Sega Saturn

[pearl harbor]

[mortal mist]

Massive update is coming!

[burnt matrix]

I find out there’s a new build from someone asking me to retest with latest. This community is on top of their shit and AWESOME!

[pearl harbor]

It's Saturnday!! @naive whale

[naive whale]

ooh fun

[sudden tusk]

I actually wrote down better specs for Uranus so prepare to get super hyped!!

[sudden tusk]

Make me a video!

[naive whale]

Sunday

[sudden tusk]

With extra polka!

[naive whale]

I got shit for tonight and tomorrow cued

saturday is cursed

[sudden tusk]

It better be MISTer related !

[naive whale]

tomorrow's is. Tonight's isnt

and I am slammed today. Writing a proposal to produce/direct some commercial spots and I want their money (not their work. Sounds boring)

[ancient surge]

Damn that is a pretty beefy one.

[sudden tusk]

Good luck G! Get dat paper!

[naive whale]

they seemed receptive. I wont get rich but its 2 months worth of pay for not the worst gig in the world

[sudden tusk]

Depends on the product but let me know if they need a handsome Latin man to star in the ads

https://tenor.com/view/mexican-giga-chad-giga-chad-gif-26351193

Here’s my headshot

[trim nimbus]

Hmm, sh changes to save space, free up some resources on the 32x core?

[naive whale]

haha its industrial related so probably just product and demo shots

lotta controlled environment shit...my least favorite. I dont like anything "scientific"

basically means "fuck your creative ideas kid"

[trim nimbus]

Does it involve a hydraulic press and a lot of tools used for artistic expression?

[shell musk]

Any new build testing today?

[mortal mist]

yes

#unstable-nightlies message

Pandemonium/ Dark Savior fixed

[ripe valley]

I'm gone eating outside today, and bam! New update.

[mortal mist]

Cotton 2 fixed

F1/ Burning Rangers fixed

[ripe valley]

I need to remote connect on my GH account and close some issues you reported as fixed.

[serene thunder]

I have never really played B. Rangers
Is it running close to 100% now? I know it's tough to sort out original performance issues vs. core issues with that game

[ripe valley]

I've already found some regressions on the VDP.

[mortal mist]

Noooo

[ripe valley]

I think the fix for Cotton 2 have some side-effects on games like X-Men vs. Street Fighter.

[burnt matrix]

Regression fixed!

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/203

[ripe valley]

Die Hard Arcade (1 min wait) and Dead or Alive (slowdows) NOT fixed, so no need to test them at the moment.
Solid release otherwise.

[drifting crown]

Light guns still not supported yet I presume? Can’t retire my real Saturn yet.

[winter phoenix]

what was wrong with it?

[winter phoenix]

how so?

[burnt matrix]

Correct, not supported yet.

[ripe valley]

A part of the second stage background from Cotton 2 was incorrectly rendered on the left part.

[winter phoenix]

oh right, that problem

[ripe valley]

When fixing the problem, it seems that some flash effects on X-Men vs. Street Fighter are affected.

We have a strip on the left part of the screen, missing that flash effect, like when using a Hadouken from Ryu or Optic Glass from Cyclops.

Like a VDP plane misaligned.

[grim snow]

Missing backgrounds in Radiant Silvergun are rendering properly on the new update.

Radiant Silvergun fixed

Closed the bug report on guthub 👍

[mortal mist]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/94

[sudden tusk]

Dayyuummm lol

[pearl harbor]

Haven't had a chance to test yet since I've been busy dealing with the dang squirrels in my car!

[burnt matrix]

Then don’t put them there!

[inner kayak]

this community has such a great feedback loop. Core drops, issues get closed, a new one gets opened. Beautiful.

OSS community feedback loops like this are usually 2+ weeks, that why it’s noteworthy to me

[mortal mist]

circle of life 😂

[pearl harbor]

I can't argue with that logic. You have defeated me!

[burnt matrix]

Yeah, this is why I keep drumming how important the community is for the cores as well. The MiSTer is great because the community is great.

[inner kayak]

it’s an incredibly complex project, and it probably has 1/100th the capitalization of the smallest game hardware team (if you multiply dev + community hours * hourly rate), but it still converges over time

Just expressing gratitude for this miracle of global OSS out loud 🙂

[naive whale]

Booked. Invoice sent. Payday

[mortal mist]

I see the same issue in core 20240504

Works fine with 20240423

[green swift]

Sega Rally Netlink Edition had a regression for me on both bin/cue and CHD. It now freezes at the Sega licensing screen.

Can anyone else verify?

I'm on v3 SD RAM

[ripe valley]

I was going to fix the issue log, I see my error just before too.

[mortal mist]

I see some gfx issues in Grandia

This only occurs in the latest core

Vertical coloured lines, for now I only noticed it here (Opening scene in town)

[mortal mist]

Same here, confirmed

Japan version works fine

[sudden tusk]

I am the community!

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/clapping-hands-real-housewives-of-new-york-rhony-excited-exhilarated-gif-14855909322564281815

[burnt matrix]

Damn same here!

[naive whale]

Bummer

[wise brook]

just checked both Grandia (japan) and with the fan translation, frame rate appears to have gone back up to where it was with the last update_all build, but texture flickers continue

[wise brook]

I've seen the texture corruption too

[serene thunder]

Do you like my latest Saturn HW set

[burnt matrix]

No

I love it!

[serene thunder]

Gonna learn me the pianer

I wanted to see if the MIDI stuff could be hacked and controlled somehow, as this is an official JP title w/ adapter

[ancient surge]

Wow this update is really smooth. Not finding a lot that is wrong, aside from the obvious 480i problem.

[pearl harbor]

Dang, I need my Sega Rally! This is why I always keep the last few builds of the unstable core installed!

Been testing some other games, and haven't encountered any other noticeable regressions at least.

[unkempt kelp]

All PAL exclusive games have been tested!

||There was only one untested game mwahaha||

[grim snow]

What is the 480i problem?

[mortal mist]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/170

[drifting frigate]

I did an aggressive fitter build because it often fixes the popping sounds on the menu for me. It doesn't fix much else, but it does seem to make the audio a bit less unstable in the menus.

[sacred goblet]

@serene thunder there is regression on Sega Rally?

[mortal mist]

Saga Rally Netlink Edition (USA)

freeze at SEGA logo screen

[sacred goblet]

Ah ok because i played Yesterday with standard version and no problem.

[burnt matrix]

HNNNNNNGGGGG

[mortal mist]

GGGGGNNNNNH

[burnt matrix]

SAAAAHTUUURRRNNNNNN 🤤

my friend is coming over today, the guy whose Saturn and whole Saturn collection I’ve been borrowing for 15 years lol

Can’t wait to show him the core!!!

[visual grove]

Why were their ads so much better? Segata Sanshiro beating up kids versus our trippy Saturn hallucination ads

[burnt matrix]

Because a Japanese man beating up children sounds like a headline you’d read on the news

[naive whale]

Real “Florida man” vibes except it’s a gator

[burnt matrix]

that happens, it’s really unfortunate

[sudden tusk]

Unfortunate indeed .. we should set up a non-profit to help the alligator victims of Florida man

[pearl harbor]

Give him back his Magic Knight Fat Baby Earth!

[green jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/magic-knight-rayearth-mkr-hikaru-hikaru-shidou-umi-gif-17252954

[burnt matrix]

It is his you’re right lol

[gusty quest]

There is some regression on Outrun with the new test build. The smoke effects around the rear wheels look odd

[mortal mist]

Probably related to issues in Grandia and MK2

Vertical stripes

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/209#issuecomment-2118151901

Added info about Outrun

[dull bane]

hey, so i'm trying to order these saturn snac boards, but the site to download the gerber file from just completely hangs when i open the editor, and for some reason the jlcpcb link you posted wont let me add the thing to cart, it just says "Parameter Exception"

any help here would be appreciated

[tall agate]

#1046941029296779344 message

[dull bane]

thank you so much. <3

[burnt matrix]

you’re welcome!

[tall agate]

also uploaded it to github: https://github.com/kow/MiSTer-FPGA-Sega-Saturn-SNAC-Adapter

[dull bane]

hooray

[bleak escarp]

Can't wait to test these out

2 Virtua Guns and a 3D pad

[pallid pier]

Anybody testing SNAX with the Twin Sticks?

[burnt matrix]

Yeah they work great

[serene thunder]

Robby has two sticks?

Robby Two-Sticks over heeyuh

RTS

Off the top turnbuckle

[bleak escarp]

Would love to check it out for myself still waiting on a SNAX cable restock

[pallid pier]

damn, was about to buy one

[burnt matrix]

I have THREE, thank you very much. Twin Stick + Mission Stick.

[untold lintel]

wait is light gun support in?

[pallid pier]

i don't think so

also, sup

[untold lintel]

yo yo

[serene thunder]

I have this

[burnt matrix]

Are those bed sheets

[serene thunder]

No

[burnt matrix]

oh ok

what if they were

[serene thunder]

I run a haberdashery

[burnt matrix]

I had to look that one up

[serene thunder]

And also a hostel

[burnt matrix]

Lol

[serene thunder]

(do u need any corneas)

[pearl harbor]

Not yet. Hopefully soon!

[untold lintel]

lookin forward to trying out my virtua gun i bought 2+ years ago lol

[tiny flare]

you don't actually need SNAC for the twin stick, it is secretly just a regular pad rearranged, so you can happily just use them via a USB adaptor like daemonbite or reflex if you have one

[cosmic ginkgo]

if you run the download tool would that update the Saturn core?

[wise brook]

to the last stable, sure

[cosmic ginkgo]

oh thats nice, im going to try it out tonigth

[wise brook]

if you want the latest test build it’s here for you to manual across

[cosmic ginkgo]

thanks

[cosmic ginkgo]

is there anything special you need to do to run a saturn game i selected my disk but i just get a black screen and it doesnt load

[mortal mist]

games should be in bin/cue or chd format , each game should be in a separate folder

The bios should be placed under the name boot.rom in games/saturn/

[cosmic ginkgo]

so i cant dump my chd files all together in the games/saturn/ folder?

