Sega Saturn

[errant crown]

I would like it more if it had better controls

[burnt matrix]

Missing one! Scud: The Disposable Assassin

US exclusive baybeeeeee

[hearty carbon]

couldn't you play that akimbo style with two lightguns?

[dusk orchid]

Any particular video settings/filters to use for saturn? I'm using an older 720p lcd hdtv, so its looking pretty ruff

[upper dust]

@dusk orchid In the .ini, use the scaler and output at 720p. In the core use the original aspect ratio so it's not stretched and use a video filter preset to even out the pixels. Interpolation Only is the cleanest, and there are several CRT presets if you like that look

Low resolution textures on polygons tend to benefit from CRT style pixels

[dusk orchid]

Yeah, playing policenauts and it looks kinda blurry/splotchy. Will check the .ini, a lot of the CRT presets look really dark and like you just stamped a pattern on the screen.

[dusk orchid]

Need to get that 4k oled i've been dreaming of first!!

[small gust]

Played this game recently and tested both the saturn an the psx version. The psx version definitely has an edge over saturn in terms of image quality, but the saturn version is not censored and has higher framerate in animated cutscenes than the psx.
So the Saturn version is till preferable if you ask me.

[small gust]

Damn, I so want one, but I don't need one. Over the years I rarely used my old Framemeister.
I do have a great 20" PVM, and a great Toshiba nanao ms9 in my egret 2, and two consumer crts.

So my options are great. But it would be so cool to see those color pop on my LG CX with a tink4k.

[dusk orchid]

Thanks! That makes me feel a little bit better. I played the PlayStation 1 last year and was waiting a little bit before replaying it so it felt more fresh. Excited to see what this version is all about 🙂

[errant crown]

I have a PVM, but I haven’t used it in a while because it takes like half an hour to “warm up” now. The 4K isn’t a full-blown replacement, and you do need to get a fancy OLED TV to take full advantage of it, but it really does scratch that itch. I honestly dunno what I’m gonna do with my PVM, since CRT repair is expensive and there probably aren’t many options in my area. Mailing it is out of the question, since that would add over $200 to the cost in shipping charges.

[small gust]

Yeah, the possibilities of repairing CRT'S is getting more scarse by the day.

As far as I know, there are a few arcade enthusiasts that repair arcades in my town and a adjacent village. Even though I don't know any of them irl, I have communicated with two of them online a few times. So if anything happens to my PVM or arcade monitor, I hope one of them still lives nearby and can possibly help me.

However, my did spend 3 years studying how to repair-electronics as my main subject in high school/prep school. So I did spend alot of time repairing old crts. But it's been 21 years since I graduated, and since I have not practiced any since then, I have more or less lost all my knowledge, except for some soldering here and there that I have done over the years. If any one asked me "read" a circuit diagram, I can't anymore.

But in case of me repairing it myself is the only option, then I guess I have to brush up my skills again.

[severe whale]

Version 0.7 of Princess Crown is out

[rich violet]

I might wait for version 1.0

Or maybe just until the holiday and play whatever version's out then

[errant crown]

Cool

I’ll wait for whatever version fixes crashing issues

[rich violet]

Apparently those are fixed in 0.6 by reverting to the Japanese text for those scenes, and the fix improved in 0.7 by using shorter English phrases

[severe whale]

I can understand the hassle to have to switch to Japanese version

Seems fair to wait for an update where you don’t have to

Read that you can finish the game atm with only having to switch one time

[thorn pagoda]

we've waited like 25 years or whatever whats a few more months

[green swift]

What's the cliff notes on the Princess Crown translation? Is the one being released now by the original team or the forked team or a different team?

[ancient surge]

There are technically three separate translations in the works.

The original that has been stuck in development hell for years that is being made from the ground up.

A forked translation from an older build using machine translation as a base.

And another one currently in development that is uncensored.

[green swift]

ooooo I dislike censorship. How far along is the uncensored one? Is that the one on 0.7 referenced above?

[wise brook]

the original translation is going ahead smoothly, and will be well worth the wait.

personally, i’d be utterly disgusted if someone managed to shoehorn an old, faulty copy of my 1st draft of a translation into the game without contacting me.

but that’s exactly what happened

and every normie in the vintage gaming scene, has seen, articles claiming the game is translated

the patch is buggy, error riddled and crashes

[dusty shale]

There's THREE now!?

[wise brook]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W1gxYjpc9Qc&t=108s&pp=ygUVcHJpbmNlc3MgY3Jvd24gc2F0dXJu

[wise brook]

let’s be honest, there’s 1 patch, it’s chinese knock off clone and the other uncensored one

the above video is the real deal from the actual hacker/translator duo

[rich violet]

I'd only heard of 2 of them; the original one that went quiet for ages, and the recent fork of that one

[wise brook]

i’d die of shame before doing what that fraud did

people like this really exist. disgusting

“if you don’t post updates at a pace i like someone should just take your work and get all the glory”

[dusty shale]

I'm keeping my head down and staying out of it until a finished translation materialises.

I will say one thing, though.

Much was made about the second translation's translator only having an N5 cert (the lowest level of the Japanese Language Profiency Test).

Do we know what the credentials the original translators have?

[wise brook]

yeah

native/fluent

n1

[dusty shale]

Nice.

I don't think I've seen any game develop a fan translation schism like this before.

[rich violet]

Well I hope the original developers manage to finish their version. It does seem a bit rude against them, the way it played out. But, by licensing it under the GPL they gave explicit permission to do exactly what someone went and did. So I can see the other side too

[thorn pagoda]

were they literally silent for 10 years?

[wise brook]

maybe it’s due to the complete lack of social skills of the average gamer, but all he had to do to not be seen as trash, was reach out and ask “hey is this cool”

but he couldn’t even do that

[thorn pagoda]

if you disappear from the internet for 10 years people are going to assume you died - if thats what actually happened

[wise brook]

i saw him (Samiam) about a year ago so no

[severe whale]

He’s not wrong though. They’ve been saying this for well over a decade. By the time (if!) they eventually release their translation Edmaster will have finished his, people will have played the game and moved on.

[severe whale]

It’s kind of ironic that the first life signs in 10 years that came from the project was instantly after Edmaster released his first version.

[dusty shale]

I admittedly did assume the project was abandoned before eadmaster appeared.

[lucid needle]

This is how the latest build looks on my PVM. Both "Bob" and "Weave" jump like crazy.

[severe whale]

A lot of people are not perfectionists when it comes to translated projects. They know it’s a fan effort. They don’t expect professional work. Heck people accept machine translated games as long as it’s playable and comprehensible

[ancient surge]

It's a know issue the interlacing is bugged at the moment. CRTs are most affected by the inaccuracies, but it's not noticeable on scaling devices like the Retrotink 4K or Morph 4K.

[burnt matrix]

Yeah no, the translation was abandoned and the new guy gave the original dude credit, front and center.

If it weren’t for him, no one would be enjoying Princess Crown right now.

Not only that but the original translation was GPL 2.0, so new guy had every right to save an abandoned translation.

Also it’s a translation, that takes effort and care, but it’s not their game and it’s not their script. Dude be real here, they don’t own that shit.

So seeing the original guy go into a pissing match over something that he abandoned over a decade ago and seeing your posts admonish someone who’s delivering for the fans is extremely disappointing.

[severe whale]

it's fascinating seeing the mentality of some in the fan translation scene 😄

[burnt matrix]

Again I reiterate, new guy did everything right, gave credit front and center to the original translator, and all thanks to him that people are enjoying a Princess Crown translation. Also unlike original translator he’s continually releasing updates and delivering.

Quit white knighting some random nobody that abandoned his own work.

[drowsy hull]

Start white knighting some random nobody that gives stuff!

[burnt matrix]

lol true

Fine I’ll stop, you win!

[dusty shale]

Has any other game had multiple ongoing fan translation projects at the same time?

[burnt matrix]

I’m ignorant here but I’ve only seen one released.

[dusty shale]

I've seen various games have successive fan translations over the years, but none where multiple people are translating the same game concurrently.

[severe whale]

There aren’t that many cases like princess crown

A game that’s been in the top spot for most desired for many years.

[errant crown]

Yeah, I agree. People were kept in the dark for so long, so it’s a, “What did you expect to happen” situation. I mean, people thought the translation was dead until Eadmaster came out with his version.

[burnt matrix]

lol goddamnit, bullshitting here made me late so I had to run my kids to the bus stop 🤣

[lucid needle]

I see. I thought interlacing was supposed to be fixed, since something was mentioned about the Bob setting in the log for the latest version. Thanks for the info! (I have an older version where interlacing works fine.)

[rich violet]

The Bob/Weave setting is only for HDMI

[lucid needle]

OK, thanks for clarifying. I'm ignorant when it come to these things 😅

[wise brook]

was. asking. first. so. hard.

it’s such a small decent thing to do

and he didn’t do it

[dusty shale]

It would have been a polite courtesy, yes, but do the terms of the GPL necessitate it? Asking sincerely.

[rich violet]

No, licenses like GPL state what you're allowed to do, so you don't need to ask.

[wise brook]

people really bringing up what revision of the gpl something was made under when the have a hard drive of stolen rom

[burnt matrix]

He didn’t have to it’s GPL

[wise brook]

i don’t need to be polite, the law said so

insane behavior

[burnt matrix]

lol I laughed, I enjoy efforts like this even if I’m at the butt of the joke

[burnt matrix]

He abandoned it for 10 years, my dude

It’s not like he dropped it last week

why are you defending this dude who doesn’t even know you either? Isn’t that insane?

