Sega Saturn

[balmy prawn]

I was literally coming in here to say I can't load using the Hitachi bios

[naive whale]

Linkle Liver Story next

[balmy prawn]

time to try a different BIOS

[naive whale]

Marvel seems near to perfect

[stiff patrol]

well it loads

then crashes

[naive whale]

X Men vs SF?

[stiff patrol]

yes

[naive whale]

ok so its not just me. Thanks

[stiff patrol]

Thats dual memory too

[naive whale]

I am on my Dual Ram build but using Single to test

since I know thats what 99% of everyone is using

[stiff patrol]

I am in the 1 % !

suck it peasants

[ancient surge]

Me too. 🤡👍

[balmy prawn]

OK, So figured out my issue. I needed to enable the 4mb RAM

[naive whale]

Linkke Liver Story is just SO not self-explanatory

just dumps you in...best of luck

[stiff patrol]

even with that the Xmen V SF crashes in game

[mossy crystal]

Has anyone tested if Grandia is now fixed?

[stiff patrol]

and you can only get in game by hitting start quickly

[naive whale]

testing the new SotN on the new core then to edit

[pearl harbor]

I'll test X-Men vs SF in a minute. Shall I break the trend!? Or just...break the game.

[naive whale]

so far its stumped us all

[fallow oracle]

oh don't get me started on linkle

me, a rhythm gamer, still trying to figure it out

[hearty marten]

I wonder if this update fixes the FMVs being too dark in Sakura Wars 🤔

[pearl harbor]

Got into a match in X-Men vs SF, it worked for maybe 10 seconds of gameplay before it crashed. Womp womp.

[naive whale]

at least its consistent

gone are the days of diff results

[pearl harbor]

Good for srg320! Easier to trouble shoot.

Dang, Shining Force III still crashes in battles.

[balmy prawn]

So after testing all three dumps across all three Hitachi, all three Sega, and the one Victor BIOS, I can confirm that for me on a single module of v2.9 SDRAM X-Men crashes in game every single time. Sometimes it's at character select, sometimes it's right on the loading screen, and sometimes it's in the first match, but it always freezes.

[ripe valley]

X-Men vs SF. Random crashes on my side (once when loading the intro, once on the select screen, once during my first battle).

[naive whale]

I think we can safely say not playable

[ripe valley]

Digital Pinball - Necronomicon works perfectly now, was crashing with a green screen since 4-5 builds.

Super Tempo, no change (as someone asked earlier).

[pearl harbor]

Shining the Holy Ark is so good.

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/wine-alcohol-red-will-ferrell-drinking-gif-5034418

now I can die

[mortal mist]

one of my fav games

[subtle tusk]

Funny if RTC is now working right after Christmas is over

[ripe valley]

Densetsu no Ogre Battle works

I can create a character and select some cards before going into the main game.

[hearty carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/peep-show-peep-show-gif-5167057

[kindred sundial]

Does the audio in Nights and Panzer Dragoon still drop out? Guessing yes but won’t have time to test until tonight

[mortal mist]

works ok with sdram 2.9/3.0

ahhh Die Hard arcade , sounds work now

you can hear who is beating haha

[naive whale]

Nice. Lmk what other improvements you find so I can add them to my list of next tests 🙂

[mortal mist]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BpCRjALSAAe4lQGfaJgoiDZu6aLFrVOLdSEJqN4EgIg/ @ripe valley maybe you would like to add something ?

[native dagger]

Are audio levels still on the low side?

[mortal mist]

yes

[naive whale]

exporting. Vid at 4

or maybe 3...see how I feel

[ancient surge]

Damn

[naive whale]

now back to Saturn testing on Pi 5 lol

[ripe valley]

Please test Grandia once more. 😉

[mortal mist]

no change

[hardy lodge]

Really happy bout the new update, mostly because I got a bit worried for srg.

[naive whale]

seems him getting out of where he was was a good move for him personally

forget the core...just so he can keep on keeping on

[hardy lodge]

Oh he got out? Don't know nothing about his circumstances except for being in the occupied part.

[naive whale]

he tweeted a bit ago he had gotten out of occupied areas

[hardy lodge]

🥳🥳🥳

He should move in with robert, imagine what could be possible with two geniuses.

[ripe valley]

He got out, bought some MiSTer parts and was waiting for those to arrive before getting back on the core.

From two messages I've seen days ago.

[hardy lodge]

Is he still in ukraine or did he travel further west?

[wise brook]

the best news I hadn't heard

[ripe valley]

I've updated the issue report on GitHub, maybe someone else could add it to the Google Docs.

[wise brook]

that would be illegal, but if he wanted to I wish him luck

[mortal mist]

yes, I can do it, I was looking for someone to help 🤣

[hardy lodge]

Right, they are still mobilizing, right? I just hope he is alright and can feel more secure.

[wise brook]

https://vxtwitter.com/playsegasaturn/status/1745092399674634692?t=OCUtRirNDycmOGtBAFd5DA&s=19

something to test

oh and last time I checked 2player Sega Rally had no cars on screen so I'll be checking that

[mortal mist]

The problem still exists

[willow siren]

Looks like the "fix system date" note doesn't mean a general RTC fix... unless I'm missing something.
Set current date on loading Christmas Nights, Menu defaulted back to 2024/01/01 00:00. If I let the time tick over a minute on main screen and enter and exit options, it returns to 00:00

[slow osprey]

He's out of Ukraine?

[balmy prawn]

either out all together, or just out of the occupied zone

[slow osprey]

great to hear

[balmy prawn]

I would think just out of occupied cuz leaving the country all together right now is probably impossible

[naive whale]

wasn't specific. Out of the occupied areas

[drifting frigate]

I love Robert Webb so much.

[inner kayak]

my husband watched that show a lot when he was getting his MBA. like, on repeat. so he used to have almost all of it memorized.

[drifting frigate]

Peep Show was a blast. The various Mitchell and Webb series are also great, and his autobiography (read by him, of course) is excellent and moving.

[naive whale]

Video in 4 minutes...glad the Saturn train is rolling again. If only it was Saturday

[pearl harbor]

Everyday is Saturnday in our hearts.

[naive whale]

Sega SatWedurnday

yeah def doesnt work lol

https://youtu.be/qDyXCEhyv7E

off to the races

[kind bough]

Still there for me in that version, using it now 🙂

[gloomy hedge]

on my "not cool ram" mister, saturn core

also sega rally still hangs after the first leg of the first race, it shows "forest stage" splash screen and then goes to white screen for me

awesome to see improvmeents tho

sally 2 definitely didnt work before

[jagged quartz]

It seems that Salamander 2 is still hit and miss for some. It still wont boot for me

[gloomy hedge]

ahhh boo

it seems to run VERY well for me, I dont even hear any hitchy sound

I havent played much though

[sudden tusk]

Dayyyuummm! New Saturn update! Too bad my ass gotta be at work !

[jagged quartz]

Im using single sdram

[sudden tusk]

Fuck you corporate America

[gloomy hedge]

I dont know anyone using double, me included lol

[jagged quartz]

No one FORCED you to interview for the job XD

[sudden tusk]

Well shit ! Gotta get some scratch

[tiny flare]

Sega Rally was really spotty for many before the massive memory timing fixes a little while ago, I used to get a white screen back then even on v2.9 sdram with good timings

[gloomy hedge]

gotcha

im trying a few others to see if any changes

blast wind still has issues for me

(one of my fav games unfortunately)

[drifting frigate]

Sweet, MvSF!

[mint jungle]

does this update available for use with stable or does this update require unstable mister?

[gloomy hedge]

im on stable

[mint jungle]

\ /

[drifting frigate]

Stable today should be pretty up to date.

Since it's....today. I didn't check where it was cut, but it's probably pretty complete.

[mint jungle]

cant wait to try it out. i was about to report an error with some sound glitches in elevator action on the 10282023 build of the core. perhaps this recent update fixes it

[gloomy hedge]

die hard arcade does work

with sound

quiet but its all there!

[jagged quartz]

Sega Rally Chamionship works for me in the Forest stage

Are there supposed to be engine sounds?

Ive been wondering this

@balmy prawn Which bios did you recommend to me yesterday? A Hi-Saturn version?

mayge thats my issue

[balmy prawn]

I don't think BIOS has any effect on things other than just being able to launch a game to begin with.
Hi-Saturn Navi v1.03 BIOS is more or less the recommended BIOS

[tiny flare]

it works for me currently with engine sounds on the region free Hi-Saturn BIOS

but the sound will eventually randomly drop out if I play for a while

[balmy prawn]

yeah, sounds are just not quite there right now with the core period. even with dual SDRAM

[jagged quartz]

Ive never had engine sounds with the most recent ram from misteraddons

[balmy prawn]

make sure you're using the latest build of the core

[tiny flare]

I'll check again on today's build, I haven't played anything on the saturn core for quite a while now...

who knows, it may even have regressed for me - it's all still a WIP obviously

[jagged quartz]

Just added the navi hi saturn bios. Region free is nice, but I miss the US saturn bootup...

nevermind, its not region free

still nags me...

[tiny flare]

can confirm the sound still works for me, at least to start with

[jagged quartz]

for Rally?

