Sega Saturn

[unkempt kelp]

Should be a fun way to play twin stick games in general

Xeno Crisis, Smash Tv, etc.

[gloomy hedge]

Oh hmm not sure on that

I have a couple arcade cabs that are two player that I basically just strongarm into playing those twinsticks

So that's two JLFs

I don't think the Saturn virtual on style twinstick would be great for that but I'd love to try it and see!

Maybe it would be sick, not sure!

[serene thunder]

It's the rotary stick games that are problematic
Smash TV still plays pretty great with SNES layout

[gloomy hedge]

Yeah it's ok but i do love having two JLFs for the Robotron style games. It's just more fun.

To that effect, virtual on ports are great with a modern dual stick pad like a 360 pad or whatever

Let's find out what kind of mistake I just made... Although I'm guessing the core as it stands does not have twinstick controller support 😁

[unkempt kelp]

If I remember correctly the right stick is just digital buttons

[untold lintel]

Saucy

How much did it set you back?

I'd love to have one of those

but probably gonna get a pair of DC twinsticks first

[pearl harbor]

The twinstick controller just remaps existing buttons on a Saturn controller, so yes it supports it. You can even mimick a twinstick controller using something like a PS4 controller by simply remapping the PS4 controller to match how the twinstick controller maps its Saturn buttons.

[gloomy hedge]

An annoying amount. So it was $200 but then another $100 for shipping from a site I've never used before and I have no idea what condition it's in. That's less tho than what it goes for on eBay. The only one I found less than $300 had an awful description... So fingers crossed..

[gloomy hedge]

Awesome 👍🏽💯

[gloomy hedge]

Yeah I figure I can play the 360 ports with this which I already have lying around and I have no DC to PC or MiSter adapters so that wouldn't do me any good.

[gloomy hedge]

Lololol

[pine bobcat]

This is Miyamoto.

[twilit forum]

I've ordered plenty of things from surugaya before

if you're lucky, sometimes they do free shipping on everything from the store

[crimson python]

I was under the impression that the Saturn core required the dual RAM on the digital IO board, so I’m very stoked that I can play it on my analog board.

[paper tiger]

i haven't been paying attention.. is saturn core a part of update_all already? Or not yet

[mortal mist]

Yes it's part of the update all

[paper tiger]

ah nice!!

[mortal mist]

It's still wip (beta)

[paper tiger]

understood.. and np

[gloomy hedge]

Yeah it does not

[paper tiger]

i got a saturn with a MODE so I've always been good on that front. But it's going to be awesome having that option on MiSTer as well

[gloomy hedge]

Geez that's sick

If y'all want some stuff that usually works great on the current core, play some Taito Shmups, Darius Gaiden, Metal Black, Gun Frontier

Oh yeah and Rabbit

Play Rabbit lol

[minor cipher]

darius gaiden is such a banger

[polar geode]

I was playing Metal Black the other day, really cool game. It was originally meant to be a Darius game in development IIRC, and has some gameplay elements used later in G Darius.

[green swift]

Which DC to USB adapter would you use?

[pearl harbor]

I just did a Darius series play through a couple months ago. And G Darius might be my favorite in the series.

[crimson python]

I didn’t have Saturn when it was new when I was a kid, so having the console with action replay plus mister access is righteous.

[serene thunder]

The later sections of Metal Black get so trippy

[burnt matrix]

The Saturn is an awesome console!

[mortal mist]

Yes, it is

[crimson python]

Yup I gripped a good one and got some nice RGB cables for it.

[sudden tusk]

That’s obvious , Saturn doesn’t need your dick riding

[burnt matrix]

maybe it likes it, stop gate keeping

[polar geode]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/698305981909827657/1171152151158980729/image0.gif?ex=655ba36f&is=65492e6f&hm=a03ec448c02bd81f0c7d9ffc89118bf52f651bfadb285101757001674f495369&

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/taco-peace-hippie-hippies-gif-7802089

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/war-were-declared-futurama-we-declared-war-sit-general-gif-17112553

[sudden tusk]

Battbutt!

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/morrigan-puzzle-fighter-scared-street-gif-10460025

[burnt matrix]

[sudden tusk]

Let us all join hands and pray for a new build

[polar geode]

......

[mortal mist]

I do it every day , Segata help!!!!

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/me-too-bro-pc-principal-south-park-s19e8-sponsored-content-gif-20622198

[polar geode]

[mortal mist]

bleehhhhhh

n64 agggrrr

[sudden tusk]

@burnt matrix batts needs some moderation

[polar geode]

[sudden tusk]

Posting obscenities !!

[mortal mist]

ok , psx is cool 🙂

[sudden tusk]

Fine I’ll concede .. psx is pretty cool

But damn it the Saturn will have a it’s place in gaming history!

Even if it’s not at the top

[sudden tusk]

DICK PICS!

This isn’t snap chat

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/banned-smashed-anime-fight-gif-17253997

[mortal mist]

it was a console underestimated by many , but that has changed

[sudden tusk]

@polar geode https://tenor.com/view/lotr-lord-of-the-rings-theoden-king-of-rohan-you-have-no-power-here-gif-4952489

[sudden tusk]

Thanks to leet retro gamers like us

[mortal mist]

In the 90s many of my friends didn't have access to a Saturn, PSX was king 🙂

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/obiwan-strike-star-wars-lightsaber-gif-14341533

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-anakin-skywalker-darth-vader-dont-make-me-destroy-you-gif-12349303

[mortal mist]

Saturn is strong with force

[polar geode]

Saturn good in gaming. Yet Jupiter consistently bad. Whyfor

[mortal mist]

pluto

[burnt matrix]

omg please no gifs

[mortal mist]

gifs ? where ?

[burnt matrix]

Not you sorry

[mortal mist]

Robby, but no gifs here ( jedi mind tricks) 😛

you see nothing, there is nothing here

[burnt matrix]

[polar geode]

Gif policy enforcement: consistently mercurial

[pearl harbor]

It would seem that I missed some...interesting discussion.

[mortal mist]

Back to the topic of Saturn, I am very much looking forward to the improved sound and ...... Shining the Holy Ark 🙂

[plush pelican]

any fun stuff on the latest Saturn? taking a break from the N64 core 😆

oh wait I know, gonna check out Fire Pro Wrestling

[stiff patrol]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_Hydlide

best saturn Game ever

@burnt matrix loves it

[mortal mist]

yes, it;s the best Saturn game

he who considers himself a real gamer should finish the VH at least once a day

[stiff patrol]

Its almost as good as Quest 64

[mortal mist]

yeah 😄

[plush pelican]

the way he adjusts the signal receiver and tunes his eyebrows for the correct range 😆
https://tenor.com/view/donald-trump-yes-cant-hear-you-listening-gif-12028396

are you saying it's better than Final Fight Revenge?

[mortal mist]

definitely

[tough star]

didn't the Saturn support CHD?

[stiff patrol]

yes

[tough star]

I updated and now it's gone

[stiff patrol]

it does

should be there Zakk added it

[plush pelican]

is this one compatible with single ram? or only for dual ram?
#unstable-nightlies message

[mortal mist]

yes

[stiff patrol]

update all gets you the build

for single ram

[plush pelican]

oh wow I didn't notice I had that one

[stiff patrol]

you need the bios files

archive sites have them apparently

[plush pelican]

I have it

just didn't know update_all threw it into the main console folder

[mortal mist]

yes, it;s part of the main now

[stiff patrol]

it went in a couple of weeks ago

[plush pelican]

damn, catching up on Saturn and N64

[mortal mist]

but still beta (WIP)

[stiff patrol]

yes its very ram dependent

v2.9 or v3 gives the best results

v2.5 tend to have sound issues

and any AV ram 4 chip design is right out

[pearl harbor]

I recentlly...aquired ||(was cursed with)||...a copy of it from a certain bacon loving fiend!

[plush pelican]

I think this is the first time i am playing VF2 on the core cause I get caught up with Final Fight Revenge. this is awesome. never played this console before.

[stiff patrol]

Castlevania is on it too

Akuma dracula or near that

Japanese region

[plush pelican]

i beat the two games on PS1

just thinking about symphony of the night gives me a stomach ache lol what a long game. I prefer Chronicles/NES format.

how are the saturn ones?

[stiff patrol]

I like them but I like them all

even the LCD version

[pearl harbor]

I'm more of a classic style Castlevania fan myself. But I also love the metroidvania style ones as well.

[plush pelican]

oh steam-hearts

[plush pelican]

is metroid more or less tedious than sotn?

[pearl harbor]

Metroid is better without question in my opinion.

Total transparency, Metroid is my favorite game series of all time. Nothing tops it in my opinion.

I love SotN, but it's not even my favorite metroidvania style Castlevania game. The second half always felt like an afterthought to me in SotN. Still love the game though, but yeah, it's not my favorite.

