Sega Saturn

[mortal mist]

try this

[worn nest]

This core works but not the latest build. What gives?

[rich violet]

I think these are just the issues that happen when the core is really full

[tacit viper]

trying, one sec

@mortal mist - Works perfect, ty!

[celest lake]

what's the "latest build". the one in #unstable-nightlies ? That one has timing issues. The build you're quoting is based on that build, but with the timings lined up

[tacit viper]

@celest lake - no, only issues with Jag core were the colors in predator mode+crt filter

[celest lake]

that's right

after a week, everything runs together

[tacit viper]

If anyone sees this message and needs help getting the OG Retroshooters working with saturn or any other core, DM me and I'll walk you through it. Might evenw rite up a quick guide for the various guns.

They all have their own setup procedure it seems.

Glad to finally having this work, was driving me insane 🙂

[mortal mist]

this core has ok timings

[tacit viper]

Still playing around with how to get a dead-accurate config for the calibration. Some videos you watch people say to do it until the numbers stop moving in the F10 screen, but I find aiming right where the top/bottom/left/right pixels are to the edge are best. Def needs a more intuitive way to calibrate these things.

[burnt matrix]

Sega Saturn is awesome because everyone here is awesome!

[worn nest]

Got it, all the games that were said playable except for Die Hard/Dynamite Deka worked. Those had the green screen after the Winners Don't Use Drugs screen

[naive whale]

except @sudden tusk he cant be trusted

[burnt matrix]

should this be pinned?

[mortal mist]

Core from Zet also works well, I don't see the need for it

[worn nest]

should we all be updated to this core?

[burnt matrix]

Whatever works for you is great.

[mortal mist]

Try #1046941029296779344 message

[worn nest]

In this case should we be using the update saturn script ?

[burnt matrix]

What's the update saturn script?

The one for STV?

[celest lake]

dave’s script

[burnt matrix]

oh shit I should've put it in the STV section, my bad

I just have it in the general questions post

[worn nest]

yes, I did update to this core so I think I'm good for now

Thanks everyone! One less pcb/darksoft multi to buy!

[burnt matrix]

Ok it's all cleaned uo. The STV post should be a one stop shop now for all STV info - #1046941029296779344 message

[tacit viper]

I wish I could go back in time and prevent whomever created THOTD port for the Saturn so we got a better port 😭

[burnt matrix]

Yeah it's really quite a shame but at least it still plays great. I think anyways?

[tacit viper]

Frames are pretty choppy in some areas

Life is good, I can play Corpse Killer on SegaCD

[autumn nexus]

The STV core is superb, good on the developers!!

[celest lake]

As always, if you want to support SRG directly: https://www.patreon.com/srg320

[thorn pagoda]

its not really that obviously a memory issue, it actually worked perfectly for a long time on single sdram before regressing

[burnt matrix]

Dude, thank you. That's genuinely such a great gesture that you posted that.

No new official MRA release but they were updated 5 hours ago by Zakk - https://github.com/zakk4223/STV-MRA

These are the submits:

• Update generated mras (interleave size bugfix)
• Merge pull request #4 from srg320/main
• Add Tecmo World Soccer (non-working for now)

These are the updated MRAs:

• Puzzle & Action- BoMulEul Chajara (JUET 970125 V2.00K).mra
• Puzzle & Action- Treasure Hunt (JUET 970901 V2.00E).mra
• Steep Slope Sliders (JUET 981110 V1.000).mra
• Tecmo World Cup '98 (JUET 980410 V1.000).mra
• (JP) Puzzle & Action- BoMulEul Chajara (JUET 970125 V2.00K).mra
• (JP) Puzzle & Action- Treasure Hunt (JUET 970901 V2.00E).mra
• (JP) Steep Slope Sliders (JUET 981110 V1.000).mra
• (JP) Tecmo World Cup '98 (JUET 980410 V1.000).mra

[celest lake]

^^ I don't think that's new. that's the release he did yesterday I believe

[burnt matrix]

Oh ok. It just popped up on my feed as being from 5 hours ago.

I can delete the post if you think it might confuse things.

[celest lake]

nah, I think it's best practice to make sure you're up to date. I assume it's the one Zakk did yesterday as dave's script didn't pull anything new

[rich violet]

There are 5 commits since the release yesterday: https://github.com/zakk4223/STV-MRA/releases/tag/release5

[burnt matrix]

Yeah the release is still from yesterday. I just peeked at the submit history.

[high bramble]

Yes, that is indeed new information that Robby posted. Those MRAs have been updated since Release 5.

[river river]

Sounds like we need to wait on zakk to cut a release, I'm sure he's got a good reason for not having done it yet

[high bramble]

Exactly. He may not be done with the changes/updates yet.

[celest lake]

ahh I see, they are new but not released

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-man-chris-pratt-gif-25731392

I’m more trustworthy than half the mofos up in here

[old pasture]

An updated MRA pack. Is there a new core again too?

[celest lake]

not yet. technically there isn't a new MRA pack as zakk hasn't cutt a release of the changes he made since revision 5

[sudden tusk]

@naive whale I’m not taking any crap from a dude who can’t even beat me in Matrimelee his own favorite fighting game!

Check M8!

[old pasture]

😂

[naive whale]

ill be in WI for MCG. Swing by and ill play you

[pearl harbor]

I trust your taco recommendations!

[past forge]

100% worth it

[tribal needle]

Btw, does anyone know why the MRA pack doesn't have a fix for Critter Crusher yet? The current one uses a wrong bios. It can easily be fixed manually and the game cannot be played without a proper controller, but for the sake of completeness, shouldn't this be fixed?

[old pasture]

Let's play Fightcade one day.

[burnt matrix]

Can you please submit a PR to the GitHub with that fix?

[tribal needle]

I'll need to restore my Github account for that as it's been long since I used it last time. Ok, will do.

[burnt matrix]

If it’s too much trouble I will gladly do it for you and credit you.

[tribal needle]

Not really, already working on it :). Thanks anyway! And I really don't think that I'm doing anything here that should be credited. I just used the recommendation from the compatibility spreadsheet to fix the MRA locally.

[burnt matrix]

Thank you so much. We all appreciate you finding that!

[tribal needle]

https://github.com/zakk4223/STV-MRA/pull/5 - done.

[burnt matrix]

Thank you very much!!

[sudden tusk]

What’s mcg ?

[sudden tusk]

Cheese head 4 life!

https://tenor.com/view/empire-i-got-you-brothers-lucious-terrence-howard-gif-20210575

[celest lake]

(Sailor) Moon Cosplay Gathering

[naive whale]

Midwest classic gaming expo p

Doing a solo panel

[tribal needle]

One more thing. Columns'97 is described as running fine in the spreadsheet, but I'm experiencing graphical artifacts with the latest core. The core from 18/02 is not affected, so this looks like a regression. Can anyone confirm that?

[celest lake]

Are you using this core: #1046941029296779344 message

[burnt matrix]

Are you talking about the falling columns pieces in the background of the main menu?

[tribal needle]

No, this one: https://github.com/MiSTer-unstable-nightlies/Saturn_MiSTer/releases/download/unstable-builds/Saturn_DualSDRAM_unstable_20250221_164d3a.rbf. I'll retest with the one from Zet-Sensei.

[visual grove]

“1001 ways to imply you’re doing people’s moms”

[tribal needle]

Both in the menu and in the game.

[burnt matrix]

I hope DrNoBrazil heckles you from the audience lmao

[burnt matrix]

Ok, didn’t notice any obvious issues to me in the game but it’s the first time I played it so I’ve got no clue haha

But the main menu the pieces look sliced

[naive whale]

He’s gone missing. I miss him

[tribal needle]

Yep, exactly. They should look like normal gems.

[naive whale]

Maybe he will show up to the new VGE project. Can’t wait for everyone to see it. It’s the biggest pivot since the history of pivots 🤣

[celest lake]

try zet’s core. the current bot build of the unstable is not meeting the timing requirements because the core is getting too full. zet’s builds are based on the unstable, but they meet requirements

[sudden tusk]

Right on!

[tribal needle]

The same issue affects Zet's core as well.

[celest lake]

lookin’

hrm, I just get operation of this cartridge is disallowed in your country

oh there we go, have to run it with the JP bios

[burnt matrix]

I used the MRA from the JP bios.

I was already committed to finishing my message lol

[celest lake]

lol

I feel that

yup, broken for me too

broken in attract mode too

[tribal needle]

This is another thing in the MRA pack that somewhat bothers me. Shouldn't this game be deleted from the US/EU list as it only runs with the JP BIOS?

[celest lake]

Zakk is the arcade expert. I'm just here to make his life harder

[tribal needle]

Like many of us :).

[celest lake]

snagged some screenshots. I’ll file it. You said it was good in the previous core?

[tribal needle]

Yep, I checked both. The previous one looked fine. I didn't notice any weirdness there.

[celest lake]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/370

leaderboards and stats are messed up too

having a scaler is so silly. I hit the screenshot button expecting these large images based on the image I have on my TV. but then it just squeezes out these little baby 480i images

[tribal needle]

Right, I noticed that too. Just thought this was not worth reporting.

