need one person cheering you on

Even if that one person... is yourself...

2: don't take long easy things for granted

[drowsy hull]

Yeah, either my saturn is superior to all the others or fenrir does influence how GD3 runs.

That shall be the extent of my research

[polar mountain]

3: Elephants are cool

4: Game over doesn't have to be sad

[burnt matrix]

Thank you

[pine bobcat]

long easy right... maybe

[tiny quartz]

This doesn't make any sense. Scanlines don't cover over pixels, they're the gap between lines. If that black line appeared on a real Saturn, it'd be visible because it would be a black line between two scanlines, effectively being three black lines in a row. And CRT blur doesn't work vertically, unless your CRT is completely fucked up

[green swift]

🍿

[tiny quartz]

Either a real Saturn shows the line and it's visible on any display, or the line doesn't happen. There's no way to have a whole ass horizontal black line and not see it.

[tiny quartz]

It's late and I'm off for the night. If this is still being debated tomorrow I'll fire up a Saturn and CRT and whatever I need to prove this. Let's never stop fighting for accuracy, in all things. ❤️

[burnt matrix]

Wouldn’t a CRT smooth over the black line

Genuine question

[ripe valley]

That's what I said.

The CRT and the composite signal smooth out the line.

[celest lake]

it definitely doesn't smooth it on svideo. checking composite

[ripe valley]

There is an error in the game code when operating Scaled Sprites during that single frame.

[celest lake]

yeah, it's pretty obvious on both svideo and composite. but if it happens on real hardware then it happens on real hardware

[drowsy hull]

doesn't on mine

looking at 5+ year old yt vids (some 30fps, some 60) it does not there as well

[green swift]

(I forgot we don’t do gifs ‘round these parts)

Here we go baby!

[drowsy hull]

in addition they have the press start buttons synced like I see it on my setup

[fallow oracle]

I don't have my PVM handy otherwise I'd jump in and do some checking. Got basically everything else.

[celest lake]

it's definitely on my mister + CRT setup (I was checking to see if the scanlines helped). I don't have a saturn set up

[fallow oracle]

Well, I say that. RGB capture card was taken out of my machine and it's...somewhere in a box

[ripe valley]

It's literally in the game code.
We see the error on a single frame, and this frame isn't really visible on a CRT because the CRT will blend the image with the composite output of a real console and it's touching a scanllne too.

May no one ever have to report this 'error', which isn't one.

We spent two days checking with other Saturn owners back then, as well as comparing the core and existing emulators.

[fallow oracle]

Right, I get the explanation. We have to remember that no game is perfect and even if it seems like something that should be incredibly obvious today, that's not how the mid-late 90s worked

[ripe valley]

Next time, I won't say anything until 100% sure and verified multiple times.
My flight has arrived, see you in 15 days.

[wise brook]

i wish you a pleasant journey and safe travels

[sturdy dagger]

Please do keep saying stuff. It's interesting to see all the quirks and potential issues these old games have that might have not been noticeable.

Have a nice flight and a good time 🙂

[drowsy hull]

magic saturn confirmed, nevertheless enjoy your vacation

[wise brook]

https://tenor.com/view/mad-angry-staring-gif-5177285623803000570

[warped saddle]

I don't see it on a saturn via scart into a retrotink 5x, I do see it with a mister going into the same 5x via scart

[ripe valley]

Okay, I will ask a second review after my return.

Thanks everyone, maybe I made a mistake with other testers and concluded too soon.

(My flight is delayed...)

[drowsy hull]

@warped saddle using an ode? And (hoping the setup is still standing) is the press start text on screen during the closeup?

[visual grove]

I only got as far as checking Saturn before I had to run out to the car to go to a fair with the family. It’s like they don’t even care about horizontal lines in a Saturn game I’ve never played

[fallow oracle]

Family doesn't care about the accuracy of a core for a game console that many of them may've never played? Time to get a new family

Unless the fair is Sega-themed

[visual grove]

Shit that would be amazing

[celest lake]

The fried Oreos aren’t going to eat themselves

[visual grove]

This one is small there probably won’t even be a vendor selling horrible hand crafted knock offs of Mario or Sonic

There will be maple sugar cotton candy though

Always find the rainbow

[floral saddle]

No obviously marked real hardware footage on youtube but this shows a black line several times if you go frame by frame.

Also misses a line of the sprite out of the shoe on the first couple of frames too.

[lofty spire]

if you click between the pictures fast enough, it's like he's rocking in his chair 🙂

[drowsy hull]

the missing line within the shoe at the top however I can also see with my setup

[ripe valley]

All emulators behave the same on that situation.
And the current core.
Upon further analysis, we found that a pixel line wasn't rendering on the debuggers, inside the game code.
And the scaled sprite coordinates are correct.

[floral saddle]

The shoe looks good, need to find more real hardware capture. No black lines in this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7frepqn-0A

The screen is having a shake up and down when he puts his foot down, could it be the emulators are displaying a black line when that part happens, incorrectly? Just a thought....

[drowsy hull]

Missing line in shoe, no black line but also no press start prompt

[floral saddle]

Nope, first black line appears beffore his foot does down and the shake happens.

