Sega Saturn

[ripe valley]

Knowing and following the works from fafling since years, it was clearly tested on original hardware, so the core is at fault.

[rich violet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp8BuNVQsyo

I've not tried it on the MiSTer yet

Also, that Doom patch really is a huge improvement

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avXMf_khdEE

Aww, the Shenmue is CUE, ISO, WAV format

[hearty marten]

I was really hoping this was the original Saturn version, but I’ll still play it anyway

[teal steppe]

getting the original Saturn Shenmue is probably near impossible.

[cobalt rune]

Who knows if the code and such even still exists. It likely doesn't at Sega

[ripe valley]

Yu Suzuki have it.

[ripe valley]

Frogbull was working on it, with a little help from vbt, some weeks ago when I talked to him.
The fangame was tested on the Fenrir (and the original hardware).
I know for sure the game won't boot with the SAROO (at the moment).
So we will need some time for testing it here, just to be sure.

I hope that someday Frogbull will have a direct access to a MiSTer system too.

[muted cradle]

7-8 fps instead of 4-5 fps in crowded levels 😦

[ripe valley]

I've done a quick test of Shenmue, there are some issues with the emulation of old arcade games.

Issues opened for DOOM Fix Patch and Shenmue.

I try to have the developers involved (one way or the other) on helping in the resolution.

[ripe valley]

The Master System emulation seems to be done by vbt with SMS Plus Saturn Beta, but I need to talk to him too.

[teal steppe]

yeah that has issues, testing right now.

[ripe valley]

I'm discussing with vbt at the moment, he was in charge of the SMS emulator inside the fan game.

If necessary I could contact Frogbull too.
fafling is busy right now, for the DOOM patch.

My French lessons served once more in my life and for the MiSTer project.

[teal steppe]

unfortunately my power supply in my Saturn broke otherwise I could load Shenmue on there to compare.

[hearty marten]

I live in hope that someone will find a copy somewhere

[ripe valley]

i'm sending some more intel from vbt to srg320.
That's all I can do at the moment, as I'm on sick leave until early May.

I'm just following some current projects, so we aren't blocked at all on pending stuff to review or to check quickly.

[winter phoenix]

Just re-rip it as a bin/cue with the Sega Saturn Patcher https://segaxtreme.net/resources/sega-saturn-patcher.73/

[rich violet]

I don't use Windows

[gloomy hedge]

NERD DETECTED

sorry jk

conitune

[rich violet]

Or run binaries from the internet on my computer 😅

[gloomy hedge]

5 binaries a day keeps the russian and chinese hackers at bay

how can they hack a machine thats already hacked

got em

[ancient fractal]

It’s certainly a bit weird that it isn’t open source.. (I do believe it can be run on any OS with a .NET runtime though, but I’ve never tried it myself)

[winter phoenix]

I get it, but lots of people have used SSP without issue (including me) ... it was developed by Knight0fDragon, a trusted member of the Saturn community.

[topaz tartan]

It's always worked fine thru Wine at least.

Signed, a current Linux user.

[topaz tartan]

Right, and how's that Discord client and/or Firefox binary downloaded from the internet holding up?

[rich violet]

Firefox is open source and discord accessed through Firefox

[celest lake]

gotem

[wise brook]

not just trusted. Trustworthy!

[burnt matrix]

Yeah, I asked about it a few months ago and people gave me pretty good answers.

[topaz tartan]

Did you build it yourself from source tho? Even a distro package isn't much better than just "a binary from the internet". :/

Either way, SSP isn't a virus or keylogger, so not sure what the issue is.

[swift yarrow]

I just came here to see if this had been reported, I reproduced on stable January core and most recent unstable dualRAM core

I love that kinda stuff, when a performance ROM hack exposes MiSTer core issues - the funny results from real hardware pushed to its limits. here's to hoping it can be figured out by anybody in the know.

[dense sundial]

I thought discord desktop is an electron app?

[warped saddle]

yeah it is

[topaz path]

Is that in response to the person who said they use Firefox? You don’t have to use the app on desktop. I just use a sandboxed browser for Discord

[dense sundial]

Kinda but also just thinking out loud

I don't care

If I use discord in a browser it's just because I didn't feel like downloading the electron app

[topaz tartan]

I prefer having Rich Presence which is why I use a fork 'cuz Linux shhhh

But the point is I'm being unnecessarily pedantic because in the end, unless someone goes out of their way to build their whole software stack from source themselves, at some point they're using a random binary off the internet anyways.

But iunno, I've been using homebrew since the PSP so maybe I'm just not as concerned.

(Am surprised though that SSP isn't open source. Wonder if there's a reason for that.)

[warped saddle]

It's Saturnday!

[rich violet]

Wow, srg320's so impressive

Making it work with all the homebrew now

[thorn pagoda]

very cool

[river wing]

Wow, if the core isn't perfect now, then it's VERY near perfect...

[thorn pagoda]

i think electronash has some lightgun tweaks to merge someday

[burnt matrix]

pins updated

[burnt matrix]

it's ok, we'll still get a video from MVG in a year from now saying it doesn't work with any homebrew

[radiant karma]

For Saturn? Do they improve the accuracy? I can't get the guns to be as accurate as on the nes or PSX cores.

[thorn pagoda]

it was something to do with 480i lightgun games (there's only 1) and maybe a small tweak to accuracy

can't remember it was ages ago

[ripe valley]

Some Saturn homebrews are coded very 'lightly', to remain polite.

[rich violet]

I liked the Overdrive 2 demo credits. "Grief Counseling for emulator developers is now available at [TiTAN IRC channel details]"

[ripe valley]

For Shenmue, the game was writing to the VDP2 registers with bytes instead of words, that's illegal from the official manual.

But, the real console allows it.

So, the manual was (once more) wrong.

Just to be super-duper simplistic, don't quote me on that.

[drowsy hull]

Never!

[burnt matrix]

Haha too late!!

[ripe valley]

I remember with some other, trying to retranslate the whole original JP manual some years ago.

And notifying all the modifications that aren't correct on the US version one.

[rich violet]

Did you find many mistakes?

[ripe valley]

On every page.

[rich violet]

😭

[burnt matrix]

That’s awesome 🤣

[ripe valley]

I can't show anything as the original document is confidential and should not even be in our hands.

[burnt matrix]

Appreciate you being considerate about that, thank you

I’ve got no clues about the legalities of that stuff but they’re technical manuals so I assume Sega owns the rights to distribute it?

[ripe valley]

Yes.

[burnt matrix]

Ok awesome, thanks for confirming

[ripe valley]

I'm working with emudevs since at least 25 years now, everyone except the Dolphin team had access to confidential documents or have read them, even partially.

The most egregious ones I know of were the N64 emulation developers - everyone involved with the N64 since at least 1999 knew about the Oman Archive (SGI leak) and how to access it.

[mint sparrow]

Are the MRA updated as well ? DOwnload needed ?

[burnt matrix]

Not updated, no. Good question though.

[mint sparrow]

So not needed ? Dont wanna confuse my files 😄

[burnt matrix]

MRA are needed but they haven’t been updated since March 27th

[ripe valley]

No ST-V changes since then.

The core is automatically rebuilt each time when the Saturn side is updated.

[mint sparrow]

ok great thanx

[hearty marten]

Pretty interesting how Dolphin is kind of a “gold standard” emulator

[ripe valley]

No, just clean room RE from the start.

[hearty marten]

I was just about to ask how the Saturn core was doing recently, and whether there were any prominent regressions (I haven’t been keeping up to date) - but a new core gives plenty of new opportunities for things to be fixed 🙂

…and skimming through the GitHub issues page, there are very few things that are open. Many look to be stale issues that can be closed

[cobalt rune]

TIME FOR THE 3DO CORE!! WOOOO

Also hooray for a nearly perfect Saturn core!!

[drowsy hull]

It is still resteicted to original disc speed, right?

[ripe valley]

Timings are so tight that modifying the disc speed will be extremely complex on the core.

[burnt matrix]

I’ve got a trick hidden up my sleeve to continue delaying it

[burnt matrix]

Saturn disc access isn’t bad at all tho, right?

Everything felt pretty speedy to me

[ripe valley]

There are some issues between Puyo Puyo Tsuu and OutRun on the PCE core.

And that SCSI issue too. 😏

[cobalt rune]

Let's just relax on these issues and let the 3DO have its brief moment

[ripe valley]

We already have some issues accessing with games in CHD format and/or on external disc drive (Ultraman, Time Gal, SOTN with Ultimate pach), so speeding up the whole system seems compromised.

