Sega Saturn

[mortal mist]

A week ago, one person finished the Chris and Jill scenario

no problems

[thorn pagoda]

nice

you can't avoid that computer so must be

[mortal mist]

yeah

[thorn pagoda]

@inner token good time for a snac build? todays code seems a winner

[inner token]

ok I'll do one. I wanted you guys to test anyway I've been tweaking the code

[pearl harbor]

Bless you kind soul! 🫡

[wise brook]

I can test mission stick, twin mission stick, twin stick, virtua fight stick (8 button), Pachinko controller to name a few

racing wheel

[pearl harbor]

I just have a 3D controller and a regular controller to test with SNAC. But both have worked great with the previous two SNAC builds.

[burnt matrix]

My testing suite:

[burnt matrix]

Does Sega Ages - Galaxy Force II work for anyone?

oh lol

this new dual ram build sure is wacky for me

Oh phew, the later Saturn dual ram build works just fine for me.

[inner token]

sure rub it in for Kuba

[burnt matrix]

Oh sorry, I didn’t know

[pearl harbor]

Yep, works great on my end. All of the Sega Ages games work for me now. The last big one was Afterburner II where it's audio was fixed over two builds in the last couple weeks.

[burnt matrix]

I was trying to play it with a busted dual ram build

[wise brook]

@gloomy hedge your cursed de10 is famous!

[gloomy hedge]

Lmao!!!

Who did this

🥹

[wise brook]

Danthax writes up a nice summary of the cores progress about once a month

he's one of the shiro crew

[burnt matrix]

@winter phoenix is our Saturn press representative!

[pearl harbor]

Classic Robby!

[winter phoenix]

I quoted you in today’s story! 😁

[winter phoenix]

I hope you’re OK that I reposted your video … I thought it was a good illustration of the problem

[random shard]

Same for me, resets mister

Also, I thought update all would pull the latest saturn single sdram core but it doesn't, I still have an old version in there

[gloomy hedge]

Of course!!!!

Anything I out here is fair game

[winter phoenix]

Oh good! 🙌 Thank you!

[naive whale]

It’s often @burnt matrix has something in his hand and yells “damn it why won’t this thing work”

[random shard]

ok, the dualram version from march 7th works as you said

I tested albert's oddissey but the sound crapped out in the middle of the intro

[gloomy hedge]

It's nice that even my shitty mister can contribute

[burnt matrix]

uh oh

oh phew, it isn’t one of my dumb ass posts lol

Manx TT squad represent

[winter phoenix]

You made good commentary relevant to the story!

You like my Manx TT Guy cutout I hastily did in Photoshop? 😆

[random shard]

for some reason the saturn core DOES NOT like the blisster

controllers connected via blisster are just not recognized

my ps4 controller was recognized ok though

[burnt matrix]

Yeah lol, it’s a nice cover image

[reef estuary]

Anybody have Virtua Fighter Kids US working? Ive tried redump bin/cue and CHD from various sites and have no luck. Says disc is unreadable.

[analog totem]

@reef estuary it’s listed as playable on the compatibility spreadsheet. What BIOS are you using and do you have the region set to US or auto?

[reef estuary]

auto

[analog totem]

what build are you using…latest?

[reef estuary]

yeah ive tried latest and the one from 3-7

im thinking its the versions im getting if it says they are working

[analog totem]

hmm i might be able to go test real quick

[reef estuary]

i have the bios's in their respective folders like US and Japan like robby or someone mentioned at one time

its the only game out of alot that I tried that I cant get started

[analog totem]

ok i have the same setup and i actually get the same thing

unstable mister, latest build hmm let’s seee

trying other games and they seem to work fine

[reef estuary]

im gonna try a different region in a sec here

[analog totem]

you read my mind ha

ok i set the region to US and it boots

it didn’t work with Auto

[reef estuary]

Oh perfect Ill give that a try right now

[analog totem]

yeah it seems like that game doesn’t like auto region select for some reason

probably just a soon to be fixed core bug

[reef estuary]

Yeah there has to be something wrong with my game, its says disc drive open now.

Ill test around if yours is working, thank you for the help and testing so quickly!

[analog totem]

huh it didn’t work just switching region eh?

[reef estuary]

not for me, I tried single and dual ram, checked if I had unstable

I made my own chd with chdman which is how i did everything

[analog totem]

Yeah, I did the same with my CHD’s

and you’ve tried the obvious stuff, rebooting the core rebooting the MiSTer i’m sure

[reef estuary]

yep

only option now is to delete all my games and throw away my mister and buy a new one

[analog totem]

And you’re totally sure that you’re using the latest core from today I think there was a bug that got fixed a couple hours later

[reef estuary]

yeah i saw that, grabbed the last to saturn files in unstable-nightlies

*two

[analog totem]

And you’re using the single Ram version?

[reef estuary]

tried both single and dual ram versions

[analog totem]

huh

[reef estuary]

im gonna try the japanese region here in a minute just to see if that works

[analog totem]

maybe

did you say that you tried a different cue/bin rip too? not just unpacking your CHD.?

[reef estuary]

i couldnt get it to read bin/cue either

Japanese version loads just fine with auto bios, i wonder if my us bios is causing it

using US 1.01a in the folder

[analog totem]

thats what i use

did you compare the SHA-1 of your bios to the one listed here: https://vampier.net/Saturn/

[inner token]

some minor tweaks but all controllers should still work except I disabled the multitaps

[quick sorrel]

With all the stuff you can find archived on the web, it sure would be neat if someone archived a confirmed set of BIOSes on the web. Probably does exist though. Haven’t looked.

[mortal mist]

Thanks for checking ❤️

I'm not alone 🙈

[severe whale]

It exist

[stiff patrol]

yes

[woeful quarry]

does the current core have lightgun support?

[stiff patrol]

https://vampier.net/Saturn/ lists bios compatible with the core

[quick sorrel]

Thx but I should have at’d the user having BIOS issues. I’m actually fine on Saturn. Sorry 😅

[mortal mist]

Not yet

[woeful quarry]

ok thanks, I was hoping to try to get reflex adapt working with the GunCon in Virtua Cop

[random shard]

I tested albert's oddisey with the last working dual ram version and the music craps out if you leave the intro running

I didn't notice this in your compatibility list

[mortal mist]

for me works fine , when tested 20240207

[lavish wadi]

I feel for you Kuba! It works on my end, but you know how it works, it will flip the other way around with me having issues as soon as the nest update.

[mortal mist]

thanks, for me it's more of a curiosity, I'm not worried about it 🙂

[lavish wadi]

I just want full speed Thunder Force V

[mortal mist]

I'll check with the latest single 20240315

[random shard]

Play the us version and just leave the game running after loading

The intro just breaks

[mortal mist]

that's what I'm doing now 😄

[random shard]

👍

[mortal mist]

intro works fine

no issues

second run 🙂

@random shard try Albert with single 20240315

second run also ok , zero problems

I'll go crazy if we all get different results again when testing 😄

ok I saw the intro three times , it is ok

[random shard]

Alright I will try again with both single and dual ram versions later today

[abstract fractal]

Also running fine here, only tested dual ram. 5/6 times intro with no problems.

Could any of you test the USA version of Fighters Megamix. Wait for intro to start. Then press Start button. Game allways stops on me then. Can play game if i dont wait for intro.

[mortal mist]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/136

[abstract fractal]

lol

thx

[ripe valley]

Albert Odyssey works on my end, both Single and Dual RAM versions from yesterday.

Virtua Cop 1 and Virtua Cop 2 regressions seem to be SMPC related as the timings for those two games are really sensitive and critical.

And I think the reappearance of the Time Gal/Ninja Hayate issue is related to those changes too.

(I said I need some rest, I know.)

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/punishment-beat-ass-cute-slap-gif-16356160

[random shard]

Then there's also the blisster thing

Anyone here have a blisster?

[wise brook]

nah

[inner token]

hey could you try that snac build with the blister?

just test like you normally would, you don't have to turn snac on in osd

[random shard]

I will

[mortal mist]

I have a problem with Die Hard Trilogy with the auto region option. Can someone check ? It works ok after setting the region to USA

[abstract fractal]

Auto region allmost does not work for me on USA games. I just put it to USA then. But Die Hard Trilogy crashes after booting on both new cores for me. Do works on the 07-03. Are there more people where it crashes after boot?

[cursive tree]

Crashes at my side too

[mortal mist]

for me it works ok with single core 😄

perhaps a sensitive case

[ripe valley]

You need to talk to it nicely. 😁

[abstract fractal]

I did still does not work 😉

[supple vine]

Does the latest core fix the runs too fast problem?

