Sega Saturn

[pearl harbor]

It worked already! Been using it since last year with SNAC!

[lofty spire]

oh nice

[naive whale]

its always squirrely for me

[pearl harbor]

You've been playing too much Conker!

[naive whale]

Like I have time to play video games if its not for the channel

in this economy??

[pearl harbor]

Tested Daytona USA, and the minor visual bug on the expert track map is fixed! Cheers for more fixes, even if they're minor! 🎉

[twilit forum]

Saturn core is bugged when it comes to loading save data

It randomly fails to load

I can't figure out how to get it load and I'm pretty sure I turned on auto save while trying to load it and lost my progress

[lofty spire]

i've noticed that when i turn autosave on in the saturn core, turn the mister off, turn it back on, and load a game with the saturn core again that autosave turns itself off

[mortal mist]

I have never lost any save

[mortal mist]

Save your settings in osd

[twilit forum]

No matter how many times I click load backup ram and reset, it won't load

Can't play any game unless I leave the mister on the entire time I guess

[mortal mist]

Do you have the games in separate folders ?

[twilit forum]

Yes

[mortal mist]

What game has this problem?

[hallow fossil]

Are you guys doing coordinated testing when a new build drops against a sheet to check what issues are fixed like during N64 development, or are all bugs in GitHub at this point?

[twilit forum]

checked the saves with a hex editor and theres basically nothing in it

tried it with every game ive played on it like rockman 8, and tokimeki memorial

they all have the same problem

toki wouldnt even save it properly, it made boot.sav instead of the actual game title

[mortal mist]

Your bios is called boot.rom?

It should load automatically on startup

[twilit forum]

sometimes i had to reset to get a game to load

because it'd go to checking disk

probably where it happens

i have boot.bin

[mortal mist]

Shoud be named boot.rom

Same story here #1046941029296779344 message

Same problem

[twilit forum]

ok ill try it again and see if it saves now

ok i got it to work now

[ripe valley]

Generally, I'm testing games mentioned on GitHub that are potentially fixed with the release.
And checking also the spreadsheet (compatibility tracker) after that.
When possible and after a checking pass on my side, I could report the issues found by others from the compatibility tracker to the GH issue tracker too.

That's not 100% effective, but most of the bases are covered.

[twilit forum]

i hope this ends all of my issues thanks

[hardy lodge]

Does grandia still flicker with the new core?

[mortal mist]

I don't know , never flicker for me

[ripe valley]

Depends on configuration, I can't reproduce the issue so far with my systems, but other users could on the previous build.

I'm on vacation and without my MiSTer configs at the moment, so I could not test today's revision.

[wise brook]

i’m sorry to say no change for me

[pearl harbor]

The ghost of boot.bin still haunts! 👻

[hallow fossil]

There is a ticket in to get Hi Saturn 1.3 BIOS added to the BIOS DB, so hopefully that gets added soon and sorts these BIOS issues for people coming in

https://github.com/BigDendy/BiosDB_MiSTer/issues/2

[pearl harbor]

I've just been using the github. As far as I'm aware, that's the only method that srg320 uses to receive feedback/issues with the core.

[hallow fossil]

Cool, good to know, nice core is at that stage

[serene thunder]

Careful!

[gloomy hedge]

if you rename boot.bin to nuts.deez it actually unlocks dreamcast core

but only if you have 4.0 ram

[mortal mist]

Yay! It works !!!! Dreamcastttt

[warped saddle]

MAAHHHHHHHVEL

[rustic mantle]

Is there a spreadsheet / doc that indicates which games are working well for Saturn core?

[mortal mist]

Yes , check pins

[hardy lodge]

Grandia flicker persists in the new core. ☹️

[mortal mist]

#1046941029296779344 message

[rustic mantle]

Thank you 🙏

[rotund steeple]

I guess you mean when the game scrolls? Yes, it looks similar to an inproper scaling or something. Very distractive. Wasn't there a few weeks ago iirc.

[waxen vortex]

I now get the White Screen with SEGA Rally NTSC-J 😦

[hardy lodge]

No for some people there is flicker in the intro screen (and I believe also later) when the walls in the throne room flicker wildly.

[ripe valley]

In the museum too.

[rotund steeple]

Ah ok. No, i don't have flicker there. Ingame though, what i've mentioned, looks bad.

Grandia doesn't use interlace ingame. But it looks similar to other bad to scrolling games that use interlace ingame (which are converted to 240p for now).

[burnt matrix]

Save your core settings

[lofty spire]

yeah that worked, thanks folks 🙂

it has Been a Minute since i had to just... hit "save settings" lol

[pearl harbor]

Just want to say how much I appreciate how helpful this community is. I love that we can be silly, and then when it counts also be genuinely helpful and awesome. 🫂

[waxen vortex]

NTSC-U SEGA Rally works fine as does the NTSC-J Version of Plus but for some reason now I can't get SEGA Rally NTSC-J to boot. It white screens after the SEGA Sports screen.

[hardy lodge]

Are you on a crt or flat panel? If so, are you using a scaler or the internal one in the mister?

[rotund steeple]

edit: Ok, it take it back. Compared it very closely to my real saturn with RT4K, and it's there too. Look like tearing edges while the game scrolls vertically. I guess it's normal then.

[tawny forge]

Is the Saturn core complete now? It looks like it is for me at least! 😌

[lofty spire]

it's wild how so many games have yet to be tested on the Saturn core

had no idea the Saturn had so many games

making the N64 look like it has as many games as the PS5

[burnt matrix]

Lightgun support!

[burnt matrix]

Honestly the low game count on the N64 made collecting for it super enjoyable lol

Like it was easy to wrap your head around the entire library

[tawny forge]

Agreed. Also, shoulder analog triggers support.

[serene thunder]

Paper boxes tho

[untold lintel]

srg hasn't said anything about lightguns has he?

[gloomy hedge]

Wait are we supposed to be helpful.... Shit

[serene thunder]

See, you get it

[hallow fossil]

Has anyone dug into the SNAC support added to this build? Any idea what is working and what isn't?

[safe trail]

After reading the pateron post, it sounds like simple digital IO only.

maybe even only single controller

(although he often delivers more than he discloses)

[slate karma]

Are the chamges in the latest unstable the same as in the main core, or is unstable still ahead?

[hearty marten]

They’re the same. The unstable one was automatically built from the latest commit

If by “main core”, you mean the release which is pulled by update_all 🙂

[slate karma]

That's exactly right 🙂 I couldn't think of the right phrasing, mostly because I have a cat on my lap.

[hearty marten]

I can relate - I often have one on mine 😄

[serene thunder]

I like how in Princess Crown you can give the cat to the grandma

[gloomy hedge]

wow stellar assault SS is REALLY fun!

good old arcady dogfighting with a nice little silly story

[burnt matrix]

Beggars can’t be choosers so I’m extremely grateful that anyone translate games at all. I say that to not sound whiny but it’s surprising no one has decided to tackle Princess Crown. It’s a well known game.

[pearl harbor]

We are your lord and savior!

[lofty spire]

i've seen one fan translation project kinda start up and die multiple times

[burnt matrix]

@untold lintel what do you think of Savaki for the Saturn? Doesn’t have any kind of following in the FGC?

[untold lintel]

one of the faceless bad 3d fighters of that era

[prisma wraith]

there is a full translated script and other materials available for it, at least

[trail river]

I just ran update_all and now Sega Rally has no music. It worked fine before. I have a 3.0 dual ram build. Anyone else running into this issue?

[mortal mist]

Nope , works fine here

2.9 dualsdram

[tiny flare]

Oh no, I hope it’s not the return of the dreaded ram timing bugs

[mortal mist]

sometimes it's good to reset the settings 🙂

[serene thunder]

I hope it's not... boot.bin

[tiny flare]

Surely that doesn’t manifest in no music…

[serene thunder]

Oh, it's a routine we have where the boot.bin Ringu monkey gets summoned

Then we have to banish it again

[prisma wraith]

Here is the script for princess crown in both text and pdf format with graphics from the original site it was posted at. Saved these for an eventual playthrough

[high bramble]

Sound still working fine with the latest build on the RAM module of the original MiSTer Multisystem.

[leaden dagger]

are there differences to the new unstable builds posted yesterday and the new update_all build?

[mortal mist]

No , same build

[leaden dagger]

Ok cool

[sudden tusk]

When you gonna fight me Robby ?

[burnt matrix]

I don’t have fightcade

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/tommy-wiseau-chicken-the-room-gif-11523378

[burnt matrix]

MAYBE

MAYBE NOT

🎶🐔

[sudden tusk]

Your insolence knows no bounds!