[cobalt rune]

I just wanna play AD&D Slayer on my MiSTer damnit lol

[hearty marten]

I think Robby meant that load times on the Saturn aren’t generally bad - so likely not worth the risk, even if it was easy for srg320

[river wing]

Yep, I learned the hard way that "Tiiime Garu!" can't be played in CHD format on the core, only CUE/BIN 🙂

[burnt matrix]

Could you please add "Tiiime Garu!" (Time Gal) to that list? Thank you.

@river wing are you aware of any other games that don’t work with CHD?

[burnt matrix]

Yeah sorry, that’s exactly what I meant. I don’t think I ever wished disc access was faster on the Saturn.

[hearty marten]

Make me

But sure

Done

[drowsy hull]

Well,
Loading times still sum up witg jrpgs

[burnt matrix]

Yeah that’s a good point.

[hearty marten]

But it’s accurate

If you want inaccuracy, buy an anbernic

[winter phoenix]

Implementing a fix just for a new homebrew game? That's awesome

(also for Fafling's Doom fix patch, which is awesome too)

[burnt matrix]

Homebrew games sometimes expose odd quirks of the console’s architecture by utilizing undocumented features or just doing things out of spec. If it works on real hardware, it needs to work on MiSTer.

If that homebrew didn’t work on real hardware there would be no fix for it, for example.

[river wing]

Only that one, but I was told here about the problem (after a while trying to get the game to run) so it must be known

[hearty marten]

Zet and srg320 figured it out, iirc

[drowsy hull]

But does it work on all hardware revs?

[burnt matrix]

I know you trollin’ but that’s a really good question. I have no idea.

[drowsy hull]

wow, that hurts

bully robby at it again :(

[burnt matrix]

Ok sorry, I didn’t mean it to be rude. I meant that I know you’re saying that to joke around but even in jest it’s a really good question.

[drowsy hull]

You really have to work on your troll detection

Is it know if srg320 works implements against a specific rev or is it a accumulation of what works at one should work with all?

(all assuming that there will be that one rev which behaves more strict than others)

[trim nimbus]

He posted a picture of his saturn with a ton of logic probes jutting out everywhere years ago. Not sure if he is still working in a similar environment since that was before his move and I seem to remember he had to leave a lot of his dev stuff?

Not sure if he has multiple consoles to test against, but based on the image that would be a lot of work to switch between them

[rich violet]

This one? https://www.patreon.com/posts/progress-update-81297577

[trim nimbus]

that would be it

I haven’t checked his github, I wonder if he has his logic analyzer core shared

nope

[pearl harbor]

It's Saturnday!? Praise be! 🙏

[muted cradle]

Are regressions known yet? Maybe @latent wigeon can have a go at the Saturn PWM build again?

[ripe valley]

Finding regressions could take several days and I'm not available for heavy testing for some weeks.

So, it's up to other testers and users.

[cobalt rune]

Does anyone here use the various scan line settings? If so, share your settings! I've been messing around with it with fairly decent results but would love to see what others have come up with!

[wise brook]

5xzoom,composite blend on,and 5gen filter preset

[livid grotto]

The 0.2 Doom patch floor glitching is gone now...

[lofty spire]

[Doom guy use button on an uninteractable wall noise]

[exotic elk]

UNH UNH U-U-U-U-UNH

[deft verge]

[thorn pagoda]

the performance improvement on that patch is nuts

it looks at least twice as fast

i wonder how it was achieved

[wise brook]

danthax linked an article that explains the principle

https://www.segasaturnshiro.com/2025/04/14/latest-release-of-the-saturn-doom-fix-patch-dramatically-improves-gameplay/

[thorn pagoda]

nice thanks

if they didn't already speak to the fastdoom guy they should get in touch

oh holy shit it was just bugged, they didn't rewrite rendering or anything:
“The biggest offender that I fixed just a few days ago is a systematic screen frame lost at the end of each game frame,” Fafling said on the SegaXtreme Discord server over the weekend. “It’s due to a mismatch between the frame switching code of SBL and the vsync code of the PSX version.”

sounds like metal slug2

[warped saddle]

speaking of, trap released his mars matrix hack. relevant image from his page

lol

[exotic elk]

oh gods

two frames of lag?

it's always displaying updated positions one frame too late, AND reads input before the wait for next frame

[vernal sun]

By all means, the Saturn port should be able to be lots better than the 32x, right? Obviously with tons of work but still. Kind of cool the work is being done. I imagine Doom could be pretty legit with the 3D pad

[gloomy hedge]

btw I have no idea how to apply this hack

I tried it on uh

"legally obtained mame rom" with xdelta patchers and it didnt work at all

[warped saddle]

skill issue

[gloomy hedge]

so if you guys figure it out someone ping the shit out me please

[gloomy hedge]

yeah definitely

I prefer xAmericanAirlines

I tried 3 different xdelta patchers and yeah the patches work and then the game loads up in mame as usual with none of the features functioning

[inner kayak]

dumb question: has anyone tried making an enhanced port of Star Wars Arcade from 32X to Saturn?

[humble epoch]

Not that I know of but I would love to play one

[exotic elk]

there's always the game called Star Wars Arcade for Arcade

[clear condor]

Sega Model 1 is kind of a hassle

[wise brook]

one of its games were never backed up

some sort of AR shooter experience

[inner kayak]

yes, but it's effecitvely one-off hardware (in terms of arcade games, who knows what Boeing used it for) and extremely complex, so I'm not aware of any successful emulation or FPGA recreation attempts

so I'm wondering if the 32X SH2 version is an easier "lift"

I assume there's a passionate community around that game somewhere who've been binary diffing the various versions available and patching it, but nothing came up in searches

[pearl harbor]

Interesting. I didn't realize that there was a translation patch being worked on for the Saturn version of this game.

[lofty spire]

i've heard more progress on an english patch for the saturn version than for the psx version lol

[pearl harbor]

Never played the game, but I'm curious how different the Saturn version is compared to the SNES version, which already has a patch.

[dense sundial]

Use SSP patcher

[warped saddle]

it was some offtopic stuff (my fault). not saturn related so ssp won't help

although I'm tempted to delete this correction to watch him try

[floral saddle]

The saturn port is considered the best version of the first game.

[gloomy hedge]

Lol I am monkey will dance for you

Yeah no haha

[brittle tulip]

when updating the ST-v core, do you always have to do the mra files as well?

[warped saddle]

only if they've changed

and they haven't changed in three weeks or so

[brittle tulip]

gotcha

i didnt know if every core update meant an mra update as well. but i gues that answers my question. i set up the helper script so its not a big deal to update them anyway

thanks

[burnt matrix]

I have a very dumb question. The MRAs you developed, they aren’t for every single ST-V game, right?

[high bramble]

For the ones that can be played, I would imagine... that don't require special hardware/controls.

[warped saddle]

basically that. they're for nearly every one, but it's missing a few that are like print club stuff or whatever

it is whatever mame has in the 'software list' for ST-V

[high bramble]

Where's the Aroma Club MRA?
I want my essential oils!

[ripe valley]

I will have some things to submit to srg320 to prevent him from working on the 3DO for a while. 😏

Once more.

And I will leave for about 15 days beginning of tomorrow.

Leaving him with some homework.

[livid grotto]

Anyone else getting graphics corruption in Samurai Showdown 4?

[ripe valley]

Change your RAM cartridge on the core.

Some SNK games only work with the 1M version instead of 4MB.

That must be something of the sort.

[exotic elk]

they should have named it Samurai Shodown 1 in penance

[ripe valley]

Either it's a problem with the DRAM version, or the dump is faulty, as I've checked on my side and it works without issue on the same stage.

[livid grotto]

1mb ram cart fixed it.

[gloomy hedge]

thats missingno

[humble epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-ash-ketchum-pokeball-pokeballs-gif-5634823

[burnt matrix]

You are the best!

[ripe valley]

Some of the developers were joking elsewhere that working on the DOOM fix patch and the Shenmue fan game were in fact test cases for the core.

😁

[winter phoenix]

Technically they run with the 4MB RAM cartridge, they just have graphical glitches because they were developed before the 4MB cart came out and the programmers did something weird where the game addresses things incorrectly when used with a 4MB cart.

