Sega Saturn

[gloomy hedge]

https://youtu.be/aTK0CCjFCQI?si=92NdAufR4597QNaq

Cool vod

Does Deep Fear work?

Looks like a fun little challenge

Ahem I mean nightmare

[hearty marten]

I read a GitHub issue saying someone had problems changing disc, but I don’t know if it’s been reproduced by anyone else

But I guess that means it works well enough to finish the first disc

[gloomy hedge]

Nice!

As soon as whack ram patch gets released that'll be one of the first to give a swing

[peak bear]

This is only tangibly related to the Saturn core:

All my games are in a single folder, and I want to move them all to folders named after each file so I don't use shared save ram. For the life of me I can't find an appropriate script or batch to do this. I've googled a fair bit but they're not quite what I'm looking for.

Anyone have something handy? My laptop is Fedora, desktop is Windows. So I can use either. Just need to plug the external drive in, open up the folder and run CMD or terminal from there to create all the folders and move the files.

[hearty carbon]

There's definitely one someone has posted here.

https://community.spiceworks.com/t/auto-create-folder-based-on-filename-and-move-the-file-into-its-folder/975625 here's one I found on here. Use at your own risk, etc., etc.

[peak bear]

Thank you, that's perfect. I'm not sure if it comes with an echo function or something similar but I always test with unimportant things first.

Yeah, looks like it does have echo so I'll just change it to be on and run a test first but that's exactly what I needed. 😀

[mortal mist]

Logic utilization (in ALMs) : 39,456 / 41,910 ( 94 % ) , nice 🙂

[burnt matrix]

HUAHUAHUA see you later single rammers!

[burnt matrix]

Oh wow, this new build unlocked Shenmue on Saturn!!

I feel bad for the single rammers who have to wait to enjoy that

[mortal mist]

only few minutes 😛

[burnt matrix]

[burnt matrix]

[clear condor]

I see

[random shard]

dual ram master race

[naive whale]

ooh fun

[gloomy hedge]

THIS WHOLE TIME

WE WERE USING

ILLEGAL RAM CYCLES?

https://tenor.com/view/police-cops-sirens-gif-5801437

[naive whale]

ping me with any other improvements that were found please 🙂

[gloomy hedge]

that explains why my wife is in jail

I just thought it was because she bought weed from the sketchy guy down the street

but no

it was because of illegal ram cycles in the cores we GIVE OUR CHILDREN

shame

glad its fixed

[thorn pagoda]

this isn't a complaint at all but i wonder why srg320 is holding off on doing the gourad shading stuff for so long

seems like its maybe the last missing "feature"

[fresh gale]

Pure speculation but he might want to ensure the dependant code is bulletproof before falling down the rabbit hole. Would be a pain in the cockgina if there were doubts about a related component during the inevitable regressions

[thorn pagoda]

yeah probably something like that

[fresh gale]

Here’s a worse reason: there’s no space left for it! 😬

[mortal mist]

We went from 98 to 94%, it's good 🙂

Probably there will be even more optimization before gourard

[tawny forge]

Does this fix @gloomy hedge ‘s MiSTer?

[gloomy hedge]

im always happy to try

I have been summonzd

the saturn core has become so esoteric that we cant even get it in #unstable-nightlies any more

now we have to rely on grassroots hackers like @mortal mist to deliver the goods in backalleys of #1046941029296779344

🕵🏾

[gloomy hedge]

thanks .. now my keyboard is full of coffee as it pertains to the term "cockgina" which I fucking love

I'll grab the farm to table core above and im still on 3-13 unstable nuclear mister so lets see if my home explodes leaving only a fine mist of black hair and fur of me and my cats

[hearty marten]

Seems like that failed build the other day really messed things up

Is it worth @-ing theypsilon, or would that be rude?

(Just to make him aware, rather than to request a fix)

[naive whale]

the fail must have stopped the auto build

[hearty marten]

Yep

[warped saddle]

hold up, let me look. usually it wouldn't do that

[hearty marten]

Basically the difference between an && and a ; somewhere in the depths of a GitHub action

[gloomy hedge]

its way worse

so should I not be using japanese bios for usa games or something?

I went back to a NON region free bios

let me go back to my region free bios

I'll do the COLDEST most FRIGID of boots

and then show you guys what happens

[warped saddle]

coco3 core broke repo sync, lol

[sacred goblet]

New Games fixed with today release?

[gloomy hedge]

same outcome

the core is getting worse and worse for me

Sega Rally now has graphical artifacts and the sound stops immediately after the intro and I get no voice over

the game is now completely unplayable and will not boot into car select even

every core its gotten worse and worse

I tried this 3 times with cold boots and 3 different bios to double check

same outcome

[naive whale]

well thats not right

[gloomy hedge]

testing this core has me completely disenfranchised with it lol

[naive whale]

@gloomy hedge you got ghosts in your MiSTer

[hearty marten]

I’m convinced your DE10 is screwed up somehow

[gloomy hedge]

the intro now consistently has sounds

which is awesome

[sacred goblet]

I will try it later but the last version was working very good for me

[gloomy hedge]

dont try to back to me, game

jk

yeah honestly I think I'll just bow out from testing

if you guys are convinced my mister is just evil then what good is it doing anyone

its frustrating me, and not helping you

its just wasted time and effort

[naive whale]

@gloomy hedge ill have some time soon to meet up. Test your shit

my wife is going out of town for a few days for work

maybe we can get a video out of it

[gloomy hedge]

I mean if my shit is fucked then what

[hearty marten]

Did you ever try the Terasic user acceptance testing?

http://mail.terasic.com.tw/~tien/20210616/Notes_for_DE10-Nano_Users.pdf

[gloomy hedge]

im not gonna buy another de 10

every other core works absolutely beautifully

I already bought a saturn

😎

spent almost $1000 to not have to deal with it, so really its not worth the headache unless YOU @naive whale feel it is worth the science

I dont want to waste any one else's time with my personal problem if it is indeed a personal problem

[gloomy hedge]

haha

I dunno if this video will be a good thing for the community

[naive whale]

its worth it for science

[gloomy hedge]

yeah if you wanna do science

im always down

as long as someone is getting some value out of it, im down but I dont like being the negative nancy

its not a fun place to be

[naive whale]

basically I just want to swap in and out parts until we find what "fixes" it then backtrace why that part would be presenting an issue

[gloomy hedge]

yeah go for it, as long as I dont lose my every perfect core except saturn mister out of the process

[warped saddle]

I hope you bring it over to Awbacon's place and it just magically works with no changes

[gloomy hedge]

a non destructive testing is fine

[gloomy hedge]

hahahahahahaha

[naive whale]

oh so I cant put it in the dryer and tumble dry it? for science...