[burnt matrix]

Mira cómo llora el gallo

jajajajaja

[gloomy hedge]

https://youtu.be/TTTc_ec3ZaM?t=589 another win for saturn ... time stamp. I didnt want to provide my own footage since someone already did this comparison lmao... the whole parallax see through floor is GONEEEE wtf

and the scrolling later in that section that is you zooming across the ground lol come on

yeah these must have been made by different companies

[naive whale]

Saturn does what PlayStation Don’t

[gloomy hedge]

all day

good thing we have SRG's core to be able to play the GOOD version of TFv and not that balls-less psx version 😛

[burnt matrix]

Like have RPGs? Huehuehuehuehue

[serene thunder]

Dear RobPi
SEGA is about quality over quantity
smh

[burnt matrix]

[hearty marten]

Just started playing Bug! Pretty interesting game 😅

Controls a bit janky but it seems fun

[serene thunder]

I would skip to Bug TOO

[hearty marten]

Surely more bug is better? 😅

[burnt matrix]

THATS RIGHT

[lofty spire]

Bug Too but said in the cadence of "Peggle... 2!"

[burnt matrix]

🎶🎷🐛

[hearty marten]

It’s no Conker’s Bad Fur Day though

[serene thunder]

IIRC they added a shadow under BUG

[visual grove]

https://youtu.be/1CEdmZ5P0jA?si=kNNE7aEu2iAUoYoS

Finished!

Man his videos rule, watch the whole damn thing. This guy is showing what a difference quality makes in YouTube videos

[alpine pagoda]

Yeah, they’re always great, he really stepped up the depth and quality when he did corpse killer and they’ve just kept growing. I need to find 4 hours from somewhere for this one!

[frail token]

So I only see like 5 game issues on the github that aren't feature requests or general issues of the core, are we really that close or is it simply that there are so many games to test?

[mortal mist]

All usa games have been tested

But probably only 30-40% of the JP games

[frail token]

So we really just have 5 known glitches left? lol

[mortal mist]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1BpCRjALSAAe4lQGfaJgoiDZu6aLFrVOLdSEJqN4EgIg/htmlview

Yeah 37% JP games

[serene thunder]

This is my list of Best JP games if people want to narrow stuff down for testing

[mortal mist]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues i see more than five

[frail token]

some are questions some are core related I'm counting specific games

not "add support for X" or "core can't handle Y"

[kind quarry]

has anyone done testing based on other region bios? i’m a sucker for the USA bios because of the sound/animation but ive been using the Hi-Saturn one the entire time

[mortal mist]

Well, someone needs to test the remaining 63% of games from the Japanese region

[frail token]

gotcha

still it's promising

[mortal mist]

Core works great

[lofty spire]

and some games are running perfectly or close enough to it. real exciting time to own a mister

[frail token]

Well I'd hope most of them run perfectly if there's no entry in the github for them 🤔

[hardy lodge]

||Grandia|| is the only important game that still has issues. 🙊

[burnt matrix]

But the PS1 version is better

[hardy lodge]

The streets look wrong

[burnt matrix]

Oh

That’s not a funny as what you originally posted

[hardy lodge]

God damnit that auto correct

Yeah I'm not funny my phone is.

One day, when you're an adult you'll find out that technology is conspiring against you and that 151 pokemon are plenty.

[sudden tusk]

Woahhhh! Busting out the Spanish!

[pearl harbor]

Hey, that was Nintendo's policy with the N64!

[quaint dove]

Never specified high or low quality.

[gloomy hedge]

https://youtu.be/f7Kp_1agFYk

@burnt matrix your turn

[burnt matrix]

😅

[pearl harbor]

Now go and beat the arcade version!

[gloomy hedge]

but but

my sega saturn is an arcade right 😦

I'd have to get my damn ps2 out and learn 60fpsRally

[pearl harbor]

I did it on my Steam Deck a couple months ago! Get on my level!

[gloomy hedge]

STEAM DECK!?

mode 2 emulator?

[pearl harbor]

Yeah

[gloomy hedge]

thats fake where's the pcb

my sega saturn has a pcb

its called a fenrir

look at the printy circuit

[burnt matrix]

That’s pretty cool

[gloomy hedge]

honestly tho

the ps2 version is legit arcade perfect

[pearl harbor]

That's definitely a fenrir logo.

[gloomy hedge]

when I tired to play it I was massively confused

because im ONLY used to the saturn version

I was like

WHY IS THIS SO WEIRD AND FAST

the saturn version has this real weighty feel

I need to try that version more tho... but here's the thing MARE-EEO

where's my fuckin stratos

[pearl harbor]

The arcade version seriously is insanely difficult. Beating the clock is the problem. Getting first place is easy enough.

[gloomy hedge]

oh really?

its that different?

now I might be intrigued

but no stratos is like oof

[burnt matrix]

How close is Saturn version to arcade?

[pearl harbor]

The Saturn version is near arcade perfect outside of the 30fps and drop in resolution.

If you can play the Saturn version well, the arcade version is pretty easy to get into. It's just that the checkpoint timer is super strict in the arcade version.

[gloomy hedge]

that 30fps drop is huge tho

switching to 60fps feels like a way different game

and of course no stratos

[drowsy hull]

that looks so much less bare than my v1 fenrir

[quaint dove]

All I remember about Sega Rally was really really liking it and some guy kept telling me turns were easy, maybe.

[pearl harbor]

You and your fancy pants stratos! Beat it with the standard cars like a real Sanshiro!

[quaint dove]

I might have played it with 3d pad?

[gloomy hedge]

I did!

thats how I got the stratos!

hahahaha

https://youtube.com/shorts/TPXA4gyZF-U?si=-s9yjc4LrlkhV0lX also another case of saturn > ps1 dayum

[quaint dove]

Im less shocked that Saturn is better and more with how good PSX was with sfa3

[pearl harbor]

Yep, Saturn Alpha 3 is arguably the definitive version of the game. Even over arcade.

[gloomy hedge]

wait what about alpha 3 max on the psp

[pearl harbor]

But that's on the PSP...

[cursive turtle]

PSP has the worst face buttons and mushiest dpad known to man

Well they’re not that bad but I don’t like them

[green swift]

Hol up, go back to Sega Rally on PS2. Is it good or nah?

[wise brook]

yeah

[green swift]

Yeah nah? Or yeah good?

I see what you did there

[wise brook]

I like it, pandamonium rates it too

[green swift]

I don’t even know what that is.

Pandemonium the Saturn game?

[wise brook]

the guy who put out the absolutely astounding Sega Rally review

[burnt matrix]

PS1 Alpha 3 👀

[gloomy hedge]

It's arcade perfect. Gotta get that bonus disc

[quick sorrel]

The bonus disc is the 60fps version? Like R4's bonus disc?

[quaint dove]

60fps Ridge Racer is such a delight.

[tiny flare]

No kidding, the tips in the Pandamonium video (especially the part highlighting the differences in how you need to take the hairpin on the 3rd stage) legitimately helped me clear both versions of Sega Rally

Oh also how to take the final turn on the first stage to finish in 9th

[burnt matrix]

I want to watch the video but it’s four hours

The final boss of retro game videos

[tiny flare]

it definitely took quite a few lunch breaks to get through...

[burnt matrix]

Ohh that’s a good idea

[visual grove]

Yeah you gotta break it up. It’s great stuff but I don’t think many would do it in one go

[humble epoch]

That’s why you play it on your Vita 👍

[tiny flare]

I don't think my left index finger ever recovered from the hundreds of hours of Monster Hunter on PSP

[untold lintel]

The clawwww

[serene thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/claws-cat-claws-out-kitty-pussycat-gif-16506811

[tiny flare]

you can tell you have Stockholm Syndrome when you were seriously considering buying one of these for Monster Hunter 4

[thick oriole]

Really depends on the model. I had the 2000, and that d-pad was solid. The original model was terrible. But Vita trumps all of them.

[polar mountain]

My favourite version of Alpha 3 is the astounding gba version. I used to carry it around in a hot pink micro in my pocket.

[visual grove]

Alpha3 is my favorite street fighter, Saturn was great but I still prefer the arcade. The PSP version got a lot of play on my train commutes, I thought at the time anyway it was pretty amazing to have such a quality version that was portable

[burnt matrix]

Same, what an amazing port!

[gloomy hedge]

Yeah it's literally just 60fps perfect arcade port not a single frill

[gloomy hedge]

Preach on

[noble escarp]

I love that version too. A shame that support for racing wheel is super weak.

