Sega Saturn

[unkempt kelp]

Probably good to specify single or dual sdram too

Or have 2 different sheets

[stiff patrol]

Only the Peasants use single Ram ! Let them eat cake 🙂

[tough star]

not sure why - we're already having a hard time getting people to test as is

[unkempt kelp]

Seems like the results should still be separated so it's clear if there's a compatbility advantage to dual sdram

[stiff patrol]

its hard enough to get people to say what ram versions they have

[tough star]

you volunteering? 😄

[burnt matrix]

I am lazy and I don’t want to do anything but I agree with him lol

it would be good to understand if dual ram actually does anything

[unkempt kelp]

I'll see if I can rally troops but I do think it's an important distinction

Someone was just asking if there was a test sheet yesterday

They'll likely test all the fighting games

[stiff patrol]

It makes you more virile, intelligent and attractive to the opposite Sex, Or same if that floats you boat

[tough star]

InfernoHabanero    2
Kikusui1    1
Kuba    73
METR0lD    1
tjanas    1
Vampier    11
vmicka72    1
Zet-sensei    5``` testers

[ripe valley]

For Rayman (and possibly for Guardian Heroes), I was wrong earlier, it seems to be related with the SMPC changes.
I've seen some possible race condition on OREG when the INTBACK command is used/aborted.

There was a similar issue on Kronos 3 years ago, a flag incorrectly set.

[unkempt kelp]

If you can pause the results now and ask everyone what config they're using, I think it would be useful. Up to you of course.

[mortal mist]

So far I have been doing it myself , testing and gathering information from others from github

I didn't find any differences between single and dual , but this can be added

If anyone wants to share their tests there, that's great

[unkempt kelp]

Have yours been single or dual SDRAM @mortal mist ?

[mortal mist]

Dual and single

No differences

At least in what I tested, maybe someone will find differences , but I doubt it

Tests only with 2.9/3.0

This is why I did not make separate entries for singles and duals. If I found a difference I would put it in the comments

[naive whale]

What’s the story on all these numbers @tough star

Haven’t been paying attention

[unkempt kelp]

I wonder if it's worth only testing single SDRAM, and verifying with dual SDRAM where issues are observed

[stiff patrol]

Missing a chance for a sponsorship of the Saturn Testers !

tested with MrAddons Ram

[unkempt kelp]

Haha I'll send SDRAM out for testers

I'm happy to help but short on time myself

[naive whale]

@unkempt kelp if you have a spare for @gloomy hedge he’s been testing a bunch and helping me out but he’s back in 2.5V. If you could help him I’ll owe you an extra favor

[unkempt kelp]

Sure thing

Anyone else?

[naive whale]

You the man!

[stiff patrol]

Can you sponsor my testing of a Porsche Gt3 ?

[unkempt kelp]

Yes... with a single SDRAM module

[ripe valley]

The SMPC changes are at fault.
I've seen something wrong when the INTBACK break/continue request command is set on register OREG.
The SF register should not be like that.

And Kronos had the same problem like 3 years ago, same bug.
I'm trying something on my side and doing some tests.

[unkempt kelp]

Can we agree to use single SDRAM v2.9 or 3.0 for testing?

[tough star]

I cannot test dual ram

and I'm not going to buy new ram if I have a different version

I got an alu case 😄

[naive whale]

All my tests since like August are 2.9 or 3.0 so anything in my videos is on the “good ram”

[tough star]

I use @unkempt kelp's RAM exclusively

[unkempt kelp]

😍

[tough star]

#notsponsored

[unkempt kelp]

Haha

If we can prove out the core with single SDRAM, testing edge cases only with dual SDRAM, it'll help clarify whether dual SDRAM is even needed

Again, happy to help sponsor testers

[tough star]

I am just testing single ram - standard config with 3 year old hardware,... or it is 4 years now

[ripe valley]

I've not seen any compatibility changes between my two systems (Single and Dual v2.9 RAM) so far.

Differencies are more with older RAM sticks (v2.4/v2.5).

[unkempt kelp]

Do you need new SDRAM? Idk which version you have.

[tough star]

@unkempt kelp I don't know either - but so far it all works good and I don't have any issues

[naive whale]

I never test dual ram even though I can because 95% plus of my viewers are single ram users

[unkempt kelp]

Ok, well, I've made my case for specifying single SDRAM for first pass, saving a dual SDRAM second pass to verify issues.

I think it's valuable to try and show if the core is completely single SDRAM capable

[tough star]

We can spread rumors like people did for the PSX core lol

[unkempt kelp]

I still get a question or two about dual sdram on PSX

[tough star]

I know - so much confusion going on there - I even dedicated part of the FAQ to it

Not needed

[unkempt kelp]

The amount of time spent testing is the hard part

It's nice to get the test case well defined so the results are clear

Instead of re-testing

[tough star]

Well we need to retest for regressions

It’s all part of it

Since SRG320 isn’t on the server feedback can take a while to reach him I guess

It’s not like with FPGAZumSpass

I don’t have space anymore - I have an aluminium case on all 3 misters

[ripe valley]

That's why we are filling issue reports on the GitHub, he could see for regressions quite rapidly (less than 24h).

[ancient surge]

The only regression I noticed with this build was the transparency in Puyo Puyo 2 breaking again.

Otherwise everything else is an improvement.

Maybe I should test Cube Battler again just to see if that regressed, but I'm at work so I can't check.

[tough star]

I was not aware of the responses - good to hear

[umbral radish]

I don't mind doing a little bit of testing (my name already seems to be on that document posted earlier). Who has control of that document?

[tough star]

@mortal mist

[umbral radish]

cheers Vampier

[ripe valley]

No problem detected on Cube Battler.

@umbral radish Pinball Graffiti should be fixed, as far as I've tested.

I've not tested Pro Pinball.

[umbral radish]

yes, I tried it earlier and it is now as it should be (at least to me eyes!). Still no sound on Pro Pinball .... but appears srg320 is not focusing on sound so I'm not worrying about that for the moment

[ripe valley]

You're right, the sound should be done at a later time, if srg320 is working like other devs I know of on the Saturn system.

[umbral radish]

while Pinball Graffiti is not one of the best games on the sytem I hope that the fix for this game (a pretty big bug) has trickled down to help fix /improve other games.

[unkempt kelp]

Regarding (2S), 3S, etc, worth noting to ignore on the spreadsheet instructions?

[naive whale]

I just sent edit request access to whoever is maintaining

but I see Asuka 120% isnt filled...playable, tested today

Time Gal can be updated to playable today

[mortal mist]

Access granted

[naive whale]

ok added some shit and notes

Ill try and remember to add per capture session

[mortal steppe]

I'm testing on 2.4 ram, no fixes for the problematic games (opened issue on github, not considered as today). Daytona USA has the correct menu now. Fighters Megamix works quite good, has some slowdowns but i don't know if were there on original hardware.X-men Vs Street Fighter give black screen after the NOW LOADING screen. Guardian Heroes does not load.

[naive whale]

on 2.4 you are def gonna see issues that 2.9/3.0 wont see

[tough star]

How old is the 2.9/3.0 design?

[mortal mist]

2.9 - 3 years

[tough star]

Uh oh

Maybe I got lucky 🙂

[mortal mist]

I have a collection from 2.4 to 2.9 🤣

[serene thunder]

Anyone here do their gaming on this beast

I think there may even be speakers w SEGA brand?

Can actual games be played using the carousel?? So you could load it with many discs?

Hmm... variant?

[quick sorrel]

Somebody spent a shitton of money on some fancy toys 😎

(Nice stuff!!!!!)

[ripe valley]

A Super Prologue 21.
Karaoke system based on a SEGA Saturn system.

[serene thunder]

Prob can't read game discs from the carousel?

Though they do have redbook audio

[ripe valley]

The Changer (SKA-2000A) can read VCD and Red Book, but not game discs.

[green swift]

Add a Pioneer LaserActive. Complete the cycle. Do it. 🙂

[unkempt kelp]

The core seems really solid after today's update. I hadn't played it in some time.

[naive whale]

It’s much better than it was back in October of last year. A lot of games “just work”

[pearl harbor]

With today's update, I was actually able to finish the first battle in Shining Force III. First time I was able to do that. No idea if I was just lucky though on the crash front.

[burnt matrix]

it’s called getting gud

[burnt matrix]

||I am not gud lol||

[pearl harbor]

What do you think that trophy next to my name means?

[burnt matrix]

The cool person trophy?

[pearl harbor]

That too.

