Sega Saturn

[quick sorrel]

That’s some pudding

[wise brook]

mister vs Saturn

will post to the git in a min

[wet hull]

Yes video playback is darker

Sound still needs attention

[mortal mist]

yeah , srg320 is working on getting rid of the bugs , everything will come in time

[ancient surge]

Oh so that's why Super Tempo doesn't work.

[tawny forge]

Only possible on MARS for sure 🙃

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/congratulations-congrats-gif-7153925059566690274

[ripe valley]

The sole thing that should be complex with the MiSTer should be the Video Card support.

Everything else needs time, attention and research.

People tend to not remember or even don't have the knowledge from where we came from with the Saturn emulation.

[hearty marten]

The core doesn’t seem that far off to me

[tawny forge]

It isn’t

[mortal mist]

what is already there , is a very big achievement

it will certainly get better and better

[thorn pagoda]

to be fair even srg isn't (or wasn't) sure its possible at the outset

he was basically like "well it better fit on the de10 cos thats what i've got" (paraphrasing)

[mortal mist]

yes of course, but I prefer to be careful and not say what is possible and what is not at this stage, I am not an fpga or Saturn expert . I prefer to wait for the final result

[thorn pagoda]

yeah i trust his judgement and he's still at it like, two years later so he must still think its probably possible at least

[ripe valley]

I don't pretend to be an expert but I served as a beta tester for the most Saturn SW emulators these last 20 years.
And I've seen where all the devs had to pass and understand on the architecture of the Saturn ecosystem.
What struggles and what is lacking on all implementations.
And how they surpassed their own limitations and done new discoveries + some undocumented findings.

[wet hull]

I'll be honest, if the sound issues are sorted, this is a stable core

Currently playing through Shining force 3

[burnt matrix]

Sound had less pops for me on yesterday’s build. Running dual ram.

It’s hilarious. It’s like the Saturn is an old timey record player.

[ripe valley]

From my point of view, when I check the last commits on the core, srg320 seems to search mostly on squashing the last bugs on the two VDP chips.
That's also why I'm doing mostly issue reports (and thanks also to the others here) on errors coming from those chips.

[burnt matrix]

Yah, he’s focus firing on the visuals. Smart move.

[ripe valley]

For the games which can't be launched, most probably some race conditions or some specific cases to be implemented on the SCU.

From my personal experience of past beta testing phases, the SCSP chip (sound chip) is the most complex to implement in terms of efficiency and timings.
You need the rest to be in order before working on it.

And people like Steve Kwok (NOVA) or even FCare (Kronos) have focused on other chips implementations and synchro before even working on the SCSP more thoroughly.

I'm pretty confident on the core for one thing : the core could run Rayman without any hack implemented.

That game is a pretty nice test-case in itself, I had access to the source code of the game years ago and the team working on it was pure evil or old French demomakers wanting to show off their skills on a rather 'new' system.
That's also why all those 3D levels transitions and some 2D optimizations tricks on that game.

All SW emulators either can't get the game to work and the commands to respond without going completely crazy (SSF/old versions of Kronos), or without relying on specific hacks & special cases (Mednafen/Beetle, NOVA).

Sure, a scene from a single stage have a problem on vertical scrolling, but everything else just works like intended.
Pretty impressive for me, and that shows the already mature situation of the core.

[wet hull]

About visuals, need to test Cotton 2 again. I remember that stage 2 backgrounds had some vertical tearing

[tall radish]

MARS will also solve world hunger.

[mortal mist]

that's for sure , houses on Mars etc.

[burnt matrix]

Let’s keep other FPGA talk to #fpga-platforms please. Sorry to be a stick in the mud.

[burnt matrix]

Was that the only game with vertical tearing?

[wet hull]

Only one I can remember

[ripe valley]

"Saturn wasn't built in a day"

[cursive turtle]

The Saturn can be tamed

[wise brook]

I just saw your comment on github, I just noticed corruption myself but wasn't sure how best to proceed

[ripe valley]

At the moment, we're just leaving a note there.
I don't know if we should split it with two issue reports or not, as it is also FMV-related.

[wise brook]

exactly what I was thinking.

I briefly played my favorite Saturn hidden gem this morning

Vatlva

I am determined to make an English translation of that game this year

[ripe valley]

I played it just yesterday.

As Yuzo Koshiro and the ANCIENT team worked on it.

[wise brook]

part of what peaked my interest, I also happen to have the vcd card

oh and I discovered https://youtube.com/shorts/GwwVcWRC_3s?si=0M1P1vtgwTl3zPMI

another Koshiro project

with a damn cool style, sadly ps1 exclusive but more folks should know this

[gloomy hedge]

I havent seen any negativity personally, I think people can have their own theories and expectations on what can be accomplished on the hardware, thats not negativity in my eyes

its just another ceiling that needs breaking

[gloomy hedge]

unfortunately cotton 2 for me hangs occasionally, enough not to be able to play for too long, of course there is also no sound but I put that aside haha

I did get to go to the stage 1 boss and confiscate his gear and then defeat him and carry him up into the sky

and then it crashed after tea time hehe

[wet hull]

Weird

It works fine here

No crashing

[gloomy hedge]

yeah thats the core for ya

[wet hull]

What hardware?

[gloomy hedge]

its tailored for everyones mister

[wet hull]

4 chip sdram?

Villena?

[gloomy hedge]

I dont know, it doesnt matter, I did all the research a couple times for this forum but it doesnt seem to make a difference, I could dig up my pictures I guess

[wet hull]

Apparently it is not compatible with that sdram

[gloomy hedge]

I havent seen bulletproof literature about sdram compatibility so far, so I'm leaving it aside until the core is good enough for me to bring it up as an issue

[wet hull]

Cotton 2 from Redump set?

[gloomy hedge]

I think I have like 2.6?

yes redump

although there are TWO redump sets

I'll look up my ram pics and send across, but I dont want to unscrew my mister again tbh

it hasnt seemed to help in the past

I think out of the 5 or 6 people I know who have misters, everyone has a different experience with the core, so it just is what it is, im sure its SDRAM related but if at some point the core is complete and there is a "SDRAM requirement" published, I'll have to take that seriously haha

would be the only core with this, I assume, at least so far

till then I will simply wait for now, but happy to help if there is testing required of course

[ripe valley]

Two ?

[gloomy hedge]

yes

there are two on archive

this

and

\

this

I use the former

ahem used to BACK UP YOUR ORIGINAL SATURN DISCS THAT YOU OWN AND ALL THAT LEGAL SHIT DONT SUE ME PLEASE

[stiff patrol]

2nd one is later so presumably better

[ripe valley]

There is only one set, which is not supported at all by Redump people (nor encouraged).
But two uploads on a site, okay.

[ripe valley]

Sued into oblivion. 😏

[pearl harbor]

Wait what? The game consistently crashes in battles when using healing spells! It even crashes at other random times during battle.

[ripe valley]

Maybe playing some other scenario discs ?

Shining Force III - Scenario 1 - Outo no Kyoshin, Shining Force III - Scenario 2 - Nerawareta Miko, or even Shining Force III - Scenario 3 - Hyouheki no Jashinguu.

[gloomy hedge]

[gloomy hedge]

HMMMMMM

but yeah redump good

[ember frost]

If i'm using the above build should i expect the 3d controller to work? I got one to and cant seem to get it to work.

[mortal mist]

Your core is broken 🤪

[pearl harbor]

I knew it!

[pearl harbor]

It does work.

[mortal mist]

Shining Force III is not for you

[pearl harbor]

Me and @sudden tusk

[mortal mist]

I am currently playing Shining the Holy Ark

[tough star]

I heard it was very polished

[ember frost]

sweet i will trouble shoot in my end then. Thanks

[pearl harbor]

What adapter are you using? If it's the older misteraddons adapter, you need to slightly pull the controller's plug out of the adapter.

[ember frost]

ah yeah it is from a while ago. let me give that a try

[pearl harbor]

Thankfully the newer ones fixed that. I have one of the older ones and one of the newer ones.

[ember frost]

that worked thanks

[cunning oak]

Never played Panzer Dragoon before, though now I understand why everyone likes it

[slow osprey]

You're saying that even with Dual SDRAM you think the core won't reach full game compatibility?

[wet hull]

Should’ve written “just started with…”

Had to get the updated version of yhe translation

[sudden tusk]

So it’s shinning force working ?

[ripe valley]

So JPN Scenario 1 to 3 translated into English.

[sudden tusk]

Yep , but as far as I know they don’t currently work

https://tenor.com/view/okie-dokie-gif-14150021

[mortal mist]

This can only be known by the author of the core , when he is finished with the core we will know , I do not advise to be suggested by posts of this type.

[stiff patrol]

yep the people stating this are not core devs and so have no idea whats possible or not

[drifting frigate]

LOL, you heal? GitGud.

[sudden tusk]

Don’t even get me started on why PD is the most influential game of its era .. it brought together everything that the next two gens of gaming would be known for ..