And yes, Samurai Shodown 4 is one of the games with graphical glitches when using a 4MB cart

Gotta use the 1MB cart instead

The other games are Real Bout Fatal Fury and The King of Fighters '96

[ripe valley]

I was more simplier for the user.

[winter phoenix]

That's fair

[ancient surge]

Rule of thumb is to use the 1MB cartridge for the SNK games and 4MB for the Capcom games.

[ripe valley]

Like you can use the 4MB cart with Metal Slug, but you will have more slowdowns too.

[winter phoenix]

Fun fact, even though Samurai Shodown 3 also came out before the 4MB cartridge, it doesn't have graphical glitches (because the devs didn't program it stupidly)

Metal Slug is OK, too

As are the ones that came out after the 4MB cart (Real Bout Fatal Fury Special and The King of Fighters '97)

[winter phoenix]

I don't think that's true. Someone tested it with a side-by-side YouTube video...

[ripe valley]

If you have any more information on this, I would be happy to see it.

As I stuck to the video comparison info from 2017 and some blog posts from that time.

[rich violet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu3igK07-BE

I just googled it

[ripe valley]

I checked some recent data: the slowdowns come from the Action Replay Plus used, not the official cartridges.
That's why I was misled when performing some tests.

Thanks for the information @winter phoenix

[naive whale]

and in perfect time for me to capture haha

Saturn Shenmue was a vibe

[ripe valley]

I must admit I'm a little bittersweet about some of the discussions and results I've had recently.
It seems that the core is missing certain parts and is generally "incomplete" for the tastes of several skilled and respectable devs on the system, or even that it takes shortcuts.

At the same time, the core seems to perform better than any software emulator for this system, from the testroms and the game catalog.

I'm leaving for at least two weeks and will see if I can do something to improve the situation in the coming months (new discussions between devs, what is lacking from their PoV).

For the end users, the core is almost complete, but in reality, it could require years of advanced refinements on several parts.

[native dagger]

That's interesting, I'd love to hear more in the future

[umbral bluff]

Am I the only one who shinobi legions won't work ?

[burnt matrix]

Probably, it’s been working great for me for a super long time

Find a different bin/cue

[wise brook]

ha

amateurs

all of ya

turn off pad 2

[umbral bluff]

Thank you very much sir that did the trick but... why ? Can you please enlighten me up

[wise brook]

it’s a bug in the game

they just never tested the console with 2 controllers plugged in with that software

In The Hunt has a similar issue

[umbral bluff]

Good to know , do you also know another similar problem with other consoles maybe ?

[wise brook]

i mean, start ape escape without an analog controller

or Saturn Grandia with 3d pad

not black screens but a similar issue

[hearty marten]

Probably cos it’s missing the Nintendo seal of quality

[wise brook]

more like dodged the pisstendo streak of brownness

[burnt matrix]

OH SHIIII I FORGOR

I even pinned it too!

You’ll need to disable the second controller port for some games, like “In the Hunt”, “Shinobi Legends/X” and “Night Striker S”; this is an issue with real hardware and not a bug with the core!

[wise brook]

but nah bro the core is inaccurate and cuts corners

[celest lake]

Poor SRG - he will never be able to give us the 3DO we deserve unless we release him from his Saturn prison

[cobalt rune]

RELEASE THE MAN FROM HIS PRISON!!

[wise brook]

https://tenor.com/view/mobile-suit-gundam-sleggar-law-mirai-noa-slap-0079gundam-gif-20884291

stop it

to everybody who wants the 3DO core to become his priority, I will find glitches, list feature requests and raise my patreon tier to smite your fmv-but-somehow-worse dreams

[lofty spire]

the people want Lucienne's Quest and Doctor Hauzer

[wise brook]

i do want lucienne’s quest

but it is already on Saturn and i mostly understand what I’m reading

[burnt matrix]

I unironically do lol

[wise brook]

play it now on your Saturn core

[lofty spire]

sword but i pronounce the w

[burnt matrix]

But I can’t read Japanese

[wise brook]

to live in a timeline where google glass took off

[wise brook]

日本語は下手か

バカばっか♡

[lofty spire]

nihongo deez

[wise brook]

ナッツ

[naive whale]

The question always is; is the end user aware? If a code replicates the experience of playing a real Saturn…it’s accurate

Beyond that if it’s some rounding error or obscure, never used call or function…where does one even draw the line?

It’s like the commenters that say “but Conker needs a patch”…and sure it does. But it’s the exact same EXPERIENCE as playing Conker without a patch

[celest lake]

and beyond that, it will be better with whatever the next platform is. can address dev shit then - it's a miracle it functions as it does right now

[naive whale]

The people I love are the touchscreen phone emulation users. Happy as a fucking clam tapping at a screen because “video games are fun”. We need more of them 🙂

Perfection is the enemy of happiness sometimes

Like I played 30 minutes of Contra today on some emu handheld I got sent for review. I certainly didn’t struggle to have fun

[celest lake]

It feels like the edge cases we are chasing at this point are cyclical. The core is in amazing shape

It's time to get our HAWKin' on

[cobalt rune]

If it plays, doesn't crash, and i'm not able to go "ok this is way off from real hardware" I'm pretty much happy

It's an all in one solution for the 8-bit thru 32 bit generations for me once the 3DO core is finished and that's all i need

[sudden tusk]

HATERS BRO! Nothing but haters!

[wise brook]

they go to MVG for their opinions

[naive whale]

Does nobody remember PC-FX exists??!

🤣

[cobalt rune]

Nothing against it. It's just not a platform I'm worried about. I'm sure it has a few gems.

For me for Mister to be that all in one device it needed to have NES, SNES, N64, GameBoy, GameBoy Advance, TG 16 and CD, Neo Geo, Game Gear, Master System, Genesis, Sega CD, PS1, 3DO.

Everything else is a bonus at that point. The MS DOS core has been a major blessing though

[hallow fossil]

We are definitely about at the point now where even the more seasoned gamer would struggle to name a system (that is doable on the DE-10 Nano) that isn't on MiSTer

[river river]

FM Towns 🥺

I guess considering ao486 that might be a stretch idk

[hallow fossil]

When we have to name obscure Japanese computers, then you know we are in a good place in terms of coverage

Would love an FM Towns Marty core that is as user friendly and stable as the CD console cores we have though

[high bramble]

CPS-2, N64, and Saturn have been amazing bonuses for me.

[burnt matrix]

The RDI Halcyon

[hallow fossil]

I am amazed you even know what that is, and I suspect you learned about it on the forum post I made

[burnt matrix]

lol no

I AM KING OF VIDEO GAMES!!!

[hallow fossil]

Wow, you have actually seen one! Albeit in a museum 🙂

[burnt matrix]

That’s from 2016

Me am knowledgeable

I should really go back, that place is awesome. I am a sucker for looking at this stuff lol.

[hallow fossil]

I have never heard of anyone actually owning one of those

[burnt matrix]

yeah, it probably doesn’t even work lol

[hallow fossil]

I do hope people figure out how to properly dump and emulate the various LD games

[burnt matrix]

When I go back to the museum you should give me a list of consoles to photograph. See how many I can get. It’ll be like Pokemon Snap except horribly nerdy.

You’re professor moondandy

[hallow fossil]

"Ah, Robby! Here is a new camera, go off and photograph these rare consoles in the wild for me. As we discussed before, I don't know who your last professor was, but I don't want another camera full of pictures of you doing muscle man poses. Consoles only please."

[burnt matrix]

lmaaaaao

[burnt matrix]

but yeah, your forum posts are awesome, I learn so much, thank you!

[hallow fossil]

I really need to update that, has been some good progress knocking things off and are some other obscure ones I could asd

[winter phoenix]

Does the MiSTer have a Casio Loopy core?

[dense sundial]

Nuon

-# /jk /?

[teal steppe]

that are my favorite piggies!

[scarlet goblet]

Nuon has four "54hz or108 Mhz" processors.

So it seems unlikely. Ngage has a 104 Mhz processor, also unlikely.

[hearty marten]

Also worth nothing that many things seem finely balanced - you make a change somewhere, and that screws up the timings and then there’s another set of regressions that needs to be fixed 😅

Which is probably where your “cyclical” comment is coming from

[exotic elk]

what's an Ardy

[waxen vortex]

Can anyone link me to instructions on how to get the STV Core to boot?

[rich violet]

#1046941029296779344 message

[cobalt rune]

So I ran update all to grab the new TMNT arcade game, now when i boot Saturn (and only Saturn) the boot.rom takes nearly 10 minutes to load, and when it finally finishes, screen stays blank. Any ideas?

