Sega Saturn

[hardy lodge]

It's between the japanese and american intro to me. The v saturn and hi saturn looks weird. I don't even know what a hi saturn is. 😄

[mortal mist]

Similar problem had people who did not have games in separate folders. I don't know if it is the same situation for you.

you have correctly configured Mister for dualsdram ? sometimes the switch is not in the right position

https://misterfpga.co.uk/dual-sdram-mister-fpga/

[quick sorrel]

I’m partial to the JP one cuz it’s what I first played. I think most consoles are like that for me.

[tall radish]

JP bios sounds so good compared to the others.

[wise brook]

big thx energy

[ripe valley]

For Policenauts (I've not tested with other multi disc games), when prompted by the game to change to another disc :

• Open up the OSD;
• Load the corresponding CUE/CHD file needed by the game;
• Open the OSD once again;
• Select the 'reset' option.

The BIOS will load up once more with the blue SEGA logo after that and the game will continue directly.

If you have a save file from Panzer Dragoon Saga, Deep Fear or other one you want to test, it could be interesting to upload them on the Github and see if we could make them work too. Or if the multidisc function needs to be improved at a later time on the core.
Thanks.

[ripe valley]

I remember on the PS1 from the DuckStation beta testing phase (2-3 years ago) that some games could detect the disc change differently and needed some adjustments or even a special value to be catched and understood on emulator side (like with Metal Gear Solid).
Maybe it could also be that case on the Saturn too. Just a hypothesis.

[versed solar]

Yes, that was it, I had to flip the one switch and now it works, thanks

[mortal mist]

great 🙂

[waxen vortex]

I prefer the Hi-Saturn boot screen as it sounds EPIC.

[wise brook]

I'd love to see a hacked one that puts in the place of the Hi on Hi-Saturn

[waxen vortex]

haha I love to do that but I have zero knowledge on where to start.

[edgy hatch]

Very good choice! I had a blast with Mega Bomberman back on the day, later I discovered that there was an EVEN BETTER version of the same game (Bomberman '94)

[tough star]

2 entries

the single ram script was fixed

the dual ram script was fixed too (see filenames on the lower right corner of the file)

[mortal mist]

New core is coming!

[tough star]

nice 🙂

[thorny lion]

srg320 is on a roll lately!! Awesome to see

[ripe valley]

Nice.

[thorny lion]

Bomberman 94 is sooo much better than mega Bomberman. When I found out they're the "same" game, I was shocked

[ancient fractal]

Very cool

[wooden dew]

At this rate he's gonna fix 2.5 ram before my new module makes it to Canada 😆

Somehow my delivery is bouncing in and around Los Angeles like it's on vacation

[tough star]

nice 🙂 don't you love LA post?

Mine went from LA to Anaheim to Baker and back to Anaheim

why? no one knows

[wooden dew]

Yeah I'm learning about all these fun little incorporations like "Bell" and "Industry" California

[ripe valley]

RTC should be implemented now.

[tough star]

@wooden dew sounds like a New-Egg order lol

[pastel basalt]

Love ‘94

[tough star]

@wooden dew you saw my updates to the script?

[wooden dew]

Well it's not, it's from MisterAddons

[wooden dew]

I did, thanks! I'm gonna test it out next chance I get

[tough star]

no need to test - it works

I tested it

[ancient surge]

Oh does this mean we can finally change the time and date?

[tough star]

well it should be set automatically now

[mortal mist]

i hope so 😄

[tough star]

based on either the internet sync or RTC board (battery) in your mister

[ancient surge]

Is there a list of games that change based on the date? I can name at least three: Puyo Puyo Sun, Twinkle Star Sprites, and the Christmas NiGHTS demo.

Oh and the Tomogatchi game I think.

[mortal mist]

Manx TT fixed 🙂

Grandia battle mode , fixed !

RTC works fine now

[inner kayak]

are the VDP fixes realted to the "upside down" shadows/reflections we were discussing yesterday?

[mortal mist]

I just checked Grandia, there was another problem there

[sick hare]

Maybe shienryu is fixed

[ancient surge]

Obligatory Super Tempo check.

Still not booting.

Asuka 120% Limited Burning Fest still unchanged.

[ancient surge]

Twinkle Star Sprites is unchanged.

SEGA AGES - After Burner fucking broke again LMAO 🫠

[frank crater]

Another core??

[pearl harbor]

New Saturn and N64 builds in the same day!?

[shadow merlin]

after burner working here on dual ram using the US sega ages collection (unless it's a problem with sound, as I can't use my speakers atm)

[ancient surge]

Wait, I managed to get it After Burner to work after a reboot. So a false alarm?

[ancient fractal]

There are additions to the rotated readout of VDP1 framebuffer, which I’ve suspected was missing to make Shienryū display correctly in yoko mode

[naive whale]

so whats the good word?

[ancient fractal]

It shouldn’t be played in yoko, but it’s one of the most common bug people mention

[naive whale]

worth running a vid today?

[frank crater]

Within minutes too. The mister core arms race lol

[pearl harbor]

Looks like Grandia's battle system is finally fixed based on what I saw in the comments. Haven't tested it myself yet though.

[hearty marten]

If only to hype the fact that we have both N64 and Saturn cores on the same day 🥳

[ancient surge]

Pandemonium still runs slow.

[naive whale]

what was wrong in Grandia again? I cant remember now

[mortal mist]

check github

[ancient surge]

Broken graphics during battles.

[pastel basalt]

I’ve been checking for fixes to the sprites in battle garegga, anyone noticed that?

With the medals

[naive whale]

anyone try to see if X Men vs SF gets past freeze yet?

[mortal mist]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/48

there are photos , before and after

[naive whale]

awesome

[pearl harbor]

@naive whale Starting some of my own testing now. I'll let you know if I discover anything else new.

[naive whale]

lmk if X Men vs SF plays

I will capture some grandia. Try and go at 4

[mortal mist]

@ripe valley Primal Rage still random

[pearl harbor]

Still crashes.

[naive whale]

bingo. Grandia it is

capturing now. Have lots of Saturn footage to add to it

[ancient surge]

Date and time still doesn't save. Maybe it requires a main update?

[naive whale]

I have Sonic Jam footage...ill show the date and time thing, Grandia and a few other tests I have

[pearl harbor]

Dang, Shining Force III still crashes with healing spells.

[naive whale]

stupid ass cutscene in grandia takes FOREVER

half the time I CANT work fast like I would want to because I am waiting on some f'ing cutscene

[pearl harbor]

It's not just the cutscene, you have to play for quite awhile to even get to battles in the game.

[ancient surge]

Croc intro is still pretty fickle.

[naive whale]

ok maybe just gonna show GitHub photo for improvements lol...I forgot how LONG this takes

[pearl harbor]

Maybe someone could send you their save file?

[naive whale]

Eh I have enough cutscene and in game. I cant just cut to a photo. People will get it 🙂

[pearl harbor]

I have one, but it's not quite at the point where you can battle yet.

[mortal mist]

you have a save on github

[pearl harbor]

My old friend the maniacal laughter in Elevator Action Returns is still ever present.

[naive whale]

well that makes a difference lol

added...going back in

[pearl harbor]

Screen rotation in Power Drift is still broken.

[untold lintel]

Virtua gun soon I hope lol

[pearl harbor]

Nights into Dreams is still really finicky for me. Sometimes it boots, sometimes it doesn't.

[naive whale]

to editing

[analog totem]

yay, updated readme

[mortal mist]

that's the most important thing after all 🙂

good readme

[full shore]

Still crashes sadly

[sterile stump]

Seeing as Grandia has had fixes, anyone tried the English patched version?

[mortal mist]

crash here for me

[ripe valley]

Same.

[naive whale]

rendering. See you all at 4 CST

[mortal mist]

@ripe valley Virtua Cop works ok

[ripe valley]

I know.

I've closed the issue like 5 mins ago.

😁

[mortal mist]

ok 😄

sorry!

[ripe valley]

I'm trying to be productive, even if I'm sick as hell.

Can't connect at the moment but thanks for the confirmation.