[sudden tusk]

Heals ? We don’t need no stinking heals !

https://tenor.com/view/blazing-saddles-badges-gun-we-dont-need-stinking-badges-gif-15462454

[clear condor]

The original source of that quote is The Treasure of the Sierra Madre, a really good movie

[burnt matrix]

wat, even at the time panzer dragoon wasn't really influencing anything

[clear condor]

That's not for you to decide

[sudden tusk]

Open 24/7

[burnt matrix]

fml, can't have shit in mister discord

[sudden tusk]

Thank @frail token

[clear condor]

ban 'em all

[sudden tusk]

Don’t Ban me bruhhhh!

[burnt matrix]

I'm just going to play panzer dragoon and keep killing the dragon over and over, that'll show you

also panzer dragoon saga is pretty cool

[sudden tusk]

Best rpg of its generation

[burnt matrix]

maaaan really

[sudden tusk]

Hands down fuck Final fantasy

[burnt matrix]

I'm real early on, it's just so out there but i love how the entire series just feels otherwordly and foreign

being out there is a good thing, it's really cool

ok I'll stop rambling, wish I played panzer dragoon when it came out. at least I bought Orta day one

[sudden tusk]

I’m street fighting!! Love me some jotego arcade cores

[pearl harbor]

Just wait until you play the sequel!

[pearl harbor]

Hey, it also crashes often when you don't heal! .......

[sudden tusk]

Bummer duuuude!!

[pearl harbor]

Yeah, it's one of the games I test with every new core build. Can't wait until the day I can play it without having to get through that lengthy cutscene before the first battle every time just to test it.

[kindred peak]

Ah, so it's partially your fault the Saturn failed? Robby...

[pearl harbor]

If Robby had just made Doom 2016 for the Saturn back in the day, it would have been successful. Shame.

[balmy prawn]

Everyone knows Doom 3 is best Doom

[lavish wadi]

What?! No new core today? Sheesh….🤣

[hardy lodge]

Don't tell him but he did really great work on that and eternal. What a boss.

[pearl harbor]

I'll only tell him after his daily beating. He'll be too dazed and confused to remember.

Oops, I think I said the quiet part out loud!

[hardy lodge]

Joke's on you, he is always dazed and confused.

[tough star]

found my 8bitdo M30

just wondering how one views the map in SotN

[pearl harbor]

Which version are you playing? Unpatched, or one of the translations?

[tough star]

oh press L on the menu

[pearl harbor]

Unpatched, it's going into the menu, and then pressing the L button.

[tough star]

I have the ultimate translation

the one which was pulled inline with the PSX one

[pearl harbor]

That version it's a button combo. I remember the start button is one of the buttons...

[tough star]

start - left still works

thanks

I don't get the hate for this game

[hardy lodge]

What do you mean, hate? Symphony is a well beloved game and one of the most important in the franchise.

[tough star]

the saturn version is mostly not as loved as the PSX version

[hardy lodge]

Well it's only gotten that fancy translation like a month ago, right?

[tough star]

I like how they kept the PSX translation

hehehehe

[drifting frigate]

I'm sick of hearing how that guy knows us.

[ancient surge]

A while back someone mentioned Cotton 2 was not working.

So I decided to test it out again, and it seems to be pretty fine for me. Beat the first boss, play the "catch the tea" minigame, the cutscene plays afterwards, can get onto the next stage, etc.

I don't know the exact issue, but maybe it's a RAM timing issue?

[tribal burrow]

Quick question, do I still need to be on unstable for the latest Saturn build to work? (Single ram)

[ancient surge]

Found a new problem. Dragon Master Silk is having issues with rendering the walls. Specifically when dealing with diagonal angles, it causes the polygons to become distorted.

[frail token]

https://tenor.com/view/curse-aukerman-comedy-fist-in-air-shaking-gif-5620082

[ancient surge]

You can use the latest stable main build and be fine. There hasn't been a main update in a while related to the SEGA Saturn.

[tribal burrow]

thanks!

[ripe valley]

I've seen and isolated a rendering bug on Cotton 2, on Stage 2.
Like Toya said.
Issue report done.

[ancient surge]

I thought someone mentioned the game being unplayable because the first boss crashed?

That's what I was focusing on.

[ripe valley]

Aktane have some problem with the game, that's right.

I was focused on another bug report.

[naive whale]

It’s worked for awhile

[tall radish]

if it works, it's not stupid 👌

[drifting frigate]

My uncle worked every day of his life. Dumb as a box of rocks.

[burnt matrix]

works fine on my pi

[tall radish]

Do you have a pi5?

[burnt matrix]

lol I do but I prefer using the MiSTer

[tall radish]

how much better is dreamcast emulation vs the 4?

[burnt matrix]

Never had a 4, but the emulation seems good. I am definitely not someone to ask for any accurate information though.

[lusty rapids]

reject pi, buy ryzen apu minipc

[burnt matrix]

I am unfortunately spoiled by the MiSTer’s lack of input lag and ease of use. Even if the current core isn’t perfect I still prefer to play on MiSTer than any other option.

Obviously other options to play games are amazing and wonderful. It’s just my preference.

@lusty rapids is probably right though

[tall radish]

Anything the mister can do for sure. Like DC, certain arcade games, sinden light gun

[burnt matrix]

yeah it’s a cool compliment

Sorry for taking us offtopic

[serene thunder]

dang it

[burnt matrix]

I can’t say it enough; thanks for following up on those bugs and reporting them. It’s people doing what you do that makes this core so great!

[gloomy hedge]

I just checked unstable nightlies and there wasnt a core

thats it

pack it up

we're done here

(I'm hype over the next update!)

[sterile roost]

What’s wrong with Rayman?

[left hollow]

He doesn't have any arms

[naive whale]

he's never lonely though because he does have hands

[tall radish]

however he has no legs

[left hollow]

All the ladies love the hands because he's not limited to where the hands can go compared to if they were connected to arms

[left hollow]

#unhinged

[ripe valley]

A small error on a background plane during the Anguish Lagoon stage.
When you are getting to the Mosquito boss.
Nothing of great importance, maybe a typo in the VDP2 code.

[mortal mist]

yeah, otherwise it works very well, I spent some time with Rayman 😄

Rayman , Megaman are games , you want to check for a while and you play for a few hours

[sacred goblet]

I notice that in NBA jam during team sélection the screen is flickering. I m not sure is this is normal or no.

[mortal mist]

NBA Jam Extreme or NBA Jam Tournament Edition ?

[sacred goblet]

NBA jam tournament edition

[mortal mist]

ok thanks

[mortal mist]

USA ver ?

[sacred goblet]

I dont remember if was usa or Europe. I can't verify now im not at home but i think was USA.

[mortal mist]

ok thank you , just wanted to test the same version

[sacred goblet]

I was playing it with last version.

[ripe valley]

Several SW emulators have the same bug.

I was reading some old Saturn emulators source codes (especially interested by the 1.28.00 version of Mednafen), as I see some notes in order to correct Discworld as being unresponsive with a controller.
And also the problem with the US/EU versions of Primal Rage being finnicky for booting/responding in-game.
The same bugs that we have on the core currently.
Really seems to be SMPC-related condition with a special case to be declared.

At the moment, I see where the two problems could come from, but I can't translate them to the core source code (syntax is completely different).
Maybe giving that hint to srg320 at a latter time through the issue report logs.

[mortal mist]

I see , there is some information in the changelog

nice find @ripe valley

https://mednafen.github.io/documentation/ChangeLog.txt

[ripe valley]

I've left a note on the two issues as I don't understand clearly what Rypheca have done on two registers on the SMPC when fixing it.

[mortal mist]

Yeah, same for me

@sacred goblet please create a ticket https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues

[wise brook]

do it for Segata

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/segata-sanshiro-nod-yes-gif-5612081

[ancient surge]

You think there will be a new update today? Srg has been pretty consistent as of late, so I wouldn't be surprised if he drops another one.

[mortal mist]

Yesterday Russia again launched a massive missile attack on Ukraine ☹️

[wise brook]

I follow the war closely

[burnt matrix]

ok so the Segata game is just a goofy mini game collection right?

[wise brook]

yip

it's like wario ware but good

[clear condor]

rude

[sudden tusk]

Wow read the chat for two minutes and already reached my max sarcasm level

I’m working on acquiring Og hardware with a fenrir installed for accuracy testing

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-mean-to-boast-brag-humble-neil-degrasse-tyson-startalk-gif-15480233

[sacred goblet]

Done

[weak hamlet]

Sorry I’m pretty new to installing and using this core but really keen to play shining force 3. Does anyone know what’s behind the crash on healing and if it’s likely to get fixed soon?

[stiff patrol]

The core is under active devlopment

its should not be regarded as fully stable, things will break and things will be fixed

[mortal mist]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues , here you can take a look at what the bugs are in the games, there are quite a few, I'm sure it will be fixed at some point.

but it is hard to say when this will happen

[weak hamlet]

Thank you appreciate it

[paper tiger]

i've been wanting to play shining force 3 for a long while too.. I started it up using the MODE on a regular saturn.. then dropped off after 5 minutes and have yet to go back 😂

i will though eventually

[sudden tusk]

I was very hopeful that the latest flurry of updates woulda solved that issue ..no clue what causes it ..