[plush pelican]

so I'll probably develop a taste for metroidvania's if I play better thought out game in the subgenre then?

[pearl harbor]

I think so.

Super Metroid specifically is the best game ever made in my opinion. Absolute masterpiece.

[plush pelican]

am I required to know any lore?

[pearl harbor]

Nah, the game gives a recap of the first two games in the intro. Super Metroid is Metroid III.

[plush pelican]

Sold! gonna give it a try next time I'm doing F-Zero Final runs

[fallow surge]

Any tips for getting into Metroid? I’m a sucker for metroidvanias but Metroid never seems to hold my attention.

[mortal mist]

Super Metroid was the best until SotN came along 😛

[clear condor]

Super Metroid rules

[clear condor]

I might try Metroid Zero Mission or Metroid Fusion first, then

[fallow surge]

I skipped it back in the day and haven’t given it a real shot in the now either

[clear condor]

they give you a bit more guidance, which might help propel you forward a bit without totally holding your hand

[fallow surge]

But I’ve played so many metroidvanias and loved even the super cheap knock off team ladybug games on steam lol

Ok I’ll try that

[pearl harbor]

Hey, the Ladybug games are good stuff!

[fallow surge]

I mean lodoss war rips animations from sotn lol

[pearl harbor]

They just revealed their newest game this morning in the Nintendo Indie Direct.

[fallow surge]

But they’re fun as hell and scratch the itch

[clear condor]

Super Metroid rules, but I think it's easy for everyone to forget getting lost in Maridia during their first playthrough

...and their fifth playthrough

[pearl harbor]

The only part I remember getting stuck on in Super Metroid in my first playthrough back in the day was the part in Norfair where you need to use the speed boots to run and jump up that ramp. It just didn't click with me at first.

[plush pelican]

playing Final Fight Revenge; as you do, and just learned Poison does some lip biting attack.

👀

then she wipes her own lips

[plush pelican]

just loaded a CHD out of curiosity and it worked for me

[tough star]

weird

oh well

[kindred peak]

oh! Lots of Saturn talk toda...y...

[burnt matrix]

My game list!

[clear condor]

thank you for this Saturn list, Robby! I'm using words like Robby Saturn List so I can search this later

[polar mountain]

Great list, however needs more Minnesota Fats: Pool Legend

[drifting crown]

Definitely zero first. Maybe play Samus returns on 3ds after but that has horrible difficulty spikes. I’m looking at you mining robot. Leave Fusion and the dread until last.

[burnt matrix]

Is that worth playing?

[polar geode]

No

[frail token]

https://tenor.com/view/nah-jake-gyllenhaal-gif-10833955

[frail token]

Much less IMO

[frail token]

Same

If you want to get into Metroid I'd maybe try them in order, but playing the remakes specifically

Zero Mission, Samus Returns 3DS (if you can, if you can't maybe wait because the gameboy game is kind of rough, there's also AM2R), Super Metroid, Fusion, Dread

You can toss the Prime games in there if that interests you

[hearty carbon]

I got the Crissaegrim immediately when I got to the upside down library the first time I played SOTN and I don't know if I'll ever beat that high. Didn't know what it was or why the game was suddenly so broken.

[frail token]

I haven't gotten it yet in my limited playthroughs

I just don't dig SOTN nearly like Metroid

[hearty carbon]

Never got it since, honestly. In any version 😄

[frail token]

I will say that the Redux hack for Super Metroid really streamlines things and helps with the feel. Long time purists may balk but I like the updated map and gravity

[fallow surge]

It’s like a 1 percent drop from those ghost head looking things in inverted castle. Not that bad. I find the sword that you throw and it returns like a boomerang more fun to play with.

[hearty carbon]

I don't think 'drop rates' was even in my vocabulary back when that game was new.

[still maple]

I thought it was a replay only item tho, from Shmoo. Like ring of varda.

[hearty carbon]

It's in the upside down castle but I definitely got it on my first run through the game.

[fallow surge]

Shmoo or something yeah lol

My first play through I didn’t farm it and it just dropped, however at that time I was already op and about to close out the game and kill drac

Second play through was with my gf so I could help@her make the game easier

[hearty carbon]

In my head I got it earlier, but it's later in the game than I thought.

[fallow surge]

And I farmed it. In terms of video game farms its not bad

[still maple]

Hmmm. I also feel i got it on p1 but never managed since.

The farm loop is like under 3 seconds. I got it under 10 min last week before the saturn core ate 5 hours of save. Luck code of course tho.

So if you don't manually SAVE BACKUP RAM even with autosave on, your game is toast?

That seems to be the key as Castlevania doesn't save at all otherwise

[burnt matrix]

I think all you need to do is turn autosave on and just bring up the MiSTer menu before you quit the game

[still maple]

That is def not working : / What is CARTRIDGE. Have i been saving to internal which evidently does not autosave?

I am triggering the save as well. Familiar with that yes.

[burnt matrix]

Ah damn, sorry to hear. I’m unfamiliar with how that game handles saving beyond the basics.

[cunning citrus]

Open the menu to autosave after using the in game save. Sega Saturn have a backup ram cartridge accessory, most games only shows the cart option when a backup cartridge is inserted, but not Castlevania. There is no backup cartridge support yet.

[still maple]

Yeah i don't get it. It worked previously, but maybe i manually used save ram then too. The other times i did not and it did not save. And, it's repeatable; if i don't additionally save backup ram it doesn't in fact save. Not sure if that's expected/ user error or a bug. Had autosave on and always invoke menu of course. Hmm

Beware out there. Thanks again.

[next bronze]

Gus from Psych owns one of those and keeps asking people if they remember it.

[pearl harbor]

I've never manually saved backup ram ever, and never experienced an issue with the Saturn core saving. That includes Castlevania SotN. No clue why that's happening on your end though.

[plush pelican]

Aqualife

what am I gonna be in for?

what are your experiences with this?

[serene thunder]

wink wink

This?

[plush pelican]

my bad yeah that

[serene thunder]

Fish tank sim

[plush pelican]

THAT'S IT!?

🤔 might make a great excuse to run some hours on my CRT

[serene thunder]

If you can read Japanese, this advert might give info

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-no-gif-21780817

[plush pelican]

i noticed saturn games load with "missing cd bios". does that mean i have to place the correct bios next to each game?

[mortal mist]

you probably have boot.bin 🙂

rename it to boot.rom , bios will automatically load on startup

then there will be no message about "missing cd bios"

For a period of time we used boot.bin because there was a problem with loading the bios via boot.rom (the process ended up hanging the MiSTer) This has been corrected and boot.rom works ok.

[plush pelican]

thank you 😃

[plush pelican]

what a surreal game

[mortal mist]

saturn prototypes 🙂

[polar mountain]

I was joking around, however, it's got some great fmv stuff going on that is worth seeing.

[wanton minnow]

I'm glad they went with the case they did, the other looks like a big Discman. I also wish the original Genesis/MD had been symmetrical like Genesis/MD 2

[kindred peak]

I am in LOVE with the left one. Peak early 90s electronics design. ❤️

[sick python]

Left one looks like a VERY night end diskman (and that's not a bad thing), I love em both.

[wanton minnow]

The CDX, now that definitely looked like a higher-end Discman

[plush pelican]

this is a CRT only game

[plush pelican]

I just remember the reason I posted this. I left the game running all night to see if this simmed, maybe expected it to multiply or die but it's still alive.

[trail river]

Is there some kind of list being kept of games that already work on the work in progress core?

[mortal mist]

I have started to prepare such a list, but I do not know if anyone will be willing to help complete it

There are compatibility issues when it comes to older ram revisions

So the tests only make sense with sdram 2.9/3.0 for now

[vagrant saffron]

Sorry for the repeated question, but is Snac supported yet. If so which version. Many thanks! 😊

[stiff patrol]

#1046941029296779344 message

[pearl harbor]

It does! And it's currently the only way to get analog triggers to work on the core. My 3D controller works great with it.

Just follow the post that Call me Tim. Tim the Enchanter linked to for the build.

[vagrant saffron]

thank you!

[vagrant saffron]

Thank you!

[plush pelican]

how can I check mine without pulling it out?

the Analog I/O board is in the way

[vagrant saffron]

I’ve got a Japanese 3D controller, can’t seem to get it to work. I’ve also got a jpn light gun which picks it up but not work correctly, guessing that’s in progress

[vagrant saffron]

Think the jpn connectors are a bit more loose, fiddling around with it, seemed to sort it

[pearl harbor]

Where did you get your Saturn SNAC adapter from? The one I got from Misteraddons works fine.

[inner token]

you linked a older build, there's a newer one in pins. should work with chd and probably have a few fixes.