[mortal mist]

me glad , that Manx TT works again , I like this game very much 🙂

[ripe valley]

I've retested all the current opened issues.
Could recreate most of them, except those SNK games.

[mortal mist]

get well soon !

[ripe valley]

I've just seen an issue on Hang On GP too, a band of display on the right is missing.

You only have the background layer.

[hardy lodge]

2 new builds? What is this, the n64 core or what?

[trim nimbus]

were they possibly not using the game specific ram carts?

[ancient surge]

I was about to say. It's a known issue the SNK games tend to glitch with the 4MB RAM.

[ripe valley]

When I read the issues, they have followed the instructions on the RAM carts.
That's why I'm scratching my head of those ones.

[trim nimbus]

yeah, not sure, I know that there are the original snk games that need game specific carts, then patched versions that can just use the regular ram carts

but not garou, hmm

[tight mica]

Afternoon folks, I have a dual SDRAM setup, which is the latest DUAL RAMcore? I've been seeing some videos on youtube and looks like Saturn is coming along well. The update all script doesn't seem to have an updated core

[thorn pagoda]

#unstable-nightlies message

[tight mica]

Thank you!

[drifting frigate]

If you need the cart roms, they are fairly easy to find in BizHawk packs on archive. Last I checked they worked fine. But it's been a while.

[naive whale]

Sat vid is live

Happy Saturnday!

[trim nimbus]

nah, I was just commenting that it might have been a user error

[woven veldt]

Latest Mister main, latest saturn single sdram core, launch Radiant Silver gun, sound is off like muffled, anybody else experiencing this?

sound was fine on previous release....

I'm talking about the BGMs

Well I know it's a Work In Progress...Let see how it goes on next releases....

[tight mica]

Which video? Are you allowed to link?

[naive whale]

no apparently not. Its in #share-media

[tight mica]

thank you, I'll check out your video

LOL I'm already subbed to Video Game Esoterica. That dude is legit. When he brought up Koudelka I knew he was a real one.

[kindred peak]

That dude IS legit. 😄

👋 we love you, @naive whale

[tight mica]

Yeah snart, he's got a lot of arcade PCBs too. He's been on top of the Saturn news lately.

[naive whale]

I heard VGE is a bum

big package tho

[kindred peak]

But like a loveable one.

oh, HUGE

[tight mica]

Not sure what you two are getting at, but I doubt a bum would have all that hardware laying around. They're in decent condition too

PIxel Cherry Ninja is another bloke who does videos

[naive whale]

haha I am VGE...if that wasnt clear

[kindred peak]

HUGE package

[tight mica]

Ok, I was wondering what was going on...first you link to a video then call VGE a bum, it was confusing for me. Anyhow, thanks for all the videos.

[naive whale]

Haha I forget not everyone’s I’m VGE. Diff username just here

[tiny flare]

no, I'm Spartacus VGE

[gloomy hedge]

Video Game Esoterica is shady

that one time I saw him emulate a game instead of using real hardware

I'm sticking with IGN

so whats up with the new core

lol regression for me

sega rally now doesnt even load the first stage

it used to go white screen prior to second stage and hang

oh nope after a cold reboot

back to old behavior, first stage runs, second stage white screen, sound gone of course

so far for my games no changes in the new core 🙂 carry on

[naive whale]

Lol I get shit equally for being a “real hardware elitist”, an “FPGA shill” and “an emulator user”…shit why can’t I be all of the above!

[serene thunder]

Sometimes you gotta MAME

[naive whale]

My fav ever comment though was some random one on a MiSTer video. Went something like “it’s losers like you that ruin this hobby for everyone. They should be using real hardware. Not like you’d have any”

[serene thunder]

I know someone's hardcore if I go over to their house and they have a Naomi 2 setup bolted to a big piece of wood

[white yoke]

I agree Awbacon

[tiny flare]

"why aren't you using Analogue 'No Emulation' consoles bro?"

[gloomy hedge]

be a dick to EVERYONE

[naive whale]

I’ve got so much real hardware in this damned house I need a bigger house 🤣

[serene thunder]

If you know how to repair arcade PCBs, doesn't seem like a terrible investment
They aren't getting any easier to find, especially in working order

[gloomy hedge]

YOU DONT HAVE A PCB? YOU SUCK

YOU DONT LIKE MAME? YOU SUCK

YOU DONT LIKE MISTER? YOU SUCK

[white yoke]

if only I had the money for ALL Analogue products

[gloomy hedge]

the pocket?

its not that great

but its good

[serene thunder]

If they do a Pocket that can run all MiSTer cores, I would bite

[naive whale]

Lol most common refrain though is “you only have that cause you are rich”….man I wish they’d tell me where all the money is then 🤣

[gloomy hedge]

I wouldnt cuz controls is still the issue

and comfort

[serene thunder]

Dock it, brah

[gloomy hedge]

but I already got a mister

so it be like

wuh

[serene thunder]

butisitportable

[gloomy hedge]

its not NOT portable

its small enough

honestly I have toyed with the idea of a very easily portable mister

[serene thunder]

Yeah Retro Man Cave had a couple protos working

Not small

[gloomy hedge]

aside from that I have thoroughly enjoyed my miyoo mini + and my anbernic RG ARC-S

also a mister without save states is oof on the go

I want full save states

thats what makes on the go retro gaming so achievable

[serene thunder]

I just sold all my Nintendo handhelds
Just never used them

[gloomy hedge]

I only kept my 3ds XL

sentimental value

plus its hacked

the miyoo mini is the best gameboy ever

so no need to keep any of those

[serene thunder]

Yeah they were really cool pieces of tech
esp the n3DS

[gloomy hedge]

never tried the "new" one actually

[serene thunder]

Peak Nintendo madness

[gloomy hedge]

the screen on this bitch is magicla

[serene thunder]

And what are the limits with emulators

I still want a little gaming portable

[gloomy hedge]

the limits are not with the emus as much as they are with the dpad

[serene thunder]

But I'd really like that to include Saturn, PSX, DC

[gloomy hedge]

this one has an excellent dpad but

[gloomy hedge]

oh ew no

I wouldnt want to do those on the go

those are games I sit down and play on a TV

dont want those on a tiny screen

[serene thunder]

Ifn you say so
I guess I would be OK with SEGA CD and SNES being the limits

[gloomy hedge]

this one is the more recent pickup

[gloomy hedge]

yeah I mean at some point you have to consider the games, the screen, the controls

so Both these devices do PSX very well

not perfect, but well enough to say, clear silent bomber which I did

or credit feed sokyu gurentai which I did

saturn ... ehhh no

[serene thunder]

OK, so forget DC
If they could do Saturn and PSX nice

We're close at least

[gloomy hedge]

saturn is too difficult to be accurate

yeah we're close

the key for me because I REALLY like to game. is that circle dpad

I like to play shmups a lot and need accuracy and comfort in the dpad

passed this test at least

but wasnt perfect

[serene thunder]

What's the brand/model

[gloomy hedge]

Anbernic RG ARC-S

sharp emu pretty solid as well

its funny these all use very old emulators lol

but they are updated and run just fine

[serene thunder]

This one?

[gloomy hedge]

yep

it had some funk when setting it up, but once I got it setup like how I liek it, its been good

[serene thunder]

X68K would be fun

[gloomy hedge]

the miyoo is a MUCH better user experience

the miyoo's screen is better

but its smaller, less comfortable

I have yet to clear cho ren sha on either unfortunately but thats probably just lack of trying, its harder on the miyoo than it is on the anbernic

Iguess what im saying is

if the analogue pocket had

1.) save state support
2.) a circle dpad, and 6 face buttons

I would pay any amount of money for it

oh yeah and decent triggers I guess

zero ranger white vanilla mode clear (minus tlb) this is also cool about these is they have "portmaster" which you can sometimes get working

and a size comparison and now I'll stop posting lol

[serene thunder]

Rough way to play tate shooters

[gloomy hedge]

yeah not a chance honestly

you can do it but its way too small for certain games

I did zero ranger tho

so its... doable?