[ripe valley]

We concluded about that line the first time because some other testers reported to see that line but very faint on their CRTs displays.
I don't have the possibility to test it myself, as I'm traveling for the next 15 days.
StrikerX3 searched a little bit too yesterday and shared those informations.

You can see the bounding boxes between Scaled sprites here.

And with Kronos debugger, we could see the VDP1 informations sent.

y== 71 for the first part, and y==73 for the next part.
There is no Scaled sprite on y==72, so a black line appears.

That's why I have been affirmative too, but your reports here and NFG is right too, it shouldn't be blended.

And all the current emulators were tested, with the same black line.

[drowsy hull]

I still wonder why the press start prompt differs from its timing to be there or not

I used the same image between mister and and fenrir

and it being there or not during this questionable part at least coincides with the black line being there or not

[serene thunder]

I miss the simpler days of 12 fps NES ports done by Micronics

Ikari Warriors is so broken it's absurd

[tiny quartz]

Up to a point, but CRT blur occurs mostly horizontally, and mostly with video formats that do chroma bursts for colour transmission, like RF or composite. It happens still with cleaner signals like s-video or RGB, but not as much.

CRTs will blur a single pixel very well, which is how dithering looks like transparency, but a super sharp beam like on a PVM will expose these pixels too. CRT size plays a part as well.

A whole screen black line cannot be hidden this way, there's just no way this will happen.

Scalers and digital displays that resample the image or do de-interlacing might, but at that point all bets are off. 😁 (tagging in @ripe valley )

[burnt matrix]

Wow thank you for a such a detailed answer!

I am CRT noob.

[floral saddle]

Had a dig on youtube, found 5 videos from real hardware and none of them show the black lines, all good captures, one of the sources is a channel I have used to check a bunch of previous bugs before reporting. Bookmarked so zet can take a look at a later date...

[green jacinth]

quick question, the update stv script is no longer in use?

its just thru update all now?

[ancient surge]

Maybe the glitched line discrepancy is related to different revisions?

[celest lake]

yeah, that's right. No need to symlink it to the arcade folder, or download the MRAs from a different repo - it's all in update all

the only sticking point is that it only gets updated when there is a saturn stable update. If you want the unstable in there, you need to copy it over yourself

[floral saddle]

Already checked, the game didn't have any revisions.

[green jacinth]

done and done. i just wanted to remove update stv from scripts and just making sure its not coming back into play

[celest lake]

It did it's job. We salute @river river

https://tenor.com/bY1Wk.gif

[deep walrus]

It's been awhile since I messed around with my mister. Ran the update all script like I always do when I turn on my Mister, went to play some Saturn games and ram expansion games have been acting funny.

It doesn't detect the ram expansion

[small ore]

You need the latest unstable saturn core. The stable main broke it.

[deep walrus]

Makes sense, thanks for the heads up. I was thinking there was something wrong with my ram on the Mister. I ran other stuff like cps2 and Neo and that stuff ran fine.

[celest lake]

this is the easiest fix: #1046941029296779344 message

[deep walrus]

Thanks bud. Ill go ahead delete the current core file and add this one

Just replaced the rbf and every thing is working fine. Thanks again guys.

[lilac root]

hello am on the mister discord and am trying to get to the MiSTer-unstable-nightlies to get the ST-V core can I can not locate it

[wise brook]

you probably need to add access the channel

[wise brook]

go to channels and roles, select “i want it all” from the bottom of the page

[small ore]

id:customize to add roles to access #unstable-nightlies

[lilac root]

ok cool thank you so much

[burnt matrix]

If it makes things easier I also pinned latest cores along with a bunch of relevant info the pins for each channel

#1046941029296779344 pins

[idle vortex]

Sega Saturn:

• For New Members
• Core Developer
• Download Core
• Testing Sheet
• Important Info
• Reminder on Bugs

[lilac root]

thank you so much I fell asleep

[hallow fossil]

You know that you have a version of the core on your MiSTer already, and you load the ST-V games from the arcade folder like other arcade systems? You only want to swap it out manually for the unstable version if there are fixes in there not yet in Main impacting the games you want to play

[prisma wraith]

What is the status of Soukyugurentai on the ST-V core? Anyone played through all the way? Was thinking of doing that for the next #game-challenge

I saw in the spreadsheet its listed as "Playable". I guess I should test it on the latest single-sdram variant of the core. Noticed that core is a few updates behind the dual-sdram one, are there some things being added to the dual-sdram version that arent possible on single-sdram setups?

oh nevermind i found the latest ST-V single-sdram core, just didnt post to unstable nightlies for some reason..
https://github.com/MiSTer-unstable-nightlies/Saturn_MiSTer/releases/download/unstable-builds/ST-V_unstable_20250826_206b47.rbf

[wide glacier]

it was pretty slow when i tried it on single ram, but that was a few months ago

[prisma wraith]

Ah reading further it looks like the latest update was only for adding the save selection which only really applies to the saturn core.

[prisma wraith]

Thanks! I think we will probably wait to have a challenge on ST-V until further along in development.