[vagrant saffron]

Ultimatemister, it seems a bit loose. After wiggling it, that’s what she said, it works fine. So does my twin sticks. I’m guessing the jpn lightgun side of it is still in the works.

[inner token]

yeah lightgun sensor doesn't work in core yet. alot of the saturn adapters suffer from that problem, just be aware of it and maybe try not plugging it in all the way or backing it out a bit after you do.

[burnt matrix]

[polar geode]

Super Tempo fixed when

Worked well

Then torn away cruelly

[burnt matrix]

But you got Bug, it’s an insect game, you should be fine.

[plush pelican]

Guys, I strongly recommend Aquazone for the Sega Saturn. Specially if you need something to leave idling.

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-your-opinion-mad-throw-trash-gif-15454624

https://64.media.tumblr.com/3d0ef49441e4a3f173ddb2d34a5b07ea/tumblr_oyetraevAf1r6ja9oo1_500.gif

[burnt matrix]

[plush pelican]

posting my waifu Deunan

[polar geode]

^_^

[burnt matrix]

Denuvo? Like the copy protection company?

[plush pelican]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/819150351860498433/1034718805613625374/blinky.gif

[plush pelican]

yeah Denuvan

[pearl harbor]

Well, in MiSTer Discord they say – that MARl0's small heart grew three sizes that day.

[plush pelican]

had a heart enough to power a single ant, can now power a two cats.

https://tenor.com/view/drifting-bulldozer-coming-on-my-way-sliding-into-dms-hello-there-gif-13568079

[pearl harbor]

That is an impressive drift. The driver must have been playing Daytona before that.

[plush pelican]

and some ridge racer on the side

[burnt matrix]

Oh Daytona, that’s the lady?

[serene thunder]

Are we moving to embedded video reactions now

[serene thunder]

Teach me how

[polar geode]

I am pretty sure no one would want to bother doing this but me

[serene thunder]

I am the small turtle

[burnt matrix]

[serene thunder]

What

[burnt matrix]

I am the cat turtle

[serene thunder]

Ni... tro?

https://tenor.com/view/nitro-fast-furious-tokyo-drift-gif-25307961

I love how he enters hyperspace

[kindred peak]

Not pictured: it's a 97 Civic with a primer grey hood.

[serene thunder]

I miss my 97 Accord every day

[sick python]

with spoon engines. And on top of that he just came into Harry's and he ordered 3 T66 turbos, with NOS, and a Motec system exhaust

[serene thunder]

I bet you have all that stuff

[plush pelican]

I just learned that the Wangan games are on Saturn

previously, I was only aware of the modern Wangan Midnight Maximum Tune games

[serene thunder]

So you're liking Aquazone?

I only skimmed it

[plush pelican]

I really like it

[subtle tusk]

The best thing to leave idling is the spaceship that flies around in the CD player.

Aquazone is a close second.

[hearty carbon]

The ship was cool. But that visualizer PS had was pretty awesome

[naive whale]

https://youtu.be/CcB-9h6R3fM

its Saturnday

[quick sorrel]

Always nice to see Darkstalkers

[urban lagoon]

heya guys first time using saturn on mister

what format do the games need to be in

ive ripped my owned games and have bin/cue files

[upper dust]

bin/cue or chd to save space

[still maple]

Yes. Or chd. In individual folders. I would add that I've had a lot of trouble saving with Saturn. Make sure it's working for you before playing too much and losing hours.

[urban lagoon]

so chd ok by itseld and I need to folderize the bin/cues

got it

and yeah ive had issues saving on n64 with an actual mem card so I get how hard it is to lose hours of play 😦

ut im greatful these cores are working!

🙂

[stiff patrol]

folderise everything be it chd or bin/cue

one game per directory

[urban lagoon]

👍

[plush pelican]

I don't know what it is, but I can't stop thinking about the red tank from Aquazone. Everytime I load up a game on the core, I immediately want to just go back to Aquazone and let the fishes swim.

It's like having an aquarium with immortal fish in them.

Darius triggers this even worse.

[pearl harbor]

The best day of the week.

[naive whale]

I’ve been two weeks since I talked saturn and somehow that feels like months

[crystal bison]

Best shootemup on Saturn? It's obviously Cotton?

[mortal mist]

Thunder Force V

and Radiant Silvergun

[burnt matrix]

Saturn doesn’t have a good selection of shmups

[mortal mist]

yeah it's true

[urban lagoon]

saturn not ready for SNAC?

im trying to get a snac adapter and saturn controller working on it

[mortal mist]

#1046941029296779344 message

[urban lagoon]

thanks Kuba

is there a way to keep this distro upgraded?

[stiff patrol]

no its a special build

[mortal mist]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLxn54HylLg&t=855s

best shmup on saturn

[burnt matrix]

Saturn has a GREAT selection of shmups!

[mortal mist]

[urban lagoon]

ok so I have the SNAC working in Saturn but the keys are all mismapped? Im using a saturn gamepad and left shoulder button is start , some of the directions dont work, tried to map in no dice?

what am i doing wrong?

[wise brook]

1 is it retro-bit.
2 does it require a level shifter?

[urban lagoon]

no its a genuine saturn game pad

im using a snac adapter

[wise brook]

do you require one of these

[urban lagoon]

i dont for any other core

[stiff patrol]

you should

unless the adaptor has level shifters installed in it

without it you risk damage to the DE10 and /or the controller

[wise brook]

even my SFC controllers go thru a level shifter despite it appearing to just work with 3.3v set on the io

[stiff patrol]

5v into 3.3 v is bad

[wise brook]

5v rail turned off

[stiff patrol]

yes I am just saying

thats what the shifter is for to deal with the different voltages

[wise brook]

it's ok, lot of dumbdumbs round here. you never know

[burnt matrix]

#1046941029296779344 message !!!!

[polar geode]

PC Engine says hi

[warped cliff]

Anyone else use an N64 controller to play on the Saturn core?

[mortal mist]

Never! I hate n64 controller

[inner token]

probably using a blissbox saturn cable

[warped cliff]

I didn't like it when I was a kid, but with adult hands its not as bad as I remember it.

[mortal mist]

I'm glad I don't have to use it and there are alternatives 🙂

[warped cliff]

Yeah true. I just find it neat that I can play just about every core on that controller. with the exception of PSX. like with SMS/NES you can use C left/right as A/B in a horizontal layout. or C right/down for A/B in a diagonal layout like on the gameboy systems

[plush pelican]

For Saturn, I've discovered that the SHMUPs it shares on PlayStation sometimes do have certain advantages like less loading screens, but I need to check Thunder Force side by side because Saturn feels like it lags more.

[plush pelican]

I use this one for Saturn. It has a switch that maps L3 & R3 to the L1 & L2 shoulder buttons, and maps L1 & L2 to the R1 & R2 shoulder buttons letting me fully map ABC, XYZ, and L & R. The R1 & R2 face buttons are left alone.

[warped cliff]

Oh that is neat!

[plush pelican]

i use it for N64 as well for games that don't require analog stick for movement (quite enough of them surprisingly)

Oh yeah I wanted to bring up how close to arcade perfect Mortal Kombat 2 and UMK3 are on the Saturn :O

the PS1 version of MKII begins to slow down after a few matches and feels off the whole time.

Haven't tried MK Trilogy on Saturn

[warped cliff]

Saturn UMK3 is basically arcade perfect, except a couple stages have the wrong music

MK Trilogy on all 3 consoles are each like different games, physics and mechanics wise. They really didn't optimize any of them to a standard like UMK3

Hence why a lot of classic MK tournament communities use UMK3 instead of MKT

It would be nice if there were romhackers who could address these issues

[plush pelican]

a romhacker should also update the assets with the arcade assets

ok so decided to load up MK Trilogy on Saturn (how hard can it be to not instinctively load up Aquazone instead?) and it also feels like the menu and character select have some sort of input delay. I know right? worrying about that in the menu? I don't remember the PS1 version having stutter at the end of a match when the announcer says "Finish Him" mid combo though. That's mildly important because I felt like I could drop my combo during the stutter.

[polar geode]

👆

[warped cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/you-should-try-it-satan-south-park-s4e10-do-the-handicapped-go-to-hell-gif-21527561

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-evil-how-about-no-austin-powers-gif-17640212

[warped cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-no-gif-21780817

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-nope-nope-not-me-gif-15085213

[urban lagoon]

im using a blissbox cable with
https://ultimatemister.com/product/ultimate-snac-mini-hdmi/

[glass aurora]

SNAC PSX and Saturn are wired different than Blissbox.

[inner token]

The saturn cable porkchop sells "should" work with that. I noticed that Ricardos not listing the saturn cable there so I can't blame him. Sorry for the inconvenience.

[pearl harbor]

N64 controller is an excellent Saturn controller. Fight me!