[tiny flare]

Zero Ranger is

[gloomy hedge]

HOWEVER

zero ranger has slowdown

so its like uhhh

[serene thunder]

Not sure how'd you solve that with a portable
the tate issue

[gloomy hedge]

almost a sharp x68k version of ZR which is kinda g reat

[serene thunder]

I guess the Lynx tried

[gloomy hedge]

its solvable, the powkiddy tried

wonderswan tried too

[tiny flare]

have you seen the flip grip for Switch?

[gloomy hedge]

also the evercade, hte new one

[gloomy hedge]

yeah unfortunately the device is useless

because it needs wireless joycons

and there ARENT ANY WITH GOOD DPADS AND GOOD RESPONSIVENESS

I tried literally FOUR brands

so my flipgrip sits in a closet

[tiny flare]

eh, I found it fine to play through a few games, Switch is laggy no matter what you do lol

[gloomy hedge]

nah its not that bad with a good controller

ive cleared many games on switch, For Tate: I just rest it or use a tablet mount and a saturn pad

its only laggy if you use the wrong controllers because their whole shit is all busted

[tiny flare]

they have higher latency wired than non-wired

[gloomy hedge]

lol depends but yes sometimes

my brook UFB is fine wired though

its only like a half a frame or something worse than a joycon

but on the go I use a 8bitdo modded saturn pad which is wireless

https://youtu.be/kR_Ss4oFN-A played this in bed with a tablet mount holding the switch tate

by no means is it perfect

but switch is totally viable

I think PEG Right now has higher scores on switch in DOJ than the PS4 leaderboard LOL (im sure this will change)

ultimately IF you had a nice wireless joycon with a circle dpad saturn style, the flipgrip would be the chefs fucking kiss and a half

[pearl harbor]

Can confirm!

[naive whale]

Your mom can confirm the other detail I listed

[pearl harbor]

Oh she told me all about it. Her account is very different from yours though! 🤏

[naive whale]

She had to put on her fisheye glasses just to see it all at once 🤣

[pearl harbor]

🔍

[gloomy hedge]

lmao

[trim nimbus]

Aren’t fish small? A lens for a fish must then also be small 😉

[naive whale]

It bends light to make large objects fully visible…lol

[left hollow]

Fisheye lens is what all the cool skateboarder bros used in the late 90s

https://youtu.be/eaa-sxQR_b0?si=zBsJGTwRqhIHG6q3

[rigid obsidian]

Ahh I gotta see if Baroque is fixed with the new build. It started freezing on me as a regression in the last couple builds.

[naive whale]

With a VX1000

I had both. I miss the VX. Shouldn’t have sold. They are worth a fortune now

[pulsar wasp]

Has compatibility with older RAM modules improved at all with the last couple of builds?

[strong zephyr]

See Aktane’s post on Sega rally. But ofc depending on what memory you got and which game ymmv.

[tiny flare]

Possibly premature, but yeah may be worth upgrading to a new 2.9/3.0 module for this core at some point

[tight mica]

Is there a simple way to find out which ram you have?

[winter phoenix]

Clockwork Knight 2’s title screen. Atelier Marie uses the internal clock. Castlevania tells you the time (in Japanese) on the title screen if you wait long enough.

[mortal mist]

without unscrewing the casing you can't check it

unless you don't have a case, you can see the number on the pcb

[rigid obsidian]

Seems like the new core did resolve baroque freezing for me. Nice.

[wise brook]

can someone else here confirm if vf2 or similar is displaying as 240p when it should be 480i

[hearty marten]

Any takers on srg320 “doing a Robert” and releasing a new build today? 😂

[edgy hatch]

And just in case, are you aware of Bomberman '08? A third and worse version than those two due to the lag and low framerate (and no battle mode), but surprisingly it has repainted and actually slightly improved graphics

[gloomy hedge]

Slowly but surely yeah its improved.. It's very game dependent. Like now Daytona USA runs for me, die hard arcade runs with sound (quiet sound), Astra super Stars runs, but the sound issues with Sega Rally, manxtt, the glitches, the crashes with techno soft shmups and soukyugurentai, the issues with blast wind audio, and crashes hage not changed.

It's basically like the older ram you have the worst time you'll have right now, but slowly everything is getting better...

[gloomy hedge]

It depends on how much he wants to make @naive whale dance with his video responses 😂

🎭

[naive whale]

I’m off today. No video

Wife’s day off no videos

[gloomy hedge]

What if srg throws out the king of all Saturn cores

[naive whale]

What if I get thrown out

🤣

[gloomy hedge]

Will u get to keep any hardware

😂

[naive whale]

I’d say about 50%

[hearty marten]

At least you’ll have a Saturn core to keep you warm from all the feels inside

[gloomy hedge]

Too many losses

Can't give the order

Execute order stay with wife

[naive whale]

No the reality is I tracked all the metrics and today vs tomorrow don’t mean anything

Honestly I could show a today core tomorrow and do better. Friday afternoons aren’t good times

[gloomy hedge]

Wow so the reality is you still love the schedule more than your wife

Based

My wife day is Saturday btw

Everyone should have one

If you don't have a wife, assign a gaming system wife status

[hearty marten]

My partner is hundreds of miles away. Every day is Saturnday

[gloomy hedge]

Preferably one that doesn't get played 6 days...out of 7...

[naive whale]

I’ve had my wife longer than my collection. Married ten years, together almost 17

[gloomy hedge]

Oh this year is my 10

We're close!

[naive whale]

Nice. Didn’t know human and real doll marriages were counted

[gloomy hedge]

That's just cuz she was cheaper right?

Otherwise the collection would have definitely started sooner?

🥹

[gloomy hedge]

Shad

[naive whale]

I had a collection but sold it at like 22. Then I started again

Funding fell out for my last ski doc so I sold all my shit to gap finance it. Thankfully I made the money back plus so I started over

[hearty marten]

Is this when you were backflipping over helicopters and whatnot? Sure you said something like that in one of your N64 vids, or maybe I imagined it

[hearty marten]

It’s not so bad. More time for gaming during the week 😂

[naive whale]

Lol well not exactly but yes

I’d never send anyone over a running helicopter. But we have jumped over stationary ones with the rotors stopped

[hearty marten]

Ha, that’s awesome!

[naive whale]

My specialty was aerial cinematography. Jumping with my cameras or shooting from helicopters

Now they use drones. Damn kids

[hearty marten]

Man shakes fist at clouds

That’s pretty cool though!

[naive whale]

It was fun. Did that for six years. Was a coach at x games and Olympics. Then the recession happened. Suddenly we were ALL out of work lol

[hearty marten]

In some ways we’re still feeling the effects of that recession (over here at least, in our politics). Sucks 😔

[naive whale]

Haha same. My career has never been as fun

YT is the most successful thing I’ve ever done if you count raw viewership. Sadly it also does NOT make much money lol

[gloomy hedge]

Seriously?

I just work in insurance

🥴

[naive whale]

Haha seriously. Well was. Now I’m just a general purpose filmmaker. Commercials and shit. Boring

[gloomy hedge]

you're so lame, I work in the more exciting world of commercial insurance

shoot me now

which is what shmups do for me

they shoot me

.. now.

[naive whale]

Can you get me a deal on my game insurance? Lol I gotta call our agent and up the coverage again Monday. Renewal notice doesn’t have enough since prices keep going up and up

[pastel basalt]

You have a policy on your game collection? Probably a good idea for a neo geo fan haha

[pastel basalt]

Hey have you seen any update that fixes the medal sprites in battle garegga?

Going to finally test today

[bleak escarp]

Absolutely get insurance, I say as I talked to them just yesterday as my upstairs neighbor has flooded for the third time this month and I just want to prepare

[gloomy hedge]

nah listen buddy I'll be extremely honest with you

garegga is on mister

and the saturn version, while good, and ... wait ... does it have pink bullets?... still I'm not so curious about the port

[naive whale]

@gloomy hedge second industry here for you. Sell discord members collection insurance

[pastel basalt]

It has some bullet options yeah

[gloomy hedge]

thats good actually lol

I take back my comment

[pastel basalt]

But still lots of hard to see ones lol

[gloomy hedge]

although still, its like

I dunno, I focus on the games I cant play elsewhere... im really excited to sit down and try bulk slash with the twin sticks soon!

that game was FUN when I tested it, and seemed to work great with sound and everythign!

