Sega Saturn

[serene thunder]

But I enjoy trying all Capcom games on highest difficulty, as some get more fun (Final Fight and other BEUs)

Like FF has settings for two different Difficulties

Not sure if one might affect enemy energy and the other enemy damage? Hordes also seem to grow

Saturn could have excelled at a FF port
Cool info:
https://tcrf.net/Final_Fight_(Arcade)

[sudden tusk]

Alpha 2 arcade at the hardest difficulty gives the cpu a huge damage boost it’s nuts!

[serene thunder]

I get a kick out of how huge damage is in the early SFII games
Isn't Chun's throw known to randomly drain a massive chunk

Those first couple versions of Ghief, yikes

[sudden tusk]

Yeah gief is a much bigger issue than any iteration of chun lol

[gloomy hedge]

saturn senior, saturn junior, nintendo saturn, and play saturn 2

[naive whale]

Lol the lens makes it look like you’ve got a wide ass saturn

[gloomy hedge]

Saturn be THICC

And a tiiiny ps2

When in reality the exact opposite lol

[hardy lodge]

I like the stickers in the MiSTer

[wise brook]

saturn be looooonnnnnng

it's the 29th birthday of an absolute banger

[severe whale]

I bought a PSX back then but my friend had a Saturn. Of all the games on Saturn there was no other I envied as much as Panzer Dragoon.
One of the few games that really manages to create a sense of epicness. From the very first flight with your dragon over that ancient city in ruins to the greatest game soundtrack ever. What a game.

[wise brook]

died on 4th stage

gonna finish before work with some Craig Stadler

[gloomy hedge]

Oh actually it's just my bikini case 👙 it came like that 😅 I got it from etsy

pic from when i put my 3.0 ram in

[kindred peak]

Rack mount Saturn long boi 🤤

[gloomy hedge]

Man I don't see no rack ears but now I want it hahahahaha

I also hope that drive opens up and it's just a floppy disc drive for that floppy

[ocean wasp]

Is there already an option to play pal games on 50hz?

[mortal mist]

yes

[ocean wasp]

Seems they alway get booted in 60 which affects adapted games.

Ok hmm. Set console region to europe

Ah ok toggling in game did work

Thx

[wise brook]

I'm kinda sick of people leaving unnecessary open issues on the github

FGKey2040

ZmaxAldrey

amongst others

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/segata-sanshiro-karate-explosion-gif-5612076

Segata will teach them good behavior

[hearty marten]

No update for 5 days. Clearly srg320 is gonna drop some gouraud shading on us soon 😏

[wise brook]

I hope he goes for the really unexpected features

lightgun compatibility

fdd save support

netlink

[green swift]

Netlink would be cool to see.

[mortal steppe]

I Hope bugs with 2.4/2.5 SDRAM fixed 😔

[gloomy hedge]

best unexpected feature 😛

[stiff patrol]

its unlikely that 2.4 and 2.5 ram will be fixed/. The core pushes the Ram hard

[ripe valley]

Don't forget that the core takes already almost all the FPGA chip too, so adding features will be complex.

[stiff patrol]

plus just because there have been no commits doesnt mean he has been working on the core non stop. He has a life and isnt being paid to do this

[gloomy hedge]

I dont know if I'd say he isnt being paid

but I dont think its worth discussing here

point is - we all know he's doing his best

we're all just excited to see whats next

[stiff patrol]

Patreon is no paid thing. You pay to support the person not to receive anything

[gloomy hedge]

no harm in that

[gloomy hedge]

thats not what I said though

I mean he is being paid

regardless of whether he produces anything or not

I think it would be a misnomer to say that he isnt being paid, thats all

they are donations of course

roughly $2,500 USD a month is a solid payment, again, in donations

of course the work he's doing is straight MAGIC 😛

and has immeasurable value to many of us

more importantly, hope he's safe now and healthy and can help us with retro stuff for decades to come 🙂

[hearty marten]

Yeah, for what it’s worth I was kidding about the next thing. It’s ready when it’s ready

[hardy lodge]

Soooo since n64 is pretty much done all eyes are on saturn.

[hearty marten]

And after that, we’ll all move on to the virtual boy core 😎

[pearl harbor]

My eyes have been on Saturn all along! All hail the superior console!
In all seriousness, I love N64 as well. Robert's work on that core has been nothing short of amazing.

[amber lichen]

I would say full of amazement

[naive whale]

Sega does what NintenDont

Play Elevator Action Returns!

[gloomy hedge]

psh whatever I could have done it, just give me robert and a million dollars to pay him, and voila same output

the great thing about all these cores is that its a community effort

yes its the dev but everyone pitches in, and everyone contributes valuable and painstaking testing time and detection of issues

its really something special

[severe whale]

Tate mode in Layer Section

[clear condor]

JVC gang

[kind quarry]

i wonder if Netlink, or later console internet connections could be a thing to re-establish.

it’d be really fun to see on a future dreamcast core the ability to play phantasy star online again.

[wise brook]

specifically on MiSTer or are you asking in general?

[kind quarry]

mostly MiSTER. i know there are some folks who’ve done netlink/dreamcast work before. i future dreamcast FPGA core implementing net code could be neat to see someday

[green swift]

Is there an ini setting that allows for smoother resolution switching over HDMI? Die Hard Arcade is crazy with the resolution switching. It’s like every 3 seconds lol

[gloomy hedge]

probably like vsync adjust = 1 or 0 maybe?

you'd lose out on input lag tho

ultimately im sure the core could have some features maybe that could help?

[green swift]

Yeah, damn. I’ve been out of the loop and I thought MiSTer had some kind of fast switching motion adaptive deinterlacing like the GBSC or RT5x.

[simple hound]

The town he is in, is literally in the russian occupied part of Ukraine also. I really feel for him - I cant imagine the stress of day to day life he must experience... I trully hope it all ends positevely and that he is well

[gloomy hedge]

I thought he moved

[simple hound]

you could be correct - do you know where he is now?

I was quoting 18 month old information

with 2500 USD a month I guess would go a long way over there so a move is likely i guess

[simple hound]

Im not sure if you know but I've been doing this on OG Xbox via insignia - it is a really cool experience

[gloomy hedge]

Yeah he's moved since then

From what I understand 🙂

[quick sorrel]

Long gone moved AFAIK

to unoccupied area

[serene thunder]

Zwei was a big step up for me

[severe whale]

Hence why I played it on a CRT. That game switches resolutions alot

Someone above wished for netlink support in the core. How would that even work? Didn’t netlink require dial up?

[faint flicker]

is this the boot screen from the Saturn bios you use on the Mister? For me it helped a lot with Sega Rally to use the Hi-Saturn 1.02 (J).bin Bios. i got v2.5 ram and with this bios i can play while with the USA bios it always crashed

[gloomy hedge]

So it's a region free bios with the USA boot screen, but I can try switching it back to the usual hi Saturn or something. Switching bios hasn't helped me in the past but always worth anothrr shot.

You don't use 1.03? You specifically use 1.02?

[mortal mist]

this game should work the same regardless of the bios used. I am surprised that there is any correlation between bios version and sdram version

[faint flicker]

oh, i just copied the text from discord history, im sure i use the latest hi-saturn one with the blue boot screen

ist just helped me, the USA bios did not let me play V-Rally and the hi-Saturn lets me play it with sometimes losing the music or the sound

@gloomy hedge i think its worth a try, for me it changed the behaviour

[gloomy hedge]

That's interesting absolutely

And worth it to test. I could also get away from these hacked region free bios and go back to using legit ones from sega

That said I am very distracted because my retrotink came in yesterday for my real Saturn 🪐

[mortal mist]

now there is no point in using region free bios , we have auto option 🙂

[gloomy hedge]

Yeah! But is that still only on the unstable mister core?

Just to confirm..

[mortal mist]

have fun!

[gloomy hedge]

I haven't tried that option yet

[mortal mist]

yes 🙂

[gloomy hedge]

Once it gets committed we should make a guide to how it eorks

[mortal mist]

I guess you are not afraid of this unstable mister main ? 😛

[gloomy hedge]

Or maybe add it to update all?