[mortal mist]

As I wrote above, the games should be in separate folders, you can of course do you want to 🙂

[cosmic ginkgo]

what do you mean boot.rom?

[mortal mist]

The bios must be named boot.rom

[cosmic ginkgo]

so if i have bug!.chd i need to rename that to boot.rom

and have it in its own folder

is that correct?

[mortal mist]

No, console bios = boot.rom

no need to rename games

[cosmic ginkgo]

that needs to be in the same folder as the cmd folder

chd

does the downloader tool download the saturn rom

[mortal mist]

no

[cosmic ginkgo]

no worries thatnks for all that at least i know what to do 😄

[mortal mist]

That's why you have a black screen when you start games, the bios should appear when you start the core

[cosmic ginkgo]

thanks I got it working

[mortal mist]

nice! have fun 🙂

[pearl harbor]

Another Saturn faithful has joined us! 🎉

[serene thunder]

Maybe now we can correct the history books and proclaim Saturn champion

[grim snow]

God I learned for the first time the other day that Sega of America was in talks with Sony to partner on the Saturn and Sega of Japan said no

Sega would be king if that happened

[zinc vine]

https://tenor.com/view/what-is-this-gif-24482335

[burnt matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/critical-role-crit-role-arsequeef-taliesin-jaffe-gif-12750657

[pearl harbor]

The cult of Saturn!

[pearl harbor]

Only Nintendo fans worship cubes of the gaming variety!

[autumn crystal]

Hey guys, is there a special process that needs to be done to load a working rom cart in the Saturn core?

I'm sure I'm missing something, do I have to load a cartridge dump when trying to use it?

[mortal mist]

Core does not support rom carts

[thorn pagoda]

i thought it did?

[wise brook]

it’s a placeholder for future ( 🤞 ) functions

[thorn pagoda]

oh

[mortal mist]

Core only supports additional memory

[autumn crystal]

Oh ok that makes perfect sense, thanks for the explanation.
It's totally fine without it tho, I was just curious 👍

Earlier I was wondering why Grandia was slowing down so much at times on this core, but then after testing it out on my Saturn, I realized it's pretty much as bad on real hardware.
Damn I didn't remember this game was so choppy, rose tinted glasses I guess 😂

[burnt matrix]

Yeah haha. It's why whenever someone comments about any core slowing down my immediate response is for them to check against real hardware. It's definitely not out of the realm of possibility for it to be a core issue, especially on a core that's still in active development, but a lot of people really do forget just how bad perf was on first gen 3D consoles.

Anyways, appreciate you doing due diligence and checking it first. 🍻

[ancient surge]

If anything I think it would be weirder if there wasn't any lag.

[bleak escarp]

Until the core fleshes it out I got the OG hardware

Will be sick when there's support though

[ember terrace]

I have two Stunners ready to go as soon as the core is.

[pearl harbor]

The day lightgun support is added, it will be a stunning development!

[thorn pagoda]

got this to play with while we wait for the core to be finished:

[wise brook]

https://tenor.com/view/look-how-they-massacred-my-boy-godfather-sad-cry-hurt-gif-16433641

[thorn pagoda]

haha

i assume they take old saturns with busted up shells/cd drives and make these

[visual grove]

Wow didn’t expect to see topless photos in here

eyebrows eyebrows

[bleak escarp]

What's the saroo to grab these days

[burnt matrix]

the Saroo D

Saroo Deez games!

[autumn crystal]

I have plenty of gun4ir modded stunners for when it comes too 😄

[serene thunder]

Wait, how do I get that case

[trim nimbus]

I was looking at those, it seems the expansion slot is still there. Any idea if a satiator would fit?

[dim tulip]

Was trying to figure that out as well. Trying to compare to a regular motherboard. I think it probably could fit? The only issue is the wiring behind the cartridge slot

[thorn pagoda]

You’d definitely have to cut the case and relocate the power jack but maybe ?

[grim snow]

How is gun4ir? Anymore accurate than guncon 3?

Also, hi all! 👋 quick question, can anyone with original hardware and Thunder Force V please tell me if it lags as much on OG hardware as it does on the latest Mister unstable? Specifically Stage 1 with the big purple snake close to the beginning of the level. I can never tell if longplays on YouTube are on emulator or are stabilized in post or something. Descriptions never say.

[autumn crystal]

Yeah, it's arcade accurate, meaning you don't ever need to recalibrate wherever you are standing. Also has ultra low latency. But don't trust me, I'm the creator of that tech 🤣
You can find a lot of vids online talking about it luckily 😄

[grim snow]

Woah xD I had no idea I was in the presence of a God

[grim snow]

Can I get the link to your website? I had trouble finding what I was looking for Googling it myself (Google fucking sucks these days, it’s why I’m here)

[green swift]

Glad I’m not the only one to notice how terrible it has gotten.

[autumn crystal]

haha thank, I don't deserve as much 😄

[autumn crystal]

yeah I must admit I should redo a centralized website with all the info, the system evolved so much since I started that it's hard to keep all data in the same place

[noble escarp]

gun4ir >>>>>>>>>> guncon3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wiimote

[autumn crystal]

hope it's allowed to post that here (please tell me if not), but the website for the parts and all is here:
https://www.gun4ir.com/

I can't link my discord server where all the fun happens for understandable reason, but you can find more info in the old original post here:
https://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,161189.0.html

[grim snow]

Much appreciated good sir 🙏

Excited to look into it more. Recently got a Guncon 1 for Time Crisis and it’s so much fun lol

[grim snow]

Bruh I used to have no problem hardware/software modding/troubleshooting anything with Google’s help before. I told my roommate how outside of this discord it’s been actually impossible for me to troubleshoot anything on Mister. He said I must be just stupid or something. A week later Google told him Joe Pesci was in Godfather Part 1 and 2. That was a fun argument I got to have with him. By the end though he finally understood what I was talking about xD

[autumn crystal]

yeah the guncons are legendary guns, always a good time using them!

[unkempt thistle]

Hmm, getting no cd music in any of my games. Bin/cue, cd sound is enabled :/

[trim nimbus]

How often do you restock premodeed ? I have never been lucky enough to refresh and see any available.

[autumn crystal]

not as often as I would like, the stock of japanese guncon in mint state is going low sadly. But I should restock a bunch next month if everything goes well

[echo hound]

It's probably your RAM module. I had that problem before upgrading mine, so if you're using a 2.4/2.5 module, or a 4 chip module, you'll need a 2.9/3.0 module.

[naive whale]

Oh shit JayBee is here

Was just shooting the GUN4 again Friday for another vid

[autumn crystal]

Always a pleasure to see your lightgun vids mate 😄
Or any of your vids really.
Your vids for the N64 and Saturn cores were a life saver👌

[slate bluff]

I am trying to play the english patched 1.1.1 version of Grandia. It just freezes on disc 1 at the Sega logo screen. Any thoughts on what might be going on? I have tried the last two core test builds (dual RAM). I patched to be region free, but I am using the 1.01a US BIOS and the core is set to USA.

Tried various other BIOS versions and no fix found.

Not sure what fixed, but I re-patched and checked the separate tracks option. I also selected none in the core next to the cartridge option.

[ancient surge]

You might of had a bad dump. I can boot into the game with no issues pretty consistently.

Might also be a problem with the RAM. This core is sensitive to RAM timings, so if it's a consistent problem across multiple games, then it might be the RAM.

[slate bluff]

Good to know. Thanks!

[unkempt thistle]

I have a mistercade, it WAS working when I first got it. Iirc

[echo hound]

I'm not sure what RAM module comes with the Mistercade, so I can't speak to that. All I know is I used to have a Multisystem, and I had the same problem there. But when I switched to a traditional stack with a more up to date RAM module, games with CD audio started to work fine for me.

[visual grove]

It’s just the normal ram module on the de10, probably whatever version existed when he bought it

[mortal mist]

Thanks!

[ancient surge]

Sounds like he wanted to quickly fix the regressions.

[wise brook]

https://tenor.com/view/segata-sanshiro-throw-gif-5612078

begone regression

[mortal mist]

Grandia and Outrun fixed

[wise brook]

if the Grandia texture flickers aren’t gone with todays update i’ll get the work done to make the bug report

that’ll be in about 6 hours

[mortal mist]

Sega Rally Netlink Edition fixed, MK2 fixed, Tempest 2000 fixed

[hearty carbon]

by gawd

[ripe valley]

Aggressive fitter compile.
That should eliminate the slowdown when opening the OSD menu during a game already running.

[pearl harbor]

We doing Saturnday again!? 🤘

[hardy lodge]

It's like n64 all over again

[inner kayak]

w00000t

what issues remain with those 5 games fixed now?

[ancient surge]

Interlaced content is still bugged over analog and direct video.

[hardy lodge]

I'm running out of excuses to not play barouge, enemy zero and deep fear it seems.

[zinc vine]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-gif-7523306793289960933

[soft valley]

Tbh I experience the same issue on the analog io out with direct video disabled

Where it seems to jump a lot and not be stable like 480i in other cores

I pretty much just avoid Saturn games that utilize 480i often

[wise brook]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/210

finally, it’s done, written out as clearly as possible.

i tested both copies of the game on both MiSTer to confirm everything

slightly f’d with the amount of time i lost recording footage with my capture card for none of it to be uploadible

[sudden tusk]

NO REGRESSIONS FOUND IN BATTLE MONSTERS! We can all rest easy

[naive whale]

Oh thank god (clutches pearls)

[frank crater]

I think theres a regression on die hard arcade but not sure. Just a black screen a couple levels in.