I get you disagree with me and that’s fine. But all I ask is to not shit on someone who’s delivering for the fans and doing it for free and out of his own passion.

sorry that the original translator got his feelings hurt that someone picked up his ball and took it over the finish line. But it doesn’t involve you and it doesn’t involve me.

[subtle tusk]

Is this argument really about how it wasn't polite? That's it?

[burnt matrix]

lol he blocked me

Well that’s his prerogative, if it makes him happier then more power to him.

[wise brook]

yes, and the unbelievable amount of entitled smugness underneath it all

for me at least

That’s my hangup

[frail token]

Who's Robby I have a lot of people blocked

[subtle tusk]

Yeah, clearly. I think you're projecting pretty hard in this situation.

[wise brook]

onto whom?

[burnt matrix]

He can’t see my posts but the new translator had zero smugness. Just commented once on the situation and was very respectful about it.

[proper prism]

https://tenor.com/view/read-comments-michael-jackson-dont-mind-me-gif-10966818

[burnt matrix]

Literally first thing on the GitHub is crediting the original translation:

My attempt to continue on the CyberWarriorX translation project.

P.N.: reportedly CyberWarriorX and SamIAm are still working privately on this project, and since this was forked many years ago it does not reflect the current status of their project. Btw since this was originally released with a GPL-2.0 license, i'd like to exercise my right to keep working on this and make improvements as long as a better translation patch is released.

https://github.com/eadmaster/pcrown

[rich violet]

Anyway, @lucid needle Analogue interlaced output has known problems at the moment. srg320 has said he doesn't know much about video signals and has asked for help on that from more experienced people: https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/288

[burnt matrix]

Just making it clear to everyone, @wise brook is being unreasonable about this.

[subtle tusk]

Don't blame the new translator for random people talking shit about the original translator. The only motivation I've seen is someone trying to pick up the work of someone else who hasn't made progress in ten years.

[frail token]

I can't see this cause he's blocked but the empty space just reeks of smugness

[burnt matrix]

lol

I don’t block ANYONE

[acoustic sable]

Can't really, as a mod.

Which does get annoying

[subtle tusk]

If this was an active patreon-supported project and somebody else came in and undercut that, you'd have a point. It's the exact opposite of that.

[burnt matrix]

What seriously I can’t block?

[celest lake]

You must suffer my abuse

(really it’s the other way around)

[burnt matrix]

OMG I can’t LOL

lmao shit

[subtle tusk]

Did anyone accuse Azum of smugness when he started a PS1 core after somebody else had been spinning their wheels for over a year?

[burnt matrix]

I love blocking personally. I think it’s healthy. If someone is bugging you or you don’t like them, block ‘em. You don’t get mad and you don’t engage. I think that’s good.

[acoustic sable]

I was initially in the 'dang that's cold' position against the new translator when it first came up, but then very rapidly "it's been nine years? For a GPL project? Geez, well done dude, you go for it"

[burnt matrix]

me too honestly lol, that’s my secret

[acoustic sable]

The original guys get very snippy as soon as the tide turned

[burnt matrix]

he’s wearing gloves too holy shit 🤣

[wise brook]

did he take someone else’s work without asking 1st.

that’s literally the only principle i have a hill to die on with this issue

[frail token]

I only block people who can't have reasonable discussions and instead are full of hate and attack

[wise brook]

it’s so odd that no one else sees it that way

[acoustic sable]

The work was explicitly available for anyone to use

[frail token]

They will suck your life away

[frail token]

And he still got blocked!

[acoustic sable]

(within the GPL2 limits, of course)

[dusty shale]

On Discord, I only block people who spam with irrelevant content, or who have visibly been hacked.

On social media, I'm far more trigger-happy. Even if someone's saying something I agree with at a fundamental level, if they're annoying about it, they get blocked. I've been on the internet too long to put up with such things.

[burnt matrix]

Yeah I’m still learning that : (

[subtle tusk]

If he had taken their latest work and announced he was building off it, you'd have a point. But he took an old copy, the last freely shared update, and started from there.

[acoustic sable]

I do that in places I don't mod 🙂

Unfortunately places I like and hang out in keep asking me to mod...

[burnt matrix]

and sometimes you have to mod the mods, like me 🤣

[frail token]

So many times now I go to argue on the internet but then I realize the person I'm arguing with isn't there to have a discussion and I'd waste my time so I just delete the comment I was gonna send lol

[dusty shale]

You've got Discord-mod-itis. I'm sorry.

[acoustic sable]

It happens

[drowsy hull]

Is that so.. 🤔

[burnt matrix]

Sorry 🙏🥺

[burnt matrix]

I’m not a fan of you having this power over me lol

[visual grove]

Damn Robby took off his custom made erotic hentai kid gloves and went to town

[burnt matrix]

im sorry!

[frail token]

Is that what was in the picture

[acoustic sable]

Put those tentacle gloves back on right now

[subtle tusk]

They were asking people for help when they shared that build publicly a decade ago. Now finally someone is helping.

[acoustic sable]

I think my S key is a bit busted

Keep missing it

[burnt matrix]

🥺🧤🦑

[drowsy hull]

Me neither, I am not good with power

[acoustic sable]

https://tenor.com/view/started-blasting-gun-eyeglasses-so-anyway-i-started-blasting-gif-16955226

[burnt matrix]

OH GOD

[acoustic sable]

How do you put the second one on Robby?

HOW?

[burnt matrix]

it feels weird

[frail token]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-steve-carell-michael-scott-thats-what-she-said-gif-20446601

[quick sorrel]

つまりに何言いたいなの？

😛

[wise brook]

i hadn’t seen that.

that would change my opinion on the whole thing.

thinking he had their tacit blessing to do it is quite different from not caring to seek it out at all

[quick sorrel]

Fan translations have always been a fun rodeo no matter who is involved. Been there, done that.

[pastel basalt]

I love people referring to the new patch as “uncensored”

Lmao

Like the original project was going to be heavily censored or something

[dusty shale]

That's another weird thing. Uncensored in what way?

Were one or more translators LARPing as professional localisation writers, were they making abstract changes to the source material, what happened there?

[visual grove]

We should do hilariously bad dubs / subs like in anime and totally change the meaning of different scenes

[pastel basalt]

No lol I think the new translator is getting assistance from someone whose Twitter profile says they “specialize in uncensored translations”

[burnt matrix]

lmao larping

[dusty shale]

'Heartthrob Memorial' comes to mind.

[burnt matrix]

Is that one bad?

[dusty shale]

No, it's just the name feels like an overcorrection. The game's original title is Tokimeki Memorial.

[pastel basalt]

That’s the tricky part with translation is how much do you localize

[dusty shale]

Very odd turn of phrase. Doesn't inspire confidence.

[pastel basalt]

Heartthrob Memorial sounds terrible in English obviously haha

[dusty shale]

I'd have left the title unaltered, personally. No need to play pretend with a game that Konami, to this day, has zero desire to release globally.

[burnt matrix]

The only thing I know about those games is that my friend had one for PlayStation and you could input your name and the ladies would pronounce it in-game. So I made it say “cok” when my friend wasn’t looking and laughed and laughed when he tried to play it,

[frail token]

So Bad Lip Reading for video games?

This is a great idea

[burnt matrix]

Not that I know anything about Konami or translations but I have a feeling if it were ever released they would 100% leave the title untranslated since it’s so well known at this point.

[visual grove]

Exactly. Would be a lot of work though ha

[dusty shale]

I imagine the title would be left as is, or completely replaced, rather than awkwardly trying to meet it halfway.

[pastel basalt]

They are doing a re-release for Switch in 2025, so maybe they’re considering it

Maaaaaybe

I know we would all rather play on Saturn of course

[dusty shale]

I doubt it, personally. It wasn't too long ago that Tokimeki Memorial was the only game removed from the overseas version of the PC Engine Mini.

[burnt matrix]

Oh shit I think my friend’s copy was the Saturn one

[dusty shale]

(Salamander was added in its place)

[pastel basalt]

Damn did your friend import a bunch of stuff?

Salamander rules at least I guess lol

[burnt matrix]

Oh didn’t give context. No he’s Japanese and his dad’s job had him move to my town.

It was funny because he was so surprised that no one had a Saturn here and people liked the N64 lol

[pastel basalt]

What other stuff did y’all play together? And yeah I never even saw a Saturn in person until I bought one from Japanese eBay lol

[pastel basalt]

What about “Thump-thump-thump Public High School?”

[dusty shale]

If you intend to release your translation in 1998, sure.

[pastel basalt]

I think it would be a funny t-shirt with that title and shiori lol

They’d sell so quick

[burnt matrix]

We played Virtua On, took turns on the twin sticks.

[hearty marten]

Have you actually read the license in the first place? Rather than considering it as a random legal file in a directory, written by somebody else - instead take it for what it is: a set of instructions (written by experts who can write it in a way that protects you/others legally) that tell people what they’re able to do with the software. As an author, by including it in your repo, you’re essentially endorsing its contents.

If someone writes a file that says “you can do X with this” would you feel the need to email them to ask “hey, can I do X with your software?”. No, you wouldn’t, because that’s dumb and a waste of your time and theirs. If the author didn’t want people to exercise their rights under a particular license, then they shouldn’t have included that license in the first place.

This isn’t a legal vs moral issue - the license says exactly what you can do on both grounds.

