Sega Saturn

[mortal mist]

Yeah ,I'm trying to help , but well... He needs to see all the conversations

Savstate on the PSX was very helpful in such situations

[pearl harbor]

Step 1: Play Shining Force
Step 2: Game turns you into a nerd
Step 3: Robby
Step 4:

[pearl harbor]

Yeah, that lengthy cutscene right before the first battle is brutal. Thankfully you can save right before that cutscene, so you don't need to go through the entire begining every time, but yeah I've seen that one cutscene so many times.

[mortal mist]

New core is coming

Tomorrow, after a week, I will finally return to my MiSTer

[pearl harbor]

I couldn't survive!

[naive whale]

Ooh fun

[mortal mist]

Pocket is with me 🤪

[primal osprey]

Finally CROC

OMG

[burnt matrix]

I hope the Powerslave/Exhumed textures get fixed!

[burnt matrix]

Is that good on the Saturn?

[mortal mist]

I see no change for this

[naive whale]

It’s nice we get exact games it should fix. Makes it a LOT easier

[burnt matrix]

Oh yeah, I was just wishful thinking for the future

[tough star]

Step 3: ??? = having fun

[naive whale]

And it’s live

[ancient surge]

CROC MENTIONED 🐊 🎒

[winter phoenix]

it's ... as good as anywhere else

[naive whale]

If anyone finds anything not on the notes list LMK. Will capture later this afternoon

But not for 4 today

[primal osprey]

Yea!

[burnt matrix]

https://croc.fandom.com/wiki/Croc:_Legend_of_the_Gobbos_Version_Differences

• The Sega Saturn port has the darkest colours.
• The Sega Saturn port has the lowest resolution.
• Croc is the tallest in the Sega Saturn version and the smallest in the Sony PSX version.

[winter phoenix]

he's taller so you can see him better, it's a benefit

darker colors are cooler, brighter colors are for babies

[burnt matrix]

Can’t argue facts

[winter phoenix]

lower resolution = higher framerate, that's how it works isn't it

[burnt matrix]

Saturn wins again!!

[winter phoenix]

hells yeah 🙌

[burnt matrix]

I’m actually going to play Croc on the Saturn core lol. I need more 3D platformers! That penguin game is pretty cool though.

[tough star]

there is a cartoon about the sega saturn... and the fanboy uncle.... but there isn't one about the PSX!

Saturn wins again!!

There isn't a planet called PSX... Saturn wins again!!

I you like it put a ring on it.... Saturn wins again!!

@burnt matrix shall I continue?

1. make Saturn jokes

2. ???????

3. proffit

[primal osprey]

I played on my old gateway growing up

played recently on saturn a month or so back but when deciding to watch the intro - it would always glitch out so I held off

[native dagger]

Are there no pins on this channel?

I'm too lazy to type mister saturn github into google

[wooden dew]

New builds generally show up here:#unstable-nightlies

[native dagger]

Oh I was mostly interested in seeing the issue tracker but thanks 👍I'm just being lazy like i said 😄

[ripe valley]

I closed 5 issues or regressions today, that's great.

But, I have some troubles with Assault Suits Leynos 2 with the last core version (20240202) now.
The game tends to freeze after 4/5 seconds of gameplay on stage 1.
Could someone test on their system and report if a regression is there (or not) ?

Thanks.

[burnt matrix]

Croc on the Saturn is pretty cool!

[burnt matrix]

Croc has random wireframe lines on the walls that appear based on oblique camera angles

[ripe valley]

I see sometimes the canceled Yoshi game for Nintendo.

[tough star]

The slowdown I posted about yesterday is gone

[shadow merlin]

I'm experiencing the same freeze here on my MiSTer too

[ancient surge]

Was Assault Suit Laynos 2 one of those "problematic" games that always caused issues?

[shadow merlin]

I'm not sure, but I feel like it used to get further into the game than it does now On the previous version of the core Assault Suit Leynos 2 doesn't crash but it does quickly get a lot of graphical corruption over the screen.

The graphics errors go away if you go press start to go into the menu but it eventually comes back

[ripe valley]

Thanks for the confirmation.

Issue opened, with a small mention about your confirmation.
That's just for remembering with whom I discussed about the issue.

[wet hull]

Nice cotton 2 fixed

[hardy lodge]

Any other issues in sotn or is it perfect now?

[tawny forge]

Are audio issues with crappy ram fixed yet?

[mortal mist]

Nope

[scenic snow]

the shining force 3 bug still persists right?

[mortal mist]

yes

[scenic snow]

ok

have a few days off 😏

will keep an eye, if new core drops I'll test some

but not up to date really, with what games have game breaking issues

other than shining force 3

[mortal mist]

you can always check on github 🙂

[scenic snow]

ahh srg320's own repo right?

[mortal mist]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues

mister saturn

[scenic snow]

alright

it should be possible to transfer a backup ram save from an software emulator to the core right?

[mortal mist]

yes

[ancient fractal]

Depending on the emulator some byte swizzling may be necessary. At least that’s the case for Mednafen.

I wrote a simple converter script.. might just as well put up a gist: https://gist.github.com/Optiroc/20135302cd2b3692f9b0f41d59be4a8e

[mortal mist]

nice!

[tough star]

can someone make a save state for Castlevania SotN with the Crissaegrim and duplicator?

at the start of the game?

I lost my save while playing and testing

I just want to run through the castles

[tough star]

can I include this script on the Saturn FAQ?

[tough star]

the code could be written a bit shorter also

[ancient fractal]

Sure 👍

[ancient fractal]

Yeah, you can always write shorter python. In cases like this I just take the last similar script I wrote and change some stuff around and stop when it works.

[tough star]

😄

[ripe valley]

I've added (and modified) some other issues today, for reflecting the current state.

Nothing new here, just writing down some issues that weren't reported on the log.

[mortal mist]

Dead or Alive has slowdowns , but in general it does not work for me as you described in the issue

There are slowdowns, but it doesn't work worse from fight to fight.

[ripe valley]

On my system, the first stage is okay, the second have some bearable slowdowns, and after the third one each move will slow down like half speed.

[mortal mist]

I have finished all the fights , some e.g. fight 6 was without any slowdown

[drifting frigate]

This is the same for me. Leifang's stage slows down. If there are two ninjas with petals/leaves it slows down. But the fight with Zach at the beginning is almost always full speed apart from edge cases like barrier falls. So for me it does work differently from fight to fight. But it's definitely much better than it used to be, overall. Still, I'm confirming I see what you see on multiple MiSTers.

[ripe valley]

Thanks for your feedbacks.

I will adjust the issue report.

[burnt flax]

Wish I'd seen the SF3 GitHub issue sooner. I just dropped a savegame in the the thread for the USA version that he can quickly test with. I suspended the game when it was Grace's turn so he should just be able to load the save, cast Heal, and watch it freeze.

I'm sure the people posting in the thread mean well but linking a video does nothing to help. He needs to reproduce it himself. The save game should help with that.

[tough star]

@ancient fractal thanks for your script 🙂

it worked perfect... it seems mednafen is using the bkr extension for memory cards - learned something new

funny thing I installed mednaffen yesterday to see something that didn't look right on a game

too bad it doesn't support CHD

[drifting frigate]

It's the wild west with emulators for Saturn. I was shocked to learn MAME (at least the version I was using to debug) ONLY supports CHD.

[tough star]

mednaffen is pretty good

too bad that they didn't implement a console like openMSX has

one window to control everything from instead of multiple windows

i could not defeat Maria in Sotn for some reason

gave my self level 99

[drifting frigate]

I use a Mode for any games I'm not satisfied with on the core, and only used Mame because I needed the debugger. But I'll keep Mednafen in mind. I think the last emulator I used was Yaba which was ...fine.

[tough star]

I'm here to run through the game and test

[drifting frigate]

The action replay on Sat with Mode is weird, but it works. I just almost never use it for anything but as a memory card.

[tough star]

on to get the Crissie at the inverse library

time to get some revenge 😄

lol

[drifting frigate]

Throw the book at h...no. That's dumb. Good luck!

[tough star]

hehehehe 🙂

yup

don't lose your head

Crissie Get 😄

took 10 mins of chopping heads

Smhoo!!

for those who want to just run around and chop stuff

[mortal mist]

If I had known it was possible to make a save during a battle, I would have done it too 🙂

I'm not familiar with this game , thanks for sending the save

[burnt flax]

Yeah hit B to bring up the cursor, scroll to an empty spot and press A. That’ll bring up a menu that includes suspend option.

