Sega Saturn

[burnt matrix]

There’s a bios setting you can turn on

It’ll automatically download the right bios

[quiet bobcat]

is this setting on the ini or on the update all script?

[burnt matrix]

Update all script itself

Push up I think to enter the options

[quiet bobcat]

oh ok, thanks!]

[burnt matrix]

Ok, it’s called “boom.rom” for me.

I’m also doing something unique where I have different folders for different regions, like Europe, Japan, and USA

[quiet bobcat]

ok, i'll delete the file and run the update all to see if it will download

[burnt matrix]

I use different bios for different regions so in those folders it’s named cd_bios.rom

[quiet bobcat]

my saturn folder were empty, but i dont recall running the update all

the last time i installed the system

[burnt matrix]

Yeah the bios needs to be in /media/fat/games/saturn

Same folder where you add your games

[quiet bobcat]

thanks Robby, later today i'll update my situation here

[burnt matrix]

Hope you get it sorted!

[gusty quest]

or just RGB scart on their normal TV

[kindred peak]

I'm in the US. RF was still king when I bought my Saturn. 😄

[humble epoch]

😆Saturn was the first console I didn’t have to use RF with.

[green swift]

I used RF all the way through PS2. On my 13” Emerson TV.

[drifting crown]

Here in Europe the Saturn only came with a scart lead. If you wanted rf (why?????) you had to buy a separate dongle

[wise brook]

rf is cool

It adds a really neat snowy effect to all the graphics

[kindred peak]

Composite lead in the US. I didn't have composite on any of my TVs, so it went into the AV jacks on my VCR, which then converted it to RF. Just how it was.

[hearty marten]

RF ❤️

[wise brook]

https://tenor.com/view/r-f-final-ready-adrian-pcc-intermodal-gif-2161443238220453770

[humble epoch]

I was playing Lunar on the latest unstable dual ram core when the OSD just decided to pop up for no reason I could discern. Anyone have anything like that happen before? I am wondering if it is just the core acting up or if there is something going on with my M30.

[burnt matrix]

If it only happened once I would ignore it. The core wouldn’t act up as it has no concept of anything that exists outside of it so it would either be you accidentally pressing it or the controller.

[humble epoch]

Thanks. That is what I was thinking. I was using it over 2.4g and I have definitely had issues using it with the analog dock before.

[tawny forge]

I have ZERO tolerance for ghost inputs on any joystick or input device. I would throw it in the trash bin if that happens even once in a lifetime

[burnt matrix]

Yeah I have Zero Tolerance for the Sega MegaDrive too. Cool game!

[twin canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-sophia-the-robot-xset-shookt-stunned-gif-27221413

[burnt matrix]

Been doing more deep dives on the Saturn library

Savaki and G Vector are neat

[kindred peak]

Did you play Battle Monsters yet?

it's jank, but really creative jank

Speaking of: @burnt matrix - have you played Amok for the Saturn? As a game dev you might find it fascinating. It got talked about for its technical achievements with voxels at the time.

[burnt matrix]

Oh yeah baybeee, one of the first games I put on my Saturn!

I love voxel technology.

That game is pretty fun too.

[leaden dagger]

Has there been any activity from SRG. He kinda went dark about 20 days or so ago

[ancient fractal]

He committed some LA captures a week or so ago

https://github.com/srg320/Saturn_hw/commits/main/

[rich violet]

And a fix for TurboGrafx16 last week
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/TurboGrafx16_MiSTer/commit/d1f1e1fe5902a8adf7b43988251f4dcde131ae14

[serene thunder]

Amok & Scorcher = Jesper Kyd music

[burnt matrix]

I tried Scorcher but really didn’t like it. Should I try again?

[serene thunder]

Probably not, but the music is like a warehouse rave

[kindred peak]

Scorcher is another cool technical demo, but not a very enjoyable racer.

[burnt matrix]

Impact Racing is a fun racing game / shooter hybrid that no one talks about.

[plush jetty]

If you like that artist, adventures of Batman and Robin on Mega Drive is amazing

[serene thunder]

Yeah that's another tech heavy game I don't find very fun
Great music, crazy graphical tricks, but kind of a slog

[thin swan]

Is it correct 05/20 is the latest update ? thanks!

[burnt matrix]

Yes, correct. 🍻

[pearl harbor]

Helpful Robby is best Robby. Though instigator Robby is also a delightful scamp.

[hearty marten]

Robby is not a good person

…

…

He’s great!

[topaz mica]

Great soundtracks. I really enjoy Amok (though I preferthe DOS version for the higher framerates)...good 'ol voxels.

Kyd also did Sub Terrania

[simple hound]

Have the new updates changed anything om the 2.5 sdram situation yet?

[mortal mist]

no

there has been no new core for 3 weeks

[thorn pagoda]

yeah i guess srg is either working on something really tricky, or having a well deserved break 🙂

[safe trail]

Are there still issues logged in the GutHub which are no longer issues ? (This was the case when I checked a few weeks ago.) Maybe he's waiting for those to be re-checked and closed.

[thorn pagoda]

didn't a bunch close with the latest core?

[mortal mist]

Unclosed bug reports on github have never been a problem, there are still a lot of confirmed and new bugs

[hallow fossil]

Following on from conversation the other day about ram expansion carts, here are a list of games here that use either a 1MB or 4MB cart.

My understanding is that on original hardware if a game needs 1MB cart then it needs that cart, and it won't work with a 4MB one (why modern cards have a switch).

Has anyone done any testing in the core to see if you do need to have 1MB games set to that to run, or they run with 4MB set?

https://racketboy.com/retro/sega-saturn-games-that-use-1mb4mb-ram

[thorn pagoda]

i thought it was only a couple of games that glitch out if given 4mb instead of 1mb

i seem to vaguely recall metalslugs one of them

[hallow fossil]

That is very likely the case, I haven't dug into this stuff on Saturn for many years

[topaz mica]

I don't recall many games having an issue with 4MB cart left inserted

[hallow fossil]

I am not sure if a list of these problem games is out there

[topaz mica]

but its been a few years since I tested (my Saturn is boxed up)

[thorn pagoda]

bit of discussion here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/SegaSaturn/comments/xy2w6s/can_i_use_a_4mb_cart_for_games_that_only_require/

https://typicalgeek.blogspot.com/2012/06/saturn-metal-slug-another-look.html

Real Bout Fatal Fury - Everything seemed fine until I went to fight Blue Mary. Her dog in the fight intro was a jumbled mess. When I knocked Mary out of the stage boundary, she turned into a similar mess of pixels. Tons of Sokaku’s effects during fights are a mess. Overall it’s playable but there are some pretty distracting glitches.

Real Bout Fatal Fury Special - A few minor glitches that are on screen for less than a second during some screen transitions. Not really noticeable unless you’re looking for them.

Metal Slug - No graphical glitches that I noticed but it is very much slowed down. Metal Slug always had some slowdown, even on the MVS/AES versions but with the 4 MB cart it’s much worse. It’s a good port but if you’ve already paid for Metal Slug on the Saturn, get a real 1 MB cart to go with it.

Samurai Spirits 3 - Nothing seems off at all. The AI is absolutely brutal.

Samurai Spirits 4 - Pretty severe graphical glitches. Worse than Real Bout. I wouldn’t recommend trying to play this masterpiece without the 1 MB cart.```

[topaz mica]

Yea, I've never played any of those on Saturn outside Metal Slug. Must be why I don't remember any issues 🙃 Interesting to know about the slow down.

[thorn pagoda]

i do wonder if the core will have the same behaviors or not though

since possibly the important difference was in timings and not just size?

[hallow fossil]

That would be interesting for someone to do some deep dive testing on

[topaz mica]

yea

[hallow fossil]

If there are then maybe it makes sense to have an XML file that will set the ram based on the game, similar to how N64 core does. However it may not be an issue on the core, so needs investigation.

[ripe valley]

I've done that for several emulators years ago.
The list is internal for Medafen. Kronos and NOVA have an external list.

[thorn pagoda]

are there any games that require a memory card (as apposed to the internal memory)?

oh right ofc someones already worked this all out 🙂

[ripe valley]

Tamagotchi Park.

The card have an internal save that is set in factory, but we can recreate it since 2021 and some RE.

[hallow fossil]

Does the core support saving for games that require memory card saving?

[ripe valley]

Not at the moment.

[thorn pagoda]

a database file like n64s might be good to add later if there's room

just for quality of life

[ripe valley]

Gimme a second.

[hallow fossil]

I am wondering what could all be set with a database file. BIOS could be nice, so have a range of boot.rom files in the BIOS DB and have the correct one selected by the file instead of relying on unibios or having to set up subfolder ones yourself

[ripe valley]

The database that was done for the software emulators.

Detection with the internal header.

[hallow fossil]

Interesting that Metal Slug is listed in 4MB instead of 1MB

[ripe valley]

SNK corrected some later games and they could work with either 1MB or 4MB.