[wise brook]

yeah,

access you mister storage, sort files/folders by date

have a look for any recent saturn config files

copy/backup and delete to see if the core boots again

[naive whale]

One even I’m not stupid enough to try and obtain haha

[cobalt rune]

I ended up just deleting the bios and placing a new one in there. So far so good

[ripe valley]

Update from yesterday, they tried with an old version of the core (stable one).
MVG situation. 😏
I need to discuss with srg320 for pushing a better stable version soon.
End of story.

[rich violet]

That's good news! Thanks for the update!

[wise brook]

https://tenor.com/view/idiots-idiot-no-intelligent-life-buzz-lightyear-toy-story-gif-12637964375483433713

i’m actually shocked the dev’s were so far out the loop

i’m used to yt’bers shooting from the hip with unearned confidence

[ancient surge]

I still wouldn't be surprised if there are obscure edge cases with the core we don't know about.

[ripe valley]

Most of them only work with original hardware with a Fenrir and/or a SAROO.
MiSTer systems are news for them.

[wise brook]

and software emulators

[ripe valley]

Some remain, that's why celeriyacon messaged me yesterday to check something with the newer version of croNSF.

[wise brook]

mednafen iirc is their go to

[ripe valley]

Anyway, I wanted the end of the story before I left, the core is pure srg320 code, but I've been working with all of you here to improve and find cases where things needed improvement.

Something I have personally wanted for at least 25 years in terms of preservation and have only seen equivalent so far.

Ta Ta! 👋

[wise brook]

good night sweet prince

[rich violet]

That made me think of the Princess Crown translation. I just checked on it and v1.0 was released 5 hours ago

https://github.com/eadmaster/pcrown/releases/tag/v1.0

👸 👑

I think it's only been about 6 months since this translation was first made public

Pretty cool to see it developed in the open like that

[visual grove]

You rock, so much effort for this and other cores thanks a lot

And of course Freddo and lots of others. Takes a village and all

[dense sundial]

Heart of Darkness proto requiring 48mbit dev cart, for one

not a high prio tho

[hallow fossil]

Is there a feature request issue in for supporting that dev cart? It may be it is easy to support, just tweaking one of the carts already supported

[rich violet]

No, can't see one

[hallow fossil]

Be worth someone raising, if only for visibility and documentation. It is also possible srg320 doesn't know about this dev ram cart, I certainly had never heard of it before in my reading about ram carts previously

[past forge]

https://segaxtreme.net/resources/doom-fix-v0-2-sc-music.406/

pretty cool, I've wanted the PC music in the console ports for a while

The author also did a version with the 3DO music

[thorn pagoda]

oh sick

[naive whale]

Right after I hit export this morning haha

[past forge]

lol

time to fire up the video maker again

[hazy seal]

is there a list of the ST-V mame rom names so i don't need to look at each mra individually? 🙂

[hallow fossil]

How close is S-TV from going into Main? Must be close now

[river river]

I just searched for mame st-v roms and grabbed the first link which pointed at IA

[hearty marten]

This, 100%. We’re very lucky to have you @ripe valley

[high bramble]

If you search for a fairly recent version of MAME Software List ROMs, all of the ST-V ROMs exist within a folder named stv.

[floral saddle]

@ripe valley sorry to botha ya but saw this same bug with the latest unstable main and core, could you please re-open? https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/334

[ripe valley]

Done.

I'm letting you explain your issue once more here , ~maybe something broke on the Main file since Feb.6~
I will be totally unavailable until May 2, so let see with the others and how to report to srg320 your findings.

[floral saddle]

Thank you!

[wise brook]

fixed a dumb mistake i’d caused myself

turned out i’d named my sakura wars CHD files incorrectly

yeah they had “ (Disc 1)” in the title but then they had the name of the translation team afterwards

so whenever i turned on backup memory the thing would “corrupt” on the next boot

changing the game file & save file name to have “ (Disc 1)” at the end fixed everything

[native dagger]

Congrats on the latest build! MVG would've been savage if the undocumented mirror addresses for WDT weren't handled

[wise brook]

💯 facts

[high bramble]

Whew! Crisis averted!

Now it's only mostly impossible.

[green basin]

New builds!

It fix any games?

[burnt matrix]

every game

[hearty marten]

You don’t get to decide that

[native dagger]

Pretty embarrassing for VGE to say the core looked and felt perfect to him when the undocumented mirror addresses for WDT weren't even done LMAO

[burnt matrix]

lol what a nooblet

[ancient surge]

It fixes everything, and nothing.

[hearty marten]

This is HUGE

🖱️ 🪤

[celest lake]

is it finally accurate?

[burnt matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/pirates-yesbutno-gif-1502181837354549727

[celest lake]

goddamnit, we will never get a 3DO core :/

[wise brook]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

not with that outlook

[burnt matrix]

HAW HAW HAW

I still haven’t pulled my trap my card either

That’s for when things get desperate

[warped saddle]

just finish your 3DO core before srg320 does his

[celest lake]

Vibe codin'

[pearl harbor]

Saturnday on Saturday is always

[muted cradle]

What is that? An undocumted address for "WDT"?

Another case for the watchdog timer to reboot the system?

[reef estuary]

I thought Saturnday was on Thursday

[winter phoenix]

Every day can be Saturnday if you believe it in your heart

[winter phoenix]

Yeah I wonder what WDT stands for

[burnt matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/segata-sanshiro-nod-yes-gif-5612081

[high bramble]

Beat me to it...

[high bramble]

Not sure what it stands for, but according to the data sheet, it's a timer.

Ah... I think it stands for 'watchdog timer'.

[naive whale]

How could I have forgotten (looks into it)….absolutely NOTHING 🤣

It won’t be accurate until Srg implements the “smells like old Japanese smokes” function where when the Saturn warms up it smells like stale butts

If we don’t have that just delete the repo because shits amateur hour

[river wing]

I don't know what you did with Saturn, but I am pretty sure mine didn't smell in any funny way...

[naive whale]

I have a few Japanese console that smell like old cigs still

[clear condor]

The smell is like the controllers: you have to bring that part yourself

[stone sky]

A while ago I read about this on some forum about importing from Japan, the smell of cigarettes on imported consoles, I thought it was a myth, but from your comment it isn't.

[naive whale]

No def not a myth

You get one now and again that smells like cigs

[stone sky]

When I bought my SNES 1chip it came with the smell of tutti-frutti gum

[naive whale]

When I bought one of my hyper Neo geo boards the wiring harness, which had been stored separately, was covered in roach shit. But I needed to continuity check it for a jamma conversion nobody had ever done 🤣

So tutti frutti sounds way better

[burnt matrix]

wow look at awbacon aura farming over here

[stone sky]

Definitely better, I've already taken consoles from friends to clean full of dead ants, the smell is bad too, some ants in Brazil smell strong when dead

[warped saddle]

Robby heard some kids say 'aura farming' and he can't stop saying it now

[naive whale]

roach feces is no prize either. Took two bottles of degreaser and a metric shit ton of gloves

[umbral bluff]

Don't know why but even though I replace the ST-V.rbf in the /media/fat/_Arcade/cores directory sound for batman forever arcade won't work

[small ore]

Make sure you grab the latest MRA files, you can find links in the pins

[umbral bluff]

Indeed problem was I didn't run update_stv script so the MRA files didn't update now is working thank you sir

[green jacinth]

Between the update stv and the update all now including unstable nightlies

I feel like I'm eating real good these days

F'ing spoiled tbh

And I love it

[serene thunder]

[forest heart]

has anyone had any success converting some of the common save backups for saturn for use on mister? i have had zero luck

[wise brook]

have you used any tools from the github issue tracker someone linked?

i was actually looking at this stuff yesterday

give me a second for a link

[forest heart]

so far ive only used saturn save convereter and the savefileconverter website

sweet thank you

[wise brook]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/283

here it is, some resources

[forest heart]

awesome thank you

[forest heart]

worked when i used the bup files i found around the web to use the emulator extractor function first, then taking the resulting bkr file and running it through the mister converter

a pain but it works so far lol

[winter phoenix]

After several "release candidates," eadmaster has declared his latest English translation patch for Saturn action RPG Princess Crown to be a fully fledged version 1.0! Get the details in my story:

https://www.segasaturnshiro.com/2025/04/20/eadmaster-declares-princess-crown-translation-release-worthy/

[naive whale]

Couldn’t happen to a better game

[native dagger]

Time to make a release(for real) video

[naive whale]

Hah I don’t think another vid will be worth it. The diff between the version I showed and this is apparently two capitalizations and a couple punctuations

[native dagger]

I think you could stretch that into a ten minute video with a soundtrack sample 🙂

[naive whale]

Haha too close together. There’s a finite amount I can talk about any one thing without X amount of days elapsed between the two

I’ll throw a mention into MiSTer monthly news Thursday

Happy Saturn Easter 🤣

[wise brook]

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-gosling-ew-nasty-shades-on-looking-gif-15536627

[frail token]

when, in fact, it does? I messaged him on Twitter telling him about that mistake but I think he's too busy to have read it lol

Where do I find the option to overclock the SDRAM for single stick?