[warped saddle]

like your house is possessed or something

[gloomy hedge]

I would probably add my self to the list of crime scenes outside awbacon's house

[gloomy hedge]

gosh I hope not, I just got this new house and everything else has been amazing in here

[naive whale]

lol shhhhhh...I dont want people knowing where I live

[gloomy hedge]

yeah south africa is a pretty scary place

[naive whale]

Chicago is close enough. Start looking up crime articles and you will find my actual house

[gloomy hedge]

I mean

what

so I cant post this

[warped saddle]

as a fake internet lawyer I would advise you to cease confessing on the internet

[naive whale]

lol I have another fake internet lawyer vid today at 4

so I can have people tell me how wrong I am about everything even if I taught entertainment law to college kids and have 20 years experience in IP/Copyright (as a non-lawyer)

[gloomy hedge]

anyways jokes aside I'm gonna mute the channel - it's been real, I'll wait for the "official" releases through update all and if there's one that is decent enough to go up there I'll test that

fun times ❤️ I do not want to be a distractor any further

[naive whale]

the only distraction you provide is the odor...take a shower! (you are always welcome here)

[gloomy hedge]

I'll return when a core shows up on update_all

with whatever that ends up being

[mortal steppe]

@gloomy hedge did your de10 nano runs correctly the Mario Bros arcade core without issues? This was a core that gived strange problems to me and others, and runned perfectly at others. My MiSTer seller (ManuFerhi) in the end changed me the de10 nano board, that had nothing broken but for strange reason on that core gived these problems (no SDRAM problem because It does not required SDRAM installed)

[naive whale]

ooh good point

[gloomy hedge]

is it something I can detect immediately?

my mister is still on I can load up the core...

this one?

[mortal steppe]

Yes i Remember Flying sprites, severe slowdowns and strange behaviour in general

[gloomy hedge]

seems fine to me

Its still running

I'll let you knjow if something funky happens while I do other work

honestly you tell me, I dont see any issues, and I dont know this game

[sacred goblet]

Is neccesary to do this update to compile the saturn core correctly?

[ancient surge]

Been toying around with the Direct Video with the SEGA Saturn core on the Morph 4K.

Not surprisingly interlaced content is acting pretty wonky, but the SEGA Saturn does have a pretty weird way of handling 480i, so I'm assuming it's the Morph 4K having issues. The RetroTink 4K went through similar problems.

[mortal steppe]

Yes seems to run fine

https://youtu.be/Qi5EBcDPp0I?si=F3NwKAvQT_VCThwA

[gloomy hedge]

Oh this is fuxed

Lol

Damn

lmao

[wet crescent]

Hey everyone,

I was wondering if there was a definitive list of file formats supported by MiSTER for the Sega Saturn core, I couldn't really quite find this other than it seems CHD is supported since I saw it called out.

I own a Rhea/Phoebe (real hardware ODE), which unfortunately doesn't support BIN/CUE - but I'd like to try to settle on a file format that has the most compatibility across the devices I own. https://consolemods.org/wiki/Saturn:Phoebe/Rhea

Can anyone confirm if CCD (ccd+img+sub) is supported by the MiSTER Saturn core? Thanks all 🙂

[stiff patrol]

bin.cue and chd

[wet crescent]

Thank you! Do you know if there's somewhere, like in the code, GitHub, or site where it lists this? I wasn't sure if my Google-fu was good enough, or if this is just known information that people have from experience.. was just curious if there was a way to reference or cross check for Saturn (and maybe other cores?) for the future, as I might look to do the same for PS1 next, for example.

Thanks again 🙇‍♂️

[burnt matrix]

When you load the core up there’s a load disc option that identifies the file types supported I think

[tawny pendant]

@gloomy hedge are you using the netlink Sega Rally? Normal version let's me play the first race (got excited... audio didnt mess up until just before finish line this core.) The netlink version gives me the same thing as you.

[gloomy hedge]

lol on the "right before finishline"

that was netlink (above)

but I have historically seen zero difference

so I am not inclined to test both

like everytime I try both the last 10-15 times I have not seen any different behavior, same with bios changes

also same with japanese version of the game vs USA version

[tawny pendant]

Have you tried turning off you Mister and turning it back on again????!!!!!

[gloomy hedge]

the good news is the core is getting more consistent for me

its getting consistently worse

and getting the same outcome

I tried 3-4 times on the above video and got the same exact outcome, very nice

[gloomy hedge]

omg

no I've never turned it off since I got it

4 years straight

let me try that, wow! it plays dreamcast now!

(sorry lmao)

[tawny pendant]

Is Norton Antivirus on?

[gloomy hedge]

let me check my autoexec.bat file

ah wrong dma channel

my b

these IRQ's are all fucked

got a SCSI when I shoulda got a SATA

wrong hard drive dipswitch on master vs slave

this LPT1 cable is frayed

etc.

[rigid obsidian]

ahh, your ports are all scuzzy, no wonder

[tawny pendant]

I still think it has to do with the wrong RAM slot with you if it's 3.0.... but my multisystem RAM isn't cutting it

[gloomy hedge]

I like to keep my ports mad scuzzy yo

if someone buys me a new mister that is as good as old faithful I'll be happy to just send this mister to the smithsonian where you all can just dissect it to your hearts content

but I actually love my mister

im attached to it, real talk

[tawny pendant]

I'm sure this is redundant but you ran the RAM test?

[gloomy hedge]

I dont think I'll ever get rid of it

yes ive ran every test imaginable

I tested the PH of my saliva this morning too just to make sure it wasnt too acidic

before turning it on

[tawny pendant]

Did the ram test fail at all?

[gloomy hedge]

no

neither did my old 2.5 either

[tawny pendant]

That really is weird. Mine hits stable at 142 or 141

[gloomy hedge]

doesnt matter

its the core

its inconsistent for everyone

dont know why but thats the truth of the matter

I recommended it to a couple friends of mine who had misters and they basically siad it didnt work at all

but that was when it was dropped onto update_all back in the day

I just tell them " its not worth the headache, just wait "

I'm also not going to tell them " test your ram "

because what is the outcome?

they gonna get a free ram?

do they have to buy new ram to get saturn to work? that hasnt been my experience at all

so I wouldnt recommend that to them either

[tawny pendant]

I'm building another mister for an arcade cab this weekend so we'll see if I get a cursed de-10. I did buy one of those refurbs for some reason.

[gloomy hedge]

so at this point there is no "bulletproof" path

and every other core is bulletproof and even ones that arent done are bulletproof

[sacred goblet]

I confirm i have graphical Glitch on Sega rally

[gloomy hedge]

so the core is in "experimental"

[gloomy hedge]

title screen?

[pearl harbor]

Bummer, X-Men vs Street Fighter still crashes.

[naive whale]

I feel like that’s our go to test now for new cores

[pearl harbor]

Pretty much. There aren't a lot of games left that outright crash at this point. At least not well known ones anyway!

[mortal mist]

Yeah it's a regression

[pearl harbor]

Also appears on the screens between each race during the rally.

[rotund steeple]

ingame is fine though.

[mortal mist]

yeah 🙂

[gloomy hedge]

lies

there is no game after that

[rotund steeple]

Probably related to the VDP2 fix for Sonic Jam and Thunder Force V.

[wise brook]

has anyone compared and contrasted the current build against the last to see if it did indeed fix the intended issues?

[mortal mist]

Waku Waku issue is closed , Zet-sensi checked it

[thorn pagoda]

anyone checked sega rally doesn't do that on real hardware? it in the overscan zone

[mortal mist]

nah the same issue is in the Thunder Force V during the game

in some places

[sacred goblet]

Yes

[gloomy hedge]

can confirm, not a thing

that I CAN do

real saturn stuff I can test

[mortal mist]

this bar moves right and left in Thunder Force V

[rotund steeple]

Yep, still graphic glitches in Thunder Force V

[serene thunder]

Is this the real Jack Black

[mortal mist]

text in hires is fixed

[rotund steeple]

Seems so.