[mortal mist]

@sudden tusk , @pearl harbor I have just checked the Shinig Force III in the Japanese version and it works ok, casting the healing spell also

but the problem is with the eng patch version

there the game crashes when casting a spell

I cast the spell several times in the Japanese version

I'm even doing it now 😄

[glass aurora]

Dang. I've also been stuck in Shining Force 3 at the healing spell part. Wonder why it's just the English version that crashes. Wonder if the original version is completable.

[burnt matrix]

The only thing keeping the Saturn from being the ultimate retro console controller is a lack of a select button.

Discuss

[drifting crown]

You’re a select button.

[burnt matrix]

compelling tbh

[drifting crown]

It’s a good controller but the ultimate is and always will be the wii classic controller pro.

[mortal mist]

from what i remember psx core also sometimes has a problem with hacks and translations for games.

[pearl harbor]

We all know that the N64 controller is the best Saturn controller.

[pearl harbor]

But there's also an official english release of Shining Force III scenerio 1.

[glass aurora]

Oh yeah, forgot about that. Have you tried it?

[pearl harbor]

Honestly, it's been so long since I downloaded my copy of the game, I'm not even sure if it's the patched japanese version, or the original english release.

[mortal mist]

i will try org USA version

maybe the problem is only with the patched version. I'll check it out right away.

[pearl harbor]

I'm actually curious what was even changed with the patched version. I assume just a more faithful translation than the official one?

[mortal mist]

i think yes

https://sf3trans.shiningforcecentral.com/2022/11/21/sf3patch-version-24-released/

It is a pity that the introduction in this game is so long 😄

savestate would be useful

[glass aurora]

I've heard that for the first part in English they weren't planning on doing the other parts, so they rewrote the ending. so, if you want to play all the parts, you need to patch them all so that the story makes sense.

[mortal mist]

US version unfortunately also crashes

So for me only the JAP version works, I don't know why

today I will not go back to it , we will see what the next updates bring

[pastel basalt]

Yeah I’d agree with this

[glass aurora]

thanks for checking! saved us the time of sitting through those cutscenes

[hard mountain]

So I finally installed a Fenrir in my Saturn and wired it up on a PVM. I'm pretty much a noob on the Saturn library

but that means a lot is new to me, and I'm slowly enjoying trying stuff

the controller feels so nice, I didnt realize it until I played some games for a bit longer

[pearl harbor]

Saturn core hates english confirmed.

[frail token]

Get in line

[tall agate]

it's from https://www.arcade-projects.com/threads/sega-saturn-to-neo-geo-controller-adapters.8858/ I used diptrace to export it to a format that worked with easyEDA

@tawny forge u can grab mine here https://oshwlab.com/patrick_3134/snac-saturn

[kindred sundial]

Been very out of the loop with the newest core updates. Is Nights and/or Panzer Dragoon working with no audio dropouts yet?

[pliant osprey]

Does anyone know if Grandia having text incorrectly positioned (in-game menu and dialogue) is a known/reported issue?

[tough star]

redump or just a random dump?

[pliant osprey]

redump yes

[tawny forge]

Will take a look! Thank you!

[mortal mist]

If you are using a 2.4/2.5 ram then nothing has changed

[mortal mist]

best to test it yourself , people with 2.5 report that they still have problems

[wise brook]

I can't see how to download a Gerber zip

[tall agate]

click "open in editor" then

[wise brook]

king!

[tawny forge]

RetroFi 4P Saturn module coming soon™️

[naive whale]

Nice

[burnt matrix]

You can try reaching out to them to see if they sell it in puree form: https://www.gerber.com

[wise brook]

thanks, I processed an order earlier

[burnt matrix]

but that’s not baby food!!!

[wise brook]

famicom, Nes 2player, super famicom 2player, Sega Master System/Mega Drive & Sega Saturn

all in white/black so it looks a e s t h e t i c

these will be so much nicer than some already on sale

where they use pc db9 connectiors

gonna make 5 of each and sell off the excess at cost

cause I genuinely don't want to make a cash profit on them, I just want other people to have good snac adapters

some folks selling n64 snac for $25 plus shipping, I'll sell for 20 delivered

[burnt matrix]

Really cool! I love seeing how y’all share your talents with others.

[burnt matrix]

srg320 committed

VDP1:

• add frame buffer rotation modes (Shienryu,Power Drift,Hang-On GP)

VDP2:

• add support for rotation reading of frame buffer (Shienryu,Power Drift,Hang-On GP)
• add support for single density interlace mode (Shienryu)
• fix vertical scrolling changes in the middle of the screen (Shienryu)

👁️ 👄 👁️

[mortal mist]

Nice 🍻🥳

[tawny forge]

Looking forward to a commit message in the lines of "fix issues with shitty ram" 🙃

[alpine pagoda]

lol, so true, that’s what I look for every time 😂

[mortal mist]

Shitty ram 💩

[gloomy hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-my-honest-reaction-damn-skull-skeleton-gif-15885937969029652188

• added support for all y'all using ram sticks you found on the street

• you fucking plebs

[pearl harbor]

So Power Drift finally rotates!? That's one of the issues I test with every core update! I'll need to check it out in a bit!

[wooden dew]

Gonna happen as soon as my 3.0 ram arrives... it has made it to Canada, just on the coast opposite to me.

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/clueless-way-harsh-hurt-sad-reaction-gif-11372401375102012257

[clear condor]

When someone dealing with a military occupation still has better RAM than you 😦

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-gif-21933474

[sudden tusk]

Everyone report your findings !

[fallow surge]

I’m so happy Saturn dev is back in full swing love to see it

[gloomy hedge]

extremely bullied 😛

[fallow surge]

I’ve been on like a 2 month mister break, just observing the unstable nightly channels every now and again and it’s like n64 and Saturn updates are like dueling banjos levels of who can crank out a perfect mid 90s console core first

[gloomy hedge]

back in my day if you wanted a game to rotate you just turned your head

[fallow surge]

Makes me happy

[gloomy hedge]

you didnt need eastern europe or anything

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-analogy-everyone-resemblance-comparison-bill-nye-startalk-gif-12718164

[mortal mist]

I see that Grandia no longer has a problem with texture flickering in the introduction

[river wing]

Yep! the intro is perfect now! Grandia is such a lovely game...

[pearl harbor]

Do both for maximum effect! 🙃

[naive whale]

fun stuff. I have a saturn vid at 4 too. So these will have to wait till Sun or so

had some freezing / water issues in our bedroom today so I am taking it all apart sigh

[paper tiger]

I just realized that the SSD I have in my saturn is woefully lacking... only 128 gigs

lol

no wonder it was missing games

last I looked the isos are at least 700+ gigs zipped alone

[mortal mist]

Shining Force III still hangs 😛

[ancient surge]

Super Tempo still doesn't work.

[cunning citrus]

Fixes for Hang On GP

[mortal mist]

it probably shouldn't look like that 🙂

[naive whale]

haha nope but its an interesting looking glitch

[thorn pagoda]

awesome to see this core coming together so fast at this point

[wise brook]

I'd wait for an SMPC or SH-2 update to fix anything not booting

[ancient surge]

Just find it strange how it randomly broke.

[sudden tusk]

Part of the process

[strong hull]

I’ve seen some in Quake too on floors. Looks like flipped shading

[mortal mist]

same for Tomb Raider and Powerslave

[lucid needle]

Still no sound in Afterburner

[pearl harbor]

Finally tested Power Drift, and we have the long awaited screen rotation!

[ancient fractal]

Transparencies in Magic Knight Rayearth now render correctly

[gloomy hedge]

people with good ram - wow check this out this transparency renders great now!

everyone else - wait that game runs?

[gloomy hedge]

slow and steady wins the race

[drifting frigate]

Were you here for the early unstable load days? Where wired network load vs SD card vs USB vs WiFi all had wildly different results? In addition to RAM type. This is honestly the most stable it's ever been. Those were some days.

[mortal mist]

https://youtu.be/VK2IrqxQPCU

[sudden tusk]

Damn bro you been around the scene for a long minute

[drifting frigate]

Don't speak to me of the old majicks. Etc etc.

[drifting frigate]

That looks like (or related to) the incomplete gouraud issue. Damn Pandemonium! is bad that slow. I tried it on OG hardware and it's still not a great game for me, but it's way more interesting at full speed.

I'll play anything with Greg Proops in it though. (Episode One Racer honestly got me because I was a Whose Line fan...)

[mortal mist]

psx version is better 🙂

[naive whale]

Everyone in here testing Saturn meanwhile we ended up with water damage due to extreme cold in our bedroom and I’m just fixing that 🤣

[gloomy hedge]

damn bro the specular lighting in this screenshot is way better than the saturn could produce

the core is getting SICK

[naive whale]

Saturn vid in 5 minutes all the same. Just not all the new improvements will save those for Sunday probably

[gloomy hedge]

listen its your fault

if you were a real saturn fan

you'd be AwSaturn

[naive whale]

Water is gone and damage is mitigated. Not how I wanted to spend my day 🤣

[gloomy hedge]

but you're not, you like bacon more

so this is what we get

[gloomy hedge]

AwDryness

[naive whale]

AwBadJanuary lol

[gloomy hedge]

now that you're done with that errand - you can get back to writing a witty script for sundays vod

[naive whale]

smashed window, water damage in bedroom, couch leg broke last week randomly...disaster month!

