Sega Saturn

[gloomy hedge]

cold reboot take 2

immediate crash

[hearty carbon]

lol, the netlink

I had one of those

[gloomy hedge]

cotton 2 stage 1 crash after redownloading and "recopying"

starting to simply hate this core lol

3.0 ram dont mean shit on my setup for whatever reason

[hearty carbon]

it's still a work in progress. It's amazing that it works as well as it does.

[gloomy hedge]

oh I agree

but what im tired of is this " ram " black hole

it feels snake oily

like I simply dont understand how behavior can differ SO much

[hearty carbon]

you're sore that you bought ram and it didn't solve all the problems?

[gloomy hedge]

negative

I got the ram as a gift

I would say - if a person is reading this and considering buying the ram, dont do it for now

it IS better with this ram

I'm just sore it isnt better for the games that everyone seems to be going through and enjoying and I cant

the ones I really want to play on saturn hahahaha

[hearty carbon]

If I buy ram, it will be because someone definitively hits a wall where you absolutely can't play a core without it

[gloomy hedge]

btw do you guys do boot.rom or boot.bin?

just curious

[hearty carbon]

Right now, I'm just on the sideline hoping a rally car doesn't kill me while I spectate

[gloomy hedge]

it just makes me feel like my mister is busted or somethin

even tho it isnt

thats the feeling thats hard to shake

like howcome my setup is ass

thats all

[ancient surge]

Are you manually downloading the core?

[gloomy hedge]

yep

oh well!'

fuck it, waiting for a new build as always

it'll get better and better

[untold spear]

latest mister main, latest unstable saturn core? how were you transferring the files? weird on the last questions... but i used filezilla to transfer some psx games and they all behaved screwed up on the psx core. deleted and used winscp and they worked fine

wonder if some core settings could have been changed as well

[tawny forge]

Time to get another DE10-Nano for your tests 🙃

[gloomy hedge]

I transfered directly to sd card this time

[gloomy hedge]

never lol

[untold spear]

chd or raw

[gloomy hedge]

always raw

I love how I have to answer these questions over and over again but I do appreciate the problem solving

[ancient surge]

Like I don't trust the automated stuff for that reason. Just stick to manually downloading and moving around files. It's slower, but you don't have to deal with shit like the Filezilla jank.

[gloomy hedge]

I need like a copy paste of all the things ive already done

I've never once used filezilla I dont even know what that is

[untold spear]

i looked up, didnt see them recent. didnt wanna search. reading disc doing something else

[gloomy hedge]

oh its not you responsibility to search everything

[untold spear]

sucks though.

[gloomy hedge]

nah its fine

core is just unfinished period

shits random

I just thought maybe 3.0 ram would be a big boost and it was a lil baby boost

from 2.5

I'll take the baby boost and move on

[untold spear]

single ram i take it

[gloomy hedge]

yep

[untold spear]

only thing i can think of off the top of my head left is sd card speed but who knows

[gloomy hedge]

tested that

so it aint it

[untold spear]

whole new sd card?

[gloomy hedge]

I dont know what that question means

[untold spear]

tried a dif sd card all together

[gloomy hedge]

oh

no I didnt but Im not doing all that

[untold spear]

i see

[gloomy hedge]

it works for everyting else and speed tests came back positive there's no reason for it not to work

its a sandisk from sandisk

[untold spear]

👍

[gloomy hedge]

saturn core is just a speical child

maybe its my actual de10

who fuckin knows

[tough star]

🤤

[hearty carbon]

The Saturn itself was a special child.

[gloomy hedge]

indeed haha

on brand

[wooden dew]

One of the unspoken differences in setups is people using CIFS vs microsd. That can make a huge difference. CIFS has a much higher read speed.

[hearty carbon]

For me, firing up Dragon Force and getting that hit of ultranostalgia was awesome. I'm so happy people want to play Saturn on the MiSTer and are working on this

Especially given the real world.

[sharp violet]

I saw a thumbnail from VGE about the Saturn Core receiving a big update. I suppose I'll come in here and keep up to date on things

[analog totem]

@gloomy hedge I take it this is a game that typically works for others? I’ll have to give it a shot on mine and see what happens..

[gloomy hedge]

Sega Rally worked once for me but every other time it is sound cutouts and white screen after stage 1

Cotton 2 crashes in stage 1 ( at random times )

Burning rangers intro crashes but this was something that the new build supposedly fixed but not sure

feel free to have a look, but dont bend over backwards

[gloomy hedge]

I dont know what CIFS is

but I do not know why you would need a read speed of more than 92mb/s for a saturn game

that should not be an issue

logically speaking with no knowledge of anything because I am just a gamer

I just wanna game yo

[wooden dew]

CIFS = NAS/network share

[gloomy hedge]

92mb/s is insanely fast to get things in and out of ram

[gloomy hedge]

oh ew, sounds awful

im not doin anything with no network shit

I want games on my little card

there should be no feasible reason a microsd card with that kind of speed cant get things in and out of ram in a reasonable pace

especially given a real saturn is doing it ultra fuckin slow with that cdrom drive

like I dunno

what

300 KB per S?

😛

anyways what do I know

I just wanna 1cc sega rally real quick and show these posers

[hearty marten]

Just to be a nerd - it’s not always the bandwidth that matters, but the latency too. I could imagine a scenario where CIFS is less than ideal.

[gloomy hedge]

this is a great point tbh

[hearty marten]

In an ideal world, the DE10 could suck the whole image into DDR3 ram and pull from there, but I have no idea if we have enough space…

(We have 1GB, but I don’t know how the DDR3 is used in the various cores. Could we just copy the images over to ramdisk and get the HPS to pull from there? Assuming that disk data is given to the FPGA via Linux)

[untold spear]

ill test it in a few mins. worth a shot

gotta update the core anyway

[gloomy hedge]

but also what would that realistically gain you

[hearty marten]

Virtually no latency on random seeks and probably a huge amount more bandwidth

You just have to pay for the upfront copy into ram

Probably not smart if you’re ram constrained, but if we had loads spare, it could be worth it to smooth out any issues 🙂

[gloomy hedge]

I love the idea!

But also... Isn't ram the thing that's fuckin everything

Lol

[hearty marten]

I thought it was the SDRAM that was the problem

[gloomy hedge]

Oh

Good point 😜

I'm outta my depth

[hearty marten]

This is to “eliminate” any disk seek issues (not sure if they exist though). It wouldn’t have any impact on the SDRAM challenges.

I suspect it’s not necessary or possible, because one of the devs would have probably tried it by now

[untold spear]

burning rangers is screwy on the latest core. even if you get in, the fire is often just missing

i think thats known though

trying cotton 2

[tawny forge]

PEBCAK 🙃

[hearty marten]

Or there…

[analog totem]

@gloomy hedge ok, I am using the English translated version and I only tried once, but I was able to get to stage 2 in Cotton 2 without issue

did a race in Sega Rally without issue as well…I got into the training section for Burning Rangers but don’t have time to go further right now..it was working, though

that also reminded me that I actually have a physical copy of Sega Rally

[untold spear]

cotton 2 seems fine, and realizing i like the game

i'm not stopping

[burnt matrix]

ⁱ ˡⁱᵏᵉ ᵗʰᵉ ˢᵉᵍᵃ ˢᵃᵗᵘʳⁿ

[mortal mist]

I love Sega Saturn

[alpine pagoda]

does cotton 2 have music for other people? whenever I try it I only get sound effects

[untold spear]

im playing muted while working lol

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/billy-madison-adam-sandler-dont-you-say-that-dont-you-ever-say-that-gif-4705254

[hearty carbon]

As graphics got better and RPG's kept using that chibi style it super fucking irritated me as a kid 😄

[gloomy hedge]

awesome yeah its just me

I have a dud nano

[analog totem]

damn that’s so weird

time to buy another ram stick to test /s

[mortal mist]

It is hard to say what the cause is , in most cases replacing the ram with a newer one gives positive results

My ram 2.4 which I tested some time ago works well

[wise brook]

Quick reminder for yall. I had issues with the core not booting properly on my system (kept making me restate the time). Until I did a full wipe of my SD card and created a fresh MiSTer install.

if you've got a spare micro-sd it could be worth a shot

[analog totem]

oh that’s interesting

mine makes me restart the core occasionally as well

I guess, now that I think about it, it’s even happened to me on other cores (rarely)

[gloomy hedge]

lol 2 is a lot I think haha

oh I cold reboot the saturn core religiously

like just in case

[analog totem]

now the interesting part is that my micro sd card is relatively fresh, but I didn’t actually do a fresh Mr. Fusion on it, I used the sd migration tool

[gloomy hedge]

lol wild

I dont have any core boot issues or anything like that

everything runs great, its just some games dont run and they sound drops or whatever

[analog totem]

oh yeah, hence the /s 😅 I knew that you’ve already tried multiple sticks

[gloomy hedge]

yeah I'm really thankful for my friends to gift me another stick

I will continue to test

I might have a spare SD so I could do a mr. fusion on somethin like that maybe and do a quick test when I have time

[gloomy hedge]

its an amazing game actually

it has a stupid amount of depth but you want to use the cheatcode to get into the menu where you can assign the other buttons

so you dont have to do SF inputs to get basic shit

cotton boomerang doesnt even boot

anyone try that one?