[tiny flare]

yep

[jagged quartz]

The game works for me as well. just no engine sounds while racing

and salamander 2 doesnt load for me

[kind bough]

Perhaps it needed to be enabled when upgrading, can only say it's there in 210.10 for me

[tiny flare]

yeah, I still get the engine sounds to start with at least - would need to play for a while to see if it still cuts out eventually or not though

[jagged quartz]

Resident Evil is still wonky during the intros

Must be tied to the audio. seems to break when audio misses its cue

Wesker: Stay alert!

Barry: Yes sir! Ill maintain a constant 360 degree surveillance of this ONE AREA!

Wesker:

[tulip urchin]

Looks like Shinobi X is finaly working.

[wise brook]

it's been working for ages, just turn off pad 2. like you would with real hardware

[tulip urchin]

well i guess now it works with both pads, since it would always freeze

[tawny forge]

Is sega rally sound issues fixed on latest unstable?

[gloomy hedge]

my daytona USA works with sound now!

based!

it just really quiet sound lol

but the music is so good!

BLUE BLUE SKKYYYYYY BIIIIITCCCCCHHH

[ancient surge]

Hey, Phantasy Star IV in the Phantasy Star Collection is working!

[gloomy hedge]

no

not for me

exactly the same

sp Thunder Force 5 now at least boots for me but no sound

its playable but choppy

Thunder Force 5 but no sound @naive whale

manxx tt is stil chipmunk

[mint jungle]

is there a way to try out the latest updates to the core? I've never worked with verilog so not sure how to go about building the core from source

[burnt matrix]

Here you go - #unstable-nightlies message

Enjoy!

[gloomy hedge]

HYPER DUEL WORKSSSSSSSSSSS @naive whale with sound!!!!

that NEVER ran for me!

[mint jungle]

thanks, though I see that it says no access/a lock. I assume this means that it's a patreon excslusive?

[burnt matrix]

Also I just fixed permissions

[gloomy hedge]

the menu crashes so you gotta RUSH through

[mint jungle]

oh thanks!

[burnt matrix]

Try again!

Sorry about that

[mint jungle]

no, no need for apologies. I've been meaning to join a few mister related patreons but this is great!

[burnt matrix]

If you have any other questions please feel free to reach out here. We’re happy to help and excited that you’re checking this core out, friend! 🍻

[naive whale]

You need to join @burnt matrix patreon. Five Lone Stars a month gets you access lol

[hearty carbon]

Best I can do is an Abita Amber.

[burnt matrix]

Yeah we get that here, it’s alright

[hearty carbon]

Shiner Bock was my go to when I was a temporary Texan and wanted something made in Texas

But I drank a lot of Abita because it was good and HEB stocked it. 😄

Wouldn't turn my nose up at a Lone Star. If it's good enough for a stuffed armadillo behind a bar, it's good enough for me.

[gloomy hedge]

guardian foooorceceee

[trim nimbus]

I heard Robby drinks Lone Star Light.

[gloomy hedge]

last clip byeee y'all enjoy the new core

it is a step forward!

I have less issues, certain games now run, its good shit

[ancient surge]

Can confirm Pandemonium and Magical Hoppers is still running really slow.

[naive whale]

he's a one and done man too. 12 oz blackout @burnt matrix they call him

[trim nimbus]

That’s why they invented lone star 24/7 😆

[quick sorrel]

😃 new core update and good news about srg’s living loc

😩 can’t try it until 13 hours from now 😭

Does Radiant Silvergun still have static squelching at boss intros?

[mental folio]

I haven't had a chance to test the updated core, but is audio fixed on a number of games?

Panzer Dragoon was super quiet, last time I tried

Burning Rangers too

[burnt matrix]

omg Powerslave no longer has audio issues

[obtuse ridge]

update script doesn't download it, core isn't listed on the github, what's going on

[burnt matrix]

It’s an unstable nightly. You can grab it here - #unstable-nightlies message

Needs to be rested first to make sure it doesn’t blow anything up before it’s propagated to everyone.

[obtuse ridge]

Oh thank you Robby, I got confused because some were closing issues in the github repository

[burnt matrix]

Oh my pleasure! I know it’s a bit difficult to find. Sorry about that.

[obtuse ridge]

forgot to check there

[burnt matrix]

Oh wow Pinball Graffiti now works!

And it’s an adventure game where I play basketball? LOL wat

What the hell do I have the right game?

Ok no it says Pinball Graffiti on the title screen

Ok so it’s playable but it’s missing the baseboard for the pinball table.

https://youtu.be/UP0mxtiL-Bs

Oh wrong pinball game, it was Digital Pinball - Necronomicon that wasn’t working before.

And holy shit, you ever wanted to play pinball while some goddamn loon rambles incoherent “dark and brooding” lines at you while you play? This game has you covered!

[hearty carbon]

Oh, you've been to the same arcades as me.

[lusty rapids]

sounds like the average pinball bar

[hearty carbon]

I go to one that has a 6ft 5 300 lb dude who absolutely beats the shit out of the machines when he plays.

[lusty rapids]

he has to be the operator's favorite

pins break enough even when you 'baby' them

[burnt matrix]

Someone mentioned they couldn’t proceed to the next Sega Rally stage? I just beat all three arcade mode stages, dual ram setup.

[winter phoenix]

Yo we got a new core update?!

[light magnet]

Yes, yes we did.

[winter phoenix]

Woo what’s new in it?

[light magnet]

Bunch of improvements. You can download it from #unstable-nightlies

[winter phoenix]

No new Patreon post from Sergiy, I see

[winter phoenix]

Wow that’s great news. I wonder how he pulled that off.

[prime hare]

Saturn core is giving me an uncapturable HDMI signal. Not sure what's going on. Using unstable saturn and main

[mortal mist]

there are more places where it can happen 😄

hangs up on various occasions. It is random , sometimes the game works fine most of the time

[jagged quartz]

Half the time it works 100% of the time!

[agile bone]

Space Harrier seems perfect!

[ripe valley]

Could someone recheck the first level of Astal, I don't remember the slowdowns on the music that I heard after liberating the bird.

[mortal steppe]

I had improvements in Die Hard Arcade (sounds work good even if it's low) in the rest of issues i had with the latest core nothing changed, Clockwork Night hangs at the fmv, but pressing start It goes on but without music, the same for Panzer Dragoon 1 and 2, Sega Rally Lost sound in the attract mode, Nights during the character select. Radiante Silvergun crash at the First level, X-Men vs Street Fighter stop at black screen after the loading screen. 128mb SDRAM V2.4

[ripe valley]

For me, the core works much better.

I've seen some subtle improvements :
Clockwork Knight 1 & 2 on texture loading (like the dinosaur's skeleton on Stage 1 and the giraffe on Stage 2) compared from the previous one in October 2022.
Dark Savior improved too with correct textures now on the first minutes of the game.
Daytona USA is improved on textures and no more exploding polygons on the intro (but the sound is super low).
Densetsu no Ogre Battle works.
Marvel vs. Street Fighter works (checked with 3 stages in a row and the full intro).
Digital Pinball - Necronomicon works.
Die Hard have sound effects (but the global volume is super low).

Far less sound cut offs (with a Dual RAM 2.9 128MB system), I have a different experience from Mister Fox.

[ancient surge]

By the way, Magical Drop III and Asuka 120% Burning Fest still have the graphical problems.

[cursive tree]

Is there any new build for the 32X?

[burnt matrix]

Nope

[mortal mist]

latest s32x core is from december

[ripe valley]

Nope, same sound problem, I tried yesterday night.

[naive whale]

https://youtu.be/8tHXDMJGjhc

you know I tested some Saturn

[winter phoenix]

So you mention VDP2 fixes in the video, but the posts in #unstable-nightlies don’t mention VDP2 at all. Where did you get that information?

[mortal mist]

you can see the changes on github.

[winter phoenix]

🤦‍♂️duh of course. Thank you @mortal mist

[mortal mist]

but it was VDP1

[naive whale]

Did I say 2?

[mortal mist]

I have no idea 🙂

[burnt matrix]

[naive whale]

I know I referenced VDP. Maybe got the wrong number. Or said “VDP1 and VDP2” as it rolls off the tongue / is in my brain when I talk saturn

[naive whale]

The git commit show what portions of the hardware had new commits. VDP is listed. So you can kind of parse through the changes that way

[winter phoenix]

I thought you did but I could be wrong!

[naive whale]

🤷🏻‍♂️ I forget what I say about ten minutes after finishing saying it

[winter phoenix]

I understand 😆 it’s OK

I’m just trying to gather information for a story on the SHIRO! site

[burnt matrix]

you know what SHIRO means in Japanese right?

[winter phoenix]

ur mom

[burnt matrix]

It means 白

[winter phoenix]

It sure does

⚪

[burnt matrix]

Because 白 is Japanese for SHIRO

Get it?

I am expert on Japan

||I am not an expert on Japan||

[winter phoenix]

It also means 🏯 !

[burnt matrix]

I didn’t know, that’s cool

[winter phoenix]

(It’s used in the Segata Sanshiro commercials as an imperative command conjugation for the verb “to do,” though, which in that context actually means like “you should buy”)

[wise brook]

Japanese is a contextual language

I was very stumped when I first read "that is a very clean mountain"

[paper tiger]

i should try this Saturn core already dangit.. there good instructions somewhere to get it going? :p

[burnt matrix]

This pinned message should help you get started!

#1046941029296779344 message

If you have any more questions feel free to reach out here. 🍻

[paper tiger]

ah nice..thank you!