[naive whale]

Luck or not at least it happened

[feral fractal]

Was Night Striker S ever working on the core? I thought i remembered playing it, but it could have been the Playstation version.

[upper dust]

yes - needed to remove controller on port 2

[feral fractal]

That's right. Thanks!

[next bronze]

I actually played that in an arcade, along with Galaga '88. Good stuff.

[feral fractal]

Both great games, for sure.

[mortal mist]

@unkempt kelp I have checked WORMS and CORPSE KILLER, there is indeed no pad response in the menu (tested on dual and single sdram)

[green mauve]

is there anything else i could be missing thats stopping me from loading games? I have the 3.0 ram, ive downloaded various romsets inc the redump, i download the rbf file and load it - games and bios (ive tried various ones) are in games/saturn bios renamed to boot.rom - i just get the cd audios screen , chd and bin/cue just wont load up, this happens on both my misters so im wondering if ive missed something in the backend

my two misters are a copy of each other though so i think its a software rather than hardware issue, one is digital one is analogue

[lavish wadi]

AMEN! I want to play Hyperion again…

[mortal mist]

please check DM

[mortal mist]

Corpse Killer works ok with core 20240202 so it;s regression

[ripe valley]

The SMPC changes have broken some games and race conditions between two registers have appeared.
I'm trying to change and revert some lines of the code right now - for testing later on my systems.

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/if-you-know-what-i-mean-you-know-what-i-mean-iykwim-gif-19437117

[ripe valley]

I'm compiling it a the moment and will test it on my side just after.
Won't share anything until I'm sure I've not broken something else beyond repair.

I've already fully reverted the SMPC changes on 2024/02/02, but I've broken Primal Rage and Discworld once more.

I had to read some corrected SMPC documentations since then and source codes of other SW emulators (when accessible).

[green mauve]

thanks for all your help guys, must have been my mister main, all working on a fresh install 🙂

[mortal mist]

good to hear 🙂

[ripe valley]

Doesn't work like expected, sorry @mortal mist.
If I'm reverting some changes on the SMPC chip concerning the SF bit register/status flag and/or the delay on the INTBACK command, sometimes the core don't even start the BIOS.

So we will need to wait for srg320.

[mortal mist]

thanks for checking @ripe valley 🍻

[ripe valley]

But I'm almost sure about the SMPC changes are the cause of the regressions on Guardian Heroes, Rayman, Worms, Corpse Killer controller responses.

Either the SF (status flag) is incorrectly set somewhere between all commands on the chip or the SMPC is caching contrary instructions (race condition between INTBACK, INTBACK_BREAK and INTBACK_PEND) now during a delay.

[ancient surge]

To me it sounds like new coding clashing with the old coding, and it's why we're in this period of two steps forward two steps back for the last few builds.

Which just means that there will eventually be that breakthrough where everything comes together and corrects itself.

[ripe valley]

The SCU changes are also pretty important for the next steps on the core.

[edgy hollow]

Any news if it will support the serial port in the back of the saturn via snac?

For like disk drive, piano

[mortal mist]

It is still too early for such things.

there is still a lot of work to be done

[naive whale]

Legacy code fighting the new code

[lapis ledge]

Does anyone else have issues with three dirty dwarves lately? It’ll go through the boot screens, but can’t do anything in the main menu

[mortal mist]

Maybe another issue with smpc

Try core 20240202

[ripe valley]

Same bug

I'm changing my issue report to a meta one with a SMPC bug introduced on core version 20240204.

So we can list every games impacted on a same issue, instead of doing multiple individual reports.

[naive whale]

Smart.

[ripe valley]

Past experiences in IT and dev support.

[mortal mist]

next game to collection Quarterback Attack with Mike Ditka, same problem with controller

checked with 20240202 , works ok

[ripe valley]

I will try to revert fully the changes on the SMPC later today and see if the core would compile anymore.
And after that, if I succeed, just implement some delay on the INTBACK command, without changing all the semaphores/status flags changes that was done also on the commit.

[tawny forge]

Any recommended place to purchase v3.0 SDRAM?

[tough star]

@unkempt kelp

[stiff patrol]

depends on location

[tough star]

there

[stiff patrol]

but not Ebay/ Amazon/ Ali Express

[tough star]

mister addons

[stiff patrol]

or legacy Pixels in the states

Misterfpga.co.uk in the UK

UltimateMister.com in Europe

[tawny forge]

Oh, he has v3.0 now! Thanks!

[stiff patrol]

v3 and v 2,9 are identical in function

V3 is just easier for machine to make

[tawny forge]

What’s the current SDRAM requirement for Saturn? 145Mhz and up?

[stiff patrol]

no V3 or v2 ,9

you cannot ask for a 145 mhz chip

you get what you get

[tawny forge]

A v3.0 that runs at 130Mhz works?

[stiff patrol]

well no v3 will be down there

V3 tends to clock over 140

[tawny forge]

That’s the guaranteed minimum

[stiff patrol]

my 2.9 clocks at 150

[tawny forge]

Where did you get it from?

[stiff patrol]

misterfpga.co.uk

but its a lottery

[tawny forge]

Won’t play it then

Let’s see if anything can still be done at core level

[tough star]

..... FFS... someone f-ed around on the historical page for saturn

[tawny forge]

Historical page?

[tough star]

I just locked it down

[tawny forge]

wtf

Vampier the historical page locker

[tough star]

@unkempt kelp went crazy testing the saturn core

[ripe valley]

I've something to share with you now.

So, I've full reverted the INTBACK and SF (status flag) mechanism to the 20240202 version.

And added only the delay on the INTBACK command for Primal Rage and Discworld support.

The core seems stable for our internal tests.

Guardian Heroes works once more, Assault Suits Leynos 2 works partially (crashes within the first 30 secs, so something else on the VDP1 needs to be found).

I've only compiled a Single RAM version.

That's complete patchwork, but "it just works".

[burnt matrix]

damn, we dualies are second bananas huh

I understand and respect it

[ripe valley]

I can compile the Dual version too, but gimme me 30 mins off-time.

[burnt matrix]

Omg i’m so sorry, haha I was kidding.

Was making a bad joke

[ripe valley]

I know, I responded with a serious face for distracting you. 😏

I've shared that patchwork version for testing here, if you can regain control on some of the problematic games discovered since yesterday.

[burnt matrix]

Thank you very much!

[mortal mist]

Thanks @ripe valley 🙂

[ripe valley]

Little personal weekend challenge.
I've not created anything.
Just now I understand why we have that issue and where to modify/revert the code without breaking anything else.
But it's not accurate, it's not right nor wrong. srg320 could do it better and faster.

Something like that.

[ripe valley]

And the Dual RAM version, so @burnt matrix is happy.

At least Three Dirty Dwarves, Rayman, Discworld, Primal Rage, Guardian Heroes are working once more.

Could someone test Worms, Corpse Killer & Quarterback Attack with Mike Ditka ?
Thanks.

[burnt matrix]

thaaaaaaaank you!!

[ripe valley]

Taromaru seems to be fixed with the last SCU changes on core 20240210, I cannot reproduce the crash of the core after the boat sequence.

Tested with the Single and Dual RAM versions just a moment ago.

[tough star]

Ok - so the stats are in - without the core testing of @ripe valley - 100% US library testing done

[rich violet]

Nice @ripe valley! You should make a PR 🙂

[ripe valley]

Tenchi wo Kurau II works once again with the SMPC changes.

[ripe valley]

That's not even a PR, just a revert of the SMPC code to a previous state and adding a line on the INTBACK command.
srg320 could do it within a second (or even do something better).

I tried something else all day long but it was breaking other stuffs.

So, just reverting and adding some milliseconds before the INTBACK command could fire anything seems to be okay (other SW emus are doing the exact same).

[mortal mist]

Corpse Killer and Quarterback works

[burnt matrix]

Can confirm Three Dirty Dwarves is working again! 🥳

[mortal mist]

Worms - must be something else

[ripe valley]

I've seen a second bug on Worms that I can't identify.

Night Warriors: Darkstalkers' Revenge works once again.

[craggy horizon]

I started to answer, but then realized you were referring to a game.

[naive whale]

Sounds like your moms definition of a good time

[lone mural]

does NIGHTS work?

[mortal mist]

yes

it's not perfect, but yes, works 🙂

[burnt matrix]

LOL gross

[naive whale]

Well I meant it wasn’t meant to be a clean joke 🤣

[wicked hearth]

does anyone know if there is a script i can run on my mister to update it to the latest saturn beta build?

[unkempt kelp]

I made an unstable updater

But idk if it's ok to share

It runs very quickly (20 seconds including downloads) compared to adding the unstable repo to downloader.ini which takes significantly longer since it updates all repositories.

