Sega Saturn

[gloomy hedge]

more like 10 minutes or so

I was under the impression the core was too early to list things like that

it would be a long list, it was a very long list last time

but I'll be happy to do some testing and report back on what I have

my audio cuts out immediately in say sega rally for example - or music doesnt work at all in many games

[stiff patrol]

any 4 chip wont work with the core no matter how fast it clocks

its just not compatible with how SRG320 is accessing the memory

[gloomy hedge]

the core works fine for me just some audio issues

[stiff patrol]

yes and you will never clear them with a 4 chip design

[gloomy hedge]

I'm patient, once folks feel the core "should" be working well across the board ( havent seen that yet, but it may be happening now ) then I can report

[stiff patrol]

you cant report though 4 chip is non standard

and probably will never be supported

[gloomy hedge]

I have a standard mister as far as I know

nothing new or weird

[stiff patrol]

how many ram chips are on your Ram module

[gloomy hedge]

that I know

[stiff patrol]

the standard is 2

AV used 4 for reasons best known to himself

[gloomy hedge]

looks like two but this is a hard to tell picture

[stiff patrol]

cant see anything in that shot

[gloomy hedge]

yeah its an old shot

not taking my mister apart rn to look, but will do later today

I'm 90% sure its 2 chips tho

[stiff patrol]

my mistake then I thought you had declared 4

[gloomy hedge]

found another shot

[gloomy hedge]

never said that..

all good

[stiff patrol]

it seems that a 2.9 or 3.0 gives the best compatibility

[gloomy hedge]

I'm thinking the compatibility has to go up but we'll see with time!

[stiff patrol]

my 2.5 clocked in the low 140's at 144

and was not working with sound

[gloomy hedge]

you have the same v as me then

[stiff patrol]

my 2.9 clocks at 150 and has no issues

[gloomy hedge]

nice

fun times

[stiff patrol]

The core is really demanding on Ram

[gloomy hedge]

I aint gonna make any hardware changes until later tho

[stiff patrol]

just a few HZ can make a big difference

[gloomy hedge]

so it would appear

super wild

good shit by srg

[stiff patrol]

well I went dual ram and got a new 2.9 and so have that primary and the 2.5 secondary

SRG has worked a miracle getting it to work at all

the Core was over 94 % of thr FPGA I think

[inner kayak]

how does the Saturn version of Super Tempo compare to the 32X version?

[kindred peak]

Sounds like I might as well grab a 3.0 128. I'm currently running a 2.5 128 and have constant audio cut outs.

[wise brook]

oml

[frail token]

Wait what?

[stiff patrol]

its a big boy core

[frail token]

Saturn core is over 94% of the fpga?

I thought it got unstable after 90%

[stiff patrol]

they do

[frail token]

So how is he going to finish it?

[stiff patrol]

I dont know

[frail token]

damn

[cursive turtle]

Saturn too big

Its a whole planet

And you have that ring too? Forget about it

[frail token]

Ring support when

[burnt matrix]

Where does the over 94% estimate come from?

[stiff patrol]

Someone posted it a while back

[frail token]

That's frightening

[mortal mist]

Logic utilization (in ALMs) 39,509 / 41,910 ( 94 % )

( september core )

[stiff patrol]

there you go

Kuba saves me . I knew I had read that somewhere

[burnt matrix]

Thank you very much.

[frail token]

Damn I hope he can finish it 😦

So what's the... name? CRC? Whatever I need to find the multiregion BIOS

I'm copying over CHDs now

[ancient surge]

I wouldn't be surprised if some of that bloat is from a lack of optimization.

[frail token]

so what BIOS works best

[stiff patrol]

see your PM

[subtle tusk]

Yes I bet the core could shrink 5-10% with optimization and removing debug features.

And it's not so much that cores over 90% are inherently unstable so much as they're harder to build. Once you manage to build a stable core it should be stable for everyone.

[cursive turtle]

Does RAM Cart compatibility take up a lot of space? Id take a core that couldn’t play those games if necessary

[winter phoenix]

They’re completely different games. Super Tempo is a sequel to Tempo.

[burnt matrix]

You don’t get to decide that

[winter phoenix]

I am Tempo King and I have decreed it so

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/的9-gif-27299608

[burnt matrix]

Oh, right. Carry on then.

🫡

[unkempt oar]

Different games right? I haven't played either but it looked similar.

Ah. I see someone already mentioned that.

[trim nimbus]

1.5tb sd cards out now. Guess I can afford to fit a few more games now 😄

[burnt matrix]

SD gang represent

[lusty rapids]

SD aka Super Deformed is another way to refer to fat baby characters

so I guess that tracks for Robby

[sick python]

Honestly I'd like to trim the collection up and just go SD

[burnt matrix]

I hate SD cards now

[hollow glen]

still on SD here.. altho i'd like to get a lil SSD for disc stuff

[burnt matrix]

I have a 512GB disc and I have no idea how you can get more games on there if you curate stuff

[lusty rapids]

SD is even formated with FAT

FAT baby characters confirmed

[burnt matrix]

SEE

SEEEEEEE

[lusty rapids]

follow the money

it's all a conspiracy

[burnt matrix]

follow the money!!

[serene thunder]

Chibi

[burnt matrix]

sounds like a type of infectious disease

[native dagger]

512Chibi FAT SD card

[hollow glen]

it is in a way

[burnt matrix]

Poor malformed robot child

[serene thunder]

Wish I had that

[burnt matrix]

A malformed robot child?

[hollow glen]

i need to play snatcher 😭

[burnt matrix]

Have you seen terminator and blade runner?

[hollow glen]

lol

i have

[burnt matrix]

It’s basically that but worse

I mean better

[serene thunder]

This movie has a robot baby, kind of

[hollow glen]

i played a tiny bit once and remember being inappropiate with a lady desk clerk

like a Lucasarts adventure game but there was options to be annoying wih her lol

i quite enjoyed the music and vibe of the game tho otherwise!!

[lusty rapids]

it's a great game

it and policenauts

[burnt matrix]

yeah “great”

[hollow glen]

loool

whats not great about robby? just boring?

[burnt matrix]

and “game”

[lusty rapids]

robby just trollin

like usual don't listen to him

[hollow glen]

i demand answers!!!

[burnt matrix]

I only troll what I like

[hollow glen]

a complicated nuanced mod

[burnt matrix]

It’s not fun to make fun of stuff you don’t like

[serene thunder]

I want to play Policenauts still

[burnt matrix]

If I don’t like it I just don’t talk about it

[hollow glen]

sega cd is probably the best way to play it on mister right ? santcher?

[burnt matrix]

Yeah because it’s in English

[lusty rapids]

segacd is the only english version of snatcher

[hollow glen]

not too fussed about censorship and stuff

[serene thunder]

I'm such a nerd that I have an MSX2+ with a flash cart and real Snatcher sound cart

[lusty rapids]

you either play the Sega CD or you play in Japanese

[hollow glen]

ooof

[burnt matrix]

it’s weirdo pervy stuff

[lusty rapids]

(or there's SD Snatcher with the Eng patch on MSX, but I feel that's better played after you've played the original)

[burnt matrix]

Snatcher is great but it liberally steals from great films. I wish Kojima was a little more original. I think Policenauts is a great example of that.

[hollow glen]

i need to look at MSX again, last time i looked at it on mister i couldnt wrap my head around it... like tihings would take 2 minutes to load up and unpack and then half of the games wouldnt boot lol

[serene thunder]

MSX Snatcher comes with a cart to provide extra sound
Same with SD Snatcher

[hollow glen]

policenauts also steals? or example of him being more original?

[lusty rapids]

policenauts, aka lethal weapon in space

[hollow glen]

i dont really remember what MGS was ripping off

seemed originalish enough

beyond like, ideas and little things but not on a broader level

[burnt matrix]

More original. It’s straight up Lethal Weapon but everything else feels novel.

[hollow glen]

nice

[lusty rapids]

I don't think 'steals' or 'rip off' are the right words, I think it's more like pays homage

[hollow glen]

ya

but Snatcher u notice it

[burnt matrix]

Nah, Kojima plagiarizes

[hollow glen]

the art is like very much just Blade Runner (The game)

i also just assume it was coz it was an earlier example of kojima doing a movie/story game

like theres also Metal Gear but that ones a bit more straight forward and simplistic

i still need to play those new DS games lol. i played through MG1/MG2/all the MGS games, but completely fell off with MGSV

[lusty rapids]

yeah I never touched MGSV

[burnt matrix]

Yeah, I love the character portraits of the original two MSX games lol

I like MGSV a lot because it was different

[hollow glen]

MGSV has a lot of good things going for it.. like the opening cutscene and first hour or so is great. the gameplay once you get into it is great. but i really struggled with the pacing. the game is a lot more like.. similar style mission, after similar style mission, with very little of the cutscenes sprinkled in to tie it together

its like they really rinsed the open world formula as hard as they could and diluted the experience a bit .. IMO!