[trim nimbus]

Is there a pin on how to find the pins? 😉

[paper tiger]

I glanced at the pins but didn't see that one... I guess since it was further down ;p

[burnt matrix]

Maaaaaan there really should be lol.

It’s in settings on mobile? Like whyyyy

[unique coyote]

All for the low, low price of $1,299.99!!!!! Jesus flipping Christ!!!

[winter phoenix]

the iOS version of Discord is a UI disaster right now

[naive whale]

Lol I never said it was cheap

[unique coyote]

I know.

Just giving people a head start you know.

[ripe valley]

I've done some more issue reports and updated/closed others done some months before + asked to some users to provide more info on their systems.
As it will probably be needed for later when srg320 will need to find why some users could use the core functionalities completely (and some others can't).

BTW, if you're curious you can launch Clockwork Knight 2 today, you should be granted by something 'new'. 😁

[naive whale]

@burnt matrix nudes?

[ripe valley]

Nope, just another main title screen.

[tall radish]

So, you're all getting the unstable version from Update / Update All? Any reason why my script wouldn't pull it?

[burnt matrix]

It’s here - #unstable-nightlies message

[tall radish]

My mistake - i thought that build was coming in automatically

[thorn pagoda]

anyone tried out resident evil on the new build?

[mortal mist]

yes , nothing has changed

#1046941029296779344 message

works well, or crashes in various places 🙂

[pearl harbor]

Did some more testing with some of the games that have always had some issues.

Elevator Action Returns still has the audio bug with the insane laughter when an explosion occurs.

The polygon shading issues are still present in games like Nights Into Dreams (also, no audio issues at all in that game)

Afterburner II still has no audio.

Can confirm that Salamander 2 is completable. Did a full play through.

Power Drift still does not have screen rotation.

No audio issues that I can notice in Radient Silvergun.

Shining Force III still crashes during battles.

[ripe valley]

https://vxtwitter.com/memory_fallen/status/1745450331276988751

[pearl harbor]

@burnt matrix 's dream come true!

[burnt matrix]

Single ram or dual?

[pearl harbor]

I'm always a single ram peasant!

[burnt matrix]

Legit thank you for calling my attention to it. It really sucks dying far into a level and having to restart the whole damn thing so the level select code will come in handy!

Also the guy posting it has a cool blog!

https://32bits.substack.com

[pearl harbor]

Thank @ripe valley !

[winter phoenix]

yeah, Bo's blog is awesome. his finds are amazing

[round torrent]

Hi all, sorry for the obvious question but is there a link to the latest Mister Saturn core that was just released?

[jagged quartz]

Here you go

https://discord.com/channels/647909397477195803/807613978154762252

It may have been hidden for you.

[round torrent]

Ah!

don't seem to have access

Got it. Thanks

[drifting frigate]

Go to id:customize and make sure you've selected the appropriate acces. It's gated by that.

Awesome

[round torrent]

Yep figured it out lol. Thanks

[drifting frigate]

Yeah, I hit enter just before you replied. Hehe.

[wooden dew]

Vampier's unstable-nightlies script isn't pulling down the most recent build... I looked at the unstable-nightlies json file and I see two entries for each of the Single and DualRam Saturn builds. One for 20231004, and one for 20240110. Shouldn't there be only one entry? It looks like Vampier's script looks for the first entry in the JSON file and considers it the most recent, which the first Saturn core entry on the list is the 20231004 build. (Correct me if I'm wrong on this)

To be clear, I don't think Vampier's script is incorrect. I think the json file is incorrect.

[jagged quartz]

Im glad you said something. Here I was wondering why Salamander 2 is still not working, and its because I pulled my copy using Vampiers script

Got a version from October XD

[pearl harbor]

I rely on my own script! The one that uses myself to manually update!

[wooden dew]

Also is anyone hearing voice acting on SOTN? Because I am not

[old pasture]

Voice acting is there

[wooden dew]

Single or Dual, and what version ram do you use?

[balmy prawn]

I use single v2.9

works for me

[old pasture]

Both.

Btw, the Android Port of SotN is surprisingly good. I tried it after trying to play the Saturn version on my steam deck, but didn't like the emulation.

[wooden dew]

Anyone getting voice acting (or not) on 2.5?

[pearl harbor]

The core is known to have issues with 2.5 ram.

[latent cliff]

am I better off using dual ram build if I have 2 x 128 MB 2.9 boards?

[wooden dew]

I see, hmm. Haven't run into any issues until now, thought I had won the silicon lottery because it fared well on the ram test.

[thorn pagoda]

it's been a while now since we've actually noticed anything running better on dualram

[ancient fractal]

Voice acting worked for me with the prior core version on 2x v2.5 SDRAM. Haven't tried the new build yet.

[pearl harbor]

As far as I'm aware, the only core that actually benefits from (and actually requires) dual ram is the Mortal Kombat/Williams arcade core.

[untold lintel]

The incomplete Jaguar core is the other

[pearl harbor]

There's apparently a super minor improvement with audio on the PS1 core, but it's not even detectable by human ears. Or something to that affect.

[thorn pagoda]

it only theoretically happens a few times an hour and causes a single digit number of nanoseconds audio delay or something

it's not just human ears we can't even think of a computer aided test to spot it

[exotic helm]

Where do I go to find the saturn mister core? Im not very discord savy.

[misty raven]

It sounds to me like that core will never run mk. It runs smash tv / total carnage… without sound.

https://www.patreon.com/posts/coinop-presents-95942872

[pearl harbor]

#unstable-nightlies message

[supple vine]

Thanks. Somehow I missed the “without sound” part. It is an important detail.

[warped cliff]

I guess srg320 made this beta so he can get bug reports

[lucid needle]

I played Radiant Silvergun for an hour or so, and I got sound distortion and glitches.

[quick sorrel]

I can’t quite recall but, on this new core, the first boss has the sound squelch, but every consequent boss’s squelch seemed to lessen. Maybe it’s just my imagination

[lucid needle]

Yes, maybe it’s improved. But since MARl0 stated that sound is fine now I just wanted to report that that’s not the case for me.

[fallen terrace]

Depends on the game, get both cores, some run better dual, some better single. Most everything runs fine either way.

[mortal mist]

can you give some examples ? I will be happy to check , because I have not noticed a difference in the games I test.

[fallen terrace]

Just going by what others have aaid. I've only got single ram myself so can't compare.

[mortal mist]

ok thanks

once there were indeed differences , at the moment after many changes for example for sdram I do not see differences

That's why when someone talks about differences it's an interesting topic for me, curiosity

maybe there are some differences, maybe for sdram 2.4/2.5

[ripe valley]

I've added or updated some minor bugs found on the issue report (Github).
There aren't essential but for complete documentation at a later time.

[wooden dew]

Yeah, I have a dual ram setup with a 128mb 2.5 and a 32mb 2.2. Both on Dual and Single Ram cores Voice Acting isn't working for SOTN for me. Good news is I just ordered a new 3.0 sdram ✌️

[tall radish]

I just heard that sergey had to move and lost his MiSTer. He will get a new one soon. There should be more updates to the cores soon.

[pearl harbor]

He moved again? Or is that just the old information from like a week ago?

[mighty zephyr]

I think it’s old news because I would assume he got a new mister with the recent update

[pearl harbor]

That's what I assumed. Just making sure though, because if that happened to him yet again, it would be absolutely horrible news for his wellbeing.

[naive whale]

Just uploaded a video on the Bomberman Fight translation. For 4 today. Works great on MiSTer

[glass aurora]

I wonder if he kept his modded Saturn hardware. I assume it was also lost in the move. Either way, I'm glad he's in safer place.

[mighty zephyr]

So many wires! It looks like it’s a model 2

[naive whale]

https://youtu.be/R_vFdXp7DSs

on MiSTer

thanks @pearl harbor for the bomberman heads up

[pearl harbor]

Bomberman time! Again!

[drifting frigate]

There's always room for Bomberman! Because of, you know, the structural damage.

[naive whale]

If there is a fighter jet in the world with Bomberman painted on the fuselage I’d be let down

Visiting the Yemen skies yesterday

[ripe valley]

New update in progress.

srg320 is doing its magic, let's wait and see within in the following hours.

DDRAM controller is being reworked.

[mortal mist]

Great news ! Thanks @ripe valley

[burnt matrix]

It’s not great news

[mortal mist]

"Rework ddram controller to speed up writing in time-critical game code (Sega Rally Championship 2 player battle)"

[ripe valley]

add support Color calculation window (Magical Drop III)
fix Extended color calculation (Linkle Liver Story transparency bug)

For the VDP2.

[burnt matrix]

It’s amazing news!!!

[mortal mist]

Maybe Pandemonium will also work faster

We will see😁

[ripe valley]

We will try later today.
I was searching something else on the Git and saw srg320 pushing code at the same time.
So, I've done the announcement right away.

[burnt matrix]

Thank you, Saturn-day hyyyyyype!

[ripe valley]

Feeling like a town crier

Aye aye
Saturn day hype is here!

[ancient surge]

Damn another update??

[ancient surge]

Oh this might fix the weird transparency bug with Magical Drop III

[burnt matrix]

The last update fixed all the audio issues in Powerslave for me, I’m so excited

[ripe valley]

That's the one.

When I read the code.

[viral pebble]

Just curious, which are the Saturn games that you can complete w/ no issues at this point in development?

[mortal mist]

I personally did not notice issues in Guardian Heroes

I completed it twice

but in many games there are some minor bugs and audio problems

[ripe valley]

I've almost finished the English translation of Policenauts, without feeling a single bug.