[pastel basalt]

That game rules

[gloomy hedge]

I just worry like

if im really enjoying it, what if it crashes

[pastel basalt]

Yeah I feel ya

[gloomy hedge]

my usual strat is wait until the core is finished and a month after too

im a lazy bitch

I could also test the graphic layer glitches in darius gaiden too I suppose

[pastel basalt]

Lol i gotcha though it would suck to get a crash after completing half that game

[gloomy hedge]

ye ye

arcade games are fun to test

cuz even if it goes well its like what 30 minutes

no time lost lol

virtual on STILL doesnt work on my rig

much upset

[pastel basalt]

All I’ve been testing on Saturn is arcade ports lmao

For that reason

[pastel basalt]

Ah damn it crashes?

[gloomy hedge]

yeah it crashes

it gets to the "here's wh you are fighting" and then just stops there

sometimes it doesnt even get there

stuff like hyper duel if I rush throiugh menus I can play the game

if I take my time at all, crash

lmao

like one of those demo discs with a timer, remember those?

[pastel basalt]

Oh yeah

[pearl harbor]

But dad, mom is off every day since she's retired!

[naive whale]

Lol don’t I deserve a day off once in awhile?

Most productive single man operation on YT I swear 🤣

[pearl harbor]

Nevah!

[naive whale]

Go pledge $100 a month over on patreon. Then I’ll wander back into my studio 😂

[orchid spire]

Virtual on doesn't crash for me

[tough star]

come on youtube boy - make them videos!

[naive whale]

I said what I said! I took PTO today

[tough star]

unsub!!

[pearl harbor]

And Robert just dropped a new N64 core build. No rest for Aw🥓 !

[gloomy hedge]

dojabacon

[naive whale]

Lol tomorrow. I just hit N64 and Saturn

[cunning oak]

EDIT : Nevermind, found the pinned videos

[hearty marten]

PCN did it better

[naive whale]

Dudes a bum. A bum I say!

[hearty marten]

(Just trollin’ cos I love both your channels and know you guys are friends)

[naive whale]

Haha I know. We chat all the time. But I’ve gotta keep up the illusion we are bitter enemies

[hearty marten]

Honestly I think you guys help to make the mister community feel like a community

[pearl harbor]

@old pasture You gonna take that!? Time for a Youtube FPGA brawl!

[hearty marten]

Oh, he’s on here? Nice 😂

[naive whale]

We beat him during the Revolutionary War and I’ll beat him back again!

[hearty marten]

Love how you guys beat us at one war and have to bring it up every year 😂

[naive whale]

Undefeated! The dynasty continues

[hearty marten]

How’d Vietnam go for you?

[naive whale]

@old pasture British ancestors talking to my ancestors on the battlefield “hey you think one day they’ll make some thing that plays games? And we can talk about it” 🤣

[hearty carbon]

British people talking shit when independence from the Brits is one of the most widely celebrated holidays on earth.

[hearty marten]

Hahaha, that’s a fair way of looking at it

[naive whale]

The world owes British a thank you. They have given so many countries paid holidays!

[pearl harbor]

Heck, my birthday is the day we celebrate it!

I say as I dox myself.

[naive whale]

July 4th, 1969

[pearl harbor]

How can I be older than you dad!?

[naive whale]

Time travel slept with your mom?

[pearl harbor]

Some time travel shenanigans.

[naive whale]

Time travel daddy

[tall radish]

Rly good saturn video Bacon, rdy for next one.

😂

[naive whale]

Next week sometime

[tall radish]

Wonder if Tempest 2000 runs better after latest update.

[naive whale]

But I’ve got so much shit to show and I am running out of open slots to put the stuff into

[tall radish]

Sounds like a good problem to have! I like that you cover so much in the FPGA side now.

[naive whale]

Yeah it’s fun to do the FPGA stuff. Offsets the series of videos I do on topics. They don’t do as well

[cunning oak]

Just 1CC Radiant Silvergun, can confirm it's pretty smooth all things considered

Sound is a bit quiet though

[tall radish]

Keep up the great work, I like how you throw in some focus on certain games. Saturn Bomberman and Daytona were great mentions cause then I am like "whoa, I play those a shit town, they work!?"

[naive whale]

Lol oh no big deal just casually 1cc’d one of the hardest shmups imaginable 🤣

[cunning oak]

@naive whale I'm a fan of Ikaruga so it's younger brother was on my target list as well. XD

I wouldn't say HARDEST either, it's up there though. Maybe top 10

CAVE shmups give me a harder time with the slow down

[naive whale]

My brain can’t handle Ikaruga

[cunning oak]

Depends on the difficulty setting honestly.

Easy - Ships don't have revenge bullets when they die.
Med - Ships shoot back THEIR color revenge bullets.
Hard - Ships shoot back OPPOSITE color revenge bullets.

Shoot 10 ships of the same color for max chain/points

You also absorb whatever color you are, opposite color kills ya

Oh @naive whale, thanks for the tutorial video on setup, helped out a ton.

[naive whale]

Glad it helped!

[paper tiger]

yeah once a game has color coded bullets it's instant confusion for me ;p

[naive whale]

Same. I can’t deal

[cunning oak]

Mortals, all of ya. XD

[random shard]

Hi guys

Where is sergei listing all the recent changes? Patreon only?

Github is a little confusing to me

[stiff patrol]

Github

[random shard]

Ah, under activity then click on compare

I always forget this

[old pasture]

Take that Bacon 🥓

[old pasture]

I'm here, but find it hard to keep up with chat.

[kindred peak]

Same. Same...

[naive whale]

Lol that swing misses by a mile in the gif 🤣

Like it’s so far off

[old pasture]

The gust was so strong it knocked back the bacon

[naive whale]

I haven’t seen that big of a swing and a miss since @pearl harbor tried to make fun of Chicago

[viscid escarp]

your videos are much appreciated both of you 🙂

[old pasture]

Thanks 👍

[gloomy hedge]

what about my channel

dick

(I'm joking dont ban me)

[kindred peak]

channels inner robby
Everyone's YouTube channel is the best channel! I appreciate you all!

[drifting frigate]

Awwww

[kindred peak]

I did really enjoy your TMNT video, @drifting frigate

[drifting frigate]

Mine only has a handful of subscribers. But Tom Arnold is one of them!

Thanks!!

[trim nimbus]

Nah, Robby would open with, “there aren’t any good YouTube channels”

[kindred peak]

Something, something, Quest 64, I made doom.

[trim nimbus]

And then about 3 minutes later, say, “they are all great”

[naive whale]

Don’t become a Robby

[gloomy hedge]

but does everyone's channel have this:
an 8 hour video of me playing every single shmup in a pico 8 jam

🥹

if the saturn core got a little better a little AHEM FASTER I would have some 1cc's up there but we still waitin... I wanna do blast wind so bad!

[serene thunder]

I love a good blast wind

[pastel basalt]

Blast Wind is underrated

I think it’s pretty great

[edgy girder]

So the latest stable version of the core always takes me to the BIOS CD player screen with the "Drive door open" error displayed. Has anyone else here run into this issue?

FWIW I was able to play through Clockwork Knight from start to finish the other day on the core. It was in CHD format and I was using a US bios.

[balmy prawn]

You should just be using the region free Hitachi bios

Whether or not the bios has any effect in this regard is unknown

[edgy girder]

What's the filename for that BIOS? I don't believe I was using it the last time I got in-game on the core, but it's worth a shot regardless lol

[frail token]

I looked at a list of region free BIOS and there was like a lot of variations to the file so I couldn't tell which one was the right one

[balmy prawn]

There's only three as far as I'm aware. All three being for the Hitachi

I personally use Hi-Saturn Navi 1.03

[frail token]

three is more than one

that's all I got to say about that

[edgy girder]

Sega Retro's showing region free variants for every bios revision heh

[edgy girder]

Regardless, I'll switch to this bios file to see if it makes a difference for my issue

[kindred peak]

I've always used a region-free US bios on MiSTer. You don't have to use the Hi-Saturn.

[burnt matrix]

Y’all make fucking awesome retro game videos! Thank you for keeping the passion alive and for educating the rest of us on so many cool games!!