[tawny forge]

I use it and I love it

[wicked hearth]

i just found one on vampires page.. ill try that one out. cheers guys

[tough star]

^_^ https://vampier.net/MiSTerScripts/

[umbral radish]

just found another regression (now reported on Github and added to the google doc sheet).

Background layer glitches on Batsugun introduced in the 20240210 build. These glitches weren't present on the 20240206 build.

[tough star]

lol - @unkempt kelp mentioned me on twitter and my twitter explodes 😄 lol

https://twitter.com/MisterAddons/status/1756804711205023804

Porkshop Express (@MisterAddons) on X

The #MiSTerFPGA Saturn core now plays 95.5% of the USA library! I tested more than 100 games on single SDRAM and nearly all are playable with only minor issues. There's almost no difference between single and dual SDRAM.
Thanks to @VampierMSX and Kuba for coordinating + testing,…

Twitter · Feb 11, 2024, 10:17 PM

[naive whale]

Now if we could just get him to admit Escape from NY is better than Big Trouble in Little China

[tough star]

The Thing is the best

[burnt matrix]

I am so strong that I am my own update script

Basically a retro gaming adonis over here

[drifting frigate]

Marioroborous over here. Robby can have a little Robby. As a treat.

[unkempt kelp]

You can't pick a bad John Carpenter movie

[drifting frigate]

This is 100% true. Even one with Tom Arnold is still a winner.

[pearl harbor]

I feel like there's a little joke in there somewhere.

[burnt matrix]

They Live

[unkempt kelp]

Hahahaha

[burnt matrix]

LOL you’re not supposed to reveal my trolling!

[drifting frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/snap-instantly-just-like-that-in-an-instance-suddenly-gif-16887100

So quick question @ripe valley, have you submitted the rollback to the MiSTer devel Saturn branch? Since SRG320 doesn't use the discord, it might be useful. If you have and I've missed it, ignore me (or if you've updated an open issue/etc).

[tough star]

porkchop went crazy testing 😄

I filled the gaps this morning

[drifting frigate]

Well, when the chips are down....

[burnt matrix]

he’s the Porkchop Express not the Porkchop Stop n Go

HUEEHUEHUEHUEHUEEEE

[tough star]

One Stop Porkchop

[unkempt kelp]

I like a challenge

My favorite discovery was Minnesota Fats - Pool Legend (USA) (R)

Not a joke

great music

Fun virtual pool

I dig it

[burnt matrix]

yeah people say it’s good

[unkempt kelp]

It's in my _BEST_ folder now

[burnt matrix]

omg I want to know what else is in there

[unkempt kelp]

A few games were evicted

I can't remember which

My favorites are probably the typical ones

[burnt matrix]

Virtual Hydlide, Bug, Bug Too are my favorites

[unkempt kelp]

A man of fine taste

@inner token remind me what the status of Saturn SNAC is. I haven't tracked the resource utilization of the latest builds to know how tight it already is.

[thorn pagoda]

he posted a build the other day

[unkempt kelp]

Thanks, I see it

With the recent cores being pretty stable, I'm just speculating on mainline integration.

[inner token]

space is getting really tight, I'm starting to worry. I need to try to rework some things to simplify and minimize the snac code. I'm not 100 percent happy with it right now.

[inner kayak]

I don't see it in the pins -- what should I add to my updater.ini to download the latest Saturn core?

I did try the saturn sindle SDRAM updater script as well, but either way only fetches one from October

[unkempt kelp]

This is my unstable updater. Mods can remove it if they'd like. It's based off of @tough star's PSX updater. PaisleyBoxers made a few improvements to it. Comment out exit if you want to get the unstable main as well. This makes an _Unstable folder and puts all unstable cores there. N64 isn't included since those are test builds, but there's another script for just N64.

[inner kayak]

Thanks! My N64 updater script works fine 😉

[serene thunder]

unstable mister

[tough star]

I am thinking about consolidating all FAQs on 1 page

Including a script section

And then have sections

[craggy horizon]

Is it known that the game "Astal" hangs on load in the 20240206 and 20240210 unstable builds? Works for me in the 20240202 unstable. This is on single RAM.

Compat spreadsheet shows it working as of the 20240204 build. I'll try to confirm.

EDIT: Confirmed, works in that build.

[misty raven]

I have 3 copies of Astal: 1S, 2S, 3S. In latest core 1S and 2S don’t boot but 3S does.

[craggy horizon]

I have 3S. It doesn't boot for me in 20240206 and later.

[misty raven]

It boots for me in 20240210. Mister Main v231108

[craggy horizon]

Maybe that's why -- I'm on today's MiSTer unstable.

[misty raven]

Yeah I haven’t been updating main unless I hear there’s a reason to

[craggy horizon]

I've had other reasons to need to.

Thanks, just wanted to make sure it had been raised. I'll try it with a stable MiSTer build or just wait a week 🙂

[ripe valley]

I've updated an opened issue yesterday, as finally, it's just the 20240202 SMPC code with a single line from the 20240204 changes on that module on the INTBACK command.
WAIT_CNT <= 20'd800; was added as it is needed for Discworld and Primal Rage (Mednafen does the same after some tests on the real hardware).
srg320 changes partially the INTBACK command and OREG register on the 20240204 and I think there is a good reason why (maybe some ressources as my compile is at 96% of LUT usage with that revert and the 20240210 version is at 94%).

[crude thicket]

Has anyone else been able to complete SotN patched on the Saturn core? It seems to get stuck at the Succubus fight for me. I can't seem to find any complaints from others about the compatibility.
I'm on single RAM analog IO, latest build (but also happens on the update_all build). I've yet to try an unpatched bin/cue though. Perhaps it's the patch causing issues.

[mortal mist]

japan version works fine,

Akumajō Dracula X: Gekka no Yasōkyoku Completable 20240206 Vampier Dracula X: Nocturne in the Moonlight Ultimate (PSP Script) (English Patched) will lock up after you defeat Succubus - this not not a FPGA core problem

note on compabillity list

[crude thicket]

Is there another compatibility list somewhere? The one I have doesn't seem to have it on there.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BpCRjALSAAe4lQGfaJgoiDZu6aLFrVOLdSEJqN4EgIg/edit#gid=1672748014

[mortal mist]

yes

it;s correct

[mortal mist]

It's all there , Japanese games tab, item no. 16

Akumajo Dracula X

[crude thicket]

I didn't notice the JP tab, thanks

[mortal mist]

works ok for me, 20240210, single sdram 2.9 , Astal USA 1S

[ripe valley]

Walrus stage on Rockman X4 is also impacted by the same bug as Batsugun.

[frail token]

So I think @unkempt kelp had a good question about the compatibility chart. When it says only 5 games completable, I assume that means that it's so low simply because nobody has tried to complete every game?

If so, I wonder if we could amend it to say "confirmed completable" or something, so people don't see that number and run away lol

[burnt matrix]

Yeah it's low because of that.

and that's a good point "confirmed completable" is a subtle way of inferring that the rest might be completable but no one has done it yet

[frail token]

yeah some kind of wording change maybe? I have a friend who is like the most extreme case of "picking apart" etc. ever and I showed him that chart and he flipped lol

"only 5 games zomg it's trash" lol

I had to explain that it's probably unreasonable to expect everyone to complete every Saturn game 100% every couple of days

[burnt matrix]

how do I request access to edit the sheet, I am a dummy

I figured it out, I am a smarty

[frail token]

https://tenor.com/view/skeptical-gif-25366675

[burnt matrix]

I legitimately figured it out after I posted it that lol

[frail token]

it do be that way sometimes

[old pasture]

I'll be Live Streaming SEGA Saturn in an hour. If you're free, come and say hi.

[frail token]

I'm not free, it's $20/hr

[old pasture]

Sounds good, please send the invoice to @naive whale 👍

[naive whale]

I only accept pounds sterling

[unkempt kelp]

It was someone on Twitter, but I responded that it's due to lack of testing, not due to core issues (that we know of)

[frail token]

Right exactly

I think that's important

[ancient surge]

I don't like the compatibility chart for that reason. It's just so easy to accidentally spread misinformation.

[frail token]

well perhaps some notes or wording changes can help

[unkempt kelp]

It's not hard to understand, imo

Anyone and everyone can test games to completion, but knowing the % of games playable is a good metric of the core

[frail token]

I just think it's unclear what "completed" means in that context, when people see only 5 games are completable they might take it literally

[unkempt kelp]

Change it to "completed" then but honestly people can 1) check out the core for themself, or 2) ask questions which get answered.