You need to mount the disc when asked by the game and do a reset on the core, the game will continue further after that.

[mortal mist]

Pazner Dragoon I also completed few times , the only minor issue is the color of the sight

perhaps after today's changes this too will be fixed

[ripe valley]

I've also finished some Parodius games on the core.

[burnt matrix]

Oh my god I forgot Policenauts existed 🤣

What a cool game

[ripe valley]

We're doing the game once a year with other streamers (changing the version each time, in 2024 should be the 3DO one), like some doing a Die Hard Christmas tradition with Hans Gruber.

Snatcher and Policenauts (KOJIMAAAAAA!)

[ancient surge]

New build is dropping in #unstable-nightlies

[pearl harbor]

We doing this again!?

[ancient surge]

No single RAM build? Weird.

[mortal mist]

yeah Sega Rally is fixed!

[ripe valley]

Houston, we have a problem.
My GF is back and watching her show on TV, I'm punished (no test) until 2-3 hours.
Life is unfair. 😂

[burnt matrix]

What was wrong with it?

[ripe valley]

Split screen on 2 player.

[burnt matrix]

Oh!

[ripe valley]

Cars weren't rendered.

[burnt matrix]

lol

[pearl harbor]

Us peeps with no friends would never know it was broken.

[mortal mist]

Pandemonium still slow 😛

Super Tempo , Tactics Ogre no change

Grandia no change

[ripe valley]

I need to check Astal at a later time, on the previous build, I had some hiccups on the sound when doing the second part of the first stage on my systems.

[pearl harbor]

@naive whale It's a legit Saturnday today! The perfect timing!

[naive whale]

Ahh fixes to Sega rally eh?

No vid today. Wife’s day off. Hanging out. Maybe tomorrow 🙂

Since it’s just seemingly a singular game fix. But if people find new improvements to other games @ me and I’ll add them to the list

[tawny forge]

OMG is sega rally audio fixed on crappy ram? 😱

[mortal mist]

i doubt it , but who knows

split screen works fine now

[naive whale]

It was fixed’ish last core. I’ve got captures of it for next vid

It was still maybe quiet. Aktane sent it to me

[ancient surge]

Alright the transparency is gone!

[ancient fractal]

Nice, it seems likely that also fixes a number of transparency issues in Magic Knight Rayearth

[naive whale]

I’ll add it to the list to capture tomorrow

Anyone retest marvel v sf yet? See if it fixed the freezing

[alpine pagoda]

Sega rally engine sounds and music still dropped out on the previous core with my ram. Haven’t tried the new one yet.

[naive whale]

2.5V?

[alpine pagoda]

Mulitsystem.. seems to have the same issues as 2.5

[mortal mist]

yes , someone else wrote that there is still no music with 2.5 in SR , so I doubt that it has been completely fixed.

I doubt that everything has already started working on 2.4/2.5

[ancient surge]

Asuka 120% Burning Fest Limited has not changed. I was hoping the color calculation changes would of fixed the shadows in particular, but I guess it's an unrelated problem.

[mortal mist]

I'll check how the SR with 2.5 works for me

Dead or Alive no change - slowdowns

[ancient surge]

Looks like the random lag spikes in Fighting Vipers and by extension Fighters MegaMix has been fixed. It's a lot more consistent like it should.

[naive whale]

I’ll add to list

[ancient surge]

Pandemonium and by extension Magical Hoppers are still running slow.

[ripe valley]

Seems to be better on my side too.

After Burner II boots now on my systems (Single and Dual).

[naive whale]

Didn’t after burner start working awhile back?

[ripe valley]

Vandal Hearts intro FMV seems to be fixed too, I had a problem on previous builds with doubled voice over with echo.

[ripe valley]

Not on my systems, even after waiting 2 mins.

It was working for others.

[ancient surge]

It was RAM dependent, so it would either freeze on the loading screen or boot into the game like normal.

The latest build fixed that, but it still has issues with the lack of sound.

[naive whale]

Ahh that’s right

So hard to remember now

[ancient surge]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/67

[ripe valley]

Groove on Fight - no change.

[ancient surge]

I made a new report on that by the way.

[mortal mist]

Can someone check Croc ? For me during the intro it hangs at some point. Checked on single and dualsdram.

[ripe valley]

Gimme a minute.

[ancient surge]

TEsting that out now

[naive whale]

Bummer

[ancient surge]

So I can confirm the intro cutscene for Croc doesn't crash, but it's still pretty glitchy. For example, stray polygons and the sound suddenly jumping to ear bleeding levels.

[ripe valley]

Can confirm, nice catch.
The second part of the intro freezes on my systems.

[mortal mist]

I checked on two Misters , unfortunately it never fully works for me

thanks for checking

[ancient surge]

Maybe I just got lucky?

[ripe valley]

Same + some exploding polygons.

The intro freezes when the bad guy appears and kidnaps the little furry balls.

[mortal mist]

yeah , same for me

[ancient surge]

That's the part when the game just has a stoke for me.

[mortal mist]

ok so it's very sensitive

thank you for checking

[naive whale]

Gobbos 😂

[left hollow]

Furry balls? 😆. So what works good on the core so far?

[ancient fractal]

I just checked and Magic Knight Rayearth transparency is not fixed. (It’s a pretty minor thing though, the game is perfectly playable and for sure one of the gems on the platform..)

[naive whale]

Ok I guess I’ll strike that then

Thanks for info!

[ripe valley]

Dead or Alive is working better than the previous build, but it remains some slowdowns (1-2 per fight).
Fighters Megamix is better too, but same as the previous game.
Fighting Vipers seems playable after 4 battles, no more (major) slowdowns.

The DDRAM controller rework seems to have done some interesting side effects.

[ancient surge]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/68

Wanted to post about this minor problem, since it has been a problem for a long time and was a regression from a past build many months ago.

[obtuse ridge]

I can confirm that it's incredible: the game now runs full speed, never thought it'd be possible :O Some slight sound glitches on the effects front still, but woah

[tough star]

Dance Dance Revolution 3 on the Saturn?

[mortal mist]

For me Dead or Alive and slowdowns are more a matter of randomness, sometimes I have only in one fight , sometimes almost in every

some time ago I thought , that there are no more slowdowns , but however there are 🙂

[ripe valley]

Sorry, typo as I was discussing about Dance Dance Revolution with a friend in the same time.

[tough star]

^_^

I was just messing - I knew what you meant

[ripe valley]

Now, we know that srg320 is fine.
He wants to work further on the core.

[mortal mist]

I think we can expect more frequent updates 🙂

[ripe valley]

Everything in its time will be good.

I've opened the issue for the intro on Croc.

[mortal mist]

ok maybe I'm lucky, but for me the music in Sega Rally works very well even with sdram 2.4

[ripe valley]

When I have more time later, I will retest the Rockman 8 and Rockman X 3 FMV intros stutters, as it could be timing related too.

[mortal mist]

I finished all the races with 3 laps each

single sdram

[ripe valley]

We shall invite some other testers on their issues with that recent changes.
Like for Taromaru, SEGA Rally, Super Puzzle Fighter II Turbo...

[mortal mist]

Street Fighter Zero 3 works perfect with my sdram 2.4

no slowdowns , no music cut

[ripe valley]

I was asking for that game.

Good, very good.

[ancient surge]

Seems like a bunch of games are now more stable, which is good.

[ripe valley]

They reminder me of those lil' fellas.

[mortal mist]

nice game 😄

[ripe valley]

I knew the game too as Pac-in-Time when NAMCO bought the title and rebranded it.

[burnt matrix]

🤯

[burnt matrix]

I literally had no idea 🤯

[mortal mist]

back to the Saturn , what games had the problem of disappearing music ?

[pearl harbor]

The only game on the core that I can think of that still missing audio issues is Afterburner II.

Plenty of games still have other audio issues though. Like Elevator Action Returns and its maniacal laughter during explosions.

[mortal mist]

sorry , I mean disappearing music for sdram 2.4/2.5

[ripe valley]

SEGA Rally, Super Puzzle Fighter II Turbo from what I remember.

[mortal mist]

ok , SR works ok , i will try Puzzle

[ripe valley]

Pocket Fighter too, on the character select screen.

[mortal mist]

Just to be sure, I completed a few fights in SFZ3 and it's ok

Super Puzzle Fighter II works fine, sdram v2.4, music is ok

[naive whale]

Haha they do

[mortal mist]

these are my results , need more tests from others

ok I'm back to 2.9 🙂

[alpine pagoda]

Nights music was dropping out too

[mortal mist]

I have no idea what kind of sdram is in the multisystem

sound while diving in Tomb Raider is still broken

I have errors in attract mode when displaying ranking, can anyone confirm ?

[ripe valley]

I had the chance to pass the crash on a gameplay on Taromaru with the October 2023 core revision.
The game crashes once again after the boat boss on the last revision.

Maybe I will need to test if it's a regression or by total chance, but later, much later.

[ripe valley]

Can confirm.

I can also hear some persistent micro stutters on the second part of the first stage on Astal, after liberating the bird.
I've already heard them on the 20240110 revision.
Probably will need to recheck with the October 2023 revision tomorrow and hear if it was already there or a regression appeared.

[alpine pagoda]

The multisystem ram is custom I guess, but it seems to be pretty similar to the 2.5 in terms of symptoms with this core.