[edgy girder]

So even though I switched to using a region free Hi-Saturn bios, I'm still getting the "Drive door open" error no matter what game I try to run. What would be the best way to contact srg320 about it?

[mortal mist]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues

you are, as of now, the only person with such a problem

[edgy girder]

I have seen other people discuss the issue online, so I am not the only one.

[mortal mist]

ok then i will ask for the source , i will be glad to check.

[edgy girder]

https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?p=53356&sid=128f67e13b1fc0d443f0d36ab7ba244d#p53356

It seems to be an uncommon issue, but I am indeed not alone in having it.

[mortal mist]

do you have everything up to date, mister main etc ? are you using the redump ? check bin/cue if you are using CHD

[ancient surge]

I will say that the core does have an issue where sometimes it just fails to boot a game. Not because of bad files or anything, just randomly fails to load and defaults to the BIOS menu.

[mortal mist]

yes it happens sometimes.

[edgy girder]

Is it an issue that's more common to the latest stable version of the core? I am also using a single 128 MB ram module, which I hear can cause additional problems.

[mortal mist]

if you are using 2.9/3.0 there should be no problem

there is a problem with the sound in version 2.4/2.5

Unless you are using a ram with 4 chips

[naive whale]

Mednafen is my go to when I’m not on MiSTer or real hardware

[edgy girder]

Is the RAM version number listed on the module itself? My MiSTer was a preconfigured unit I bought from ultimatemister.com back in August 2021. I know for a fact it has a 128 meg RAM module, but I am not sure which version.

[mortal mist]

Did you test the last core of february ?

#unstable-nightlies message

[stiff patrol]

its listed on the chip or should be

[edgy girder]

Awesome, I'll take off the case and have a look

[stiff patrol]

there it is below the text this side faces outawrds

if they use the standard design it will be visible there on the silk scvreen

Ultimate Mister should only be selling the 2 chip so you should be fine there

[open swan]

Dang, Nat going all out with a little flair on the headers there.

[stiff patrol]

just a red hot brand !

[open swan]

Pretty sick tho, leaves a good impression.

🥁

[stiff patrol]

Poor guy has probably lost alot of sales due to fear from the Europeans about taxes

[edgy girder]

I have not. The last unstable core I tried was around 19 January or so

[edgy girder]

Turns out that's the version of RAM I have lol

It's two chip too

[mortal mist]

games should load anyway 🙂

check dm please

[sick python]

Every time I see this I think they should replace the text

[stiff patrol]

yes it always reminds me of a Claymore Mine

and always amused me they have to squadie proof the mines

[sick python]

well....(I know it wasn't in the movie and was an outtake but still....)

[burnt matrix]

Oh phew it’s not me or the mgl files I use to launch games

[pearl harbor]

Yeah, I often have trouble getting certain games in particular to launch. Nights into Dreams being the primary example. I can get it to launch, but it often takes like 4 tries before it'll actually launch.

[burnt matrix]

just like its sales huehuehuehue

[marble laurel]

Update Saturn :
SCU: fix DSP DMA to DSP program RAM (Shining Force III)
SMPC: add delay to abort INTBACK command (Terry Pratchett's Discworld, Primal Rage)

[pearl harbor]

It's happening!

[burnt matrix]

[pearl harbor]

Shining Force III fix is finally happening! @sudden tusk

[sick python]

I gotta order me a Saturn Light Gun, just in case...

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/thank-fuck-finally-it-has-happened-to-me-ce-ce-peniston-singing-gif-16147896

No more no heals runs lol

[pearl harbor]

The game would sometimes crash on me even without healing during battle. Healing was consistent though.

[sudden tusk]

Bummer ,

[pearl harbor]

This update is for Wisconsin!

[sudden tusk]

So is the fix coming or are you talking about the latest build

?

[pearl harbor]

#1046941029296779344 message

srg320 was recently asking about the crashes in the game on github as well. So we know he was working on it.

[sudden tusk]

I see ! This is good news

I gotta travel a bit for the next few days but as soon as I get home I’m on that shizzzz

[pearl harbor]

#unstable-nightlies message

Dual ram build just dropped!

[sudden tusk]

Oh oh nothing about shinning force on the notes

[pearl harbor]

I'll test it now. Single ram just dropped as well.

[mortal mist]

Update Saturn :
SCU: fix DSP DMA to DSP program RAM (Shining Force III)
SMPC: add delay to abort INTBACK command (Terry Pratchett's Discworld, Primal Rage)

Full note is on github

[naive whale]

so Shining Force III is good now?

hot damn....gonna have to cut into my video I had for tomorrow

[pearl harbor]

Testing it now.

[naive whale]

do you have a save you can slide me?

[pearl harbor]

Just gotta get through that cutscene first...

[tawny forge]

Crappy ram fix?

[mortal mist]

nope!

[pearl harbor]

I'll grab it after I confirm the game is fixed.

[naive whale]

see you next week

[naive whale]

appreciate it. Finishing Akuma shit here for 4 then I will move to Saturn

[sudden tusk]

Make sure you go to the church and save before the first battle .. that way you won’t have to sit through the cutscene

[pearl harbor]

That's where my save is.

[mortal mist]

primal rage works again 🙂

[pearl harbor]

We have healing!

Huzzah!

[naive whale]

no shit!

[pearl harbor]

I made a save right at the start of the battle (didn't know you could do this until recently).

[naive whale]

Just added new core to MiSTer. If you have that save @pearl harbor that would be epic

[pearl harbor]

So no need to go through the cutscene at all now.

[naive whale]

amazing

[pearl harbor]

Just checking that the save does indeed start it there first real quick.

[naive whale]

appreciate it!

[open swan]

okay so sf3 seems to be working now? it's playable?

exciting

[mortal mist]

if no one finds a new bug then yes 😛

[pearl harbor]

At least so far! It didn't crash when I cast the healing spell, and before it was a consistent crash.

[stiff patrol]

I read SF3 as street fighter 3

[naive whale]

capturing Shining Force III now

[pearl harbor]

Uh oh, looks like it's not perfect yet. Just crashed during a fire spell for me. I cast it before that without a crash, so it's not consistent.

[naive whale]

oh no....well thats still an improvement!

[pearl harbor]

Definitely an improvement. But not comfortable in starting a play through yet.

[naive whale]

ill be sure to mention that

I always say "just because X works doesn't mean you wont find a bug ten hours in and be stuck"

wow @pearl harbor your save....very inappropriate name

Dong Johnson...shame on you

hey healing with medical herb didnt crash things!

it is herb right? lol been so long

ok well I also did heal so...full coverage haha

haha damn I froze it too on an attack

[ripe valley]

The fix was right on Mednafen, srg320 applies the same type on the core.

Issues closed.

[thorn pagoda]

it gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside watching the core progress like this

[naive whale]

what a day. Saturnday, Akuma day...best Sunday in 2024 so far!

[trim nimbus]

Wonder what the criteria will be for an actual release. Lots of fixes over the past few weeks.

[pearl harbor]

The healing spell! Magic! Not the herb!

[frail token]

Isn't it actually released now?

[pearl harbor]

Sorry, I was out shopping for awhile.

[frail token]

like update_all pulls it doesn't it

[pearl harbor]

Yes, the Saturn core is released. Just keep in mind that released does not equel finished.

[trim nimbus]

Yes, but none of the recent fixes. I suspect he is going to wait to have it much more polished before a second release

[naive whale]

I did both!

[pearl harbor]

That's good. I assume it worked in both cases. Did you have any crashes?

[naive whale]

yep. Straight combat

attacked...froze

[pearl harbor]

Yeah, it did that sometimes before the fix as well. The healing spell was a consistent crash every time, but normal combat would occasionally crash too.

[scenic snow]

getting closer

[slate karma]

Sadly looks like whatever is affected by having slower SDRAM is yet to be addressed (if that's even possible), Sega Rally still having sound issues on my setup.

[tall radish]

Get back on the andromeda.

[sacred goblet]

I notice that soundtrack volume is low in Daytona usa during intro.
In Sega Rally it seems like the soundtrack don't start at the beginning (i dont hear the first second)

[pearl harbor]

Quiet audio is probably the most common issue with the core currently.

