#Sega Saturn

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elfin apex
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Sure, but that's the scene that I would have expected to take it apart ~10 years ago.

hallow fossil
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I don't have time to dig into this tonight or next few days, but anyone who is digging into Saturn stuff, would be good to see if this disc is out there in the regular places, and does it boot, and if so can you then go on to boot a Photo CD on the core

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For anyone not familiar with the Photo CD format, there are some discs which are more advanced and are simple images based adventure games

warped saddle
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the cd boots and the samples work

high bramble
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I grabbed an image of the Photo CD OS (Europe) from <My... usual spot>, and the core loads it just fine.
I also grabbed a Photo CD image at random from the same place (Introduction to Photo CD, An - Version 2.0 (USA)).
However, when prompted to insert a Photo CD, the core resets when loading a different disc (as expected).

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Don't know if the noreset.txt thing works with the Saturn core...

warped saddle
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you can just put it in the same dir

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but

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I don't think it triggers lid close/open

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because when I do put it in the same directory core has no idea the disc swapped

high bramble
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Wonder how the real console handles that, since you need to remove the Photo CD OS disc to insert a Photo CD...

warped saddle
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I assume the actual executable is resident in memory at that point

hallow fossil
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Interesting, many thanks for checming. Good to know the actual CD boots. I wonder what it would take to get the core booting Photo CDs as well. Very likely srg320 isn't aware of this disc, it does seem an obscure one.

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Also gang, worth firing up Christmas Nights Into Dreams over the next day. 🙂

safe trail
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It seems that this would be a case of needing to set the open lid flag while switching the disc, and then closing the lid without rebooting

inner kayak
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I kinda want to try the karaoke software, but does the core have microphone support?

ripe valley
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I don't have access to my original system at the moment, I will be back in 10 days.

vocal oar
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I have my original Saturn hooked up I could test for ya. The problem is I suck at RS. How far into the game do I need to get?

ripe valley
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Until Penta, Stage 4D if I remember well.
With Portrait Mode ON.

warped saddle
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I've found play throughs that are obviously hardware captured where the portrait doesn't do that

muted cradle
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Does somebody see that vertical garbage lines in the Gunbird videoclips between stages?

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native dagger
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I saw that recently as well

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But I didn't dig into if all my stuff was the most up to date

severe whale
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Anyone have a Saroo?

marble citrus
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How do I find the Saturn Test Build (Dual SDRAM)?

mortal mist
marble citrus
high bramble
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Also: #unstable-nightlies message

marble citrus
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@high bramble is that meant for me?

topaz cairn
mortal mist
cunning citrus
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ODEs handle this game by having the discs in order, so when pressing the ODE button, the device simulates a open lid, change game. close lid. The game happily accepts it. Not having a open/close lid is really weird indeed. I wonder if the open close is there somewhere on the core. The open close is handled by the disc drive, a trace goes from the disc assembly to the motherboard directly to the cd lid switch.

edgy hollow
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Anyone familiar with the link port? Does the midi in have its own opto isolator?

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Part of me wants to just directly solder my midi female port to test but fears about wasting time since the midi in may need an optoisolator

limber laurel
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@edgy hollow wrong channel? or I missed something about Saturn and MIDI 😅

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the later, I wasn't aware at all that MIDI stuff was released for Saturn

edgy hollow
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Saturn has midi support

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Probably not on this core as it's not through controller port

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It's used in at least 2 games like sega music school 1 and 2

limber laurel
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yeah, I was looking about the topic after your message, that keyboard looks great, but wow it is a collector piece at collectors price

edgy hollow
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I missed out on it locally

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Kind of annoyed but knowing me, i would not use it

limber laurel
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we never use these things, but we like to fantasize we will get time and energy to do 😅

edgy hollow
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Yeah, my attempt is to build a midi adapter to erase the need for it

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Annoyingly, isoldered the female midi port directly and it didn't work

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It probably needs the midi circuitry as expected

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Which i don't want to do lol

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I basically soldered 5v to 5v, midi - to pin 3(midi in), gnd to gnd

edgy hollow
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anyway, looks like someone on Sega Extreme reverse engineered it

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and it confirms my fear

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that it needs the whole midi circuit

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where difference is they added fuses to this circuit

serene thunder
errant crown
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Holy shit what

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I never knew this even existed

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They could’ve ported this to the Saturn

winter phoenix
rich violet
winter phoenix
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Once the holidays calm down, I need to really put my new MiSTer to work and write up a piece on all the updates over the last couple months

rich violet
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The ones with "..." buttons expand to show more info

winter phoenix
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Yep I’ve referred to that in many prior stories

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I want to get some before and after footage though

serene thunder
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I've only seen one for sale a single time

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The cart has classic 8-bit Konami sounds on it that you control via UI

tawny compass
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Unfortunately I don't have real hardware to compare it with, my bad. In fact, one of the reasons I got invested on MiSTer was because of the Saturn core, since I never had one and it is a notoriously hard console to emulate accurately.

tawdry lion
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So if you're not pirating warez and it's harder to emulate, then why is it called hard-ware?

drowsy hull
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a shiver goes down my spine thinking that anyone is paying for warez

frail token
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I wonder how does current core status compare to mednafen or whatever is the most accurate software emulator

ripe valley
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Apart from some VDP2 bugs found recently, the core is far ahead.

Nova is now the most feature complete since this week.

frail token
ripe valley
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Yes, from Steve Kwok.

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Not the most well known, but it tries to cover all the bases as possible.
It passes also the SCSP tests provided by celeriyacon during last summer here.

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Some features are missing like key remapping and joypad support and second player.
That's a choice during the development.

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In terms of compatibility and usuability, Mednafen is still the better choice.

tawdry lion
frail token
ripe valley
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If srg320 could fix some issues with Nights and Radiant Silvergun (and maybe a small issue on Princess Crown), the core could beat any software emulator for quite some time.

frail token
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That's awesome

burnt matrix
pearl harbor
burnt matrix
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He’s the friend I bought a Mister Pi for lol.

pearl harbor
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There goes my GIF quota for the rest of the year! Worth it!

warped saddle
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does that friend know you were asking about hacking his home network!?!

frail token
zealous karma
ripe valley
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kuba have a partial fix.