[lusty rapids]

also no David Hayter

[hollow glen]

i was willing to put that aside aha

although even then, that does tie into my criticism of the pacing again

cos theres just barely any cutscenes of snake interacting with other characters

i dunno, the pacing is weird

the way it was trying to both do open world sandbox + but still be a "movie" with the fancy cutsecenes

but u only get the fancy cutscenes like every 2-3 hours lol

[burnt matrix]

I didn’t like the story at all of MGSV

[hollow glen]

ya

i mean. i don't know if i really liked them or not, i was kinda indifferent. they seemed fine?

[lusty rapids]

I just want to play mgs4 again tbh

[hollow glen]

i actually never finished it tho

i have no idea how MGSV finishes lol

or what the story was about

[lusty rapids]

but I don't want to have to force my ps3 into service again

[hollow glen]

assumably it'll finally get a re-release soon .. 👀

[lusty rapids]

hopefully, maybe. They're doing that low effort 1/2/3 release

[hollow glen]

2/3 re-releases didn't seem thaat bad

but def low effort

and applying the same low effort to MGS4 .. hard to imagine them not fucking it up somehow

[lusty rapids]

I'll pick it up on sale/used eventually

[hollow glen]

one thing that always bugged me about the PS3 HD "remaster" of MGS2 MGS3 , and you never see people bring this up LOL

it's always a general concensus that the PS3 HD version is better

but those games, the codec calls have like a half second delay when they start

its like snake will crouch.. there'll be a half second delay, then the call starts

[serene thunder]

I still want to play the Metal Gear hack & slash on 360

[hollow glen]

and it's not present in the ps2 versions lol

[lusty rapids]

Metal Gear Rising is on PC now these days

I heard they might have fixed the codec issue on this latest release

[hollow glen]

oh thank god!!!!

that was the one thing i didnt like about the ps3 versions

it drove me mental

[burnt matrix]

I absolutely despise MGS4

[serene thunder]

Is it fun and bonkers?

[hollow glen]

i actually think MGS3 is my least favouirte/ truly a hot take

[lusty rapids]

MGR is super fun and very bonkers

imo

[serene thunder]

nice

[hollow glen]

i struggled with the parry system and never got into it lol

i think i just didnt understand the mechanic or something

it seems good tho, albiet a bit too heavy on the dumb and fun and bonkers

but also it is what it is ?

[lusty rapids]

it's the meme game

it is great

[hollow glen]

ya

overall i like it

[lusty rapids]

I beat it on ps3 when it came out

own on it PC again now too

[hollow glen]

wait no MGSV is my least favourite

lol

but the gameplay in V is soooo good

what a messy series 😅

i cant tell if they were joking/trolling, but i did see some online comments.. about the Metal Gear Solid Delta remake thats coming out, that Konami should follow it up by remaking the MSX games in 3D

i found that hilarious cos that's pretty much exactly what MGS1 is

[burnt matrix]

Revengeance is awesome

[native dagger]

Isn't that MGS2?

[hollow glen]

the Meta Gear Solid collection that came out recently, MGS1 is PAL only with the NTSC version coming soon in a patch lol

[burnt matrix]

Wait what, like if you buy the game in the US it’s PAL?

[hollow glen]

yeah. unless its been patched already lol

[burnt matrix]

Holy hell lmao

[hollow glen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=432&v=3U0rmjGJgoQ&feature=youtu.be

[burnt matrix]

Is the extra content just the DVDs they gave out years ago?

[hollow glen]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2131630

[burnt matrix]

Sorry I’m asking questions I can look up myself

[hollow glen]

i actually don't know the asnwer to that

"For mgs2 and 3 you get whatever was on the previous HD collection."

im inclined to say it's not included?

the skateboarding stuff for example isn't included

so the dvd bonus stuff i'm guessing isn't included

[pearl harbor]

I missed the SD discussion and now I'm sad.

[hollow glen]

we can bring it back, the metal gear talk hasnt gotten a bit off topic LOL

[burnt matrix]

oh sorry, yeah

Thank you @pearl harbor

[pearl harbor]

Anyway, I love how Robby's own profile pic is an SD Robby. He can't hide his true feelings!

[burnt matrix]

I don’t get the art style but I’ll fight for your right to enjoy it

What are other SD games on the Saturn that are cool?

[pearl harbor]

Albert Odyssey would be another good one!

Check out that fat baby goodness!

[burnt matrix]

Holy shit did they get sued?

That’s literal bait and switch. I’d be pissed if I bought the game thinking I’d get this:

And instead got dumpy the blonde frumpy up there

[pearl harbor]

The Lunar games would also qualify as fat baby!

[burnt matrix]

That screams “I’m sure glad I upgraded from the Super Nintendo”

[pearl harbor]

Now that Robby has a nice list of fat baby games on the Saturn to play, that should keep him busy for awhile. Time for !

[serene raven]

i didnt know saturn had so many cool games

[serene thunder]

SEGA did it right

No dwarves

[serene raven]

thats phantasy star?

[pearl harbor]

Saturn is legit my favorite console of the 32/64bit generation.

[serene thunder]

The thing to remember is that Saturn used to be the best way to play a bunch of CPS games from Capcom
Now we have cores for those plus a number of shooters, etc.
Takes a bit of the thunder away from Saturn

[pearl harbor]

Also Sega...

[serene thunder]

Eww wat is that

[pearl harbor]

Your worst nightmare!

Though admittedly not a bad game.

[untold lintel]

Doesn’t even know Billy Hatcher

[serene raven]

my experience with sega is very limited

[pearl harbor]

Then you are in for a world of excellent new games to experience!

[serene raven]

oh i already know that to be a fact

im going down the list of games ive never played and want to eventually ill hit up the saturn core when its closer to being done so i dont let any bug ruin my impressions

but it is a great time to be alive lol

[pearl harbor]

You can always hit up the Genesis core now!

[serene raven]

im currently in the game boy advance so lol soon

[burnt matrix]

GOOD MORNING!!!!

LA LA LA LA LA LALALALA

[lusty rapids]

hello yes, it's almost the afternoon

[burnt matrix]

listen future man where all your doors open automatically and you have pizza chips

we all can’t be as fortunate as you

[serene raven]

lol

[lusty rapids]

sometimes they don't open automatically and I have to press the button

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/871549701818814494.webp?size=64

[burnt matrix]

I know but the buttons are like little panels and they make a cool sound

[serene raven]

you dont get to decide that

did i do it right?

[burnt matrix]

Like even when you’re losing you’re still winning @lusty rapids

[lusty rapids]

pizza chips is also definitely losing

someone please send me american pringles

[serene raven]

you dont want that

pringles gives me the poops

[lusty rapids]

don't buy the "fat free" ones

[burnt matrix]

I mean, depending on shipping costs I’ll be happy to do that

[serene thunder]

UM, I did my egg-related gaming on PSX with Hermie Hopperhead

[serene raven]

didnt even know that was a thing

speaking of not eating fat free things i miss super size in mcdonalds

[serene thunder]

Do Pringles cause seepage

[lusty rapids]

thank you for the offer, but seriously I think I can get them through an importer on amazon jp if I really wanted.

[lusty rapids]

the ones made with olestra do

I don't think they even make those anymore

there's an old copypasta that used to get pasted around about it

[sharp dove]

I'm very torn on Billy Hatcher - I remember it feeling half-broken in game design and controls sometimes

[split gyro]

I played through Saturn Bomberman last night on my B&O MX4002. It was the first time I tried it after closely following the core development. Fantastic job by Srg320!🤝

[burnt matrix]

Ehh it is and so what. It’s dumb and fun.

I agree with you though

[urban lagoon]

guys is there a pllayable saturn core?

[subtle tusk]

For the most part yeah

[urban lagoon]

where can I find it?

[subtle tusk]

Update all should install it

[mortal mist]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/tree/main/releases

[subtle tusk]

Many games still have graphical and audio glitches but most games are playable.

[urban lagoon]

niiiccee

this mister has gone way beyond my expectatations

its reliably replaciing almost all of my old gaming hardware

now for 3DO (possible?), Jaguar etc

[burnt matrix]

I think those two are 100% possible. Just depends on having someone interested enough to make a core for them. Or in the case of Jaguar, continue development of the core.

[noble escarp]

I think jotego will do a jaguar core? We can just sit down and wait until he finishes all other 183827637181 cores that he's working on.

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396

[wise brook]

Tempest 2000 baybeeee

[polar geode]

https://youtu.be/8gBIleEfbeM?si=bot47pnLB76XbWxB&t=31

Unparalleled quality.