Only some earlier releases from SNK have problems with the 4MB card.

So we decided to set it like that.

[hallow fossil]

Do you use any database files to set anything else?

[ripe valley]

Nope.

There is a second database for emulators that could do SEGA TITAN/STV, but not possible with the core.

[hallow fossil]

Do you just use unibios for everything?

[ripe valley]

From the about 500 releases that I've tested so far on the core, the sole troubles that I've encountered :

• Some European games can't boot with the Hi-Saturn 1.01 region free version, but could work with the 1.03 one (WarCraft II and Lemmings 3D);
• Die Hard Trilogy refuses to boot when using a region free BIOS, so I took the problem in reverse and patched the game header to accept all regions and revisions of a Saturn BIOS.

[hallow fossil]

So does everything work fine with 1.03?

[ripe valley]

I can't stand for sure as nobody have tested all games so far on the core.

But on my current tests, everything that I've thrown so far to the core boots with a Hi-Saturn 1.03 region free BIOS (except Die Hard Trilogy that I've patched).

[hallow fossil]

If we were to get one added to the BIOS DB then 1.03 seems to be the best option though?

[ripe valley]

Logically, but I won't take a decision and that will probably need to be discussed and tested thoroughly at a later time.

And you will have some people that want 'nostalgia' and only use a specific BIOS.

Some prefer the EU or USA sounds and animations on other more regular BIOS.

[hallow fossil]

It would be good to get one added with the core now in Main, nothing stopping people using a different one or having sub folder ones

[ripe valley]

Yeah.

[hallow fossil]

Seems to make sense to just get 1.03 added so it is dumped in root for anyone who hasn't added their own

[ripe valley]

Just a reminder that I've done my tests with a region free hacked version.
But the region ALL option on the core should work the same.

Lunch break is over, I gotta go.
I just hope that some of my replies could help you for some future decisions or some ideas for the future that could emerge.

[ripe valley]

I will redo some tests on Metal Slug later, just to be sure that we have the correct info.

[burnt matrix]

If you were the remove all the fighting and shmups from the Saturn library how many games would you have left over? 4, maybe 6?

[mortal mist]

One

Virtual Hydlide

[leaden dagger]

couple hundred I guess
Because a lot of side scrollers

[warped saddle]

dayyyyyytonnnnnnaaaaaaaaa

[burnt matrix]

Ok that’s 1 out of the 6 games

[gusty quest]

as long as i can play Outrun and Powerdrift i am happy

[rich violet]

Sega Rally

[burnt matrix]

Damn we’re up to 5 games now.

[gusty quest]

Afterburner, Space Harrier

Nights

[burnt matrix]

Sorry, the other games don’t qualify but I’ll take Nights

We got our 6 games

[gusty quest]

clockwork Knight

[burnt matrix]

we met quota!

[trim nimbus]

rock paper scissors?

[pearl harbor]

Bug! and Bug Too!

[drowsy hull]

still more than n64!

[serene thunder]

JP library has a lot of games worth playing, even though many are arcade ports

[burnt matrix]

Vatlava for the Saturn is pretty cool. It’s like a prototype Car Battler Joe.

It’s a deep cut reference inside of a deep cut reference. I am king nerd!

[ripe valley]

I've seen the slowdown on Metal Slug with the 4MB card.

So, the list was incorrect and we will need to change the value and only use the 1MB card further also on SW emus.

[hallow fossil]

Ah, funny that one was missed. I will pin that post so people know which games should be set to 1MB

[drowsy hull]

huh, always thought kof96 was rom as well

[ripe valley]

Some other games could support the 1MB/4MB cards but only as optional.
Like with Cotton 2/Boomerang.

[ripe valley]

Only KOF95 have a ROM, I can understand the misinterpretation and you're not the only one.

For KOF95 and Ultraman, I'm using hacked versions of those games with the data reinjected inside the ISOs.

So, I don't need to manage a separate file for launching them.

[drowsy hull]

ah, my confusion stems from the double pack. Never notices it bein rom+ram cart

[ancient surge]

It's always been weird how there are all these cartridges that are meant to enhance games, but SEGA themselves have never used them in any of their games.

[serene thunder]

Those Capcom arcade ports would have been killer apps back then, though it may have been too late outside of Japan

[burnt matrix]

Sega always has a lot of amazing ideas; really forward thinking stuff. The problem is that they never knew how to execute on a cohesive vision for it all. It always felt a little like they were throwing things against the wall to see what would stick.

I don’t know where I was going with that comment lol.

[serene thunder]

Dreamcast is a great example of letting artists run wild

Lots of Visions on that console

[warped saddle]

Fever dreams are also Visions

[serene thunder]

yep

[ancient fractal]

There were rumors of a SEGA expansion cartridge in some shape or form during the years.. First I heard of it was for making a VF3 port possible. That may have actually been developed, but I’m unsure if it was ever confirmed in an interview..?

Much later similar rumors, or maybe more likely “made up retroactive mythology”, made the rounds of a similar expansion existing for Shenmue.

I’m unsure how a meaningful compute/graphics accelerator could work for Saturn, but who knows. More RAM is always nice of course.

[plush pelican]

what games have y'all been playing on the Saturn core?

[quick sorrel]

Is that a manual process or an archived thing?

[ripe valley]

Manual process as far as I know.
YZB's 4MB hacks

[quick sorrel]

Stuff people do is so cool. Genuinely impressed.

[naive whale]

That was Sega and Lockheed

Lockheed had the contract for a “64 bit” (just what they called it. Not like it expanded the bus) expansion cart. Offshoot of Model hardware. But apparently it didn’t get much further than paper

[kindred peak]

Did that Saturn Shenmue version that surfaced not use any kind of RAM expansion?

Maybe it was just the footage that surfaced. 🤔

[naive whale]

Just footage

Prototype has never been found. I’ve never heard any rumors of it being out there

Sega was basically casting a wide net. Lockheed with a Saturn expansion. 3DO for the M2. 3DFX for Black Belt. No surprise they went broke. So much R&D for no payoff

[trim nimbus]

Well, don’t forget they were also bankrolling the jaguar as well

[quick sorrel]

Still think it was a tad crazy that military hardware was used for gaming hardware (not entirely sure how but Lockheed is the only name I recall doing that)

[burnt matrix]

I actually worked with the people who helped design Sega’s Model 2.

It was really GE and Martin Marietta

In the 90s simulation companies had the best tech for 3D

Late 80s early 90s

I worked with Bob Hichborn who sold the deal to Sega

Desert Tank was their game they made together

[naive whale]

Namco

they had Evans and Sutherland build the 3D chipset for boards. They were a flight sim contractor to the government

https://www.es.com/

they are still out there doing cool shit

[serene thunder]

If only we had gotten an Earnest Evans sequel on Saturn

[quick sorrel]

That’s cool 😃 Most I ever did relating to arcade HW was interpreting for Sega guys who did F-Zero AX hardware configuration and programming (I think that’s what they did 😅)

[quiet bobcat]

hey man, ran the update_all and it download a lot of bios, but didnt downloaded the saturn one

https://github.com/theypsilon/Update_All_MiSTer?tab=readme-ov-file

i ran this script

got the neogeo one working tho

[hallow fossil]

There isn't a Saturn BIOS in the DB currently, I think the High Saturn 1.03 should be added, as mentioned earlier everything seems to work with it

[quiet bobcat]

how it should be named?

on the folder?

also i'm only using 1 128mb ram module

[hallow fossil]

Name your BIOS file boot.rom.

[quiet bobcat]

i keep getting a black screen, but thanks for the help

[serene thunder]

Anyone try these out?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_Tank

iykyk

[mortal mist]

Your problem is that your file is called boot.rom.bin. You can see this in the video you posted earlier. You have invisible file extensions

[quick sorrel]

👏 Nice catch @mortal mist That’s a real easy miss unless you’ve got hidden extensions disabled.

[mortal mist]

Now I read , that this is not the problem. Even after loading the bios manually, there is still a black screen/

sorry for the confusion

[quick sorrel]

Aww, thought someone figured it out 😅

[scarlet goblet]

Has anyone ever made a video of the Metal Slug slowdown? Some people claim they can't see it.

[chrome mica]

Metal slug needs the 1mb card, 4mb will give slow downs

[quiet bobcat]

Oh i've tried that and with the correct boot.rom file extension

Neither worked

Maybe my RAM module? Its v2.2

[mortal mist]

2.2 ?

official 128mb is 2.4/2.5/2.9 or 3.0

2.2 is 32mb

Saturn needs 128mb

[quiet bobcat]

Well thats the issue then

They sold it as a 128mb

Its a new module, bought it last month, just got it tested now

Now i really see it has only one chip

Everything works fine tho

But the saturn one

[mortal mist]

Neo Geo MVS/AES 97 Yes Requires up to the 128MB module, depending on the game
Nintendo 64 (N64) 63 Yes Requires up to the 128MB module, depending on the game

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Wiki_MiSTer/wiki/Cores-that-use-SDRAM

[quiet bobcat]

Oh thanks

I'll buy another one soon!