[ripe valley]

Grandia seems a little bit better on speed, I need to confirm with a real Saturn system and previous builds at a later time.

[ripe valley]

Virtua Cop 1 and Virtua Cop 2 are freezing within the first minute of gameplay now on my two systems (Single and Dual).

I've tried to reboot the systems completely and start the core fresh as possible.
I can't freeze exactly at the same moment, but it's within 6-7 enemies on the first level (Easy Mode).
On VC1, it's before accessing to the grid.
On VC2, just before or just after 2-3 enemies inside the bank.

I've retried and test all the other (opened) issues reported on Github so far, and I can reproduce them, except for "Radiant Silvergun 3A boss freeze".
And I will try to document the issue on Lemmings 3D, as srg320 seems to be interested to take a look.

[naive whale]

Good info!

[compact vessel]

another update??? Poor @naive whale

[naive whale]

Lol tomorrow. Off today

[compact vessel]

Looking forward to it

you substitute playing myself 🙂

[burnt matrix]

I’m beating him to the punch. Please follow my channel RetroGameErotica to learn about the Saturn update.

[compact vessel]

haha I just heard that name right when you posted in the youtube vid

A shout out to you guys

[naive whale]

Where all videos last 2 minutes or less. Just like Robby

[compact vessel]

hehe

[ripe valley]

Okay, I've done everything today for helping and documenting issues.
So far, only 50 opened issues between users is quite a record, in a good way.

I've seen far worse case scenarios when beta testing other emus these last 20 years.

[dim tulip]

This is probably a good time to ask: I’ve been debating buying an actual Saturn and installing a Fenrir. I’m not obsessed with original hardware as the be all end all but do like playing on the CRT with minimal lag, and other solutions (like CRT Emudriver) seem kinda cumbersome. All of that is to say, is the feeling here that the Saturn core will be in a good space relatively soonish? I’m mostly interested in stuff on the Capcom side of things

Just don’t wanna even waste the money when it seems like good progress is being made

[left hollow]

I ordered a saturn from Japan and I got one with a failing vdp2 chip

[pastel basalt]

The Saturn is a great console to own physically

[left hollow]

Got a full refund for the broken console so now I'm stuck with this broken console lol

[compact vessel]

I hear from the experts is that it's already working great for many titles. I think there's a checklist?

[pastel basalt]

And the fenrir works pretty well

[trim nimbus]

The Saturn core is already in a good state, give MSH vs SF a go.

[compact vessel]

@left hollow you mean you got a free broken console??? Probably can be fixed, no?

[left hollow]

Maybe

Might be cold solder joints or something, the saturn core started development shortly after so I didn't care to look much into it

[compact vessel]

I dont have a saturn, but I do have one sealed dutch game... some gameshow game

[dim tulip]

It could need recapped maybe?I entertained buying some broken ones for cheap and seeing what I could do to fix them up. Looks like a Japanese Saturn + Fenrir is the next cheapest alternative on my end.

[compact vessel]

hmm hopefully its something simple broken

[dim tulip]

Yeah could be some kind of trace not making contact, hopefully would be an easy fix. In terms of buying one, I think the big thing for me was that I was on the cusp of getting a PS1 and installing an ODE and, until I joined this discord , was completely out of the loop on how solid the PS1 core is so that ended up saving me a lot of money and effort

So was just wondering if the feeling is the Saturn will get there. Totally get that its still in development

[compact vessel]

It's almost there, the Saturn Core. Check some of the youtube video's out

the developement went really fast

And then there's the N64 core racing along

[mortal steppe]

The games i usually test to see improvements in SDRAM issues are more or less in the same situation (music disappears and fmv playback stop) 2.4 single RAM.

[dim tulip]

Okay yeah I will check that out. Sounds like, for my needs, might make more sense to wait. I’ve been trying to minimize the amount of consoles I have, essentially just rocking the Mister and my N64 right now, and looking more and more like the N64 will eventually be able to go into storage

[left hollow]

N64 is pretty much there, just like a couple games with issues

[compact vessel]

I wanted all older consoles at some time, but dont have the money for old consoles with the current game prices, so I'm glad with the cores. I have the N64 with 4 games, hehe. In the 90s I got a game box for some star wars game and a year ago I bought the game to complete it. Shadows of the empire it was I think if I remember correctly

[ripe valley]

I've left some notes on two issues, with hints from the Mednafen team back then.
I don't know if it could help srg320 or even he will even read them as I don't know his coding philosophies (does he allow some external help from others who worked on Saturn SW emulation ? Or does he challenge to do everything by himself from scratch ?)

[compact vessel]

👍

[river wing]

What's that version of Furry of the Furries?? 😮
That's NOT the Amiga OCS version for sure...

[burnt matrix]

The MiSTer has completely replaced everything I own from 5th gen and prior. Even this core in its current state I prefer to use over a real Saturn.

[frail token]

as it should be

[compact vessel]

same, although I still keep my many PS1's

hmm, next the 3DO and CDi?

😄

I have a CDi, working (last time I checked)

[pearl harbor]

3DO is my golden goose at this point!

[burnt matrix]

golden goose? lol

[frail token]

I unironically want 3DO, CDi and Jaguar

[burnt matrix]

i want NGPC, Virtual Boy, 3DO, Jaguar, and CDi in that order

Jaguar might be at the top of my list not because I care but because it’s half working and I’d like to see it done

[ancient fractal]

Looks like the Macintosh version... I looked into the ports of this a bit when rediscovering it on Minimig a while ago, and the Mac version had completely redrawn graphics

[frail token]

Oh yeah Virtual Boy. And N Gage

[burnt matrix]

No-thanks-Gage

[mighty zephyr]

3DO core yes please

[compact vessel]

CDi does have different manufacturers though

I have a Phillips one

[frail token]

I thought it was only Philips

[ripe valley]

Same for the 3DO, multiple manufacturers.

[frail token]

yeah but that was their thing

that's how PCs should be now

[tiny flare]

yeah Virtua Cop has regressed on this build for me as well, crashes very early for me

[ripe valley]

For the CDi, you have Philips, but also Memorex, Magnavox, Grundig and Sony models.

[frail token]

god damn

[tiny flare]

I guess Virtua Cop hanging isn't a huge deal just yet seeing as there is no lightgun support

[ancient fractal]

There was a Bang & Olufsen CRT with a CDi built in 🤤

[ripe valley]

I will leave an issue.

[tall radish]

CDi actually had really good video quality with that addon for 300$. The 3DO had one they say but I never seen it to buy in the stores.

[trim nimbus]

The Saturn mpeg add on was decent too.

[tall radish]

has anyone done a VCD addon showdown ?

[river wing]

Ah, thanks!

[wise brook]

I have that one

[left hollow]

Do you use it?

For the CDI I mean

[wise brook]

if I can burn a copy of cdi tetris and get the necessary controller I'll give it a try some time

[kindred peak]

I have, but only between the CDi and Saturn, as I used them both as my VCD player at one point in the 90s. Same quality essentially.

[tall radish]

Thanks for the information.

[kindred peak]

You're welcome. It's not much info, just my own experience. I'd be willing to bet a decent high-end DVD player would do a really good job with VCDs, especially if you get into de-blocking and MNR settings.

[tall radish]

I do remember maddog was able to use the VCD addon on the cdi and looked better than the 3do game version. Though, not better than the arcade version..

I guess they would all want to push to the ends. To get there I guess would require more ram and cpu power added. I guess you could argue how much more hardware needed to be added, but eh.

[drifting frigate]

Off topic, but if you like MDMcC, definitely check out Wavy Tube Man Chronicles... Lloyd Kauffman did a spiritual sequel in the 2010s and it's pretty damned good (as good as the format can be, anyway).

[light magnet]

Hmm, srg320 is releasing cores pretty close to each other.

[drifting frigate]

He has the freedom and ability to do it now. They were coming pretty fast for a while before he went dark, but now that he's safe it seems he's picking up the pace again.

[serene thunder]

VCDs on a CRT can be decent
I used to buy official VCD releases of HK martial arts movies
Did some watching using a Saturn w/ video card

[kindred peak]

Same here! For the price of two Tai Seng VHS releases, I could get a literal stack of VCDs imported. 😄

[untold zephyr]

Working away atm.. Anyone know if the new unstable fix Shienryu rotation issue?

[ancient fractal]

No change

[mossy crystal]

my partner's not satisfied until Jet Force Gemini is fixed, LOL

[ripe valley]

For Lemmings 3D, I've followed srg320's indication, you must force use the 'Europe' version on the core (or use the Japan release of the game).

Otherwise, you will have issues with the render and multiple layers will be mixed up between screens.

The issue have been updated.

[mortal mist]

thanks for the info !

[viscid escarp]

kuba you were trying to help me get sega rally working a while back and yesterday i actually got it working, music and all 🙂

[ripe valley]

Some memory time-critical code was pushed yesterday's core revision.

So it should help some users on problematic games, but we've found also some regressions like with the Virtua Cop games.

[viscid escarp]

it's the way of progress i guess

[mortal mist]

That's nice to hear 🍻

[ripe valley]

Could someone test to boot Primal Rage (USA) on one of your system, please ?

The game refuses to boot on my two systems.
Just to be sure that we have a similar result or not.

[mortal mist]

works ok, only FMV cuts out

[ripe valley]

With yesterday's release ?

[mortal mist]

recently I had to do a full reboot before playing PR

otherwise remained on the saturn menu

I'll check again soon

[ripe valley]

I tried with a full reboot on the two systems.