[celest lake]

I'm not in front of my mister but I think it's called "fast timings"

[burnt matrix]

Yes fast timings and only with single sdram core

[frail token]

Awesome thanks guys

Was playing some Guardian Heroes last night

[celest lake]

Remember the wise words of SRG DO NOT OVERUSE THIS

what happens if you overuse it?

we don't know

but we also don't want to find out

[small ore]

The 3DO core is delayed another day, every single time someone overuses it.

[frail token]

Oh I remember

I'm gonna overuse TF out of it what's he gonna do?

[celest lake]

I’m calling the police

[naive whale]

Meanwhile I forget a link and people leave comments like I just started a genocide 🤣

[frail token]

But Link is the protagonist of the series he's pretty important

[naive whale]

Everyone knows the star is the Deku scrub. Unsung hero

[celest lake]

No his name is zelda

[gloomy hedge]

the star of all zelda games is || tingle || and I dont wanna hear it

[exotic elk]

Cho alinki

[frail token]

Dumb question here- I’m playing Sonic 1 in Sonic Jam and the ring sound is weirdly muted. Is that just something from the original hardware?

[dense sundial]

Yeah it's a low quality PCM

https://youtu.be/Gnffccj8c38?t=6m31s

Timestamp for relevant sound effects off actual hardware

[frail token]

That’s fine I don’t plan on playing it that way lol

Just making sure for the sake of the core

[marble laurel]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer/pull/983

[ocean burrow]

question, does srg320 have a discord? trying to contact them outside of github

[warped saddle]

no

at least not that he's made public

[ember terrace]

Hi Guys, is there a trick to using misterddons snax v2.1 saturn adapters? I have snax 2.1 plugged in, with a sega stunner in one and a controller in another. I'm using the unstable nightly core. And it doesn't work, the stunner start button works, but no trigger pull, and the controller doesn't work at all. I'v tried everything I can think of, restarting the MiSTer, unplugging and replugging into the snac port, clicking switch game pads in the OSD. nothing sees to work. The crappy hing is, everything worked fine a week ago. this seems to be how snac is, it's very hit and miss. thank you for any help.

[wise brook]

haaaaave you asked this on his discord?

did you turn on snac?

[burnt matrix]

Sakura Wars 2 this Friday

[ember terrace]

snac is on. dooes he have a discord?

[inner token]

if stunner worked before, I would guess it's a connection problem between it and saturn adapter. maybe try plugging it in all the way and then pull out a 1mm or 2. The saturn connector can be finnicky. But you should only have 1 saturn thing plugged in at a time in left port.

[wise brook]

https://tenor.com/view/sakura-wars-orihime-soletta-sakura-taisen-sakura-wars-2-gif-4097681463610553310

[ember terrace]

thank you

[ember terrace]

thanks, i'll try that. I can two plugged in total right? the snax 2.1 has two ports

[wise brook]

the core does not support two player snac

addons has that written on the page you bought from

[inner token]

saturn and genesis only support 1 port. and that will be the left one of snax

[visual grove]

Sega dont what nintendoes

[inner token]

other systems use the 2nd port(right). nes,snes,psx,n64

[ember terrace]

ok, i saw this and thought it had 1p to 4p support.

[wise brook]

Even that’s not accurate because the Saturn multi tap provides six players

[ember terrace]

ok, thanks all

[frail token]

Wow, looking at the github issues, there aren't many left

[wise brook]

facts

[sturdy gorge]

I asked about this in another channel and was directed here with the recommendation that I share the save file. I completed Deep Fear today, but maybe after the first ending FMV, the next didn't load and I got kicked back to the Saturn menu. I watched it on YouTube, and I haven't had a chance to try to replicate the problem. I was also pretty dejected and didn't really feel like redoing the end. I don't want to clearly describe anything here so that I don't spoil anything. The file is a CHD file. If anybody can help me out, that'd be great.

[native dagger]

How easy is it to reach the ending from your save?

[sturdy gorge]

I think it's about ten minutes of play and you might have to shoot or avoid a few enemies. I'm about to try it again now myself.

I just realized that you’ll need to have it set to backup cartridge to access the most recent save, #65.

[sturdy gorge]

I’m working on making it easier and I’ll reup. I’m posting a video soon too to show the walkthrough and the crash.

Updated save so there's no combat, and you might not need the backup cart.

The video came out pretty bad, but it's still clear with the crash at the end. https://youtu.be/CzCZnbBCxK0?si=MPtEvsp_V5ZL4VpB&t=230

[visual grove]

Yay, was worried with the talk of the issue list getting light srg320 would start wasting more of his life on 3DO

[sturdy gorge]

It might just be an issue with the US version, which never got a retail release. It played fine all the way until that point, though. I just got the JP version and renamed the save to see it through to the end without issue. Maybe the EU version will work just fine too.

[celest lake]

I’ll check the us version in a little bit

[celest lake]

Is this disc 1 or disc 2?

[wise brook]

https://tenor.com/view/cheers-glass-pipe-meth-ice-crack-gif-14433275

[sturdy gorge]

Disc 2. It’s the final cutscene of the game that craps out for me.

[celest lake]

got it

[celest lake]

so when I walk into the clean freezer, the monster is sitting on the floor and I can walk around - no cutscene triggers. What am I doing wrong>?

[sturdy gorge]

Did you start the countdown? Check the video to see the sequence leading up to the end. Sorry it’s not good quality. I had to MacGyver it and I didn’t set it up too well.

[celest lake]

ahh sorry, the timestamp just showed the end so I thought I could just walk in

whole thing plays here. Sounds like maybe your image is bad

creepy ass monkey

I'm gonna need some context as to why we are drowning that monkey

I get the monkey was creepy, but so are polydactyl cats. I don't want ot drown them though

oh good, the bulldog survived (spoilers)

[wise brook]

is this for? Die Hard Arcade fox logo?

[celest lake]

I think that needed a main fix, yeah?

[wise brook]

potentially?
I never saw any further discussion after the initial post. and previously SRG himself would post a main fix himself

so maybe sorg took the lead on this one?

i’d ask kuba or Zet but i don’t wanna risk disturbing them

[celest lake]

SRG was working on PCE fixes so he probably just added this because he didn't want to do two PRs into main

[wise brook]

Might be an update to fix your issue just dropped

[celest lake]

checking now

no, still there

[rich violet]

It's these

[wise brook]

wait so, the regression on silvergun is fixed again?

[rich violet]

Should be with the latest main

[floral saddle]

Thanks will check that later, need this issue reopening too when zet is back.... https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/294

[sturdy gorge]

Thanks for checking that out. I got that file from the Megathread listings, but that’s where I got the JP version to try also, and that worked just fine.

[celest lake]

I’m using a redump bin and cue. Not sure what the megathread uses, but if it’s a chd, it may have been created incorrectly

[sturdy gorge]

That’s good to know. I might start to go for BIN CUE instead going forward. Panzer Dragoon Saga is gonna take a lot of space, but I’d rather just have it work correctly. Thanks again!

[warped saddle]

it's not the chd

the megathread one works fine for me too

[green jacinth]

have a quick question,. i have two mister setups that i swap an sd card bewtween. one is single ram the other is dual

i keep stv updated thru stv update and update all

but heres something i dont quite understand

before when i was updating stv manually, i would just use either the single or dual ram version depending on what i needed at the moment

now that everything is being pulled down automatically, im not sure if my dual ram build is still using single ram stv

or not

how can i confirm?