[analog totem]

MiSTer is running and I’m here anyways…let’s check

booted for me i’m at least on the title screen

[gloomy hedge]

F

lol

F(or me)

[analog totem]

yeah just got through level 1 no issues

[gloomy hedge]

wtf it just booted for me

madness

o

just crashed

I am cursed

there's something weird going on

but yeah I dunno

yup and then immediate crash if I refresh

(reset)

this is the same exact behavior I have with cotton 2

[alpine pagoda]

I'm almost tempted to switch out my sd card and see if anything different happens, but since I'm running the games off usb I'm not sure it'll make any difference

[gloomy hedge]

so its consistent

and just to be clear

when I say crash

the core doesnt crash, just the game

mister hasnt crashed, just the game

[analog totem]

@alpine pagoda I run mine from an ssd

Yeah, I’m in level 2 of cotton boomerang no issues

[gloomy hedge]

neat

enjoy

its a great game

I will await core updates lol

I just got a white screen on sega rally before stage 1

but I didnt cold reboot before it

[analog totem]

damn that sucks man

I’m bummed on your behalf

[gloomy hedge]

thats new but I also didnt cold reboot

so it doesnt count

cold reboot is the only thing that counts hahaha

oh yeah no one responded to this

you guys using boot.rom or boot.bin?

[analog totem]

.rom

[gloomy hedge]

word same

[analog totem]

has to be boot.rom to autoboot afaik

I have .bin bios files for situations where I want to load a different one

[gloomy hedge]

yeah I have all the files

im just using that region free hitachi

omg if you want to vomit play sega rally in tate

[analog totem]

yeah I found a different pack so mine’s region free US

[gloomy hedge]

oh can u dm me that one actually

I HATE the hitachi logo

looks like dogshit

[analog totem]

yep

[gloomy hedge]

appreciate you

and yeah I white screened in stage 2 again

oh well I wont do any more testing, getting a bit depressing lol, but I might test with dat bios later in the day

[gloomy hedge]

tentatively @analog totem 's bios is working better for me

did 2 runs of sega rally in a row, did lose sound

but wasnt terrible

gonna cold reboot into cotton 2

[undone oyster]

@gloomy hedge just out of curiosity are you using an image from the redump set?

[gloomy hedge]

yes

tried both 2020 and 2022 redump sets

since there are two lmao

I thought they were the same tho

this bios forces me to actually physically restart my mister but so far better?

cotton 2 test incoming

[undone oyster]

That's crazy that you are having these issues but others are not

It could have been a BIOS issue by the sounds of things, I don't use a hacked region free one, I just change the region in OSD

[mint jungle]

i know it's been recorded in a github ticket but is anyone else still getting weird noises/glitch screeches in elevator action returns on the newest unstable?

i keep hearing that the staurn core has been vastly improved but a lot of the games i've previously tested still work more or less the same as it were on stable.

(not that i doubt the improvements just wondering if im doing something wrong here)

[gloomy hedge]

LOL

crashed later

I had some hope

crashed at boss

[undone oyster]

I don't think much sound issues have been worked on recently

[gloomy hedge]

I used to do that

but no one else has had issues with that so I figured shouldnt matter

but yeah crashed here

[analog totem]

@gloomy hedge guessing you will, but maybe try my copy of Cotton 2

[undone oyster]

Hmmm

[gloomy hedge]

you bet, will do later, gotta run for now

at least sega rally was stable once?

hahaha

everyone is asking me to try a fresh sd card

so I could certainly find a shitty one lying around and try that as well

[analog totem]

you might try the cd_bios.rom method I mentioned too

[gloomy hedge]

I just ... I am going ot be honest with you guys ... I have only so much patience for open ended troubleshooting cuz I only have so muich free time

happy to test games by playing them but at some point I have to fight off the depression 😛

[analog totem]

that's fair

[gloomy hedge]

but I'm gonna contniue testing!

when Ican

since there is glimmers of hope

[analog totem]

I love troubleshooting, so I will just throw out new suggestions to try as I think of them haha. Edit: I should say I love troubleshooting until I run out of ideas 😅

[undone oyster]

That is understandable, I don't have much time to play MiSTer right now either

[gloomy hedge]

I was just gettin into the cotton 2 g roove

had a nice like 30 hit bubble

had just thrown it at the boss

was about to steal his axe and his club

and then kill his ass and then carry him up into the top of screen like I always did

[undone oyster]

Lol

[gloomy hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/what-is-that-yg-why-you-always-hatin-song-look-up-there-shocked-gif-20592475

but alas

not meant to be at the moment

[rustic stream]

In the newer versions of the Saturn core, did something change? Keio Flying Squadron 2 and Castlevania SOTN both stopped working. They crash during before I am able to start the game (but the opening videos run and such). Using the latest on updateall

[frail token]

try the latest unstable quite a bit of work has been done since then

unless you ARE downloading unstable from update_all lol

[rustic stream]

Its been such a long time since I ran updateall that I'm not even sure.

[frail token]

Check https://discord.com/channels/647909397477195803/807613978154762252 for the latest and see if that helps

there are almost daily changes in the core there 🙂

keep in mind thought that the core isn't finished yet and is still WIP

[rustic stream]

Assertion Failed: FILE ..\sound/sound.c
LINE 101

Lemme see if I can find something pinned for this.

Latest unstable nightly has the assertion issue for Keio 2 and still crashes for SOTN. Oh well =(. It used to work on older versions. I will just be patient and wait for it to be done =).

[ripe valley]

Single or Dual RAM system ?

[rustic stream]

Single

[ripe valley]

Okay, I will do a quick test.

[rustic stream]

Last time it worked was in early December.

And when I say it crashes, it goes black and then goes back to the bios screen.

And I tested a couple other games (Burning Rangers and Virtual On) and those worked.

[ancient surge]

Weird, Keio Flying Squadron has worked pretty well for me for months.

Maybe it's because I play the Japanese release.

[ripe valley]

I've tested the JPN version and the EUR versions, everything seems alright after finishing the first stage on each.

[ripe valley]

Seems like an incomplete copy transfer of the core on the SD, when I see that error log.

How did you transfer the last unstable version ? USB ? SCP ? Filezilla ?

[rustic stream]

WinSCP

I'll try again.

I had just transferred over the latest n64 core as well and that was fine. Let me retransfer this guy.

[ripe valley]

Just to be sure.

[rustic stream]

It seems my wifi dongle on my mister is acting up. I connected via ethernet and moved it and it's working now.

[ripe valley]

Generally, that kind of log is common on corrupted bits on a compiled file (like a core) or incorrectly transferred.

That could be a WiFi dongle, an error on the SD or an incorrect data mode transfer.

[tough star]

the word dongle makes me cringe

every damn time 😄

[rustic stream]

Well, I noticed I was starting to get disconnected during core uploads.

So it’s definitely the dongle.

[gloomy hedge]

gotta get a nice trustworthy dongle

I keep mine on me at all times

and we train to make sure we are the very best, that no one ever was

[rustic stream]

I thought I had a nice one. It’s the Bluetooth/wifi one on MisterAddons

[gloomy hedge]

fyi did some testing with the current STABLE core out of curiosity and its the same outcome for cotton 2

crash in first stage

@analog totem trying your copy now

going to illegally winscp it over

grandma dump time

[burnt matrix]

👀

[gloomy hedge]

nope noperson (oh well at least I know it aint the dump)

[fallow surge]

I have one and I cherish him. I also force my gf to play neo geo with me every few months. She actually likes it because we can coin spam and beat stuff

[gloomy hedge]

I guess I could grab an SD card and go nuclear real quick

to just throw one more stupid idea into the mix

ive come this fuckin far

is there AI in this core?