[small gust]

Anyone else experience the water plane and sky plane to glitch out to a white background in panzer dragoon zwei, in the first flying section of the game on the latest(or recent) unstable core?, or is it just me? 🙂

Maybe the recent line window fix for the game broke the bg plane?.

[old pasture]

That video is epic!

[old pasture]

Robby is the 63rd best person on this discord.

[kindred peak]

Ah... That's the stuff. 😊

[frail token]

Yeah so which one is the "good" one lol

[edgy girder]

From what I understand, any of the region free ones. Still haven't gotten a chance to see if it makes a difference for my "Drive door open" issue, though.

[burnt matrix]

The good one is the one that works.

[kindred peak]

Which logo do you prefer?

[frail token]

The good one

Duh

[versed violet]

"Manx TT SuperBike" that was broken from the game start, is now working perfectly fine again ! : Spacibo !!

[pearl harbor]

I miss you Virtua Cop comment! We hardly knew you...🥺

[ripe valley]

Oopsie, missclick.

The Virtua Cop games are working once more too.

[pearl harbor]

Now if only we could get lightgun support.

[ripe valley]

As long as UNO DX is working, the core is already perfect. 😏

[pearl harbor]

Fan translation when!

[ripe valley]

I wanted to test the game for 5-10 mins, it was a 4 hours longplay last night instead.

[cunning oak]

Wait there's an anime UNO?

Welp, I know what I'm streaming later today

[ripe valley]

Always welcomed to help on your streams ideas.

[cunning oak]

I never really played the saturn

I know there's HELLA shmups on it

And all the fighters are arcade perfect

But that's about it

[unique moat]

have any of you folks experienced issues with the Saturn core where it just forgets the Dpad mapping? buttons are still mapped fine, but it seemingly just forgets the dpad? This is with the latest unstable build and I'm using a Retrobit Sega controller

[pearl harbor]

Hasn't happened to me yet.

[ripe valley]

Not on my side, as I'm only using M30 controllers on that core.

[cunning oak]

Negative

[pearl harbor]

Have you tried other controllers to see if it happens with them as well?

[burnt matrix]

Seems like it’s an issue with the controller? - https://www.reddit.com/r/SegaSaturn/comments/kz05qd/saturn_retrobit_controller_issues/?rdt=57027

Maybe you’re swapping input modes by accident?

[unique moat]

however if i open up the MiSTer menu it still works fine there

it's just in core

[burnt matrix]

lol so weird

[unique moat]

yeah

[cunning oak]

Hmm...

[burnt matrix]

Sorry @unique moat I’m out of ideas

[unique moat]

i should go find my Saturn version of this contoller and see if it does the same thing

i have one somewhere

[burnt matrix]

I have their Seturn one but I swapped the internals out for Porkchop’s board based on the GP2040-CE. Been working great for me.

I’m not that much of a Saturn fan to notice the details between the RetroBit and the official Saturn controller but it’s a really cool recreation of the cool pad imo.

[pearl harbor]

Helpful Robby isn't good.

||He's amazing! ||

[burnt matrix]

Nah I’m not being helpful. I tried though. I really hope he figures his issue out.

[frail token]

I unironically want to know if this is good

[marble laurel]

Update Saturn :
VDP1:
-fix drawing of Scaled sprite with zero size (menu Vandal Hearts - Ushinawareta Kodai Bunmei)
VDP2:
-fix DMA write to VRAM (missing tiles in Darius Gaiden)
-fix Transparent shadow (menu Puyo Puyo 2)

[ancient surge]

Oh a new update soon?

[mortal mist]

Nice 🎉

[cunning oak]

Hurray!

[ripe valley]

I'm glad that some of our issue reports could help.

[cunning oak]

Do you want us to report any bugs or anything here?

Or is there an archive to be like "Yup, that's happened before."

[ripe valley]

If you have a GitHub account, that should be better for you to do directly.

But if necessary, you could also write some of them here and someone (or myself) will transcribe them on the issue report.

[cunning oak]

Sounds good

[burnt matrix]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues

Y’all are amazing for reporting issue, thank you so much!!

[ripe valley]

That's how I used to worked on emulator testing teams years ago.

What could be important is to have a common place where the info is, even closed issues.
As it could be used for future reference or documentation (like with the PAL Lemmings 3D issue or the SNK games which need 1MB DRAM only).

[burnt matrix]

It takes a village to raise a mister core

[ancient surge]

That's why I made an account and tried digging around for the stuff people weren't reporting on.

SEGA Saturn has a surprisingly big library of games, so it's important to be thorough.

[ripe valley]

And, it's gratifying.
You don't need to know how to code for helping the project.
Just have time, good eyes and ears, know probably some games or even have original hardware for comparison.
Devs don't have eyes everywhere, even more with so much games and apps on the system, so we could be useful with our cumulated playing time and our tests.

[ancient surge]

New builds are dropping in #unstable-nightlies

Yup, Puyo Puyo 2 is fixed now.

Also Super Tempo still doesn't boot.

Always double check that because it did work on older builds, then randomly decided to break.

Hang-On GP still has that strip of blue sky on the right side.

[naive whale]

fun stuff

seems like its gonna be a consistent thing now

[pearl harbor]

Love that srg320 is in a good enough place to update the core this frequently now. ❤️

Two Saturndays in a row.

[analog totem]

srg’s been spoiling us

[ripe valley]

I don't have enough time for closing an issue that @mortal mist is already on it. 😏

[gloomy hedge]

YO MORE BUILDS!?

winSCP my beloved, wake up, we have work to do

[inner kayak]

is there a little test suite for Saturn like there is for PSX and N64?

for opcode latency, interrupt and DMA side effects, etc

[wise brook]

ASTAL LEVEL 2 IS FIXED

the moment I read that a transparency issue was fixed I thought it might benefit a few other games

@drifting frigate one you and I knew was an issue

[drifting frigate]

Boom! Awesome!

[wise brook]

level 3 boat ride too

[old pasture]

I'm gonna go live in a few minutes with the new updated Saturn core

https://www.youtube.com/live/qWyhj527Dc0?si=1_PCiV8-lrv4XTVl

[ripe valley]

Unfortunately.

[hardy lodge]

How is grandia on the core? Any major issues?

[gloomy hedge]

yooo did Shienryuu ALWAYS run!?!?

cuz it runs PRETTY much perfectly

it just starts up weird and you gotta put it into tate mode

[mortal mist]

Some graphical glitches at the beginning (intro scene), some slowdowns

works good

[night geyser]

Would you guys say mister runs Saturn better than original hardware or as equivalent?

[stiff patrol]

iys a beta core

so no its not better

yet

[sudden tusk]

Indeed ..

[gloomy hedge]

@naive whale was this how it always was?

the intro movie doesnt work, and then it starts up janky but then you go into arcade mode and you good

[night geyser]

So eventually it should be equivalent or better one day?

[gloomy hedge]

you're askin the wrong questions imo

I guess what is your goal

or what are you looking for, the core is in development and it is technically something that is experimental

[night geyser]

I have a friend that is contemplating modding a Saturn to play games and was wondering if the core here will be as compatible as modding one will be, at least if it will be after it’s complete

[night geyser]

Ahh I see

[ripe valley]

Shienryuu have no sprite layer rotation mode implemented so far.

[gloomy hedge]

you should ask after it is complete

[gloomy hedge]

but the sprites here seem to rotate just fine? hmm

[ripe valley]

srg320 knows about the problem.

[gloomy hedge]

yes but can you show me the problem

I see stuff rotatin 😛

gonna play some of dat Darius Gaiden brb

[night geyser]

Also wanted to confirm is this where you would report any issues or slow downs in Saturn core with certain games? Or is that even a thing?

Sorry all fairly new to this

[ripe valley]

I've seen a small bug on Route D, on Darius Gaiden, when you are inside the asteroid.
In fact, when you are leaving the asteroid, a sprite layer is popping too soon.

[ripe valley]

The best way should be on the GitHub.
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues
But you can also leave a note here.