[warped saddle]

there's no way for it to auto switch, the MRA references 'ST-V' and that will search for that core in the arcade cores directory

[burnt matrix]

Two ways. First see if the core launches at all. If you’re on single ram and it doesn’t then it’s the dual ram version. If the core works and you’re using either your single or dual ram setup, see if it has the Fast Timings option. If it does then it’s the single ram core.

[green jacinth]

okay good call

just checked and its fast timings

which means its auto launching the single ram version

[burnt matrix]

Correct

Make sure you don’t have multiple versions of the cores too

[green jacinth]

i guess i gotta manually set it to the dual ram version when im running on my dual mister

im looking in my /media/fat/_Arcade/cores/ folder

[burnt matrix]

Might be easier to just manually download? I think the script is great but it’s easier for me to manually grab it.

[green jacinth]

am i mistaken, is this folder pointing to a shortcut to the stv rbf thats located elsewhere?

[burnt matrix]

No, that’s the correct folder for arcade cores

[green jacinth]

okay

threw me off, my fxp program looked like the stv rbf was a shortcut. been a while since manually added. looks like im all sorted out now tho

thx for the help

[warped saddle]

if you're using the script it probably IS a shortcut

I think they symlink it to the ST-V core downloaded in the _Unstable folder

so you could just switch that

[burnt matrix]

Ohhhhh

[celest lake]

It is a symlink. trixie linuxes

[green jacinth]

I had a feeling but I'm also consistently confused and easily turned around

[burnt matrix]

I just rename all the unstable cores to the latest stable core name and replace them. That way I don’t have multiple cores and update_all doesn’t try to redownload the latest stable.

[sturdy gorge]

Damn… Same USA Unl one? I wonder what would make it bad on mine if so.

[winter phoenix]

I need him to make a Casio Loopy core. He could probably bang that out in an afternoon

[brisk ridge]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/383#issuecomment-2821427743

[celest lake]

oh boooooy

[warped saddle]

I'll reply in a bit

[celest lake]

oh shit, I thought that was a commit

[upper dust]

I'll just take a picture of the screen with my digital camera for my high scores

[exotic elk]

a commit not implementing save data?

[high bramble]

If it doesn't get merged, we won't not have it... and we wouldn't not want that, wouldn't we?

[cunning citrus]

Can you change the name from Legends to Legions? The name of the game is Shinobi Legions.

[exotic elk]

oh no, he did it this time

[winter phoenix]

Shinobi Lagoons

[high bramble]

Shinobi Legumes

[wise brook]

Shinobi Ligma

[ruby rampart]

Shinobi Ragoon

[high bramble]

Perfect. 😄

[winter phoenix]

Amazing

[celest lake]

👀 https://www.timeextension.com/news/2025/04/dark-seeds-japan-exclusive-sega-saturn-port-is-finally-available-in-english-thanks-to-fans

[burnt matrix]

yah, the game is teeny tiny lol

[wise brook]

saw a review of the dos game a week or so ago

it’s alright

[neon python]

Ah, excellent. Mike Dawson can be an idiot on Saturn, too!

[cobalt rune]

More fan translations the better!

[wise brook]

give a man a fan translation he’ll eat good for a time

get that man to read japanese and he’ll eat good for life

[humble epoch]

get that man Google translate and life he’ll good eat for.

[wise brook]

give google a man and he’ll eat

[exotic elk]

if the game is Japanese

[cobalt rune]

I've used Google translate. I used the A.I. translate on RetroArch to complete Belzerion on 3DO and it worked well with few mistakes

[green ermine]

Since the latest ST-V update i can't start any game. The button mapping is done but example the coin button is wrongly labeled to the test or service button. And the there is not a working START button.

Has anyone also have this issue? How can i solve this?

[river river]

Sounds like you need to update the MRAs

#1046941029296779344 message

[green ermine]

Thank You

[ripe valley]

Done.

I can't test on my side until at least 2 weeks.

Could you explain your issue you are having at the moment on the issue page, thanks.

Thanks.

[floral saddle]

I tested the latest unstable main last night and the problem no longer occurs which is great, sorry I hadn't got round to letting you know, the ticket can be closed.

[tall radish]

Aynone having issues with the buttons on the STV core?

[wise brook]

not since i followed the pinned instructions

[celest lake]

👀

[grave juniper]

Morning all, can cheat codes be manually added yet for saturn or still a no go?

[wise brook]

what a pleasant suprise

high scoring is a go?

STV for Game Challenge?

[burnt matrix]

@prisma wraith this is a great idea

[wise brook]

i’d recommend Decathlete or Winter Heat

seems very appropriate

[burnt matrix]

Pins updated with latest builds and main

[winter phoenix]

I finally wrote a story about this despite knowing about it since last weekend 🤡 https://www.segasaturnshiro.com/2025/04/24/english-patch-for-dark-seed-is-available-now/

the developer is going to release an update later today, BTW

[warped saddle]

https://github.com/zakk4223/STV-MRA/releases/tag/release11

[hallow fossil]

There much left to be fixed for S-TV before it can go live?

[warped saddle]

probably not. maybe rotate

[pearl harbor]

Rotate would be great for Shienryu.

[rich violet]

There's a feature request for it here: https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/148

[drifting crown]

Quick one for the hive: does update all find stv data or do I need to dig my entire set of stv carts out the wardrobe and dump them manually?

[high bramble]

They need to be manually obtained. A recent MAME Software List ROMs set is perfect. They are located in a subfolder called stv.

[drifting crown]

I’ll make sure my dumps match the mame lists

[sudden tusk]

When’s PP Ram gonna be implemented ?

[cursive tree]

STV Batman volume option adjustment do not save using today’s update.

[high bramble]

Did you update your MRAs?

#1046941029296779344 message

The updated MRAs contain the necessary nvram information.

[mint sparrow]

I guess i also asked....some weeks ago. Would be great if the core gets updated to let people know if the MRA are updated as well and needed to exchange.👍

[cobalt rune]

I just make sure to run the update stv script each time there's a new STV core to be sure everything is up to date

[celest lake]

SRG doesn't make the MRA's, Zakk does. Just assume that you're going to need to update after every release. Or you can use Dave's excellent script to stay up to date

https://github.com/davewongillies/MISTer-update_stv

[cursive tree]

Thank you!

[tribal burrow]

Question but do MRAs contain copywrited content or are they clean for those of us who are careful about that stuff?

[warped saddle]

they don't

they just tell the system how to assemble self-provided mame roms

[tribal burrow]

Thank you

[winter phoenix]

Is that what MRA stands for? MAME ROM Assembler?

[burnt matrix]

Man, Robby is Awesome

[exotic elk]

naturally referring to Hr. Robert Peip

[mint sparrow]

STV Terra Driver is such a banger Game

Running super flaweless

[muted cradle]

Terra Diver

[wise brook]

https://tenor.com/view/fuzzolance-ambulance-drive-gosling-gif-8487904973116878780

[high bramble]

Like a glove...

[prisma wraith]

This was recommended in the #game-challenge channel around the time STV support first started, and definitely coming up for future challenges. Thanks for the recommendations on Decathlete and Winter Heat, added to the list!

[warped saddle]

make everyone play radiant silvergun

[wise brook]

now that’s a game that separates the wheat from the chaff

[warped saddle]

or steep slope sliders, that's an acceptable substitute

[upper dust]

I can do the mental gymnastics to turn Steep Slope Sliders into a Cave shooter that rivals Radiant Silvergun

[frail token]

I tried Radiant Silvergun the other day it seemed cool but I suck at bullet hell

[warped saddle]

there is someone that streams sword only radiant silvergun and his controller is an arcade stick with one big LED button

[pearl harbor]

Radiant Silvergun is awesome, but keep in mind that it's also a very long game for a shmup. Which could lead to some fatigue for a game challenge in my opinion.

[warped saddle]

for a game challenge the length is one credit, so only like 3 people are going to burn out on the game length

but really I'm just in it to torture people

[gloomy hedge]

I'm not even that bad at bullet hell, but thats not the game you're playing in RSG

you're playing " chain red to power up weapons or die "

its a shmup rpg

dodging is fun and not so bad but chaining and routing sword and shit, tahts where it falls apart

if youre ALSO no good at bullet hell, the game would be a nightmare

[frail token]

Chain red?

[frail token]

That explains it

[gloomy hedge]

you can chain any color

and there are secret chains

but red is the most common color in MOST stages

[frail token]

I don't even know what you mean

[gloomy hedge]

so you want to hit ONLY red enemies

[frail token]

What colors

[gloomy hedge]

oh yeah RSG is not colorblind friendly sorry

[frail token]

What

[gloomy hedge]

should have mentioned that

[frail token]

I have to only hit colors?