[delicate mantle]

Die Hard Arcade and Guardian Heroes on the cocktail build is pretty sweet

I still need to make the matching control panel.

With the rest of that panel

https://www.3-form.com/materials/chroma

[blazing lance]

I love Die Hard Arcade.

It's barely tangential to the movie

But it's so fun

[delicate mantle]

yeah, got through alot more of it, due to the stick. been messing with it on my other system with a cheap switch pro controller

[tough star]

@delicate mantle Goon spi racist?

[loud hare]

Goon conspiracist

[tough star]

Well the nick is only 1 letter away from being 100% legit there

[delicate mantle]

I've got a whole crazy conspiracy wall on how Lowtax did 9/11, while on mangosteen

Lots of red yarn everywhere

[tough star]

Lowtax died

it was something awful

[frail token]

So what's our favorite multi region bios, if I were to look for one

[ancient surge]

None of them are the wrong answer, but I personally use the Hi-Saturn 1.01 one just because I like the introduction animation.

[frail token]

Thanks! I'll give it a look

[mortal mist]

I use jap 1.01

[ripe valley]

I've tested rapidly (8/10 mins) around 30 more games today and only found 2 (rather obvious) issues.
That's quite encouraging.

And I don't want to test those Wizardry and Winning Post games again. 😱

[ancient surge]

At least it's not mahjong.

[ancient fractal]

It sounds like a few performance bottlenecks have been fixed or improved lately.. I need to revisit a few more problematic areas of my good old benchmark Magic Knight Rayearth to see if slowdown is reduced.

[ancient surge]

Slowdown can be tricky, because sometimes the slowdown is just a byproduct of the original hardware, while othertimes it's inaccuracies creating a bottleneck.

That's why it's always important to double check.

[hardy lodge]

This has the best intro sequence, that's why I chose it as well. 😅

[ripe valley]

No change on Pandemonium concerning the performance.
For the texture problem, when I test the game on a real Saturn, that's a Gouraud shading one for sure.

[hybrid lichen]

Hi-Saturn enters the chat..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iv5uBN76zls&ab_channel=jp-video-games

[mortal mist]

@ripe valley Warcraft II works fine here , https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/112

maybe check another image of the game

[ripe valley]

I've tested a fresh new dump from the disc, a copy from the Net & my CHD file.
All the same, it stays on the SEGA Boot screen with a USA version of the game.
And on my two systems (Single 3.0 and Dual 2.9).

[mortal mist]

Ok , for me it starts every time without any problem. Maybe let someone else check.

[ripe valley]

I will try with another BIOS.

I'm on the Hi-Saturn region free.

[mortal mist]

checked on my second mister , single ram , works fine

jap 1.01 bios

[ripe valley]

I've found the problem.

The region free bios can't boot the game.

[mortal mist]

ok nice find

i use free region jap bios

[ripe valley]

On my systems, when I use the region free Hi-Saturn BIOS, even with forcing the region to US on the OSD, the game refuses to boot

When adding a cd_bios.rom file from a 'normal' US BIOS, the game boots.

Okay, I will close the issue within the next minutes.

I must prefer to find that now and document the 'issue' right away rather having to find maybe later with other users.
So we have a trace and a video if future users will ask for the same kind of problem.
Thanks for your help, once more @mortal mist. Always appreciated.

[mortal mist]

I've added your adontation about the bios to the test sheet

[ancient surge]

So is it necessarily the region free hacked BIOS or the Hi-Saturn BIOS in general?

[ripe valley]

I've not tried the regular Hi-Saturn BIOS, sorry.

I will try to note down to retest with that configuration when a new core version will drop.

[mortal mist]

Do you have version 1.01 or version 1.02 ?

for me with regural hi saturn bios Warcraft II works with version 1.02 , but does not work with version 1.01

[ripe valley]

v1.01

Okay, we will need to adjust the issue report.

[mortal mist]

yeah, so it doesn't work with the regular version either

[cyan tapir]

Mega Man X4 continues to crash the same way on the new SS core, randomly during any boss' dialogue. I decided to open it to clean it and see if it solves the problem.

[naive whale]

hope you at least bought it a drink first

[burnt matrix]

It’s a WIP core, crashes are bound to happen.

[cyan tapir]

Yes I understand. Anyway, it seems like this is only happening to me so far. Reports are that it runs without any major problems. In the Japanese edition (Rockman X4) all bosses have speech sounds. In the USA, this only occurs in the last bosses, who are the only ones that have speech sounds. It's funny that sometimes I can finish the game without any major problems. I left a save in refights to test in Japan.

[burnt matrix]

There are micro-differences due to voltage, ram timings, hardware discrepancies that cause issues. Even where you got your disc image from can produce issues as well.

Sorry if it’s frustrating to have a game not work for you but it works for others. That happens to everyone if it’s any consolation. Once the core has ironed out most bugs then work can begin on stability.

[cyan tapir]

I have the dumps of my own original SS games. And it still doesn't work correctly.

[burnt matrix]

Have you tried the recommended ones in the pins?

Redump

[cyan tapir]

I'll try them and report back if it works.

[burnt matrix]

Hope that works for you, brother. 🍻

[cyan tapir]

Thanks man.🤘

[cyan tapir]

starting testing...first boss without issues

Redump - Rockman X4 (3M)

[burnt matrix]

🥳

[cyan tapir]

Everything was going well... until…

game went very well until refights cyber Peacock

[frail token]

I just tried X4 and it crashed after the first stage

[cyan tapir]

Same Issue with the bosses?

[frail token]

I didn't get to a boss

Like the opening area where you meet some red robot dude you flash away then it kicked me back to the bios

[cyan tapir]

lol

[cyan tapir]

magma dragoon

[frail token]

Sure lol

I know nothing about X4

[cyan tapir]

This problem I have with the x4 may be fixed in future updates, for now. There's nothing I can do that won't cause the game to crash at some point random with the bosses.

[frail token]

Bummer

[cyan tapir]

I'm playing X4 crash randomizer on Sega Saturn 🤣

[burnt matrix]

Add that as a GitHub issue if you can

Thank you very much

[cyan tapir]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/87
It's been two weeks since I reported him there

[pearl harbor]

At least we still have the PS1 version of X4!

I forget if the Saturn version has any exclusive content. I know Mega Man 8 definitely does.

[short shore]

bros i just played nights with the 3d control pad

that was genuinely incredible

i didnt expect to have that much fun, but the dreamlike visuals and strange music really captured me

[mortal mist]

Alien Trilogy works very well on the core

for me it's better than psx version

better contrast on saturn version

and it seems to me that the game runs smoother 🙂

[hardy lodge]

It's a scifi game, so you'd expect it to be best on saturn.

[ripe valley]

It should be interesting to add a savefile to the Final Weapon stage on the issue report.
So that other testers and srg320 could test it more efficiently later.

Thanks.

[cyan tapir]

Right. I put the save here, where did I report the problem? @ripe valley

I updated with 3 types of MMX4 (RX4) saves:

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/87

Mega Man X4 (USA)
Rockman X4 (Japan) (3M)
Rockman X4 (JP)

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/430250692989550593/1192628302347776000/MMXC_-_X_Character_Select.gif?ex=65a9c4a9&is=65974fa9&hm=41490db2397425ba5edd4f8ecaddb5cff4ebb0d6d357a1f46029d270070be951&

[jagged quartz]

Did the pins go missing? Was going to share vampiers FAQ with a redditor..

[mortal mist]

nope, still there

[jagged quartz]

Am I inept?

[mortal mist]

settings

pinned

why is that , then you have to ask discord 🙂

looks ok on browser

[jagged quartz]

And yet the N64 channel looks like this...

Bonkers...

[tough star]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BpCRjALSAAe4lQGfaJgoiDZu6aLFrVOLdSEJqN4EgIg/edit#gid=1696549245

[mortal mist]

#unstable-nightlies message

multidisc is coming

[naive whale]

just saw. Thats fun

[ancient surge]

Oh this might finally fix the glitched shadows in Asuka 120%

[ripe valley]

srg320 is very active, even with issues opened yesterday night.

[ancient surge]

By the way, with these SEGA Saturn changes, is there any SEGA 32X changes to go with it?