[ripe valley]

Yes.

[mortal mist]

die hard

[severe whale]

Anyone else get this image in the latest test build?

Is there any setting to adjust?

[mortal mist]

😄

[random shard]

There's an auto-region option???

[wise brook]

I mean, yeah

the best way to keep on top of this, for yourself, is to keep a tab on the Saturn-dev commit page

it functions as a running commentary of the core and every tweak srg320 makes

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/commits/main/

just by scrolling down a little bit, you'll see it was added March 4.

Kuba knows a magic trick that let's him know as & when it changes

[ripe valley]

For Die Hard Trilogy, the game is a nightmare to support, even with SW emulators.
At the moment, it only works :

• with regular BIOS files, no multiregion ones;
• No RAM card should be enabled on the port (otherwise the game will go on a scratchy sound loop after the FOX logo);
• the region autodetection isn't working at all on that game.

[wise brook]

does that game have an out-of-spec region marker in the disk?

[ripe valley]

That's one thing to check on the disc header, I don't remember immediately.

[wise brook]

it's cool, I really appreciate the time and knowledge you've given to this scene

[abstract fractal]

Zet-sensei. Good tip. Die hard trilogy now runs after turning off memcard

but does run with on 07-03 core

[ripe valley]

The game was poorly programmed, even on PS1.

I remember that Stenzek had some rough time adding the support of the game back then for DuckStation.

And for the Saturn side, Mednafen had also some troubles to add it too.

[abstract fractal]

I can live without that game, but allways nice if it works.

[wise brook]

the ps1 version has a patch where you can play DH2 with a guncon

use that with a turbo button and it actually becomes quite a fun game

not good

but fun

[ripe valley]

"TUK" on compatible regions (Taiwan, USA and Korea) for Die Hard Trilogy (USA).
That's not common.

You should not code T and K at the same time on the header, as T already includes Korea if I remember correctly some old documentation on the system.

[mortal mist]

Bug
There is a bug that makes the game lock after the Die Hard copyright text when using some 4in1 carts. This has been noted to occure with the 4in1 cart that has a parallel port on it, it is unclear if this happens with all revisions of the 4in1 cart with the parallel port. The bug is in both the European and American release of the game. There is currently no Action Replay code to circumvent this so the only option is to boot the game without the cart inserted.

[thorn pagoda]

Best Value Virtua Cop

[wise brook]

Actua Cop

[ripe valley]

I will try something completely stupid, trying to patch up the area region header on Die Hard Trillogy and see if the game could be autodetected this time.

(Thanks that Kuba is far away and could not spank me as I said that I needed some rest after a pretty intense surgery)

[wise brook]

right, snac testing time x

[ripe valley]

"Ok, let's do this!" like they say on Burning Rangers.

[random shard]

I couldn't recreate the albert's oddisey issue. I think its because I load games from an external hdd and the adapter I use is a little unreliable

What do I hit on the keyboard to undefine a button?

[stiff patrol]

https://mister-devel.github.io/MkDocs_MiSTer/setup/controller/#defining-your-gamepads-buttons

space is the default skip

[ripe valley]

Region changing the game works.

Die Hard Trilogy works with the Auto region setting once patched manually.

So, the T and K codes on the area code (header) are at fault.
When doing a master of a game on Saturn, you must respect a specific order for coding the regions : you should not encode a K region after a T (which already includes Korea).

[random shard]

Cancels the button input and doesn't save what I input

[random shard]

Auto-region worked half the time for me

[random shard]

Tried it and worked but in the weirdest way possible

At first no response so I switched to snac and it worked

Then I turned off snac and it still worked

Then I switch to the regular core and back to not working

I think my blisster is failing

[wise brook]

I've just finished my 2nd round of snac tests

so far only thing working is the 3d pad

digital pad is all mapped wrong

twin stick too

getting more controllers to test rn

[inner token]

Are you using a blissbox saturn cable?

[inner token]

saturn core has a different default value for USER_OUT which I changed in my build. Thought that might help the blister, it uses some kind of detection thing iirc.

[random shard]

I am now

But I started with a snes controller

It works but because I couldn't map the last button I switched to a saturn controller

[wise brook]

nope just the open-source snac adapter

[random shard]

Blisster adapter for saturn not blissbox. I guess the question wasn't for me 😅

[random shard]

Yeah, without that, the blisster won't work at all, though I suspect the last blisster firmware did something very wrong with usb mode

[wise brook]

just finished trying with the HSS-0136

[burnt matrix]

Damn, talk about treating your Saturn accessories like royalty

[inner token]

hmm the wrong mapped digital mapped pad sounded like what happens when you use a BB cable with snax

[wise brook]

should I try mission stick or racing wheel?

[inner token]

maybe the pinout of your adapter is weird or what kind of cable are you using from adapter to mister?

[wise brook]

15cm usb extension and the adapter.

[inner token]

usb extension should be straight wired, so I don't think that's the problem.

[wise brook]

I can check on my retrocastle MiSTer too

[inner token]

did stuff work on old builds and just break with this one?

[wise brook]

yes, I used a digital controller with Bomberman, and then several with a multitap

[inner token]

i did test digital controller here (the grey and blue one) and it seemed to still work but maybe it's timing releated since i changed it a bit.

[burnt matrix]

I’m busy with the kid’s martial arts class and then grocery shopping but I’ll give the new SNAC build a test today.

[wise brook]

I just fired up your last snac core (Saturn_SNAC_20240129.rbf)
arcade stick is/was mismapped

gonna try bomberman again

[frail token]

oh sweet like Kramer?

https://tenor.com/view/seinfeld-kramer-kramer-kramer-karate-karate-gif-25188008

https://tenor.com/view/kramer-karete-kid-kung-fu-gif-11408123

[wise brook]

so yep, on old snac core digital pad worked right

as well as 3d controller (fight stick didn't tho)

now it's just 3d controller. no digital or fight stick

can test wheel, mission stick on both cores if you'd like

gonna be gone for about 10 mins

[inner token]

i suspect they may still work, they use the same mode as 3d pad.

the fight stick not working in new or old core seems odd though. not sure anyone has tested that before

[light pine]

does anyone know if sege rally replays are supposed to have sound effects, or just the music?

[wise brook]

mouse confirmed

[mortal mist]

Music only

[ripe valley]

We need a mouse support on the core too (outside of SNAC).

[wise brook]

neat the blue button functions as the pause/menu

[wise brook]

that'll be a good use for ds4/ds5

onto mission stick

mission stick is working,

with a twin mission stick in Panzer Zwei it doesn't recognize the second stick

lol

[wise brook]

scratch that, twin mission stick works perfectly... you've just got to set the options properly

just wheel and bomberman controller to go

wheel is also a win!

[abstract fractal]

Original gun also working?

[wise brook]

sadly the bomberman controller also has the mapping issue and no recognition of the "hu-position" to unlock extra stages

and finally lightgun "works" as in it's two buttons work. but no luck with shooting anything on screen

so it's really just digital pads that are borked, but weirdly 3d pad in digital mode is fine

gun of course is a core development feature

[abstract fractal]

oke

[wise brook]

🙇‍♂️

thanks again @inner token if there's anything I can check for you don't hesitate to let me know

[thorn pagoda]

god i can't wait for lightgun support lol

[naive whale]

HotD time!

And Crypt Killer in its jankiest form. Plus some Virtua Cop goodness

[burnt matrix]

Scud, Mighty Hits, and Chaos Control too

[pearl harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-prime-shadow-the-hedgehog-gif-1093108126087784949

And with that, I've used up my once a week gif! Worth it!

[burnt matrix]

it's some FMV shooter, I think just the EU and JP versions have light gun support

[pearl harbor]

You always bring out the gif in me Robby.

[burnt matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/peanut-butter-lick-hungry-eating-covered-gif-16771995

LMAO

[pearl harbor]

Dang it Robby.

[clear condor]

the jif that keeps on jiving

[drifting frigate]

If you ever want to go "wait, really?" go look up cast and crew on Scud. It's basically a stepping stone that got us Community. I also think it's Harmon's first voice acting job.

[pearl harbor]

Choosy Robbys choose GIF.

[naive whale]

That Robby ain’t right

[pearl harbor]

Finally tested the new SNAC build, and it works great on my end with the 3D controller.

[wise brook]

playing some outrun?

[pearl harbor]

Sega Rally!

[wise brook]

AM3 at their best

[drifting frigate]

It makes racing games so nice.

[pearl harbor]

I'm still shocked by just how good the Saturn version of Sega Rally is. I was playing the arcade version on my Steam Deck recently, and outside of the drop to 30fps, the Saturn version is a damn near perfect match for the arcade version.