It stays on the BIOS menu, whatever I do.

And the dump is OK when I check the CRC32/SHA1.

So, I need a comparative check from someone.

[mortal mist]

yeah , Primal Rage JAP works ok , I'm about to check the US version on the other MiSter

[ripe valley]

I will try the JPN version on my side, thanks.
Just to be sure to have a correct issue to submit to srg320 and not wasting his time for debugging something if it was invalid.

Interesting, the JPN version boots, but no controller response at all on that version of the game (like with Discworld).

[mortal mist]

in the menu you can not do anything ?

i will try Discworld

[ripe valley]

On Primal Rage.
For the JPN version, the game boots and I have the FMV, but no controller reponse inside the game, can't press START or bypass the intro.
For the US version, the BIOS launches the SEGA logo and goes back to the main BIOS menu, with a SEGA Saturn disc detected (infinite loop when you try to reload the game from the menu).

[mortal mist]

intro can't be skipped

Primal Rage USA works ok

[ripe valley]

I will recheck, thanks.

And you can enter the game after that ?

[mortal mist]

yes

[ripe valley]

Okay, I need to search my original disc and redo a dump.
Let's see with a fresh BIN+CUE image.

[stiff patrol]

isnt it best to just use redump

and thus avoid rotting personal copies

[ripe valley]

I've done the dump for Redump.

[stiff patrol]

also that way its a known start point rather than a homemade of unkown quality

[mortal mist]

Discworld is indeed unresponsive

[ripe valley]

I've done part of the methodology at Redump for some CD types aeons ago and use the internal method + Plextor drive.

[stiff patrol]

ok you are technical competent then

but there are many who just seem to drag a random cd drive and their ancient copy and then screw it up

[ripe valley]

Yes, I had headache with that when I tred to help on Ducktsation 2-3 years ago.

People with old Nero and CloneCD images done from hacked or CD-R.

[mortal mist]

you know the best part , that now I wanted to run Pimal Rage a second time and it won't work 😄

[stiff patrol]

insert coin !

[ripe valley]

I've tried with a fresh dump and compared to the Redump DB.

Same result, can't boot the game at all.
I tried with a CHD from elsewhere, same result too on my two systems, can't boot the USA version.

[mortal mist]

ok after a full reboot it was able to boot again

i think it;s very sensitive

[ripe valley]

So sensitive, that between systems, you can or you can't boot it.

[mortal mist]

when boots works fine

[ripe valley]

I will leave the issue as-is and will follow srg320 recommendation when he will want take a look.

Thanks for your time.

[mortal mist]

no prob

[ripe valley]

And thanks for Discworld.

[stiff patrol]

first time anyone said that about that game !

[ripe valley]

For the methology of tests on the core, I'm reusing some notes from when we (other testers and regular users) had to proof-test Nova, Mednafen and Kronos SW emulators.
Reusing a crossed list of problematic games/demos for one or multiple emulators back then (and even now).

So we could poinpoint more easily than having to test the whole fullset.

Selective testing.

[mortal mist]

my Japanese list contains 962 games , I will never be able to test it

I'm focusing more on US games at the moment

250 games 🙂

[stiff patrol]

only 2.64 games a day for a year for your Jap collection

no dedication !

[mortal mist]

I wish I had the time to do all of this haha

[ripe valley]

And sometimes, bugs are very far inside a game.

I remember a bug on DuckStation on Star Ocean 2, there was a specific bug on a swirl effect before a battle against a boss.

You needed to play more than 30H before discovering it. Stenzek said back then that Tri-Ace games are like evil, even Valkyrie Profile was a nightmare to decompile and for searching freakin' WHY those games were so broken but are working barely on an original system.

Or, on Saturn side, a bug on Rayman on Mednafen, where you need to do the whole game and beat the final boss before discovering a 'super' bug with he VDP1.

[mortal mist]

In time, such errors (deep in the game ) will surely appear, as someone invests more time in his favorite games

I think a lot of people are waiting until the core is more mature before they start playing

[ancient surge]

I do think it's important that we tackle the more obvious problems first before we dig deeper for the more obscure stuff.

For example the innacurate gouraud lighting and CDDA track impact multiple games and is one of those imperfections you can't exactly ignore. Fixing that would automatically improve multiple games simutaniously, then when that is finished the more obscure edge cases could be focused on.

[subtle tusk]

Yeah many of the biggest games are perfect other than shading or CD audio bugs.

[strong hull]

Gave a shot to Quake and HOTD on the latest dual ram core. Quake sounds amazing, on a previous version was screeching. HOTD looks and sounds good but freezes randomly

[versed violet]

The Lost World Jurassic Park, on the 3rd stage, i had a screen freeze after a jump. But the music still goes on, need to reset.

[versed violet]

Regression with the 2024 01 13 unstable on ManxTT Super Bike USA: It works perfectly on the previous unstable. But on the latest it crashes at the start of the race in both arcade and Saturn modes. I have a 2.9 128Mb SDRAM.

[mortal mist]

yes, confirmed , same here

[naive whale]

editing sat vid for 4

[manic mica]

anyone know of any builds where assault suit leynos 2 doesnt get garbled graphics?

so far all the builds ive tried have issues mid way thru stage one

[mortal mist]

unfortunately in every core I have tested this error occurs

[manic mica]

what a shame right? such a sick game

[ripe valley]

Same on Europe
I'm updating the issue ticket
EDIT : Kuba was faster

[manic mica]

of all the saturn games this is the one im most excited to see working

[mortal mist]

the time will come that it will work ok 🙂

[manic mica]

hell yeah

always blown away with how many things already working

[mortal mist]

a few years ago I didn't even dream of psx , saturn and n64 on Mister 🙂

[hearty carbon]

Some of these later Capcom cores too, for me

[manic mica]

yeah damn ive had a mister for like 4+ years now

so many cool things happened

[mortal mist]

same here , 2019

[manic mica]

it was wild seeing cps2 happen lol

[mortal mist]

yeah , i love CPS 🙂

[manic mica]

every week getting a few games at a time

i got my mister from owl for like 330 shipped

im fucking SAD they are so expensive now dang

(wanna get another one for the living room)

[mortal mist]

I bought two at prices when it was still cheap and a third some time ago

[manic mica]

smart play

[mortal mist]

I used to think that why more than one , and at the moment all are in use 😄

[warm mica]

At long last I got the Reflex Saturn adapter. Can't wait to use it after I get home from out of town with my Analog game pad.

Anyone else use Reflex products?

[silk mauve]

I use the adapters for SNAX, but while they're Reflex compatible I don't know that I'd call them Reflex products outright.

I do not use a Reflex

[pearl harbor]

Just be aware that the analog triggers only work with SNAC. They do not work with Reflex Adapt.

[warm mica]

@pearl harbor yea I don't play any games that would require the triggers or analog stick. I like the layout of the analog controller and I got it cheap ($40)

[pearl harbor]

The analog stick does work. Only the triggers don’t work.

[warm mica]

Yep. I can't think of any games that used the triggers

[pastel basalt]

Just Nights and some racers I believe

[warm mica]

@pastel basalt yea I got the Reflex adapter to support the analog stick and form factor mostly. I don't care for the triggers

[pastel basalt]

I was thinking about grabbing it! Love my og Saturn pads

[warm mica]

There is even a Virtual Boy Reflex adapter so if a core comes out, I will get it

[mortal mist]

and Jaguar 🙂

[balmy prawn]

I'll never understand why people use a Reflex Adapt with their MiSTer for controllers.

it makes zero sense to me

I guess so they can use a different old school controller with a console it wasn't made for

like using an N64 controller to play Atari 2600 or something

that just seems ridiculous to me

[stiff patrol]

so they can use a controller to navigate the menus and across cores

[balmy prawn]

still seems ridiculous to me

[sharp comet]

NoStAlGiA

[balmy prawn]

I guess I'm just too broke and too pleb to understand.
I play everything so far with a PS5 controller

[woeful quarry]

The ability to open the OSD while using original controllers, the ability to use a GunCon as a universal light gun, the ability to use a JogCon as a universal spinner, there’s plenty of reasons that might benefit someone’s setup other than yours

[stiff patrol]

I use a SNES NT controller with 10 buttons via a Deamobite for all the old consoles with 10 button joysticks

[woeful quarry]

It’s definitely not “ridiculous”

[balmy prawn]

I didn't say it was

[woeful quarry]

You literally did but ok

[stiff patrol]

you did #1046941029296779344 message

[balmy prawn]

No I literally didn't.
I said it seems ridiculous to me.
That is not the same thing as just outright saying "it is ridiculous"

[sharp comet]

some systems need them. I think saturn and genesis without a proper controller layout are hurt

[tall radish]

ntt data pad is ok. It does feel a bit odd in the hands. jaguar is another cheap alternative for old games that need a numberpad.

[sharp comet]

m30 i fine for it though

[stiff patrol]

Jaguar controller needs a more specialist adaptor though

you need a reflex adapt

[sharp comet]

n64 needs at least a gamecube

[tall radish]

i have a blisster

[stiff patrol]

I have some cream you can rub on that

[sharp comet]

some of those second gen systems used just whacky stuff, like intellivision

[tall radish]

it makes its own juice lol

[woeful quarry]

But is it worth the squeeze?