[ripe valley]

EDIT : Maybe with the SH7604 change.

[sudden tusk]

Awwww snap hell yeah new build!

[old pasture]

Good stuff 👍

[naive whale]

ooh game updates too eh?

[old pasture]

Yep, all Dreamcast games work on the core now 😜

[naive whale]

damn British lies

[old pasture]

We are in mourning

[cyan tapir]

Teaching him what retro games are like, he's doing well.

[mental folio]

Starting him off on x4 is a choice

[ripe valley]

Fixed.

[pearl harbor]

Nice, are the Grandia FMVs finally fixed?

[burnt matrix]

NEW BUILD oh wait lol

that was me just now

[mortal mist]

ok for now the change when it comes to multidisc is about naming. Now the save has the name of the game, not the disc with the number for example (Panzer Dragoon Saga), so that each disc sees the save

still need an option to open and close the lid

[sudden tusk]

What happun?

[naive whale]

Their king has cancer

Waited his whole life to be king and dude gets sick like year 1

[stiff patrol]

we have the hot spare standing by

[tough star]

he doesn't have the balls to be the king

curse of the queen mummy dearest

[ripe valley]

Could someone test "Tenchi wo Kurau II - Sekiheki no Tatakai" ?
Just to be sure about the game does load on the core or not.
Thanks.

[sudden tusk]

Shieeeett .. but he just became king ..

[sudden tusk]

Who is next in succession ?

[stiff patrol]

Prince William

40 odd years old

so should last a bit

[sudden tusk]

Is that the one married to that actress ?

[stiff patrol]

no thats Harry his younger brother

[sudden tusk]

Oh ok harry said fuck it since he knew he was never gonna be king ..

[stiff patrol]

before he gets in all 3 of Williams Children would need to have Gardening accidents

[sudden tusk]

Oooof ..

I wonder what king William’s reign will be like ..

[stiff patrol]

Charles is not dying

he has had early Cancer detected

He will get the best possible Medical Care

[mental folio]

shame

[stiff patrol]

no matter what you think of Royalty wishing Cancer on someone is not cool

[mental folio]

oh I don't wish cancer on him, he already has it

I just wish he had access to the same healthcare as the proletariat

[stiff patrol]

He is wealthy, Any wealthy person always has better access

its the way the world works

[mental folio]

until the next french revolution happens, anyways

[stiff patrol]

Never going to happen

[mental folio]

I don't know, shit's been getting pretty bad

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/comunism-gif-22603522

I only care about my Brohleteriats!

[pearl harbor]

Tried Grandia, and the FMVs are indeed finally fixed!

[untold spear]

are the other bugs with grandia fixed? batlles?

been a while since i checked

[mortal mist]

battles works fine, fixed some time ago

[untold spear]

oh awesome

[pearl harbor]

I did have to go and update the name of my save file in Grandia with today's update. The save had "(Disk 1)" in its file name, and I had to remove that part of the name. Easy enough fix.

[mortal mist]

will check in a few moments

[mortal mist]

yeah , same for Panzer Saga 🙂

easy fix hehe

[pearl harbor]

Might be worth making a pinned message about the save file name update for multi disc games. I have a feeling we are in for some people asking about what happened to their saves in the near future. 😅

[old pasture]

All good 👍
Just darn busy with work 😕

[sudden tusk]

Same here bro .. life’s been nuts these past few months ..

[ancient surge]

Glad the shadows are fixed, but it still has issues with the sound randomly cutting out.

[stiff patrol]

what Ram ?

2.5 is known to have issues

2.9 and 3.0 is where its at

[ancient surge]

I have two 128MB 2.9 RAM modules, so RAM hasn't been an issue with me.

Found another issue. The sprites scaling on this character/course select screen is broken. I think is a regression since I remember this looking normal in an older build.

[mortal mist]

oh no , Grandia is broken again !

[ripe valley]

I've compiled a new version and shared it on #1096614378968727652

[mortal mist]

and there is something wrong with sprites when running

with npsc too

menu is broken too

[ripe valley]

I let you do the issue report as I'm not available at the moment and you will be faster writing it.

[mortal mist]

yeah, i'm working on it 😉

[ripe valley]

Core 20240204 is okay.

[ancient surge]

So it's a regression then.

[ripe valley]

I've added a note after your report.

And that's all for me for today.

[ancient surge]

I think this might be related to the same sprite scaling problems impacting Puyo Puyo Sun too. There might be other games sharing this same issue if that is the case.

[ripe valley]

Good luck on your tests and reports.

[ancient surge]

Just as I thought, this problem is plaguing other games too.

[mortal mist]

Grandia looks fine too on 20240204

[slate karma]

Not that there aren't other issues with Sega Rally as well, but even the countdown at the start of the first stage has scaling issues with the numbers.

[mortal mist]

yes, confirmed

probably in many games it will appear

[burnt matrix]

THERE WAS A NEW BUILD

I thought he just updated the readme and it auto compiled a build

[lavish wadi]

Hoping to get Thunder Force working without slowdowns soon 🤓

[frail token]

So will this build get pulled by update_all

[hybrid lichen]

It would be cool if it could get a downloader option like the n64 core

[ripe valley]

NBA Jam - TE is affected by the regression too, on the players sprites.

[frail token]

it's in update_all already though right? Or do these nightlies not make it in? I guess that's what I'm asking

[pearl harbor]

They don't. They're still considered unstable builds. The update and update all downloaders never grab from unstable-nightlies.

[frail token]

thanks 🙂

[hybrid lichen]

For n64 you can add a line to your downloader.ini to grab the nightlies though.

[burnt matrix]

Kingdom Grandprix translation runs beautifully on the core. I’m very happy because the arcade one doesn’t work for me, lol.

[tough star]

[n64_dev]
db_url = https://raw.githubusercontent.com/RobertPeip/Mister64/db/db.json.zip```

https://vampier.net/N64/

[hybrid lichen]

yes. I wish you could do the same for Saturn. Unless I missed that part?

[burnt matrix]

he’s got a script

It replaces all your cores with MSX core variants but you do get the latest Saturn unstable nightly. You win some, you lose some.

[tough star]

@burnt matrix for the love of god - stay factual please

don't tarnish my unblemished reputation

I'm serious dude - just stop it before I have to come there and shove an MSX up your nostrils

@hybrid lichen https://vampier.net/Saturn/

[quaint dove]

Hey free MSX

[trim nimbus]

Interesting fact- turbo r is an anagram of Saturn

[frail token]

Hey what do I do to get a nostril MSX

[hybrid lichen]

Thanks for the great work by the way. Msx out of 10.

[scarlet goblet]

You can get a MSX and you probably have a nostril already, so you can do it on your own.

[craggy horizon]

I can't seem to get right/left shoulder buttons working with either the "Digital" or "3D Pad" input choices. I've correctly and successfully mapped all buttons in both menu.rbf and the Saturn core, but none of the "Daytona" games will recognize either L/R shoulder button, so there's no way to accelerate or brake, making the game unplayable. Am I missing something?

[mortal mist]

in the basic configuration zoom also does not work ?

L/R

[mortal mist]

What controller are you using ?

[craggy horizon]

Correct. If I switch to "Digital" input, the L/R buttons do not change views either.

I'm using the RetroBit dual analog Saturn wireless controller.

[mortal mist]

ahh there are some problems with this pad

[craggy horizon]

I'm mapping the ZL/ZR triggers, because I know about the L/R shoulder buttons issue.

So that's not in play here.

[mortal mist]

When I'm home I'll check , but I don't recall this problem.

unfortunately I have no experience with this dual analog pad

[craggy horizon]

thanks

The ZL/ZR triggers are digital (not analog).

The L/R shoulder buttons are also digital, and they are actually just hardwired duplicates of the C and Z buttons, apparently.

The ZL/ZR buttons and dual analog sticks work fine in other cores, and are also detected just fine by the general gamepad button mapping wizard in the menu.rbf OSD. It's only the Saturn core that gives me trouble with the ZL/ZR buttons.

[burnt matrix]

@craggy horizon have you tried with another controller?

[wise brook]

#share-media message

i posted a link to a podcast episode fellow saturn fans will likely enjoy

It's a little bit like a pandemonium reviews episode.