[night geyser]

Okay perfect thank you

[gloomy hedge]

background still has issues in d gaiden

oops accidentally picked stage G

no idea what this fucki nstage is

[reef herald]

Saturn updaters working great! Just wanted to give a shout that it looks like like one other update is needed on the Single ram script. Line 77 still has "SingleSDRAM_" in the filename so it's not removing the old cores. The cores are great, but really only need 1 of each variation 🙂

[ripe valley]

On Saturn mode, the screen shall be completely rotated (like a Yoko mode).
I've not read right that you are playing on Arcade Mode, so TATE MOOOOOODE! (Sorry, too much GameSack).

[gloomy hedge]

no worries, so im good?

game seems to run very well!

I just did Darius Gaiden 3 credit clear

will upload and post here for reference if anyone needs

there is still that issue in the tunnel stage

[ripe valley]

Should be interesting for reference, thanks.

[ripe valley]

You're good.

[gloomy hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/thank-you-thank-you-sensei-thanks-gif-13277159

I also have no idea if darius gaiden music just cuts off during the fuckin credits at the end or not

lol im just a loser who doesnt have a saturn testing games for those that know lol

[ancient surge]

A little tip with reporting on issues:

If you don't know if a problem is related to the core, you can quickly look up a longplay and compare the core to the video. Ideally try to look for one from original hardware if possible.

[gloomy hedge]

one thing about longplays

a lot of them are trash emulators

and I wouldnt compare with those tbh

would definitely look for original hardware

the companies like WOL and stuff were cranking those videos out uber super fast and did not give a shit about the games themselves, they were just save stating through and did not do any comparisons with pcbs or hardware, it was whatever mame was there at the time

saturn in particular, emulation has only recently began to become good with mednafen and beetle

just my 2 cents

[gloomy hedge]

yes ! that is still there

for some reason I thought the core would fix that, but I dont know exactly what was fixed in Darius Gaiden

also enjoy 🙂

gunbird works damn good for me!

havent tried that one in a while

but for me "not shiny fancy sdram" its great!

[ripe valley]

On Route B, when you were arriving to the Dozer boss, some parts of the ground and the sky were missing (black tiles).

[gloomy hedge]

ahhh

yes I remember that!

those are now fixed

I dont rememebr seeting that issue this run

thank you 🙂

[full shore]

XvsSF seems to be a bit more stable on latest build. You can get into a game now but it still crashes. 😢

[gloomy hedge]

yeah ive got a few other things where I can get in a bit easier

but nothing big on my end

[tough star]

Oops thanks - I’ll adjust that soon

[frail token]

Is it just me or have the updates been quicker since he moved

[gloomy hedge]

https://youtu.be/QADsnABEBkY darius gaiden testing in case anyone needs on current core

[pearl harbor]

It's been like 3 or 4 updates already just in the last week or so. And we went like 3 months without an update before that!

[frail token]

right

I take it as a sign he's having a better time of it where he's at which is good

[inner escarp]

moved where?

[frail token]

not sure but out of the war torn area he was in apparently

[pearl harbor]

Out of the occupied area of Ukraine.

[frail token]

yep

[hearty marten]

Oh man, another core update! 😍

[wise brook]

go play Astal, besides a little funkieness in the bgm here and there (I noticed it in two places) it's gorgeous and very playable

[cunning oak]

That Uno game is BUNS

Cheatin ass computer.

[frail token]

would it be good for 4 players

my kids like Uno was wondering what the best way to play on a video game platform would be

[zinc vine]

what game is this?

[ancient surge]

YOU WILL GET THE +4 WILD CARD, AND YOU WILL LIKE IT!

[burnt matrix]

just get a pi

That’s what I’m using right now

||To download the latest core and transfer it to my MiSTer lol||

[gloomy hedge]

Shienryuu

[inner escarp]

Good!

[burnt matrix]

Damn, Burning Ranger’s environments are built out of a ton of bespoke meter large polygon squares. This is great for culling polys out of view for performance but it’s the reason why it looks like the game is falling apart. The lack of a Z-Buffer in the Saturn causes the individual environment squares to constantly sort over each other and the lighting doesn’t apply uniformly across each square so it looks all haphazard.

[wise brook]

it'll look nicer when gouraud shading is correctly implemented

[burnt matrix]

Ah, that’s missing. Great to know!

[cunning oak]

@frail token There's definately the anime "jiggle" in there, so I dunno how kid friendly it would be.

Didn't try anything more then one actual player, but I think it supports up to 6 players

[frail token]

What lmao

[cunning oak]

Yeah...when you got one card and call Uno, each character has an animation

[burnt matrix]

Damn dude, what are you asking about

[frail token]

#notmyuno

[cunning oak]

It's an experience

[ripe valley]

😏

[tough star]

@wookums it's fixed

[analog totem]

Gunbird has worked pretty much perfectly for me for quite some time! I remember I was switching between original hardware and the core and didn’t notice any major differences.

[reef herald]

Good deal, thanks!

[tough star]

thanks for reporting

the saturn core feels solid now

very happy with the progress srg320 made 😄

[pearl harbor]

Hopefully the Shining Force III issues will be addressed soon!

[burnt matrix]

Powerslave still has those weird texture alignment issues

[hearty carbon]

I've noticed that no console has slapped a webcam on there since the debacle that was 360 UNO

[hearty carbon]

Did they get a cool Uno game where people were really utilizing the web camera feature?

[mortal mist]

Same for Tomb Raider

[tall radish]

The saturn core does have an issue on how the controller code is done. It's like the SNAC port is always on. Maybe try unplugging from the user port.

[naive whale]

Def gonna be before the Packers bring home a trophy

[pearl harbor]

Hey, the trophy is literally named after us!

[naive whale]

“The Vince Midwest Backwater Trophy”

Nah Wisconsin is alright

At least they aren’t smashing car windows up there (I don’t think)

[pearl harbor]

Depends on if you live in Milwaukee or not.

[naive whale]

stupid ass cities

junkies and losers just out there doing this with immunity

[trim nimbus]

Could be worse and tied to a cowboys trophy

[night geyser]

the newest Saturn update does that have to be manually installed or is it under update all?

[stiff patrol]

Manually installed

[night geyser]

Okay and all the manual ones are unstable builds usually correct?

[burnt matrix]

Unstable or Test, but yes

[naive whale]

https://youtu.be/KGhQg17jquE

heyo xmen

[hardy lodge]

What's the difference between unstable nightlies and test builds? I just noticed Robert posts all of his n64 cores on test builds, while srg320 posts his as unstable nightlies.

[pearl harbor]

I think the main difference is that Robert himself posts his in test builds, and that channel is usually when the developer is looking for direct feedback from the users here for that build (they want us to test it for them). srg320 doesn't actually use the MiSTer Discord at all, and prefers feedback on Github.

[lusty rapids]

automated builds go into unstable-nightlies, builds devs posts themselves go into test-builds for direct feedback

[pearl harbor]

So I was somewhat correct! 🎉

[tall agate]

hey @inner token, I deleted the isolation around the USB mounting tabs on my saturn adapter and tied them to GND, do you know if that should be ok? I just noticed on your boards the USB shielding is not connected and wondered if that was intentional 🙂

[tawny forge]

What saturn connector is that?

[tall agate]

what do you mean?

[tawny forge]

I can’t find a female through hole saturn controller connector anywhere

[wise brook]

I got you bud

https://a.aliexpress.com/_EzfNaMt

[tawny forge]

Yeah, those are the ones I know of. Which aren't through hole from the looks at the pics? 🤔

[wise brook]

just bend them methinks

[naive whale]

Smartest man in WI

[tawny forge]

Just got a pack of them so I can play around a little bit.

[inner token]

yeah that will be ok, shielding on the usb connector on IO board is tied to GND.

[cyan tapir]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/87

[mortal mist]

Just out of curiosity, what revision of sdram do you have ?

[cyan tapir]

128mb

[wise brook]

2.5, 2.9, 3.0

and is it 2 ram chips or 4?