[gloomy hedge]

genuinely sorry about that tho

that sucks real

[naive whale]

haha shit happens

[gloomy hedge]

it usually happens in the toilet unless your bathroom has water damage tho

[naive whale]

lol Ive found a few people shitting in our alley last year so...happens everywhere

you have footage in this video @gloomy hedge your Darius Gaiden stuff

[gloomy hedge]

cant wait to hear the witty banter on how shit I did in that run

whatever 75c clear 😛

[naive whale]

69c clear or GTFO

[gloomy hedge]

im sorry sir

your options are

25c or

https://tenor.com/view/50cent-car-bye-gif-12996685

[naive whale]

worst intern ever

https://youtu.be/GFWesOGbXb0

there you go kids

[gloomy hedge]

who is that on the rightr

thats not sonic

this isnt sega

awFraudulent

[kindred sundial]

Damn. Gonna have to mess around with this new core tonight. This is moving so quickly now. Curious if anyone knows what else still needs to be done audio wise? I’ve noticed some games I have perfect audio and others it clips or drops out.

[naive whale]

some games need volume regulation, some have perfect audio, some have issues. Just gotta wait for fixes

[ancient surge]

Might be related to the CDDA not being accurate.

[primal osprey]

Need to boot up Croc again

[gloomy hedge]

a lot

😆

[leaden dagger]

The joke name should have been Awfakon

[kindred sundial]

Ahh good to know! I anxiously await the day I can play Panzer Dragoons opening level with full audio.

[serene thunder]

Extreme cold doesn't mix with watersports

[naive whale]

NOW YOU TELL ME

[zinc vine]

awesome core, srg should implement snac input

[jagged quartz]

It's amazing what one can get done without the distraction of bullets whizzing around in the air, being all bad for your health.

Cheers to SRG320, and anyone else who made it out!

[pearl harbor]

Too many boody marys.

[naive whale]

Speaking of which I’m gonna be up in your neck of the woods next Saturday. Come to Milwaukee. I’ll buy you a bloody

[drifting frigate]

https://youtu.be/XVh2T1YEypk?t=20

[naive whale]

😂

I’m bringing my wife to a baby shower and I just need a bar friend while I drink beer and shot combos and rip tickets

Analog gambling is where it’s at

[drifting frigate]

I had an uncle who'd just chain smoke at a bowling alley playing pull tabs, scrounging for another buck worth of change under arcade machines when he ran out. They're skid row lotto, I swear. He stole my bike and sold it for drugs and pull tabs. :/

Spokane! See the sight! Then leave before dark!

[naive whale]

That sounds about right for a pull tab addict

[drifting frigate]

Nothing was right about him. I dunno if he's even still kicking. When you lose all your teeth at 25, prospects for a long life are generally not great. But I don't talk to that part of my family anymore. This is only on topic because Sega and Black Sheep go hand in hand.

[naive whale]

Is there even really an on topic on Saturn chat?

https://www.timeextension.com/news/2024/01/speedrun-world-records-are-being-contested-on-one-of-the-saturns-worst-games

We knew Hydlide was cool long before these jamokes

[drifting frigate]

Hah! Yeah. I totally enjoyed my time with it.

[pearl harbor]

I'm going to disappoint you...I don't actually drink! My doctor told me no alcohol at any time, since it's apparently really bad with my medication. Womp womp. I'll take a lemonade though! 🤷

[untold zephyr]

How do you save your game in magic knight rayearth

Been playing for a couple of hours, not noticed anywhere to save lol

[pearl harbor]

It's been awhile since I played it, but I think it's just in one of the menus. Pretty sure you can save any time.

[untold zephyr]

Thanks, I will check again!

[pearl harbor]

Just checked, and yeah press the start button and then select the "Illustrated Diary Writing" option.

[untold zephyr]

Ah yes, that's it! Ty

[untold zephyr]

Such a beautiful and comfy game to chill with.

[drifting frigate]

MKR was a great release overall. One of the best, 'lightest touch' Working Designs reworks.

And the box had a ton of cool goodies like stickers and stuff included.

[serene thunder]

That game has kookoo artwork
That and Astal are kind of a good duo for eye candy
Plus both are pretty easy to finish

I nominate them as good games for Saturn newbs

... and BUG! also

[pearl harbor]

Magic Knight Rayearth is also a great game to have purchased back when it was new and still have your copy in like-new condition with the case and all inserts and have it be worth a lot of money today.

Thank you for reading my run-on sentence.

[mortal mist]

[ripe valley]

EDIT : Possible regression on Rabbit.

I wanted to test the game as I see an issue report today, I can't reproduce the bug from @cold egret
The game goes in-game for me without any problem, but I have only a big blue square box on the character select screen now with core 20240125.

Rabbit broke on core 20240122.
Core 20240120 is okay, so there is a regression.

[sacred goblet]

I notice that mode screen sélection in Daytona usa is corrupted with last version. I did not remember it was in 20240120.

[ripe valley]

I can confirm too, but the corruption is already on version 20240120.

I've rapidly tested Daytona USA on the last 6 months releases, the corruption is already there.

[ripe valley]

I've opened an issue, thanks.

[naive whale]

And they let you stay in WI?

[ripe valley]

And I've seen another problem with the FMVs on Yu-NO (NSFW game).

[mortal mist]

Unfortunately can't check now , but did the intro in Pandemonium always shake ? 😄

Yesterday I noticed it , tomorrow morning I will leave for some time, I no longer have time to test anything

[ancient surge]

This is the blue box you're talking about?

By the way, the character select screen still works. Managed to get into a fight despite the corrupted graphics.

[ancient surge]

Yeah there is definitely a shaking that shouldn't be there.

Magical Hoppers also sort of does it too, but it's a little more stable about it.

[mortal mist]

thanks for checking 👍🏻

[ripe valley]

Yes.

So, a VDP regression when doing changes between the 20/01 and 22/01.

[burnt matrix]

New srg320 commit:

VDP2: fix latching of screen mode settings (Gokujou Parodius Da! Deluxe Pack)
SCU: fix A-BUS DMA with invalid address (Tactics Ogre-Let Us Cling Together)

[hearty carbon]

Fucking hero.

[ripe valley]

Oh yeah!

[quick sorrel]

srg320 is really doing great work now that he's in a better living space. 😄 (Is this his first core?)

[wise brook]

no

you can see all his work on github

[burnt matrix]

https://github.com/srg320?tab=repositories

[clear condor]

https://github.com/srg320/Arcade-Battletoads_MiSTer

[burnt matrix]

New Saturn build!

#unstable-nightlies message

[ancient surge]

Super Tempo still doesn't boot. Was kind of hopeful that maybe the change to the A-BUS DMA would of changed anything, but it seems to be a different problem.

[ripe valley]

Shutsudou! Miniskirt Police neither.

[kind stump]

Yep, looks like its been there for a while

[ripe valley]

The whole Parodius games are playable on the core now.

The first one on the MSX collection, the others on the Gokujou compilation + Jikkyou Oshaberi - Forever with me + Sexy Parodius.

[pearl harbor]

srg320 is a flipp'n king. He's really knocking out these updates!

[pearl harbor]

They only let me stay because of my dad's Harley Davidson credentials.

[naive whale]

Ooh new Saturn. Fun

[river wing]

I understand you are the guy from VGE. I watch all your videos, but please please speak a bit slower, you don't need to fill every microsecond with words.
Just take your time to think, it's too intense like you do now.
This is a constructive critic, I will watch your videos anyway.

An example of nice and good talking would be "Import Gaming for the Winner", who has well documented videos where he talks in a natural way, instead of forced like a Micromachines commercial.

[raw sparrow]

There are chrome plugins to speed up or down vídeos, in small steps. You can always try - 10% speed …

[river wing]

It's not about the speed of the videos, but about how "unnatural" it sounds. Just trying to make his videos better, really!
Also, I don't use Chrome but Firefox, I won't be caught dead using any Google software locally.

[pearl harbor]

Safari for life!

[river wing]

Safari is a propietary piece of software, I don't see any reason to defend the interests of private companies, even if you work for them.

[burnt matrix]

HELL YES BROTHER

[hearty carbon]

I still have Chrome for the rare times when something doesn't work correctly on Firefox

[river wing]

There's Chromium for that

[pearl harbor]

But I was talking about going on an actual jungle safari...what does that have to do with software? || ||

[hearty carbon]

do they do safaris in the jungle?

I always thought that was a savannah thing?

[pearl harbor]

I'll safari where I want to!

[hearty carbon]

I went on a safari this morning.