[wise brook]

hell yeah

i suggested buying a second sdram

[drowsy hull]

you monster

[wise brook]

and instantly got the full spectrum of responses from “great” to “hogwash”

[drowsy hull]

not everyone has things to pawn off, enabling one to buy a second stick

[wise brook]

i think it’s ’cause a hyper-majority of MiSTer owners were nintendo kids

so they don’t have original hardware experience to compare to

[sturdy dagger]

The way I see it. If your only going to use HDMI on the Mister and you have a spare £20. No reason not to buy a ram from Taki

[ancient surge]

I'm in that minority more interested in the SEGA stuff, plus Neo Geo and TurboGrafx-16.

In fact, I bought a DE-10 because I heard a SEGA Saturn core was in development and wanted to try it out myself.

[wide glacier]

neo geo and pc engine alone make a mister worth owning imo

[prisma wraith]

I did the same back when the super nintendo core was in development, by the same core developer as Saturn and many others now ❤️

[drowsy folio]

same here, SNES made me jump on it. Everything else has been a nice extra

[glossy steppe]

Taki making them affordable is what finally made me jump on it, as well as N64 and Saturn finally being on it

Still having problems with NiGHTS and Magic Knight Rayearth, though I have narroed down some things that make it stop crashing

Seemingly

(Maybe it just takes a lot longer to crash that way)

[trim nimbus]

What is the benefit of having an analog board vs using dv and an hdmi->db15 dac

[upper dust]

Dual displays, mostly for CRT use. Such as if you're streaming and want to play on a CRT too. Or you don't want to unplug anything to play game that won't work on a CRT.

[rotund steeple]

You can use analog and digital out at the same time.

[upper dust]

Finding a good quality DAC for DV can be difficult too. MiSTer Addons' IO Direct DAC is quite good though for $60

[trim nimbus]

Just seems like more of a niche situation. Streamers are ruining video games 🤡

pretty soon, srg is going to have to just put a disclaimer on single ram: Unexpected, uncommon issues are rare. Especially in a negligible degree under esoteric circumstances

[pearl harbor]

I jumped onto the MiSTer train right as the Playstation core was finished. So I was there for most of the Saturn core development and all of the N64 development. Good times.

[pine bobcat]

I was convinced to buy one in 2018 after comparing the cost of modding my Amiga for modern use
Everything else that came after was gravy
Probably the most value for money of anything I've ever purchased
And I'm still using the same bare DE10-Nano: no I/O board, no case, single RAM

[left hollow]

I had my mister before the playstation core was even announced but I I hardly touched it until i found out it was in development

[burnt matrix]

I did the same but for PS1. It was just more expensive to do an HDMI mod + ODE for the PS1 versus buying a MiSTer.

I was wanting to get a Polymega but when they dropped FPGA I completely lost interest.

[pine bobcat]

Unfortunately I put together a PS1 + PS1Digital + Xstation, as well as a VSaturn + MODE
before the MiSTer cores were announced

now they just sit there, and I really want to get rid of them...

[wide glacier]

i wish we had a cheaper, plug 'n play ps1 ode

[pine bobcat]

MStation should be good, if it releases

[wide glacier]

that's what i'm worried about lol

[pine bobcat]

(I'm also stuck with a PSIO modded PS1 that I bought before the Xstation released 😛 )

[wide glacier]

unfortunate

[left hollow]

We're in such a glory age of ode's these days, it'd be foolish not to release

[wide glacier]

rama's work is excellent but it takes forever for him to release shit

[left hollow]

I still have a WODE for my Wii from back in the day, it's silly these old systems are just getting modern solutions

or at least afforadable solutions

[wide glacier]

the wode is cool...

[left hollow]

The wode is dope, I got alot of use out of it 😛 especially way back when

[wide glacier]

is there any reason to own that over just using a backup loader these days

[left hollow]

I don't think so

But for all i know it's more accurate

[burnt matrix]

I mean I think that’s cool

[pine bobcat]

You might think this is cool:
Before the PS1Digital, I was using a Waka Upscan Converter to run PS1 to a top of the line CRT monitor (Mitsubishi Diamondtron 22")

The interesting thing about the Waka is that it was an official PS1 peripheral, making it the only officially licensed console upscaler ever

This thing here:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/256329118837

still have that in a box as well

[polar mountain]

I saddled up and wrangled myself a MiSTer when furrtek's Neo Geo core was released.

[teal steppe]

yeah wrangling is the right word for when you try to get a MiSTer for a good price.

[polar mountain]

I read about the de capping of the chips and the fpga and I could not believe my eyes!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[green swift]

Never knew this existed. Would be cool to see a video about it from a vtuber that reviews odd/rare peripherals.

[floral saddle]

https://youtu.be/0m0keN5vN4E?feature=shared

[green swift]

Well well well. MLIG no less. Thanks!

Not sure how i've missed that one.

