Sega Saturn

[gloomy hedge]

Yeah I'm sure that's plenty

[burnt matrix]

If his back seats fold down then you’re more than covered.

[serene thunder]

Or just remove the seats

[gloomy hedge]

no no dont remove that seat

thats robby

look at the guns on this guy

he'll help you get that cab in there

[drowsy hull]

Someone paid bringing their own large transport vehicle where it can stand straight up and just be rolled in anf out.

[burnt matrix]

I would actually help anyone here with that if they lived close enough

[wise brook]

im going crazy

this can’t be

@ripe valley

i was looking at footage of Dazaemon 2 and spotted the sprite tile in one video, but not another

seeing more with than without btw

wild that the 1st result was missing

looks like that was ran on an emulator

[ripe valley]

It is an emulator.

Majorly, WoL uses some emulation footage when people are using them, there are no restrictions, like with the speedruns.

[ancient surge]

That's why when looking up footage, you have to specifically look for original hardware. Anything else you have to take with a grain of salt.

[ripe valley]

If REALLY necessary, I'm taking some old videos as reference, around 13 - 15 years ago.

Why ?
No Saturn emulator was so advanced by that time and it is sure as 97-98% is was done on an original hardware.

I'm discarding very longplays sooner than 7-8 years too if no express mention of original hardware used.

[muted cradle]

Woah. I wouldn't be surprised if he added the Batman soundboard as well now

Srg320 on a bug-squashing spree

Has Batman sound on MAME?

[clear condor]

Yes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1-3h1k97v0

[high bramble]

Nice! Won't need patched MRAs for those after all.

0.180? Apparently it's had sound for a long time. 😄

[muted cradle]

And those are all heavy hitters

[burnt matrix]

Woah woah woah, where is Waku Waku Shinkansen

We need support for that

[high bramble]

You and I have very different definitions of the word 'need'...

[rich violet]

Won't those games need <rom index="0"> sections, to match the STV_MODE bitfield?

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/blob/6d07ab46a2dc1e9d2ff8a7e1ced7b428ece62bba/Saturn.sv#L470-L474

[coarse token]

//1 - 315-5881:

[pearl harbor]

Whaaaaat!? Holy moly that is bad.

[winter phoenix]

it's just cheap. or maybe space-saving on the disc.

[pearl harbor]

I was so sure that it was a bug. I can't believe that's the intended behavior in the game. Actually mind blowing to me!

[exotic elk]

space sometimes runs out

[pearl harbor]

It's the final frontier.

[exotic elk]

disc space, the final fr

[patent ingot]

STV Virtua Fighter Remix expected behavior black screen in it's current core release?

[celest lake]

the latest unstable?

[pearl harbor]

Probably not? It worked before.

[celest lake]

MRAs probably have to be updated

[patent ingot]

have the latest MRA

[celest lake]

no no, I mean Zakk hasn’t updated them

[patent ingot]

OH OK

VF Kids works, Remix does not

[celest lake]

I haven’t updated yet, so I can look at the previous unstable. you doing single or dual ram, hyper? I can’t remember

[pearl harbor]

Robby can breath a sigh of relief! His favorite fat baby ST-V game still works!

[patent ingot]

Both mulitple misters same behavior

[celest lake]

ok, i’ll check dual then

works ok on the previous core

lemme update

Remix working on the latest core for me

[patent ingot]

which core are you using?

[patent ingot]

haha which latest file name?

ill check again thanks!

[burnt matrix]

Download links updated

[high bramble]

I'm referring to the two patched MRAs that were posted earlier.

[novel carbon]

I like that one a lot.

They did send me a free review unit though just FYI.

But I really really like using it with anything it fits well with.

You also have home buttons on it that you can use to open up the MiSTer menu.

I need to try the M30s next. I'll probably order them in soon.

[river river]

Seems like Radiant Silvergun freezes after you insert a coin then hit the start button with the latest ST-V build. Can anyone else confirm? I've seen another report on the misterfpga board: https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?p=95990#p95990

[small ore]

The MRA files have to be updated for certain titles

[pearl harbor]

Wait for the updated mras, and then check again.

[green pebble]

Is there an ETA on when the STV stuff gets put into Update All?

[warped saddle]

up to srg320

[wise brook]

if you’re here, you likely not the kinda guy who needs to wait for that

[warped saddle]

updated mra

https://github.com/zakk4223/STV-MRA/releases/tag/release9

[high bramble]

Thanks again!

[river river]

Weeee! The new MRA release fixes Radiant Silvergun, thanks @warped saddle !

[high bramble]

Curious to know if there are any changes to the Batman Forever kick issue.

[river river]

Sorry, Batman still can't kick

[high bramble]

Thanks.

[exotic elk]

Batman can't even turn his head

[muted cradle]

https://segaretro.org/images/e/ec/CritterCrusher_Arcade_JP_Cabinet.jpg

I guess critter crusher will not be a pleasing game without the (real) hammer

[neon python]

hitting a CRT with a hammer seems like a potential bad time...

[muted cradle]

I can just guess how that worked.

[warped saddle]

critter crusher doesn't even work without the 'hammer'

I think mame implements it as a lightgun tho, so maybe there is hope

(then you can all play it exactly one time and never bother with it again)

[alpine slate]

Hi folks what should i name the bios ?

[muted cradle]

I find those special input arcade games very interesting. Like that Irem penalty simulator where you were supposed to hit a real ball.

[ancient surge]

boot.rom

[alpine slate]

Thankyou

And you put the bios in the mame folder?

[mortal mist]

You need stvbios.zip. Merged sets are preferred, but split should also work.

[wise brook]

wait, what bios you on about?

[wise brook]

NEW PFP!

[alpine slate]

the stv bios

[wise brook]

then don’t rename nothing

keep the zip as is in the mame game folder

[alpine slate]

You dont rename it boot.rom then

[alpine slate]

stv.bios is ok as i renamed it?

[mortal mist]

What files do you have in the bios package ?

[celest lake]

asking the real questions

what if it's fucking tied to the sound chip

that would be amazing

[mortal mist]

check DM

[celest lake]

So what is happening in die hard arcade that causes it to lose sync so much? Doesn't look like a resolution switch, and my tink4k doesn't have any issue with it

[wise brook]

480i 240p

there’s a patch to stop it iirc

[ripe valley]

I've updated my part of the compatibility list.

[celest lake]

I don't think that's it because the tink would tell me

Either way, I hope Kuba is able to get that sync on 480i option in the core. It's great on the PSX

[mortal mist]

I will try to work on it , yesterday I started a new job and I have a lot on my mind now

[ripe valley]

Good luck with the new job.
Likewise, so much on my mind and not enough for the project at the moment.

[celest lake]

it is the lowest of lowest priority duder. I'm glad you got a new gig (I'm pretty sure you mentioned that already but my brain is gravy at this time in the afternoon)

[mortal mist]

Thanks guys, I've had a little more time for a few weeks and I've implemented probably everything I can for core for now, the other stuff needs more time and I need to find it

[upper dust]

Saturn core feels like it's done and in maintenance mode for me. Amazing work from everyone that contributed. I'm just enjoying playing all these games!

(and I'm on the single build)

[mortal mist]

everyone here contributes something cool , testing, talking about games, compiling cores, introducing new code, etc. It's great and a beautiful thing.

I've learned a lot in recent times and understand more things this is already a reward for me 🙂

[celest lake]

This is a feel good core

[ripe valley]

Feeling of accomplishment for many contributors here.

[exotic elk]

Well done everyone!!

[upper dust]

The only remaining thing I think I would want from the core is 3D controller style analog stick and triggers for any USB controllers, but I'm perfectly fine with the SNAC route if it doesn't come to pass (since so few games use it).

[rich violet]

Oh good luck!

[celest lake]

the core is not complete until batman can kick

going to get that printed on a shirt

[upper dust]

request motion to move ST-V to it's own thread

[warped saddle]

it's fine

I can't wait to find out what that batman bug is

[celest lake]

im betting on that it's waiting for some sort of cue from the sound board

[warped saddle]

game asks the audio dsp if it is ok to kick

kick physics so intense it is offloaded

[celest lake]

the sound card also does PHYS-X

[green pebble]

I'm here AND lazy.

[ripe valley]

The core isn't ready until you could export/import your save file on an external USB floppy drive and use the Word processor on the machine.

😏

[celest lake]

Batman is going to kick, and then we will get a 3DO core? God truly loves us

[high bramble]

...and Robin!

It's the only thing he's got going for him.

[celest lake]

lets not get greedy

[muted cradle]

A whole daughterboard necessary to strengthen the kick power

[high bramble]

Maybe it's missing the Kick harness...

It's easy to miss. It's hidden behind a kick panel on the cab...

[cobalt rune]

Is there any word if cheat support will be added to the Saturn core eventually?

[celest lake]

saturn core is done. we are a 3DO core now

[cobalt rune]

I wouldn't mind that either lol

[burnt matrix]

Analog triggers would be a major addition to MiSTer main, not the core itself. It’s been requested but currently unknown if it’ll ever be added. Outside of Saturn and one or two arcade games there isn’t a case for it.

[clear condor]

It would also be useful for the PSX NeGcon games

[warped saddle]

what's the first console that had 2x analog sticks AND analog triggers?

is it technically the psx negcon?

[burnt matrix]

Ohhhh that’s good, I’ll add that to my list when I pester Sorg about it again.

[clear condor]

Not quite - NeGcon has no sticks and only one analog trigger

but it has two analog buttons and the twist axis

[warped saddle]

I guess the better way to word it: what's the first console where you need more than 4 analog axes?

[burnt matrix]

PS2? Every button is pressure sensitive!

[clear condor]

I think it's Saturn's Dual Mission Stick?

[warped saddle]

what the hell is that thing

[burnt matrix]

Yeah? It’s twin sticks but what are the other analog axis?

[clear condor]

The dial on top of each stick

[burnt matrix]

It’s when you buy two mission sticks and slap them on both sides of the central unit. I think like one or two games even supported that unique configuration.

[warped saddle]

but are they a single controller or is it two and the game deals with it being 'one'?

[clear condor]

Saturn SMPC represents it as one controller, iirc

imo the motivation for analog triggers isn't just the number of axes; it's the ability to arbitrarily map an analog axis from your controller into the core. Like, even though the NeGcon has only four axes, you cannot map a gamepad's analog triggers to any of those axes, since the analog mapping is stick-based

[burnt matrix]

It’s a super cool idea imo. I also like they you can freely mount the analog stick on either side for left/right handed people.

[warped saddle]

no, I know it's mostly a mapping issue, it's more that I'm trying to sus out if we can get like 99% of the way there with minimal core changes

[clear condor]

Has anyone ever made a circle out of those

[clear condor]

I think "like 99%" is accurate, yeah

[burnt matrix]

Here my mission stick

[wise brook]

if someone knows how to map a modern controller to provide “virtual” dual mission functionality i’ll be forever grateful

[clear condor]

The only other thing I can think of besides the Dual Mission that would support more than 4 axes would be weird joysticks in the PC cores

but actually I can't think of any of those with more than 4 axes, either

[burnt matrix]

What games use the dial on top?

[wise brook]

@winter phoenix

your needed

[burnt matrix]

I should try it out, I used the mission stick with space harrier and it was great

[alpine pagoda]

Probably something mechy

[ripe valley]

Virtual On ?

[clear condor]

Panzer Dragoon Zwei appears to be the only game that supports Dual Mission

[ripe valley]

Ah, yes.

[clear condor]

Virtual-On and Bulk Slash use the other twin stick - the digital one

[alpine pagoda]

Virtual on uses the twin stick just, pretty much nothing uses the dual

[burnt matrix]

Yeah I have that one, love it

[alpine pagoda]

but maybe some of the japanese mech games use the little wheel thing?

[wise brook]

the little dial on top of the mission stick might be used in Stellar Assault

which has had an absolutely deluxe fan translation with voice acting and everything

[clear condor]

The throttle wheel is only used in a small number of the games though, and in some cases, such as MechWarrior 2: 31st Century Combat, native 3D Control Pad support avoiding the wheel is still an option.

https://segaretro.org/Mission_Stick

It's possible PD Zwei doesn't use the wheels, and we 100% don't need more than four axes

[alpine pagoda]

does reflex convert the dual mission to a regular dual stick? might be the only way to use it for more than PDZ

[winter phoenix]

No idea

Sorry!

[tacit viper]

Noooooooo, we need save states like the PSX core 🙂

[celest lake]

https://tenor.com/nG0LEeC8qHC.gif

[tacit viper]

Haha I knew something like that was coming.

[high bramble]

That's what she said...

[burnt matrix]

Damn all of that?

[visual grove]

Phew glad it was that one

[naive whale]

Didn’t even notice the update til just now

What was wrong with Final Fight revenge? Played and captured it. Didn’t have any issues 🤷🏻‍♂️

[quick sorrel]

Been busy doing end of the year rush things but
Is Grandia still silicon lottery dependent for the single core?

[celest lake]

yeah. seems to be an issue with the ddr. srg was finally able to reproduce it by slowing his ddr clock speed down

[quick sorrel]

Nice to see it’s mostly a non issue then

[quick sorrel]

Hey~

[naive whale]

all I want to do is report this photo as inappropriate 🤣

[vocal comet]

ナイス スティック indeed😉

[celest lake]

Is that a japanese baguette in your pocket or are you just excited about the sega saturn

[winter phoenix]

Did main branch just get updated with all the latest Saturn nightlies? I see "Saturn fixes (srg320)" on Sorgelig's post

[safe trail]

I thought that was just about updates to Main

[ancient surge]

Main was updated recently to fix disc reading for the SEGA Saturn core, so I'm assuming that is what it's referring to.

[clear condor]

Your mission's WHAT

[hallow fossil]

Now arcade cheats is supported in official Main, are cheats planned for S-TV? What would the process be for supporting those?

[high bramble]

Not sure if it helps, but here is the PR with a bit of information and an example: https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer/pull/969

[muted cradle]

Yesterday I was desperately trying to research the differences between Tecmo World Cup 98 (ST-V), Tecmo World Cup Millennium (???) and Tecmo Super Shot Soccer (PsX). I cannot remember the last time when any research was less successful.

I still don't know which arcade system runs Tecmo World Cup Millennium. Or supposed to run it. Maybe it was canceled?

I guess at that point of time PES and FIFA had killed off any competition already and nobody cared anymore about other football games.

Probably Tecmo World Cup 98 is their last Arcade soccer game. They started the craze with Tehkan World Cup. It's good that we can now play the first and the last one (and get both within a few weeks).

[warped saddle]

It's basically the same as implementing cheats in a console core

[hallow fossil]

Ah, so still quite involved and srg320 would need to do it in the core, got you

[frail token]

Should I message Sorg every thirteen minutes? Would that help?

[dusty shale]

I've opened the ST-V core for the first time, and there doesn't appear to be an option to load any games.

What am I missing?

[river river]

The MRAs https://github.com/zakk4223/STV-MRA

[dusty shale]

Thank you!

[clear condor]

Analog trigger guys are coming

[dusty shale]

It's me, I'm the analog trigger guy.

My favourite game requires the use of analog triggers.

[dusty shale]

One thing of note is that, for me, the 'cores' folder is outside of the '_Arcade' folder, yet the instructions say the former folder should be inside the latter.

[celest lake]

use this https://github.com/davewongillies/MISTer-update_stv

it will simlink the core into your _Arcade/cores folder

[warped saddle]

arcade cores go in _Arcade/cores. I don't know why you have a 'cores' directory but that is not where the ST-V rbf goes

[dusty shale]

It won't even let me make a 'cores' folder inside '_Arcade'. It's always been outside of there, and I only noticed today.

[celest lake]

oh that’s weird

[dusty shale]

😰

I don't understand. It's not like I moved it.

Is it not like that for anyone else?

[ripe valley]

Nope.

[dusty shale]

That is frightening.

Should I try... moving the 'cores' folder into the '_Arcade' folder?

[ripe valley]

Depends if you only have arcade cores inside (or not).

[dusty shale]

At a glance, it looks that way.

This is really odd. This entire time, it's worked fine. I had no idea my file structure was wrong.

[wise brook]

heads up @dusty shale that could imply your sdcard is dying

might want to make a backup

[dusty shale]

Dying? I haven't even had it six months.

[wise brook]

it is just a maybe, but it’s a distinct possibility

when it suddenly cant write, that precedes it becoming unable to read

[dusty shale]

It can write. I can add other files to it just fine. It's just particular about this specific folder.

[somber jacinth]

You not using a Mac to view your SD card by any chance?

[dusty shale]

No. PC.

[somber jacinth]

I didn't have a core folder in arcade either,,,, or so I
rhought

Oh well I could not see it in my file browser. But it was there when I sorted arcade by type - then it magically appeared below the other folders

I thought it was a Mac "quirk"

[celest lake]

it is a mac quirk. it wants to sort them alphabetically. cores is always in the middle (where C is) for me

[burnt matrix]

LMAO this was good

[upper dust]

Swapping games seems much more stable now. Before I would have to remount the images and reset the core frequently, but I loaded games from different regions and file types with no issues inbetween.

[wise brook]

yeah, haven’t really thought about it for a while

[frail heath]

So how worth is it to purchase a 3D Pad? I've barely played Saturn before this core and atm its my favorite Mister core, but i've stayed away from Nights and Burning Rangers because i've read they're much better games with a 3D pad

Alternatively if there is a good option as a substitute

[burnt matrix]

How much do you care about using analog triggers for the scant few games that support it. One of them being Sega Rally Championship.

[muted cradle]

@warped saddle , I think that your README.md needs updating: saturn.rbf --> ST-V.rbf?

https://github.com/zakk4223/STV-MRA/blob/main/README.md

"Copy the latest Saturn core RBF to /media/fat/_Arcade/cores/Saturn.rbf" ?

[warped saddle]

oh yeah, probably

documentation lol

[frail heath]

I do enjoy Sega Rally a lot tbh so if it does enhance that aswell its probably a good idea to pick one up

[clear condor]

Sega Rally's contentious. Of all the 3D racing games out there, it is probably the single game whose developers put the most love into making it play well with an ordinary D-pad

[wise brook]

play the netlink edition and try the analog controller

it’s wonderful

[zinc vine]

anyone got vampier sega saturn unstable script for both single/dual my sd card got corrupted

[river river]

What script is that?