Saw some fat squirrels

[naive whale]

Yeah prolly not gonna change lol

[gloomy hedge]

I SEE BUILD I TYPE

whats it gonna do

[river wing]

Why? Does the algorithm somehow make you talk like that to improve monetization?
Genuine curiosity

[gloomy hedge]

will my mister explode

can I put a condom on the sd card before plugging it in, will that help

[naive whale]

It’s how I talk. Just how it is

[hearty carbon]

I pay him an extra $10 a month on Patreon to speak at that speed

I have shit to do.

[naive whale]

Double that and I’ll talk 2x as fast

[hearty carbon]

😄

[river wing]

If that's the case, then I am sorry for my suggestion. You sound like a passionate guy but I could use some space between phrases. But thats you, so ok, ok, thanks for your work, really.

[naive whale]

No worries 🙂

[hearty carbon]

If we're voting, I vote you never change.

[stiff patrol]

I vote you breath Helium before the VO

then the next Time Sulphur Hexaflouride

[hearty carbon]

I honestly wish there were more written articles or videos with transcripts because I would rather read than watch a video but it would seem all of humanity disagrees with me on this point.

[naive whale]

Lol I never will. Impossible

[hearty carbon]

At least fast talkers get the video done quickly. 😄

Zero Punctuation, say what you want about those reviews, they're efficient.

[pine tundra]

Hello guys, anyone can tell me why on pal games there is black border on top?? Game is not centered

[stiff patrol]

because the core is beta and not finished

[pine tundra]

Oh OK, thank you for your answer. 🙂

[inner kayak]

was this filed on github?

[mortal mist]

yes

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/96

[inner kayak]

w00t

[lean forum]

Im having a problem with this core, where almost every time I start it up I get a snow noised video. Im pretty sure it's somehow the core, because I can from there jump to another core, and then get completely perfect video, jump again to another core, and still get perfect video. Randomly (can't figure out any correlatable reason), I can get clean video out of the saturn core, but then next power off power on, it goes back to noisy. I have a dual SD RAM setup (implying a digital IO board). I have tried both single and dual stick rbf files, as well as multiple versions of the files. The BIOS files are fine, because while video is snowy, it still runs games, and will boot into the BIOS.

Any help would be greatly appreciated 🙂

Also, thinking it COULD have been a PS problem, I just today got a 10A power supply

still sadly didn't fix the issue

[ancient surge]

Okay so have you played around with both the VRR and vsync settings to make sure it's not a compatibility issue?

[lean forum]

No, haven't done that

Lemme look into that

and THANK YOU

[stiff patrol]

Also make sure you have the dual ram installed correctly

https://misterfpga.co.uk/dual-sdram-mister-fpga/

that switch SW3 must be set for a digital IO board

[lean forum]

Yeah, I saw that, and Im 99% certain I did that, but I can definitely double check

[stiff patrol]

I assume you are going to a HDMI TV and not a CRT via an adaptor

[lean forum]

I do "tend" to follow, and definitely have a good (albeit never have done an emulator SW, or HW myself yet) understanding of all the HW stuff going on here, as I USED to be an FPGA HW and SW dev myself

Yes sir

AND, I have tried both a TV, and a (more) computer monitor (just thinking that somehow the HDMI signal might be being misinterpreted)

[stiff patrol]

other thing is to rename the Mister.ini to Mister.ini.old that will force a default ini file

if that works then its your ini

[lean forum]

what's SUPER interesting, is that when I boot JUST the BIOS, the BIOS overlay graphics dont have the snow on them, but the initial gray Saturn screen, and then thus the background graphics have the snow

then when a game is started, the entire screen (again) has snow

[stiff patrol]

try the default ini

and check that switch

also run the memtest core

and make sure your ram is actually good

Again I am assuming you are using 2 chip ram sticks

and not 4 chip ram sticks

and that your ram is modern 2,5 or above

[lean forum]

Yes, 2 chip from misteraddons

[stiff patrol]

and both sticks are facing outwards as required

and you are on the pins and not off by one

thats happened to people before

[lean forum]

Not off by one LOL, actually if done right, the digital board is tight enough designed around the sticks that it won't allow it LOL

[stiff patrol]

people have managed it

[lean forum]

LOL, I can imaging 🙂 Good note, Ill keep that in mind, and it has definitely been a WHILE since I have been a hardware guy, but...............

[stiff patrol]

your best bet is the default ini

[lean forum]

Ill try that, and the RAM test, Ive wondered if somehow I had a bad stick, so Ill run that overnight

[stiff patrol]

only need 15 mins

and it will only test one bank

it cant test the 2nd bank

[lean forum]

Has anybody looked into building a tester that can do both?

[stiff patrol]

yes but it could potentially damage the analog boards

so its not available

[lean forum]

Curious, are there any signals that could be read by software to know whether it is the analog or digital board present, or read that switch line to know it there is a second one installed?

By the way, my GOAL (as I will retire in around 2.5 years) is that I would love to get further involved with this hardware FPGA retro gaming community, perhaps as a dev myself.

[lean forum]

Hours in, and mem test still running LOL

[analog totem]

@lean forum the memtest never stops running. If it’s been running for hours without errors, your ram is probably good

[naive whale]

Yeah it never really stops. Well maybe in a month it might hit some weird limit. Or it just resets. Who knows 🤷🏻‍♂️

[harsh dew]

eventually the sun will go out in our solar system so that's probably a hard limit

[quick sorrel]

Holy shit is this for real? He made the SNES, Gen, and TG16 cores that we all use now? Amazing!!!!

[tall radish]

huh, I’m getting a repeatable crash in rayman with the single sdram build and a 128mb 3.0 stick. in the level right after getting the punch (so the 3rd full level) right after rescuing the orb dudes the game displays mostly a pink screen and freezes, though the music keeps playing

haven’t had problems with any other Saturn games so far; this is with the latest unstable core too

[ripe valley]

I can confirm, there is a regression on the third part of the first level.
A bug report have been filled. @tall radish

EDIT : Last working version was 20240120, like with Rabbit.

[wise brook]

just checking before I write up a problem

480i over crt

and HD I suppose

it's not right is it?

on crt it displays as a bob deinterlaced 240p image

and on the HD side it displays wrong, like how the n64 core used to

the give away for me is how the shadow masks turn into vertical lines, which again the n64 core did in 480i mode until it was correctly implemented

[sharp dove]

ABOUT TIME

I'VE BEEN WAITING MONTHS FOR THIS

Let's fucking GOO

---

Very glad to know srg's doing so well these days

[hardy lodge]

He managed to escape from the occupied territory in case you didn't know.

[sharp dove]

Yeah, that's been a relief

Was pretty worried for him a long while

[hardy lodge]

Yeah, especially when there was no update for a couple of months.

[ripe valley]

With a partial revert on the VDP1 code from core version 20240122, I can use Rayman and Rabbit once more.
I need to test a little bit more and redo the Single RAM version later and/or see with srg320 if a PR is acceptable.

[ripe valley]

I've only tested the DualRAM version on Rayman, Rabbit and Cube Battler - Shou, so if someone wants to test the SingleRAM version.

On VDP1.sv, line 589
I reverted partially the code to
if (CMD_NSPR_LEFT_OVER || CMD_NSPR_TOP_OVER || CMD_COORD_RIGHT_OVER[0] || CMD_COORD_BOTTOM_OVER[0] || CMD_TEXT_SIZE_OVER) begin

srg320 removed the || CMD_TEXT_SIZE_OVER) condition on 2024-01-22 version of the core but it breaks at least Rayman and Rabbit.

[ripe valley]

I will just leave those cores until srg320 fix them or if we see some bugs appearing on other games with that simple fix.

[lean forum]

GREAT to know, I've just been looking at the counter, and it is still continuously counting up. Having written a number of RAM testers myself, They can definitely (actually) run for hours depending on the number and type of tests run.

[naive whale]

Cube Battler just confuses me lol

[ripe valley]

Me too. 😂

[mortal mist]

Great work 👌

[stiff patrol]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/MemTest_MiSTer

explains memtest

Run it and if the red number goes up its bad, the test will drop to a new frequency and try again if it gets below 130 your ram is effectively useless for the saturn

[lean forum]

Yep, the red count is still 0!

So Im guessing it isnt the first ram stick.

Interestingly, the problem persists regardless of using the single or dual RBFs

[stiff patrol]

did you use a default ini yet

or a different HDMi port on the TV and a different cable

[lean forum]

Not, yet, BUT I just now, got it to boot into the saturn core perfectly, twice, but then it went back to staticy

[stiff patrol]

do the ini test

[lean forum]

will do

[stiff patrol]

it will tell you if its something you have in your current ini

[lean forum]

Just tried the ini, and it still gives the snowy saturn core

[stiff patrol]

I think you need to now remove the IO board and the USB board and test with just the De10 and memory

although you may need the USb for a controller to navigate the menu

[burnt matrix]

It’s a jigsaw puzzle game?

[lean forum]

LOL true that

[stiff patrol]

and try another cable or port on the TV

wierd stuff has gone away when the HDMI cable was replaced

[lean forum]

Already tried 2 cables, AND 2 different monitors, a TV, and a computer monitor

Im going to upload a vid to show what Im seeing, because it is actually strange

[stiff patrol]

and you are direct no switches, capture device etc

[lean forum]

Yes sir

capture

What you'll see is that it isn't HDMI corruption

Because the Linux interface looks pristine, other cores look pristine, and even the saturn core, the Saturn splash screen has snow, but the overlain symbology in the bios screen is pristine also

[naive whale]

well thats not something you see every day

[lean forum]

RIGHT??????????????