[mortal mist]

Daytona - L/R works fine here

m30 8bitdo pad

[mortal mist]

black screen for me after Sega logo (20240206)

but works with core 20240204

regression 🙂

[tough star]

you broke it

[mortal mist]

[ancient surge]

A lot of regressions going on...

[mortal mist]

yes , the last core messed up a bit 🙂

but it's the way to go

There are super testers here who catch bugs

[ripe valley]

Issue opened for Tenchi wo Kurau II.

Like I already said, it's better to catch the issues and regressions very early.

So srg320 could seek more rapidly where the code have a problem.

[tough star]

a way to do this is - core version where it worked / core version where it didn't work and report the exact point where is broke

[ripe valley]

That's I try to do when it's possible, even pinpoint the exact commit.

[ancient surge]

I'm assuming srg is at least aware of the problems with sprite scaling going on.

[glad quail]

anyone successfully using the Saturn core on an ironclad build?

I ask because, apparently, the RAM supplied in the ironclad kits is 4chip RAM, and I hear (in the help section) that this is no longer compatible with the Saturn core

[acoustic sable]

It was never in spec for MiSTer, just one vendor trying to use cheaper chips.

[mortal mist]

Unfortunately, the Saturn will not work well with the 4c

[glad quail]

thanks, very interesting, I'll need some new RAM then

[stiff patrol]

check though . count the chips, on the stick

4 = bad

2 = good

[glad quail]

it's 4

[stiff patrol]

then forget saturn for the time being

or replace the Ram if possible with the official design

[glad quail]

I'll use it on my second standard system. and, for my ironclad build, swap the RAM for a new regular version (but not sure if regular will fit in an ironclad)

[stiff patrol]

Thats the problem with Non standard designs

[glad quail]

yep 🤦

[stiff patrol]

you get locked into their own special ways

[wooden dew]

You could probably easily figure out by comparing dimensions of either

At least to see if they match

[shadow merlin]

I am using the Saturn core on an ironclad build... except I changed the RAM for 2 chip as the ironclad is thankfully compatible with both types, core did not work properly for me with 4 chip at all

[glad quail]

thank you for the feedback

I swapped the 4chip out for the 2chip from my second build

Saturn core now works

[burnt matrix]

That is awesome! Sorry you had to deal with that but things happen. Glad it got sorted for everyone.

[pearl harbor]

Interesting, I haven't had any issues with that controller in the Saturn core. I'll have to check it again with the latest version of the core.

[craggy horizon]

Thanks. I haven't yet tested other controllers. This is something I just happened to run across late last night. I can test other controllers tonight.

I forgot the 8bitdo M30 has digital shoulder buttons. I'll try that one and the SN30 Pro (digital trigger) tonight. I suppose I should also try something with analog triggers (like an Xbone controller), since the Saturn 3D pad apparently had analog triggers.

[trim nimbus]

sadly the duke is the only replacement controller I can think of that has everything in place

[burnt matrix]

Analog triggers won't work unless you're using SNAC

There's been requests to get analog trigger functionality added to MiSTer for the Saturn and a few arcade cores.

[trim nimbus]

I have an actual saturn, I would live some new options for a 3d controller…preferably that worked in all three analog modes: 3d, arcade racer, mission stick

and when/if the mister ever supported analog triggers, there you go

[mental folio]

does that new retro-bit saturn pro controller have analog triggers?

I know it's got 2 sticks, so it's halfway there

[kindred fractal]

@mental folio i'm looking at this controller too, seems there is no analog trigger at all

[glad quail]

would love these, as Outrun at 60fps on Saturn is allllllmost the best version of Outrun (even better than the arcade, which runs at 30fps). But the lack of analogue control kills it..

[wise brook]

I'm playing it with analog steering right now

[burnt matrix]

I think he means analog accelerate brake, which the Outrun on Saturn supports. I had no idea!

[wise brook]

yep

[burnt matrix]

I’ve got a SNAX + 3D control pad. I’ll have to check it out.

[frail token]

here's hoping that support gets added for general controllers

[burnt matrix]

Damn that’s awesome!

[wise brook]

you can just about make the car crawl at 2-3mph

neat

just beat all my prior records with snac 3d controller

[tall radish]

I'm curious to know if that works for you. I just tried my SNAX with the 3D pad and I couldn't for the life of me get it to work. The controller is brand new (used), just arrived today and I don't have an original Saturn to test with, unfortunately, so not sure if it's the pad or something to do with the SNAX adapter not working with blue1's latest SNAC core. 😦

[frail token]

dang makes me wish I could use my Dual Sense, I don't have no fancy SNAC and 3D controller

[burnt matrix]

Pull your Saturn cable out slightly and try again.

Saturn cable to SNAC connector. The initial SNAC cables have that flaw.

[wise brook]

quick and dirty assembly test

[tall radish]

Will give it a try, thanks for the info 🙂

[burnt matrix]

Hope that’s the issue!

[pearl harbor]

The new ones are

[inner token]

he means pull the saturn connector out of the saturn adapter slightly. it's probably that

beginners sometime don't know to turn snac on in OSD

[wise brook]

was just playing with your core btw, wonderful 1st impression

[inner token]

saw that, Outrun must be easier with analog gas?

[tall radish]

It's enabled on OSD, set to 3D pad, port 1. I pulled out the connector a bit, and fiddled with it various times. It never works, sadly... might have a dud 3D pad. 😦

No joy, but thanks anyway 😭

[inner token]

do other saturn pads work?

and is that a BB cable or one from pork?

[wise brook]

maybe just try a basic snac adapter, I've no experience with the snax fork but they might just not be supported right at this moment

also are you using a voltage shifter?

[tall radish]

"Sega Saturn Cable" that I bought from Ultimatemister, supposed to work with both Snac and BlisSTer

but the SNAX (SNAC V2) is from pork

[tall radish]

that's what I'm thinking... need to look around for a regular SNAC adapter in Europe

[tall radish]

Voltage shifter?

[tall radish]

I don't have any others to test, sadly

[wise brook]

it's fine if you're not, you don't need one for this controller

it's more a nes thing

[inner token]

it's the cable. only ones from porkchop work with the snax or reflex.

[tall radish]

didn't even know a voltage shifter was a thing, lol

[tall radish]

oh damn...

Thanks for the info

[inner token]

snax does the voltage thing

[tall radish]

getting the adapter was easy, because a friend came over from the US... but ordering the Saturn cable to Europe... ughh...

[inner token]

most BB cables work with both bliss and snax but there are few that don't(saturn, psx,n64 iirc)

[wise brook]

I'll make you one, it'll be cheap

I was only gonna sell them for £10 including postage

[tall radish]

You're in Europe?

oh, the UK?

[wise brook]

nearly

England, and yourself

[tall radish]

Portugal

[wise brook]

hell yeah, my favorite bit of Europe

ngl if anyone here's never been to Lisbon you're missing out, an beautiful capital city

an espresso and pasteis de nata is my happy place

[tall radish]

I like me a good pastel de nata (not the custard tarts wannabes outside Portugal, lol), but I LOVE ovos moles. If you've never tried, I highly recommend it for next time you're here.

[inner token]

stick a few in an envelope for him

[tall radish]

Sent you a private message - perhaps it's best we discuss further, there 🙂

[wise brook]

BRIGADEIRO!

the best thing ever

Portuguese fudge balls

goddamn no wonder why I used to be fat

[frail token]

we have a Brazilian friend who makes these, they were decent

[craggy horizon]

No

[craggy horizon]

Neither ZL/ZR triggers nor L/R shoulder buttons on my 8bitdo SN30 Pro controller work for the Saturn's L/R triggers in "3D Pad" mode, either. Is that because none of those are analog triggers?

[wise brook]

I'm sure retrobit will get it right 3rd time around

[craggy horizon]

Even when the input type is set to "Digital", the correctly-mapped digital L/R or ZL/ZR buttons on my 8bitdo SN30 Pro still do not work as digital pad L/R shoulder buttons. It appears to me that L/R buttons simply do not work at all with the latest Saturn unstable core.

Scratch that. It works. It was an in-game button mapping issue.

[mortal mist]

so dual analog retrobit also works ok ?

[craggy horizon]

Yes but not as a 3D Pad.

[burnt matrix]

I’m glad you figured it out. I’ve never had mapping issues with the MiSTer so that would’ve been a real surprise to see.

[craggy horizon]

Only as a Digital pad.