[next bronze]

I used the Retro-Bit Tribute 64 V2 wireless with the Saturn core as a 3D pad and it worked great (aside from not being able to use analog buttons)

[burnt matrix]

It has 6 face buttons and two shoulder buttons!

[next bronze]

Raphnet DC adapter works great with MiSTer. It took awhile to figure out the mapping, but I got the DC Twin Sticks working with Virtual On!

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/slap-jjk-nicevagg-anime-gif-22368283

[next bronze]

I'm waiting for that to come back in stock and went ahead and ordered the stand alone Saturn SNAC from Ultimate Mister. I did get SNAX with FC, NES, and SNES adapters from Mister Addons.

[inner token]

that's looks like it should work too although I've never tried it.

[pearl harbor]

And an excellent d-pad!

[wise brook]

correction
the finest d-pad

unless you're into SNK's peculiar little beauty

[hearty carbon]

I wish 6 face buttons had become the norm

Every time I play SF on consoles with a pad I think about what could have been

I should buy that Saturn pad that has the USB

[untold lintel]

FC Octa

I like it way more than my USB Saturn pad

[hearty carbon]

Do they make one that dumps the touchpad and puts another stick on there?

[warped cliff]

It would be nice if the core supported analog movement. the 3d controller is how I originally played nights into dreams iirc

trying to play that game on MiSTer, the movement is pretty sensitive

[drifting frigate]

It does support it. You have to set your controller in the Saturn menu to 3D pad and it automaps Analog 1 as the 3D thumbstick. That being said, it might need to be clamped for your controller. And analog triggers do not work currently.

SNAC is the way to go right now (since it has analog triggers and all the current features of the mainline core), but reflex does a great job with an og controller as well.

[warped cliff]

Ohh

yeah I have a DS3 and N64 controller with raphnet USB

I might try it out with each

[untold lintel]

What do you need a second analog stick for to play SF on a pad?

[pearl harbor]

I assume he just means that it would have more uses outside of Street Fighter if it had a second analog stick.

[hearty carbon]

I want it all. Six face buttons, two sticks, haptics, and all the good stuff. A pad just for SF is cool but what if it was just THE pad I played everything on?

😃

[untold lintel]

There is no one pad to rule them all. It’s just how it is.

Realistically, the list of games that utilize a second analog on mister period is very slim.

[pearl harbor]

There's always that new Saturn controller with dual analog sticks I suppose:

[serene thunder]

Who makes that one

[mortal mist]

retro bit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X51Patmp41E

[hearty carbon]

beautiful

[serene thunder]

Preorder now!

Get to dah choppah
https://rondoproducts.com/products/sega-saturn®-2-4ghz-wireless-pro-controller?dt_id=539183%3Bap%3A327837

[plush pelican]

I still wanna know if these can be run through the USB port instead of wireless.

[mortal mist]

me love m30 controller , not interested in retro bit

[untold lintel]

im very dubious of the analogs on that controller

[scenic snow]

Don't see the point of putting so microscopic analog sticks on a controller. On a handheld sure, but not a controller. Then better just switch to a proper analog controller

[mortal mist]

I am not convinced by this solution either

[hardy lodge]

I was wondering what those buttons on the bottom were supposed to be. 😅

[hearty carbon]

Is there a better six button dual stick out there?

[wise brook]

God I wish

[trim nimbus]

Problem with retro-bit is they didn’t add the analog triggers so even that can’t fully support the Saturn.

[next bronze]

I hope so, but Retro-bit's wireless Legacy 16 and Tribute 64 controllers didn't.

[plush pelican]

retro-bit keeps dodging this question

they'll gladly say "no plans to make a wired version" but they never answer if the wireless one supports wired mode.

not even a "we'll relay interest in a wired mode to the team" and I'll be at ease that they acknowledge the fact that someone wants some form of wired usage.

[polar geode]

Time to go back to wireless controllers using IR

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/stoneage-apocalypse-godzilla-gif-26563766

[plush pelican]

Has anybody tried Asuka 120% on real hardware? I wanna know if the menu looks like this or if it's an emulator/core issue

🤔

oh so this is intended

how odd

[polar geode]

https://youtu.be/-nijwTAfqls?si=EKGA_mfI7DuUukM9

[hearty carbon]

Shit, I remember seeing TV remotes that had cables running to the TV.

I never knew anyone who had one and I remember being the biological channel changing mechanism as a kid but they existed.

[weary verge]

This was a balance patch released for asuka 120% limited in the late 90s from the bankrupt devs. It was never finished and your only means of playing it was somehow applying a patch to a saturn game back then

[plush pelican]

I'm assuming they managed to implement the important parts for it to be circulating then.

[weary verge]

Yes the game part of it was complete

[plush pelican]

I honestly never got good at this game but I'm trusting this is the definitive version

[minor cipher]

they had instructions for patching as well as swap trick-style shenanigans for playing

oh right, archive links are banned eh

it's footnote 4 here: https://segaretro.org/Asuka_120%25_Limited_Burning_Fest._Limited

[plush pelican]

I wonder who came up with the idea of the swap trick and what impulsed the person to go "fuck it, let's see if the first game stays in the RAM while I trick it to read off the non-game"

I'm sure it had real engineering knowledge behind it and not blind experimentation.

[pearl harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/spank-tomandjerry-tom-puppy-gif-17440974692614857284

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/boop-rascal-does-not-dream-of-bunny-girl-senpai-anime-touch-nose-poke-gif-17682170

[cunning citrus]

I did something like this, was able to run Street Fighter Alpha once, a bunch of people tried messing with it. Got corrupted graphics in some game too.

Also found out that the Saturn System Discs unlocks the drive as soon as they are authenticated, the completed Sega Screen is just for show. Used to unlock the drive using swap trick.

I booted holding A, used a mod to hold the drive switch in closed state, when system disc tries to authenticate, change to original disc, authentication finishes -> drive unlocked until a power cycle.

[plush pelican]

I don't remember what game on PS1 gave me the idea to swap in a disc. I think it was in a manual, but it invited the user to change the music with their own disc.

[cunning citrus]

Vib Ribbon is one of those games.

[plush pelican]

I definitely did not have that in the 90s

[indigo lotus]

Hey dudes, does Shining Force 3 work?

[plush pelican]

lemme try

gonna take a minute, need to obtain

[mortal mist]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/15

[plush pelican]

thanks for saving me the effort

[indigo lotus]

Oh so it does kinda work, it crashed my Mister upon loading it. I was using a CHD file, is that not supported?

[mortal mist]

chd is supported

[pearl harbor]

The only report I've ever made on github!

[glass aurora]

I appreciate your report and hope it gets resolved. I had just started a playthrough the day before you made it.

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/old-man-sad-tears-cry-gif-11832882657777052181

i'm waiting for Shining the Holy Ark

[plush pelican]

Why does Magic Knight Rayearth sound like a shmup?

[tight zinc]

because ||in a certain part, it is||

[polar geode]

Kid Icarus is only a shmup for one stage.

Youd think it would be a shmup the whole way.

But no, thats Ares no Tsubasa/Legendary Wings

So it goes.

[burnt matrix]

Didn’t I complain about Kid Icarus and you taught me something about it?

[polar geode]

I dont remember

Old

[hearty carbon]

There's an English patch for Dragon Force II floating around right? Is that patch pretty solid?

[thorn pagoda]

ridge racer does this i think

[plush pelican]

It would be cool if it could detect the music and display it on the lettering.

[pearl harbor]

I've only tested it a bit, but it seemed solid enough.

[hearty carbon]

Sweet.

[cyan berry]

this happens when using a medical herb too fyi. and it happens in the US release of SFIII, and all of the JP versions (scenario I, II, III)+

[drifting frigate]

Out of context, I totally thought you were talking about a bug that only happened when you were high for a second.

[fallow oracle]

So it's been a bit since I last tried the Saturn core on the MiSTer. I just got a second SDRAM installed and need to do some housekeeping (core updates); IIRC I need to grab a different version of the Saturn core?

[plush pelican]

this happens when using a medical herb too fyi. and it happens in the US release of SFIII
and I was about to ask when do medical herbs show up in street fighter iii

[celest iris]

medical herb.

[silk mauve]

Hadoobie!

[amber lichen]

So will the v2.5 and v3.0 work together on the Saturn core or will it be unstable and crash? My v2.5 has all kinds of crashing on Saturn core

A lot of games work for me now in v3.0 ram

[pearl harbor]

I'm not even sure there are any benefits at this point to using the dual ram version of the core. Last I heard, it was actually more unstable than the single ram version.

[alpine pagoda]

As long as you put the 3.0 in the first slot, I think people have used 2.5 in the second slot without any issues.

[burnt matrix]

Yeah no benefits. Dual ram isn’t needed for MiSTer.

[glass aurora]

Triples is best. Triples makes it safe.