[naive whale]

did you try a diff monitor? Just to rule out the simple stuff

[lean forum]

Yes, a TV, and a computer monitor

[naive whale]

every game? Just this game?

[lean forum]

I have NOT however tried an HDMI to VGA

no, all games

[naive whale]

sorry if I am coming in late and you already answered

[stiff patrol]

dont try HDMI to VGa

that just complicates the issue

[lean forum]

wasn't really going to

LOL

[naive whale]

try a diff bios

use Hitachi Hi-Saturn

[stiff patrol]

I would delete all the cores for Saturn

[lean forum]

I actually have tried numerous BIOS files

[stiff patrol]

downlaod the latests only and try that

[naive whale]

hmm then yeah delete core and add newest...test again

[lean forum]

that (sadly) was the first thing I thought it could be

[stiff patrol]

#unstable-nightlies message

[lean forum]

Yep, thats where I got the 2023-01-26 one

Ill try the newest

[burnt matrix]

Tried a different TV? Different hdmi cable?

[lean forum]

Yeah, the TV was using one hdmi cable, the computer monitor was already using a different HDMI cable

but again, it can't possibly be an HDMI issue

all other cores are perfect, and the perfect BIOS symbology

atop corrupt backround

[burnt matrix]

So across two different displays and two different cables the video corruption has been consistent?

[lean forum]

Yes sir

[burnt matrix]

wild

[lean forum]

RIGHT?????????????????

this one has sent me loopy LOL

[burnt matrix]

Yeah definitely

[naive whale]

id delete core, try agian

[lean forum]

Id LOVE to play this core more

[naive whale]

happens again...id do a new MiSTer install on a second microSD and test that

running out of options lol

[burnt matrix]

Is it a recent thing? Has it been fine with older core builds?

[lean forum]

No, every core build give me this

sadly

[naive whale]

ok I am going to say its a bad ram stick

[lean forum]

It has been the perfect symbology overlay on the bad background video that has made me belive it is the core though, and not HDMI

[naive whale]

almost looks like ram corruption you'd see on hardware when there were read/write/addressing errors

and why just saturn? well I have no clue lol

[lean forum]

RAM tested overnight, and tested good

[naive whale]

you on dual or single ram build?

[lean forum]

dual ram build, but same corruption regardless of rbf

[naive whale]

swap modules

see if that changes

[lean forum]

what Im afraid of, is that the core is using an FPGA LUT that just so happens to be bad on MY chip

[naive whale]

just change the sticks off the GPIO to switch sides of the DE10 and retest

[lean forum]

because that could very well be the problem

[thorn pagoda]

try a lower output resolution ? kinda looks like one of those scaler meta-instability things

[stiff patrol]

he used a default ini

[lean forum]

what about the perfect symbology overlaying?

@thorn pagoda

[thorn pagoda]

does the osd go through the scaler? i can't remember

[versed violet]

I would secure the Saturn connector to the PCB. eg. using some Zip Tie : you can drill a hole on each side of the PCB round the connector and put a zip tie. If the PCB is not wide enough, a simple indentation will be enough to avoid the Zip to move and escape.

[lean forum]

@thorn pagoda - sorry, the Saturn BIOS symbology Overlay is perfect

[thorn pagoda]

480i/240p difference maybe ? does seem unlikely tho

[naive whale]

let me ask a dumb question....you DONT have your power cable intertwined with your HDMI cable yes?

id highly doubt only ONE core would see an effect but I have seen interference across HDMI randomly when someone on set will keep them touching

rare but it does happen

[lean forum]

Gosh no LOL

[naive whale]

grasping at straws but hey...were at that point it seems

[naive whale]

haha well gotta ask the simple stuff

[lean forum]

great question though. HDMI parameters however also make that more than likely not to be a problem

[naive whale]

ok here's what I think / would suggest: 1st...do a fresh MicroSD install with a fresh core and bios. Your card would have to be full AF to continually write to the same addresses when you delete and re-add the core now...but cant 100% rule out some weird write error on the card. But hey...Ive seen it once on my shit

[naive whale]

yeah you really need a stingers worth of juice to mess with it

2nd: swap your ram sticks around and retest

if either of those show no difference then yeah I think its pointing to a fault on the DE10 itself. But that JUST manifesting in ONE core would be highly unique

[lean forum]

Yeah, the twist rate, the shielding, the fact that HDMI is digital and compress makes that extremely difficult, especially when pairing with the fact that video in every other case is pristine

Switching RAM sticks, at least for the 1st 2 power cycles seems to give good video for the single ram stick build

[naive whale]

ooh progress!

[lean forum]

Odd though, given the RAM test revealed no problems

[naive whale]

I am glad my instincts were getting somewhere

[lean forum]

LOL

[naive whale]

ok so my next suggestion is to take the stick that just worked FOR A BIT, leave that in, remove the second stick, flip the dip for single ram and retest

[lean forum]

I new if I got on here with another couple brilliant hardware people, Id get SOMEWHERE 🙂

[stiff patrol]

never flip the switch when a Digital IO board is fitted

[naive whale]

if you can get stability off the stick that tested good a FEW times, with the other stick removed and the DIP flipped I think we can say the cause

[naive whale]

er yeah...thats true

[stiff patrol]

the switch is not to tell it dual ram its to configure the DE10 to use the Digital board

[naive whale]

ok just remove the IO then

[stiff patrol]

removing the digital IO board will have 0 effect

[naive whale]

or can he just remove the second stick altogether and test? Ive never attempted that config because it isnt something anyone would do...minus trying to diagnose this one weird problem

[stiff patrol]

its not outputing

its just there to provide a User port

[thorn pagoda]

just running a single sd-ram build is enough no?

[stiff patrol]

yes single ram build will not use the 2nd stick at all

[thorn pagoda]

yeah

[naive whale]

probably? but that ram stick still inline could confuse things? honestly who would have ever tried this in the first place

[lean forum]

Yep, and thats what I did

[stiff patrol]

or remove the second stick as the digital IO board doesnt need 2 sticks fitted

[lean forum]

True, given the parameter I laid out!!!

[naive whale]

I am just thinking how many items can be removed from the chain so as to potentially isolate what part could be producing an issue...reductive reasoning lol

[thorn pagoda]

pretty much has to be that sdram that just got moved to slot2 right

[naive whale]

its a good lead...but then why would it go BACK to throwing garbage onto the screen?

[stiff patrol]

to test the ram you fit one stick, run memetest, then swap the ram with the other stick and run memtest again

[naive whale]

but yeah SOMETHING seems "fucky" with the ram

[thorn pagoda]

see if it behaves in the psx dualram core

[naive whale]

id also check the ram module solder joints. Make sure they are all solid. Could be as simple as a cold joint / cracked joint

[stiff patrol]

we would also need to see a screenshot of the ram test after say 15 mins

[naive whale]

and movement / mechanical tension could be causing issues

[lean forum]

Just tried the Saturn DS core, and it NOW seems to be outputting good video also

[naive whale]

ok maybe it was a seating problem? or a cracked joint. Something mechanical

[lean forum]

LOL

[stiff patrol]

then you likely had a bad insert of the ram

[thorn pagoda]

also... sometimes just reseating the sdrams fixes things

[naive whale]

hey we fixed it! lol

[lean forum]

@thorn pagoda - True

[naive whale]

MiSTer brain trust assemble

[thorn pagoda]

yay

go team

[lean forum]

LOL

Thanks everyone

[thorn pagoda]

happy gaming!

[lean forum]

Love this community

[naive whale]

it was seriously a "jiggle the handle" solution

[lean forum]

Duck tape fixit

🙂

[naive whale]

well I am glad it got sorted!

funny because when I started typing I was finishing talking about Saturn controllers FOR the core

[lean forum]

HA

thats AWESOME

[trim nimbus]

I don’t see a duke

[lean forum]

Your setup looks similar to pixel cherry ninja or video game esoterica

[naive whale]

lol I am Video Game Esoterica

I just wasnt allowed to use that name here because @pearl harbor yelled at me

[lean forum]

LOL, you and I have chatted on your youtube channel before then LOL

I was the guy who messaged you about your background being varied

[naive whale]

I am everywhere all at once lolol

[stiff patrol]

no twinstick

[lean forum]

Love your channel

[stiff patrol]

no 3d controller

you fail at saturn controllers

no steering wheel either

[trim nimbus]

Hori fighting commander might also be a relevant controller to test although it doesn’t have analog triggers

[lean forum]

@naive whale - I was looking at the GamerPro Advanced to hookup my old controllers, have you ever used it?

[stiff patrol]

call yourself a sega Controller review !

[trim nimbus]

You could argue that the duke is a direct descendant of the 3d controller, so it deserves its fair test!