[glossy steppe]

I wish we had an ODE for the PS1 that wasn't full of compatibility problems and run by a jerk 🙁

[green swift]

Yeah, how's the PSIO saga going these days? Last I heard he was holding a fully-baked firmware update hostage lol

[glossy steppe]

He released it last year... with several layers of additional DRM and hoops you had to jump through to "register" your PSIO, and if you had bought it from someone else you had to pay to get the license transferred to you or something like that

It got like, 3 more updates, and no more word since

The forums are STILL down (He claimed he would bring them up once they basically have DRM so only owners of a PSIO can post)

And I recall he stated that if his firmware is cracked again he would abandon the product... the new firmware with all the new DRM that he held the update hostage for over three years to add was cracked on a Russian forum in like a month....

[green swift]

What a jerk.

[burnt matrix]

I’m going to comment because I’m an idiot that doesn’t learn.

But I find irony in someone who makes a device that enables people to easily use pirated software to be so concerned about his own software being pirated.

[glossy steppe]

Seems to be a common thing

I remember programs years ago to rip PC CDs with all funky non-standard stuff for DRM intact and dump DVDs had some of the strongest anti-piracy measures

They KNEW what their stuff was msotly used for

[burnt matrix]

Also pirating PS1 games does zero harm. No one is actively out there selling them for that console and absolutely none of the original developers get paid if there’s a publisher out there selling reprints.

Soooooo it’s whatever imo

[glossy steppe]

Technically Square-Enix was still selling PSX games until like... last year or 2023 or so, there was videos of people unwrapping a brand new copy of FF9 or something like that from those

They weren't even black on the back anymore, they were silver disks

[pine bobcat]

See, even Square ended up selling PSX silvers
Just like the ones I have from HK and Malaysia

[glossy steppe]

XD

Well, the difference is S-E's worked on unmodded systems

[pine bobcat]

So did mine

(with something to hold the spring down)

I did 6 months of the swap trick before installing a mod

[glossy steppe]

:p

[deft verge]

i remember doing that as a kid

[viscid shard]

I finally looked into a Mister this year after hearing about the progress of the PS1 and N64 core. I found the experience of emulation on other devices to not be my jam, so being able to also play SNES, NES, Genesis, etc in a very accurate way was compelling as well.

Had I not bought my Sega Saturn last year, that would have been another driving factor. I do enjoy having an actual Saturn with a Fenrir ODE, but being able to just plug my controllers into SNAC and play on the core is nice for those times when I don’t feel like dragging the Saturn and Retrotink out to set everything up.

[winter phoenix]

do what I do ... keep a CRT in your living room that only has a Sega Saturn hooked up to it

[wide glacier]

that's all you need in life

as for the psio, the creator is a dick, and deserved to have both his product and firmware bootlegged

i haven't played with my psio too much, but compatibility seemed okay last i tried. had one crash in sotn, but it might've been either the cheap sd card i was using, or whatever loading routine i selected in the menu

the only reason i like the psio is because it can fit in a PSone. hopefully the mstation makes it obsolete, if it ever releases...

[burnt matrix]

look what I found in the trash

[celest lake]

let me know when you take the trash out.......

[serene thunder]

Imagine if Saturn could take Genesis carts and play SEGA CD

Shoot, get a convertor for SMS carts also

[pearl harbor]

32X or bust.

[serene thunder]

Now that's a bridge too far

But yeah, 32X CD

Plus Super Saturn with 32X acting as extra muscle

[drowsy hull]

I can believe and understand people throwing PDS into the trash, it having such a position in a light flooded room is just try hard staged. Better leave that to them youtubers.

[sharp forum]

I’ll take that off your hands

[muted cradle]

It would be called "MiSTer" then (let's see if Taki can actually pull it off to read CDs on the fly)

[glossy steppe]

I like that you can keep your disk drive, I hate how most ODEs make you remove it. I wish there was more ODEs that did that, especially for Dreamcast

[burnt matrix]

It’s actually not mine lol. I’ve been borrowing it from a friend and his whole Saturn collection for like 15 years now.

[drowsy hull]

You had your time with it, now it is time to share and lend it to the next guy

[pearl harbor]

"Borrowing" 😏

[obsidian herald]

I’m sad that it looks like GBS-Control (another one of this projects) is basically dead. That scaler got me through the first few years of getting back to retro games and taught me to solder. It sooooooo good. I love my retrotink but would love a proper low cost alternative.

[wide glacier]

gbs-control is great and could be even better with some further tweaks

again i love rama's work but damn it takes him forever to do anything lol

[obsidian herald]

I mean he has released infinity more things than me 😎

Hopefully he’s slow because he has a fulfilling life outside of his hobbies.

[wide glacier]

i just want updates on the mstation tbh

[burnt matrix]

Morph4k is a fantastic and a much cheaper alternative. For transparency the team there gave me a free unit.

[radiant karma]

For the price, the digital only morph is really great as a mister only upscaler. Now that it is confirmed the de25 nano has the same HDMI chip as the de10, you will be using it for years. I still am waiting for rotation support though, I need that for stv shienryu.