[serene thunder]

Taco jumped on the grenade
I keeed, Battle Monsters is best fighting on Saturn

[tough star]

well looks that all games tested works

I haven't been checking on progress

[ancient surge]

https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/8628/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Basically a hack that includes the extra tracks from the Mega Drive and 3DS versions.

[clear condor]

OMG I was hoping this would exist

Camino a Mi Amor is a surprisingly worthy addition

[lone mural]

I can't make NIGHTS to work

strange thing

[mortal mist]

Does it crash at some point? Does it return to the bios menu?

[radiant karma]

VF2 (japan) now just returns to bios menu for me. Using Japan bios region free. Will try using a different bios later.

[lone mural]

black screen

it never worked for me

[mortal mist]

did you check the game from another source?

[lone mural]

redump

japanese and usa version

[mortal mist]

ok works fine for me

[mortal mist]

sdram 2.9/3.0 ?

[mortal mist]

Works ok , no issue here , Japan bios

[hollow quiver]

Situation: You can only have 32 GB of Saturn games. What are your picks? Here is what I have so far:

[hearty carbon]

Dragon Force 2 not on there?

There's an English translation

[drifting frigate]

Definitely sub out Netlink Edition for Sega Rally...it's more complete.
Personally I'd ensure Baroque was on there...roguelite fun. I might drop Super Puzzle Fighter 2 since it's on the CPS II core, but I'm sure the saturn version has some optimizations. I'd also add Tempest 2000

[pastel basalt]

I know it’s a port but magical drop 3

Elevator action returns?

[drifting frigate]

Night Striker (but only if you're into that sort of thing)

https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExY2tjc2VnNW1xcHN2bHN4ZjNuZHZocGJ1c3o0emZ2dDQwY2p5MTJydyZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/OYAw1Xc6MzZJZOeC7j/giphy-downsized-large.gif

Oh, Astra Superstars.

[pastel basalt]

Looks like you’re a shooter fan which is good, could also consider the dodonpachi port if you’d rather play that than the arcade

Shining the holy ark is alright, I’ve never finished it though

And die hard arcade would be in my list for sure

Good list there though

Is Savaki any good?

[green swift]

Afterburner and Space Harrier are missing. Those are must haves.

[hollow quiver]

I deleted Tempest 2000. I just don't like Tempest games. Just me.

[hollow quiver]

I would have to learn it to find out. I played it slightly. It seems like a fighting simulation type thing but I couldn't get much to happen. I may delete.

[drifting frigate]

Totally fair.

Deep Fear? I see a couple survival horrors on there. That one is my favorite on Sat.

[visual grove]

Great list!

I’ve played so few of the Japanese exclusive games should probably find out what people recommend for those

[serene thunder]

I had a nightmare time trying to cull that library down, the JP side has lots of good stuff

[light magnet]

If I were that limited, I'd probably use lossy compression on my bin/cue files. But yeah, a ton of the shmups that you have listed. And is Bubble Memories on there? I think it got released as a Japan exclusive.

[hollow quiver]

never heard of it

I have Bubble Symphony

did you mean that

oh it is a game

wtf

bubble memories

no idea why they want this horrible music in their game though

https://tenor.com/view/lucky-chops-leo-p-joshua-gawel-daro-behroozi-josh-holcomb-gif-26400552

[slate bluff]

Weird question, but does anyone else that had a Saturn back in the day (or PSX) feel that the FMV in games is much worse in quality than they remember? Example would be Guardian Heroes. Just started Grandia and the FMV is pretty bad. Anyways, wasn’t there an add-on for Saturn that made FMV better? If so, would be cool to have that added someday …maybe on a bigger/more powerful FPGA.

[serene thunder]

PSX FMVs almost always looked better than Saturn
And yes there is a Movie Card, but it only increases the FMV quality in a few games designed to use it

[pearl harbor]

Nah, it was always that bad. CRTs helped mask some of it, but even then FMV in games never looked great until the Dreamcast/PS2.

[serene thunder]

PSX has some pretty clean FMVs
always pissed me off as Saturn owner

[quick sorrel]

TV lower resolution and running games over RF was the solution to low resolution videos. 🫠

[pearl harbor]

I remember being wowed by the FMVs on the Sega CD back in the day. Only because it was so new at the time to see video in a game.

[quick sorrel]

The moving slide shows to minimally animated PC Engine games were always more appealing than FMVs. 😎

[pearl harbor]

Pixel art animation "videos" still look great to me. Something like Snatcher on the Sega CD looks better to me than Policenauts does on the PS1 for example.

[quick sorrel]

They age better to me. Unless the game used minimal compression, like Dragon’s Lair, most FMVs were pretty rough, but we just didn’t know it back then

[serene thunder]

I believe PSX FMVs typically run at higher FPS than Saturn also

I have a couple Saturn movie cards and Lunar FMVs do look pretty sweet

[tiny flare]

mmm, crunchy block compression artifacts

[sinful verge]

Time Gal for sega cd is actually tremendous demake port where they redrew frames in sprites. Make sure to play jp version for better intro.

[quick sorrel]

Wha? That’s a lot of money and effort for a worse result 😂

[slate bluff]

Oooh is Lunar better on Saturn? I played both the Sega CD and PSX versions back in the day. Actually completed both. One of my favorite JRPGs.

[hardy lodge]

Where is barouge and enemy zero?

[serene thunder]

https://youtu.be/gbHm0a3mKU4

Looks like the Saturn is not using a movie card

PSX has faster loading times also

[pearl harbor]

Yeah, the PS1 version of Lunar 1 and 2 are excellent. And if you don't like the Working Designs nonsense, there are patches to fix that.

[serene thunder]

Remove the stench of Vic Ireland

[tiny flare]

"Un-Worked Designs" is one of my favourite romhack genres

[pearl harbor]

Vic is responsible for an entire genre of hack!

[serene thunder]

True QOL improvements

[pearl harbor]

Didn't he make it so you need to pay in-game money to save in the Sega CD version of Lunar?

Or something to that affect.

[hollow quiver]

No way in hell I could deal with playing a game like Baroque

also I don't want to play Enemy Zero

I just don't want to walk slowly through hallways and possibly be scared

I have a Grandia that is translated but I'm thinking I can't load all the RPGs at once

[sinful verge]

I think they did a really great job 😅

https://youtu.be/aCRlQ4TQlMU?si=gIKHkEpjVfAftpLO

https://youtu.be/65niaCO-2po?si=K7YSSqOfxCiWxR_x

Sprite port is so clean

[hollow quiver]

Is this the one with the famous gif?

[lone mural]

2.9

[mortal mist]

this is a very strange case , the game should boot

I would try it on another sd card after a fresh install

[wise brook]

think i’m gonna buy a cheap sdcard to make a fresh MiSTer setup, just to see if that clears my Grandia woes

[mortal mist]

I have problems with core stability when playing FMV in some games, if I leave the game on longer it will freeze at some point

[radiant karma]

Tried the Japan bios v1.01 and VF2 (japan) now does work for me. But some other games now don't. Is there a recommended bios version for the core? It seems some of my dumps work and some don't depending on bios. Some won't get past the bios load screen until a mister reboot. But some just won't load no matter what.

[mortal mist]

for JP games I use bios 1.01 all games work well with it

• auto region

[radiant karma]

Do you use a different bios for usa games?

[mortal mist]

yes

[radiant karma]

Might need to do that then. I guess you have directories for each region?

[mortal mist]

yes

[radiant karma]

So auto region is not fully working yet?

[mortal mist]

you can use one bios

• auto region

[ancient surge]

I use the boot.rom, boot1.rom, etc. method and it does recognize the different BIOS files.

[mortal mist]

I prefer to use the bios from each region separately

[mortal mist]

how does core determine which bios is good for which region? there are several regions

[radiant karma]

I had no idea it also works like this. So boot.rom is JP, boot1.rom usa, boot2.rom euro?

[mortal mist]

korea, europe, japan, usa. asia, brasil

also I have no idea how it is supposed to work for saturn

[visual grove]

FMVs look like I remember on these systems but I play on CRTs

[mortal mist]

I checked this method and it does not work with Saturn. All games are booting from one region - boot.rom - > USA

[winter phoenix]

all you're missing is some good homebrew, really.

[hollow quiver]

examples?

this is the famous magical drop gif

[winter phoenix]

Cubecat https://segaxtreme.net/resources/cubecat.288/

Slide Hop https://segaxtreme.net/resources/slide-hop.178/

Sky Blaster https://segaxtreme.net/resources/sky-blaster.157/

Unreal partial recreation https://segaxtreme.net/resources/irreel-unreal-for-sega-saturn.140/

Bridget Bishop https://segaxtreme.net/threads/sega-saturn-28th-anniversary-game-competition.25278/post-183497

[polar mountain]

The Saturn does have the worst/greatest fmv game of all time though

Minnesota Fats Pool Legend.

[pastel basalt]

I'm not sure

[pastel basalt]

ah well I guess so lol

[wooden dew]

One notable exception: Policenauts. Higher FPS on Saturn but lower resolution.

15fps vs 24fps

[ripe valley]

I'm leaving a save file for srg320 (or others) on the issue tracker for Grandia.
I can't reproduce at all the flickering issue so far, even inside the museum corridor and during the end of the introduction.

[wise brook]

sigh

fresh sd card

just the english patched game and a bios

[tawdry lion]

bin/cue?

[wise brook]

tried bin cue of both patched and unpatched

pulled the bin cue from 2 seperate sources

[tawdry lion]

did you verify them against Redump?

[wise brook]

i’ll check that again in a minute

it’s wild that it happens only to me and only on the core’s released after the last main release

on 2 seperate MiSTer’s

[tawdry lion]

#unstable-nightlies message

using this?

[wise brook]

yep

but if i boot the last main core i can run around Palm without any flicker and a higher average frame rate to boot

[tawdry lion]

what modified date is your MiSTer binary (MiSTer main)?

