Sega Saturn

[warped saddle]

I can later, had to remove the 5,000 cables and probes from the desk for a bit.

[willow pawn]

Fair enough, I'm building it anyway

I don't expect much myself from the bad luck I had in it haha

@pastel basalt Inverted

[pastel basalt]

unfortunately this one looks rough inverted or otherwise

sorry

[willow pawn]

Yeah I figured the inverted builds never really worked for me haha

There is an alt inversion I'm trying through

[pastel basalt]

I'm just going to use your last build if running through the rt5x

because inverting there looks great

[willow pawn]

Inversion + 1 Line offset

[gusty quest]

the Amiga original ?

[gloomy hedge]

Lol who knows I never played that one. Only the dos one. but the Amiga one is on mister so totally playable 😎

[ripe valley]

I need to take care with all those builds.
I've done an issue report, thinking using the official unstable build, but it was one of kuba's.

The partial revert for VF2 and TR are doing some strange things on Sol Divide (white lines on the special effects) and on Slam n Jam 96 (flickering black lines when zooming/dezooming).

I need to recheck Snatcher too now...

[pastel basalt]

Ahhh so not just battle garegga breaking?

Makes sense

[willow pawn]

This offset reverse build works for me

Fields in reverse order with 1 line offset

Probably the last build I make for now, if this doesn't work I'm completly clueless

(Well completly clueless unless someone with a logic analyzer shows me the syncs are completly wrong but I don't think its the case)

[pastel basalt]

K so let’s see

Characters in Astra look good

Text is just slightly off in titles and in game

Inverting the previous build still better

[abstract fractal]

For my Sony PVM it's ever worse then ever. This is prob only for flatscreens?

[pastel basalt]

Inverting this most recent one is alright actually

[willow pawn]

I test all my builds on my PAL Scart CRT, fed from Analog IO with a Sync Combiner

[upper dust]

this one looks good to me on my NTSC CRT over svideo
#1046941029296779344 message

[willow pawn]

What is going on

[pastel basalt]

lol

[willow pawn]

How does a line offset make stuff look good for me but break stuff for others

[abstract fractal]

This one is the best for me. Not perfect but only wrong at the bottom.

[willow pawn]

I would think than that I didn't correctly allign the vsync

[pastel basalt]

If you invert this one 480i games look good through the rt5x

Just noting for myself lol

[ancient surge]

Where is Mike? Maybe he would know.

[willow pawn]

If anyone here has a logic analyzer they can check the syncs and send me

[halcyon mica]

Hi, tested all three. The last one was the worst ever, the 2nd to last was still not properly interlaced, but less bad than the ones before it

[willow pawn]

This is very very weird considering the that build is the only one that does NOT work for me, hahaha

Very curious too

[safe trail]

Do you need to find the gatekeeper and the key master to unlock the real Zool ?

[gloomy hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/ghostbusters-zuul-pet-dog-demon-animal-gif-17870646

[safe trail]

Exactly

[serene thunder]

Zool apologists are a scourge

Wow, not a single Zool GIF

I hear Zool 2 is ranked 2nd best platformer by many

[gloomy hedge]

second behind the best platformer of all time

I'm of course referring to || Halloween Harry ||

[mortal mist]

If anyone wants to use test cores with the “black transitions” option, please use these. The previous ones I published also included changes for VDP1, I don't want them to differ from what is in the official repository. This can be confusing and lead to non-existent bug reports. @burnt matrix @ripe valley Correct test cores with current code from github:

[burnt matrix]

Thanks, pins updated

[mortal mist]

thank You ❤️

[muted cradle]

@burnt matrix what did you play? Version 0.6 or 0.7 of princess crown?

[burnt matrix]

Whatever the latest is, probably 0.7

[upper dust]

So this one works ok on my 13 inch rounded set, but it's jittery on a 20 inch flat tube I tried. The interlace struggle is real

[pastel basalt]

I feel like hopefully we are close

Just need a matrix to track the revisions and feedback

[gusty quest]

Zool was never that good tbh
It was just Gremlin graphics attempt at a Sonic style clone.
It was ok for the Amiga but nothing special

The interia on the character was bloody annoying too

[errant crown]

What’s your opinion on James Pond?

[gusty quest]

James Pond 2 on the Amiga was pretty good

But still lagging behind platformers on the consoles of the time

It was even ported to the C64

The Amiga is one of my favourite systems but it was treated poorly by Devs and publishers at the time. Far too many ST ports and 8bit shovelware

[serene thunder]

Yeah I'm just dumping on Zool

https://tenor.com/view/ghostbusters-zuul-pet-dog-demon-animal-gif-17870646

[hard reef]

If you’re still looking for test results, SaturnODD has been the build of yours that displayed interlaced correctly for me (Sony Trinitron, Analog I/O board). Testing RS, VF2, TF5

[willow pawn]

This just keeps getting weirder and weirder

(Unless the later builds weren't centered correctly)

wait, its 1px off from the Horizontal

[hard reef]

Ah I missed this - the build you did before saturnODD also displays OK. But that'd make sense as we have the same analog setup don't we (Analog IO to SCART)?

[willow pawn]

Yes, but for me almost every build displays fine

[muted cradle]

I propose to name every new @willow pawn build after a rogue character from the Ghostbusters movies. To avoid confusion and to add a special kind of "cool/zool" to it.

[willow pawn]

Lmao

[gloomy hedge]

What have I wrought

[willow pawn]

Amazing

[gloomy hedge]

Can Robby be the baby from the second movie

[muted cradle]

Debian names its version after Toy Story characters, thus it is not a new concept

[rich violet]

Does the core support multitap for 10-player Saturn Bomberman input?

[shadow merlin]

I haven't done it myself but I'd assume that works over SNAC

Don't think you can have that many players over usb but happy to be proven wrong

[burnt matrix]

Sakura Wars 2 translation imminent 👀

[rich violet]

It would be great if it can be done over USB

[willow pawn]

Are you a fan of this build?
Do you want to see it slightly changed?
For you in luck

This build hopefully fixes interlacing on CRTs that had problems

[severe whale]

What does the backup cartridge support add in the latest nightly build?

[willow pawn]

iirc some games required it

[severe whale]

It’s not about the ram cartridge right?

[hearty marten]

Prove it

[burnt matrix]

I can’t without revealing my sources lol

[willow pawn]

https://segaretro.org/Saturn_Backup_Memory

[hearty marten]

How imminent is imminent? 🥺

[burnt matrix]

I dunno, they have a first release candidate. Seems like probably this month?

[hearty marten]

I am excite

Thank you for sharing the news

[burnt matrix]

yeah but don’t go wide with it haha, plz

[hearty marten]

This is the only place I shitpost, your secrets are safe with me

What it really means is that now is the time to actually finish the first game. I was enjoying it, but kinda holding off after the translation of second game was announced

Cos I wanted to back-to-back them

[burnt matrix]

I stopped playing after some lady told me to pick up a spoon

[hearty marten]

We can finish it together!

[burnt matrix]

I was like “nah, pick up your own damn spoon computer lady” and shut that shit off

I ain’t picking up spoons for randos!

like if they drop it and I was there sure

But not if they TELL me

[hearty marten]

Just pick up the damn spoon!

[pastel basalt]

Let’s goooooooo

[severe whale]

I wasn’t even aware that the core didn’t have support for the backup cartridge

[burnt matrix]

I didn’t know about the peripheral until the core was updated to support it lol

[hearty marten]

Spoken like a man who clearly didn’t accept the Saturn into his heart

[ancient surge]

If you had Saturn in your heart, I'd check that out. Having an entire gas giant planet in your arteries doesn't sound healthy.

[lofty spire]

an entire gas giant planet in your body should only happen if you eat a lot of broccoli

[drowsy hull]

Robby: A saturn fan since it was cool for the first time.

[gloomy hedge]

Perfect

[burnt matrix]

How do you do fellow Saturn fans?

Wow I love Nights into Dreams

[hearty marten]

Why are you playing vanilla nights? It’s Christmas!! 🎄

Side note: I love how someone had to explain the gameplay to srg320 so he could replicate a bug. I had exactly the same questions as him the first time I played it

[high bramble]

Make sure you set the Saturn's date/time as well. 🙂
https://nights.fandom.com/wiki/Christmas_NiGHTS_into_Dreams#Clock_Features

[burnt matrix]

Oh shit, that’s a good point in all seriousness.

[hearty marten]

I was just messing with you 🙂

But it’s a nice little curiosity at this time of year

[brisk ice]

I did not know that :

NiGHTS: Limited Edition: When played outside the winter season, the game becomes "NiGHTS: Limited Edition." The game's presentation (title screen, menus and in-game) is similar to that of the full version of NiGHTS into Dreams with no visual alterations.

[marsh hedge]

You can now enjoy the many deza2 STGs thanks to the cart support added yesterday

[stiff patrol]

what is a deza2 STG ?

[marsh hedge]

Lots of home made shooters were created using dezaemon 2 for the saturn, required backup cart or floppy drive support

[stiff patrol]

ah so a bunch of badly made homebrew. I know to avoid it thanks

[marsh hedge]

Devils blade reboot that got released on steam recently started out as a dazemon shooter for PSX, there are some hidden gems out there

[serene thunder]

RobbPi wasn't even alive when Saturn existed

[pearl harbor]

You're such a tease!

[pearl harbor]

Devil Blade Reboot is like my game of the year!

[marsh hedge]

It's very good

[pearl harbor]

I keep telling the bacon loving guy who makes them Youtubes to play it. But he resists!

[marsh hedge]

2 is definitely a bit of a strange bird mechanics wise when it comes to directing gunfire

[pearl harbor]

So I found a bunch of save files for Dezaemon 2. One for Devil Blade 2 is called "DEZA2___._01". Is it just a matter of changing the name of that file to match the name of the game's save file in the saves folder?

[marsh hedge]

It is a little involved, I did it a different way. There is software called Dezaemon 2 Save Manager (vol 1, 2, 3?), which has the DEZA files (like you ones you found). I loaded up the software, formatted the backup cart, then moved the saves over to the cart using that software. I then renamed the .sav file to match the normal Dezaemon software, and loaded up the game from the cart.

[pearl harbor]

Yeah, I pulled that save file from the save manager by mounting it on my computer.

[marsh hedge]

Yeah you can go that route too and then load the saves onto the .sav file using something like SS Save Parser, but you just need to generate the dummy save first

I plan on going that route now that I have a dummy sav file with the backup contents

[pearl harbor]

So you loaded the Dezaemon 2 Save Manager on your MiSTer?

[marsh hedge]

yeah then formatted the cart using save manager, had mister generate the .sav file, should be 1.11MB in size

You should be able to then load saves up on that using something like SS Save Parser, I havent done that step yet but I do know it can work with .sav files I have used it previously

[pearl harbor]

Sounds like I'll have to do it that way, since I don't have any sort of save parser.

[marsh hedge]

https://github.com/hitomi2500/ss-save-parser/releases

[pearl harbor]

Does that work on Mac?

[marsh hedge]

its only windows, but I use linux so I used wine, im assuming there is wine like solution for mac

but you can really do everything (including copying saves) with dezaemon 2 save manager, you dont necessairly need SS-Save_Parser, each cart can hold up to 5 games, each game has a file named DEZA2___.01-05, so game 1 you can have use .01, game 2 use .02, etc

you only need 1 deza file for each game, as only 1 of each is allowed (for example, you cant use the .01 for 2 games on the same cart)

[pearl harbor]

Ah dang it. Just realized the save manager that I downloaded is in iso format, so I can't open it on MiSTer.

[marsh hedge]

use chdman to convert it, I think thats what I did

chdman createcd -i cdimage.iso -o cdimage.chd

[pearl harbor]

Think I got it converted. Just waiting for the chd to copy over to the sd card and try it out.

Nice, it worked! Now I just need to navigate this thing to create the save.

[marsh hedge]

Its a little clunky, but you will get the hang of it, hit start to see controls

[pearl harbor]

Hmm, it's giving me an error.

Says error saving file when trying to copy it to cartridge memory.

[ancient fractal]

It’s a Qt GUI app apparently, so it should be easy enough to have write a cmake script that builds for mac and linux

[pearl harbor]

Where does it actually save the backup cart on the SD card once it's been formatted? I can't find it anywhere. It's not showing up in the saves/Saturn folder for sure.

[marsh hedge]

the save gets bundled into the .sav file for Dezemon 2 Save Manager, it should show as 1.11MB

[pearl harbor]

That's the thing, that's not showing up.

[marsh hedge]

usually the save size is 65.5kb

do you have auto save enabled in core settings?

[pearl harbor]

Yeah. The OSD shows that it's saving it. But the file is not showing up on the SD card.

[marsh hedge]

did you try copying a save over from Save Manager to the cart?

[pearl harbor]

And now it just randomly showed up! What the fudge!?

Bah! Now the game isn't showing up on the backup cart when I try to load in the game! May have to call it here for now. I'm spending way too much time on this.

[marsh hedge]

Like I said, lots of hoops! I may make some packs down the road on some of the better ones (I think there are around 250 or so), maybe make it easier for some people, but that will be in my spare time

[pearl harbor]

Oh wait, never mind. It did work, I was just loading it from the wrong location in the game. I was following the video that they included with the save game manager, and it said to load it from the bottom file. But it's the top file that it was located in.

[visual grove]

Lots of Hoobs

Lots of hoops you squirt from your eyes

[wise brook]

https://bsky.app/profile/privateye.bsky.social/post/3lcxm5k5zy22q

privateye (@privateye.bsky.social)

Happy birthday Ezra Dreisbach! In the Saturn port of the Egyptian-themed first-person shooter Powerslave, a picture of the esteemed programmer appears on the title screen when the system clock is set to December 10. This Easter egg is also present in Exhumed (Europe) and Seireki 1999 (Japan)

Bluesky · Dec 10, 2024, 3:56 PM

[serene thunder]

That game is pretty darn good
Hopefully DF has it in their new video series

[mortal mist]

"insert disk" => "insert disc" fixed 😉

@hearty marten we can sleep well

[celest lake]

Finally playable again

[burnt matrix]

pins updated

[hearty marten]

Good mod

[gloomy hedge]

so fuckin sick

[gloomy hedge]

please unfix this, we need as much fpga power as we can get for this core

actually wait "k" takes up more pixels than "c"

nevermind carry on, great job

im sure we can use those to add save states to the core

[ancient surge]

Just arbitrarily switch between "disk" and "disc" with each new build to annoy as many people as possible.

[pastel basalt]

Disco

Now everyone is happy

Insert Disco

[hardy lodge]

Next time it's "disk" and someone complains about the typo just replace the s with a c.

[small gust]

I think we should go for the more sophisticated "diskette"

[pearl harbor]

Just call it "floppy".

[gloomy hedge]

Floppy dick?

[inner kayak]

30 years ago, net booting in Novell networks allowed us to skip putting a hard drive in hundreds of workstations, saving $200k (at least). We called them “dickless workstations”

[frail token]

Throw in disque just to really shake it up

[quick sorrel]

Are these the same ones as the unstable nightlies of Dec10?

[mortal mist]

yes, minor corrections only

[quick sorrel]

Sorry but, which ones have the minor corrections, the ones in your post or the unstable_nightlies ones?

[mortal mist]

the latest are from unstable nightlies

[quick sorrel]

thanks

[slate karma]

Has anyone here been having problems with Mortal Kombat Trilogy? Either the hacked or original ones, different regions and different BIOS, all hang on a black screen. Single SDRAM expansion.

[mortal mist]

after mortal kombat logo ?

same for me

core 20241201 = black screen too

20241106 = black screen

20241030 =black screen

20241008 = works fine

[mortal mist]

last core where it works ok is 20241008 , will you report it on github ? or should I do it ?

[ripe valley]

Already done, thanks you two.

Something must have broke with all the big changes on 2024-10-30.