[gloomy hedge]

Oh bummer yeah :/ for that I guess time to use emulators

That would be so fun, I should set that up

The newer Sega rallys don't do it for me on tekno parrot

[noble escarp]

The another one that's on PS2 is pretty good too. I still have to play the ps3/360 online arcade version

[visual grove]

The PS2 is just a reimplementation, model2 emulator is probably just as good or better anyway I would imagine. It’s all emulation if it’s not a model 2! 😉

[gloomy hedge]

Yep yep

[burnt matrix]

More like Model 2/10

[visual grove]

You’re a system 2

[burnt matrix]

Awww thank you

❤️

[visual grove]

Hmm actually that was a bad insult, Wonder Boy games are on that platform

[gloomy hedge]

Sounds like your Sega Rally placement

[burnt matrix]

I’ll take second place

[gloomy hedge]

First last place

[burnt matrix]

[wise brook]

have y’all beat Sega Rally yet?

it only takes 4 minutes

[gloomy hedge]

#1046941029296779344 message

[gloomy hedge]

A lie actually

To truly beat it you just beat all 4 stages in 1st place

Which unfortunately

Takes longer :/

Games too long 😭

[wise brook]

to “truly beat it” is a kettle of worms

some of the shiro! crews best times tho

you might have noticed that the Delta is the preferred car for topping the charts

[burnt matrix]

Ok that’s a good tip, thank you

[untold spear]

so nice to play saturn. love the part where games were nice and stable. lots of 60 fps games. wish n64 had 60 fps games

[wise brook]

30 is fine

60 was most common on the 6th gen and its all been a bit screwy since

[untold spear]

60 fps feels bad, i wish all games were 240

[gloomy hedge]

🥹

🪱

[wise brook]

the best time for this game was written down in ‘97 and it’s so much better than all current records it’s hard to fathom

[gloomy hedge]

Good thing I'm non competitive

Gaming tourist

Me- Take a few pictures and move on

[burnt matrix]

I’m a gaming tourist!

[gloomy hedge]

Me and Robby

[burnt matrix]

LOL

[quick sorrel]

PS2, Sega Rally bonus disc, just to confirm 😅

[gloomy hedge]

Yep specifically the bonus disc

[quick sorrel]

Thx 😃

[sudden tusk]

When you gonna street fight me ?

[frail token]

It isn't in english though correct?

[burnt matrix]

I don’t punch down, sorry

[lofty spire]

it's not like there's a story in Street Fighter though so the language won't impede you playing it

[burnt matrix]

I only fight true masters

[sudden tusk]

Well I do

[sudden tusk]

There is a translation patch .. world tour mode is fun af though

[burnt matrix]

What there’s a Saturn sfa3 translation patch, where? 🤯

[frail token]

I thought there was some issue with the translation or it was incomplete or something

maybe I'm remembering wrong

[sudden tusk]

Let me double check

[frail token]

SFA3 is my favorite

I want to get into SFIII, but every time I try it I can't pull off a hadoken which is really weird and annoying

literally the only street fighter game I've had that issue and I don't know why

[lofty spire]

the alpha series seems really cool but Third Strike appeals to me more. couldn't even tell you why lmao

[frail token]

I'd love to try it

but if I can't do a hadoken I can't play

so it just makes me sad

[lofty spire]

i'm not good at any Street Fighter but if i were to pick one to grind out and get good it'd be Third Strike

[sudden tusk]

3s is broken … just play VI

[lofty spire]

this might sound strange but 6 just doesn't appeal to me lol. it's probably the best looking street fighter in terms of the ones that use 3d models but man... something about the sprite based street fighters just hits different

[gloomy hedge]

lmao

[gloomy hedge]

I like everything you just said

fuck 6, fuck 5, fuck 4 too, fuck 2, definitely fuck 1

[lofty spire]

Street Fighter 1 isn't Street Fighter imo

[gloomy hedge]

I have never skipped a street fighter

except 6

im skipping, it doesnt work for me, the animations look weird when they collide, they look distant, it doesnt look right

[lofty spire]

i'm guessing you also are all "fuck Alpha 1, fuck Alpha 2, fuck Alpha 3 and fuck all other weird Street Fighter games that aren't Third Strike like Mahvel or SVC"

[frank crater]

Lol or just play smash

[lofty spire]

Smash is fun but it's just... different from other fighting games. that's not a bad thing imo but it's not the experience i'm looking for

[wise brook]

looking forward to whooping you all at Fighter Megamix

[upper dust]

Inanimate Bear vs NASCAR

[gloomy hedge]

helllll no

UMVC3 is as good as third strike - they're both the two greatest fighting games ever made

Alpha rules, alpha 2 rules, alpha 2 gold is the GOAT, alpha 3 is aight but a bit complicated

MVC1 rules, MVC2 rules, UMVC3 is the goat

TvC rules too

[lofty spire]

i actually bought UMVC3 on steam recently

MVC looks real cool too. that sprite work is SO slick in the first 2

[gloomy hedge]

the first one espeically

its always my go-to to test any arcade cabinet type situation because it just FEELS like "arcade" to me

if I were to have one cabinet in mint condition in my hosue, it would probably be MVC

its just so beautiful to me

2 has that mish mash look so it doesnt quite hit for me

[lofty spire]

the Alpha series also looks really cool. if i wasn't so enamored with Third Strike i'd probably grind Alpha 3 or 2

[gloomy hedge]

I'll take any of those games over sf6

[upper dust]

Capcom VS SNK got me into Garou/KOF

[lofty spire]

man, SNK sprite work is on another level

i have problems with the Samurai Shodown RPG but it's a beautiful game

[gloomy hedge]

we're way off topic now so im gonna get banned but this happened the other day and I was so happy https://youtu.be/dRqQ5czEptU this is my own little fake evo moment

[lofty spire]

holy shit that's sick as hell

[gloomy hedge]

I was preetty hype

I never do practice modes or anything like that, I just play matches, im a tourist, its just that Ive been to this tourism destination for a long time lololol

you can just play this game by feel

over time you start to get it

3s is very rewarding, and the fact that it will still be there when sf7 sf8 and sf9 come out means its always worth learning

[untold lintel]

A2G is wack

1.5 bar GCs, nerfed CC blowback etc

[sudden tusk]

Agreed but VI is very well put together and endlessly fun once you get a good grasp of the mechanics and the master the META

Plus there’s way more viable characters for high level play than 3s ..

All you ever see in 3s finals is chun and yun

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/kfc-donut-you-wrong-answer-attack-gif-16523537

[gloomy hedge]

I dunoo what any of this means beacuse I didnt play it enough but our friends group loved a2g, played it a ton more. we didnt do custom combos very much so I guess oh well!

[sudden tusk]

Dayyuummm

[gloomy hedge]

I honestly dont have an opinion on 6 haha

[sudden tusk]

VI combines mechanics from all the best SF games to build a way better game

[gloomy hedge]

I just havent played it, it doesnt look fun

[gloomy hedge]

so we got air parries right?

[sudden tusk]

No and don’t need em

[gloomy hedge]

you said best mechanic tho

[untold lintel]

At that level of play, the two games feel practically identical. One you start diving in competitively the changes are for the worse

[sudden tusk]

Air parries are lame , and I love to jump

[gloomy hedge]

these contradict

air parries are what makes jumping safe

without that you just get AA'd

[sudden tusk]

Not if you play Honda ..

[gloomy hedge]

yeah I never got there with alpha

I only really played 3rd strike at a decent (beginner) level

I guess I played 4 and 5 decently, 5 is easy to learn so it was fun in that it was all RPS

[quaint dove]

I had a psp-1000 recently and the dpad was nigh unusable. I ended up sticking little pieces of electrical tape to the underside of it and that finally made it usable. Then I broke it trying to upgrade the screen and got a Vita and never looked back and thank you for attending my Ted talk.

[lofty spire]

never had a PSP, did get a Vita though relatively recently

[quaint dove]

Vita is amazing.

[sudden tusk]

Stop living in the past

[lofty spire]

lmao, said in a discord server where the main subject is all about playing retro video games

[sudden tusk]

Glad you appreciate the irony

[gloomy hedge]

I live in the future because I have a mister futuristic PGA

[lofty spire]

wow, a mister that can play the PS420 when the PS80085 is the newest console

[gloomy hedge]

PlayStation isn't even a real train station

[hardy lodge]

Imagine playstation being honest and rebranding their new products to microtransactionstation or lootboxstation.

There ain't a single sega console that has any games with something like that. Coincidence? I think not.

[gloomy hedge]

there aint a single sega console .... at all

[lofty spire]

i may be mistaken but even modern Sega games tend to give DLC for free if there's DLC

though i may just be thinking of Sonic Frontiers

just a free update that added new game modes

[hardy lodge]

Atlus belongs to sega and has day1 grinding DLC for almost all games.