[mortal mist]

Sonic Jam is fixed too , manual

that's what the changes were about , hires

[wise brook]

thx kuba

[rotund steeple]

Is it normal that i have to zoom in the manuals? It's unreadable in normal size.

[mortal mist]

yes

[rotund steeple]

This is horrible done. LOL.

[drifting frigate]

It was targeting TVs, so it's fairly well done considering.

[rotund steeple]

The Amiga has a 640x200/640x256 Hires mode too. Which is perfectly fine readable on CRT TVs. I find it hard to believe that this was the best the Saturn is capable of. Did they scan the original manual and put it in the game somehow? Would explain why it looks so bad.

[wise brook]

get segata sanshiro in here!

[rotund steeple]

Some heads have to roll for this. 🪓

[wise brook]

https://tenor.com/view/segata-sanshiro-karate-taekwando-gif-4880719

[wise brook]

bruh

all these years playing Astal and I only just discover you can play as the bird?

[severe whale]

yeah Deep Fear works fine

[random shard]

Whoa! I don't have that background, I need it!

https://tenor.com/view/gimme-gif-5731137

[random shard]

https://tenor.com/view/brucelee-bow-master-smile-gif-15509287684475744673

[gloomy hedge]

whoa did you just find it or something haha

I can give you mine if y'all want it

I do really like it, I hope you do too @random shard it really hits me in the right spot when I go to game

[random shard]

I love anything synthwave themed

[gloomy hedge]

here's the exact one on my mister

[random shard]

Pink neon + blue = success in my book

[wise brook]

I just went to wallpapers and art hit the search icon and went to the media tab, you were near the top

[gloomy hedge]

haha nice

you know whats odd

these are different pictures!

[random shard]

https://tenor.com/view/theyre-the-same-picture-the-office-pam-the-office-us-gif-20757621

[gloomy hedge]

mine is somehow smoother

[gloomy hedge]

THEY AINT THO

[random shard]

Do they look different when blown up in a pc screen? I'm on my phone right now

[gloomy hedge]

its extremely subtle

legit you wont notice lol

but the one I posted seems to have less artifacts

odd

https://tenor.com/view/wow-thats-weird-elf-odd-strange-gif-19521039

[burnt matrix]

The original manual interaction is a polygonal model of a manual. Each page is a low res texture because of texture limitations. When you zoom in it swaps to Saturn’s 2D high res mode where texture resolutions aren’t a limitation which is why it’s so much more readable.

[rotund steeple]

Ah, zoom triggers the hires mode.

[naive whale]

You are a low res texture

[serene thunder]

I've been wanting to play that game with 2 players and see what wackiness is possible

[mortal mist]

Yeaahhh Gouraud!!!!

❤️

[warped cliff]

omg

[naive whale]

Wow nice

Looks like an update video is due tomorrow then

[naive whale]

Some may even say…GouRay!

[mortal mist]

I don't know if the automatic complication for unstable nightlies works

Unfortunately, I won't be home until about 2h

Official release!

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-hype-gif-26531645

[analog totem]

oooooh baby

[hearty marten]

Oh man!!!!

[naive whale]

What games feature gourad the best? I can’t remember these days

Powerslave and Burning Rangers needed it per my recent looks at the game

Sonic R

[hearty marten]

I’ve seen people comment about Nights looking rough without it

[naive whale]

True. I think VF 2 uses it as well

[hearty marten]

What a week! N64 RC and an official Saturn build which seems to add the last major feature

[ancient surge]

GOURAUD SHADING IS FINALLY HERE!!

[naive whale]

Fighters Megamix I think too. I’m sure 100s of games utilize it. But I’m trying to think of the “obvious” ones

[sacred goblet]

What?

[hearty marten]

Provided there are no major regressions, this should make the core pretty much perfect for the games I want to play

[ancient surge]

The lighting system that quite a number of SEGA Saturn games used. The current implementation is broken.

[sacred goblet]

oh i see! Official release!

[naive whale]

Just gotta wait and see if bot will build it or not

[hearty marten]

Official release means update all should pick it up, I think

As in srg320 literally committed the rbf to the repo

[naive whale]

Oh is this going to update_all?

[hearty marten]

I would have thought so

[naive whale]

Sorry still having my first coffee lol. So I’m not 100%

[hearty marten]

S’all good 👍🏻

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/tree/main/releases

[sacred goblet]

No available with update all yet

[naive whale]

Ahh. I didn’t realize he’d pushed it to this branch

[slow osprey]

Is this dual or single SDRAM build?

[hearty marten]

I suspect single, cos that’s what the others were

[hearty marten]

Update all just pulled it in for me

[naive whale]

doesn't have the dual designation either so safe bet Id presume

[naive whale]

ok so its live? Will update MiSTer after I get my vid out at 8

[naive whale]

or can we just pull the core from the repo? Ive never tried that

[hearty marten]

You could if you want. It’s just a file after all

But that screenshot was the result of just running update all

[sacred goblet]

Strange

[hearty marten]

Maybe there’s some weird caching issue across some kind of GitHub CDN type thing

[naive whale]

I pulled the core. I will see how that goes

[sacred goblet]

Is ok for me too !!! With update all

[naive whale]

maybe I will do a vid today. Saturday's usually suck but

[hearty marten]

I’ll watch it, so that’s at least one view 😂

[naive whale]

ping me w/ good games to test if you find some

[hearty marten]

Will do, but I’m not much of an expert on how it should look tbh

[warped saddle]

SRG with the apple style news post

'Lots of fixes'

[naive whale]

haha yeah seems like the culmination of the last 60 days in one thread

I saw that in my inbox

[hearty marten]

Saturn core is magical

[sacred goblet]

Sega Rally régression in unstable release is fixed. Gouraud shading is working properly on nights

[warped saddle]

I do like the commit 'fix gouraud shading' leads to 'lots of fixes'

[naive whale]

does Sega Rally or Daytona use gourad?

[tawny forge]

Shitty ram fix finally? @gloomy hedge shitty MiSTer fix? 😱

[warped saddle]

there's not really that many changes from previous day's build. I mean other than fixed gouraud

[naive whale]

yeah that email may throw people off since it reads like "all these fixes are today" and not "months of work in one post"

[mortal mist]

No change for ram

[ripe valley]

I've updated some issues logs, I'm not at home at the moment (just leaving the hospital after a LONG week there).

I need some more time for testing.

[naive whale]

core being weird...static in the boot again

[sacred goblet]

Works great for me

[naive whale]

well on Nights

Daytona USA attempt next

works fine...maybe Nights files are angry

[sacred goblet]

Nights is working great for me

[naive whale]

trying again

must be files...I get static in the bios and then it wont boot

[hearty marten]

Works fine for me too

[naive whale]

Sonic R next...I know that uses gourad

yeah must just be a bad Nights then

[hearty marten]

VF2 looking absolutely amazing on the core

[naive whale]

Sonic R fine so far

ill grab the japanese nights. Maybe my US dump sucks

[rich violet]

Pandemonium looked really bad before. I'm not sure if it was Gouraud or not

[naive whale]

god Sonic R is truly a bad game lol

[hearty marten]

Not sure if it was ever even claimed to be fixed, but first time I’ve tried in a long time - DOA still has some slowdown, but infinitely better than before. Not sure if it’s accurate to hardware, or gets much worse further into the game (seemed ok-ish 3 rounds in)

[naive whale]

Sonic R looks nice

[gloomy hedge]

When the core actually gets into update all... Wait... Did it lol

This core is trying to spite me

I was joking about testing once it got into update all assuming it wouldn't for a while

[naive whale]

trying Xmas nights in a bit

VF 2 good as well

[gloomy hedge]

My ram is 3.0 tho so it's not a ram issue anyway

[green swift]

Is the core in Update_all?