[kindred peak]

The Saturn version is a worthy stand-in. Better performance for sure.

[wise brook]

shenanigans continue

[burnt matrix]

How about Tempest X3 for PS1?

[burnt matrix]

Ahahaha that’s amazing!

[kindred peak]

I love it, but definitely different enough from OG T2K that some folks don't like it.

[burnt matrix]

You are the expert though. Should I stick to Saturn?

[kindred peak]

Oh gosh... don't say that. I'm SO far from an expert.

Try them both! The magic of MiSTer makes it possible! 😄

[burnt matrix]

Lmao you’re right! I’ll do that. thank you, sir.

[pine bobcat]

There is also a Tempest 2000 mode hidden inside the PS1 version

[kindred peak]

True! But it has different effects than T2K on other platforms. It's like a hybrid between Tx3 and T2K.
I'm actually going to take this back. It has been a while since I've compared them, and might be misremembering. Leaving to own my shame. 😅

[hardy lodge]

Did anybody try the digimon game on saturn? It's a japan exclusive. Couldn't find a translation for it though.

[lusty rapids]

Much like the virtual pet, the interface consists of buttons for feeding, erasing fecal matter, training, and turning out the lights. An in the virtual pet, there is an in-game clock. The player controls a pointer with the d-pad and controls most aspects of game play with it

seems like it's basically just a virtual pet and not much else

I wonder with RTC not being wired up (I think?) if it would do much

[hardy lodge]

"Just a virtual pet"

[lusty rapids]

yes I mean I remember the original digimon pets and stuff

[hardy lodge]

They are still awesome!

[lusty rapids]

I checked it out, the time is all in game, not RTC so that works fine.

pretty full featured thing

[mortal mist]

I have never been able to understand the phenomenon of Digimon , Pokemons etc.😆

[hardy lodge]

Digimon is more of a tamagotchi thing and not a pokemon thing. It's just fun to raise creatures. But both are far beyond their zenith.

[slow hemlock]

Hi all, has anyone found a good way of forcing a PAL game to output in 60Hz? I want to play the europe exclusive Keio Flying Squadron 2 on my CRT to benefit from English text. The game itself was not 50Hz optimized so in theory should play fine at 60Hz

I could try loading a psuedo saturn cart image and going down that route but if there's a cleaner way through the core that would be simpler

(tried loading a PAL BIOS but that doesn't work, the game loads in CD player mode)

[analog totem]

I’m not well versed in this at all, but possibly using region free bios but setting the region to USA?

[slow hemlock]

Thanks, I’ll give that a try

[unkempt oar]

I thought there was a 60hz patched version. Maybe I'm thinking of a different game?

Ah ok. It wasn't optimized for PAL. I missed that part

[ancient surge]

Still a tad weird how Keio Flying Squadron 2 was not released in North America.

[slow hemlock]

working with region free bios, thanks a lot! Side question - I have my bios named boot.rom in the Saturn games folder but the core doesn't auto-load it (CD BIOS not found error) and I need to manually load it each time. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong here?

[hardy lodge]

Check if it's really boot.rom. It was boot.bin for some time and some still have it named like that.

[slow hemlock]

yep, its boot.rom

[worldly temple]

Is anyone able to bind all of the buttons on the 2.4ghz 8bitdo m30?

C/Z and L/R register as the same for me.

[hardy lodge]

I only have the bt variant. But you could check if it has different input modes. 8bitdo controllers tend to have that.

Mabye in the manual.

[agile crane]

Yep. All fine here.

[wise brook]

sounds like it's connected in the wrong mode. can you check the manual to set it to xinput

[worldly temple]

It’s the Genesis-style adapter

Does that have an Xinput mode?

[wise brook]

?

no you turn on the controller with a specific button combination

also could you show me the adapter

[agile crane]

Hmm. Mine is still a .bin all the way out in the BIOS folder and things are still working great. It’s not even called boot.bin

[cunning citrus]

Only bluetooth model have indenpendent L and R buttons. L\Z R\C are called like that because they can't be changed. At least nothing in the manual is saying otherwise.
Edit, usb mode allows to use them independently.

Try using an usb cable directly.

[naive whale]

https://youtu.be/fGLlipBkHlA?si=XdAjJ_IUTiD8B371

Hope it helps some people!

[wise brook]

update: a fresh MiSTer installation fixed my Saturn clock woes

[naive whale]

Nice

[rugged sun]

Any possibility of getting an "Original/Fullscreen" toggle under Aspect Ratio instead of "4:3/16:9" like the other cores have to give effective support for 240p @120Hz modelines?
Mentioned it awhile back but I think it got buried.

[tiny flare]

That’s a relief, although also an unsatisfying conclusion, still wondering what caused that in the first place

[olive eagle]

by clock woes you mean it asking to enter the time every time you start a game?

[wise brook]

yes

not too bad. I had the same MiSTer install running since 2019 and it was only 20 mins of copying

[olive eagle]

Interesting. I've done a bit of configuration cleanup recently, but didn't try doing a fresh install since I bought my MiSTer. I'll probably give it a try later.

Thanks for the tip.

[burnt matrix]

@naive whale thanks for making those awesome tutorial videos. Do you mind if I add a link to your Saturn one to the pins?

[naive whale]

Of course. Have at it!

[pearl harbor]

I've been playing Sega Rally and Manx TT Super Bike with my 3D controller via SNAC. And it is such a game changer after playing them with a d-pad on the core until now.

[naive whale]

Manx benefits a ton

[pearl harbor]

That's an understatement. It's basically a completely different game with it.

[burnt matrix]

it’s a game

[pearl harbor]

That is true Mr. Christmas Tree.

I'm disappointed that you skipped Turkey Day!

Use 🦃 around your user name you coward!

[burnt matrix]

This you?

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/bored-bore-boring-boring-day-bored-kid-gif-27532765

[astral finch]

its just a video saying "update all lol" how is that helpful, i DONT WANT to update all- i just want a simple rbf 😦

update all bricks other previously working cores all the time, i lost analog video out on my astrocade core and had to manually go back and fix it 😭

[astral finch]

this comment should be pinned , THANK YOU ❤️

[burnt matrix]

update or update all downloads the core or otherwise I’d pin it

[naive whale]

Lol did you watch? It’s more than that. But whatever 🤷🏻‍♂️ remember I’m not teaching “people who know everything about MiSTer”. I’m teaching people who need guidance. Part of teaching is remembering not everyone knows what you know and helping them better understand things

[astral finch]

not everyone wants to run update all

i stopped updating years ago lmao

[burnt matrix]

Oh damn how come

Lots of cool stuff

[astral finch]

i dont want to spend more time fiddling fixing things that get broken from "updates" , i use a composite adapter and crt

excited to test everything though

so fun ^__^

[burnt matrix]

Awesome! 🍻

[untold lintel]

i've seen dramatically more issues from folks not running update_all than vice versa, but thats just me

[drowsy hull]

Is there an official composite hardware chain to be broken?

[naive whale]

New Sat vid is live over on share media 😉

[minor cipher]

if you stopped updating years ago, you may wish to test the waters again. the downloader is massively improved over what it was back then

[cyan tapir]

What is the latest SS core released?

[mortal mist]

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[cyan tapir]

I'm using this version and i tried running Night Striker S and it didn't work. It got a black screen after the second Sega logo.

[mortal mist]

turn off second controller

in osd

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[cyan tapir]

ok, Thanks!

[burnt matrix]

Why is your background so cool

[sick python]

<doom music intensifies>

collect them all!

[untold lintel]

lmao

[cyan tapir]

[polar geode]

👌

[gloomy hedge]

im from the school of " gran turismo dpad tapping" baby

I dont know why my saturn core just doesnt update with update all

it just hates it, it says last update was 10/18

@naive whale am I missing something?

[gloomy hedge]

oh nvm

I think Bacon tricked me with a new video and I assumed new core lol

[gloomy hedge]

shit does this work for other games too?

never tried this trick before

can confirm nightstriker on my mister works with full sound / music / all dat shit

[pearl harbor]

For the record, update_all has never ever mess up anything on my MiSTer.

[pearl harbor]

Yes, there are several games that require the second controller to be turned off. In the Hunt is another example.

[drifting frigate]

Yes, a couple.

[pearl harbor]

Also Shinobi X.

[drifting frigate]

Those are the three I know of. Night Striker is a ton of fun.