[celest lake]

yeah, I dunno if it's helpful but, like you say, we noticed it so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[naive whale]

That’s a @burnt matrix problem. Promise large things and show up with baby sizes

[celest lake]

Yeah, that's what my mom said- wait, I don't think I'm doing this joke right

[ancient fractal]

I took a quick look at Astra SuperStars

[pearl harbor]

I mean, he's a fat baby connoisseur.

[ancient fractal]

(Just copying the patches from the Darksoft set)

[naive whale]

His nickname was “the inch worm”

[ancient fractal]

So that should probably work for all the 315-5881 protected games

Not sure if that would be kosher to include in the MRAs

[naive whale]

It’s a patch, not copyright applicable data. Should be wholly fine

Patches 99% of the time do not include any data that would qualify for copyright protection

We had all the N64 patches and those were fine per server rules. @burnt matrix can you weigh in?

[ancient fractal]

Well, I'm from Sweden and grew up in the 80s, so my stance is relaxed. 😄 But it's circumventing copyright protection so someone else would have to be the judge..

[naive whale]

Where about? I used to travel to Are for work. Sorry dunno what key to hit to make the circle over the R haha

[ancient fractal]

Åre is about as far from here going north as Italy is going south 😄

[naive whale]

Haha I loved it there. Stockholm is nice too

Went up for the Jon Olsson invitational for like three years in a row

Took the train from Stockholm to Are once. Same train that takes people to Hogwards in the movies

[ancient fractal]

Haha.. I read the train chapter from the first book to my daughter yesterday, so that's some odd synchronicity 😄

[naive whale]

Funny how live syncs up like that

[dry hinge]

Trying to get stv working, I think my bios is wrong? I just land on the test menu on continuous hardware test and I can’t seem to get out

Nvm just got it. Changed cart setting to stv

[tribal burrow]

So I have an old single ram build from mister fpga UK. Ordered in 2020, ram is 2.5, Analog IO 6.1.
Let’s say I want to migrate to dual ram for Saturn…
Is my cheapest/best route to try and grab a new IO board from Taki Udon and some new ram?

[burnt matrix]

Patches are fine, thanks for checking

Just can’t share MD5 hashes

They’re basically the code to the game.

[clear condor]

Only on Genesis. Saturn uses Saturn5 hashes, like the rocket

[high bramble]

Resized 500% in Paint.net using Nearest Neighbor scaling.

[celest lake]

Text is definitely messed up!

[high bramble]

I noticed that too earlier when I ran the game.

[celest hearth]

Same!

[naive whale]

You are basically the code to the game

Can’t share Robby

[worn nest]

Was this the latest mra or core?

[ancient fractal]

That was running a custom romset with patches from the Darksoft set.

[warped saddle]

those roms are pre-descrambled/decrypted

the 'patch' would be like 250k

[ancient fractal]

Astra SS's diff wasn't that large, surprisingly (a few bytes here and there for the eeprom, and a bit more significant changes on one of the ROMs, but far from the whole thing). but some of the other games probably have a lot more data scrambled

[warped saddle]

4584 hexdump lines

[ancient fractal]

Yeah, sounds like 250k of XML 🙂

[warped saddle]

it wouldn't be the biggest mra, at least

lol Wizard of Wor at 11MB

[mortal mist]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/355#issuecomment-2677819865

[burnt matrix]

[celest lake]

well there you go. if you can run grandia without flickering, you are a member of chosen

you will be our light in the darkness when all other lights go out

[burnt matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/segata-sanshiro-nod-yes-gif-5612081

[mortal mist]

For now, I don't think there is an ideal solution for Grandia and single sdram , but I welcome any improvement for this topic

[naive whale]

we just call it a "feature" and move on? lol

a bug is just a feature if you market it correctly after all

[celest lake]

@burnt matrix has had the solution all along: play it on PSX

[visual grove]

Just keep buying DE10s

[mortal mist]

Yeah haha

[warped saddle]

someone will have a single de10 with a little tag attached to it that says 'grandia'

[naive whale]

like how people sell PS4's with P.T. installed for a premium

[celest lake]

when you list your de10nano on ebay be sure to say “plays gradia on single ram without flickering R@RE”

[warped saddle]

I know what I have

[celest lake]

L@@K

[naive whale]

"Plays Virtual Hydlide....$1000. I Know What I Have"

[wise brook]

RARE

[celest lake]

Would you take 70 dollars and a barely used bart simpson bong?

[naive whale]

lol I love all the sellers use of the word rare. If you can just go on ebay and buy it any day of the week...shits not rare

rare is "I had to wait two years for the opportunity to locate one"

or "I had six saves searches across every online playform including YAJ and it took eight months for one to pop up"

[mortal mist]

Please don't send anyone advice like this because it's about to come true 🤣

[celest lake]

I don’t even look unless it says “L@@K”

[naive whale]

I am selling six MiSTer's with no flicker...$1500 each. RARE!

[celest lake]

just goes to show you how close to the edge SRG is pushing the hardware.

for the fucking saturn of all things

[warped saddle]

I once saw a serious craigslist listing for a truck

and it said "mint condition, needs transmission"

[naive whale]

" *transmission not mint"

[warped saddle]

those mint condition vehicles with failed transmissions

[naive whale]

I just sold my Sony FX3 and even though it was professional maintained by me and in excellent shape I was still like "its used"

dude asked "how many shutter actuations on it"...checked...."SEVEN" 🤣

[polar mountain]

Whenever I eat a mint I turn to my daughter and say "Now my mouth is in mint condition"

[naive whale]

dad status confirmed

[polar mountain]

She doesn't even react anymore

[naive whale]

I have no children so I make dad jokes to my wife and our pets

the humor doesn't land

[polar mountain]

Sometimes we have to do things just for ourselvez

[visual grove]

Embarrassing your children is one of the great perks of being a parent

[wise brook]

so, to the few privileged individuals who never had the grandia flicker, did you have any different experiences with VF2, Fighters Megamix etc etc)

i wonder if it’s as simple as a capacitor that changed on the de10 mobo

[visual grove]

What are the grandia flicker repro steps? Is it far into the game? I’ve never run that game even on my actual Saturn 😅

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/cheese-head-go-packers-gif-7600666

[wise brook]

from the moment you play it any time you’ve got a floor and wall service on screen they de-sync and tear

the cure is simple, 2nd sdram

everything else is square peg round hole thinking.

yes, this didn’t used to happen but the core was a lot less accurate (and smaller), less stuff worked right (and the chip was less congested).

if Grandia suffers on single ram for a better overall core it is worth it.

taki made a second new ram stick a lot cheaper anyway

[tender axle]

Hello, my sdram didn't passed memtest above 110Mhz, i bought a new one, can i do dual ram with this first sdram anyway ?

[wise brook]

ooof

that not a good number by any metric

won’t hurt you to try it as a second stick

but better to return/exchange if possible

[tender axle]

Will not fuck up the other ?

[tender axle]

not possible unfortunately ...

[celest lake]

@visual grove easiet way: #1046941029296779344 message

[wise brook]

as in “will this cause hardware damage?” no, I do not believe so

[tender axle]

No i mean to limit speed of the other one ?

[wise brook]

nah

[celest lake]

Nah, you’re good

It will probably fuck up

But it won’t hurt anything permanently

[tender axle]

Like ?

[celest lake]

Corrupted graphics, a crash

[wise brook]

more like it might make the core freeze if it fails to execute the required functions the core is expecting

[tender axle]

So better to stay on single tho

[wise brook]

like how the n64 games would crash due to latency without auto-patching

[tender axle]

My probs comes from this ...

I think ...

[visual grove]

https://www.tiktok.com/@tired_actor/video/6912855387788102918?pid=video_embed&referer_video_id=6912855387788102918&type=video&referer_url=amp.knowyourmeme.com/&refer=embed&embed_source=121374463,121468991,121439635,121433650,121404359,121497414,73319237,121477481,121487028,73456719,73347566,121331973,120811592,120810756,121503376;null;embed_share

[burnt matrix]

I mean honestly, yeah

Or not care that it flickers

[naive whale]

the split is happening eh?

[wise brook]

Hopefully this claws back some precious, precious logic elements for SRG

[burnt matrix]

Glad that the core is being split. Can have it function like a normal arcade core that way.

[celest lake]

Columns is fixed. We are saved!

[warped saddle]

core done

[celest lake]

3do wen

[wise brook]

my grandma loved columns, so you talk good about that game

[warped saddle]

so for some fun here

unstable nightlies isn't going to build STV

[celest lake]

I would never disrespect columns

just wild that I reported that bug yesterday and it’s fixed today

We need Zet to fire up the build machine

[rich violet]

I guess the CI will need to be updated to actually build the STV build

[wise brook]

i’ll be waiting to see you close it in good time

[warped saddle]

honestly I kinda wish it was a 2nd repo but maybe later

[celest lake]

I’m not a barbarian. I would never leave a bug report open

[warped saddle]

the SMS core does both arcade and console and it works because the wiki just has an entry in both categories for it

[rich violet]

That would probably make it more work for him

[wise brook]

unlike @tawny compass the slacker

[warped saddle]

so distribution maker copies the rbf to both _Console and _Arcade/cores

[wise brook]

Will the dedicated STV version remove the load disk when you boot from an MRA?

[warped saddle]

yes

[celest lake]

they probably have slow DDR3 too

[wise brook]

I think most of the abandoned bug reports are folks who never bothered to set up authentication and got locked out

Areku, you had a chance to test the fixes my dude?