[wise brook]

sega gave it their all for Christmas 95

their reward was the press saying "yeah but it's on Saturn"

in a funny way it was Tom Kalinski's console war hype machine coming back to bite him

[dense hill]

does radiant silvergun work well?

[pearl harbor]

I haven't played all the way through it, but in my last tests, the first stage seemed perfect on my end.

[burnt matrix]

My favorite Sega executive was Bernie Stolar

Because he was dissed in Del’s song Protoculture lol

https://genius.com/Del-the-funky-homosapien-proto-culture-lyrics

Bernie was again dissed at the Dreamcast launch party where Del performed live and repeated that verse without hesitation lmao

https://youtu.be/HexF_2cTuD8?si=R-EbZJQE3YyAL0Li

[wise brook]

Was Bernie also the no 2d PS1 games guy?

[burnt matrix]

LOL probably

[inner token]

ok thanks for confirming things, I'll try to do another build that might fix the digital pad for you, I just got back in.

[wise brook]

king

[burnt matrix]

Seems like the audio when meeting Shaft in the English patched Castlevania is borked

[mortal mist]

It doesn't even sound good in the original on saturn 🤪

[inner token]

@wise brook could try that build out with the digital, bomberman, and virtua stick? if one doesn't work try to figure out how they're mapped wrong and tell me, that may tell me what's going on.

and if anyone else has those controllers they could test them too, just to rule out something weird in his setup

[wise brook]

mapped perfectly, 1 down 2 to go

turbo switches worked as intended

the bomberman wars "hu-position" might be its own thing. I'll see if that works next

[serene thunder]

Could this dpad actually be good

I bet those buttons feel like pushing an M&M down into a cotton ball

[alpine pagoda]

What did it fix? The white screen between levels? Sound still drops out?

Cool. I think I maybe had the same result, sound was as bad or worse than before but I think I managed to get to the second race on the last test I did

Need to check that again tonight

[wise brook]

HIDDEN STAGES UNLOCKED

[serene thunder]

Does using the Bomberman controller unlock secrets

[wise brook]

yas

[serene thunder]

wut

[wise brook]

you start the game with the center turbo switch in the center "Hu-position" and the game detect the specific amount of pauses it sends

[inner token]

nice glad that works, i was unfamiliar with the "hu-position" thing

[wise brook]

I hope I don't come off as a complete amature saying this, but i guess it means you've absolutly nailed the controller signal integrity, maintaining the correct button data packets and them being read by the core as authentic

test 2

twin stick also working right now!

[inner token]

it may not be perfect but it's a good sign that the bomberman trick worked.

I wonder if that usually works in emulators.

[wise brook]

and we have a winner!

not me sadly

[quick sorrel]

Yes, very well. As far as I can tell, the only VFX glitches I can see are in the level 2 transitions where the backgrounds rotate forward like a cube - they don’t render completely. It’s been a few core revisions since I beat the game but level 2’s issue is the only thing I recall. I’m very happy how well it works now especially without the screeching at each boss intro.

[inner token]

so it's an improvement over yesterdays build, and an improvement from the old build too because the virtua stick works? did the bomberman work on old core? i'll let you test the digital pads but think they'll work with this one. just to recap

[wise brook]

digital pads worked with your 01/29 core, not with yesterday's and now they (and a lot more) work with today's

it is glorious

[inner token]

ok great, I'll probably go with those timings then.

If someone finds something that doesn't work let me know.

thanks for testing all that stuff 👍

[wise brook]

I've just done a side by side comparison of Radiant on MiSTer and a real Saturn

maybe I need to get further in to spot a difference but so far so good

[quick sorrel]

I've only ever noticed it on level 2, say from 2B to 2C the cube-like rotation as you're ascending. It's been quite a while since I played on real hardware but at least in Mednafen the vfx appear correct with that specific thing.

https://youtu.be/aWIhkS-er6g?t=1202

[serene thunder]

That game is absurdly good

[light pine]

does anyone else blast daytona at midnight?

[winter phoenix]

talking about Chaos Control? it only exists in EU and JP flavors. never came out in NA. The original version in JP does not have lightgun support, but the EU verison does (along with some other changes), and then they released that EU version back in Japan as Chaos Control Remix (complete with lightgun support).

[severe whale]

Yeah it was an early release in Japan

how far off are we to have cheats support on Saturn?

[wise brook]

there's literally no one here who can answer that

[severe whale]

if you would measure between your thumb and your pointing finger?

[burnt matrix]

Ohhhhh. So only the Remix JP re-release has the light gun support?

[gloomy hedge]

Oh shit really? That's the second person here whose said it ..

Maybe bios does matter!

I might try today

[burnt matrix]

maybe you don’t love SEGA enough!

[gloomy hedge]

Yeah you're right! That's why I didn't buy a real Saturn 🪐

Also jokes aside

In 5th grade I played clarinet

My clarinet case had sega Saturn logos on it

Cuz my Sega Saturn came with stickers

[naive whale]

Clarinet twitch stream wen

[gloomy hedge]

I wonder if I still have that thing or whether I donated

I DO still have my recorder tho

Could learn some sick jams on that, donkey style

[winter phoenix]

No, the European one does, too. Japan’s Remix is basically the European version but in Japanese. The original Japanese release is the only one without lightgun support.

[burnt matrix]

ok cool, I like how the game puts little clouds over the alien ships after you shoot them. It’s so corny but they tried lmao

[trim nimbus]

If “Let’s Go Away” isn’t the first sick jam you play, then you need to retroactively turn in your Saturn sticker.

[gloomy hedge]

ah but what about

||no, I have nothing, your point is perfectly made, you're right||

[acoustic ice]

Howdie people, I've setup the mister and latest nighty build and started Christmas NiGHTS, either i get no analogue or I setup the main mister inputs to use the anologue for up down left right etc and in which case that doesn't feel right, technically it works but not how I think it does on main hardware, either that or I'm just not as good as I thought I was lol. can anyone give me any pointers as to getting this working please. I read earlier in the thread that someone had it working with a snac build. whats needed for the snac version? would i need an io board with snac output and a special converter? i'm currently using the mayflash ss controller adapter for pc usb to input into the 7 port usb addon. apologies for the long message, thank you and hello

[hardy lodge]

What's up with shining force 3? Are scenario 1-3 different games?

Are they different from the shining force 3 we got in the west?

[mortal mist]

Shining Force III, in its Western form, is only one third of the overall Shining Force III story. In Japan, the game was split into three parts (or "scenarios") - Shining Force III Scenario 1: Outo no Kyoshin, Shining Force III Scenario 2: Nerawareta Miko and Shining Force III Scenario 3: Hyouheki no Jashinguu, however in the west, the two latter scenarios were not released, and the subtitle of the first was removed. This can lead to some confusion, as the name Shining Force III can mean both the collection of the three Shining Force III scenarios, and just Outo no Kyoshin.

[wise brook]

oh boy

so start from the top,
what controller you using

[acoustic ice]

hi, I'm using the saturn 3d controller

in game it just seems to go left and right when using the anologue

the goal is to have a device with hdmi out and low latency and can be multiple retro consoles. but I need that saturn anologue for Nights, other controllers don't feel right.

having all these cores on the de10 is just amazing, loving it

[wise brook]

so have you mapped the controller fully on the main MiSTer menu?

like when it asks for analog stick 1?

does it not respond

oh and is the switch on the bottom of the controller in the correct position?

[hardy lodge]

Thank you. I'll stick to the fan translations of all 3 then.

[acoustic ice]

yeah but it doesn't seem to do up and down, it will do left and right

[wise brook]

so that sounds like your adapter or its firmware might need looking at

maybe somehow it's confusing your analog shoulder triggers for the axis

fun fact

unless you use snac, the analog triggers aren't recognized by MiSTer

[acoustic ice]

it is an old adapter, i complete forgot I had it for a number of years. I've order another saturn adapter from ultimatemister, maybe that will work better

I've only just got into this since youtube started showing me someones almost daily videos on fpga n64 and saturn. whats needed for snac?

[wise brook]

prolly, is it snac or something else?

snac adapter is super basic, I've made a bunch myself

[acoustic ice]

think its something else, it says for mister, raspberry pi or pc

[wise brook]

so currently you're just rocking the de-10 nano and some ram?

[acoustic ice]

i probably should have invested in the blister usb board instead now but that was another £75 on top of £220 I just paid for the de10 and 128mb ram, i went or the cheaper usb board instead so i could actually plug a controller and keyboard in.

so yeha de10, 128 ram and the basic £30 usb addon

[wise brook]

no need for blisster

[acoustic ice]

have you got a saturn 3d controller setup?