[gloomy hedge]

thanks y'all

now its off in perpetuity

sorry player 2, go kick rocks, this is MY TIME

[gloomy hedge]

I think someone asked " what if we made space harrier but good "

out popped night striker

[drifting frigate]

Sorry, @burnt matrix ... I need a gif on this one. https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExM3YzaGJxNHdvaHJhcGdpZ2N3eXdmbDlsOHFncHZlN2xnc21mcG9vYiZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/OYAw1Xc6MzZJZOeC7j/giphy-downsized-large.gif

[celest iris]

sorry, so you are complaining about update_all, but haven't updated for years? and @naive whale is just "lol sorry this isn't for power users" and not even questioning that the mister updater "bricks previously working cores all the time"

for any lurkers reading this, ignore it

https://tenor.com/view/disperse-lesley-nielsen-explosion-gif-13010485

[stiff patrol]

yep never has update_all ever bricked any cores

[celest iris]

i just don't think we should be discouraging people from using our update tools, and if there is a problem found the solution is to report the bug not scare people off

[stiff patrol]

update all cant touch your Mister_ini in any way

[celest iris]

but our downloader/update_all hasn't even been around for years so that is extra confusing

[upper dust]

Night Striker has music by Zuntata, Taito's house band. Same group that did Daddy Mulk from Ninja Warriors and the Darius OSTs. It's great!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl9CzQ4lo9k

[cyan tapir]

[off] Looks good to me now.

[polar mountain]

If update_all had the chance it would kill you and everybody you care about.

[burnt matrix]

Yeah that’s a really good point

[polar mountain]

I frickin love update all. Everytime I run it I appreciate how quick and easy it makes everything. Thank you theypsilon

[misty raven]

do not taunt update_all

[gloomy hedge]

im a recent adopter of the update_all life and it is uh

pretty fuckin cushy

some white collar mister shit right there

hit a button and I get all my cores, arcade roms, a back massage, some other favors I cant mention here, and then I turn my mister off

[hardy lodge]

Why would you turn off your mister? 😱

[drowsy hull]

5W idle are still 5W wasted

[burnt matrix]

yeah I turn off mine as well

[gloomy hedge]

my mister is a temple, if its not being played it gets rest

[ancient surge]

It knew too much.

[hardy lodge]

You should always play it.

[gloomy hedge]

cant while im pooping

and I must poop

therefore mister must rest

qed

[hardy lodge]

Just get a bucket like the rest of us.

[hearty carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/odo-ds9-bucket-gif-26814713

[silk mauve]

Interesting. I alwasy knew Mr. Buckett for putting balls in his mouth.

[pearl harbor]

He's buckets of fun!

[fallow surge]

Not enough dukat memes

[pearl furnace]

i have question about saturn core, whatever bios file i use and name it to boot.rom my games load as audio CD-s, i have try every single bios file including my own dump... any idea?

[cyan tapir]

Guys, is Sega Saturn's Resident Evil running well on the current Sega Saturn core?

[mortal mist]

Sometimes 😉

[cyan tapir]

Here it is randomly Freezing the game

[wise brook]

odd. what format are your rips?

[pearl furnace]

bin+cue

i even try to donload something in oposite to play my own copy as they didn't work... but same results

usa or europe all the same, first i have idea that's a bios problem but now... i don't know nothing...

[pearl furnace]

i have now try the stable main and unstable core, effect is the same, bios is loading then checking the disk and finaly it's showing me that cd have 30 tracks but not show application button...

[cunning citrus]

Open the cue file with a text editor, make sure it's pointing to the bin file correctly.

[earnest terrace]

I also noticed this problem (with the Timville 4dapter) though it sounds like the problem can't be solved when using it wirelessly (i.e. in "USB mode")? I'd be curious to know whether to know at least whether the issue lies with the controller or the adapter layer.

[celest iris]

@earnest terrace er...what problem?

[earnest terrace]

oh whups was trying to reply to something from @worldly temple earlier; L/C and R/Z wind up being tied together with a M30

[burnt matrix]

Remember what they took from us:

[ivory kindle]

Baggy suits and non matching shoes?

[serene thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/david-byrne-dancing-party-hard-big-suit-gif-11492535

[ivory kindle]

The 90s were wild

[serene thunder]

I wish I could travel back to the 80s and see it all again

[celest iris]

i saw david byrne closer than that, he was spraying sweat

[celest iris]

that must have been 92-ish? tiny club, maybe the middle east in cambridge...he still had a percussionist and two backup singers and had a blast

huh

[wanton minnow]

sort of related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulJBJYie0l8

[loud hare]

Having the 3DO core reduces the value of a MiSTer system and hopefully brings the price of DE-10s back down 👍

[polar geode]

Simple economics

[hearty carbon]

was that not why they did the Saturn core?

(I had a Saturn back in the day) 😄

[wanton minnow]

Is the Saturn the most complex of the cores? I know that system has a pretty complicated board layout

[wise brook]

it is definitely the most motherboard

[wanton minnow]

lol

[wise brook]

the final va15 motherboard from '98 had 1 example of condensing the chips. the 2x SH-2 were replaced by a single one to perform the same function

had the machine been a greater international success than mayhaps they'd have been an all in one vdp and the like

in a way that's what SRG320 is creating, a hypothetical one chip revision

[wanton minnow]

i guess all mister cores are SOCs 🙂

whats the 2 in 1 chip called?

[thorn pagoda]

was it like 2 SH-2's on a single die?

[tight zinc]

HD6417098 is the part number of the chip used, but I can't find a datasheet

[ancient fractal]

The VA15 motherboard is pretty intresting.. I never took much notice of it although I have at least one Saturn with it. Now that I look closer the discrete 68K CPU is gone too, integrated with the SCSP I suppose

And much smaller than both the chips replaced

[wanton minnow]

Lots of suppliers for it but yea not datasheets

[wanton minnow]

Oh interesting, "VA10 to 15: [...] Sound block is now integrated to a single IC instead of two. " then " the integrated sound block has a bug in certain 68000 commands, this might be the same bug as the Genesis 3 suffers from as that one also has an integrated 68000 made by Yamaha. The result is that certain games are incompatible with these boards."

[pearl furnace]

i have a question, if i try to run games on saturn core, but i have black screen after sega logo, can that be problem with incompatible ram module? all other cores work for me, test is stable at 150mhz as i have check...

[mortal mist]

If you have an official dual chip ram there should be no problem

What games have you tried?

Make sure you use good game images, redump

[pearl harbor]

Also make sure that the games you're testing are actually compatible with the core. The core is far from finished, so there are a lot of issues with it still.

[burnt matrix]

This ram module business really sucks. I hope we, as a community, take this as a lesson and do better due diligence on reviewing what we buy is up to spec and that manufacturers stick to the spec.

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/officer-doofy-salute-doofy-gilmore-scary-movie-gif-12729976

[hearty marten]

Do we have a list of games that are completable on the core? The compatibility list isn’t as detailed as e.g. the N64 one. (In both cases it would be great to have a tiny bit more detail about the games that feel “close to perfect” with no obviously bugs/glitches)

[burnt matrix]

I think that’s it.

[mortal mist]

No , there is no such list

[polar geode]

There was. Because of how specifically intensive the core is with memory, it varies from different revisions of RAM modules so compatability is hard to pin down in a general sense. I think someone with a 3.0 ram module needs to do all the testing tbh

[mortal mist]

The list included games that could be run, nothing more

[hearty marten]

To be clear, I’m not complaining here - I haven’t contributed to either list just yet. It does seem like things are starting to progress to the point where more detail could be beneficial

[mortal mist]

Ram 2.9/3.0 should work the same way

[polar geode]

@kindred peak you have been chosen, please test all 1600* games by Monday and create a spreadsheet, thank you drive through

• not actually 1600

[burnt matrix]

Sorry, I was using your post as a jumping off point because you mentioned the ram. We’ve had more people that I’m comfortable with having four chip ram here and that’s a real shame.

[hearty marten]

No need to apologise at all! I was following up on @pearl harbor’s post about which games are known to be completable 🙂

Although actually I think you meant @armkon who mentioned the RAM 😄

(New-ish to discord. I wish it had threads like Slack does…)

[burnt matrix]

It does but it gets easily lost

[polar geode]

Robby is terrible and should apologize for simply existing, much less speaking

[hearty marten]

That just proves my ignorance about discord 😄

[burnt matrix]

Apologizing is a form of commiserating to show empathy for someone’s troubles. It’s an acknowledgement that you understand their plight and feel bad that they’re going through it.

[polar geode]

Shut up Robby, you aren't allowed to be based.

https://tenor.com/view/evangelion-smug-asuka-troll-face-asuka-troll-get-trolled-gif-23761062

[mortal mist]

Robby is cool , how dare You ????!!!!

[polar geode]

He is very cool... FOR ME TO TROLL ON

[pearl harbor]

What happened to Robby's christmas tree user name!? Did...did I bully him into changing it!?

[polar geode]

The holidays are cancer, grinch mode activated!

[hearty marten]

Probably trying extra hard not to be @‘d

[polar geode]

Good luck @ing him with that whacked out username

@burnt matrix You are not immune from being summoned. Everyone loves you, and I love to troll you papa bear.