[frail token]

I just really need someone to be a surrogate and talk to my buddy about MiSTer because he wears me out with stuff like that lol

[unkempt kelp]

You can't win them all haha

[frail token]

I honestly kind of wish I hadn't gotten him into MiSTer 🤣'

[unkempt kelp]

I have 1 real life friend that has a MiSTer

Idk what that says about me

@mortal mist and @tough star can we change Completable to Completed?

[frail token]

would confirmed completed be more descriptive?

[mortal mist]

No prob

[frail token]

confirmed completable? 🤔

[mortal mist]

Completable means nothing more than a game that can be fully completed from start to finish. It would probably be better to simply add this information to the description on the main page to dispel any doubts.

[naive whale]

Swing by Chicago and ill buy you a beer. Double that IRL friend list haha

[frail token]

there you go

just something that informs the reader that the number is how many have been confirmed, not the total number possible

[unkempt kelp]

In context it's fine but out of context some people assume that Completable is an exclusive list rather than an open list

[frail token]

right

[mortal mist]

Then let's dispense with the phrase completable at this stage

Since it creates such confusion

[ripe valley]

New update!

[burnt matrix]

👁️ 👄 👁️

[ripe valley]

And no, @burnt matrix I'm not srg320.

[burnt matrix]

LOL DMADMNASDJMKASDFadsjkf;

[ripe valley]

😂

[burnt matrix]

i was typing that LOL

[ripe valley]

The SMPC regression fix is a little bit more accurate than my patchwork.

[mortal mist]

nice update 🙂

[burnt matrix]

yeah but you found it and provided a great working example, thank you for doing that!

[naive whale]

what dis

[mortal mist]

new commits

new core

more tests

[naive whale]

Yes but is that just the patchwork fix that was from yesterday? Sorry capturing and typing at the same time lol

[mortal mist]

more issues 😛

[burnt matrix]

more youtube content

[mortal mist]

haha

[ripe valley]

srg320 fixed the mess done on the SMPC changes from 2024/02/04.
Some status flags were incorrectly set between step actions on the chip & contrary commands were fired and catched at the same time (race condition).
That's why sometimes you could boot Guardian Heroes and sometimes not. Or other games literally could not respond to inputs anymore.

Like "read the input" and "stop reading" at the same time.

[naive whale]

Perfect thx. Have Saturn texting vid at 4 on whats improved last time so I can move these fixes to next vid

[ripe valley]

I don't feel so good at the moment, so I will probably skip the testing session this time (or only update some issues later tonight or tomorrow).

[mortal mist]

get well soon !

[mortal mist]

Guardian Heroes , Rayman, Quarterback works fine 🙂

[frail token]

That's just what srg320 would say if he was using an alt account

[mortal mist]

Assault Suit Leynos 2 still crashes after a while

Corpse Killer works fine

Worms no change

@tough star Slam n Jam 96 works now 🙂

[unkempt kelp]

How to test the Japanese library

[mortal mist]

better not to test 😛

[unkempt kelp]

That's the C button. Enable turbo for it and tape it down

Occasionally you have to tape down the A button

[mortal mist]

@unkempt kelp please retest bootable games 🙂

[unkempt kelp]

Which region?

[mortal mist]

USA

[unkempt kelp]

And with today's build?

[mortal mist]

yes, some works fine now

[unkempt kelp]

cool

right after I finish these visual novel games without knowing Japanese

[naive whale]

lmk the list for testing on the next vid

looks like Guardian heroes, Corpse Killer, Slam n Jam 96, Rayman

[mortal mist]

Quarterback

[naive whale]

Wuarterback attack?

[mortal mist]

yeaahhh 🙂

[naive whale]

oh joy 🤣

[hearty marten]

@wise brook , @ripe valley I'm not sure when exactly it was fixed, but I just checked the FMVs in Sakura Wars on today's build and they're no longer too dark. I notice that the thin corrupted line still appears on the right hand side, but otherwise the FMVs are much better than they were 🎉

[mortal mist]

Three Dirty Dwarves

[acoustic sable]

@fallen turret the channel which is here

[fallen turret]

Is the current build for the snac core still the pinned one?

[mortal mist]

#1046941029296779344 message

latest

[stiff patrol]

Snac core does lag behind the bleeding edge

its really not worth it unless you need analog triggers on a 3d controller

[unkempt kelp]

And (eventually) light guns

[stiff patrol]

but currently best to just use a Reflex Adapt

from some Joker in Idaho

[frail token]

google translate I guess? Would be tedious though

in camera mode

[fallen turret]

Thank you!

[stiff patrol]

https://misteraddons.com/products/reflex-adapt

[unkempt kelp]

When someone gives me pushback from now on

[tough star]

@unkempt kelp corpse killer works

[mortal mist]

yes, great game 😛

[stiff patrol]

Thats Robby before Coffee

[tough star]

@mortal mist hey 😄

stop it

I was editing

[unkempt kelp]

That was me haha

We tested at the same time

[tough star]

lol

you get credit then lol

[unkempt kelp]

I posted a screenshot just before you

No, all good

[mortal mist]

you see!!! it;s HIM

[unkempt kelp]

I can't test much more this week

Go nuts!

Double Switch is playable

[tough star]

fifa 97

@mortal mist I updated slam to playable based on what you said 😄

[mortal mist]

it certainly works 🙂

I will retest all the games I have with the new core

[tough star]

World Series Baseball 98

no difference

[mortal mist]

I'm "ripping" a disc to check it out 😛

[unkempt kelp]

World Series Baseball 98 doesn't boot for me @tough star. Black screen after the Saturn logo

[mortal mist]

single sdram plebs !!!

maybe works with dual 😉

[unkempt kelp]

I wish I had dual SDRAM

[ripe valley]

Tenchi wo Kurau II - Sekiheki no Tatakai (Japan), World Series Baseball 98 (USA), Night Warriors - Darkstalkers (USA), Vampire Savior (Japan) & Vampire Hunter - Darkstalkers' Revenge (Japan) aren't working at the moment.

srg320 didn't had time to fix every cases on the SMPC earlier, especially if we need the INTBACK_BREAK command.
And... we need that command for those games.

[mortal mist]

looking forward to the new digital i/o 🙂

[tough star]

too bad -

[stiff patrol]

Maybe you know someone selling Ram

[tough star]

tried single controllers/dual controller

the game works - no controller input detected

[ripe valley]

For Worms, it's something else needed.

[unkempt kelp]

Super Tempo (Japan) still doesn't boot on Single SDRAM

[tough star]

yes I said that literally 3 lines above your comment 😄

[unkempt kelp]

Shutsudou! Miniskirt Police this game looks like a trap

[mortal mist]

same for DS

[ripe valley]

Super Tempo is the evil to support on Saturn SW emulation, so must be the same with the core.

All SW emus have hacks for that game.

[frail token]

So am I reading this right, more games playable with this core?

[tough star]

98.4%

@unkempt kelp what game is good to test old ram with?

[mortal mist]

very very nice 🙂

[mortal mist]

all 🙂

[tough star]

I get audio on all

no issues with audio on castlavania at all

[mortal mist]

my v2.4 works ok too 🙂

Sega Rally etc.

maybe we are lucky

[tough star]

@unkempt kelp thanks for making good stuff 😄

Test in style

[alpine pagoda]

If I want to see if there’s been any change on old ram I usually try sega rally (music and engine sounds drop out during first race) and nights (music drops out when game starts)

[fallen turret]

I have the SNAC core but I'm not getting any input out of my 3d control pad, I have snac set to on and port 1. pad 1 is set to off, but nothing happens with the controller, even after rebooting the MiSTer and going back into the core after saving my settings.

How can I fix this?

[unkempt kelp]

In 2019 made 53 SDRAM modules by hand in one day. It took 14 hours? I was completely shook. Haven't soldered an SDRAM module in 4 or more years!

[tough star]

we die hard testers have all the tright controllers 😄

[frail token]

yeah just saw that after I commented lol

[tough star]

@mortal mist - where did completed go?

[unkempt kelp]

@ripe valley Do you have edit access to the spreadsheet?

[mortal mist]

ehhh

[frail token]

I think it got the kibosh since there was controversy lol

[tough star]

atleast make an extra field to set to completed

[mortal mist]

#1046941029296779344 message

[tough star]

@mortal mist someone removed it form all the sheets

[mortal mist]

yes, me

[tough star]

why?

[mortal mist]

too confused for people

[tough star]

atleast put a field back with completed

that way we know the game can be completed

I added a field at the end

[mortal mist]

thanks 🙂

[tough star]

what were the other game that could be completed?