[drifting frigate]

"Tell her. Tell her I have triples of DDR. And doubles of LAUs. "

[pearl harbor]

Was playing more Sega Rally just now, and I finally managed to get 1st place! Huzzah! 🎉

[paper lava]

I got ingame in Grandia

Where is the crash meant to be?

I had some geometry corruption but not much

[mortal mist]

Grandia should work ok , has anyone reported that it crashes?

[paper lava]

Compat spreadsheet says it crashes on the main menu

[mortal mist]

This list is outdated, no one has verified it for months

There is no point in suggesting it

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BpCRjALSAAe4lQGfaJgoiDZu6aLFrVOLdSEJqN4EgIg/edit?usp=drivesdk

[paper lava]

Solar Eclipse is playable

Actually, if I request edit access, can I start updating that sheet?

[mortal mist]

Sure

I made this list more for fun, I also completed the entries based on github

[paper lava]

I was looking at the vampier.net/Saturn one

[mortal mist]

Tan compatibility list is out of date

I don't remember who assigns access there

[paper lava]

3D lemmings is broken

[mortal mist]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues?page=2&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen

[mortal mist]

Report it on github

[paper lava]

e.g log it as an issue?

cool will do

[paper lava]

ah 3d lemmings loads 🙂

bad image before

This saturn core is amazing

[burnt matrix]

Yeah? Think I should remove it from the pins?

[drowsy hull]

what do you think?

[paper lava]

ingame is flawless

[burnt matrix]

I think I should remove it based on that info but I also wanted to pose the question in-case anyone felt different.

[mortal mist]

Yeah , since it is very out of date, it can be misleading

I posted my list above, based on the one from the N64,. maybe someone will want to add to it and improve it

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BpCRjALSAAe4lQGfaJgoiDZu6aLFrVOLdSEJqN4EgIg/edit?usp=drivesdk

[drifting frigate]

You were doing awesome work, but these days even if you spent 5 hours a day on it, because the core reacts so differently for so many different setups, you'd still be getting people who it wasn't accurate for constantly. I still think it was awesome and am grateful for it, but yeah, it's an impossible task to make accurate anyway in a populist way right now.

Still, amazing and thank you for doing it! I know I appreciated it a ton!

[pearl harbor]

That is super outdated. Grandia has worked for a long time.

[rich violet]

I've been playing a lot of Sega Rally this weekend. It works beautifully in single player. 2 player split screen doesn't work for me though

So I played a lot of time trial 😄

[burnt matrix]

It’s a surprisingly timeless game. So limited in options but the physics and track design is so stellar,

[drifting frigate]

It prompted me to go back to the DC version a little. Also just phenomenal.

[mortal mist]

this game is very addictive 🙂

[hearty carbon]

we played a ton of splitscreen racing on it back on the original hardware

[mortal mist]

yeah , split screen is broken....

To be honest, I had no idea about it

[polar mountain]

There was a secret way to race against the dev teams ghost car in one of the versions.

Bet you didn't know about that guys huh?

I know things

About

Games

Of course the best thing bout sega rally is the "game over, yeah!"

[hearty carbon]

Those arcade units with the motion rigs were so rad.

[polar mountain]

I would love to try one of those.

[hearty carbon]

Last time I saw one was a long time ago down in Gatlinburg, TN

Same place had linked Daytona cabinets too

[polar mountain]

https://youtu.be/09s-c2JVI40?si=T7c-s0TtKa1d_I4y

Game over doesn't have to be sad.

[hearty carbon]

Just have them play that at the funeral.

[full cedar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm3R2ypn1fk

[polar geode]

https://youtu.be/GS0ID722Nl0?si=bZFwbjuV-v_vFEBk

[sharp mauve]

is there a "best bios" i can use for JP saturn?

if i use the hitachi hi-saturn one, do i have to connect the mister to my car's cigarette lighter?

[ancient surge]

As far as we know, the different bios files have no affect on the games themselves. So in that regard there is no wrong answer.

But there are hacked versions of the bios that bypass region locking, which is recommended if you don't want to deal with manually changing the region between games.

[sharp mauve]

ah right, thanks!

[tired notch]

hey guys, question. I am not able to change from CD1 to CD2 in Deep Fear. There is no "open lid" option like on the psx. I moved both .bins under the same foldier now and try load Disc 2, no joy. The worst of it tho is that when I boot Disc 1 again, I can't get to a main menu, it prompts me each time now to take out CD1 and insert CD2. Any advice? Is this even doable at this stage, changing Discs?

[brisk ice]

I think it is not possible yet

[polar mountain]

I have to watch this anime now

It looks cool.

[polar geode]

Its great. Check out riding bean too.

[serene thunder]

Dominion Tank Police also has great mayhem

[polar geode]

Yesh

[serene thunder]

Any anime with vehicles tearing up roads gets my vote

The car action in the LD arcade game Road Blaster is ridiculous

[mortal mist]

Could you please send me the save ?

[fallen terrace]

Anyone know where I could find a battery hatch cover for a black Saturn? I want a spare one to cut a hole in for a toggle switch for the Fenrir switcher because the one it comes with won't fit with the FMV cart in the port.

[thorn pagoda]

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1730599 ?

[fallen terrace]

Thank you kindly.

[drowsy hull]

fenrir has a switcher now?

oh, that kind of switcher

[serene thunder]

Tempo games have such cool artwork

[polar geode]

The good insect game on saturn

torn away with an errant update

https://tenor.com/view/play-violin-violin-shirley-ha-musician-gif-17236623

[serene thunder]

So much tude

[still maple]

So now we're re renaming the bios back to .rom or .bin... perhaps that could cause autosave to fail as it has for me?

I can reliably produce a fail-to-save.

[mortal mist]

the way the bios is loaded has no effect on saving the game state

boot.rom automatically loads the bios

We used boot.bin when there was a problem with boot.rom for a while.

Anyway you could call it what you want , even saturn.bin, kuba.bin it didn't matter. The point was that you had to manually load the bios

at the moment I have 65 saves from different games and every one works well, I have not lost any save.

[kindred peak]

65 saves, 65 burgers, 65 fries, 65 tacos, 65 pies...

[polar geode]

On the wall

[still maple]

For my next trick, I will produce a video of the phenomena. After work.

[ancient surge]

https://vxtwitter.com/SEGA_OFFICIAL/status/1726978783784415743?t=JNSx-yhjwayyIUy6gGHzWw&s=19

Happy anniversary to the SEGA Saturn launch in Japan!

[pearl harbor]

I hereby dub today...Saturnday. Huzzah!

[mortal mist]

me looovveee Saturn ❤️

[hearty marten]

Crossing my fingers for a new core update 😅

[mortal mist]

we all have hope 😄

[cunning citrus]

Nice! Hope srg320 is safe.

[sudden tusk]

N64 got TLB!

We need to do something !

[polar geode]

Let us play games

Of any 32 bit or 64 bit sort

For this is how a good and healthy MiSTer life is lived.

https://tenor.com/view/holy-gif-20136404

[gloomy hedge]

N64 might have TLB but we have Shmups

And fighting games

Good ones I mean..

[trim nimbus]

Yeah, like Fist!

[polar geode]

dat rakuga kids pretty gewd tho...

[wise brook]

https://vxtwitter.com/SEGA_OFFICIAL/status/1727162528940339446?t=g0O9tgv3G4h-hl0yMCimXg&s=19

29 and lookin' fine

[full cedar]

Lots of shmups have TLBs 😏

[sudden tusk]

I just want perfect sounds on all games!!

[vestal yoke]

Sorry to bother you, could you tell me if you have sound at all (clockwork knight) please? thank you very much

[mortal mist]

for me the sound is ok in Clockwork Knight - sdram v2.9

[vestal yoke]

thanks a lot ( and oh no 😦 )

[subtle tusk]

Make sure you have everything turned on in the debug menu.

[open glen]

I also have sound

[gloomy hedge]

Bodied

[vestal yoke]

Are saturn core problems bios-dependant? mine is Sega Saturn BIOS v1.01 (1995)(Sega)(JP)(M6).bin

[mortal mist]

this bios is ok

[vestal yoke]

wow hyperfast answer

[mortal mist]

What version of sdram do you have?

[vestal yoke]

yours

2.9

because I had jotego core problems

[mortal mist]

This core is beta (WIP) may not work the same for everyone

[vestal yoke]

I have to try other rom(s) maybe... I have sound problems in earthworm jim 2

[mortal mist]

bon/cue redump ?

[vestal yoke]

that's what I'm afraid

[mortal mist]

or chd ?

[vestal yoke]

yes

first

bin cue

do not bother

I know a long way awaits me

thanks again

[flat sedge]

Different bioses help some games to sound better.

[crimson vapor]

Is there a way to make the core switch the region automatically?