[cyan tapir]

128MB SDRAM Board(V2.9)

[wet hull]

New update incoming

[marble laurel]

Update Saturn
VDP2:
-fix Color calculation (playfield Kanzen Chuukei Pro Yakyuu Greatest Nine)
VDP1:
-fix vertical draw direction for Scaled sprite (arcade intro Twinkle Star Sprites)
-fix drawing of Normal sprite with zero size (Cube Battler - Story of Shou)

[dusk sonnet]

where the rbf?

[kind stump]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-grannies-abuelitas-chistosas-grandmas-gif-17107275

[cyan tapir]

Rockman X4 JP Dialogue Boss crashes - Core: Saturn_unstable_20240120_18aa6e

[naive whale]

Ooh fun more updates

[severe shore]

anyone know if saves for Akumajou Dracula X are working? On the screen with Data select, I have to create a choose/create a character every time. System RAM has 5 slots and Cartridge RAM shows NO.

[mortal mist]

yes, save works

enable AUTOSAVE: On, before switching off MiSTer open OSD to save on SD card

[severe shore]

I'll try that, I'm seeing the .sav file on my NAS, but System RAM shows empty each time I start. Maybe game progress has only certain save points?

[mortal mist]

yes , in a spinning coffin

😛

save point 🙂

[severe shore]

ah, that explains it, thanks!

[ancient surge]

Oh sweet more stuff I reported on is being fixed.

Yeah it's looking normal now.

[cunning oak]

I forgot that TSS was on the Saturn

[tiny prairie]

Does this .rbf fix sprite scaling in soukyugurentai? Invisible enemies on first stage

I'm travelling for the next two hours and can't test it, mimimimimimi

[ancient surge]

It's a really good version of Twinkle Star Sprites too, almost better than the original Neo Geo version. The only thing holding it back is the heavily compressed audio during matches.

Anyone tested out Pu-Li-Ru-La?

The mirroring effect was previously broken, so I was wondering if the changes to how scaled sprites are drawn has changed anything in that game.

https://www.retrorgb.com/artemio-urbinas-240p-test-suite-finally-hits-saturn.html

Oh this will come in handy with bug testing the core.

[ripe valley]

No change on Darius Gaiden, Rayman nor Asuka 120%

I will test Hang-On GP in the next minutes.

[mortal mist]

unfortunately I can not reproduce the problem with Megaman X4 , the game works very well

[trim nimbus]

does the new change fix pu-ri-lu-ra? (-fix vertical draw direction for Scaled sprite (arcade intro Twinkle Star Sprites))

[subtle tusk]

I was going to look but apparently I don't have pu-ri-lu-ra

[ripe valley]

I'm checking right now.

It's fixed, when I'm comparing some images from days ago, we have the same kind of image compared to the OG system now on the core.

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[gloomy hedge]

builds are comin HOT

[gloomy hedge]

thank you for everything you do to test, I'll drop a few tests as well on my shitsdram

could it be safe to assume the build only addresses the patch notes?

and maybe we shouldnt test the other games every time?

[ripe valley]

I've just addressed the problem on Route D for Darius Gaiden, I didn't take the time to watch the whole playthrough from the other day.
If you've seen other graphical problems on the game on later stages, you can leave me a message here and I could update the issue with new infos.

[gloomy hedge]

you mean the asteroid?

or somethin else?

[ripe valley]

The asteroid.

[gloomy hedge]

thats the only one I recall

I dont know the port THAT well but I'll let you know

I'll drop you a note if I see anything else

[ripe valley]

Thanks, as I'm not knowlegdable too on that port.

I'm not retesting all games and issues everytime, just some specific titles.

[sudden tusk]

Looks the same in og hardware

[hearty marten]

Anyone know if the too dark FMVs in Sakura Wars have been fixed? 😇

[mortal mist]

Does this happen often ?

[mortal mist]

you can always check it 🙂

[wise brook]

has it been listed as an issue on guthub?

[sudden tusk]

lol guthub

[ripe valley]

Not on 20240120 core version at least.
I've tested the English translation yesterday.

[hearty marten]

Sure thing - I was just being lazy in case someone happened to have tried it recently 🙂

[hearty marten]

Thanks. Hope you didn’t go out of your way to test it just now for me!

Ah, it seems not. A happy coincidence for me at least 🙂

[ripe valley]

I'm testing some other games.

[hearty marten]

That’s a good point actually. I haven’t checked

[ripe valley]

An issue wasn't reported yet on 'Bubble Bobble also featuring Rainbow Islands (USA)' about a missing sky texture during the menus.
And the fixes from today fixed also the problem.

'Three Dirty Dwarves' levels transitions also improved during last week fixes.

I can't seem to be able to reproduce the random crash bug on Rockman X4 so far, maybe I'm lucky on my tests.

[thorn pagoda]

practically daily builds at this point - amazing

[mortal mist]

me too , I played the NTSC-U and NTSC-J versions, no problems

[thorn pagoda]

we're so incredibly lucky to have such talented dedicated developers

[mortal mist]

I repeated the boss fight several times , everything works. Maybe some settings in the ini ? 1440p ? vrr or something else ? PSX sometimes has problems with this

[ripe valley]

So, I won't search further on my side and skip to other games for today.

[frail token]

Damn SRG is on fire with updates

[ocean wasp]

Played policenauts until disc 3. Everything went fine. But now starting today save game is lost. Didn't change/update anything, didn't even put SD card out. Seems save write to SD was corrupted. Oh well. Someone gat a disc 3 save of the game? Dont want to play all over haha

[wise brook]

sorry, you dropped this

👑

[tall agate]

I designed it blind and the initial fit was way off but the cover comes off and you can bend the pins over

[drifting frigate]

Check under Arcade Gears.

And yes, it DOES fix Pu Ri Lu Ra.

[thorn pagoda]

nice!

[drifting frigate]

More clear shot.

[ancient surge]

I can tell it's still not perfect.

[drifting frigate]

Yeah, it's got a touch of separation that isn't in the OG hardware. But it's at least the right direction.

OG hardware

[tall agate]

just trying to load up the SNAC build and it seems to crash (black screen) when I load it, I don't see the resolution info box and the menu button doesn't trigger an OSD

[tawny forge]

Just so I understood, did you print a new plastic piece that keeps the pins at 90 degrees?

[tall agate]

it's the original cover, I just bent the pins and routed them through the side

[drifting frigate]

You're triggering the menu from another controller or the MiSTer, right? SNAC can't trigger OSD. I'm sure you are, just making sure.

[tall agate]

Yes, thx, I'm hitting the OSD button, I got the other SNAC boards working

I wanted to make a new build but I can't find the SNAC branch

[drifting frigate]

It's not public. @inner token usually does it but the last one was October I think.

The speed with which the changes are coming are going to make SNAC a 'once in a while' thing until it gets incorporated, I think.

SRG is just moving like the wind now.

[inner token]

does the regular Saturn core work for you kow?

[tall agate]

These cheap saturn plugs have a lil flashing uvula that needs to be cut out

[tall agate]

Yes

Saturn_20231018.rbf and Saturn_unstable_20240122_157abb.rbf are good

[drifting frigate]

"Well, Babs' uvula...." - Chevy Chase

[inner token]

Snac build from 10-10 still boots for me here, I updated mister not too long also. not sure what your problem is.

wasn't there something with boot.bin presence making people have black screen?

[tall agate]

is there a link for the 10-10 one? I just see Saturn_SingleSDRAM_SNAC_20230915.rbf

oh, I see it

[inner token]

yeah bet that was the problemo, that one should work.

[tall agate]

that works, thanks 🙂

[pearl harbor]

I still keep that SNAC build on hand just for my 3D controller. Gotta have those analog triggers!

[tall agate]

I should probably go buy that $30 Saturn steering wheel I saw last week :3

[inner token]

guess that means it works 😄 (the build and your pcb)

[burnt matrix]

I hate to be that guy but dude it's totally worth it. Super fun to play Sega Rally with it. All hail our SNAC overlord @inner token

[tawny forge]

Do they offer a tight connection or are they as loose as the existing extension cables?