I feel like my core is LEARNING how to play sega rally over time

im watching the intro with full sound no cutouts

FUCK THIS

got the white screen after stage TWO this time

PACE WAS IMMACULATe

I WAS ABOUT TO 1CC AHHH IM SO MAD

so it has EVERYTHING to do with the sound

if I dont hear sound return, or the engine noise after a stage, the threads have unraveled

and the core is about to fuck me

1cc pace

this is what you want, you want 4th place coming out of stage 2

[burnt matrix]

I get 8th place

[gloomy hedge]

I'll mister fusion another card real quick to finish this whole stupid investigation lol

[gloomy hedge]

when the numbers are higher, thats bad robby

its like backwards math

if you dont get in 1st you cant play the extra stage

which means you wont unlock the stratos

which is not difficult I was about to do it right here smh

I LITERALLY got a BSOD trying to mr. Fusion this other SD card lmao

is there such thing as being the NOT chosen one?

so anyways yeah wow I havent done a full mr. fusion in ages

no one:

mister CHEATS:

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-to-do-list-long-list-gif-5580267

ok FRESH card with NOTHING ON it except Saturn Unstable and Grandma Dump Cotton

take 34324324

AAAAAND cotton 2 stage 1 crash

this card is literally ultra fresh

I havent even vsync adjust = 2'd it yet

I havent done shit except set up a single controller and drop cotton and the boot.rom (region free saturn bios) onto it

so that rules out:
1.) core
2.) mister binary
3.) SD Card
4.) Any config issues ( this is an ULTRA FRESH hot sd Fusion straight from the oven with " set up a single controller, added unstable core, and drop cotton and the boot.rom (region free saturn bios) onto it"

5.) SDRam (3.0 from misteraddons)

6.) the dump ( used 3 dumps, 2 from each of the redump sites and the @analog totem dump )

7.) my bowels (I'm extremely regular with my morning coffee)

8.) PSU - its from misteraddons and has no issues

9.) heatsink / fan - both are working fan is blowing nicely

the only thing left is DE10 nano OR that SDram is just simply a crapshoot

[naive whale]

My wife will play Zelda with me. Or puzzle games

[alpine pagoda]

Thanks for going through all that, it’s frustrating as hell that you’re still having problems but it’s good to have more stuff eliminated. Hopefully there’s just a few parts of the core that are still a bit organic…

[gloomy hedge]

Yep 😊👍🏽

Thank you

That does make me feel a Little better lol

[frail token]

I'm late to the party, did you do the SDRAM test

[gloomy hedge]

145

(yes)

[dim tulip]

This is an absurd guess that is almost certainly wrong but maybe the dip switches on the DE-10 nano are incorrectly flipped

[rustic stream]

Stupid question...is there a way yet to treat a dual analog controller as the twin stick controllers for Virtual On yet?

[pearl harbor]

She kicks your ass doesn’t she.

[gloomy hedge]

time to play some kyu tiger 2 arrange

OH NO

it has wobble fuck this

thats the other thing with the saturn core, we really need a "flip tate" mode on the core because I cant use it on my tate screen and I cant believe this arrange has wobble hahaha smh

[naive whale]

Lol it’s a one player game 🤣

[frail token]

in Zelda?

[hearty carbon]

Watches you play and then just speedruns the game when you die.

"Can I see it?" beats game

[mortal steppe]

I don't remember, which alternative?

[tough star]

are you my twin?

https://vampier.net/Saturn/update_SaturnSingle.sh

here is a script that will help

[mortal steppe]

Any difference from core in the unstable Channel?

[pearl harbor]

You said puzzle games!

[tough star]

not if it's up to date 🙂

[quick sorrel]

What is this setup that you have the game on the left and MiSTer something on the right?

[gloomy hedge]

Just a layout in OBS

Like for recording

That's not what I see on my game screen

I usually put box art on the right

I mean what else I'ma do with all that space

[quick sorrel]

I see. Thought it might have been a setting one could use that I’d yet to see.

[gloomy hedge]

Oh nah haha

Just for recording

[quick sorrel]

What’s OBS stand for?

[quaint dove]

Open Broadcaster Software?

[gloomy hedge]

https://obsproject.com/

[quick sorrel]

Oh. Not a streamer so I’d never heard that one before. Thanks

[gloomy hedge]

Even if you don't stream, good for recording

[quick sorrel]

Recording anything off your tv or monitor?

[gloomy hedge]

Yep

Pretty much

[quaint dove]

It'll accept lots of devices, but generally like a capture device via usb.

[quick sorrel]

Hmmmm good to know if need that someday

[quaint dove]

Can also do screen recording

[gloomy hedge]

Right

[quick sorrel]

Oh is this how streaming piracy happens? They push play and then record it? Like back in VHS days

Or taping songs off the radio? (Yes, I’m old :p)

[gloomy hedge]

Lol sure yeah

P much

Video version of radio tape

[quick sorrel]

Neat. Learning is fun

[gloomy hedge]

[quaint dove]

It's especially useful as an intro to live broadcasting, since you can switch between scenes, add graphics, do audio mixing, etc.

I used it at my prior job when I'd help broadcast college graduation ceremonies.

[quick sorrel]

And it’s free? Helluva product.

[gloomy hedge]

Yep

[hearty carbon]

Fairly easy to use/learn too

[analog totem]

@gloomy hedge oh man, just caught up on the saga. That’s wild that even a fresh SD didn’t work…it seem like it just means A) just a very extremely unlucky “you got 2-3 bad sticks of ram despite good test results in a row and need to try another” or B) Incredibly bad luck with SD cards that otherwise seem fine or C) It’s something off with the DE-10 itself 🥲

I mean…it sounds weird…but could it be a power issue? 🤔🤔

…or maybe some other peripheral you have connected?

[mortal mist]

New core is near

Maybe the lack of music in gex will also be fixed

[ripe valley]

Fix output levels!

😍

[mortal mist]

Yeah we are here 😁🍻

[ancient surge]

Oh the low volume issue will be fixed?

[mortal mist]

We will see 🙂

I hope so!

[ripe valley]

From what I'm reading inside the SCSP code, the level regulation is implemented now (MVolCal == Master Volume Cal + LevelCalc == Level Regulation + Panning)

And there are DSP fixes for ending those clicks/hissing noises.

But we will know within the next hour.

[ancient surge]

I want to test Dino Island again. There is a bug with it where the audio breaks when you select an option and loads the next scene.

On top of the known issues with low volume.

[ripe valley]

Not everything is here, there are also some commented code that should be needed at a later time.

So refrain to test it with headphones and max volume immediately, just to be sure.

[gloomy hedge]

No it's choice E.) The core itself

Which will get better as time goes on!

[ancient surge]

Fighting Vipers is maybe the absolute worst example of the low volume issue I can think of, so that's an easy way to test if the changes did anything.

[ripe valley]

Seriously, I'm sad for @gloomy hedge and I scratched my head a long time two days ago with the issues.

But thanks for trying everything with your system.

[gloomy hedge]

I appreciate y'all, Hey it's allll good when the core is as good as it can be if I still have issues, then we'll have to revisit

I'ma get a De11 Pico and leave you guys in the dust

[ripe valley]

😆

[gloomy hedge]

Should I seriously try getting another pSU? Could that SERIOUSLY reasonably be a thing?

Like no other issues, all other cores, perfect...

[ripe valley]

That's the sole point not tested on your configuration (apart from the FPGA chip itself).

[gloomy hedge]

But do we not believe the fact that this is the only core having issues to be a fair test of the PSU?

Since we're scraping the dirt underneath the barrel, I could also disconnect the Wifi dongle I guess but I really don't think 🤔... Shouldn't matter ..

I'm just gonna wait.... Can't have another 55 second stage 1, perfect stage 2, to a white screen

[ripe valley]

On a Pi system, the PSU should matter, but on a MiSTer, I'm left perplexed too.

[ancient surge]

Idk man, maybe your MiSTer is just haunted by the ghost of Bernie Stolar and he really doesn't want you to play Cotton 2 for some reason.