[wise brook]

this fixed Sonic Jam for me, will test your newer builds too

[wise brook]

offset reverse is wrong for me

wow, even the osd corrupts in 480i with that build

[willow pawn]

Very curious

[wise brook]

and lastly @willow pawn your Europa build looks perfect for me.
sonic Jam, Bulk Slash, VF2, VFK,

going thru every 480i screen/game i can think of

[willow pawn]

Nobody tested Europa before so maybe its actually good?

Haha

[wise brook]

did you see someone teasing Sakura Wars 2’s translation btw?

an update i mean

https://fixvx.com/cj_iwakura/status/1866448809129021590?s=46

yup, the Europa revision, with the black frames and dual ram is starting to look a lot like a 1.0 core revision

just in time for Christmas

the Panzer Dragoon Saga start screen looks so good 😩

[dusk sonnet]

What is black transitions?

[ancient surge]

It's a black frame inserted between resolution changes that masks the brief glitched visuals.

The PS1 core has the same feature.

[dusk sonnet]

Oh

Nice

Ill test now

This is for 480i games?

[wise brook]

resolution changes between different 240p outputs too

[willow pawn]

If you have problems on CRT on the Current Version, please test the Europe.rbf I sent

[wise brook]

why’s it called that btw?

[willow pawn]

People joked that I should name my builds

[wise brook]

oh yeah, should mention my specific setup for CRT for reference

i use a retro castle dual-ram MiSTer setup, so it uses his dac IO board

[willow pawn]

I think your CRT matters more than the IO Board

[wise brook]

it’s a Bang & Olufsen AV5

gorgeous tv

[ancient surge]

SEGA Saturn core can be fussy with the RAM and board, so that is still a possibility.

[dusk sonnet]

What problems can happen?

[willow pawn]

Interlaced looks wrong

Here as well

[dusk sonnet]

Looks fine with last unstable 😃

[dusk sonnet]

This is a crt?

[wise brook]

i’ll get you a pic

it rotates on the stand, when turned on the speakers pop out from the side

[dusk sonnet]

Stranger hahaha

Never see this

[celest lake]

Those BO TVs are so good looking. There was one on FBM a couple of weeks back that I was thinking about, but I read that they have a processing unit that can add a bunch of latency so I passed

[willow pawn]

That's the "problem" I had hahaha, can't test if it all looks good

[ancient surge]

I can't test it either. I don't have a CRT, and the Morph 4K I use accepts the interlacing with no issue.

[ancient surge]

Again, I think the flat 60hz with 480i is the main culprit. No analog console has a flat 60hz like that, it's typically slightly off spec.

[willow pawn]

I'm almost certain Its not flat 60hz

[upper dust]

Tested this on a couple NTSC TVs (one flat, one round) and looks good on both!
#1046941029296779344 message

[willow pawn]

We might have something here finally

[burnt matrix]

Black transitions working well?

[upper dust]

Don't see transitions in that build - just testing interlaced video

[willow pawn]

Better, I made an interlaced build that actually worked

[burnt matrix]

I feel like things are in good enough shape to update what’s available on update_all, no? Anyone in contact with SRG to see what his thoughts are.

[burnt matrix]

Wow nice!!

[willow pawn]

Let's test first my interlaced version and send it
The funniest thing about it is that nobody tested it for a day

[willow pawn]

Can you pin the Europe.rbf, I think it finally interlaced right

[hearty marten]

Survived yet another of @burnt matrix’s overzealous cullings 🥳

[high bramble]

[hearty marten]

It’s still happening! 😰

[green swift]

Pray for their souls!

[shadow merlin]

I say purge the non-believers!

[hearty marten]

If we @ them, does it add them back in? 😂

[willow pawn]

The great purge

[burnt matrix]

I can't find your name @hearty marten

[hearty marten]

Offline, m8

[burnt matrix]

ah thanks

[hearty marten]

I like to hide in the shadows

[burnt matrix]

LMAO

[green swift]

The Grim Robby strikes again. 🔪

[dusk sonnet]

Kkkkkkk

[hearty marten]

Hahaha, amazing

[burnt matrix]

@hearty marten

I'm so sorry

please forgive me

[hearty marten]

I was waiting for it 😄

[burnt matrix]

LOL

[visual grove]

YOU DIED

[burnt matrix]

I don't know how to kick myself or else I would've done it by now

[hearty marten]

PLAYSTATION RULEZ!!!

[burnt matrix]

ok sorry for the distraction

[willow pawn]

Roflmao

[visual grove]

Always jealous of the B&O crt people

[willow pawn]

Yeah but they were removed from the thread so they lose

[visual grove]

Wait you saw one in the US? Damn I’ve yet to have a hit in like 5 years 😅

[hearty marten]

fwiw, when I was removed, I could still see everything. Not sure if that’s because I already had it open though?

Or if it only adds you when you actually post something?

[burnt matrix]

yeah, it's just for posting, I am removing more people in one go in-case they want back in

[visual grove]

The only B&O I’ve seen locally are plasma

[burnt matrix]

yeah wow, it's pretty quick on the rejoins

[hearty marten]

The irony is that you removing them might actually notify them 😄

[burnt matrix]

I hope so

[hearty marten]

“Oh, a notification in the Saturn channel. I wonder what that is”

[willow pawn]

Lol

[hearty marten]

^ Best username ever

[burnt matrix]

sorry @obtuse mortar, that one was on purpose because your name made me laugh

[visual grove]

Not Barry Threeballs!!

[hearty marten]

Gotta be a monkey island reference, surely?

[burnt matrix]

ok I'm completely done, sorry

[visual grove]

Heartless monster ^

[willow pawn]

Pin my Europa.rbf I think its working

[wise brook]

i just pulled the latest build from nightlies and it doesn’t have your fixed output single & dual

[willow pawn]

Yes, because I don't know if its actually fixed or not

[wise brook]

just thought i’d let you know

[visual grove]

Why is it called Europe?

[willow pawn]

Somone joked that I should name my builds

I forgot that was a Jupiter moon and not a Saturn moon

[hearty marten]

Wouldn’t it be better to just post it in test builds?

I suspect lighting up that channel would get more eyes on it

[wise brook]

phoebe and rhea

[burnt matrix]

No, just name it normally. Otherwise it'll confuse people.

[visual grove]

Neat so this solves interlacing forever?

[willow pawn]

I hope so

[ancient surge]

Maybe? Can more people test it just to be sure?

[willow pawn]

Yes, that's why I asked it to be pinned

[green swift]

What are good games to try for interlacing?

VF2 probably obligatory

[burnt matrix]

@willow pawn I can post in #test-builds for you and @ you

If you want that, can you give me a quick rundown of what the build has that needs testing?

[green swift]

Die Hard Arcade?

[thorn pagoda]

ALL THESE BUILDS ARE YOURS - EXCEPT EUROPA. ATTEMPT NO INTERLACING THERE

[willow pawn]

I tested VF2 and Astra Superstars

[upper dust]

Radiant Silvergun
DOA
Daytona USA

[wise brook]

i’ve gone thru 30 games with 480i

looking good with europa

[pastel basalt]

I didn’t test it because I thought it was specifically tuned for PAL

[thorn pagoda]

don't we have 240p test suite on saturn now? that has an interlacing test

[pastel basalt]

Lol

[thorn pagoda]

PAL would be a good thing to test tho

[willow pawn]

Post it and Rename it

It should fix interlacing on Direct video and Analog video in cases it was broken

[willow pawn]

Oopsies

[pastel basalt]

No worries haha

I was going to ask but got sidetracked anyway

[hearty marten]

It’s a good point that you probably wanna test against both NTSC and PAL though (I say this knowing nothing about CRTs)

[pastel basalt]

My crt can do 50hz but black and white only

[hearty marten]

I’m sure there are some PAL gamers around here

[thorn pagoda]

i'm sure we have some PAL tubesmen around

[hearty marten]

I would help but I don’t have a CRT

[sudden tusk]

Someone hook me up with an NTSC build

I’m ready to test

[thorn pagoda]

i'm one of them i just don't have access to it right now

[willow pawn]

Its pinned

[thorn pagoda]

Europa build in the pins

[hearty marten]

Might wanna edit your post to make it clear that the name was a joke 😄

[willow pawn]

Yoooo I'm blue

Dabudi Dabudai

[burnt matrix]

Thanks for your work dude, gave you a Technomancer role

[sudden tusk]

I have 6 crts and the MikeS/Misteraddons s vid/composite adapter so I can test all different kinds of signals

[burnt matrix]

you do a lot for people here, thank you

[thorn pagoda]

well deserved

[willow pawn]

Was the core broken on one of them

[sudden tusk]

Congratulations!