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Battle Garegga could regress, but I've not checked intensively.
Vacation time now, until Jan. 6.

ancient surge
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By the way, @untold cloud is currently trying to make the SEGA Saturn core boot up ST-V ROMs. You can read up on the progress in the #1315008851874938948 thread.

tawny forge
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MARS thread wen

upper dust
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We already have a 32X core

ancient surge
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He posted this test build.

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He warns that it's still in a rough state, so your mileage may vary.

naive whale
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@frail token CANCEL THE SATURN CORE

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I dunno what dudes constantly complaining issue is but go make more jokes. If always takes the piss out of their arguments

frail token
thorn pagoda
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should be easy to write a bash script that runs on launch and wipes all your saturn saves every year

tawny forge
pearl harbor
vocal oar
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Battery death simulation in the core please (not really lol)

naive whale
sinful reef
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Man, your comment section is really going wild at times. It could potentially provide enough content for an entire movie.

visual grove
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maybe he isn't on the unstable

naive whale
warped saddle
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ask him about 'datasheet engineers'

high bramble
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DrChocoboboNo... 🙄

shadow merlin
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Seems perpetually grumpy in general

naive whale
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I’m too busy in a day to talk to anyone who’s in a bad mood. I’m here for the fun! Where shits optimistic and filled with promise…not shit on because that’s their vibe

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I sound like @burnt matrix 🤣

hallow fossil
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If I recall he is Attract 17's best friend. He kicked about here awhile ago, came across a overly negative and a bit caustic. He may have been banned, I can't remember.

visual grove
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Oh yeah didn’t even look at the name. Yeah I’ve seen him on other discords, always seems very grumpy for some reason. Hope 2025 is better for them

naive whale
visual grove
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Yeah not saying turn the other cheek, you’re not awJeebus

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Well not your face cheek anyway

pearl harbor
high bramble
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I already don't like him then. 'Atrac17's best friend' is all I needed to know. 😄

frail token
burnt matrix
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So what is the core lacking? I think if you consider SNAC it replicates almost everything?

hallow fossil
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Keyboard support, and midi keyboard support are two things. Virtual lightgun support (is SNAC lightgun fully working now?)

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DVC, but that is massive

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Cheats in?

burnt matrix
trim nimbus
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No mpeg or modem support

hallow fossil
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Oh and Photo CDs don't seem to work using the Photo CD loader disc

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CD+G presumably not supported either, but that is in Mega CD core

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Music CDs play fine?

burnt matrix
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Thanks for the insight. The mid 90s consoles sure supported a lot of wacky peripherals.

hallow fossil
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I haven't been keeping fully up to date, but was there not something about analogue triggers needing to be supported for some controller/games?

burnt matrix
hallow fossil
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I think a few of these last few things aren't terribly complex, but are niche and the core is pretty much out of space and stability could suffer

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Yeah, looks like there is no cheats pack so that isn't in there

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Maybe these last remaining things and S-TV support will be saved for MiSTer 2

burnt matrix
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I’d like lightgun support via USB but I could live without the other things, even analog triggers.

high bramble
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But yeah, other than that, it's a true replacement. 😏

quick sorrel
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The core has come to the point where I’m comfortable to prune the majority of my SS discs. 👏

hallow fossil
# burnt matrix I’d like lightgun support via USB but I could live without the other things, eve...

Yeah this is probably the missing features that most people would appreciate, except maybe cheats. It will take someone who has console and lightgun and skills to implement it though, as was mentioned the other day. I am not sure who falls into that category, but we can't really expect it from srg320 who likely won't have access to these things.

As it stands the core is going to be a fine replacement for 99% of people out there though.

viral pebble
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Does the core have multitap support yet?

hallow fossil
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That's a good question, what is the max number of players the core now supports?

subtle tusk
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Pretty sure the Saturn core doesn't support CD+G yet, literally unplayable.

hallow fossil
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I can only assume that is cyo's issue with the core.

upper dust
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Why can't I plug in my own RAM cart?! /s

errant crown
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Does the core support the enhanced videos in games like Lunar Silver Star Story?

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I think it’s VCD?

ancient surge
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No it doesn't.

tawny compass
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Hey guys, Virtua Fighter Kids (USA) does not load when the region is set to auto on the latest unstable. It loads fine when set to USA though, should I report this?

frail token
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How is the Saturn version of Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3? Is it the best version on MiSTer?

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Sounds like 32X version of MKII is best (especially with the hack, I'm sure), while Saturn version of UMK3 and Trilogy might be best

pearl harbor
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I've always liked the N64 version of Trilogy the most simply due to the lack of loading times and a proper Shang Tsung. But between the PS1 and Saturn versions, I've always thought the PS1 version was better due to the lack of dithering, which doesn't look great in the Saturn version.

frail token
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Saturn has dithering?!?!?!!??

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Why in the world?!?

pearl harbor
# frail token Saturn has dithering?!?!?!!??

Yeah, in anything that has transparency, like the shadows, Smoke's...uhh...smoke, some of the UI like life bar outlines, etc. It's not a ton, but what is there is very distracting compared to the PS1 version.

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frail token
pearl harbor
frail token
pearl harbor
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Not sure about UMK3, since I barely played that game compared to Trilogy.

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But I would assume it is.

frail token
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that sucks

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There isn't a fast-CD load option in this core yet is there

pearl harbor
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Actually just checked some UMK3 footage, and it seems that game just doesn't have as many transparencies in general. Smoke's smoke isn't transparent even in the arcade version. Same with the shadows. There is some in the life bars on Saturn, but it's not as bad as Trilogy.

frail token
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I watched that video but I think it just wasn't high res enough for me to notice

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I think the biggest thing between the CD versions is going to be dealing with load times, at least on the PSX core there's faster loading as an option

thorn pagoda
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composite video does a good job of blending down those checkerboard transparencies

pearl harbor
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You can really see it there.

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And the life bars.