[ripe valley]

Or you have 3 HDDs, 4 SNAC, a MT32-Pi connected and you are boiling some water with the last USB port.

[gloomy hedge]

Or have a good Sega Rally run

[gloomy hedge]

Oh yeah hold up let me disconnect my MRI machine that I was powering with this

[ripe valley]

I have a nuclear power plant at home for my HiFi system, so I'm not shocked.

Gonna need some plutonium bars once a year though, maybe I will need to seek some with some Libyan guys later.

[gloomy hedge]

Ask them if they got a spare mister while you're at it

[ripe valley]

Righto'.

[burnt matrix]

Or maybe we just accept that this core is in heavy development and issues like this will happen

[mortal mist]

never

[burnt matrix]

[hearty marten]

Get back in your box, moderator

[burnt matrix]

🎁

[hearty marten]

tbh it all sounds like a good excuse to buy a second MiSTer to me

[mortal mist]

that's why I already have three 🙂

[gloomy hedge]

-fix output levels
-DSP fixes
-fixes Aktane's jank mister```

Finally!

[mortal mist]

hahahaha

nice 😄

[gloomy hedge]

I'm actually curious if this fixes some other stuff with sound

Like massively loud sounds vs quiet sounds etc

[burnt matrix]

🎸

Sega Saturn sounds

[ripe valley]

From what I've seen on the code minus a global sound function which is commented fully, yes

[gloomy hedge]

Intriguing. This is a big day then

Strap in kyle

We ride

[burnt matrix]

who’s Kyle? Is that the name of the gremlin that breaks your MiSTer?

[ancient surge]

No dual RAM build?

[ripe valley]

Building time.

Bot is on week-end mode.

[gloomy hedge]

Patience, chili pepper

[gloomy hedge]

Go go go go go

Dual ram builds are on sale for a limited time

[thorn pagoda]

ooh sound fixes?

[gloomy hedge]

For free.99

[ancient surge]

Oh yeah, what about SEGA AGES After Burner? Is the sound fixed?

[mortal mist]

No music in Gex 🙈

[thorn pagoda]

whats DSP? other sound stuff?

[ripe valley]

DSP is the part of a sound chip in charge of sound modulation and shaping the final signal.

So yeah, big stuff.

[mortal mist]

yeah volume level is better

Daytona 🙂

[thorn pagoda]

awesome

[hearty marten]

🥳

[burnt matrix]

Daytona isn’t good

[thorn pagoda]

quite a lot of games had some noticably wonky audio levels

daytona is good - not on saturn though 😄

[burnt matrix]

Daytona is amazing!!!

[mortal mist]

As for crackles , I see no difference in this build

Die Hard Arcade sounds much better

Virtua Cop is good too

[ripe valley]

So far :

• Volume levels are much louder in general;
• Sound effects on Asuka 120% are sometimes too loud and scratchy or missing;
• Soukyuugurentai works with sounds (and I can't reproduce the problem on the text on the end of the first stage).
• After Burner II music is loud now too, no more an issue now.

• Crackles in sound when reading a CDDA track is present, probably in another round of future fixes.

[mortal mist]

Tomb Raider is still broken (underwater sound )

[naive whale]

Talos Principle style games

[supple vine]

Did you play Talos Principle 2? I finished it a couple weeks ago. Best puzzle game ever IMO.

[naive whale]

Interesting. Are we back at “don’t wear headphones”?

[naive whale]

Yep. So fun

[ancient surge]

That Asuka 120% sound issue has been there for a very long time, so it sounds like nothing changed.

[native dagger]

Volume levels hype

[naive whale]

Fun stuff

[ripe valley]

The general mixing is too loud now on some games and the sound effects are not scratchy by a DSP problem like before, but they oversaturate speakers.
So some parameters to be adjusted on some global sound functions.

[naive whale]

Sounds like a yes. I like to tell people in videos. Because we did have the “don’t wear headphones” days

[ripe valley]

Sorry about that, that's a yes.

[naive whale]

Haha nothing to be sorry bout 🙂

[ripe valley]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/134
I will need a second test on that issue, pretty please.
I can't reproduce the error at all with the current core version.

[naive whale]

It’s mostly a me thing. My headphone volume starts quite high for my work and with Saturn core I’ve def had more than a few moments where I’ve had to rip them off quick. So I stopped using them for tests

[ripe valley]

For example, when I tested the Saturn core before today, I was at 25% (of global volume) on my audio system.
Now, I'm at 11 and some sounds effects are even louder, so loud the signal is literally clipped on sound effects, but not the music.

I think about a problem with the general balance and mixing.

One louder.

[thorn pagoda]

if its clipping that might be a bug, probs worth reporting

oh but you know that - sorry 🙂

[ripe valley]

I need to test something on my side and taking some recordings.

Rainbow Islands sounds and music are working, yeay!

[ancient surge]

So I tried out Asuka 120% Limited Burning Fest to see if the issues were fixed.

I can tell the changes did fix some issues, but new issues cropped up now, so overall I say it's at least on par with older builds.

[mortal mist]

Can someone check the music in Gex game?

[ancient surge]

Dino Island does benefit from the sound changes. The volume is a little higher and the audio no longer breaks.

But the changes broke the textboxes again.

[gloomy hedge]

mods! get him!

[gloomy hedge]

does Souky have music too?

[ancient surge]

SEGA AGES After Burner has sound!! 🙌

[gloomy hedge]

I'll drop souky in right now

[ancient surge]

Ah never mind. SEGA AGES After Burner had sound, but it breaks after a while. 💔

[ripe valley]

Yes.

[gloomy hedge]

extremely based 1 sec I bet it wont on mine but I can test your text issue I guess

[ripe valley]

I had the problem on the previous build (20240215)

The textboxes were black on my test.

[ancient surge]

I was fixed on the previous build, but now it broke again.

[ripe valley]

It was already broke on the previous build, you had a chance to have the correct box last time.

[ancient surge]

Not lying, this is what it looked like on my end a few days ago.

[gloomy hedge]

immediately everything is louder lol

is there sound in the intro of souky?

[ripe valley]

I know, but it was broken on my last test on my two systems, I didn't had time to report on your issue that we have a different result.

[ancient surge]

Oh okay.

[gloomy hedge]

sound completely cutout on my souky

[ripe valley]

Too bad...

[gloomy hedge]

what text is it?

[ripe valley]

No music, but I will retry later today.
Just overwhelmed now at home, I need to postpone my tests.

[ripe valley]

The text after beating the first boss.

[gloomy hedge]

on it

[ripe valley]

On the issue, it is completely scrambled, but on my test the text is correct.

[ripe valley]

Okay, correct.

[gloomy hedge]

this always worked for me iirc

but I cant confirm

Im 99% sure this worked on previous cores in 2.5 ram

[ripe valley]

Kikusui reported a regression on the previous build.

[gloomy hedge]

think we're good now

[ripe valley]

Yes.

Could I use your screenshot for the issue report ? @gloomy hedge

[mortal mist]

thanks, i tried single , dual , older cores too

[ancient surge]

https://streamable.com/e02e9y

I get music on my end.

[ripe valley]

Okay, I will need a full reboot on my systems later.

Could someone test Space Jam ?

Thanks, I need to go for now, I will be back in 2-3 hours.

Good luck.

[mortal mist]

Unfortunately I have no luck, I checked two cd images

redump

bin/cue

need new mister 😄

[ancient surge]

By the way, neither RAM build has any impact on my results with Gex, so I'm assuming you have another issue.

[gloomy hedge]

for souky does it matter if I pick regular or the fancy version?

that has the demo or whatever

lol nevermind game just crashed

this core is making me really hate my mister lol

[ripe valley]

The other version is the Price-Cut Version, a reissue.

[gloomy hedge]

yeah thats the one I play, the non-garegga-demo one

or whichever that one is

[ancient surge]

Saturn Bomberman still has issues with the low volume, and now there's a new problem with some of the sound effects being broken.

[gloomy hedge]

everything is just super loud lol

cotton 2 is extremely loud now

[ripe valley]

Added to the general sound issue, I heard the problem on Saturn Bomberman too.

[gloomy hedge]

aaaand crashed

okay I'm done with this core for a few weeks, I'll catch y'all then depression max achieved

[ripe valley]

For me, it's missing a final volume mixing function with specify some levels between music and sound effects.