[burnt matrix]

Maybe check your mapping again?

Oh it’s Retrobit, yah they have issues

I’ll check my setup later, I have an SN30 Pro too.

[noble escarp]

I'm pretty sure that retobit fixed the analog mode on the latest firmware update. It shouldwork via snac.
I don't own one so I can not test.

[supple vine]

The BB N64 cable works with SNAX, I have been using it for a while. The BB Saturn cable works for digital controllers, I haven’t tried 3D controllers yet. The BB PSX cable doesn’t work with SNAX.

[inner token]

BB n64 cables may "work" but you'll find it's the wrong voltage, Saturn BB cable might "work" for digital controllers but you'll find the buttons are wrong, and it probably won't work with the controllers that use the other modes. Saturn and psx BB cables aren't fully wired iirc they both leave a pin unconnected.

[supple vine]

Maybe I need to test more but I played a ton of N64 and the BB N64 cable works also with cpak loading and saving, etc. How would a cable change the voltage anyways? You mean there are resistors in the cable? I doubt it.

Concerning Saturn and PSX I think you are right, the BB cables are not fully connected.

It doesn’t hurt to buy the cables from MisterAddons since they are quite affordable. And they work with both SNAX and Reflex Adapt 🙂

[glad quail]

whuuuuut? I thought analogue triggers weren't implemented in Saturn core yet?

[inner token]

From my understanding SNAX uses certain hdmi pins for 5v things and others for 3v3. if you use a BB cable with snax and measure the n64 data pin which is pulled up by a resistor I would guess the measurement will be 5v and not 3v3.

I of course could be wrong, but don't have a reason to lie. I don't really care who you buy whatever from until I have to answer questions or solve peoples problems.

[inner token]

right now mister doesn't accept analog buttons only sticks using usb, I think he was using SNAC which as of right now is the only way to use the 3d controller with saturn and get the analog buttons since it bypasses the usb

[supple vine]

Huh, you are right. Saturn buttons are wrong with the BB Saturn cable. So I will buy the MisterAddons cables. I will buy the N64 ones as well just to be safe.

Oh there are PC Engine SNAC cables now as well, awesome.

[inner token]

Thanks for verifying the saturn cables. I believe there are PCE BB cables already that should be compatible but don't quote me on that since I never personally tested them.

[craggy horizon]

What exactly do you mean by "fixed the analog mode"?

For SNAC, are you saying I'd get a Saturn SNAC adapter and then plug a wireless Saturn dongle into it?

[craggy horizon]

What are "BB cables"?

[inner token]

BlissBox

[noble escarp]

Analog mode for saturn was broken with the retail firmware from retrobit. Analog stick works, analog trigger does not.
This is from what I've seen from reports. I don't have this controller.
Retrobit got the analog trigger working with a firmware update.

This

[tiny flare]

Are newer SNAC cables better? Wouldn't hate to have one I didn't need to wiggle every time

[stiff patrol]

the newest cable from misterAddons I purchased was better

but I still needed a little wiggle

[pearl harbor]

Haven't had any issues on my end with the new ones from misterAddons either. No wiggle wiggle needed on my end.

[stiff patrol]

could be just a dirty edge connector on 20 year old HW purchased from Ebay that needed alot of IPA to clean before I would even let it in the house

[tiny flare]

Haha yeah that’s always a problem, but for sure the SNAC connector I have is a lot less likely to work without copious wiggling than the ports in my actual Saturn

Same issue with extension cables I’ve sourced to try and build a daemonbite, I guess whatever controller port mould was floating around is not so great

[zinc vine]

the non-pro doesnt work

[trim nimbus]

Slightly offtopic from the core, but does anyone know the controller polling rate of the Saturn?

[tawny forge]

Most OG hardware polls at 16ms

Once per frame

I’m not sure about saturn but it should be the same

[trim nimbus]

Yeah, I guess it is going to have some variability based on implementation, but I have seen apocryphal statements that the Saturn in general has higher input delays.

[inner token]

in most cases for other systems it's up to the software, but real saturn is once per frame as far as I know.

[glad quail]

ahhhh, ok, SNAC here I come 😁

What controller do you folks recommend for Saturn SNAC? Something I can pickup on Amazon USA would be useful, as they ship to Thailand.

[burnt matrix]

OEM 3D Pad and the JP Cool Pad imo

The mission stick is cool too if you like flying games

And I’m a fan of the steering wheel

[inner token]

the analog buttons thing might get implemented eventually. Andy put a request in and Sorg said he'd think about it.

[thorn pagoda]

hopefully! it would have a few really useful applications

[glad quail]

the OEM seems like it'll be best for analogue steering, as the Cool Pad doesn't have an analogue stick (but looks awesome)

Is there another controller I could use, that has an analogue stick, and can be connected over SNAC?

[burnt matrix]

That’s it, makes it easy haha

[glad quail]

this one looks like a decent option, what do you think?
Retro Fighters BrawlerGen Sega Saturn & Sega Genesis 2-In-1 Controller - Sega Saturn https://a.co/d/3MZDuqM

[frail token]

Is that the one that has the fake analog stick

[glad quail]

Ugh yea, just reading so in the Amazon reviews.

[frail token]

Such a bonehead move

It's offensive lol

[burnt matrix]

Also no analog triggers

[frail token]

Yeah double offensive

[burnt matrix]

But it’s a good point, didn’t even think of third party options

[glad quail]

So there's only the OEM serial controller for analogue stick on Saturn :/

[glad quail]

looks like the OEM 👍

[zinc vine]

blueretro receiver or oem controller, dont buy retrobit controller doesnt work

[burnt matrix]

Seems like anything Retrobit when it comes to the Saturn is awful. I bought a Retrobit cool pad and it had connection problems.

I’m testing out @unkempt kelp’ Reflex Ctrl Saturn conversion kit. I replaced the guts of my Retrobit cool pad with it. It turned that waste of $20 into my favorite multi-purpose retro controller to use on my PC and MiSTer.

[unkempt kelp]

Woo!

Supports PS4 and PS5 too with a dongle

[burnt matrix]

Ohhhh yeah! I need to get that. Damn I haven’t even hooked it up to my Switch either. I love this thing, thank you.

sorry not trying to sell anyone on it, but the conversation about RetroBit not working reminded me of my purchase and it had a happy ending

[glad quail]

whoa, I guess I can use my dualsense with this. perfect 👍

[zinc vine]

the saturn conversion kit not good?

[burnt matrix]

Nah it’s awesome.

I was saying the Retrobit cool pad I had wasn’t good. Maybe a manufacturing defect? Not sure but I had problems using it with the MiSTer and Saturn.

[zinc vine]

oh ok gotcha i read it wrong

[burnt matrix]

but I replaced it with the Saturn controller conversion kit from MisterAddons called “Reflex CTRL” and it’s been my go to retro controller for multiple devices. The RetroBit shell + buttons are awesome so it feels really nice

[zinc vine]

i was thinking picking one up when its available

[burnt matrix]

I think it’s worth it imo. My one complaint is the Saturn controller lacks a select button. It would be the perfect retro controller if it had one!

[zinc vine]

i waste money on retrobit while ago

[craggy horizon]

The controller itself doesn't have analog triggers.

I'm using the USB dongle. It has had no issues with the analog sticks.

[burnt matrix]

It still worked apparently lol

[thorn pagoda]

for a second there i thought that was a really convincing "exploded look" sticker kit 😄

[wise brook]

did a little trimming to the back cover of the Saturn connector and super glued it to give the socket a bit more strength

otherwise the plastic connector could be pulled off from pins

this was with just a little pull

as you can guess the plastic part should be way back

[noble escarp]

From what I've seen, the problem was on saturn mode. It does not report the "triggers" correctly.

[acoustic sable]

Yeah, they're designed to be held in by a solid case enclosure. Most older pin-style connectors have the same weakness; usually little barbs on the pins mean the shroud can only move partially not come completely off unless you really try hard.

Thus the big shoulder surround molding

Which is all fine until you use bare boards 🙂

[ripe valley]

srg320 is apparently searching (by probing) some more informations on the VDP1 drawing sprites commands and VRAM accesses (read commands and DMA) these last days.

He posted some VDP1 logs yesterday.

[mortal mist]

yes , I saw the measurements yesterday

[ancient surge]

Oh he's trying to figure out why the latest build broke things?