I have USA and Japan CHD, but I always need to change the region and reset

They are in different folders (USA and Japan) with their respective cd_bios.rom files which is correctly loaded but the region doesn't changes

[polar geode]

Right now the easiest way is to use a region free hacked BIOS file

[crimson vapor]

Ok I'll look for that. Thanks

[mortal mist]

Can you give some examples?

[ember sky]

When I test in the hunt (usa) and Kaitei Daisensou (jap), I have to close the digital controller before entering the game. Is it possible to solve this problem in the core?

[mortal mist]

the same problem also occurs in real hardwre

[ember sky]

I know that if it is a known error, I think there is no need to fully simulate it. Fixing errors and adding functions are also core parts. If you don't turn off the controller and test it dozens of times in a row, he can accidentally enter the game. . .

[mortal mist]

you would have to make a hack for the game , because it is related to a bug in the game not in the hardware

[ember sky]

I understand, thank you for your explanation

[flat sedge]

Sure, deep fear and Daytona as example. I have 5 or six different bioses. Good results with the hisaturn ones.

[mortal mist]

But it is related to any specific configuration ?

sdram etc ?

because these games work the same for me on every bios

[flat sedge]

I play on an mms, with build in ram. Not sure wich version the ram is really based on.

[vestal yoke]

Hello, can somebody please tell me if anyone has finished (or started) Panzer Dragoon Saga ( ＡＺＥＬ -パンツァードラグーンＲＰＧ- )

[mortal mist]

I started playing , but did not play for long

maybe one hour

[vestal yoke]

and if so, are there any errors?

[mortal mist]

I didn't see anything that looked bad , but as I wrote I only played for an hour 🙂

[vestal yoke]

thanks, but I think you have played Panzer Dragoon not the RPG? I have been looking for the messages related

ＡＺＥＬ -パンツァードラグーンＲＰＧ- is maybe the best Saturn game ever

in my opinion*

[mortal mist]

nah i stard playing RPG

[vestal yoke]

ah! ok

[mortal mist]

Panzer Dragoon I completed 2 times

[vestal yoke]

was it hard to find the rom? I'm not asking for anything illegal, just if yes or not

[mortal mist]

easy to find 🙂

[vestal yoke]

thank you again

[mortal mist]

Unfortunately, I don't know how it is with changing discs with this game

For example, it is now impossible to change the cd in Deep Fear

[vestal yoke]

have you put all the bin cue files inside the same folder (if names differs)?

yes you have done it surely

and save the game and then replace the bins and cue in the same folder?

[mortal mist]

yes all four cd's should be in the same folder

unfortunately, I don't know how the cd change looks like in this game

[vestal yoke]

sort of original xbox hot swapping discs hack 20 years ago?

[mortal mist]

we don't have the option to open the lid etc

[vestal yoke]

just load the 2nd disc once you replace the firs disc bins

maybe?

[mortal mist]

we'll see when we get to the end of the first disk 🙂

[vestal yoke]

and then choose the saved game?

yep

[mortal mist]

in Deep Fear game there is a message about changing the disk, you need to insert disk 2 , but there is no option to open and close the lid , so loading disk 2 does not do anything.

maybe someone who has played the game on real hardware can say more (Panzer Dragoon Saga )

@vestal yoke yes , there is save at the end

https://youtu.be/SQ9kjAxxk-A?feature=shared&t=341

[cunning citrus]

Worst case scenario, boot selecting the game folder, hold A to force into cdplayer, then load the other disc, the cdplayer should show start application, hopefully with the same internal ram, allowing to load the game.

[vestal yoke]

I have to search if there is a converter for gamesaves from emulators to Saturn FPGA core...

[mortal mist]

yeah works

after the last save on disk 1 , you need to rename the save file to the name of disk 2 for core to see this save

and works

disc2 🙂

[mortal mist]

this way you can complete the game

[leaden dagger]

wait there's no disk switching function yet?

[thorn pagoda]

you can swap discs but i dont think it attempts to emulate the lid open / swap disc / lid close process

so some games don't notice

[mortal mist]

or easy way , load cd1 , than select disc 2 , reset the game , there will still be a save from the previous disk in memory

[thorn pagoda]

psx had a bunch of games like this - probably worth logging github issue for it

[mortal mist]

yes, opening and closing the lid is needed for sure

[vestal yoke]

Great achievement!!!

wow, that's extremely cool

🤩

[ripe valley]

For Policenauts, when the change disk message appears, load/change the disk with the OSD.
Then select “Reset” on the OSD and you can skip the BIOS animation by pressing a button on your controller.
The second (or third) disk will load automatically.
I don't need to rename anything, just to have all the disks in the same folder.

[mortal mist]

in Panzer Saga when there is a message about changing the disk you have to go to bios , select disk 2 and do a reset and it is ok. But if you restart core , load cd2, the save is not visible because it is assigned to cd1 (name)

[mortal mist]

if anyone would like to try it out , save 3 is the end of disk 1

[analog totem]

has CHD support for Saturn core moved to stable main yet?

[next bronze]

yes, but SNAC hasn't

[vestal yoke]

i'm doing this this weekend

[warm mica]

Is this any good?

[celest iris]

@warm mica nothing bitfunx is good

[drowsy hull]

also I would not call that colour saturn

[wise brook]

"supporting" bitfunx is like donating to the anti-patreon

where you take money out of creators pockets

[stuck dagger]

no update yet?

[mortal mist]

Nope

[gloomy hedge]

Y'all this came in

And it's minty fucking fresh. Shoutouts surugaya

I'm beyond hype

So now the question is, getting this working on the Saturn core - and I don't think my virtual on sound works right now on the current core anyways but here it is

[alpine pagoda]

That looks glorious, congrats!

[gloomy hedge]

Thanks! First I need to test it with my 360 and VOOT

Hopefully that all goes well. It's a very high quality dual stick. I'm kinda blown away.

It's got nice clicky microswitches, probably something like a sanwa JLF innards?

I think CyberSled was announced for Saturn but never had it

Wait a minute... Did the Saturn have ANY namco games?

[serene thunder]

nope

Sony had them on lockdown

[sharp mauve]

is bitfunx bad? i ordered a few things (mostly PSU replacements)

[clear condor]

Sony and Sega were rivals at home, and Namco and Sega were rivals in the arcade

so Sony and Namco teamed up to make money and beat Sega, and basically succeeded at both

[serene thunder]

More Tekkens, more Ridge Racers!

Vee musht crush de SEGEr

[clear condor]

Time Crisis and HotD on the same console would've been pretty great

especially if that console were the PS1

[untold lintel]

beauty

sound definitely worked for me a couple weeks ago when i was messing with my saturn twinstick

[gloomy hedge]

I'll have a look today; unfortunately my mister build seems to be middle of the road on this cores compatibility. Not the worst. Not the best.

[untold lintel]

i was using the 10/10 snac build fwiw

but i worked on non-snac one too

[gloomy hedge]

Dunno if the snac has anything to do with core sound

Does it?

[untold lintel]

shouldn't

[humble solar]

Do I have to do anything special to get my controllers recognized on saturn? I want to get a bunch of people on bomberman, but it only registers two controllers plugged in

[gloomy hedge]

yeah no sound for me unfortunately

just works for a split sec them gonez

actually virtual on doesnt seem to work on my mister

I just get stuck here

This is really fun with one stick tho 😆

Although it's not analog so it's kinda weird to play it in either mode, like return to center and not 😦

[clear condor]

I bet it's great for like, F-Zero

ooh StarFox would be good too - basically just any crusty early 3d stuff with digital controls

[gloomy hedge]

Oh you mean snes starfox?! Thats another interesting experiment!

[gloomy hedge]

You know I never played F zero but you actually switched a another flip in my head which is SW EP1 Racer... Like on dual joystick mode

[clear condor]

That might be a bit rough with digital controls

but try it!

[untold lintel]

Btw there is Cyber Sled on PS1 to try out with the new toy

[hearty carbon]

the sticks aren't analog or the game doesn't support analog?

[untold lintel]

Virtual on twin sticks are not analog

[hearty carbon]

Interesting.

Makes sense for the era but if you had asked me on the street I would have guessed wrong

[untold lintel]

If you played it a little it’d be really apparent too

The game snaps to the 8 directions very distinctly

[hearty carbon]

I haven't played it in...well, since release on Saturn

[clear condor]

The hardware, too. The stick clicks around like a Street Fighter arcade stick, not like a flight sim stick.

[hearty carbon]

Haven't even seen it in arcades very often

[hearty carbon]

Yeah, I would imagine it being a fancy joystick and not a flight stick situation. In my head, it always seemed to have nuanced controls but I haven't touched it in so long.

[gloomy hedge]

these sticks are not analog

[gloomy hedge]

correct!