[drowsy hull]

Just interact with woozle to encourage him enough to make his 4k hat brainchild reality

[obsidian herald]

I think I built my first gbs-c for $50 and I’ve bought a prebuilt one (that has actually survived longer than my DIY model!) for $75 so I guess by low cost I mean dirt cheap (relative to this hobby)

[thorn pagoda]

GBS-C didn't really die it just achieved all it could on that hardware

[jagged spire]

Anyone had any luck using Virtua Guns via SNAC?

[wise brook]

my guy

2 years of playing it

[leaden dagger]

are you using a crt or hdtv?

[jagged spire]

CRT

[jagged spire]

any particular configuration I should be aware of? I tried yesterday with two different guns and it only registers the buttons, no tracking

the guns work fine on a real saturn

I also have no issues with other lightguns, tried zapper and guncon via SNAC and guncon 2 via usb

[wise brook]

mmm, i’ll fire up my setup to check if something broke

working fine

[wise brook]

have you got a voltage adapter?

[glossy steppe]

Anyone else having weird control issues in NiGHTS?

[sharp forum]

beyond the normal weirdness in the controls?

[wise brook]

what controller?

[wise brook]

if you’re referring to using a modern controller set to analog, yeah. you can make nights drift upwards by making a small movement to the left or right from standing still

snac is fine as is digital controls

[glossy steppe]

Yeah, I keep floating up. Also can't do tricks with L/R

Using a modern USB controller set to 3D pad

[wise brook]

no one can, because analog triggers are not implemented on the MiSTer project

[glossy steppe]

I know analog triggers haven't been implemented yet, but they don't even respond digitally?

Also analog control has been implemented hasn't it? Why do I keep floating up?

NiGHTS was kind of designed around having analog controls

[wise brook]

3d works fine with an original controller

3d seems to have an issue, as i described above with modern controller

[glossy steppe]

I don't have a Saturn SNAC adapter 🙁

And I would want to just use my usb controller anyway to be fair. Nothing I can do about this?

[wise brook]

ask Sorg or something idk

it’s been on the to-do list for years

[sharp forum]

Dunno about the floating up problem you’re having. Just tested it out with a 3D Pad with a reflex adapt and don’t have any drifting. The triggers for the tricks on the other hand, yeah those don’t work for some reason. Which is odd because with the ground movement they do work digitally for turning the camera

The game must be polling the triggers for analog movement while playing as nights or something

Worst case you could try to remap L and R to digital buttons on your controller and see if it detects them that way

I haven’t played nights a whole lot either, are the tricks important to the gameplay?

[glossy steppe]

Pretty much anytime I do anything which causes me to stop such as breaking one of those jails or returning to the shrine NiGHTS just slowly starts floating up and I have to fight the controls to move again

Ask for the tricks, they're not important for beating the base game but they are important for getting a better grade with a higher score, which gets you a better ending song

[jagged spire]

yes, regular and 3d controllers work fine

[wise brook]

and as you can see, Virtua Gun works fine for me

[jagged spire]

i got the snac adapter from akicus for whatever it's worth

[wise brook]

just turn on snac and it’s all good

[wise brook]

name rings a bell

[jagged spire]

oh well, i'll try again tomorrow, thanks!

[wise brook]

yeah, i’ve got his voltage level shifter,

good vendor

[glossy steppe]

I got the diy adapters from there. Though still, I'd like to figure out why im floating up with tje controller I prefer. I don't feel it's a good "work around" to just say get a snac adapter and 30 year old 3d controller. Especially when I didn't have this problem with other Saturn games that support the 3d pad

[obsidian herald]

Do the analog triggers work in SNAC? I haven’t tried yet.

[wise brook]

yeah they work 1to1

[obsidian herald]

Awesome

The stick drift thing is why I just use SNAC personally. I know modern USB controllers work great on MiSTer but for analog stick stuff I’d rather just have the original hardware with the original signals so these weird games just work.

For DPAD games, yeah a button is basically a button.

And I suspect something like a Reflex Adapt with 1000ms polling is perceptibly identical to SNAC and you get the benefit of menu controls, etc.

[sharp forum]

I don’t have a SNAC box to compare with but latency on reflex is already imperceptible to me

[obsidian herald]

I’m absolutely positive I would never know the difference in latency, but I might notice the analog input curves being different, a weird deadzone, or some other anomaly.

[mystic hazel]

There’s a known issue with some SNaC adapters and the stunner. My SNax 2.1 works with mine.

[glossy steppe]

Funnu you say that, because the modern controller I am using is hall effect, like the original 3D pad, so it shoulden't really had drift... it also new

[wise brook]

dead zones

[glossy steppe]

So apparently this issue was closed back in June... but I am still expirencing it right nw: https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/411

[glossy steppe]

This controller should have pretty much zero dead zones

[celest lake]

did you end up moving the unstable stv core to /_Arcade/cores (and delete the existing one)?

[glossy steppe]

Is that a different core than the saturn core? I only put the unstable saturn core in consoles

Because the latest mister core broke saving in it

[celest lake]

yeah, so it's still broken on the stable stv core. Copy this into /_Arcade/cores (and overwrite the existing core) and let me know if it's fixed there

[glossy steppe]

Yeah, it's fixed now

[obsidian herald]

Yeah this is kind of my point exactly: the core is just going to handle things different for USB inputs than SNAC and things that don’t really seem logical seem to start to happen.