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frail token
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Oof

pearl harbor
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Doesn't affect gameplay of course, but at the very least, if I play CD MK Trilogy, I always go with PS1.

frail token
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How shitty that an entire console generation later dithering is still a problem for Sega lol

pearl harbor
frail token
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wow really

pearl harbor
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Yeah, it's pretty insane in that game.

frail token
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Saturn can't do transparency?1??

pearl harbor
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There are examples, but it has issues with it. The patched ultimate version of Castlevania SotN on Saturn fixes some of it, but not all of it. Not sure how it works when some games get around the issue.

frail token
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doesn't look like any kind of transparency fix hack is available

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there is a hack that changes a few things

vernal sun
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I believe the Saturn can do transparency but it wasn't as documented/easy to do so just wasn't ever used.

thorn pagoda
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it can do it its just much much slower at it than PSX

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even modern games take shortcuts on transparencies, they're hard

errant crown
ancient fractal
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Saturn can do various true transparency effects as part of VDP2’s layer compositing pipeline, which is similar to what SNES can do.

The crucial thing missing is useful blending modes for VDP1 drawing. In essence you cannot draw a transformed sprite or any kind of polygon with blending over anything else also drawn by VDP1.

acoustic sable
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Ran out of space again in this thread. Will Discord ever raise the 1000 people limit? Seems counterproductive, either commit fully or give up on them.
Anyway, anyone punted can just rejoin by browsing. Sorry about that.

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Enough. Hodor can drop the door now.

visual grove
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They died so that we may live

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🫡

acoustic sable
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Don't tell anyone, but I nearly punted Robert. The people list shifted while I was clicking through the F's...

hearty marten
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That is quite a cull

visual grove
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They deserved it

hearty marten
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Oh, nearly. Better luck next time 😉

quaint sky
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Hi! Does Saturn Core supports cheats? Have anyone tried enabling Cheats for Saturn games on Mister? Thanks.

green basalt
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Am I out of date, or has disc switching been implemented yet?

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I'd love to play Grandia again, it seems to work great as far as the intro is concerned

hearty marten
quaint sky
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If it does, I wonder if an image of Action Replay would work?

rich violet
hearty marten
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I mean, there are RAM carts but they’re built into the core itself iirc

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From memory, the DE10 is very full though. It’s likely that some of the extra quality of life features may not be included if they take up significant extra resources on the FPGA

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(That’s just me speculating though)

quaint sky
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If the developer of the Core allows users to load custom RAM carts, I wonder if it would be a solution for Cheats? It could "ACT" in the same way as the real Saturn?

hearty marten
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I’m not sure how a custom RAM cart would really work - presumably something would need to be loaded from the SD into the FPGA to initialize the RAM? Maybe you could add something to GitHub? 🙂

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Any extra chips wouldn’t be supported though

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Is the action replay really a RAM cart, or an additional chip that runs stuff?

quaint sky
# hearty marten Is the action replay really a RAM cart, or an additional chip that runs stuff?

https://segaretro.org/Action_Replay_Plus

Sega Retro
Action Replay Plus

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Action Replay Plus is a cartridge developed by EMS for the Sega Saturn as an upgrade to the Pro Action Replay. The cartridge has a wide array of features that make it a highly useful and sought-after accessory for Saturn owners, particularly those with non-Japanese s...

hearty marten
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It feels to me like it’s a bunch of extra chips - a bit like how NES mappers aren’t actually included in rom files and need to be included in the core itself

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But I might be wrong

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But I guess all the RAM and backup cart stuff is already there, so maybe adding the extra stuff for action replay isn’t impossible

warped saddle
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that would just be cheat support

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it's the same thing. you'd have to basically implement cheat support to support the 'action replay'. 'custom ram cart' buys you nothing and in fact would just be a weird layer of abstraction and probably more effort to implement

quaint sky
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Or it would be if the developer of the Saturn core build/adds action replay into the RAM? But I think it won't be a elegant or best solution. Users have to enter cheats manually. And not via a text file like .cht

warped saddle
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cheats would be implemented like all other cores that implement it

thorn pagoda
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if space is really really tight you could possibly take a look at how the n64 cheats work?

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they run on the arm iirc

warped saddle
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that only works because the n64 RDRAM is in ddr3

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so it is accessible from the arm side

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I'm not sure where the saturn ram is. and I think all the cheat carts for saturn had access to the entire cpu address bus, so they could potentially sniff/change anything

drowsy hull
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damn, that was a removal spree

burnt matrix
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LOL

green swift
drowsy hull
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I hope robby does not feel inadequate

green swift
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Look at his profile pic. Robby is a beast.

burnt matrix
acoustic sable
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Thank you @long monolith for your service there (and by clicking this you’re back in the thread)

untold cloud
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Testing

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OK, back now.

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Wondered what happened to this a few days ago.

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I only found the channel name after searching for ST-V.

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Then it wouldn't let me post, and the Saturn channel disappeared. lol

acoustic sable
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We love Discord 🙄

untold cloud
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I posted tons of stuff about testing ST-V games on the Saturn core, but in the Dreamcast channel.

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I won't repeat it all on here, but let's just say - it's very rough atm, and very few games work. lol

untold cloud
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Different spelling etc. anyway.

sharp comet
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Correct. He and I are not some weird Norman Bates situation

acoustic sable
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Not yet, anyway

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Who knows what 2025 will bring

hallow fossil
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Kitrinx and Rysha, however...

untold cloud
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lol

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You never see Rysha and Kitrinx in the same room at the same time? hmmm

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You just reminded me - I have to do the whole pretence thing later, of enjoying being with the family for an hour or two before midnight.

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Joking, obviously.

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We usually watch Jools Holland (if he's still around) for about an hour.

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Then watch the fireworks from a place called London.

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Went to see them in-person a few times. It was awesome the first time... lol

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The second or third visit, for some reason, my brother stood behind a tree, and didn't want to move for a better view.

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He's almost as strange as me sometimes.

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Anyway, Saturn.

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I haven't had much time to play games on the Saturn core yet, but it's amazing to see it running so well now.

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The sheer complexity and interactions of that system are insane.

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For some reason, I assumed Srg would write the core in VHDL.

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But turns out it's (mostly) SystemVerilog, which is SO nice. lol

hallow fossil
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I think London's fireworks are cancelled tonight, the Edinburgh ones certainly are. Weather has been some of the worst for this time of year I can remember, like a winter hurricane.

acoustic sable
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jools will indeed be ruining music this evening, yes

untold cloud
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Oh, dayum.