If you ever manually modified it to be one of the unstable versions, it will not automatically update with update_all to my understanding

it should be 05/05/2024 for the latest MiSTer main

[wise brook]

like, i’ve even made a fresh mister install

on a different sdcard

and updated it

so that’s 3 MiSTer installations on 2 different de-10

[wise brook]

using md5free to compare the cue i have to the cue on redump was a match

[ripe valley]

Is it possible to test it with the last unstable Main here (#unstable-nightlies message) and that core version (#1046941029296779344 message) ?

Just to be sure that we could eliminate some time-critical routing and to be with the last Main MiSTer file as possible.

[fervent karma]

I don't care if this does not support Twin Stick, Mouse, and Light Guns Yet but I couldn't disagree because of the core evolving overtime 😛

[slate bluff]

I have the same issue

Using latest unstable

[tiny flare]

The core absolutely supports twin sticks, because spoiler alert, it’s just a normal digital pad rearranged 😉

Unfortunately, not very intuitive to map via USB though

[tawdry lion]

as stated. I would try with the latest unstable main

#unstable-nightlies message

[quick sorrel]

Confirmed it just now, Grandia EN 1.1 bin/cue converted to CHD doesn't get those problems on my MiSTer. - mister v240505, os v231108, Saturn unstable 24.05.20

[tawdry lion]

You as well

[wise brook]

i’ll try when back from work
aprox 5hours

[wise brook]

i think latest stable has all these fixes rolled into it tho

[mortal mist]

Haunted mister

[ripe valley]

It's a MiSTery

[mortal mist]

Yeah 🙂

[ripe valley]

v240331 ?

Something's not right here.

[mortal mist]

he only checked unstable, with the last stable it is the same

[ripe valley]

The last unstable Main is from 20240520.

Same for the core.

[mortal mist]

#1046941029296779344 message

tried from this link so from March, don't know why

anyway, mister main doesn't matter with this error

[ripe valley]

I'm agree.

[mortal mist]

this all reminds me of the case of the one psx game 🙂

[ripe valley]

Anyway, I insist to test with a more aggressive fitter build like I provided some days ago for people with the issue.
#1046941029296779344 message

That should help for finding if there is a critical-path routing somewhere and/or some silicium lottery involved here.

[mortal mist]

@wise brookplease try zet-sensei's core 🙂

[wise brook]

on it

[mortal mist]

🤞

[wise brook]

flickering

[mortal mist]

Do you remember the Clock Tower case? 😄

#1046940919607345272 message

every other game worked correctly , every core, two sdrams passed the tests correctly

I am absolutely not saying that the situation is the same here

but with the saturn core now, I think anything is possible 😄

[ripe valley]

Thanks for the test.

We could eliminate the critical-path possible issue.

[untold spear]

im not getting the texture issue either. wonder if it might be some weird thing like the mister not getting enough power or something since it was 2 different de10s tested

[ripe valley]

Could be speed issues with the support, silicon lottery, voodooism and such.

[untold spear]

actually.. its looking good. real good

[mortal mist]

I checked on three MiSter from 2019, 2020 and 2022 with single sdram, each has a different power supply , I am unable to reproduce this error

2.9 sdram

[ripe valley]

Same with my two systems from 2019 and 2021.

[untold spear]

im on 2.9 ram as well. no issue

power supply from.. i forgot

👍

[mortal mist]

two people reported the same problem

[untold spear]

wonder if there is any connection between

power supply and where it came from, ram and who it came from etc

doubt it could be overheating right

[ripe valley]

If we need to troubleshoot further, we will probably need to investigate the full specs of their system.

[green jacinth]

im getting texture flicker indoors. Saturn_unstable_20240520_129e26.rbf / 2.9 ram (passes 10 min+) / grandia eng 1.1.1 / IO analogue pro test sample from porkchop / USB c power / MiSTer_unstable_20240520_073c0e

also in the saturn aggressive that was posted earlier

[ripe valley]

Thanks for the report.

[wise brook]

do you find the last main release was fine too?

[green jacinth]

tbh i hadnt really played grandia much in the last few releases

so i cant say off hand without testing

[wise brook]

was gonna fix the CEC issue with my MiSTer by lifting up the leg of the relevant chip

then i noticed the micro sdcard

i had to throw one of these away

probably not that seeing as i’ve already tested a fresh install with a sandisk branded one

[severe whale]

Hi guys. I’ve been away for a couple of weeks. How far is the core so far? Almost 100 % done?

[mortal mist]

-100%

🙂

it's getting better and better , but I wouldn't say almost 100% completed

[simple hound]

hey all just popping my head in for an update - any changes with the latest cores to the 2.6 ram situation on saturn core?

[mortal mist]

no changes

[severe whale]

@mortal mist any specific issues you know of?

[ripe valley]

I'm no kuba, but I can resume a little bit.

• Some display error on staff credits roll for Virtua Fighter 2;

• Time Gal & Ninja Hayate stop after the third level;

• Die Hard Arcade stops for about a minute on a black screen (and goes back to normal after) when taking the elevator;

• Some sounds are incorrect on Bug, Panzer Dragoon Zwei and Sakura Taisen 2 (at least);

• Slowdowns on Dead or Alive (should be partially fixed with some fitter option when compiling);

• Some text-boxes incorrectly rendered randomly on Dino Island;

• Multi disc games without a save file creation between disc change could not detect the next disc inserted;

• Missing letter on "LOSE" message on Cube Battler;

• Mortal Kombat II could crash with some fatalities displayed and a recent regression on the publisher screen;

• Interlacing mode is incomplete.

• Users with older RAM could have some corruptions on sound/music or even freezes.

• Missing MPEG card implementation, light guns, mouse, keyboard, floppy disc operator and incomplete SNAC support.

The list seems long, but it's rather impressive so far, and even better than most software emulators in terms of compatibility and accuracy of the core (even against Mednafen).

[mortal mist]

I have nothing more to add 🙂 , the list of errors can always be viewed here https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues

Has anyone checked the MK2? I don't think there have been any tests since February

[ripe valley]

I tried one time during April and I had a crash with Scorpion on the Pit Stage.

But I don't remember exactly the core version back then.

[mortal mist]

ok thanks 🙂

[ripe valley]

I need to recheck Cub Battler at a later time too, as I've seen the issue with the missing letter on the previous build.

And the issue isn't on the tracker, but on the compatibility list.

[ancient surge]

Also the partially implemented interlaced support that causes distortion across multiple games that support it.

[severe whale]

@ripe valley that's indeed impressive. Last time i tried the core it had sound issues in many games. But these seams to have been fixed

Also I played through Die Hard back then and I didnt experience that bug. maybe something is triggering it

[thorn pagoda]

also interlacing

but thats a really good summary thanks

[manic mica]

anyone have sound issues with radiant silvergun on saturn both stable and unstable? tried regular iso and CHD both with regular bios and the hitachi bios

latest unstable

sound cuts out completely early game. some times it works and some it doesnt. just wanna see if this issue is common

[pearl harbor]

It's usually related to what kind of ram you're using. If it's not 2.9 or 3.0 ram, that's when those types of issues usually occur. I'm using 2.9 ram and don't have any audio issues in the game.

[quick sorrel]

There were sound issues long ago but they've been resolved in the core, unless like Mario said, you have older ram. I play RS frequently and I think it plays well or near-perfect. It's been a long time since I played on real hardware though.

[manic mica]

yeah i bought my mister ages ago. like 4+years by now so thats probably the case

anyone wanna link me a newer single ram? yeah ill prob just grab one

[pearl harbor]

Yeah, if it's that old, then it's definitely not 2.9 or 3.0 ram. I bought mine around two years ago with the 2.9 ram.

[wise brook]

if the ram you receive doesn’t immediately fix the problems, return and/or exchange it; there’s a little bit of a lottery on whether the ram will actually hit the speeds necessary

[light magnet]

And RAM issues can be intermittent as well.

[mortal mist]

damn ! first crash in Radiant Silvergun

[quick sorrel]

Ever? You lucky. I’ve had occasional crashes when updating the core but after a brief reset, it doesn’t do it a second time. It’s a MiSTery

[mortal mist]

I have always had good luck with dualsdram

[quick sorrel]

Seems the way to go for core development testing and playing.

[mortal mist]

today I played on another Mister with the single

[quick sorrel]

Yours or someone else’s?

[mortal mist]

mine 🙂

[quick sorrel]

MultiMiSTer 👍

[tawny forge]

My 4th one will be powered by taki’s $99 de10 nano 🙏

[mortal mist]

same here 😄

[plush jetty]

That will be my 3rd! So pumped

[waxen vortex]

My 2nd will be a Taki $99 and RAM.

[sudden tusk]

Awww man! If they can mass produce the clone ! The scene is gonna fucking explode! Just boom! Straight into the stratosphere man!

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-gif-12331510920031435553

[manic mica]

why crash RSG when this can happen

[small gust]

I thought I just chime in to say I am also experiencing the exact same flickering in Grandia with english patch (v 1.1.1) as a CHD file using the HiSaturn v1.02 bios, the last couple of unstable core builds, which I did not experience before with previous builds. I tested with the latest unstable main, which did not fix it.
Latest stable saturn core build seems to work fine though.

3.0 RAM module (seems stable at 146 MHz). 5V, 4A, 20W power supply.

using
Mister v240520, OS v231108, Saturn unstable 240417, 240504 and 240520 all experience flickering.

reseting the core settings in the OSD had no impact for me.

[wise brook]

yep

if you’d add that to the gitpage i’d appreciate it

[mortal mist]

I believe that srg320 will find the cause of these problems

4 people with the same problem cannot be a coincidence

[wise brook]

15khz crt vs hdmi into a vga monitor

very impressive result

0.05 second delay

[small gust]

done 🙂

[faint sparrow]

Hey all, I was looking through the history but wanted to find up to date info on lightgun support. Anyone know if this will be working soon for Saturn?