[naive whale]

yep

[rich violet]

Pandemonium is fixed!

[green swift]

Sweet 🙂

[hearty marten]

Nights into dreams makes NO sense to me 😂

[green swift]

I’ll give the core all of the v2.5 RAM it can handle. 🙂

[naive whale]

you give everyone 2.5"

🤣

Burning Rangers next

[rich violet]

Oooh, this core fixes the shading bugs in Sega Rally's Time Attack car selection screen

Looks great now

[naive whale]

i think BR has gourad

the one category I cant remember...what uses gourad

[hearty marten]

Powerslave also looking pretty damn good

[naive whale]

although its near to impossible to ever know what in Burning Rangers is core visual glitches and what is just the game basically being near to broken at all points

[rich violet]

Sega Rally must have been using it on the time attack car select screen

IIRC people said tomb raider looked bad before, might have been gouraud shading

Sega Rally time attack course select looks better too

[naive whale]

moving Xmas nights over

see if that works

[mortal mist]

Well it's must be related to ram , so 🤷

[gloomy hedge]

Ah yes I don't know enough to make this claim but if that is the case then I got two booty ram sticks from chop!

[naive whale]

Xmas Nights fine

[rich violet]

Oh, wow, the Unreal demo looks great now! I just played as far as getting the gun and the lighting is amazing

[gloomy hedge]

Wait gourad is in this update as well?

[naive whale]

yep

[mortal mist]

yes

[limpid wharf]

what are we testing?

[naive whale]

I am capturing now

bout done. Then to edit and VO for 4

[gloomy hedge]

Gotcha. Have fun yall

[naive whale]

did Sonic R, VF 2, Daytona, Burning Rangers and now Xmas nights. Will pop one more game in for fun

[rich violet]

@naive whale In Pandemonium the difference is night and day

[naive whale]

I can see if that is on this SD card

I am trying just to capture bangers

[hearty marten]

Time gal sadly not working in this core, but looking at GitHub, that’s known

Shame cos it was working a few weeks back iirc

[limpid wharf]

still hearing some pops and crackles here

in daytona at least

mother of god the volume in pandemonium

fml

[mortal mist]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/88

fixed

[ripe valley]

Ninja'ed

I was writing it.

😂

Same for Tomb Raider health bar + GFX.

[mortal mist]

yes

[naive whale]

Xmas nights looks great

[ripe valley]

Croc, VF2, Sega Rally, Nights (and XMas Nights), Pandemonium, Burning Rangers are correct now.

[naive whale]

trying pandemonium quickly

[leaden dagger]

Wait. Did they finally fix goraud shading?

[rich violet]

Yep

[naive whale]

yep its in the core now

[rich violet]

The release pretty much marks the core's ascension to perfection

[mortal mist]

Tomb Raider looks cool now 🙂

i'm happy

[leaden dagger]

Goraud-damn
That's good news

Apologies for the terrible pun

[naive whale]

Pandemonium does look MUCH better

[ripe valley]

Croc too.

[naive whale]

to editing

see you all at 4...for the vid to be a saturday dump lol

[hearty marten]

What time is it now? 😄

[naive whale]

9:12 AM here

[hearty marten]

Cool, thanks

[burnt matrix]

Is the core working? Nights still sucks for me.

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/segata-sanshiro-throw-gif-5612078

[burnt matrix]

😂

[naive whale]

the core has DRM

Digital Robby Management

it wont let you play

[burnt matrix]

❤️

[river wing]

Wow all these fixes... Incredible! It's holidays here in Spain and I don't have to work until next month, this will rock 😄

Saturn Holidays!

[burnt matrix]

[sudden tusk]

Holy shit!!

[burnt matrix]

omg Powerslave texture shadow issues fixed

[sudden tusk]

Where’s the build ?

[burnt matrix]

Just do update_all

[limpid wharf]

it's released

[sudden tusk]

k I’m on it !

[burnt matrix]

I can finally evaluate Powerslave now that it’s working correctly. PS1 version is better!!

[burnt matrix]

I won the dang it awards!!!

[mortal mist]

Burning Rangers looks nice now

[burnt matrix]

I’m kidding Saturn is awesome

[burnt matrix]

Ohhh I’m so excited playing that now

[mortal mist]

don't lie , pi5 spy

😛

[hearty marten]

Pi spy with my little eye

[mortal mist]

just kidding Robby ❤️

[sudden tusk]

Hawwwwly shit

[burnt matrix]

Holy shit the game looks so much better!!

[mortal mist]

yeah absolutly

[burnt matrix]

what a cool ass game

[limpid wharf]

is it looking gouraud to you?

[burnt matrix]

lmao

[scenic snow]

There still some instabilitites in SF3 right?

or was all that fixed too?

shining force 3

[mortal mist]

works good

no open issues on github for this game

[limpid wharf]

looks like i need to yeet 2.5d ram

well, maybe at least

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-day-sister-gif-5784347

[prisma wraith]

First official release! Yay! 🎉

[twin canyon]

if the core is "finished", does that mean ten new @naive whale videos?

[prisma wraith]

Need at least one video dedicated to Gonad shading

[twin canyon]

helloimvideogameesotericaandthesaturncorewasfinishedtodayicantbelieveitcanyouwhocaresletsgetrightintothisholycowthiscoreissosmoooothandillseeyouinmynextvideo

[naive whale]

69

[twin canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/why-would-someone-even-do-this-nik-nocturnal-what-could-possible-motivate-someone-to-do-this-i-cant-even-fathom-why-someone-would-do-this-i-dont-understand-why-anyone-would-do-this-gif-1693873259084669551

[frail token]

So I hear there's a little update

[twin canyon]

yes and it does not require a logo remaster from you

[naive whale]

Big update: @burnt matrix finally admitted he is Hank Hill

oh and something about gourad shading

[sudden tusk]

Based

[sudden tusk]

Based

[frail token]

But we've been throwing shade at Robby for months

[twin canyon]

for three years we have waited patiently for this core to be done. imma hit up the atari core

[naive whale]

what is "done" anyway lol

[twin canyon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFjqOQxSAJo

heyyyy duuudes

[burnt matrix]

congrats on your video

nice job doing QA on that one Sierra game

that no one knows

[naive whale]

wow Robby out here being mean

who knew!

[quick sorrel]

Where can we manually grab the builds now?

[sharp violet]

I did want to follow this channel just like i did N64 but for whatever reason I didn't. I am not up to date.

So the core will now be part of update_all?

[naive whale]

Its been in update all since Oct, but hasnt changed SINCE the oct build

now today's build has merged with update all to be in main

[sharp violet]

Ahhhhh

[twin canyon]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer is this not the github for this core? it has plenty of issues

[sharp violet]

So that must mean a fair number of games are fully playable

[naive whale]

yeah its still not finished

although lots of casual MiSTer people will think that today

[burnt matrix]

I’ve run into him a few times, he is the fakest YouTuber I’ve met.

[gloomy hedge]

Posted this in #n64-dev like a moron

[naive whale]

nobody can be as authentic as VGE obv

[gloomy hedge]

So my other buddy tested the core

And you can see the results

Forward progress, inching ahead.

[safe trail]

Maybe some of the open issues will be able to be closed due to these updates

[frail token]

You have plenty of issues

[twin canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/bro-review-imax-laxman-bhibatsam-bro-crying-gif-25874631

[naive whale]

fun fact: in college Robby went to the clinic because he had some urinary issues...told the doctor he had a "Burning Ranger" 🤣

[safe trail]

To be honest, based on my experience with PC Engine core, some people make a GitHub account to lob an issue at a core, then never come back to close the issue once it's solved.

[hearty marten]

There are definitely a few of those on there

[safe trail]

So after today's update, there should be a sweep to see how many of these open issues should still be considered active

(or whether they are less severe than before)

[hearty marten]

@ripe valley and @mortal mist have been doing a great job at trying to get issues closed and keeping the issue list accurate

[safe trail]

Some new ones might also appear as well, but keeping the open issues list clean is important for the development process

[burnt matrix]

I just randomly close issues, if there’s no issue there’s no problem, win/win

[safe trail]

This is an important role, I'm glad somebody is taking care of it

Based on the nature and number of issues announced to be solved, its feeling similar to how the PC Engine CD core felt a couple of weeks before release.

[naive whale]

probably why I clipped to my death all the time in DOOM!

[safe trail]

And that was a very clean release

[burnt matrix]

if only the pc engine cd was a good console 😢

[safe trail]

(Sure, issues appeared after, but they were minor and solved pretty quickly)

[safe trail]

Now there's no call for that

[ancient surge]

Marvelous

[burnt matrix]

You know I’m kidding lol, I love that core

[hearty marten]

Worth it alone for Star Parodier

[twin canyon]

i mean it's - a - role

ya know?

i wouldn't say it's as important as my shitposter role

[hearty marten]

Plus there’s some game about vampires or something that I hear people are into

[naive whale]

how many times can you get Update into a title...THREE!

[safe trail]

If you're going to be a shitposter, you need more variety. Too many of the same image.

[quick sorrel]

Aiming for trollerballer award season already? 😛

[twin canyon]

i've failed as a shitposter?

[safe trail]

Monkey going to slap your head with a fan

25 times

[burnt matrix]

I felt bad after saying that to be fair and when @safe trail responded so calmly I felt like I disappointed my dad

[twin canyon]

i need some time to process this

[burnt matrix]

I don’t think I’m cut out for trolling lol

just felt ashamed

[quick sorrel]

It was a very dad-like response

[naive whale]

you have disappointed me Son

[hearty marten]

Robby’s not good at trolling…

[quick sorrel]

couldn't have been "more disappointed in ya son"

[safe trail]

I nearly said "Steady On", but I'm not British

[hearty marten]

…he’s great at it!

[hearty marten]

That’s a Britishism? Damn!

[quick sorrel]

I'm glad peeps are chill here

[safe trail]

So, I'm not keeping up so much with the Saturn core because when it's updated, so much changes... how is everybody feeling about today's update ?

Is it huge improvements, or a lot of little things resolved ?

[quick sorrel]

gonna play in the moring, bedtime here

[safe trail]

(There were a lot of things fixed according to the Patreon post)

[burnt matrix]

This is going to sound stupid but it feels “perfect” as in for a casual fan like me there’s no obvious issues I notice

[hearty marten]

Night and day compared with the October release

[burnt matrix]

Everything just looks and plays great

[mortal mist]

if anyone wants the DualSdram version

[safe trail]

That's really sounding a lot like the PC Engine approaching release too

[twin canyon]

see you in the m.m.morning

[safe trail]

Id be interested to see how many of those issues stay open after this

[hearty marten]

Sound much better, some QoL things like region autodetect, lots of major and minor visual bugs fixed. Less slowdown in some of the games that had issues (compared with Oct)

[kindred fractal]

loading different games in today's core seems better, no need to reboot the mister

[hearty marten]

Yeah, you don’t have to reset the core as often too. Still every now and then, but much less frequently

[safe trail]

Very nice

[twin canyon]

metal jesus says panzer dragoon saga is one of the best rpg's ever made. i'm looking at the footage. i think he lies.

[safe trail]

Maybe srg320 will work on PC-FX next.... you never know

[tawny pendant]

Finish Battletoads!

I completely forgot he was working on that

[sacred pulsar]

did the bomberman volume issue get resolved on the latest release?

[safe trail]

The oldest issue ? Comments say it's been fixed before today

(2 weeks ago)

I'm reading the issues log, and several of them have comments to close the issue

[sacred pulsar]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/9

[dense hill]

is the new core different from the previous unstable nightly single ram?

[mortal mist]

Yes

[dense hill]

ah okay. that one crashes a lot for me

[safe trail]

yes, look at the last 2 comments

[dense hill]

I will give this one a whirl

[mortal mist]

Yes , it's fixed

[sacred pulsar]

awesome. going to load it up now and take it for a spin. thanks!

[naive whale]

audio today for me was normal or slightly high

but again that may be what you'd get on OG hardware

[frail token]

hey, two good games are enough

[safe trail]

Yeah, some games are different volume levels as per original hardware

[safe trail]

But wait ! that's not all, there's more !

[naive whale]

nothing got me to rip my headphones out so thats always a plus

[sudden tusk]

Well it’s bug hunting time!!

Also what’s srg gonna work on next ?

[safe trail]

No idea. Im sure he'd be looking for something with a challenge... but hard to say. Not much left.

[frail token]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[dense hill]

wait wait, so is this core stable now?? or like.. stable-ish like before but with some new cool shading

[safe trail]

Well, today's update was huge, so people need some time to figure out what's still open

[frail token]

I actually prefer the sega CD version of Lords of Thunder

[dense hill]

my experience of this core has been "save every 5 minutes because it can crash any time anything new happens"

[safe trail]

BLASPHEMY !

[sudden tusk]

Cd-i !

[safe trail]

blasphemy again...

[dense hill]

oh boy!

[frail token]

yeah wait until you hear that I prefer the NES version of Dragon Spirit

[safe trail]

hahaha

[frail token]

I have hot takes all day

[dense hill]

my boy. this core is what all true warriors strive for

[frail token]

at least they're honest takes

[safe trail]

I dunno, srg320 might try PC-FX and Virtual Boy. That'd be interesting. Lots of overlap between these, and with other existing parts

[gusty quest]

There is cores with their origins 20 years ago that still have issues but mostly they are good enough

[mortal mist]

beam ray is fixed too 🙂

[dense hill]

@naive whale what has your experience of the saturn core been like lately?

I trust you as Mr Knows Cores

[naive whale]

Feeling like the home stretch

some games with a gun to my head I couldnt tell you MR or OG if I had to

others are obviously still bugged

[twin canyon]

phew!

[safe trail]

Also got to remember that some of these issues are already marked as "close", some are duplicates, and they haven't gone through today's fixes (not to mention that some could just be issues in the original games and also show on original hardware - I saw those types of issues on PC Engine too....)

[dense hill]

oh interesting that in update all now "_Blah" shows as "Blah"

[safe trail]

I guess the real question should be - how is Saturn core doing, compared with other non-original solutions (Mednafen, PolyMega, etc.) ?

[naive whale]

Mednafen is a very competent software emu

[dense hill]

question as well just to be clear on how everyone else uses the core, when you boot do you all click load bios first, then load the bios in your root, then insert disk, insert your chd?

[frail token]

Personally I'd really love to see someone try and finish the X68K core

[dense hill]

and.. when you first boot and having nothing in, what does your Cartridge and Region say? because mine says none japan

[sacred pulsar]

does anyone maintain a mister to OG controller mapping diagram? trying to find Saturn now and it is always a struggle.

[safe trail]

what I mean to say is, are there differences, and if so, which one has fewer issues ? Because the hardware isn't 100% understood, so there are still discoveries taking place.

[gusty quest]

core works fine for me, I havent tried any of the test builds for a week or two. Its very impressive

[frail token]

You know I feel like we really need one

Retropie has them

[dense hill]

I use AB = AB, XY = XY, Z = L2, L = L1, R = R2, C = R1

[frail token]

Yeah but like there's a default mapping, I'm curious what it is

[dense hill]

it feels like C is more important than belongs on a bumper but it's easier to remember

[frail token]

Like the buttons you map in main correspond to SOMETHING by default

I'm guessing A, B, X, and Y are all literal

[naive whale]

I havent run comparisons yet. If I was going to use an emu it would be Mednafen. Its def ahead of the core currently. As far as compatibility and bugs are concerned

[frail token]

so maybe C and Z are triggers?

[gusty quest]

Polymega uses Mednafen i believe. I prefered the MiSTer core to the software emus a while a go when i compared them

[frail token]

you can also set the MiSTer to do positional mapping instead of letter mapping but how does that work with six button

[sacred pulsar]

I mapped based on name alone on my first attempt and then looked up the default bomberman controls and I'm way off.

[naive whale]

Ive heard polymega throws garbage CPU in though

so a lot of its performance issues are down to some very not awesome hardware

[gusty quest]

it uses a old Intel CoffeeLake CPU and the built in iGPU

[pearl harbor]

Shining Force III is a big one too! The 3D battle animation scenes looked really bad without it.

[burnt matrix]

Coffee isn’t a CPU get out of here

[rich violet]

Irréel looked bad without it too, but it's so nice now

[gusty quest]

Hahah just looked it up released in 2017 14nm socket 1151

[naive whale]

I got your coffee right here son

[burnt matrix]

Im at my kid’s martial arts class drinking free parent coffee lol

my wife told me to get off the games and take my kid to class

So I was only able to complete one lap of Sega Rally which also counts as lapping @gloomy hedge

[naive whale]

DAAAAAAAAm

[pearl harbor]

Savage! 🔥

[twin canyon]

ice coffe? are you nuts?

[naive whale]

Iced after hot

chemex then cold brew

[twin canyon]

pick your monkey, bro - hammer or sword

https://tenor.com/view/samurai-monkey-gif-23663118

[pearl harbor]

Anyway, I need to test this update! I can't believe gouraud shading is finally here! Massive update!

[naive whale]

its as good as Vermont aged sharp cheddar

old core was more Wisconsin cheddar

[pearl harbor]

Don't you dare insult the Saturn core like that!

[naive whale]

id only be insulting it if I compared it to that bandit brand curd you pass off as CHEDDAR

go put some more orange dye in your food LOSER!

[pearl harbor]

Ha! Your moldy Vermont cheddar substitute only wishes it was as good as even the worst of Wisconsin cheese!

[naive whale]

thats not mold...its AGE...thats what makes it good

(nobody except us will understand WTF we are even talking about 🤣 )

[pearl harbor]

Age isn't supposed to be fuzzy!

[naive whale]

they explain your mom to me

[pearl harbor]

Vermont cheese in action!

That's a gif of the mold growing on it. Just keep staring.

[mortal mist]

STOP !

😄

[gloomy hedge]

just time out every issue automatically after a week, probably solved right !? 😛

[ancient surge]

By the way, I mentioned a while back that there is dead space on the right of the screen. So I decided to make a comparison using a 1:1 aspect ratio to make sure there isn't something off, and it indeed looks like the SEGA Saturn core isn't outputting the entire image like it should.

The left is a raw screenshot from an emulator, while the right came from the SEGA Saturn core outputting in an integer scale. As you can see, even though they're technically the same resolution, there are four pixel-length blank vertical lines on the right.

[naive whale]

Cabot took FIRST in the World Cheese Championship 2024 @pearl harbor so go home. Its over

[pearl harbor]

Lies!

[gloomy hedge]

ha jokes on you sega rally has no laps

[burnt matrix]

Dead Space isn’t for Saturn, it’s a 360/PS3 game

[gloomy hedge]

lets see that first place screenshot, RobERT

[burnt matrix]

TRUEEEE

[pearl harbor]

But it does in the right game mode!

[rich violet]

Wow, good spot

[gloomy hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-blasphemy-mark-philips-rdcworld1-this-is-outrageous-this-is-ludicrous-gif-11029433857997064301

[tawny forge]

How can I win track 3 on Sega Rally Championship? Never got past it 😔

[naive whale]

they released you from the burn ward I see

[pearl harbor]

3D controller!

[gloomy hedge]

you gotta go 9th, 4th, then you will get first

once you start last stage in 4th like this, it is chill af

(no 3D controller here btw, dont need the chEATY CHEATERs controller)

[sterile parcel]

I'm getting a little bit of audio clipping on games with this new release, but otherwise everything looks amazing so far!

[burnt matrix]

which games?

[gloomy hedge]

I need to put myself back in

[sterile parcel]

Powerslave and Silhouette Mirage. Mainly during menus and loading screens.

[burnt matrix]

Oh, I know how to fix that

[mortal mist]

with unstable mister main ?

[gloomy hedge]

waaaait a minute hold the phone

you still gotta get unstable for the update_all core?

[burnt matrix]

I don’t think so

[gloomy hedge]

ah word

[frail token]

Blocked

I can't deal with anyone who doesn't maximize windows

[sterile parcel]

Latest stable mister main and single ram

[naive whale]

thats discord + file browse monitor

[mortal mist]

there were changes in mister main for saturn

[burnt matrix]

that was a test, you passed @mortal mist

[frail token]

I don't know what this dirty windowed user just said cause they're blocked

[burnt matrix]

I’m kidding I forgot there were updates

[mortal mist]

try unstable

[sterile parcel]

Will do, thanks!

[naive whale]

sir my setup is MASTERFULLY built for my weird workflow thank you very much

[mortal mist]

There were changes for cdda , (crackling before audio tracks )

[pearl harbor]

Nights into Dreams looks so much better now!

[burnt matrix]

@sterile parcel did you want to know my suggestion for fixing it?

[pearl harbor]

Time to test Shining Force III's battles!

[burnt matrix]

not playing those games

[naive whale]

it really does

[naive whale]

blocked, cocked and rocked baby

[sudden tusk]

Happy Saturnday!

[burnt matrix]

oh shit he’s got the actual blocked bar implemented, you know it’s serious bidness

[burnt matrix]

[frail token]

yeah and no need to verify if that's how Discord actually does it, cause buddy it is

[pearl harbor]

Shining Force III's characters finally look correct now as well! Huzzah!

[mortal mist]

many games look perfect now

[sudden tusk]

Testing Astal to see if the sound issues persist

[frail token]

YOU look perfect now

[wanton elk]

Is the latest core on update_y'll?

[naive whale]

only if you live in the south

northerners use update_all, people like @burnt matrix use update_y'all

[pearl harbor]

Nooo! Shining Force III just crashed on me! That hasn't happened in ages!