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Forgot about the "storm".

acoustic sable
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Yeah, proper grim out

untold cloud
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tbh, every time we've had a storm warning down here in Mordor, it's never been that bad.

acoustic sable
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50mph horizontal rain

untold cloud
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Aside from the fence blowing down last month.

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Great.

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Sounds like the UK.

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This place essentially really does turn into Mordor for about five months, after around September.

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Good job I hardly leave the house. lol

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Plus we have a shed/bar and summerhouse in the garden.

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Not that I drink much any more, and try to stay away from spirits.

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Doesn't do much for me any more, aside from sleep and headaches.

untold cloud
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The best part about the Jools Holland show, is when he doesn't play anything. 😛

elfin apex
hallow fossil
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If you put it on to BBC Scotland then you get our programming which is generally better, as if doesn't feature Jools Holland

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Or you can go extreme and put in BBC Alba, and get a room full of drunk Highlanders having a party in Gaelic which is actually quite fun

green basalt
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I was going to go out into town for a few drinks, but my local is now £6.70 a pint, so I've got three bottles of Westons for £6 from the co op. That'll do me tonight

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It's easy to forget how north the UK is, we are on the same latitude as calgary in Canada! I hate the weather this time of year.

stiff patrol
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I would love it to rain around midnight. May well stop the Artillery barrage everyone and their fireworks create

hallow fossil
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On pints, I was shocked when I was in London in the summer and standard pint price seems to be £7.50 now. A mate of mine was just in Zurich and beer is cheaper in Switzerland than London which is mad.

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Thankfully I still know a few pubs in Edinburgh I can get a pint of cheap Lager for under a fiver

green basalt
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I remember when I was at uni and it was 50p a pint of strongbow, 50p a shot. This was 2007 though...

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Used to go out with a tenner, get hammered, still have enough for a subway and a 99p McDonald's burger at the end

hallow fossil
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Yeah, could get £1 pint students deals here when I was at uni then as well. Halcyon days. I don't know how young people can afford to go out these days

green basalt
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Took my daughter out for subway yesterday, £8 for a fucking 6inch meal deal. Robbery.

On the topic of Saturn, games were £60 then and now I have the entire library on something smaller than the size of a harry potter novel so swings and roundabouts

stiff patrol
green basalt
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It was her choice...I wanted the pub opposite

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I usually do homemade subs, got a perfect Italian bmt imitation recipe along with ripoff southwest sauce. Aldi do imitation subs and the specific cheese subway use

untold cloud
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Ordered Corona, but they sent us Sol instead. It's horrible. lol

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Was just chatting to my brother earlier, about even the price of McDonald's now.

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Used to have the 99p saver menu for a burger.

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I nearly ordered McD breakfast for three of us the other day. It would have cost over £30 for three sausage and egg rolls, three hash browns, three coffees, and a Flurry. lol

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Dominos is VERY expensive in the UK. But then you do get quite a lot of food for that.

stiff patrol
untold cloud
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Annoyed me when I found out that a plain Dominos pizza in Australia is about £8 equivalent.

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Here, it's something like £17.99... for a PIZZA.

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I know, McD's isn't great. just very occasionally, I get a craving for it.

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I am trying hard not to buy stuff like that now.

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Should probably save this chat for general-banter. lol

burnt matrix
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You’re Australian?

untold cloud
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Brit.

green basalt
pearl harbor
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I survived another ||demon|| purge!

hallow fossil
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I honestly don't know why people get chain takeaway pizzas, like Dominos and Papa John's etc. here, you are literally cheaper getting a proper pizza from an Italian restaurant that will be a magnitude better tasting and likely a lot healthier.

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To go back on topic... Does it now say Insert Disc rather than Insert Disk in the menu now?

rich violet
gloomy hedge
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Jaimie came through with the fuckin chopper like yak yak yak

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Wait I'm not dead

visual grove
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Respawn

safe trail
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(of course, I'm comparing against Continental-style pizzas baked in a traditional oven for the Italian restaurant version)

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Frankly, two very different types of pizza

trim nimbus
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Sometimes you crave trash too….the papa John’s large 1 topping for $6.50 in college built up a huge well of nostalgia

safe trail
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Well, clearly the experience is different where Moondandy is

vocal oar
pearl harbor
acoustic sable
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UK dominos is just bad pizza, they put so much grease in them

hearty marten
safe trail
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like a gigantic slice of fried toast ?

hearty marten
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Exactly that 🤤

high bramble
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I get my pizza from Costco... in bulk.

frail token
frail token
pearl harbor
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Tombstone frozen pizzas are the best pizzas in the world. Better than any fancy pants restaurant pizza! I have spoken!

frail token
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I like cheap frozen pizza

upper dust
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I like Little Caesars elmorise

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"Let's rent a game and some movies, and eat some cheap pizza to start the weekend!"
-me forever

celest lake
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I will go to my grave saying that Jacks cheap shitty frozen pizza is the best frozen pizza.

And luckily, seeing as how much Jacks I eat, I probably am going to see that grave sooner rather than later

frail token
frail token
untold cloud
frail token
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I'm intrigued

untold cloud
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I think the first place to look, is at how I'm decoding the address for Cart ROM read/write.

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It got a bit more complex, due to how ST-V carts are mapped, which means the single-file binary can go beyond 32MB.

#

And the ABUS on Saturn is kinda set up as two 32MB chunks.

#

With two separate Chip Select lines.

#

In theory, it might be OK with how I have it atm, using one of the Chip Selects as the upper address bit.

#

But I'm not 100% sure if the timings are always correct.

#

If they are, then it's probably reading the Cart ROM data OK, but there are a few other bits of logic missing, to make it work properly with all games.

#

A handful of ST-V games also use custom decryption ICs. Apparently one of them is the same chip used in many NAOMI carts.

#

So the logic for that would need to be written, to get those few games running.

#

Thing is, most of the decent games on ST-V had Saturn ports already, so I don't know how much value there is there. lol

#

(I don't think I can just directly use the address from the CPU to read carts above 32MB, but maybe?)

#

The start of the ABUS is mapped at that address, on both Saturn and ST-V. It's almost the same hardware, with a few tweaks.

#

But that means you can't just include that bit 25 in the address.

#

Since it's always set High. lol

#

It took me a long time to even realize the ramifications of that.