[mortal mist]

Guardian Heroes, Sega Rally two versions, Tomb Raider , Daytona, Panzer Dragoon

Thunder Force V

Dead or Alive

[naive whale]

I finished Saturn Bomberman forever ago

so I know that WAS beatable at some point in 2023...maybe around october

[tough star]

@mortal mist I'll also change the game name to green

easier to track

[unkempt kelp]

I get a black screen for Assault Suit Leynos 2 with today's build

[mortal mist]

it;s hangs but should go ingame

[unkempt kelp]

Right

Didn't want to overwrite Zet-sensei's note

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/89

[mortal mist]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/106

here is issue for freeze 🙂

[inner token]

nice job with all the testing guys 👍

[frail token]

I'm excited to see all the progress here and in N64

[pearl harbor]

The Saturn progress has been especially exciting for me lately. Very fun to see and test!

[unkempt kelp]

MiSTer is a dream come true

[mortal mist]

new core works very well 🙂

[frail token]

I know this is dumb but I've been using the Saturn and N64 cores as an excuse to finally explore the libraries

[naive whale]

haha thats exactly what MiSTer is

a good excuse to play shit

[frail token]

right

[pearl harbor]

Not dumb at all! I think most of us do exactly that!

[mortal mist]

when testing the N64, I learned that I am not a fan of games for this platform 🙂

there are only a few games I can play

[frail token]

lol

[naive whale]

MiSTer is the only time now I actually play a video game for fun

[craggy horizon]

Works for me on MiSTer stable. It was MiSTer_unstable causing my problem.

[hearty marten]

Messing around with the Saturn core just now. It really feels like it must be close to being “finished”, unless I’ve just been lucky with my testing

[naive whale]

its similar to N64...some games probably are "FINISHED" feature set wise. Others aren't. So some games you get the 1:1 hardware experience for sure

[hearty marten]

N64 core feels amazing, aside from Conker’s being broken, which I am desperate to play, but holding off until it works 😭

[tawny forge]

Is the core working with all RAM versions now?

[naive whale]

2.5 has had more luck lately but I dont think ALL ram versions

I know the four chip isnt great

and isnt supported

[tawny forge]

4 chips is super crap, so I don't expect that to be ever supported

So v2.5 improvements?? Whoa! Gotta check that out!

Thanks, Mr. Bacon!

[tranquil mulch]

I played the single player on Saturn Bomberman and it was super cute

[naive whale]

@gloomy hedge has 2.5V and had luck on the core updates getting games to work that never did

I have 2.9V and 3.0V duals...I retired my 2.5V module

[tawny forge]

@umbral radish was having issues too. Any improvements on your side with latest fixes?

[frail token]

any chance the bosses in MMX4 are fixed?

[mortal mist]

for me it works ok, I had no problem

I think only one person reported a problem with it

[frail token]

I thought it was a common issue? It was crashing for me

[mortal mist]

don't know

[frail token]

like I couldn't get past the first stage when the red dude shows up

[mortal mist]

works ok for me

[frail token]

hmm alrighty

[sacred goblet]

No more régression in Rayman control.

[mortal mist]

yeah works ok

[gloomy hedge]

is it me

[naive whale]

I have zero real life friends who play video games so haha

[gloomy hedge]

WHAT ABOUT ME

IM REAL

https://tenor.com/view/jlo-jennifer-lopez-dance-moves-gif-3359889237733644778

[naive whale]

hahaha

we haven't technically met yet

[gloomy hedge]

WHAT DOES JA THINK? HAS ANYONE ASKED JA?

jk so ahem anyways

[gloomy hedge]

true

I could be a bot

[unkempt kelp]

I went to a Ja Rule concert in Idaho last year

It was so fun

[stiff patrol]

is Ja Rule a trendy Beat combo the youngsters listen too ?

[kind stump]

https://tenor.com/view/noooo-monica-calling-name-calling-monica-gif-14383731

[unkempt kelp]

Legendary

It was at a native american casino

[cyan tapir]

I tested MMX4 USA and JAP on the new Saturn_unstable_20240212_18e57f core.

The problem with bosses' speeches at JAP continues in the same way. In the USA the game doesn't crash on bosses but sometimes the audio of the bosses music stops playing. Features some artifacts in Mega Man 8.

[pearl harbor]

We are all fake friends confirmed!
||I'm kidding, I know what you meant!||

[cyan tapir]

Rockman 8 issue

On Core 2024/02/04 no issue in Rockman 8

[naive whale]

you are my favorite Wisconsinite. You hear that @sudden tusk !

left a present in #share-media

[naive whale]

How dare we have fun! 🤣

[drifting frigate]

"Same reason you're commenting on YouTube videos instead of writing a novel."

[sinful verge]

My friend just tested Saturn core for the first time with his v2.5 sdram that he got from ebay years ago and it's running fine like 2.9/3.0 rams. Anyone else with 2.5 ram that's running fine?

I have 2.5 ram that's not so great like everyone else

[trim nimbus]

I have 2.5 and it is fine. It is really just luck of the draw.

[cursive ravine]

my 2.5 doesn't cut off audio in sega rally anymore. I think it's better but still not as good as 2.9/3.0

[trim nimbus]

Actually, I might have a 2.4 even

[sinful verge]

lucky!!

where did you get it from?

[cursive ravine]

it seems that some old rams are fine now. or maybe even most. I think I saw only one person saying theyre still having issues on 2.5

[trim nimbus]

Misterfpga.co.uk back in 2019ish

[sinful verge]

nice. ok gotta go try new builds

[topaz path]

Are you on the latest version? There were recent changes to DDR code

[topaz path]

Yeah do that

[sinful verge]

i got from mister addons on june 2020. my friend got from ebay on april 2020

[trim nimbus]

I have been meaning to get a new one to build a dual ram setup, but I basically just need to build a new tower- I have a blisster that I never use, and I want a newer digital io board for the extra io on snack port and the ability to run dual ram

[tough star]

My memory is from feb 2020 through march 2021

Except for a pop with sega rally when the rally starts it all works great

[unkempt kelp]

It's not as though some assemblers made the design work better

The older SDRAM had noisier 3.3V power to the SDRAM chips

[alpine pagoda]

Does the latest core need unstable mister too?

[frail token]

Nope

[sinful verge]

Ok did some quick tests of 20240212 build. Daytona USA intro roll music doesn't drop anymore but other games I tried are about the same. Sega Rally music drop during intro, Cotton 2 sound drop/crash, etc.

I guess there are just too much variance amongst old rams. Wonder why that is

Lemme have your ram lol

Sega Rally music drops pretty quickly and sound effects are f'ed for me

[alpine pagoda]

I’ll try to test mine tonight, that’s exactly how it’s always been for me

[unkempt kelp]

Sound effects are still clipped or buggy with new SDRAM

Several of the games that don't boot are CPS2 ports

Cyberbots
Vampire Hunter
Vampire Savior```

[sinful verge]

Well... we're not talking about those games... I'm comparing games that are known to be running fine with good ram

[wooden dew]

My 2.5 never ran into any of the troubles other people seemed to have

My speed test was above 130, don't remember the exact number

[sinful verge]

Where did you get your ram? I got like 140 but still have problems

[wooden dew]

Misteraddons... I was also using dual ram so that might have made a difference

[sinful verge]

Ah dang, cool

[thick oriole]

I haven't done any extensive testing, but my 2.5 is stable at 144 MHz, and seems pretty solid so far.

[quaint dove]

I'm out of the loop. Does saturn support CHD nowadays?

[thorn pagoda]

yeah

[quaint dove]

What's the typical compression on CHD anyways?

[thorn pagoda]

varies but maybe 50% on average

[quaint dove]

Trying to figure out if I have enough space to compress them in place.

[unkempt kelp]

Make folders and do them in smaller batches 🙂

[quaint dove]

I may just modify the chd.sh script I found to send them to the server as soon as they're chdified then delete the local copy

[quaint dove]

yay it worked i'm going to bed and just hoping i wake up to 100% success

[quick sorrel]

If you've ever had a zipped Saturn game, the CHD will be roughly that size, as it seems to rip out all of the "fill up the blank space on the CD" space.

[quaint dove]

when this is done i'm gonna sell my MASE.

should no longer need it

[quick sorrel]

What's a MASE?

[quaint dove]

SATA -> USB adapter with a 3D printed case that your MiSTer can be stacked on.

https://retrofrog.net/products/mase-mister-attached-storage-enclosure?variant=40170021781687

[quick sorrel]

Oh I've seen that a long time ago. Still might be a good idea if you're someone who likes the entire library on the system.