[ripe valley]

That should be part of it.

[potent furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/terminator2-terminator-arnold-schwarzenegger-cyborg-robot-gif-7974568

[tall radish]

Buying anything that isn't OEM when it comes to retro controllers is risky business. Most third party controllers at the time sucked. Some where good, but most sucked. That kind of holds true today still. pretty much 8bitdo and retrobit making some of those lists. Even those companies put out bad controllers too.

plus you run the chance it will be out of spec and won't work certain adapters.

[pastel basalt]

How is it??

Love the snes one

[burnt matrix]

It’s better! It includes a little usb port to allow for a wireless Brook adapter to use it on the PS4/PS5

[tough star]

I'll wait for the groovy reflect adapter

that way 0 lag on the menu as well

[ripe valley]

https://vxtwitter.com/memory_fallen/status/1755956487422095489

[gloomy hedge]

Smh

I know this is probably not a priority

But flip screen would be nice 😭

(Shienryu)

Lmao oops

yeah EVERY game rotates that way

smh

[hybrid lichen]

ETAT

[gloomy hedge]

lmao

if there's no flip, this core is dead to my current setup

every shmup is really weird downwell clone

[hybrid lichen]

I think my display rotates the same direction, so same boat.

[craggy horizon]

Workaround: full body inversion table

As an added bonus, you can also sleep like BatMan.

[gloomy hedge]

based

[gloomy hedge]

whose BatMan

do you mean "Batman"

https://tenor.com/view/31cit-gif-14832668423245671461

oh no you must mean Bat Man

(also available on mister)

[craggy horizon]

You can see that the "B" and "M" are clearly capitalized.

[gloomy hedge]

yeah great point thats on me

its so clear

especially in the BAtMaN bEgINs logo

[serene thunder]

Batman Begins may be my fave bat movie

[tiny flare]

I was quite enamoured with the look of The Batman, and I didn’t hate Pattinson’s Batman, although I wasn’t a huge fan of how they wrote his Bruce Wayne

Too much tortured eccentric, not enough billionaire playboy

[next bronze]

you forgot one

[tall radish]

BatmaN

[tiny flare]

Aren’t we forgetting about this thread’s true hero?

SeGaAta sAnShIRO

[hearty carbon]

I took it at as a Year One kind of situation. Where he's not a good detective and doesn't understand the importance of being the playboy as a mask yet.

The Nolan Batman movies have him realize that after he's at it a while.

They're all still borrowing from Frank Miller even in the 2020's

🤣

[serene thunder]

They could still do a proper Dark Knight live action movie
With the Mutants and whatnot

[tranquil mulch]

So contrary to the N64 situation, there are a whole lot of Saturn games. Also they take way more space. Are we dividing and conquering when it comes to testing?

[burnt matrix]

No need, just need to play the SotN Saturn port over and over

[tawny forge]

RetroFi 4-Players Sega Saturn module is alive! It's compatible with both regular and 3D pads! 🙂

[burnt matrix]

Congrats, looks great! I also love the bird logo.

[gloomy hedge]

So can someone tell the man to create a flippy screeny

Etat to tatE mode

[ripe valley]

WARNING
Update incoming.

I was checking something else and saw the updates being pushed.

[ripe valley]

Pretty big update, especially on the DDRAM controller and the SCU.

We will need to check some possible (other) regressions.

And see if the v2.4/v2.5 RAM are working better now.

[tawny forge]

Crappy RAM fix incoming 🙏

[mortal mist]

Neevvaaa

[burnt matrix]

@ripe valley is pretty good at knowing when an update is about to happen…

[ripe valley]

Totally by chance, I was searching for an update on another core.

[sacred goblet]

When will be it available with update saturn script?

[burnt matrix]

“totally by chance, I just finished updating the core to my GitHub because I am secretly srg320”

[mortal mist]

Will appear in unstable nightlies

[ripe valley]

If only I knew 1% of the knowledge of srg320 on Verilog and FPGA programmation...

Or even when Andy D could explain some issues.

Ressources reduction was almost necessary as the last versions of the core were at 99% of the whole LUT usage.

[burnt matrix]

how did you reduce it?

[ripe valley]

Something that needs to be addressed to srg320.

[burnt matrix]

[sacred goblet]

What is "LUT"?

[mortal mist]

https://circuitfever.com/what-is-a-lut-in-fpga

[ripe valley]

LookUp Table, small reprogrammable parts of the FPGA, if I want to explain quite simply.

[sacred goblet]

Thanks i will look at it

[ripe valley]

We have a finite number of it inside a FPGA.

And like other devs here have already explained (Robert), when we are reaching or exceeding 90% of LUT usage, it will be much more complex for adressing everything on time and compiling with timings requirements.

[gloomy hedge]

Holy shit here we go

[sacred goblet]

Available

[gloomy hedge]

Shit ram people time to ride

[mortal mist]

battles and sprites in Grandia fixed

[ripe valley]

I'm checking my opened issues within the next minutes.

[mortal mist]

Assault Suit Leynos 2 no change

[hard reef]

There were font issues in Delisoba Deluxe that now appear fixed

[ripe valley]

Tenchi wo Kurau II and Super Tempo NOT fixed.

Rayman is broken, same bug as with SSF (controls are too sensible now and are crashing the input poll rate). Same changes are necessary on the SCU for a regression fix.
I've seen the same bug on Kronos back then, I will check if I have the discussion with FCare, Benjamin and myself on how they fixed the bug anymore.

[gloomy hedge]

@naive whale bacon time

no change in sega rally for me

white screens after stage 1

shows stage 2 flash screen, and then white screens

[mortal mist]

so no change for 2.5

[gloomy hedge]

for that game yeah

tryin a few others

Blast Wind still incurs the sound issues

so no change there

[naive whale]

following along. No vid today. Early next week

@ me with improvements 🙂

[gloomy hedge]

no big

I'll send y ou any footage if there is any lol

[mortal mist]

for me the correct operation of sdram 2.5 with core saturn is the same as with 2.9, it is not there for now.

[gloomy hedge]

cotton 2 crashes in stage 1 as usual

so far no changes

[gloomy hedge]

sorry can you restate that, should I not continue testing?

[mortal mist]

yes sure

for me the correct operation of sdram 2.5 with core saturn should be the same as with 2.9, it is not there for now

[gloomy hedge]

soukyugurentai no longer crashes for me! win!

no sound tho

[burnt matrix]

is that kingdom Grandprix

[gloomy hedge]

no

you gotta work on your japanese my friend lol

thats shippu mahou daisakusen

[burnt matrix]

is that super Mario bros

[gloomy hedge]

yes

lmao

this is much more stable for this game

it used to crash immediately for me

[burnt matrix]

LMAO I like that you were typing something and probably realized halfway through “this guy is an idiot”

[gloomy hedge]

hahahahaha

I did not!

[burnt matrix]

Lolol

[gloomy hedge]

I was gaming!

[burnt matrix]

I’ll have to check out soukyugurentai, awesome that it works now

[gloomy hedge]

so this is one win tho

yeah its not crashing in the cutscrenes or anything

there are graphical issues with the sprites

but I think its some of the shader type shadow things

smaller issues, still playable

[mortal mist]

Daytona menu fixed

[ripe valley]

Rockman 8 intro FMV is fixed.

No more stuttering.

[mortal mist]

Pandemonium intro FMV works ok now too

[ripe valley]

But the game remains slow.

[mortal mist]

yes

[ripe valley]

For Rayman, I think the problem is on the SCU interrupt mask mechanism.
More a flag incorrectly set on the SMPC on register OREG.
But I don't know to do it, so I will leave some clues to srg 320 on the issue report.

[gloomy hedge]

smooth intro no stutter full sound

(shit ram reporting in)

ya good here

im just watching cartoons

does this game have a gameplay part

[tawny forge]

I wonder what a Simple Look Up Table would be? 🤔

[gloomy hedge]

fuck thi sgame is fun

im having zero issues with game speed @ripe valley

[mortal mist]

Pandemonium is slow

[gloomy hedge]

oh

not mm8

gotcha

[ancient surge]

Been busy collecting more games to test out so I haven't tested out the new core build yet.

[tawny pendant]

Sega Rally music still cuts out on whatever RAM the multisystem uses. Some graphics are fixed though.