[wise brook]

the official IO board has just been redesigned, that'll be a worthwhile upgrade. cheaper and alway supported

[wise brook]

you could say so

are you only ever looking for hdmi output btw?

[acoustic ice]

depends where I go for upscaling, if i go for an ossc or is it oscc that has vga in so maybe that's the best option. possibly. otherwise hdmi is convenient for pluging into a monitor

[wise brook]

so you wouldn't need dual output for a crt tv,

[acoustic ice]

so you've got a saturn to snac adapter there?

[wise brook]

yep

[acoustic ice]

no my friend still has a crt but I don't have the space, that's why I like this project. compact with plenty of options. I have a 50/60 hz switch on my saturn and a fenrir and a rad2x but output can be dodgy and the fenrir doesn't always boot, wsa hoping this was the next option. though how does the mister deal with 50/60hz games

[wise brook]

exceptionally well

and I am fell versed in this stuff

question about your fenrir btw

did you use the ribbon cable that came with it, or the one from the Saturn disk drive?

[acoustic ice]

I can't remember, I did swap the ribbon with whatever I started using with a ribbon from a saturn i complety wrecked tryng to 60hz, those cpu pins are fragile. do you think I just need to get a ribbon from the fenrir guy and not one from the saturn?

[wise brook]

yep, the new ribbon cables fix a lot of these issues, the old ones are often oxidized and lose signal integrity

[acoustic ice]

I'll order some new ones them i do love my original hardware, but I"ve cramed a two bedrom flat worth of stuff at mym mums house while I save to buy a flat and there is no space haha. though i also shouldn't be splashing out on all this hardware but where is the fun in that

[acoustic ice]

thank you for your assistance by the way

[wise brook]

it's cool. your new Saturn adapter should solve your current issues

[acoustic ice]

speaking of cool, I need to look into cooling this down too

[simple hound]

hey all for someone who just is about the leave for the day and doesnt have time to read - can anyone sum up the new core in a sentance or 2?

[stiff patrol]

it plays Saturn Games !

[naive whale]

New Saturn vid in 60 seconds-ish

and shes loose on #share-media

[sonic spindle]

can someone send link to latest Saturn Single RAM core

[mortal mist]

#unstable-nightlies message

[acoustic ice]

Love godzilla. Watching this video reminds me of trying to play symphony of the night back in 97. How i got through that blue door i’ll never know

[gloomy hedge]

im testing this bios theory

throwing on hi saturn 1.02 J

nope

sega rally still has sound that basically hangs at some certain note, and once the sound hangs, the game will not load the level, it will white screen

sound is hanging in main menu so I am not able to get to the first stage with the 3-15 core

I would have to go back to uhhh 2-15? or something like that to play sega rally on my mister

the full intro plays with sound though! yay!

once I get into the game its a mess

[alpine pagoda]

Yeah I was wrong last night when I said I thought 1.02 fixed the white screen for me too, I ran it again and it was still borked. And the sound got stuck with the engine sound on rather than cutting out like it used to, just like you described.

[gloomy hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/subaru-fail-jump-crash-car-gif-18782554

[alpine pagoda]

lol. It’s amazing that I’m still enjoying that first race everytime, such a good game, will be amazing if it ever works right for me

[pearl harbor]

I on the other hand have been enjoying all 4 races for like over a year!

[gloomy hedge]

So am I

[hushed wind]

with a dual ram mister, is there any reason to not use the dual ram core? like are the compatible games the same for both cores?

[pearl harbor]

I haven't heard about any downsides to using it. But I also haven't heard any upsides either. Basically the same.

[drifting frigate]

Not since the refactor a while ago. Before that some of us experienced worse compatibility with dual ram. Others saw better compat. It's finally starting to normalize apart from older ram. Personally I haven't seen any advantages or disadvantages to it since Srg reworked memory a few months ago.

[hushed wind]

cool, good to know

[lavish wadi]

I am looking at the new I/O boards and it’s either single ram with dual simultaneous video, or dual ram with switchable video.

If your MiSTer disappeared tomorrow, what would you choose?

[wise brook]

dual output

[lavish wadi]

I kind feel like that. Have had dual ram for awhile now but it just does not seem to be something that will be exploited. I’m sure that amount of ram will be useful on a larger, more powerful FPGA platform. - So, now that I say that, I should probably just buy the dual ram since I usually am wrong 😂

[wise brook]

my scart setup is able to split the rgb output to my crt and tink5x so I could use dual ram for my 4k screen, but I'd do still prefer direct hdmi. otherwise I'd have to ay around whenever I want to use update_all or the like

[lavish wadi]

If I’m being honest with myself, I don’t think I would ever buy a PVM, CRT or stream my terrible gameplay.

If things were to change, the I/O boards aren’t that expensive. Would just have extra stuff collecting dust

[wise brook]

I need every advantage I can get, snac & crt

[gusty quest]

I just like to have a CRT in dual setup for cores that switch frequency and or resoultion on the fly while using the low latency sync mode. A LCD has to blank with every change. Some Amiga demos change so much they can cause the HDMI scaler to crash

[tall radish]

Any chance of a DualRAM version?

[burnt matrix]

Dual ram has no differences, you can use a single ram version without issue

[tall radish]

Really? Why the 2 releases then?

[wise brook]

vestigial

[burnt matrix]

Nothing needs dual ram. It’s just for core development purposes.

[south light]

apologies if this has already been asked, but has anyone tested PhotoCD compatibility with the Saturn core? https://segaretro.org/Photo_CD_Operating_System

[hallow fossil]

I am curious about this also. There is a redump pack of loads of them on archive.org incidentally

[drifting frigate]

I tried a couple and only get black screens. You have to put them in the same folder as the Photo CD OS and they seem to load initially, but nothing ever shows up. I've tried a Kodak sample one and some German tourist company's 'islands' disc and neither work.

Maybe they'd work better in bin/cue but as far as I can tell they hang before loading anything.

[serene thunder]

Do you need one of the Saturn's movie cards

https://segaretro.org/Video_CD_Card

That would also allow for the upgraded FMVs in some JP titles

i.e. Lunar

I have this one and the basic SEGA one

[hallow fossil]

Yeah, looks like you need this card

[wise brook]

just sold a Saturn for $660

gonna make a new MiSTer setup for my bro with the extra proceeds

[hallow fossil]

Wow, was there something special about it?

[wise brook]

I'm good at what I do, restorations, bypasses, etc etc

[green swift]

Damn. Mine has been capp’d, FRAM’d and ODE’d. I could get $600 for it?

[wise brook]

include the original packaging and a rad2x and I'd hope so

[green swift]

Ahhh gotcha. That’s like a mint setup. Congrats on that.

I remember when Rhea/Phoebe was the only game in town. Those systems were going for $1000+ around 2019 and 2020.

[wet hull]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/commits/main/

New incoming

[dim tulip]

Yeah the last retro system I need to mod out and add to the collection is the Saturn. I’m debating just buying a cheap Japanese saturn and cleaning it out, recapping, and throwing in a Fenrir. I can never get a straight answer on if Fenrir or Satiator is the way to go lol. I don’t care about the disk drive at all, just the games running on original hardware

[thick oriole]

I have a Fenrir and it works fine. Much cheaper option if you don't want to keep it stock.

[drifting frigate]

Per Sega Ages it's the other way around. The card makes the OS unnecessary, but the OS disc doesn't need the card. (PhotoCD is the only thing that can be done through software, though...so you need the card for vcd no matter what.)

[thick oriole]

I think a few games have some quirks at times, but it's mostly smooth sailing with Fenrir. Just use the latest correct beta firmware from his Discord. I think he's about to drop a new stable firmware, though.

[naive whale]

Ooh fun

Ping me if we have any major improvements pls 🙂

[gloomy hedge]

buy your bro a saturn

[mortal mist]

Saturn is mehhhhh

Atari Jaguar is KING

oops , I forgot that the dualsdram saturn core version no longer works for me 😄

[hearty marten]

Tapping my feet just like Sonic while waiting for the single RAM build to finish…

[wise brook]

nah, a MiSTer and an M30 would be perfect for him

[gloomy hedge]

yeah thats great but MiSTer saturn doesnt work 😛

yet

then again, there's a buncha other stuff you can do with a MiSTer

also M30 is so good

I support

[mortal mist]

no single 🙂

[thorn pagoda]

100% fenrir if you don't care about the disc drive, no question

[gloomy hedge]

I went fenrir

cant confirm if good idea yet, ask me in a year

😛 honestly I feel very positive on it, everything has worked splendidly

BUILLDDDDDDD time

[thorn pagoda]

i played like, a bunch of saturn core yesterday and i dont think i saw a single bug the whole time, it's getting really good

[gloomy hedge]

(hurry up bot, waiting for the real core , not this dual ram crap )

[thorn pagoda]

like it doesn't feel alpha anymore thats for sure

[gloomy hedge]

on my end its very alpha

waiting for the regressions to unregress

[drifting frigate]

Single RAM failed with a fitter error. Just so folks waiting for it know it's going to need to be rekicked.

#9 1761.1 Internal Error: Sub-system: VPR20KMAIN, File: /quartus/fitter/vpr20k/altera_arch_common/altera_arch_cluster_slm.c, Line: 2961

[mortal mist]

I'll be happy when the dualsdram version of the core starts working for me again 😄 not even that I need it , but it pisses me off when something stops working 🤣

[gloomy hedge]

noice

[drifting frigate]

It's sooo full, this is going to happen.

[gloomy hedge]

so uh

what exactly isfull

is the mister full

[drifting frigate]

It's all out of logic (and love, and is so lost without you)

[gloomy hedge]

lmao

okay but what if we sacrifice another core

give it the supergrafx

that should appease it for a while

[drifting frigate]

The Saturn Empire demands THE GENESIS DEVICE

[thorn pagoda]

its not exactly full but since fpga compilations are none deterministic as your core approaches 100% utilization it gets harder and harder to build successfully

[drifting frigate]

^-- that

[thorn pagoda]

ao486 famously used to work about 1/10 builds

[gloomy hedge]

sorry 1941 counter attak and one of the arthur throw knives games

[drifting frigate]

But...for all intents and purposes 'it's full' is a good way to look at it... the sand has to shuffle correctly to fit.

[gloomy hedge]

dang yo

[gloomy hedge]

amazing

[naive whale]

9.99 pounds of shit in a 10 pound bucket

[drifting frigate]

I'm doing a local single ram build I'll post here for people chomping at the bit (if it builds).

[mortal mist]

i'm building my dualsdram

[drifting frigate]

Oh, so @mortal mist - the dual ram drop worked for me BUT it 'black screened' instead of showing bios. If I hit the OSD button though, it worked and I could load a disc. I played about 12 min of Virtual On.

[gloomy hedge]

I dont want your farm to table build

I need Big MiSTer to give me a licensed gluten free build

[drifting frigate]

But...it's inoraganic and full of microplastics. It's DELICIOUS.

[mortal mist]

I had to restore some things from the older core, we'll see if it works 🙂

[gloomy hedge]

I mean what if my mister suddenly starts working

I'll have so much free time on my days

that have nothing to do with booting up the same 5 games in sheer disappointment over and over again

[gloomy hedge]

Kuba's frankencores, get yours here

[mortal mist]

I have not yet checked on the third mister , which I bought a year ago , maybe it will work there , but I will say frankly that I do not want to take it apart.

it doesn't make sense anyway since it doesn't work on the other two

[naive whale]

I demand celiac friendly cores or else I’ll crap myself and my throat closes up and I kinda might die a little

[drifting frigate]

CDi stands for Crohn's Disease....i?

[sacred goblet]

I think i find something inaccurate in sound. The sound when you take a cristal on bug! seems to be different from real hardware. I would like to open an issue but i don't have the capacity to capture a video from mister. If someone Can Do that for me 😉

[mortal mist]

for now, I don't have a working core 😛

[burnt matrix]

Only dual SDRAM build?

Is this finally my time to gloat?

[mortal mist]

single failed us

[hearty marten]

^

[burnt matrix]

Ok so I have time to gloat but it’s very limited

HAW HAW WOW THIS NEW BUILD IS SO GOOD Y’ALL

[hearty marten]

Our time to gloat will be when the VB core hits before the 3DO 😉

[burnt matrix]

YES BROTHER!!

[burnt matrix]

I’m lying, I’ve been stuck in meetings for hours and now I’m doing follow-ups lol

[neon fern]

I am a peasant yet again lol

[neon fern]

Curious to see what the change for Virtual On looks like, was playing it over the weekend

I never owned OG hardware so I don't know what the look for

Sega Saturn was always out of range for me in highschool, threw my lot in with Playstation and enjoyed Tekken and Final Fantasy games

[drifting frigate]

Here's my single ram build. I haven't tested it yet. Hot off the Quartus.

(Note, no changes at all...just rebuilt it local so it should be the same as the repo)

Seems to work OK.

[mortal mist]

works fine!

thanks @drifting frigate ❤️

[drifting frigate]

NP!

[thorn pagoda]

can anyone grab srg a screenshot of this bug?
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/153

[burnt matrix]

omg this new dual ram build unlocked a fully playable 3D sonic game in Sonic Jam, wow

[burnt matrix]

shit I'm too late

[mortal mist]

sure 🙂

[ripe valley]

What is completely strange is the Dual RAM version works fine on my system but not on Kuba's.

It's a MiSTery.

[mortal mist]

all previous core to 20240307 works correctly, any other core for dualsdram works ok

I compiled my own core based on 20240307 only with new new changes and it works too

[drifting frigate]

Pasted to the thread.

[drifting frigate]

Dual ram build plays Dreamcast.

[wise brook]

and 64x

[trim nimbus]

I thought the whole point of dual ram was to run Naomi games?

[naive whale]

Nice

[thorn pagoda]

if anyones testing virtua on today can you save a replay on this stage and post it here please?
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/157

[mortal mist]

ok so Virtua Cop 1/2 works again

and I think that's all of the changes 🙂

[drifting frigate]

Added that to the bug.

[thorn pagoda]

can you save an ingame replay and post your memcard file?

then srg320 can hopefully repro it without having to play it

[drifting frigate]

Someone else is welcome to, I just had time to grab that and am not familiar enough with Virtual On on Saturn (I only ever played it on Dreamcast really) to save a replay. I didn't win the match, either. The only time I've ever seen a save option was after a win. I just got it as a courtesy since I was already playing it to capture.

[burnt matrix]

How do you save a replay?

[thorn pagoda]

press L+R during a replay apparently

[burnt matrix]

Yeah that was it

[serene thunder]

I watched this not too long ago and it still slays me

[drifting frigate]

You wanna feel a little sad?

It's now a longer time span between Christmas Vacation and today than between the movies Clark was watching and Christmas Vacation. It flipped on December 3rd of last year. :/

[serene thunder]

😢

[serene thunder]

I was hoping to like Fletch more on rewatch
Really weird comedy

[burnt matrix]

@thorn pagoda Ok cool got it

@thorn pagoda Updated the bug. Thanks for calling attention to it - https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/157

[sudden tusk]

Where’s the single ram build ?

[burnt matrix]

don't you mock my playing. I was using a controller lol

[cursive ravine]

it failed and it needs to be poked to build again

[sudden tusk]

I want muh single ram!!

[ripe valley]

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[burnt matrix]

damnit you beat me to it lol

[cursive ravine]

oh missed that thanks!

[burnt matrix]

@sudden tusk ^

[thorn pagoda]

awesome thanks Robby, hopefully that helps srg out

[burnt matrix]

I helped, yay! 🥳

[thorn pagoda]

i can't imagine what it must be like for him trying to repro some of these bugs

without savestates or anything

[burnt matrix]

Yeah, that was really smart of you to suggest that. It's not just about being able to tell someone how to reproduce a bug but giving them a really easy way to do that. That's a huge part of resolving bugs too that no one is aware of.

I work with QA and man I always tell them how amazing they are when they go that extra mile. Love QA.

[thorn pagoda]

gotta get that iteration time down

hey actually you could post the same file on here i think? https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/156

[burnt matrix]

Done!

[burnt matrix]

Not that anyone was asking but the baked texture shadows for Powerslave are still rotated the wrong way with the latest build

[mortal mist]

yes, I checked it today

[burnt matrix]

Would a save help out here? I think you can see the issue at the very beginning of the first level.

[mortal mist]

I think that there is no problem to notice it 🙂

[burnt matrix]

lol true

[mortal mist]

we have given quite a few examples

[burnt matrix]

Oh great!

[sudden tusk]

Sooooo…. Any big changes ?

[naive whale]

Sun is on vacation. Temp sun is in

[woven veldt]

Just a bug/issue feeback, latest saturn single ram core (Saturn_SingleRAM_unstable_20240318.rbf), latest Mister main, Panzer Dragoon Saga USA (cd1), FMV intro and menu intro (loop, no gamepad button pushed) left running x3 times, on the 4th times FMV crash and kick you back to the Saturn bios... Don't know if the same is happening on OG hardware. Tried on US bios and JP bios region free, and it's the same...Can somebody confirm?

Also Radiant Silvergun musics sounds off, some instruments are missing/are quickly muted (VS OG hardware), while listening BGM tracks in the player setup menu...

[left hollow]

damn seems like croc still has some audio issues, at least for me. music seems fine from my brief testing but the sound effects are borked. Audio warning on video lol

Are there still lots of Saturn games with audio issues like this? I haven't followed along with all the development so I don't know

[sudden tusk]

The only one that comes to mind is wwf in your house !

[left hollow]

I'll have to start playing around with the saturn core with some games myself now that n64 core is pretty much finished and see what happens

[left hollow]

Good to know that. I'll always be testing with the single ram builds in case that makes a difference

Is the core still doing different things for people depending on their mister setup?

[burnt matrix]

Were there any noticeable improvements?

[left hollow]

I have no idea, this is the first time I tested the Saturn core since January. Seems to not be as crash prone as it was back then and I'm not noticing as much of a line issue with textures compared to the video Kuba posted in February

[sudden tusk]

I’m still on the old core

[random shard]

So I'm guessing from Kuba's comments that dual ram still doesn't work ?

[left hollow]

What I took from that is that his custom build he built for himself didn't work

I took Andy D's single ram build for my little testing I did

[quick sorrel]

No March 18 single RAM release?

In the unstable nightlies

[rotund steeple]

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[quick sorrel]

Oh thanks

[mortal mist]

My custom dualsdram build works fine

[left hollow]

Oh sorry i derped i suppose and missed this post, i wasn't completely thorough with my reading

[left hollow]

I saw this earlier and that's what lead me to believe it failed and didn't read enough into it later

How does the single ram version work on your other two mister's?

[mortal mist]

Works fine , no issues

[left hollow]

played through a bit of croc tonight. Had the audio issues but I pushed on until it crashed on level 1-5 when switching areas

[mortal mist]

I hope that we will not return to the days when everyone has different results when testing 🙂

[left hollow]

That'd be cool, I get a consistent crash on this area transition on 1-5 on croc. Tried 3 times with the same result. I didn't cold reboot or anything I just reset in the core with the same result three times in a row (audio warning)

[mortal mist]

can you make a submission on github and post game save + video ?

[left hollow]

I'll check out doing that in the morning

[quick sorrel]

Was there something that made it only build the dual RAM build? An error or something?>

[burnt matrix]

@thorn pagoda lol SRG just original hardware bombed us the eff out

[mortal mist]

interesting case 😄

I saw three videos just now on the Internet. In one recording I see the clouds moving vertically, in another horizontally, and in the third they don't move at all

i think that's how the game works

btw issue is closed

[burnt matrix]

we did it!

[tall radish]

I second this statement. 👍

[wise brook]

do remember that if y'all need original hardware testing I can provide

[mortal mist]

I'm too lazy to take Saturn out of the wardrobe

[thorn pagoda]

wow weird

well at least thats chased down one way or the other 🙂

thanks all who contributed, go team

[mortal mist]

for me music and sound works fine in Croc

you have the latest core + unstable main ?

duslasdram core works again for me

I have broken sound in Nights

When selecting a character, then it works ok

single and dual version

[left hollow]

I had latest core but not the latest unstable main so that might be it. I'll have to check it out after work today

[pine bobcat]

Where did you sell it?
I have a V-Saturn v2 with M.O.D.E. I’m thinking about selling

[mortal mist]

I can't reproduce it , I am watching the intro for the 8th time. Latest core + unstable mister main, usa bios (not region free ) , and region set to USA

[ancient surge]

The trend with sounds not properly ending like they should makes me question if it's an issue with the file format, or if there is a bug in the coding which is causing some sort of overflow or buffering issue.

[wise brook]

ebay

[mortal mist]

Dual and single , same result

[ripe valley]

Can't reproduce on my side.
But, during the gameplay, I could see a thin rainbow line on the left side of the screen since the last version.

I need to check Bug! and Croc later.

[mortal mist]

That's nice we have different results

That rainbow line has probably been there forever 🙂

[ripe valley]

I never paid attention to it before.
I've found a bug on Waku Waku 7 some weeks before on the attract mode and loading screens, thinking that could be a bug on the High Res VDP 2 function like Galaxy Fight.
But it is quite different after some more tests.

For Bug!, the sound is possibly different on the mixing but I needed to rapid A/B test by hearing between an original console and the core.

[cunning citrus]

Waku Waku 7 shows some different load screens based on its internal clock. Like seasonal stuff and Christmas.

[ripe valley]

These screens aren't affected, I will show some examples later on the issue.
The voices are scratchy too since some rather recent modifications with the SCSP.
I'm leaving a second issue opened on the tracker.

[mortal mist]

Works fine for me too 🙂

it turned out that I have image with a patch

[pine bobcat]

Auction or fixed price?

[drifting frigate]

Fitter just failed. Pretty common (and can be very random) when the fpga is low on resources. It rebuilt for me locally but could have just as easily failed a few times.

[hearty marten]

Just out of interest, how resource hungry is it to build the more complex cores? Would it be completely insane to try building them e.g. on a Pi? 🤔

[stiff patrol]

a Pi isnt a FPGA

its entirely different to write an Emu on a PI or to write one for an FPGA

if you mean just running Quartus then a PI is a feebl thing

[hearty marten]

No, I know that. I’m talking about building the rbfs from the verilog/vhdl

[stiff patrol]

the Saturn core takes minutes on my i13900 with 64 gb of ram

10-15 ish

so on a PI you are going to be waiting till the heat death of the universe

[hearty marten]

Is quartus multi-threaded, or single threaded?

[stiff patrol]

sadly single

well the version we use is

a PI is not a general purpose computer no matter how some wish it to be

[mortal mist]

This line in Night is also on the original hardware, it is not a core bug

on a CRT it is not visible

[ripe valley]

Thanks for the confirmation on original hardware, as I'm not at home until the next week end for testing with it.

[burnt matrix]

Yes it is, it’s great!!!!!!

[hearty marten]

Knew I should have @‘d you as soon as he said that

As a 1980s computer user at heart (never leave the command line unless I have to), I’ve actually been quite happy with the performance of my pi 5 😏

There’s also something quite appealing about having a setup where the monitor uses more energy than the computer itself

[stiff patrol]

you dont get to decide that

[burnt matrix]

[hardy lodge]

Why was the last unstable just dualram?

[mortal mist]

because the single version failed to compile

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[ancient surge]

I swear there is something funky with the SEGA Saturn core not being aligned right. Like I'm trying to get it into a 4:3 aspect ratio, but there is always that empty space on the right.

None of the other cores gives me this particular issue, so I think it's related to this specific core.

[hardy lodge]

I can't see it. And it probably would've ended up in the overscan on a crt.

[pastel basalt]

Not sure if any other games are having issues like this, does anyone else see this sprite issue in Saturn Battle Garegga?

Boss 1 bullets-

[pastel basalt]

Oh wow thanks for sharing

Which unstable are you using?

[mortal mist]

20240318 + unstable mister main

[pastel basalt]

I’m on the latest single ram build and stable main; also using analog video output though (not sure if that should make a difference)

[naive whale]

Saturnday vid in 7 minutes

and its up

[hard reef]

I saw some odd text rendering on the continue screen of Thunderforce V - not sure if that's new?

[mortal mist]

it's known

[waxen vortex]

Single RAM build still not up?

[mortal mist]

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[thorn pagoda]

weird the bot never succeded though, i thought it had retries

[waxen vortex]

Thanks Kuba

[ancient surge]

It sometimes happens.

[dense hill]

@naive whale make sure you aren't missing the brand new shiny ao486 magic

[naive whale]

Working on it with @drifting frigate help. I got fucked today. Off to the vet. Cat has worms. Had to deep clean our whole house 🤷🏻‍♂️

He’s waiting transport. Unhappily

[dense hill]

oh no

poor guy

[naive whale]

Yeah no clue how. Dog seems fine. Mysteries of the world

[dense hill]

I wish him a speedy recovery

[naive whale]

So Andy is helping capture since we cleaned from top to bottom, Steam cleaned rugs, disinfected and mopped floors, bleached everything. Upside is the house is now hospital clean

[dense hill]

nice. I can vouch for the core being great btw. it's just magic, you open the dos folder and click a game and it just boots, no nonsense

[naive whale]

I’ll be able to test tomorrow. Couldn’t leave my wife to clean when I went into my office. Thankfully pets aren’t really allowed in there

[dense hill]

great list too, all the kings quests, elder scrolls, settlers, theme hospital, gta, so much good stuff

yeah that sounds like an all around not great time, my condolences

but at least you have newww mister stuff to look forwaaard toooo haha

[naive whale]

I did raise a complaint because where’s my Rise of the Triad? Lol

[dense hill]

there is a github page taking requests atm

https://github.com/0mhz-net/0mhz-collection/issues/5

[slate karma]

They botched Wolf3D though, missed the VHD :/ I'm going to try my hand making my own tho, just for funsies

[dense hill]

once I'm back in the UK I wil try and get a few of my faves working

[thorn pagoda]

nice to see that getting some traction

you really need a team to get so many games working

[dense hill]

yeah there's so many dos games flying around, it's a sisyphean task unless you have a huge group going through it

I have 7200 exodos games and I can think of like 20 games off the top of my head that aren't in here

[thorn pagoda]

if you're really stuck there's more notes about how to fix stuff on the top300 pack github than ever actaully got implemented

in the issues

[dense hill]

I saw someone on youtube on pixelcherryninja's channel who actually said they got the top300 pack and got an additional 100 games working

it's a shame that like.. probably people are redoing redundant work right now because there's no systematic way to share configs

[thorn pagoda]

yeah we were hoping more people would contribute to top300

anyway its not wasted if you copy it, the commit history there is full of useful hints probably

[dense hill]

I didn't even realise it was WIP tbh, I thought it was like "here's 300 we like, some of them aren't going to work, have fun"

[thorn pagoda]

most of the work was probably spent on the updater for it

that was very hard to do

[dense hill]

I mean in terms of.. that person must have got like 100 extra games working right but none of their work is available onlinee

[thorn pagoda]

they probably mean they added 100 new games into the image

i don't thnk 100 of them were broken to start

[dense hill]

I dunno if that means added to the top 300 or added to themselves

like their own collection

[thorn pagoda]

"added about 100 more"

[dense hill]

to the public repo? (is it a git repo?)

[thorn pagoda]

you can do that with top300, just put more games in

it does have a repo but you can't add whole games to it

[dense hill]

but can you pull request config files?

[thorn pagoda]

https://github.com/flynnsbit/Top300_updates

yeah or other fixes

[dense hill]

it would be cool if there were a mister script where you could just press a button and it would commit all your config files

that way you would just set up whatever you have and then beep boop auto pull request

[neon fern]

Only issue I noticed with slight regression on new 3/18 core (unstable main and single 3.0 ram) is Earthworm Jim 2, audio completely cut out on 2nd level, though the sound effects previously cut out so maybe it's an extension of the same issue

[blazing lance]

Yeah, like a game MGL creator where someone figures out the perfect config

Would be nice

[left hollow]

I can confirm i still have the same issues with the latest unstable main. I even replaced my micro SD card today to test again with everything fresh today because I've been meaning to do a swap to a larger one for a little while now. Didn't think that would change anything anyways but thought I'd see what happens anyways

[left hollow]

Audio warning lol

[gloomy hedge]

Meh bummer. I understand 🙏🏽

[gloomy hedge]

unfortunately since the core doesnt work for me, I had to use a real saturn to reclaim my throne

unfortunately

I fucked up the extra stage

so no unlock 😦

womp womp

forgot that extra stage is kinda gnarly

I await when I can try again on my mister 🙂

[mortal mist]

It's chd or bin/cue?

[hardy lodge]

Oh no not pepsiman, he is my favourite!

[naive whale]

He’s good. Sleeping right now

Will be awake soon looking for his wet food

[hardy lodge]

I know the feeling.

Keep me updated on that cat.

[left hollow]

Bin/cue

[random shard]

I'm guessing you already know this but region auto-detection is sort of broken?

it works sometimes, sometimes you have to set the specific game's region, and sometimes it will only work in auto-detect?

game tengoku did not work by setting the console to japan, europe, asia or USA (did not test brazil), but I set the system to auto and it finally worked

other japanese games like bulk slash would only load by setting the region to japan, where auto failed

[random shard]

I did try resetting but I mean, both resetting and changing the region requires you to go into menu

Small nitpick though, I can live with it as it is

[mortal mist]

Do you have an unstable mister main? For the auto region option is required

[neon fern]

The auto switching was working for me maybe 8/10 times, and yah soft reset works usually

[random shard]

nope, I always wait for the stable

[tough star]

@random shard then our support will not help you

anywway- there wasnt a single core build on the 18th?

I only see dual core

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/robert-deniro-meet-the-fockers-point-looking-at-you-im-watching-you-gif-5145428

[mortal mist]

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[tough star]

@mortal mist well it's pointless if people refuse to switch to unstable 😄

thanks

ironically I only had a problem with an official release of MiSTer Main

never with unstable

[mortal mist]

but de10 nano explode with unstable mister main

I don't know if I've ever had a stable one 😄

[tough star]

https://tenor.com/view/house-explosion-explode-boom-kaboom-gif-19506150

"Real footage of a de10nano exploding because it ran unstable"

I haven't booted the saturn core in a while

what a big difference - Shining Force 3 looks really good now

no graphical glitches anymore

[left hollow]

I gotta try some other games besides croc lol

[random shard]

its fine, I can wait for the stable

[tough star]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-horse-yes-yes-yes-horse-nodding-gif-17885802

release is neigh

[pearl harbor]

Still no gouraud shading though!

[mortal mist]

Who needs it?

I'm waiting for that too 🤣

[hearty marten]

Hopefully not too much longer. Really feels like we’re closing in on the finish line!

Now just to hope that a Shenmue Saturn prototype is discovered/leaks at some point in the future 🤞

[wise brook]

Shenmue

it's alright

[hearty marten]

I still believe…

https://youtu.be/Go2aLMXbzew

[wise brook]

I've had many a dream set in the snowy streets of どぶ板

[hearty marten]

Imagine seeing it in all its pixely glory on the MiSTer Saturn core 🤤

[wise brook]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BUHaUHKvhCE&pp=ygUUc2hlbm11ZSBmcmVlIDEgcmVtaXg%3D

[hearty marten]

The best environmental music was: https://youtu.be/kIPFttZPYME

[wise brook]

y'ever played the demo?

[hearty marten]

Which demo? The beta version? If so, nope!

Or do you mean What’s Shenmue?

(I played that recently)

[wise brook]

yep that

[hearty marten]

Yeah, it’s got a pretty funny story 😄

[rich violet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkAMzt1GI3g
Anyone tried this?

[ripe valley]

I will probably need some help for an issue on Waku Waku 7.
I've found some issues with voices during gameplay yesterday, being scratchy.

srg320 replied to me : "Is it the same problem in the sound test menu?"

I don't remember a sound test menu on that game on Saturn.
Does it remember something to someone else here ?

[mortal mist]

BGM test

Voices are broken too

Same in game

It's under GAME SETTING 2

@ripe valley

[gloomy hedge]

on the finish line to an alpha build that works for 10% of the hardware!

and then... the real work begins

how will we make the saturn core work on aktane's specific mister

once the core is strong enough I will be here

waiting, to test it

[mortal mist]

Your MiSTer is weak...

[gloomy hedge]

no my mister is strong, the core cant handle it

[mortal mist]

💩

[gloomy hedge]

the core is weak...

[mortal mist]

Just kidding 😉

[gloomy hedge]

dude how can you possibly kid about my WHOPPING ONE GIANT FAT STICK

of SD RAM

THREE POINT OH

direct from porkchops butcher

farm to chip to table

to mister

to WSOD

(shoutouts game tengoku, works perfectly on mister, enjoy that game its awesome)

[mortal mist]

Fun game

[serene thunder]

Isn't the sequel PSX-only?

[ripe valley]

Thanks @mortal mist

[gloomy hedge]

yeah but oddly I havent played that one

[serene thunder]

Nerd harder

[gloomy hedge]

nahh

I only play cores that dont work on my mister

if it works super well then whats the point

[woven veldt]

Ok thanks for the feedback...just to add it's a cue+bin that works 100% ok not a CHD. I have the 4M cart enabled maybe it's doing something there. I'll try again.

[mortal mist]

try with Unstable mister main too

[woven veldt]

I have latest Unstable Main...

[mortal mist]

ok 👍🏻

[woven veldt]

Let me try now again with the 4M cart disabled

[rigid obsidian]

I'm noticing a visual glitch regression in fmvs in Tengai Makyō: Daiyon no Mokushiroku; random black bars in the upper half of the video are flickering in at random. I notice it happening on builds from March 18th and March 7th, if I go back to a build from Feb 12th the issue isn't present at all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=il-PyUMFX7s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1gKlp2LAzA

[severe whale]

Anyone tried any of the Saturn widescreen hacks on the core?