[mortal mist]

don't buy versions below 2.9

saturn has problem with older 2.4/2.5 modules

[quiet bobcat]

Ok

[kindred peak]

You just remind me! I made a Quake save, and I'm going to rename it for Duke3d to get it to show up. Saves shooting toilets. 😄

[mortal mist]

I think that soon we will get a fix for sdram 2.5 🙂

core posted by srg320 on github for testing https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/33#issuecomment-2160567461 , https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/37#issuecomment-2160565531

[ripe valley]

Sorry for the late reply, I don't feel well today (and probably will need to stay some time at home or the hospital).
I could illustrate partially with that video though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIDOYplGwmE

From my part, I noticed some differences between the cards with loading times and certain animations which render 1 frame out of two what is needed on heavy scenes.

I leave the next core (re)tests to kuba and the others, good luck.

[tawny pendant]

I upgraded my RAM so I can't test it now!!! I hope this works for those on the older versions.

[tawny forge]

2.5ram fix is in guys!!! 🎉

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/63#issuecomment-2160838268

[thorn pagoda]

probably still worth people with newer ram checking it for regressions

[cunning citrus]

Very nice!

[wise brook]

i’m hoping this solves the Grandia flickering issue I have

Won’t be able to to test for about four hours

[mortal mist]

Works fine here 2.9

[thorn pagoda]

very cool

[hallow fossil]

It is strongly advised not to buy MiSTer add ons, especially ram, from untrusted sellers and especially not from Ali Express. You really don't know what you are getting.

[mortal steppe]

Seems that test version fixed all my issues!!!! Great Work Sergey!!!!

SDRAM 2.4

[ancient surge]

So the new build just completely overhauled how the RAM works?

[wise brook]

hard to tell, there’s not enough details been shared

[mortal mist]

Yeah , just wait for official release

There will probably be more changes

[naive whale]

ooh interesting

whats the story?

[mortal mist]

#1046941029296779344 message

[naive whale]

Fun stuff

[pearl harbor]

Is it Saturnday!? It's Saturnday isn't it!?

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/nope-brennan-huff-step-brothers-no-not-at-all-gif-16704124883174027526

[kind quarry]

for people on the Mister Multisystem (MMS), i just installed the updated ram model (2.9v). i’ve seen all games working on the core more consistently. It’s expensive to add, and cutting out the old ram module is annoying without real tools (i didn’t have a dremel tool so i had to saw it out with a small serrated blade), but once installed everything worked perfectly

https://ultimatemister.com/product/bga-128mb-multisystem/

[analog totem]

oooh ram fixes on the core? Paging Mr. @gloomy hedge , this build might be worth a test - #1046941029296779344 message

[alpine pagoda]

Seems like this works for me on MMS, and I ordered a new ram board yesterday, so I guess you're all welcome 😂

[wise brook]

people made purchases to hit a moving target

[safe trail]

Can anybody test this on the Saturn core ?
https://x.com/TZMWXdiyer/status/1800170935145898397

TZMWX (@TZMWXdiyer) on X

今天TPU给SAROO制作了一个CD音轨PQ通道的 Index测试版固件。
你的世嘉土星ODE支持这个功能吗？
如何测试？
运行Taito Chase H.Q. + S.C.I. (Japan)，进入OPTION，选择MC，调节00-40。

正常的情况为：选择06，10，应该只有一秒的一句男声

如果是女声，或是超过1秒的其它声音则代表不支持Index

Twitter · Jun 10, 2024, 2:19 PM

"Today TPU has made a test version of the Index firmware for the PQ channel of the CD audio track for SAROO.
Does your Sega Saturn ODE support this function?
How to test?
Run Taito Chase HQ + SCI (Japan), enter OPTION, select MC, and adjust 00-40.

Normal situation: Select 06, 10, there should be only one sentence of male voice for one second

If it is a female voice, or other sounds longer than 1 second, it means that Index is not supported."

[ripe valley]

Simple test, I could help. Works on the core with a BIN/CUE dump.

[safe trail]

So it's working correctly ?

[rotund steeple]

Yep, it works fine on the Saturn core. On the Saroo though it has some regressions with other games.

[burnt matrix]

Oh interesting, Saturn core more accurate than hardware ODE

[rotund steeple]

It's still WIP on real hardware via Saroo. I guess it will be fixed soon.

[burnt matrix]

Oh interesting. Saturn core the official core endorsed by Tenacious D.

[hearty marten]

It’s not the greatest core in the world. It’s just a tribute

[tawny forge]

Saturn core is NOW COMPLETE!!!!

Shitty RAM owners REJOICE!!

[pearl harbor]

But I need muh lightgun support!

[serene thunder]

And Movie Card

nevar forget

[rotund steeple]

Cheats!

[serene thunder]

Ohshit, Jack Black typing

I have waited for this day

[wise brook]

https://tenor.com/view/snake-salute-mgs3-gif-9277925

in memory of @gloomy hedge who never made it to this day

[trim nimbus]

and 480i support

and netlink

[wise brook]

and ナビ support

[trim nimbus]

that would be hilarious

“I don’t have carplay, I just use my sega saturn core for maps”

[hallow fossil]

Amazing if we are getting closer to a stable and feature filled build now, hopefully there is a bit of space left for things like cheats.

[drowsy hull]

winners don't use drugs

[wise brook]

“you don’t understand, with the power of my crt and MiSTer saturn core i get ZERO frames of lag with my satnav”

[drowsy hull]

the usual things like cd speed would be nice

[trim nimbus]

“are you tired of your navigation system telling you to turn after you pass the road…”

[hallow fossil]

What features are missing at this stage that seems like they could be doable?
Cheats
SNAC light gun support
Virtual mouse light gun support

Anything else?

[trim nimbus]

I am serious about netlink…that would be amazing

I never assembled my dreampi to get my actual saturn online

then @naive whale could do a video about how bad @burnt matrix is at Sega Rally 😉

[serene thunder]

It's interesting that Saroo seems able to speed loadtimes up so much
Wonder how fast data can be sent to the core

[wise brook]

it’s no small task,
you have somehow fit a recreation of, at least the bare net link adapter functions, into the FPGA, and pipe the modulated game data out the snac port into a rpi or mt-32 pi like solution

that’s gonna likely require a next generation fpga

[trim nimbus]

it might be possible to cheat a little, much like the dreampi itself, but that is beyond my paygrade.

[wise brook]

there’s possibly something cooking on the Shiro! discord, one of the great hackers wants to find a way to bypass the netlink altogether

[trim nimbus]

don’t technically need the modem, just the registers in the cart responding correctly, so I imagine it something more akin to the IDE implementation…can pass the data to the arm side to transmit and receive

but, once again, I am making it sound super easy and simple, which it very much isn’t

[drowsy hull]

just a few wires put between saturn and a pigeon

[trim nimbus]

even an RFC that will tell you how to implement it! https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc2549

[drowsy hull]

should be easy enough for the world's biggest saturn fan (Robby) to do

[trim nimbus]

problem with that down here in Texas is those pigeons don’t tend to make it far with all those ranchers and their .22s

[wise brook]

no change on Grandia folks

https://tenor.com/view/smoke-anime-cowboy-bebop-gif-15630140

[burnt matrix]

I’m so good at this game, don’t be jealous

I am king Sega rally

[gloomy hedge]

@analog totem was my evil mister summoned to produce evil results ?

[gloomy hedge]

Also pshhhhh come on, where's the proof Robert, lemme see 1st place + 1st place

[analog totem]

new core build that supposedly fixes bad boy ram

[gloomy hedge]

I'm here with 3.00 gangsta ram ready to chew up a Saturn core and spit it out

Actually so uh guys I have bad news

[hearty carbon]

the weapons on this game were great

[gloomy hedge]

Because the 486 core has been so interesting, I downloaded all the DOS games and I ran out of space so I just deleted all my Saturn games off my mister since I wasn't using them

[analog totem]

put one problematic game back on and try it for science

[halcyon mica]

thanks for linking this. It is the first Saturn core that runs Cotton 2 properly. Music and Sound both play fine and the demo loop no longer crashes

I am using a v2.5 ram module

[pearl harbor]

Dang it Aktane! You're our crash test dummy! We need you to suffer for science!

[serene thunder]

Some of those games have really good artwork

[burnt matrix]

I am a humble and respectful person. I don't want to shame everyone else.

[stone sky]

On Aliexpress You can buy it from @steel salmon , I have 3 misters of it and I've never had any problems with the Saturn core, Or other cores.

[gloomy hedge]

Your game is my command

[burnt matrix]

I am going to test the linked build from earlier

at some point today, I never had issues with games though

so at least it'll provide some baseline

[gloomy hedge]

Will do sometime soon but I'm unfortunately away at work today and tomorrow

But you have my word

Cotton 2 will probably be my test

[small gust]

That's sad to hear, well, hopefully someday it will get fixed.