#

IIRC, the ABUS address comes from the SCU chip.

#

I guess this is partly Saturn-related, but I might as well continue this stuff on the Dreamcast server.

#

Alongside that, I had to add the 93C46 EEPROM core from Jotego, as most ST-V games (and the BIOS) use that to store the settings.

#

Like the type of cabinet (number of players), Multi-Cart and Standalone modes, Credits per coin, etc.

#

I don't think the Backup SRAM is being saved atm either. That would need to work per-game, like it is on Saturn.

#

Or maybe it is being saved, because it's mapped at the same address as on the Saturn? Dunno.

#

All of those kinds of questions. lol

#

It also could really do with MRA support. Maybe even a separate core for ST-V, as the Saturn core is using 95% of the FPGA already.

#

(and ST-V doesn't need the CD stuff enabled, which saved about 10% logic. I have no idea which ST-V games used the SCSI CD drive thing, tbh.)

#

When a game does boot, though, it's usually very stable.

#

I left this running hours ago..

ancient surge
errant crown
#

Holy shit, Robby went to town

#

Looks like over 20 people got kicked out lol

untold cloud
#

Happy New Year, everyone.

#

Let's make it a good one.

#

Just watched the London fireworks on TV, but none of the streaming stuff had the music feed on. lol

#

Well, they did, but not the raw feed.

#

Watched the Paris fireworks, and it was really good.

wise brook
#

remember to fire up clockwork knight for a lovely new years title screen

errant crown
#

I don’t trust advice coming from Todd Howard, though

#

“How do you set the New Years title screen?”
“It just works.”

mortal mist
#

If anyone had a moment to test a few games, I would appreciate it. It's just a matter of whether there are additional bugs compared to the last core that came out, thanks.

📎 Saturn_dualsdram_VDP1_test.rbf
wet hull
mortal mist
#

vf2 and tomb raider works ok , changes for battle garrega caused errors. After undoing these changes everything should work ok (except battle garrega ). I am unfortunately not able to check many games at the moment.

#

besides, all the existing code is up to date

pastel basalt
#

I wonder why it’s just Battle Garegga

mortal mist
#

because this game is evil 😛

visual grove
#

The final boss is Greg

lament tapir
#

how do I get the latest Saturn .rbf? I don't see it on the github unless I'm just starting 2025 as a blind man

celest lake
visual grove
#

Check Robby’s precious pins

lament tapir
#

ah,, sorry, I thought they're usually on the github simultaneously

#

thank you

tall radish
#

Are lightguns not supported yet?

mortal mist
gloomy hedge
pastel basalt
#

It’s my go-to Saturn game

mortal mist
#

play the arcade version and forget about the saturn version

pastel basalt
#

Probably just need to shell out for the m2 ps4 port

#

But I enjoy the Saturn extra characters/settings and the ability to turn some shots into visible bullets

mortal mist
#

just kidding my friend 😄 , I put the core here for people who like to play TR or VF2 until the right fix comes out (and if it doesn't appear then there is an alternative )

pastel basalt
#

It’s amazing how good the vf2 Saturn port is

green swift
#

Once you see how good Saturn does VF2 it kinda pisses you off when you see their botched port of OG VF haha

burnt matrix
wise brook
#

1st time testing the backup function

#

couldn’t really see any instructions, so i made a blank file named it “backup . bin” and put it in the game folder

#

after selecting the game, and then selecting the backup cartridge, on game boot i was asked by the game to reformat the backup device

#

start+a+b+c got me to the dash, formatting was as simple as choosing to clear the memory

mortal mist
muted cradle
visual grove
#

Meh VF must be flat shaded, never loved remix

green swift
#

I love the flat shaded polygons. It was such a short lived aesthetic.

kind bough
#

'new star gp' on steam is a lot of fun

tall radish
inner token
#

just kidding. saturn compatible ones like stunner work with snac, I don't think non saturn ones got added yet.

lusty walrus
#

Hey guys!

Is it normal for sonic jam to have jitter on the menus when using direct video

tall radish
inner kayak
willow pawn
green swift
inner kayak
#

It was done by the demoscene group Plastiq

green swift
#

Damn, that is a pretty game.

burnt matrix
# tall radish ???

Light guns only work through SNAC and using a CRT. USB light guns have not yet been added.

tall radish
burnt matrix
#

But I can’t test

tall radish
#

Last time i asked snac was already available but lightguns where no compatible

tall radish
burnt matrix
tall radish
burnt matrix
#

I think light guns have been in for a while, hmmm

inner token
#

I got them working end of sept, while I haven't tested recently they should work for you.

visual grove
#

I think it’s one gun only due to SNAC not having enough pins right? I only have one gun anyway so..

#

Sorry Saturn I have two GunCons but only one stunner. I’m a traitor

inner token
#

correct, limited by io to one port only for all the sega consoles.

visual grove
inner token
#

which console? saturn?

visual grove
#

Or Genesis

inner token
#

Saturn had it's own 6 port one, it uses the protocol similar to the mouse, 3d pad, and sticks. Saturn also supported the GEN/MD multitap but the protocol is a little different. Those had 4 ports and there was a couple different models. One had a single db9 plug and the other had 2 db9 plugs to be plugged into genesis. There was also Jcarts for genesis that put 2 extra ports on the cartridge itself to make 4 ports available.

burnt matrix
#

Nintendoes what Genecan’t?!😳

visual grove
inner token
#

I had support for both saturn and gen multitaps in the old saturn snac builds which is why I know about them, but it was hacky and I removed them to save space. One build I think I did a multitap option for usb controllers also

thorn pagoda
#

is there any chance lightguns use less pins than full controllers in some way that could enable using two of them?

green swift
hallow fossil
#

Do you know if Saturn Keyboard works via SNAC, Blue?

inner token
#

Well stunner technically only uses 3 wires for start, trigger, sensor but more wires than that are connected internally. I'm guessing those are used for detection. Stunner uses sh2-direct control mode but before that detection is done in smpc control mode. I'm going to guess if you tried to only connect the 3 wires detection fail and gun wouldn't work. Maybe you could force the detection to be a couple stunners and then only use the 3 wires it may work. So maybe not impossible but pretty hacky.

inner token
green swift
inner token
#

thanks don't think I've seen that board before, does it look like most of the wires are going to the chip? Don't worry about it if you already put it back together

visual grove
#

Oops wrong one

#

Meant to paste this one

#

Only 3 like you said

green swift
#

Hmm interesting. So it has potential?

inner token
#

The other wires might be just tied or pulled high or low. You might be able to fool detection if you recreated that. So you'd have to make an adapter that does this that has two ports and only works in this situation. Then fork the core to change the snac pinout and other code to use the io as 2 ports.

visual grove
#

So we need Saturn, Saturn_STV, Saturn_2G. There I did the hard part

#

Saturn_JohnWoo

willow pawn
#

2G?

green swift
#

2 Gun

#

If it would require forking the core I don’t know how worth it it would be.