[serene thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/playing-viralhog-jump-running-run-away-gif-17562813

[polar geode]

ugh, a canine

It is not impressed either

[pearl harbor]

So is Robby's current incarnation meant to be Bizarro Robby?

[burnt matrix]

likewise, your such a funny and nice person, I can’t help but troll you lol

always the perfect response

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/robert-redford-jeremiah-johnson-nodding-yes-nod-of-approval-gif-21066931

You love to see your apprentice become a troll real boy

[scenic snow]

The black screen thing I had with Shinobi Legends/X. Is that to be expected?

[mortal mist]

Turn off second controller

In osd

[scenic snow]

Oh

[mortal mist]

Game bug

[scenic snow]

Will do

[mortal mist]

Same for in the hunt and and night striker s

[scenic snow]

Thanks!

[wise brook]

fun fact.
it's not a core bug, it's true to the original experience

[mortal mist]

Yes 🙂

[pearl harbor]

Indeed. We've learned a lot when testing the Saturn core!

[kindred peak]

On it. Wait, no, I'm not. 🤪
I can confirm that all of the music cutting out issues I was having with my 2.5 128mb chip are gone. A fresh 3.0 128mb from MiSTer Add-ons and now all is well.

I did have a few black screen after bios games. As I'm using a CHD set I converted myself, I found replacements on an archive of internet. Those worked. So must mean bad CHD conversions on my part.

But not all of them were broken. Only a few. And even then: the chds I made myself work in Retroarch.

It's a tinkering hobby 🙂

Oh, and I've tested about 35 games, and they're all working great with my region free US bios. If anyone is interested in that info.

[polar geode]

Clearly you are wrong, I havent figured out exactly how yet but I will.

https://tenor.com/view/otoboku-the-maidens-are-falling-in-love-with-me-otome-wa-boku-ni-koishiteru-anime-focused-gif-17742196

[scenic snow]

Yeah I got it 🙂 anyway disabled pad 2 now so got it to work

[pearl harbor]

I have pad 2 disabled by default. It's not like I have friends to play multiplayer with.....

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/aharen-aharen-san-anime-aharen-san-anime-anime-pat-gif-25343446

[wise brook]

one day, in the future, we'll have easy access to network enabled Saturn games all running in fpga

and then we can all play online painlessly

[pearl harbor]

With all the lightgun discussion in the PSX thread, is that something that srg320 will be adding to the Saturn core eventually himself? Or is lightgun support something that one of our other illustrious devs typically adds later on to cores?

[wise brook]

looks like @clear condor was a part of the effort behind bringing lightgun support to the last core that needed it

[pearl harbor]

Come on Nolbin! Unleash the shackles of guncon support on Saturn!

I need my Virtua Cop fix!

[ocean oxide]

waiting for the multitap support, for Saturn Bomberman 10-player mayhem

[wise brook]

but then you hit the MiSTer controller limit

maybe snac with a blueretro adapter that can handle 6 controllers at once?

[noble escarp]

Nolbin already blessed us with most of the input options on the core 🙂

Even coded support for dual mission stick

[tiny flare]

can't wait to use my Virtua Gun via SNAC

if at all possible

[noble escarp]

I'm sure it will

[burnt matrix]

who will be the hero to get USB light gun support on the Saturn core?

[next bronze]

Me too. I have the both the orange and black ones.

[burnt matrix]

[tiny flare]

nice! I've only got a blue one, I always thought it looked and felt so chunky and cool though

[hearty marten]

I'm fairly new to the Saturn library – anyone want to take a look at my game list and suggest any interesting/must plays that I should try out? https://pastebin.com/raw/JTkJGAjt Any suggestions greatly appreciated 🙂

[burnt matrix]

You have both Bug games and Virtual Hydlide

[wise brook]

Bulk Slash,

Stellar Assault

drop championship circuit edition

there is also a US copy of Deep Fear

it was officially unreleased but has long since leaked

Silhouette Mirage is also (literally as of a couple of days ago) in English

finally my gift to you for discovering more Saturn magic

https://www.segasaturnshiro.com/category/best-of-saturn/

[burnt matrix]

don’t Daytona USA gate keep him

[pearl harbor]

It could be you!

[wise brook]

my mantra

[next bronze]

Thanks to Ghostbusters, I keep thinking "keymaster" when I see mention of gatekeeping.

[serene thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-moranis-are-you-the-gatekeeper-ghostbusters-horse-gif-9322927

[hearty carbon]

Just manically trying to fuck that horse.

[winter phoenix]

Gozer the Gozerian should be a secret character in NBA Jam

[hearty marten]

Thanks @wise brook @burnt matrix

[wanton minnow]

On the Saturn can you draw individual points to the screen/framebuffer?

[wise brook]

it was a feature very well used on Mega Drive that was notably absent from Saturn

the shiro! discord folks can tell you more

there's some of the Saturn's best modern-day programmers on their

[wanton minnow]

thanks!

that seems like an obvious mistake not adding that in

[wanton minnow]

i was looking at a video on a RPi 5 running saturn games, and it does really well, it even runs at 720p and 1080p, though sometimes the quads are really obvious

They're in the std resolution Tomb Hunter too, but less obvious as lines

Is this an emulator thing, a Saturn thing, or just a Tomb Raider thing? (I'm guessing its mostly a Saturn thing, but the devs didn't hide it well)

[thorn pagoda]

kind of a saturn thing and a tomb raider thing

i think what causes those is imprecision in the vertices positions due to not having floating point positioning ?

you'd see the same in a lot of psx, saturn, and pc software rendered 3d games

[wanton minnow]

Yeah PSX for sure

[thorn pagoda]

if you play tomb raider with a 3d card like a voodoo that doesn't happen

[wanton minnow]

I didnt have any of the 3d consoles and never cared much for them. I think Quake for PC was the first polygonal 3D game that actually impressed me

[mortal mist]

PlayStation and Saturn impressed me a lot 🙂 and I still love the PSX the most, for me it is the best console.

[hardy lodge]

The best console is the mister, why choose a core? 😄

[still maple]

This Saturn core is eating saves like there's no tomorrow. I just got up today for SOTN and not only was my save from yesterday gone, but so was the one before that! Auto-Save is on and I invoke the menu constantly after each save. Serious bummer. Unless I'm having SD write failure, IDK what else is doing it. I don't know if it's a Saturn thing, but leaving the game running long enough (16+ hours) results in it closing to the BIOS/ CD player (sometimes).

Well, this is my report. There were previous losses as well; not the first time. Also, the bios save was written at point of last play while the game's save file's actual last write was indeed 2 days before. It must not be writing when it says it is, or it's writing to RAM; as it has loaded saves that no longer exist (though I'd left it on all night and it didn't crash yesterday whereas today it had).

[mortal mist]

I started playing sotn jap some time ago , save works ok so far , I will let you know if I lose any 🙂

is there any point in making a list with games similar to that of the N64 ? there is sometimes a problem with sdram version 2.4/2.5, so the tests would only be with 2.9/3.0, What do you think ?

[still maple]

Many Shuvs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Slor that day, I can tell you!

[cunning citrus]

How are your games set up in your Mister? I've been playing Hang On GP when I load the core on my Mister, my save is there still, gathering courage to do Endurance mode. Do you have your games in each folder so the core can create a internal backup file for each? Make sure the game finished saving before opening the menu, the games have no visual cue to show when it is writing into Sram, wait a few seconds after saving to open the menu, for good measure.

[pearl harbor]

I've been playing the Saturn core a ton, and have never lost a save yet.

[ancient surge]

Admittedly I haven't touched the SEGA Saturn core in a while because I'm waiting for the more obvious bugs to be fixed.

I'm one of those people that gets too easily distracted by inaccuracies.

[still maple]

Of course. It's just not writing to the SD card. But the bios file is being written to, apparently.

[cunning citrus]

Where are your games and saves folders located? How are you loading your games?

[brisk ice]

I mainly play sega rally and i never lost a save, perhaps try another sd card just for testing.

[still maple]

Off the SD card from the proper folders like everyone else. All bin/cue or chd in single folder. All default.

[pearl harbor]

I also play a lot of Sega Rally!

But...I also suck at it.

Never been able to get first place.

Best I can do is 2nd.

[cunning citrus]

Only thing I can think is the games not being inside its own separate folders each, causing issues to save into save folder. Try other SD card, like onaryc said. How old is your sd card?

[mortal mist]

Same 😅

[still maple]

Couple years. Everything else works. I appreciate it. I wonder if it's an issue with changing the ram cartridge setting or whatever. Hmm. Ah well.

[cunning citrus]

I hope you figure out what is happening, losing save data sucks, big time.

[acoustic temple]

anyway to get cheats in this core?