[prisma wraith]

still using 2.4 😩

[wise brook]

then this is for you too

[prisma wraith]

USB support for specific peripheral emulation like the mission stick and sega arcade racer wheel?

[prisma wraith]

will have to wait until after i move to try it, but thats exciting! just caught up on the rest of the thread and saw some other 2.4 users said it works 🎉

[drowsy hull]

indeed it does

[wise brook]

one of us

one of us

[hallow fossil]

If core doesn't support those, then those seem like doable nice to haves

[wise brook]

ram 3.0 sales be like

https://tenor.com/view/not-stonks-profit-down-sad-frown-arms-crossed-gif-15684535

[trim nimbus]

Speaking of sega rally https://x.com/PandaMoniumGR/status/1799565695908274525

PandaMonium Reviews Every U.S. Sega Saturn Game (@PandaMoniumGR) on X

Premiering live on Saturnday June 15th at 3:00pm EST, a more than four hour look at Sega Rally Championship for the Sega Saturn! Featuring many translated Japanese TV clips, videos, magazine articles — and some original interviews. On Patreon NOW for early access.

Twitter · Jun 8, 2024, 10:14 PM

[inner kayak]

I reference this IETF RFC often, to drive home the point that the medium for distributed messaging between programs/computers can be Anything, depending on your applications’ tolerance for latency

[sage minnow]

just want to report saturn finally works with my old ass 32MB RAM

[lofty spire]

so having 3.0 ram should be good for Saturn correct? i just looked up what memory i had cause i couldn't remember

[thorn pagoda]

yeah for sure, you were fine before, todays changes are for much older ram

[tawny forge]

I bet it works even with that super crappy 4-chip version now 🤣

[thorn pagoda]

ehhh, maybe not

saturn uses complex interleaving

[tawny forge]

That’s stretching it too much lol

[thorn pagoda]

kinda surprised to hear it works on single-chip 32mb boards now actually now i think about it

[tawny forge]

Wut is that true?

[thorn pagoda]

maybe it doesn't use complex interleaving

[tawny forge]

I thought it was a troll

[thorn pagoda]

@sage minnow just said so ... yeah i guess idk if that was a joke or not

pretty obscure joke if so

[sage minnow]

no it's true

tested Bomberman Fight

anything i should test?

[wise brook]

sega rally

see if the music cuts out

[sage minnow]

ok, i'll try that

[tawny forge]

WTF 😱

[lofty spire]

sometimes updates are like magic

[tawny forge]

Readme needs update then

[sage minnow]

uhh i load Sega Rally and it says Drive door open

[warped saddle]

close your door

you live in a barn?

[sage minnow]

i got the non-barn mister case

[ancient surge]

Probably would be smart to wait till the updates go into the update_all script to avoid potential confusion.

[wise brook]

what size ram does the ps1 require again btw

[tawny forge]

32mb I believe

[sage minnow]

i use PS1 with no problem

[wise brook]

sometimes you gotta hit reset

[sage minnow]

only thing i can't play is some Neo Geo and some N64

[lofty spire]

Neo Geo is one of the reasons i was interested in mister so i absolutely wanted to get the best ram when building it lol

[sage minnow]

not working, i'll try another image

[serene thunder]

We had issues early on where people seemed to get better results from the RAM modules after cleaning them thoroughly with iso
Like flux residue may have been a factor?

It was a mystery

[lofty spire]

cosmic radiation flipped a bit

[wise brook]

matching the planetary orbit of the actual Saturn

[sinful verge]

I can also report that build is good with my 2.5 ram. Sega rally, cotton 2, vampire savior, etc. Amazing. I believed srg can fix. Thank you 🎉

[sage minnow]

this is what the game normally looks like right

[tawny forge]

Yep! You need 128MB lol

[sage minnow]

outrun works normally, that's all i care about

[wise brook]

there’s a bunch of 2.5 ram modules floating around eBay for cheap now, as people are selling them after upgrading to the 3.0 probably for the Sega Sutton core

fools!

now there all for the taking

[naive whale]

Finally I can stop asking people what ram module they are using in comments haha

[pearl harbor]

This is today's build right? #1046941029296779344 message

[warped saddle]

hopefully you won't have to ask them which mister board they're using in comments!

[thick oriole]

I still had issues with Sega Rally, but then realized that I was probably using a non-Redump version. Swapped to that and it worked quite well. Even managed to finish, even if I didn't place first.

2.5 RAM.

[burnt matrix]

Depends, who's asking?

[trim nimbus]

Joe

[safe trail]

Oh, is this build a little easier on the RAM modules, and plays nicely with the older ones (2.5) ?

[pearl harbor]

You friend Bug! is asking! He really wants to know.

[burnt matrix]

Yes that’s the latest! I love bug!!

Ok I’m playing with the new Ram build. Any games I should look at.

I never had ram issues so this is likely just me confirming stuff is still wonky or still works.

[pearl harbor]

Do I really need to tell you to test Bug!?

[burnt matrix]

Ok I will test Bug

[pearl harbor]

Huzzah!

[burnt matrix]

🎶🎷🐛

[pearl harbor]

That bug is saxy.

As far as games that historically gave people trouble, Sega Rally and Cotton 2 seem to come up a lot.

[trim nimbus]

DOA would randomly freeze on my early ram

[burnt matrix]

Sega Rally running like a champ

I freaking fell in Bug lol

Ok I made it to Raidou without losing a single match in DoA and he worked me over lol

I was ruining everyone’s day as Jann Lee

No crashes, just two spots where the action slowed down but it never lasted longer than a second

Ok o destroyed him on the rematch

I love that you die at the end lmao

Itagaki: Thanks for inputting your initials, get fukkd

Cotton 2 shows you a lady in a thong for beating a level wtf lol

Also it screams at you when you start the game

Ok I got to the third stage and realized I could turn on auto core. This game is three times better now.

No issues that I can tell.

[serene thunder]

Do both BUG games not have shadows under the characters?

[burnt matrix]

Bug 1 does not have shadows but Bug Too does

[serene thunder]

OK, I'll play 2 eventually then

No shadows in 3D platforming is nutty

[quick sorrel]

She’s a fairy. All fairies wear skimpy stuff 🤷‍♂️

[sacred goblet]

I have 2.9 ram but i m very happy for 2.5 owner if srg320 finally fix the issue with this version of ram!

[delicate mantle]

https://youtu.be/-nwWpQJFGp8?si=1sy0nebMK_Weihbh

Watching this, good stuff.

Letting radient silvergun run on the new core to see if it's still randomly stalling during attract mode.

[wise brook]

this is the saturn page

we watch Pandemonium reviews while doing our soak tests thankyouverymuch

[mortal mist]

worked ok for 2h, at least for me 🙂

[drowsy hull]

People denying progress and despising dual ram builds while gladly replacing their single ram whenever a new rev came out 😥

[visual grove]

I mean the characters are named after panty materials. It’s very..japanese?

[wise brook]

the calls coming from the department

[brittle pecan]

Same! I recently got my snac adapter and lightgun...patiently waiting for the update

[burnt matrix]

They are? LOL I didn’t know.

[burnt matrix]

Does Bug really classify as a 3D platformer? lol

[visual grove]

Actually TBH I didn’t realize this on my own. Sentient mentioned it a couple years ago and I was surprised I hadn’t noticed the pervy reference

[burnt matrix]

Why are there so many pervy games for Saturn

[topaz mica]

2.5D ?

[burnt matrix]

I was being silly, haha. But I guess yeah it would be 2.5D for the most part,

[ancient surge]

SEGA policies were more loose when it came to sexual content, which is why the SEGA Saturn had several 18+ games on there.

This was before CERO even existed in Japan, so there was no universal limit on what you could put on a system. Different console manufacturers had different standards as a result.

[burnt matrix]

I appreciate the educated and insightful answer.

But at the same time I gave a perfect lay-up to dunk on Saturn fans. Now I’m left with the truth instead of hilarious fiction.

[serene thunder]

With the Saturn core, people are realizing that the console ruled and just got shafted in the west
Something known by brave souls who have been playing the JP library since early days

Robby's dunks turn into bricks

[burnt matrix]

[serene thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-monke-monkey-playing-basketball-basketball-watermelon-gif-9607457690872267999

Wait, no that's still a dunk

That's how easy it USED TO be

[gusty quest]

I never liked the Saturn much on launch and having the core hasnt changed my opinion much but its a very decent way to explore the library now. I can also play the Sega super scaler arcade ports which is the best thing on it

[naive whale]

Saturn vid ready for 4

its been a min since a core update

[burnt matrix]

Oh cool what are you covering?

[naive whale]

better ram / testing diff games / your momma

[burnt matrix]

Noice

Are you going to show off good games or just play Bubble Symphony again?

[naive whale]

you just wait to see how I masterminded the greatest joke Ive ever told against you!

[burnt matrix]

lmaaaao

Just in case anyone gets mad I like bubble symphony lol

[trim nimbus]

fat baby dinos?