[gloomy hedge]

oddly enough I played virtual on a TON in the arcade as a kid, along with cybersled, so weirdly I have a lot of memories of these sticks

im not even sure how the psx port of cybersled works actually, I should look that up

[hearty carbon]

The arcade near me had a machine but it seemed to have player 2 side broken about half the time

[gloomy hedge]

who needs that to run through arcade mode 😛

[hearty carbon]

who's your favorite trooper?

[clear condor]

Looks like the d-pad and the face buttons function as stick movement, and the shoulders function as the stick buttons

https://playstation100.wordpress.com/2016/04/17/cybersled-sces-00006/

...that's if you use Mode B, mimicking the dual-sticks; there's also a more pad-friendly mode

I'm not sure if VO on the Saturn has similar options

[gloomy hedge]

Don't remember enough to answer that, I'd need to play it again to get the nostalgia brain running

I mean I was like 8

Or whatever haha

[hearty carbon]

Fair.

[gloomy hedge]

I think one of the green guys who did a lot of missiles and had a big laser

[hearty carbon]

There was a LRM style guy named Belgdor that fits that and was one of my favorites.

[gloomy hedge]

I'm playing VOOT on 360 with the sticks right now and it's such a blast.

[hearty carbon]

I used this one the most

He had weird tonfas in the first game.

Then this one with the high heels 😄

[gloomy hedge]

🤩

[serene thunder]

I still have a couple of these Kaiyodo/Xebec VO toys
This one looks supercool when set up

[hearty carbon]

Do the figures have the little Saturn engine on the back?

[serene thunder]

Yes, IIRC you can open them and remove a tiny disc

[hearty carbon]

lol, that's awesome

I couldn't remember if the Saturn was unique to that version of the game or in the arcades too

[serene thunder]

The paintjobs are super cool-looking irl

[hearty carbon]

Yeah, they look rad.

I was always a stompy mech fan in my heart but I learned to appreciate the more agile stuff over time. Virtual On was probably one of the games that helped me get there.

[gloomy hedge]

Holy shit!

This experiment got me wondering

What if I hook up a thrust master hotas X to my mister?

Will that basically read as a mission stick aka analog stick?

So I could play nightstriker analog? And space harrier?

[peak narwhal]

I'm sorry to be the clueless one but I was looking at a blueretro adapter for my saturn and was thinking i could just use my M30 on mister once the saturn core is in a nice complete state

But is it expected for this core to work on a mister with a fast (146 mhz) 128 ram module and analog output board when its in a release state?

[astral crane]

It does now

[peak narwhal]

ok great i'll look forward to using it then

[subtle tusk]

I loaded up Sonic Jam yesterday because my son was interested in the special features in Sonic World and he started running around in there doing the mini challenges. Then I remembered Sonic World supports analog so I changed the settings to try it. The analog worked, but it was hilariously slow, he probably capped out at half his full speed.

Also despite being analog it seems like you still only move in 8 directions, just at variable speeds.

[pearl harbor]

I've played Sonic Jam with my 3D Saturn controller with SNAC, and it was perfect. Sounds like your analog stick is being read as a d-pad since it's restricting you to 8 directions.

[subtle tusk]

Interesting. I should investigate further.

[sharp mauve]

is the saturn core faster than native hardware? twinbee yahho seems a lot faster than on my saturn

not a bad thing but just wondering. im using a hi saturn bios if that matters

[pearl harbor]

I don't believe so. But it is still a work in progress, so some games may not perform exactly as they did on original hardware yet.

[sharp mauve]

my saturn starts chugging on some parts, while the mister doesnt

it feels a bit like playing one of those no-slowdown patches for snes gradius 3

[patent pivot]

@everyone I need some help with the Dual Ram core. I bought a digital board and have 2 x 128 MB a 2.5 and a 2.9). When I launch the dual sd ram core I only have a black screen and I can’t even open the menu ; the Mister freezes. Is it a pb of my setup or do I need to do a fresh install after changing my setup ?

[wise brook]

[high bramble]

Wow...

[mortal mist]

1. do you have the mister set to dualsdram mode?
2. which version of core are you using?
3. don't use everyone

#1046941029296779344 message latest dualsdram test core

[patent pivot]

1. no I didn’t know about it
2. the latest
3. sorry about that I didn’t know and won’t do it anymore

[mortal mist]

https://misterfpga.co.uk/dual-sdram-mister-fpga/ dualsdram guide

[patent pivot]

Thanks a lot

[mortal mist]

And use 2.9 sdram as a primary

[kindred peak]

Since we're all here now... Hi, everyone! 😄

[ancient surge]

@sharp mauve If you think there is an issue with TwinBee Yahho, you can make a post about the problem on the official GitHub page.

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues

[wise brook]

howdy, happy start to the week

[patent pivot]

@mortal mist I just tested. Now I can launch the core and I was able to launch many games except Radiant which is supposed to work... Maybe I need two 3.0 ram instead of my combo 2.4 / 2.9...

[mortal mist]

Primary sdram is 2.9?

[patent pivot]

Yes

[mortal mist]

I have 2.9 and 1.1 (old 32 sdram) and Radiant works

With single 2.9 works too

Check your bin/cue

[patent pivot]

I have two iso of the game and one doesn’t launch and the other one stops on the bios menu with awful slowdowns

[mortal mist]

Redumps?

[patent pivot]

Maybe… And BTW the isos are on an USB drive

[mortal mist]

Try game on sd card

I use micro sd and ssd disk , works ok

[patent pivot]

👌 thanks

[pearl harbor]

It's like there's a party in my Saturn thread and everyone is invited! 🎉

[hearty marten]

This just had me checking to see if there was a new update 😄

[patent pivot]

Something about the boot.rom bios ? Is it still the same name ?

[mortal mist]

Yes , boot.rom

[patent pivot]

I tried the redump version… Same result

[pearl harbor]

Honestly, I would really just recommend using the single ram build of the core. Pretty sure it's actually more stable at this time than the dual ram build anyway. Just my recommendation though! There's certainly no harm in testing out the dual ram build.

[patent pivot]

Nor the Single or dual version works for me with Radiant Silvergun. I give up tonight and thanks again @mortal mist for your help

[mortal mist]

No difference for me , I checked all the games I own with dualsdram and single, works the same

[hearty carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/ck1-phone-old-school-batman-yes-gif-8071860

[indigo lotus]

Hey dudes, a lot of roms stop at the bios screen for me now, did something change?

The games used to start fine

Magic knight rayearth for example

[mortal mist]

No , there were no changes

There was no change , no new core, everything the same old way 🙂

[indigo lotus]

😃

[drifting crown]

It’s sure been a while since we heard from srg. Anyone had any contact?

[wise brook]

no

https://youtu.be/fbDcyg5dOr0?si=7FlXzVa33cIfr7Dn

progress on the Gundam translation just uploaded to yt

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/的9-gif-27299608

So long without a new core

[polar mountain]

It means something big is coming.

[hearty marten]

Fixed audio (across the board) and no more dark FMVs in Sakura Wars are at the top of my wishlist. 😄

[polar mountain]

I can see it out there on the horizon

Clouds gathering

Lightning arcing

Something big....

[hearty marten]

I’m guessing it wouldn’t have been added to main unless srg320 felt confident he was close to the end

[pearl harbor]

Is it time for me to make another one of my bold predictions for the next core build release date!?

[mortal mist]

Do it!

[pearl harbor]

I declare! That the next build will arrive on December 11th!

https://tenor.com/view/kuiil-have-spoken-mandalorian-star-wars-gif-15566834

[mortal mist]

It's an eternity 🥺

[pearl harbor]

That is true. But the spirits who communicate the future to me never lie! ||This claim may or may not have been fabricated.||

[cunning citrus]

I call it next Friday.

[naive whale]

I hope we see one soon. To know Srg is good at the minimum and to test more Saturn

[pearl harbor]

Every day is Saturnday in our hearts. 🥹

[drifting frigate]

I'm asking Srgnta for vdp timing fixes.

[ancient surge]

I think he's trying to clear out everything in one go, based on the multiple problems reported.

[stiff patrol]

I think he is in a war zone and so probbaly has more important things to think about than a FPGA core

[mortal mist]

I hope he is not there anymore

[pearl harbor]

Yeah, that's partly why we want to hear from him! Knowing he is okay is more important than any core update. But the core updates are also a sign that he is okay.

[kindred peak]

I don't know where Srg is in Ukraine, but some co-workers I have there were without power for a few days due to an ice storm.

[stiff patrol]

hes in the Russian Occupied NE

[kindred peak]

Ah, so this is further away.