[tawny compass]

Been pretty busy, in fact, I'm in class right now...

[wise brook]

https://tenor.com/view/bueller-ben-stein-ferris-buellers-day-off-ferris-buellers-dayoff-gif-5595229

[tawny compass]

Yes, they work great so far... BTW, I'm the teacher... 😩

[wise brook]

oooh, professor Areku

what’s the subject?

if i may ask

[warped saddle]

'how to use github'

[tawny compass]

Computer repairs and networking

[celest lake]

@ripe valley if you walk me through the settings like I’m 5 years old, I can help you build your seed 10 saturn builds

[warped saddle]

seed 10 may not work now!

[celest lake]

We have so many to choose from

its more the timings I’m concerned about. zet does some sort of magic to make the timings more strict

[naive whale]

once the build is out I can finally do a tutorial. I avoided it because I knew it would change

[warped saddle]

I'm going to change all the MRAs again, proper setnames and stuff

[ancient surge]

So I'm guessing the STV core will gut out the CD stuff to save space?

Or will it be retained for the single game that needs it?

[warped saddle]

I'm not sure the single game that needs it even uses the same interface

[wise brook]

could potentially gut every form of controller that isn’t digital unless I’m very mistaken?

[warped saddle]

and is probably unplayable even with the cdrom support?

[ancient surge]

So maybe the CD coding needs to be overhauled just for that edge case.

[warped saddle]

so you can use your fishing pole controller?

[ancient surge]

The children yearn for the water.

[warped saddle]

oh right

yeah, that game isn't happening

it has an mpeg decoder board

[ancient surge]

Ah, so the CD can get gutted without consequence then.

[burnt matrix]

Until some random dude starts demanding that it works on the core

[warped saddle]

AS A FISHING ENTHUSIAST....

[visual grove]

fpga is a joke, can't even virtual fishing game

[kind bough]

https://tenor.com/view/love-sad-crying-cry-crypto-gif-26287048

[warped saddle]

when I grow up I want to be / one of the harvesters of the sea / I think before my days are done / I want to be a fisherman

[north parrot]

and then the toys.. go winding dowwn

[ripe valley]

The STV core was building by itself but I can't access remotely now and can't take time at the moment.
Can't help at the moment, emergency at home.

I will leave some notes if we need them next time.

[ancient surge]

Single RAM failed to build?

[warped saddle]

no

it takes longer

[ripe valley]

Here you are, I must leave now.

Timings requirements met.

[celest lake]

Need to rename to saturn until the MRAs are updated, yeah?

[warped saddle]

yeah

[naive whale]

do we need new MRA files for the new core? Probably dont know that as of yet

[warped saddle]

you can run with the same ones as long as you rename it to Saturn.rbf. I don't think anything else changed

[naive whale]

bingo. Will do a tutorial today or tomorrow for later this week

now that STV has its final form

[burnt matrix]

Fun fact, if you rename it to “Saturn_ZakkSucks.rbf” it also works!

Can you block someone from accessing a GitHub?

[celest lake]

asking for a friend?

[warped saddle]

I'm about to find out

[burnt matrix]

LOL no

[naive whale]

can you block users on Discord?

[burnt matrix]

That’s what I was afraid of

[naive whale]

i only want Cotton Hill. Not Hank

[celest lake]

@river river you can remove the symlink part of the stv script

closed https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/370

[zealous karma]

So if I have used the update_STV script, what do I have to do so that it uses the new STV core?

[celest lake]

• delete saturn.rbf in /media/fat/_Arcade/cores
• download this and rename it to Saturn.rbf #1046941029296779344 message
• place the new Saturn.rbf in /media/fat/_Arcade/cores

[zealous karma]

Thanks but wont the script be updated to do that? its convenient to not have to do that everytime a new STV core comes

[celest lake]

eventually

but if you want to use the new core right now

that's what you need to do

[naive whale]

wont capture for a bit...any fundamental diff in core operation or is it just "same shit, no saturn support"?

[burnt matrix]

Pins updated, added the new STV core to the download core post - #1046941029296779344 message

working on updating the STV instructions now

[celest lake]

you don't have to pick the cartridge!

[naive whale]

you are such a good friend...always pinning the most important stuff

here have this...custom role

[ancient surge]

Does the STV core also require dual RAM for better accuracy?

[celest lake]

Are there two builds of STV?

[warped saddle]

yes, he just copied the same qsf files as saturn

[burnt matrix]

Ok instructions updated to account for the new ST-V core - #1046941029296779344 message

[naive whale]

single or dual?

[ripe valley]

Dual.

Single is here - #1046941029296779344 message

[naive whale]

perfect thx

[burnt matrix]

Ok updated pins with both ST-V cores

Thanks for making those, builds @ripe valley !

[wise brook]

was there ever an stv like 3do?

[naive whale]

not sure what you mean?

a 3DO arcade board? yes

[wise brook]

yeah that’s it

[celest lake]

Bacon is going to try to convince you that the M2 existed, but I read all the magazines in the 90s, so i know it does not

[wise brook]

just had the thought that now SRG has leapfrogged every mister developer to bringing us 3d arcade games

oh yeah, alec64

or were they all 2d games?

[wet hull]

Great that srg decided to split the stv and Saturn

[burnt matrix]

There’s some soccer game that’s polygonal

[wise brook]

did they ever make mra’s for it?

[burnt matrix]

Nah, you had to patch it to be an N64 game to play it

So technically not an arcade game on MiSTer

Same deal with the 64DD games too, had to patch em to be an N64 game

[ripe valley]

It was the most logical to split the core.

[wise brook]

how i wish the fzero expansion worked as intended

[naive whale]

lol I am bringing an M2 to MCG in april...swing by

I will have a deodorant and hand sani rule though lolol

[celest lake]

I’ll be ready

[naive whale]

ill be there Sat. I couldnt commit schedule wise to the full three days

[sudden tusk]

SEPARATE BUILDS!!

[sudden tusk]

You mean the Midwest gaming classic right ?

[celest lake]

I doubt I'll be able to make it but I'll bring malort if I do

[naive whale]

yep

MGC / MCG...i always get it confused

doing a 4:30 panel on rare and exotic hardware and ill have a 3DO M2 playable before / after. Probably Tobe! Polystars as I dont want to rig up a lightgun game. Too much risk of someone just yanking the fuck out of it since it wouldn't be in a cabinet

[celest lake]

you're brave

I dunno if I would let anyone touch anything remotely rare at a conference :p

[cobalt rune]

Where's this uh...M2 gaming happening at now??? 🤤

[naive whale]

they put them in cages so people cant touch the hardware, just the controls

[celest lake]

ahh ok

[naive whale]

ill bring up a demo M2 PCB set for people to hold if they want to; parts donor boards

[old pasture]

I see there are Saturn cores posted here
#unstable-nightlies message

Are we awaiting the separate STV builds?

[rich violet]

The CI will need to be updated to produce the STV builds

It probably just needs an STV one here: https://github.com/MiSTer-unstable-nightlies/Saturn_MiSTer/tree/main/.github/workflows

[naive whale]

capturing now. Fun stuff

[old pasture]

STV?

[naive whale]

yep

[old pasture]

Nice

[celest lake]

@old pasture Dual: #1046941029296779344 message
Single: #1046941029296779344 message

[ripe valley]

@celest lake was faster.

[old pasture]

I had fun streaming STV on Saturday.

[celest lake]

https://tenor.com/bkc6o.gif

[old pasture]

Thanks

[naive whale]

prolly do a tutorial today at 4 for the new core; compilation of newly working games for later

[old pasture]

Sweet, I'm knackered. I stayed up too late last night.
I wanna go home and sleep.

[celest lake]

@warped saddle are you planning on an MRA release today or is it not worth doing until new games boot

[sudden tusk]

Man I might have to make that!

[warped saddle]

I probably will, although I anticipate a bunch of people not realizing they have to come here for the ST-V build

[celest lake]

such is our lot in life

[naive whale]

ill explain it at 4

[ripe valley]

That's a problem.

At least, @burnt matrix could you ping those ST-V builds ?

Dual - #1046941029296779344 message
Single - #1046941029296779344 message

[warped saddle]

be sure to also tell everyone to rename them to ST-V.rbf. If the CI ever starts building them the _seed10 naming is probably going to cause issues

[naive whale]

not saturn.rbf?

thats what I did to get it running per usual

[warped saddle]

with the current mras, yes

[naive whale]

so it will change in the future to ST-V.rbf? I will make mention in the vid

[warped saddle]

yeah, seems sensible

[naive whale]

I am going to tell them to put two cores in the folder then...saturn.rbf and ST-V.rbf. Create two with diff names so they are future proofed

@warped saddle can you make the MRA zip unzip to JUST the _STV folder? I am going to tell people to NOT copy the root folder but the nested _MRA in but I feel like people will still screw that up

[warped saddle]

the zip file puts everything in _ST-V already?

[tender axle]

Yes

[naive whale]

it unpacks to my system as STV-MRA

then inside is _ST-V

[warped saddle]

fix your shit

is this some windows thing?