[quaint dove]

My fileserver has piles of space and I think I've been plugging too much stuff in and making the MASE have USB power problems. :\

May as well go ethernet

[quick sorrel]

Or get a higher rated PS.

[quaint dove]

It's already like 4amps.

[quick sorrel]

Can't hurt to go ethernet then.

[ripe valley]

Sorry for the lack of response, I need to take a break and my physician said today to get some rest for several days.

I don't have an edit access on the spreadsheet, and at the moment, I will prefer to try to keep up on the issue reports more when I feel better.
Compatibility reports are interesting, but I think I feel I could be more useful with issue reporting and ticketing so far.

[ripe valley]

Could you report that issue too on the GitHub (with a copy of that video), it should be interesting for srg320 to take a look quite rapidly.
Thanks.

[topaz path]

I left my machine running last night on 1500 individually 7zip’d multi-bin files, for each 1) un-7z 2) binmerge to single bin 3) chdman to chd 4) combine multidisc games to single folder

I wonder if it’s done yet…

[oak cedar]

Why are you doing the binmerge step before chdman instead of just unpack the 7z and then chdman?? Do you need both chd and cue+bin formats or something?

[ripe valley]

I've never done a binmerge operation before doing the CHD part.

[stiff patrol]

quicker just to redownload the CHD set

[topaz path]

binmerge only takes about half a second so I just left it in the pipeline. SSD write cycles be damned

[ancient surge]

I found another problem.

Monster Slider seems to have a bug that causes cutscenes to not work properly. The cutscene where the characters interact with each other has a habit of just stopping randomly like it's struggling to load the text and animation, and the small cutscene before a match starts weirdly causes characters to recite all their voice clips. It also crashed trying to load a match, but I think that was just a fluke since it happened only once.

[unkempt kelp]

I don't know if you really wanted to binmerge though. The CHD script that I use works with multi-bins

[topaz path]

You end up with the same effect, AFAIK. If you uncompress with chdman you just get a single bin back

[ancient surge]

https://streamable.com/5v8mhg

Yeah this is definately not normal.

[burnt matrix]

lol what game is that

[tough star]

what am I looking at?

and why isn't it normal?

[ancient surge]

Monster Slider. It's one of the falling block puzzle games in a similar vein to Puyo Puyo, with the main gimmick being that you can shift the board to make the pieces slide to the left or right.

[burnt matrix]

Sounds cool!

[ancient surge]

The cutscene is not that drawn out. Normally characters only say one line then the match starts, but here the game is cycling through every line and dragging it out a lot longer than it should.

[mortal mist]

I see that in many games there is a problem with strange lines , glitches in graphics.

[burnt matrix]

Yeah, it’s most noticeable in Croc, I believe.

[mortal mist]

Vandal hearts

same in Panzer Dragoon Saga

and more

[burnt matrix]

I only play Croc, sorry

[mortal mist]

I just wanted to give examples in which games I found it 🙂

[burnt matrix]

@mortal mist Oh sorry, I was making a bad joke. I thought it was most visible in Croc but clearly I was super wrong lol. Goes to show how important it is to have awesome testers like yourself.

[tough star]

polygonal-tearing

Does the saturn have polygon smoothing?

[burnt matrix]

Yeah, it supports gourod shading but that’s not yet implemented

[ancient surge]

Yeah Dino Island is unplayable.

Also selecting an option breaks the audio.

[tough star]

sounds delicious.. I'll have that with a nice red wine 😉

[thorn pagoda]

is gourad shading fully missing or just bugged?

[burnt matrix]

That’s a good question, I do not know.

[mortal mist]

it;s partialy implemented

[tough star]

well then that probably is the explaination for the gaps

[ripe valley]

Blending is not implemented.

As far as I've read the source code of the core.

[ancient surge]

CDDA and gouraud shading are the more major problems plaguing multiple games, and I have no clue when that will be fixed.

[tough star]

oh well - give it time

[ripe valley]

Monster Slider have a problem which is NOT SMPC related, so it should be reported on the issue tracker.
I don't have Dino Island on my systems.

[ancient surge]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/123

[ripe valley]

Purrfect.

[unkempt kelp]

I saw something similar in Pocket Fighter yesterday on the left side of the character select screen

[ancient surge]

Already did that, with videos for better context.

[unkempt kelp]

A short section of missing/ blue pixels

[ripe valley]

Some Capcom games broke with the framebuffer changes, like Megaman/Rockman 8 and Pocket Fighter.

[ancient surge]

Yumimi Mix Remix is having problems with loading backgrounds.

[tough star]

just add it to the test sheet

visual asset loading/displaying issues

[ripe valley]

Cyberbots (when I correct/revert the SMPC changes) have a black background on the title screen instead of a dark blue one.

So, framebuffer and SMPC fixes are needed once again.

[unkempt kelp]

Does that also apply to Vampire Hunter and Vampire Savior?

[ancient surge]

"If I see that fucking face wall again I swear TO GOD"

[unkempt kelp]

I marked those a Bootable yesterday

[ripe valley]

Vampire Hunter and Savior are broken with the SMPC changes, I can use them once again when reverting.

BUT, my last internal test version have Primal Rage and Discworld broken once again.

That's why I've not shared it and not creating a pseudo-'fork', as we want srg320 to do it accurately and correctly.
The SMPC code before the 2024/02/04 version was almost working but it was hacky.
The new code is more accurate when testing against real hardware, so 'let him cook'.

[ancient surge]

Slightly surprised the text boxes work, unlike Dino Island.

[tough star]

f-ing nurds.... the lot of you 😄

[ripe valley]

Said someone who uses a MiSTer instead of a Pi.

😏

[unkempt kelp]

Haha

I went through my favorite Japanese games folder yesterday

Only to remove some of them as favorites

Those must have been online recommendations

[ripe valley]

Shutsudou! Miniskirt Police is not in your 'favorite' folder ? 😂

[unkempt kelp]

Hahah SKIIIIIIP

I would never admit to testing that one

[ripe valley]

Neither I do.

[ancient surge]

Bouken Katsugeki Mono Mono is missing the graphic for text boxes.

[ripe valley]

A VDP layer should have a problem with the new framebuffer code.

That's already a lot of cases with similiar issues.

EDIT : Not so sure with Yumimi Mix Remix.

[ancient surge]

Yes this game is definitely having issues with rendering the tilesets.

[ripe valley]

A nice issue report to do.

[burnt matrix]

What game is that?

Oh I see

[ripe valley]

Bouken Katsugeki Mono Mono

[burnt matrix]

So many cool looking Japanese Saturn games

[ancient surge]

Yeah like I said before, I'm trying to vet the Japanese games in particular, since people have a habit of ignoring them when it comes to trying to find problems.

I'm not blaming anyone in particular, since SEGA Saturn is inherently a Japan biased system in terms of game library.

[unkempt kelp]

Idk, I tested more than 90 Japanese games yesterday

But I likely won't test many more

[ancient surge]

The only thing I'm dreading is eventually trying to vet the glut of adventure/visual novel type games, because the SEGA Saturn actually has a lot of those type of games.

After Burner is having problems with loading again. 💢

[tawny forge]

Did srg320 asked for a tests hackathon?

I wonder he's still in the middle of a big code refactoring?

[frail token]

you could just set up your phone with google translate in camera mode on a tripod lol

or a tablet

[unkempt kelp]

No, I was just excited to see how stable the core was and really hope the core is single SDRAM compatible 🙂

[tawny forge]

It will probably be when regressions are fixed. Let's pray 🙏

[quaint dove]

Waking up to my queue only 75% done - I hate that you're right.

[ripe valley]

Some SMPC regression, the game works with my internal build.

We will see with the next version if it's corrected, as I saw srg320 was working on it and released it as WIP code.
That's why he wrote "an attempt to fix...".

[ancient surge]

No, but I still want to report on issues on the GitHub for the sake of documentation.

The more issues known, the faster problems can be fixed.

[pearl harbor]

I thought you only played Magic Knight Baby-earth!

Well that and Virtual Hydlide.