[visual grove]

You’re just a jerk, I always email Bill Gates before I install Word in case he changes his mind about my license

[hearty marten]

Not gonna argue with your first point. I am a jerk 🙂

[visual grove]

Yeah this horse is definitely well beaten though. Yes a message might have been nice. No they weren’t under even the slightest obligation to do so nor to obey any response that wasn’t “go for it”. If the author(s) want a different reality they should build a Time Machine and tell their past selves

[celest lake]

Video Games.

[hearty marten]

Asking for a friend: how do you block Robby on discord?

[visual grove]

I played video games. It was all right

I tried every shmup on the link I posted to see which ones let you save the TATE state for those that have them

It was only two 😦

Many have a pretty fast option to get back into TATE mode with a few button presses but it’s still annoying

[hearty marten]

I played Radiant Silvergun for the first time the other day. Fun game!

[rich violet]

I love the look of Radiant Silvergun, but don't really like playing it because I'm rubbish at it.

[celest lake]

I can't believe Robby got blocked for his translation patch take. It's an indictment of everyone that he wasn't already blocked for his US Saturn library take

[celest lake]

I feel this very deeply

[hearty marten]

I suck at shmups. I want to love them but I’m just so terrible

[pastel basalt]

It’s definitely a headspace shift

Very different from normal stgs with how many weapons you can use, the experience points, the chaining

[hearty marten]

I started with Star Parodier on the PCE to get started. That one is fun, although I still haven’t beat it

[pastel basalt]

You should give the Batsugun port on Saturn a try!

[dusk orchid]

Played around with interpolation only and a few different masks and got it looking a little better. Thanks for the words of encouragement! Need to upgrade my TV so I can have more scaling options, but I can work with this.

[wise brook]

spotted a small potential regression in Panzer Dragoon.

character sprite flicker when the boss appears at the end of stage 2

currently comparing against some original hardware, and to see if it happens again

[pearl harbor]

Robby dropping the truth bombs on Princess Crown fan translation.

[wise brook]

happened again in stage 3, everything not background flickered as the boss section loaded

[mortal mist]

Definitely worth reporting

[wise brook]

i’d try to record footage but github has a microscopic file size limit

[ripe valley]

Send it to Streamable.

I have the same problem.

[visual grove]

Is Dark Robby gone now? Is it a safe space again?

I want to say Powerslave is much better than DOOM on Saturn but I’m scared

[rich violet]

Unreal is very good on Saturn

[celest lake]

Unreal is very good

[dusty shale]

PowerSlave is the Saturn's best FPS.

[frail token]

I want an Unreal Tournament 99 remaster so bad

So I can feel powerful killing bots again

[rich violet]

Have you tried Hellslave?

Up to 8 players with bots or 4 human players

[visual grove]

Is that like a hack or something?

[rich violet]

Original homebrew: https://segaxtreme.net/resources/hellslave.58/

By the guy who ported Unreal

[unkempt oar]

Agreed. No one is entitled to have access to you. This social media age has people thinking they should be allowed to shove themselves into your life.

[warped saddle]

blocking on discord is useless though

you still get that stupid <block message> thing and you get to see half a conversation

[gloomy hedge]

Better just to pay the mods the customary $1000 USD to issue a ban

[celest lake]

hey, who gave you a discount that's not fair to the rest of us

[gloomy hedge]

I for one blame @burnt matrix

[hearty carbon]

If Discord fixed blocking I'd be so happy

I probably would block less people because it would be more definitive but I'd be happier when I did.

As it stands, I sometimes just use it to hide people who are particularly verbose so I can keep the chat from looking like a wall of text. 😄

[warped saddle]

there's no way to really fix it though. short of some disgusting 'AI' that tries to determine when people are responding to a blocked person and also hide it

[celest lake]

I'll admit here, in this safe space, that I initially blocked folks who were posting monkey gifs because it was everywhere. I have seen the error of my ways though

[hearty carbon]

Twitch just scrubs them from existence.

[warped saddle]

yeah, but you get the half-conversation problem still

[hearty carbon]

If I've gone that far on Twitch they're someone who has absolutely nothing I want to hear or I think they're not to be trusted.

[visual grove]

You’re home now, son

[celest lake]

https://tenor.com/h0Rm0eghJJ3.gif

[visual grove]

manly flannel embrace, smells of motor oil

[drowsy hull]

luckily monkey gifs have been (mostly ) contained to the basketsnake fun zone channel (the one where robby learns about rimming).

[celest lake]

poor robby

[gloomy hedge]

[quick sorrel]

Play the Saturn mode where you build up your weapon power. By the time you’ve gotten your weapons more powered up, you’ll be better at the game.

[mortal mist]

I checked and have the same result , flickering

[wise brook]

https://tenor.com/view/segata-sanshiro-nod-yes-gif-5612081

good man

[celest lake]

oh how is that mode different? does it save powerups through playthroughs or something?

[quick sorrel]

Exactly. When you lose all your guys it’ll give you a save dialog with 3 different save files. Save it (and in the MiSTer save) and the next time you play, press down when it says game start, choose your game save.
Eventually your weapons will be more powered up depending on your choice of weapons that you use most often, which should be all of them of course 😉

[celest lake]

Well shit, ok. Thanks for the tip 🙂

[green jacinth]

just wanted to record a brief example of my dual ram setup and grandia on latest dual core

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jx82XGioKg

i feel like i might be seeing some weirdness in the graphics but i cant really tell

[gloomy hedge]

It's also about 3x longer tho

https://youtu.be/5SC0eAWxXRA?si=rwRNf8SwQdcyo2-_

Saturn mode clear

https://youtu.be/HtVKrFolcVE?si=UNvAqFGAQSTNv4Jd arcade clear

So I mean like choose your pois

Saturn mode will fall faster cuz of the perma upgrades but each run will take an entire session 😅

[celest lake]

I'm just trying to git gud

[dreamy ravine]

They also removed Tengai Makyou 2 I think.

[dusty shale]

Oh, they did.

[gloomy hedge]

its a tough game, I went down the journey and I just kind of stopped because I didnt want to do the same route again and again

its learnable though, its harder at the beginning, you have to learn each section piece by piece, I just get bored executing the same strat over and over again so that doesnt work for me

thats how every treasure shmup works really

[ripe jetty]

• Saturn mode is an XP grind and also crazy long but is good for just getting a feel for the game.

• As for Arcade Mode. Choose stage 2 instead of 4 at the split.

• Chain red when in doubt.

• Watch replay videos to learn the basic chains. Don’t worry about the harder ones.

• Homing lock on uncovers big point bonuses.

• The tracking laser is good for milking XP.

• You don’t need to play obsessively for score to have enough firepower to finish the game.

• Look up Electric Underground he has a good commented playthrough

I cleared the game last year on Arcade Stage 2 route. It was a fun time!

[ripe jetty]

I think Radiant Silvergun gives you a little more freedom in execution than Ikaruga. There is only one part in stage 3 you have to execute perfectly for score (getting chased by the ship) because the chain combo bonus is huge and makes up like 30-40% of your total score/ XP

Oh and you don’t have to max out all (or any) of the weapons, really. But make sure to focus on the basic shot.

The others you can clear the game with at like lvl 11 or 12

[gloomy hedge]

It is a lot of little bits of freedom that are like things I wish you could play with but you are restricted by the chaining in most areas imo. Especially in the first few stages and even some of the bosses. At least in my experience.

Like I want to like it more than ikaruga. It plays way better. But they put all these restrictions on the way the game is played so you can't enjoy blowing stuff up with your weapon of choice

I do ultimately enjoy it more than ikaruga

But it's so restrictive and that is super frustrating

[ripe jetty]

I looked up clear vids last year while learning the game myself and saw enough variation in playstyles to be like, “okay this is better than ikaruga because the entire stage isn’t a single chain, so I can skip the bits I call bullshit on”

I get not liking it though

[gloomy hedge]

Oh yeah that is true but there's some non negotiables

So for example the first couple stages if you don't chain, you are low on power to even be able to enjoy the game

If you dont have the right power for the chase boss it's literally it will go on for years

Decades.

So you can't skip the scoring, you must chain. Ikaruga you can completely skip the scoring except w couple small areas. and you only lose one extend.

[ripe jetty]

XP wise you’ll be okay if you focus on chaining red and don’t over level the B or C weapons.

[gloomy hedge]

Yaya but just chaining red is still a chore

You don't have to do that in ikaruga unless you want extends

You can just skip it all together, or only learn the ones you want

[ripe jetty]

That’s true

[gloomy hedge]

Since your power is not tied to the chain.

So it's more "free form" in that way

It's odd

[ripe jetty]

So the other thing is, the sword

[gloomy hedge]

Sword routing extremely key for certain bosses imo

[ripe jetty]

can decimate bosses but also kind of sucks for XP farming

[gloomy hedge]

Yeah

XP honestly ruins the game for me

It takes something elegant and adds nuance in a way that is only good for certain gamers

I understand why it's there. But I'm not that gamer there gonna do the same route over and over again.

[ripe jetty]

Ah fair.

[gloomy hedge]

Hell even training mode sucked for me

I had to ask someone

Ok what power do you generally have at this section

I can't even train because how am I supposed to predict?

[ripe jetty]

I mean that’s kind of what 1CCing shmups are, it’s taking apart the puzzle and nailing the execution under pressure that gets me excited

[gloomy hedge]

Not me,

I like thinking on my feet

I can't do memo games

[ripe jetty]

Switch version has a good training mode. You can set your specific weapon level and practice each section

[gloomy hedge]

I can't fault RSG for others but I wish there was a mode with no XP so I could enjoy it too lest a boss chase turns into a endless nightmare

[gloomy hedge]

Again how am I supposed to know what to set it to

I have the switch version

I can't know until I play a run and then write it down

And then assume I did a similar chain

Like was it 6/7/7 was it 12/5/5

That shit makes a big difference

It's just a lot of problem solving , just let me dodge bullets and blow shit up 🤣

[ripe jetty]

You watch runs, or record your numbers like you said, or you just kind of adjust it to what feels right.

[gloomy hedge]

I have like a page of notebook notes for rsg and then I realized this was more like school homework and not gaming and gave it up.

I'm not a spreadsheet gemer

I just turn the game on and hit play.

I don't do training modes unless I absolutely am stuck on something hard core and even then I usually don't execute the same strategy. I just do whatever comes to mind.

I'm glad the game is there for those who want to engage with that whole web

[ripe jetty]

i abuse the shit out of training modes and stage select with shmups

Because doing stage 1 over and over is boring

[gloomy hedge]

I mean I literally cannot do stage 1 again

So I will never clear RSG

Because the solution is the same

There's nothing fun at all left

[ripe jetty]

you do you. If it’s not fun to you then it’s not fun

[gloomy hedge]

Yeah I can't do the games that need me to rehearse the same thing over and over again unless it's a rhythm game 😂

My brain rejects the incredible boredom of repeating a route with nothing to do

Also why I won't clear difficult shmups unless I can freestyle

The fun for me is just doing what seems fun and stylish in that moment

Even if that means I get less score or fail it's still more fun than boneless repetition

[serene thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/raygun-rachel-gunn-breakdance-breakdancing-raygun-breakdance-gif-7711660863489420728

kind of hypnotic

[quick sorrel]

I don’t think I’ve ever done training nor cared about chaining.
Should I? I may not have ever beaten the game 😅

[quick sorrel]

I’m not sure if I have but, I always looked at it like an endurance race to see how far I could get.

[ripe jetty]

Nah not unless you’re the type that wants to learn how to one credit a game. Otherwise just have fun play Saturn mode.

[quick sorrel]

Gotcha. I’m into shooters but the 1cc thing surprisingly never appealed to me for whatever reason

[ripe jetty]

it’s a lot like speed-running but less granular

[errant crown]

I’ve always preferred Radiant Silvergun over Ikaruga. I prefer the level design and weapons system.

[ripe jetty]

I adore Ikaruga’s aesthetic though

[gloomy hedge]

Fwiw I don't speedrun and I have 1CCd a lot of games

I think it's a bit of a misnomer there's a lot of shmups you can just clear by playing them a lot kind of like a rogue lite or something but with more consistency and just freestyle skill increase and awareness and generally play it like any other video game

Speedrunning really never appealed to me because I don't compete in video games, I'm no good at them really

The 1CC thing is a bug that I have been able to get people hooked on cuz it just feels really good to do and it feels like you completed the game. Otherwise shmup clears feel empty unless the game has some kind of credit limit or something like that.

I personally hate memorization and really don't route things unless it happens naturally and I don't use training modes or practice cuz that's homework and homework feels like work! Haha

But you can just use a nice on ramp and skill your way up there's just a bunch of games that you won't be able to clear without actually training and routing or it will just take forever. Or you'll need a LOT of raw skill lol

But there's also like hundreds that don't need that.

For anyone who DOES want to see what the hell I'm talking about - just reach out and I can share the beginner list and a couple other fun tools

[rich violet]

Do you play the Radiant Silvergun EXTRA romhack, or just the regular version?

I've not tried the romhack and I don't really know which mode I've been playing in

I just mash the start button until the game begins

[warped saddle]

if you get a bunch of anime you are playing saturn mode

[rich violet]

Oh, I think it's saturn mode then. But I never watch a cutscene I can skip

[severe whale]

what does the extra romhack add?

[rich violet]

This patch back-ports scoring modes and game systems from other versions of the game into the Saturn and ST-V versions of the game. Namely, this adds "Ikaruga Mode" from the Xbox 360 version, as well as the 2-button "overseas" mode exclusive to the ST-V version. In addition to these ported modes, there's a new Special scoring mode which combines the original scoring system and the Ikaruga scoring systems in a different manner.

[ancient surge]

Kind of wish it was possible for the SEGA Saturn core to also support the ST-V games too.

Hypothetically it should due to the identical architecture, but the FPGA is already tightly packed that I doubt it will happen.

[burnt matrix]

That explains the console as a whole

[ancient surge]

Actually you're playing PC-FX.

Literally, like 90% of the library is just looking at animated videos. They actually thought FMVs were the future.

[green swift]

Maybe a dedicated ST-V can be created by stripping out Saturn-only functions like the CD-ROM

Probably ideal anyway so that it can stick to the MRA structure.

[stiff patrol]

The core occupies almost all of the FPGA. If any extra HW is needed for ST-V then its doubtful if it would firteven stripping things out

[radiant karma]

Not a big loss. There is not much on the st-v library that isn't already on Saturn. Ports were basically arcade perfect.

[hearty marten]

PSX derived arcade boards would be a bigger win 🙂

[visual grove]

ST-V is just a Saturn with a cartridge slot. Is there any extra hardware? There’s something for the sound in that Batman game I guess. Really the only reason to have ST-V is for arcade cabinets so you can coin up and the games start without any extra cruft, in the right orientation, etc.

I was rolling through all the Saturn shmup ports to see which save orientation because I don’t want to take my STV out of its box when there’s already a mister in the cabs 😅

So yeah would love to see it supported but not sure how hard it would be since the audio hardware for background music might be the diff? (No cd audio obv) If that’s true and it needs some missing chip pretty much boned for mister

[hearty marten]

If the games are on cart, doesn’t that kind of imply faster access than CD? Couldn’t that potentially be an issue, depending on how timing sensitive games are?

[burnt matrix]

BUT THE SATURN ALREADY HAS A CARTRIDGE SLOT!!

[visual grove]

Yeah they’d probably need to be loaded into memory so yet another memory complication. The games are probably pretty small though once you cut away all the cd audio & videos

It’s why STV games sound worse than their Saturn versions ;). Virtua Fighter Kids is a good example where Saturn is quite a bit better. They did all right considering

But yeah probably a next mister thing

Seems like it wouldn’t be that bad with just a little more breathing room anyway since they didn’t change the specs

[rich violet]

I tried CubeCat and I prefer it to Bug

[burnt matrix]

CubeCat ain’t packing tho

[rich violet]

Cats won the internet tho

FACT: https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20150918-how-did-cats-win-the-internet

[burnt matrix]

you win this round!

[rich violet]

Oooh, X Men Arcade Saturn Homebrew updated to v0.4.0

Featuring:

• New playable character, Dazzler
• New stage, Island M Caves
• New enemy boss, Nimrod
• New enemy vehicles
• Fire-breathing lizardmen
• Boulder-throwing sentinels
• Unlockable remix based on Prophet Fukami Arrange Version

[gloomy hedge]

robby why are you looking at bug's ass

[burnt matrix]

I’m not, what do you mean?

[gloomy hedge]

Oh you know what I mean

You said what you said

You posted what you posted

What else could have Bug been packing

I didn't see no gun in the pic

[burnt matrix]

Huh? The game is packing great gameplay.

I’m so confused.

[gloomy hedge]

A thing people say all the time

Is that someone is PACKIN

And they aren't talking about no gameplay

Am I alone in this 🤣

[burnt matrix]

First I’ve heard of it

[gloomy hedge]

Yes but you live inside a saturn

They don't let you see the outside world

Only bugs ass

[burnt matrix]

We say it here all the time. Just the other day I said “yo, Sega Rally is PACKIN’ “

And then we had a riveting discussion about its great gameplay

yes quite

[ancient surge]

Ah yes, the protagonist of Bug!

[gloomy hedge]

Lmao

[burnt matrix]

@gloomy hedge I was joking, sorry about that lol

[warped saddle]

you don't get to decide that

[gloomy hedge]

its all water under the ass, as they say

[trim nimbus]

Don’t forget, Robby is from Texas, we don’t have bidets here, just left over rib bones from lasts nights bbq.

[gloomy hedge]

thats how you get a nice butthole callous right there, something that can withstand any form of punishment

maybe even radiant silvergun

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/howrude-fullhouse-gif-21855082

[gloomy hedge]

Sega Rally Rules

it has like fuckin

cars

and dirt

and a voice

https://youtu.be/IjIi8t9tjSg

[pearl harbor]

Maybe!

[gloomy hedge]

WHO TAUGHT YOU HOW TO DRIVE WHO TAUGHT YOU HOW TO DRIVE WHO

[quick sorrel]

Dat Celica ass is packin

[clear condor]

Taking yo' own sweet tiiiiiiiiiime

[drifting frigate]

In the latest core, Space Jam just plays all the announcer lines in a row during the first basketball section. You can hear frustration on certain lines when they play back to back. That's basically how recording goes. "OK, give us 3 on the next line....ok, two more like one. OK, two more like two, but as if you just got back from a run."

[warped saddle]

bin/cue or chd?

[drifting frigate]

chd

I thought it added TONS to the game, to be honest.

Far more interesting now.

[ancient surge]

Space Jam is one of the games that have CHD compatibility issues, so maybe try bin/que to see if that changes anything.

[pastel basalt]

Take this cue to throw your chd in the bin

[gloomy hedge]

dude that one is amazing, that happened in the really old core too and always cracked me up

it was literally every single SFX one by one

hahahaha

VO b-reel

[pastel basalt]

“Game over, yeah…”
“Game over, yeah?”
“Game over, yeah!”
“Game overrrrrr yeahhhhhhhhhhhh!”

Ok ten more

[drifting frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/yay-me-chris-captain-america-old-gif-14837399

[visual grove]

But it’s your chance to do your dance

[hearty carbon]

Always liked the Monstars theme best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4_3PVFSUxE

[drifting frigate]

THAT'S where all my Hennessey went.

[frail token]

no

[drifting frigate]

Well, I already told my sponsor I didn't drink it, so....

[gloomy hedge]

If this existed I would put it out into space as the golden record for the aliens

[tribal burrow]

With Radiant Silvergun does it actually explain chaining anywhere or do you just have to know? Was it in the instructions or something?

When I first tried playing the game I had no idea what to do

[ancient surge]

The chaining system is based on color. So for example if you shoot down red enemies, you must continue to shoot only the red enemies to continue the chain. If you shoot down a different colored enemy, the chain is dropped and you need to start from scratch again.

[warped saddle]

right, but they are asking if that was explained anywhere in tutorials/instruction manuals etc

[winter phoenix]

Hi hello! I am one of you now!

[gloomy hedge]

Well there's that tutorial at the beginning of the game that I always skip

As far as manuals. Knock yourself out 🥲

And now we go to my opinion

I think it was shit design not to put the current color and chain score on the screen of the UI

I also think the cycling of the powerup levels was kind of shit and confusing too. This is not good UI design to me.

Literally a square with a color of the current chain and an amount would have been plenty of chaining was gonna be that important.

The Chain Max display after a run or whenever should be a hint tho

[dusty shale]

Welcome!

[wise brook]

dual or single ram my dude?

[quick sorrel]

I believe I saw that was added to the Switch release (not sure tho)

[quick sorrel]

What game is this? A shooter?

[wise brook]

Bulk Slash

and things do indeed get shot

but calling it a shooter would give you a wrong impression of the gameplay

[quick sorrel]

Definitely not a shooter but I've played it a bit. The controls were something to get used to, and I plan to go back one day.

[green swift]

I always change the default controls. I use the ones where the shoulders are strafe. Feels much more intuitive.

[dusty shale]

Bulk Slash is a fantastic game.

I've beaten it once with every navigator.

[rich violet]

Same! I probably need to look up what all the controls actually are and just stick with it for a bit

[quick sorrel]

😅 shows how little I've played it. I just tried to get used to the default controls (and didn't even know there were options). Strafe would likely suit me better.

[thorn pagoda]

does bulk slash support that dual-stick controller saturn has?

[quick sorrel]

Oh wow, that's properly fun now with strafe on LnR 😄

[quick sorrel]

sure looked like it in the control options

[thorn pagoda]

does the core support it? that'd be sweet mapped to dual analog probably

[quick sorrel]

sorry dunno, not rocking snac yet and haven't tried with a dual analog trolla :/

[rich violet]

The translation supports it but the original game did not

[gloomy hedge]

The levels on the side in a 16:9 display were added back in the 360 release days, but the chain color i don't think 🤔 . I have the 360, Switch, and maybe even the PC version? Could certainly compare. I just think it was a silly decision to trade aesthetics for basic player information.

[gloomy hedge]

Yes the core supports it but I had a 360 HRAP Twin Stick via USB

https://youtu.be/n9A-pA2vTtk?si=ivAqUgiSqFw3W80F

This is not on mister cuz I had bought a Saturn and wanted to play with this controller

And don't have a snac

But I've done it with my 360 twin stick on a very old version of the core

The one thing is that the twin stick controls have one tiny beef which is so annoying. But you get used to it.

Basically they split two controls among the sticks that could and should have been one stick, so it feels really weird but it's still fun

(not sure on SNAC compatibility)

[visual grove]

Worth bothering with the sticks? (I have them I mean worth configuring it for them)

Looks like a fun game

I’d have to get that translation hack I probably only have the OG on my satiator which I’ve never played

[burnt matrix]

Yeah twin sticks works great with the core through SNAC

[gloomy hedge]

Yeah 100%

Translation hack is so good

[upper dust]

It goes further than a translation. They recorded a good and intentionally 90's English dub too

[gloomy hedge]

So funny

The southern voice actor makes me smile

It's easily the highest effort translation I've ever seen, there's companies that did translations that were sold that are trash compares to this.

[burnt matrix]

that’s because it reminds you of Texas and everyone knows Texas is awesome

[winter phoenix]

Thanks for the praise of the Bulk Slash patch, everyone. I’m glad it helps everyone enjoy the game more. I had to make it one of the first games I tried on my Mister Pi (the first was Daytona CE)

I also tried Bust-a-Move 3 and Christmas Nights (tis the season). Everything looked and sounded and ran great!

[winter phoenix]

I always switch to Type C controls. Go to the game’s options menu and then Key Config, then press right a couple times.

[winter phoenix]

I’m pretty sure it just came with single RAM. I’ll probably buy a second RAM at some point. Gotta get a Saturn SNAC, too.

[dusty shale]

You worked on it?

[wise brook]

and Stellar assault

[winter phoenix]

Yeah, I was one of the core team members. https://segaxtreme.net/resources/bulk-slash-english.105/

[dusty shale]

Amazing! Thank you so much!

[wise brook]

he is Segata’s strongest soldier

[winter phoenix]

Nah that’s Malenko. He’s prolific with the translation patches 😆

If you like nonograms (Picross puzzles) please check out his latest patch for Logic Puzzle Rainbow Town https://segaxtreme.net/resources/logic-puzzle-rainbow-town.362/

[burnt matrix]

is he a Juggalo

[rich violet]

Wow, well done, and thank you!

[gloomy hedge]

You can have this one you coal rollers

Bulk slash is very fun. There's a lot to do and it's one of a kind. Play bulk slash.

[dusty shale]

Play Bulk Slash!

[winter phoenix]

I don’t think so but that’s unconfirmed

[burnt matrix]

God it would be so great.

@winter phoenix Also I didn’t know you got a Mister Pi. Bro I am here to help out with anything you need!!

[ripe valley]

Glad to see you on board.
Enjoy!

[balmy crag]

Just got to add to the chorus of thanks. People are blown away by that project whenever I share it.

[thorn pagoda]

are there any other fan translations out there that actually did voice acting? that blew me away

[ripe valley]

Single RAM, as per default on Mister Pi.

Waiting for mine, and also a QMTech one.
So I could test better in the following weeks.

[winter phoenix]

Thanks! It just came in yesterday. My Windows 10 PC refused to see the SD card without formatting it — the card came preformatted with all the MiSTer stuff on it so I wanted to leave it alone — so I had to set up the Samba server to load games on there over the network -_-

I haven't written a story about the Saturn core in almost two months because I knew this Mister Pi was coming in and I wanted to use it for testing, but boy did it take a slow boat from China

[ripe valley]

We're chasing the (last ?) remaining bugs.

Some are obvious, others need very long investigations starting this week.

I will try to be more available for the project this weekend.

Rough time at work, end of the year crunch time.

[winter phoenix]

What bugs are left, off the top of your head?

[ripe valley]

A bug on Slam and Jam with one of the VDP, with inverted nets.
Some signals incorrectly catched on Dead or Alive.
A regression on Panzer Dragoon with a flicker when bosses are approaching.
A render bug on Princess Crown on the fairy glow.

And that quick flicker bug on Radiant Silvergun if we load multiple games before without rebooting totally the core.

The SCSP is virtually identical now on the core, thanks to the help of celeriyacon and srg320 heavy coding skills.

The other chips need some more investigations.

[rich violet]

There are issues with analogue interlaced video output

[ripe valley]

That too.

[rich violet]

And several unsupported peripherals like keyboard

[ripe valley]

And it will be interesting to have the Backup Card support too (for at least Tamagotchi).

The modem, I think it will not be feasible, but maybe the keyboard, just maybe.

The MPEG card, I don't know, srg320 could or not surprise us, but the FPGA is full.

[rich violet]

And the issue with Main not supporting analogue triggers

[winter phoenix]

Thanks for the rundown

[ripe valley]

But most of the system works correctly now on Single and Dual RAM.

I will try to update the compatibility lists within the next months, when possible.

Some games could already be classified as 'Perfect'.

Could be cleared, without issues or any nitpicks.

[rich violet]

Like Sega Rally

[burnt matrix]

I just want to say that I knew @winter phoenix before he became a big shot translator!

He is my Sega Sensei

[green swift]

Fun fact: I replaced my Phoebe with a Fenrir just for Bulk Slash English translation.

Can the phoebe play it? Absolutely! But I was so inconvenienced by the format process that phoebe requires that I bought a Fenrir just for the ease of drag n drop Bulk Slash. 🙂

(Thank goodness for MiSTer Saturn core lol)

[twin canyon]

you again! still with the shill!

https://tenor.com/view/nights-into-dreams-nights-reala-sega-saturn-simpsons-gif-7816992963267712354

[burnt matrix]

You should play Nights!

[twin canyon]

brooo

what do you have to say about the 60fps pc patch vs the 30fps saturn version

nights into HALF FRAMERATE

[trim nimbus]

If you like your games looking like a soap opera I guess that is fine- Saturn provides the true cinematic 24fps experience

[gloomy hedge]

Id say thats fuckin VIRTUA

[twin canyon]

two HOT takes in a row

[hardy lodge]

Some people enjoy saturn, some people enjoy uranus. Nothing wrong about either.

[celest lake]

No kinkshaming here

[tall radish]

Odd question, does the V-Saturn BIOS run EU games at 60hz, is that something I change in the MiSTer settings or should I use a different bios?
I have a few EU games in my collection that didn't get a US release and according to what I've found they should run fine when forced to 60hz.