Just my opinion though.

inner token
#

It could be an osd option to change things around, but I don't think I'd do it unless it was just an experiment.

#

You have a better chance of 2G if someone gets usb ones going.

visual grove
#

Yeah for once GunCon2 will be superior (as if mister users have friends to play vcop with)

frail token
#

A friend of mine says he has to restart the core to load a CD because there's no eject is he doing something wrong

upper dust
frail token
#

I told him that but he says it doesn't load the game with the folder like it's supposed to he has to go into the folder first

upper dust
#

So he has to select the .cue or .chd file itself? You only need to do that if there are multiple .cue or .chd files to load if it's a multi disc game. If it's the only game in it's own directory then the MiSTer will reset the core when selecting a game.

frail token
#

Yes he says so

upper dust
#

Strange - it should just load when selecting the directory.

Is it setup like:
/games/Saturn/Panzer Dragoon (USA)/Panzer Dragoon (USA).chd

frail token
#

Yeah that's what I told him

warped saddle
#

they really need to check that some operating system hasn't littered hidden files in their directories

upper dust
#

Yeah, especially on Mac

frail token
#

This person likes to hate everything and just doesn't want to adapt to how MiSTer does it lol

willow siren
#

Maybe it handles zipped folders differently?

warped saddle
#

it might, but your disk images shouldn't be in zipped folders

frail token
#

We got it sorted out

#

He's just very resistant to the folders idea even though I explained it to him

dense sundial
#

just a little thing I am wondering

#

doesn't Powerslave have a (pathetically tiny) breathing meter, or?

20250103_231641-screen.png
#

-# latest nightly

#

other than that I am having a blast going through Saturn games I've missed

serene thunder
#

That game is good

pearl harbor
upper dust
#

Sorry to besmirch Mac - just a hypothetical. I would end up with some temp and hidden stuff whenever I used a thumb drive on one, but it has been a while 😅

acoustic sable
#

Yeah, they still do that - saving metadata in a ._file

burnt matrix
#

Shrinks in size when you run out of oxygen

celest lake
#

#spicy-off-topic

hearty carbon
#

Dragon Force, huh?

pearl harbor
#

Dragon Force is the best Saturn game! I have spoken!

unique jewel
#

I've just got a virtua gun and a Saturn snac adapter.
Please can someone tell me the correct way to set this up.
Under input I can see the SNAC on/off option, but what shoould I set for the gun?
I can only see the following:
Digtal, off, wheel, mission stick, 3d pad, dual mission and mouse.
Also does the gun have to be set to a specific pad e.g. pad1 or pad2
Any help would be great
Cheers
B

pearl harbor
#

SNAC doesn't need to have those other options turned on or off. As long as SNAC is turned on, it should work.

#

On a CRT at least.

unique jewel
#

Thank you, so just select SNAC and leave everything else as standard?
Do I need to calibrate the gun, if so do you know how I do that.
C an't seem to find a calibrate menu like F10 for other light guns

pearl harbor
#

I don't have a CRT or a virtua gun myself, but assuming it's a standard lightgun, you shouldn't need to calibrate it at all. But yeah, I'm not an expert on it since I only used the NES lightgun back in the day, and only have USB lightguns now, which work very differently. If it doesn't work, hopefully someone else here more knowledgable on the subject can assist!

#

I can confirm that the OSD F10 menu is specifically for USB guns though like the guncon 3.

unique jewel
#

Thank you, that’s good to makes sense, are you using a gun con 3 with the mister?

high bramble
pearl harbor
unique jewel
#

cool I was thinking of getting one, do you have to use the sensors?

pearl harbor
#

The original sensors are pretty big and clunky and need to be hung over the top of the TV.

dense sundial
#

They need to be hung on top of the upper tv corners too

#

On top of the screen area sadly

#

Thanks for reminding me I had orange guncom3 from tc4 lying about

#

Wonder if it's better than the Wiimote, almost the same tech

pearl harbor
#

I know people have had varying degrees of accuracy with guncon 3s, but in my personal experience, I was able to calibrate them to be accurate enough I can remove the on-screen cursor and just aim down the sights and hit my targets.

#

Even for games like Point Blank.

burnt matrix
#

imo of course

hearty marten
burnt matrix
naive whale
#

(Ignore the fact I tell everyone to buy Porkchop shit in the US. But seriously it’s just that good)

naive whale
woeful quarry
#

Any one playing Parking Garage Rally Circuit?

#

It really does feel like a long lost Saturn game, especially when paired with an M30 controller

pearl harbor
mortal mist
dense sundial
#

Huh

#

So it IS a QoL change by nightdive

#

Thanks

mortal mist
#

yeah, version from nightidive is a mix of saturn and ps1

burnt matrix
#

PS1 core being accurate = 5,000,000,000
Weirdness we think are bugs = 2

#

uhhhh, disregard that. i thought i was in #1046940919607345272

#

Saturn core rocks!!!!!!

drowsy hull
#

flobby 😔

warped saddle
#

more like floppy

dense sundial
#

you know what, I never played Mega Man X4 on Saturn

#

ooooh that haze effect and the prolonged intro theme made all the difference!

lofty spire
#

i imagine it's similar just some transparencies are meshes

dense sundial
#

I notice when going through multiplat games the sounds are almost always in different pitch than on PS1

dense sundial
#

okay, I am drunk, I drank two bottles of cider

#

but I definitely know something weird happened there

mortal mist
#

Chd or bin/cue?