[naive whale]

Virtual @burnt matrix Lide

its Virtual Hydlide but it takes place in Texas and its just Robby running around in a speedo playing "adventurer"

[hearty marten]

Definitely. Would be good to get some recommendations from those who know the Japanese library well 🙂

[burnt matrix]

That’s basically just me on the weekends

[naive whale]

Lupin the 3rd: Pyramid no Kenja

fun japanese exclusive

Bubble Symphony also

Policenauts

[hearty marten]

Already got bubble symphony, probably from your recommendation in one of your videos. 😄

[naive whale]

Sam Sho IV

Psychic Assassin Taromaru

Twinkle Star Sprites

Game Tengoku

Astra Superstar

[hearty marten]

Thanks. Written them all down 🙂

[ripe valley]

Elevator Action Returns
Sakura Taisen / Sakura Wars
Purikura Daisakusen
Game Tengoku

[naive whale]

PuLiRuLa is a banger too. Weird but good

[hearty marten]

Thanks. Loads of new things to try!

[burnt matrix]

Bug and Bug Too are worth playing

[hearty marten]

I’ve read about your love of Bug 😂

[tough star]

@subtle seal gave these examples on twitter

this is Mister (below)

^^ this is how it should look

https://twitter.com/TheRealZophar/status/1757435165897331082

Zophar (@TheRealZophar) on X

@MisterAddons @SargeSmash1 @VampierMSX And white streaks are still present. BTW, don't want this to seem like I'm nitpicking, but there's enough things to work out that while 100% playable and fun, I wouldn't use the Saturn core to speedrun Virtual Hydlide yet if you're looking for accuracy. But exciting nonetheless!

Twitter · Feb 13, 2024, 4:02 PM

[wooden dew]

Before you buy new ram, try resetting the core settings. I was having SOTN sound issues that I thought were RAM related, and they were due to a removed core debug option still being enabled.

[subtle seal]

The freaking game is burned into my brain from speedrunning it thousands of times. Every time I try to escape it, Jim comes back for more. 😉

[ancient surge]

> Jim has entered the chat

[alpine pagoda]

still have the same problems here on multisystem ram. sega rally drops engine sounds and music, managed to get through a couple of races on first boot, but only maybe 20-30 seconds after that. seems to drop faster with the inside cockpit view. no music in nights (does nights music work for everyone else?).

[mortal mist]

These lines are in many games

(white streaks)

[strong hull]

Not sure this is a bug because I have no experience at all with the Saturn outside this core, but the aim on Panzer Dragoon looks grayish on the core and yellowish on a Game Sack video

[ripe valley]

Already known issue.

[strong hull]

Sorry!

[ripe valley]

Better twice than never.

[shadow merlin]

I’m at not at home to check but they definitely used to work, at least in the English translation

[analog totem]

yep, just tried the yumimi mix translation and confirm the missing backgrounds

[ancient surge]

For context I was just using an unmodified version of the game, so I'm not sure if the fan translation changes anything or not.

So I'm assuming it's a regression if it did work previously, but now it doesn't.

[tough star]

for testing guidelines - only official dumps (re-dump dumps preferred)

we ran into an issue with the Castlevania SotN utlimate translations soft locking after the succubus fight

[analog totem]

yep fair enough, I just tried the translation since I had it and it was mentioned that it was working previously

[tough star]

but the re-dump worked fine

[analog totem]

not gonna update the sheet since I haven’t tried the standard version

[ripe valley]

It's a regression, as the game worked earlier this month.

But now, let's find WHEN it broke (with other games).

[ancient surge]

Just another victim of the coding overhaul...

[ripe valley]

Another one bites the dust.

[tough star]

it's to be expected

that's why we're testing 🙂

[ripe valley]

Yumimi Remix broke with the last version (20240212), 20240210 works.

[subtle seal]

Yeah Vampier was explaining it’s due to the current lack of Gourant shading support.

[pearl harbor]

Yeah, it stands out in some games more than others. Nights into Dreams looks pretty bad without that support.

[subtle seal]

makes sense

[naive whale]

I put up some panzer dragoon prototype build videos on #share-media I had some issues running them on MiSTer

[tough star]

@naive whale we gave you content - and even numbers to go with the saturn core

[naive whale]

Soon. It’s edited. Just need to voice it over. Probably Thursday

I just ran Saturn so I don’t want to run another so soon. But I made something special like I did for N64 awhile ago

[tough star]

it was fun to see the list come together

[naive whale]

I edited together a little “where we are, where we started” vid. Some of the earliest 2022 test videos next to the most recent ones

[tough star]

oh cool

[naive whale]

Title is “Core hits a milestone of XX% playable”

[tough star]

from glitchfest to cool

[naive whale]

It’s ready for VO but tomorrow I’m off

[trim nimbus]

Off? What is more romantic than multiplayer bomberman?

[trim nimbus]

Lots of good valentines paper rock scissor games 😆

[burnt matrix]

huh

[quick sorrel]

I like how Steam Heart’s says 18yo and up sorta implies it’s porn 😂

[trim nimbus]

Someone hasn’t played the pc engine version.

[winter phoenix]

Bulk Slash and Stellar Assault SS! And Cotton 2!

also Sakura Wars and Vampire Savior! Nearly all my favorite Saturn games only came out in Japan 😆

[winter phoenix]

they're referring to all the strip jan-ken-pon games on the Saturn

[analog totem]

Yeah I was streaming Saturn testing yesterday and someone told me not to do Steam Hearts, so I beat the first boss offstream and yeahhhh, I might have to double check my romset one more time to quarantine some games

[burnt matrix]

lol why does the Saturn have that

Isn’t that an arcade thing

[winter phoenix]

The Saturn is an arcade-at-home beast 💪

[burnt matrix]

Damn you Saturn fans, always a good answer for everything

[winter phoenix]

dun watch if ur parents r at home https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xr9AIMehtIE

[trim nimbus]

A good list of games to quarantine: https://www.segaretro.org/Category:Eroge

[quaint dove]

“quarantine”

[burnt matrix]

Ogree games?

Like Shrek games?

[trim nimbus]

They have many layers.

That typically get removed.

[burnt matrix]

“Haunted Casino”

lmaooo

[trim nimbus]

But if that is a serious question it is a Japanese portmanteau of erotic game.

[burnt matrix]

erotic Shrek games?

[trim nimbus]

Be careful what you wish for 😄

[clear condor]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-donkey-compensating-thinking-gif-3683673

[burnt matrix]

Ok so wouldn’t it be eroga?

ohhhh right gemu

[trim nimbus]

Yeah, thanks to the a sound being closer to え

[burnt matrix]

lol these names

“Mega Cheril Perils”

Wait that’s not a Saturn game

I feel robbed

[trim nimbus]

Yeah, don’t think it is strictly Saturn. I didn’t do too deep a dive 😆

[burnt matrix]

Man this is wild

I assumed it wouldn’t be allowed cause it’s adult content and they’re strict about that stuff

[trim nimbus]

They got stricter during the Saturn lifetime I believe.

[burnt matrix]

Ohhh

Thanks for teaching me

Eroge sensei

[trim nimbus]

I seem to remember all the mahjong games going from red label to yellow. I was never good enough or motivated enough to verify 😆

[burnt matrix]

I don’t judge, whatever makes people happy and isn’t breaking any laws is cool

[trim nimbus]

Haha, the mpeg card was a much bigger promotion of that content on the Saturn than games.

[burnt matrix]

oh wow they had adult video CDs for the Saturn too!?

Wow, that’s nuts. I had no idea.

[trim nimbus]

Not sure any made specifically for the Saturn.

A video cd is a video cd.

[burnt matrix]

oh right

that’s so funny, no wonder it crushed the N64 lol

[frail token]

https://tenor.com/view/mark-cuban-shark-tank-notes-taking-notes-remember-gif-15073512

[naive whale]

Szechuan hot pot and giving my wife three minutes of sub par romance

[trim nimbus]

Really wish there were a nice sichuan place around here. Been craving some mouth numbing mapo tofu

[sinful verge]

Are these options looking right? 240212 build

[wooden dew]

I think so, is this after resetting the settings? For me, the issue was that some option that was enabled or disabled on an earlier build was no longer exposed through the menu on a more recent one. I had to reset the settings to unset the option that was giving me issues.

Just want to make sure you try everything before you make hardware purchases when the problem might not be hardware related

[sinful verge]

Oh oh I gotcha. I'll go try resetting

[tough star]

@burnt matrix this is the old Rpi 😄

[naive whale]

We’re really spoiled for choice in Chicago

[tough star]

https://tenor.com/view/po-facepalm-gif-27277915

[left hollow]

Awbacon runs the meatless game in Chicago, I believe it

[mortal mist]

Some games I wouldn't even want to complete 😛

[sinful verge]

I tried reset setting but same problems. Thanks for your suggestion anyway

[mortal mist]

that's why it was good to get rid of the "COMPLETABLE" entry haha

[leaden dagger]

You could always add 'I refuse to play' as a category' 😛

[mortal mist]

new core is coming 🙂

super tempo!!!

and greatest game Miniskirt 😛

great progress

[wise brook]

https://tenor.com/view/tempo-sega-sega-saturn-gif-25898373

this is worth a gif

[burnt matrix]

Pi is eternal!