[mortal mist]

Nope

[burnt matrix]

Cheaters aren't allowed. If I find any cheaters I'll have to notify the retro game police.

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/segata-sanshiro-karate-taekwando-gif-4880719

[acoustic temple]

hmm how about getting custom save files

I just want all the characters in fighters megamix

[cunning citrus]

You can get a save file, inject into an internal backup image, rename the file the same as the game and load. Some emulators have memory managers, cant recall which ones though.

[brisk ice]

After some training i manage to arrive first (at the bonus course also) but for the first time i think, i beat the higher rank (under 3m 25s) \o/

[cunning citrus]

saving the game will get you the image file, don't know if the inject part would work or not, never tried.

[wanton minnow]

POV: retro game police getting a cheater

[pearl harbor]

I want muh lightgun support!

[burnt matrix]

Me too! 😭

Help us GunCon 3 bros!

[pearl harbor]

Seriously though, when I can use my Guncon 3 on the Saturn core, it will be a joyous day indeed!

[untold lintel]

More excited about using my Virtua gun lol

[burnt matrix]

I have a virtua gun too but no ways to hook my mister to a crt

[kindred peak]

How's that dual ram treating you?

[burnt matrix]

LOL uhhh Jaguar core makes crazy noises?

[kindred peak]

jaguar core goes brrrrrr

[polar geode]

Not on my dual setup. Never booted it up. But for some reason i still feel superior to single ram plebians.

[celest iris]

*plebs

[pearl harbor]

I'll take my single ram and I'll enjoy it!

[frail token]

What core

[wanton minnow]

He didnt say but probably mednafen emulator https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UjKTc7zjWw

[frail token]

Nice

[sudden tusk]

We are overdue for a new build !

These n64 nerds are getting unhinged ..

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/nerds-mad-football-rage-gif-16650450

[winged belfry]

at the risk of revealing myself to be the subject of the above meme ... where can I find the newest dual ram rbf? the mister unstable github has "fake" when viewing raw code and a size of 1k, and unless srg highlights as a demo-scener, i doubt thats the right compile

[mortal mist]

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[winged belfry]

just downloaded the normal core though listed above, usual size of 4mb

appreciate it

[acoustic temple]

Where are those save files located?

[tall radish]

The speed they got when increasing the internal resolution means it can't be Mednafen, doing that is very CPU intensive as it doesn't have a hardware renderer like other Saturn emulators.

[cunning citrus]

Inside saves\saturn iirc

[quick sorrel]

Is a stable 147Mhz RAM test a good v2.9 board? I let it run for 3+ hours.

[mortal mist]

yeah it's good

[polar mountain]

Very Important Bug Report!
Minnesota Fats: Pool Legend
When you win a game the announcer says "Player 3, you win, you lose, draw, wins" even though you are not player 3 and you did not lose draw!
Single ram 2.5
😇

[naive whale]

The Saturns best title by far

Lol

[quick sorrel]

Thanks (glad about not needing a 3.0 board even though it didn't hit 150Mhz w/o errors)

[clear condor]

I did the other input methods as sort of "preparation" for adding the Stunner. But the Stunner was a lot more complicated than the other controllers - basically it interfaces directly with the CPU in a way that things ilke the 3D pad don't

[wise brook]

the Saturn continues to surprise

were you involved in adding guncon2 support or things like wiimote/gun4ir?

[naive whale]

Looks like my dad

[vernal sun]

Looks like you in a few years then

Lucky bastard. Better start growing that mustache now

[upper dust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dySnfnfHHtw

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/ill-waiting-im-well-gif-18430344

[wanton minnow]

Impressive rtx reflections on that water surface

[misty raven]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_o6DxhslAI

[clear condor]

Yep on GunCon 2 - I brought beardypig's GunCon 2 driver over to MiSTer, and gave it some support from the MiSTer framework side.

Wiimote's been in for ages - it's Sorg's favorite gun. JayBee (creator of Gun4IR) put MiSTer support in himself

[pearl harbor]

Is it feasible for Saturn to have lightgun support in the near future, or is that something you'd think is a long way off still?

[clear condor]

Most likely person to do it is currently srg320

[edgy hollow]

Yeah, probably will be added much later if ever

I really should actually build my gun4ir

[wanton minnow]

trying to make Bing's image creator create a Saturn-based computer:

[lusty rapids]

8/10 would play visual novels on it

[pine bobcat]

That's actually just a standard Japanese toilet

[wanton minnow]

lol

[next bronze]

I hope lightgun support gets added to SNAC Saturn, at least. What does Saturn SNAC support currently? Just regular controllers?

[burnt matrix]

All accessories

[pearl harbor]

I use my 3D controller through SNAC, and it is glorious.

[burnt matrix]

wow! Maybe use a good SNAC controller like the Death Crimson dragon??

[pearl harbor]

I'm sensing a pattern forming here!

Oh god

Don't think I didn't see that!

[burnt matrix]

https://youtu.be/ZPRdwR37SRk?feature=shared

[pearl harbor]

That's it. I'm going to tell my mod friend Robby that Robby is bullying me! .....oh no.

[burnt matrix]

Sorry, I was just having fun. The Saturn 3D controller is pretty cool, currently the only way to get analog triggers on the MiSTer!

[polar geode]

You're an analog trigger

[lusty rapids]

pull my devil analog trigger https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WpnPSChVRQ

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-tsumugi-kotobuki-mugi-kon-weird-gif-12377054

[drifting crown]

Are you two just going to go get a room already?

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/my-clueless-first-friend-jijou-wo-shiranai-tenkousei-ga-guigui-kuru-nishimura-akane-anime-grim-reaper-gif-3575745122881356711

[burnt matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/gou-free-anime-shy-cute-gif-6592411474820468660

lmao peek a boo

[polar geode]

ree

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/segata-sanshiro-soccer-haha-no-goal-funny-gif-17100498

[high bramble]

Hard to follow the rules here.
Someone is always moving the goal posts...

[burnt matrix]

Oh damnit you’re right, I forgot about the no gif thing in focused chats

I’d time myself out but I can’t

no gifs plzzzz

[polar geode]

Sure you can.

[burnt matrix]

I checked, I can’t

[polar geode]

SHUREYOUCAN

[high bramble]

It was a joke. Mr. Sanshiro-san was literally moving the goal. 😉

[silk mauve]

Mr. Sanshiro is always Saturn-focused.

[burnt matrix]

I know and it was funny but it’s good to have a reminder

[high bramble]

Aww man, don't make me be that party pooper guy. 🤣

That wasn't the intent. lol

[polar geode]

https://youtu.be/SL_x1rRg7mM?si=e8s9tcknKXkb96zu&t=2

[high bramble]

I try to be funny, and Robby's all...
😏

"Canada, huh? Almost made it."

[polar geode]

https://www.romhacking.net/translations/7060/

Anyone catch the patch udpate?

Says entire game is playable in english now

[kindred peak]

Any consensus on Saturn v. PSX for that game?

NM... the wiki article actually covers it. Neat.

[mortal mist]

That's exactly right

[pearl harbor]

Too late. The deed is done.

[kindred sundial]

Saturn experts - I never owned a Saturn but played a friends a handful of times as a kid. Once this core progresses more I am going to pickup a reflex adapt and Saturn cable. Question is how many controllers do I buy? I already have a 2.4ghz m30 that I use for all the Sega cores. I plan on buying a Japanese 3D control pad for Nights but do I need a normal Saturn pad or is the m30 almost identical in feel?

[cunning citrus]

M30 is close enough. Differences are being bigger and clicky L and R. Dpad of Saturn controller (model 2) is slightly better.

[kindred sundial]

Awesome thank you! 3D pad only

Is there a dual analog hack or rom to play Virtual On with? Say like with a dual sense? I loved that game so much in the arcade and the controller is so iconic. Really don’t want to fork the cash out for one today though.

[cunning citrus]

The twin stick iirc used the abc and y buttons to act as the second stick. Left down right and up respectively.

[kindred sundial]

Oh so I could make a control scheme in the core then. Sweet! Never thought to try that

3.5 years with a Mister and still finding out new stuff

[clear condor]

Yeah, the Twin Stick actually just presents itself as an ordinary Saturn controller

[kindred peak]

🤯 I had no idea! Thank you for the info. Need to try that out with a Dual Shock.

[cunning citrus]

You have to tell the games you are using a twin stick, some games have a twin stick to set in pad settings.

[untold lintel]

I ponied up recently, it rules

[kindred sundial]

So awesome!

[untold lintel]

Bracing myself for the inevitable where I have to buy two Dreamcast ones for system linked VOOT

[pearl harbor]

This is how to set it up. Works great with a PS4 controller!
#1046941029296779344 message

[next bronze]

I went for the DC sticks for VooT, but I might still get the Saturn ones. Might be good for Robotron with an adapter on the MiSTer too.