[wanton elk]

Does a VPN work?

[naive whale]

Virtual Pepperoni Network? Not sure

[sudden tusk]

Astal still has sound issues

As soon as you free the bird the the sound gets all warbled

[sudden tusk]

Shoot I’ll test that next

[pearl harbor]

X-Men vs Street Fighter still crashes. womp womp

[pearl harbor]

You shouldn't dox yourself by posting your selfies!

[tawny forge]

Rumor has it this guy is only 23yo and he is in the IT business

[sudden tusk]

Astra super stars is such a cool game !

Working perfectly

[mortal mist]

you are definitely playing on pi5

like Robby

[thorn pagoda]

new official build hype

is snac in this one?

[pearl harbor]

It isn't.

[dense hill]

I've been playing discworld for about an hour and 0 crashes so far, the last unstable I was crashing once after 10 20 minutes

[tawny forge]

Any garbled graphics in Radiant Silvergun after attract mode runs twice?

[ancient surge]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/168

I sent a issue report on this, because it's one of those things that is really bugging me at the moment.

[rich violet]

Is this fixed? https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/158

[mortal mist]

no

[serene thunder]

I'm gonna assume Burning Rangers uses it some odd, taxing way

[rich violet]

Okay, I'd not noticed it in the games I'd tried

[pearl harbor]

Just tested Ogre Battle, and the issue with the units flying up and down the map in 3D view mode is still present.

[sudden tusk]

@naive whale brahhh! Show off Astra all stars on the next vid! Game sounds and looks dope

[naive whale]

I’ll see what I can do

I’ve got another preview vid to edit and VO today still

[wise brook]

but there are no polygons?

[gusty quest]

Outrun, Space Harrier and PowerDrift are still sexual that is all i care about

[sudden tusk]

Battle monsters still sounds poopy

[naive whale]

I’ve got some groove on fight to preview too now that that’s fixed up visually

[sudden tusk]

Oh shit thanks for reminding me .. I need to beat that next

[wise brook]

any change your end?

[pearl harbor]

Did anyone else lose the "TV static" background on their MiSTer's main menu after using update_all today?

[gusty quest]

nope

[pearl harbor]

Weird. I wonder what caused it?

Everything else is working normally. But that usual TV static look is completely gone now on my MiSTer. I just get a black background now.

[thorn pagoda]

that happened to me

[pearl harbor]

Interesting.

[thorn pagoda]

try a full power cycle? i saw someone else say that helped

[gusty quest]

tried pressing F1 to cycle through wallpapers ?

[thorn pagoda]

i tried that yeah it didn't help

[pearl harbor]

Didn't work for me just now either.

[thorn pagoda]

very strange then

it only happens on one of my misters too, the others fine

[gusty quest]

i use the Ranny Snice wallpapers and they have not been affected

[thorn pagoda]

yeah its only the static one affected, any of the other background styles is fine

[pearl harbor]

I've always preferred the TV static look, since I'm using an OLED and it's not a still shot background.

[gusty quest]

There are changes being made in Menu for the new IO board so might be linked to that

[thorn pagoda]

the static does vary from core to core and mister to mister so maybe this is just some extreme varient of that

a new build might just bring it back

[naive whale]

Weird. Static disappeared. Mine is the rainbow gradient deal and it stayed the same

[sudden tusk]

Same

[naive whale]

Sometimes MiSTer is a real “MiSTery”

[thorn pagoda]

anyone setup to build main?

[sudden tusk]

Last Bronx looks so proper with goraud now implemented

[serene thunder]

I need to get on this Gourad train

in process of upgrading SD card, will do later

[sudden tusk]

Aside from minor sound issues during one music track last Bronx is cycle accurate

Also jot down Astra superstars as 100% completable

[prisma wraith]

oh, for single-SDRAM builds is 128mb necessary?

looking at the readme it seems that single needs to be 128, but I dont know if thats changed since it was written up

[naive whale]

Waku waku 7 is so good now too

[sudden tusk]

NBA JAM team select menu is perfect now

[twin canyon]

you look a little bit waku waku

[mortal mist]

I didn't see any

[naive whale]

its nice in Pandemonium to have gouraud with the textures appearing correct on the ground

so much smoother

[frail token]

Wouldn't you just play the Neo Geo one though

[naive whale]

yes I would

but its fixed so worthy of an update vid spot

[twin canyon]

lul

[burnt matrix]

Arrrrg I’m never going to play this core. Now I’m at some Spring festival at a park with the family.

[twin canyon]

missing pixel in bottom level inverted castle is fixed - worthy of a new vid

[mortal mist]

It was like this from the beginning

https://github.com/srg320/Saturn_MiSTer

[zinc vine]

its offical release?

[mortal mist]

Yes

[naive whale]

yep in update

[zinc vine]

include snac?

[burnt matrix]

Yes

[zinc vine]

just update no snac

[mortal mist]

I don't think so

[burnt matrix]

Damn

[twin canyon]

what does the new garlic feature do

sorry, goraud

[mortal mist]

First, blue must add the code to repo

[burnt matrix]

It works so fantastically thought it was already part of it lol

[mortal mist]

So far he has shared test cores here

[zinc vine]

thank you for the answer hope no one got bother by it

[burnt matrix]

No friend, not at all

I’m sorry I said the wrong thing!

[trim nimbus]

Gourad flavoring mellows out the polygons a bit, sort of gives it a smooth and savory taste as opposed to the sharp and edgy non gourad flavored polygons that don’t really blend well together

[tawny forge]

Finally made it stage 3 to the end in Sega Rally Championship. Static noise afterwards 😔

[twin canyon]

your money wasted on the mister when you could've played it on original hardware with perfect sound instead

[sacred goblet]

What is your problem with mister? If you don't liké it please leave this Channel.

[mortal mist]

He likes Raspberry pi5

[sacred goblet]

I'm bored to see his commentary.

[twin canyon]

i mean i heard the mister is pretty good but it's just so expensive. i'd rather just own a pc, switch and maybe a rpi with retroarch. it's more than enough for me

it's basically the same experience but more versatile

why waste money

[sacred goblet]

Ok and you will Say it every days? Evrybody hère understood.

[twin canyon]

you're fuming so much you can't even get the words out properly

listen here BUDDY

it is my right to choose emulation

i have rights you know

[sacred goblet]

It's your right but stop saying it every hours here. U don't Care your advice. It is not your Channel.

[twin canyon]

uh

ok so... i gotta get back to rocket league

i may consider mister another day. MAYBE

no promises

depends on if they make it better

cuz right now, mario jumps feel way off tbh

[sacred goblet]

Bye

[twin canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-kevin-malone-kevin-office-white-collar-gif-4013003

[rotund steeple]

So, you don't have a Mister and can tell the mario jumps are off (whatever that means)?

[twin canyon]

it's what i heard

robby told me

[rotund steeple]

There's nothing wrong with the timing in Mario games. It's just fine.

[mortal mist]

Basket has a Mister but thinks it's rpi5

You must forgive him

🙂

[rotund steeple]

A pi probably adds 2-3 frames lag anyway

[twin canyon]

i can't even feel that

and it's cheaper

[tawny forge]

Basket is the best troll 🤣

[trim nimbus]

Basket told me the nes core uses the c64 6502 which adds a full cycle to the Mario jump calculation

[rotund steeple]

Of course it is cheaper. It's a software emulation device with limited CPU performance, hence not perfect emulation at all. It's fine i guess, but far from the most accurate option to play.