[naive whale]

lol whats wrong with my shit? thats what 7zip does

[warped saddle]

yeah, I can't 'fix' that unless I name the zip file ST-V.zip

sorry, _ST-V.zip

[naive whale]

ok I will just tell people

[warped saddle]

I like how they had to do that probably because people kept unzipping massive zip archives into like C:\

[naive whale]

edit done. Onto VO for 4. Help the masses not fuck it up (and they still will lol)

also @burnt matrix you are in Funky Head Boxers. Looks like you!

[burnt matrix]

Thanks for the ping! I actually pinged it the moment you posted them lol

Or do you want me to post that in #test-builds ?

[prime hare]

I’ll prob do an update stream tonight now that the majority of games are working.

[river river]

I took at swing at adding the build configs for ST-V to the unstable nightlies repo: https://github.com/MiSTer-unstable-nightlies/Saturn_MiSTer/pull/1 @devout dawn Is this something you can look at?

[tender axle]

Is this the STV version ?

How to have it without gfx glitches ?

[ripe valley]

Some protection patched version for Darksoft MultiKit.

I've not tested it so far or checked it.

[round trout]

Was gonna try this ST-V thing am I correct in thinking the ST-V option in the saturn core has gone from the latest unstable?

[ripe valley]

Yes, gone.

[tender axle]

Let me check

Indeed

[round trout]

right thought I was going nora batty for a sec there hopefully be re-added soon

[ripe valley]

You need to use the STV separate core now.

[round trout]

Where do I get that?

[river river]

I've updated my update_stv.sh script to only update the MRAs for now. I'll update it again when/if unstable nightlies starts producing ST-V core files

[round trout]

I think I understand. OK i'll hold fire

[pearl harbor]

I said this the other day! It's true!

[warped saddle]

I guess I should not release new MRAs until unstable CI actually builds ST-V?

the git repo is now updated, but the zip releases are not

[somber jacinth]

Forgive my ignorance, but I see the core is split now. Do I need 2 instances of the same core? Eg 1 renamed stv.rbf in arcade core folder and one named Saturn.rbf in the console folder as usual?

[naive whale]

not exactly; saturn will go into the consoles folder per usual. ST-V is now its own separate core that will live in the arcade cores folder

right now it works as saturn.rbf but according to @warped saddle it may become ST-V.rbf so my advice is to make a copy of the core currently and name it ST-V.rbf and place it into the arcade cores folder along side saturn.rbf...so when the change occurs you already have the newly named file ready to go and need to change nothing

or I feel like that is the easiest future proof method

[celest lake]

If you want to play with the updated core. grab the core up [here](#1046941029296779344 message), rename it to saturn.rbf, and then put it in the _Arcade/cores folder

this will change in the (hopefully near) future, where we will get 2 builds from the unstable bot, and you won't have to rename it

but if you want to play right now that is how you do it

[somber jacinth]

Ok guys thanks. I think I'll hold fire for a while and see what happens- if my excitement will allow it.

[celest lake]

I don't want to yuck your yum, but if you really want to play the STV games you can....just play the saturn version 😄

[naive whale]

and uploaded for 4. Fun times

[somber jacinth]

I been playing with the core and mras from the weekend. But things are moving so quick I'm happy to wait a day or two and see what happens

[celest lake]

SRG is a machine

[devout dawn]

Check the PR

Thank you for putting the work 🤩

[rich violet]

@river river Something weird on the PR: It's adding srg320's commits again

https://github.com/MiSTer-unstable-nightlies/Saturn_MiSTer/pull/1/files

[river river]

I did a rebase and messed it up

[frail token]

I can't beat anyone in my favorite games lol

There's no worse feeling either

[rich violet]

Rebased on the main branch from the wrong remote?

[river river]

its fixed now

[patent ingot]

Renaming that file required? Works just fine dropping into the arcade/core folder just like all other cores in the past. I don't ever recall any dependencies previously.

[rich violet]

Maybe it needs CORE_NAME as well?

[sudden tusk]

If it’s your favorite game than keep practicing ! Eventually you’ll beat someone and than another !

[river river]

Yup https://github.com/davewongillies/Saturn_MiSTer/actions

Its chugging away now

[rich violet]

Awesome

[rich violet]

ST-V build failed with: " cat: /project/output_files/ST-V_DS.rbf: No such file or directory"
-- https://github.com/MiSTer-unstable-nightlies/Saturn_MiSTer/actions/runs/13505165157/job/37732957840

[river river]

Hmmm looks like that combination didn't produce the required files https://github.com/MiSTer-unstable-nightlies/Saturn_MiSTer/actions/runs/13505165157/job/37732957840#step:3:5113

[devout dawn]

Yep, taking a look

[river river]

I'll leave the rest to you from here 🙂

[tender axle]

i've clicked, but no 3DO's core was downloaded ...

[burnt matrix]

lol sorry, was just setting up formatting for the pins. Didn’t know you could hyperlink text on discord.

[stiff patrol]

Count yourself Lucky

[devout dawn]

Looking good now #unstable-nightlies

[celest lake]

Nice work @devout dawn!

@warped saddle release the hounds zip

[devout dawn]

Kudos to @river river for the initial push

[rich violet]

@devout dawn Regarding this: https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/332#issue-2793255858
The closest we have to an answer from srg320 is probably this comment:

The game intro code is programmed in such a way that it depends on the accuracy of RAM-H access speed. Here we need absolute accuracy of RAM-H reading by the CPU (that none of the emulators have). To provide such precision is possible only in a dual sdram build.
-- https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/251#issuecomment-2482401756
And more recently (today):
In single sdram build ddr3 memory is used more intensively and the speed is not enough for the core to work accurately.
-- https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/355#issuecomment-2677819865
So I think he considers the Dual build to be the best

[river river]

update_stv.sh has been updated to handle the new file names too

Note: Looks like Unstable_Folder_MiSTer still needs to update for all the pieces to work seamlessly

[celest lake]

Dual ram supremacy. The tube men cower at our memory bandwidth

[pallid pier]

so are the discussions of ST-V going to be in another thread?

[devout dawn]

Apparently somebody is working in some changes coming to the firmware to do some special handling with the dual ram cores, so I'm waiting for that to happen before distributing the dual ram versions

[rich violet]

Okay, cool

[celest lake]

I don’t say this enough @devout dawn, but thank you for all your work with this stuff. You really make the mister experience so much more enjoyable and easy. I don’t think I would have dipped my toe in if update_all didn’t exist. As a new user, it just makes shit so much more approachable

[devout dawn]

Btw, @rich violet I've seen how you took your time with the emojis haha

[sacred goblet]

Thanks for your work. The script copy the saturn rbf already downloaded with update_all?

[devout dawn]

I appreciate your support man!

[wet hull]

Yeah, theypsilon is 🐐

[river river]

The latest version will make a symlink named /media/fat/_Arcade/cores/ST-V.rbf. If you've previously copied Saturn.rbf there you can leave it, it won't do much besides take up room

[green swift]

MiSTer wouldn’t be anywhere near as popular as it is without Update_all

[celest lake]

It cannot be overstated enough how powerful it is to just have something that you can click and, regardless as to how “plugged in” you are to the community, you will just get the latest stable cores (and the folder structure) all set up for you.

[pearl harbor]

This latest STV update is awesome. I'm glad that you can finally set each game's OSD settings individually now. Allows me to do unique button mapping for games like Guardian Force (L and R for rotating your aim).

[sacred goblet]

I ran it but the script search a rbf named ST-V_DualSDRAM_unstable*.rbf and does not find anything.
Update_all does not download these RBF automatically. It only download saturn core single and dual in unstable folder

[naive whale]

You know left from right in Wisconsin? Impressive

[river river]

The file that references ths ST-V files only just updated 8 minutes ago. Try running update_all again 🙂

[sacred goblet]

Ah ok!

[river river]

Then the last piece of the puzzle is for zakk to cut a new release with the updated mra files

[pearl harbor]

That would seem impressive for someone who lives in Illinois!

[warped saddle]

I just did that

every game has a setname and generic button labels now

and it at least tries to skip buttons that don't exist according to mame

so it won't ask you to map button 4,5,6 on a 3 button game

[upper dust]

If anyone is using a composite CRT, then you'll need to duplicate the Saturn values with ST-V in front of the timings to reduce dot crawl in the yc.txt file, until @kind stump updates it

[sacred goblet]

Run update_all and stv* rbf appeared :-). Now stv_update find rbf file.

[naive whale]

Still only comes down with stv_update yeah? Not just standard update all?

[sacred goblet]

update all download ST-V Dual and Single unstable core in "unstable" folder. Then stv update copy the choosen core in arcade core folder

[winter phoenix]

wow, he split STV off of the Saturn core. Makes sense, though, I suppose

I wonder how much room that gets back

[sacred goblet]

New problem. Now when i try to launch stv game nothing happens. ST-V core is present in arcade/core folder :

[river river]

@sacred goblet when you ran update_stv did it also download some new mras?