[wise brook]

bios doesn’t set the hz

that was set by some physical jumpers (and a crystal oscillator) on the board

[winter phoenix]

I wrote up a story about Malenko and his Logic Puzzle translation patch, which he updated earlier this week:

https://www.segasaturnshiro.com/2024/12/06/logic-puzzle-rainbow-town-english-patch-updated/

[naive whale]

I almost did a vid on it but then I remembered puzzle games eat shit and die on my channel

[ancient surge]

It's a known fact gamers are scared of thinking.

[drifting crown]

A video on Tetris would slay though. Everyone loves Tetris.

[ancient surge]

SEGA Saturn actually has a good selection of puzzle games to choose from. The SEGA Retro wiki cites at least 60 puzzle games.

You can't go wrong with Puyo Puyo, Magical Drop, Puzzle Bobble, etc.

Just, uh... avoid Pappara Paoon. It's made by Ecole, the same company behind Death Crimson, so it's not surprisingly dog shit.

[gloomy hedge]

dude just put a boob up there and say " the puzzle game no one expected to land you in hentai jail "

or something

horny jail

and put the horny bonk dog

done

[naive whale]

Saucy thumbnails have increased my views a lot in the back half of this year

[gloomy hedge]

peoople are fucking idiots

if you want increased viewers, you have to cater to the simplest parts of the brain stem

the boob sensor

they dont caare about the game

point at one of hte characters and put "SHES FOURTEEN!?!?!?!"

and/or on (a different character OF AGE OBVIOUSLY OYU GUYS) censor something thats not even nudity

done, buncha horny simps click, ez money

[hardy lodge]

Excuse me, but I consider that part of my brain stem to be the most cultured one. Thank you very much.

[gloomy hedge]

You're welcome

[ancient surge]

SEGA Saturn already provides the sauce.

(There are several of these "sexy puzzle games" by the way)

[gloomy hedge]

well thats ez enough

views done

[ancient surge]

Graphic design is my passion.

[hardy lodge]

Are they as spicy as vivid dolls on n64?

[pearl harbor]

Oh yeah.

[hardy lodge]

What are the spiciest titles? So I can avoid them the most?

[ancient surge]

SEGA Retro has a list of "eroge" titles.

https://segaretro.org/Category:Eroge

[burnt matrix]

what’s rogue

rogue

Goddamnit

EROGUE

[ancient surge]

It's okay Robby take your time.

[hardy lodge]

It's rimjob related, don't traumatize yourself again

[burnt matrix]

I still don’t know what that is and I refuse to learn lol. It’s sexual in nature and that’s where I nope’d out

[ancient surge]

Eroge is basically a Japanese term that means "erotic game".

[burnt matrix]

oh lol, that was legal to sell in Japan?

that’s wild

[twin canyon]

a rimjob is what you did to doom eternal

[burnt matrix]

look, it sounds like it’s a tire rotation in my head, fixing tire rims etc

[twin canyon]

i could post gifs. so many gifs. yet i won't.

[winter phoenix]

Yeah, although in the fall of 1996, Sega of Japan announced it wouldn’t allow games with nudity on the Saturn anymore (the ones with red ratings icons). So all of the ones like that were released prior to then. After that, the worst they got were yellow ratings labels — no full nudity

[ancient surge]

Guessing they were getting too many complaints and decided to change the policies.

[winter phoenix]

Not sure. I think they were trying to appeal to a broader fan base, though. They didn’t want to be known as just the console for pervs (and hardcore gamers generally). Earlier that year, Sega put out the white model of Saturn at a new lower price to appeal to more casual customers.

[serene thunder]

I just got done speedrunning 177 for PC-88

[pearl harbor]

Time for Robby to dive into the wonderful world of Saturn adult content. For science!

[hardy lodge]

It's always funny to me whenever an American is so stuck up about sexual or erotic content.

[burnt matrix]

We should go back to talking about good games like Bug and Sega Rally

[hearty marten]

We’re discussing loads of good games in #1312772542091497472

It’s where all the cool kids are

[hearty carbon]

and me.

[trim nimbus]

For some reason that link didn’t take me to https://discord.com/channels/647909397477195803/1055574003810578503

[hearty marten]

There are good games (plural) for the Jaguar?!

I guess you could be discussing PS1 games in there or something

[drifting frigate]

Baroque still blows me away as a killer app for Saturn.

For Jag, I'd say Canon Fodder is absolutely excellent. Mutant Penguins is unique and kinda fun. AvP isn't as great as everyone says, but it's solid. Jag Doom is really good if you're deaf from TV transformers or provide your own soundtrack. NBA Jam is stellar on Jaguar for real real. Tempest 2K is great.

OK, I'm out.

[vocal stirrup]

Hey guys just getting a feel for the environment right now. Whats the status on lightgun support? i see Lu's video says beta core has support these days but is it worth bothering with yet or is it janky enough that i should hold off on it if i dont own a gun yet?

[radiant karma]

Only snac for now, works great if you own a stunner/Virtua gun and a CRT.

[vocal stirrup]

oh thats great news! i've got a saturn snac adapter on the way already and the CRT is the lynchpin to this whole setup so i'm good there. Sounds like its time to ask the wife for a Stunner/Virtua gun for christmas then lol

[errant crown]

https://tenor.com/view/guac-lisadoodle-chips-snack-gif-22673199

[kindred sundial]

Just beat Saturn Bomberman on the core. What an incredible game a 10/10. Timeless and now my favorite Bomberman game

[marble laurel]

https://github.com/srg320/Main_MiSTer/commit/32a262d38709ad5562e56546393f249ca5069be1

[errant crown]

The game that turned me onto Bomberman

[dusty shale]

NICE!

[ripe valley]

https://tenor.com/view/anger-management-jack-nicholson-yes-duh-nods-gif-5222702

[hearty marten]

It’s gotta be time for a release soon, surely! 🥺

[ripe valley]

Just waiting for the unstable Main MiSTer file to be compiled by the bot.

[hearty marten]

Has the Saturn core been unable to save until today then? Or is the backup cart only used for certain games? What’s the use case for the backup cart here?

Google suggests it just gives more storage, and that the internal storage can have issues when the battery dies - neither of which I presumed would be an issue for the core?

[ripe valley]

Backup cart only was missing.

[hearty marten]

(Assuming srg320 does the same thing as Robert and initialises new memory for each game)

[hearty marten]

Sure, but does it enable anything new or is it just a completeness thing?

[ripe valley]

Some games use it for their save mechanism as the internal RAM isn't enough.

[hearty marten]

Thanks 🙂

[ripe valley]

Or need an already initialized card with a save done on factory (Tamagotchi).

And back that time, backup the save on an external memory for most of them.

[ripe valley]

No problem at all for the core.

[hearty marten]

I can see how it made more sense back in the day/on real hardware. Just curious as to what the use case is here - which you’ve explained. Thank you very much 🙂

[mortal mist]

if anyone wants to test Main Mister with changes for Sega backup cartridge

rename to MiSTer

[ripe valley]

Thanks @mortal mist, I've updated the 32x core on the other side.

[ripe valley]

Works perfectly on Rayman, SEGA Rally, Panzer Dragoon Zwei.

Just really slow saving with the OSD (8-9 secs).

[stiff patrol]

Taking bets on how long it takes before someone says it doesnt work and they havent swapped in the Mister file

[ripe valley]

The original save file is amended and extended from 65 536 bytes to 1 114 112 ones.

I need to know how to convert the original Tamagotchi one extracted from the Backup card sold with the game to a compatible file for the core.

[cunning citrus]

Netlink support would be soo cool. Using Mister lan port to play over the internet.

A man can Dream.

[quick sorrel]

If all the games are in separate folders, wouldn’t the internal RAM always be sufficient?
Or are there some games that only save to a backup cart?

[sacred goblet]

What is this commit exactly?

[marble laurel]

to support save for Saturn on MiSTer Main

[visual grove]

Saturn can save without a backup cart it’s just a few games that use it

Err real Saturn

Oops sorry it’s been covered

[ripe valley]

Only one game use just the Backup cart exclusively.

[visual grove]

Should’ve scrolled

I only knew a couple other Saturn owners back when it was new but nobody had a backup cart. I don’t think I even knew they ever existed until the aughts

[ripe valley]

So far, the support is working and no regression found.

I could use it for my tests beginning tomorrow.

[soft goblet]

Backup cart was one of the first things I bought (combined action replay/backup) cause a lot of RPGs used a ton of space and the internal memory was often full with just 1 or 2 games

[visual grove]

I never played RPGs on Saturn and still haven’t played through one 😅

[soft goblet]

Thank you for being so open and brave to admit that you are a bad person. Reminds me of Robby, from what I've seen here.

[visual grove]

Comparing me to Robby? Don’t say things you can’t take back. Too late now I’m depressed

Time to stress eat some bbq ribs. Oh god it’s happening Texas has infected me

[hearty marten]

Ouch. That’s really gonna hurt people who have auto save enabled

For the size you described, I don’t understand why it’s so slow

[ripe valley]

Only if you have the Backup card option activated.

[hearty marten]

Oh, it’s toggle-able. Awesome!

[ancient surge]

The SEGA Saturn Tamagotchi game is kinda neat, because you can get Tamagotchi pets based on different SEGA characters.

Including Sonic, Alex Kidd, Pengo, Opa-Opa, and Flicky.