dense sundial
#

chd

#

it's okay, it went through the second time without restarts

west quail
#

Does using chd files compress the storage? I know bin/cues are used for multiple tracks, but wondered what else chd is useful for?

vernal sun
#

Chd I only about saving space. That’s it.

stiff patrol
#

its useful as its a single file, that cant be screwed up by people editing cue files or renaming the bin files without editing the cue

#

it takes less disk space too

naive whale
vernal sun
small gust
dense sundial
#

aside from that weird crash to bios (or load to bios?) Mega Man X4 for Saturn has been excellent so far

dense sundial
#

the GameCube pad through the mayflash adaptor works great as a cope-"3D Pad"

frail token
dense sundial
#

hmmm, the configurator just names inputs as L and R

#

oh, dammit

#

Quake detects them as TL/TR but they don't work for sidestepping at all

green swift
#

Your captures look great, Wes.

dense sundial
#

my tv for some reason occasionally loses sync with the core and there's a brief moment of discoloration with massive screen tearing

#

but I know it's not the MiSTer because that never shows up in my recordings on my Elgato Game Capture HD60 X

#

was looking forward to show that

pearl harbor
#

Yeah, the only way to get analog triggers still is the 3D controller through SNAC. Hopefully some day we get USB analog trigger support.

frail token
#

Right

upper dust
#

If we can get generic USB analog sticks, then are analog triggers feasible? I hope so!

cunning citrus
dense sundial
#

the hell happened with that .chd on an sd card then

#

I was joking about .25% chance of corruption as a feature

pearl harbor
mortal mist
ripe valley
#

Back from vacation.

sacred goblet
#

First 2025 release!!!!

hardy lodge
#

Happy saturnday! elmorise

wet hull
#

Nice! I like the implementation of the undocumented feature

#

One thing I would like to bring up is that Cotton 2, second stage, exhibits vertical tears in the background. This has happened before but I could swear it was sorted out a couple of commits ago.

ripe valley
tawny forge
warped saddle
#

there's still that random crash on one of the bosses

#

which I can't reproduce, but I've seen someone have it happen while streaming

#

but even then, not consistently

mortal mist
wet hull
#

I don’t know what you mean by shifted, but the background has vertical ”screen tear”

mortal mist
#

it's normal

#

check what the previous reports were about

muted cradle
#

Forgot to file the Gunbird bug (garbled video shorts between levels). I will have to test that again with the new core.

cunning citrus
#

I'm missing composite blend on the Saturn core. I use it all the time on the Genesis core.

mortal mist
#

lower the sharpness to zero 😛

ancient surge
#

Smear peanut butter on the monitor. That should fix the problem.

ripe valley
frail token
#

Saturn could definitely use it with their janky transparency issues

thorn pagoda
#

just use a really low sharpness horizontal filter

#

around 20

native dagger
#

I had also seen graphical corruption in gunbird on a previous core, just tried the new one and it looks fixed now

pallid pier
#

MKT seems to be working now

cunning citrus
mortal mist
cunning citrus
#

Oof, you got me haha.

unique jewel
#

I have a virtua gun attached to a snac adapter and was playing house of the dead fine.
I tried loading it up today, but now it only recognize the start button, nothing happens when I pull the trigger.
Input is set as follows
Pad1 = Digital
Pad2 = Digital
SNAC = On
Is there anything I'm missing?
Cheers
A

ripe valley
#

We could see some vertical tearing

#

With a CRT TV, the effect is less visible.

mortal mist
#

yes I also checked it on real hw

#

I don't have saturn with me all the time , but Cotton I have already checked on previous reports and this effect occurs.

ripe valley
#

Reclosed issue.

willow pawn
#

Lmao I have a feeling Sonic Jam EU had a bug on ganymede nobody noticed

thorn pagoda
inner token
thorn pagoda
#

or buy the newer cable where thats meant to be fixed, still need to test mine actually 🙂

unique jewel
#

newer cable?

inner token
#

he means for snax, there is an old one and a new redesigned one to try and help with this connection issue

burnt matrix
#

Ohh, I should buy the new cable. I got mine a couple of years back I think?

unique jewel
#

Ok so, I ordered a USB extender cable for SNAC , is this what you mean?
It came the other day and works fine with SNES and MD/Genesis with the level shifter.
Now thinking about it maybe I didn't level shifter the other day.
Got to admit though the connection between the virtua gun cable and SNAC adapter is a bit loose.
I ordered it from Sweden because I couldn't find one in the UK.
They guy from Sweden is trying to adjust his product

inner token
#

He was talking about this cable from mister addons, it has hdmi on one side and works with snax/old snac

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unique jewel
#

@inner token Sorry I'm a total newbie, why does it have a HDMI connector for snax instead of USB for Snax blue USB port?

gusty quest
#

That is a bliss box style cable for SNAX or level shifter boards using HDMI

Works the same as USB SNAC just a different connector

inner token
#

for use with this which eventually connects to mister through the blue usb "user" port.

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gusty quest
#

Is that the Swedish chap on Etsy Akicus ?

unique jewel
#

Yes

gusty quest
#

His listings were not mentioning the need for a shifter board at one point has he changed that ?

unique jewel
#

Here what he said in an email "It is not required but it is recommended because there is a chance that if you run the Saturn SNAC adapter by itself it can harm the MiSTer due to the voltage difference."

I have a Batch 2 Mister Pi BTW

#

I wonder if the version of the game, I doubt it though

gusty quest
#

Considering the Saturn controller is all 5V it really is needed

unique jewel
#

Good to know

gusty quest
#

You will find all those third party Saturn ports on SNAC adaptors are on the loose side sadly but the only source for the ports is Ali Express these days

naive whale
#

ooh fun

gusty quest
#

They work fine just not a very secure fit

unique jewel
#

So with current setup should I connect in the following order: SNAC USB extender cable into Mister Pi SNAC USB port, Level shifter into SNAC USB extender cable, Saturn SNAC adapter into Level Shifter?

gusty quest
#

Yup

inner token
#

yeah. then plug saturn peripheral into snac adapter all the way, then pull it out a 1mm or 2.