But I've also seen some TODO parts by srg320 on the code.

So he will refine them at a later time.

(And, I'm off)

[ancient surge]

Sakura Wars Columns still sounds quiet.

[mortal mist]

in that case it must be a problem with the game image, on my other mister I have the same problem.

[quick sorrel]

My volume levels are notably louder. Though, I'm going to presume the CDDA (?) thing is causing dial-up modem sounds in Radiant Silvergun still. Maybe. Dunno.

[ancient surge]

Overall the new build did fix some sound, some sound is not changed, and new problems with sound cropped up.

But it sounds like these will be tightened up with the next few builds, so that's a little exciting.

So a little bit of good news and bad news

Fighting Vipers and Fighters Megamix both got audio improvements, as the volume it a lot higher to normal levels. It's still not perfect since there is this obnoxious audio pop for both, but it's still a step in the right direction.

The bad news is that both are pretty unstable. Fighting Vipers slows down a lot and Fighters Megamix can crash if you skip the intro cutscene. I'm assuming this is related to the recent coding overhaul.

[ripe valley]

Virtua Figher 2 also, when loading the game.

[ancient surge]

Can anyone else test Fighters Megamix to make sure it's not an issue on my end? All you need to do is let the intro cutscene play and just skip it, and it should consistently freeze on a black screen.

https://streamable.com/5ak0m2

This is gross.

[naive whale]

Yeah def regression there

[burnt matrix]

You’re a regression

[naive whale]

Quiet there Baby Ted Cruz

[burnt matrix]

Ok Grandpa Ted Cruz

[ripe valley]

Now, I have sounds and music on Gex (USA), after a full reboot of my Mister systems @mortal mist

[mortal mist]

I've tried everything, my misters are broken 🙂

Never mind maybe one day it will work

[burnt matrix]

What happened?

[ancient surge]

Cleopatra Fortune regressed from the sound changes. Now sound effects are too loud and distorted.

[mortal mist]

I don't know , I'm the only person whose music doesn't work in Gex , I've checked several disc images on three misters 🙂

[ancient surge]

Sonic Jam regressed from the sound changes. Now collecting rings produces a lot of static noise, and some static permeates the music too.

[analog totem]

@gloomy hedge I’d say trying another PSU is worth a shot if you haven’t tried that

[native dagger]

Your gex has been hexxed

[tawny forge]

Another de10 will do it 🙃

[frail token]

So sounds like some fixes some regressions in this build?

[gloomy hedge]

im about to just buy a saturn lmao (jokes tho im all good I'll chill for a few weeks and return when my mister's ego repairs itself)

[burnt matrix]

I have a Saturn and just play the MiSTer core lol

I am too lazy for using my Saturn and my surprise Saturn game stash

[pearl harbor]

Aww, I was hoping she was kicking your ass at Tetris since you said you're bad at Tetris.

[pearl harbor]

Robby stealing copies of Magic Knight Fat Baby Earth for his "surprise" stash.

[native dagger]

Robby has a surprise mustache? I imagine it as a Dick Dastardly one that he puts on just to troll

[burnt matrix]

⚔️

[pearl harbor]

Reading through the comments, "sounds" like I should probably skip this update as well?

[naive whale]

dad joke alert

[gloomy hedge]

yeah when you cant get past stage 1 I suppose it doesnt matter which one you pick

jokes aside the core is gonna be great... i believe

[untold spear]

time to.. beat mmx4 2 more times to see if the rare boss music cut out still happens

i love this game

ay its all louder

nope. sound cut out on boss still

managed to it to happen fast this time

[cyan tapir]

The same thing happens to me in the (USA) version, and in the (Jap) version it crashes randomly when the boss is about to speak.

[burnt matrix]

lol I missed this, good burn 🤣

[burnt matrix]

Back to playing Powerslave and can confirm that most sound effects are peaking. The gameplay is also peak.

[mortal mist]

On raspberry pi? 🤪

[burnt matrix]

Powerslave is sluggish as it is, it’s worse with input lag on the Pi lol

[mortal mist]

ok Gex works now with music 😄

[ripe valley]

Incorrect dump ?

[mortal mist]

nope

[ripe valley]

Magic ?

[mortal mist]

I reset the settings under osd and everything started working.

same on other MiSTers, not surprising since I copied everything including settings 🙂

[tawny forge]

OMG

[mortal mist]

yeah , magic , but works 🙂

[tawny forge]

https://tenor.com/view/magic-gif-26166638

[pearl harbor]

Tried today's core build anyway, and it's so weird not having to crank the volume up so much anymore! For the games that don't have audio issues, it's basically perfect now. Unfortunately, yeah some games have new audio issues. Elevator Action Returns for example has new audio crackling that wsan't there before (in addition to the maniacal laughter during explosions).

[alpine pagoda]

Tried today’s core too, multisystem. Same issues on sega rally, although I managed a full run without it cutting out, but then when I retried it cut out early in the first race. Cotton games have no music, nights music cuts out as soon as game starts. I usually test those three because I’ve always been under the impression that they work for other people and they’ve been consistently broken for me.

[pearl harbor]

Yeah, all three of those games have no audio issues on my end.

[pastel basalt]

The only game I have been booting up on each new unstable core is battle garegga, still has issues with the medal sprites for some reason but no major gameplay issues

[native dagger]

What do people think is the best 3d fighter on the Saturn?

[tiny flare]

does Virtual On count? 😆

[pastel basalt]

My vote is fighters megamix!

[burnt matrix]

I take back everything I said about the N64 controller being the perfect Saturn controller.

The Saturn controller is the perfect N64 controller!

||with the 8BitDo M30, so I can swap between analog and dpad mode and map L trigger to select||

[gloomy hedge]

Whoa whoa what is this

Illegal play

Flag

[burnt matrix]

looool

[gloomy hedge]

✨🪄

I forgot I did a fresh SD anyways so those settings hadn't even been set

[wet river]

Does anyone have an issue with vertical cropping on the Saturn core?

Or is it more likely just my settings somewhere. Outputting basic HDMI 1080p

[ancient surge]

SEGA Saturn core lacks a way to fix the vertical and horizontal blank like the PS1 and Nintendo 64 cores can, which might be part of the issue.

[pearl harbor]

Virtua Fighter 2!

Robby's is Virtua Fighter Kids for that sweet sweet fat baby action.

[tiny flare]

I definitely have issues on CRT at least, different games seem to shift all over the place

[wet river]

Thanks guys. Not a big deal. Was actually a good thing for Daytona! It cut down the borders a bit lol

[naive whale]

Elevator Action has had that glitch for forever I feel like. Since last spring

[quick sorrel]

I shot a barrel and there were horrific screams. Who keeps hiding inside flammable barrels? Do they not teach you that at Henchmen Uni?

[burnt matrix]

The hell kind of game is Yumimimimimimimi Remix?

[burnt matrix]

Zero Divide 👀

[trim nimbus]

I thought it was “Fist”

[burnt matrix]

I’ll be honest, I was really hesitant to search up “fist Saturn” but sure enough that’s a real game

[analog totem]

https://tenor.com/view/mimimi-reclamando-mock-kid-gif-15820692

I think it’s basically a party game with a bunch of mini games if I remember right

[burnt matrix]

It confuses me greatly

its smug aura mocks me

[jagged quartz]

It's so great to hear Daytona USA jamming out at the same volume as everything else!

Was playing Sega Rally Championship, and the engine noise are still SO quiet. I turned off the music to try and listen. The engine is THERE but like I said, quiet. Is this accurate?

[tiny flare]

I don't think so, I remember them being distractingly loud

[jagged quartz]

Yeah, just looked up a video. You can't miss the sound.

I had hoped the DSP fixes would have affected this game, too. Oh well, maybe next time ☺️

[alpine pagoda]

That’s weird, engine sound feels fine for me until it cuts out along with the music

[jagged quartz]

Like... This level of fine?

Go to 1:25

https://youtu.be/5H1mLFApNF4?si=h8W5Zpx4BG-RSPX9

[tiny flare]

ah that bug, I hadn't played it on recent builds, but yeah I used to have that happen as well, the sound would just cut out completely after a while

[alpine pagoda]

Would have to watch a video to verify I guess, but it never seemed too quiet

I guess it’s a little quieter than that, but not so quiet that it ever bothered me

The engine sounds and music cut out, co-driver and impact sounds still play

But it’s always done that for me, apparently it doesn’t happen for everyone

[burnt matrix]

SEGA Rally is so frustrating. It’s got so little content but the physics driving model is so GOOD.