[tall radish]

that's the kind of stuff it's great for. I'm still waiting on my 4 port n64 snac adapter though, for transfer pak capabilities. I have a few ways to get the job done.

[tall radish]

It's worth a squeeze, unless you squeeze it too much.

and another example for me is sega. I like the saturn controllers the best. I use them instead of genesis ones. I have them but saturn is honestly much better.

but it's still sega

[frail token]

N64 almost needs a modern xbox style controller with 6 buttons

some games use C buttons like a camera stick some use them as real buttons

[tall radish]

so like the anti-brawler edition?

[frail token]

Just brawler with a second stick that mirrors the C buttons lol

[fallow oracle]

hot take: the n64 controller makes an excellent Saturn controller in a pinch

6 buttons, two shoulders, analog stick if you want to play NiGHTS or Burning Rangers

[tall radish]

ok, that could work, but drift would have to be kept to a minimum

ultimatly I guess you could have an xbox controller with an n64 d-pad, with saturn 6 button style layout. + hall effect

I think the same thing will happen once we get dreamcast too. Going to want the core to talk to the VMU.

[stiff patrol]

Dreamcast is never happening on a DE10

[fallow oracle]

Dreamcast VMU core when

[balmy prawn]

Yesterday

you just need a time machine to get it

[sick python]

I love the Reflex Adapter, use it on PC as well.

[balmy prawn]

While it's a nice dream (pun intended) yeah, it's not happening on a DE10.
It's basically you running a complicated arcade machine with PC level components and software on top.
The DC is a sick console that was basically a gaming PC for less money in your living room

[tall radish]

That"s what they said about the n64 core 🥳

[frail token]

yeah and it barely fits, and not even at full speed (no disrespect to Robert's miraculous work)

DC is order of magnitude more

no amount of 🥳 will make it happen unfortunately

[night geyser]

So just got into the ice village in knights of rayheart, and there is quite a bit of slowdown, I have the right bios and rom was from archieve, is this a hardware issue or any ideas?

[balmy prawn]

seeing as how the core is still a work in progress and isn't perfect, it's probably just that.
Not to mention that the Saturn suffered from slowdowns in lots of games that weren't optimized the best for the hardware. Nocturne in the Moonlight is an example of that.

I'm also assuming you mean to say Magic Knight Rayearth

[night geyser]

Yes!

[balmy prawn]

there isn't any info about slowdowns in the compatibility tracker. just that it's "Playable" (at least only for the USA release)

[naive whale]

https://youtu.be/B5lbjY2HYvw

happy Saturnday

[void halo]

Still unplayable due to numerous graphical errors once you enter a battle.

[ripe valley]

I've seen that today after doing some more gameplay.

[gloomy hedge]

Did astra superstars always work pretty perfectly?

cuz it does now!

it just has some transparency type issues with how saturn dispalys that stuff all dithered

[warm mica]

@balmy prawn before I got my Reflex adapters, I was exclusively using my Sn30 Pro Plus 2 for everything. I used to own many of the consoles that I now use MiSTer for and it makes a difference to me using a Reflex adapter + original controller for cores that support it. It feels very satisfying to me. Of course for all other cores, I continue to use the SN30 Pro Plus 2.

[serene thunder]

Is it that game that has the very low-rez backgrounds? Like they drew them that way for the port

might be thinking of Waku Waku 7

Rabbit also looks quite pixellated
That's an obscure fighting game right there

Pretty nice artwork

Anyone played this puzzle game by Sunsoft? Gimmick universe?

Popoitto Hebereke

Wish they had made a bizarre platformer instead

[gloomy hedge]

nah the backgrounds aregood

[ancient surge]

Ah yes, back in the day when developers really wanted to get some of that Puyo Puyo success.

Popoitti Hebereke was one of the more blatant examples released during that time.

[weary verge]

I feel like puyo spawned the "versus puzzler" genre

magical drop, pannel de pon etc

[trim nimbus]

Good thing we have all these saturn releases to comfort Robby after that game today.

[ancient surge]

Oh believe me, that explosion of those type of games during the 90's is a rabbit role. A lot of developers wanted to throw in their own ideas into the ring in order to cash in on the popularity of Puyo Puyo.

[hollow glen]

that would be Ufouria on NES/famicom. don’t think that’s related to gimmick

haven’t played that puzzle game or any other games in the series but i looooved ufouria as a kid. way more chill than gimmick !

[serene thunder]

Sunsoft did so much good work on NES

[burnt matrix]

Reflections are upside down in the second stage of Pu Li Ru La

[light magnet]

Oh, that's not normal? Me and my friend were playing it last weekend and were insulting the game for it.

[naive whale]

In that game that could almost be considered normal

[drifting frigate]

@burnt matrix This is what I get off of OG hardware.

And on the core, not only are the reflections for the main character upside down, the reflections for the enemies don't appear at all.

[tall radish]

ah, it’s upside down because it’s right side up

[drifting frigate]

"Don't do what Donny Don't does."

[scenic snow]

I loved this game as a kid

didn't know there were more games in the same universe

[light magnet]

Yeah, Hebereke is a series. Ufouria 2 is actually coming out next month, coincidentally.

[scenic snow]

w00t?

interesting

[light magnet]

https://www.timeextension.com/news/2023/11/sunsofts-ufouria-the-saga-2-will-arrive-on-steam-nintendo-switch-in-march

[scenic snow]

wishlisted

[ancient surge]

Maybe there is a missing feature in the core that is causing this specific problem of reflected sprites not being mirrored correctly, because Asuka 120% Limited Burning Fest has a similar problem.

[naive whale]

I don’t think I’ve ever played the Saturn version now that I think about it. Just FM towns and arcade

[winter phoenix]

It was localized for PAL countries, too

Its predecessor on NES came out in PAL too but its name was changed from Hebereke to Ufouria: The Saga when it released there in 1992

[light magnet]

Sugoi! Hebereke for SNES is a fun party fighting game too. Almost like a predecessor to Power Stone.

[dense hill]

is there a changelog for the core? I hear there's been 2 updates this week, would love to read what's up

[mortal mist]

Github

[dense hill]

thanks a lot, I looked in the repo but couldn't see any releases or anything on the activity feed and thought it would be too technical to just read commits

I appreciate you

videogame esoterica in his latest video said they added saving to the core but.. is that just an old description? I thought it had saving for a longtime

[stiff patrol]

He never updates his video descriptions

he just cuts and pastes from his last video

his latest video still refers to a october 4th update

[umbral radish]

I might have just found another issue that I can't see as having been reported on github - as I'm not registered on github would someone be able to test this game to confirm this issue & report it on there?

Game - Pro Pinball (USA) (redump converted to chd) - Bios = Hi Saturn region free 1.02 - SDram = v3.0 -----Issue - no sound at all but game is playing.

(might help with the Afterburner sound issue later down the line)

[hearty carbon]

You should register with Github. Infinitely useful website.

[umbral radish]

yeah, maybe I should! I just want to see if it's just my setup before I start registering and posting issues there.

[hearty carbon]

For sure, there's just a ton of things I've used it for over the years. Definitely don't regret having an account.

[naive whale]

Yeah I need to straighten that out. I copied the wrong description and forgot to chop a part out. The info is always above the patreon link but below that I use stock info and grabbed the wrong bit

[naive whale]

Copy and pasted the wrong info. So many videos on new cores, info gets a bit much. I have it fixed for next Saturn test

[dense hill]

no worries, it's unsurprising, you put out so many videos it's bound to happen

thankyou vge! ❤️

[naive whale]

It’s on my list of things this week. Since Saturn hadn’t changed since October really it needs a clean up 🙂

[light magnet]

We're going to get some awesome compatibility updates now 😄

[quick sorrel]

It’s gonna be awesome. I still can’t believe this is really happening.

[edgy hollow]

oo can't wait for the next video since I haven't been catching up with this core

btw, can you still see dislikes? They're disabled right and only hacks allow it.

[balmy prawn]

there's no hacks that I'm aware of.
There was this one browser addon that shows dislikes, but the numbers aren't accurate and only generated from the addon's database which relies on users who have the addon installed.

Creators can see dislikes on their own videos still, just not the public.

[naive whale]

Yes I can see them, nobody else can

[full shore]

Is update_all still pulling the latest Saturn Core? Mine still shows 23.10.18

[naive whale]

Last Saturn vid

[naive whale]

Manual install still

[full shore]

Thanks, does anyone have the link? Can't see it in test_builds

[warped cliff]

Oh this should be good

new unstable nightlies

[naive whale]

Ooh fun

Seems like a smaller bug fix update but great to see

[sacred goblet]

How to get it?

[stiff patrol]

#unstable-nightlies message

[mortal mist]

Nice to see new update ❤️

[ancient surge]

Shit another update??

[naive whale]

I’ll test it later with the games mentioned for capture. Seems like it’s a small bug fix per notes but who knows what else can be found

[ancient surge]

Still going to vet some games to see what the deal is, since a fix is still a fix.

[naive whale]

Lmk if you find anything outside of the commit notes. I’ll capture stuff around 1ish

[ancient surge]

No noticing anything different so far, but I did notice that this specific background in Twinkle Star Sprites is broken. I don't think it's related to the recent update though.

[naive whale]

Bottom half looks flipped 180 degrees. Similar to what @burnt matrix saw in PuLiRuLa with inverted shadows

Seems like something causes some elements to flip

[ancient surge]

There is definitely a trend with mirrored sprites not working correctly, which probably means there's a feature missing on the core to fix that.