[tawny forge]

I’ve just spent $50 on a 3d controller just to add support to it to the RetroPad32 😅

Good news is that it works and mission accomplished 😀

[burnt matrix]

@tawny forge great to hear!

y'all are goddamn heroes, I love using original peripherals

[tall agate]

Pretty loose

[gloomy hedge]

oh this game is one of my childhood favorites, thats awesome

[serene thunder]

I have waited for this day

[tawny forge]

Will upload a new mapper app with new firmware soon 👍

[tight imp]

I’ve got the Bios Hi-Saturn Navi 1.03 file but I’m unable to expand the file on my Mac. I’m assuming I don’t put it on my sd card in zip format?

[tawny forge]

@serene thunder https://drive.google.com/drive/u/1/folders/19Yx-YuGdnQWixBtmej3V1DL9jKkrBD7-

Lemme know if you have any issues!

[gloomy hedge]

so are these unstables making it to the downloader or

is it a wait until there is critical mass

[balmy prawn]

if you have the ability to use the downloader, you have the ability to FTP them over if you want to update to them.
But not by default no, the nightly builds are not downloaded. You would need a script that does that specifically.
I think there's one on vampiers site you can use.
@gloomy hedge

https://vampier.net/MiSTerScripts/

didn't realize url's could be case sensitive.

doesn't seem right

[gloomy hedge]

that is sus

[balmy prawn]

maybe I also just mispelled something

[gloomy hedge]

I dont know what you mean about ability but anyways yeah was just curious

[balmy prawn]

[gloomy hedge]

seems odd that the core is in downloader when it is not in the same shape as the N64 core which is not haha

just an odd occurance

carry on

I'm easly just grabbing them from here and putting them up

[balmy prawn]

N64 is part of the downloader now

[gloomy hedge]

tbh 99% of my games nothing has changed in the past week so it makes sense

[gloomy hedge]

oh is it? missed that, I still have the line added to my downloader haha

guess it doesnt matter either way

today's core came through fine so all good

[balmy prawn]

which is why you didn't notice ye.
it got added to the downloader.txt file for normal download now

[gloomy hedge]

I gotcha haha thank you

but yeah these updates for saturn are super exciting

I cant wait until some of my favorite games are more playable

its easily the most valuable my mister has been to me, personally, because saturn emulation just sucks

[balmy prawn]

Not sure if Saturn will ever be in super good shape like we would want it to be.
I feel as though at some point either DualSDRAM will be a requirement, or the DE10 just can't handle certain games

[gloomy hedge]

will have to wait for someone to throw the white flag before I say that

but I hear ya

[balmy prawn]

despite all the work that SRG has done, I feel as though we're gonna hit a wall with it one way or another

he'll make sure to make it as good as he can though

[gloomy hedge]

yep

Its just so much more important than these other cores because there is just no place to play these games properly

there just isnt

beetle in retroarch is getting better but inputlag is a huge issue still

[balmy prawn]

is there not good software emulation or something?

[gloomy hedge]

no

[balmy prawn]

[gloomy hedge]

its pretty accurate audiovisually

but the input lag is very bad

like awful

[lusty rapids]

what about skipping retroarch and just using mednafen's saturn support directly? (what beetle is taken from)

[gloomy hedge]

beetle saturn is pretty good, and ive gotten clears on it, but for games like cotton / cotton 2, blast wind on hard, etc.

it doesnt feel right because of the huge input lag

playing cotton 2 the way its meant to be played, just cant happen right now, unless there's something I dont know OR there is some runahead capability

[balmy prawn]

yeah, I'm with DP on this one, using a retroarch core is not a good benchmark/basis for whether or not any emulation of a console is good.
You will always have a potentialy lesser experience using a core in RA compared to a dedicated emulator

[gloomy hedge]

oh yeah Ive done that a bunch

btw I really hate retroarch

but beetle is much more accurate than mednafen outside of retroarch and runs better unfortunately

mednafen outside of retroarch has even more input lag

the only other comparable emulator is SSF

and those have specific forks and versions that are floating around

some versions run some games better, but we're talking like super old software here, with accuracy issues

Take for Example the SATURN TRIBUTE ports for Switch or PS4 by city connection

these are made with a base of SSF emulator or something so similar it cant be discerned to be different

[lusty rapids]

isn't the beetle core taken care of by the mednafen team?

you'd think they'd both get the same improvements

I'd also be curious about operating system environment and USB polling rate

[gloomy hedge]

yes it is a fork of mednafen

I dont know the details

but in my real world experience, beetle runs a lot better

[lusty rapids]

well it's a retroarch core, they're all forks :p

[gloomy hedge]

I got a mister to never touch retroarch again ahha

I fuckin hate that entire software

either way, yeah there's just not a good way to play saturn with low input lag

not that I've found, if someone here has secret methods or emulators im all ears

[frail token]

Whoah when

[gloomy hedge]

I just wanna play some saturn games or eventually I'll just have to buy a saturn with $1000 worth of gizmos to make it hdmi lol

[balmy prawn]

idk. December?

I remember it was added to main

I remember being told it was in the N64 channel

[frail token]

Eh? I've never had it

I had to grab it manually last night

[balmy prawn]

or it was added via update_all perhaps

[frail token]

I use update_all

[balmy prawn]

weird. Could've sworn it got added

[frail token]

I thought you had to add it manually

[untold zephyr]

That is very sad to hear, I feel it will reach a very high standard of compatability. What makes you think it can't make it? It looks really close as it stands to me, what are the major issues outstanding and insurmountable?

[balmy prawn]

Did X-Men vs Street Fighter ever get resolved?

cuz if not, that game just straight crashes

[pearl harbor]

N64 was never added to the main update channel. Saturn is there, but not N64.

[untold zephyr]

One particular game doesn't work yet - so the project is impossible? did I understand you properly

[serene thunder]

Saturn seems pretty hopeful
No video card tho
For those sweet upgraded FMVs

[pearl harbor]

It's definitley more than one game at this stage that doesn't work.

[gloomy hedge]

the core is very early in my eyes

so not really ready to judge but yeah if it ceased production today, I would not continue to play it, it is just not there for me, its painfully close though 😉 which is why I have faith

[pearl harbor]

Really makes you wonder where the core would be at this point if srg320 didn't live in a war zone. I feel so bad for him. At least he seems to be in a better place now after moving recently.

[gloomy hedge]

yeah all we can do is hope that the he has the important essentials to live, forget about the core, but this is a nice bonus that he has had time to continue

[astral crane]

I also think the same way. It's cool to test and see the games we love running, but I want to play seriously only after the core is ready.

[burnt matrix]

The Saturn core is incredible. 💪

It gets better every day. SRG keeps on delivering!

[untold zephyr]

I agree, excellent progress on a complex machine 👍 Surprised by the negativity towards his work tbh

[quick sorrel]

Never seen any negativity- srg320 is doing gods work- Saturn needs to be experienced by more people.

[hearty carbon]

Developers were complaining about the complexity of that system even when it was new. Or at least that's what I would always read about why support for the system wasn't there, ports had issues, etc.

Eventually it just wasn't worth the effort here in the states, it felt like, with the install base so much lower than the PSX

[quick sorrel]

I thought the negativity was towards srg320 😅

[lusty rapids]

I think people took srg's long silence the wrong way

[hearty carbon]

Or the grim way.

[lusty rapids]

as "hmm the saturn core hasn't been touched in a while, must be bad"

instead of "oh he's trying to escape the hell war"

[quick sorrel]

Ah… glad he’s doing better regardless of the undeserved negativity

[burnt matrix]

MiSTer is how I play Saturn. It’s thanks to the amazing SEGA fans and SRG’s amazing work that I finally get to experience the greatness that is Saturn!

[upper dust]

same! It's my new retro since I didn't have one as a kid and emulation has been spotty on the PC. This core is letting the Saturn be born again!

[hardy lodge]

Pls stop reading my mind and posting it.

[burnt matrix]

LOL

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-yoda-the-mandalorian-reaching-out-take-my-hand-dont-leave-me-gif-16409904

[tawny forge]

Where can I find this Saturn connector footprint? Is that Eagle PCB?

[wise brook]

I'm doing my part
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/92

going to attempt to capture a screenshot of both MiSTer and original hardware, both thru analog RGBS.

[untold zephyr]

This dude is straight up saying it can't be done!

[mortal mist]

I will leave the theories about whether something can be done or not to the core author.