[lofty spire]

aha, i always forget about Atlus

[gloomy hedge]

definitely mistaken

even in sonic generations there was that casino stage

that costs a few dollars, I think it was a preorder bonus

[lofty spire]

true but later they did just give that DLC away for free

[gloomy hedge]

was super cheap too

im 100% sure the new sonic games have DLC

without even looking at them, I can guarantee it

[hardy lodge]

Sorry, sega isn't better bout dlc than most companies.

[lofty spire]

ah well... at least there was a period of time where it felt that game companies didn't wanna squeeze every cent outta consumers

they probably did want to but it felt like they didn't

[gloomy hedge]

I dont have a problem with paying for more content if its more content thats fine

games are super underpriced

sometimes they are over budgeted and poorly managed, most of the time its super underpriced

[hardy lodge]

Well, there certainly was a time when some companies tried to make more money by developing amazing games so you'd tell your friends and they'd buy them as well. We call that "retro" nowadays and you can find said games on pretty much every platform that couldn't connect to the internet.

[high bramble]

Vita is the best PSP

[gloomy hedge]

and jacking up the difficulty so you couldnt rent them

well you could

but you couldn't beat them

[hardy lodge]

Git gud.

[gloomy hedge]

exactly

[lofty spire]

apparently renting games isn't a thing in Japan so that was why Japanese versions tended to be easier lol

[gloomy hedge]

yeah it wasnt

[lofty spire]

i think Treasure was asked by Sega of America to make some of their games harder

[gloomy hedge]

many devs were

even in arcades they were which made even less sense

[high bramble]

Working Designs comes to mind for sure.

[lofty spire]

i make sure to download "Un-worked Design" versions of their games for that reason lol

cheesy English dubs are charming but i can't abide fucking with the intended difficulty

[gloomy hedge]

okay the fact taht this is free dlc means sega wins

[lofty spire]

Sega can be goated sometimes

[gloomy hedge]

they're the arcade goats for sure

[high bramble]

Funny enough though, I don't recall having issues with the difficulty of Lunar on the Sega CD back when it came out... but years later I noticed it.

[gloomy hedge]

they just could never figure out how to make console games until Yakuza 0 😛

(which is goated)

sega also used to port so many of their games to PC even back in the win 95 days

just all around based company

[lofty spire]

yeah, Sonic 3 & Knuckles and Sonic CD on PC was how i first played those games since i didn't have a Genesis

and who even had a Sega CD anyway? lol

[gloomy hedge]

me too as well as manx tt superbike

real Gs

not plebs like us

[lofty spire]

lol fair enough

[high bramble]

Model 1 when it was released... 😉

[lofty spire]

it's pretty awesome that recent Everdrives and the Mega SD cart can let you play Sega CD games without an actual Sega CD

[gloomy hedge]

at this point does sega even care about sonic's image

they should cuz both those movies were fuckin great

lmao what a timeline

[serene thunder]

SO, how great is Saturn? Great or Greatest?

[lofty spire]

honestly, for me it's a toss up between Saturn and Dreamcast

but Dreamcast ain't gonna be on MiSTer so i guess it's Saturn by default

[hardy lodge]

Mount greaterest.

[gloomy hedge]

if saturns so good where is saturn 2

[hardy lodge]

It's uranus. Plenty of games to be played with uranus.

[serene thunder]

https://youtu.be/Yg9F6O4saM4

Brazil is something

I should move there as a Top SEGA Fan

[lofty spire]

Brazil are the real Sega OGs

[serene thunder]

I think you can plug the Neptune into the SEGA CD and everything

[hardy lodge]

Neptune is just a s32x and mega drive in one it seems? I call that mister.

[serene thunder]

But 32X CD

[lofty spire]

you can play SO many versions of Virtua Racing on that thing!

[quaint dove]

Was Dreamcast Saturn 2 or was it Xbox 0.5?

[lofty spire]

Dreamcast isn't Xbox 0.5, Xbox is Dreamcast 2

[serene thunder]

PS2 is like DC Gaiden

[quaint dove]

I’d say 0.5 times 2 is one but then you’d get Xbox One which is < Xbox 360

[serene thunder]

360 is on the DC spectrum

[lofty spire]

Xbox One or as i call it "the Rare Replay machine"

[quaint dove]

Let’s just start using polar coordinates for our console revisions.

[serene thunder]

We can use our Saturn Hi Navi to track things

Look at it!

[lofty spire]

glorious machine

[gloomy hedge]

if dreamcast is so good where is dreamcast 2

[gloomy hedge]

if Xbox is so good where is Xbox 2

[serene thunder]

Naomi 2

[lofty spire]

you ever think how people called the origina Xbox "Xbox 1" but then the Xbox One came out? lol

[serene thunder]

All hardcore SEGA fans own the full GD-ROM NAOMI2 affixed to a piece of plywood

[quaint dove]

The limit of Xbox(y) as y approaches infinity through 360,One,X is 2.

Also known as “Spencer’s Made-up Bullshit Formula”

[serene thunder]

A simple portable 2P Naomi setup
@naive whale Is this yours?

[high bramble]

"if dreamcast is so good where is dreamcast 2"
😏

[serene thunder]

XBOX do have a lot of SEGA

[gilded carbon]

Anyone mind checking to see if Die Hard Arcade crashes after getting in the elevator? I have old ram and am curious if it is a me thing or an everyone thing.

Probably about 3 minutes into the game.

[naive whale]

Haha I wish

[trim nimbus]

how many naomi does it take to run a ferrari simulator?

[naive whale]

Three

One Naomi per screen

[ripe valley]

You must wait approx. 1 minute before the game will load the cinematic, there is an opened issue about that.

[tiny flare]

Can confirm it doesn’t take that long on my pal disc on real hardware…in case there was ever any doubt 😆

[gloomy hedge]

Only one but she has to be rich so she can go and buy Assetto Corsa and a nice rig

[compact marlin]

Anyone else here enjoying the 4 hr docu about sega rally championship? Had to try out the game today after watching

[lofty spire]

i watched half of it, really interesting stuff

watched the Bug! video earlier

[trim nimbus]

Speaking of, I swear about 2 years ago I saw an article about someone who rescued a celica rally cab, but now I can’t find it. Didn’t show up in the documentary either.

[gloomy hedge]

@compact marlin its awesome and somehow I got senpai to notice 😍😍😍

[trim nimbus]

Oh no, I have committed heresy, it was the ridge racer car 😆

[compact marlin]

hell yeah

I havent seen any of his other saturn vids, but crazy for him to go that deep

[lofty spire]

i've been watching a few of his videos cause i like long form video game analysis and the Saturn so it seemed a no brainer to sub to him on youtube lol

[tiny flare]

The Virtua Cop one is really good too

[compact marlin]

i was trying out virtua cop on the 8bitdo neo geo controller, and the little thumbstick works better than a dpad

sans guncon setup

[hearty carbon]

Never been a better time to spend hundreds of dollars on hardware that's too cumbersome to use very often.

[trim nimbus]

Yeah. The virtua cop video is where it went from great to outstanding. I wish he would have been able to get more of the sega dev team for rally.

[gloomy hedge]

based

[gloomy hedge]

https://youtu.be/TBqDnnh73EQ im in full support

[trim nimbus]

Pretty much the last few have been what I consider must watch if you are a fan of sega, and all are definitely should watch.

I would hope one day outrun 2 comes to pc.

Planet harriers and after burner climax too.

[naive whale]

Showing off dem gams

[gloomy hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-javi-gutierrez-pedro-pascal-the-unbearable-weight-of-massive-talent-happy-gif-25135496

[gloomy hedge]

technoparrot tho

also

outrun 2

on pc

[burnt matrix]

Sega Saturn? More like Smegma Shart-urn

Nights into Dreams? More like Farts onto Breams.

[quaint dove]

C'mon you can do better than that, man.

[polar mountain]

Can I try one?

What about..

Sonic R

More like...

Colonic...

[lofty spire]

Sonic Jam? more like Jam deez nuts in your mouth

[polar mountain]

R igation

[quaint dove]

"Sonic R is when I realized the Saturn could do CD-G, because that certainly was graphics paired with music."

[serene thunder]

DOOM? More like Poopm

[quaint dove]

Sega Saturn? More like Checker-Pattern (for transparencies)

[serene thunder]

ouch

[polar mountain]

I had to delete my last comment because it was so shamefully juvenile

[quaint dove]

The Saturn had Burning Rangers but it was too late, because the 32x was Burning Bridges. With the fans.

[serene thunder]

That's OK, save it for another time

[lofty spire]

harsh but true

[gloomy hedge]

hey be nice to poom

https://freds72.itch.io/poom

[gloomy hedge]

Sega rally more like SMELL YER ALLEY

[serene thunder]

Radiant Silvergun? More like, Runnyleg Shittyfun

[polar mountain]

Excellent work gentlemen

[serene thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/morning-ralph-time-out-walking-gif-15751042

[burnt matrix]

That is cool as hell

[trim nimbus]

Something tells me those fetch a fortune now.