[amber lichen]

Hi all. I’ve been out if the Saturn news fir a bit so my questions are does games required 2/4MB ram work on latest cores? Game saves work?

[alpine pagoda]

90s racers: you’ll have one track 3 different ways and be happy with it

[tiny flare]

it's a very pure arcade racer I guess, you just play to perfect that one sequence of tracks in the one car of your choosing

I love all of Sega's racing output from that era, Daytona 1 + 2, Scud Race, right the way through to Outrun 2

[jagged quartz]

That new Castlevania symphony of the night fan patch uses the extra ram, and it works fine.

[jagged quartz]

I'm just surprised how well sega rally carries over to the Saturn.

[amber lichen]

@jagged quartz do patch is needed for each games needing extra ram?

[jagged quartz]

No no. Someone made an ultimate version of the game, and it can use the ram.

[burnt matrix]

and the three tracks are so good! I’m a big fan of rally racers and Sega Rally just perfectly nails arcadey realism. I love this game lol.

[jagged quartz]

I'm saying the ram should work as expected

[amber lichen]

I see. Game saves work?

[jagged quartz]

Every time I fire it up to test, I can't not just finish the race.

[jagged quartz]

Pretty sure they do, yes.

[alpine pagoda]

Yeah, sometimes it’s all you needed. At least we used to have time to get good at all the tracks back then

[amber lichen]

Ty for info

[burnt matrix]

Yeah game saves work, I’ve been slowly picking away at Powerslave this past month

Another GREAT Saturn game!

[analog totem]

Have you gotten past the first water level? I can’t get through that damn slog of a level

I really like Powerslave otherwise and I’m sure I’ll get past that level one day when I feel determined to again

[tiny flare]

Ok I'll have to fish out my actual saturn and game just to compare, but yeah the sound level for the engine noise in Sega Rally doesn't sound that quiet at all for me on the latest build

[jagged quartz]

Lemme grab a quick capture for you.

[burnt matrix]

oh LOL the dirt effects from the tires also look weird on actual hardware.

[jagged quartz]

@tiny flare Music disabled. listen during the jumps

[jagged quartz]

also, forgive my sloppy driving... capture card lag haha

Decided to give Tomb Raider another go...

that game is still a hot mess.

I mean, its a hot mess on real hardware too, but the core is worse still

The quad sorting bug makes it look like poor Lara has a killer cramp in her calf.

[burnt matrix]

sprites for terrain, so crazy!

[jagged quartz]

Gotta love DFRetro!

I like to imagine if they accidentally shipped the game like that...

Resident Evil wasn't affected by the DSP fixes...

[thorn pagoda]

strange i got past that twice in a row the other day

it seems kinda random idk

[jagged quartz]

This is actually an old video from a few months ago, but the game did the thing when I just tested it, and this video is funny to me.

[tough star]

been running aorund the whole day - what I miss?

[frail token]

This charming fellow

[tough star]

lol

[jagged quartz]

Been running around? Like Barry here?

[tough star]

there was a mini MiSTer FPGA Discord Server meeting even

IRL

[frail token]

what when

[tough star]

today

Vintage Computer Festival

in Orange California

[unkempt kelp]

Any objections to clearing out blank rows at the bottom of USA and JP pages on the testing spreadsheet?

[tough star]

let me check

@unkempt kelp that's just how spreadsheets work

a bunch of empty rown at the end that no one (but you) scrolls to 😄

[limpid wharf]

Who made this?

[frail token]

me lol

[limpid wharf]

Ha, it looks excellent dude, well done! 🥰

[unkempt kelp]

That you can easily delete 🙂

[frail token]

Thanks! I've been toying around with MiSTer logo mashups in the #share-media channel!

[amber lichen]

Can someone point me to the nightlies buiild? I dont see a link for it on my discord

[mortal mist]

#unstable-nightlies message

[amber lichen]

@kub ty much

[mortal mist]

If you don't have access change your role

[amber lichen]

I made it a favorite so I hope it sticks

[frail token]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-dwayne-johnson-role-shut-your-mouth-gif-12409479

[desert vessel]

So happy that SEGA Touring Car Championship is almost at 100% perfect. ^_^

Also, has anyone pinpointed what might be needed to get the SFX and voices into VF2?

[ripe valley]

srg320 needs to do some more researches.

[ancient surge]

It's why I'm hesitant to report on sound issues, since I'm assuming srg will fix it in a few days anyway.

[frail token]

It's a shame he's not on discord

[mortal mist]

Better for him 🤣

[frail token]

Undoubtedly lol

[burnt matrix]

@amber lichen are you kuba’s child?

Kuba and his kubbie’s

[mortal mist]

haha

[burnt matrix]

If you don’t know how to change your role can help.

[mortal mist]

my son's name is Franek 😛

Francis

He also plays on MiSTer but he's not here yet 😉

[burnt matrix]

awwwwwwww ❤️

My youngest is five and he loves cheats. So @elder jolt and @red ridge are his heroes today lol.

He thinks all the ways to break Mario is hilarious

And it’s pretty funny lol, @naive whale I’ll watch your N64 cheat vid with my kid when you put it up

Sounds like a fun video!

[mortal mist]

yeah my son loves Mario64 and Mario Kart 🙂

[past forge]

Yeah I've been testing RE intermittently and mostly I get stuck at one of these near the beginning. If not the opening scene here, then in the dining room with Barry. As Chris, farthest I got was when Rebecca was about to play the piano

cutscenes are the game-ender there

[mortal mist]

Yes , same here

[wise brook]

introduced my little brother to Sakura Wars today on the latest core

everytime there was an audio hiccup he played this

https://youtu.be/Oc7Cin_87H4?si=dbWF3LEKT0Lre6SV

[frail token]

This apparently makes an adorable sticker

[night geyser]

First time attempting to update Saturn core manually, would like to install a nightly build. Where should I put the file and should I delete the old one?

[mortal mist]

you can create a separate folder, or put it in the "console" folder

no need to delete anything , can have different versions of the core in one place.

[wooden dew]

Does anyone use paddles for their 5th/6th Saturn controller face buttons? I'm wondering if it works well, and maybe I'd be able to consolidate my many controllers into one scuf or similar.

[wooden cosmos]

Any SNAC news?

[thorn pagoda]

blue1 posted a build a while back if you search up

#1046941029296779344 message

@burnt matrix can you please update the pinned snac link? there's a newer build now

[burnt matrix]

Thank you very much. Done.

[wooden cosmos]

Nice, thanks! And thanks to @inner token !

Does anyone know if a 6 player mulitap works with SNAC/SNAX?

[wise brook]

I'll give it a test later

[manic mica]

yeah same here

ASL2 has always had problems in general but the new cores crashes it right away. at best you get visual garbage on the screen midway thru stage 1

[mossy otter]

I just got this core from update_all but loading a rom it says my bios is missing, am I dumb or did something weird happen

I assumed update_all adds the bios but maybe not?

[ancient surge]

You need to get the bios yourself, then put it in the game folder and name it boot.rom

[mossy otter]

ah ok, ty ty 🙏

[ancient surge]

Also the core in update_all is currently outdated and #unstable-nightlies has the most up to date version.

[mossy otter]

oh cool, do I just need to replace the rbf file in the Console folder and I'm good, when getting new versions?

[native dagger]

Yep that's all

[mossy otter]

sorry to keep asking crap but tried finding this answer and can't, is there a specific bios to use? when I look at my usual bios resource there are a ton of choices

[burnt matrix]

Thanks that reminded me to update the pinned post - #1046941029296779344 message

[native dagger]

I use some version of hisaturn

[burnt matrix]

Use a region free bios. We can’t tell you what to find it or post links to it because it’s copyrighted materials. Yes I know, and yes I’m sorry for this small bit of frustration.

[mossy otter]

no prob at all

[burnt matrix]

This FAQ is helpful for knowing if you have the right files - https://vampier.net/Saturn/

[ancient surge]

You can use any of the bios files, it's just the region free ones are convenient to ignore the SEGA Saturn region locking.