The Nintendo 64 game also did something similar, where it's possible to get Tamagotchi pets based on Mario and Wario.

[burnt matrix]

SATURNDAY

[glass rain]

(Whispering) it’s Sunday

[stiff patrol]

its sunday !

Texas is behind the times as usual

[glass rain]

SatUrNDAY

[burnt matrix]

pins updated

[cursive tree]

I am curious if the saturn core will at some point supports rom carts, like the one for KoF95.

[ancient surge]

I thought it already did?

[drowsy hull]

Wasn't that the reason for the load rom osd option?

[cursive tree]

Maybe its my mistake. Never was able to make it’s work. Probably I am doing something wrong

[burnt matrix]

lol a typo

[ripe valley]

It works if I remember well for some of my past tests, but I'm using the hacked ISOs for the two games using these ROM cards now.

[mortal mist]

#1046941029296779344 message - also need for now mister main with changes for saturn

[mortal mist]

yes , annoying

[mortal mist]

I use kof95.bin file + unpatched game , works ok

[ripe valley]

So, Ultraman and KoF 95 work.

[naive whale]

I’m gonna miss the upside down nets

[mortal mist]

we will make the appropriate option in osd: flipped nets = on/off

For now, I bypassed the vsync=1 problem with DoA, etc., by setting refresh_min=60 in the ini file

I do not see any regressions in the last core. for my part, I have nothing to report.

[naive whale]

The one true way🤣

[ripe valley]

Sorry about your loss.

😏

[wise brook]

Panzer Dragoon issue closed

[burnt matrix]

Any major games that still have issues?

[ripe valley]

Just some slowdowns on Last Bronx and Fighting Vipers on Single RAM hat can't be bypassed even with the FAST timings option.

[burnt matrix]

That’s it? Awesome!

[ripe valley]

And some people are reporting a crash on the final stages of Dead or Alive, but I can't reproduce it so far.

[mortal mist]

Virtua Fighter 2 and Tomb Raider , gfx issue

[visual grove]

I assume interlaced analog output is still an issue

[mortal mist]

Yes

[ripe valley]

We have a workaround with your backport.

That's not without a partial solution.

[ancient surge]

Apparently the interlacing issue might be related to a bug outputting the wrong refresh rate?

We really need a test homebrew for the VDP chips, because I wouldn't be surprised if there are edge cases that we don't know about.

[burnt matrix]

Interesting! I’ll double check too. I’ve tested DoA multiple times and beat the arcade mode to completion with zero issues besides some random bouts slowdown during the stage intro.

[ripe valley]

Robby have asked about the major games, I've replied, the interlaced analog is more about the general system.

But yes, that's another issue remaining.

I will retest Time Gal & Ninja Hayate tomorrow.

We have the PSX version though that work correctly.

I need to retest Princess Crown too, for the glowing fairy render.

[mortal mist]

I have prepared a core with all the changes so far. Tomb Raider and Virtua Fighter 2 works correctly without errors. I also tested other games I own , they also work ok. The only downside is Battle Garegga where I undid the changes. If someone cares more about TR and VF2 than Battle Garegga they can use this core without worry.

[ripe valley]

It doesn't exist so far, to bad.

[celest lake]

do both unstables require the custom main now? Or is that only if you want to test the backup cart?

[twin canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/yuriatomoki-yuria-riku-tomoki-riki-japan-gif-26124719

[ripe valley]

You can use the core but the Card : BACKUP option will not work as intended.

[ancient surge]

I know, I'm just slightly annoyed that it doesn't.

[vestal night]

Ladies and gentlemen, please tell me if there is a road rash hack with 3do music?

[naive whale]

I’ve beaten it as well. No issues

[burnt matrix]

please no monkey gifs in here, sorry

only segata sanshiro gifs but like no spamming it

[twin canyon]

very well

[burnt matrix]

So everyone is aware, @ripe valley very kindly backported today's Saturn SH7604 changes into the 32X core - #1096614378968727652 message

[sudden pumice]

Is there any benefit on the Saturn core to using the backup cartridge vs internal memory??? I understand the benefit in the physical hardware but wasnt sure about the core

[naive whale]

Nothing of note that I can think of

[hearty marten]

Umm.. increased save file sizes. Might be a benefit if you work for Sandisk

[ancient fractal]

As you have full one internal memory per game with the core, there’s little reason to use the backup cart. If memory serves (it was a good while I used mine) many games don’t allow you to use the backup cart directly, so you need to use the BIOS menu to copy to/from it (hence “backup”)

[hearty marten]

PSX won the generation with memory cards

I remember going round to friends’ back in the day and taking my memory card so we could continue and share saves etc

[pearl harbor]

Hooray for Saturnday!

[mortal mist]

single sdram version

[hearty marten]

Just saw that @mortal mist fixed the typo. Thanks! It was triggering my OCD

[hallow fossil]

Does it still say "Insert Disk" rather than "Insert Disc" to load a CD?

[ripe valley]

"S0,CUECHD,Insert Disk;",

So, yes.

[stiff patrol]

yes s should be a C

[hearty marten]

[celest lake]

Literally unplayable

[pastel basalt]

It probably does make sense for more people since vf2 is such a Saturn staple

And there is a battle garegga arcade core

The Garegga Saturn port is my favorite though

[mortal mist]

Ok commit on the way 🤣

[stiff patrol]

another vital fix

[drifting frigate]

Hey, my boss, Reginald Disk, just asked me to check on his drive mechanism being implemented in the core... he's so proud of it.

Let me just read through the threeeaaaaaoooohmygodddd! He's gonna be heartbroken!

[burnt matrix]

Finally played the Princess Crown translation and yeah man, they did an awesome job. The game has nice big sprites and is animated very well.

[high bramble]

Did it make you feel like a princess?

[burnt matrix]

No lol

[high bramble]

Aww... it's a pass for me then.

[trim nimbus]

Did you pick up the cat?

[burnt matrix]

Nope

[trim nimbus]

You are playing it wrong 😉

[burnt matrix]

probably!

[errant crown]

Did it crash often, or was it pretty playable?

[burnt matrix]

Didn’t have a single issue

[high bramble]

What's the link to the latest one again?

[burnt matrix]

But I’m not familiar with the game so many there are issues?

[errant crown]

I just remember the eadmaster guy saying to still save often

[high bramble]

I'd like to try out the recommended one as well.

[burnt matrix]

https://github.com/eadmaster/pcrown/

[high bramble]

Thank you very much, kind sir.

[burnt matrix]

Yea, maybe it does crash? I’m not as far as the first boss, I remember someone said it crashed for them there.

[high bramble]

(didn't mean to assume your masculinity or demeanor) 😉

[burnt matrix]

lol

I am a bro

[hearty marten]

Linux bro

Linux bro… King?

[high bramble]

Ha-bro-ken

[mortal mist]

I added the option Black Transitions , it works the same as on PSX , when changing the resolution there are no ugly artifacts, the same when changing the game (or reset) - FOR TESTING PURPOSES ONLY!

please test

[mortal mist]

You can enable and disable this option in the menu

[small gust]

https://youtu.be/8iGA8CM8X98 This is going to be some nice DF-Retro series,
John briefly shows of Grandia in the intro, i'm really exited to see analysis of that game between the platforms, especially the framerate and timeframe output.

[quick sorrel]

Only dual?

[burnt matrix]

🐏🐏

[pearl harbor]

Everyone knows it made him feel like a fat baby! It's his favorite genre.

[burnt matrix]

[pearl harbor]

[mortal mist]

single build - FOR TESTING PURPOSES ONLY!

[hallow fossil]

If you are fixing, same typo is on the Mega CD core. Is funny that has been there for years now.

[pallid pier]

do need the MiSTer Main unstable for the new Saturn update if I don't use backup ram?

[celest lake]

nope

(I asked the same thing)

[pallid pier]

cool, thanks

[radiant karma]

Seems a patch for die hard arcade resolution switching problem (on HDMI) is out.

https://segaxtreme.net/resources/die-hard-arcade-dynamite-deka-240p-patch-language-fix.368/

So it is not really a core problem.

[pastel basalt]

So is Astra Superstars natively 480i? Running direct video into my retrotink shows a 240p signal

[radiant karma]

I just watched VGE latest video and Astra superstars was featured with Bob deinterlacing so definitely 480i.

[warped saddle]

isn't the analog out still wrong/broken for interlaced signals in this core?

[pastel basalt]

Ah gotcha for some reason I thought it had been fixed

[pastel basalt]

Yeah that’s why I was wondering

[celest lake]

I believe so. I haven’t seen bacon’s video, but maybe he just did all hdmi

[pastel basalt]

I think I misheard something bacon said, I interpreted it to mean that interlaced over analog was working

But yeah he showed off bob vs weave over hdmi in the video

[burnt matrix]

Keriotosse! for the Saturn is kinda neat. Like a low-rent power stone where the goal is to knock other players off the central platform. Lots of goofy level hazards and basic attacks.

[pastel basalt]

That sounds rad

[errant crown]

Interlaced signals have worked since like 3 cores ago

[warped saddle]

there's still something subtly wrong on analog out, nothing that can normally detect interlaced signals does with that output

[pastel basalt]

Yeah the retrotink definitely does not see an interlaced signal

You can see the artifacting from some kind of deinterlacer

[willow pawn]

Yeah it's completely wrong I just added when it looked good on my CRT

[errant crown]

You sure? I have played it with my RT4K, and it correctly detects it as 480i, and looks great with motion adaptive deinterlacing.

[hardy lodge]

Same

[errant crown]

directly through HDMI in Direct Video mode

Maybe the issues are only when not using HDMI DV1?

[hardy lodge]

I had a hdmi switch that messed up the transition between 240p and 480i.

Maybe it's something like that?

[errant crown]

Could be?

The switch I'm using hasn't given me that issue

[hardy lodge]

I got one recommended and that one works great

Best to just plug in directly for testing.

[errant crown]

Yeah, the one I have has none of the usual issues

Its only downside is no HDCP support

[hardy lodge]

I only use pstv with hdcp, there is a solution you can put between it and the switch.

[mortal mist]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/301 , https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/299

does not seem to work properly for everyone

[errant crown]

Gotcha. So, it seems DV1 does it, but analog out has issues.

At least from what I've observed.

Really cool the core seems mostly complete.

Can't wait for more updates.

[warped saddle]

btw, the reason it 'works' with DV1 is because DV1 has a flag that says the source is interlaced. I suspect that if the detection is broken over analog it means the signal is slightly wrong. I guess not so wrong that DV1 doesn't result in some weird deinterlacing

[thorn pagoda]

something to do with half-width lines

[ripe valley]

I've left some savefiles for investigations and the creation of a possible converter later from emulators and real console to the MiSTer format to Euan Forrester.

I've included a savefile for Tamagotchi too, extracted from the original Backup Cart (under .BUP format) if we could recreate it under the core format (and add the complete Tamagtochi function this time).

I could work from home today and during some breaks I could continue my tests for the compatibility list.

[floral saddle]

so happy to see this feature, works well thank you!
@ripe valley radiant silvergun score flickering seems to be cleared up, will do a few full runs later in the week to check the rest of the game and see if the glitch still happens when restarting after completion of story. thanks for reporting the issues!

[mortal mist]

thanks for testing !

[pastel basalt]

Oh interesting; I have a 5x

[pastel basalt]

What is DV1?

[ancient surge]

Direct video

[pastel basalt]

I’m doing direct video hdmi to vga into the laserbear converter for component

I’ll try it on the actual crt rq to compare

[pastel basalt]

Astra has this weird jitter over direct video into the crt

Idk if it’s clear but the font is messed up

[burnt matrix]

pins updated

[pastel basalt]

I feel like I’m still seeing artifacting but it’s way less noticeable on the crt

During gameplay

[burnt matrix]

change it from bob to weave

[willow pawn]

Direct video wouldn't affect it

[pastel basalt]

No difference

[burnt matrix]

oh ok, sorry about that

[quick sorrel]

Everything I was playing looks great. I should try some 480i games at some point. Anyone got any recommendations to try/play?

[pastel basalt]

It’s still a good check to see if the deinterlacer option is affecting the analog signal

[pastel basalt]

Check out Astra Superstars lol

And tell us if you see artifacting

[willow pawn]

By the way I (I added the botched interlace) don't see any problem on Astra, this monitor is dependant on your monitor

[pastel basalt]

How are you running it? Are you on a crt?

[willow pawn]

Analog IO to PAL SCART RGB CRT

[pastel basalt]

Hmmm interesting

Ok well mine is direct video to component to an ntsc crt

Oh my god

[willow pawn]

lmao

qwerty to component is my fav adapter

[burnt matrix]

lolol I was so confused

[willow pawn]

Right now the sync width isn't consistant
I made another build with consistant sync width but it didn't change anything for people

[pastel basalt]

iphone autocorrect does not like when I try to use acronyms

[pastel basalt]

thanks for attempting that!

[ancient surge]

Isn't the issue that the interlacing is outputting at the wrong refresh rate?

A flat 60hz sounds incorrect.

[willow pawn]

In the current build -
The sync signal is longer on one frame on the other, and its also not centered (Its impossible to center because the picture width is odd)

[willow pawn]

I'm trying another build where I'm shifting the last build by half pixel

[mortal mist]

Thanks!🍻

[willow pawn]

I don't think this is it, but it looks good on my end and I'm pretty sure does exact half lines

Anyone who had problems in Analog/Direct video interlaced video can test

[pastel basalt]

Will test now

yeah still quite jittery in menus and with text on the screen

let me test back in the rt5x

[warped saddle]

tink 5x detects it as interlaced, but it is very badly jittering. also if you cycle through one of the interlace options the 'pre-interlacing' bob scanline setting causes it to render a half height frame. so there may be something about field order

[willow pawn]

At this point I need a t5x of my own because all the builds I send look identical on my end hahaha

[pastel basalt]

yeah I see 525i now which is great. doing Bob offset +4 or switching the field order without the offset seems to get rid of most of the artifacting

the menus are jittery on my crt even with real hardware interestingly

like Saturn into the crt via composite

but the gameplay on real hardware is completely clean, no jittering

[warped saddle]

what changes did you make for this build? or is there a diff/github compare?

[willow pawn]

I did another build in the meantime cause I think I was off by 1 pixel (Off by one errors my favorate)

This is the another

This is the only file I changed

Since the VDP2 generates the sync signal

[pastel basalt]

Will test

[warped saddle]

oh

I bet part of the problem is the vsync end is still hsync aligned

both the start and end of the vsync have to be in 'half lines'

[pastel basalt]

results are about the same

[willow pawn]

Is that not what's happening?

The vsync hstart wire should control the vsync end as well

[warped saddle]

oh hmm yeah. although I wonder if it is still a line late or something. I think this is at the point where I need to find my logic analyzer, lol

(and remember how to use it)

[willow pawn]

If it's 480i it might be switching the field to early

Compared to 448i

But I don't think that's the case

[halcyon mica]

Hi, it's me with the finnicky Commdore 1084 crt monitor. I tried both rbfs to be sure. They still have the separated fields in interlaced screens, which makes interlaced analog output unwatchable on my set.

[willow pawn]

Yeah so it's not the half line thing needing to be exactly half

[warped saddle]

that's the half-line vsync, which is good

these are the other vsyncs

it's happening before hsync pulse, but only when the signal is interlaced

progressive signal

there's also some weird noise at the end of the hsync pulse, but I see that with the psx core too. I wonder if I'm getting qmtech'd here or something

[abstract fractal]

This one a lot better on my Sony PVM, not perfect at the bottom but a lot better.

[willow pawn]

Only when hte signal is interlaced? Very very curious

Ah nevermind

@warped saddle If 320 x something than vsync and hsync will be close to eachother, if 352 x something than vsync comes first

This is something the core does on both progressive and interlaced

[warped saddle]

has someone verified that against actual hardware?

[willow pawn]

I'm not sure

I wouldn't be surprised if srg had it as a placeholder

[gloomy hedge]

Is this something a dumbass like could check for you guys sometime

[willow pawn]

If you have a logic analyzer, yes

[gloomy hedge]

As a purveyor of a real Saturn

[gloomy hedge]

No I ban logic in my house

No logic only zuul

[willow pawn]

Zool: Majū Tsukai Densetsu is a pretty weird choice

[gloomy hedge]

Also zool

The real zool

[willow pawn]

I can try syncing the vsync and hsync up

Should be simple enough

[gloomy hedge]

Good luck sxientists

[inner kayak]

100k+ points for the joke intersection

[willow pawn]

Build incoming

(In 18 minutes)

[warped saddle]

do I seriously not have a saturn controller, wtf

[willow pawn]

You have a Saturn but no controller?

[pearl harbor]

I shall hold my two Saturn controllers tightly with a smug look on my face.

[warped saddle]

even better, i have 2 saturns

and no controller

[willow pawn]

lmao

[warped saddle]

and one of them has an ODE in it

[pastel basalt]

lmaooo

[willow pawn]

wtf

[warped saddle]

I mean, at some point I had a controller, but....

[pastel basalt]

fenrir or mode?

or satiator I guess

[abstract fractal]

This one a lot worse on my Sony PVM, sorry.

[warped saddle]

also that build is less wonky with interlaced, but mroe jumpy. whatever was causing the 5x to do weird stuff like show a half frame with some settings no longer happens

and the ode is a fenrir

I know I probably have a controller, but where did it end up after 3 moves? who knows

[pastel basalt]

That’s the rt5x with motion adapative deinterlacing; bob +4 looks better

[willow pawn]

Now I think again its because of the vsync starting wrong

But now its alligned sooooo

The only clue I got is an off by error again

[warped saddle]

motion adapt + inverted field order makes the doa title screen look really good, hmm

[pastel basalt]

what about during gameplay?

[willow pawn]

Note that I did make a couple of inverted field order builds but they looked wrong on my end

[warped saddle]

just as good during actual gameplay

[thorn pagoda]

some old dreamcast cables had to have inverted field order on because they had a bad sync combiner iirc

[willow pawn]

If this matters I am using a Sync combiner

This has never come into play through, ever

[thorn pagoda]

yeah i have no idea if thats relevant at all its just the only other thing i've heard of needing that setting

[willow pawn]

The only thing that's ever been relevant for it is needing to set csync=0 in my ini

[pastel basalt]

same for me on Astra

title looks good, gameplay is not distracting (I don't think it's perfect but it's way better)

[willow pawn]

Inb4 its my combiner making bad things look good lmao

[pastel basalt]

inverted field order in this build definitely works on the upscaler

[pastel basalt]

you've worked some kind of magic for sure though

is it possible to do a version with the field order swapped?

[willow pawn]

Yes

Zakk can you confirm the signal looks good in this build?

If yes I will do another

[thorn pagoda]

i think sync combiners always rebuild the sync signal don't they? it could be applying some conditioning

[pastel basalt]

Kash money

[willow pawn]

Sync combiners are pretty simple