#

USB extender cable shouldn't be too long, but it's sounds like it worked for you yesterday

naive whale
#

gonna capture now

pearl harbor
#

It's Saturnday!!

naive whale
#

Radiant Silvergun looking good! Snatcher next

unique jewel
#

So with Virtua Cop, I got some interaction, the trigger worked sporadically, but I had the above my CRT, pointing down at sharp angle before anything thing could happen.
I think it's the saturn adapter, but I've no other way to test it as I'm waiting on a saturn controller to arrive in the post.
I'll try pulling out abit.

ripe valley
#

SNATCHER works on my end.

#

First thing I've tested today, as the issue is quite strange and appeared on other SW emus years ago. I don't know the current status about it on those.

naive whale
#

Nights may have a regression...stuck note in menu

#

like main menu on name and character select

ripe valley
#

I need to check later, thanks for the report.

mortal mist
#

I don't see anything wrong

mortal mist
naive whale
#

capturing new Jag core next

#

AvP loads nicely...wonderful

celest lake
#

I also didn't hear any stuck notes. compared both single and dual ram to the "stable" june core

celest lake
naive whale
naive whale
mortal mist
#

nope

#

works fine here

#

dualsdram

naive whale
#

odd

#

same file set Ive had on my MiSTer. New core

naive whale
celest lake
celest lake
# naive whale odd

I can test on my single ram mister in a bit. but yeah, not hearing it on my dual ram mister pi

ancient surge
#

Maybe it's a bad dump?

zealous karma
#

Tomb Raider still broken with white lines in Laras face

naive whale
mortal mist
pallid pier
#

was about to check VF2 with Sarah, but Nights got me side tracked

mortal mist
pallid pier
#

yea, not getting that Nights sound problem @naive whale

#

@mortal mist was is that for?

naive whale
#

ill have to go back in and check

mortal mist
pallid pier
#

ah

astral moat
muted cradle
ripe valley
#

Yes.

high bramble
#

More specifically, Dual SDRAM, if I had to guess.

lofty spire
#

Sega DS 🙂

ancient surge
#

SEGA DS kind of happened.

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hearty marten
#

My brother had one of those

#

I remember it being really cool

lofty spire
#

Pico 🙂

dense sundial
#

Who's up to make a Pico core?

#

-# I am not suggesting, but

#

Also congrats on Radiant Silvergun thing

hearty marten
#

I guess you could display an image at the bottom of the screen or something, but are there even scans of them?

dense sundial
#

I think that's less of a practical problem than like emulating laserdisc video

#

For a potential Pioneer LaserActive thing with SCD/TGCD boards

pearl harbor
dense sundial
#

Low latency API?

#

Damn I forgot what API stands for

ivory kindle
#

application programming interface

dense sundial
#

There we go

pearl harbor
#

Is that just another way to do SNAC or something? bowserthink

stiff patrol
#

llapi is for the blister

#

it needs special cores and is utterly redunant now

wise brook
#

The idea of using any controller natively on any core is still very cool.
Tragically blister wasn’t made under the same open source spirit as the rest of the MiSTer project

tawny forge
wise brook
#

what’s everyone playing tonight?

drowsy hull
#

update_all.sh like always

mortal mist
#

Quartus Prime 🙂

celest lake
warped saddle
vocal oar
burnt matrix
#

Seems like this is another great build?

slate karma
#

No idea if it was working on the previous build, but MKT is now loading on the latest one 🙂 Even the hacked vers.

hearty marten
celest lake
#

and on Saint James Day

willow siren
#

Big fan of the Sega Saturn was Saint James.

frail storm
#

Anyone tried to play Die Hard Trilogy on the core? Tried, but just has glitched sound and no title screen. Do I possibly have a bad CHD file?

burnt matrix
frail storm
#

I don't even remember, it was kind of a while ago

#

I can always get it again, no worries there

burnt matrix
#

I would make your own CHDs if possible, the ones floating out there are super old

celest lake
#

Isn’t die hard trilogy a rough game? Is that the one needs to be patched?

frail storm
#

I can always just play the PS1 version too

#

if the Saturn one has problems, then I can deal with it

burnt matrix
#

I haven’t tried it on the Saturn core so I don’t know. It’s fun with a light gun tho.

celest lake
#

I’m thinking of die hard arcade

#

Sorry!

burnt matrix
#

Who here loves the Saturn???

visual grove
#

Sure you have to at least respect any god who eats their own infant son

#

Hmm not sure if that’s Saturn

upper dust
frail storm
pearl harbor
#

The better question is...who here doesn't love the Saturn!?

frail token
frail storm
#

I missed out on the Saturn hype train and was a PS1 guy

#

I got most of the popular and well-known Saturn games on the core right now

drifting frigate
stray oracle
#

Can someone explain the difference between the latest test build (2024-12-11) and the latest unstable nightly build (2025-01-06)? Which version should I use?

mortal mist
rich violet
ripe valley
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I've seen some regressions on Dondonpachi.

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Issue reported.

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Could someone verify if Die Hard TRILOGY is working with the current unstable core too ?
Even when removing a cartridge option & setting the core region as US, the game cannot load on my systems.

mortal mist
ripe valley
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I think I have another issue.

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On Golden Axe.

mortal mist
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regressions ❤️

mortal mist
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or something else ?

ripe valley
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Something else, I'm adding it to the issue report.

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The backgrounds are scrambled.

mortal mist
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ok 🍻

ripe valley
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For Die Hard, I will check more thoroughly, as I have another issue than the other user.

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I can't even start the game, only a black screen, without any input response.

mortal mist
mortal mist
ripe valley
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Reported.

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Thanks.

green swift
mortal mist
green swift
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Woops!

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Disregard. I forget about that other game

pearl harbor
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Only the die hards know about Trilogy!

tranquil mulch
unique jewel
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If I use snac on the saturn will it effect both ports ( player 1 & player 2 ).
My snac adapter only has one connector.
I'm sit trying to set up my virtua gun and I read there's a calibrate gun option under options in virtual cop 2.
I tried first using a saturn controller attached to snac to get to that menu, then removed it and then connected the gun then gun.
I'm stuck at the same point, the start button on the gun works ok, but there's no reaction when I move the gun or press the trigger.
I'm now thinking can I plug the gun in first to snac and the just use usb controller to get through the menus?
or will the usb controller not work if I have snac enabled?
I'm going crazy here.