Hmm, lots of versions that are somewhat cheap

[frail token]

https://www.timeextension.com/news/2024/06/saturn-radiant-silvergun-just-got-a-major-fan-made-update

[dim lodge]

Hello. Just got some Saturn games running thanks to help from this great community. Can somebody clue me in on how to choose Tate mode? i

I've got a 14 inch Trinitron that loves to be rotated.

I didn't see that option in the f12 menu. Do I need to select that from the Saturn Console menu? (Didn't see the option there either.).

[quaint dove]

The games will have any TATE mode options in their ingame menus.

DoDonPachi, Layer Section/Galactic Attack, etc.

Despite being in Japanese, it usually says TATE in big romaji

[dim lodge]

I should have realized that, I suppose. My mind does not juggle multiple menus well. Sometimes I have no idea where I am ha ha.

Thanks, deepthaw! Next time I fire up I will be that much closer...

[burnt matrix]

Excited for you to play Saturn! It’s such an awesome system!

[dim lodge]

I'm pretty pumped up about it. I've got a Mistercade on an arcade monitor. It also works on my Supergun which is sometimes more convenient. LS-32 sticks. 🙂

[burnt matrix]

I hope you also bought new underwear for the pants wetting that Virtual Hydlide will bring you

[trim nimbus]

Always remember, Zophar gave up fame and fortune managing the premiere emulation website so he could dedicate his life to Virtual Hydlide.

[pearl harbor]

I see that we have a new faithful member of the church of Saturn. In Sanshiro we trust! 🙏

[gloomy hedge]

Can confirm since you asked this in the junkie forum like way early this a.m..and I answered already 😂

Got one of those old shmup brains, I get it 😂

[burnt matrix]

hey what’s up

Are people who are good at shoot em ups called shmup lords?

[quick sorrel]

Shooter McGavins

[quaint dove]

of course he has an old shmup brain who do you think invited him to your discord?

[serene thunder]

Or it will be arcade vs home mode or something

[pearl harbor]

We're called shmucks.

[serene thunder]

I dunno, I'll keep calling them shooters or STG

shmup sounds so derogatory somehow

May as well call them smurfs

[hearty carbon]

it's like when people were trying to make 'za a substitute for pizza

[tiny flare]

I find I have to say shmups otherwise people think I’m talking about FPS games

Somehow this is Robby’s fault

[rich violet]

I say "shoot 'em ups"

[lofty spire]

shoot them ups with exaggerated enunciation

[untold lintel]

shmupgang. i always hated the STG 'acronym' ShooTingGame lol

[burnt matrix]

Shmup lords for lyfe

[gloomy hedge]

Old shmupbrains unite

[gloomy hedge]

We're called Junkies

So I played some Sega Rally PS2 bonus disc port

How come no one told me that the music in the arcade version is SUB PAR

https://youtu.be/DVV6mCXriuI?si=E-jA5YBexSWJFv1e Saturn

https://youtu.be/VE0nwEgqHM8?si=qhUD0RrdMWckGOzu arcade

[visual grove]

You didn’t watch the documentary. Tsk tsk

[gloomy hedge]

Ok this sounds really good but I swear this doesn't sound like this on the game lol

[gloomy hedge]

Yeah I've only watched part of it hahah

I know there's less tracks and stuff in the arcade version and that it's not Redbook audio, I wonder how the YouTuber got such a clean recording above tho

[burnt matrix]

Junkies has some negative connotations though

[gloomy hedge]

Exactly

[compact marlin]

game over yeah!!!!

[warped saddle]

midi junkies gonna fuck you up

[clear condor]

I like the Daytona USA music more than the Sega Rally music - particularly when comparing the arcade versions

Sega Rally plays its role nicely, but Daytona is just so happy to be here

[pearl harbor]

Daytona's soundtrack is legendary.

[quaint dove]

That’s because it is happy to be here. https://youtu.be/1J9ffRgADRU?si=zfLw-Qei3G4OFgmQ

[clear condor]

the only thing Mitsuyoshi-san is that happy about in Sega Rally is your failure

[pearl harbor]

I love how he did that incredible F-Zero song for Smash Bros. as well. So good.

[clear condor]

I JUST FOUND THAT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S26Q3ZbUt8 It is so rad

[visual grove]

Yeah there’s no racing game that has Daytonas level of nostalgia for me. Rally is arguably a better game but I’ll always put money into a Daytona cab when I see one

[quaint dove]

I have bought a lot of racing wheels for modern consoles just to play ports of Virtua Racing and Daytona.

PS Switch Virtua Racing is

[compact marlin]

is there a switch arcade port of daytona?

doesnt look like it

[quaint dove]

Sadly not. All the Sega Ages ports on Switch are fantastic, but Daytona is not among them.

Like they added a full-on tutorial/training mode for Herzog Zwei.

[pearl harbor]

Thankfully, I have the Xbox 360 version, which is compatible on the Series consoles. 4K Daytona with the extra modes is perfection!

[compact marlin]

oo I have to look into this, also have series x

[quaint dove]

Mine is on PS3

[pearl harbor]

I also have that version. I may have a problem.

[quaint dove]

You've got a fever and the only cure is more daytona

[compact marlin]

Well shit

[quaint dove]

There's a trick to still buy it I think

shit nope it no longer works i think

[compact marlin]

was just looking into it, the download on xbox 360 website just redirects you to the main xbox site

[pearl harbor]

Dang, that sucks. Glad I got it when I did!

Looks like Virtua Fighter 2 is still available.

[drowsy hull]

if only they'd released it on steam (and OOA too...)

[quaint dove]

I sideloaded it on my PS3 - no idea if it's still available on the PSN store or how it compares to the Xbox 360 version.

[visual grove]

I think there still isn’t a perfect port of arcade Daytona unmolested right? Model2emulator is still the best?

[pearl harbor]

They're the same version of the game.

[quaint dove]

PS3s are dirt cheap and very easy to softmod.

[pearl harbor]

Only difference is that PS3 isn't compatible on modern PS consoles.

And that the PS3 version runs at 1080p (like the Xbox 360 version), but the Xbox version runs at 4K on Series consoles.

[quaint dove]

Ooh nice

[compact marlin]

yeah this is upsetting

I guess if I modded the series x and was able to manually add daytona that would work

[clear condor]

https://tenor.com/view/race-car-racing-pc-game-out-run-gif-14660997

[quaint dove]

Also amazing on Switch.

[visual grove]

Yeah yeah it’s great and I loved it too but Daytona felt real in the 90s. Felt like living in the future when you climbed into the cab

[clear condor]

Daytona USA feels like the future even in 2024

there's something about its smoothness and self-confidence that just tell you it's not getting any better than that

[hearty carbon]

The way nanomachines build the track as you drive along it.

[thorn pagoda]

did anyone play that modern sega rally revival thing

it's not called sega rally but its obviously sega rally you know

hopefully someone gives daytona that treatment someday

[hearty carbon]

I linked one in here but someone pointed out it was more like a Colin rally game than a Sega rally game

[thorn pagoda]

was it the one thats like, almost 1:1 got the sega rally courses in it?

i've only seen it in videos

[hearty carbon]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2824660/?snr=1_5_9__205

Steam

Old School Rally

Old School Rally features fast-paced, arcade-style gameplay, with emphasis on driving skill and high-speed maneuvers.RETRO STYLE VISUALSCarefully crafted retro style visuals, reminiscent of the late '90s rally games full of nostalgia and charm, making it a must-play for everyone.RACE THE WORLDWith a variety of rally tracks from around the globe,...

Release Date

2024

▶ Play video

[thorn pagoda]

no i think it was a different one i saw

thats cool there are two of them tho

the one i saw had very obvious remakes of the original sega rally courses

[minor cipher]

over jump rally?

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1959280/Over_Jump_Rally/

Steam

Over Jump Rally

DRIFT LIKE IT'S 1995Put your helmet on, fist-bump your co-pilot, and get ready to drive flat out for another lap in the legendary Forest stage!Challenge yourself to improve your best times or just take a walk around the Yosemite Pioneer History Center, where the event takes place... you might find some familiar faces!CAUTION! Nostalgia overload!...

Release Date

To be announced

▶ Play video

[thorn pagoda]

yep

good memory

[hearty carbon]

Epic must have a well of cash they're handing out for all these UE5 conversions

[serene thunder]

Heartening to see activity in a SEGA channel

Who will be DOG Master first in RS?

https://tenor.com/view/calvary-dog-monkey-round-up-posse-gif-14542978

[kind quarry]

i feel sad i never got to experience the sega channel

it must have felt so magical

[lofty spire]

quick! name the best Saturn game you can think of! GO!