[mossy otter]

sweet thanx

[mossy otter]

damn launching the core just crashed my mister

I guess it says unstable right there in the name

[burnt matrix]

lol that sucks but you made me laugh

[mossy otter]

dang just tried three recent dualsdram builds and a different bios and they all instantly crash my mister

[burnt matrix]

What type of ram do you have? How many chips are on it?

And have you update your MiSTer main recently?

[mossy otter]

my order said this when I got everything

and did update_all the other day but nothing else, I dunno if that counts for what you mean

[burnt matrix]

Who did you order it from? I ask because there’s a 4-chip ram that was produced without adhering to the official spec so it doesn’t work with this core. It pushes the ram very hard.

[mossy otter]

mister addons

like 2 years ago

[burnt matrix]

Ah you’re good then.

[mossy otter]

so I should get the Saturn_DualSDRAM core not the regular core?

[ancient surge]

Either core should work.

[mossy otter]

hm weird I wonder what's happenin

it doesn't even get to the point where I can open a menu and do anything, just within 5 seconds the whole mister resets

after launching the core

[ancient surge]

Test your RAM. There is a core that tests your RAM response time.

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/MemTest_MiSTer

[mossy otter]

cool runnin that now

[mossy otter]

ran it for 32 mins and got zero errors, 150 MHz

god doesn't want me to experience the Sega Saturn

he's still mad at me for switching to nintendo after the genesis

[zinc vine]

golden axe the duel have audio problem

[native dagger]

@mossy otter I would maybe double check your bios sha with the faq site to make sure it's valid

I'm no expert here though

[alpine pagoda]

Maybe the core isn’t being copied over to your mister correctly? Could you be using ftp and not doing a binary transfer?

[tall radish]

I'd be pissed if my god kept me away from the sega saturn. I certainly wouldn't worship it.

😂

[mossy otter]

tried the regular Saturn core and that one's working, so just the latest dualsdram ones are crashing

maybe initially setting up the core with update_all then only changing the rbf file to the new one was bad? wasn't sure if I needed to mess with any other files

[mossy otter]

I'm just copying the file over to the Consoles folder manually

[alpine pagoda]

Oh well, was worth a shot. The way it’s crashing right off the bat made it sound like maybe you had a corrupted file

And you do have a dual ram setup, right? (Sorry gotta ask the dumb questions sometimes!)

[mossy otter]

yeah

[alpine pagoda]

Have you used other dual ram cores? It’s possible the dual ram setup isn’t setup right? Do the unstable single ram cores work for you?

[mossy otter]

it's totally possible I didn't set up the dual ram correctly, I don't even remember actively doing anything around that but it's been a couple years since I built it

[alpine pagoda]

There’s some switches on the de10 that need to be set a particular way for dual ram. Could be that. I’m not sure what they are offhand though

Single ram version of the Saturn core is fine though, you can totally just try that for now.

[mossy otter]

ok cool ty ty

is dual ram gonna be important for the n64 core? or maybe it's tough to know?

[burnt matrix]

It will not be needed at all, dual ram isn't really needed by anything

[hearty carbon]

what if I need to feel like my MiSTer is all hot-rodded out?

[burnt matrix]

Then it's awesome for that. I like to lord my dual ram superiority too lol

[hearty carbon]

One day, I'll be one of you elites.

[naive whale]

Dual ram is just for symmetry at this point

[frail token]

You don't want a leaning MiSTer

[serene thunder]

Just tie some twine around it

[unkempt kelp]

The dual sdram Saturn core will crash back to the main menu if you're not running dual SDRAM. If you have 2 memory modules installed, you'll need to set the switch on the DE10-nano to tell MiSTer that's what you're using. This is expected behavior.

It needs to be configured for the "IO Digital" setup

SW3 = ON

[stiff patrol]

Just to be sure. Dual ram refers to having Two independent Ram Sticks one on each side of the board and not referring to having 2 ram chips on a single stick.

see here for details of how to set it up

https://misterfpga.co.uk/dual-sdram-mister-fpga/

[gusty quest]

anyone else notice that Outrun is now broken on the latest test build ? Only the road appears and no sprites

[mortal mist]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues - if you can please report the problem here

[gusty quest]

will do, was working fine on all the previous test builds

[peak bear]

Wondering if anyone can tell me a build of the unstable Saturn core that can play Vampire Savior, the Eng translation? I've tried the most recent build from the 17th, one for a couple of days prior, and I can't find one where it works. I'll just keep an extra version for that one game if there's a build that worked. Single 128mb RAM.

Currently using the USA v1.00 BIOS, with region set to Japan and 4MB DRAM cart. I'll get as far as the Now Loading screen with the core from the 17th, and the one from the 15th gets to the loading curtain heading into a fight. Both freeze, and the one from the 15th was also missing menu music.

If it's not playable at all, I'll wait for the future. I saw an old YouTube video of it being played so I'm assuming it's just some unstable changes and I need to grab an older version.

[mortal mist]

from what I can see , this game definitely did not work with core 20240212

should work with 20240217 . What version of sdram are you using ?

[peak bear]

I'm not sure, I have a Multisystem board. I took my old ram out and am using the one build into the board

With 20240217 it freezes to a black screen after Now Loading. No music in Night Warriors either...

I hadn't tried the game up until now so it could be coincidental timing and me seeing something that made me think it was working prior

[mortal mist]

From what I know sdram in Multisystem behaves similarly to sdram in version 2.4/2.5 with which there is sometimes a problem.

I will be happy to test this game after work

Maybe someone will be quicker to check it out.

Have you perhaps checked the version without the eng patch ?

[peak bear]

I did try the unpatched version as well and it exhibits the same behaviour. Hopefully it's not a MMS RAM issue, I JUST put it together lol and retired my stack

No rush. I'll be sleeping shortly anyway. Thank you.

[ripe valley]

Vampire Savior (Japan) works, as I was playing it this morning.

I need to test the EN translation later.

For OutRun, there is a regression but I will check something on my side with an internal build.

[peak bear]

Alright. I tried the untouched Japan version too and had the same issues, so that might point to a problem specifically on my end. Maybe I'll have to look more into the RAM version and what it all means. Haven't come across it yet but I'm sure there's threads to check out. At least, worst case, the RAM on the MMS board can be removed and substituted with my other stick or a new one if it turns out to be the problem. I won't go straight to that though as I know a lot is changing with the core every day

[ripe valley]

MMS RAM is v2.4 if I remember well.

I don't have a v2.4/2.5 stick for doing some tests, sorry.

[peak bear]

No problem. I wonder why the MMS RAM version is so old when I'm seeing threads about v2.9 from years ago.

[kind bough]

The Japanese redump seems to be working OK here on my (early from initial run) MMS

[ripe valley]

Thanks for the test.

[peak bear]

Hmm. That's the same source as me. Are you using .chd? I converted my collection ages ago, and I did try restoring it to a bin/cue to test as well, but I didn't go back to grab a fresh version to patch.

[kind bough]

bin/cue here. TBH i dont know much of the game but happy to test

maybe bios? im using Saturn (JP) (1.01) (Region Free)

[peak bear]

The fact that I'm also noticing music problems with other games (like Night Warriors) makes a bit suspicious that there's something else going on with my setup

[ripe valley]

Reverting the CHD only do a single BIN/CUE as we don't have the informations for splitting each track anymore.

[peak bear]

I've been using the USA v1 and JP v1 BIOS. I'll try the JP v1.01a BIOS

[ripe valley]

That's a limit of the current process.

[peak bear]

What is, music?

[ripe valley]

For the tracks after the first one, on Saturn, yes generally it's CDDA tracks (music).

[peak bear]

Oh, I didn't realise that.

Half the enjoyment comes from the music heh. Maybe I'll stop worrying so much about it until we hit another main release. I'll try to get the game booting, but I won't expect it to be one of the perfect ones for now

[peak bear]

Bin/cue, untouched Japan with RF BIOS 1.01 works for me. Still no music, but at least I know that's a general core limitation and not just me

So now I need to try and convert it and see if I can get it working translated. Thanks for all the help narrowing it down

[kind bough]

NP, I tried a few diff bios/region settings and CHD (converted with latest CHDMAN) and it always loaded for me.... so YMMV 🙂

[peak bear]

Yeah, I don't know why CHD is giving me problems for that game.

It's being pretty unstable in general, freezing, sound effects missing, etc so I'm going to give it a rest I think and just check with new versions. Thanks everyone.