I have a virtua cop light gun I’m eager to test out

[light magnet]

50ms? That's quite a bit, no?

[pearl harbor]

No timeline yet on lightgun support. Hopefully soon! 🤞

I wanna get my shooty shooty bang bang on!

[faint sparrow]

lol that makes two of us

Will guncon 3 work with a Saturn game?

[pearl harbor]

I assume it will once it's implemented. Every other core with lightgun support works with Guncon 3s.

I have two Guncon 3s, and it's my go–to for lightgun games on my MiSTer since I use a newer TV.

[faint sparrow]

Okay cool, good to know. You’re using on crt I assume?

[pearl harbor]

No, I use an LG C3 OLED.

[faint sparrow]

And what’s the deal with gun con 3? Does it require sensors based on what I’m seeing, or is it just like any other light gun?

[pearl harbor]

It uses sensors since it was designed for HDTVs.

[faint sparrow]

Ahhh great tv. I have those for my main tv and computer monitor. Love it

[pearl harbor]

During the PS3 era.

[faint sparrow]

Do you use one of the retrotink 4x scalers? It looks pretty nice?

I’ve thought about using my mister on my flat screen but just haven’t tried yet. I love the crt aesthetic

[pearl harbor]

Nah, I don't have any scalers. Just the simple setup on my end. Though I do have VRR enabled so my TV runs cores with different refresh rates (like arcade cores that run at 55hz for example).

[serene thunder]

How jam-packed is this core now? Wondering if this is going to be like N64 where some things will just not be 100% until later hardware

[naive whale]

You run them all at 69fps. Like god intended

[serene thunder]

I can only imagine what you got up to on those slopes

And also the actual mountains haha

[pastel basalt]

Hey I just got one of these! Do you use any hdr settings with the mister?

Was trying to see if I could get hdr working well but not sure how I feel about it

Also I tried the black frame insertion and it made me nauseous immediately lol

[pearl harbor]

I tried it awhile back, but didn't really like it. Just feels off having HDR on retro games.

As for black frame insertion, I love that it gets rid of the sample-and-hold persistence blur, but I hate the constant flicker which is distracting. I also just prefer to have VRR enabled, which isn't possible with black frame insertion. Sadly, the best way to reduce persistence blur on modern displays is to simply increase frame rates, which just isn't possible with retro games.

[untold spear]

i came to prefer my pc crt over the consumer crts. i don't bother to apply filters anymore either

just want a clean image

will get an oled eventually. cant wait for that

[wise brook]

direct video with 2x scandoubler should have been perfect for this but it’s a little bit hit and miss with some cores

[untold spear]

might look into guncon 3.. ive always wanted to play them im house. when i was a kid the only one i had at home was duck hunt. i played a few at a friends house and they were super fun

[untold spear]

psx saturn and n64 right lol

i added a thing to mister ini for those cores and the rest use doubler

[wise brook]

could you share?

[untold spear]

when i get home i will

i think if you search for it in the crt channel youll find it

i got it from someone else on here

[wise brook]

i’d recommend go all out with a gun4ir or maybe wait on this as a budget option

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aE9a-fsnMwU&pp=ygUOb3BlbiBsaWdodCBndW4%3D

[untold spear]

i was asking about it specifically for psx. that will help find it in search

is that easy to set up?

[wise brook]

very

[untold spear]

no need for a pi or whatever right

[wise brook]

run the pc software to setup the gun, aprox 10 mins, 1 min to calibrate the mister and done

[untold spear]

oh thats way easier

[wise brook]

the guy has polished and refined the software, you do get what you pay for imo

[untold spear]

2 options on the site, not sure what does what

both sold out though...

lol

[lofty spire]

every time i run the Sega Saturn core, Segata Sanshiro jumps out of my tv and punches me in the face

[untold spear]

thats a feature, not a bug

enjoy

[wise brook]

hah! was literally writing out the same thing

[pearl harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/segata-sanshiro-nod-yes-gif-5612081

[wise brook]

cycle accurate Segata Sanshiro

[untold spear]

mister feels pretty much complete to me now. all the systems id wanted it to play it does. saturn runs so well now that i can make it through any game ive played and has n64 now too

all systems after those, i actually prefer soft emulation for the great enhancements they provide

[wise brook]

if you want to play the systems on a nice CRT, then FPGA might still be a need, unless this recompile tech spreads out from N64 emulation

[untold spear]

enhancements on psx/n64/saturn kinda look like gift wrap on a weirdly shaped used toilet brush

[wise brook]

also i want sega arcade hardware at home without remortgaging the house

MODEL 3 or bust!

[untold spear]

lol the recompile stuff made me have hope for conker

i bet someone at some point will just make it work

but more pc ports may be coming..

think pc is now the best way to do zelda oot/mm and sm64

perfect dark too

[wise brook]

that with a vga monitor sounds kino

[burnt matrix]

the Pi 5 plays Model 3

[wise brook]

if PCs weren’t such a pain in the ass to get 240p out of I’d be quite a happy bunny

[burnt matrix]

ok….

[lost totem]

haven't heard of OpenFIRE before. can't wait to see what it's got going

[naive whale]

saturnday over on #share-media

[dense hill]

does saturn have multitap support (outside of snac) yet?

wanna play me some bomberman

[light magnet]

I thought it did already.

[dense hill]

the last time I tried it it required snac

[simple hound]

hey all just checking in to see if the latest mister update has any changes to 3.6 sdram?

2.6 I mean - for the saturn core specifically

[mortal mist]

no changes for 2.4/2.5

[tawdry lion]

you can read up on the updates themselves in the #unstable-nightlies channel

Have to ask, have you tried playing on yours yet? My 2.5 works fine

Not all may though

It's likely nothing can be done to address the ones that do not perform well, to be honest. Just an educated guess though

[mortal mist]

Even a 3.0 replacement does not 100% guarantee success with core saturn at this stage. I'm not surprised , people are asking about it.

I am not surprised that people are asking about it. Everyone would like to have a working and stable core

[tawdry lion]

The same user has asked many times

while there's no harm in asking, I don't think they realize that this will likely not be fixed. It'd be best to just order new RAM

Or actually try to play the core first, if they haven't already

[mortal mist]

gUmBo tested 2.5 and wrote about his results here several times.

[tawdry lion]

I was looking through the history and wasn't sure if the noted sound glitches were just from the core or from the RAM

Gotcha

yeah honestly I'd either wait for the core to fully mature, or go ahead and buy a 3.0 or 2.9 RAM with 2-chip design

[mortal mist]

There were several people here who changed sdram to 3.0 and still have problems.

[tawdry lion]

with 2-chip design?

And were they from reputable sellers?

[mortal mist]

Yes, Mister Addons

[tawdry lion]

hmm ... strange. Sorry. I wasn't part of those conversations

[celest ingot]

I got my sdram from LegacyPixels and it works perfectly

[tawdry lion]

not sure the seller may even be the issue. It seems to be random. Meaning it may be a supplier issue, perhaps inconsistencies with the memory.

hmmm

[faint sparrow]

Random question: Anyone ever use a racing wheel with their saturn core yet?

If people have recommendations on a specific wheel to get, I'm all ears

I'd like one that works across cores

[clear condor]

If your goal is wide compatibility, I recommend the Logitech G29

lots of stuff on and off MiSTer supports it

[faint sparrow]

Cool, that was what i was reading as well

And there aren't any differences between using it on Saturn core and other cores?

[hearty carbon]

how well does something like that work with FFB?

I know they can be pretty impressive with games that support it but I've never used one with a MiSTer or older consoles.

[faint sparrow]

Ya I'm curious if ffb actually works. I've read a few posts that seem to say it does but I haven't read that it works definitively

[hearty carbon]

They're cool wheels for sure

I've almost bought one dozens of times

I'm already a flight sim nerd though, I can't be falling down the racing sim hole.

[faint sparrow]

Ya, I like the g29 but I do not like the $300 price tag

lol same, I have enough specialty controllers. I'm trying to keep the missus from getting concerned hahaha

[clear condor]

It periodically goes on sale for $230, and occasionally goes even lower than that

you can also sometimes scoop them up on used sites - they're very much in that "I bought it, played it twice, and let it sit in the closet" category

[clear condor]

Not really - there is no FFB support from any core on MiSTer, so instead you get the default centering spring effect

[hearty carbon]

Does the PSX core not do FFB effects? Or the N64?

Those both had 'rumble' at the very least. Though, not the kind of nuanced FFB you'd buy a wheel for.

[faint sparrow]

Lol a VERY good point

[clear condor]

Mostly no. The PSX will make the Jogcon work via SNAC, but there's no way yet to pass the Jogcon FFB through Linux to an FFB wheel. The DualShock and N64 have simple rumble, not FFB, and there isn't currently any way to map rumble effects to a simple FFB wiggle effect

[dim tulip]

Do you mean in regard to the 2.5 ram working? That I can understand but it will kinda suck if a 2.9/3.0 ram lottery win is a requirement with the finished core, was hoping that as it matured that element would be more stable. I’m also very dumb when it comes to technical stuff so I apologize in advance if I sound kinda silly

I wonder if anyone with technical knowledge could explain more in depth why the issues occur/can’t be fixed. On my end at least both of my 3.0s seem to work well with the core, but it sucks for other folks that are still having issues

[faint sparrow]

So let me get this straight: the g29 will work with rumble effects for games on psx and n64, but those systems won't utilize the ffb the wheel has?

[clear condor]

It will have neither rumble nor FFB

[faint sparrow]

Aw bummer. Would a ps1 era wheel have rumble?

[clear condor]

Looks like a couple did, yeah https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/whats-the-best-ps1-steering-wheel.131085/

[faint sparrow]

Man, that's disappointing tho. It would be nice to have one wheel that works across all the systems

Is there any hope to add rumble to a wheel like the g29, or is that just not something that will ever happen?

[clear condor]

It's possible that you could interpret rumble as a simple vibration FFB effect, but I haven't heard of any efforts to do it

Note that PS1 had a lot of different ways to play driving games, and they all have some compromises. Like, the NeGcon has no rumble or FFB, but it's the only option that gives you analog accel/brake. The DualShock has rumble, but it has deadzones and digital accel/brake.

Meanwhile, I don't think any Saturn controllers had rumble/FFB of any kind

[noble escarp]

Some PS1 era wheels had rumble. Either by emulating a negcon with rumble, or a dualshock.

As nolbin said, saturn had no rumble at all.
A real wheel mapped to saturn would be usefull by emulating the saturns wheel or the 3d pad (as it can use the analog triggers).

[noble escarp]

I've made an adapter to use logitech wheels on ogXbox and it supports rumble effects. It's on my roadmap to also make it work in xinput mode, so it could be used on mister and would pass the rumble effect (when used on psx maped as dualshock)

[thorn pagoda]

i guess mister could natively pass it rumble effects too

afaik some real psx racing wheels did that

[noble escarp]

Yes. Wheels that works in negcon (with rumble) or dualshock mode

But psxcore does not support negcon rumble 😦

[thorn pagoda]

are you sure? i have a feeling i found out it works in colin mccrea 2 at some point

was years ago now though

[noble escarp]

I'm sure. I was going to implement it... but I know nothing of fpga programing XD

[thorn pagoda]

it might be pretty straightforward to do you could ask rob

its not a whole dualshock really it's the simpler dual-analog w/rumble mode afaik

[noble escarp]

I did it on duckstation (ps1 emulator)

It's mostly a "dualshock" as it needs to know a lot of commands. Device must report it's possible modes, actuators, and so on.
And there's also the legacy rumble mode that uses only one actuator. This one is simple to implement.

[thorn pagoda]

ah

[noble escarp]

Btw usb wheel to real saturn adapter is in the works 🙂

[warped saddle]

does the negcon use a different rumble protocol than a normal dualshock?

[noble escarp]

There's just 2 type of rumble on psx (3 if you count the JOGCON). The legacy one and the modern "dualshock" one.
The original negcon does not support any rumble. But later on some wheels got released for ps1 that implemented negcon with support for rumble.

Dualshock rumble requires some command exchange to enable rumble.
Legacy rumble just requires sending some specific bits at the poll command.

Basically every ps1 device could have legacy rumble and it would not break compatibility wih software.
But dualshock style rumble is more complicate... Like namco games does not work if you present it with a negcon that supports dualshock style rumble.

We can move this to PSX channel.

[tawny pendant]

I received the upgraded RAM for the Multisystem from Ultimatemister... Just to confirm the same as the others; Saturn core is now working.

[mortal mist]

Great 👍🏻

[ancient fractal]

What are the top SDRAM-sensitive games these days?

[mortal mist]

Sega Rally , Nights , Burning Rangers , Radiant Silvergun

Panzer Dragoon

[ancient fractal]

Thanks! I’ll give these a good spin on my trusty v2.5 RAM 😄

[alpine pagoda]

That’s great, thanks, my fomo super meter is almost full

[kind quarry]

Hopefully the updated 2.9v ram for the MMS comes out soon!

[alpine pagoda]

It’s out, that’s what @Flashback’s post was about, you can get it from ultimatemister

[thick oriole]

Since the 2.9/3.0 RAM isn't a guarantee yet, I'm holding off upgrading my 2.5, which seems to run Saturn at least somewhat well, although with audio issues at times.

Given the rapid progress, I wouldn't be surprised if it all gets sorted out at the end.

(If not, I'll buy a new stick, though. I don't think I'd do dual-RAM, still want to keep my analog board in place.)

[alpine pagoda]

Maybe a bit more clear cut with the multisystem, since afaik all of them have the same problems with Saturn core, and this new ram board is sold specifically as a fix for that… so it should work. It is possible the issues will be resolved anyway though, but who knows if or when.

[pearl harbor]

Join the modern RAM gang! Spend the money to be one of us!
||I'm kidding of course. ||

[alpine pagoda]

You sound like the voices in my head

[pearl harbor]

Who says I'm not the voices in your head! 😈

[burnt matrix]

The issues should be fixed by the time the core is done. Optimizations and refactoring happens at the end.

But having nonstandard ram could produce other unforeseen issues.

[strong zephyr]

It is a lottery, but if you want to have the best chance right now upgrading seems the best choice. But apart from saturn my 2.5 seems to deal with every core i throw ar it AND a small chance the issues will persist means i will indeed wait. Helps that i have a fenrir modded Saturn and feel pc emulation is also quite decent for saturn already.

[gusty quest]

The issues are caused by SRGs new SDram controller he wrote for the core, he stated it was the only way to make the single SDram version possible. Its sensitive to latency and stability

he said how it works is a first for a MiSTer core

[visual grove]

This is why I only use v4.0 ram

[cyan cove]

What do I do to fix this?

[mortal mist]

What is the game ? And which core version are you using ? You won't fix it, it's a bug in core most likely

[cyan cove]

The newest core and shining force scenario 1 English translation

Unstable from the discord

Also did the same thing with the update all core

[mortal mist]

Although you probably mean Save, I see an error in the graphics 😂

Since 2023-08-09 the Saturn core has the capability to save your game progress. In order to use the memory card you must first initialize it. Some games need an initialized memory card to start.

Start the core and wait for the load screen to come up
On this screen select 'Manage Memory'
Select 'Clear'
On the 'Okay to Clear' confirmation select 'Yes'
Go back to the main menu and you should be good to go - don't forget to set autosave to on on the MiSTer menu screen

Check pins

Vampier guide

[cyan cove]

Ok I did that earlier with the memory but I'll try it again

[thorn pagoda]

i think you use the open lid button to get back to the saturns bios then format the card there right

[cyan cove]

Yeah its still telling me the same thing not sure what I'm doing wrong

I'm loading the bios, going to memory, clear and confirm, then load game

I don't have any saves first time trying this core

[thorn pagoda]

you need to load the game then open the lid and bounce back to the bios to format it

every time the core loads a new game it also loads a fresh unique memory card

[cyan cove]

How do I open lid? I googled and checked the vampier guide I just don't see anything

[thorn pagoda]

somewhere in the osd i think

[cyan cove]

I'm not seeing it

I just tried Albert Odyssey and when it told me I didn't have ram to save it just auto booted me back to the bios and that worked for that game

Not sure whats going on with Shining Force III but I can't get back to bios after I load it.

ok now when I load shining force it works so I guess I just needed to initialize with one game

idk how it happened but everything seems to be working lol

[mortal mist]

Saturn
The software reset was mandated by Sega for the Saturn[3] and is performed by pressing A+B+C+ START simultaneously. Saturn games should be able to respond to the software reset at any point (save for when memory operations are occurring[3]) and return the player back to the title screen[3]. If the player is already on the title screen, the software reset should send them back to the BIOS (or "audio CD control screen" as it was also called)[3].

Any configured options must be retained during a software reset[3].

[cunning citrus]

You can load the game then L or R shoulder buttons, it will load into the memory manager, allowing to perform the operation that the game requires.

[drowsy hull]

the abc+start combo is nice to skip certain screens when starting games

[cyan cove]

Ah I see why I couldn't figure it out I was using a 8bitdo m30 2,.4ghz and apparently it clones c and l and z and r so I guess I'm gonna need a new controller

[cunning citrus]

Never though about pressing abc start before the tittle screen, the combo there makes it load the cdplayer, then I assumed pressing before would do the same, thanks.

[cunning citrus]

You can try holding A when loading the game on mister, it will avoid booting the game and load the cdplayer, from there you can load the settings then the memory manager.
While you dont get a controller you cam map skipping Y and Z to have L and R.

[drowsy hull]

at least I imagine to have skipped the startup of sf3.2, but it has been a few years...

[kind quarry]

the Retro-bit 3d saturn controller does this too, it’s very frustrating. the analogue triggers are the default L and R, while the digital ones are C and Z

[rancid jasper]

Anyone else having issues saving in Magic Knights Rayearth? I played several hours, saved in-game, went to menu where it said it was saving, reset, loaded my save fine. Booted it up today and saves are gone. Checked my Nights into Dreams saves still there so idk what’s up with MKR.

[hearty marten]

Have you tried messing around with different input modes? I’m using an M30 2.4G and don’t have any issues with cloned inputs. It’s a fairly popular controller that I’m sure many others are using too

[radiant karma]

I can confirm I can enter the memory manager pressing L1 while starting the saturn core, also a+b+c+Start will send you to the cd player / bios screen with a game loaded. So no problems with my m30 2.4ghz. I have it set to dinput mode as it also does double duty with both sega genesis mini consoles.

[quick sorrel]

Every now and then, in the Saturn core, my Saturn USB controller will continue directional input for an additional second or so without being pressed. Anyone else experiencing that?

It’s an original issue Sega Saturn USB controller.

[tawny forge]

Is True Pinball with messed up BG?

Can’t find open issue for it

[cyan cove]

Is yours the newer version with USB c? I got the old one

[rancid jasper]

Has anyone gotten Saturn controllers to work with Snax64 on the newer SNAC supported Saturn cores, 5/16 and 5/20?

I get jumbled buttons on the regular controller and 3d Control pad is undetected.

[pearl harbor]

I can't speak for Snax64, but on regular SNAC they work fine on my end.

[hearty marten]

Yep, mine’s the new one with USB-C

[cyan cove]

That might be why then I've tried every the different modes and mine still clones

[hearty marten]

I wonder if a firmware update could help?

Or if someone else with the old version of the controller can reproduce the issue

[radiant karma]

I have the old one. micro USB. As I mentioned before I have no problems with the controller. have you used the input test to double check? You do need to reconfigure the controller in main and inside the core if you switch modes.