[cursive ravine]

Saturn bomberman. Love that game

[lofty spire]

i saw a 4 hour video explaining how Sega Rally Championship is the best Saturn game lol

[gilded inlet]

Panzer rally into dreams

[upper dust]

Radiant Elevator Bulk Fighter 2

[cursive ravine]

Burning Sakura heroes

[trim nimbus]

Virtua cop fighter USA

[pearl harbor]

Dragon Force!

https://tenor.com/view/combo-breaker-combo-gif-15109656

[hearty carbon]

I love Dragon Force so much

[clear condor]

For Saturn, it's all about the BIG THREE

||Bug, Virtual Hydlide, and Virtual Hydlide again||

...but actually, the real big three - Rally, Cop, VF2 - are the ones I'm most excited to dig into

[visual grove]

They are the best games for sure

Though I was playing some STV games last weekend I’d never spent any time with on Saturn that are pretty great

I’m sure they’re the same

Like Shienryu

Cotton Boomerang

Terra diver

Everyone’s played Radiant Silvergun but some of that

Can’t remember the name of the other one

Thanks google: purikura daisakusen

Hard to remember that one (for me)

[lusty rapids]

oddly not even related to Purikura machines

[gloomy hedge]

shmup junkies have invaded the saturns

[burnt matrix]

MiSTer is how I learned to like shooty doodies

[gloomy hedge]

[lofty spire]

thanks folks, i'm so full of Saturn games now 🙂

[serene thunder]

You speedrun Steam Hearts

[burnt matrix]

No, what’s that?

[quick sorrel]

Booby shooter

[burnt matrix]

That’s a thing? LOL

[quick sorrel]

Probably some official genre but idk

Eroge subcategories 😅

Not sure how it’s divided cuz of cute’m ups have girls in bikinis but I think steam hearts is more explicit

[burnt matrix]

What’s even the point though, can’t focus on that trying to survive dodging bullets

[quick sorrel]

Steam hearts was supposed to be: play the level, see bikini(?) boobs(?) if you do well on the level maybe
When I played the intro level I didn’t see that so I presume it’s a skill ranking
Surely someone knows how it works here

[serene thunder]

IIRC the Saturn version may actually be less naughty than the OG?

Ask PobPi, he has the no death, three loop WR

[burnt matrix]

lol not for me

[plush pelican]

have you guys played Radiant Silvergun EXTRA? just found out about it.
http://daifukkat.su/hacks/rsg_ex/

also, first time playing Radiant Silvergun

[serene thunder]

That game rules so hard. Just keep playing and saving your progress and you'll get more powerful weapon levels

Next time you play

Sometimes I start the game and only use one weapon the whole time

The Homing Missiles will reveal dogs

Don't worry about combos and 100% boss kills until you get some practice

[plush pelican]

It was fun from the few runs I played. I wasn't sure how to play the game because it seems like you get all of the weapons from the get-go.

[thorn pagoda]

Resident Evil

[mortal mist]

Guradian Heroes

[hearty carbon]

Every time someone plays it and hates it my heart breaks.

[serene thunder]

Yes, but they level up as you use them
And that progress gets saved for next time

[plush pelican]

That makes more sense. My comprehension didn't hit the first time around 😆 . Planning to play it tomorrow again.

[serene thunder]

I think the chaining of enemy colors will also speed up your weapon leveling?
Plus I think you get more continues as you go

So eventually you can get pretty far by credit feeding

It was made to be a deep dive

[edgy hollow]

So actual staurn, is rgb like a big leap over svideo?

Thinking if i should just use rgb to tink 4k then hdmi to component for crt(no rgb support)

[tiny flare]

That seems…convoluted

I would just stick to s-video, or even just composite rather than doing a round trip back to an analogue signal

[polar mountain]

Is the "gaaame ovar, yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!" the greatest game over?

I think so.

[visual grove]

G a m e o ew e r

https://youtu.be/zW3O51c3kdE?si=dqSkEU8ZaUaE0Ivc

[polar mountain]

Usually it's like "game over!!?? Noooooooooooo"

[visual grove]

rally is better but both are great

[polar mountain]

Whoa!

That's just as good

Game over doesn't need to be sad

[tiny flare]

so here's a fun bug that I haven't encountered before - playing Saturn core with USB controller, everything is fine and normal - plug in SNAC controller midway through and audio cuts out

[burnt matrix]

Permanently or temporarily?

Whenever I activate my controller on the Saturn core everything pauses temporarily

[tiny flare]

temporarily, although it persisted through a reset, which was pretty spooky, I switched to the SNES core to make sure I still had audio and it was fine, going back to the Saturn core and it's fine again now, with the SNAC controller plugged in

ok yeah I can make the audio play up pretty consistently, not sure if it's recommended to plug and unplug SNAC mid play, but I've never seen this kind of issue before on other cores...

[gloomy hedge]

That's a really good point. The bullets should be boobies

Then you could focus on both

[burnt matrix]

Arrrg no lol

[gloomy hedge]

You're right that's a bit sexist, we should have booby and butt and genital bullets to cover all angles

Good point Robby

You sly dog

[burnt matrix]

[gloomy hedge]

You're a great game designer

Must have worked for Sega in your past

[serene thunder]

He ported Seaman to PS2
Single-handedly

[gloomy hedge]

amazing

[minor cipher]

Steep Slope Sliders has a weirdly detailed and awesome music visualizer

just chilling in there

a very strange game, that one

[gloomy hedge]

psx version of that one lets you play as Resident Evil Characters iirc

dunno if the saturn version does

I love sick music visualizers

will have to check it out, I like steel slope sliders actually lol

[minor cipher]

it's pretty fun! i enjoy time attacking

but yeah the visualizer is like... a lot of effort into this superfluous thing, but it's pretty wicked

some of the music is pretty cool, too

[gloomy hedge]

speaking of music visualizers ( kinda) - have you seen the one to battlemania 2 on the megadrive

its like a full sprite band that is specific to the music playing lol

[minor cipher]

yes!

the music in that game absolutely RIPS

[gloomy hedge]

yas

totally agree

[minor cipher]

some of my fav md tunes

[gloomy hedge]

❤️

https://youtu.be/W9n7ZFO6ybw you might enjoy this then

[minor cipher]

FM chonk

i wonder how hard it'd be to patch the arrange soundtrack into night striker s

if they are redbook can probably just swap'em out! but not sure if they are

[gloomy hedge]

arrange?

theres an arrange OST?

[minor cipher]

Mega CD version has an arrange OST

not present on PS1/SAT

[gloomy hedge]

ohhh mega cd version wow I forgot about that lol

based info

[minor cipher]

it's fucking sick too

[gloomy hedge]

I bet if you did a transplant of the redbook tracks it would just do it

at least thats how games USED to work back in the day lol

but i dont know enough to deal with cd image patching smh

worth asking some modders tho

would be an absolutely sick mod

[minor cipher]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-PBbrjRAdg&list=PLREYF4RnDeQBSTbZzx5fzGzTDoxJOFX7a

shit is hot

[topaz mica]

Very. I like that one DnB track

[minor cipher]

90s jungle feel, yeah

90s breakbeats are special to me haha

[topaz mica]

same

[upper dust]

Zuntata is great. Daddy Mulk from Ninja Warriors goes

[twilit forum]

I completed tokimeki memorial on this core with no bugs

[clear condor]

which girl though

[twilit forum]

Yuina

Did her route and unlocked the shmup mini games

They all work

[clear condor]

YES https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQKq-ZHckAs

[burnt matrix]

Is there a translation?

[plush pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-dance-cyber-punk-man-virtual-reality-gif-27596513

[hearty marten]

Only for the SFC version iirc

https://www.translated.games/snes/heartthrob

[twilit forum]

No

I just played it in jp

[drowsy hull]

robby would too if he really was the new-sega fan he pretents to be.

[twilit forum]

I think someone was working on one

Probably won't happen because this game is next to impossible to hack

[hearty marten]

Robby and Sega sitting in a tree…

[clear condor]

SE - GA - SA - TA - RN - SHI - ROU*!!*

[tawdry lion]

https://tenor.com/view/saturn-saturn-origin-origins-gif-22979142

[plush jetty]

Wow, had never heard of that, thanks for sharing

[plush pelican]

no problem

[serene thunder]

Have you tried out Techno Motor for Saturn?

[gloomy hedge]

Nah don't know that one

Good stuff?

[serene thunder]

Well, it let's you create electronic music and then control it on the fly with the dpad and buttons

If you enjoy that sort of thing

[hallow fossil]

Is that the one you can use the midi adaptor with?