[gloomy hedge]

That's my secret cap, I'm always afraid

[mortal mist]

I can't remember when I used any stable version

[gloomy hedge]

Not everyone can be as brave as you haha

I can't deal with all this testing tbh

I have to game, I want to beat games

So I need stability. The frustration of having a 1CC or something taken away because of some stability issue would actually end me

And boy it's awesome (retrotink 5x)

Retrotink capture, Blast Wind (boosted music hack) stage 1, for any kind of reference use for the core.

This is fairly stock so I haven't fucked with the image much. Just turned off triple buffering, input lag was bad coming out go the box. I was about to return the thing. Lol firmware update fixed all that. 😂

I will test this game on the newest core, it's fully fixed right?

Like sound wise and stuff?

[mortal mist]

yes , everything should be ok

[gloomy hedge]

In terms of bios...

Guess I'll go back to a legit hi Saturn 1.03 and test it as well per @faint flicker suggestion

I will not be going unstable mister core tho 😬

[mortal mist]

The changes that have been made to the unstable main are important. It is not just about the auto region, but also about the sound

I don't force , but I don't know what's so terrible about it , it doesn't spoil anything , mister won't explode and it's just one file to put on the sd card

[gloomy hedge]

It says unstable

I want stability

🤣

So I'll just wait

I'm patient

I assume it says unstable for a reason

Maybe that is a bad assumption I don't know

[mortal mist]

and you know that you are testing core versions which are also unstable ?

[gloomy hedge]

Yes but that doesn't affect my whole Mister

[mortal mist]

it's just a name

[gloomy hedge]

That only affects this core which is fucky

Is there a guarantee unstable will not affect any other cores?

And I guess if not, why don't we just commit it ?

[mortal mist]

always waiting for more changes

[gloomy hedge]

?

I'm not sure I understand

If it's stable, why mark it unstable and wait

I don't get the logic

It just prevents everyone who isn't in this discord to having the latest stable mister

[mortal mist]

ok you don't have to understand it , you can wait , there was no topic 🙂

but I understand that if the STABLE version comes out and has a bug , a fix will come out in the UNSTABLE version ( because that's how stupidly it was called ) then you will wait another month or two 🙂

[gloomy hedge]

Don't look at me, I just play the games lol

I'm a janitor at best

My testing is limited to - put game in system - play game

But yeah good to know that I'll always be behind so there is no point with my method of using stable mister. That saves me the trouble of testing the wrong stuff 🙏🏽

[naive whale]

Send me that. I’ll put it in a Saturn vid

[gloomy hedge]

That is the full clip feel free to download it's already been x264 / 1080p uncompressed ! But also I am probably going to clear this game soon again on the Saturn 🙂 let me know if you need Saturn footage of games and I'm happy to TINK it over 😉

[naive whale]

I’ll dm u

[mortal mist]

unstable saturn core needs unstable mister main to work at the moment when it comes to better sound (no audio clicks before cdda tracks and for auto region )

no one is telling you to install anything , I rather wanted to show that there is nothing to be afraid of , people are testing core , which is not officially there , but they are afraid to test mister main in the test version 🙂

[gloomy hedge]

By the way, The core should be updated on update all if it hasn't already. It's kind of ridiculous that the super old core is there. It should at least match up with the latest stable main.

I'm more of a spokesperson for the average mister user than a tester 🤣

Don't worry - I'll just be clear about exactly what I test, and if it's useful, it'll be useful. If not it'll be "Aktane's unlucky mister is at it again"

[sacred goblet]

I've installed unstable mister with unstable saturn core and i don't have any problems.

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/operation-teapot-nuke-nuclear-explosion-nuclear-test-nuclear-footage-gif-15618232923822161090

Your mister 😛

[stiff patrol]

Thanks for installing the unstable Main. Now please log into your bank account I need some new toys !

[ancient surge]

https://vxtwitter.com/DerekPascarella/status/1767966885776163009?t=j6FnRAkmSUHh64BDLiJm8Q&s=19

[rich violet]

A bunch of new commits: https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/commits/main/

[mortal mist]

yeeaahhhh

[ancient surge]

This might break a few things.

[glass aurora]

Why is that?

[ancient surge]

New coding can clash with the older coding, causing new regressions to appear. This has happened before several times.

[mortal mist]

let's be of good cheer 🙂 , time for testing

[glass aurora]

Wasn't sure if there was anything specific in the changelog that was a red flag.
Happy to see see the new commits!

[naive whale]

Tomb raider eh?

[mortal mist]

yes, sound

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/77

[naive whale]

Ping me if improvements are found 🙂 so I can line up for a vid

Saturnday is best day

[wise brook]

srg320 smashing bugs like some sort of Helldiver

[wise brook]

but what regressions were there in the scap? the interference when skipping bios?

can't think of anything else

[mortal mist]

yes , that's definitely it

ok time for some tests

🙂

[naive whale]

Go time

@mortal mist lmk what you find

[pearl harbor]

Aww yeah, we got ourselves a Saturnday!

[mortal mist]

for now I can't even get the core working 😄

[wise brook]

boo!

[mortal mist]

nah it's my fault 🙂

[sacred goblet]

I notice since 2 or 3 release some écho in sound. I did not notice it before.

[sage minnow]

currently, Netlink/Xband connections are done via a tunnel running on PC or a Pi: https://www.segasaturnshiro.com/2022/05/26/saturn-netlink-tunnels-its-way-online/ the main hurdle is having the hardware, which wouldn't be an issue for MiSTer users

[wise brook]

行きましょう!

[mortal mist]

yes , bios is fixed

i mean sound 🙂

[wise brook]

pft, I just hand made my own analog telephone network

[wise brook]

incredible

[wise brook]

not even joking about that, I keep a little 2player phone-line setup in a box

[mortal mist]

yeah , sound in Tomb Raider is fixed

[wise brook]

the only other sound thing I kinda remember was someone saying Guardian Heroes had a little clipping

maybe it was EER?

[trim nimbus]

afterburner 2?

[wise brook]

I don't recall that coming up but might still have been

[naive whale]

Last I played it was fine. But a few cores back I feel like the louder SFX would clip the channels

[pearl harbor]

Fixed in the previous update. Both music and sound effects.

[wise brook]

I don't want to say sound is now perfect... but this seems like it's reached 0.99b release candidate status

[mortal mist]

can someone check the dualsdram version ? does not work for me

[trim nimbus]

I thought that there were some clipping issues with the fixed elevator action?

[pearl harbor]

X-Men vs Street Fighter still crashes.

[naive whale]

Damn

[wise brook]

that's what I mean with EER

[pearl harbor]

What clipping issues in EER? It sounds good on my end with the last couple updates.

[wise brook]

exactly

I think I thought I saw someone mention it

https://tenor.com/view/nephew-roommate-father-brother-cousin-gif-11282634

[naive whale]

Same. I edited a test on JUST that game. Sounded good

The SFX are too loud but that’s an OG hardware thing too. Just the balance

[trim nimbus]

@mortal mist you mentioned Astal had sound issues on github

[mortal mist]

it was an error like this in the bios

[wise brook]

Astal's issue is unique in the library

[trim nimbus]

wonder if the memory fixes/speedups fix slowdowns in doa

[wise brook]

like an in-game glitch that corrects itself on og hardware

[wise brook]

I'm hoping

[mortal mist]

yeah

nope

doa no change

[wise brook]

especially for Fighters megamix

[faint flicker]

So I just tried the core with unstable mister and with my 2.5 ram it seems to work much better thank before. I'm using the 1.02 hi-saturn bios. Is there even a 1.03 variant? Somehow I can't find one 😬

[wise brook]

you'd need to look beyond the archive dot org

[naive whale]

There is a 1.03 yes

[faint flicker]

Okay, gotta look then 😅

[mortal mist]

hmm my dualsdram core ver 20230307 works fine

something is wrong with the latest dualsdram

single works ok

[wise brook]

could the upload here just be borked?

[pearl harbor]

Can anyone else test Ogre Battle? I noticed that when viewing the map in 3D mode (the option that looks like SNES mode 7 scaling), the units flicker up and down the screen when moving the map around with the Z button. Just want to make sure that at least one other user encounters it before I open it as an issue on github.

When the map is in the top–down 2D mode, this issue doesn't happen. Only in the 3D camera mode.

[ripe valley]

Sounds are completely distorted on the latest build on the Hi-Saturn BIOS, even my with own compilations of the Single and Dual RAM.
Waku Waku 7 sounds and effects are borked.