[gloomy hedge]

do you get past stage 1

[tawny pendant]

Yes

[gloomy hedge]

Hyper Duel Intro still doesnt work on 2.5

BUT the game doesnty IMMEDIATLEY crash now!

you dont have to speedrun the options to get into the game

[burnt matrix]

Does anyone else get major audio stuttering in Powerslave/Exhumed? I wonder if that’s fixed.

[naive whale]

last time I played it I dont remember stuttering but wow that was probably September last year

[burnt matrix]

I use the dual ram build, maybe it’s better on the single ram build?

[naive whale]

I cant remember what I tested it on last time

I stopped using 2.5V and moved to 2.9V or Dual 3.0V depending on tests late summer

[mortal mist]

I have not noticed that problem , only with the shading. I also use DS

[gloomy hedge]

so Hyper Duel is now stable to run and it doesnt crash in menus and stuff on 2.5 for sure, this is a good change

Thunder Force V still unstable on 2.5 ram

[ripe valley]

Puyo Puyo Sun is fixed (as well as NBA Jam sprites and some other games).

[naive whale]

ooh that sprite issue on NBA Jam in my last vid was fixed eh?

Maybe check asuka 120 then...seemed like a similar problem

[mortal mist]

I am in the second level now, as for now no problems

music is ok, sound and speech ok etc.

[ripe valley]

The sprite problem was the same for some games, a problem with the frame buffer if I read correctly the changelog on the VDP.

[burnt matrix]

hooray! going to check it out now

[ripe valley]

Asuka 120% is fixed too, but it remains some sounds missing when doing special moves.
Like some interrupts aren't catched in time by the sound chip or are neutralized.

[hard reef]

Guardian Heroes (usa) seems to have issues - not sure if this is a recent regression as it’s been a while since I played last

[gloomy hedge]

fighters megamix works AWESOME on 2.5!

just really quiet sound

[mortal mist]

what issues ?

[naive whale]

Its been stable for awhile

[gloomy hedge]

there is crunch
its on specific stages and character combinations

[hard reef]

Can’t progress from the character select and choosing load game seemed to lock up. Hmm could it be save data I wonder? As I just went to options first then it was ok….

[mortal mist]

yes, confirmed

controller not responding

the second time it worked

[naive whale]

gonna capture some Power Slave cause of you @burnt matrix

and Asuka 120 improvements

to go with some other shit

[mortal mist]

and everthing is super slow now

controller not working again

maybe this is related to the problem Rayman has

same for core 20240204, works ok with core 20240202

[ripe valley]

Time Gal & Ninja Hayate (Japan) (En,Ja) are working ( @naive whale )

[burnt matrix]

Arrrrg I died in the third level by falling in the acid!!

this game rules

I love the level design

It’s a halfway step between doom and quake

[mortal mist]

thanks for the info ! I reported the bug on github.

[burnt matrix]

@mortal mist you are so awesome for keeping on top of GitHub issues ❤️

[naive whale]

ooh interesting

[mortal mist]

Zet-sensei is a master , not me 🙂

[burnt matrix]

Oh yeah he’s building the core

[ripe valley]

Guardian Heroes can't even load on my systems.

So maybe SCU AND DDRAM issues, 2 for 1.
I've seen similar issues in-game like with Rayman on that game with SW emulators, that's right.

[burnt matrix]

my name is @naive whale and oh my god have you played Grandia, it’s the best game of all time, oh wow look at it. Did you see the sprites have lines in them? That is the core development, there are lines in sprites. Like and subscribe”

[naive whale]

trying some captures now

[burnt matrix]

I just did your video for you, you’re good

[mortal mist]

Yes, for me it only launches on the 3rd to 4th attempt. I have also reported this.

[naive whale]

and I took care of your old lady last night...glad we can trade work now and again

[mortal mist]

work ok with 20240202 core

[ripe valley]

20040206 is broken for Guardian Heroes ?

[mortal mist]

yes, 04 too

[ripe valley]

Okay.

[naive whale]

lol I am still so afraid of wearing my headphones when capturing Saturn

[burnt matrix]

Cause of the audio pops?

[mortal mist]

concerns are valid 😄

different volume levels

[naive whale]

sometimes its too loud randomly

[ancient surge]

Cool it looks normal again.

[naive whale]

Power Slave does seem better @burnt matrix

[burnt matrix]

Why does everyone in that game look like a fat baby?

[naive whale]

stop teeing up jokes lol

[burnt matrix]

Aww the Formula Karts game doesn’t work anymore

[naive whale]

It has performance anxiety...you told me that you are affected by that too

[pearl harbor]

It's a travesty that Robby abandoned his fat baby profile icon.

[naive whale]

sorry was I supposed to keep that private?

I cant seem to find issue with the sprites in Grandia now

[ripe valley]

Neither do I.

[naive whale]

so that seems fixed along with Asuka 120. Not gonna retest NBA Jam. I do not care about that one enough

[ripe valley]

Just the menus aren't aligned for Grandia.

[pearl harbor]

I should retest Shining Force III, and see if it still has common random crashes in battle.

[ripe valley]

I was going to ask. 😁

[ancient surge]

Just popping in different games to see if there are any issues.

[ripe valley]

I should try Taromaru and/or Darius Gaiden at a later time.
I'm pretty busy today.

Is it possible to retest Dragon Master Silk when possible too ? Thanks @ancient surge

[naive whale]

capturing Time Gal now. That didnt work before eh?

[ripe valley]

The game was freezing on a black screen with just some score layer after the first in-game FMV (Time gal being inside the whirl).

[naive whale]

works great now

[ripe valley]

For Ninja Hayate, the game was freezing on a similar screen after Ninja Hayate was swimming hidden with a bamboo straw.

[naive whale]

probably do vid mon or tues since I just did Saturn at 4 pm yesterday

def not 4 tomorrrow...sending it out to die against the Superballstravaganza

[ripe valley]

So, you have everything for explaining on your next video what wasn't working before.

[naive whale]

Eh?

[ripe valley]

I was saying that if you add Time Gal on the video, you know how older builds were doing with the game - the game was freezing on some FMV before entering the main game.

[ancient surge]

I tested it out earlier, and nothing was changed.

[ripe valley]

Okay, thanks for your time and the test. @ancient surge
Gotta go for now.

[naive whale]

Ahh I get it. Yep all good

[ancient surge]

GOD DAMMIT NOT AGAIN

[naive whale]

“Things @burnt matrix heard in the bedroom in two minutes or less for $1000 Alex”

[pearl harbor]

Interesting, I actually got through the first battle in Shining Force III without a crash! First time that has ever happened.

Not sure yet if it was just pure luck, or that there has actually been a genuine improvement on that front.

[tough star]

Galaxy Attack is a fun shooter

[tough star]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BpCRjALSAAe4lQGfaJgoiDZu6aLFrVOLdSEJqN4EgIg/edit#gid=1672748014

testers wanted

does anyone have an idea what this means?

does that mean revisions?

[mortal mist]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Roms/comments/fyhoit/redump_sega_saturn_collection_1m_naming_scheme/

[ancient fractal]

Whoa, that’s a ton of changes

[tough star]

well untested needs to be less 😄

[green mauve]

is there a test rom for the saturn? I used to be able to load saturn games on both my misters but now they dont work on either - im using v.3 2 chip ram, games are in /saturn bios has been changed to boot.rom

the core loads but when i try to load a game it doesnt start

[stiff patrol]

is it the bios for the correct region and are you setting the region in the core

or are you usign a region free bios

also you should be using the Redump Saturn sets not anything home made

[green mauve]

yeah bios is correct - it just says checking disk format - i suspect its the roms im using (although they did used to work!)

[stiff patrol]

go for the redump set

its the one thats known to work

[green mauve]

thank you, ill download a test file from that

[stiff patrol]

I use the CHD variants

[green mauve]

is there a preferred bios file to rename?

[stiff patrol]

I use the Hi Saturn v 1.02 region free

[naive whale]

I just simulated the Super Bowl on Madden 97 on the Saturn core and the results came in:...John Madden said @burnt matrix sucks

[stiff patrol]

lies Taylor wasnt there

[green mauve]

changed the bios - downloaded from that dump - still get the same problem, bios shows up but the game wont load, dang

[stiff patrol]

with a redump set ?

[green mauve]

yeah

just goes to checking disk format