[serene thunder]

That's for a duo of piano learning software
Miracle Piano? or something

V. curious if someone could hack that

[fervent karma]

Every time you turn on the Mouse, you get weird things such as your game booting you back to the Menu! How do I prevent it you ask?

[gloomy hedge]

Ah neat, yeah why not. Although tbh I really need to get back to music making in general 😭

[twilit forum]

https://segaxtreme.net/threads/tokimeki-memorial-text-insertion-help.25233/

Yeah nobody can figure out how to insert text properly and it's been 2 years

Or rather it's been almost 30 years and nobody has found a way to translate the definitive versions of the game

I think if someone manages to hack those games for translation, they deserve like a nobel prize or something because it's remained unhacked for so long due to the sheer difficulty of it.

[trim nimbus]

Did they partner with LRG for that CD?

[inner kayak]

Just saw this in London, they missed an opportunity to have a drago(o)n instead of a fish logo

[sudden tusk]

Exquisite ..

[gloomy hedge]

who needs mario party

[burnt matrix]

Sega Rally is running flawlessly so where’s the arcade core? It works people, just port the code over.

[gloomy hedge]

I dont know why mister devs dont just increase the frame rate and resolution and then fix the transparency and then keep the good music

I mean its just a 1 2 3

ka bloop beep blep

[burnt matrix]

Exactly! Like how hard is it, the tech is over 30 years old.

[quaint dove]

I say we just supply cheap wine with high end arcade cores so people are too shitfaced to notice the poor performance and wobbly rendering.

[inner escarp]

It doesn't work for me (classic pad)

[gloomy hedge]

if I wasnt so busy playing bangers like whatever in fuck I took a video of above, I would do it myself

[gloomy hedge]

goldeneye 4 player but after 3 shots

[umbral bluff]

Which game is that and which ScanLines are you using ?

[gloomy hedge]

All the info is on the right, it's the PVM preset on the Retrotink5x with a little color tweak

The name of the game...

2do Aru Koto wa Sando R

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puzzle_%26_Action:_Treasure_Hunt I suppose this is it

[tiny flare]

it's actually infuriating how good Sega Rally is and how well it runs on the core...like yes, I could explore the vast library of awesome games I've never played that run well on the core now...or I could just keep trying to whittle my times down in Sega Rally...

[lofty spire]

i keep doing this with the Genesis core. yeah, i COULD play a lot of games i never played... ORRRRR i could play Sonic 3 & Knuckles for the hundredth time

[tiny flare]

haha, yeah I revisit S3&K a lot too, the soundtrack alone is just

[lofty spire]

though to get back to talking about the Saturn, i have been playing Sonic Jam... but mostly playing S3&K lol

[tiny flare]

I at least booted it up just to run around as 3D Sonic for a bit, I think more than enough has been said about what a wasted opportunity that was

[burnt matrix]

I want modders to make new levels for it. It’s just so well made and all the pieces are there.

[lofty spire]

considering that there's footage of Shenmue on Saturn out there, it wouldn't surprise me if they were planning a 3D Sonic on Saturn too

and what we got in Sonic Jam was just what they were able to cobble together in a bundle with some classic Sonic games

none of this is based off of research of course, just gut feelings lol

[tiny flare]

almost for sure, although not unhappy with what we ended up getting for Dreamcast in either case

[burnt matrix]

Yeah Sonic Adventure was initially planned for Saturn but it quickly moved over to Dreamcast

Shenmue required an external graphics accelerator you’d plug into the cart slot

[lofty spire]

i like that they made so many addons for the Saturn. cartridges? you got it. a video card you plug into the back of the console? sure, we'll make that. a mouse? sure why not

though a lot of consoles had mice lol

[burnt matrix]

The expansion cart slot was pretty ingenious.

I’ve come to greatly appreciate and respect Sega’s hardware development team.

At first I was like “lol quads” but man, they really did their research and their hardware design was extremely forward thinking

[lofty spire]

if you told me that the Saturn was the most powerful 5th gen console i'd believe it

[burnt matrix]

I think that’s the saddest thing about Sega going third party. They’re always going to deliver on great games, no doubt, but we lost a team of brilliant engineers that was buoyed by a company who was willing to take risks and plan ahead.

[lofty spire]

i've been watching a youtube channel reviewing every US released Sega Saturn game and there was a quote that sums up why Sega were so wild in the 90s and just kinda play it safe now. someone asked the director of Saturn Sega Rally "what don't we know about Sega in the 90s? What don't we appreciate?" and they responded "freedom, creative freedom". hard to be as wildly creative as Sega were in the 90s if you have to publish software on other people's systems

[burnt matrix]

If you love Sega Rally I recommend checking out Rally de Africa and Rally de Europe on the PS1. It’s the only other game from that gen that comes to feeling as good as Sega Rally. They’re JP exclusives but the menus are easy enough to figure out.

[quick sorrel]

It used to be the language barrier was more of an issue. I’ve told people who don’t read Japanese to use their phone to auto translate. For menus it’s good enough. Full-on sentences, not so much.

[burnt matrix]

Yeah that’s true

[tiny flare]

I used to play Super Robot Wars games untranslated without understanding a single thing, guides definitely helped and you start to learn what each of the characters on the menus do, even if you still have zero idea what it means and how to read it…

[quick sorrel]

Well you start to recognize and are able to recall the meaning after a while. A friend of mine learned how to navigate many Japanese games with katakana and kind of learned it that way.

[lofty spire]

creamy 3d graphics

[quick sorrel]

Part of the reason so many eroge are on Sega Saturn!

[burnt matrix]

eroge? lol wat

erotic games?

Is that actually a genre?

[pearl harbor]

It is very much a genre.

Not that I would know anything about it! (nervous laughter)

[burnt matrix]

How can subject matter be a genre, like isn’t a genre based on gameplay?

[lofty spire]

sometimes eroge games get so big that they become a multimedia franchise that scrubs off all the erotic elements. see Fate/Stay Night

[burnt matrix]

Oh wow

How was that allowed on Saturn?

Wait no, nevermind. Last time I asked those types of questions I got burned lol.

I’ll continue living in ignorant bliss

[tiny flare]

a few years back my wife and I were at PAX Aus and a writer for Kotaku AU was giving a talk about "literary canon but for games" and I was like "wow, this sounds right up my alley". Right away this guy was like "so anyway, we're just going to look at the games based on their narratives" and afterwards my wife told me just how proud she was of me just sitting there and keeping my silence during the whole thing...

[sacred goblet]

I remember some discussion months ago about issue with chjdman with game that have specific structure but i don't remeber exactly what it was. Can someone help me? I would like to check my library 🙂 I compress it into chd 2 years ago.

[alpine pagoda]

Search for “monster slider”, you should find the discussion

[hearty carbon]

So... they were trying to build a canon of must play narrative games instead of a canon of must play games in general?

[tiny flare]

it was long time ago and I've tried to put it out of my mind, but yeah, they talked about all the predictable stuff like Doom, OoT, GTA3, Half-Life and so on in those terms, it was obvious that they couldn't separate gameplay from the games, but they didn't have the breadth of knowledge of games and gaming history to know where a lot of the ideas in those games came from to start with

[hearty carbon]

What a nightmare of a subject to take a run at.

[tiny flare]

pretty much, I certainly wouldn't pretend to know or have experienced anywhere near enough to tackle that subject...

[sacred goblet]

From what i read this issue is not fixed yet in chdman.

[alpine pagoda]

Yeah, it’s just a handful of games, just leave those ones as bin/cue and you’ll be fine

[tall radish]

Is Panzer Dragoon and Grandia fully playable?

[mortal mist]

Yes

[tall radish]

Awesome, thanks for letting me know

[visual grove]

Does anyone in here have an HSS-0130? (Virtua stick pro). Trying to track down a scan of the VF2 instruction card it came with

[burnt matrix]

Not having breadth of knowledge of games or game history is absolutely inexcusable as a games journalist haha

[topaz mica]

Floppy drive? Done. MIDI adapter? Yup, got that too.

[topaz mica]

I know. A part of me keeps hoping they will jump back into hardware some day...but even if they did, the era of creative hardware design is long over. Everything is just an APU/SOC with a different plastic box around it now.

[tiny quartz]

I have three of them

[visual grove]

You have 3 virtua stick pros? Cool! Any chance you would be willing to scan in (if you have a scanner) the VF2 instruction card? I haven’t seen any VF2 instruction cards besides the hss-0130 card

[tiny quartz]

happy to. Not sure if the collection of cards is complete, they've been in storage for a while and I didn't really take care of them as well as I would have if I'd known how much they'd be worth in 2024. ^__^

It's midnight here now. If the one in the living room has the card, I'll do it now. Otherwise it's a tomorrow thing.

[visual grove]

No rush and thank you!