[mortal mist]

is dualsdram core working for you?

[ripe valley]

DualSD is borked.

[mortal mist]

ok thanks

Andretti Racing... mein gott

sound is totaly mess 😄

[ripe valley]

Single from the Unstable Nightlies have distorted sound.
Single and Dual from my compilations are distorted too.

[mortal mist]

yeah, i hear that

[ripe valley]

Chipmunk sounds on Policenauts on the title screen.

So something is wrong on the SCSP side.

[rotund steeple]

Just tested Andretti Racing. Sound totally normal - Single Ram Core, todays build.

German PAL Version

[mortal mist]

music is mess , to much distorsion

ntsc ver

[rotund steeple]

Mmh, title, menu ingame sounds ok-ish for me. Will test the NTSC version later.

[ripe valley]

Sakura Taisen (and the EN translation) is too fast on the sound.

Creating a chipmunk effect on voices.

[ancient surge]

Uh-huh, I knew there would be new regressions. I'm assuming srg is aware of it and plans to fix it.

[mortal mist]

core 20240307

core 20240313

say you can't hear the difference? 🙂

title music

[rotund steeple]

I can hear it in your video clips. But in the actual core...no.

strange.

Tried the NTSC version, it's not what i hear in your clip. edit: Ok, maybe a bit. But nothing drastic though

[gloomy hedge]

YOOO update SYS?!

[pearl harbor]

I need to check this between today's core the previous core. Just tried today's core, and it sounded fine on my end.

Checking the previous core now to see if I hear a difference.

[ripe valley]

I have some distortions/clipping + speed up music on the intro of Sakura Taisen.
And a general chipmunk effect, like if we have a 1.10X setting on all the tested games so far.
Waku Waku 7 introduction is quite striking.

For my tests, I'm on the Dual RAM system but with a the Single core from Unstable_Nightlies.
I'm using the newest menu and Main MiSTer files from today.
Multi region 1.03 Hi-Saturn BIOS.

[mortal mist]

hah , Adretti Racing works ok with japan bios

doesn't work well with my ntsc usa bios, don't get it

[rotund steeple]

I use a multi region rom, with auto region settings in the core anyway.

[mortal mist]

in the previous core is ok everything

[ripe valley]

Okay, that's a clue.

[mortal mist]

now i'm too 🙂

and it's ok

[pearl harbor]

Yeah, it is a little noticable when I go back and forth between them. It's pretty subtle in Sakura Wars, but it is there.

[mortal mist]

I had the bios assigned separately for each region

[pearl harbor]

Oh wow, it's really noticable in Elevator Action Returns. It actually seems to be an increase in speed for everything. Not just audio. The entire game speed is sped up.

[rotund steeple]

Also can't hear any "chipmunk" sound in Policenauts. Sounds in normal speed for me.

[pearl harbor]

Sakura Wars is also full game speed up. It's not just audio that is the problem. You can tell in that game because the lip syncing is still perfect, even with the increase in audio speed.

lol, Magic Knight Rayearth too.

Yeah, every game is sped up entirely. It is not an audio problem. It's a game speed problem.

[ripe valley]

Okay, region detection is borked.

[mortal mist]

yes

[ripe valley]

If I set the core on forced Europe with NTSC-U/NTSC-J, my games are running great now.

[wise brook]

aaaahhjhj

it's like pal to ntsc

[mortal mist]

I've come to that conclusion too 😄

[rotund steeple]

Elevator actions show 63.7Hz in Mister. LOL

[wise brook]

overclock achieved!

[ripe valley]

I will try with a standard BIOS.

[rotund steeple]

Looks like switching through the regions fixed the problem. I haven't changed the bios or core settings.

Now it shows 59.8Hz for Elevator Action

[pearl harbor]

When I switch to europe for the region, it fixes the audio, but it runs at 49.9hz.

[rotund steeple]

Switch back to NTSC or Auto. Works fine for me then

[pearl harbor]

Yep, switching to Europe, and then back to auto/USA fixes it. Very odd!

[rotund steeple]

So, just a region detection hickup. Nothing drastic today.

[pearl harbor]

Should be very easily fixable.

[mortal mist]

yeah 🙂

[pearl harbor]

I need to retest Ogre Battle now to see if the region switching fixed the flickering unit location issue. Doubt it, but who knows.

I'll add it to github if nobody else is able to test it.

[ripe valley]

I will need to go to the hospital beginning tomorrow, so I'm not opening the issue for the busted region detection on the tracker and prefer that someone else do it.
As I will probably need to rest, stay without any activity from 3-5 days and can't follow anything here.

Thanks @pearl harbor if you can do it (or even @mortal mist).

[pearl harbor]

Yeah, it's still busted.

Added it to github.

[mortal mist]

@pearl harbor will you also describe the problem with the region detection?

[wise brook]

what am I chopped liver!?

[wise brook]

美味しい

just ate some Pâté

[thorn pagoda]

hope everything goes well!

if saturn core has an updated sys now does that mean it should have DV1 metadata for external scalers ?

[wet hull]

Yes

Can someone try to compile the core?

Just to rule out the unstable compile

Also delete any .cfg file

[wise brook]

Zet already did

unless I missread

[thorn pagoda]

cool i can test the dv1 stuff

[ripe valley]

I've already compiled the two versions of the core.

No change at all.

(And sorry for earlier @wise brook )

[wise brook]

if you want to play Tomb Raider you'll benefit from it

https://tenor.com/view/segata-sanshiro-mask-santa-claus-gif-5612079

[mortal mist]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/152

@ripe valley @pearl harbor please add something if you want

I don't think I outlined the problem very well

I have to finish testing for today

good night

@ripe valley get well soon!

[alpine pagoda]

Multisystem seems the same as last core, sega rally white screens after first race, sound issues. Mid February core ran best for me, sound was still a problem but it didn’t crash.

[light pine]

3/7 unstable has been the best for me so far. fixed a lot of audio issues. 2.9 ramstick/stable mister

about to test today's drop

[rotund steeple]

DV1 support for the Tink 4K seems to work fine.

[light pine]

does anyone have their goto test games for the core?

[pearl harbor]

I used to, but most of them have been fixed now. The two that I continue to test are X-Men vs Street Fighter (since it always crashes shortly after starting a match), and now also Ogre Battle, since it has a clear bug when viewing the map in 3D mode with the units flickering vertically up and down the map when scrolling.

[light pine]

does the saturn core support the ram cart?

[pearl harbor]

Yes

Just enable it in the core's OSD menu.

[light pine]

i feel like panzer/sega rally/vf2 work pretty good. not perfect. those are my goto games

[pearl harbor]

I think it just doesn't support some of the SNK specific ram carts.

[light pine]

i have alpha3 i can run

zero3 loaded. never actually played this version. many hours tanked into psx/arcade versions

[pearl harbor]

The Saturn version of Zero 3 is fantastic. Arguably the best version of the game on any platform due to its unique modes and expanded roster.

The arcade version is obviously excellent, but the Saturn version has so much more to offer, and is very comparable on a technical level.

[light pine]

right. i enjoyed the extra modes on the psx version. also enjoyed the technical aspects of it running on that platform.

ive heard many words of praise for the psp version as well.

[dense hill]

how stable is saturn these days? ready to try playing rpgs with save points few and far between or still dangerous? haha

[pearl harbor]

Outside of the issues with today's build of the core, it's in a pretty darn good state for most games.

[thorn pagoda]

crashes are getting quite rare

[pearl harbor]

I think most RPGs can be played pretty safely. Just avoid the 3D RPGs like Shining Force III, since gouraud shading hasn't been implemented yet, which makes the characters not look correct yet.

[thorn pagoda]

audio/video issues quite common tho

[inner token]

did analog video break? tested with a rgb converter, and looks like sync is messed up

[dense hill]

haha interesting because shining force III was the exact thing I tried to play a few months ago and crashed which made me stop trying the saturn core, I didn't realise it was shading

oh actually are you saying that it is playable now but it will just look weird?

[warped saddle]

I think srg updated sys, which has changes for new i/o boards. I wonder if that is messing something up.

[open swan]

The framework changes are gonna need some testing for sure

[drifting frigate]

Same for me.

[open swan]

@kind stump have you tested anything out yet that has the updated framework?