I mean, they couldn’t even be bothered to come up with something to replace the filled in vmu slot so they just stuck the big Xbox logo there

[stiff patrol]

you want this

https://misteraddons.com/collections/reflex/products/reflex-adapt

[thorn pagoda]

i think it was meant to have a screen at some point but it got cut didn't it?

[trim nimbus]

Wouldn’t surprise me

[lean forum]

@stiff patrol - I was looking at the GP Adv because it already has Dreamcast controller compatibility. I am looking to use it on both the mister, and a raspi 5 for the emulators that will play dreamcast, PS2, etc...

More than likely Ill end up with both, but was pondering which to buy first

[thorn pagoda]

reflex is supposed to be adding dreamcast support at some point iirc

[lean forum]

Yeah, I thought I read that somewhere

[stiff patrol]

and its just a new dongle to buy at around 10 dollars when it does

[lean forum]

True that

I also like how it is already 2P, where the GP Adv is only 1

[thorn pagoda]

just checked - porkchops mentioned it a few times on his discord, not been successfully done yet

might want to head over there and read it for yourself, see what you think

[lean forum]

I think I already have LOL, thats where I think I heard about it 🙂

[tall agate]

Epoxy works too

[pearl harbor]

It's a kid's duty to yell at their parents.

[ripe valley]

https://www.segasaturnshiro.com/2024/01/26/hackers-discover-enable-hidden-english-translation-in-kingdom-grandprix/

[twin canyon]

are you f'ing kidding me? a translation hidden in the game

@burnt matrix you didn't happen to hide anything good in doom eternal by any chance?

[burnt matrix]

No

[twin canyon]

maybe next time. it's gonna get revealed soon.

[burnt matrix]

I did but I’m not revealing it

maybe it’ll get found, maybe it won’t

subscribe to my Patreon to find out

[twin canyon]

unless you hid it in the first level it's never going to be discovered

because that's where everyone QUIT

[burnt matrix]

lolol TRUE

I actually have data on game completion rate around when we launched and it was around 30%

Like 34%?

Which is incredible

[twin canyon]

the new game will play like a third person action rogue souls cod-like and will be named doom returnal

[thorn pagoda]

i actually got stuck in doom eternal 😮

like some rando mid-level encounter i just couldn't clear

[twin canyon]

i want to see way more physics destruction games

[burnt matrix]

I helped develop our destructible system and made it extremely performant

So I agree!

[thorn pagoda]

did you play that voxels game basketsnake?

i can never remember the name of it, it's 100% about destruction/demolition

[twin canyon]

i haven't tried it yet, i've seen it. the ALL VOXELS GAME

[thorn pagoda]

teardown:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zBvoZv7Ftw

[frail token]

Room Deternal

[burnt matrix]

Speaking of voxels, Amok for the Sega Saturn has a landscape voxel engine that’s pretty impressive.

Sega Saturn does voxels!

[frail token]

is Minecraft considered voxels

[burnt matrix]

Yes

[pearl harbor]

I'm a voxel.

[burnt matrix]

Also yes

[drifting crown]

Like a good game?

[twin canyon]

exactly

[ripe valley]

I've found another regression on Bug!

[serene thunder]

BUG!, the pinnacle of game design

Much 'Tude

[kindred peak]

[lost vine]

Sweet, Necronomicon seems to be finally working almost perfectly

[tough star]

all hail the new lord!!

[mortal mist]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/102

[wise brook]

I wonder if these sorts of issues is why his current work was only in unstable-builds, its all experimental and he'll only put out a test build when he's able to upgrade the whole of the core without regressions

which would be very cool way of doing it, and now I'm wondering if he'll change gears and attempt some audio bug fixes

[umbral radish]

I'm not sure if this is a regression, but discovered the artwork on the tables in Pinball Graffiti are not displaying, along with some polygon streching.

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/103

I've finally set up a Github account to report this, along with the no sound issue with Pro Pinball. As srg320 seems to be focussing on video display issues this seemed to be the perfect time to get set up on Github. While Pinball Graffiti isn't the greatest game, hoping that fixing the issue here will help other games elsewhere.

[ripe valley]

On core version 20240126 ? @umbral radish

I will do some tests later today and include the games you mention.

[umbral radish]

@ripe valley yes, the latest version - 20240126.

Since posting on Github I've gone back & tried the game on an older build (from 30th November 2023) and same issues there as well so this doesn't appear to be a new bug. As I know this isn't a popular game I'm not surprised that it hasn't been picked up on until now.

[wise brook]

remember folks if you run and use the remote script it's super easy to take screenshots and copy them back to your device

[umbral radish]

@wise brook Did exactly that so I could post the images on Github, really useful!

[wise brook]

king!

[ripe valley]

I've tested around 250 games rapidly (played 5/10 minutes) so far, but the Saturn catalog is much more vast.
The games were chosen as the 'top 150' and other 100 more games that are struggling or had issues on SW emulators these last years.

So some games could bypass through that testing/verification process.

[neon fern]

heya, I finally took the plunge to set up the Sega Saturn core and games run very well! I am looking at getting some OG controllers and just wondering if there are any issues currently with SNAC support? Does the analog controller work?

[pearl harbor]

So we have a new bug in Bug!? It's bug-ception!

[naive whale]

Its SaturnDay in 6 minutes

got another testing video knocked out

https://youtu.be/IDO9LX88T9s

[mighty zephyr]

You make a good point about interlaced games it would be great if that could be fixed in the saturn core in the future

[trim nimbus]

Gonna watch it later (I promise) but what is the problem with interlaced games?

[naive whale]

It’s such an odd way to do Tate

[trim nimbus]

Well, looking at the resolutions available, it makes sense (assuming the majority of home console owners aren’t going to turn their tv on their side). Looks like the arcade resolution is 352x224

Given the max vertical resolution non-interlaced on the Saturn appears to be 256, they needed to interlace it to get full resolution after rotation

[feral fractal]

The game does have a tate mode that's 240p. it's only interlaced in yoko.

[naive whale]

Sure but even back in the day I don’t think many people were turning their TVs

[feral fractal]

For sure, it's still a nice option to have for a more accurate arcade experience. It's a bit niche, but unarguably superior.

[serene thunder]

Used to TATE the console TV

Wait, this one is even better

[feral fractal]

Awesome! I knew a kid that had a console tv like that and would lay on his side for tate games. Smarter, not harder...

[trim nimbus]

Would be nice if the mister had a better deinterlacer for sure; one of the reasons I am on the fence for a tink 4K

[radiant karma]

I'd be happy with Bob deinterlacing as on the PSX core. Can't stand combing artifacts.

[trim nimbus]

I am not a fan either. I loaded up doa and noped out pretty quickly.

[tall radish]

how bout that anime teeth.

[radiant karma]

Fmvs are low quality and low res, but those artifacts are different than weave deinterlacing 480i, as soon as there is motion you will see combing, and that is much more distracting. The cheap alternative resource wise is using bob, you lose resolution and the image is jittery, but no more artifacts during motion. In games where 480i is used only in static menus weave is preferable though, so an option to toggle between both is the best we could get for now.

[short shore]

Haven't been here in a while, anyone know if SNAC has been included in any of the recent saturn builds? Really looking forward to using my 3D pad

[wise brook]

I've got the parts for my saturn snac adapters on route

[short shore]

I recall the last time we had SNAC in the build was when Blue1 added it manually to one specific version, but that was a very, very long time ago

[pearl harbor]

Not since October.

I still keep that build on my MiSTer just for the 3D controller support. Luckily, most of the games that benefit from the controller are basically unchanged from that build compared to the latest build.

[inner token]

maybe I'll post an updated build later if you guys want. still in the process of trying to clean it up

[inner escarp]

yes thanks!

[thorn pagoda]

that'd be great

[tiny flare]

keen for more general analogue trigger support so you have options for other 3d pads, although yeah how you would do it and what the UI would look like for it is a fun question - dinput style +/- on one axis or xinput style seperate axes?

somehow you'd have to reconcile that

[kindred sundial]

Asked this in the misteraddons discord but curious if anyone else is having an issue with the last few Saturn unstable builds where the l and r triggers are being recognized by the reflex adapt but not doing anything within the core? I tested Bulk Slash with a Japanese Saturn pad and all the controller inputs were recognized by the reflex adapt but in the core the l and r triggers are unresponsive.

[clear hazel]

Hoping the Saturn core get's save states option at some stage. Excellent work on this awesome core.

[hearty carbon]

I would abuse the hell out of save states in Dragon Force

[naive whale]

I left something fun over on #share-media but a new prototype is out for Silhouette Mirage on Saturn

[wooden dew]

Well... not sure what is going on. A new ram stick didn't fix my sound issues on SOTN. Single Ram with 3.0 128. The second ram slot has a 2.5 128, but the behaviour is the same in SR/DR cores. No voice acting, and the music seems much fainter in the right channel over the left. I haven't run into any behavior like this on any other cores. I also tried running hdmi directly into my tv vs through my AVR to see if it was some sort of speaker issue. I also double checked my source file, definitely the correct version. Am I missing something?