[stiff patrol]

but while the core can distract him. A Warzone is far from ideal to develop or even want to develop

Anyway Politics and Wars are off topic in here

[mortal mist]

I hope he has managed to move to another location, the last time he posted on patreon was 31 October, let's hope he is ok

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/transformers-g1-decepticon-war-never-changes-gif-14180063

[pearl harbor]

Mentioned this in the controllers thread, but my Retro-Bit Saturn wireless pro controller arrived today. It's...not great so far.

[winter phoenix]

oh? it's not?

[pearl harbor]

Button mapping is funky. And the d-pad doesn't feel as good as a real Saturn controller.

I've figured out the button mapping stuff, but there's no solving the d-pad not feeling great. Left and down on the d-pad feel like they don't press in far enough. Whereas up and right feel pretty good.

It also doesn't support a wired connection mode.

[rich violet]

I'm very happy with my M30s

[pearl harbor]

Not a big deal for me personally, since I'd rather use it wirelessly anyway, but I can see a lot of people not being happy with that.

[pearl harbor]

The M30's d-pad is way better.

[hearty marten]

It really is a great controller. If only there was a 2.4 GHz SNES controller that was as good 😩

[sick python]

Everyone I know would want their eulogy read by someone like Morgan Freeman or David Attenborough (Sir), but for me it'd be Victor Caroli

[polar geode]

Mae West is dead, so Im out of luck

[median elm]

hi guys
I was testing the sonic 3d blaster, the game ran fine, but the game was not saving.
some one else with the same problem?

[cunning citrus]

Sonic 3D Blast on Saturn don't use the internal ram.

[median elm]

tks

[drifting frigate]

There were two typos in the register masks in vdp2_pkg.sv - I don't think it's going to fix anything...they were in masks for vram size (but just version, 8000 vs 800F, and I don't think version is used by anything) and Line Color Screen Enable. This one was set to 0x3FF instead of 0x3F. Since it wasn't overmasking I'm guessing it's probably not going to fix anything. But I built a single ram build with the two masks updated to doumented spec. Nothing seems to be fixed or broken in my limited testing though.

I will keep testing a bit and make sure nothing is worse and throw it on the stack on Github, but if you happen to find out it blows up Cleveland or something, let me know.

[drifting frigate]

Srg took the change, so he's safe! Which is awesome every time I see it

[mortal mist]

yeah, srg320 merged your fix

🎉

[drifting frigate]

Temper your expectations, folks. It really was a do-nothing fix I'm pretty sure....

[quick sorrel]

So then this is the most current now (rather than the one in the unstable-nightlies area)?

[drifting frigate]

No, that's the newest cli build. Always use those over what someone posts in the chat if you can. I didn't submit the version flag because that looked intentional, so it's basically the same as what I posted, but built through official github toolchains.

Unstable is the way to go, despite what my guidance counselor said.

[quick sorrel]

(I think I get what you mean) but stick to the unstable-nightlies build basically, yeah?

[drifting frigate]

Yeah, unless you're actively testing a fix, I would.

I just wanted a few eyes before I submitted. And the pipeline builds are quick so it's never a long wait.

[wise brook]

soo happy for an SRG check-in

and thanks to you Andy for your code work

[quick sorrel]

Thanks. I really don't understand the coding side of all this but it good to hear SRG is okay.

[fresh gale]

Cheers Andy. Just knowing Srg is safe as a result is more than good enough

[winter phoenix]

don't blow me up, please! 😬

[sudden tusk]

Awwww man anybody done any testing yet ?

[thorny lion]

I was just about to say "NEW BUILD?!" but then I read the changes. Still exciting to see srg is doin okay!

Never know though, maybe this was the biggest change in performance the core has ever SEEN!

[gloomy hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/gg-gif-27092095

[pearl harbor]

Andy D is to blame!

[drifting frigate]

It was my only goal

[mortal mist]

yes , it was predictable

[polar geode]

Your efforts are appreciated

[sudden tusk]

Finally sat down and unlocked the entire roster !

[sudden tusk]

Game plays pretty well except for a couple of stages with cages

Or a lot going on in the background ..

[hearty carbon]

I loved that game at the time.

I don't much recall how it handled the characters without armor fighting the ones with armor though.

Fighting Vipers had some interesting ideas that had to mesh into that somehow.

[winter phoenix]

They just chose a couple attacks in each VF character’s move list to be their armor-smashing attacks.

[sudden tusk]

Picky is the man!

[hearty carbon]

Game developers know what's up, I guess. I'd have been trying to figure out how to shatter the outfits of VF characters

[sudden tusk]

Those stay on lol

[sudden tusk]

Quit dick riding !

Off of Andy’s nuts please lol

[polar geode]

Could we please not

[polar mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/fridays-fridays-tgif-gif-7165362092646113369

Gonna play me some sega sat when I gets home yaaaaaaaaay

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/pp-gif-23374344

Sega for life

[gloomy hedge]

where the hells robby

all these gifs

sherriff is on vacation

[mortal mist]

He doesn't like us anymore 😔

And more seriously, @burnt matrix I hope everything is ok !♥️

[gloomy hedge]

this up arrow

[winter phoenix]

Robby’s fine. He might love the Dreamcast more now, though, because he just got one of those ornaments for his Christmas tree

Gonna need to reconfess his Saturn allegiance

[hearty carbon]

I feel like a fake Saturn fan twice over. I eventually bought a PSX back in the day and on the MiSTer I've been digging around in PSX rpg's I missed originally. 😦

I think I bought a PSX for Metal Gear and Bushido Blade

But I couldn't let go of my Saturn for a long time 😄

[serene thunder]

Import Saturn gaming was great back then
Now we have arcade cores for many of the killer Saturn ports

[hearty carbon]

I remember ordering the mail-in voucher version of VF1 with VF2 textures. Best version of VF1 there was.

in my head, at least.

[untold spear]

im a psx/n64 guy through and through. saturn i never played once growing up. even playing now, while i did find a lot of titles i liked, most i found kinda meh. astal is one i just don't get the love for. panzer dragoon games i can get. magic knight is one i want to play through. preferred the saturn baroque. night and daytona are pretty good for a short play of fun.

[serene thunder]

Radiant Silvergun

[hearty carbon]

Dragon Force is an all-timer for me

[untold spear]

those are the ones ive tried. dragon force is one i want to give a go eventually

[serene thunder]

I never really connected with Taromaru, but it has moments

[hearty carbon]

Guardian Heroes maybe doesn't hold up in 2023 but holy shit did we play a fuck ton of it when it was new

[serene thunder]

One day, I'll give Silhouette Mirage some time

[untold spear]

GH.. i really tried

[hearty carbon]

We played through all the endings and put a fair bit of time into the versus arena mode

[untold spear]

megaman 8 was different enough to replay... but also a few stages make me dread playing it on either system

[hearty carbon]

Yeah, that's the rough part. A lot of games came out for both and sadly many of them were better on PSX

[untold spear]

i still have nightmares where i wake up screaming JUMP or SLIDE

[hearty carbon]

like Bob said though, the MiSTer has some great cores of what were amazing Saturn versions in its day

[serene thunder]

Neo Geo and CPS

[hearty carbon]

No need to mess with the Saturn port if you have the actual arcade core available

[untold spear]

"JUMP JUMP SLIDE SLIDE DIE DIE DIE" rocking back and forth

[serene thunder]

Saturn ports still have extras, CD music, etc

[hearty carbon]

That's true

[serene thunder]

Like Alpha 3 is great

[hearty carbon]

First time I played Command and Conquer was the Saturn version

😄

[pearl harbor]

"rocking" back and forth. I see what you did there!

[light magnet]

Got a question, guys. Is it theoretically possible for this core to eventually support the Netlink via the DE-10 Nano's Ethernet port? I'm not sure that's possible, since the Netlink is technically a dialup modem, but it would be so cool to have some kind of online multiplayer functionality on this.

[gloomy hedge]

https://www.segasaturnshiro.com/2021/12/10/bulk-slash-english-fan-translation-twin-sticks-patch-released/ @naive whale did you try bulk slash with the twin stick controls?

or did anyone else?

[naive whale]

I don’t have them sadly

[gloomy hedge]

of all the things you buy.... this didnt make the cut! damn!

all good I'm gonna mess with it soon muahah

virtual on doesnt run on my mister unfortunately

[naive whale]

🤣

[gloomy hedge]

holy shit it just runs

sound works

this runs GREAT!

[night geyser]

Hi, I just got the Saturn pro controller from retrobit and I am having problems mapping button L and Z, I have another friend with the exact same issue was wondering if anyone found a fix or know anything about this

[gloomy hedge]

whats the issue exactly?

does it map in the joystick configuration? but not in the core?

[night geyser]

I can’t map the buttons L and Z on the retrobit pro controller that just released not long ago

[gloomy hedge]

yes you said that before but exactly where are you mapping

did you configure joystick buttons in the main mister menu

@naive whale this game seems to run literally 100% correctly? did you notice any issues with it in mister?