[pastel basalt]

Kash Money strikes again

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/nice-old-man-gif-5807632

[burnt matrix]

also thank you for your $10 paypal donation

to me

not related at all to the role change

[sudden tusk]

I have yet to test.

[willow pawn]

Certainly not

[hearty marten]

Can I request a brown username for my services to shitposting plz?

[ancient surge]

If you were green you would die.

[willow pawn]

True

[sudden tusk]

Where’s the latest core kash?

[willow pawn]

Either in #test-builds or in pins here

[burnt matrix]

apologies ahead of time for the pings

[sudden tusk]

Wait ! I’m ntsc!

[willow pawn]

Yes, good, test it

[sudden tusk]

Ok , give me like ten mins to set up

Just to be clear I am to test the Europa.rbf ?

[willow pawn]

Yes

[sudden tusk]

On it

Results and pics in about 20

[celest lake]

Oof, it may be a different model now looking at it #crt message

[burnt matrix]

ok enough spamming

thank you again @willow pawn

[upper dust]

Europa may not be a moon of Saturn. but people will definitely know the name of the build!

[sudden tusk]

@burnt matrix can you give me the role of apex alpha ?

[drowsy hull]

robby had a powertrip again?

[ancient surge]

The fact there are 146 moons orbiting Saturn means Kash could of hypothetically kept up this running gag for a long time.

[burnt matrix]

sorry I can't spell

[willow pawn]

The funniest thing - I only tested that build now because I already knew it would be working for me
(I was right)

[burnt matrix]

a little bit : (

[ancient surge]

Also I find it cute how the SEGA Titan Video was named after one of Saturn's moons.

[willow pawn]

Can't wait for S/2020 S 9.rbf

[pastel basalt]

Europa looking perfect on rt5x

[willow pawn]

And none of the others looked right, right?

[sudden tusk]

First up for Europa is decathlete !

[wise brook]

for me everything had problems until “inverted” then “europa”

[willow pawn]

For me nothing had problems except inverted funnily enough

[pastel basalt]

none looked correct on the rt5x without inverting

[ancient surge]

Maybe I should test the Morph 4K just in case...

[sudden tusk]

Still getting some jittery edges in the character select screen

But in game looks great !

[upper dust]

One issue - my svideo has lost color sync a couple of times in DOA. Fixes itself after the games attract mode starts again. Composite is unaffected, so it could be the chroma and luma channels losing sync.

[wise brook]

Best part I can now send the current test build out the analog, thru my scart splitter, into my Tink5X & crt and get a wonderful dual output solution on dual ram

[willow pawn]

What game is that?

Maybe its resolution specific so I can check

[upper dust]

dead or alive

[sudden tusk]

@willow pawn decathlete is solid all the way around looks great!

[upper dust]

it's inconsistent - just letting the attract mode run

[sudden tusk]

It’s elan doree

Toryu densetsu elan doree

[willow pawn]

Supposedly both are 704x448

[ancient surge]

Thunder Force V also outputs at that resolution.

[burnt matrix]

ok yeah, posting about it filled this post back up.

[willow pawn]

I think the adapter alone makes the Chroma

[pastel basalt]

confirmed looking good on my crt (dv to component)

[upper dust]

Chroma and luma are passed through the top two VGA pins in s-video mode. S-video should just be passive. I'm using a MiSTer Addons Active YC Adapter. FWIW it does correct itself eventually.

Darius 2 is a good 480i test since the screen is super wide. Text looks good! A little bouncy but about what you'd expect from 480i in general

[pastel basalt]

I've only been testing Astra Superstars and Dead or Alive

[willow pawn]

I've only been testing VF2 and Astra Superstars (all worked except for the first inverted build)

[pastel basalt]

so weird, lol

great work!

[wise brook]

I went out my way to find things that weren’t just made by Sega internal teams, just in case some random studios used rare bespoke resolutions

Ninpen Manmaru

the Sega extreme splash screen for fan translations

[willow pawn]

You have 704x448 and 640x480

[sudden tusk]

Last Bronx looking and playing good

[visual grove]

Tried Cotton Boomerang, intro/attract looks much better. Can compare directly with Saturn in a bit

Man I hate the stupid FMV they put on the Saturn VF2 before it cycles to the real attract mode

Hated it back then too. The VF2 arcade attract is so good too

[sudden tusk]

All Japan pro wrestling featuring virtua looking great !

[willow pawn]

The worst thing, its 240p

[sudden tusk]

Anybody else check out the Astra superstars image gallery ?

[visual grove]

Weird my basement setup isn’t showing the external drive, will have to figure that out later before doing a side by side with real Saturn

[ripe valley]

Sorry, I'm testing other games at the moment.

Just a reminder if some day the question should be raised.
The signs on the dialog box on Solo Crisis (Japan) are a normal behavior of the game.

Taken from a direct capture of an original system.
That's not an issue with the core.

[burnt matrix]

That's the game from the Actraiser team, right? Can a non-Japanese speaker enjoy the game?

[ripe valley]

From Quintet, yes.
Not, it's really text heavy and kanji heavy, I even have troubles to understand what to do without the manual.

But, we have a note here if someone will have the idea to check with a search function.

[burnt matrix]

** 𝐅𝐨𝐫 𝐍𝐞𝐰 𝐌𝐞𝐦𝐛𝐞𝐫𝐬 **

Reach out to the <@&806015468916703282> team if you don't have access to this post and want to comment. There's a limit on how many members can be part of a post so we need to clear people out if you'd like to join.

[celest lake]

Robby the butcher

[lapis ledge]

Just came in to say that the europa build looks great for interlaced video 💥 I'll try a few more sets but definitely a huge improvement

It's a single ram build, not dual ram, right?

cool, just thought I'd double check bc of doa slowdown (since I didn't put on fast access)

[willow pawn]

Single yes

So far it seems like I'll PR it this evening

[visual grove]

I tested it on a bunch of other TVs and monitors, looks great @willow pawn

Compared directly with hardware Saturn as well

Nailed it

Thanks!

[willow pawn]

Excellent
There's just one thing I noticed, PAL looks really offset down (but who plays Saturn on PAL, and this is probably not an interlaced thing)

[visual grove]

Oh yeah sorry didn’t try PAL

Because F that

[willow pawn]

Today was the first day I tried PAL hahaha

[visual grove]

I’ve got a couple pvms that can do PAL if you want more eyes but I say screw those guys

Despite the rbf name..

[willow pawn]

My CRT does PAL but it accepted everything so far so whatever

SCART native bby

[hearty marten]

y u guys h8 pal? 🥺

[visual grove]

Thanks a lot for spending your time on this

special thanks for not spending time on PAL

[willow pawn]

This is the Sega Saturn, not the Amiga 500

[visual grove]

Saturn core is really spot on now

Minus the minor slowdown for single ram fighters of course. I finally put dual rams in my v2 mistercades but haven’t bothered to put dual Saturn core there yet since there’s no real benefit for the shmups I’d want for cab play

[wild maple]

Hi, I have a problem with Mortal Kombat Trilogy, black screen after startup, I have a single RAM, is it possible to use it? Thanks

[burnt matrix]

Dumb question but do other games work for you?

[upper dust]

MK:T regression was found earlier today. Last build where it worked was October 8th

#1046941029296779344 message

[wild maple]

thanks 😦

[upper dust]

Top people are on it

(or at least aware of it)

[lapis ledge]

I think there’s still a small bit of offset difference in where lines are hitting vs an original Saturn

Which does hit fine text clarity a tiny bit

But huge improvement

Mainly see it in kanji render

[willow pawn]

VF2 Kanji is weird I noticed

[lapis ledge]

Original console

Europa

Can also see slightly in the press start area, but harder comparison because of the background

Mainly with the E center portion blending up a bit

[thorn pagoda]

on consoles like ps2, gamecube, and xbox, games would often introduce a vertical flicker filter when doing 480i output, this seems to soften the image but reduces obvious bobbing motion on long horizontal edges. my question is could we add a vertical flicker filter to the saturn (or other) cores even though saturn never had one?

[eternal mantle]

Regression on Mortal Kombat II. The right side of player 1 with wrong pixels.

[willow pawn]

It was fixed a week ago, yes?

If yes than its my bad and unrelated to my changes
If you're not meaning my build than fair enough

[eternal mantle]

This is yesterday's build. Just tested with your test build from today and it is the same.

[willow pawn]

Ah than unrelated to my stuff

[mortal mist]

in older cores it is the same

20241008

in yesterday's build, I didn't change anything in the vdp

this error must have been around for a while

[halcyon mica]

Busy with work, will test later when I'm home

[visual grove]

I can take a look again later at astra superstars. Cotton boomerang looked pretty spot on but I guess I was doing side by side with two TVs and should have been switching back and forth on the same tv for Saturn/mister

Either way worth committing IMO

It seemed significantly better than what I last tested a while ago

[mortal mist]

20240902 same. Are you sure this is an error?

[visual grove]

People discovering MK is shite 😜

[mortal mist]

Since when is this regression? since June it still looks the same

[forest heart]

Interlaced looking great on my set, maybe just needs some yc.txt fine tuning as over composite it’s pretty crawly still

Core feels ready for update all to me for sure

[lapis ledge]

It’s definitely an improvement by quite a bit

Just figured worth it to test on a high tvl pro set so I could see the separate fields more easily

[ripe valley]

Not sure if this is a regression for MK II.

[mortal mist]

I'm not sure either

[burnt matrix]

Mortal Kombat is awesome, disclaimer I have a good friend there who’s the lead artist

[pastel basalt]

Would love a Europa dual ram build! I assume it will be integrated soon at this rate

480👀 for all

[burnt matrix]

I’m really glad all the CRT owners have this awesome new build

[visual grove]

So yeah there are less gray pixels on real hardware

[pearl harbor]

Tell them that they did good in Mortal Kombat 1.

[visual grove]

You can see the smaller amount of them better via ossc to a flat panel here

On mister it’s like up to a quarter her arm can crawl grey pixels

[celest lake]

Finally, we are getting to the important fixes

[visual grove]

Mister

[burnt matrix]

I can’t unfortunately. We’ve been friends for so long our friendship has evolved into open animosity and constant dunking on each other. The moment I show any adoration or support it will backfire on me lol.

[pearl harbor]

But it's not your support! It's mine! Just tell them that you think their work is crap, and that I think it's great! Problem solved!

[hearty marten]

I remember someone once pulling me to one side and saying “you really don’t like x, do you?”. Me: “why?”. Them: “because you’re nice to them”

[celest lake]

Tell them that Ed dropped the ball and they should have done Lady Scorpion

[burnt matrix]

lol

[celest lake]

they should have done a lady scorpion. MK1 literally unplayable

[drowsy hull]

(s)he is a sleleton, no way to tell

[high bramble]

Lotta 'he' and 'his' in that bio...

[celest lake]

Could have been a Lady Scorpion

[pearl harbor]

More importantly. Robby called me his friend! I have my first friend!!

[drowsy hull]

but it is robby

[sudden tusk]

Backup cart is kinda dope ! Now I have 4 extra save slots for PD SAGA !

[gloomy hedge]

and Robby got his first too!

its a christmas miracle!

[stiff patrol]

Robby tells that to everyone

[gloomy hedge]

what a big heart robby must have

making everyone feel special

and lying to everyone

[stiff patrol]

if he asks you to touch his heart. Say no

[gloomy hedge]

too late

he did and now we're getting married

texas loves same sex marriage I hear so we'll be fine

thanks for your concern

and scene

[hard reef]

@willow pawn Tested your europa build on NTSC (RS, TFV, VF2) & PAL (Tilt!, Formula Karts SE) fine. Also tried the 240p test suite and the 480p Mode Demo and these seem OK too. Thanks! (Sony Trinitron, analog i/o, RGB SCART)

[willow pawn]

Excellent

[pearl harbor]

Whoa whoa, I don't remember saying I was his friend!

[gloomy hedge]

[hearty marten]

I thought we were friends 😭

Is this because I forgot about Trails? 🥺

[slate karma]

Thanks for going through and testing all that, I posted right before I went to bed so hadn't thought to test the cores 😄 Just figured it was my setup!

[mortal mist]

no problem!🍻

[warped saddle]

I'm glad interlacing is better, now I can put my saturn away

[sudden tusk]

Made it to disc 3 of PD SAGA! Omg game is so amazing ! K

[warped saddle]

btw, the only way I could reliably put probes on it and also see the output was to use my arcade cab as a gigantic scart->vga converter

[serene thunder]

Are you kidding or you really enjoy it?

[sudden tusk]

Are you kidding? Nah saga is a must play for everyone here .. in terms of gameplay and story it’s bar none above anything else of its generation

[serene thunder]

Now I wanna play SF Zero 3

[willow pawn]

Scart TO VGA?

Not the other way around?

[serene thunder]

Or maybe Cyber... BOTS

Back in my day, we didn't have Jotego cores

[warped saddle]

saturn scart -> scart to jamma -> splitfire (jamma to vga) -> modified vga cable -> logic probes

I have a scart -> bnc thing, but suprise it's only JP21, not euroscart

(I hate jp vs euro scart)

[pastel basalt]

I didn't realize there was a difference

[warped saddle]

same connector, completely different pinout

[gloomy hedge]

thats not the fun kind of surprise

[ancient surge]

So will the interlacing fix get pulled in the next build? I want the dual RAM build.

[celest lake]

If there is a PR, probably sooner than that. SRG is pretty good about approving pull requests

[willow pawn]

I sent it

[pearl harbor]

I never forget a betrayal!

[sudden tusk]

I could legit give a 2 hour TED talk on how and why Panzer Dragoon saga is superior and way more relevant to gamers today than FFVII AND FFVIII .. @burnt matrix

And @serene thunder

[burnt matrix]

☝️that’s him officer, that’s the guy who likes Panzer Dragoon Saga

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/mattp-do-you-think-it-funny-gif-21356244

[gloomy hedge]

cant spell dragoon without

GOON

[celest lake]

I love panzer dragoon saga. I just started my first play through in twenty….five(?) years

[sudden tusk]

No goon bro I’m 💯 serious

[burnt matrix]

It called Panzer Dragoon because it drags on so much they added an extra o

[sudden tusk]

Wait till you get to the underground yet undersea ruins midway through disc 2

[burnt matrix]

I got to the desert area, the game is cool

[sudden tusk]

No it doesn’t ! The story and pacing of the game is so concisely planned that it’s just seems seamless ..

Unlike FFVII that takes like 7 hours before you actually get to play the game

[sudden tusk]

The wind effect on the sand ! It’s amazing

Get to disc 2 the fully 3D rendered environments just get better as you go

[celest lake]

Oh I remember. I forgot how good the combat was

[sudden tusk]

Hell yeah ! Just you and your dragon don’t need no bloated party full of mostly useless characters to worry about .. like other games

[ripe valley]

VDP2: Fixes for Interlaced mode PR added

[ancient surge]

I'm trying out the new build, and I don't know if this is some sort of mandela effect, but I swear the interlacing looks even better over the Morph 4K?

Not complaining obviously, just an observation I've noticed.

[sudden pumice]

Just tell him it didnt suck that bad

[radiant karma]

New interlace fix also fixed DOA issues when changing resolutions at the start of the match for me.

[tall haven]

Greetings. I am using the newest single ram build, and have audio glitches on 3d fighters like Virtua Fighter and Fighters Mega mix. For some reason sound effects play but not music. Any ideas?

[hearty marten]

Have you run memtest recently?

I think people have historically had sound issues when their sdram hasn’t been able to hold a high clock speed

(For sega rally, most notably)

[celest lake]

you mean the unstable nightly, or the latest core pulled down by update_all?

[hearty marten]

Also check your disc image… could be a track/index issue…

[radiant karma]

I had the same issue. Was solved with another iso source.

[tall haven]

Nightly, and this is on the new QMTEch. Just got it yesterday

[celest lake]

analog out for audio

or HDMI?

updating my qmtech stack right meow

[tall haven]

Just tried HDMI so far. Thanks for the tips. The music does play from these images on the beetle retroarch core if that even matters.

[celest lake]

testing meow

[radiant karma]

The images worked perfectly on the core before. An update a few months ago forced me to get new ones. I've been playing vf2 no issues since.

[celest lake]

this is using redump. are you guys using bin/cue or chd?

[tall haven]

Darkwater bin/cue

[burnt matrix]

Try Redump if you don’t mind

[tall haven]

Cool good to know I should be able to get it working on the QMtech

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/salt-n-pepa-push-it-real-good-hip-hop-rap-80s-gif-16181344

[warped saddle]

all this interlacing testing as done is make me wish the mister scaler had motion adaptive deinterlacing

[pastel basalt]

Yeah that would be cool

Love that on the rt5x particularly for ps2

[gloomy hedge]

can confirm is tight

[sudden tusk]

I don’t need no fancy retro twink scalers ! Just my good old Toshiba crt circa 2002

[pastel basalt]

Love my crt of course, just nice to future proof for the day it dies

[gloomy hedge]

Love my CRT but my viewers can't watch that

Need something sexy for yhem

Something nice and beautiful

Mmm delicious

And for myself

[sudden tusk]

Both sufficient excuses I suppose ..

[gloomy hedge]

we all know if you dont record footage all your gameplay is null

never hapened

one p

thats how little it mattered

[sudden tusk]

You play any 2D fighters ?

[gloomy hedge]

umvc3

been playing ratio mostly

thats really neat idea and its been making our games a lot more fun

[pastel basalt]

I think that message always comes before a CHALLENGE

[gloomy hedge]

some third strike

yeah and then taco is gonna be like

FIGHTCADE LETS PLAY something or another

if you want some 3s, I'll dust it off and see if I can give you some challenge

[sudden tusk]

Actually I’m console only atm ..

[gloomy hedge]

oh so you dont actually play 2d fighters

guess I'm the only one

[sudden tusk]

Master rank in SF VI

[gloomy hedge]

thats not even 2D bro

[burnt matrix]

The Princess Crown translation got an update!

https://github.com/eadmaster/pcrown/releases/tag/v0.7.5

[gloomy hedge]

SF6 is where all the players do the girl butt mods right

pretty sure its just as horndog masquerading as a game

[sudden tusk]

That’s for the pc incel nerds !

[celest lake]

THEY CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS

[sudden tusk]

No mods on console

[gloomy hedge]

ah so you're saying you have to deal with that crap gameplay and you dont even have incel mods!?

wake me when third strike

only sf worth playing against anyone

[sudden tusk]

I’m also gold rank in SFst, SF ALPHA 3 , 3s

[gloomy hedge]

I'm zero rank

unranked

[sudden tusk]

Gold rank in mvc1 mvc2 and marvel super heroes on the latest marvel
Collection

[gloomy hedge]

oh my god are you still talking about console

fightcade is the only place where any fighting happens trust me

[sudden tusk]

Soon to be master rank in mvs2 in the upcoming collection

[gloomy hedge]

until you fight random brazilians who know like weird ass tech

but yeah wake me up with 3s fightcade, I am snoozing

[sudden tusk]

That’s what everyone says .. fightcade , console real life unless you are also a god like me ..
You’ll lose

https://tenor.com/view/skeletor-myah-myaah-myahahaha-laughing-dasmemistgut-gif-336039619469791592

[gloomy hedge]

console gamers dont lose to each other

they just lose to the internet

😉

every loss or win was comcast's fault

(at least it will be if I play!)

[sudden tusk]

I can’t even blame the internet bro .. I’m rocking fiber 1Gb a sec ..

https://tenor.com/view/computer-reaction-approval-internet-surfing-gif-7209026062100218276

[visual grove]

It’s good for constipation

[gloomy hedge]

you dont blame the internet

you blame the netcode

which on console is assymcgee

[ancient surge]

Been playing Ys in the Falcom Collection on the core. Always enjoy playing some classic Falcom, and this remake is one of the more accessible ways to play the original Ys.

[sudden tusk]

What! Broh you hating on console hard .. I’m starting to get mad

With your GpuS and PPUs

[gloomy hedge]

want to play some tekken 8 on ps5 let me know lol

I havent touched it since I bought it btu im sure I can manage

how hard can it be

you just do some flow charting

some kbd's

its fine

[sudden tusk]

When it comes down to 5 bucks I’ll get it

In the meantime get any sf on console and let’s go !

[pastel basalt]

Does this version have an English patch?

Would love to play those other falcom games in English on that collection

Also does it use the pc-engine soundtrack?

[gloomy hedge]

fresh outta those!

[quick sorrel]

How is it more accessible? Compared to the PC or TG16 versions?

I recently replayed Ys 1 on TG16 and even though I more or less remembered the mirror puzzle from childhood, it was a reminder of old school puzzle crap that I don’t enjoy much anymore. 😅

[high bramble]

Princess Crown is pretty fun. Gorgeous graphics, nice music, and huge beautifully drawn sprites. Impressive.

Something funny about Gradriel's animation though. She walks like she's riding a unicycle that isn't there...

[pearl harbor]

Only Ys 1. Ys 2 on Saturn still doesn't have an english patch. No idea if anyone is even working on it!

[quick sorrel]

Not that I recall. Every version of Ys compilations seems to have its own version but I don’t know all of them

[willow pawn]

Beat me to it

[rich violet]

I guess that fixes:

• https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/299
• https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/301

[ripe valley]

For the Dual RAM build.
#1046941029296779344 message

[rich violet]

Or here: #unstable-nightlies message

[twin canyon]

i'll give you ONE person who won't play princess crown translation - ROBBY

[quick sorrel]

But he already did, no?

[muted cradle]

@mortal mist , any chance to adapt the screen flip code from the PSX core and port it to the Saturn core? You did so with the black frames insertions on resolution switch and the missing screen flip is the only thing that prevents me from playing the vertical Saturn STGs (my monitor can just be rotated clockwise, most STGs would sadly need to be rotates anticlockwise.

[mortal mist]

I'll check it out

[willow pawn]

I think its quite a bit more involved, checking the PSX code

I can try something

[thorn pagoda]

i think on psx it relies on the fact the framebuffer is in ddr

not sure how saturn does it

[willow pawn]

Yeah I don't think it would work

[visual grove]

Are there a lot of tate games on psx?

Looks like a lot of the same as on Saturn searching

[thorn pagoda]

quite a lot yeah

porkchop personally requested that feature

[burnt matrix]

pins updated

[mortal mist]

yeah, I don't see how it can be done

[thorn pagoda]

can you buffer one line then read it out reversed ? its easier than rotation anyway

not sure we have bandwidth for all that either

[mortal mist]

it definitely requires a deeper analysis

[willow pawn]

Potentially

[burnt matrix]

imagine being on the stable core from June wondering what all the fuss is about

couldn't be us

[hearty marten]

I like the stable core. It’s more stable

[visual grove]

Wonder when he will do a release, lot of people missing out on the greatness. Namely interlaced video everyone’s favorite for video games

[mortal mist]

I think he may want to fix the last known issues

[visual grove]

Yeah fair gotta de-gray MK arms or MK fans will complain their janky fighter looks off (sorry Robby’s best friend who totally knows they are Robbys friends and it’s def not one-sided)

[radiant karma]

I wonder if the next stable release will include both dual and single sdram versions.

[visual grove]

There are other things where multiple versions are distributed. Like GBA / GBA2P

Seems reasonable this could be the first single/dual distro since it would be silly to deny single an easy path where majority are single and it works very well but at the same time dual should have an easy update path for the improved experience

[sudden tusk]

I hope then next update breaks all MK games across all
Cores forever

MORTAL KOMBAT SOOOOOKS!

You nerds should be playing PD saga !

[burnt matrix]

lol PD Saga

[sudden tusk]

You think it’s a joke bro ?

[burnt matrix]

imma bout to flex on u

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/chimp-monke-monkey-monky-muscles-gif-21212025

[sudden tusk]

lol you doing this again .. one time is fine but now you are just acting out for attention

[burnt matrix]

it’s true, I just want you to be my friend ☹️

I love PDS

[sudden tusk]

Admit that it’s not only objectively a better game than any FF but also way more influential to gaming as a whole than anything squeenix has ever made

[burnt matrix]

lol shit you one upped me AND you have a nicer tile floor

[mortal mist]

@burnt matrix @sudden tusk you can send it to me , don't throw it away 😛

with a heavy heart , but I will accept it

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-man-no-man-no-gif-7347715096894588969

[lofty spire]

i guess Saga runs good on the current Saturn core?

[mortal mist]

yes , works good 🙂

[lofty spire]

heck yeah gamer

[sudden tusk]

I’m midway through disc 3 !

[lofty spire]

niiiiice

[burnt matrix]

[sudden tusk]

I stole this picture!

[drowsy hull]

Does not make it worse I think

[sudden tusk]

I’m spreading it around like a California wildfire

[drowsy hull]

You should peint out a thousand stickers and make him imortal

[burnt matrix]

@visual grove sorry, I just noticed some potential personal info in that photo so I wanted to play it safe

Feel free to reupload if you don’t care

@sudden tusk same reason I removed it from #general-banter

[sudden tusk]

@visual grove I saw that too!

[visual grove]

How DARE you

[hearty marten]

Nice to see @burnt matrix abusing his power again

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/peeping-tom-gif-10719722

[visual grove]

Oh those Needham Dance Theater tickets?

[burnt matrix]

yah

[visual grove]

Oh yeah I don’t care

[burnt matrix]

Ok cool, sorry about removing it then

[visual grove]

Hey everyone I live in Needham MA

[sudden tusk]

I’m from Wisconsin !

[visual grove]

Think I’ve already said that multiple times, it’s cool

[sudden tusk]

He didn’t remove my pic so now people know I have sweet tiles and I enjoy Mike and Ike’s as well as squash!

[burnt matrix]

I did a quick scan of that too. I’m trying to be more proactive about protecting people’s personal info.

[sudden tusk]

I appreciate it !

[hearty marten]

Did you pay $9/mo for the @burnt matrix self-dox protection premium subscription?

[sudden tusk]

But yeah we should be focusing on the important things .. like how I am about to become the first person to ever beat PD saga in FPGA form !

[visual grove]

There you go, redacted so Robby is comfy

[sudden tusk]

Can you also draw a goofy mustache on Robby ?

[visual grove]

Wouldn’t want to deny the world this work of art

I spent 45s cutting out Robby afterall

[sudden tusk]

Extra curly mustache !

[visual grove]

I flipped him over though in case my wife and daughter start asking questions

That’s the “to shred” bin but people are lazy and stuff other recycling in there

[burnt matrix]

new profile photo

[sudden tusk]

Love the face tat!

We are off to a great start today! Great job everyone !

[green swift]

It looks like the Wario version of Robby. Knobby? Snobby? Warobby???

I’m going with Warobby. 🙂

[visual grove]

Wahbby?

The main difference between Robby and Warobby is Robby can keep track of which hand is which unaided most of the time

[willow pawn]

ʁobby

[sudden tusk]

This has gone on long enough! LEAVE @burnt matrix alone!

https://tenor.com/view/leave-her-alone-crying-sad-meme-gif-7532714405379060898

[green swift]

Warobby is evil, the type of guy that stores 6 figures worth of Neo Geo AES games and hardware in a foot rest.

[soft goblet]

Robby is the kind of guy who'd drop common loot when hit by a car

[celest lake]

poor robby

@burnt matrix I still love you buddy. As my grandma used to say, "Fuck them haters"

[gloomy hedge]

I AGREE!

[sudden tusk]

#Istandwithrobby!

[gloomy hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/band-of-brothers-gif-27205452

[sudden tusk]

Major Dick Winters!

[muted cradle]

@mortal mist , @willow pawn big thanks go out to both of you for checking!! Bad luck for me. I think I have to wait until I have moved homes. Both my (PAL) CRTs are already there for (available) space reasons and the smaller one should be turnable to both sides.

[willow pawn]

Technically you can use scaler

I believe

[tall radish]

What was the filename for the Saturn BIOS that made the core detect it automatically again? I accidently deleted it when I was messing with my ROM folder and now I'm having to select it manually every time I boot the core.

[pastel basalt]

all cores should have one named boot.rom

[ancient surge]

boot.rom

[tall radish]

Thank you! All working now.

[dusty shale]

SNAC acquired

[stiff patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/cheeseburger-stacked-burger-tower-tall-big-gif-5715233482568075672

snack acquired

[dusty shale]

that's more of a stack than a snack

[hearty marten]

It’s so beautiful 🥹

[pastel basalt]

I always eat serial for a good afternoon snac

[abstract fractal]

New Saturn core from today works a lot better on my Sony PVM.

[polar mountain]

The Saturn core is perfect now... a little TOO perfect.
Makes me suspicious.

[halcyon mica]

Hi, finally had time to test it today. Looks perfect on the Commodore 1084 🥳

[willow pawn]

Good news in that case, its already in #unstable-nightlies

[halcyon mica]

congratulations on the fix

[willow pawn]

Also can someone mark Chibi Maruko Taisen Puzzle Dama as working on the core (Assuming compatibility list is still relevant)
Cause I played that and it wasn't on the list apperently

[mortal mist]

please request access

[willow pawn]

Done

[mortal mist]

and done 🙂

[willow pawn]

Now Europa is on the list

[kindred sundial]

Woah seems like another big SATURNDAY. Does anyone know if the core will eventually support a guncon2? Just trying to save myself the $$$ of a snac adapter and finding a stunner

[clear condor]

It should eventually support USB guns, yeah - that's the remaining feature I'm most excited for 🔫

[pearl harbor]

Also excited about future USB lightgun support. I need to shoot some perps as a virtua cop!

[soft goblet]

Same.. got two openfire guns ready to go. Already work great in the PSX core for Time Crisis

[clear condor]

The GC2 in particular may be a little bit dodgy with Saturn in the same way it is with PSX

[kindred sundial]

I’m expecting that. Wish there was a USB lightgun that worked flawlessly across all cores. Funny enough PSX lightgun games are the only ones that give me trouble and even then it seems random. Some titles just flat out have issues though for me with my 14AF44. I have thought about going the snac route for all cores and lightguns but that’s gonna be rather costly

[tribal burrow]

I only tried my GunCon2 once or twice on mister and it seemed pretty janky, PS1 was basically unplayable in my experience :/

Not sure if that was a “me” problem

[serene thunder]

I feel like I am missing something with GunCon3
Never been able to get it calibrated to the point where I can look down the actual sights

It's always offset

Not sure if it's the resolutions, border settings in the cores, or what

[upper dust]

Possible regression. I'm unable to get Tunnel B1 to load on the latest unstable core. Tried a few different dumps, chds and a bin cue.
Gets to the first logo or two, but then a black screen.
Works on the June core.

[pearl harbor]

I've had great success with my GunCon3s on MiSTer.

[serene thunder]

Yeah, I don't get it

Will revisit, but I had no luck getting it properly calibrated with SMS core

And IIRC also Genesis

I gotta try PSX and see if GC3 is snappy enough for Point Blank

[tribal burrow]

I tried to use GC2 on my CRT and couldn’t get the calibration right

[green jacinth]

Save some Mike and Ikes for the rest of us tho

[gloomy hedge]

It's funky

I can probably help you if you need

You're using F10 on keyboard right

Just go to the edge but not until the numbers go to 0 or stop moving

Go until the numbers are still moving but are basically the highest they can go closest to the edge

[pearl harbor]

Okay Saturn peeps. Who else here is excited for a new Virtua Fighter!?

[bleak escarp]

Me Im waiting for the direct RN

[celest lake]

I could definitely get real deep into a new vf

[bleak escarp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVRktI34LfU

[mortal mist]

Works fine

[mortal mist]

Ok works with dualsdram but not with single

Try with option fast timing for single core, it will work

[muted cradle]

Oh, a new game that need the fast timing option. I thought, that was VF2 engines related

[mortal mist]

a few more things need to be checked

[ripe valley]

Notes added on the compatibility list, thanks.

[hearty marten]

Haven’t watched the VF vid. Is Yu Suzuki back?

[hearty marten]

Ah, nice to see him make an appearance at the end of the stream. Wish they’d got him more involved though

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/no-nick-cage-nicolas-cage-the-unbearable-weight-of-massive-talent-nope-gif-25135473

[livid arch]

hello all! is the analog controller supported on snac yet?

[burnt matrix]

Yup!

Hello and welcome!

[livid arch]

and hello and thank you 😄

ok great! which core, the single/standard unstable?

[burnt matrix]

Both of them I’m pretty sure 🍻

[livid arch]

i actually have one loaded and with my SNAC adaptor no luck but there's a chance it's me i suppose

[burnt matrix]

Hmmm ok, let’s figure it out amigo

Dumb question but did you set player 1 controls to SNAC?

[livid arch]

i've not set a thing, just plugged in 🙂
first snac adaptor, no idea what i am doing

there are no dumb questions 😄

[burnt matrix]

Haha cheers!

[livid arch]

where do i do this?

[burnt matrix]

In the core menu, bring it up and it should be down the list some

It should say “digital” or something along those lines

You want to press the selection button on that menu option to have it cycle through the options

[livid arch]

FFS in "inputs" !!

[burnt matrix]

ok awesome yeah

Oh I forgot, you don’t swap, you just turn on SNAC

Sorry going off bad memory

[livid arch]

ok so leave it as digital and just turn it on?

[burnt matrix]

I believe so, yes

You have an IO board right?

[livid arch]

no dice so far

yes i have a usb hub and vga IO board

[burnt matrix]

Ok great, another dumb question but you’re plugging it into the IO board right? The USB at the top.

Where it says User I/O

[livid arch]

😄

[burnt matrix]

Also nice case!

[livid arch]

you did it

[burnt matrix]

It’s working for you?

[livid arch]

this is INSANE

[burnt matrix]

Awesome!! 🥳

[livid arch]

thank you so much Robby

that could have taken me quite a few hours

[burnt matrix]

Dude, it’s my pleasure!

[livid arch]

thanks! I designed the top to match my arcade stick

[twin canyon]

i see we've got some proper aesthetics going on here

[livid arch]

I am trying not to speak in hyperbole here, but i was close to a tear after just completing a lap in SEGA Rally using this pad, which I've not done since around 1999. What a memory. What a time to be alive.

[livid arch]

thanks! now I have it working I can migrate it to the CRT and do this properly.

[celest lake]

What is the bios everyone is using?

I am wondering if some of the saturn trouble I see with SAM is that the bios won't load an other region game (and I'm not sure where I got this bios in the first place)

[mortal mist]

I use a separate bios for each region

[celest lake]

oh can you auto load those based on the game (like megacd) or are you manually loading?

[hearty marten]

For those of us who are dumb - is this exactly the same setup as with the Sega CD?

(i.e. cd_bios.rom in the respective folders)

[celest lake]

yeah, I'd love for that to work

[mortal mist]

I have the games divided into regions in separate folders. Each bios is named cd_bios.rom

[twin canyon]

crt????

https://tenor.com/view/nope-gif-23756243

[livid arch]

you are not a fan of CRTs?

[hearty marten]

Legend. Thanks

[twin canyon]

crt.. tube... belsebub.. i've heard it being refered to by many names

[hearty marten]

Personally I wish it was done the same way for the Sega CD and Saturn cores as with the PSX, because I prefer to flatten my game collection - but this isn’t terrible

[celest lake]

I have the games divided into folders too. Do the bioses go in those folders too then? or do i need a top level directory for the bioses?

this my current folder structure

[hearty marten]

Dir1(e.g. Europe)
|-> cd_bios.rom
|->Game1 Folder
|->Game2 Folder

Dir2 (e.g. USA)
|-> cd_bios.rom
|->Game3 Folder
|->Game4 Folder

Is my understanding

[livid arch]

i have 2 misters, enjoy mostly playing them on CRT... i have one vertical and one just normal

[mortal mist]

please check this core

[ripe valley]

I'm in a rush right now, will reply back within 1-2H.

Thanks.

[mortal mist]

no prob , thanks

[celest lake]

So if I just consolodate my japan folders, into one Japan (and then the letter folders below that) and have the bios in that folder, it should work? Or do I need to have all the japanese game folders under one root?

[hearty marten]

I dunno how far up the tree it goes tbh

[celest lake]

pretend I'm real dumb here

[hearty marten]

Give it a try 🙂

[hearty marten]

Yeah, he wants A-F, etc as another level

[mortal mist]

• auto region set in osd

[celest lake]

Bless you Kuba

Are there preferred bios flavors for each region? or does it not matter

[hearty marten]

Presumably latest revision is “best”?

But in Japan you have the Hi-Saturn and all the other variants. Just go with the startup screen you like the most 😄

[mortal mist]

yes I use the latest revisions

i like classics

[hearty marten]

I’ve just been using Hi-Saturn one. At first it felt really weird, but now I’m used to it. I worry that going back is gonna feel weird 😄

[celest lake]

I will have to consult the scrolls to see which boot animation I like the most

I mean, it's going to be the "all the pieces come together and form the logo screen" one, but I should look just in case

[hearty marten]

There’s def a vid on YouTube if you want to compare without individually searching or testing yourself 🙂

[celest lake]

yep

thanks, friends

[hearty marten]

https://youtu.be/Iv5uBN76zls

[celest lake]

obviously, what I need is a version of SAM that shuffles the bioses too

[hearty marten]

I can write a script if you want 😆

[burnt matrix]

I am the resident Sega Rally expert! I taught @gloomy hedge everything he knows. 😙

[celest lake]

i do like the idea that I can have region accurate boot animations now

[livid arch]

i need to put this list onto mySD card

[gloomy hedge]

https://youtu.be/D9-voINFkCg?si=i6Wr1cs2TgxFKgX1

Robby Samir

[burnt matrix]

💯

[gloomy hedge]

Legendary driver from the streets

[mortal mist]

I am only concerned with these lines, I hope , I am heading in the right direction 😄

[celest lake]

Do these look like the latest versions of each?

[gloomy hedge]

@livid arch time to get the double 1st place! Unlock the beast

[burnt matrix]

Holy shit I lost it like three times in that video. 🤣

[minor cipher]

https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?t=7261
this page has dates for all the BIOSes

[gloomy hedge]

It's so fucking funny you haven't seen this?

[burnt matrix]

No!

[gloomy hedge]

Instant happy

[burnt matrix]

It’s incredible

[gloomy hedge]

It's so good

Glad to have blessed you

[burnt matrix]

Hey sorry, gotta put my mod hat on. Please don’t share copyrighted material. People can extract the bios from that image.

[ripe valley]

I will check Sol Divide in first after my day work.

[burnt matrix]

Photos of people take their soul and photos of computers take their data.

[gloomy hedge]

https://youtube.com/shorts/rbl6sljgnqU?si=lF1aR8V9k3PztELe @burnt matrix sorry for spamming but extending this joke once. Now we just need a Sega rally take.

[mortal mist]

thanks, working on it further , maybe I will send something else later

[celest lake]

I haven't had my coffee yet, Robby. Please take it easy on me

I would prefer to discuss the economic responsibility that terasic has to people wanting a de10nano

[hearty marten]

Almost spat my own coffee out there. Thanks! 😂