Wondering how it might impact composite video too

[warped saddle]

it needs testing on various i/o boards too, not just the new one

[pearl harbor]

Yes, it doesn't crash anymore and the audio is fixed. The only issue left in Shining Force III that I still encounter is the lack of proper shading on the 3D characters during battle animations.

[dense hill]

oh amazing

might give it a spin then

anyone ever played it through?

[inner token]

any other core get that updated sys yet? didn't look like it to me when I checked the repo.

well besides template

[thorn pagoda]

can you just drop a new sys into any core and compile it yourself or does it need hooking up?

was wondering if i could do my own DV1 builds

[pearl harbor]

I've personally only tested the first few battles, but all the crashing that used to occur is resolved at least up to that point on my end. It used to crash consistently every time you cast a healing spell, and would also frequently crash randomly during any other attack animations. But now those issues have been resolved. The glaring audio bugs were also recently fixed in the game too. Huge updates over the last month!

[kind stump]

Yeah.. I've ordered the new boards but won't have it for a while.. the ad chip I had to source from China

But I've not tested the new framework yet

Would have been nice to collaborate a bit before dropping a big change that might break everything

[bleak escarp]

Not 100% but this build fixed some of the slowdown in Fighters Megamix

[kind stump]

I have no idea if anything is broken as well, it might all be fine

[warped saddle]

letting it sit in the template core and letting nerds self-build cores to test is sorg's form of collab, lol.

[thorn pagoda]

i'm trying it on psx now 😄

i think robert told me you can do this usually if nothing too major is new in sys

[abstract fractal]

Hello.I'm new to the Mister so much to learn, i have a question. When i use on old saturn core i get picture on my vga/crt. But when i try the new unstable cores the resolution is to high. Is there anywat i can adjust that before lunching the core?

anyway*

[open swan]

testing in production is a lot cooler tho

it's like wearing a leather jacket

not sure where i'm going with that analogy, it's just cool

[open swan]

the recent framework changes might need adjusting.

[warped saddle]

can't rule out the saturn core itself being broken either

[thorn pagoda]

tbf it isn't released

[open swan]

i'll pop out a build that is most recent but just before the sys was updated for you to test

[open swan]

yeah but to also be fair, everyone is used to using the unstable builds because the last release is from over 5 months ago

[warped saddle]

literally 2 days after I finally cleaned the desk etc I gotta break out the analog+tink for this

oh well, more cables

[open swan]

i haven't compiled the saturn core on my fancy new cpu, will be a nice test

[thorn pagoda]

thanks for having a look at this guys

and yeah saturn deserves a new stable release hopefully soon 🙂

[open swan]

well i'm not looking at it, i'm just ruling out the framework hehe

mikes and zakk do all the work

i'm just the dumb guy rooting for them in the corner

[thorn pagoda]

i've got enough thanks to go around 😉

[open swan]

haha

[abstract fractal]

Not sure what you mean with this?

[thorn pagoda]

some really fundemental bits of mister got altered recently to allow for the new 24bit video output boards, this might be because of that

[open swan]

the latest build might be buggy, it's being looked into

[kind stump]

I didn't see an option for "new board" in the ini file? But I really didn't look into it yet

[abstract fractal]

oke i will try the 04-03 version then

[kind stump]

I'm sure you need the latest main as well

If you want to try today's build

[inner token]

I built template, it works better. doesn't seem to have the sync problem and I can at least see the osd. the static looks a little darker though.

[warped saddle]

new saturn didn't break for me, but I'm also going through a tink5x, so it could be masking some problematic sync stuff

[open swan]

the template changes don't require anything from main

it's got a detection scheme i think

[kind stump]

Oh

Saturn core is running at 16.77khz

lol

[open swan]

he used the secondary sd card io pins instead in the new design to fill out the rgb

[kind stump]

Saturn is running at 63.7Hz, 16.77khz

[open swan]

hrm, is that not normal?

sorry, i don't know the right numbers off the top of my head

[kind stump]

its off by a lot

15.734 @ 59.8hz is standard

[inner token]

but mike does 🙂

[open swan]

standard for the sega saturn? just making sure since he did make changes to the vdp ram access

[kind stump]

sync is probably way out as well because of that

[warped saddle]

is this some side effect of what people were saying earlier, that the region detect is broken?

[abstract fractal]

The older version 04-03 does work on my vga/crt so i learned something. When newest does not work try a bit older version.

[warped saddle]

yeah, if I load a game like Shienryuu with region forced to Japan it goes back to a reasonable output

15.73/59.83

[inner token]

hmm but if you can't see the osd?

[open swan]

so yeah probably just a region issue. what kind of region detection issue would cause that to go that outta whack, weird

[warped saddle]

I agree it is an issue, since you can't see the osd

[open swan]

this technically will happen in any core with region detect if you load a PAL game and you dont' have a PAL crt

[warped saddle]

but I can, so issue flagged CAN'T REPLICATE

[inner token]

user error

[open swan]

it already happens on plenty of cores because analog video just be like that

[warped saddle]

the issue is really that the bios screen is the one running wrong, so good luck doing anything on core launch

[open swan]

but it's possible there is an issue to fix there if it's just wildly going out of spec

so it's only the bios out of spec? might be an easy fix

[warped saddle]

it's the core's autodetect I think

[kind stump]

Yeah flipping the regions around fixes it

[warped saddle]

it sorta of fixes itself if you cycle the region too

[open swan]

that's status[35:33] for the region

[warped saddle]

it's a bug/regression in the latest changes

[open swan]

                                    status[35:33] == 3'd1 ? 4'h2 :    //Asia NTSC area
                                    status[35:33] == 3'd2 ? 4'h4 :    //North America area
                                    status[35:33] == 3'd3 ? 4'h5 :    //Central/S. America NTSC area
                                    status[35:33] == 3'd4 ? 4'h6 :    //Korea area
                                    status[35:33] == 3'd5 ? 4'hA :    //Asia PAL area
                                    status[35:33] == 3'd6 ? 4'hC :    //Europe PAL area
                                                                    cd_area_code;    //Auto```

[warped saddle]

someone already reported it so it'll get sorted out

but most importantly it's not the sys changes

[open swan]

doesn't make sense for it to go out of spec, nothing in there looks like it would do that

if (dotsel2 != dotsel || pald2 != pald) state <= 1;

i think i'm getting dejavu, i was looking at how the region select affected timings with MikeS months ago lol

that's the fastest clock reconfig, that's maybe what you are seeing

that math on pll recfg is annoying, not in the mood to look any further lol

more importantly, hold slack is negative which usually would be an issue, but it's only -0.044 so probably not an issue

@kind stump

here ya go, without framework updates but has everything else updated

[kind stump]

video timing gets fixed when you flip through the regions

[inner token]

if anyone wants to try the template

[open swan]

if you wanna compare and contrast anything

22:31 is how long it took to compile on my i7-13700k, not too bad i guess

[inner token]

that one works here

[open swan]

interesting... gonna try something

this one should build a lot faster, it will make it not use that little section that was added in the template update

among other things

it will be a vga only build though, so i'll rely on one of you to try it out, it will have all the framework changes except for things that disabling hdmi would leave out

[open swan]

@kind stump @inner token here's one with HDMI disabled to disable the logic in the lines mentioned just above. (only took 17 minutes to compile)

does this work correctly, aka not go into crazy land with the auto region select during bios?

[kind stump]

Timing is waaaay out

I cant see anything

[inner token]

nope. looked like the regular broken build to me. with the added bonus of no hdmi 😄

[kind stump]

Yep haha

[simple hound]

the last couple build have been progressively worse for me - early mid feb has been the best for my SRAM 2.5 with IO out over component

[open swan]

hrm, weird, looks like some of the specifics on vga out in the template need to be figured out still then

[kind stump]

Why? The template blue created was fine

[open swan]

the template core doesn't have a pll recfg

i'll test with a different core for ya...

[peak bear]

Albert Odyssey has been very reliable. I'm almost at the end of the game with one or two freezes, and the only times it froze were the first battle after loading a save, so I didn't lose any progress.

[simple hound]

has anyone seen a maked improvment after switching from 2.5 ram to 3.0? II ask because I want to know if its worth the upgrade

[analog totem]

yes multiple many people have seen improvements with the core after upgrading from 2.5 to 2.9/3.0 ram

myself included. I remember having a freezing issue with a game that was fixed as soon as I switched to 2.9 ram…granted that was on a much earlier build of the core

@simple hound that said, there are people that run 2.5 ram without issue, so unless you’re having issues with games that others using 2.9/3.0 aren’t having, you don’t necessarily need to upgrade

[empty viper]

Trying the latest build, sound got worse for Mass Destruction.

Previous build just had clipping with explosions, now current build it has distorted the CD audio and sounds are very off.

[rotund steeple]

Have you read this?

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/152

Yesterdays core starts in 63.7Hz. Thats why everythings off.

It's a region switch issue

Just switch to Europe, then back to US/Japan or Auto

[mortal mist]

Yes , I suggest you wait a bit with testing , probably soon udpate will appear and it will be fixed.

[empty viper]

Yeah rolled back.

[rotund steeple]

DV1 is great though with the new version. Finally no more extra configs on the Retrotink 4K. Sweet!

[severe whale]

please recomend some hidden gems 🙂

[abstract fractal]

Saturn has so many what do you like?

[severe whale]

i like anything

[mortal mist]

https://vsrecommendedgames.miraheze.org/wiki/Saturn

[severe whale]

thanks

just what i needed

was there an english patch released for Magic School Lunar?

there are so many cool japanese games which still doesnt have a fan translation

Nanatsu Kaze no Shima Monogatari for instance

[wise brook]

https://twitter.com/DerekPascarella/status/1767966885776163009?t=3gRUOjS7UqzeEwSCopG0KA&s=19

Derek Pascarella (ateam) (@DerekPascarella) on X

(1/5) The SEGA Saturn is my other favorite console of all time, so it's due time I dipped my toes into its waters. While this is no major accomplishment, I'm proud to present our English translation patch for "Rabbit"!

DOWNLOAD PATCH:
https://t.co/OafmBBNmaU

Twitter · Mar 13, 2024, 5:32 PM

we are utterly spoiled

Derek is a top tier hacker and to have him now on saturn games is a blessing

[green swift]

Maybe the coveted Princess Crown translation will come to fruition some day. 🤞

[rigid obsidian]

Certainly would be nice!

[severe whale]

if you play games on several discs, should all bin files be in the same folder or can they be in deferent folders?

going to give panzer dragoon saga a go and see if its as good as the hype

[mortal mist]

must be in the same folder. Save will then be visible for all discs

[severe whale]

thanks

another question. in that above guide regarding castlevania it says "Save to external RAM cart to avoid slowdown"

what would the setting in the saturn core for that be?

[mortal mist]

no support for external ram cart

only internal memory is supported for now

[severe whale]

so the patched castlevania x wich makes use of the ram cartridge isnt working properly atm?

[mortal mist]

there is extra memory 1/4mb and it works , but there is no record of game states

and Castlevenia with the patch uses this memory

I thought , it was about the save you want to record n the external memory.

if I have confused the two then I apologize

[severe whale]

i was confused what they meant with "Save to external RAM cart to avoid slowdown"

the patched castlevania for saturn is a mess

so either you can play the superior version with support for 4M ram and lots of other improvements, but this version isnt fully translated to english

or you can play one that is fully in english but its based on the PSP script

:/

[thorn pagoda]

i'm always a bit surprised no-one ever combined the two

[mortal mist]

yeah

i don;t like psp version

[minor cipher]

if you're interested, there's an excellent walkthrough for non-JP speakers on gamefaqs https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/saturn/577774-nanatsu-kaze-no-shima-monogatari/faqs/80465

can play through the entire game with it

[wise brook]

why not learn Japanese?

get nihongo jouzu?

[mortal mist]

maybe in the next life 🙂

[severe whale]

Thanks! That’s my most wished Saturn game to be English patched

Steam Hearts on Saturn

lol

This game is weird

Furries before it became a trend??

[gloomy hedge]

let me check the saturn core... oh cool great porn

[gloomy hedge]

whoa Rabbit is great! this is awesome!!!

this is one of the first games that worked well on my mister on this core, and is so fun

[wise brook]

normally I post in #games-and-patches , but no one notices so here seemed to be the best place for letting y'all know

[gloomy hedge]

I didnt know that channel existed, I have everything muted except saturn and n64 dev and builds lmao

but also I just google stuff usually, im not fully up to date on everything so its no big deal but its always nice to have english patch news

cuz thats big amounts of cool

and not very frequent

[gloomy hedge]

game tengoku runs so perfectly on 3-7 core 🙂 enjoying it

[pearl harbor]

You should try the Turbografx-16 version. Way more graphic!

[severe whale]

Lol! Gotta check it out

[tough star]

time to switch gears to the SEGA core now that N64 development has ended

[mortal mist]

Saturn forever in our hearts

[wise brook]

and because of the hard work of srg320, forever in our game centers

[serene thunder]

The ears 🤢

[sudden tusk]

Forever in the game centers of our Hearts !

[gloomy hedge]

saturn model 1 forever in ... the back, behind model 2! HA! jk

model 1s need love too

but that boomerang tho

oof

[drowsy hull]

every console with optical media should have a media access led.

[gloomy hedge]

f yeah

I like how the fenrir also kinda has a light as well

sorta doubleing as that

[naive whale]

I dunno if anyone has marked it but I just completed Rabbit on current core so thats def beatable and credits will scroll

english translation version that is

[indigo lotus]

Latest build completely unusable for me, CRT just flickers like mad

Using direct video

[mortal mist]

yes, new test core is broken

[warped saddle]

if you can blindly cycle through the region select you can 'fix' it. 4 down, mash the 'ok' button

[mortal mist]

Logic utilization (in ALMs) : 40,946 / 41,910 ( 98 % )

tight 😛

[severe whale]

Have you guys tried Jung Rhythm?

A shameless parappa ripoff

But it’s impossible to play it

[mortal mist]

Difficulty

Jung Rhythm is very hard, unlike PaRappa the Rapper, freestyling is much harder, if you freestyle terribly you will lose a lot of health, doing it right can save you if you mess up though, doing it if you have already messed up bad can make you lose a lot of health as well, the game may look easy but isn't forgiving for small mistakes usually, but it seems to depend on what level your in, like in Level 2, the game wil barely forgive mistakes, in PaRappa the Rapper, if you do well, you will go cool mode, if you do well in this game, nothing happens, instead during songs there is an Adlib Time, where you can mash buttons and go nuts, during Adlib Time, the opponent will have pig icons every half a second on their side, but they will still sing their own lines, if you mash C Up and Down fast enough during Adlib Time the player will do a whole backflip and the screen will flash. If you quit the game, you can resume from any level you want by hitting load at the main menu.

😄

[severe whale]

Glad I am not the only one

This game is freaking nuts

You are being judged after each round and I think ive played the first level 20 times but the judge still disqualify me

It’s extreamly difficult to tell which rhythm it wants you to tap the buttons

[mortal mist]

Logic utilization (in ALMs) : 41,236 / 41,910 ( 98 % )
Total registers : 43529
Total pins : 145 / 314 ( 46 % )
Total virtual pins : 0
Total block memory bits : 4,159,248 / 5,662,720 ( 73 % )
Total RAM Blocks : 550 / 553 ( 99 % )
Total DSP Blocks : 67 / 112 ( 60 % )

single sdram core version

[dim tulip]

As I’m kinda an idiot when it comes to interpreting that information, does that mean that the core is kinda at its breaking point/limit? Ive been kinda passively observing until the core reaches a more complete state before trying it out

[severe whale]

There’s something weird with the character sprites

In that rabbit game

It’s like they are cropped from another source

They look awful compared to the backgrounds

I would like to see if they look like that in the arcade version but I can’t find any footage of it

[naive whale]

They just kinda look odd in general

It’s like they drew them then scaled them from the origin resolution and it gets messy

[severe whale]

I’m not the only one noticing this appearantly

[faint flicker]

Cool Wiki but who is /v/?

[mental kernel]

A collection of users from the videogame board on 4chan

[untold spear]

there is a newer recent one that does both

[serene thunder]

Yeah I noticed it right away
I think they drew the characters and then scaled them larger for the default view
So they always look rather chunky

[ancient surge]

The sprites look normal when the camera is zoomed out, so it's definitely a mistake with how the sprites are scaled.

[gloomy hedge]

good to know...

[severe whale]

Very odd. Surely they must have noticed it during development

[neon fern]

Has anyone run Virtual On with Twin Sticks yet? Like can 2 player VO be had? Seeing the prices on them and very tempted rn

[naive whale]

@gloomy hedge and @burnt matrix have twin sticks. Maybe they’d know

[burnt matrix]

Yeah it works

[gloomy hedge]

Virtual on doesn't run on my cursed mister @naive whale

But once the core works enough for it to run I'll def test it with the Hori twin stick EX as I have no SNAC

[neon fern]

Wonderful! Thanks for the info!

[burnt matrix]

With SNAX of course

[pearl harbor]

The twin stick controllers can also be surprisingly well replicated with a dual analog controller like a PS4 or PS5 controller since the twin stick controller just remaps a normal Saturn controller's buttons to it.

[gloomy hedge]

True but remember the twin sticks are digital so you're getting a bit of analog to digital ... Noise

[pearl harbor]

I know, but it's a nice way to play the games that support them if you don't have the twin stick controller.

[severe whale]

nice with the PS5 controller

going to try it out on bulk slash

[wise brook]

woke up extra early to be a hater today.

this set me off

[mortal mist]

I didn't hear any errors in the sound , but I may already be deaf 😛

The last core after startup runs too fast , maybe this causes some distortion.

[tall radish]

Just a question out of curiosity: There where so many unstable updates, is there a reason why there was no public release since the first one?

[mortal mist]

this is decided by the core author, probably wants to fix as many bugs as possible. As you probably noticed , many test cores introduce some new bugs. It is necessary to catch them and fix the regressions.

Many bugs related to graphics and sound have already been fixed.

There is a problem still with the gouraud shading.

maybe after that , who knows 🙂

[warped saddle]

and the appearance of the code in the main mister repo may have been motivated by external events

[mortal mist]

yes, different things could have happened

[warped saddle]

and the two releases in the repo were done by sorg, I think. the commits are from him

[mortal mist]

correct

[severe whale]

where can you clearly see the issue with goroud shading? any example of games

[mortal mist]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/61

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/96

[severe whale]

thanks!

no wonder i havent encountered it. none of the games are the ones ive played on the core

[rich violet]

In sega rally at the car selection screen, there's a weird edge that passes across the car at particular angles. I'm not sure if that's gouraud shading or something else

[random shard]

I imagine that the only way to get the saturn dual ram core is through the test builds, right ?

The update_all script won't download it?

[mortal mist]

https://vampier.net/Saturn/

[random shard]

Well that does answer my question, thank you good sir

[burnt matrix]

Only those with love for in their hearts can enjoy the wonders of the Saturn core.

[random shard]

Acquired love for me. It was hard to get anything sega back in the day in my country

My neighbor brazil though, made sega a cult

[rigid obsidian]

It was the weird console I only saw at Target growing up, I had the windows port of Bug! though.

[burnt matrix]

[random shard]

Plus the translation scene is really making it worth our while

[rigid obsidian]

Really great library of srpgs for me to enjoy. :)

[random shard]

When princess crown and nanatsu kaze's translations come out, I will be ecstatic

[rigid obsidian]

I'd love to replay Tengai Makyou The Apocalypse IV when it gets a translation.

[severe whale]

From your mouth to gods ears

🙏🏼

[hallow fossil]

Has anyone tried these three unlicensed discs on the core? I couldn't see them on the spreadsheet

https://www.satakore.com/sega-saturn-complete-unlicensed-game,,1,,0,,1.html

[random shard]

omygod yes. may the lord hear you

[hallow fossil]

Hmm, these three Lost and Found discs aren't in the redump and can't seem to find them, anyone know if these have been dumped?

Looks like they are

http://wiki.redump.org/index.php?title=Sega_Saturn_USA_and_Brazil_Missing_Games_List

Surprised there's still Saturn still out there to be dumped

[ancient surge]

SEGA Saturn for many years had low demand from the community, due to how unpopular the system was in many countries.

Like, it really says a lot that it took decades later to make people interested in SEGA Saturn prototypes, patches, emulation, etc.

[wise brook]

very interesting. I don't know if I've ever experienced a hang on reset

[wise brook]

guestimating at the amount of years it will take to get the series translated, (and it will be years) I might be able to proficiently learn the language to play it before a translation happens

[tough star]

I think I had it happen once

could have been me being dumb as I wasn't paying full attention

[wise brook]

I'm happy he found a way to claw back logic elements

There's a new AI about to be launched specifically for assisting with coding. I hope it can eventually be good at finding such optimizations

[tough star]

it would be nice if it would look at my code and go - hey you dumbass why don't you do that like this?

[random shard]

I've been telling myself for the past 25 years to learn japanese, didn't happen in my 20s when I had time, not gonna happen in my 40s when I don't

[wise brook]

I didn't have time, until I made some.

nothing beats that 1st time seeing オプション on a menu screen and knowing what it says

[mortal mist]

Dualsdram is still broken

Core works now with proper speed

[wise brook]

Starting to feel like the dual Ram core is being depreciated

it used to be the primary

[mortal mist]

For me it's ok , if it is not to be supported then I will stop bothering 🙂 .

I asked on github

[gloomy hedge]

single ram works?

ive been using the 3-7 core so I will switch over if this one is stable

[mortal mist]

Yes , sure

Works ok

I will compile DS version

[sacred goblet]

What about the echo in sound?

[mortal mist]

I don't hear any echo

Previous core ran too fast caused distortion in sound

[hearty marten]

Is it worth any of those who are testers asking srg320 if he can give them permission to close issues? There’s a load of stale issues that are marked as fixed by various people, but still remain open due to the authors not responding

(It can’t just be me who’s frustrated seeing loads of issues that are resolved still being open :D)

[gloomy hedge]

can at least give it a shot

thankies

im gettin some footage for our VP of marketing @naive whale

[naive whale]

CEO of making fun of @burnt matrix

[gloomy hedge]

I guess im the Director of Shit Ram

[pearl harbor]

This is how the twin stick controller is mapped to a Saturn controller's buttons. So you can easily assign these to the buttons of your choice on a Playstation dual analog controller:

Left Stick
Stick is D pad.
Trigger = left shoulder.
Button = right shoulder.

Right Stick
Stick is Left = X / Up = Y / Right = Z / Down = B
Trigger = A
Button = C

[severe whale]

cheers i gotta try it out 🙂

[sacred goblet]

Dual version is not working for me

[mortal mist]

Yeah , it's broken

[sacred goblet]

Ok

[mortal mist]

Hmm

[wise brook]

what ya thinking?

[mortal mist]

Maybe dualsdram will no longer be supported

[sacred goblet]

Really? Is not necessary for saturn core?

[naive whale]

Seems like it

The delta between single and dual now is basically non-existent. Might not even be worth the work hours keeping dual moving forward

[wise brook]

queue insane screaming from people who spent $50 on a second ram stick while never supporting MiSTer core devs

[mortal mist]

We went from 98% to 95% when it comes to ALM

[mortal mist]

It is not necessary for a long time already

For me, it's a good decision

[ripe valley]

I've reopened an issue with Time Gal, I will need some other testers on it when possible. If we could find a pattern when and/or where it crashes.
That's all I can do for the next days.

[burnt matrix]

Dual Ram was never needed for non-dev MiSTer use. Unfortunately others outside of the community erroneously communicated it was required for a nonexistent arcade core which confused a lot of people.

[clear condor]

What'd the Jaguar do to you

[gloomy hedge]

well then what am I gonna use as a book mark

answer that, genius

[burnt matrix]

lolol

[drowsy hull]

Robby just jelly because he did not have the strength to push in that second stick

[burnt matrix]

I actually have dual ram LOL. But that's my secret shame I don't tell anyone.

[neon fern]

My unwillingness to take apart my mister sandwich pays off yet again

[hearty marten]

Who needs dual ram when you have a raspberry pi?

[burnt matrix]

I hate how y'all are better at writing my jokes then I am LOOL

[hearty marten]

I read that pi can play some GameCube games too. Can your stupid MiSTers do that? Can’t believe you all wasted money on an expensive upscaler lol. Pixels were never meant to be that clear. Just use real hardware bro

Or my favourite one recently: Saturn/N64 cores only have like 20 games completable? lol what a waste of money

[burnt matrix]

LOL that's pretty good

[hearty marten]

But back on topic - for anyone who’s tested today’s build, it reads to me like it’s fixed most(/all?) of the regressions that came in yesterday’s core. Is that accurate? I’m 1/2 builds behind (back when sound got fixed and auto region was implemented), but held off updating due to the new issues. Are we good again, or should I wait a bit longer?

[gloomy hedge]

twin sticks but not twin ram

see where your priorities are

[mortal mist]

yes, we are good now 🙂

[hearty marten]

Sweet, thanks @kuba

[mortal mist]

auto region works ok , core is at stable clock rate

works better overall

[hearty marten]

If that’s the case, then the core really is in the best state it’s ever been in. The build that I have is pretty amazing already

[gloomy hedge]

psh who needs auto region when you have MAN"UAL REGION

yeah thats awesome im gonna try today's core as well

[mortal mist]

no longer need to resest core as often

[gloomy hedge]

but not the autoregion stuff, I got that region free bios I'll just stick with that I suppose

those days of cold resets

and nice audio pops

pop pop wince

[hearty marten]

I wonder what srg320’s rationale is for not updating the main build. I would have thought that updating it, not necessarily every update, but every now and then would be likely to attract fewer issues than the old build that’s there at the moment.

[mortal mist]

#1046941029296779344 message

[hearty marten]

Although I do appreciate not junking up the repo with binaries. The MiSTer approach of putting binaries in a GitHub repo is truly awful 😄

[hearty marten]

I do get that, and hence my “not necessarily every update”, but I’d hazard a guess that today’s build has many many fewer issues than the October build

[mortal mist]

yes but core form october was not srg320 decision

[hearty marten]

I doubt sorg would have just taken his code without asking though…

[mortal mist]

I think that if not for the situation in which he found himself, core would not have appeared there at all in October

in fact, nothing more may have been created

[hearty marten]

Yeah, that’s probably fair

[mortal mist]

I see that he took the path of getting rid of as many bugs as possible

[hearty marten]

At the end of the day, copying over a build from discord isn’t a big deal. I just figured since the floodgates had been opened to creating issues anyway, there’s probably no harm in updating the official build every now and then

[burnt matrix]

There’s got to be a handful of people out there completely oblivious to all the updates and when the updated Saturn core gets added to main their minds will be blown

[hearty marten]

Definitely 😄

Ditto the N64 core

[gloomy hedge]

Cotton Boomerang - No Sound

is that correct?

do I need the UNSTABLE mister for sound?

oh it crashed in the game anyways

same behavior as before, so no change on my cursed mister, nevermind, sound is the least of my concerns

[hearty marten]

Didn’t a recent unstable main fix lots of sound issues anyway? I moved over to unstable because it pulled in a lot of important things for both N64 (cheats) and Saturn (sound, region, chd stuff, iirc?)

[gloomy hedge]

Cotton 2 sound broken on my mister, just hangs

I guess I have to grab the unstable

my hand is forced lol

lets see if it fixes cursed mister or not

OH GOD

[hearty marten]

For what it’s worth, I avoided unstable for ages, but it’s completely fine. plus I have a backup of my old version, so no big deal 😄

[gloomy hedge]

I'll do it just for the test and then switch it back tbh

I dont want to deal with untested shit for my other games

[mortal mist]

I keep saying it ehhh it's fine , it's fine....

[gloomy hedge]

watch it wont work anyways

it'll hang at the same spot, thats what I think

so lets put it to the test

[hearty marten]

That’s fair, but from what I’ve seen, all the recent changes were generally localised to Saturn/n64 specific files

So I can’t see it really having any effect outside of those cores

I am a little worried about this new IO board breaking things for many of us though…

[gloomy hedge]

does a cold reboot work?

after going unstable

[naive whale]

I run penta ram. If you configure it into a pentagram shape you can run Doom 2016 in FPGA. Only problem is that game sucks. Whoever worked on it…real NERD

[hearty marten]

Do you mean to “activate” it? If so, no idea - I did a hard reboot, i.e. power off and on again

[gloomy hedge]

maybe I should do that

k here goes nothing

cursed mister test #1241241341343145356425234145345735453r76452341234`124

[hearty marten]

Good luck buddy, we gotcha if anything happens!

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/operation-teapot-nuke-nuclear-explosion-nuclear-test-nuclear-footage-gif-15618232923822161090

[gloomy hedge]

I wish

thats the bEST case

the worst case is cotton 2 hanging again

[mortal mist]

works fine here, music etc.

[naive whale]

@burnt matrix after too much BBQ and Alamo

[hearty marten]

@naive whale when Robert announces 3DO as his next project

[gloomy hedge]

no sound at all for cotton 2 on my end

[trim nimbus]

you mean 3DO M2

[gloomy hedge]

regression

mister unstable 3/13 + 3/15 core

so it did do something

but nothing good

[hearty marten]

Sorry, I can’t tell the difference between all the versions of those failed consoles. Everyone knows that Virtual Boy is the most important anyway

[trim nimbus]

just think of it like a movie title

3DO M2: Fail harder

[gloomy hedge]

rebooted and same thing happened

sound for 2 seconds and then crash

[hearty marten]

At least you got sound! That’s an improvement

For some definition of improvement

[gloomy hedge]

based

now I will subject everyone's ears to this

[hearty marten]

Did you happen to get one of those refurbished DE10s that were going cheap?

I mean if you really suspect your DE10 is having issues

[gloomy hedge]

I got one from misteraddons brand new

enjoy (in case you didnt read above, VOLUME WARNING)

[hearty marten]

Music to my ears ❤️

BUZZZZZZZ

[trim nimbus]

Cotton 2: House remix

[gloomy hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/teclista-loco-keyboard-intense-gif-13321113

I'll just go back to games that work

if they still do

so yeah unstable mister binary had ZERO effect on my rig

it basically acts the EXACT same as stable binary or whatever

fwiw

[mortal mist]

but de10 didn't explode

[gloomy hedge]

I wish it did

that would be a more reasonable outcome

than this inconsistent crap

[mortal mist]

well , any other core works ok , I guess you can get some joy out of it ?

it's hard for me to say what's wrong , but strange that the core behaves like this with 3.0

[gloomy hedge]

someone call me when the core is done so I can do a real test 😛

then you'll have your bookends

[mortal mist]

I'll check with 2.4 soon

[gloomy hedge]

of how bad the core can perform vs everyone elses

I have a 2.5 stick (that my mister came with) but I dont really want to keep unscrewing shit and putting shit in and out

[thorn pagoda]

i got the impression he only published the core in october because that was just before he went to move out of the russian occupied area and he wasn't sure he'd make it :/

oops was scrolled up - total speculation on my part btw

[gloomy hedge]

lol how dare you

smart, vintage 3-7 was a solid yield, good grapes, not as many storms, great soil

[hearty marten]

That was my fear as well. Hope that’s not the case, but very sad if that thought ever happened to cross his mind

[thorn pagoda]

indeed

[ancient surge]

The dual RAM not being necessary is making me lowkey huff on copium, because it feels like I wasted money on a second RAM module.

On the bright side, it's a good sign that the SEGA Saturn core is becoming optimized to the point that a dual RAM setup is no longer needed.

[misty raven]

I think someone might turn their attention to Jaguar after either psx or Saturn are done but yeah it might be a year or two before that becomes a reality

[burnt matrix]

dude it's true lmao

[mortal mist]

no dualsdram then no MiSTer

https://tenor.com/view/time-say-goodbye-sad-gif-21159787

[thorn pagoda]

i think a lot of people bought dualram setups just incase, you're not alone

[mortal mist]

no we are doomed

🙂

[thorn pagoda]

just periodically fire up the psx core and convince yourself you can hear the difference, it's fine

[mortal mist]

I have been using dualsdram for years for testing (if needed) , but I have two other misters with single sdram 🙂 this is all jokes of course

I couldn't miss the first race in Ridge Racer

at the moment, I see no real use for dualsdram

maybe we should stop compiling dualsdram core for Saturn , since the versions that are coming out don't work properly anyway ?

[sacred goblet]

Even for PlayStation core? I've read that for sound was better to have dual ram.

[mortal mist]

you can't hear that

belive me 🙂

[ancient surge]

Like it's technically more accurate, but in practice you won't notice a difference.

[mortal mist]

from Robert: "dual ram will yield slightly(~5%) higher GPU speed, due to audio not needing the DDR3. In fact, as the cores GPU is already significantly faster than a real PSX, dual SDRAM might even make the rendering speed less accurate. But most likely it's just in an area that is not noticeable. There is an option that will reduce the GPU speed by about 50% to make it more "accurate", but as you can guess with random shared DDR3 latency, this is not a guarantee."

[sacred goblet]

Interesting

[mortal mist]

but I was referring more to the saturn dualsdram core that appears in unstable nightlies

doesn't work , it may cause slight surprise to people

ehh damn

we are back to the game

Dualsdram master race

https://tenor.com/view/hehe-smirk-trouble-gif-24851428

ok still not working 😄

[random shard]

well thats a dissapointment

[wise brook]

nah, it's no longer needed

we can all move on

[mortal mist]

yeah

[wet hull]

He removed the dualsdram code. He needs to re add it

[rotund steeple]

What about cheats? An Action Replay rom isn't supported yet as it seems. Any plans discussed for the core?

[wise brook]

sell any 2nd ram sticks to the 2.5 peasants

[wet hull]

It’s too early for cheats

[rotund steeple]

There isn't enough space left in the core as it seems.

[wise brook]

just think how far this core discussion has come.
6 months ago it was an endless stream of normies asking what to name the bios.
now it's about the actual finish line

[random shard]

If he removed the dual ram code then who is posting dual ram test cores on the unstable nightlies channel ?

[wise brook]

who said he did that?

[random shard]

Toya did

[mortal mist]

well he certainly didn't add it 😛

because it doesn't work

[random shard]

So the one from today and earlier ones don't work either, kuba?

[wise brook]

I figured it was some of his reworks hadn't migrated across

causing a conflict between new and old code

[mortal mist]

none works

[random shard]

Both single and dualram builds have a fix for dualsram??? This is confusing

[mortal mist]

it's the part of the code

[random shard]

When did it stop working ?

[mortal mist]

this core should not appear in unstable in truth

[wise brook]

2 days ago

[mortal mist]

after new sys added

[random shard]

Oh so then I can use an older version for dualsram

[mortal mist]

yes , sure

[wise brook]

yes, if you want a worse core

[random shard]

Now you're talking

[mortal mist]

we just wondered if srg320 had given up dualsdram

[wise brook]

"given up" he says!
"freed us from" I says!

[mortal mist]

😄

[wise brook]

lead us not into dual-ram
but deliver us to dual output

[rotund steeple]

I need my OLED vs CRT side-by-side comparisons anyway. SO, no~~ soup~~ dual ram for me.

[mortal mist]

dualsdram + direct video + crt 🙂

works too

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

[rotund steeple]

There is no actual use case where i would need it anyway.

[tawny forge]

My friends RAM issues are all solved

Finally shitty RAM fix has landed

[wise brook]

more saturn for more MiSTer users is a big W

[thorn pagoda]

oh he removed the dual ram code? makes sense to make space i guess

[tawny forge]

I think he’s put it back lol

[mortal mist]

nope

[tawny forge]

Changelog confused me

RIP dual sdram

🙏

[abstract fractal]

latest cores seems to be working good for so far the few games i have tested

[pearl harbor]

Wait, so what exactly does this second build for the day do?

[mortal mist]

nothing 🙂

[slow osprey]

Huh? I still see dual sdram builds available

[mortal mist]

currently not working

[abstract fractal]

Dual Ram also works

the second one of today

[slow osprey]

Oh ok

[mortal mist]

#unstable-nightlies message

that one ?

#unstable-nightlies message or that ?

[abstract fractal]

Unstable-Builds
BOT
— vandaag om 19:21
Latest Saturn_DualSDRAM unstable build: https://github.com/MiSTer-unstable-nightlies/Saturn_MiSTer/releases/download/unstable-builds/Saturn_DualSDRAM_unstable_20240315_17ed2a.rbf

that one

playing it now

[mortal mist]

can anyone else check? , in my case it causes MiSTer reset

[pearl harbor]

I only have single ram, so I can't check unfortunately.

[mortal mist]

are you sure you have a dualsdram mister ?

it's works for me when i switch to one ram

so the code is messed up

[abstract fractal]

I'm new to Mister just got it 2 days ago. How can i see that or how can i turn it on?

[bleak flame]

I have dual ram and it works for me. Tried Resident Evil.

[wise brook]

is unstable main the culprit?

[slow osprey]

Works for me as well. Just tested.

[random shard]

I can test later after work

[mortal mist]

thanks

core 20240307 works fine

20240315 wont work 🤷🏻‍♂️

dualsdram

[bleak flame]

The one ending in 17ed2a? That’s what I’m using.

[mortal mist]

#unstable-nightlies message

there are two

single and dual with same 17ed2a

[bleak flame]

Yep. I downloaded the dual one.

[mortal mist]

For me works when i switch to one ram

SW3

[bleak flame]

Maybe try downloading it again or check if the psx and Jaguar dual ram cores work also.

[mortal mist]

jag works, psx works

has been testing things for years

tried with 3 sdrams

[pearl harbor]

I'm single, both in ram, and in life!

[naive whale]

Good thing you guys have cheese with holes in it up there then

[pearl harbor]

It fills the hole in my heart.

[naive whale]

I more meant you filled the holes in the cheese with…but nvm

Follow the jokes damn it! 🤣

[mortal mist]

check my second mister , new sd card , dualsdram core 20140315

same thing

🤷🏻‍♂️

Tower of power

[wise brook]

MiSTer ²

[pearl harbor]

I don't see the Sega logo though!

[mortal mist]

😄

[abstract fractal]

Wat bios are you using Kuba?

could that be it?

[mortal mist]

single core works fine

bios is ok

ok I've run out of ideas

[naive whale]

You are letting the magic light out of the FPGA chip. Once that’s gone nothing works

The blue raspberry and green apple essence

[bleak flame]

You on latest official main from yesterday or the day before? That’s the main I’m on. Can’t think of anything else.

[mortal mist]

unstable main 20240313

[trim nimbus]

so, this seems like the ao486 issue? Where you just need to keep building it until the fitting algorithm generates a core that works with your de10?

I remember that being something people would do to get the 100mhz option solid

[mortal mist]

i will try compile my core

[trim nimbus]

As someone who doesn’t know what he is talking about, it is my understanding that once you pass 90% utilization that the cores can get pretty spotty from one chip to the next depending on various physical factors due to how the fitting algorithm generated the core…I’ll try to find the appropriate forum thread for ao486

https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?t=3580

looks like you’ll need to change the starting seed as well to make a local compile actually be different

[ripe valley]

"Saturn_DualSDRAM_unstable_20240315_17ed2a" (second release of today) works for me on the Dual RAM system.

[faint flicker]

Is region auto still letting them games run too fast? Maybe I'm just out of my mind

[mortal mist]

on my two Misters does not work

but ok i can live with one sdram version 🙂

[bleak flame]

You try latest official main?

[mortal mist]

yes, same issue

I have copied core 20240315 in various ways

then I copied core 20240307 again - works fine, no issues

I only have a problem with today's core

I tried with the second ram in versions 2.2 , 2.4 and 2.9

another sd card, mister main 20240313 and last official, checked on 2 misters 🙂

[stiff patrol]

Have you tried turning the internet on and off again#

[mortal mist]

i can try 🙂

[stiff patrol]

Carrier has lost signal .....

[mortal mist]

I'm leaving this topic , I don't think it's worth wasting any more time.

[random shard]

is that a "The IT Crowd" reference?

[serene thunder]

I always called it "jiggling the handle"
Reboot electronics as a first step when troubleshooting

[tawny pendant]

My normal report that Sega Rally still has messed up audio and freeze in Sega Rally. On a positive note... I beat my level 1 record!!!

multisystem btw

[zealous karma]

I wonder what spec is in the Mister Multi System? I seem to have the same audio/freezing issues as 2.4/2.5 Ram users. But the MMS came out not that long ago. So annoying

[thorn pagoda]

anyone finished resident evil yet?

[mortal mist]

yes

[thorn pagoda]

awesome

the bug with the computers fixed?