[tender axle]

I ran update_all but no ST-V core came 😢

[river river]

fwiw I just tested it and its at least working on my MiSTer

[sacred goblet]

The script prompt was displaying MRA's version 6 downloaded

[stiff patrol]

it takes time for the distribution to update for update_all

[river river]

update_all will only download it if you have unstable nightlies configured

[tender axle]

Yes i have

[river river]

Depending on what time you ran it its possible it wasn't in the db file yet

[naive whale]

Ok cool. My tutorial manual copy and naming conventions will work for people

[naive whale]

Do we even have updated mra sets yet for the new name? Last I knew we still have the file set referencing Saturn.rbf

I told people in the tutorial to add the core twice; one named Saturn.rbf and one named ST-V.rbf

[river river]

Yep zakk dropped release 6 with the updates https://github.com/zakk4223/STV-MRA/releases/tag/release6

[naive whale]

So when the change over occurs it works both ways

Ok cool

[sacred goblet]

It seems my MRA are correct :

[naive whale]

Added an extra note to the vid description so people will know

[sacred goblet]

After rebooting everything works properly

[tender axle]

hum

how to config for unstable nightlies in update all ?

[river river]

https://gist.github.com/davewongillies/5794a63753ce25d8d5ff17f8ab7d86a7#file-readme-md

[tender axle]

Thanks

[burnt matrix]

Updated the pins with cleaned up link formatting. Let me know your thoughts before I propagate that to all the other channels.

Can someone who’s kept up with chat tell me which is the STV build I should pin? I assume the latest ones in #unstable-nightlies ?

[celest lake]

yes

unless there were reports that the timing is bad on those

but I don't think anyone said anything

[tender axle]

@river river i've updated via your script, games are launching, but i cannot find the rbf in cores folder ?

[celest lake]

@river river looks like the script is still linking saturn

'/media/fat/_Arcade/cores/Saturn.rbf' -> '/media/fat/_Unstable/Saturn_DualSDRAM_unstable_20250224_143df2.rbf'
Checking STV-MRA for latest version
New version Release 6 found, downloading release asset...```

[river river]

It shouldn't be: https://gist.github.com/davewongillies/5794a63753ce25d8d5ff17f8ab7d86a7#file-update_stv-sh-L40

[coarse token]

ln --symbolic --force --verbose ${stv_rbf} /media/fat/_Arcade/cores/ST-V.rbf

[celest lake]

that's a freshly downloaded script ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rich violet]

They look good to me! 📌

[celest lake]

I wonder if the version that comes down with the zip is giving me an older version?

[river river]

Weird

[celest lake]

ok, not sure what happened, but copy/pasting the script worked fine

[river river]

So the script creates a symlink, I have no idea how or if that shows up when you open the SD card on a Windows machine sorry

[chrome chasm]

Quick question for anyone that knows, now that the ST-V core is separate, how would it be named in MiSTer.ini for per core options, like a custom Main, Would this be right?
[ST-V] main=MiSTer_unstable

[naive whale]

So many changes today haha. Been interesting keeping up

[burnt matrix]

Ok cool, thanks for checking! I’ll get going on the other threads.

[naive whale]

A brave new Saturn frontier today

[slow crypt]

Hello, how are you?
Has anyone managed to use the latest version of SV-T? After they separated Saturn from ST-V I can't use the last core

[celest lake]

check the pins @slow crypt

[tender axle]

Makes me wanting to spend some money into a SuperSEGA FPGA

[slow crypt]

pins?

[naive whale]

Suoersega is much easier when it comes to running STV. IT CANT DO IT BECAUSE IT DOESNT EXIST 🤣

[celest lake]

you’re just a hater

[celest lake]

#1046941029296779344 message

[tender axle]

Yeahhh i have same opinion

🤣

[slow crypt]

ahhh need raname to SATURN.RBF

[visual grove]

Do the needful

[river river]

Looks like this should be updated to say "name it ST-V.rbf in step 2.

[celest lake]

@warped saddle Looks like batman only allows you to bind 2 buttons (but it’s a 3 button game) - not sure if that’s an MRA thing or not

[slow crypt]

I renamed the rbf, now the game almost starts, but it says cartridge error and the option to change the cartridge is gone

[river river]

@slow crypt did you get the actual unstable ST-V rbf? #unstable-nightlies message

[warped saddle]

looks like mame is wrong, wtf

[slow crypt]

I took it but replaced it with this one or would I have to leave it there?

before it worked

[warped saddle]

oh wait no. wtf

[celest lake]

I thought it might be an “up for jump” situation but it is not

[burnt matrix]

Oh dude, thank you! I forgot to update the instructions.

[warped saddle]

guess that doesn't include the start button, but it helpfully says radiant silvergun is 4 buttons for some reason which confused me

[warped saddle]

run your stv update thing or whatever. fixed the button thing

[high bramble]

Thank you very much for all your work on the MRAs.

[naive whale]

that can happen too depending on the game files you use and the region

I showed Winter Heat doing it in the tutorial that goes out in 3 minutes

when you get the error and end up at the STV bios splash screen

[slow crypt]

now, when i click in anyone game, nothing happens and I'm thrown to the mister's home screen

"click"

finally!

I achieved

[river river]

@slow crypt what did you do to fix it?

[prime hare]

Man, you guys are chatty. Is the most recent single ram ST-V still pinned?

[celest lake]

Follow these steps and you'll always be up-to-date https://gist.github.com/davewongillies/5794a63753ce25d8d5ff17f8ab7d86a7

(until something in the release process changes)

STV is its own core now

[prime hare]

lol

I'm in the know. I just want to make sure I am using the latest built of the ST-V core. The latest unstable was posted at 2:50pm

[celest lake]

yeah

that's the only one so far

[prime hare]

okay, so my controls are not being saved between ST-V games. Also, when defining buttons within the OSD it only asks for buttons 1-3. ST-V has 6 button games.

I deleted old config and map files

[river river]

Maybe run update_stv again? Zakk just pushed out a new release of the mras with more buttons (don't know about the saving of buttons though sorry)

[prime hare]

I grabbed the latest Zakk collection

[river river]

Got any examples of games that need more buttons? The number of buttons vary from game to game. They don't all have 6 buttons

[prime hare]

I see a newer one

https://github.com/zakk4223/STV-MRA/releases/tag/release7

[river river]

Yes that's the one I was talking about

[warped saddle]

it's like any other arcade core now. settings are per 'setname'/mra and it wont' ask for every button for every game

if mame says the game is 4 buttons, it asks for 4

[prime hare]

good to know

[tight haven]

I popped in at the right time lol. Exactly what I was trying to confirm myself

[burnt matrix]

pins updated

[prime hare]

all 15 pins

[river river]

Is there a fix for this Please check game cartridge error?

Got this with Columns '97

Oh this is one of those ones which has the disallowed in this country error

OK, so load the version in the JP Bios folder

[alpine pagoda]

Seems like coin doesn’t get auto mapped to anything now, just start and the action buttons, could that be fixable?

[naive whale]

Yes when you see that 9/10 times it’s just a region issue and you pick the other MRA

[river river]

Seems like DaeJeon! SanJeon SuJeon is sad for both

[worn nest]

The files in the darksoft folders are file.01. Did you rename them accordingly based on the file extention?

[prime hare]

Live with some ST-V https://twitch.tv/owlnonymous

[worn nest]

Astra SuperStars still corrupted correct?

[naive whale]

If you don’t play Maruchan De Goo and tell everyone I made you were no longer friends

[naive whale]

Yes unless you use a patch

[worn nest]

Where can I find said patch? I have both darksoft sets

the 2019 and the Dark Knight versions

[restive thorn]

yeah not sure why these mra exist, maybe there is a good reason

[naive whale]

They call a diff bios file from stvbios.zip

That zip contains basically every bios that was used on STV so having alt MRAs call for diff files that are required for those versions of the game

Vs you loading up bios files manually in the core and hoping you guessed the right one / kept a chart handle near you

[tawny compass]

Testing the new STV mras, now they behave like individual cores, like arcades. That was intended, right?

BTW, Batman Forever has no sound, and button 1 does not work.

[restive thorn]

yea but im talking about talking about mras that try to load region locked roms with the wrong bios

[restive thorn]

that game has a bespoke sound board i think

it may never get sound

dunno

[mortal mist]

Batman needs additional hw component for sound, not implemented

[river river]

Looks like a known issue in the compatibility tracker spreadsheet

[burnt matrix]

Yes.

[restive thorn]

just like every other arcade game on mister

[tawny compass]

That's cool to know, thanks guys, bummer about Batman though...

[burnt matrix]

The Saturn version works great

[restive thorn]

you can paly it on saturn

[celest lake]

@warped saddle Not sure if it’s an MRA thing but you can map all three buttons in batman, but only 2 work

if it’s not, I’ll file it

[tawny compass]

I did map them, but just button 1 is not working

[celest lake]

yeah, they weren’t map able until release 7

but you’re right

the button still doesn’t work

[tawny compass]

Gotta redownload, erased it since the STV version booted, only to find out about the sound... 🤦‍♂️

[river river]

Its listed as a known issue in the spreadsheet. Not sure if there's a github issue for it though

[tawny compass]

Is there a way to rotate the screen in order to play Shienryu? Shows only in TATE...

[river river]

Go into service mode, then system assignments

[tawny compass]

Tried that, but only the BIOS rotates, the game itself keeps TATE

[river river]

lol ok, yeah I see that

Time to fire up the rt4k

[celest lake]

well until release 7, you couldn’t even bind all 3 keys. zakk fixed that, but I am unsure if the button not working is an MRA thing or a core thing

[tawny compass]

???

[river river]

The spreadsheet says it was reported in mra release 5 and the button mapping tweaks happened in release 6 so to me it sounds like a core issue

[river river]

!!!

[celest lake]

this specific button issue was fixed in release 7 #1046941029296779344 message

[high bramble]

More button tweaks occurred in Release 7...

[celest lake]

it’s buttons all the way down

I suspect it’s core too

[high bramble]

👀

[tawny compass]

Out of my budget right now... 😩

[river river]

My point was more that prior to release 6 the MRAs had no specific button config, so they allowed mapping of all buttons, and the problem existed back then. So that says to me its likely not to do with the MRAs.

[river river]

Until then
https://tenor.com/view/capisce-owl-blink-tilt-head-huh-gif-16568093

[tawny compass]

Inverting the controls somehow works, kinda like an horizontal SHMUP...

And I'm sure owls don't blink like that...

[burnt matrix]

You don’t get to decide that

||im just joking around lol||

[tawny compass]

I'll stick with the Saturn version in the meantime, but looks really weird compared to the original arcade.

[celest lake]

ahh yeah, good callout

[pearl harbor]

Yeah, the Saturn version being in 480i makes it unplayable for me on anything but a CRT. That's why the STV version is so good. Hopefully eventually it will get a screen rotation option at some point now that the core is separated from the Saturn core.

[naive whale]

Can someone help me? I can’t get Quest 64 to work in the STV core

[high bramble]

You have to set the cart type to 'N64'.

[pearl harbor]

Robby is rubbing off on you!

[naive whale]

Robby’s mother is a saint

Oh wait you said rubbed off. Diff meaning!

Haha now that one person has seen the joke I’ll delete it 🤣

[pearl harbor]

lol

[high bramble]

I saw nothing...

[pearl harbor]

I saw something...

Screen shot'd it.

[high bramble]

Money shot'd?

[pearl harbor]

Close enough.

[prime hare]

@naive whale playing it

[naive whale]

🤣

[naive whale]

Nice. Have fun. The platforms hidden gem imo. Honestly

[high bramble]

Yeah, I'm thinking some buttons aren't wired correctly in the core as well.

According to stv.cpp in MAME, Batman Forever (batmanfr) uses PORTA and PORTB inputs... but the first button is skipped on both ports for the button assignments.

PORT_START("PORTA") STV_PLAYER_INPUTS(1, BUTTON1, BUTTON2, BUTTON3, BUTTON4)

PORT_START("PORTB") STV_PLAYER_INPUTS(2, BUTTON1, BUTTON2, BUTTON3, BUTTON4)

This is how the buttons are assigned for Batman Forever:

PORT_MODIFY("PORTA") PORT_BIT( 0x01, IP_ACTIVE_LOW, IPT_UNUSED ) PORT_BIT( 0x02, IP_ACTIVE_LOW, IPT_BUTTON1 ) PORT_PLAYER(1) PORT_NAME("P1 Jump") PORT_BIT( 0x04, IP_ACTIVE_LOW, IPT_BUTTON2 ) PORT_PLAYER(1) PORT_NAME("P1 Punch") PORT_BIT( 0x08, IP_ACTIVE_LOW, IPT_BUTTON3 ) PORT_PLAYER(1) PORT_NAME("P1 Kick")

PORT_MODIFY("PORTB") PORT_BIT( 0x01, IP_ACTIVE_LOW, IPT_UNUSED ) PORT_BIT( 0x02, IP_ACTIVE_LOW, IPT_BUTTON1 ) PORT_PLAYER(2) PORT_NAME("P2 Jump") PORT_BIT( 0x04, IP_ACTIVE_LOW, IPT_BUTTON2 ) PORT_PLAYER(2) PORT_NAME("P2 Punch") PORT_BIT( 0x08, IP_ACTIVE_LOW, IPT_BUTTON3 ) PORT_PLAYER(2) PORT_NAME("P2 Kick")

If you change the buttons section in the MRA to this:

<buttons names="-,Jump,Punch/Gadgets,Start,Service,-,-,-,Test,Coin" />

by skipping the first button assignment, 'Jump' and 'Punch/Gadgets' line up and respond appropriately in-game (as do 'Start', 'Service', 'Test', and 'Coin', so those were already in the correct positions), but I've tried assigning 'Kick' to all of the other unassigned spaces (-) and it simply doesn't work in-game.

[celest lake]

Gonna wait for Zakk to chime in, just to be certain. If it’s a core bug, I’ll file it.

[burnt matrix]

Time for Logic Puzzles!

[river river]

@burnt matrix when you've got a moment can you update the link to update_stv in your pinned post? I've moved it to https://github.com/davewongillies/MISTer-update_stv

Its a real boy now and can be updated using update.sh/update_all.sh

[high bramble]

Input Test that doesn't include joysticks and action buttons? 🤔
Yeah, that's real helpful...

[north parrot]

also to note the credit button on a MiSTercade won't map into the STV core, not a big issue since i can just map a different button though

[static jetty]

you mean the coin button on an arcade cabinet via mistercade? my coin works fine for stv, i mapped inputs for the core as normal and its fine. service and test was confusing to map but also works.

[north parrot]

hmm weird, yep mistercade in an astro city, the core wouldn't register the credit button

[exotic elk]

very @burnt matrix

and again

[wise brook]

love

[sacred goblet]

ST-V Decathlete is not working for now? Have to wait core update or there is a trick?

[wise brook]

it’s not broken, you’re just finally seeing thru the matrix

https://tenor.com/view/neo-the-matrix-bruh-taking-glassess-off-matrix-gif-5931061463820897890

[warped saddle]

the Batman thing is a core bug I guess. even if I revert to previous unified build and MRA and map every saturn button, kick doesn't work

[rich violet]

That was already linked in the pinned ST-V info post: #1046941029296779344 message 📌

[north parrot]

any tips on what to google for the japan region STV bios?

[high bramble]

Look for stvbios.zip from MAME 0.258 ROMs set or higher.

[north parrot]

thanks

[high bramble]

0.274 is the latest.

[north parrot]

that did the trick thanks! so many stvbios.zip's out there!

[high bramble]

There are a lot of MAME versions out there. 😉

[burnt matrix]

Thank you. I did edit the ST-V comment to make that link a little more obvious though so people don’t miss it.

Unfortunately there’s so much important info on the Saturn core that the pins are getting pretty dense.

[high bramble]

Quite girthy...

[quick sorrel]

As my niece says, Fega Faturn
Girthy Saturn 🤓

[lofty spire]

hell yeah, the girthiest console of its generation

[wise brook]

off topic but i’ve gone down a rabbit hole on photosensitivity

was playing some japanese games with really flashy fmv cutscenes and got to thinking about the porygon pokémon incident

[upper dust]

Especially on big TVs we have today. I always have offset lighting on anything bigger than 42" or has HDR

[wise brook]

i’ve just watched the episode

it’s great (in spite of the incident) , i was wondering the whole time when the moment would happen, it kinda happens a few times in the second half of the episode.
but really goes all out with pikachu’s final attack

4 and a bit seconds of near full screen red/blue flashing

the tenchi muyo opening had something like that but less so

[burnt matrix]

The over correction for the US Pokemon cartoon was funny.

[wise brook]

the animation being cut down to 4 frames a second and having a dark filter slapped over it

[ancient surge]

Electric Soldier Porygon was never dubbed outside of Japan. It's one of the few episodes that was never localized in any other territory.

I'm guessing you guys are mistaking fan edits as a genuine edit?

[thorn pagoda]

how many people were affected by it when it first aired

[wise brook]

so according to reports around 650

with 6 or so of them having had seizures

[thorn pagoda]

oh

[wise brook]

some people had symptoms as mild as a stomach upset

[thorn pagoda]

idk why i thought it'd be more, 6 is still bad though

[wise brook]

it’s supposedly 1 in 4000 who may suffer photosensitivity so the number of incidents tracks with the viewership

around 4 million

well, the average would have equaled 2.4 mil so less were affected than the odds would suggest

[thorn pagoda]

i bet there's some degree of "oh no pokemon made so siiiiick, no school for me today" in those numbers

not the 6 but the other 644

[ancient surge]

Regardless, the seizure incident had a widespread impact on Japanese media. It's not a coincidence that after the Electric Soldier Porygon incident, strobing light effects were gradually phased out in many anime and video games to prevent another incident from happening again. It's also why a lot of anime enforced a warning to avoid being too close to a television.

[burnt matrix]

Way to go random Japanese children. Ruining anime for the rest of us.

[ancient surge]

Even older anime and video games before the incident would commonly be edited to tone down any flashing effects to prevent possible seizures.

[burnt matrix]

Wow, theey're even censoring older anime too?

I'm writing to my congressman or congresswoman

[thorn pagoda]

its difficult with games where you can't really predict what the players going to do to make their own flashing pattern somehow

[warped saddle]

I have zero history (even family history) of seizures/epilepsy etc and when I watched that it was weird. I can only describe it as....squishy

[burnt matrix]

you felt squishy?

I wanna raw dog porygon flashing, anyone have a link?

[warped saddle]

rip robby

[wise brook]

i’ll send you one if you want

there’s an archive with just subbed pokémon

[warped saddle]

it's just out there on youtube

[exotic elk]

Look for "seizure supercut"

[warped saddle]

'porygon flashing'

[exotic elk]

frashing

(they did it to themselves, not my fault)

[wise brook]

the whole episode is good tho and worth watching

[burnt matrix]

raw dog it

[exotic elk]

man you're really focused on raw dogging today

[warped saddle]

sorry I don't watch cartoons

well

except Garfield

[wise brook]

Wildest part, internationally This wasn’t the first time something like this happened.