[pearl harbor]

Bless the browser extension that allows us to see the dislikes!

I did my part on the "like" front.

[naive whale]

Pretty accurate on the like side. But math wise super off on dislike

[pearl harbor]

Robby on the other hand continues his assault on the other front!

I'm sure that every dislike is Robby using an alt account.

[naive whale]

Hahaha 🤣

I dunno who dislikes these 🤷🏻‍♂️ but who know

[viscid escarp]

it's miyamoto

[naive whale]

I think 100% like is impossible

[stiff patrol]

every one of mine is 100 %

every one is also private

and liked by my alt account

[paper tiger]

i click dislike on videos I like and like on videos I dislike!

since I'm a rebel

[mortal mist]

I dislike everything 😉

https://tenor.com/view/dislike-keyboard-press-button-dislike-button-gif-4970133

[tired notch]

anyone know if Saturn multidisc playability is being worked on?

[cursive ravine]

There is no written plan from srg320 sorry. he just moved out of a warzone in ukraine so we just have to hope he's doing well and we get updates when we get them

[hardy lodge]

Is it just me or is he really updating a lot since he got out? I'm so happy for him (and the updates) 😄

[hearty marten]

Sure seems it. Hopefully this means he’s doing well where he is

[ripe valley]

I've seen the update from today, but I'm sick as hell at the moment & must stay in bed for the rest of the week.
Updating some issues (at a later time) - if necessary.

I'm really happy that srg320 is out of it and could update the core frequently too.

[wise brook]

or to not flip

the Saturn is prolly displaying the same image twice, 2nd instance upside down.
but the core isn't conveying that instruction

that would be my guess knowing the sort of memory saving tricks devs would employ

[drifting frigate]

Yeah, that's my guess. Saturn uses vertex based manipulation for normal sprites and it seems like anything negative on Y is just coming out positive in some games.

[wise brook]

I can only wonder how many little edge cases or rare functions were used on 1 game that srg has yet to discover

[mint jungle]

that's every game

software is just edge cases

edgy software development

expected use case? more like fairy tail use case

[wise brook]

the twin sh2 has gotta be the hardest, but most important part of the hardware to recreate as perfectly as possible.

they were capable of so much, just one function not recreated just right must have the potential for a lot of knock on effects

[mint jungle]

on a more serious note, i can't think of many games, particularly those late in a consoles life that doesn't use all sorts of weird tricks to achieve whatever they do to achieve. saturn was notorious for bineg weird to dev for in general due to it's graphical quirks so i can only imagine how many messed up things people used to get their games to just work

[lost totem]

update_all doesn't seem to pick it up because there are two different Saturn entries in the db/json file

[drifting frigate]

Update All pulls from /releases/ right? So it's not going to pick it up anyway. Nothing has been dropped in releases since October.

[lost totem]

you're right, I was thinking vampier's script to pull unstables. there's a Saturn_MiSTer and Saturn_MiSTerOld; script only pulls the Old version
https://github.com/MiSTer-unstable-nightlies/Unstable_Folder_MiSTer/blob/main/db_unstable_nightlies_folder.json#L160

[coarse token]

"url": "https://github.com/MiSTer-unstable-nightlies/Saturn_MiSTerOld/releases/download/unstable-builds/Saturn_DualSDRAM_unstable_20231004_09df08.rbf"

[drifting frigate]

Ah, gotcha. And yeah, there's a second Single Ram using the old naming convention, too.

[ancient surge]

Found another problem. The obscure game Cube Battler - Story of Shou is currently unplayable because you can't see the board in matches.

What's stranger is that the other version/sequel Cube Battler - Story of Anna works.

[white yoke]

I tried D game Again with latest unstable mister core and latest unstable saturn core still no multi Disc support 8-(

[inner kayak]

Something something relative rotational coordinates

[naive whale]

“Unrotated kajigger”

[zealous karma]

Why has the update_all script stopped downloading the Saturn core?

[mortal mist]

the latest stable release is from october 2023

[zealous karma]

But didn’t the unstable updates got downloaded as well?

Not even vamps script works with the new unstable releases

[simple hound]

so sorry for the dumb question but update_all didnt download the core - can i get it manually somewhere? (sega saturn)

[zealous karma]

Check unstable channel

[mortal mist]

#unstable-nightlies message

[mortal mist]

you have to ask Vampier

[zealous karma]

His script says I already have the October core.

Manual it is then

[mortal mist]

I have never had an unstable core through update all

[zealous karma]

Well since Saturn isn’t stable at all I figured it was the unstable releases that downloader fetched

[mortal mist]

there is an official beta release, now there are test cores

[lavish wadi]

Does using the correct region free bios allow not having to change the region in the core for each game? Meaning, the bios works for all games, but does the core make you change the region? Is there a magic bios that skips this?

[mortal mist]

yes ,free region bios allows you to run games from different regions without having to change it in the system

but there are exceptions, such as Lemmings 3D PAL, the game will run, but there will be errors, and you still have to set the correct region for this game

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/44

[lavish wadi]

Thank Kuba!!! Appreciate it as always

[edgy hatch]

Uh, I am surprised to see Saturn Bomberman just as playable, isn't completable?

[mortal mist]

I haven't completed it , so yes , it is listed as playable.

I am not able to complete all the games

if anyone has completed Bomberman in the latest core 20240116 without any bugs, I'd be happy to change that position

everything changes dynamically , every 3 days now we get a new test core

for example, the TT Manx game stopped working

[edgy hatch]

Hope to get the time for that challenge soon!

[hardy lodge]

I always assumed my bios is region free since it works when I change the region in the core, but I guess I should look around for a even more free bios then. 😄

[wise brook]

hi-saturn is automatically region free

others need a couple lines of code edited

[mortal mist]

Are you 100% sure about this ? 🙂

[wise brook]

I'm at work, so I can't give it the old triple check but it's easy enough to prove

[mortal mist]

as far as I remember I have the regular hi saturn version and I have to change the region in the menu

[rich violet]

I used to use a hi-saturn bios and I had to select region for different games, now i use a region free north american one

[mortal mist]

yeah

[wise brook]

search for region free saturn bios's and you'll get a zip with all but hi-saturn patched

[mortal mist]

ok i have all versions patched, but hi saturn is not region free without modification

[wise brook]

and no one is hosting that particular file?

[mortal mist]

i used the usual unmodified files, i had no problem finding it, i dont know what anyone puts in their bios. hi Saturn in any case is not multiregion free by design.

anyway , region free is the best solution for now

[burnt matrix]

I am a crazy man so I use MGL and setname to launch games setting the core to the right region

[mortal mist]

it;s cool solution 🙂

[burnt matrix]

I appreciate that, although I’ve fully embraced my mgl madness lol

(I also do sym links in my config files so they all share the same controller inputs and video settings)

[wooden dew]

I was also remarking on this the other day. Is there any way we can fix that json file? @tough star

I'm happy to tweak Vampier's updater script to skip those old entries, but I think it would be nice if the old script continued to function, and it would just require removing those old entries from the unstable-nightlies json.

[wise brook]

#games-and-patches message

a little something @naive whale might like to know

[naive whale]

I saw that. Fun stuff. Dunno if it’s video fun stuff but love that Bomberman is having such a big 2024

[tough star]

sorry work is very demanding lately (finally) so I will look at it later - I guess they changed the naming convention to saturn_unstable ?

[wooden dew]

Yes, for single ram. Unfortunately for double ram, I think only the URL has changed.

[tough star]

should be a quick fix

but only after work after I got my daily things done

[naive whale]

@pearl harbor your mom used to be on top and I’ve been trying to get her in that position again too 🤣

[pastel basalt]

What’s your favorite bomberman game?

I was playing some Saturn bomberman, it definitely rules

[naive whale]

Bomberman Hero and Saturn Bomberman

[kindred peak]

Saturn Bomberman is near and dear to my heart... but my soul belongs to Bomberman 94 on the PC Engine. 🙂

[pearl harbor]

Well the jerk store called, and they're running out of you!

[naive whale]

lol you set it up

[pearl harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/wink-eeehh-smilewink-gif-22549662

[jagged quartz]

Does anyone have any clue what the icon in Soviet Strike is supposed to be? I think it's the emblem that represents the Crimea organization, but what is it PHYSICALLY supposed to be?

[versed solar]

I’ve got dual ram but the latest dual ram core crashes back to restarting the mister. Is a main mister unstable required perhaps?

[pearl harbor]

Unstable main shouldn't be required.

Have you tried the single ram build?

[versed solar]

Well it does, I guess that means something is wrong with my RAM

[ancient field]

anything specific to do when saving?

I played shining in the holyl ark 15 hours

made 4 saves

8:00 8:05 15:00 15:21

went to try again today and only the 8 hour ones are there

T_T

[pearl harbor]

Should work fine as long as you have auto saving turned on and make sure that you open the OSD before you stop playing/turn off your MiSTer.

[ancient field]

I could have sworn I did that

even reset a bunch of times and made sure it was still there

but powered off last night then powered on tonight and gone T_T

[pearl harbor]

Reset doesn't count for testing if saves have actually stuck since you need to reboot the core entirely to test that. Even with auto save turned off, your saves will still be there if you only reset the game.

[ancient field]

so what's the way?

[hardy lodge]

So which saturn bios has the prettiest boot screen?

[tiny flare]

I like the original JP bios screen the best

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTfhaysRVDw