Sega Saturn

[green swift]

I was actually about to look up the games affected by dual RAM and single builds with the RAM turbo option when your post rolled in lol. Divine intervention!

[small gust]

there might be other games that has a difference. But those are the ones I know people have been talking about recently.

[burnt matrix]

We found the dragon stan

do you listen to imagine dragons too?

[fallow oracle]

oh the misery

[sudden tusk]

Don’t mock me brohhhh!

[burnt matrix]

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-video-game-nerd-mad-avgn-frown-emotional-gif-16682306

[fallow oracle]

PDS is great and I'm not at all totally biased

[burnt matrix]

That and Spyro is great

[sudden tusk]

Yeah robby take your final fantasy loving ass to PSX chat

[fallow oracle]

Spyro is also great

[hearty carbon]

Dragon Force

[fallow oracle]

FFVII is great, but only when Bahamut's summoned

[sudden tusk]

Specially when you have 100 dragon units ! Shit looks glorious

[hearty carbon]

||unless they have Samurai||

[sudden tusk]

Mannnn! That’s why you gotta have some mages for backup

[burnt matrix]

imagine playing dragon force when you could be playing final fantasy tactics, couldn’t be me

lol I deserve what I get

he gonna be big mad

[sudden tusk]

I beat tactics when I was in my teens ..and again in my 20s

[paper tiger]

isn't there a hack that puts DragonForce tunes into Dragon Force battles

[sudden tusk]

Unlocked cloud and eeevrythang

[hearty carbon]

Dragon Force gave you that good Braveheart shit before Shogun Total War ever came out

And anime bullshit too.

[sudden tusk]

Hell yeah! And enough micromanaging to drive anyone nuts .. I LOVE IT

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/word-gif-11034524

I must have it

[paper tiger]

i'm joking.. but hey ;p

make it so!

[sudden tusk]

GOT ME!

[paper tiger]

DF battle tunes are somewhat weak let's just be honest 😄

[hearty carbon]

I am, once again, considering 🐏 🐏

I should just buy it already

[burnt matrix]

yeah probably, I don’t think it’ll be necessary unless you want to enjoy the wonders and sights of #1055574003810578503

that one seems unlikely to work with just one stick, at least for now

[hearty carbon]

Yeah, it's never necessary and then it is for a week or two and then not again

[burnt matrix]

yeah lol

[hearty carbon]

So, I'm probably just going to get it 😄

[burnt matrix]

I mean if you have a digital board, just buy a cheap 32mb stick

That’s all you need I think, I mean that’s what I have and it all works for me

[hearty carbon]

what did you get?

[burnt matrix]

I went for the cheapest I could find at the time which was this - https://www.legacypixels.com/mister/

$20 for 32mb

Now with the clone boards, maybe they have cheaper ram?

[celest lake]

yeah, taki's is 20 for 128

[hardy lodge]

I've got 128mb twice. Seems I'm superior to even Robby now. 😎

[dusty shale]

😡

Is this specifically an update for 480i on CRT?

[willow pawn]

Yes
It doesn't seem to fix stuff for the guys who were having problems, so I'm stumped

[visual grove]

I can test later if you want more eyes/crts on it

[dusty shale]

Forgive me for asking, but if it still doesn't fix interlacing, why do you intend to submit a PR for it?

[willow pawn]

Now I'm not since someone reported Retrotink regressions

But it added the Bob/Weave option for digital users

[dusty shale]

Fair enough.

[visual grove]

Yeah if the tink is just taking the analog output I would expect it to face the same problems no?

[rich violet]

A PR for the bob/weave would be great!

[willow pawn]

Right now its working

And analog output is incorrect

[visual grove]

So the tink is massaging the signal somehow?

[willow pawn]

Massaging?

[visual grove]

Seems like 480i would behave the same for any CRT so long as it conforms to ntsc. It’s not like there should be variance in how CRTs deal with it

[willow pawn]

It does not conform to NTSC

[visual grove]

Manipulating it in some way to make it work

[willow pawn]

I thought the pinned core conforms better , but evidently it does not

[ripe valley]

Dinosaur Island seems to work fine now.

I tried 2 sessions of 25 minutes each without any issues.

[random shard]

hey guys

so I'm understanding this new workaround will break games?

Add a menu option to speed up some timing to compensate ddr3 latency (for single sdram build)

I guess you will use them if you are a single ram user, trying to play VF2 engine games

[rich violet]

Yeah, you shouldn't leave it enabled, but it's should be turned on for 3D fighting games on single RAM

[random shard]

cool stuff, thanks!

[rich violet]

This is what srg320 said: https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/251#issuecomment-2482401756

[random shard]

SRG320 saving ship

as always

[random shard]

"To provide such precision is possible only in a dual sdram build."

meaning its not a lost cause like the N64, with dual ram we can still have precision

we won't have to rely on hacks

interesting

SRG320 and zumpass making the impossible with the mister

another interesting phrase "Here we need absolute accuracy of RAM-H reading by the CPU (that none of the emulators have)"

saturn is probably the most neglected system in the emu scene

[pearl harbor]

The dual ram elite is growing! Praise be! 🙏

[random shard]

welcome to the elite club 😜

I meant quirrin

[pearl harbor]

I also joined the club last week.

[rich violet]

[random shard]

awesome, we have snacks for newcomers 😜

[pearl harbor]

But do you also have SNACs?

[random shard]

I do have SNAC

and those saturn replicas from retrobit

they've worked quite well but they have a weird issue on the DPADs

[pearl harbor]

I use my SNAC mostly for my Saturn 3D controller at this point for those sweet sweet analog triggers.

[rich violet]

I just use M30s

[random shard]

but which game other than Nights?

*would use it

[pearl harbor]

Sega Rally!

[random shard]

ahhh I had no idea

gotta watch the gamesack episode again

[radiant karma]

I wonder if only RAM-H has been moved to the second sdram, we could see more things moved in the future.

[pearl harbor]

Plus several other racing games actually.

The analog triggers are great for the racing games that use it.

[random shard]

I will guess this would further complicate development for SRG320 and why zumpass dropped dualsdram builds

he would basically have to program and test everything twice

[mortal mist]

I don't think it's possible to move any more

But yes , who knows ,. the magic of srg320 is strong

[burnt matrix]

Man, I could never write a core. People be giving me bug reports for “Doki Doki Heart Banquet” and my immediate response would be to stop playing that shit lmao

[dusty shale]

Hey, someone's gotta sift through all those trashy VNs no one cares about enough to translate.

On an unrelated note:

Testing Casper (Japanese).

[burnt matrix]

Yeah true, which is why I’m shit at testing lol.

I’d just be reporting that Sega Rally works great like every build. That game is the GOAT.

Also I don’t want to make light of testing that stuff. Like it’s genuinely appreciated and I love y’all for doing it.

[dusty shale]

This is one of those localisations where all of the audio is still in English.

See also... Gex.

[slate bluff]

I never did find a fix for flickering textures. Maybe I just need to get another bin/cue and re-patch? That is the only thing I have not tried thus far.

[wise brook]

i love that i can now read all that

[dusty shale]

That's enough of that tomfoolery. Casper works. Next game.

[small gust]

Oh that's to bad. @slate bluff

I did not test the non patched version myself, but I think the issue was present in the non patched version aswell.

Really weird and sad, that the issue persist even with dual ram for you.

[dusty shale]

Also, I think my PVM's speakers have finally died.

Oh, well. It was a long time coming.

Testing **Cat the Ripper: 13 Ninme no Tanteishi **(Japanese).

[small gust]

Mine has never worked :/
So I have no idea how pvm speakers sound

[dusty shale]

Mine has mono only, so it's a bit poor. Thankfully, the aftermarket SCART slot card I installed has its own audio out.

Now this is odd. It's seemingly an entirely 2D game, but the MiSTer hangs right after starting the game.

I'm not sure about this. I'll try a dump from another source before I say definitively that it doesn't work.

Testing **Chaos Control **(Japanese).

Chaos Control is a neat FMV rail shooter. Seems to run just fine on MiSTer.

[gusty quest]

My retro castle dual SDram board arrived today hrrr

[wise brook]

what color?

[gusty quest]

Orange
It replaces the clear analogue one i had

[dusty shale]

I DIED RIGHT AT THE END OF CHAOS CONTROL

this is the kind of fumbling you can only experience on Sega Saturn

(anyway, it works)

[mortal mist]

I finished Chaos Control Remix some time ago

[dusty shale]

Remix is next on the list.

Turns out Chaos Control lets you continue from the stage you lost at, and there's only four stages.

[errant crown]

A Casper game on Saturn what the hell

[dusty shale]

it's a tie in with the movie

weirder still: the Casper movie had both a SNES and Super Famicom game

as in two different games

one in NA/EU and another in Japan

[hearty marten]

The PSX Casper game is amazing - judging by the screenshots it’s the same as the Saturn game?

[burnt matrix]

Yeah?

[hearty marten]

Amazing = I enjoyed it as a kid

[serene thunder]

Whatta bout Herc's Adventure

[hearty marten]

I haven’t ever actually finished it though. Ended up spending a lot of time looking for something I missed (trial an error of going into every single room in the game) and then moving on to another game as I got bored. Started it again a while back on Robert’s core though

[serene thunder]

I can deffo recommend BEYOND Oasis

[hearty marten]

So maybe “amazing” isn’t the right word. Probably just nostalgia talking 😂

[serene thunder]

sneaky game with fun combat

[hearty marten]

Always looked good on the videos I’ve seen. Love the art style

[serene thunder]

Koshiro fam in action
Though the actual music is not great

[drowsy hull]

excuse me

[serene thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-banana-fail-gif-27128557

[soft goblet]

beyond oasis is great indeed. the saturn sequel legend of oasis was also really good

[serene thunder]

Wait, I was trying to recommend the Saturn game
LOL
I have only played bits of the Genesis one

Saturn is the one with odd, unremarkable music

[muted cradle]

Can someone check Sonic Wings Special? In the Option menu there is a section where you can set the Display Type

Normal - Arcade - Interlaced

When I click through those display types relatively fast to the right or to the left it starts to stutter and to flicker, as if he wants to show those all at once. Not really game breaking, just interesting)

(single core, HDMI out)

And I wonder if the Interlaced mode is supposed to show such a tiny window.

[sudden tusk]

PD SAGA supports the 3D pad

I ain’t even know

[hardy lodge]

Having grandia run as intended feels so good. Wish Robby was alive to see this. 🙏

[quick sorrel]

Acute FPGA overdose?

[pearl harbor]

One could say that Robby was doomed...eternally.

[small gust]

Definitely, as soon as I am finished with refantazio I will replay grandia.

[hardy lodge]

I'm stuck in legend of dragoon hell. That game is too long for how not very good it is.

[pearl harbor]

I'm stuck in Ys X heaven!

And Dragon Quest III HD-2D remake.

[celest lake]

I started PD Saga again last night. First time in…..25(?) years since I have played through it. Dangerously orbiting another playthrough

[hardy lodge]

I never played a pd game. How are they on the core by now?

[hardy lodge]

I'll wait for 1&2 to drop to play them in the proper order

[celest lake]

Good, but PD 1 and 2 are rail shooters like Rez and Space Harrier

PD Saga is a full blown RPG (that I remember being quite good)

[quick sorrel]

I’ve had the game since it came out and never played it 🤷‍♂️
I had the FOMO back then

Should remedy that on the core

[celest lake]

Saga? Yeah, it's worth playing for sure

[median tartan]

This is where I plan on starting. This list is by no means accurate. I doubt it's complete, either.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Sega_Saturn-only_games

[hearty carbon]

That's a smart list to go off of but that's also from back when ports might be different enough to wanna see both versions.

Not always, sometimes it was the exact same game, but still of the age when there were differences.

[median tartan]

I noticed a couple of examples where they listed games like Sonic that are just a compellation of ports

[hearty carbon]

The Saturn and the PSX started to get games that were, for usually the detriment of the Saturn, very close to the same game but there are some examples where the Saturn has a very cool version of something that appeared on another platform.

Either way, that's a good list to keep you busy.

[median tartan]

I'm currently working on a surprise for a friend of mine. There is a JP only bomberman game with a EN patch. Attempting to patch and then compress to CHD

[errant crown]

To be fair, Sonic Jam does have original content (the Sonic World mode, which was the first time we saw him in actual 3D)

[median tartan]

Yeah. But the only thing you really do is walk from game to game, right?

[errant crown]

There are challenges you can do

It’s more interactive than, say, Namco Museum

I wouldn’t count something like I Love Mickey Mouse, since that’s just Castle of Illusion and Quackshot with a simple menu selection

[rich violet]

Saturn Bomberman Fight?

[median tartan]

that's the one

[mortal mist]

I tested the same sd card on three dualsdram hardware. Two de10 and qmtech , on each I got different results. The first de10, as I described in the submission , stutter in the music at the beginning of the fight in DoA, on the second de10 everything is fine, on the qmtech clone I even have artifacts in the intro. It definitely has to do with sdram.

[ripe valley]

Thanks for the report.

[high bramble]

Chronologically, 3 comes first.

[hardy lodge]

Spoilers! 😭

[burnt matrix]

I am hoping that some day rom hackers figure out how to make more content for Sonic Jam. Like it’s got the bones of a legitimately fun 3D Sonic game.

[muted cradle]

@ripe valley , please tell me if I shall file a bug report

[ripe valley]

Do it.

I'm not available much more today, as I need some rest.

[hearty marten]

Take it easy @ripe valley ❤️

[proper prism]

I have a total noob question. Is there any way to force PAL games to run at 60hz? I've been through all the MiSTer settings, the .cfg, and the Saturn core settings, but the PAL games still play at 50hz. Is there a way to actually change it?

If I region patched those games, would that work?

[undone oyster]

Why not just aquire the USA versions of the games (unless they are EU exclusive but I don't know the Saturn well enough to know if there were any)?

[mortal mist]

Boot game and change region to USA , JAP etc. or use region free bios

[proper prism]

I'm using region free BIOS. I had trouble getting EU games to boot when changed the region.

[proper prism]

Yeah, there are a couple of EU exclusives I'm trying to play.

It turns out that a lot of EU Saturn games weren't actually optimized for 50hz, so they'll run fine at 60. I came across this list when I was searching the web.
https://randomisedgaming.tumblr.com/post/146372446412/the-complete-european-sega-saturn-60hz-guide-to

[ancient surge]

By the way, it's officially the SEGA Saturn's 30th anniversary in Japan!

[visual grove]

I sent a card

[soft goblet]

Shining Force 3 Sc. 1 has graphical corruption whenever any sort of magic/special attack is triggered during the late game battles.. the background becomes corrupted. Using the Dual RAM core v241116.

[hearty marten]

If it’s late game, it might help to provide srg320 with a save file

[soft goblet]

Save data mid-battle, just use special/magic attack on an enemy

[hearty marten]

Ha, you beat me to it 😄

[soft goblet]

Hey, I can only type so fast

Ah.. to clarify, this is the english patched v25.1 translated version

But it's the same version I played on previous core versions where this didn't occur, I believe.. I'll test with an older core later, though

[ancient surge]

Hmm, maybe double check that this isn't the patch causing glitches.

[soft goblet]

Using the last stable core (v240628), no such issue (took the screenshot half a second late so it was fading out). It seems to be caused by the background weaving effect that happens when magic is cast, for example

[ancient surge]

@soft goblet If you can, post this on the issues page with your setup and save files so srg can look into it.

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues

[soft goblet]

Done

[sharp dove]

Making Sonic a little faster in that mode could be a nice start

[sudden tusk]

Almost done with disc 2 of PD Saga and im just in awe of all the great voice acting and way ahead of their time cg cutscenes almost every npc has some interesting dialogue and the game pacing overall is superb !

Unlike FFVII .. with 0 voiced dialogue and just a few very brief cutscenes that are pretty stiff and don’t hold up well .. @burnt matrix

[burnt matrix]

I love Popeye character models

[sudden tusk]

FFVII looks worse than Roblox!!

BEHOLD BUT A BRIEF GLIMPSE OF THE GREATNESS THAT IS PD SAGAS AMAZINGLY SIMPLE YET COMPLEX AND VERSATILE BATTLE SYSTEM!

[pastel basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/cloud-strife-cloud-final-fantasy-vii-ffvii-ff7-gif-18190265

[median tartan]

I need to finish my OOT run so I can start playing all these saturn games in depth.

[sudden tusk]

Is this one of the dudes from that Korean pop group ?

[pastel basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/noctis-lucis-caelum-final-fantasy-xv-squad-gif-16941210

No you’re confused

This is the K-pop group

[sudden tusk]

Ahhhh!

I don’t understand the appeal .. but hey who am I to judge ..

[pastel basalt]

I really need to play through shining force 3

[sudden tusk]

Games hard af

[pastel basalt]

Just keep waiting for some reason

[sudden tusk]

I got to like the 5th mission and needed a break lol

[pastel basalt]

Yeah I get it, I think they got feedback that 1+2 were too easy haha

[sudden tusk]

Have you ever played shining force cd ?

[frail token]

man how do you get a custom title
I been begging for years!

[sudden tusk]

Honestly I’m not even sure .. I got the tittle in the SFVI official discord and it carried over to here ..

[frail token]

whaaaat

[sudden tusk]

Have you tried just adding whatever tittle to your name ?

[frail token]

oh I guess it is just your name huh

I was thinking of something else lol

like you can get the little icon and a title here

[sudden tusk]

Bruhh!!

[frail token]

me dumb

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/tongue-out-tickle-yum-tongue-donkey-gif-13542875221868285583

[pastel basalt]

No I actually haven’t what’s up with that game

It’s not just an upgraded version of 2?

[sudden tusk]

It’s a must play if you like the series! It’s essentially a compilation of remakes of the two GameGear SF games plus a new one you unlock after beating the first two … great soundtrack to boot

[burnt matrix]

LOL SHIT

IT DOES WORK

[sudden tusk]

What?

[burnt matrix]

is your name different

[celest lake]

oh fuck, robby is mad with power

RUN

[sudden tusk]

Mother hurker!

[burnt matrix]

I DIDNT KNOW IT WORKED LOL

I’ll revert it one second

Is it back

[sudden tusk]

Make me scrub killer 420

Oh dang it’s back

[burnt matrix]

Oh my god why would they let me have access to that

[sudden tusk]

@frail token looks like Robby has the power to make your wish come true

[frail token]

uh oh

the ironic part is I have no clue what I'd change anything to lol

[sudden tusk]

Can I have the title of DragonEnjoyer

? Please !!

[frail token]

Maybe I could be AI Wizard or something

[burnt matrix]

lol I can’t do it anymore

[frail token]

what a roller coaster of emotion

[sudden tusk]

Bummer! Well PD saga isn’t gonna beat itself .. I bet I can find like 50 more reasons why saga is better than ViI before the end of disc 3

[burnt matrix]

@frail token post

LMAO

[sudden tusk]

Who ?

[burnt matrix]

dinierto

lmao

[sudden tusk]

@frail token LMAO!

[burnt matrix]

I’m sorry I’ll put it back

[frail token]

https://tenor.com/view/boring-unimpressed-meh-really-seriously-gif-16279809

[burnt matrix]

Ok it’s fixed

[warped saddle]

I don't think Robby is drunk with power, I think he's just drunk

[burnt matrix]

[frail token]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-you-skeletor-gif-11747628

[visual grove]

Is this what passes for power?

[warped saddle]

lol, you couldn't handle all the 🐈 if you were a cooler me

[lofty spire]

is sanity... the price to pay... for POWER????

[visual grove]

All Zakks

[burnt matrix]

Sega Saturn is so cool, I missed out not playing it in the 90s

[median tartan]

my grandma rented one for me for one christmas. I'm fairly sure it cost her about half as much as buying one :/

[frail token]

I wanted one bad at the time but didn't know why lol

[small ore]

It's a really really awesome console, never knew anyone who had one growing up, and finally started looking into the library last year. It has some incredible exclusives on it, and the games a unique look from the PSX that's just the saturn.

[frail token]

new stuff is cool I guess

[burnt matrix]

I’ve had a Saturn in my closet with a bunch of games for like 15 years and never played it lol

But thanks to this core I play Saturn a few time every week!

@sudden tusk I actually own Panzer Dragoon Saga lol

[small ore]

the MiSTer is just so incredibly convenient to use

[tawdry lion]

One of its best and most overlooked features when people look at the initial cost

[median tartan]

Saturn is certainly the best example of something FPGA can do that Emulation can't

[burnt matrix]

Like I’m biased of course but the convenience is really my favorite thing. It’s a magic little box that plays all my favorite games and systems within seconds of pressing the power button.

[frail token]

With the right drugs any box could do that

[proper prism]

In my humble opinion, Shining Force III is the best game on the Saturn. It's my favorite game of all time. In fact, I used to go by "TheGreatBulzome". (I still use it for my second channel.)

[pastel basalt]

Will have to check it out. Only really played sonic cd and snatcher on there

[pearl harbor]

Dragon Force will always be my personal favorite Saturn game.

[pastel basalt]

I think my current favorites are sega rally championship and the battle garegga port

[small gust]

Wow, Man, I don't think a UI can be more 90s looking. It looks like a winamp skin. 😄

[hearty carbon]

I really wish that Unicorn Overlord switch game would come to PC because it feels like they're in the same wheelhouse of big anime strategy games

[hardy lodge]

Overlord unicorn is great. Like ogre battle ||but good||

[pearl harbor]

Yeah, Unicorn Overlord is amazing. It's actually tied for my game of the year for 2024 along with Devil Blade Reboot.

[hardy lodge]

It's the only game I bought this year so far, so it's my number 1. But some black friday offers are really tempting, ngl.

[hearty carbon]

Ahhh. It's on sale.

[sudden tusk]

Oh yeah I thought your friend left it in your care ? Now you own it! Either way you don’t deserve it!

[burnt matrix]

Yeah he left it in my care along with his Saturn collection lol

So you’re right it’s not mine

[dusk nova]

Double checking since I've seen mixed information. Do light guns work with the Saturn core yet? I have a guncon2 and haven't been able to get it to work so far with Saturn.

It looks like people have tricked it sometimes with a SNAC adapter somehow but I don't have a SNAC adapter for Saturn.

[burnt matrix]

@thorn pagoda do you know if light guns work with SNAC?

[severe whale]

Sega Saturn turns 30 today!

Anyone who was there 30 years ago and imported a japanese system?

[celest lake]

8Bitdo has a limited edition saturn keyboard (they are making 1994 of them)

My brain worms are twitching

[dusty shale]

You got a link?

[celest lake]

https://shop.8bitdo.com/pages/saturn-30th-anniversary

You'll notice that, in their list of controller offerings, the 3D control pad is not mentioned

[rich violet]

Thanks! I just ordered one 😄

[visual grove]

I think Sentient said she imported one. I bought my NA one on release day

[thorn pagoda]

it works on snac or minisnac but not snax or snax64 unless you have the very latest versions of those

if you have snax or snax64 you can swap a resistor to fix it

https://misteraddons.com/blogs/news/saturn-stunner

we need someone like nolbin to come along and give us generalized support for lightguns so other stuff like guncon2, sinden, wiimote etc can all work

[burnt matrix]

@dusk nova ^^^ there’s your answer

[dusk nova]

Thank you!

Ah dang - I got my snax64 two weeks before this change ha

[twin canyon]

still lurking around here... shillin'

what are you even playing on saturn? nights into dreams?

[burnt matrix]

Doki Doki Daiquiri Detective

[twin canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/reading-monkey-report-homework-lol-gif-18680226

[green jacinth]

This is good but when it comes to saturn rpgs I'll always be a fat baby enjoyer

[drifting frigate]

Same with me and Taco Bell.
Gordita or death.

*and

[sudden tusk]

Bro ima fight you

[green jacinth]

to get to me you must defeat 3 very fat babies first. and they're magic.

[sudden tusk]

I ain’t fighting no fat babies !

Also yo momma was a fat baby!

And so are you!

[green jacinth]

im calling my mom

i need to get to the bottom of this

find out if its true

[swift yarrow]

A 30 year old secret is.... still secret. This is pretty cool tho: https://www.polygon.com/gaming/484111/fighters-megamix-hidden-stage-sega-saturn

[wise brook]

sometimes i forget that i hate polygon

[swift yarrow]

er I missed that shade in the article, woof

I had just finished a very satisfying car v car match with a friend, and while driving from his home, he sent me that link

serendipitous

[celest lake]

were you surprised at the game’s competency?

[swift yarrow]

lol

[celest lake]

what a weird fucking sentence

[swift yarrow]

I would not call the Sonic The Fighters characters "competent" in that game, for sure

[wise brook]

breaking news the masters of quad based fighting games made another banger, journos worldwide shocked at this revelation

[celest lake]

I can’t believe the virtua fighter guys pulled this off!

[swift yarrow]

but I do hope that secret stage code comes out soon

don't make us wait another 30 years

[celest lake]

I am excited for VF5 on steam. I wonder if they drop that and the VF6 teaser at The Keighleys

[wise brook]

only if they’re copying the atari jaguar guide to marketing a product launch

[celest lake]

Are you saying the cybermorph head is a playable character? Or will it just sit in the background asking you where you learned to play fighting games

“that block was surprisingly competent coming from you”

[wise brook]

no, i mean the atari management started promoting the next Atari console as the Jaguar was launching

leading to interviews where the press would ask “why should we buy this if you’re already hyping up the next thing?”

[median tartan]

cries in 32X

[wise brook]

technically Sega of America didn’t promote the saturn ‘cause they completely misjudged the market

[sudden tusk]

https://youtu.be/HfOn2LuIk2A?si=WKNPW-12Y-WWeDKc

Informative

[median tartan]

They were not told about the Saturn. You can't develop for a console Japan does not tell you about.

[median tartan]

Time for me to start SNACing, I guess. Do the SNAC adaptors work as regular USB adaptors for PC / Pi / etc as well or do they only work on Mister with SNAC enabled?

[warped saddle]

they are not usb, so mister only

[median tartan]

I'm not losing any sleep over lag. I think I'm just going to try and get some regular USB adapters then. Thanks.

[polar mountain]

Once you go snac, you never go back

Jack

[median tartan]

If you only have HDMI
There is really no reason to buy

[gusty quest]

Saturn SNAC adaptors are not sold by many so far sadly

Oddly looking at the PCBs and parts needed they are very cheap to make too

[gloomy hedge]

You could get a reflex adapt and use it on mister and pc tho

That's the "snac" I went with

https://misteraddons.com/products/reflex-adapt

[gusty quest]

Haven't looked to see if there is a Daemonbite for Saturn

Yeah there is that would be a cheap low latency option to make only a few $

https://github.com/MickGyver/DaemonBite-Retro-Controllers-USB/tree/master/SaturnControllerUSB

No 3D controller support though

[errant crown]

Pretty sure you only get analog triggers on the 3D Pad through SNAC, right?

[median tartan]

saturn connections sold out

[gloomy hedge]

they come back in stock

you could ask porkchop if you're impatient but im sure they'll be back

[wise brook]

the hidden stage in Fighters Megamix was found

one of the greats of the Saturn scene, Bo, found it a day after the games creators mentioned it hadn’t been discovered

[pine bobcat]

Wonder if it can be patched to remove the crashes

[hearty carbon]

what was it?

[wise brook]

https://32bits.substack.com/p/bonus-fighters-megamix

full deets inside

[hearty carbon]

Gracias.

[ripe valley]

I'm feeling better, let's get back to the test phase and I need to read the backlog of the week.

[drowsy hull]

wonderful, and make sure the shackles are tight this time

[tall radish]

really enjoying the saturn core so far, but what's up with interlaced video? over analog output, it seems to be progressive scan no matter what

[rich violet]

Are you on an unstable core?

[tall radish]

yes, the latest nightly build

[rich violet]

I don't think it was implemented in the last stable core

[tall radish]

ah, i see

[upper dust]

#1046941029296779344 message

Try this one from the 19th

[dusty shale]

There's one on Ultimate MiSTer.

[gusty quest]

Yeah but I prefer to make them being so cheap

[radiant karma]

Just watched pandamonium review of high velocity (USA) and wanted to have a look at the game. I cannot get past the intro after the atlus logo, just a black screen afterwards. Using the latest dual sdram build. Wanted to confirm if anyone had the same issue.

[mortal mist]

Works fine here

[ripe valley]

Works fine too.

[gloomy hedge]

I just realized I alreadyh ave 8bitdo modded saturn controllers

so if I get that 8bitdo saturn brick I'l basically have wireless saturn controllers

that is based

At this point might as well grab em

curious how "lag free" they are

[frail token]

8bitdo makes a bluetooth board for saturn controllers? Interesting

[sterile roost]

Their L and R triggers are awful

Need to be swapped out

[radiant karma]

Thanks, maybe just a bad bin/cue issue.

[gloomy hedge]

personally I dont think they're awful but they're not the "mouse click" originals thats for sure

they're "fine" for me

[gloomy hedge]

yeah I bought it primarily for switch gaming

but I mean obviously if you have a saturn controller and a saturn

why not just connect it to your saturn

but since I already have these lying around for switch, couldnt hurt to also be able to use them with my saturn 😛

[frail token]

I hate the mouse click

[gloomy hedge]

then you're in luck lol

I mean none of the triggers are as good as the M30 in my opinion

but yeah I think the 8bitdo mod kit is great, easy swap, nothing hard even for a complete newbie and then you get a nice saturn pad for use on pc and switch

[broken wave]

Is there two different versions of the core for single and dual ram?

[stiff patrol]

yes

[broken wave]

How can I find the dual ram version?

[mortal mist]

#unstable-nightlies message

[broken wave]

Ty!

[inner kayak]

I LOVE this one!

put that on a pink or purple kids size shirt and my kiddo will wear it

[frail token]

https://www.redbubble.com/people/diniertodesigns/shop

😎

[inner kayak]

No purple heather possible? Also, does the Saturn logo for the S in MiSTer? Not work?

[frail token]

I can check but whatever colors are available are probably what there are

I suppose I could put the S there but then it wouldn't look like the Saturn logo 😊

[celest lake]

Oh fine, I guess I will buy a couple of things…………

[hearty carbon]

I should buy something since I stole the DOOM style MISTER logo for my leverless icon.

😄

[celest lake]

I know it’s just standard printshop shit but I thought long and hard about the TG16 pillow

now if it was a body pillow……

[errant crown]

https://preview.redd.it/jk5yqby7spg71.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=f0d856680035e93ab48a6664dd46044525fc950b

You should put her in the logo

[frail token]

Ooh yeah

[pastel basalt]

The speed up option is cool; given the size of the library it’s probably infeasible, but what about setting a default speed up option per game using a database file similar to what the n64 does?

Probably too many games to test

[tall radish]

im just wondering if dual ram will be necessary once the core is all finished and buttoned up. im a single ram user, but even with fast timings, i still get some slowdowns here and there in fighters megamix

[radiant karma]

Everything points that single ram won't improve over dual ram in the Saturn core.

[tawny forge]

Grandia seems to need dual ram too

[celest lake]

Srg has said that there isn’t a way to put all the optimizations into the single ram build

Srg then released a build with a bunch of the optimizations in the single ram build

So we have no idea what the outcome will be

Right now, dual ram still has an advantage

[burnt matrix]

Just wait

[tall radish]

well, i have faith that the completed core will run without issues on single ram. i could upgrade to dual ram, but i'd really prefer not to use direct video if i can help it

[burnt matrix]

Core isn’t done, multiple times we were told it’s not possible only for smart solutions to fix it,

I wouldn’t worry about it tbh.

[burnt matrix]

It’s not worth the effort to do something like that. On the N64 core it was required because of each cart’s unique save memory that’s part of the carts.

You can achieve that now using MGL files if you wish.

    <rbf>_Console/Saturn</rbf>
    <setname same_dir="1">Saturn_Turbo</setname>
</mistergamedescription> ```

It’ll allow you to set a separate cfg file where you can have Turbo enabled by default.

    <rbf>_Console/Saturn</rbf>
    <setname same_dir="1">Saturn_Turbo</setname>
    <file delay="1" type="s" index="1" path="/media/fat/games/Saturn/dummy.chd"/>
</mistergamedescription> ```

If you use MGL files to launch games from the main menu

[small gust]

Is that just a toogle for the increased ram timings? Or dooes that overclock the cpus?

[burnt matrix]

No, MGL files are like shortcuts but you can define more options.

In the shortcut example I gave you, it said “use this core but give it a unique name, and use the same file paths”

So with a Saturn core with a different name, you can save its own config separate from the actual Saturn core.

[small gust]

I should have specified, I meant the "saturn_turbo" syntax. There isn't a overclock options right?, except fpr the ram.

[burnt matrix]

There is zero syntax outside of <>

That’s just a name

[small gust]

Ah okay

[burnt matrix]

More info here - https://mister-devel.github.io/MkDocs_MiSTer/advanced/mgl/

For example I use MGL files to launch games from the main menu instead of manually loading a game once I start a core.

I also use them to set unique configs, such as playing a light gun game for example. It auto boots the core with game loaded and with the controller option set to light guns.

[small gust]

I have used mgl files to make shortcuts to specific games in the past.

[burnt matrix]

Nice

[small gust]

But I didn't now they could also hold specific configs for games

[celest lake]

Not for games, it’s for the whole core. This will allow you to have a Saturn normal and Saturn turbo

[burnt matrix]

Yup

[thorn pagoda]

oh neat idea

maybe i should get into MGLs

[burnt matrix]

Neat idea or ultimate laziness?

lol

[celest lake]

Mgls are pretty powerful

[burnt matrix]

I didn’t want to change the controller option every time, I am lazy lol

[thorn pagoda]

anything that gets you playing a game faster is worth some upfront effort i find. i put a lot of work specifically into reducing the amount of setup needed to play

[burnt matrix]

Yeah, I use them to also set the Wonder Swan rotated in the right direction with a controller config that makes sense for vertical games

[small gust]

But what "turbo" is referring to is just the parameter for the fast ram timings, you can not increase clock speed of other units right?

[celest lake]

Totally. Fucking @visual grove shared their arcade cab tapto setup and my brain worms have been vibrating all day

[burnt matrix]

It’s just a name I gave it, you can call it whatever you want

[celest lake]

It lets you have two different configs for the core

[burnt matrix]

    <rbf>_Console/Saturn</rbf>
    <setname same_dir="1">I_am_a_dirty_boy</setname>
</mistergamedescription> ```

name it that

[celest lake]

YOU KIDS WANNA PLAY SONIC THE FIGHTERS?

[tall radish]

i wish that game came to saturn

[small gust]

Yeah I know, I just wanted to know if there was settings to overclock the systems that I didn't know about (except the recently option for the ram)

[celest lake]

They came to fighters megamix, I thought

[small gust]

But it was just wishful thinking of course 🙂

[tall radish]

a couple of the characters did, yeah

but a full port of stf would've been cool

[small gust]

What system is sonic fighters, model 1?

[tall radish]

it was model 2

[celest lake]

Model 2, but it didn’t come home until Xbox live arcade iirc

[tall radish]

model 2B specifically i think

[visual grove]

To really get them wriggling, here’s how I switch from 2P single cab to up to 4P dual cab

[burnt matrix]

There’s a 2x CPU PSX core

And a 80Mhz N64 core

[small gust]

I remember looking at pictures of it in magazines back in the day, but I don't never stumble upon the game in the the arcade.

[tall radish]

i thought the turbo psx core was depreciated?

[burnt matrix]

But unless the core developer gives you the option you can’t over clock anything

[visual grove]

Tapto on either cab, tapto a 4P game on left cab, two button macro to 4P wriggle wriggle

[burnt matrix]

It’s not, it’s just not officially supported

[tall radish]

ah

[burnt matrix]

So no one reports bugs with it

[small gust]

I know, I hope someday there is overlooked saturn build.

[burnt matrix]

That turbo option in the single ram build is that

I think anyways, I haven’t used it

[pastel basalt]

Oh that’s sick!

Yeah I figured it wouldn’t be efficient

I’ve never messed with mgls though

[small gust]

But it's just the ram and not the cpu.

This weekend I tested the psx version of grandia, and there is definitely a difference between the standard core and the 2x core in terms of framerate.

However, the saturn version is the better looking version, and the one I want to play. Especially since I got my second ram last week.

[visual grove]

MGL = Mr. Garcia-Lago

[burnt matrix]

Oh ok it’s just the ram

Thanks for clarifying

[burnt matrix]

PS1 version superior

[visual grove]

They work by messaging Robby and he launches the game for you

[burnt matrix]

[small gust]

Well in the past it was the psx version I played, cause it was the one I owned. But once someone showed me the difference between the saturn and psx version, I knew saturn version was the right version to play.

[burnt matrix]

I’m kidding, it’s just my low hanging fruit troll on Saturn fans lol

Maybe there’s a software emulator that lets you overlock the CPU?

[celest lake]

You’re a real piece of work.

[burnt matrix]

AI generated

[visual grove]

True Awesome Intelligence is how I do everything

[burnt matrix]

[small gust]

Possibly, but I have had bad luck with grandia and saturn software emulators in the past. Besides I have never really liked software emulators that much either.
More of a real hardware kind of guy, so technically I should be fine with it if the game runs as it does on my japanese saturn.

But... With that said, I would not complain of the game ran at a locked 30.

And I actually do like the n64_80hz or psx2xcpu, but I know for some, those builds are blashphemy. 😉

[hardy lodge]

Grandia on saturn is the reason I upgraded to dualram. Hopefully I will find the time to play it over the Christmas holydays.

[small gust]

Same for me. I do play alot of fighting games though with friends from time to time, so those games having increased performance is a bonus.

[hardy lodge]

Friends shouldn't fight though

[tall radish]

i would love to get dual ram if it didn't mean having to use direct video

i've not used DV yet but i fear it won't be as compatible as straight video from the analogue board

[hardy lodge]

Yeah if I hadn't already been on a digital io board and using mister with rt4k my choice wouldn't have been that easy either.

[tall radish]

i just worry that compatibility with some cores wouldn't be as good with direct video is all

[pearl harbor]

Grandia is definitely a worthy upgrade for dual ram. It was a grand idea!

[serene thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-drinking-coffee-hat-glasses-gif-25711851

Dual RAM Crew

[tall radish]

are you all with dual ram using crts or no?

[median tartan]

I am not using a crt

[hardy lodge]

A grandia idea even.

[quick sorrel]

What’s this about dual ram for Grandia? Frame rate?

[hearty marten]

Fixes some flickering textures, I think

[hardy lodge]

In the intro after the anime scene you can see the shutters behind the throne flicker like crazy with single ram. Appearently there are some who it works for though.

[small gust]

I own a PVM 20M2MDE, when I got my MiSTer a year ago I bought the digital board, because I didn't do enough research and thought the hdmi out was on the digital IO board and not the de10 nano. So when I got all parts, that's when I realized that I should have gone for the analog board instead. Shortly thereafter I got what should be a hdmi to VGA compatible DAC. But I never got around ordering the vga to SCART cable.
However when I got my second ram stick last week, there was a hdmi to SCART lightgun ready cable for direct video in the same package. But I have yet not hooked up the mister to the PVM.

[small gust]

What @hardy lodge said, unfortunately there is still alot of slowdown in grandia even with dual ram. But when comparing to footage from a real saturn, it seems like that's perfectly normal.

[hardy lodge]

I take a accurately slow saturn version over one that tries to give me a seizure any day. 😅

[ancient surge]

Never experienced that flickering personally.

Always got the impression people were using the outdated RAM modules that were known to cause problems on the core, and no one said anything.

[hardy lodge]

I'm on 2.9, saturn working well even before the ram fix for old modules. Still flickering on single ram.

Also tested my ram when all the mister pi users had issues with n64, no issues.

(I'm on a de10 myself, tested just for reference)

[ancient surge]

Also have 2.9 ram modules, no issues. That's why I'm skeptical that people were lying to send everyone into a pointless goose chase.

Because yeah SD card reading impacting literally one game made perfect sense apparently.

[thorn pagoda]

i've got the grandia flickering on 3.0 memory modules

[hardy lodge]

Sure you're not just craving attention?

[thorn pagoda]

pretty sure

it seems similar to how some people randomly couldn't play sega rally early on

[mortal mist]

I've had different results on three de10 nano, all with version 2.9.

[hardy lodge]

Did you try and swap ram between them?

[mortal mist]

yes , from what I remember 🙂

At the moment, it doesn't matter much anymore. In the dualsdram version, the problem does not exist on any

and as I checked the single version the flickering occurs even on de10 where it was not present before

I think there is no point in going into it any further

[hardy lodge]

I feel like this is like the telescope bug in majoras mask on the n64 core. It'll be fixed a year after the official core release when the dev had some time to step away for a bit.

[burnt matrix]

How prevalent is that flickering texture? Is it in just one spot?

[celest lake]

nah, not sure it’s super prevalent, but it happens in a couple of places

I think the thing that is weird (and I could be wrong about this) is that it’s a new problem. I feel like I read that older builds don’t experience the issue on single ram

but maybe I’m wrong - maybe it’s more prevalent now, but was always around

[burnt matrix]

Man you people gonna make new users think the game isn’t playable without dual ram lol

[mortal mist]

occurs in many places , such as buildings . You just have to move around the room to notice it , there have already been many videos from different locations here

[celest lake]

I think it super depends on how bad it is for you. Like @ancient surge doesn’t have it anywhere. I have it on 2 different misters. Seems like it could be very bad for some folks, and not existent at all for others

[burnt matrix]

yeah I don’t recall every seeing it

It’ll be fixed eventually

[thorn pagoda]

it also comes with the floor desyncing from the 3d geometry, which is far more distracting and on every screen whenever you move

[ancient surge]

"Ah man the textures twitched for a frame; this is literally unplayable. Oh well, I'll just play strip mahjong instead."

[burnt matrix]

Grandia runs perfectly on the ps1 core

One of you will murder me one day lol

[quick sorrel]

Ah so it’s some degree better on dual ram builds. Okay.
I though that some revelation had happened but that’s for a future build

It’s so bizarre how some people can have the same setup yet different results

[hardy lodge]

Probably me. Just not sure if I'll be first. 💀

[quick sorrel]

First? So this is the confirmation that Robby is a cat with 9 lives 🤔

[celest lake]

there was a dual ram revelation 2 weeks ago, then last week SRG found a workaround for some games

[quick sorrel]

Notably which ones?

[celest lake]

I believe the fighting games work as well as they did with dual ram (with the menu option SRG added enabled). You’d have to check that with folks who have tested though. I do know that the fighting games are better with the option

[tall radish]

is grandia affected by the timings option?

[celest lake]

no, unfortunately

[pearl harbor]

You could say that you're...Doomed.

[small gust]

This is what happend for me when I switched between the timing options in grandia, on single ram with the single ram build.
(The video start with fast timings, switch to normal, then back.)
Look for geometry desync and flickering 🙂

https://imgur.com/a/MHUZNrR

And for comparison, this is what happened when I installed a second ram, and switched the to dual build.

https://imgur.com/a/cPY1rIH

[burnt matrix]

First one has character, it’s intriguing and beguiling. Second one is too clean, too perfect, not interesting.

[hardy lodge]

I think you posted in the wrong discord. Your raspberry pi folk may appreciate emulation errors, while this is the mister discord, full of elitist perfectionists.

[warped saddle]

I suspect Robby has never actually gotten an emulator to run on a pi

[celest lake]

The emperor has no clothes

[burnt matrix]

I AM THE EMULATOR

🔫

[burnt matrix]

||Imagine I said that in a super cool judge dredd voice||

[celest lake]

||"super cool"||

https://tenor.com/Aibq.gif

[small gust]

I heard it in the beatles way..
I am the emulator, I am the walrus!

[serene thunder]

We are living in an emulation

[drowsy hull]

yes, I can see robby never having gotten post the login screen to do anything

[warped saddle]

if you want to indicate you used a judge dredd voice, use the proper judge dredd smiley face

:[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[

(the karl urban dredd variant)

[proper prism]

Yeah, I've been noticing better performance and the dual RAM builds as well.

[burnt matrix]

Just for the affected games or in general?

[prisma wraith]

like @gloomy hedge said, currently the most robust option to have both the native lowest-lag behavior on MiSTer via SNAC and also as a USB adapter on any device is the Reflex Adapt. Uses the same cables and works with so many varied controllers, even unlocking new functionality in some of them like the JogCon.

[gloomy hedge]

Can confirm, love da adapt

[prisma wraith]

Anyone have any tips for getting the stunner light gun working with the core? I tried it my first time today and had no response from it with both the old SNAC boards I have, a V2 and V3 from MiSTerAddons.

[tall radish]

wow, that's a pretty drastic change. even with dual ram it seems to slow down though, interesting

[serene thunder]

Game Arts was known for pushing the Saturn to the LIMIT

Same type of thing as Conker for N64

[polar mountain]

https://misteraddons.com/blogs/news/saturn-stunner

[quick sorrel]

How far into the game is that?

[drifting crown]

Pretty early doors. Approx 20 minutes if you know what you’re doing.

[pearl harbor]

I tested that room on my MiSTer in both single ram and dual ram cores, and didn't encounter the flickering on the single ram build. It's one of those really inconsistent issues.

No issues on the dual ram build as well of course.

[celest lake]

This is where I was able to reproduce it on any mister I had #1046941029296779344 message

[small gust]

Right at the beginning. A house in the first city.

[prisma wraith]

I'm using the original SNAC boards, not SNAX or SNAX64

[quick sorrel]

Gotta check if there are voice settings for Grandia, both the EN and JP voices are annoying :/

[polar mountain]

Start button work?

[polar mountain]

This is the one I have working
https://ultimatemister.com/product/snac-saturn/

[wise brook]

ultimate

[polar mountain]

I had the penultimate version before I got this one.

[gusty quest]

Picked up one of these from Etsy which works fine

The BOM to make them including PCB is around £1

[prisma wraith]

no. nothing responds on it. tried turning both controllers from digital to off along with snac turned on in the input menu and still nothing

[burnt matrix]

Has anyone tried Shrimp Bisque Romance Panic (Japan) (Disc 21 (2M) on the core yet?

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/lottery-money-gif-26253893

[ripe valley]

Great find for the vsync option problem on your side @mortal mist
Didn't thought about at at all (and as I'm only using vsync = 0 on mine).

[mortal mist]

I preferred to reinstall everything on a different card , the problem turned out to be vsync , it was the first thing I changed

"the darkest place is under the candle"

🙂

[ripe valley]

So far, I've not found any other regressions.
I'm waiting for a Mister PI in the next weeks, that should help also for some specific issues research.

I will continue my tests later this week, as I'm pretty busy IRL since yesterday.

[polar mountain]

There was a compatibility issue with sega peripherals and older versions of the io board, before analog io 6.1 and digital io 1.2.

Are you old school enough to have one of those boards?

[ancient surge]

Oh yeah I loved that game! The tragic death of Gumbo George in the motorcycle accident brought me to tears.

[soft goblet]

SPOILERS

[burnt matrix]

It's over 20 years old! Poor Gumbo.

[prisma wraith]

nope using a 6.1 board

thanks for helping troubleshoot this btw! Really looking forward to using the stunner on the core once this gets worked out. Confirmed it works fine on my japanese sega saturn

[ripe valley]

I've maybe found a small VDP issue on Simulation Zoo, but it will need some OG HW check later.

Some menus overlapping between each other, I've opened a ticket on the log just to leave a trace there.

I've updated the compatibility list with my recent (new) tests and added some games as Playable now with the changes done by srg320 on core version 2024-11-16.

We're now at 52% tested and everything is classified as Playable (at least), some titles require some SNAC and external peripherals that I don't have, like the MIDI interface and a compatible Roland synth keyboard.

[burnt matrix]

Everything is playable until proven otherwise! 🥳

[ripe valley]

Taromaru could be considered as completely fixed now with the SCU changes on 2024-11-16., with a second check from a close friend with a Single RAM board.

I'm checking that game in particular because it's so much expensive (not like Delisoba, but quite).

Something like $1800-1900 used on the current second-hand market, even in Japan.

[ancient surge]

Shinrei Jusatsushi Taroumaru was a victim of atrocious timing, as it was released shortly after Time Warner Interactive was bought out and dissolved. That's why physical copies are so desirable.

[celest lake]

I just find it amusing that the buy button is "buy-eeeee"

[ripe valley]

Buyee is the company name of a proxy for international shipping.

I have a better service that is called "best friend living in Japan now and keeping all my stuff for 6 months until next diplomatic pouch". 😏

[celest lake]

that is a good service

[ripe valley]

That won't work for arcade systems though.

[celest lake]

not with that attitude

[ripe valley]

😂

An ASTRO CITY system won't quite fit.

[ancient surge]

I think the most expensive SEGA Saturn game is technically a 3D house tour software from a real-estate business?

[ripe valley]

Yes.

Delisoba in second, as it was a prize from a JP TV show.

Okay, srg320 replied and was faster than me.

Original game bug on the Saturn version for Simulation Zoo.

So, I've not found any new bug on the last 50 games tested, reassuring news.

[hardy lodge]

So saturn is getting pretty close to perfect, huh?

[celest lake]

seems close

No saturnday build this week. Wonder if SRG is working on another bomb like the dual ram optimization

[ripe valley]

He seems quite reactive today.

[hardy lodge]

He'll fix grandia now that we've all upgraded to dualram, obviously.

[ripe valley]

The interlace mode bug is intriguing.

On Dead or Alive.

[kind quarry]

not the right place for it, but since it was brought up: is there a specific dealer i should look towards for an Astro City machine?

[olive fern]

The forbidden pizza

And I just realized the date

Thanks discord

[serene thunder]

Just think of Dual RAM as getting a headstart on your next MiSTer build

[polar mountain]

Just to clarify, you are using v2 and v3 snac? Are you certain they aren't the problem boards?

[hearty marten]

Just downloaded a new Saturn tonight. The timing adjustment hack makes a massive difference for the fighting games!

[visual grove]

Did interlaced analog output get fixed?

[celest lake]

Not that I know of

Although there were some test releases from @willow pawn on the 19th?

Pretty sure you saw those tho

[visual grove]

Yeah I said I would try it and then didn’t 😅. TBF I think someone already said it was still broken

[willow pawn]

Yeah I dunno what was wrong with them haha

[analog totem]

anyone here using a 2.4g M30 (specifically, the DE9 version meant to be used with original Genesis/Mega Drive consoles) + Daemonbite with this core? Trying to figure out if there’s any way to get it so that L and R are recognized as their own buttons and not just duplicates of C and Z 🤔

I followed directions for switching modes to x-input/d-input, jut the instructions were meant for the USB version and the controller gives no feedback to indicate modes are being switched (if they even are)

[cunning citrus]

The modes are meant for the bluetooth M30 version of the controller, that have the 4 green leds on its bottom. R and L will Always be C and Z with the 2.4g M30 when using with the receiver. Use over USB to have independent buttons.

[prisma wraith]

yeah its not snax or snax64. original snac boards

[analog totem]

ok cool so that answers my question…there just isn’t a way to make those buttons not be duplicated using Daemonbite, thanks for clearing that up for me 🙏

[gloomy hedge]

So I did some "rough" testing and it is around 1 frame input lag using this with the mod kit or m30

Which isn't too bad

[drifting crown]

Any issues mapping the m30?

[gloomy hedge]

nope

literally worked first try all buttons as they should be

its what I used for my ghetto ass input lag testing

vs:

"roughly 1 frame" lmao

[proper prism]

In general, I've been noticing better performance on the dual RAM builds.

[proper prism]

I've been using this
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CL93KJ6P

[gloomy hedge]

whatever works for you

on my mister I have a retrobit wired daily driver atm

[proper prism]

I don't like the analog sticks. It's good controller, aside from that.

[gloomy hedge]

why did you buy the one with the sticks tho

[proper prism]

I bought it from Amazon

[pearl harbor]

To stick it to the man of course!

[gloomy hedge]

and...

[gloomy hedge]

good answer, you should be hotdog's legal counsel

[pearl harbor]

I actually found that controller works pretty well on the Jaguar core. Mapping the number buttons to the two analog sticks.

[proper prism]

You asked where I bought it from. 🤣

[gloomy hedge]

when

[gloomy hedge]

8bitdo going after that jaguar crown

[proper prism]

Right here.
#1046941029296779344 message

[gloomy hedge]

are you confusing the word "why" with "where"

[proper prism]

Oh. I must have read it wrong

[gloomy hedge]

lol no worries

seriously wrong topic for this forum but why in fuck sake does the jaguar have a telephone pad on it

[pearl harbor]

More buttons = More powah!!!

Do the math!

[gloomy hedge]

you reminded me of this :

[pearl harbor]

I was a weenie back then.

[gloomy hedge]

we all were weenies

but @proper prism was a real hot dog

[proper prism]

To answer your original question: I bought the one with the analog to play PC games, but most games don't even recognize the analog sticks. When I did actually find a couple games that recognize them, the analog were extremely awkward to use. Some of the worst analog sticks.

[gloomy hedge]

yeah thats a shame, honestly as soon as it was announced I thought the sticks looked like really bad, like bad joycons

and I really really dont like joycons

but yeah for general gaming I highly recommend the 8bitdo ultimate

https://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Wireless-Controller-Joystick-Gaming-Console/dp/B00TY8UR2K/ref=asc_df_B00TY8UR2K?mcid=6e31f16e26cb38408011b4c0e41ab925&tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=693459401938&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=11633392644949432768&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9057531&hvtargid=pla-2277343092689&psc=1

very nice pad with great hall effect sticks

however

dpad is ass

because its not a saturn dpad

I have spoken.

[proper prism]

I did end up getting one of these for PC stuffs.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CSPGMGBT

[hearty marten]

Look at all of those simultaneous colours!

[hearty marten]

Effects with four dimensional realism?!

Move over VirtualBoy!

[gloomy hedge]

become a VirtualMan

[hearty marten]

That’s just modern VR with severe colourblindness and a neck brace

[pearl harbor]

Hey, this is a Sega thread. Only VirtuaMen allowed in here.

[hearty marten]

The Saturn is such cool hardware. I wonder if things during that generation of the console war had turned out differently if any of the big PS1 titles had instead been Saturn exclusives

Like if FFVII had been on the Saturn, or Crash

(Or if Sonic X-treme had both come out and been good)

[gloomy hedge]

yeah and no VirtuaCOPS

except Janet

Janet is cool

She's in Fighters Megamix

Be nice to Janet

[serene thunder]

I dug up one of the Genesis 6-button style controllers from them
Very comfortable

My way of testing lag is, "Can I still play GnG and SFA3 the same?"

[gusty quest]

I picked up one of those and sent it back, didn't like it at all. They didn't even make a decent Dpad sadly

[median tartan]

It's of historical note that most people were. No one was playing Neo-Geo, PC Engine, Jaguar, etc. back in the day because it was prohibitively expensive. Sega and Nintendo were cheaper and had the games most of your friends were familiar with. 2600 dominated Gen 2. NES was on top for 3. Sega and Nintendo shared 4. Ever since it's been all Nintendo, Sony, and once 6th gen came out we got MS. The absolute best part about Mister and emulation is being able to play things we never had access to. Luckily for Neo-Geo fans, the arcade games are the same as the console and the arcade scene has always had the MAME hype. Their ROMS are the standard even if people developed their own emulators around specific machine types.

[gusty quest]

even that changes with regions, the NES was not that popular in the UK at the time, we were all playing on computers
It wasnt until the days of MD and SNES that consoles became more popular and even then due to the way they were released we were always a couple of years behind. The console import business was big in the UK

[median tartan]

yeah. what I listed were just the overall worldwide winners. Japan's numbers are especially deviant from the norms.

[rich violet]

The Master System did better in UK, Europe, and Brazil, I think

[hearty marten]

I feel like in gen 3, the master system was definitely quite popular in the UK - not sure how it compared with the NES, but it definitely wasn’t as much of a slam dunk for Nintendo as it was in e.g. the US. Computers were definitely quite popular back then too. Back then, we used to call them “computer games” rather than “video games” too 🙂

Ah, @rich violet beat me to it 😄

[dusty shale]

It seems like a long-forgotten fact that Sega established itself in the UK far better than Nintendo did at first.

The NES outsold the Master System in the UK during only one period - anyone know what it was?

[hearty marten]

I’m still surprised that the master system isn’t more popular online - given how many people I knew had one back in the day 😄 (but I guess that’s the “worldwide” effect)

[median tartan]

Nintendo pretty much owned Japan and America. MAster system did nothing in either of them.

[dusty shale]

That goes to show how overwhelmingly US-centric the English internet is.

[hearty marten]

Yep - added that with my edit. Definitely the case

[dusty shale]

Learning about the histories of games in countries that aren't the US is really interesting to me.

It feels like the US is treated as the 'default' in this regard.

[median tartan]

Well, it goes to show what happened in the UK is not what happened in the rest of the world. Especially Brazil is a massive outlier for Sega. I think that country loves Sega more than anyone else.

[dusty shale]

I wish we got to hear about Sega in Brazil more often.

They had an official Mega Drive reissue with a micro SD card slot a few years ago.

[hearty marten]

I wonder how the failed consoles/addons, e.g. Mega CD, 32x, Saturn did (as a percentage of the market, not total numbers) in the UK

I was definitely a Sega kid, which was loyalty built from the master system 😅

[median tartan]

32X. Brazil is the ounly place where the 32X got a massive lifespan. even to the point that of the 6 games that are compatible with the combined CD / 32X power, 2 come from Brazil

[hearty marten]

A massive lifespan and only a handful of games. Poor guys 😄

That’s loyalty!

[median tartan]

Check out the comments section from any content about SF2 Rainbow Edition and you'll hear about how they call it the bus station edition because it was so pervasive in terminals.

[dusty shale]

I never knew that. That's the kind of thing I love learning about.

I assumed the 32X was a worldwide flop.

[median tartan]

Overall, yes. Not in Brazil.

That's why the neptune FPGA is coming from there

[rich violet]

The group making the Neptune FPGA is also making the Sword of the Apocalypse game, that looks gorgeous 😍

[ripe valley]

Nice one.

That goes immediately to srg320.

Slam 'N Jam 96 (Japan)

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/perfetto-yes-gif-26163077

[gusty quest]

The one console I wish had a better launch outside of Japan was the PC Engine it could have been quite disruptive at the time

[dusty shale]

It saddens me that the PCE didn't even survive its test launch in England.

[gusty quest]

NEC didnt bother with any other region launches after the US failure. All we got was third party releases using the over stock NEC created converting units from NTSC to PAL for the official launch

[dusty shale]

I've read the PCE had a mildly popular import scene in France.

[gusty quest]

Import machines were popular ish in the UK. I even remember seeing the GT handheld in local shops

[dusty shale]

Oh, you saw the GT in person?

(I was born after the PCE was discontinued)

[gusty quest]

The import scene was popular in the UK due to the delayed hardware releases in different regions, the RRP in the likes of the US and how strong the £ Vs $ was at the time

For the likes of the MD and SNES the UK were paying around X3 the price compared to the US for the official release

$99 Vs £149 and it was close to $2 to the £

[dusty shale]

That all makes sense.

[gusty quest]

Neo Geo import pricing was still ludicrous though haha i can remember seeing prices like £150 for used game

[visual grove]

Look, you could’ve invented your own internet but since you didn’t Mastersystem sucks forever

🇺🇸 🦃 🎆

[dusty shale]

Tim Berners-Lee is British.

[gusty quest]

The MS was bigger than the NES but even then it wasnt massive. The UK was dominated by the 8 and 16bit computers up until the early 90s

[visual grove]

Yeah you guys were in a crazy alternate timeline with the micros

I had one friend with a C64

One friend with a master system

Everyone else was NES and PCs or no computer at all in that era

[gusty quest]

C64 was the biggest selling single computer until the Raspberry Pi arrived

Commodore dominated in the UK and EU with the C64 and Amiga

and Australia sorry

I am still amazed what gets produced on the C64

[proper prism]

Thankfully, I didn't have an issue with my d-pad. But, the analog sticks were some of the worst I've ever used.

[hearty marten]

There was also the ZX Spectrum and Amstrad CPC which were popular too

Not to mention things like the BBC Micro and Acorn computers

But that stuff was kind of before my time, although I did use a few of them as a kid in the early 90s

[gusty quest]

Yeah Speccy and less so the CPC was popular in the UK but they didnt sell the numbers the C64 did

BBC micro was only owned by rich kids

The C64 was on the market from 1982 until Commodore collapsed in 1994

And oddly the C64 was still selling well into the early 1990s

[hearty marten]

I defer to your clearly superior knowledge in this space 😄

BBC micro gets mentioned a lot today because rich kids went on to get good jobs in e.g. media - so you hear a lot about it. Maybe outsized impact for the number of sales 😉

[floral saddle]

Don't forget that the bbc micro was used in a lot of schools back in the day, that's how im familliar with it.

[hearty marten]

Yeah, that’s also true

[gloomy hedge]

This isn't even all of them 😭😭

Got a couple in the back 😂

[dusty shale]

Where'd you get those controller stands?

[drowsy hull]

Mere empty shells of themselves...

[gusty quest]

That was where its made its name being linked to the BBC and schools I only knew one person with one back in the day, Everyone else has C64s, Speccys and CPCs

[gloomy hedge]

https://www.etsy.com/listing/791606638/retro-bit-sega-saturn-lettering

good 3D prints, I got a bunch of stands from them

there is one stand I got that the 3d print wasnt amazing, but the saturn ones look great

[dusty shale]

etsy moment

[gloomy hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/brexit-eu-uk-nomore-unitedkingdom-gif-5613518

jk

but yeah oof

thats odd for something so easily shipped

sorry to hear it

[dusty shale]

A lot of seemingly easily shipped items on Etsy just won't ship over here. No idea why.

[gloomy hedge]

shipping cost must just be too high

or some kind of export tax

somethin like that, politics, etc.

will of the queen

[drowsy hull]

And to a certain extent shipping 3d printed things feels like a waste of resources

[dusty shale]

Probably.

[gloomy hedge]

True it would be easier to have a local printer do the deed

Assuming plastics are already available

[dusty shale]

That's true. I could just print it myself.

I'd happily buy the 3D model files.

[gusty quest]

I could run you off some stands if you like ? I am UK based
Sadly I don't do multicoloured

If you have a printer there are loads on the various STL sites

https://www.printables.com/search/models?ctx=models&q=sega+controller+stand

[gloomy hedge]

thats pretty! I like it!

[dusty shale]

I'm tempted to design my own. One with the JP Saturn logo.

[gloomy hedge]

DO IT

and then you can start your own etsy

call it "WE SHIP TO THE UK AND SHIT.com"

[dusty shale]

I modelled and printed this mask of Q from Street Fighter III for a friend's Halloween costume.

[gloomy hedge]

SATURN UK ADDONS

[dusty shale]

LMAO

not sure how a big a market there is for that, but it's an idea

[drowsy hull]

Could habe taken a michael myers mask, carve the slots and glue on the bolts

[gloomy hedge]

well hopefully not big since I dont think you want your printer printing these all fuckin day

[dusty shale]

I dread the thought of having an entire room being full of printers.

[gusty quest]

I only have one but its enough to do what i need

its also far faster than the efforts i started with from Creality

[gloomy hedge]

exactly

[dusty shale]

I've got one Elegoo Neptune 4 Plus.

[gloomy hedge]

hope there's like 5 people maybe you make some money, buy a few more m30s

boom bang bing

[gusty quest]

I picked up a Bambu P1P a couple of years ago

[dusty shale]

I've heard that Bambu printers are really good.

I'm just a hobbyist, so the Elegoo is good enough for me.

[drowsy hull]

They reduce tinkering at the cost of money and open sourceness

Then again the laeger bedslinger should cost 400? ish at the moment which is similar to other manufacturers

[celest lake]

Oh man, which one is that. I have the same stand but without the logo....and I kind of want the logo

[burnt matrix]

I really like those. I need to get a bunch of 8BitDo ones and harass a 3D printer dude and pay them make it lol

[burnt matrix]

Dude that’s so badass

[gusty quest]

I will try and find it for you

[dusty shale]

Thank you!

[gusty quest]

Here you go : https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3879503

[celest lake]

You are a hero

[gusty quest]

I just wanted a printer that was reliable and fast. It hasnt let me down since having it, i just click and walk away
The pricing has come down and the A1 Mini has to be the best starter printer available

I never wanted the printer to be the hobby and the two Creality ones i had a Ender 3 and CR6 drove me nuts

[drowsy hull]

I totally understand that.
My journey started with a MP select Mini back in 2015, prusa mini, anycubic vyper until I bought my P1P earlier this year.
And tbh I now just print instead of just thinking about it and then not doing it due to various reasons like time, tinkering or something else.

[gusty quest]

I had a Prusa Mini a few years ago and sent it back in the end as it had so many issues out of the box

[drowsy hull]

Still thinking about converting it into a plotter abomination, but it might just join the MP and Anycubic at the junkyard

[gusty quest]

I still havent invested in a AMS for it yet. Originally i didnt have the room to leave it setup 24/7

[drowsy hull]

I want it, but also space problems.
And I dislike the waste it generates for something an acrylic marker can handle

[gusty quest]

yeah waste is a issue

[gloomy hedge]

My 3D printer is my wallet

It prints anything you want

Except people

It can't print people

That's illegal

[inner kayak]

Verified as an issue?

[ripe valley]

Was immediately seen and compared with the original HW by srg320.

Original game bug, I classified the ticket just after that.

I've remembered the PS1 version which has not that problem.

[inner kayak]

Awesome work!

[ripe valley]

Some current tests of Saturn SW emulators with the SCSP test.
#software-emulation message

[pearl harbor]

I could have sworn that Robby was 3D printed.

[drowsy hull]

Nah, he is just edgy by nature

[pearl harbor]

Explains why his insults cut so deep!

[gloomy hedge]

Explains why there's two of them!

[hearty carbon]

what is a cell but a 3d printer

[pearl harbor]

That's deep.

[soft goblet]

You're thinking about butts, not cells.

[hearty carbon]

Always thinking about butts, honestly.

ABC
||Always Be Considering butts||

[olive fern]

how do you like the m30 2.4?

i have one of those on the way

[gloomy hedge]

Both m30s are excellent. Best Saturn pad out there by far

[olive fern]

as i want to specifically use it with genesis/saturn

nice

[gloomy hedge]

I use them wired unless we're talking about Nintendo switch. They're very responsive. Top class. the 2.4 has the edge on responsiveness but it's so close it doesn't matter

[dusty shale]

Seconded. I own both the 2.4GHz and Bluetooth version.

[olive fern]

i thought about the bluetooth version but since everyone seemingly praised the 2.4 version i grabbed that instead

lol

might grab a second one in black

[dusty shale]

My 2.4 is black, my BT is Saturn white.

[gloomy hedge]

2.4 I think is the better one but I play switch in bed a lot with the BT

It's pretty much irrelevant in that context. Excellent pad.

[dusty shale]

I've never noticed a massive difference, but don't quote me on that.

[gloomy hedge]

It's only like less interference, 2.4 makes a nicer connection

[olive fern]

i feel like one of the few that dont own a switch lol

[dusty shale]

The M30 was my first 8BitDo purchase, and I've been a staunch supporter ever since. They rarely miss.

[gloomy hedge]

I've had a good amount of their gear over time

[olive fern]

i hear people also like the m30 for arcade?

granted im debating getting either the 8bitdo or mayflash arcade sticks....

[gloomy hedge]

I mean look, it's the only controller that stands tall vs an arcade stick

I alternate between arcade sticks and m30

[dusty shale]

I own two M30s, the SN30 Pro, the Pro 2, the Zero 2, the Neo Geo pad, their USB adapter, their PS1/2 adapter, and I've just ordered their Saturn adapter.

[olive fern]

lol same

[gloomy hedge]

I would get the pad for now

More convenient

So you'll play more

Stick is like learning a different instrument

[dusty shale]

I've mentioned this before, but an honourable mention for a 6 button pad (imo) is the PowerA Fusion.

[olive fern]

i have the sn30pro, pro 2, the m30 on the way, 2 of the adapters (the first and second version) and thinking about grabbing the pce controller too

[dusty shale]

I'm tempted to get their PCE controller so I can sell my PC Engine Mini (I'm only keeping it for its controller).

[olive fern]

man just reminded me

i wish i would have gotten their neogeo pads when they were dirt cheap

they were letting them go for like

$15

but i didnt think anything of it

now that i have a mister on the way i regret not buying 2

lol

[gloomy hedge]

I have that and an additional controller and I use the controllers too haha 😂

[dusty shale]

Annoyingly, the non-JP PCE Mini controllers were never sold separately.

[olive fern]

regret

[dusty shale]

If only they did that deal over here. I'd have immediately grabbed another.

[gloomy hedge]

I like having the other color pce one

[burnt matrix]

Exact same!

[celest lake]

🙋

[burnt matrix]

🤜💥🤛

[pearl harbor]

I have two BT M30s. One is black, and the other is Saturn white!

I also have two of the 8Bitdo Neo Geo CD controllers. I'm tempted to buy another one just because I love it so much!

[serene thunder]

I wanted to believe these would be good

[errant crown]

Yeah, also the 3DO, didn’t that cost like $700? Which would have been insane in today’s money.

Imagine paying that much for a console with mostly shitty FMV games.