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/raspberry-pi-fire-destroy-hardware-gif-15059302

eternal on fire 😛

[ancient surge]

Oh good Yumimi Remix is getting fixed!

[burnt matrix]

is this good or is that a jan-ken doll game

[naive whale]

lol I am going to have to google what this is

lol exactly what I expected

[mortal mist]

hahaha

[naive whale]

I get this a lot. "But why hasn't anyone checked to see if 80+ hour RPG is beatable yet" .....cause like a dozen people total check and we have other shit to do 🤣

only reason I know Bubble Symphony and Saturn Bomberman are completable is due to the fact that a) they are short and b) my favorites

[mortal mist]

I'm about to finish the Alien Trilogy, but today the remater of Tomb Raider I-III jumped in , so I think I'll take a break from Aliens 🙂

[ripe valley]

YES!

[naive whale]

when its out someone @ me with new working games 🙂 I am going to do a saturn vid tomorrow so I can cut more content in before VO

[quick sorrel]

Wtf happened there? 😂

[hearty marten]

I saw a suggestion in the YouTube comments of one of your other videos for a top 50 (or top X) Saturn game video. This would definitely be cool if you’ve ever got the time/interest. 🙂

[naive whale]

I may do “best x games to play on insert core name here” videos this spring

[hearty marten]

Or a MiSTer community top 50/20 or similar

[naive whale]

I’ve considered it but it’s a LOT of work

[hearty marten]

Oh, awesome! That would be really cool

[naive whale]

I’ve got an idea list a mile long. I kind of sit down and pick what I’m feeling that day. Or else it starts to feel like work

[hearty marten]

Yeah, that makes sense

[naive whale]

Outside of the core update vids. Those are always fun even if they “need to get made” because the testing is always a good time

I have Tuesday morning videos scheduled into 2025 now so I’ve freed up a lot of time since I have content made for the entire year for the tues vids 🤣

[hearty marten]

I always enjoy watching them even if I’ve been following things on discord. It’s a nice way to have all the info presented

[mortal mist]

when you have a MiSTer and start cheating on him with a Pi, then this is how it ends 😛

[naive whale]

OD’d on spark

[quick sorrel]

😂 oh that’s a Pi board? Haven’t seen one in a while nor the DE10

[quick sorrel]

Whoa-ho~ Jackin’ on baby

[naive whale]

Jacking on kills

[quick sorrel]

That or robosexuals 🤷‍♂️

(Seriously glad to see the Futurama love in here)

[burnt matrix]

Quick, who am I:

“I’m gonna do a Saturn vid, hyuuuuuuck!”

[naive whale]

My favorite. Bender is my spirit animal 😂

[naive whale]

You are Robby. An unfunny little Texas man with a chip on his shoulder. Probably sour cream and onion! 🤣

(Just kidding I love you. And I’m sure it’s bbq)

[quick sorrel]

Speaking of, you remember that Futurama DVD set with Bender’s head as the case? I ordered one but it came rather demolished… couldn’t get one at MSRP again. 😭

[burnt matrix]

LOL

This is how I show appreciation

Also you were correct

The hyuuuck was classic Texan

[quick sorrel]

(I thought it was a Goofy thing 🫢

[hearty marten]

I thought it was Yee-haw: https://youtu.be/jaLx4xg5n50

[quick sorrel]

Yeah! That’s the Texas I know 😅

Good old stereotypes 💪

[burnt matrix]

@naive whale you wanted us to @ you when it’s out?

[mortal mist]

ok who is brave and will test the Miniskirt ?

[naive whale]

Just if something like good new games work. Like Super Tempo

I’ve got an entire video edited for tomorrow but I’d cut into it for Tempo or something else good. NOT Miniskirt lol

[burnt matrix]

LOL

[naive whale]

Yep. I have the other box set. The later one I think

This one

[naive whale]

The line between Goofy and Texans is razor thin. Both a bit slow but mostly well meaning

[burnt matrix]

I have this, am I cool

[mortal mist]

futuDrama 😛

[naive whale]

We’re adults on a gaming FPGA discord. Cool died to us all a long time ago 🤣

It’s mostly a fight for “King of the Nerds” for us now

[quick sorrel]

We’re adults? The teen in me begs to differ. And also yells at me for not playing games more often.

[quick sorrel]

Somehow I missed that this even existed.

[naive whale]

Lol I mean I don’t ACT like an adult. But the birth date on my license disagrees

[winter phoenix]

Yeah, Sega stopped allowing red-label games on Saturn after September 1996, IIRC

So all the most ecchi stuff came out before then

[naive whale]

@burnt matrix is the expert on adult Saturn games

He was the lead dev on Robby Does Dallas

[burnt matrix]

it's true

[quick sorrel]

Of course I got ya 😉 Just poking of my ever creeping years and Peter Pan syndrome

[burnt matrix]

I think I knew about Saturn adult games but yesterday someone linked a list in here and wow there's a lot LOL

[quick sorrel]

If there were name tags you might want エロゲマスター　😁

[burnt matrix]

I had no idea, I thought they were strict about that kind of stuff

[quick sorrel]

They are but mostly in censoring. Not for the most porny output on the planet

[burnt matrix]

that's funny

[ripe valley]

It works.
What have we done.

[quick sorrel]

Miniskirts? Hmmmmm hard to say no to that teehee

[burnt matrix]

someone mentioned Yuimimimimi Mix works, that's not an adult game right?

[ripe valley]

Nope, it's a kid game, very cute.

[burnt matrix]

good!

[ripe valley]

It works too once again.

[quick sorrel]

No clue but likelihood is fair

Oh 😅

[ripe valley]

Super Tempo is super, duper wacky too.

I let you see WHERE the 'water' comes from. Ahem.

[burnt matrix]

wat

[mortal mist]

😄

[quick sorrel]

Oh one of those kinds of water pistols eh? Seems like we’re going Crayon Shinchan soon

[ripe valley]

Will not spoil you more. We will be 'surprised'.

Belgians friends will know.

[winter phoenix]

It’s also got a fan translation (Yumimi) https://segaxtreme.net/threads/yumimi-mix-remix-translation.25243/

[quick sorrel]

Oh? A high school setting with a robot? Still could be porn

[mortal mist]

it's just rain 😄

[analog totem]

If no one else will, I’ll take one for the team and test Miniskirt Police…then @naive whale can make a special feature video for just that game

[naive whale]

yeah ill get right on that video lolol

I am 100% not “in office” today so I can’t test but if someone wants to look at this on new core

[analog totem]

The degen game is playable I updated the compat sheet

[frail token]

That's why we changed it lol

Where dat thread at

[burnt matrix]

What’s that?

[analog totem]

Miniskirt Police 👮

[burnt matrix]

DAMNIT lol

[analog totem]

I think Srg can call the core good now if he wants

[analog totem]

It appears that @ripe valley marked that bug as fixed with the 2/12 build. I just played slightly into level 2 and the only thing I noticed was some garbled on screen text at the end of stage 1

[naive whale]

Good to know!

[analog totem]

I guess there were also some randomly occurring graphic corruption/glitching, but it seemed to clear up by Stage 2

[mortal mist]

Super Tempo works wery well 🙂 like this game

[burnt matrix]

@naive whale ^

[naive whale]

Thanks! Appreciate it

[stiff patrol]

@Robby you need to @naive whale

[quick sorrel]

I learned the English title to this game from your video. I had no idea it was released outside Japan. heh

[quick sorrel]

I remember them. The only cops I never minded.

[ripe valley]

Biggie didn't had the last update when testing, most probably.

[naive whale]

It’s a lot easier to pronounce too lol

[analog totem]

they’d probably only arrest you if your skirt wasn’t short enough

[quick sorrel]

Hell yes. Even with my decent Japanese it’s a mouthful of a title.

[quick sorrel]

I’m trying not to look them up cuz sometimes the memories of youth are better left in the past 😅

[hard mountain]

just make sure its not on this list and you're good: https://segaretro.org/Category:Eroge

I guess Saturn was the PC-FX spiritual successor😅

[winter phoenix]

it was for 21 bright, shining months

[trim nimbus]

technically, it was the pc engine successor, all those hardcore gamers went to the saturn instead of the pcfx 😄

I remember seeing a documentary that covered that timeframe a while back, but I can’t remember which one it was