[stiff patrol]

its the Ram

The MMS has built in ram

and its timings are probably different than the usual ram

[ripe valley]

Just by taking a look on the board photo, I notice tracks that appear longer than on a more typical RAM stick.

That could be an assumption with timing issues, as the core is really strict and critical on that matter.

[peak bear]

So, potentially snapping the built-in board out and replacing with a v3.0 could have different results?

[ripe valley]

Potentially if the assumption is correct, but I've never tested it and mesured myself or seen some conclusive tests by others at the moment (on that board).

That's why I'm cautious on my ideas, just emitting an hypothesis right now.

[kind bough]

Does seem like RAM, yet that game appears stable here on my MMS with music on latest unstable core
possibly variance between units. Always worth deleting /config/Saturn.CFG just in case I suppose

can you buy right-angled v2.9/3 SDRAM modules like the MMS would need?

[hearty marten]

You can run the resulting files through binmerge to resplit into several bins again: https://github.com/putnam/binmerge

[ripe valley]

Yes, I know, but you need the corresponding cuesheet DAT file.

When I said you cannot do it, it was directly with CHDMAN.

That's one of the next issues to work with on CHD format in the next years (and adding SBI information on a part of the header for the PS1).

[hearty marten]

At least for the files I’ve converted (about 600 cds), the bins and cues before and after the chdman extractcd followed by binmerge -s give exactly the same md5s, but maybe there are cases where that’s not always true

[ripe valley]

Systems like Dreamcast.

[hearty marten]

Ah, I haven’t checked those yet 😄

[ripe valley]

Or systems with strange pregaps like Mega CD/SEGA CD.

[hearty marten]

Good to know. Thanks

[ripe valley]

These are some in-progress parts to further work on with other specialists in the video game digital preservation discipline.

[gloomy hedge]

Always worth a shot but wanted to throw my 2 cents in that deleting that file hasn't made any changes for me thus far

Not sure if there is any other empirical evidence otherwise but just wanted to note low expectations there

[wooden dew]

I saw this as well.

[ripe valley]

The issue is already isolated.

[ancient surge]

Sorry, car is in repairs at the moment.

[old pasture]

I'll be streaming Saturn MiSTer at 6pm UK time today. If you're around, please drop by and say hello 👋

[tough star]

in how many hours is that?

2hs and 21 minutes

just had to look up GMT

[frail token]

Does UK only have one time zone?

[frail token]

Was just thinking this lol

[tough star]

yup

How Many Time Zones Are There in the UK? The United Kingdom has one standard time zone. The overseas territories and crown dependencies of the UK bring the total to 9 time zones.

[hearty marten]

Centre of the world, baby! (for the purposes of time, anyway...)

[old pasture]

One hour and 10 minutes from now.

[old pasture]

Yeah

[gloomy hedge]

https://www.twitch.tv/pixelcherryninja here?

or on YT?

[old pasture]

On YouTube, sorry, I should have said.

Hold on, let me add it to share media and link it.

[gloomy hedge]

or, pro tip put it in your discord profile haha

[old pasture]

Thanks

I hope this link is okay for now
#share-media message

[tough star]

yeah I was typing on twitch a few weeks back and no one saw the messages I guess 😄

[old pasture]

YouTube has the following, so it makes sense to do it there.
Twitch is easier, so sometimes I go on there with random spontaneous stuff, usually using the steam deck in bed lol.

[ancient surge]

Srg has been a little quiet. Guess he's just busy with researching.

[ripe valley]

Let him cook.

[mortal mist]

or he's just relaxing 😄

[ancient surge]

I know, just feels slightly weird after how we got an update almost every day.

I can wait it out.

[naive whale]

Dude deserves a break if he wants one

I take July and august off from YT outside of core update and MiSTer stuff. I just make in advance

[mortal mist]

Of course, no one is a robot

[naive whale]

You never know

[old pasture]

Thanks everyone for dropping by the stream, especially @tough star and @naive whale

Sorry if I've missed anyone else that's here.

[naive whale]

I do hope someone takes my comments as real and then shit talks me 😂

[old pasture]

I missed them lol, I didn't see your usual stuff. All good, most people know we're friends. I do mention you a fair bit, and did today too.

[tough star]

@dreamy ingot you missed 😉

[old pasture]

Thanks @dreamy ingot 👍

Thanks for introducing @tough star to MiSTer.

[naive whale]

I wrote “test crash bandicoot please”

[old pasture]

That's cool. I thought I missed something else.

[peak bear]

I'll try removing the config, or at least opening it and seeing what's there. I've gone through so many iterations of the core that there could be lines in there that don't belong.

I'm not sure if I need anything special for the RAM. The cutout takes the header with it and unless the height is above normal, it should fit being plugged into the DE10. The spacers that mount the DE10 are the same height as the ones in the stack, so the clearance should be about the same

[kind bough]

Yeah it's a long shot given symptoms, normally only helps if the osd status bits change in a new version and old config somehow conflicts.
Was just all out of ideas 🙂

[naive whale]

popped a new saturn vid in #share-media

[kind bough]

@peak bear MMS has the SDRAM PCB at right angle to the connector, normal stick is parallel
https://ultimatemister.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/image0-3-scaled.jpeg?v=1697882134
https://ultimatemister.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/image8.jpeg?v=1676366561
I'm pretty sure it'd hit the bottom of the case (through the hole left of you snapped out the included SDRAM). Has been a while since I built mine but the module is taller

[alpine pagoda]

If you have an MMS I'd probably wait until the core is done and see if the problems are still there, and then probably wait for someone to design a ram board specifically for it

[kind bough]

There used to be a right angle stick sold, just can't recall seeing one for rev 2.9/3

[gloomy hedge]

I feel that ... im perpetually out of ideas

[untold spear]

does astal kinda get weird crackly background music after rescuing the bird for anyone else

no other sounds get weird, just the music. no crash, no graphic glitches

[inner kayak]

Saw this while out and about in Arizona. Saturn based? Very primitive geometry.

[ripe valley]

I reported the problem on the issue tracker already.

A regression from some months ago.

[kind quarry]

has anyone tested Cyberdoll before? it’s a weird JPN only game that had some pretty wild ideas.

https://youtu.be/8TL5HpXEadk?si=cXu4YNSMKGidaoio

had some sprites on 3D backgrounds idea. tons of customization, the story is Shadowrun-ish.

[hearty carbon]

Wild. Never heard of that one.

[untold spear]

ah

[kind quarry]

i was gonna tag awbacon but i assumed he’d had a lot on his plate already

[burnt matrix]

Haha that game rules. Drive around and rope African animals like you’re Indiana Jones. It’s Naomi so it’s Dreamcast.

[burnt matrix]

LOL I played this one, was absolutely confused by the story. Played it on a JP Saturn, haven’t tried it on the core.

[lusty rapids]

I'd imagine you'd be confused by the story

it being in Japanese and all

[burnt matrix]

The intro has English!

[lusty rapids]

well your grasp of English is questionable at times as well

[burnt matrix]

You’re a an English, questionable time grasp as your well at well

[lusty rapids]

tbf that is true

[naive whale]

I love me some Jambo

I have a whole setup for it to emulate the arcade controls

[peak bear]

That's what I thought too, but the way this one is designed makes me wonder. I'd have to take calipers and measure the clearance but as the core is in active development, I shouldn't modify my system juuuust for that. It's just tough to let those games go for now

https://ultimatemister.com/product/xs-d128/

[unkempt kelp]

It's NAOMI (Dreamcast) based. It shares cabinets with Crazy Taxi and 18 Wheeler.

Regarding Saturn core sound issues, it's obvious the core isn't complete and sound varies wildly from MiSTer to MiSTer. Are people testing and reporting playability of games on the spreadsheet still?

[analog totem]

@unkempt kelp I’ve been gradually testing Japanese titles and adding at least a couple a day for the last week or so. Most of the 40ish games I’ve tested so far seem to work mostly fine save a handful

[unkempt kelp]

Beautiful

[analog totem]

I’m sure I’ll keep adding more until all the games I have have been tested

I only have titles that are reasonably playable in English, so no dating sim/visual novel/rpg testing for me unless there are translations

[unkempt kelp]

Have you tried taping down your C button and turning on turbo? Haha. Makes testing even easier