Early 3D games were just doing weird things. Let alone if they were early 3D games like, say, on the N64 where they were using optical encoders on brutally weird analog sticks.

[glossy steppe]

NiGHTS is the only game I've had trouble with, other Saturn games and other cores that support analog work fine

[obsidian herald]

Well then there less corner cases than I thought and that’s great! It’s one of those irrational things for me where knowing the signals are just going into the core “the right way” makes me not wonder about it and lets me enjoy the game more.

It’s rad that both paths are available and work so well.

[glossy steppe]

Just sucks that my favorite game has issues, and it was made with analog in mind to the point that it came with the controller

[obsidian herald]

Yeah it’s actually the only game I think really NEEDS the analog pad

[glossy steppe]

I think it's kind of important in the driving games that support it too, especially that version of Daytona that supports analog triggers for gas and brake

[obsidian herald]

I’m shocked at how well those game play with the dpad but fair point!

[clear condor]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer/issues/823

[obsidian herald]

Lots of games I thought would be better with the 3D pad just play great with the Saturn pad. Like Panzer Dragoon.

[clear condor]

Sega Rally is so unreasonably good with the Saturn pad

[wise brook]

almost the 2 year anniversary

[glossy steppe]

This is becoming Analog Triggers Forever

[sharp forum]

I thought this was a limitation of the USB driver or something at the mister level

Not much srg can do until then

[warped saddle]

it's just Sorg not wanting to deal with making a UI for it and modifying the framework for a handful of games on one system

[drowsy hull]

If only someone like Zakk was up for the task and could surprise him with a PR

[warped saddle]

surprising him with a PR like that is certainly a strategy

[thorn pagoda]

what UI modifications are needed?

[warped saddle]

you need a way to tell main what axes are triggers

[thorn pagoda]

isn't that just like configuring an analog stick but only 1 axis

[warped saddle]

it's yet more crap in that dialog, it's not relevant for 99% of cores etc

[visual grove]

Oh good

[thorn pagoda]

hm

[visual grove]

We definitely need more things in that 😉

[thorn pagoda]

you cant bind analog axis at the core level right

[warped saddle]

yes, but only digitally

[thorn pagoda]

it could really use breaking up into submenus probably

[warped saddle]

cores have no mechanism to allow core-specific analog mapping

[thorn pagoda]

idk, i personally wouldn't find this more annoying than having to configure mouse emu (sniper) for the millionth time

[warped saddle]

I don't disagree, I think that stuff is probably less used than analog triggers would be

[thorn pagoda]

by me certainly

[warped saddle]

this is where we find out Sorg makes extensive use of analog sticks to move mice around

[thorn pagoda]

bindings could have like, 3 menus? basic (buttons), analog axis, and advanced/misc?

i mean, he uses facebook so anythings on the table

i dont think sorg is going to do this ultimately so we need a hero and it's going to have to be really polished to get accepted

[trim nimbus]

He likes config files, do you even need a menu? 😉

[pine bobcat]

Speaking of analog triggers, how do they currently work when mapped digitally?
Is there simply a threshold at 50%, e.g. 0-63 off, 64-127 on?

[warped saddle]

yeah, it's a threshold. I don't 100% remember what it is tho

[pine bobcat]

I ask because on the Gamesir T3 lite (PS1 dualshock style) I recently picked up
the L2/R2 triggers "stick" sometimes when released quickly
(meaning the return isn't detected, and so they act as if still depressed)

It's not something I have noticed on the DS4 for example

I like the T3 lite for the PS1 core, other than that annoyance

I'm wondering if that is happening in the A>D translation

[burnt matrix]

@strong osprey somebody said GameSir

💥 🐔🏃‍♂️💥

[leaden dagger]

I don't want to sound like a contrarian but analog triggers are very useful for a 'faux negcon' setup on ps1 that allows analog acceleration not tied to the right stick.

Very useful config on duckstation

[warped saddle]

ok, a handful of games on two systems

[wise brook]

*peak games

[burnt matrix]

Potentially a few arcade games, at least Outrun I know of

[wise brook]

i’ve got a feeling that it’ll take a Dreamcast core to force the hand

on a successor platform, of course

[leaden dagger]

Also can be used as an alt for racing wheels

As an extension to what @burnt matrix said

[livid grotto]

Before playing the new Shinrei Jusatsushi Taroumaru translation, you should look at this guide. I has having so much trouble playing this game, although easy mode seems to have unlimited continues. https://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?t=74210

[leaden dagger]

Also. Last point before I stop. Doing it now can offset having to do it later

If IF a core that requires analog comes into existence
Future proofing

[burnt matrix]

Dreamcast has analog triggers. I do think that will definitely happen as a core. Just not within five years.

[hallow fossil]

Then Sorg will have to cave come MiSTer 3 on the DE-69 Nano

[alpine pagoda]

Could the triggers be mapped to the second analog axes? Afaik nothing we can run needs analog triggers and two analog sticks.