[noble escarp]

It is indeed pretty good for Robotron

[still maple]

Nobody experiencing save failure but me, huh?

[cunning citrus]

Looks like it. Very weird.

[lucid needle]

I mentioned before that my SFA3 saves seem to evaporate.

[mortal mist]

It disappeared from the sd card ? Is it still on the card ? and the game does not see the save ?

[lucid needle]

I haven't actually looked if the save is present on the sd card. But I've started a world tour 3 times, made sure to save and when I start the game again no save is found.

[mortal mist]

It is worth checking if the save exists on the card

Maybe it is related to a specific game and we can catch the issue

[lucid needle]

Just checked the save folder and there's no save for SFA3

[mortal mist]

Ok this is important information

Do you have the games in separate folders?

[lucid needle]

Yes I do.

[mortal mist]

Ok i will try sfa3

[winged wagon]

Are you using the favorites script to load games by any chance? I had some saves issues when I was using it.

[mortal mist]

Saves work fine for me

Autosave is on , open osd , saving

save in on the sd card

no issue here

[mortal mist]

I finished a few fights, saved several times

cold reboot, everything works fine

are you sure you have autosave on and after every save in the game you open osd , so that the file will save to the SD card ?

[lucid needle]

I need to double check. Thanks for checking on your end.

[mortal mist]

now I can't stop playing haha

great game , works perfect

[lucid needle]

Yeah it’s amazing ☺️

[mortal mist]

for me it looks like this

[mortal mist]

I may be wrong , but shouldn't the sight be coloured ? core:

from saturn gameplay

[wise brook]

just an educated guess, likely an issue caused by the only partial implementation of gouraud shading

you can't imagine how many times I've struggled to spell Gouraud

[mortal mist]

haha ok , thanks 🙂

[pearl harbor]

No issues on my end either with saving in Street Fighter Zero 3.

[still maple]

It seems like it's just not writing to disk. The bios file itself has a more recent write date than the save file. I don't know why the bios file is being written to. I do not keep the games in separate folders.

The bug could be related to cycling through the "cartridge" options. It's done at multiple times now yet never ever on any other system. Perhaps it's because I'm playing a Japanese game somehow? Of course, it does work sometimes. :/

[median elm]

hi guys
can someone give me the saturn core pls?

[fallow surge]

If you run update all it will download automatically

Otherwise check unstable nightlies section

[median elm]

tks bro

[ancient field]

I've been having issues with shinging in the holy

always gives me a black screen

[ancient surge]

@ancient field Known issue.

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/1

Basically all you can do is wait for a fix.

[ancient field]

oh ok thanks

I thought I set something up wrong

[pearl harbor]

The core just seems to not like the Shining series! Shining Force III always crashes when using a healing spell. It's a long standing issue unfortunately.

[mortal mist]

It is of course your choice , but the games should be in separate folders. If they are not in separate folders the system treats it as one game with multiple disks. And you probably have to reset the core every time you change the game. If you keep the games in separate folders, you don't have to do this.

plus a separate file (internal memory) is created for each game for saving the state of the game. Some games fill the entire free space.

[still maple]

Thanks. Is that true for all ISO systems or just the bin/cue setups and not single-file CHD?

[mortal mist]

whether it is a bin/cue or chd file, each game should be in a separate folder

same is for PSX

[pearl harbor]

Yeah, PSX and Saturn should absolutely be each game in their own folder.

[kindred peak]

I'd recommend it for chd as well. That way you can group multi disc games.

[ocean oxide]

chd files weighs less than single bin/cue file image

and does not take up space on your storage

[mortal mist]

I only use bin/cue, but space is not an issue for me

I have only those games that really interest me

if someone wants to have all the games then surely chd is helpful 🙂

[polar mountain]

"You roll with CHD?"

"Yeah, you know me"

"You down with CHD?"
"Yeah, you know me"

C'mon guys sing it with me!

you down with chd yeah you know me

[mortal mist]

I don't have time , I play games 😛

[polar mountain]

you down with.....

ok I'll stop now.

Robby would have sung it with me☹️

[high bramble]

You down with Q Six Four?
No, what's that for?

[kindred peak]

I'm sorry: are we suggesting we play games on our update-all machines?

[polar geode]

Ew

[mortal mist]

We

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/frye-dyslexic-gif-4978104

[wanton minnow]

stroke simulator

[kind quarry]

converting all my psx and saturn games to chd and throwing them on an external m2 drive has been awesome.

i still did some pruning because i didn’t need every demo disc ever made, but having every single english language saturn game has been so nice for learning new games

[next bronze]

Download and Uploading CHDs always takes longer than I think it will. Now I have the bulk slash English translation on both MiSTers.

[frigid salmon]

Has there been any hint at a save state option like the psx core has?

[pearl harbor]

I doubt it since Saturn isn't even finished yet and is way more complex than PS1. Also completely different core developers with different styles of development.

[muted marsh]

Hey quick question. So lately with some games on the saturn core Ive noticed that some will have audio that cuts off but will still play with no audio. Not sure if this is a RAM issue since Im on an analog board , I did purchase a XS-DS v3 ram stick (rated at 140-150 mhz) recently coming from a version 2.5 that I got a few years ago. Do you guys think this would make a diff when playing games on this core now once its installed?

[polar geode]

There are known audio issues with the core that have been entered as github issues, it might be best to wait until some more work is done on the core before buying RAM

[muted marsh]

Yeah kind of figured , oh well couldve used a bit of an upgrade anyways lol. Just sucks we dont have a dual ram analog board yet , since I do like to boot it up on my crts from time to time

[pearl harbor]

Yeah, audio is still one of the biggest outstanding issues with the core. It's certainly improved a lot in recent months, but it's still a pretty major problem.

[muted marsh]

All good , guess ill just wait on these future updates lol !

Least im able to play Magic Knights Rayearth , lol seems like its not too demanding

[pearl harbor]

Love Magic Knight Rayearth!

It's also @burnt matrix 's favorite Saturn game because he loves the art style!

[muted marsh]

Its something about that pixel art , with some thick scanlines too ! just makes it pop and fun to play

[next bronze]

I noticed the GG games also use a chibi art style (and yes I have the GG Rayearth games)

One is an RPG that I managed to beat without reading the text and the other is a Tamagotchi like simulation game.

[muted marsh]

You know I actually have a GG around somewhere that I need to get fixed and upgraded to that new LCD screen. Would be down to check out that library fr !

[ancient fractal]

The “Direct Video” option works great for that

[fallen terrace]

I have the hdmi going to my lcd and the vga going to my PVM, depending on what mood I'm in. My LCD actually handles most of the direct video modes ok surprisingly though when I tried.

[burnt matrix]

No! Everyone looks like a fat baby

They had all that graphical power and that’s what they do? Deformed little children isn’t an art style, it’s a medical condition.

[pearl harbor]

You seem to know this from experience! Is...is your user pic actually a real photo of you!?

[burnt matrix]

[native dagger]

@burnt matrix so kawaii

[burnt matrix]

[sick python]

Last time we were at "the mall" we went into a Kawaii store, HOLY CRAP, they had everything in every shade of pastel you could possible imagine. Kawaii themed fabric shaver? You bet. Kawaii toaster? Uh huh. Pencil toppers, USB cables, everything.

[serene thunder]

So like Supreme for even bigger dorks

[rich violet]

How should multi-disc games be organized? In one directory? Something like:

• Game
  • Game Disc 1.cue
  • Game Disc 1 *.bin
  • Game Disc 2.cue
  • Game Disc 2 *.bin

Or in multiple directories inside a main directory for the game? Something like:

• Game
  • Game Disc 1
    • Game Disc 1.cue
    • Game Disc 1 *.bin
  • Game Disc 2
    • Game Disc 2.cue
    • Game Disc 2 *.bin

Or just mixed in with all the other games? Something like:

• Game Disc 1
  • Game Disc 1.cue
  • Game Disc 1 *.bin
• Game Disc 2
  • Game Disc 2.cue
  • Game Disc 2 *.bin

[stiff patrol]

one directory per game

every game in its own directory

so your option 1 but for everything multi and single disc games

[rich violet]

Thanks!

[stiff patrol]

Also CHD is much easier and occupies less space

one file per disc makes it so much easier to use and the space saving is immense

[frail token]

Yeah you really want CHD they're much better

Then just

GameFolder -> Game.chd
GameFolder -> GameDisc1.chd, GameDisc2.chd, etc.

[rich violet]

Yeah, I'll end up CHDing them later

[burnt matrix]

how ‘bout u chdeez games!

[waxen vortex]

is CHD reliable now? I know at times during PSX Core Testing, it caused some issues to appear when a CHD image was used compared to BIN & Cue (despite some people not believing this).