This sounds worse by the second

[gloomy hedge]

yeah first you'll need to be able to see color

[frail token]

I can

[gloomy hedge]

thats a good start

now you have to only hit one color and the value of each subsequent enemy will go up in points and also those points contirbute to the XP of the weapon you kill them with

[frail token]

What's a good shooter for a lame-o like me

[gloomy hedge]

there are 3 weapons, and there are combination weapons making a total of 7

[gloomy hedge]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MZz8Q_8HdGyh2QU9BX4lNgyVAP9JZxxuy_YYbOLf1CM/edit?gid=0#gid=0 gotchu bro

[frail token]

Yeah I figured that out but they're all bound to buttons

So that's easy

[gloomy hedge]

yeah so the weapon XP gets split if its a multi

but basically you want to power up the weapons by doing the chaining

to have a chance to play the video game or you can just perish

if you dont, lets say you dont chain

you'll be walking into bars with a tooth pick picking a fight with gunslingers

which sounds fun, its not

[rich violet]

Shienryu is great

[frail token]

Where are dragon spirit and lords of thunder on this list

Aka the only two shmups I've beaten without cheats lol

[gloomy hedge]

LoT I think we determined was just over the hump but its pretty chill if you know what to do

Dragon spirit is memo nonsense, a beginner would get crushed by that

god I hate namco shmups so much

[frail token]

Memo? Huh?

[gloomy hedge]

memorization

[frail token]

I can beat it so I would consider it pretty easy

[gloomy hedge]

vs just playing with skill

[frail token]

Oh I can't memorize shit

[gloomy hedge]

I cant because its too hard

[frail token]

It's all skill all the time

[gloomy hedge]

are you saying 1CC?

[frail token]

I don't know what that means

[gloomy hedge]

dont worry about it lol

[frail token]

I just know I can beat it and I suck

And I can't memorize stuff in games

I beat Lords of Thunder weirdly fast

[gloomy hedge]

how many credits do you need to beat it

[frail token]

I am talking about the NES port specifically so zero since it doesn't take coins?

[gloomy hedge]

yeah there's about 4 thousand versions of that game

[frail token]

Yeah

[gloomy hedge]

nah I cant do it, too much memorization, hitbox way too big, game too hard

I'd rather play something easy like dodonpachi 😛

[frail token]

I don't like the arcade or TG16 versions

[gloomy hedge]

makes sense

ive heard NES is the easier one

I beat it with save states once and felt it wasnt very fun

[frail token]

I suck at that but at least I can pump quarters in on arcade

I love it

The tg16 I don't like the graphics and sound lol

Or the power ups

[gloomy hedge]

the saturn level of DDP is absolutely hilarious

[frail token]

I really love Lightening Force but I can only beat it with the 99 lives glitch

[gloomy hedge]

I wa very fortunate to go to a friends arcade recently and I was able to 1CC the first loop of Dodonpachi

[frail token]

Awesome

[gloomy hedge]

first and only 1cc on a real arcade pcb

this I can do, but dragon spirit, nah im good

[frail token]

I wish I was better at games 😆

[gloomy hedge]

you are, you're better than me at dragon spirit

[frail token]

NES one I feel is pretty easy but maybe I'm crazy

[gloomy hedge]

its probably not too bad tbh

[frail token]

I had Gradius but never beat it

[gloomy hedge]

its been ages since I tried it

[frail token]

I just love the soundtrack and gameplay

[gloomy hedge]

you can beat NES Gradius if you try, you just have to learn the route

[frail token]

Hmm possibly

[gloomy hedge]

I have a clear on my channel if you want to see a hilarious one

dont want to keep spamming my own non-saturn shit here in saturnland lol

😉

[frail token]

True

I need to get into some Saturn games

I messed with Guardian Heroes for a bit I need to learn that one better

I accidentally deleted my save but didn't get far lol

[wise brook]

https://bskyx.app/profile/mattobii.bsky.social/post/3lno7whwxb22y

https://tenor.com/view/sakura-wars-sakura-taisen-salute-sega-sakura-gif-26204963

it’s live go play

[burnt matrix]

What did I tell y’all. 😉

[tribal burrow]

It’s out! 🌸🌸🌸

[burnt matrix]

I wonder what anime lady will tell me to pick up some random object she throws on the ground in the sequel.

[patent ingot]

I know who owns this cab! @psykomantis!! Those wood panel walls and Taito Vewlix CP are giveaways 😁

[winter phoenix]

https://www.segasaturnshiro.com/2025/04/25/sakura-wars-2-fan-translation-is-out-now/

Sorry I didn’t post that sooner, I was busy doing the live show…

[gloomy hedge]

That is indeed whose house I was at!

💪🏾

Amazing eye

[burnt matrix]

OH GOD

What is wrong with her, is she going to kill me

OGAMI SAN

OOOOOOGAMI SAN

[lofty spire]

i hope she kills me 🙂

[thorn pagoda]

is that from sakura wars 2?

[wise brook]

yes

[burnt matrix]

Why she got a teddy bear

[thorn pagoda]

what genre is that?

[burnt matrix]

What’s wrong with her voice

[burnt matrix]

The OGAMI SAN genre

Because that’s like 90% of what’s said

[wise brook]

dramatic adventure

[thorn pagoda]

has the translation got voice acting?

[wise brook]

no fan dub

[burnt matrix]

everyone in this game is suffering from rosacea

It just flares up randomly, poor anime people

NO I CHOSE THE WRONG OPTION

[thorn pagoda]

you need to get some cream to put on your crt for that

[ancient surge]

This isn't the Nintendo 64

[burnt matrix]

How do I poop on her desk or something so she’ll hate me

I chose the wrong option because the game went “BEEP BEEP BEEP” and I got startled

clearly this lady is crazy

[thorn pagoda]

robby has a limit?

[burnt matrix]

LOLOL my dude gave zero shits

Yeah yeah, whatever”

[ancient surge]

Yeah the LIPS system is something you'll need to get used to.

[burnt matrix]

lol it prompted me to choose and o only had one option

[ancient surge]

Sometimes it can be cryptic too. Like the "right" choice on rare occasions is to not answer at all, and of course the games never hint at it.

[burnt matrix]

FAT BABIES HERE TOO

[ancient surge]

Robby's favorite!

[burnt matrix]

Why they gotta make me a toddler with a fade

LOL YEAH RIGHT HR

game is trying to get me fired day one

lol I’m a toddler with a fade

LOL WHAT

Should I do it

[wise brook]

click robbie

click

[burnt matrix]

WHAT

LMAO what is this game maaaaaaan

LMAO

GOT CAUGHT

lmao holy shit

I had to choose an option in like 1/4th of a second

But I did it

She bought my excuse

I can slap her?

[wise brook]

ahhh. love, romance and a bit of lewdness, a concept utterly foreign to western game development which is about gunning down endless flesh hoards with the biggest bullets with as much ray tracing as possible

[burnt matrix]

Hell yeah!

also this dude hits on like anything with a heartbeat

ok that was fun, I thought I was going to play a strategy game

[visual grove]

Robby just caught his reflection in the tv

[wise brook]

both!

[burnt matrix]

But this is just a reaction speed test game

it’s a good one, I got startled a few times

[visual grove]

She’s got that “I’m a toilet-bound figurine on Robby’s shelf” look in her eyes

[burnt matrix]

LMAO

I don’t remember it at all

Other than the subject matter and Parish’ obsession with it

and my UTTER DISBELEIF

and the IGN guys and Kohler’s quiet acceptance of it all LOL

But this game is way better than the first one

No one dropped a spoon and told me to pick it up

Hell naw game, I shut it off then and there

[visual grove]

Tsundere

[wise brook]

i don’t know man, i see a pretty girl try play me like that and think

https://tenor.com/view/how-i-met-your-mother-himym-barney-stinson-neil-patrick-harris-challenge-accepted-gif-4594551

[burnt matrix]

I thought the gif was funny not your reaction

[wise brook]

https://tenor.com/view/will-be-mine-oh-yes-she-will-be-mine-wayne-gif-14868699

[burnt matrix]

well, I lost the challenge lol

Ok real talk, when is the SRPG stuff happen

[upper dust]

That IS the strategy part playa

[wise brook]

for the 1st chapter i dare say it’ll be the final section

after setting the stage so to say

[exotic elk]

wtf

[hearty marten]

Is Robby hitting on anime women again?