[warped saddle]

yeah, it's all been brought up and figured out. it's more just either convincing sorg or doing it in a way that he finds acceptable. he's also a bit...sensitive about the input system at times.

[thorn pagoda]

negcon is supported on hundreds of psx games, basically every racing game

[winter phoenix]

how many hands are we gonna need for all the games that use analog triggers that have mister cores

[burnt matrix]

Does it push his buttons? ||gottem||

I will now refer to the Saturn console as an N64-like

[ancient surge]

Would also be nice to have analog for dial controls for certain games.

[hallow fossil]

A couple of years on, do we have more cores that could utilise analogue triggers? Is it "just" PSX and Saturn? Any arcade cores or anything else? Some 486 era joysticks maybe?

[clear condor]

There are certainly 486-era joysticks which support multiple analog axes - some of the Sidewinders, for instance - but I don't think they're supported in any way by ao486 currently

[clear condor]

The one counterexample I know of - decide for yourself whether it matters - is Panzer Dragoon II Zwei supporting six analog axes via the dual Mission Sticks

though I just know it supports the dual mission; I'm not sure all six axes actually do things in the game

[alpine pagoda]

I forgot about those rotary things on the sticks. No idea if anything actually supports them and both sticks though

[wise brook]

i can confirm it doesn’t

there’s a small list Danthrax pointed us to which lists the only games that use it

[noble escarp]

Four axis. Just the two sticks. Few games uses the "Z" axis of each mission stick.

The Need for Speed uses and is the only way to have analog steering with analog brake/gas.

[warped saddle]

yesterday I ate 76 individual slices of kraft american cheese and may require medical intervention

[wise brook]

you know what, imma delete the post

[drowsy hull]

now you make zakk look like a mad man though

[wise brook]

nothing matters, i and my opinions especially don’t matter

[green jacinth]

a year and a half of concerted effort and i've gone from ~300lbs down to 145lbs. at my heaviest, id have found that cheese sandwich offensive

[celest lake]

it's vile looking

also, congrats - that 150 pounds is no small feat

[obsidian herald]

Congrats!

[burnt matrix]

Awesome, wtg!

[wise brook]

https://tenor.com/view/segata-sanshiro-nod-yes-gif-5612081

[green jacinth]

Lol

[winter phoenix]

MiSTer users using the latest stable Saturn core found problems with saving their games after last week's main MiSTer update — find out what the problem is and what you can do to fix it:

https://www.segasaturnshiro.com/2025/09/05/new-mister-main-update-breaks-saturn-game-saving/

[radiant karma]

I wonder what's holding up a new stable. I don't think there are any major issues with the unstable build.

[winter phoenix]

SMPC tests, Zet said

[mortal mist]

Yes and maybe some errors that remain

[ripe valley]

SCSP error on NHL 98 + SMPC Tests (we're struggling on it, I can't do the middleman between srg320 & celeriyacon for the next 10 days) + 3 remaining visual issues.

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-star-wars-gif-10940865116650073754

[glossy steppe]

Horses?

[warped cliff]

I wonder if that means we'll get a new stable soon

[river wing]

Is that real cheese? I read recently that in USA there's cheese that is not real cheese but some compound with industrial ingredients that's allowed to be sold as cheese

(Here in Europe, at least for now, such a thing would not be possible)

[sharp forum]

It’s always sold and labeled as “processed cheese” or a “cheese product”

[warped saddle]

here in the US, we sell cheese with propellant

[river wing]

Wow. And even so, people falls for it? 😮

[sharp forum]

It’s not deception, its sold alongside actual cheese

I doubt most people are under the impression that it is

[lofty spire]

it's not cheese but it's cheesy and has a lower melting point than actual cheese

[river wing]

I see... well.. ehmm... Thanks for the explanation but I hope I always have real cheese around. Industrial processed food is NOT good at all for one's health

[warped saddle]

at least it isn't government cheese

[river wing]

well, I'd prefer government cheese if it was real cheese over some industrial compound from the private food industry any day of the week 😄

[acoustic sable]

Cheese flavored food(*) product
(*) within gvt guidelines for acceptable(**) human ingestion
(**) mostly

[safe trail]

It's got gelatin in it, I think. And it's not really milk ingredients, but rather casein I belive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQSr4CWnXy4

Pretty good video about the history

And it's not even American

[warped saddle]

it is now

[obsidian herald]

The only part of the movie Office Space I didn’t agree with was the bit about how that one guy was a middleman between the customer and the engineers, and how they inferred that was not a real job. Middleman between two parties is often the most important job. Enjoy your vacation!

[manic mica]

anyone got a saturn core that doesnt shrink the title screen on radiant silvergun?

i messed w the video settings and it doesnt change it anymore w new core

[glossy steppe]

Just as long as you don't go nuts when you hear that spray cheese exists, like I have see so many others from the other side of the ocean do when they hear about it. 🧀

[next bronze]

I might be using the dueling rams soon. Mister Pi and the extra ram I ordered should be arriving tomorrow.

[mint sparrow]

I did an Up all yesterday... Is this still the latest working core Jesus ?

[burnt matrix]

You need the core he posted for saves to work.