[woven veldt]

Same thing, see the first 2min of the video (sound disabled for size) for my setup and crash occurs starting 23min 30sec...also my 128MB ram is the latest (v3, pass all the ram tests, no issue with it)...

[neon fern]

New arrival, can't wait to get gud at Virtual On

[mortal mist]

unfortunately I can't reproduce it

I left the game on for over an hour and it was ok

[wise brook]

ohhh da pink version

homer_drool.gif

[mortal mist]

@tall radish Are you using an sd card or an external drive?

[neon fern]

I have to confess...I bought a 2nd green and swapped in pink sanwa buttons and ball top 😂

[wise brook]

oh hell yeah that's genius

[woven veldt]

To add I'm using an external 4TB ssd drive. But anyway it's still a core under development so let see how it'll go over time...

[woven veldt]

Anyway, thanks for having a look at it!

[gloomy hedge]

yoo ggs nice

[bleak escarp]

felt like gambling, well see when im on the other end of this if things dont work or I get mega screwed on shipping

[frozen shard]

Isn't this what you're looking for?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6Ua3OfYEsg

Big gradient dialog boxes in FFVII
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That's plain-jane 1440p from HDMI. But we were discussing something to check @unkempt kelp's almost-ready new I/O Analog Pro against.

[tidal marsh]

this is what happens if you don't use a fan

[severe whale]

i believe that is based on the PSP script and not the PSX version 😕

[mortal mist]

yes, PSP ...

[severe whale]

what would be ideal is if someone took the original PSX script and fused it with the QoL updates with 4MB Ram support, quick map access etc

[rich violet]

I never played the PSP or PS1 games, but listening to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4-aFrKoL-I the voice acting is super bad in the PS1 version. I can see why they redid it for PSP

[severe whale]

ehh, its that bad voice acting that gives the game its charm lol

similiar to original Resident Evil on PSX

[mortal mist]

This is nostalgia , I return only to the original version. I never got used to the PSP version.

[severe whale]

no one takes those game super seriously so its no use to remake it to be "serious"

[mortal mist]

I remember unlocking SOTN in the PSP version , start playing and shock .... where are the dialogues and voices that I know ? WTF ?!!

[severe whale]

yeah I hate when developer does that, it kind of kills the game

[mortal mist]

it's a pity that they didn't add the choice of changing dialogues for SOTN in Castlevania Requiem (PS4)

but we have a MiSTer 🙂

[severe whale]

i havent played requiem

is that the castlevania collection?

[mortal mist]

yes, SOTN + Rondo of Blood

[severe whale]

cool 🙂

[wise brook]

I've finally dipped my toe into Saturn rom hacking

[rich violet]

Creating a rom hack?

[wise brook]

yep, specifically a translation

[rich violet]

Very cool! Good luck

[severe whale]

want a suggestion? 😉

[wise brook]

never

[severe whale]

😦

[ancient surge]

I would recommend trying out Baroque. A pretty unique take on the rogue-like formula set in an apocalyptic hellscape.

[burnt matrix]

please translate Bug

[mortal mist]

there is only one game worth translating

only one...

Segata Sanshiro Shinken Yugi

https://tenor.com/view/segata-sanshiro-nod-yes-gif-5612081

[bleak escarp]

You joke but a piece of my soul splinters off every time a Princess Crown translation is started and then radio silent

[burnt matrix]

that is your punishment for wanting to play that game!!

[bleak escarp]

Wait until you hear about Sega-ga-ga on Dreamcast

[mortal mist]

Princess Crown was also released on PSP and PS4 and never with English translation

[tough star]

Maybe it’s just a bad game?

[random shard]

vanillaware doing their thing

[bleak escarp]

I see no problem with this

[tough star]

Ok toilet boy 🙂 what a nick 😄 lol

[severe whale]

Yeah Princess Crown and Nanatsu Kaze

are baaaadly needed

[random shard]

yes

nanatsu kaze

and tengai makyo IV

and leynos 2, unless the remake finally comes out

Wachenröder was never finished

Black Matrix looks fine too

I could go on

too many

[severe whale]

Yeah

The west was cucked by sega

Self inflicted

[bleak escarp]

I blame Peter Moore but I know it runs deeper than that

[random shard]

I blame sega of japan but then there's that guy on twitter proving us all wrong lately

[bleak escarp]

Oh?

[random shard]

so for example

I blamed sega of japan for not teaming up with sony

turns out it was sony's execs all along

[severe whale]

when were there talks of sony teaming with sega?

[bleak escarp]

After Nintendo's stint but before the Saturn I reckon?

[neon fern]

Hmm can't get twin sticks to work in SNAC on the last core from 3/16

SNAC is enabled but I can't select twin stick from controller options

It has 3D, Mission, Dual Mission ect

Using SNAX from @unkempt kelp

[wise brook]

The only people who think Sega should have took the deal the devil offered don't really like sega and their games.

there's a reason Nintendo ran for the hills after reading the paperwork

[wise brook]

you don't select the controller type.

you just plug it in the snac port and play

[neon fern]

Hmm not sure what's up

[wise brook]

is the twin stick not responding at all?

[neon fern]

Nope

[wise brook]

any other controller types working?

[neon fern]

It's my only saturn controller unfortunately, just got it

Hoping it's not busted lol that would suck

[wise brook]

and you've tried reinserting the controller a few times?

just in case it's an oxide buildup

[neon fern]

Yah I'm looking at the connector, taking some isopropyl to it

[serene thunder]

Good idea, we need the JP versions translated to make sure we are getting maximum BUG! lore

[unkempt kelp]

Saturn connectors can be funky. I hand test each adapter before shipping. Try backing off from full insertion a few mm.

[random shard]

I could have sworn it was before they went to nintendo

[random shard]

this is the guy to follow if you're passionate about sega's history https://twitter.com/MegaDriveShock

[wise brook]

It's got nothing else to verify against, original hardware, other controllers, etc.

one of the reasons I held onto a n64 + saturn was to verify the controllers and other accessories

[neon fern]

Yah snugging the connector away a bit is getting a couple of inputs to register, can't get a good enough connection I think to get all the pins contacted

[wise brook]

deoxit might help if you need something a bit tougher

[random shard]

some tweets about sega you might find interesting, that go against popular belief:

https://x.com/MegaDriveShock/status/1679274084562243584?s=20

https://x.com/MegaDriveShock/status/1678746187376263169?s=20

https://x.com/MegaDriveShock/status/1676008239459373056?s=20

https://x.com/MegaDriveShock/status/1644445673381859330?s=20

https://x.com/MegaDriveShock/status/1644150321533558785?s=20

https://x.com/MegaDriveShock/status/1643733543858888704?s=20

John Harrison - Mega Drive Shock (@MegaDriveShock) on X

We can listen to the hardware engineers, like Hideki Sato who designed the Saturn:

https://t.co/5vZGXDc8tc

A "dedicated polygon engine"? Do you mean a geometry processor? The Saturn can display polygons fine.

Twitter · Apr 7, 2023, 1:29 AM

there was one particular interview that I still can't find, which explains why negotiations with Sega and Sony failed

the Sony exec basically spent the whole business dinner playing manipulation games by changing the subject, so Sega just dropped the deal request

Found it

https://mdshock.com/2019/03/18/sega-and-sony-new-insight-into-the-partnership-that-never-came-to-be/

[neon fern]

Cleaned pins, found the sweet spot on the connector, all good now

[wise brook]

magic

can't wait for srg320's composite blending

fingers crossed he can pull off the adaptive blending

[neon fern]

I need more sega saturn controllers heh, too many cool peripherals on this system

3D controllers are more than I expected

[rigid obsidian]

I just got a spare 3d controller in yesterday, I figured it won't hurt to have a backup.

[wise brook]

the rare curry color negcon

[rigid obsidian]

hehe the price was right

[wise brook]

nothing wrong with that my dude

this was taken from the end of Pandemonium Reviews - Virtua Cop review. I think of it often

b l u e
b l u e
s k i e s

[bleak escarp]

I'm biding my time to join the cool controller club, apparently it'll take a week to get to the warehouse to ship

[neon fern]

those are so clean lol so many I'm looking at rn are really crusty

I know I can clean em myself, it's still nasty tho

[rigid obsidian]

Was the last 30 dollar 3d pad they had in stock, I'm glad it came in good shape despite that.