[frail token]

I don't know if I've heard of any CHD related issues since it was added

[warped cliff]

I don't remember CHD being unreliable

PSX core's CD system had many fixes after CHD was added, so maybe

[pearl harbor]

I haven't had any issues with CHD on Saturn yet. So CHD the heck out of your library!

[burnt matrix]

That was never an issue. The problem was either due to it being a bad dump or people running the core CD Speed option at 6x / 8x even despite the warning that it could cause issues.

You can do a different form of CHD compression to run those games at 6x / 8x, which is what I do. But people just download CHD distributions which who knows how they were compressed.

[quaint dove]

Sonic R does not deserve the soundtrack it has.

[noble escarp]

TJ Davis ❤️

[quaint dove]

I expected something like Azaphizel given she has the voice of an angel.

[waxen vortex]

No there was definitely some difference in behaviour that I can recall but that did all get sorted out in the end. I don't recall it being because of CD Speed settings.

All of my PSX Images are REDUMP ones and worked fine in Bin / Cue but I am pretty sure at least 1 or 2 games had issues when converted to CHD that didn't occur when they were Bin / Cue.

[kind bough]

Point blank and maybe some others used to have long pauses during loading when using CHD, Robert and Zakk got it fixed

#psx-chat message

[burnt matrix]

Thanks for finding this @kind bough and for clarifying @waxen vortex!

Didnt even know there was longer loading problems. Glad that was caught!

[gloomy hedge]

Question

Should I buy a Saturn twinstick off of eBay for this core

Subquestion: I assume there is a Saturn snac

[hearty carbon]

Yes.

See if they have a Steel Battalion setup too.

[burnt matrix]

There is a Saturn SNAC. Check www.misteraddons.com if you’re in the U.S.

[stiff patrol]

or Robby's house

he gets all the Mister Addons for free and gives them away to anyone who knocks and asks

[burnt matrix]

LOL I have gotten stickers for free. But no I’ve paid for everything I bought there.

[gloomy hedge]

Yeah US. You got the Saturn twinstick right?

It's good?

[silk mauve]

Trick or SNAC!

[gloomy hedge]

I hear that 360 Hori EX one is the best but it's so damn expensive

[burnt matrix]

It’s great for Virtual-On! Also works with the Bulk Slash translation but the controls take some getting used to.

[gloomy hedge]

Yeah would just be for virtual on

I have no snac setup atm tho

So weighing out my options

Thinking of that new snac thing that Porkchop got out here

Right now on my mister Virtual on has no sound so I'll wait till it runs maybe... But man I miss playing it with the proper controls in the arcade

That was so fun

[stiff patrol]

if anyone wants to visit Robby he lives here

1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW
Washington, DC 20500

just walk up and ask to see Robby. If the guard says he doesnt thats just them playing with you

[high bramble]

Not a great practical joke. The person who actually lives there now would probably believe his name was really Robby.

[pearl harbor]

Trick or treat Robby!

[hardy lodge]

Share those stickers with us or be accused of corruption!

[burnt matrix]

Wait no, I got a prototype Reflex-CTRL unit for testing. I should be upfront and clear about that.

The SNES one, I bought a super famicom case for it though.

[hardy lodge]

So much corruption!

[burnt matrix]

I mean you joke but it’s really important to be called out on it. I’m biased and it needs to be mentioned.

[high bramble]

You have two asses?

[frail token]

don't ask me why Sesame Street is now claymation

[sudden tusk]

I STOLE THIS!

[frail token]

You're welcome

I can't keep track of which ones have been used

[burnt matrix]

I am being obliterated between the anime gif reactions with my name on another discord and Hank hill reactions here lmao

Came in here to say that if you’re a fan of SEGA Rally, there’s two Japanese PS1 rally games that you have to check out. They’re called Rally de Africa and Rally de Europe.

It has that drift heavy and bouncy SEGA Rally feeling.

[mortal mist]

Rally de Africa is ok but it doesn't stand a chance with Sega Rally🙂

[burnt matrix]

aww

🚗💨⛰️

[pearl harbor]

You said they were Japanese! But they're clearly from Europe and Africa!

[misty raven]

https://youtu.be/6hzwKtJF_bg?si=z-CPKIQi_pVjDAfx

[serene thunder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQpLvG6ageA

Always cracks me up

[sterile stump]

Completed Rally De Europe when the PS1 core was still WIP. Fun thing is you unlock all of the Rally De Africa courses once you complete the Europe stages. Would recommend, although the difficulty can be cheap in places.

[gloomy hedge]

so if im waiting for a core update that is best served through checking my patreon?

or is there some kind of alarm that rings around here

e.g. I check the testbuilds for n64 updates

what I do here for dis one

[burnt matrix]

Probably that or here - https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer

It’s part of the official repository so updates will be downloaded by the update script.

[gloomy hedge]

booo

yeah fair enough

I just feel like every release should be a party

a big event with cocktails and small wieners

and maybe a schnitzel or 4

[burnt matrix]

People usually test heavily when there’s a new release so this Discord is pretty active

[gloomy hedge]

I dunno Robby my boi this discord been mad active and the last release was ... checks watch

like a month ago?

[burnt matrix]

Yeah I mean this channel in particular should be pretty busy when there’s a new release

[mortal mist]

Yeah, waiting ...

New core...

[rare lark]

I just noticed for some reason when I ran Update_All today it removed my Saturn core and it doesn't seem to be coming back if I re-run.

I manually put it back so thats fine just wasn't sure if something was up with the updater

[gloomy hedge]

you sure you didnt run update_all_except_saturn_haha_shutup

(I can run it real quick if you want to see if it happens to me)

[polar geode]

Seems like development has stalled a little. Is srg320 OK?

[rare lark]

Weird thing too is that it said I was missing my tgfx bios but then when i ran it again everything was fine.

[rare lark]

Sure if you don’t mind! Mine might have just glitched or something

[mortal mist]

About a week ago he answered on Patreon , I assume everything is ok

[gloomy hedge]

hitting it now real quick

[polar geode]

Thats good

[ancient surge]

Guess he's just hitting a snag with development.

[gloomy hedge]

for reference of how long I havent updated

didnt do anything weird on my end ! @rare lark

[rare lark]

Hmmm so weird. Everything runs just fine now that I manually added it.

It does keep telling me that my FAT is full though (even though it isn’t) every time i run update. Wonder if something weird is going on there.

[stiff patrol]

could be a bad sd card

https://h2testw.org/

is the tester

although it may delete all to do the test !

[rare lark]

I'll give that a try.

[stiff patrol]

make sure you have a backup

[rich violet]

Does "In the Hunt" work for anyone? I get a black screen when I try to load it

[mortal mist]

yes, works ok

turn off second controller in osd menu

"You will need to disable the second controller port for some games, like “In the Hunt”, “Shinobi Legends/X” and “Night Striker S”. This is an issue with real hardware so not a bug with the core!"

[rich violet]

Oh, thanks! 🙂

[pearl harbor]

It's not a bug, it's a feature!

[whole igloo]

Did we ever get CHD support? I don’t recall

[pearl harbor]

We did!

[whole igloo]

Cool, I’ve gotta check my card, probably need to convert some games

[pearl harbor]

Works great in all my testing. I converted my entire Saturn library (not all Saturn games, just the ones I include on my SD card). And haven't run into any issues at all.

[acoustic temple]

Anyone manage to get super tempo to work?

just black screens on me

[gloomy hedge]

Any word on the reflex adapt orders @unkempt kelp ?

I ask Because I'm considering buying a Saturn twinstick off of eBay for virtual on but it will be a literal paperweight unless I have some kind of adapter

And I figure reflex adapt is the most versatile investment in the SNAC/X world...

[unkempt kelp]

3 weeks

[gloomy hedge]

Thanks! I put my email address in..do you think it's worthwhile to me to grab a Saturn twinstick?

[unkempt kelp]

But Saturn adapters might lag behind

[gloomy hedge]

Trying to weigh my options here

[unkempt kelp]

Had to make a new mold

[gloomy hedge]

The Hori one is so damn expensive and then... There's the dreamcast one...

[gloomy hedge]

Fuck me

[unkempt kelp]

I think the twinstick is cool 🙂

[gloomy hedge]

That is rough.

[unkempt kelp]

The existing adapters are ok but the connection isn’t always 100%

[gloomy hedge]

I haven't played virtual on on a cabinet in probably 10+ years

[unkempt kelp]

I don't think I've ever played the cabinet

[gloomy hedge]

Oh shit really? I grew up playing it a ton, it always seemed to pop up in random arcades I found. Loved that cab..game feels well different on a twinstick

The hori twin stick ex is better than the Saturn one by a mile but also has the advantage of me being able to play virtual on: oratorio tangram port on 360 as well...

[unkempt kelp]

That's good to know!