[serene thunder]

Translation

[obsidian herald]

Translation: it seems there is a misconception in the world that middlemen are part of bureaucratic inefficiency, when in reality sometimes in order for two very smart people to work together you need equally smart people to facilitate that work.

[serene thunder]

Oh haha, I meant in the "aka translation" sense
I was celebrating the role

[obsidian herald]

AHH sorry it’s 5am here and I’m only up because my dog has a bad internal clock lol

[serene thunder]

But thanks for elaborating
Or perhaps reiterating

Yeah I have not slept so that's gonna need to be dealt with soon

Anyway, translation is cool

[obsidian herald]

It truly is. So necessary as well. Seems to be not only a dying art but an under appreciated one too but that just might be the American tech bubble I’ve been living in.

[manic mica]

^anyone?

[radiant karma]

What do you mean with shrink?

[manic mica]

The bob/weave doesn't produce a full screen

Fire up rsg and you'll see what I mean

It used to be where one of em would take screens like that and produce an image that fills the screen

Stuff like vf2 etc

I felt like shrink was the best way to describe it for those who understand lol

[radiant karma]

Mine does

[manic mica]

I have my res at 720 for stream purposes

Output res

That could be a unique thing but yeah latest core w update all

[radiant karma]

Maybe you have integer scaling enabled?

[celest lake]

Hrm. Looks ok on the unstable single ram. Bob and weave:

[manic mica]

Yeah i do and always leave it there

So okay prob an interger scaling thing*

But even with that on previously that was not the case

[drowsy hull]

do the peel

[celest lake]

on on vscale_mode=0 if that is relevant

[manic mica]

Cool just waking up I'll try that

As I understand it- integer scaling has always been the way to go

[radiant karma]

If you have integer scaling on you will not get a full screen, radiant silvergun menu is 448i resolution. At 720p you are leaving 40% of the screen black. Is that what you mean?

[manic mica]

Yeah but the old core didn't do that even w integer scaling

Hold up one sec

So previously- bob/weave would make it so this screen would not fill the screen but

It would be more akin to the rest of the game which occupy most of the screen

I guess what I'm asking is what is the previous update all core because it wasn't an issue

That would be the easiest way to not worry about it lol

[warped saddle]

what resolution does the mister report in both cases?

[manic mica]

Like I said I leave it at 720 so my capture behaves

[warped saddle]

is that the case where it 'works' or doesn't?

[manic mica]

In general- for capture u mean? If it's in 1080 there are certain times where the capture drops when switching res

[warped saddle]

no

I mean the 'squishing' of the image

[manic mica]

^ if you could point me to the last public release before the one in update all

That's really all it is tbh

But yeah if you want me to show output for that screen in particular one sec

There ya go

[radiant karma]

Using integer scaling you will get black bars even inside the gameplay area, not only menus. RS gameplay uses 224 resolution, so at 720p you would get 48 lines of black bars top and bottom. That's correct integer scaling behaviour. Menus use 448, so at 720 you get 272 lines of black bars which is much more bothersome.

[manic mica]

Yeah the precious core would also not fill the screen entirely and that wasn't an issue

I'm just speaking of the title screen and other of the hi res screens it would still be close to the same size as the main game if that makes sense

Just asking really what the previous Saturn core was for update all

It wasn't an issue w that one

[manic mica]

This mf said precious core lol

Thanks autocorrect

[warped saddle]

I think the previous cores were 'wrong' but maybe that should be how everything works

like go do 720p + interlacing + interger scale on the genesis core and play sonic 2 player

same thing

[manic mica]

Yeah I'm not really concerned about the how's and why's tbh

[radiant karma]

Mmm, old bob had an issue where it didn't report the correct interlaced signal to the scaler. @zakk, maybe it affected the scaler somehow? Anyway, as the current behaviour is correct, I would suggest you stop using integer scaling or jump to a higher res to get a larger playable area.

[manic mica]

Just again- what was the previous Saturn core on update all?

That's all I really am asking

[winter phoenix]

It’s from June

[warped saddle]

I'm glad you are unconcerned with the why, but I am, so you get to put up with me

[manic mica]

Okay word thanks!

Nah fuck that zakk lol

(Joking)

[warped saddle]

iit has nothing to do with bob or anything, it does it with weave too

[manic mica]

Yeah so I mean

Before changing that would make it so it was similar to the in game screen

And now it isnt

Bob/weave

But thanks danthrax I'll just do that

Danthrax remains the

Hardest everrrrrrrrrr
(Oh! Oooooooh!)

[radiant karma]

You mention changing that option, so you had the black bars with weave, and setting it to bob fixed it? Or vice versa?

[warped saddle]

it probably worked correctly with bob because bob lied to the scaler

[manic mica]

The previous core still did not fill the screen bc integer but ALSO the title screen wasn't as small if that makes sense

[warped saddle]

I wonder if it is ok in the case of interlaced signals to just scale like 240p

[manic mica]

Like they would both be the same size while also not filling thr screen

Title screen and in game would be at this size

Also fun fact- I think this the only Saturn game I can think of where corrected aspect is the right one