[pearl harbor]

I also have the issue with SotN with the music mostly only coming out of the left channel (sound effects come out of both channels though). I don't have any of the other issues.

[short shore]

Blue1 continuing to be THE GOAT, must be another day that ends in "y" 🐐

Looks like I got a hot date with my saturn and my 3D pad this weekend

[drifting frigate]

Hot DAYUM!

[burnt matrix]

@inner token

The SNAC 👑

[inner token]

let's not get too carried away 😉

[pearl harbor]

Too late! I've already lost my mind with excitement!

[drifting frigate]

SNAC viceroy? A SNAC advisory council with deep pockets and industry hardened SNAC lobbyists?

[thick oriole]

I see where someone had no issues with Guardian Heroes, but the latest unstable build has a lot of weird graphical glitches for me, including character sprites leaving behind mirror images (kind of like the Alucard effect in SotN except they don't disappear). Is this a core issue, or potentially a RAM issue? I've got an older single 128MB in there (probably 2.5). Other games I tested very briefly seemed better - Shining Force 3 (some polygon seam issues), Bulk Slash, Magic Knight Rayearth (hitching during opening FMV, not sure if there on real hardware), and Linkle Liver Story.

[wooden dew]

I get that same behaviour for sound as well. Are you also on ram newer than 2.5? What's your setup?

[stiff patrol]

The core is Beta and subject to change that may break existing games without warning

its the nature of the development

3.0/2.9 Ram is currently best for the core

2.5 ram has more issues

and 4 Chip Ram is a no go

[wooden dew]

Yep, I'm currently on 3.0. Have we seen inconsistent behaviours on different setups with similar hardware before?

[naive whale]

Big SNAC

[naive whale]

Andy “Big SNAC” insert last name here (which I know but won’t share)

[drifting frigate]

It's basically a guid anyway.

(I'm licensed with SAG under my real name, so it's on IMDb and whatnot, but that takes effort)

[naive whale]

Andy “Big SNAC” Timberwolf Johnson. There I spoiled it. Everyone knows now 🤣

[pearl harbor]

2.9 ram

[thick oriole]

I know the speed on my RAM is pretty good, even if it's 2.5 - it runs the jotego CPS2 cores fine and passes all those memory tests. What's the bigger advantage with the 2.9/3.0 RAM? More stability, if I remember right?

[tawny forge]

Wait, is the N64 core ram sensitive now?

It has never been

[ancient surge]

No one mentioned the Nintendo 64...?

[tawny forge]

Sorry I’m drunk. 😔

[cunning oak]

Just started really messing with the Saturn, do some games just not have sound?

Daytona USA for example.

[pearl harbor]

Some games don't. It also depends on your ram. On my end Afterburner II doesn't have sound, but Daytona (both versions of the game) does have full audio.

[cunning oak]

Hmm wild.

[pearl harbor]

And some games just have other audio bugs. Like Elevator Action Returns having maniacal laughter that shouldn't be there whenever an explosion occurs.

[cunning oak]

Sound is there, it's just SUPER quiet.

[pearl harbor]

That's also a problem with most games. Very quiet audio.

[cunning oak]

Yeah I'm getting that problem for sure.

[pearl harbor]

Just gotta crank up them speakers! And then proceed to get your ears blown out when you switch to a different core and forget to turn the volume down.

[cunning oak]

Right?

I said that on stream.

[river wing]

That has happened to me a LOT of times with this core.. 😄

[wooden dew]

Try resetting your settings. That fixed it for me.

There must have been an old flag still active that wasn't exposed through the UI.

[pearl harbor]

How did you do that exactly?

[wooden dew]

On the right-hand pane in the Saturn pop-up menu, there is an option to reset settings and save settings. Choose reset (of course you need to re-set up the core, but it's nothing dramatic).

[cunning oak]

I'll check that out tonight

[tough star]

hmmm SotN has a huge slow down in a certain area

will check later to see if it still happens

[tough star]

yeah it's the coliseum - up in the upper right corner

[tough star]

might be the ultimate translation though

[mortal mist]

there is time to make coffee , use the toilet

[tough star]

..... what the heck

😄

[naive whale]

yeah thats not right lol

[supple vine]

This reminds me back in the 90s clicking on the start menu in Windows 95. I could drink half a cup of coffee before it appeared, shredding the HD in the meantime 🙂

[pearl harbor]

Alucard is just savoring the moment!

[kindred peak]

"What do we want?!"
"Revenge on my father!"
"When do we want it?!"
"Eventually!"

[tough star]

Other than that it seems to work perfectly

[naive whale]

@pearl harbor this chocolate company named itself the same as how I lay your mom down on those cold Wisconsin nights 🤣

[hardy lodge]

Is this a saturn version thing or just a bug in the translation?

[tough star]

That was my question too

It only happens when a certain asset is loading onto memory

As it runs fine until that corner is loaded into memory that is

[hardy lodge]

Even if it is in the original, it would be great if it's fixed in a revision of the patch

[tough star]

Yup

I just killed that one succubus or whatever she’s called (the one who tells him to kill all humans) and a soft lock

Heh

taking the save and making it loadable on the other image brb

[mortal mist]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/38

[pearl harbor]

I mean, it's a good thing that my parents have a healthy relationship.

[tough star]

I will check if this is a core thing now

fight is easy enough

@mortal mist post is updated with information https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/38

[mortal mist]

Thanks for checking !

[tough star]

the slow down is a core issue

happened again with Cerberus in the underground catacombs

I think the flame effects in the background are to blame here

not going to report this as a bug as the core is still WIP

going back to the same area after the kill doesn't trigger the slowdown

@mortal mist that's why I'm here 🙂 you know I test SotN on every platform on the MiSTer 🙂

those will o wisps are extremely out of ballance for grinding - low HP and high exp yields.

they appear in the exclusive area early on in the game

[wooden dew]

All the more reason we should add a Game.com core

[tranquil mulch]

Today I am streaming SEGA Saturn games my MiSTer FPGA.I look forward to having some Retro Game Wizards join me to help. Right now I am trying for 50 followers, so if you like what you see please follow for more fun.
https://www.twitch.tv/rgw_panda

[open swan]

in the future please share content creator stuff like this in #share-media from now on.

[tough star]

the japanese version

[naive whale]

Can pandas really be corralled? At least throw some bamboo over in #share-media lol

[open swan]

for the record, i love pandas

[short shore]

Can we get this version pinned?

its almost the weekend, gearing up to play some NiGHTs with my 3d pad

[tranquil mulch]

I know you support us in our retro game wizarding. I will support the MiSTer community by following the rules. 🐼

[naive whale]

maul @open swan

[tranquil mulch]

It's not like I am a Pokemon

[naive whale]

I am Yamper

[tranquil mulch]

I am cute like one though

[tranquil mulch]

That's adorable

[naive whale]

Evidence

[silk mauve]

This joke is well done. 🥩

[naive whale]

I was proud of it lol

[silk mauve]

I hope you marinated in it

[serene thunder]

For three hours, his joke ruled the channel

[naive whale]

It has been quiet in here

[tough star]

Yes it has

[pearl harbor]

Finally got around to testing this out, and yep, worked like a charm. So weird!

[wooden dew]

Glad to hear

[gloomy hedge]

im fuckin popplio

thats where the game gear fucked up

with all its grown up shin megami tensei and all that shit

just needed a pokemon game

maybe when saturn gets a good pokemon game, the core will be completed

[delicate mantle]

Rebuilt a new SD card for the cocktail build

Update bricked the last build

[tough star]

Should have replaced the MISTer file and it would have worked

[delicate mantle]

It needed a fresh install anyway. And I had run out of space on that card

[thick oriole]

Weird, I think my problem with Guardian Heroes was with the ISO I was using. I could have sworn I was using Redump, but it was giving issues even booting properly with the US BIOS, even with the region set correctly. The problems I saw were after using a patched worldwide BIOS. But ripping my old CD-R copy to a BIN/CUE with ImgBurn is working perfectly. Wonder if something was goofy with that upload? I also tried a CHD version that did the same thing, so... I dunno.

[river wing]

Why does WipeOut XL look like that there? 😮

[tough star]

I don't know but that looks cool

[burnt matrix]

Saturn exclusive cheat code:

Activate the Wireframe Mode - In the game Hold L + R + DOWN and press Z Z

[sterile roost]

https://tenor.com/view/perfection-perfect-michael-fassbender-magneto-x-men-first-class-gif-2260686001358167676

[naive whale]

up, down, left, right, B A Wireframe

[river wing]

Thanks guys, that's some impressive trick! 😮

[tough star]

msx screen 5 😄

[devout turret]

Guys, are the 3d pad analog triggers currently supported by core? Cannot get them to work with dualshock 4. Analog stick works

[burnt matrix]

No. Only way to use analog triggers is with SNAC.

[devout turret]

Thanks!

[burnt matrix]

It’s been requested. Hopefully it happens soon!

[pearl harbor]

Sounds like srg320 is looking to tackle the Shining Force III crashes! He's been asking how to replicate it on Github.

[burnt matrix]

Step 1: be a nerd
Step 2: playing shining force
Step 3: ???
Step 4: profit