[naive whale]

they called @burnt matrix Baby D in HS and college but it didnt stand for Dino

[burnt matrix]

Goddamnit, I got destroyed in #1096015979055697940, not here too lol

Im getting run out of so many chats, I’m going to have to slum it in #1052057593654284329 with the nerds

[naive whale]

Straight to the MARS channel with you!

[gleaming lodge]

The Vapourware channel ??

[naive whale]

MARS is as real as @burnt matrix dignity!

[gleaming lodge]

Poor guy

[trim nimbus]

isrobbysdignityoutyet.com

[drifting crown]

Someone call an ambulance, those are some serious burns

[leaden dagger]

Did the Saturn core get updated?

[cursive ravine]

not since May 20th

[lost totem]

there's a test build posted in this GitHub issue
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/33#issuecomment-2160567461

[cursive ravine]

OMG RAM FIXES!?!?!

what a hidden gem omg thank you

I don't follow the chat closely so it's easy to miss

[old pasture]

Could anyone link me the latest core please?

Thanks in advance 😃

[cursive ravine]

https://github.com/user-attachments/files/15787273/Saturn.zip

[leaden dagger]

Well I'll be sure to install it if it ever gets a proper release in unstable

[untold spear]

someone let the dude with the cursed mister know

@gloomy hedge

[gloomy hedge]

Ok ok geez I'm home from work haha

Is that the correct above?

I'll try 💪🏽 right now

[untold spear]

👍

the final boss

[gloomy hedge]

what date is that rbf?

just so I keep shit organized

it be all like SATURN RBF

I'm just calling it June 12th

This core is Justin Wong and my Mister is Daigo

doing an update all and then y'all will see

COTTON 2 TEST:

https://tenor.com/view/chuck-thumb-thumbs-up-dodgeball-thank-you-chuck-norris-chuck-norris-gif-14567035

my mister has never played this game without failing

next - blast wind

some sound glitches at the beginning that werent on a real saturn]

nothing big

blast wind music started too late

but

no sound glitches!

seems totally fixed to me I'd give this a 9/10

Blast Wind Test: 🤘🏾

yeah so there is one weird audio static and then the music consistently starts late

not an ideal scenario, but playable and much better

Next - sega rally

1st place on championship

extra stage

damnit second on lake side

did not unlock the stratos

sega rally seems to be working just fine 10/10

some graphical stuff that feels a little odd compared to my saturn but I thin kthe retrotink is covering that shit up

[burnt matrix]

heh

[gloomy hedge]

😦

I suck

robby rules

layer section 2 next but honestly

it seems this core is legit

[burnt matrix]

ok no you can’t do that, because now I feel bad and have to admit I’m joking and you’re better at this game than me

Stop using cheat codes against me

[gloomy hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/wink-fallon-gif-1663892957304895027

Layer section 2 is perfect

[quaint dove]

I’m so lazy I’m using wget over ssh from my iPhone to update

[soft quarry]

does anyone know where i could fine the latest saturn test build (srg320) that fixes the v2.5 ram issue?

[quaint dove]

As long as it works

[quaint dove]

@soft quarry

[soft quarry]

Thank you so much..

[quaint dove]

Radiant Silvergun seems to not lock up for me now

[gloomy hedge]

this core gets a huge thumbs up from me

I havent found a single issue

but I havent tested many games

so far I'd give it a proper : #1046941029296779344 message

[frail token]

are there any github issues that have been fixed by this core

[gloomy hedge]

I'll have my buddy with is old as fuck original mister give this a shot

extremely well done to SRG and the team

amazing shit

core is dope af, now I have to decide if I regret getting a fenrir satrun with a retro tink let me think about that

|| no ||

but im super happy about this core

awesome job

it doesnt need to be perfect but even if it plays like 85% of these games and many of these shmups that literally have no way of playing them without input lag

it is absolutely massive

[quaint dove]

Now to try Thunderforce V

[analog totem]

hell yeah man, great to hear that mostly fixed your issues

[frail token]

I wonder what current compatibility is

[gloomy hedge]

for these handful it fixed ALL of my issues and introduced 2 small regressions in blast wind that are fixable I am sure

but yeah tell all your friends, core wins, robby wins, aktane's mister wins

the only loser is aktane himself

[serene thunder]

He looks like he's wearing a dead skin mask

[gloomy hedge]

until I beat sega rally properly 😦 damn lakeside

[tawny forge]

Well if this version works flawlessly on @gloomy hedge ‘s setup then it’s really a bulletproof release

[gloomy hedge]

someone ring the bell

[quaint dove]

Does TFV have slowdown on real hardware? Only played it on PS1 before.

[gloomy hedge]

I recall it having quite a lot on my saturn but its been a while, get at me another day and I'll test it for you

also sorry @burnt matrix this is supposed to go in SHARE MEDIA

my finger slipped tho

oops

[quaint dove]

What are the games? Some I don’t recognize.

[burnt matrix]

Really cool compilation, thank you for sharing !

[gloomy hedge]

o my bad in order: Cotton 2, Blast Wind, Sega Rally, Layer Section 2 AKA RayStorm, SoukyuGurentai aka Terra Diver

[alpine pagoda]

Had the same results as @gloomy hedge on my mms, cotton 2, sega rally, music in nights, all worked, never worked before. Big thumbs up.

[burnt matrix]

It’s so awesome seeing the core work for more people! 🥳

[lofty spire]

Saturn start up sound intensifies

[serene thunder]

You see the beauty of the JP library
Back then the CPS arcade ports were also a huge win

Still worth playing for the extras

Zero 3 is so good

[burnt matrix]

Ah yes the Japanese Saturn library is so good thanks to gems like, * checks notes *, Jungle Park: Saturn Island?

[burnt matrix]

How come no one talks about the hidden gem Digital Dance Mix Vol. 1? It’s made by AM2! 🤯

[quick sorrel]

It was big in Japan at the time cuz one of the biggest pop stars in the country was the star of it. But outside Japan it didn’t matter 🤪

[burnt matrix]

Why do you know about this game

[quick sorrel]

Well, Namie Amuro was arguably the biggest pop star in Japan at the time and being into games and her music, I noticed it when it came out. But I’m not really into rhythm games so I never played it.

[safe trail]

Oh wow... Namie Amuro. Every song sounds the same.

The first song was fresh and new at the time... but wow, repetition

[burnt matrix]

[gloomy hedge]

Ayeee

[lusty rapids]

is it actually a rhythm game or just a tech demo with some minigames (that aren't rhythm games)

looking at youtoobs the main is just watching her 3d model perform to the music without any play

[burnt matrix]

[quick sorrel]

Most artists tend to sound similar throughout their careers. Do tell, what was her first song?

[safe trail]

Hmm, I'd have to look it up. But I heard it back in 1997

[quick sorrel]

It would have been much before that. But anyway, Saturn~

[safe trail]

Not much. The album I got at the time was Sweet 19 Blues (1996)

[burnt matrix]

[quick sorrel]

Her first solo album yes, but not her first time being popular as a singer.

[safe trail]

Looks like 1995's "Body Feels Exit" was probably what I had heard

Of course, I only know her as solo

But on the strength of the first album, I bought others, and... deja vu

Even worse than Ryuichi Sakamoto's "Merry Christmas Mr. Lawrence" being repeated. At least that was the same song over and over, but Namie's stuff was supposedly differnet songs that sounded identical.

Oh well, that's my story. I'll stop now.

[quick sorrel]

You don’t have a good ear for music if you think everything she made over 25 years sounds identical. 🤷‍♂️

[safe trail]

Hahah, I gave up after the first 7 or so.

[quick sorrel]

But it’s just an opinion.

[safe trail]

The fact that she's still popular means somebody doesn't mind.

[quick sorrel]

Lots of people here.
Besides, whatever music you’re into might suck just as much 😘

[safe trail]

hahah

Nah, I liked most J-Pop, and indeed her first album.

Just.. samey samey

Nothing wrong with it, except lacking originality. that's all. Nothing else wrong

[quick sorrel]

99% of what any group or singer makes could have that said of it as well. It’s all about if you like what they do or not.

[safe trail]

I dunno. I WANTED to like it. I don't think other groups have anywhere near that degree of same-ness. That's the only reason it stood out to me.

[naive whale]

I need to do a video on that

True story it was derived from a test for 3DO M2

Sega had one and only one demo worked up for M2 when they were considering buying the hardware and it’s that “game”

[quick sorrel]

Find me a Beatles fan that likes Helter Skelter compared to their normal songs. It’s too different. Hence the Beatles sound samey as well. 🍻

[quick sorrel]

I’d watch that. I don’t actually know the game.

Only seen pics

[safe trail]

Uhhh... maybe the "meet the Beatles" album. But not later than that

Listen, I just thought it was humorous - I didn't mean to step on your sacred beliefs

[naive whale]

I’ve got a copy round here somewhwre

[quick sorrel]

Ain’t sacred, just funny.