The Japanese and the United States had no regulations on photosensitivity, but the UK did. because of a noodle commercial in 93 that caused a bout of epilepsy

[burnt matrix]

Ok, I just watchd it and had no effect on me. This can only mean that I'm a pokemon adonis

[wise brook]

and you’ll never guess who stared in the commercial

[burnt matrix]

in all seriousness that effect is crazy, way over the top

[exotic elk]

only fast brains can keep up with the flashing and discern the code to seize up

[warped saddle]

his name? Albert Einstein

[exotic elk]

your brain might be smoothing it out temporally

[warped saddle]

Robby's life is skipping frames

[exotic elk]

cheap way to do something visually impactful I guess
.. I don't miss the flashing tbh, it's annoying every time there's a stroboscope on tv

[wise brook]

Troy MF’ing McClure himself

Paul Hartman

[burnt matrix]

ok I watched it like 6 more times and I'm a little dizzy lol

[exotic elk]

jeezus

don't actively seek epilepsy

[warped saddle]

Robby, move toward the light

[wise brook]

so the brit’s identified that the blue red specifically was extra problematic

[exotic elk]

which is why American policecar

[wise brook]

those colors flashing repeatedly activate the cones at the back of your eyes.

even just changing the red to orange would have been enough to blunt the affect

[celest lake]

why is robby microdosing seizures?

I leave you guys alone for 15 minutes….

[exotic elk]

he said it was good for him

[wise brook]

there’s something else legally funky about that episode

the weapon pikachu fights is very, x-wing~ish

[prime hare]

Some credit buttons are t mapped correctly on MRAs. The test button also adds a credit and usually works.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aa4Uxv6CQvc&ab_channel=MitsurugiW

I didn't know there was a new Darksoft ST-V multi coming out with a repo soundboard for Batman.

[warped saddle]

what's a few games with the credit mapping issue?

[prime hare]

I would have to go watch a VOD or test again. A lot of games have a unused button 4 as well.

I'll send you a list when I get back infront of the mister

[trim nimbus]

Neither did I. I wonder if there is a way to make it work with the old stv multi.

[warped saddle]

the unused 4th button is some mame BS. like it lists 4 buttons for radiant silvergun

well, even better

4 buttons for player 1 and 2, 3 for player 3 and 4!

I think it's just some generic ST-V data

[trim nimbus]

Guess not. The connector is on the cart. Oh well, hopefully it is implemented in mister so I don’t have to buy a second stv multi

[naive whale]

they arent easy to find and there really isnt much tech on them so makes sense they are getting made

[high bramble]

Right... but the first button for those 4-button ports for P1 and P2 is skipped (unused) with Batman Forever... which means the actual 4th button doesn't appear to be wired to anything in the core.
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[warped saddle]

yeah, that's a srg thing to resolve

[high bramble]

Kinda figured. Thanks.

[celest lake]

I filed it

[warped saddle]

we'll eventually have to sort out a mahjong panel too

[celest lake]

if you want to add context, MJ, that would be helpful. I don’t completely understand what’s going on under the hood. https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/371

[burnt matrix]

mahjong, really?

[warped saddle]

I'm unsure if it is lewd or not

[ancient surge]

Don't you hate it when you're playing mahjong and the girl in front of you takes off all her clothes for no reason?

Kind of rude smh 😒

[celest lake]

they have no respect for the sport

[burnt matrix]

alright, I'm just gonna say it - smutty arcade games are WEIRD

like wtf man, why can't we be happy with little shooty bang bang spaceships

[warped saddle]

says the man that went to a hostess cafe

[burnt matrix]

That was wholesome family fun

the lady didn't know how to draw a famicom though so she gave me pikachu

I was pretty dissapointed ngl

[visual grove]

To type that Robby had to move his anime-girl-on-a-toilet figurine out of the way to slide his keyboard forward

[winter phoenix]

the only figures on his desk are model trains, let's be real

[clear condor]

anime model trains, on toilets

[burnt matrix]

goddamnit 🤣

[winter phoenix]

see, there it is, I knew it

[muted cradle]

An Ethernet cable. Nifty.

[wise brook]

So Mr Kuba, how much space (if any) have you gained to work with since the core split?

[mortal mist]

Logic utilization (in ALMs) 36,104 / 41,910 ( 86 % ) - ST-V

[wise brook]

oh that’s fantastic

[warped saddle]

now we gottta fit an entire sound card in there

[wet hull]

Yeah that will take space

[rich violet]

Maybe there's enough space in the Saturn core for @untold cloud to fit the interlaced/lightgun fix, since the ST-V split

[warped saddle]

to be fair

[mortal mist]

when compiling dualsdram for saturn, I managed to fit in 96%

[warped saddle]

since ST-V uses mras, you could literally have ST-V-protection1.rbf, ST-V-protection2.rbf and ST-Vbatmansound.rbf if you need to

[ancient surge]

Damn, was that just from gutting the CD stuff?

[warped saddle]

lightgun too

[rich violet]

I made a PR to unify all the CI workflow variants:
https://github.com/MiSTer-unstable-nightlies/Saturn_MiSTer/pull/2

[celest lake]

I’m hoping kuba can sneak the hdmi sync 480i hack that on the psx core

[rich violet]

Is that the "new bob" thing?

[high bramble]

Meet the new Bob, same as the old Bob... but not.

[celest lake]

No, it’s something to prevent the 480i 240p resync

I think that’s what it does

[rancid adder]

yo guys. do i need two different bios files for s-tv? keeps telling me i have the wrong country version

[celest lake]

I dunno, it’s magic

[high bramble]

See if there is an MRA in the 'JP BIOS' folder for that game and try that.

[rich violet]

Oh, okay!

What's "Bob-New" then?

[celest lake]

That’s zakk’s deinterlacer

Bobjr

[rancid adder]

tried colums in jp and non jp folder. keeps telling me thats the wrong country

[rich violet]

Is there a document on what it does? I'm quite interested 😄

[rancid adder]

also got the missing something in the bios file message on games that worked though like golden axe the duel

[high bramble]

That was going to be my next question.

You probably need an updated stvbios.zip file. Need to source one from a more recent MAME ROMs set.

...from at least v0.258 or higher.
v0.274 is currently the latest (until tomorrow... probably).

[rancid adder]

ok google did me wrong so far it looks like

i try to find the mame set

thanks

[pearl harbor]

Yeah, this is the biggest hickup most people run into. The problem is that the correct and incorrect bios zip is basically named the same thing in most locations online.

The correct one has like 2 or 3 additional files in the zip.

[rancid adder]

Yea! columns 97 now works. right bios plus jp MRA

looks like 12 ic8 files plus 2 bin and one nv file is the right number

[high bramble]

Yep!
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[pearl harbor]

I was surprised that Columns '97 was a 480i game. Pretty unusual for a puzzle game at the time.

[radiant karma]

#1046940919607345272 message

Greatly improved bob deinterlacing. Hopefully coming soon to the Saturn core.

[rich violet]

Thanks! Very cool. Is there any reason to keep the old bob?

[copper furnace]

I remember writing about this before. Now a small addition. When I decided to launch Guardian Heroes, when I launched the main menu I found this

[polar mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/bill-murray-what-about-bob-you-want-me-to-go-gif-8660953

[copper furnace]

This became apparent after I installed the unstable version of MiSTer

[radiant karma]

Imho, no. After testing several 480i games on the PSX core, I doubt anyone can prefer the old version.

[ripe valley]

I tried the game under the same conditions on my two MiSTer systems (single and dual), I cannot reproduce that issue at all.

[mortal mist]

can't reproduce sorry

try another game image

[copper furnace]

I haven't encountered such problems yet, except for Sonic R and Guardian Heroes

I'll try images from other regions

[ancient fractal]

Strangely, perhaps, I prefer the old one since it allows for using scanline filters. It would be nice if something like the interlaced CRT emulation from retrotink would be possible though.

[warped saddle]

I had something like it working, but it only looked good at integer scaling or like 1440p+

[radiant karma]

480i shouldn't have visible scanlines, but yeah, I do know some friends who would like scanlines over everything.

[ancient fractal]

I can imagine it needs more than 1080p.. it’s only available on the tink 4K, right?

[warped saddle]

no, the morph does it, the 5x does it too

osscpro may also? I don't know

[static jetty]

Hey guys, I updated the stv_updater.ini to look for "unstable" vs "_unstable" and did the updates but the core doesn't launch unless I change it back, the option is now there in the ini, also renamed the folder to "unstable" any ideas?

[radiant karma]

As I use 1440p and integer scaling, I vote for a release of that CRT simulation mode 🤣

[river river]

The way it matches to look for the core files it needs to be just unstable without the preceeding _. If you set it to _unstable it'll look for ST-V__unstable*.rbf

@static jetty Are you able to ssh onto your MiSTer and run ls -l /media/fat/_Arcade/cores/ST-V.rbf?

[river river]

Oh wait. No you don't need to rename the folder to unstable, that's part of the problem. The folder name is _Unstable and stv_rbf_type="unstable" (which is the default so you don't even need to set that)

If for some reason you need to have that folder named unstable then you could set stv_rbf_path to the full path of where that folder is, eg: stv_rbf_path=/media/fat/unstable

[static jetty]

stv_rbf_path="/media/fat/unstable" or stv_rbf_path=/media/fat/unstable

[river river]

Why did you rename the _Unstable folder anyhow?

[static jetty]

I didn't want the folder visable in the main mister menu, messy

[river river]

either way should be fine

[static jetty]

I'll try now stand by

[static jetty]

Doesn't work I also noticed if I make the change the rbf link disappears from the arcade cores folder.

[river river]

OK, I'll test it out on my mister

So I've got this set for update_stv.ini

stv_rbf_path=/media/fat/Unstable
stv_rbf_type=DualSDRAM_unstable

Starting update_stv.sh
Linking new version /media/fat/Unstable/ST-V_DualSDRAM_unstable_20250224_19a516.rbf to /media/fat/_Arcade/cores/ST-V.rbf...
'/media/fat/_Arcade/cores/ST-V.rbf' -> '/media/fat/Unstable/ST-V_DualSDRAM_unstable_20250224_19a516.rbf'
Checking STV-MRA for latest version
STV-MRA is up to date at version Release 7
update_stv.sh finished

/media/fat/Scripts# ls -l /media/fat/_Arcade/cores/ST-V.rbf
lrwxr-xr-x 1 root root 63 Feb 25 17:20 /media/fat/_Arcade/cores/ST-V.rbf -> /media/fat/Unstable/ST-V_DualSDRAM_unstable_20250224_19a516.rbf

[static jetty]

I'll try the above one sec

[static jetty]

Is the script not elevated with permissions or something?

[river river]

How did you put the update_stv.sh script on that mister?

[static jetty]

Via ftp

[river river]

That to me looks like maybe the character encoding or line ending is messed up

[static jetty]

I'll re-download it one sec

I'll copy to SD direct vs ftp

[river river]

Do the same for update_stv.ini as well. Although I'm guessing perhaps the problem is that you're on windows and its maybe doing Windows line ending. If your editor has an option for unix line ending/encoding that might help

[analog totem]

make sure you’re transferring in binary mode via FTP as well

[high bramble]

If using Filezilla, yes.

[analog totem]

oh does winscp default to binary

maybe it does

[high bramble]

It does.

[static jetty]

Same issue unfortunately, copied both files via SD direct

[analog totem]

ah ok yeah I do seem to remember that

@static jetty try editing with notepad++ and save the file with unix line endings maybe?

[static jetty]

Can you guys shoot me a copy of the ini as above

[analog totem]

I would but I haven’t messed with the STV stuff yet

[static jetty]

Can I get your copy of this

[river river]

As edited on my MiSTer

[static jetty]

That works 😁

The above ini works now wtf

[river river]

Yeah, so like @analog totem mentioned, sounds like you need to use an editor like Notepad++ to make sure that its set with unix line endings

[static jetty]

Maybe post the ini on your GitHub

With the script together

[river river]

Is this MiSTer online?

[static jetty]

It is

[river river]

Doesn't seem like it if it can't resolve api.github.com

[static jetty]

I will moving forward, thanks a bunch, update your git with the info I think most will create an ini from scratch or use standard notepad

Fully works now without the annoying unstable submenu ❤️ sorry ocd

[river river]

Its actually moved here now but yeah, I'll add some more details to the docs

[static jetty]

Update all works fine though? What change is required?

[analog totem]

could’ve just been a fluke and running it again will work

[static jetty]

Looks like it ok?

[static jetty]

Just did

[analog totem]

yep looks good

[static jetty]

Sweet thanks boys appreciate it, so just the sussy .ini

@river river One final question, with notepad++ any special settings in that etc I need to be aware of?

[river river]

https://stackoverflow.com/a/8195860/181089

It needs to be Unix (LF)

[burnt matrix]

So what are the ST-V exclusives that are worth checking out? I.e. not the photo stuff.

[wise brook]

i dig the tant-r like game. neat art style it’s a little glitched right now

Taisen Tanto-R

[open swan]

https://youtu.be/Qe6jAMw7Vzo?si=A2_vdTOxhtjbJthT

[open swan]

https://youtu.be/WvQnMF03u7c?si=A7YwnCK2trXDiZww

[burnt matrix]

lol what is even going on

[sturdy kernel]

Tecmo World Cup 98 is exclusive but its not booting, if you like soccer games

[open swan]

Find the kanji

The one that is different

Not same same

https://tenor.com/view/japan-real-real-japan-sugi-same-same-but-different-chikara-gif-4942153489374473890

[river river]

👋 a couple of small updates to update_stv.

I've added a manage_rbf option. If you set it to false it won't setup the symlinks to /media/fat/_Arcade/cores/ST-V.rbf. Not sure if anyone wanted that but good if say you want to copy your own .rbf in place but wanted something to still download the MRAs easily for you.

I've also added an update_stv.ini.example file in /media/fat/Scripts. Copy it to update_stv.ini if you want.

And lastly if you want to get updates make sure you update your /media/fat/downloader.ini with the download config for update_stv as I'll no longer be updating the gist anymore.

[sacred goblet]

Thanks. What the update_stv line is doing in downloader.ini exactly?

[river river]

The one in the setup section that I linked to

[sacred goblet]

yes

[river river]

It means when you run update or update_all that it'll update update_stv when there's updates to it instead of manually uploading the script

[sacred goblet]

Ah cool, no need to update the script manually !

[river river]

I just realised I forgot to put a step for actually running update/update_all in that section. I've just fixed the README

[static jetty]

Where?

[river river]

Here https://github.com/davewongillies/MISTer-update_stv

[mortal mist]

For ST-V, only Shienryu needs the screen rotated?

[drowsy hull]

Were there any stv lightgun games?

[muted cradle]

I glanced at the list, but couldn't spot a typical "Tate" game. Guardian Force, Souky and Radiant Silvergun are all "verizontals" afaik

[ripe valley]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/360#issuecomment-2684507016

A question from srg320

Is there any option to identify the game on the FPGA side through the MRA file? This is needed to enable/disable additional chips for individual games.

[warped saddle]

I'm answering it now

[ripe valley]

Thanks.

Perfect! 👌

[thorn pagoda]

thats pretty normal, you also really want to do BFI ontop on the display device ideally thats when it starts looking really good

[warped saddle]

no, it looks worse than the 5x or even morph without bfi

[thorn pagoda]

huh

[warped saddle]

it looks just as bad as enabling the scandoubler+scanlines and then non-integer scaling it

[thorn pagoda]

did you do the half line offset thing vertically?

[warped saddle]

(because that's effectively what it is doing)

yeah,the 'new' bob is just the half-line adjustment

[thorn pagoda]

weird i thought that was meant to be the key to getting the scanlines to look good

[visual grove]

Haha awesome, he’s really jamming it in there. Goonies never say die

[cursive tree]

Is there a new Seed10 build for the latest Saturn_unstable cores (Single and Dual Ram)? Couldn´t find it at the pins

[ripe valley]

I've done them, but won't be necessary as the compilation is fine at the moment and the timings requirements are met this time.

[cursive tree]

Thanks!

[burnt matrix]

I stopped sharing them so I can keep them to myself!!!

[upper dust]

For this I had to manually create the sym link before the script would work (below is for single ram)
ln --symbolic --force --verbose /media/fat/_Unstable/ST-V_unstable*.rbf /media/fat/_Arcade/cores/ST-V.rbf

nice script - great work!

[wise brook]

pins for the pin god

[river river]

That's weird, you must have something going on in your MiSTer that I'm not expecting or handling (maybe more than one ST-V_unstable rbf file? I know I need to fix that)

[slow crypt]

i change to must recent MiSTeR archive in a principal directory

and change all rma files to more recent archives

[river river]

Sorry I'm not quite sure what you mean by that

[slow crypt]

the rma files need to be replaced

[river river]

Oh your setting this up all manually?

[slow crypt]

yeah! all steps manually

the script dont work for me

i make step by step

[river river]

Ok

[slow crypt]

i show in my youtube channel with make manually files

https://youtu.be/9xn6JmwC6_c

the problem was solved

" sorry my english, im a brazilian and my english is bad " kkkk

[river river]

Does this video show you running the script at all? Or just manually copying the files?

[slow crypt]

only manually copyng and arrnage the files

[river river]

Alright thanks. That probably won't help me figure out why it didn't work for you. I know how to manually copy the files and the script also works for me

[slow crypt]

When I made the script, I must have done something wrong

[upper dust]

nope - just the single and dual
I did have a ST-V.rbf in _Arcade/cores, but I deleted that since it would be replaced by the sym link

[mortal mist]

Ok thanks

[river river]

Well that's double weird. The script usually would print an error if something goes wrong.

[upper dust]

when I ran the script it went straight to "Press Any Button"
I looked through the script and saw that it should make a sym link, but could not find it
After manually making the sym link, then the script worked fine showing all the update output
I did not set anything custom in an .ini

[river river]

If it printed nothing then you must have the first version of the script. I've updated it a bit since then and it'll print out what it's doing even if it doesn't do anything

[upper dust]

Was using this one:
https://github.com/davewongillies/MISTer-update_stv/blob/master/Scripts/update_stv.sh
It printed output fine after I made the sym link

[river river]

That doesn't just print "Press any button" and nothing if there's a problem

Or even if there's not a problem.