What would your WIFE think, you animal?!

||The second game being patched gives me an incentive to finish the first game||

[drowsy hull]

what are you doing with poor innocent robby...

[wise brook]

https://tenor.com/view/gentlemen-team-fortress2-tf2-meet-the-spy-gif-20195146

cherry blossom wars the second?

[serene thunder]

you can play the saturn version and carry over weapon power from saved game. it's good for getting noobs into the game

[gloomy hedge]

Nah we good I don't play euro shmups bro

Perma upgrades? Nah

[winter phoenix]

lady? she's 11

[burnt matrix]

Yeah, I didn’t know until she mentioned it and I was like wtf game

I thought she was some mentally ill lady

[winter phoenix]

It took me almost an hour and a half to get to the start of the first mission when I was playing it yesterday

Did you play the first SW, Robby?

[burnt matrix]

No, I stopped playing when some lady dropped a spoon and told me to pick it up.

[winter phoenix]

Robby pls that was five minutes into it

also that was Sumire who dropped that spoon and you absolutely should have done everything she asked

[burnt matrix]

Yeah well, I’m not picking up spoons people drop on purpose. I’m not the butler!

[burnt matrix]

What why

[winter phoenix]

because she's best girl, that's why

[burnt matrix]

Damn, sounds like she can pick up her OWN spoons

[winter phoenix]

if Sumire steps on you, you thank her for the privilege

[burnt matrix]

LOL helllllllllllllllll no

[winter phoenix]

hahaha

Anyway, Iris was in the first game, too, when she was 9. She was just as obnoxious if not moreso

[burnt matrix]

She got the crazy eyes

Also everyone in the game has rosacea

[winter phoenix]

don't shame them for their diseases

[burnt matrix]

Ok you’re right I’m sorry

[pearl harbor]

I dropped my game controller Robby. Pick it up.

[exotic elk]

well all know he's the butler

[pearl harbor]

He's just Mr. Belvedere.

[visual grove]

Spoons on the floor
Never mattered before
Who cared

[exotic elk]

he played Koopa on ice once

according to random wikipedia user

[forest heart]

that was one of the first videos i remember downloading off the internet and my friends and i made fun of it for years

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fuuhn2cfVUE

jumpscare bateman and alyssa milano

i always got mr belvedere mixed up with mr pheeny

[visual grove]

Holy shit that’s amazing

[forest heart]

i know

ive thought about it for 25 years

HA HA OH YES

dont mess arrrround with me

[visual grove]

Luigi with his signature gun exploding his enemies even then

[forest heart]

as a teenager i absolutely decimated it but in my elderly years i imagine it must have been fun to make

anyways ill stay on topic lol

or will i?

[pearl harbor]

I remember this from back in the day. 👴

[forest heart]

unwraps werthers original

[serene thunder]

i didn't mean YOU, more for the mudbloods

[pearl harbor]

tunes into Matlock

[gloomy hedge]

Give them a better game 😂

[green jacinth]

Sakura 2 has made this channel just a bit extra weird

Ride or die tho

https://tenor.com/view/fast-and-furious-vin-diesel-ride-or-die-walker-gif-7943830

I think we need to get back to our roots

Fat babies

[thorn turtle]

I have the ST-V_DualSDRAM_unstable_20250424_135631.rbf core, but when I open it, I cant choose a game to load

How can I open STV games with this core?

[burnt matrix]

I gotchu

@thorn turtle

[thorn turtle]

You rock homie

[burnt matrix]

It’s pinned in this channel too if you need to reference it again.

[thorn turtle]

The Saturn core lets you pick the game, but ST-V doesn't. I appreciate it!

[upper dust]

You pick the STV games in the Arcade directory

[wise brook]

treat STV like any other arcade, which you select via the MRAs

[thorn turtle]

Right! But what dictates which core to use to load them?

[burnt matrix]

The MRA file itself

You can open it in notepad or any other text editor to see what it’s doing

[thorn turtle]

ok let me do that

[burnt matrix]

MRA files are basically like a script. It sets everything up to play an arcade game and configures things so the hardware runs correctly.

Console cores do not require that because games don’t modify the hardware in unique ways. They’re software that just run.

[thorn turtle]

<rbf>ST-V</rbf> is this it?

[wise brook]

have you utilized the script to download the STV MRA files?

[thorn turtle]

i'm using get_unstable_builds.sh

and it puts them in an _Unstable folder

[river river]

Use this https://github.com/davewongillies/MISTer-update_stv

It downloads the MRAs for you and sets up the core file for you

[thorn turtle]

oh shit nice!

so let me ask you guys this...

Die Hard Arcade (UET 960515 V1.000).mra

when i open it in notepad, it says

<rbf>ST-V</rbf>

But in my cores folder, I don't have ST-V.rbf

so how does it open?

[river river]

Have you used the script I linked to?

[thorn turtle]

no, not yet

[river river]

Or read the instructions Robby linked?

They both handle that for you

[thorn turtle]

Ok thanks, I will do that now

[pearl harbor]

Basically if you were to do it manually, you would download the STV core here: #unstable-nightlies message

And then rename that to "ST-V.rbf" and place that into the Arcade cores folder. The mra files would load that core then.

[thorn turtle]

Thanks @pearl harbor

[pearl harbor]

The scripts are nice to automating that process, but it's nice to understand how it works sometimes too. I personally like to manually install it when it's updated for that reason. Just a personal thing though.

[thorn turtle]

My question since i'm trying to learn is:

Die Hard Arcade (UET 960515 V1.000).mra
when i open it in notepad, it says
<rbf>ST-V</rbf>

But in Arcade > Cores I have

Saturn_STV_20250424.rbf & ST-V_DualSDRAM_unstable_20250424_135631.rbf

So which one is it using?

Currently.

[river river]

The second one

[pearl harbor]

Depends on if you have a dual ram build.

[river river]

It'll pick ST-V_DualSDRAM

[pearl harbor]

If you don't have a dual ram MiSTer, then don't use the dualSDRAM unstable.

[thorn turtle]

I do. Does it know?

[river river]

No

[pearl harbor]

If you do, then rename the dual ram rbf to "ST-V.rbf"

[river river]

He doesn't have to do that

[pearl harbor]

Ah

[thorn turtle]

I mean, when the game is loaded I can just hit F12 and go to about to see the core that is loaded right?

[pearl harbor]

I've always just grabbed the dual ram build myself since I also have a dual ram setup.

[river river]

It'll match the ST-V at the start of the filename

[river river]

I won't load the Saturn-STV file because it's name doesn't contain ST-V

[thorn turtle]

Ok so <rbf>ST-V</rbf> means it can "contain" ST-V

[river river]

Yes

[thorn turtle]

but it doesnt necessarily need to be ST-V.rbf

[river river]

Yeah

[thorn turtle]

Ok I get it now...

[high bramble]

It needs to contain ST-V at the beginning of the file name.
It won't load Saturn-STV because Saturn precedes it.

[zealous karma]

I guess we can still use update_STV.sh to get the mra´s to work right?

everytime i run update_all my STV arcade games stop working and I have to run the update_STV script to get it working again

[topaz mica]

I use that script too

[upper dust]

the update_STV script also creates a new pointer (sym link) to the core when it gets updated

The sym link lives in the Arcade folder, while the core it points to is in Unstable

[zealous karma]

thanks that makes sense why we need to run the script. My follow-up question would be if that could be added to update_all so we dont need a separate script everytime

[river river]

I think the answer might be that once the core is no longer in active development/becomes stable (hopefully) the script won't be needed and there will be another solution that's baked into update_all

[celest lake]

yeah, update all will likely put the stv core in /_Arcade/cores, and the MRAs will be part of the mister respository

[burnt matrix]

Can just so it manually by following the instructions in the pins. That’s what I do, I don’t got no skreeptz

[celest lake]

weird stance for the "let me run scripts from anywhere" guy

[green pebble]

I think this is indeed the answer, but isn't the core stable now? I mean, how may problems remain at this point?

[celest lake]

we have definitely entered the "fix something break something else" phase. But it is up to SRG to decide when it's "done"

[wise brook]

last update means there’s only one known visual glitch for dual sdram users left

the biometal title screen

besides that just a couple of feature requests really ought to be added.

and analog triggers on main

[tacit viper]

Nothing to add other than my love for SRG