[burnt matrix]

You’re like Gus from My Big Fat Greek Wedding. "Give Me A retro game ... And I'll Show You That The origin Of That game Is from the 3DO.

[safe trail]

humourous as in, it was genuinely humourous to me - not like I was creating ajoke

[naive whale]

Lol well how bout this

The one game Panasonic wondertainment was working on for M2 that ended up moving to Dreamcast

I can’t find the digital dance mix disc. Dunno where I put it

[burnt matrix]

I don’t know what that is but that’s pretty cool

[naive whale]

Janky fmv game

Panasonic wondertainment was the gaming division of what was the M2 for Matsushita

[burnt matrix]

Ohhhh

[untold spear]

the cursed misters curse was finally lifted

[quick sorrel]

I know, I got ya. It’s just funny cuz the argument against her is literally the reason that people want more of the same in sequels. If it’s too different, people complain. You just don’t care for her and that’s fine.

No one likes the JP Super Mario 2 cuz it’s punishment. But 3 was a god send.

Anyway

[safe trail]

I have no problem with similar music in the same vein, or a consistent "style", and obviously I know that's why people like a given artist. But I was just marvelling at how little variance there was. Like "Ryzeen" by O.M.Y is different from "Rydeen" by Y.M.O by the smallest of amounts because it's a parody... but it seems a lot more different than Namie's stuff.

[rich violet]

@gloomy hedge Could you put your feedback here for srg320? https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/33#issuecomment-2160567461

[hearty marten]

Super cool that the new core works even on @gloomy hedge’s cursed MiSTer! 🎉

[wraith echo]

So, it sounds like the improvements apply to setups using not just 2.5, but version 2.4 RAM as well?

[mortal mist]

yes 2.4/2.5

[wraith echo]

Excellent stuff. I have yet to try the core out because I wanted to wait until it's in a state similar to the PS1, uh, one.

[simple hound]

sorry for being a newb - but is this the most recent build? --> https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/33

[serene thunder]

D'oh, seems like this port is not good
Music is still a trip though

[boreal steeple]

Can someone give me config file for saturn core? I'm trying to fix an issue and I don't have one.

[undone oyster]

It gets auto generated when you load the core

[boreal steeple]

I guess I just fixed my problem which bothered me for like 4 days

I there any reason why mister reboots when I try run saturn core with ethernet cable connected?

[wet hull]

Its a good one

Hope we get F3 core

[undone oyster]

Does it reboot straight away? Doesn't even get to BIOS screen?

[boreal steeple]

Yep

I guess it's a power issue

[undone oyster]

And does the core boot when the ethernet cable is unplugged?

[boreal steeple]

Yep

[undone oyster]

Does any other core boot with the ethernet cable plugged in?

[boreal steeple]

Yep, I tried a bunch and everything worked fine. Even PSX which, I suppose, similar to power usage.

[undone oyster]

Hmmm that is strange

Because we have ruled out a damaged wire

[boreal steeple]

Yeah, I'm kinda mad rn at myself for not figuring it out earlier and this beign a thing at all.

[undone oyster]

What power plug are you using?

[thorn pagoda]

thats probably the weirdest thing i've ever heard of anyones mister doing

[boreal steeple]

None tbh. Mister is plugged to my monitor which use powered by pc. I didn't thought it'll work, but I does.

I can try to use power supply from steam deck. I used it before.

[thorn pagoda]

it's just being backpowered by the hdmi? don't do that it's not meant to work

[boreal steeple]

no, usb

[thorn pagoda]

oh ok, that' slightly better but still probably not enough power

[boreal steeple]

Funny thing, I used proper power supply, but one day I confused two cables and plugged mister with one coming from monitor. It worked fine, so I stayed with it.

Want me to try it with ethernet cable and power supply? Just to see if it changes anything.

[undone oyster]

Yeah do it

[boreal steeple]

K, 10 mins. Loading games back to mister rn.

[undone oyster]

https://misterfpga.co.uk/product/mister-fpga-power-supply/ I use this one with a splitter to power the MiSTer and the USB board

[boreal steeple]

My mister is from retrocastle and for some reason they say in caps that it have to be powered from type-c port ONLY. So I do like they said.

And I tried to find PSU for mister, but couldn't find anything good in my country

[gloomy hedge]

Which feedback exactly? (I think Kuba has this covered?)

[undone oyster]

Interesting, I not used a retrocastle build, my setup uses all official boards and RAM

So is the power cable USB-C - USB-A?

[boreal steeple]

I don't know what's usb-c - usb-a 🤔

[upper dust]

Any 5v 3 amps (15 watts) psu with USB C should be fine for power. Most monitor ports are probably 1 Amp. I picked up a 3rd party Steam deck charger for mine

[boreal steeple]

Yeah, I'm considering buying one after all. Especially if this'll be the reason for my saturn problems.

[upper dust]

Something like this should work
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71dZc0aorBL._AC_UF894,1000_QL80_FMwebp_.jpg

Just make sure you see 5V⎓3A listed on the output of whatever one you want

I'm using one similar with MisterAddons new analog IO pro board

[boreal steeple]

Got it, ty.

Ok, I tried it with proper power supply and saturn core loaded fine even with ethernet cable plugged in. So I guess it was a power issue.

[rich violet]

I suppose, but so far srg320's only response is one second-hand comment in 2 days 🙂

[gloomy hedge]

Oh do you just want me to type that it worked? I gotcha

[boreal forge]

What is the latest Saturn core with SNAC support included? If anyone had I link that would be great, thanks.

[gloomy hedge]

Done

[thorn pagoda]

all saturn cores have snac support these days

[boreal forge]

In the settings I can not select SNAC though?

[burnt matrix]

It’s a controller option

Cycle through it

[boreal forge]

It says "Digital, 3D Pad" et.c

[burnt matrix]

I think one of them in SNAC

If it’s not there, do you have latest unstable core?

[boreal forge]

No, where do I download that?

[lucid needle]

I’m sure I’m not the first to ask but the latest core is not in unstable nightlies?

[burnt matrix]

It’s in the pins - #1046941029296779344 message

[boreal forge]

It says I don't have access to it

[burnt matrix]

Fixed your role, try again please

[naive whale]

good call. I need to shoot an overview today and I was wondering what power adapter Id use for it

[thorn pagoda]

can you just do that to people Robby 😳

[burnt matrix]

There was an experimental build posted on GitHub a couple days ago, but I’d stick to the latest unstable unless you have old incompatible ram.

[naive whale]

and dont tell people its an exciting update on YT...they yell at you 🤣 fuck me for being excited more people get a compatible Saturn core...plebs with 2.5V should suffer apparently!

[burnt matrix]

Yeah, you’re now a challenge champion, congrats

well you were lol

[boreal forge]

Thanks, I downloaded 20th of May (unstable), I'll try it later. Any idea when SNAC support will arrive on the official core?

[burnt matrix]

It’s there

[thorn pagoda]

yeah i was going to say that seems insulting to people who put actual work in 😄

[burnt matrix]

Full SNAC integration is not complete though.

[thorn pagoda]

yeah its digital pads only for the mo

[boreal forge]

Like this?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/363570126315?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=RnTYT2MnStq&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=cx1g9sbhqx-&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

[thorn pagoda]

yeah

just not the 3d pad with the analog stick or lightguns or anything fancy

[boreal forge]

Ok, I will try it then, thank you.

[burnt matrix]

Admittedly, unless you already have the prerequisite hardware, I wouldn’t bother with SNAC.

People already tested it and gave feedback. SNAC development is also further along than the latest unstable so you wouldn’t be helping. It’s just if you want to try it but since its digital only there’s no actual benefit over USB.

[boreal forge]

I have a digital controller 🙂

[burnt matrix]

Perfect!

The Saturn controller is so good

[boreal forge]

I need a level shifter as well I am guessing?

+5V

[topaz mica]

I wonder if its possible to use the RF controller adapter with only 1 port plugged in...

[edgy hollow]

i mean, were there any good RF controllers before the wavebird?

[topaz mica]

I think I mean IR

[thorn pagoda]

ir stuff was always terrible

[topaz mica]

not the saturn one

I used it for a few years

[edgy hollow]

Yeah my Dreamcast IR gun is so bad

like I used up all my credits to finish House of the Dead 2's first stage

and had like 2 hearts left

[topaz mica]

this one

always loved how the controller felt

[thorn pagoda]

does it double as an IR remote? thats neat

[topaz mica]

guess I'll have to test it out

[edgy hollow]

hard to tell. It depends on how it's wired and how much power it needs

[topaz mica]

yea, I assume to help with VCD funtionality

[thorn pagoda]

tv on/off kind of implies it can control your tv too

[topaz mica]

yea probably

[edgy hollow]

how would it work though?

Like it will fire all possible codes?

[thorn pagoda]

programmable maybe

you know like a "learning" remote

[edgy hollow]

unless SEGA tvs were made

[lusty rapids]

some IR remotes will literally do that

[edgy hollow]

Too convoluted for typical users

[lusty rapids]

fire off a bunch of signals until one hits

[untold lintel]

that kind of IR remote was pretty common in the 90s

you could get calculator watches that could do it

[edgy hollow]

but who knows maybe universal remotes were pretty common/easy to pulloff/cheap enough

[thorn pagoda]

i wanted that watch so much

[untold lintel]

we had a kid who got one and would fuck with the TVs during calss

[topaz mica]

retro as fuck

[edgy hollow]

me too

all I ended up getting was a Garfield watch lol

[untold lintel]

this was my silly watch I got given as a kid. I liked Taz but was not into trains or pocketwatches lol

[edgy hollow]

oh yeah pocket watches were a thing (for the rich kids at my school)

wonder if there's a cool modern alternative for it that's not a cellphone

[untold lintel]

not putting a band on your applewatch?

[topaz mica]

I remember you could do that with the moto360, someone made a chain for it

[burnt matrix]

I need a pocketwatch for my densha de go controllers lol

[untold lintel]

i need to snag one still

kinda kicking myself on skipping that DC one I saw in TN last year

have you played enough of the various versions to say whats the 'best' one to go for? or have they just sat on shelves? lol

[lusty rapids]

I'd say a Seiko railway/rail road pocket watch would be the most authentic for Densha De Go

[gloomy hedge]

My watch is a wandering hour

I mean...

Sega Saturn core is good 👍🏽

Something something Bulk Slash

And then something something three dirty dwarves

[untold lintel]

lol I mean densha controller

[gloomy hedge]

My buddy with the really old mister and like I dunno 0.1 ram or whatever

Another win

Oh yeah also he's using a CRT

Trinitron

[pearl harbor]

Welcome to the working Saturn MiSTer core family Aktane! We have been waiting for you to join us! 🫂

[hardy lodge]

This is gonna be a bit tangential but here we go: as some of you may know I'm from western Germany which used to be divided by a wall from eastern Germany. The Saturn core finally working for everybody feels even better than when that damn wall came down. 😭

[naive whale]

I’ve been informed by one commenter the new core is not a big update at all and who cares. @gloomy hedge you should be personally offended lol

[visual grove]

Damn how can you not be delighted by feats of engineering even if it doesn’t directly benefit you?

[burnt matrix]

@gloomy hedge you love to see it. Thank you for sharing that with us.

[burnt matrix]

omg 🤣

[hardy lodge]

All Saturn lovers are finally united!

[native dagger]

All three of them! 🔥 🔥

[visual grove]

Damn he got us

We are on the right side of history. PSX was just a really big library with a lot of hits and beloved by fans and uh hmm where was I going

Saturn had VF games that’s all I cared about. Checkmate

Saturn had racy games for pervs like Robby

Double checkmate

[lost totem]

imma need a list of the racy games so I know what to avoid.....

[trim nimbus]

Hmm, I thought I posted a sega retro link a while back. Maybe Robby removed it so he could bogart all the games for himself.

[visual grove]

https://tenor.com/view/isekai-ojisan-uncle-from-another-world-isekai-uncle-isekai-ojisan-gif-26240694

[serene thunder]

The music is so strange and upbeat
It's like you are swimming through bullet patterns

[serene thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-simpson-nerd-insult-bully-gif-4995988

[serene thunder]

Dead or Alive fits all needs
Plays real gud also

[gloomy hedge]

Just point my blade

[naive whale]

I keep thinking it must be a full moon because theres been a lot of whining lately haha

[serene thunder]

Yeah they are getting ready to morph into baby marmosets

[serene thunder]

You play Gekirindan much for F3? I imagine it runs a lot better than the Saturn port, especially the music

[naive whale]

not a ton actually

[serene thunder]

If you can ever capture a couple levels, would be curious

Doesn't seem as mean as some shooties I could mention

[gloomy hedge]

Oops sorry that was me

[naive whale]

BANNED lol

i was thinking bout you earlier when I was capturing Blast Winds

[gloomy hedge]

Psh your blast wind gameplay is weak

Shoulda used mine

$5

Coulda had it all

Joking aside it is fucky yeah

Weird static before the intro (new regression)

And music starting HELLA late

Other than that it aight

[naive whale]

I am doing translation

and dub

[gloomy hedge]

Translation?

Whatever you're doing make sure to use boosted music hack

[naive whale]

it got a full dub mod this week

boosted music, full english dub

[gloomy hedge]

Oh wow?

Damn!

I need to grab that for my real Saturn ere

[naive whale]

https://segaxtreme.net/resources/blast-wind-english-translation.327/

[gloomy hedge]

I mean my mister

[radiant karma]

Anyone has had problems with Die Hard Arcade on hdmi? The image keeps cutting between scenes. Tried using vsync_adjust=0 instead of 2 but still the same. Seems to be caused by the resolution changes on the cutscenes. Maybe my monitor is the problem?

[green swift]

That game gives even my CRT issues. With real hardware too! Too many resolution switches.

[strong zephyr]

(sorry for thread necromancing but ) So just to put a counter on that, i got a saturn in europe. And.....ignorance is bliss and all that (and well i feel some games got decently adapted as well ofc) with pal stuff but. I still loved my saturn! I mainly wanted it for the capcom games as i played sf2 on my snes every way i could think of, all difficulties, all characters, time limit off and on, even starting as player 2! vf2 looked sweet too, so i think i got that and sega rally, and shortly followed by.......probably darkstalkers or sfa2. men cota as well. And then kof95. Also got need for speed, puzzle bobble. Guardian heroes, gun griffon, virtual on. Heck it was not fifa but even enjoyed sega world wide soccer! And even then i still played my snes and amiga, and also got into pc gaming so yeah enough to play but really REALLY enjoyed my saturn. I was aware of the jap stuff, but just not how to import :S So indeed sad i missed, all the snk stuff. the 1 and 4mb cartridge capcom games (also marvel super heroes was still fun, just a bit slow and a dolt of a cpu in single player...which was hard to believe after being slaughtered by magneto in xmen cota :S but again enough games to play. So yeah saturn sucks eh? 😂 oh and not unimportant, my sega rally sound issues with the core are also solved! 2.5 ram user here.

[mortal mist]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/191

[radiant karma]

Thanks, but in my case it also cuts between cutscene transitions, I dont think I have even finished the first stage because of the frequent cuts. I will have to take the crt out of storage for this game.

[wise brook]

maybe change the MiSTer ini file to buffer the picture more?

[radiant karma]

Tried already, vsync_adjust=0 instead of 2 but still cuts frequently.

[serene thunder]

Is it know that some games will simply not boot and you'll be bounced back to the Saturn dash?

Using all the same CHD set

Maybe related to region-free BIOS?

Dead or Alive is a good game for checking out Saturn weirdness
Fun to play also

[burnt matrix]

Saturn kicks high

[serene thunder]

So bounce
BTW a certain title runs on the core
And that is...
Techno Motor
For anyone out there who likes making beats, it's pretty fun
Menus are extensive
You can use 2 controllers to control different audio parts over a backing track
https://segaretro.org/images/3/33/TechnoMotor_Saturn_JP_Flyer.pdf

Check out that grip technique

Now I'm wondering if I can sync MiSTer with this actual Saturn I have with MIDI interface and k/b
How cool would that be
Live piano on top of the Techno Motor output

Could just play it live if I had any piano skills

😍 🤓

Back of the case detail for anyone who reads this stuff

[quick sorrel]

I’ve gotten that randomly when switching games. If I reset the core, the game usually loads up. Seems random.

[edgy hollow]

I really do wish the serial to midi pinouts were reversed engineered

[hearty carbon]

Sega Rally fans might dig this. https://store.steampowered.com/app/2824660/?snr=1_5_9__205

Steam

Old School Rally

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Release Date

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▶ Play video

[pearl harbor]

I tried the demo for it a few days ago. They definitely nailed the aesthetic, though the control/handling feels like it needs work. Still a promising start!

[hearty carbon]

I hadn't played it yet but it's super obvious they were thinking of Sega Rally a little

[hearty carbon]

Okay, having played it, it needs some work. It feels rough and it super needs some music but I do appreciate what they're trying to do.

[boreal forge]

Do you know if the creator is ok with changing the silkscreen on this adapter or maybe there are restrictions?

[tiny flare]

Old School Rally looks more like old Colin McRae tbh, Over Jump Rally is probably going to be the closest thing to a modern take on Sega Rally

[dull bane]

you should ask @tall agate that question

[boreal forge]

I sent him an e-mail.

[boreal forge]

Do you know if the guy who made all the other SNAC adapters (NES, SNES, N64 et.c) is here as well?

[dull bane]

i think so, but i dunno what his discord name is

[boreal forge]

Ok, maybe someone who read this will know. Thanks for the help btw.

[hearty marten]

I’ve got a feeling that srg320 will make this the next “official” release. Not sure why, just a feeling I have

My guess it that the next commits will push up the relevant source changes, as well as a new rbf

[serene thunder]

Radiant S. runs so naisu on my newer MiSTer

Forgot how genius it is the way Treasure lets you save weapon progress
And I like trying to use a single weapon and get as far as possible

Power it up

Plus the dogs collection in options

[kindred widget]

Sadly have that issue for example with shining holy arm (usa) and a few others.

In this case it simply sais that the cd lit is still open.

[serene thunder]

I had luck last night with choosing "reset" in the core menu. The same game image stays attached and then it loads on the second time

[kindred widget]

Just tryied it. Sadly doesnt work in my case. But will try different roms of that game now and see if that helps

Success. A different rom did it 🙂

[thorn pagoda]

so i know 2 regular controllers is out of the question for saturn snac, but is there any chance of 2 lightguns? do they use any less pins

[green swift]

That’s a very good question.

It’s a button, trigger and a light sensor. I feel like it would be 4 pins max? I would imagine it would have to be its own version of SNAC for dual Saturn light guns though.

I’m sure it’s been asked but is using a multi tap not possible like it is with PSX?

[noble escarp]

Saturn lightguns also needs a bunch of pins each

Not sure if they work via multitap, never tested.

[tiny flare]

so keen to use my Virtua Gun with the core, although yeah I've only got the one

[edgy hollow]

yeah, sucks that saturn used a lot of pins

wish they only had 3 pins like n64 lol

i do lowkey wish Taki's clone board added more pins

or another user port since his board has the 12v power difference. Might as well make improvements

[quick sorrel]

So the DE10 uses 5v but the clone uses 12v?

[edgy hollow]

Yeah

So a dc splitter is a no go

Very sega tower of power situation

[edgy hollow]

At least there's a price drop and new usb and vga would allegedly be less than $20 each

[gusty quest]

The clone can use 12V or 5V but if you use 12V it has its own 5v 6amp rail to power the USB hub board

[quick sorrel]

So then should any USB hub work well with the clone board?

[edgy hollow]

It comes with a 12v brick

It's a weird choice if it's 5v-12v

So dumb users can ruin usb boards due to traditional split dc power input

[quick sorrel]

So when FalafellGB said its own 5v6amp to power the USB hub, what does that mean then?

[edgy hollow]

Although taki claims, there's a 5v output to the usb board and claims leave the jank to the de10

Probably awbacon's video is outdated

Probably a taki hater /s

But wouldn't be surprised if the 5v header is only for their boards

Now if it had 2 user ports to fix saturn's 2p issue, i might buy it

[warped saddle]

it's just a 5v header on the board. anyone can design a usb board to power off of it. I assume someone smart will come up with a design you can use on either the clone or a 'real' de10, although there's still the whole "don't accidentally plug in the included 12v PS into your 5v usb hub' thing

said smart designers would probably also be smart to try and integrate overvoltage protection into any dual-use board

[wise brook]

i’m wondering if it’ll even be compatible with an itx-style add on board

actually that should be completely fine, power only comes into those via the io-board

so the de10 or clone only gets its power thru the gpio pins

[edgy hollow]

Probably easy for some that just use ribbon cables

And extension cables

[gusty quest]

He will be selling IO and USB hub boards to go with the clone board anyway and he said these will cheap. He is using the new 9.2 IO design too

[gusty quest]

There is not enough spare GPIO lines, Similar issue with MD SNAC

Just use USB or wireless

[wise brook]

slight correction, MiSTer currently doesn’t use enough gpio lines for full snac, some are used for things like the secondary sdcard

who knows, in the future maybe priorities will change

[gusty quest]

But SNAC was not designed for standard controllers anyway

[wise brook]

what was it designed for?

[gusty quest]

non standard like Lightguns and the user port also used for MT32-pi and even IEC on the C64 core

[warped saddle]

secondary sdcard pins are now used for 24bit analog

[wise brook]

interesting, i wonder what bandwidth remains

[gusty quest]

There is other options like SNAC ENCC and LLapi but meh

[thorn pagoda]

i wonder if you could like, use a multitap, but then have the core basically convert the multitap inputs back into standard P1 P2 inputs

basically making every game multitap compatible without them having to know it

[gloomy hedge]

I like my boards dead and deep fried

[edgy hollow]

Wait then how does the ITX have mt32 and snac at the same time?

[edgy hollow]

that's not going to happen. SNAC code is basically telling the hardware that pins x-y of the USB are u-v in the console

[thorn pagoda]

it is now, it doesn't have to do that though

[edgy hollow]

would be cool if the core can multiplex

like 1 pin can control if data goes to controller 1 or 2

with regards to non-standard. Only lightguns are the only ones with no USB conversion?

[naive whale]

Lol you know me. Big hater

[edgy hollow]

Don't worry I pressed dislike to get you back for him lol

hope doing that he'll finally answer my question about the switch lite mod he's doing

[ancient surge]

Happy Saturnday!

[wise brook]

and a very happy Saturnday to you

remember folks

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1CEdmZ5P0jA&list=WL&index=1

premiering soon

[gusty quest]

The V1 Ironclad ITX MT-32pi board used forked cores that uses the userport 2 pins. The newer Pro model makes SNAC and MT32pi switchable via the power button or IR remote, you cant run both at the same time but has the benefit of using the main cores

[frail token]

ehhhhhhhhhhhhh I'd say Daemonbite

LLAPI has its own limitations

just go with a low latency regular USB adapter

[burnt matrix]

I’m good friends with Segata Sanshiro and he told me the Saturn core is the best way to play Saturn. True story.

[frail token]

his name has Sega in it?

[burnt matrix]

Yes

[noble escarp]

I belive sega did this to keep it backwards compatible with megadrive controllers

[wise brook]

everybody’s name has Sega in it if you spell it wrong enough

random

i love the sega font

i wish there was a hiragana/katakana version

[burnt matrix]

It’s genuinely a good and unique logo

[burnt matrix]

And it has meaning to it beyond the name too, Service Games

Good name brand

[wise brook]

the old one really has that 70’s energy

oh yeah the service part specifically referred to the military

they got their start with slot machines and the like at US army barracks in Japan

[burnt matrix]

It’s a bit of a tangent but that history makes the name more evocative and interesting to me

Also I like how Sega stuck with the type face

[wise brook]

their even older one is cool

the red one i associate with their electromechanical arcade machines

[burnt matrix]

Ohhh damn I didn’t know

I assumed it was always the modern one lol

Damn that 70’s one is 70’s as hell

[wise brook]

so the whole reason they pivoted to these games was the Army declaring a prohibition on its men straight up gambling their wages away

[burnt matrix]

Yeah lol

[burnt matrix]

Does the Saturn have a lot of Japanese drift games or did the PS1 have em too and I’m just ignoring them?

Highway 2000 is pretty cool, playing that now. Atlus is also made a few JP ones that are cool too.

[gloomy hedge]

I have it on my computer if you dont

[wise brook]

are you referring to the hiragana thing i mentioned?

[gloomy hedge]

nahh

[wise brook]

it’s cool

[gloomy hedge]

oh this one?

thats wild for sure

I meant this one haha

the "new" one

[gloomy hedge]

the one on the right here is too sick, definitely need that one somehow haha

[wise brook]

what i want is the entire japanese language in that font

it doesn’t exist as far as i can tell

[hardy lodge]

Aaaall the kanji in that font

[wise brook]

well these are just the katakana

for “se” & “ga”

[frail token]

You could maybe make it kinda

With two layers in photoshop

[hardy lodge]

Yeah but you wished for the entire language

[wise brook]

10’000+ kanji

obsolete symbol

sorry very off-topic

[hardy lodge]

Never seen those before.

Btw, how is grandia by now on the core? Perfect?

[wise brook]

if you’re literally everyone here except me and two other people

you’ll know if you have the issue a few mins after starting the 1st cutscene and the flickering happening as soon as some quads are drawn on-screen

[hardy lodge]

Dang. Even with the new ram fix?

[wise brook]

yeah, for me and several other users, it began with the first unstable build after the most recent official release

so something changed at first unstable nightly that only affected certain MiSTer set ups

[gloomy hedge]

Wow

[wise brook]

time to sit down for the premiere btw

[gloomy hedge]

?

[wise brook]

#1046941029296779344 message

[gloomy hedge]

oh shit I thought that was earlier toady, thanks!

[wise brook]

it’s soo good

[unkempt kelp]

Assault Suit Leynos 2

Is this a known issue? No issues on GitHub

Single and Dual SDRAM core behave the same.

[gloomy hedge]

ah the banger A_s_u_t S_i_t L_y_o_s 2

[rich violet]

Have you tried the build from here? https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/33#issuecomment-2160567461

[unkempt kelp]

No, this is the latest unstable release

[gloomy hedge]

oh yeah def upgrade to the rando build that SRG posted in the forum above

that build is goldy

[burnt matrix]

Sakura Wars a must play for the Saturn?