[burnt matrix]

Try pulling the Saturn cable out slightly from the adapter. Earlier adapter cables have issues with Saturn controllers if you plug them in all the way.

[ripe valley]

Next version of the core soon (Saturnday ?)

srg320 is trying to fix some bugs like with Fighters Megamix.

[mortal mist]

Yeah i saw hw commits yesterday

[ripe valley]

Multiple last times we saw a new core version within the next 48 hours.

[drifting crown]

I’m hoping for 480i fixes and lightgun support

[wise brook]

that will have several positive knock-on effects

[ripe valley]

I'm on it for opening the issue.

That's a regression.
Last working version was on 2024-04-23.

[fossil fog]

hey ya’ll, been trying to search around a bit and came up with nothing so far - but are backup carts still not supported in the sega saturn core?

[mortal mist]

Yes , no support for carts curtently

[fossil fog]

ah darn, thanks for confirming!

[mint jungle]

been a while since ive messed with the saturn core

holy crud it's amazing

much improved the last time ive tried it

[burnt matrix]

Yeah, to a complete noob like me it already feels “perfect”

It’s just a total blast to use the Saturn core

[mint jungle]

indeed

audio is good, no graphical glitches from what i can tell with all the games ive played. it's awesome

[serene thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/johnny-gioeli-crush40-crush-40-dancing-gif-5036825573159144338

[pearl harbor]

Love to see the Saturn love! ❤️

[serene thunder]

I been on that train since launch in the USA

It's cool that the core will also fill in some arcade stuff like Taito

SEGA super scaler, etc

Too Bad they never ported Kaiser Knuckle - That could have been cool

[pearl harbor]

Same! I didn't get my own Saturn right at launch, but my friend who I hung out with every day got his on launch day. It was wild having that surprise launch. Terrible decision by Sega, but it was fun for us to suddenly be playing Virtua Fighter that day when we had no idea it would happen.

Got my own Saturn when Nights released.

[serene thunder]

SEGA was in full on Bungle Mode at that point

[frail token]

No no, it was Genesis that had blast

[polar mountain]

Why is the Sega Rally announcer such a goddamned troll?!? I'm just trying to enjoy my replay here and the cool music but no.. "WHO taught YOU how to drive?...WHO taught YOU how to drive?"

[burnt matrix]

Husband of the where did you learn to fly lady.

[pearl harbor]

Ever try the code in Wave Race Blue Storm on the Gamecube where it makes the announcer constantly insult you? So good!

[hardy lodge]

That sounds amazing!

[polar mountain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfMRvPIPZ7c

[thin swan]

@naive whale hi, thanks for the great video on the Saroo, I've been using one for a few weeks and it's been awesome. it looks like we have the same version/firmware. it's interesting, I am able to run Street Fighter zero 3 with no issues (no config for this title) and Daytona USA has been good with the 500ms delay config

[naive whale]

It may very well be bad files. I just need to build a new SD card

No chance in hell I’m plugging a Chinese SD card into any of my systems haha

[thin swan]

I have a burner laptop I used but will format this SD card it came with. Amazing device !! playing my light gun games with the orange stunner gun. I also go the GDEMU for my Dreamcast, another amazing device. Broke out the MadCatz light gun for VC and HOTD

[ripe valley]

So much footage from 1996 with X-Men - Children of the Atom.
https://youtu.be/_L4jv1B8efs

And some X-Men - The Arcade Game during the first part.

[kind quarry]

in light of pride month… what are the gayest saturn games?

i feel like nights androgyny has got to place it in as a lgbt-adjacent game

[untold lintel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLxn54HylLg

[kind quarry]

oh hell yeah

[untold lintel]

I think you'll be hard pressed to top this

[subtle tusk]

Very easy to bottom it though

[vernal sun]

I first played this when randomly downloading games on SegaXtreme (well, one of the posted FTPs) around 2000. Had no idea what the game was. When I popped it in, it blew my mind. To this day it's one of the first games I load up on the Saturn when people who don't know the Saturn want to check it out. Love it.

[sharp dove]

Haven't visited a while on this core, how far has it progressed?

[mortal mist]

#1046941029296779344 message

[sharp dove]

Hooohhh~

[tawny forge]

Bringing my question here as the general channel is just useless:

I want to stress test my SSD connect through a SATA to USB cable on my MiSTer. Any CD based console super picky about CD timings that I could use to test it?

It could be Saturn, TGCD, PSX or any CD based core

[sharp dove]

Maybe ask from #help?

[tawny forge]

I was thinking people either from the PSX or Saturn channels might know from the top of their heads which games are super finicky timing wise but yeah

[open swan]

PSX is probably the most intense on that front, but I doubt it would be a problem.

Try playing a lot of Valkyrie profile. The game can lockup on original hardware if the disc is hard to read or the motor is worn down.

[pearl harbor]

Can confirm that Valkyrie Profile is super finicky on original hardware.

[tawny forge]

Thanks @open swan and @pearl harbor

[viscid token]

It's very very unlikely to be an issue. USB 2 is about 480Mb, which is orders of magnitude more than a real CD drive. Linux will also pre read and cache part of the file for you. If you want to stress test your setup, read and write files from the command line and benchmark that.

[untold lintel]

On paper microSD is the “slowest” and it’s never once been an issue. A lot of folks get way too hung up on media speeds when it has effectively zero impact on a mister

Your Neo geo game may take 3 seconds to load instead of 2.5!

[tawny forge]

I assume cartridge based cores shouldn’t be affected at all

[burnt matrix]

Yup, exactly @untold lintel

I don’t think I even notice the difference between an A2 rated card and one that isn’t haha.

[hardy lodge]

Isn't the sd card speed also limited by the slot? What speed is the sd card slot on the de10 even rated for?

[burnt matrix]

SD cards are great and can produce the least issues. Unless the cost for a 1TB is too high for you or you feel like 512GB is too little space.

512GB is more than enough for me since I use CHD compression.

[hardy lodge]

Yeah, I don't know if it's really important to have complete librarys for the systems. I just have everything I like and could like.

[burnt matrix]

I do the same, but I get and see the value of having a complete library and just randomly loading stuff up. That seems fun.

But I don’t do that myself, haha

[tawny forge]

I just moved to a 4TB SSD just because I needed all of those Japanese mahjong games for Saturn, PSX, MegaCD and PCECD 🤭

[pearl harbor]

4TB of mahjong.

[warped saddle]

lewdjongs really underprepresented on mister

[burnt matrix]

LEWDJONGS? lmao 🤣

Sounds like a suspect pirate name

Lewd Jong Silver

[serene thunder]

Sounds like somewhere you'd be eating right now

[burnt matrix]

I ate there once. Everything was deep fried, even the soda.

[serene thunder]

"Fried Coke or Deep Fried Soda is a frozen Coca-Cola-flavored batter that is deep-fried and then topped with Coca-Cola syrup, whipped cream, cinnamon sugar, and a cherry. It was introduced by inventor Abel Gonzales Jr."

I just had toes amputated after reading that

[burnt matrix]

Holy shit lmao

[serene thunder]

That would blow out my gustatory abilities for days

My parents wouldn't even let me have maraschino cherries due to the dye

[warped saddle]

there's a whole genre out there waiting for you to discover it, Robby

[wise brook]

https://fixvx.com/memory_fallen/status/1797615822577549706?s=46

oh hell yeah

[burnt matrix]

Woah holy shit!

[pearl harbor]

How would that even work without splitscreen!?

[wise brook]

how did sonic team handle two player on the Megadrive?

[pearl harbor]

Sometimes splitscreen, sometimes not!

[burnt matrix]

My favorite Sonic team coop was Yuji Naka going to jail with Taisuke Sazaki for insider trading

[pearl harbor]

I always thought that their implementation of the two player split screen mode in Sonic 2 was hilarious where they just chose to squish each player's half. Play that on a 16:9 screen stretched out for the ultimate in stretched screen action!

[trim nimbus]

political speech! burn the heretic!

[burnt matrix]

🔥🔥

[rotund steeple]

https://x.com/TZMWXdiyer/status/1797642063850385616

TZMWX (@TZMWXdiyer) on X

新购买的3D打印材料的颜色类似JVC土星外壳的青灰色，看着蛮舒服的，把去年做的一台土星掌机外壳换成了这个颜色，同时改名成Venus S。

它是一台完整的世嘉土星，并且内置Fenrir和VCD卡，1M/4M EXRAM和4M记忆卡

Twitter · Jun 3, 2024, 2:50 PM

Sega Saturn portable with Fenrir.

[bleak escarp]

I'm diving deeper into Saturn

Which will be nice to have already got a multitap and like 5 separate controllers not including the twin stick

[faint sparrow]

The snac is awesome

I don't think the saturn is fully compatible yet, but hopefully it gets there soon

[lofty spire]

i got a snax for my N64 controller and the fact that it just worked blew my mind

[faint sparrow]

lol same

I've been playing Ocarina of Time and it's so cool just plugging it in and everything works exactly as it would on the console

Also super cool that rumble paks are supported

[pearl harbor]

With SNAC, I believe it's fully compatible now outside of lightgun support.

[burnt matrix]

Anything major left for the core to implement?

[pearl harbor]

Just my soul, so I can become one with it.

Ahem, seriously though, I think lightgun support is the last major thing? I believe carts are also not supported yet other than the RAM expansions.

[hallow fossil]

Are the different ram upgrade carts supported now?

[pearl harbor]

I'm pretty sure the SNK ones aren't, but the other ones are.

[hallow fossil]

Is there any smart auto setting of these or do you need to do it manually per game?

[pearl harbor]

I always just have the 4MB one enabled by default in the core settings.

Or rather "DRAM 4M". I don't remember if it's actually 4MB specifically. 😅

[hallow fossil]

My memory of this is rusty, but I think there are certain games that can't use the 4mb but use the other one, which is why you can get switching carts

[untold lintel]

I'm very excited for light gun lol

[hallow fossil]

Being able to play the original HOTD with Wii mote would be really nice

[pearl harbor]

The Wii remote is shockingly good for lightgun games. Even gyro, when done well, is pretty good. I played through HotD arcade version on my Steam Deck (in docked mode) using a PS5 controller's gyro, and it worked really well.

[dull bane]

doesn't like only 1 saturn controller work via snac at any given time?

[noble escarp]

Some games supports multitap for just two players... Those should work via snac also (if you happen to have a multitap)

[sharp drum]

What’s the current status of Assault Suit Leynos 2 with the latest iteration of the core?

[dull bane]

well, my point being, is that there's no reason to order more than 1 adapter

[noble escarp]

Only if also going to use it on the reflex adapt 🙂

[dull bane]

multiple should work fine on reflex or blisster, true

[thorn pagoda]

not blisster that uses a different pinout

[hallow fossil]

What is missing/needs to be implemented in order for SNAC lightgun to work, and for mouse/Wii mote light gun emulation? Does srg320 need to work on these or are these things someone else who has done them for other cores would need to look at?

[unkempt kelp]

@inner token is the SNAC genius

[hallow fossil]

Good shout, he is the man there.

Is the Saturn SNAC design finalised and available to purchase? Is it an adaptor like NES, SNES etc. or a bespoke bit of kit like PSX, N64?

[burnt matrix]

I dunno, I use the one that @unkempt kelp sells and it's been great. I've used that to help blue test controllers for him since I've got a few wacky Saturn ones.

[dull bane]

https://github.com/kow/MiSTer-FPGA-Sega-Saturn-SNAC-Adapter

[hallow fossil]

Nice, so uses the standard SNAC adaptor

[dull bane]

you can get the board printed from jlc or pcbway or whatever, then solder on the connectors

[delicate mantle]

Yeah I have just been letting it sit in attract mode when I have it on, I think there was a regression, now it stalls after a while, a couple updates ago I could let it sit for hours,

[mortal mist]

it all changes dynamically, in the next core will work longer , or shorter , or without problems 🙂

Almost 3 weeks without a new core

[quick sorrel]

But the current one is quite nice for most games so it hasn’t felt like 3 weeks 👍

[mortal mist]

I'm not complaining 🙂

[hardy lodge]

Yo calm down, pinhead.

[light magnet]

Sheesh, I wish the Saturn had gotten the recognition it deserved way back when.

[burnt matrix]

It did, in Japan

[gusty quest]

The issue with the Saturn was it was too expensive and the launch titles were quite lacklustre. Even looking back on it now you can still see its shortfalls.

It had some great games still though

[burnt matrix]

The Saturn is an awesome system unless you like transparency games.

[wise brook]

launched with Virtua Fighter
had lackluster games

pick one

[burnt matrix]

Tekken 7 > Virtua Fighter 1

[wise brook]

no

[burnt matrix]

lol

you’re impervious to my trolling

[ancient surge]

To be fair, the SEGA Saturn port was pretty rushed out.

[wise brook]

by what standard

its gameplay is wonderful, fluid challenging.
there’s one bug i’ve come across thru extensive hours of play

[crimson hemlock]

Is there an up to date compatibility list for the Saturn core? Or are we at the point where it’s pretty much it more or less all works except for a few edge cases?

[gusty quest]

The issue was seeing the likes of Daytona on launch. The 2D stuff is really where it shines even now

[trim nimbus]

We didn’t know any better. Even Daytona looked pretty good at the time. No, it wasn’t arcade perfect and ridge racer looked better, but it was 3d at home and I didn’t hear any of my friends saying “this is crap”

[safe trail]

I know that at the time, I thought that 3D was a great technical achievement, but I never (even now) felt that it advanced gameplay, and in a lot of cases, it downright got in the way of it.

Even now it does sometimes

[trim nimbus]

Article on the subject: https://www.segasaturnshiro.com/2024/03/04/daytona-usa-on-the-sega-saturn-youve-been-lied-to/

And gameplay is definitely subjective, but the “graphics” were definitely not the brakes that modern viewpoints tend to apply to Saturn’s momentum.

[wise brook]

youtube slop makers lied!?!?

[burnt matrix]

My favorite genre of games is transparency and the Saturn had almost none of those games

[trim nimbus]

John Cena didn’t show up until well past the Saturn or PSX

[burnt matrix]

So true, you are very wise. Thank you.

[trim nimbus]

I am just waiting for the epic 4 part miniseries where Pandamonium reviews Daytona and tracks down every person who played it in the arcade and shows how it turned their life around.

[burnt matrix]

I liked Daytona but I was more wow’d by the massive theme park like multiplayer setup than the game itself.

It’s a fun game for sure, and I enjoy it.

[trim nimbus]

I’m probably the wrong person to comment on gameplay; I hated racing games until one of the few games I got for the PSX around launch was Ridge Racer. RR1 is still the only racing game I have played more than 5 minutes

[burnt matrix]

I saw Ridge Racer first so it stole the first impression wow factor of a blistering fast polygonal racer for me.

And of course I played Hard Drivin’ before that

[trim nimbus]

Haha, “play” is an interesting verb to use in conjunction with Hard Drivin’

[burnt matrix]

lol the arcade version was alright

It had force feedback!

Haptic feedback I mean

Shit was wild

[trim nimbus]

Hmm, actually I am sort of lying. Outrun was, is, and always will be fun. I have spent more than 5 minutes with outrun.

But in my defense it isn’t really a racing game.

[polar mountain]

Sega Rally for the win "Game ovaaar yeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!"

[trim nimbus]

Hard drivin’ wasn’t in any of the local arcades. I might have had a chance to try it on vacation, but it wouldn’t have been often.

[burnt matrix]

Sega Rally blew me away because of the physics

[polar mountain]

It's got a zebra!! And when your finished a guy creeps up behind you going "ffiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiNISH!"

What happens when you win in RR.... nothing that's what!

[polar mountain]

Also the name entry screen is so beautiful! With those big chunky pink purple letters! And then when you hit end the remaining letters all scatter to the four corners of the earth! Satisfying 😌

[pearl harbor]

You'll take your dithered fake transparency and you'll like it!

[trim nimbus]

Or, just play it via composite on an old 13" RCA tv and experience the way Palmer Lucky intended

@burnt matrix obviously doesn’t care about heirloom quality graphics

[burnt matrix]

I'm getting an IO Analog Pro! I'll finally join the cool kids CRT club!

[pearl harbor]

I see that Robby is susceptible to peer presure. How can we further utilize this knowledge?

I can say with absolute certainty. That the cool kids play Magic Knight Fat Baby Earth.

[trim nimbus]

And Virtua Fighter Kids Playground Super

[burnt matrix]

MAN, that game still won't boot for me when I use an MGL to launch it!

[trim nimbus]

are you using the 4MB ram cart? Need a lot of extra memory to store those big heads

[radiant karma]

Could the saturn core output 480i over hdmi? One of my misters is connected to an Oled TV using 1440p and I hate the artifacts on 480i games such as VF2. I have a Wii connected via composite and 480i does not look as bad as I thought it would.

[pearl harbor]

I mean, it's Virtua Fighter Kids, not Virtua Fighter Man! It won't boot unless you embrace your inner fat baby!

[mortal mist]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/170

[radiant karma]

I guess on analog output 480i it will be eventually implemented. What I meant was over HDMI output. So my modern TV can do the scaling over from mister 480i to 4k over HDMI.

[thorn pagoda]

it'd have to be a new feature in the mister scaler itself it can't output interlaced resolutions at the moment

[frail token]

Is that a genre?

[serene thunder]

The dithers were always a point of shame

[trim nimbus]

He said his tv handles wii via composite well, so I think he wants to bypass the scalar.

[trim nimbus]

https://mister-devel.github.io/MkDocs_MiSTer/advanced/directvideo/#list-of-adapters-with-are-known-to-not-work-with-direct-video

Eventually it should work, but I don’t think the Saturn core is configured properly yet?

[quiet bobcat]

hey guys, how you doing? I'm getting a black screen trying to launch anygame on the saturn core, anyone have an idea?

boot.rom is placed on the games/saturn

[pearl harbor]

Are you seeing the bios (the Saturn menu) when you boot up the core?

[quiet bobcat]

Nope, just to be sure, the original bios is a bin file i have to rename to boot.rom, right?

All bios i found online is a .bin

All i got is a black screen from the start

[pearl harbor]

It's been so long since I put my bios in the folder that I honestly don't remember if it was originally a .bin file. Have you tried a different bios file to see if it's just the one you have that isn't working?

You could also try to manually boot the bios from the OSD as well just to see what happens.

And yes, it should be called boot.com

[quiet bobcat]

I tried some bin files from cdromance, will try some more later, none of them booted the saturn on the core startup

[kindred peak]

Use composite! All things become clear. 😁

[untold lintel]

more like all things become smear.

[kindred peak]

Difference between "translucent" windows in Sega Rally and not. 😄

I guess everyone who owned a Saturn in 95 was using RGB on PVMs

[naive whale]

Saturn is the console that is permanently plugged into my PVM so logic checks out

[quiet bobcat]

oh just saw this, maybe that's what i'm doing wrong, will try it later

[burnt matrix]

That’s 100% wrong so hopefully renaming that will fix it

[quiet bobcat]

that's a print from a youtube video, i've tried load the boot.bin manually, tried changing the name to boot.rom but i couldn't boot any game yet

[burnt matrix]

Ohhhh

Maybe your bios is bad

[quiet bobcat]

i tried the ones on cdromance, will try a few of them later, both methods still works or only the boot.rom?

[burnt matrix]

I forgot, I’m waiting in the carpool line to drop my kids off at summer camp. When I get home I’ll check it out.

Got here a little early lol

[quiet bobcat]

hahaha nice!

thanks for the help!

[burnt matrix]

Actually what am I saying

Just use update_all