[zinc vine]

to download unstable core saturn

[river river]

You just put this in downloader.ini

[unstable_nightlies_folder]
db_url = https://raw.githubusercontent.com/MiSTer-unstable-nightlies/Unstable_Folder_MiSTer/main/db_unstable_nightlies_folder.json

[river river]

Or were you thinking of this?
https://github.com/davewongillies/MISTer-update_stv

[zinc vine]

nope

it was a while back someone made a script

[river river]

Vampier isn't on this discord anymore

[zinc vine]

damn oh well thanks

[celest lake]

If you want a script (rather than having update all grab them automatically) you can use the MisterAddons script: https://github.com/misteraddons/mister_unstable_updater_scripts

[burnt matrix]

@frail heath You can replicate the analog stick of the 3D pad with a usb controller but not the analog triggers at this time.

Analog triggers for usb controllers might be added in the future or they may not. If they do get added there’s no timeframe available.

I cannot tell you if it’s worth purchasing a SNAC adapter, SNAC cable, and a Saturn 3D control pad just for using analog triggers. That’s for you to decide.

[pearl harbor]

I can decide for them. Get on that Saturn 3D controller with SNAC! Join us! Join the Saturn 3D controller collective!

[sturdy kernel]

i've 100% nights into dreams with the 3D pad in my Saturn a few years back, it seems a bit rough, but works well and i found it confortable, in my opinion

[frail heath]

Thanks for the info! I already have the SNAC adapter so i'll just buy the 3D controller. I'm starting to run into storage issues with all these controllers

[burnt matrix]

You have ascended into true MiSTer gaming. We collect controllers here.

[ripe valley]

That's true.

[umbral bluff]

Sorry , where can I read STV installation instructions ? Again my core is not working cause I used the update all script

[burnt matrix]

Here you go @umbral bluff

[umbral bluff]

Ty

[muted cradle]

Make sure to have a rather new romset for the ST-V bios. If it is the bios from the romset 2.57 (?) or older, there are files missing and you will get error messages.

[burnt matrix]

Good point, I’ll add that info. Thank you!

[muted cradle]

0.258 was the first ROMset to feature the file "epr-23603.ic8".

I checked the net

@warped saddle , maybe worth adding to your README.md as well

[earnest terrace]

Also messing with ST-V a bit, I saw that the 240p patch for Die Hard Arcade fixes the synch issues for the CD version but is there a path to do the same with the mame ROM? Or is it more of a matter of that not really being a version worth playing so such a patch is a low priority?

[somber jacinth]

Die Hard Arcade ST-V rocks out the box. 💪

[high bramble]

Yep.
#1046941029296779344 message

[earnest terrace]

For me I get massive synch issues during the resolution changes with the mra/mame ROM

[celest lake]

add [st-v] vsync_adjust=0to your MiSTer.ini

[earnest terrace]

I have an alt .ini file that does exactly that for compatibilty testing but that's not the setting I would use for general usage, obviously buffering it will solve such problems

[zinc oak]

I just want to make sure, if I drop the unstable saturn.rbf in my _consoles folder, I don't need to put the ROMs in a different folder right? That unstable core will look in the same place as the update_all core?

[dusty shale]

Update on yesterday's file system tomfoolery.

I tried a different FTP client.

There is now a 'cores' folder within '_Arcade' (as there should be), but there is also what looks like a shortcut to 'cores' in /media/fat.

[river river]

cores in /media/fat and cores in /media/fat/_Arcade should be their own directory, not a shortcut no I'm actually wrong

[dusty shale]

I really don't know why this is happening, nor why this seems to have only ever happened to me.

I have never touched this folder before.

[river river]

Actually I just checked my Mister:

/media/fat# ls -l|grep cores
lrwxr-xr-x  1 root root       24 Sep 20 18:40 cores -> /media/fat/_Arcade/cores

It is a symlink/shortcut

[dusty shale]

So mine is fine?

[river river]

Well you haven't said where its a shortcut to but if its a shortcut to /media/fat/_Arcade/cores then it should be fine

[dusty shale]

It appears to be that, yes.

[barren thistle]

I can't seem to map my Retro-bit Saturn Pro Controller correctly with the Saturn core. It doesn't seem to pickup the "z" button. I've tried both in D-Input and X-Input mode, and updated the firmware for the controller and the USB dongle. Any thoughts?

[burnt matrix]

Did you use the favorites script?

[dusty shale]

I have in the past.

[burnt matrix]

It does that.

It’s to facilitate adding an arcade MRA as a favorite in the main menu.

MRAs only know that they’re in the same directory structure where the arcade cores folder is located. So if you sym link an MRA to a new folder it’ll auto sym link the arcade cores folder too.

So it’s not just you, it’s probably everyone who’s used the Favorites script. You’re just the only one who’s noticed and posted about it here.

[burnt matrix]

Delete your controller config and try again.

[barren thistle]

How do I perform that?

[burnt matrix]

media/fat/config/inputs - I think that’s the folder name

Look for controller inputs labeled “Saturn”

[barren thistle]

Same issue. I found a few copies of the file, deleted all of them, but it's still not taking the "Z" button

Maybe it's because I read somewhere the Z + C buttons are mapped to the L+R s?

[burnt matrix]

Yeah, could be a problem with the controller itself

[barren thistle]

ugh, what a stupid / weird problem

I was able to get it, but I'm really questioning whether or not to keep this

[burnt matrix]

Try it on your PC first to confirm it

[dusty shale]

Mystery solved! Thank you!

[cunning citrus]

When accessing over FTP, I recommend using SFTP, it allows managing the symlinks, very useful whenever creating/deleting a link is needed.

[burnt matrix]

Also if you use FileZilla set transfer to binary

[dusty shale]

I just downloaded FileZilla today. I was using Cyberduck prior.

[hearty marten]

scp gang rise up!

[cunning citrus]

Winscp here.

[burnt matrix]

I like WinSCP because I know how to make symbolic links with it lol

[tacit viper]

noobs, windows command line ftp for the win

[celest hearth]

Now that the Saturn and STV are split, when might we see separate chats?

[celest lake]

I think the decision around that was that it didn’t make much sense to do

there isn’t going to be much more development on either (SRG is going to implement the sound chip for batman…and then STV is basically done?). STV is kind of an add-on anyway, not really its own thing

[clear condor]

Oh, did SRG confirm he was going to do the Batman sound chip?

[celest lake]

Yep 🙏 https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/371#issuecomment-2703200871

soon, batman will kick again

[clear condor]

RAX

[muted cradle]

#MBKA campaign

[naive whale]

who needs kicks when you have acid trip power up lightning mode lol

[celest lake]

bat cycle accurate

[high bramble]

Needs a cheat to make him kick like Superman.

[quick sorrel]

🤣 wtf is that atomic dong kick from?

[muted cradle]

I guess that Batman in this incarnation is quite OK as a game. It's infamous for its horrid SNES and MegaDrive ports. In my opinion the arcade version is a nice game for some short chunks of silly arcade action.

[burnt matrix]

Bro, that hurts just looking at 🤣

[high bramble]

The shockwave really drives it home. 😏

[winter phoenix]

Good news: An RPG that was on the Saturn is now available on modern consoles! Bad news: It's a remaster that lacks practically everything that made the Saturn version unique! I explain how Suikoden HD Remaster is disappointing to Saturn fans in my new story:

https://www.segasaturnshiro.com/2025/03/07/suikoden-remaster-releases-without-saturn-exclusive-features/

[high bramble]

Yeah, that's disappointing. I've been having fun with the Switch version though.

[sterile parcel]

Suikoden I & II are two of my favorites games of all time, and I had no idea there was a Saturn port of the original that included extra content!

[winter phoenix]

yeeeeep

[ancient fractal]

Bit of a SotN situation; bit of a rough port in places (not as bad as SotN though) but some nice little extras added

[winter phoenix]

Both from Konami, not coincidentally

[ancient fractal]

Yep. In both cases the original version was done by KCET studio, while the Saturn ports were done by the Nagoya and Sapporo studios. And what's really weird is how late the Saturn port of Suikoden was released..

Anyways, Suiko II is one of my top-5 games ever but I never finished the first one. Maybe it's time I did it now.

[sterile parcel]

Playing Suiko I & II together is lots of fun due to the crossovers. You get more Viktor and Flik, etc

[alpine pagoda]

Is there an English translation for the Saturn versions?

[burnt matrix]

The hell is a Suikoden, some sort of Pokémon?

[pearl harbor]

It's obviously the Doom 2016 of Pokémon.

[exotic elk]

it's the game where you push boxes around

[celest lake]

It was the best series of the early aughts only because I got to listen to my Gamestop DM try to pronounce it

[winter phoenix]

no, sadly, not yet

[burnt matrix]

lol damnit, my trolls don’t work anymore

I haven’t played either game yet

[cobalt rune]

2 all time classics right there

[exotic elk]

what order should i play them in

[celest lake]

Start with Mother 3

[high bramble]

I'd start with Lunar: Silver Star Story Complete.

[drowsy hull]

I'd start with liberating those unused suikoden copies from robby's claws

probably more were those came from

[exotic elk]

there's a rumor he possesses a prototype of the unseen sudokuden III

[patent ingot]

I'm excited for STV Core like all of you, Testing it brings so much joy since i'm also an avid arcade PCB collector. I can safely store these for safe keeps.

[pearl harbor]

He has Magic Knight Rayearth! ||And so do I! ||

[old pasture]

Has anyone ever played the Suikoden game on the DS?

I really enjoyed that one.

[burnt matrix]

Suikoden Telekenesis?

[ripe valley]

Tierkreis.

[burnt matrix]

Tear Cries?

was trying to make a joke about the weird subtitle but I give up

[ripe valley]

Zodiac.

[naive whale]

What other boards you have stashed away?

[patent ingot]

Too many to list, started on a cart, now fills a closet

now have a dedicated floor for my arcade 🙂

sample of some of my PCB's, mostlys entimental growing up.

[naive whale]

Haha gotta keep a list

[high bramble]

Wow, I never knew you were that much into it.

Nice.

[naive whale]

You are the 2D collector to my 3D collector

[patent ingot]

I do somewhere

[naive whale]

Meanwhile I just picked up a Taito Type Zero (not type X variant) of battle gear 2. 603e PowerPC based with custom Taito designed 3D hardware

[patent ingot]

Yea, pandemic was an exciting time lol

I'm happy to see Mister take on arcade classics.

means i no longer need to connect these and swap games instantly

i will 100% keep these

[celest lake]

man, those boards in display cases are so nice looking

[naive whale]

You are def neater. My shits either in priority boxes or in the big metal cages they lived in 🤣

[patent ingot]

Nice! Battle Gear is a fun game, looking forwad to a video on it soon

[naive whale]

End goal is to convert it to a Stunt Typhoon Plus

[patent ingot]

Its a work of art to me. function and form.

[celest lake]

I love it. I wish I had room for stuff like that

[patent ingot]

I worked with Highflow in NL with measurements for many of their cases.

https://www.highflow.nl/arcade/game-pcbs-and-accessories/

[patent ingot]

At one point it filled our whole condo, wife was not impressed

[celest lake]

lol

[patent ingot]

since then we have a much larger place and dedicated floor out of the way.

[tacit viper]

Im convinced Video Game Esoterica has a dedicated house for all his arcade boards. 🙂

[naive whale]

Haha I do not sadly

I wish I had the cash for that kinda thing

[tacit viper]

Love your videos bro, watch you every night.

[pearl harbor]

Gotta get on my level and make inappropriate comments on all his videos that Youtube deletes!

[pastel basalt]

Wow this is wild

Do you service anything yourself on the pcbs?

Recaps and things like that

[serene thunder]

That would be one of the most appealing aspects to me - Doing Repair and restore before putting them into the final plastic sandwich

Go over with magnification and learn stuff

[patent ingot]

Depends on the severity yes. The one's i've sent out have been CPS2 and CPS3 so far due to the suicide batteries

[patent ingot]

Yea that's the goal for each PCB, they are cleaned and 100% functional before display cases

[tall radish]

nice axunworks gun. i have one too; best supergun ever

[old pasture]

That's the one.

[exotic elk]

Since you work on CPS, do you know of any replacements for the A-01

[patent ingot]

I send out CPS 2 and 3 out to Ben ifixretro. As for your A-01 customer chip q. No replacements aside from salvaging another. In theory one could reproduce them now that we schematics from FPGA studies from Jotego.

[exotic elk]

I see

[patent ingot]

You can follow this thread on Arcade projects.

https://www.arcade-projects.com/threads/reproducing-the-one-and-only-custom-chip-on-capcoms-cps1-a-boards-aka-cps-a-01-dl-0311.32589/

[exotic elk]

thanks!

[marble laurel]

New dumped STV games for @burnt matrix
https://github.com/mamedev/mame/commit/8ee55f21e7e89c3a069d5fff6b3677828d14fe84

[dusty shale]

TWIN STICK EX SPOTTED

[naive whale]

I should tease him with my new board

It plays TWO train games @burnt matrix

[naive whale]

I am just glad @patent ingot exists here now. The arcade board idiots are growing in numbers! There are TWO of us now. Domination is complete 🤣

[exotic elk]

how much is a MERCS board these days?

[naive whale]

$200-300. Depending on where. Maybe a touch cheaper on eBay if it’s a bid auction that ends at a weird time

I wouldn’t pay over $250 personally

It’s common. It’s not Street Fighter or a big Capcom franchise. So it’s not all that valuable

There is one BIN for $350. Which is at the high end IMO

[exotic elk]

thanks

I'm trying to figure out if 120 bucks for an A-01 is worth it

it's got a broken tile layer iirc

[naive whale]

Coin flip. If you can fix it solid price. If it’s fucked in other ways maybe not

[exotic elk]

yeah

[naive whale]

I have a lot of “good deal” problem pcb’s in the closet haha. Has X wrong with it. Fix x…and then something else is fucked. Suddenly a “good deal” becomes an albatross

Common I’ll buy with issues and repair. Rare boards I want working. Because 9/10 times nobody has ever fixed them and I end up doing the research and writing the procedure and I have to go in blind

[exotic elk]

yeah

I was lucky with the Sonic Wings, I just had to reseat a chip

sadly I replaced N chips already before finding that

but hey, practice

[naive whale]

Haha in the end if it boots it’s a win

This damn Cobra board is my white whale currently

I am trying to link up with UoC dept of engineering to see if some students want to look at it as a project. So I can get access to their x-ray machine. See if any BGAs have cracked or gone cold under the gpu chips

[exotic elk]

what a headache

[naive whale]

I hate the board haha. If it wasn’t one of six left known to exist I’d give up

Six are known about. One works. So I feel compelled to try and improve those numbers if I can

[burnt matrix]

Imagine buying specialized hardware just to play video games. Couldn’t be me!

[naive whale]

I’m having a “crisis” right now with specialized hardware

[burnt matrix]

Out of “time” ?

[naive whale]

I have a Teraburst pcb I CAN convert to Gradius IV and just use JVS to play with a stick

Or I can purchase expensive lightgun, camera and IR sensors to play Teraburst

Converting to Gradius IV is “free” but I kinda suck at it and it’s on PS2

Teraburst is awesome and I love the game but it’s gonna run me well over $300 and forever to find all the parts

Plus the setup time to even play

TL;DR - collecting specialized control arcade boards sucks propane

[burnt matrix]

Are you speaking in tongues?

[naive whale]

I spoke to your mother in tongues last night

[burnt matrix]

lmao goddamnit that one was really good 🤣

[exotic elk]

you keep walking into them 😭

[naive whale]

@burnt matrix walks into them, his mother backs up into them

[burnt matrix]

I’m actually a good friend and I set him for it

[winter phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/ruff-your-mom-youre-mother-gif-20687131

[sterile parcel]

Anyone else notice a bug on the latest single ram unstable build with Sega Ages: OutRun where the graphics are scrambled?

[mortal mist]

yes confirmed

[ripe valley]

Ah, shoot...

[mortal mist]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/378

[ripe valley]

VDPx timings are broken once again.

Also Castlevania X, I presume...

[mortal mist]

Yeah

[wise brook]

ancient Athenian quote

“The DualSDRAM users play what they can, and the SingleSDRAM suffer what they must"

[drowsy hull]

they had a chance, but decided to use their high frequency noise generators

[prime hare]

Testing the new core 3-04 and new MRAs from 4 days ago
almost everything works
love the bob/weave for deinterlacing
bob looks a lot better for certain games over HDMI

the core is in great shape. I updated the google sheet. moved a few games from bootable to playable, as the decompression chip fixed things up

[twin canyon]

i always enjoy reading that cores are "in great shape". it must mean they work out a lot.

[tawny forge]

Do we have analog shoulder buttons support through USB yet?

[warped saddle]

no

[ancient fractal]

How hard can it be?! <looks at input.cpp> 🧐

[tulip nimbus]

Hi i have a screen corruption on astra superstar st-v game

I m using latest unstable core st-v and latest mra files

[naive whale]

Normal. You can used a patched file. It’s part of the security

It’ll stop being corrupted when Srg finishes that work. Unless he already did and I didn’t noticed? Things move FAST lately

Elan Doree has garbage graphics too due to this

I believe Darksoft sets fixed this issue as they don’t appear on my multi using those files

[tulip nimbus]

ah ok thanks i thought it... im just downloading darksoft romset.

[ripe valley]

srg320 already added the copy protection on the last release.
So, it should work with the v9 MRAs from Zakk and the regular ST-V set from MAME.

No need of patched or special MRAs anymore.

[burnt matrix]

we’re already at V9?

Oh yeah oops I knew that

[wise brook]

ignore what you just read

follow what Zet has posted

regular roms, latest core and mre

dual ram if possible

[high bramble]

Yes. The MRAs aren't designed to be used with Darksoft ROMs. Use MAME ROMs.

[deep latch]

I'm excited to see Tecmo World Cup 98 working for STV, I played that a lot in the arcades when I was a kid. Unfortunately it seems to have some slowdowns from time to time, which I don't remember happening in real hardware. Could this be related to memory limitations with the single ram core, or something that could be reasonably expected to be fixed in the future? In any case, being able to play the game again is truly awesome, so many memories

[ripe valley]

Did you tried with the fast timings enabled ?

[tulip nimbus]

darksoft roms are not zipped and files are named differently

i use normal mame roms and rma from web

mra sorry

[naive whale]

Haha hence my caveat of “maybe already fixed”. I have not been keeping up this week

[deep latch]

Ah, not yet, I will give it a try thanks 🙏

[delicate terrace]

Die hard arcade on my saturn core has no music, any ideas?

[undone oyster]

Saturn version or ST-V version?

[delicate terrace]

saturn

[undone oyster]

Using latest unstable core and latest main?

[delicate terrace]

yeah, just updated

[delicate terrace]

your game is getting music? here i got only sound effects

[undone oyster]

The last time I tried the game I am sure I had music

Redump image? Multi-bin or CHD?

[delicate terrace]

just like you,i am sure i had music too last time i tried 🤣

[celest lake]

I am in front of my mister, let me look

[undone oyster]

So this is a recent bug? I am doing an overnight shift at work so I cannot test.... and just as I was about to ask if anyone can confirm TheJesusFish comes to the rescue 🙂

[delicate terrace]

i don know, just tried a couple of nightlies and the last stable, no music, only in this game

[delicate terrace]

and the fox studio music plays at the start, it wont play during the game

[undone oyster]

Interesting.... let's wait for TJF to run a test and get back to us and when I am home from work tomorrow I will also test it as I would like to see this for myself as well

[delicate terrace]

lets wait for Jesus to come back

[visual grove]

Jesus saves

[celest lake]

Working in both single and dual ram for me. latest unstable, redump bin/cue

[visual grove]

Amen

[delicate terrace]

lol

[delicate terrace]

wow could not be better, so.. i think ill get another rom

[celest lake]

obv no music when it’s doing the demo in attract mode

[delicate terrace]

Thanx for your time , really, there must be a lot of ppl asking for your help, i feel the luckiest guy @celest lake

[celest lake]

bah, easy enough to quickly test 🙂

[undone oyster]

We live to help people here, when I am not working I will test anything I see people needing help with 🙂

[delicate terrace]

but you know..all the ppl in the world needs you, or thats what they think 😋

[undone oyster]

But as I am working I could only really ask you the questions to see if there was a way I could help without being next to my MiSTer

[delicate terrace]

by the way, thats my rom

[celest lake]

grab a redump image

[undone oyster]

Is that a scene release?

[delicate terrace]

i have no idea, it has been there for aaaages, i just dont recall it not having music

[undone oyster]

Redump is the best images to have as they are true 1:1 copies of the games

[delicate terrace]

cool, just grabbed one and try, brb

[undone oyster]

Cool let us know your results 🙂

[burnt matrix]

Not being sarcastic or snarky but what the hell were people doing before?

[undone oyster]

Who knows what the scene does they could come patched with stealth patches to bypass mod chip detection etc

[burnt matrix]

Ohhhhh yeah good point.

Man, just even 10 years ago it feels like the Wild West of emulation lol.

Thank goodness there’s so much effort to keep things organized and clean now.

[undone oyster]

Lol I know right, crazy how times change 🙂

[delicate terrace]

Just tested, works perfectly, thx again guys

ill have this rom on my fenrir and saroo too lol

[undone oyster]

🙂 good to know

[delicate terrace]

aaaaand..the rom i just downloaded was already there (saroo)

[undone oyster]

Hahaha always the way 🙂

[deep latch]

just tried this, seems like the slowdowns are still there (they happen particularly when making "special" moves)

[celest lake]

I loaded it up but I am not familiar enough with it to detect slowdowns 😦

[deep latch]

found this video that shows what I am seeing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HCaNfAaSsU (for example, minute 1:05)

compare with 0:42 in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFSocF5HIuU

[wise brook]

and it doesn’t happen on dual sdram

[celest lake]

yeah, it doesn't happen in arcades https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXwPl6U1NmA

Might not be worth filing since it is likely a ram timing thing. Zet and Kuba would know for sure (if we should file it)

[dark cloud]

For any Stunner / Virtua Gun users out there, I just wanted to share that the MagicTrashman trigger mod is well worth the time and money.
Easy mod with press fit parts and two wires to solder. I also added AA batteries for weight and a ring inside the trigger spring for stability. Feels like an arcade light gun now. Highly recommended!

[deep latch]

time to get another ram stick maybe 😄 thanks for looking into it

[tawny forge]

Wait, dual ram is a thing AGAIN now?

[wise brook]

since about 6 months ago

[celest lake]

time to give taki his blood money

[visual grove]

Wow that guy loves STV look at those fancy setups

[celest lake]

Bless his heart

[untold lintel]

I had a die hard board for a while but I sold to a friend like a dozen years ago so I’m happy it’s coming around

[outer relic]

Not sure it's worth risking leaking batteries just to add weight to the gun. It's sort of 'insult-to-injury' to have batteries that are not even connected to anything leaking acid inside your 30 year old lightguns. Maybe just get some weights on Amazon or Ebay or something.

[tacit viper]

This is what I was thinking, why not just regular weights like from a mouse or something

I guess easier to mount the batteries

[dark cloud]

They aren’t alkaline batteries so I’m not super concerned about it. I’ll probably pop it open again soon to add wheel weights anyway. Planning on painting it because the color is loud haha

[green pebble]

You can also grab the Japanese version, which is pretty cheap and comes the way I take my coffee. Black.

And smelling of smoke

[tacit viper]

I wonder if I can get the Easter Bunny to bring me a Retrotink 4k

[dark cloud]

Yea I’ve been planning on grabbing another to dual wield anyway. Got this one local for cheap. 🙂

[tulip nimbus]

Changed also timing in fast....

I on last mra and core

But not last main unstable

[somber jacinth]

You could and should consider the Morph. I had mine a good few months now and It gets better with every update.

Although I have to say if I could afford the 4k I'd get it for TATE. Though that is coming to morph at some time in the future though the devs do say it's not a priority ATM.

If you not bothered about TATE then I guess the new tink CE is the way to go. More expensive than the morph though. I'm currently rediscovering PS2 in 4K on my morph via passthrough on OSSC.

[naive whale]

STV capture time again

[wise brook]

happy 30th anniversary to this generation defining game

[naive whale]

makes me feel old haha

[upper dust]

Playing Panzer Dragoon with turbo fire on one of the buttons makes playing it on the MiSTer a much less tiring experience

[kind quarry]

i would kill for super high res scans

[burnt matrix]

Like, how many people we're talking

[kind quarry]

a lot of the panzer dragoon concept art is so evocative to me, i dunno why

[burnt matrix]

if I were to have access to high res scans and had a target in mind... your thoughts?

[kind quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-and-morty-rick-morty-krombopulous-michael-gif-5161053

[burnt matrix]

lol

I don't sorry

Moebius right, the artist?

[amber heart]

Sorry if this has been asked a billion times but is there currently a way to rotate the screen on the STV version of Shienryu?

[burnt matrix]

first of all, don't apologize. We love helping people here. Secondly I don't know.

lol

[amber heart]

I appreciate it!

Out of what I’ve played so far the STV version of shienryu has the most dramatic graphical improvement from the Saturn version.

But its sideways on my screen 😔

[exotic elk]

perhaps... your screen is sideways

[amber heart]

I’d love one of those Tate rotating monitors but not in the cards for me atm

[visual grove]

You flip your CRT like an arcade operator

[muted cradle]

All Saturn and Titan games don't offer TATE support yet. I heard that someone other than srg320 is working on improving that situation. But no guarantees that it can be done and when it is finished 😉

But it is worked on.

[amber heart]

Thanks for the info!

[muted cradle]

At the moment all 30+ Tate games would need a manual rotation of your monitor counter clockwise. Screen flipping like on the PSX core would help all of us that can just rotate clockwise.

And showing Tate games in higher vertical resolution in a horizontal setup would help all those who cannot rotate at all.

Let's see what's in the cards.

[ancient fractal]

The Saturn version is identical when playing in tate mode

(Which will of course also be displayed in the wrong orientation.. but like with most console games with a tate mode it can be configured to use a rotated control setup for those who aren't true enough to rotate their screens)

[barren thistle]

Is there an easy way to populate the ST-V rom games? I already have the latest MAME ROMset

Wondering if there is a script or something

[celest lake]

I can't remember, but aren't they just in a folder in mame? or do they have the stv prefix?

I remember it was real easy to pull them out

[river river]

I just searched for "st-v mame rom set" and dropped the results of that into games/mame

I did briefly think about adding it to update_stv but decided against it since its easy enough to find the ROMs, something something you must only use your legally obtained ROMs something and once everything becomes stable it'll probably all get handled by update_all

[high bramble]

You need to obtain them from the MAME Software List ROMs set. Those are separate from the main MAME ROMs set. The games exist in a subfolder named stv.
The stvbios.zip file exists in the main MAME ROMs set though.

[barren thistle]

Which version did they move the stv stuff into Software Lists? I have seen many of the same names in the main romset

[high bramble]

I'm not sure. All I know is that when I copied the ROMs from the Software List stv folder to ..\games\mame\ on MiSTer (which contains the latest 0.275 ROMs), nothing was overwritten.

[noble escarp]

I do have a record vinyl of the game and it includes some art in hi rez, full page size. I just don't have a large enough digital scanner.

[ripe valley]

Pedro Soares redone and cleaned the artwork from a HD scan.

[burnt matrix]

That’s pretty badass

[tacit viper]

Want it for the shaders 🙂

[cobalt rune]

I've wondered how the shaders are on the morph but there's no videos I could find showing them off

[barren thistle]

Is it possible to use MRA files to launch different games for this core?

[high bramble]

That's how ST-V games are launched.

[barren thistle]

yup, that's why I'm asking lol

[high bramble]

It's not just possible, it's a requirement. 😉

The pinned comments should point you in the right direction to get everything set up properly.

[barren thistle]

I got the ST-V games going earlier this evening

[high bramble]

I guess I don't understand the question then...

[barren thistle]

Can I create MRA files for saturn games?

instead of having to select the core, then each file, etc

[high bramble]

Ah, not that I'm aware of. Saturn images are loaded from the core's menu, like all the other console cores.

[minor cipher]

you can use MGL tho, i think

to launch games directly

haven't tested it with Saturn yet but it works with most popular cores

[burnt matrix]

DID SOMEONE SAY MGL??!(!;!2!/!:

[minor cipher]

MGLs are so goated...

[burnt matrix]

MAJOR GOATED LEAGUE

I use MGL to launch Saturn games because I am too lazy to select the core and then select a game

[barren thistle]

and the bios 🙂

is there an easy way to generate the MGL files?

[burnt matrix]

Yah one second

[high bramble]

Yep. Ask Robby for them.

[minor cipher]

Robby is the goat of MGLs.

[burnt matrix]

https://github.com/wizzomafizzo/mrext

[high bramble]

Modular Goat Launchers

[burnt matrix]

Called Games Database

I make them manually by just copy pasting an existing one and changing what file it loads

Or use Favorites

[minor cipher]

i love MGLs because it really opens up a lot of room for customization. you can have it use a unique configuration, or share one with the main core, and the same with using the main directory or its own one

so any game with a funky one-off config, now you don't have to juggle anything

just load one file and bang you're back where you were with everything configured

[burnt matrix]

Yeah, because I am lazy (sensing a trend?) I use MGLs for my lightgun games to load a core with the lightgun config preset and ready

[barren thistle]

There is so much cool stuff going on in this community. I just wish it was a little easier to navigate / know what's going on

[minor cipher]

the documentation is generally rather good https://mister-devel.github.io/MkDocs_MiSTer/advanced/mgl/

[burnt matrix]

It’s made by programmers which has huge benefits (everything is open an extensible) but also downsides like there’s a lot of learned knowledge and secret options.

[minor cipher]

but it does have a significant learning curve

there's a lot going on

[burnt matrix]

Ohh I gotta update it for Saturn + Jaguar

[minor cipher]

as usual in these sorts of projects, functionality can get out ahead of documentation, esp with bleeding edge stuff

but it is really quite good overall now, lots of great examples in the documentation

credit to the contributors for that

being in this discord is also really the best way to keep up with the new stuff. discord's search tools are kind of abhorrent unfortunately, but you can usually find great info if you kludge your way through their search tools

[barren thistle]

I'm pretty familiar with open source projects, git/github, software development etc... I work in it lol

Thanks for the heads up on all of this though

[burnt matrix]

I learned Linux and made a GitHub account thanks to this stupid project

I’m in way too deep!

[barren thistle]

Nice, always happy to have more people who can understand bash

[burnt matrix]

I am the Kinux Ling!

[celest lake]

linux rots your mind. use a sensible OS like macOS

[barren thistle]

I'm all multi-platform. I have one PC which multiboots into windows/linux and a few macs and the nas i have runs on Linux

[exotic elk]

noooo it must all be fruit based
-- macusers

[wise brook]

yo, that’s neat, can they go in the favorites folder?

i’ve used favorites before but it never preset the controller for that specific game

[severe whale]

When was the last official Saturn core released?

[burnt matrix]

Whatever we got pinned - #1046941029296779344 message

[severe whale]

Oh that’s pretty recent

I thought it would be from last year

Usually it have taken a while until the official is updated

Haven’t been very active here lately. I noticed interlaced mode is implemented yay! What else is left for the core to get 100% status?

[balmy crag]

Speaking as someone who dips in and out occasionally to check progress, you could convince me it already is 100%. I think that’s going to be the experience of most casual users at this point

Speaking as someone who mostly plays SF Zero 3, Panzer Dragoon 2, and who occasionally dares himself to comprehend Nights

[burnt matrix]

Depending on who you ask it’s already 100%

It doesn’t support some mpeg card and to be frank it’s not high priority at all

Uhhh, it doesn’t have cheats but I’m personally not bothered at all by that

Some fringe bugs left to squash and improved ST-V support is all that’s really left.

Community has been pretty incredible at cataloging everything - https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues

[severe whale]

Interesting. How would the implementing the mpeg card even work. I mean it was a physical peripheral after all

[burnt matrix]

Probably replicating it in the FPGA and since the core has basically filled up the de10 nano and I think only one game used it (Lunar) it’s probably never happening on MiSTer

[polar mountain]

This core is more than 100%

It's a billion percent!!!

[winter phoenix]

One game requires it. Quite a few games use it

[wise brook]

including one of my absolute favorites, Vatlva

[burnt matrix]

Ohhhh ok, I’m full of shit. Sorry about that.

What’s the game that requires it?

[winter phoenix]

it's OK, it can be hard to keep everything straight

[high bramble]

Probably in much the same way the Sega CD and Sega 32X are implemented in the old Genesis core. Those were peripherals, too.

[winter phoenix]

the one you mentioned, Lunar's MPEG version

there's also a non-MPEG version of Lunar

[burnt matrix]

Oh duh, oops lol

I’ll look up the list of games that benefit from it

Thanks for chiming in!

[burnt matrix]

Ohhh that’s the super cool car battler Joe like game. Well it was first but that’s the only thing I can compare it to.

[ripe valley]

I want my cute babes from Wangan Dead Heat.

[burnt matrix]

MPEG card games:

• Chisato Moritaka disc
• Falcom Classics 1 (disc 2 of limited edition)
• GunGriffon 1 (JPN version only)
• Lunar Silver Star Story complete MPEG version (vcd card required)
• Moon Cradle
• Sakura Taisen Hangumi Tsuushin
• Sakura Taisen Nekki Radio Show (Steam Radio Show)
• Vatlva
• Wangan Deadheat + Triangle Love

[severe whale]

I have physical copies of Wangan and Lunar complete :0)

[burnt matrix]

And there’s a JVC card that lets you use photo cds and video cds. Paging @hallow fossil .

[severe whale]

The second CD of Wangan is just some clips of chicks sitting in sport cars

Lunar complete on the other hand requires the MPEG card. It won’t load otherwise

[winter phoenix]

you don't need the JVC version to play video CDs, just photo CDs

[high bramble]

That settles it then. MPEG card needs to be priority.
Get rid of SNAC support if you have to!

[winter phoenix]

video CDs were the main purpose of releasing the Video CD Card in the first place

[severe whale]

I would say MPEG card is worth implementing in order to play Lunar complete. Probably the best version of the game

[burnt matrix]

The PS1 version?

[high bramble]

PSP

[severe whale]

Saturn > PS1 version

[burnt matrix]

sorry it’s a running gag of mine, I just say the PS1 version is always better with zero basis in reality

[winter phoenix]

I'd like to point out that there’s a patch that improves Lunar's cinematics to be almost VCD quality without needing the card https://segaxtreme.net/threads/is-there-a-lunar-sss-patch-that-obviates-the-need-for-the-mpeg-card.25406/

[burnt matrix]

someone will always correct me, it never fails lol

[high bramble]

...at least for the time being. 😉
https://blog.playstation.com/2024/09/24/lunar-remastered-collection-launches-on-ps5-and-ps4-spring-2025/

[severe whale]

Too bad more games didn’t implement the MPEG card. Would have had much better quality of movie clips

[burnt matrix]

Woah what the hell, that’s awesome!

[winter phoenix]

yep

[ripe valley]

I was almost sure that Danthrax will talk about it.

[severe whale]

True but it’s not 100 % as good

[winter phoenix]

life isn't perfect, I guess

[burnt matrix]

@winter phoenix is Sega Senpai

[high bramble]

Two of my all-time favorite RPGs.

[severe whale]

Yeah I asked the guy and he said it’s not fully as good quality as with the mpeg card 😦

[burnt matrix]

One day I’ll play Lunar

[ripe valley]

The priority now is to fix some regressions on the last unstable and verify 2-3 things on the ST-V side.

[wise brook]

probably gonna be as disappointing as the “remastered” Grandia

[burnt matrix]

I think I’ve bought every release since PS1 going “one day I’ll play it”

[high bramble]

Yeah, probably.

I'll still get it.

[burnt matrix]

Ohhhhhh it wasn’t that bad! ||was it?||

[severe whale]

I wouldn’t bet on it lol

Game designers make the weirdest decision when updating old games

[wise brook]

it looks downgraded and like some of the soul was lost

[burnt matrix]

Well I bought it twice

lmao

[wise brook]

keeping us out of recession

[burnt matrix]

One day I’ll play Grandia!

[severe whale]

Thing is that Saroo currently doesn’t support MPEG card

So we are fucked

[wise brook]

have you had any chance to look into the Twin Mission SNAC ?

rather does anyone besides me have a Twin Mission setup?

[winter phoenix]

just a single mission peasant here

[humble epoch]

Yeah, there is a small difference but it’s close. The most noticeable difference is videos don’t use the full screen.

[burnt matrix]

I have a single mission stick and a virtual on stick

[wise brook]

one of the best things (i hope) the mister core will bring to the masses will be simple dual mission via modern controller.

PDZ deserves more folks experience its ultimate form

[winter phoenix]

That would be cool!

[burnt matrix]

One stick moves dragon the other stick aims reticle?

[wise brook]

yep

[burnt matrix]

very cool

I’d buy another mission stick but I need a Saturn Densha controller first

[wise brook]

even 1 stick only is cool, extra smooth control of the reticle

[burnt matrix]

Ohhhhh nice

Can you emulate twin mission stick via USB

Wondering if I can somehow get my PS1 twin analog stick to work via reflex adapt

[wise brook]

that’s something i’m hoping for soonish

[wise brook]

and this would be a great way to pull it off

a little more epic than just some DS5 controller

[winter phoenix]

Steel Battallion controller support when

[ripe valley]

None, as I'm pretty busy with my family right now and I will need to leave for the next 15 days after tomorrow.

I have neither take a look on the CD-ROM², nor the Saturn regressions so far.

[alpine pagoda]

it'd be fun to use the twin mission as a dual analog on the ps1 core too, it's such a nice setup, it's a shame it only works on 1 saturn game

[burnt matrix]

Omg I have that and I love it

The Xbox connection is still just USB right?

Just in a fancy shell?

[thorn pagoda]

yeah

you can get an adapter that replaces the existing xbox plug breakaway with plain usb

i think there's a pc driver for it?

tbh i don't think it would be that useful on mister since its so completely specific to steel batallion

one of the two sticks only has 1 axis iirc

[pearl harbor]

Honestly, the PS1 version really is good. Especially if you play a patched version that fixes some of the stuff Working Designs did to it.

[leaden dagger]

the unworking designs patch

yeah that;s great

[pearl harbor]

I also love the English voice cast in the PS1 games. And that'll never come to the Saturn version. But I fully expect to be crucified for that opinion.

[noble escarp]

Like this?
https://x.com/sonik_br/status/1668052384029835266

sonik_br (@sonik_br) on X

Steel Battalion Controller working on #MiSTerFPGA and on almost all devices with USB HID support! Super versatile device to use on MiSTer. Now I'm looking for interesting games to use it on PC.

X · Jun 12, 2023, 12:27 AM

[winter phoenix]

hells yeah, awesome

[hallow fossil]

Wow, that's impressive. Is that the original X-box controller, or a different PC version from the same era?

[noble escarp]

Xbox. I believe it was only released for ogXbox.

[hallow fossil]

That's what I thought

That's ace it can be used for other things including MiSTer

@jaunty snow that may be the perfect controller for that military tank simulator arcade game you added partial support for that had a million buttons

[noble escarp]

One of the sticks only move on the X axis. So it's not possible to use it as a real "dualstick" controller

[burnt matrix]

Whooooo, just finished updating my buddies Saturn core and he’s very happy with STV games!

[burnt matrix]

I told him I made all the MRAs and I had trouble getting it done because some guy named @warped saddle kept asking me Linux questions.

geeze louise

[minor cipher]

the only thing i miss for saturn still is 3d pad analog trigger support (outside of SNAC), but that's a main thing, not a core thing. still... that's the most important current omission from my perspective

[burnt matrix]

Yeah, I’m right there with you brother. You’re right it’s still a Saturn core omission but in my head I treat it as main only. I’ll ping Sorg about it again to see what he thinks.

[green pebble]

@river river wrote this script to handle setting up the core in the right place and download the mra files https://github.com/davewongillies/MISTer-update_stv

That user made a cool script to update the STV core, until the Update_all gets caught up

[river river]

👋 hey there, it me!

[wise brook]

👑

[green pebble]

I haven't used it yet, Caveat emptor

[wise brook]

sorry sir you dropped this

[river river]

@green pebble feel free to ask me any questions if you hit on any problems

[green pebble]

Yes, it is awesome, so I wanted to share! I did leave your name there!

[green pebble]

Thank you, I'll give it a swing later, but you made it so easy!

[burnt matrix]

Oh damnit I forgot about that script. Would’ve been perfect for me too!

[cobalt rune]

@burnt matrix speak for yourself man. I need those cheats in the Saturn core. I'm old man. My reflexes are the drizzling shits in 2025 I'm not beating Radiant Silvergun without a lil bit of assistance 😂

[wise brook]

stv radiant silvergun & set the coin button to rapid fire (32ms)

[burnt matrix]

True, I could do with some cheats too 🤣

[hearty marten]

“the drizzling shits”. That’s a new one to me! I’m definitely gonna use it at the next available opportunity

aka at completely the wrong time

[cobalt rune]

You can modify it too

Example

I got the drizzling shits like a god damned crippled goose

Me in my 20s... I don't need to damn cheats

Me at 43?

[hearty marten]

43? No wonder your shits are drizzling. You old!

[cobalt rune]

I might as well be a gamer with a cane at this point. 63??? Just bury me. It's over.

[hearty marten]

[cobalt rune]

I try not to abuse em. But make em more like quality of life improvements

Extra money in an rpg...or maybe double xp to ease up on the insane grinds

[celest hearth]

Ouch. I'll be 43 on Thursday.

[hearty marten]

Look at it another way - you’re sufficiently close to retirement that soon you’ll have plenty of time to git gud so you won’t need cheats

[cobalt rune]

I feel for ya buddy. It ain't fun

[cobalt rune]

I'll probably die 2 weeks after retirement 😂

[hearty marten]

(I’m not that far behind you guys. Just drizzling your shits)

[cobalt rune]

I work from home as is and game a ton so I can't complain to much

[celest hearth]

Better than 3 days before!

[cobalt rune]

Self employment has its perks

[hearty marten]

I feel like this every time I look at my pension contributions 😂

[cobalt rune]

Hahaha

[hearty marten]

Just my luck!

[cobalt rune]

I know the intangible that is my luckm

It ain't good

My voice is already starting to go and my job is my voice so that's a problem. I really should've taken an insurance policy out on it and I was like naaaaah that's something a total idiot would do. Now I'm like damn I should've done that maybe

[hearty marten]

Voice actor? Radio host? Podcast host?

[cobalt rune]

Phone sex operator

[hearty marten]

That one never occurred to me

[cobalt rune]

Hahaha basically voice actor

People pay me to humiliate them

Been doing it for 11 years now.

I was also featured on Howard Stern a couple times!

[hearty marten]

Nice!

[cobalt rune]

Was a lot of fun. Did a verbal beat down on Howard and Brutal Master

I imagine srg is at the button up phase of the Saturn core. He's put cheat support in his other cores.

Has anyone ever asked em by chance?

[hearty marten]

I think space has been pretty tight. Not sure if any of the work to separate out the STV from the Saturn core has left any room - although I suspect it’s just as full as it was before the STV stuff went in…

srg keeps cramming things into the DE10 as if it’s Mary Poppins’ bag

[high bramble]

It sure as hell doesn't get any better at 53...

I'm all about those cheats.
I've got other shit to do! 😄

[cobalt rune]

Exactly! Hey man tomorrow isn't guaranteed so I wanna finish and experience as many games as possible, and since this current generation is mostly terrible beyond belief, I'm catching up on the classics

[lofty spire]

ooo, does it work with Virtual On???

[tacit viper]

I agree, games are pretty terrible. Everything is made with Unreal engine and looks and feels the same.

[burnt matrix]

[high bramble]

Not to mention stutters the same... a wonderful Unreal Engine 'feature'.

[topaz tartan]

Documentation: the bane of any developer's attention span.

[noble escarp]

No, not suited for that. One of the sticks only moves on the X axis.

[vernal sun]

I have a whole stack of iso+mp3’s burned in the closet from the SegaXtreme FTP days in the early 2000’s. Shall we bring it back? My copy of Duke Nukem has Guns N’ Roses music added in even lol. Wild Wild West days!

[burnt matrix]

What the hell, that’s awesome LOL

[exotic elk]

cool

[vernal sun]

So I was like...16 maybe? at that point and I had no idea that Duke Nukem for Saturn didn't just have Guns N Roses music in it. It actually fit pretty well. Up to that point I had only played PC and the N64 version (N64 version, highly underrated!). I eventually found a bunch of different games that people swapped the music, or worse, downsampled it to where it was just awful sounding. Like 64kbps mp3. Those FTP servers were hosted by people at their house so you never really knew what you were getting. They'd break them up in 5-20MB chunks since downloading with 56k often got interrupted.

I do not miss those days at all. If someone has got into this any time in the last decade Redump is 100% the way to go.

[burnt matrix]

Dude Guns ‘n Roses totally fits lol

[twin canyon]

off topic, dorkman!

defend yourself

[burnt matrix]

You’re asking yourself to defend yourself?

[exotic elk]

unhinged

[twin canyon]

uh

i'm outta here! NINTENDO 4EVER

[naive whale]

Gimme that Meatloaf soundtrack

[slate karma]

I literally did a swap (or buy?) with someone else in Australia on SegaXtreme who sent me a bunch of burnt CDs. I had to use the disc swap method :/ Prior to that I managed to download the iso/mp3 of Radiant Silvergun via dial-up, which was about 10MB for the data and 300MB for the music. Took a month 😄

[burnt matrix]

Awesome, don’t think the statute of limitations has expired on that crime. Enjoy spending the rest of the year with your new cellmate, Yuji Naka!!!

[hearty marten]

Have the arcade fanboys finally left? 👀

[patent ingot]

No

[visual grove]

We will always be here

[high bramble]

Hey, you show those arcade veterans some much needed respect. You wouldn't have the advancements in console technology throughout the decades without arcade hardware pushing it further.

Well... except ST-V. 😏

[hearty marten]

I thank you all for having deep pockets and being foolish enough to dump your money into arcade machines enough that the manufacturers realised they could make easy money off you by making it so games ended as quickly as possible 😅

(I don’t actually dislike arcade games. They just don’t click with me as much)

[cobalt rune]

I can relate to that

[cobalt rune]

I've come to appreciate arcade games more as I'm older and just want a quick pick up n play experience

[hearty marten]

That’s me with retro games generally - many of which are derived from arcade mechanics (or just arcade games/ports)

[high bramble]

There was nothing quite like growing up during the 'Golden Age' of arcade games in the early-to-late '80s.

[cobalt rune]

I grew up gaming with the NES and then the Genesis. Man I wouldn't change growing up in that era for anything

[hearty marten]

I was the next generation. PS1/Saturn/N64 were “my” generation

[cobalt rune]

A good generation to grow up with as all

Next best thing in my opinion

The wild wild West era of gaming

[high bramble]

My first PlayStation pretty much killed any enthusiasm to go to arcades anymore. It truly felt like the 'aracde experience' had finally come home, after so many years of broken promises.

[cobalt rune]

Yeah. I hear ya. When I got my 3DO in 94 that's how I felt too

I was like ok why dump money into these now?

[high bramble]

Well, yeah... with the exception of Super Street Fighter II Turbo and Dragon's Lair on the 3DO.

[hearty marten]

It’s funny because for me that’s why I loved that generation a lot. Felt like games got a lot deeper/story driven rather than just trying to kill you as quickly as possible (derived from arcade mechanics)

[cobalt rune]

Yeah for sure

[hearty marten]

Obviously there were exceptions before that, but that generation finally felt like the generation where developers expected you to finish the game, rather then die 3 levels in

[cobalt rune]

For sure

I spent COUNTLESS hours on my 3DO playing Slayer, Immercenary, Space Hulk, Star Control II

[hearty marten]

But you’re talking to the man who took ~30 years to finally beat Alex Kidd in Miracle World and Sonic 1 😅

I’m a little surprised that the 80s computers aren’t a bit more popular on here. In Britain computers were probably bigger than consoles for a long while

[burnt matrix]

I like British micro computers

So cool

[hearty marten]

I feel like you had to be there 😂

[radiant karma]

STV was never on my radar, its only game I ever played in the arcades was vf remix. I had no idea at the time it was Saturn hardware.

[hearty marten]

Very vague memories for me

[burnt matrix]

I don’t think I ever saw STV in the arcades.

Was it Japan only?

[hearty marten]

I’d quite love if we could get a model 1 (or 2, but I guess that’s impossible?) core

[radiant karma]

Currently Sega model 2 is my most wanted fpga core not on mister. I keep a mini PC doing emulation just for those games. With a wheel and modern lightguns. Second would be Namco System 12 for Tekken Tag and Soul Calibur.

[frail token]

I saw it in the theater. I don't know how why it get such hate. I think it's a fun entry in the franchise

Maybe people don't like Spock having a half brother I guess

[patent ingot]

Haha most of us were here supporting Mister during its early stage too.

I see all of you arcade old heads 💪

[patent ingot]

Tandy1000 head here! Not British but old school pc

[patent ingot]

Die hard Arcade was all over here in SoCal during that time

[visual grove]

Yeah Die Hard was the only game I played here for STV

The Rubbermaid garbage can cabinet is memorable

They come up in FBM sometimes, you too can own a trash can with levers and buttons

[patent ingot]

lol yea

Here’s my non STV contribution for the day

[radiant karma]

So is STV ready for a stable release? I wonder if the dual sdram Saturn version will go stable as well.

[high bramble]

Total Commodore 64/128 fanboy here. I used my C128D(CR) for almost a good 10 years... until early '96. Never had an Amiga back then though.

[mortal mist]

I think the last part is the soundboard for Batman, which is being worked on by srg320

[green pebble]

Man that's awesome, I've been looking for a HD forever! Very clean and the disc to boot! Odd how it was a Saturn game, but not STV... seems like a miss on Sega's part!

[topaz tartan]

Truly, we would never be graced with goodness like Death Crimson ever again

[serene thunder]

This makes me have tingly feelings down below

[burnt matrix]

Like in your feet? Did you talk to a doctor about it?

[exotic elk]

I had that once

lost all feeling in my legs eventually

weird thing is I could still walk

I don't know how that works

stress related probably

[acoustic sable]

Sensory nerves are different from motor nerves. It is difficult walking without active sensory nerves for feedback though.
Happens to me occasionally if I sit funny on a specific chair here

Oh - that’s an answer to a different question

Yeah, stress can knock nerves out

[exotic elk]

aha

yeah it went up to my groin eventually

that was unnerving, pun intended

but later subsided

[exotic elk]

very interesting and strange

[acoustic sable]

Bodies are very poorly put together

[exotic elk]

maybe it's like the SATURN, multiple processing paths

[acoustic sable]

Completely separate data buses

[exotic elk]

yep

I don't trust autonomous-me, I don't know what he's up to

[acoustic sable]

Breathing, heartbeating, digesting… all very dodgy

[exotic elk]

spleen..ing

[acoustic sable]

Ew

[patent ingot]

I'm surprised you don't already have HyperDuel. Knowing all you guys from AP and Twitter, i felt I was the one catching up lol.

YEa, i agree should havve been an STV title 100%

Did Sega own Technosoft at the time?

[patent ingot]

just flow with it hahaha

[patent ingot]

Have you ever experienced the Stranger?

[green pebble]

Yeah, I have a huge list of left to get PCBs... if you ever want to sell or trade that bad boy...

https://www.arcade-projects.com/threads/do-you-have-these-games-for-sale-check-out-my-trade-list.33104/

But no, I don't think Sega owned them, for if they did, why not on STV!!! But there are other games like that too, like Elevator Action Returns on the SS, but in the arcade not on STV, rather Taito F3, even though the SS version is arcade perfect and could easiley have been on STV

[viral jungle]

Hey guys so my Saturn core doesn't load any more since the latest update all. It was working fine, haven't messed with anything. When I try to open it I get boot.rom loading and then black screen. None of my games will load, chd files, just a black screen when I try. And my other cores are working fine. Any advice? (Sorry if this doesn't belong here, new)

[celest lake]

it sounds like the bios is bad. did you change anything there?

[ancient surge]

Try the latest unstable build.

[patent ingot]

I will keep you in mind brother. no plans to part. one of those grails

You have a wonderful list to acquire

Do-Don-Pachi Saidaioujou is one I would love to get. not for $10k asking price from others.

I'd drop that once ive fulfilled everything else hahaha

ive toyed with the idea of getting the EXA version

[green pebble]

The Exa version is much better. I had both for a few months last year, the Exa one kills the PCB. The guy who owns Exa is an ass so I got rid of the system, but still. If you are going to spend the money, get the Exa one.

[patent ingot]

yea shoutime seems a bit much from what i see

[green pebble]

I was only borrowing the PCB, but now I'm going for a full set

lol, I'm an idiot

[patent ingot]

we all are brother, if people knew how much we dive in for thee fucking pcb's

[green pebble]

also, did you see my trade fodder at the bottom? In case I can pull that grail out of your grip...

also, I sent you a PM

[patent ingot]

I have these already:
Atomiswave Motherboard
Captain America and the Avengers
Dolphin Blue (Atomiswave cart, original not bootleg)
Mr. Driller
Spiderman the Arcade Game

This is the only one on trade id be willing to buy, not right now.
Guardians: Denjin Makai II

[winter phoenix]

Soooo I have a question that I can’t find the answer to. What are the STV’s MRA files and why are they necessary?

[viral jungle]

thank you, latest unstable works

[open swan]

MRA files are how you launch arcade games, they describe to the Main MiSTer binary how to load the rom parts into ddr3 or sdram, and various other things

https://mister-devel.github.io/MkDocs_MiSTer/developer/mra/

https://github.com/zakk4223/STV-MRA/tree/main/_ST-V - Zakk has them here

it's because the mame format is usually a zip file for the arcade game and a bunch of files inside representing each of the different mask roms on the board

check the pins here in this thread for links and guides

[green pebble]

No worries, Guardians is a very good, but inexpensive PCB. Any time you are ready, hit me up. If I sell mine, I can get you another pretty cheap.

[winter phoenix]

OK, so it’s an arcade game-specific thing that the MiSTer requires

What does MRA stand for? MiSTer ROM Attributes?

[drifting crown]

Maybe Robby’s American?

[high bramble]

MRAs are mostly arcade-specific. They have found limited use elsewhere, such as the C128 core.

[mortal mist]

Fix for the cut audio tracks

[naive whale]

I’ll see your board and raise you one of three boards that arrived this week haha. Battle Gear 2