[sacred goblet]

Who is the moderator on this Channel?

[twin canyon]

yes! let's ask the moderators

find the criminal

[naive whale]

ok done working for the day. See you kids at 4

[mortal mist]

Master of disaster 🙂

[burnt matrix]

Hello

[twin canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[burnt matrix]

@twin canyon is the moderator unfortunately for us

[twin canyon]

it's not a choice, it's a lifestyle

[eager solstice]

So uh, how bout that saturn core

[dense hill]

I can't believe so many people fell for bait this long

[sinful verge]

Just block user if you find someone annoying

[twin canyon]

that's mean

[wise brook]

it wonderful

wanna play the best version of Policenauts; we got you covered.

wanna play Panzer Dragoon Saga without selling your organs on the black market? right this way good sir.

[gloomy hedge]

Wards away Nintendo Lawyers

Really effective too

[wise brook]

1st impressions, better than a retro-bit. maybe just below an m30 for use with MiSTer

nice to have a wireless grey saturn controller

[thorn pagoda]

what is it?

[wise brook]

8bitdo Bluetooth conversion kit

they do a bunch of them

not on aliexpress tho. just their own site

[thorn pagoda]

ah

i once ordered some of those and then forgot about it and like 6 months later they were just like "sorry" and refunded me

was weird

[hardy lodge]

If I didn't already have a m30 I'd get one of these, just for the style of a own saturn controller.

[wise brook]

you're winning either way my dude

[random shard]

Why is gouraud shading such big deal?

[rich violet]

Made a big improvement to the visuals

And probably the last major feature needing implemented

[random shard]

It's funny just like in the 90s, the psx core was first, N64 was second, and saturn was third 🤣🤣🤣

Bravo Srg320 and Robert

[random shard]

I'll google it and see if there are side by side images

[rich violet]

@naive whale has a video coming soon that will probably show the difference it made

[random shard]

Ah, just googled it

I get it now

Is today's version released via update all?

Didn't see anything in unstables

[rich violet]

Yep

[random shard]

But for the dualsram version I'll have to wait for kuba

[rich violet]

#1046941029296779344 message
DualSDRAM is here

[reef solar]

Core look solid now just played some of my games that didn't boot or had audio drop in game now it's perfect as far as I know even with my 2.5 or something ram

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/comedy-waynes-world-you-are-the-master-worship-bow-gif-17398753

I bow to your troll greatness

[sudden tusk]

Moderators put that snake back in its basket

[burnt matrix]

interesting that it's a smaller file size than singleram

[naive whale]

2 min to saturn. Wonder what kinda influx we will see

[wise brook]

respectfully, an ocean of mouth-breathers

[naive whale]

arent we the mouth breathers?

[burnt matrix]

I hope we got a lot of new users to this Discord. I really enjoy seeing all the new faces and we have so many wonderful people who are willing to lend assistance when they have issues.

[naive whale]

vid is in #share-media

[wise brook]

me when the thousandth person asks if it's still boot.bin

[burnt matrix]

I am so very jealous of that emoji lolol. I love it.

[wise brook]

inhale thru nose is good for your health

[burnt matrix]

Ok Saturn experts, I have a question.

[naive whale]

I broke my nose a long time ago. My sinuses are MANGLED

[burnt matrix]

Gourad shading seems to be a thing used in a lot of Saturn games. Is that right?

[wise brook]

yeah, and the rest of gen 5

[burnt matrix]

Really?

[wise brook]

tekken 3 used it exceptionally well

[burnt matrix]

I remember it being special for PS1 games.

But yeah you're right Tekken 3 definitely used it

[wise brook]

but only on the upper half of the character models

[burnt matrix]

I remember Tobal No. 1 using it being impressive

Ohhhhh wow, interesting

Right, the pants were angular

So it's not that Saturn used it more. It's just I'm noticing it more because of this core's development

[wise brook]

it's where your eyes focused so it's a great example of husbandry of limited resources

[burnt matrix]

A+ phrase LOL

What's left in terms of features for this core?

• Light Gun support
• RTC implementation
• what else?

[wise brook]

rtc is done bud

[burnt matrix]

OMG

[wise brook]

480i analog output

[burnt matrix]

shows what I know lol

[wise brook]

currently it's only 240p

I'll make a git for it

[warped cliff]

I'm enjoying UMK3 so much, its as close as we'll get to the arcade version and it's pretty damn close.

[burnt matrix]

Put in a Feature Request for Light Guns!

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/169

[pearl harbor]

Robby doing the lord's work.

[burnt matrix]

It's thanks to @wise brook for reminding me.

[wise brook]

would this also be to integrate the MiSTers support for gun4ir/wiimote/guncon2&3 or specifically original hardware over snac?

[burnt matrix]

MiSTer support

[warped cliff]

is there a feature request for analog stick support?

so I don't have to use a 3d controller via snac?

[wise brook]

you mean analog triggers?

[burnt matrix]

Analog Stick is in

need to change controller to 3D Control Pad

[pearl harbor]

Unfortunately, in my testing earlier today, the game crashed on me halfway through the second battle in the game. Hopefully, that can get ironed out soon!

[wise brook]

that would have to got to himself

[burnt matrix]

yeah, analog triggers isn't supported by MiSTer. Sorg has vetoe'd it in the past since there wasn't really a reason as no games used it and the controller code is a pain in the ass to work with.

[wise brook]

good to know

[burnt matrix]

But now we have the Outrun arcade core and the Saturn core

so maybe there's enough of a reason to convince Sorg now?

[pearl harbor]

3D controller support is already in, but the core only supports analog triggers over SNAC. So games like Sega Rally Plus won't work without SNAC still.

[ripe valley]

I've made feature requests for the Shuttle mouse and the Twin Stick some time ago.

[ocean wasp]

Mouse Support. There are a good amount of games which support mouse

[warped cliff]

ah okay, I was mainly concerned about analog stick for finer control in nights into dreams

digital is too fast

[burnt matrix]

Good thinking!

[pearl harbor]

Yep, that's a game that works fine.

[warped cliff]

ah sweet!

thanks!

[burnt matrix]

Already requested - https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/146

@ripe valley shout out to your Issue naming convention. Putting [FEATURE REQUEST] at the beginning makes it super clear. I copied you for my Light Gun feature request.

[wise brook]

yep, fire magic just killed my session

[fresh gale]

I swear it was only Tekken 1 that used it and then they moved to a proper lighting system for Tekken 2 and 3

[pearl harbor]

For me, it was just a bat attacking one of my party members.

Hopefully it can get ironed out soon, since the last several core builds didn't crash for me.

[hushed wind]

Does Update All include both Single and Dual RAM cores?

[ripe valley]

Only Single, official releases are single RAM.

[wise brook]

and there is no reason to use dual atm

[dense hill]

is it anticipated there ever will be?

[hushed wind]

okay got it, i got the dual ram pre build from misteraddons, so just checking if i can get more from it

[dense hill]

I saw before the mortal kombat devs talking about dual ram in that but I've never seen otherwise any mention of dual ram

as a benefit I mean

[mortal mist]

#1046941029296779344 message

[hushed wind]

thanks! i'll just toss the dual ram in anyway and update all for single

[warped cliff]

wow, it plays beautifully with the N64 controller