Yeah those controllers are expensive. ~$600 or so from poking around trying to find just the instruction cards but no one seems to have scanned them or sells them separately. You’d think VF2 would have an Astro city / NAC instruction card, and it might, but I haven’t found one so the Saturn controller seems like the next best thing

[tiny quartz]

you're in luck

now, where's the scanner gone?

Ugh, canon scanning software is doing its best to make this way more frustrating than it needs to be. It's trimming off the edges.

random white balance too.

Like what the fuck am I supposed to make of this?

two segments merged beautifully by me, not so much scanned well by this thing.

@visual grove There ya go

[visual grove]

Oh wild it changed the he color?

[tiny quartz]

Yeah. Whatever it was basing 'white' on was different on each scan.

[visual grove]

Beautiful thanks!

[burnt matrix]

A real gamer wouldn’t cheat by looking at the manual

[tiny quartz]

that is absolutely a valid and good point which we should take seriously.

[visual grove]

How I feel reading your messages

[tiny quartz]

that guy's giving me strong Rockford vibes.

[visual grove]

He’s chosen to die rather than respond to Robby. Good choice

[tiny quartz]

usually. Robby's a known Awful Guy

And now that I've finally done my good deed for the day, I'm going to bed. Try to use that scan only for evil, @visual grove . And @burnt matrix maybe reflect on your 'orrible ways. ❤️

[burnt matrix]

You are a nice guy for doing that.

[visual grove]

Good night, you are gentleman and a scholar. Also I might upload your image to archive and say Robby did it

[tiny quartz]

lol

maybe hold off for now. I'm going to do it with the camera and see if I can get better results.

If you don't hear from me tomorrow, go ahead. (Y)

[pulsar mantle]

NiGHTS is 28 today! Just finished my Saturn run (going to do a PC run with mods later), and highly recommend everyone else here give a spin today. Easily my fave Saturn game of all time.

[kindred peak]

...I bought it on launch day... but... That means... 👴

[lofty spire]

the march of time comes for us all

[pulsar mantle]

Indeed. I remember seeing it for the first time on a demo kiosk at my local Electonic's Boutique when it launched. Ridiculous to think that was nearly 28 years ago now.

[tiny quartz]

Hey @burnt matrix @visual grove - I've got the new definitive version of that VF2 card coming up

[visual grove]

https://tenor.com/view/buajaja-patricio-patrick-star-rub-gif-20886527

[tiny quartz]

Well, maybe. I've got a better -colour- version but the clarity took a hit. Still working on it

[burnt matrix]

Nice!

[tiny quartz]

I've lost the fringing at the cost of clarity.

[tiny quartz]

OK, I've got it.

First scan, 2 segments, perfect clarity and colour. Rotation was off by only 0.05 degrees.

Doing cleanup now.

https://nfgworld.com/grafx/scans/files/VF2-InstructionCard.png

^ @visual grove

[visual grove]

Looks perfect!

Thanks!!

[tiny quartz]

If you can tell me where on IA that should go, I can upload it there.

[tiny quartz]

I'm glad you like it. I am much happier with this result. ^__^

[sacred goblet]

I've read comment in the mame issu for chdman with multi index track : https://github.com/mamedev/mame/issues/10308. Tracks index are stored in subchannel data. For games that have problem Does someone can test CHD file with the sbi file? If CD emulation read the TOC in the sbi perhaps it could work?

[warped saddle]

the sbi won't have that subchannel data

[sacred goblet]

sbi files contains subchannel data but perhaps not from TOC Area?

[warped saddle]

indexes aren't in the TOC. I dunno, maybe it contains enough Q-sub to do it but it would still be kinda annoying

[sacred goblet]

Ah OK!
Where are stored indexes in the cd?

[warped saddle]

yeah, just what I thought. sbi doesn't contain every sector of Q subdata, just the ones where they are 'bad'

it's in the timing data the, 'Q-subchannel'

TOC contains track list and pointer to sector/MSF of 'index 01' for each track

mame is halfway there, up until maybe 1.5 months ago even their internal representation of a cdrom only tracked index 00 and index 01. it was recently changed to support multisession and up to 99 indexes, but changes haven't happened on chd side yet

[sacred goblet]

Thanks Zak ! So actually no advantage to recreate all my CHD files with current version of chdman (i cnvert them 2 years ago)?

[warped saddle]

no, not really

[tawdry lion]

I thought that there were fixes in chdman a few months ago that addressed a number of issues dealing with compression?

Hmm I guess it was mainly Dreamcast-related fixes, a bug related to compression that would result in output file creation failure (file would not get made, with an error spit out), and adding Zstandard compression support

[lone mural]

anyone noticed in the core connected in a CRT that the interlaced video modes doesn't show as they should be ?

[ancient fractal]

Yes https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/170

[ancient surge]

That incomplete interlaced support is why I haven't touched any of the SEGA fighting games much.

It's just too distracting when the image is that distorted.

[burnt matrix]

Do you remember what your recommended CHDman settings were?

[wise brook]

hdmi to a vga monitor looks stunning in the meanwhile

[wet river]

Anyone had any trouble with the Saturn core not booting? I’ve had different versions of it running fine since the first alpha was released. For some reason after I ran the latest update_all script it won’t work at all. Mister just stops outputting a signal and the 3 main lights just turn off. 😦

Happens with PlayStation core actually too now. Tried deleting my ini file but same issue

[high bramble]

In your \Games\Saturn\ folder, the BIOS file of your choice needs to be named boot.rom.

[wet river]

i already had it as that and no luck. Im currently doing a fresh install of everything on the sd card. I've had a few other strange errors aswell so we'll see how that goes.

cheers!

[pine kindle]

@jamesy - Maybe watch the pinned YouTube video.

[pine kindle]

Hmm, I had a microSD card build that I made near the end of April 2024... that had mostly Saturn ROMs on it... and I ran update_all... and after rebooting... I don't even have the Saturn core. Running update_all again... and it seems to be downloading a lot of stuff. I thought one time through would get one fully updated?!?

[glass aurora]

been out of the loop on discord for the last few months. anyone tried to complete Shining Force III yet?

[gloomy hedge]

It's possible that you didn't have connection to one of the servers. Something may not have resolved during the first run.

I always sort of pay attention to what's happening on the screen during update_all generally speaking

That could clue you into any issues

[ivory veldt]

I haven't been following Saturn much recently; what major features or games are missing at this point?

[burnt matrix]

Games? I think everything is working but we’re missing SNAC functionality for light guns and the mouse.

[ivory veldt]

Thanks!

[burnt matrix]

So I’m no expert in the slightest but this core is the best way to play Saturn for me. Better than emulators and original hardware.

[balmy crag]

Working, but we've still got graphical glitches a la Grandia, correct?

[burnt matrix]

I think so but they’re extremely minor and will be resolved soon.

Here’s a list of known issues - https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues

[warm ledge]

480i?

[leaden dagger]

I'm just waiting for analog pad emulation and snac to be enabled/figured out

also lightguns

[viral pebble]

And multitap

And mouse, basically getting the peripherals working

Cheats would be nice too

[wise brook]

they render the game an unpleasant experience if your MiSTer happens to have the issue

also that list is filled with issues that were fixed ages ago and the posters are too lazy to close

[burnt matrix]

Ohhh, that’s a good point. I am one of the fortunate ones so I should keep that in mind.

I will admit that I had a couple of issues and if it wasn’t for the kind samaritans here to remind me I wouldn’t have reacted as quickly to retest and close.

Really awesome people in the community who are on top of things ❤️

[quaint dove]

Unfortunately, Sorg has no plans on extending the number of players past 6, so you'll need SNAC multitaps for those Saturn Bomberman parties.

[viral pebble]

Yeah Sorg and I had a long debate about this on GitHub lol. I tried guys! Nevertheless, having 1 6Player Adapter available in port 1 would be sufficient for the time being

[hallow fossil]

At this point it may be worth raising feature requests for things the core is currently lacking with any helpful info for implementing. There may be some things not on srg320's radar, and good to have things logged. I was going to see if there was any decent documentation for the keyboard that could have support added.

[thorn pagoda]

there's one for lightguns and one for interlacing already i think?

[stone sky]

I think the core lacks aspect ratio options too

[serene thunder]

Maybe a flip screen option because Saturn games tend to TATE in the opposite direction as modern PC displays?

Prob trickier than it seems

[thorn pagoda]

we need the queen of aspect ratios to have a pass at it

[quaint dove]

We have a queen of aspect ratios?

I didn't vote for her

[acoustic sable]

Oooh you're gonna be in trou-ou-ou-ble

[quaint dove]

strange women lying in ponds distributing aspect ratios is no basis for a system of graphic scaling

Supreme pixel timings power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony