Sega Saturn

[tall radish]

Dual or Single RAM?

[mortal mist]

single

[tall radish]

a little bit? more like 60%

[tall radish]

should we also put the CHDs in a folder like on the PSX core?

[ancient fractal]

Will you also do a DS build? (There’s no github build actions set up in the new repo right?)

[mortal mist]

best to keep games in separate folders

[mortal mist]

yes

[ancient fractal]

I haven’t compared the variants since the recent memory controller improvements.. could be interesting

[tall radish]

it should be better diversified as before the dual ram would boot on a single ram core.

[sacred goblet]

I don't see in the commit the code corresponding to the capacity to read chd format. I m interesting in the way core is managing chd files.

[mortal mist]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/commit/12c3ab9848ed7dab12706780e9e855440a68fe66

[frail token]

Ooh we getting CHD soon?

[mortal mist]

now

[frail token]

I'll fire that bad boy up when that gets into update_all

Been waiting for CHD to try the core

[mortal mist]

#1046941029296779344 message

here is test core

[frail token]

Badass

[sacred goblet]

It juste add the chd files to the filter but i dont see where the core interact with chd format.

[mortal mist]

you have to see mister main too 🙂

[marble lion]

with .chd's i get "drive door open" any tips?

[mortal mist]

with unstable mister main ?

[marble lion]

yes ... will reinstall it again

bin's boot fine btw

ok did a reinstall of core and unstable mister now its working!

[mortal mist]

nice !

[sacred goblet]

Ah so all cd drive émulation is in main mister?

[mortal mist]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer/commit/9685215fec8ecb7d5022c5d0a3241799e2d04612

[naive whale]

Mmm compressed hunks of data

[native dagger]

So each unstable main has the previous contents, right? If I grab the Saturn chd one it also has the n64 joystick stuff?

[marble lion]

was wondering that myself 🙂

[faint flicker]

normally yes

[mortal mist]

yes

[native dagger]

Perfect, thanks!

[mortal mist]

@wet hull Shinobi works with second controller disabled

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/18

[wet hull]

Yeah true

Something about second controller

I will add that information

[mortal mist]

nah it's correct behavior

not core bug

https://segaretro.org/Shinobi_Legions

[wet hull]

Oh wow

[mortal mist]

Programming errors mean that Shinobi Legions cannot be played if two controllers are connected to the console.

[wet hull]

Good I will close that ticket

[mortal mist]

use with #unstable-nightlies message

dualsdram version, CHD support

[wet hull]

Does the 4mb hack Akumajou draclua work?

[mortal mist]

yes , works fine

[wet hull]

What is the recommended cartridge option?

[ripe valley]

In the Hunt does the same thing as Shinobi-X too.
Before someone open an issue about that.

[wet hull]

Summoning @lone mural

Saturn is released

[willow pawn]

Someone has single SDRAM CHD version?

[mortal mist]

#1046941029296779344 message

[willow pawn]

Thank you

[ancient fractal]

None, for the most part

[zinc vine]

any game chances update?

[marble lion]

mikeS and zakk did a great job. thx

[odd halo]

CHuD me up, baby!

[willow pawn]

Amazing core so far, glad to finally be playing it properly now that chd is added

Shame my wifi adapter is just barely enough, not ideal

[mortal mist]

yeah saturn core is great 🙂

[polar geode]

Very happy with it myself

Happy that srg is safe, happy for the core

Happy to pay my patreon fee

[mortal mist]

and may there be peace and love in the world forever 🙂

Use unstable mister main with the latest core (Video offset fix) #unstable-nightlies message

@burnt matrix if you can redo it your way and pin it for a while, thanks

have a nice day , morning or evening everyone

end of work for today

[willow pawn]

Ah, shame, interlace still broken

[tall radish]

did it mention this kind of update? i thought it is only about CHD

[willow pawn]

No, but I didn't follow the core in a while because my game collection is chd

[native dagger]

I know absolutely nothing about the Saturn. Say I want to go from playing a game back to the bios to check the memory card how would I do that?

[ocean wasp]

Reset core and hold L+R buttons

[native dagger]

Excellent, thank you!

[open glen]

does chd do anything other than use a better compression algorithm, like remove media?

[odd halo]

it's lossless. nothing is removed

[open glen]

nice

[ancient surge]

Sort of tempted to request features like a bob interlace option and faster disc reading, like what the PS1 core has.

But I'm hesitant to do so since I want to see the accuracy improve first.

[analog totem]

CHD..nice! Looks like it’s time for me to finally finish my tedious exploration through every weird Japanese Saturn game to see what’s possibly playable…I’m a little more than halfway through the M’s 😅

[winter phoenix]

CHD support just got added to the core?

[analog totem]

@winter phoenix you need unstable main and the latest test build of the core with support added, but yeah

[winter phoenix]

ah OK

thanks 👍

[hardy lodge]

Dang the core is making fast progress.

[analog totem]

definitely. I wish I could get Shinobi to boot, though

[mortal mist]

Turn off second controller

It's bug in the game

Shinobi works fine

[analog totem]

ohhhh!!

well i’ll be an uncle’s monkey

[sudden tusk]

You mean grandma

[analog totem]

that is awesome! I really need to take a look at the bigger Saturn library now…I think I’ve finally hit the point where I just need to go get an SSD

[analog totem]

If I was a Grandma’s monkey, then i’d be both Grandma and the monkey 🙈

[frail token]

Does this load directories as a game like the other CD cores?

[thorny lion]

It currently does with bin/cue, yes

Likely does the same with chd as well if I had to guess

I played through the intro for the Baroque English patch yesterday. Absolutely mind blowing to see it running SO well on the mister

Colored lighting definitely hits differently than the PSX version

[rugged sun]

So I went to try the new CHD compatible Saturn core for the first time and realised I can’t use it with my setup that utilises the 240p 120hz modeline because there is only 4:3 and 16:9 toggles for aspect ratio, no “full screen”

[alpine pagoda]

Does it support custom aspects?

[rugged sun]

I'm assuming it's just an OSD options oversight since 240p 120hz isn't technically an advertised supported mode or something cuz' it's not like games don't load or anything

[alpine pagoda]

If you add a custom aspect like 10:1 or something it might fix that, if the core supports them

[ancient surge]

No you see that is actually the secret tate mode the core has, when you really want to play Virtua Fighter in a vertical aspect ratio for some reason.

[ancient fractal]

It seems the handling of multiple discs in one subdirectory to bundle up multi-disc releases is not yet added to Saturn; i.e. that only one savefile is created and that the core will not reset when changing discs from the same subdirectory

[lone mural]

Presente!

[rugged sun]

Hmm, I just tried this in the .ini...

[Saturn]
video_mode=2048,240,160,cvt
custom_aspect_ratio=10:1

But got this result. Am I phrassing it wrong or does it just mean there's no support for custom aspects?

[alpine pagoda]

You want custom_aspect_ratio_1=

The ini should support that, I couldn’t say whether the core does yet or not though

Might be more like 8 or 9:1 you’ll need, 10 might be a bit high

[rugged sun]

Hmmm, the .ini takes the code now but it doesn't seem like it does anything to the actual output. Even tried 30:1 and no visible change.

[alpine pagoda]

When you add it it should show up in the list of aspect ratios, you have to select it

[rugged sun]

You mean in the OSD somewhere? Not sseeing any options for a custom AR.

[alpine pagoda]

The osd aspect ratio list

Custom ratios get added to the list

[rugged sun]

Ah, then no it's not in that list, despite not giving me an error on boot anymore.

[alpine pagoda]

Ah, I guess the core doesn’t support custom aspect ratios yet then

[rugged sun]

Seems like it, thanks anyway though this might at least be useful later down the line somewhere else.

[astral crane]

It's broken to me too

[alpine pagoda]

No worries, it can be handy at times

[astral crane]

If you load the core, but not the bios, it looses sync on crt (composite)

But, this time, the image is center 😄

[ancient surge]

Going to test out the CHD core soon, just getting the games now.

[wise brook]

.chd has been fine so far

1995 never looked so good

its also very convenient for menu navigation.

no going in and out of folders once you've selected the game you want.

selecting the folder containing your desired .chd doesn't put you into that folder when selecting that game. aka it keep you on the right page

[cunning citrus]

You want to manage that current game save data you can use a+b+c and start, doing it in game will bring you back to the game first screen, do it again there to return to cdplayer. Dreamcast is the same (great for gdemu).

[untold spear]

wonder if anyone can spot where dual ram makes a dif in stability

im curious about that

[celest iris]

sheesh

[open swan]

Thanks @warped saddle for adding CHD support

[pearl harbor]

CHDooooh my god it's here already!?

[mortal mist]

Yes , it's here

[pearl harbor]

I just need to say it. Thank you so much to everyone here (and obviously srg320) who has helped to make all this possible. WTF this community is amazing. Love you guys!

[celest iris]

@open swan should that be safe to test with?

should only take another 27 hours to chd it all up

[open swan]

i'm sure it wouldn't hurt anything to test it, just need to use the latest unstable mister binary.

[celest iris]

i might have worded that badly...is chd expected to introduce any extra issues that could make it a bad idea for bug hunting and reporting

i know there were teething pains with other cores, but i am not sure if that was core-specific or just ironing out CHD support overall, but i use it everywhere i can and would love to use it here without keeping a copy of bin/cue around to double check issues

maybe asking @warped saddle is the best idea ^ 🙂

[open glen]

is there a way to get multiple disc games into a single file that the mister auto advances through?

[warped saddle]

if I expected it to cause issues I'd have fixed them, no? I can't answer that question with anything but a 'I think it works ok'

if it helps it is basically the same code from the megacd

[warped saddle]

no. for multi-disc games put them all in the same directory, and when you need to swap discs mount the 'next' one

putting them in the same directory prevents main from issuing a reset to the console

[celest iris]

@warped saddle sorry if that was a touchy subject, i just had some differences pop up early in PSX testing that were later resolved, and didn't know whether those were global or core-specific issues that went away

i'll just shut up

[frail token]

Is there a github issue opened for it?

[warped saddle]

same-directory should inhibit console reset

[pearl harbor]

So far so good on the CHD testing. Just tried it with two games (Magic Knight Rayearth and Virtua Racing). Works like a charm so far! Don't think I'm going to convert everything for awhile, but it's great to see it working so well already!

My Magic Knight Rayearth save was also recognized without issue when replacing the old bin/cue version with the CHD version. Not surprising, but still good know everything is working as expected.

[drifting frigate]

I made a tool to do the conversion so I'm just going to run it on a copy of the directory and keep both on my NAS for now. Once CHD is fully proven, I'll finally bin the....well...bins.

G'bye processor. See you in a few hours. :/

[celest iris]

i am converting everything, eff it

i'll just confirm any bugs with people

[drifting frigate]

Yeah.... melt that i9 CHDMAN.

[open glen]

If anyone is like me and has all their saturn files in unique directories for each game, instead of copy/pasting them into a single location you can put chdman.exe in the parent directory then put this in a bat file:

for /d /r %%i in (*) do (cd "%%i" & for /r %%j in (*.cue, *.gdi, *.iso) do ..\chdman createcd -i "%%j" -o "%%~nj.chd")

that will go through each sub directory and create a chd for any .cue, .gdi, or .iso file it finds

[drifting frigate]

Yeah, that's what my c# form thingy does. It just lets you drag and drop and I'm super lazy so I like it. But definitely, if you have them organized, use a bash like the one above!

It's SOOO much nicer than trying to reorganize them after the fact.

[warped cliff]

oh wow, is this an entire rompack?

[drifting frigate]

It's a few of them merged, personal rips, homebrew...it's kind of a hodgepodge.

[ancient fractal]

Not sure how much an impact it really had but the LZMA compression which chdman usually opts for for data hunks is much more CPU heavy then regular plain zlib.. -i cdzl,cdfl makes chdman only use zlib and flac.

[warped cliff]

man, I would love it if you started a CHD archive.

[drifting frigate]

I would look into it. But my upload is 20mbps. I'd pretty much have to sneaker net it to someone else's house. Hehe.

[drifting frigate]

Decompression happens on the HPS right? I guess it would potentially save cycles for 96khz audio at least.....

[ancient fractal]

Yep, HPS side

[drifting frigate]

I think I read that it gets pretty close to capacity with 96khz enabled.

[ancient fractal]

Why would a CD image have 96kHz audio though?

[drifting frigate]

It wouldn't.

[ancient fractal]

Ah gotcha now

[drifting frigate]

But the processing happens on the out so if it's enabled, it's enabled I believe.

[warped saddle]

it has nothing to do with HPS

[drifting frigate]

I've never touched it (my ears aren't really good at all).

OK, good to know.

[ancient fractal]

Audio resampling for HDMI out surely happens on the FPGA

[drifting frigate]

OK, cool. Thanks for clarifiying. Since it's a mister.ini setting I think there was some confusion.

[ancient fractal]

Anyway zakk would probably know if LZMA in CHDs have a meaningful overhead diff compared to zlib

I just saw some talk of it many months ago

[warped saddle]

it starts to have an impact when trying to do stuff like the psx core's 6x/8x cdrom speed

probably won't matter for simple 1x/2x cdrom

[minor shale]

Yesss... I did this a few months back to a 1G1R set I put together and have been patiently waiting for CHD support. :}

The time is now!

[drifting frigate]

I'm going to use this as justification for buying a water block. I was throttling at ~98℃ on my old cooler. Now I'm just kissing the upper 80s. Yeah. That's the ticket. Confirmed my biases and unsunk my costs!

[celest iris]

i aggressively undervolt everything for that reason

[drifting crown]

Question for the room: is there a technical reason the Saturn core is fussy about bios and disc regions? The psx core for example seems very region agnostic.

[drifting frigate]

It's probably a fit/polish issue toward the end. A region free bios helps a lot (though you may still need to reboot occasionally, but first run is usually totally solid with RF).

[drifting crown]

Yeah, I found (dumped from my hisaturn) the region free bios so all good once I actually set the core to USA region.

Just gonna stick to only ntsc-u images for now

[drifting frigate]

(fit is the wrong word to use since it's an FPGA, but fit as in fit and finish)

[drifting crown]

Annoyingly my old cheap play sega usb pad doesn’t work with mister. Gonna have to get a m30 I suppose

[mortal mist]

M30 is great

[gloomy hedge]

Yeah back to this @naive whale

You were gonna help me w this shit

What this mean

[gloomy hedge]

Just got one comin in the mail. Better be good. 😝

[drifting crown]

Things like automatic region handling will be done at the end when the core is polished up.

[gloomy hedge]

I dont care about that

[drifting crown]

Making it shiny and smooth 🙂

[gloomy hedge]

I usually set my region myself

im tryna figure out what bios everybody usin

cuz im using hisaturn 1.02

[drifting crown]

Hi Saturn v1.02

[gloomy hedge]

and I dunno what the consensus is

oh

that simple then 🙂 thats all I needed I guess

NEVERMIND BACON

[drifting crown]

It’s the recommended one for now

[gloomy hedge]

ye

thats all I wanted to confirm haha

then we good fam

[drifting crown]

We good

[gloomy hedge]

yeah I dont mind setting the region, its like, I dunno, its part of the ritual

[drifting crown]

o/

[gloomy hedge]

I get myself into that " okay I am sitting with my japanese saturn "

"what disc am I gonna insert"

I get all imaginative

[drifting crown]

I have taken to putting my images in different region folders

[gloomy hedge]

I used to do that as well!

but im not doin it rn for saturn

[drifting crown]

Reminds me what region to set the core to

[gloomy hedge]

indeed haha

I only have like 5 USA games or somethin

so its not too hard for me

[drifting crown]

I only have USA images for now

[gloomy hedge]

99% japanese shmup and then USA loosies like Sega Rally, Daytona, Die Hard Arcade, and oh I dunno, fuckin ... random shit

manxtt superbike, which right now sounds like chipmunk audio and I love it

it sounds like someone is circuitbending the fuckin saturn

[drifting crown]

Man-x Tt is awesome

The Saturn had a much better library than the mega drive

[brisk ice]

Is someone still experiencing direct crash of the core? I have 2 mister and in my older one, i never succeed in launching the core. It has 128m sdram which support neogeo badapple but the memory test is around 130mhz max, iirc. On my newer one, there is no such pb.

[warped cliff]

does having them in the same directory also serve for save functionality across multiple discs?

[warped saddle]

I think so, it at least looks like that's what main is attempting to do

[warped cliff]

thats kind of a big deal 😄

thats how it works for PSX so I figured it would be the same for Saturn

[celest iris]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pzlz5WElRHM

the heck

just saw that scroll by on the copy

sadly not ported to the US

that was a joke because these are japanese hits

i assume

[warped cliff]

yeah how would you port old Japanese love songs to US

[celest iris]

also karaoke is dumb

also playboy is cringe

but still glad the game existed!

[warped cliff]

at lot of 90s Japanese stuff was cringe tbf

[celest iris]

i did go through a huge playboy interview phase at my local library awhile back

they released them in book form

and honestly they are amazing

[warped cliff]

https://youtu.be/_wFmQU4IStg?si=L2YNcAYD7B04GZ3f

[drifting frigate]

Wait until you find the Yakyuu Ken game... strip Janken.

One of the VGE viewers hit us with that one... :/

[celest iris]

i am only up to S

[warped cliff]

🤣

[pearl harbor]

It wasn't me! I swear!

[drifting frigate]

HAH

[open swan]

the only 96khz thing going on is the audio_out module in the framework, it's 48khz normally but if you have hdmi_audio_96k set to 1 in the MiSTer.ini it will be 96khz instead. but that's after hps has already sent the samples to the fpga core and the core has already simulated outputting audio from it

that was mainly for more favorable aliasing for weird output rates like 32khz

[trim nimbus]

haha, I mentioned it, only because it also exists on the 3DO

[ancient fractal]

I had to double check if this behaviour was changed, but at least for me I get one individual save file per disc, with a file layout like this:

├── Policenauts (Japan) [T-En v1.0.1]
│   ├── Policenauts (Japan) [T-En v1.0.1] [Disc 1].chd
│   ├── Policenauts (Japan) [T-En v1.0.1] [Disc 2].chd
│   └── Policenauts (Japan) [T-En v1.0.1] [Disc 3].chd

This is running latest main and core from today with the CHD support.

[celest iris]

96khz sounded audibly better to me when i compared

and yeah cd resampling is complicated, helps to just move the noise up

[open swan]

it should be not very perceptible aside from if you have a decent pair of headphones and it really depends on the core

[celest iris]

bro i got big speakers bro

and yes, it does

[open swan]

yeah it is more apparent on my headphones and on my one good pair of speakers

[celest iris]

if you can run 96khz i don't know of any downsides though

[open swan]

potentially you can get distortions, ringing, etc.. but the iir filtering seems to do a good job of keeping that out

[celest iris]

i chose my headphone dac because it has an fpga, true story

[drifting frigate]

My film camera has an FPGA (2, one for OS one for video decoding).

[open swan]

at home --> https://motu.com/en-us/products/m-series/m4/ and on the go --> https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/hidizs-sonata-hd-dac-cable.23421/reviews. definitely overkill

[drifting frigate]

The world will be FPGA top to bottom soon....

[wheat citrus]

CHDs work now or do we need a core update?

[drifting frigate]

Dayum!

[open swan]

you need to update to the latest mister unstable main binary

[mortal mist]

yes core + unstable mister main

[open swan]

#unstable-nightlies message

[wheat citrus]

any drawbacks currently with CHDs?

[open swan]

none known and zakk tested it quite a bit before he made the change

[celest iris]

NO

[pearl harbor]

I've only tested three games so far, and nothing that I've noticed.

[celest iris]

my answer was funnier

[wheat citrus]

excellent, well I guess its load up all the games time vs just testing a few before CHD happened

[drifting frigate]

We love @warped saddle ! Seriously, this is one of the coolest advancements so far in the core.

[wheat citrus]

yeah this is amazing

like I said, its load up CHDs and fill up my SD card time now

[celest iris]

really just a nice thing for mister overall

[pearl harbor]

Fill up dat SD card!

[celest iris]

i don't even care about space as much as neatness

[wheat citrus]

might grab a 1tb now from amazon lol

$79 for the Sandisk extreme

[drifting frigate]

cuebinbinbinbinbinbinbinbinbinbin -> chd

Yeah..it's sweet.

[pearl harbor]

Yeah, space isn't an issue for me either. But it's really nice to have less file clutter.

[mortal mist]

yes, includes all previous changes

[celest iris]

and it gets replaced by a later official release

[open swan]

it's basically just the latest version with the latest commit to this repo applied --> https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer/

[celest iris]

it could probably be an update_all option at this point stable vs latest

[open swan]

meh, i wouldn't want that

[celest iris]

i know

[open swan]

an update could be pushed out that makes it unusable hehe

[celest iris]

then people would have to put on their big boy pants and copy over stable!

i can't tell if that's still ok to say

[wheat citrus]

well for n64 controllers to work well you gotta still use unstable mister/zimage_dtb

[drifting frigate]

Big boy pants
Thinko Jincos

[open swan]

yeah, that's the linux image. those releases are rolled out more slowly of course

[sudden tusk]

CHOAD files work now

[drifting frigate]

Substantial!

(particularly file count)

[ornate thorn]

I have this one, it's unironically kinda comfortable

[dense hill]

omg chds are working??

are they working with similar compatibility?

aka, can I go crunch all my files right now

also what tool do I use. also if I already extracted all the zips is that correct or do I need them zipped up first

[ripe sonnet]

I cannot for the life of me get saves for Policenauts working. After a power cycle, the saves are not available in the game. They are available in the sdcard, so the mister is saving them, but idk why after a power cycle the Saturn core wont pick them up.

[native dagger]

I believe people generally use chdman with a .bat file

Somebody may be able to give you it

[dense hill]

I believe I found it

https://wiki.recalbox.com/en/tutorials/utilities/rom-conversion/chdman

assuming this is correct

hmm I am a little apprehensive about chding all my saturn files until I've heard a few more people say that yeah the games work fine. because I am on the road with my laptop and limited disc space and I can't keep it both compressed and uncompressed, I will have to compress then delete

and it took 2 months to download the saturn library lol

[celest iris]

what's dial up like these days?

[drifting frigate]

I'd just hold off until you have enough space to keep both around or at least archive your bin/cues for a while. But....that being said you can always go back (chdman extractcd) in the future. Just more time. Unless you absolutely positively need more space right now, both work fine so you could 'play it safe.'

[celest iris]

how is AOL these days? should have gone with that

[dense hill]

the only good place I could find a comprehensive list was on archive.is which.. yeah literally is like dial up speeds

[celest iris]

same, but i used the torrent

couple hours

[dense hill]

I kinda positively need more space because I am out of country, all I have here is a 1tb usb stick and a 256gb sd card

[celest iris]

archive's download speeds are strangely erratic

[dense hill]

sd will hold cores, roms, arcade stuff

but for ps1 library + saturn + some dos games I will really need that compression to fit it in 1tb

[celest iris]

in fairness the torrent might have been hopping because the core just got added officially

[dense hill]

for me archive's download speeds are between like 100 and 250 kbps consistently

[drifting frigate]

Well, yeah you can always go back to bin/cue. However it will binmerge your files so you'll get one bin out of multibin games, but that being said, it's reversable.

[dense hill]

okay interesting, so I can just do it

just to make sure I did this right, because my mister isn't here until tomorrow

does this chd appear to be the correct size for 2do aru koto wa sando r?

(was just the first file in my list)

[drifting frigate]

Lemme check mine. But ~1/2 is generally about right.

27, 282 is what I have.

[dense hill]

okay fantastic

right, I guess I'll risk it for a chocolate biscuit then

and if it doesn't work.. guess I'll be playing ps1 games instead haha

yeah the extraction did get the files out again as 1 bin

dunno the implication of only having one bin

[drifting frigate]

It's generally not a problem. In fact, for specific applications (PCE-CD on Pocket in example) it's preferred.

[dense hill]

pity it can't write a little xml file that says how many .bin files it originally split up and how big they were so it could just separate them

[drifting frigate]

BUT I can't say it won't be a problem 100%. I haven't tested the library.

[dense hill]

yeah

well, if anyone has time to test saturn bomberman lol

that is currently the only saturn game I'm even aware of

I have never seen a saturn irl or tried to emulate one

[drifting frigate]

Saturn Bomberman worked last I checked. A lot of games are a little quiet, but that has nothing to do with the media type.

[dense hill]

dope

[drifting frigate]

Yeah, just tried chd for bomberman and it worked perfectly.

[wheat citrus]

super excited to see this core and n64 get closer and closer to being near stable/complete

[dense hill]

okay I made a risky batch file

which makes the chd then nukes the rest of the contents of the directory upon success

appears to work absolutely correctly

[naive whale]

PCE-CD on pocket is just not been going well for me

[dense hill]

it's so weird.. that when I run the batch file, even the one supplied, it starts from M instead of A

[drifting frigate]

It's not ready for prime time. "a firmware is coming" is something I've heard. It's still better than nothing, but a lot of poorly synced music, some bad animations, lots of stutters. Again, not complaining. It's kind of nuts we even have that. But it just sort of hit a wall and from what I've heard - completely hearsay, nothing from the dev directly - it's waiting on Analogue.

[naive whale]

Waiting on Analogue is basically the entire user experience with anything from them

[wise brook]

Analogue: hurry up & wait.

[lusty rapids]

pre order & wait, get item & wait [for fw updates]

[dense hill]

I guess I'm lucky that I don't care for handhelds haha

maybe in like 5 years I will get an fpga handheld for my kids so I can give them something on the road that isn't a smartphone to play on

[high bramble]

I would like to thank this @ripe valley person, but apparently no one knows him. 😏

[ripe sonnet]

Just a heads up, for anyone having save data issues. The latest unstable nightly fixed mine.

[native dagger]

That's wild. I'm always amazed by the people putting in the work here

[high bramble]

Small world.

[wheat citrus]

is there a list of fighter games on the saturn that arent on the mister yet via the arcade? (2d fighters)

[drifting frigate]

Power Instinct 2

There are a few for sure. Groove On Fight, Astra...

And of course some of the games have more content than the arcade.

Rabbit. Asuka...

Here's a good list if you want to manually compare, though. https://www.racketboy.com/retro/sega-saturn-2d-fighters-library

I think it's basically an exor with capcom and SNK(again, some of the saturn discs have more content though)

[wheat citrus]

Thank you

[serene thunder]

this is what i grabbed for the jp stuff
probably missed some

Make sure you get Techno Motor, haha
You'll be raving

[warm fjord]

i love this game

[trim nimbus]

Do stv fighting games count?

[glass aurora]

now that the Saturn core is out of Unstable Nightlies, and has an Official release, will there still be a Discord feed that tracks updated releases?

[ancient surge]

It's still going to get unstable builds periodically, since there are still miscellaneous issues that need to be fixed. Being an official core just means it's in the main distribution and is in a stable enough state that you can play through games.

[plush jetty]

OMFG, can’t believe Saturn is a main core now! Did an update all, grabbed the rbf for 10/11 above, the dropped in chds, but every time I try to open a chd it kicks me back to the cd menu with no option to play, did I miss something?

[trim nimbus]

Chds aren’t official yet

Main core currently only supports cue/bin

[plush jetty]

Ahhh, I’ll chill out for now, thank you for the quick response

[native dagger]

You'll need this guy #unstable-nightlies message

Then you can load chds

[high bramble]

Loads of them!

[plush jetty]

Thanks so much, given my limited free time and multiple small children, I will just try to be more patient 🤪

[native dagger]

I totally understand 😆

[quick sorrel]

Does your MiSTer also need to be on unstable to use that rbf?

[plush jetty]

Was impressed to see that Sexy Parodius now runs great, hells yeah!

[native dagger]

I don't believe so. That unstable is just so it can load chd

[plush jetty]

Not that I’m overly focused on the former, but I’m all about the latter (i.e. Parodius)

[quick sorrel]

Nice. Gonna try that tonight.

Oh, does it need to be renamed or where does the unstable file go then? In the consoles folder?

[plush jetty]

Insane to see the progress on this core over just the last year

[native dagger]

It replaces the MiSTer file in your /media/fat folder. What you can do is rename that file to MiSTer.bak and put this new one in place as just "MiSTer"

[burnt matrix]

Sorry on vacation. Finally got to doing this. Updated the Latest Core pin with a direct link to your post - #1046941029296779344 message

[pearl harbor]

Robby on vacation!? How dare you have fun without the rest of us!

[quick sorrel]

Thx. I’ll give it a go 👍

To clarify, the new MiSTer won’t have an extension, right?

[prime hare]

SATURN HIT MAIN! LET'S GO!!!

[burnt matrix]

oh wow I had no idea!

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Distribution_MiSTer/tree/main/_Console

Damn that’s amazing.

[high bramble]

How could you not know this?! This was hours ago!

[warped saddle]

sub-par moderator

[high bramble]

He said this was his favorite console. Now I'm questioning everything... 😦

[prime hare]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer

[burnt matrix]

lol damn was it really hours ago? I only found out because @prime hare posted it haha.

[zinc vine]

oh

salamander 2 works? does not work

well im doing it now update all

[gloomy hedge]

It runs perfectly for sure

Also Rabbit runs

And that's real fun

[quick sorrel]

Q: if we start using the unstable core, do the individual Saturn (and N64) cores need separate updates? Do you need to delete the old manually installed cores as well?

[ancient surge]

Damn I shaved off a lot of gigabytes by converting everything to CHD

[burnt matrix]

People have made update scripts for the unstable updates for both those cores. Check each channel’s pins for them.

[quick sorrel]

Okay. So use the unstable MiSTer core and then still use the updaters. Got it.

[zinc vine]

now we need implementation snac

[ancient surge]

One nitpick I have with the CHD build is that you can't just swap games whenever. You need to reset, and then select the game.

[quick sorrel]

That seems like something that would eventually be remedied doesn’t it?

[burnt matrix]

Probably

[thorn pagoda]

someone reported that on the merge request too

[warped saddle]

you need to put each chd in its own directory

just like other cores

[thorn pagoda]

oh thats what it is

[burnt matrix]

oh is that the issue?

[thorn pagoda]

yeah good point zakk, thanks for reminding us

[warped saddle]

same directory: no reset, so you can swap multi-disc games

[burnt matrix]

right!

[warped saddle]

if you have only a single chd in a directory, it will auto pick when you navigate the directory, so it isn't any more button pushing in the UI

[burnt matrix]

It’ll be great to finally CHD all my Saturn games when I get back home.

[zinc vine]

question what the differences?

[burnt matrix]

Smaller file size and instead of multiple files it’s just one

[thorn pagoda]

the compression rate can be remarkable often too 60%+

[wise brook]

have you, for example, booted disk two, had the game ask for disk one, swapped the .chd file and had the game respond to the change automatically.
like on ps1 with ff7 for example

[warped saddle]

I think the psx core is specifically coded to recognized disk swaps automatically? I think it toggles the drive open/close?

[thorn pagoda]

yeah its a feature the core needs to implement i think, not sure anyones really tried it on saturn

[wise brook]

that would explain the non-response of Deathmask when I tried

[thorn pagoda]

there are a few multi-disc games

[wise brook]

there's one 8 disk game

[thorn pagoda]

oh yeah its an fmv game right

[wise brook]

yep

[thorn pagoda]

probably worth raising a github issue for it

though i expect srg320 probably has it on their todo list already

[eternal wasp]

what does the bios have to be renamed to and is it put in the games folder?

[open glen]

boot.rom I believe

[eternal wasp]

ok i have a bad bios then

thanks

[open glen]

yeah, just doubled checked, my bios is boot.rom and it's in the Saturn file under /media/fat/games/Saturn

it's automatically loaded when I pull up the Saturn core

[quick sorrel]

So put all 4 CHDs of PDS in the same folder to allow disc swapping, yeah?

[open glen]

then each of my games are in dedicated folder that I placed in a subfolder I named "games"

so my game "cockwork knight" is at "/media/fat/games/Saturn/games/CLOCKWORK_KNIGHT"

what makes you think your bios is bad?

[eternal wasp]

it won't load the a game and i dont get the typical saturn flying space ship

[open glen]

does it autoload your bios when you laod the saturn core?

[eternal wasp]

doesn't seem that way

[open glen]

do you have just bios.rom in the Saturn directory?

[eternal wasp]

oh wait now its working

yeah it was

i was resetting the core and not the system

i thought resetting the core would reload the bios

apparently not

[open glen]

when I first load my core i get this:

Then I pull up the menu

select *.cue

[eternal wasp]

wth im not getting that. and cd_bios not found when loading a game

[open glen]

and when I select the game folder

that is boot.bin

should be boot.rom

after I select the game folder it quickly loads my .chd file

[zinc vine]

there no audio issues if you compressed or game?

[thorn pagoda]

its all lossless compression

[zinc vine]

i want to do it but takes too much time

[eternal wasp]

changed it to boot.rom and still no space ship, loading the game also gives an error

[open glen]

did you set your region to match the bios you have?

I believe it defaults to japan?

Here I've set my region to USA

[eternal wasp]

Yeah I did that and forgot to make changes, like a dumb ass so when I restarted it went away

it's working now

thanks for your help 🙂

[open glen]

😘

glad I was able to pass the help forward

[zinc vine]

region free bios work as well

[rugged river]

it's beautiful, my compliments to the cook

[open glen]

I'll have to look for that, I have a 1.01a USA bios

[winter phoenix]

Miss a day, miss a lot in the high-speed world of Sega Saturn

[native dagger]

I know everyone was wondering, Quarterback Attack with Mike Ditka is perfectly playable

[rugged river]

the audio is a bit low isn't it?

[mortal mist]

Yes , a known issue with some games

[sacred goblet]

For multiple disc game like panzer dragoon saga is there a way to have one entry in the list?

[open glen]

I asked that earlier today and was told, "no. for multi-disc games put them all in the same directory, and when you need to swap discs mount the 'next' one
putting them in the same directory prevents main from issuing a reset to the console"

[native dagger]

I played a random bunch of games and they all turned out to be fmv, anime, or both. Saturn must have the weirdest library of that generation

[sacred goblet]

Ok thanks!

[sacred goblet]

Mister_unstable_nightly is the project with unstable repos right?

[mortal mist]

yes

https://github.com/MiSTer-unstable-nightlies

[pearl harbor]

Been a long time since I tested Die Hard Arcade. I can't remember if it didn't have any sound effects before or not? It's just music, but no sound effects.

Ah never mind, just noticed that someone already listed it as an issue on the github.

[mortal mist]

yeah, this game is super fun

[subtle seal]

Saw the Saturn core officially hit main, great job to srg as always!

[sacred goblet]

In the saturn repo of unstable project i dont see the commit about chd. Normally all commit are made to unstable project before no?

[earnest ginkgo]

Does that mean update_all will grab it now?

[mortal mist]

yes

[subtle seal]

Yup!

[earnest ginkgo]

Great cheers. Another noob question, will the core now be split into stable and unstable releases? Or will update_all always grab the latest version?

[mortal mist]

it was moved to the official , all the changes will be there now

[earnest ginkgo]

You're not Zophar from Zophar's Domain by any chance?

[earnest ginkgo]

Excellent, thanks again. Time to get chdman'ing!

[mortal mist]

#1046941029296779344 message you need unstable main and core for CHD

[earnest ginkgo]

Indeed, cheers. I guess this depracates @tough star's Saturn update script now too. That was handy as it updated unstable main at the same time. Is there a simple script I can run to update to unstable main?

Actually maybe I could pillage the syntax from that script to do it

[subtle seal]

Indeed

[earnest ginkgo]

Dude, you've been helping me for 20+ years I'd say. A legend of the scene 🫡

[tall radish]

even if saturn core is in main now?

[subtle seal]

Appreciate the support! Lately I've been busy working on a youtube retrospective series of my time at the beginning in the 90s... won't be too long now before episode 1 drops. it's been fun looking back.

[mortal mist]

there is no new core with the changes made yet

and no official mister main with changes

just because there are changes to the repo , does not mean that the core immediately appears

mostly more changes are made and then there is an official release , you can download via update_all

core compiled here is so that we can test new features before the official release, rather nothing new

by update_all you are currently downloading core from October 10 , no changes for chd and video offset

[earnest ginkgo]

Oh I'll definitely look forward to that 😎

[tall radish]

CHDs do work though

Will SNAC also bi implemented into the public release?

[mortal mist]

core 20231010 with unstable main ?

[fallen terrace]

ORLY?

[fallen terrace]

Eventually

[tall radish]

jep

[tall radish]

are you implementing SNAC?

[mortal mist]

@warped saddle Was this change in the code for the core required https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/commit/12c3ab9848ed7dab12706780e9e855440a68fe66 or is the change in mister main to handle CHD for Saturn enough ?

[fallen terrace]

I'm not. Someone has mentioned it in the last couple days.

[mortal mist]

@inner token is the snac master 🙂

[willow pawn]

Afaik its needed so the core would list chd files as loadable, but maybe I'm wrong

That's the maximal extent of it through

[mortal mist]

that's why I wanted to verify it

anyway , if there was a change in the code then I prefer to have it and use it 🙂

[tall radish]

i know, that is why i asked robby. maybe he knows if blue1 is already on it.

[ocean oxide]

with mine coming build from RetroCastle it will work very well with a few games?

[fallen terrace]

Yeah, looks like just adding file type support

[willow pawn]

Its either that or Just the CHD text in menu, but I think its filetype

[tall radish]

Could be. Nevertheless with the latest Mister unstable CHD works with the first public release.

BTW, is this public release single or dual RAM?

[mortal mist]

single

[tall radish]

Will there be a dual release also or will it not be necessary?

[mortal mist]

we will see

I do not see a difference in performance , ie I have not found anything in my set of games

[tall radish]

doesn't public release mean that all games should work? That would mean that a dual RAM setup is not needed. Like the PSX core.

[mortal mist]

saturn it's a beta core / WIP

not finished yet

[tall radish]

oh ok, i thought public release was finished cores only

[mortal mist]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer#status

the author also himself gave a list of games that do not work well , he is also aware of the sound problems

[warped cliff]

it absolutely doesn't mean that. even the psx core doesn't run 100% of the games. I think the SNES core doesn't run the two games which use a rather bizarre chip.

betas are typically considered public releases, generally for the purpose of public testing. The big difference now is that people can report issues in the repo.

[hallow fossil]

This is exciting that the core is now in Main, that's a really positive move. I haven't looked at the core in a long time, how are BIOS files set up now? Are there multiple boot.rom files for the different regions with the ability to swap, or does it autoswap like on PSX/N64?

[frail token]

Also, does update_all bios getting grab bios for this

[mortal mist]

one bios can be used for now, boot.rom

manual change of region in OSD

solution for now use region free bios

I think this is an area for improvement

[hallow fossil]

Right, is there a preferred BIOS we should all be using? I didn'r see any mention on the readme or the FAQ

[mortal mist]

I have checked all that are listed as working and they work fine

with the one exception that the EUR bios has a problem with sound

but works with games

so it's more of a user decision which one to choose

[high bramble]

As far as region-free is concerned, there are two in particular from TOSEC that seem to have high compatibility:

Sega Saturn BIOS v1.01 (1995)(Sega)(JP)(M6)[h]

Hitachi Hi-Saturn BIOS v1.02 (1995)(Hitachi - Sega)(JP)(M6)[h]

([h] according to their naming convention means hacked, which in this case means region-free)

[mortal mist]

if there are any differences in performance it's not for my game set , but I haven't tested all the games that have been released

[hallow fossil]

I am wondering if now it is in Main we should get a BIOS added to the BIOS DB so everyone running update all gets it

[dense hill]

@warped cliff are the two snes games super mario rpg and starfox

[warped cliff]

nope

[hallow fossil]

No, it's two Shogi games that use ST011 and ST018 special chips

Two games you would likely never play, unless you know Japanese and play Shogi

[dense hill]

oh are those the ones with AI built into the chip

[hallow fossil]

Yeah, pretty much

[dense hill]

like the chip is for the bots I mean

[hallow fossil]

ST011 is potentially doable, but ST018 is like an ARM chip on there or something daft

[dense hill]

what if you had the real cartridge, coould you plug it into mister

with some kind of cartridge reader

[hallow fossil]

No, that's not how MiSTer works

[dense hill]

I thought it was just simulating the actual hardware, so if you had a snes cartridge port thhat was implemented it would just read it

[hallow fossil]

We don't support cart readers and it's not built to ever work like that

[dense hill]

fair I see

[dense hill]

hahaa

[warped cliff]

unless it's a cart reader that works as usb storage containing the dumped rom. then it kinda works.

[dense hill]

is that just because no one has implemented cart readers or is there some hardware limitation

[lusty rapids]

yeah theoretically you could dump a rom from a cart and run it, or have a cart that is USB inside, but really no way to address the special chip inside the cart

[dense hill]

it's interesting that you can plug a real gameboy into the mister with a link cable and that works but I guess the data format is a lot simpler

I see

[lusty rapids]

that's just a special serial

and snac has enough pins to support the gb cable

for a cart reader that'd take up the gpio pins probably

[warped cliff]

it's just not the way the MiSTer project is designed though

[dense hill]

is that why there's no gba reader, snac bandwidth?

[lusty rapids]

that too

[dense hill]

I mean link cable wise

[warped cliff]

yeah snac is quite limited

[lusty rapids]

IIRC there could be a way to wire up the GBA ext port to snac, but no one has bothered

GBA ext port has... 6? used pins I think

the snac connector has more than enough to support that, and I think technically the ext port exists internally for the gba2p core. Someone "just" needs to wire it up

[thorn pagoda]

yeah rob even said if someone wanted to make all the hardware and do testing he would do the code

[pine bobcat]

With the 2 player GBA core there is less need for that type of solution
But it would be neat to connect to real hardware

[thorn pagoda]

it would be nice

can you get the gba link cable port as a part even though?

oh, yeah pretty easy to findhttps://catskullelectronics.com/products/gba-gbc-link-port

its 3.3v same as mister itself so i think that simplifies things

[modern shuttle]

So using CHD's requires unstable? Ive got the new core from update_all but CHD isn't an option to load

[mortal mist]

yes , you need unstable main for now

#unstable-nightlies message

[modern shuttle]

Thanks very much

[modern shuttle]

Done and working for CHD's. Saved me a bunch of space. I know this is still beta and it's already fantastic but once CRT geometry is fixed up it will be incredible

[mortal mist]

@modern shuttle it;s fixed 🙂

#1046941029296779344 message

try this core

[naive whale]

popped a Saturn vid up under share media

[native dagger]

here's some interesting glitching in the Slam Dunk game if anyone wants to confirm

[open swan]

Yes, it does if the other discs are in the same folder.

[modern shuttle]

Unreal. This community is amazing. Fixed and working. I assume this version and newer will be added with update_all or do I need to keep an eye out in here for latest builds?

[mortal mist]

yes it's merged

Thanks to @kind stump for fixing this ❤️

[modern shuttle]

Incredible work. When I ran update all 30 mins ago I go the 231010 version. This 231011 has fixed basically everything

[mortal mist]

yes this will all be included in the next official core

[inner token]

Saturn snac code I want to try and rewrite to save some space. GBA link I did some experiments with the same board used for GB linking and got some stuff working but not everything. I need to revisit, but don't want to promise anything. I never called dibs on it though if it's so easy to "just" hook up 🙂

[eager solstice]

Hey y'all, I thought the core was still in beta?

[wise brook]

yeah

[mortal mist]

yes, it's beta

[eager solstice]

So it's on main but still in beta?

[mortal mist]

yes correct

testing time

[eager solstice]

Gotcha

[naive whale]

the core not being done but being in update_all is gonna lead to some interesting comments here and on YT asking why X doesn't work

[gloomy hedge]

Honestly this is gonna confuse everyone lol

[tall radish]

is there a googel sheets list for testing results?

[gloomy hedge]

Lol jinx

I'm already seeing in other forums how folks are like "wow it's here!"

And I'm like "cool, it's the same as the one you have but easier to get"

And they're like "oh"

Should have used the word beta in the announcements

[tall radish]

search for this one. the best bios WW and region free with the coolest startup screen:

Saturn v1.01a (WW-RF).bin

[pine bobcat]

Wind Waker

[mortal mist]

yes, not many people visit github , there is a clear status of the core

[gloomy hedge]

Mhm

[dense hill]

retromister, I can only find one site with that bios and it's a french forum you have to register for, is that the one?

[gloomy hedge]

I'm def using like hisaturn 1.03 btw and not this haha

[gloomy hedge]

No

[tall radish]

is the hisaturn 1.03 region free?

that has one ugly boot screen though

[gloomy hedge]

Agreed

Zero nostalgia boot screen unfortunately

I have a version that is region free but all that does is make it so you don't have to change region in the menu

[mortal mist]

but I agree it creates confusion

[gloomy hedge]

That's what we're both saying

Should be clear the core is in beta. Your favorite game / mister may not work yet haha

[exotic path]

@mortal mist Feels like you guys are working overtime on this core, pins already updated and excited to try CHD support, I know MikeS's YC support is fantastic ❤️

[tall radish]

Which RAM fork is it pulling?

single

[gloomy hedge]

@tall radish I hope once we're further along I'll be able to get my good boot screen back

[tall radish]

which one?

[gloomy hedge]

The one from my childhood

Not hisaturn crap

Regular Saturn

With the right sound

[tall radish]

this is MY nostalgia boot screen

[gloomy hedge]

Yes same one

I am on hisaturn right now tho cuz it works and I don't want to fuck with it lol

[tall radish]

you can find it in archive.org as part of a redump collection from a user named joaquinito2051

[gloomy hedge]

This is a core where when things work, you don't mess with it, for now...

[dense hill]

thankyou

[tall radish]

use the one i mentioned, WW, region free and with this bootup.

[dense hill]

wait so, aktane are you saying yours has better compatibility in your experience?

or retro's is betteer

[exotic path]

@gloomy hedge Try it tho cuz I use it and it is working well for me

[gloomy hedge]

I don't know

[dense hill]

what does ww mean

[gloomy hedge]

It keeps changing

[tall radish]

World Wide

[dense hill]

ah

[exotic path]

Boats and hoes, WW

[gloomy hedge]

I'll try it! @exotic path can you DM it to me

For me most games boot but it's just sound issues

I don't think it's worth tinkering right now tho, I would wait for the core further along personally

[exotic path]

Mm I know you're a shmupper like me and will say I'm not getting sound for RS

[mortal mist]

generally there is a problem with the sound in games , this is not the fault of the bios

[exotic path]

But who knows about the memory aspect

[tall radish]

sent

[gloomy hedge]

Nor cotton etc.

[gloomy hedge]

Ty fam! I'll do some testing

Maybe nowadays the compatibility is same across bios? And it's just were waiting for sound issues mostly

[exotic path]

I woulda but ty @tall radish

[dense hill]

hmm I think I found the redump list

[exotic path]

Yes cotton as well

[dense hill]

(202204)

[tall radish]

jep

[dense hill]

but I can't see the core, unless it's amongst the games

what letter does it start with

[mortal mist]

I tested my game set with different bios and there was no difference , but it's me

[tall radish]

it's a zip with "S"

[dense hill]

oh is it inside Goodies

right right

[exotic path]

My experience since the YC update has been to test Battle Garegga and not be able to stop testing it lol

[dense hill]

Region Free [Hack]?

[exotic path]

Yes

[dense hill]

and tthen it's the one called V-Saturn 1.01 region free?

I see there is usa region free jpn region free and eur regionfree

[tall radish]

i sent i to you

i think it's gone in that pack. i found it in the comments of a reddit post

[dense hill]

thanks so much

[exotic path]

My stupid question is I don't like running update_all as I curate things a lot and just want the update

Is there a manual way

Just on mister github, yes?

[thorn pagoda]

yeah its in the releases folder on the saturn repo

[tall radish]

for you all that want the whole RegionFree BIOS pack you search on google for this:
Sega Saturn BIOS - Region Free [Hack].zip

Klick on a second level reddit post called:
Region Free BIOS Download Link?

and in there you will find at the bottom of the comments a google drive link.

thanks me later

[exotic path]

I used @kuba 's pinned build for now, but moving forward I can get it from main Sat repo and it will have MikeS's YC fixes integrated?

Was getting it from MikeS github before for my CRT

[mortal mist]

Europe BIOS has a different sound 🙂 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MSK_wNe0M8 , but it's not correct in core anyway

[mortal mist]

all fixes will be included in next official build

YC + CHD and more

[exotic path]

Cool TYSM

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/more-gif-19861086

[mortal mist]

srg320 certainly doesn't sleep , he creates 😛

will be more

[tall radish]

this is the japanese i think

[gloomy hedge]

oh you're also a curator dang 🙂 I just recently 2 years in switched to update_all cuz im like meh i grow tired

[tall radish]

i also curate all my rom collections. i don't need 31billion games. i have 2 misters with 512gb each and still space left 😉

[tough star]

yup

[dense hill]

wow I have done half my games and saved 150gb

[tall radish]

here for your nostalgic ears:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=Iv5uBN76zls&ab_channel=jp-video-games

[exotic path]

I find curation helps me to familiarize myself with the catalogue better. Never grew up with Saturn but there are quality games to play 👍

Without any nostalgia I would say JP bios is most aesthetically pleasing 🙂

[exotic path]

Doing mine now 🙂

[pine tundra]

Hello guys, anyone.else have this problem? Core is not centrered on my crt...

[exotic path]

Check pins for YC build and or/CHD build

[exotic path]

Will be included in next official build

[tough star]

chdman time!!

#!/bin/bash    
echo "--- BIN/CUE to CHD Converter ---"

cpus=8
echo "- Using $cpus CPUs to crunch those bits"

shopt -s globstar
for file in **/*.cue; do

gameName="$(basename "$file" .cue)"

echo "----------------------------------"
echo "- Now Converting '$gameName'"
echo "- Start"

chdman createcd -np $cpus -i "./$file" -o "$gameName.chd"

echo "- End"

done

echo "Move Games To Their Own Directory"
for x in ./*.chd; do
  mkdir "${x%.*}"  
  mv "$x" "${x%.*}"
done```

[open glen]

nice

[tough star]

it's a relic from the PSX core times

[open glen]

that a script to run on the mister?

[tough star]

I would not run it on the mister

but it runs there

it needs quite a lot of processing power

[open glen]

true

[tough star]

and chdman

I'm running this on my NAS

[dense hill]

this is mine running on windows, my bat file

scrapes alphabetically, finds the cues, puts them in the directory then nukes all the old files

[shrewd crescent]

does Fenrir run .chds? if so ima do this

[open glen]

nice, mine way back now, just goes through subfolders and adds the chds, leaving it up to you to deleted the bin/cue/iso

but my library is just a handful of Saturn games that I own

[dense hill]

I guess for multidisc I will write a c# program that regexes them and moves them into one, I already wrote a program that went through the entire library and deleted redundant extra non-multi-disc versions of things, deleted japan if europe exists and so on

[jagged quartz]

Dang! Saturn core is now on update all? Did I miss the celebration? 🥺

[dense hill]

the celebration never stops

[shrewd crescent]

https://twitter.com/owlnonymous/status/1712298533443817914

[open glen]

🎉

[dense hill]

pray for my misteer

[shrewd crescent]

https://www.fenrir-ode.fr/faq.html

answered my own question

[dense hill]

2 days ago it was like "expected to arrive at 4am!"

now it's back to "who the fuck knows whhen"

[open glen]

yay postal systems! Why track what we ship accurately?

[jagged quartz]

[open glen]

Hopefully my usb bridge for the mister and my pcbs will arrive today, fingers crossed 🤞

[shrewd crescent]

dumb question: does the core being added to main == stable? or just "good enough for initial release"

[tough star]

both

it runs stuff consistently

[zinc vine]

we need dualram core lol

[mortal mist]

it;s beta release

WIP

[tough star]

weird - runs fine here

[shrewd crescent]

huge step forward, regardless

[zinc vine]

i know singleram work good

[mortal mist]

dualsdram core can be found in the pinned messages

[gloomy hedge]

Yes same but I decided to hit that update all bong finally. It's not as bad as I expected. I just keep one folder up top with my curations

I actually quite like the collections!

Many of them have versions of games I'd rather play a different version but neither here not there

Since it only does arcade stuff, the rest of my curations maintain

[tall radish]

Yeah i have the complete collections on a HDD. But only put curated packs on my misters. If i hear about some game i never heard i just drop it over ftp.

[frail token]

I agree

[gloomy hedge]

Yeah this but no hdd, just archive

I see archive as my local game store lol

Few games at a time and play them

Huge collections just give me paralysis

[kind stump]

Scroll up and grab the unstable version

[silk mauve]

Is that the Pilotwings 64 soundtrack?

[tall radish]

I want to have all there is with me and use curated packa with my mister. Fomo maybe.

[gloomy hedge]

for sure, I get it, recently ive been downloading rom packs in ADDITION to my curations

but I spent 2 years curating before that

I just dont trust them in the past

like they either have a busted rom, wrong version, some weird patched version, all junk

im kind of a purist

sourcing my own rom of the right version, was a part of that curation

[native dagger]

[mortal mist]

I played it on ao486 😄

[native dagger]

I completed maybe 3 passes out of 30

[drifting frigate]

"Who'd win in a fight. 25 casual dining chairs, or mini Ditka?"

"DITKA!"

[polar geode]

All 25 of those chairs would be dodged by a seasoned waffle house employee

[kindred sundial]

Saturn core is hitting main?! Does that mean it’s complete?

[drifting frigate]

Noooo.

But it's a step.

[kindred sundial]

Oh hahaha I was gonna say damn that progressed real quick. Either way that is awesome to see

[drifting frigate]

It is...there are still a lot of nuanced issues, setup headaches, etc. But it's already yielded fruit (ex: chd support by Zakk).

[sacred goblet]

You right.

[umbral bluff]

I have no sound when booting is that normal ?

[mortal mist]

you should hear the sound when menu show up

#1046941029296779344 message like here

[amber lichen]

so many messages to read through. Is the Saturn core available through update_all script now?

[wise brook]

maybe

depends if you've already manually copied files over

[amber lichen]

I did, Ive been testing the core

[tall radish]

Now that saturn core in mainline, maybe we can get SNAC added.

[mortal mist]

yes core is available via update_all , if you want to test the CHD you need an unstable mister main, and if you want to test the core with a corrected centred image CRT, check the pinned messages

[amber lichen]

@mortal mist Thanks for info, sir

[wicked hearth]

does anyone know if this will work for people who have the ram modules with 4 chips or will it still not work?

[mortal mist]

will work , but with worse results

[wicked hearth]

for me i cant even get a game to boot

just get a black screen.. sometimes ill get a loading screen to show but it will freeze. wondering it its my ram module or something else. ive tried using 100 diff bios's

[mortal mist]

ok , check this

[wicked hearth]

thanks kuba, same thing unfortunately

[mortal mist]

this was the core revised for 4C, if it does not work then the problem may be different

[wicked hearth]

ok i got a 2 chip module coming in the mail tomorrow so ill see if that fixes my issues. thanks again bro

[mortal mist]

let us know 👍🏻

[wicked hearth]

will do

what bios do you recommend btw?

[mortal mist]

i use region free bios

[drifting frigate]

Region Free Hi-Sat for me. 1.03

[high bramble]

I thought some of srg320's latest changes made it more compatible with 4-chip SDRAM modules anyway.

[mortal mist]

yes , it should work better

[wicked hearth]

i dont have hi sat 1.03. just 1.02 ill search for that

[wise brook]

I hope, down the road, someone can finally make a custom bios that incorporates the fdd functionality

not necessarily for the MiSTer core but original hardware

[sacred goblet]

Does update_all get bios for saturn (now it is in main)?

[mortal mist]

not yet

[paper tiger]

i haven't been following.. is there an advantage to chd over bin/cue? All my stuff is bin/cue

...for use in MODE

[mortal mist]

chd takes up less space

[paper tiger]

aha

how big is this folder anyway....

looks like ~700 gigs give or take zipped

[wise brook]

my 4tb MiSTer is able to fit all the things using .chd format

[paper tiger]

guess i need to snag chdman

[paper tiger]

any chance you could paste that? :p

...oh never mind.. retyping

[bitter vector]

does running update_all script fetch everything required to start enjoying the now public Saturn core or am i required to supply a bios?

[umbral bluff]

I don't hear anything neither hdmi nor analog audio

[mortal mist]

you need bios

[bitter vector]

any suggestions or help pointing me in the right direction?

[paper tiger]

Worked well! thank you 🙂

[mortal mist]

in games you can't hear either ?

[crystal bison]

The archiving site

[wicked hearth]

do you have a 4 chip ram module? i got a game to load a few times on mine and it had no audio

[umbral bluff]

In other cores I can hear everything but in Saturn there's no noise and sometimes visual glitches I couldn't boot any game yet

[bitter vector]

come on guys. hook a brother up with a choice Saturn bios...please?

[umbral bluff]

I honestly don't know if my ram is 4 chip or not but what I know is that I have single sd ram

[mortal mist]

what revision ?

[mortal mist]

check DM

[wicked hearth]

look at it. itll either have 2 chips on it or 4. the 4 chip modules dont work good

[wise brook]

this is pretty basic stuff

[dense hill]

no problem ne146

[umbral bluff]

Whenever I try to boot a game it says 'Game disc unsutaible'

[umbral bluff]

Why is that ?

[mortal mist]

you set region ?

[wicked hearth]

theres diff types of ram modules. this core has issues with the 4 chip ones. not sure why but i ordered a 2 chip module cos i cant get anything to run reliably

[umbral bluff]

No , I didn't but it automatically sets it

[mortal mist]

ok region free bios

[umbral bluff]

how can i do that ? there's no 'free bios' option as far as i can tell

[mortal mist]

if you are using free region bios, then you do not need to set a region in the OSD, for example: If you have a European or Japanese bios and you want to use US games, you have to set this in the OSD.

[ancient surge]

One question I have is that even though the core is now official, there is still unused features and debugging tools in the OSD. I wonder if there are plans to remove them to free up a tiny bit of space on the FPGA.

[umbral bluff]

What's the best bios to use in this core ?

And how can I tell if my ram is 4 chips ?

[weary verge]

congrats on the release

now I can do..."important" things

[wise brook]

have you looked at it?

[umbral bluff]

I can't tell without unscrewing everything

[wise brook]

good

so how many chips does it have

where did you buy it from

[burnt matrix]

Everything good? Anything I can do for anyone?

[stiff patrol]

I could use a Sandwich and some Coffee

[exotic path]

I was just gonna ask for breakfast, man some hashbrowns sound good

[umbral bluff]

from antonio villena

[stiff patrol]

likely 4 chip then

he for reasons best known to himself went with a 4 chip design

everyone else uses 2 chip

[mortal mist]

try this core

[wise brook]

moar chip = moar power

[stiff patrol]

moar chip = crap compatibility

[wise brook]

but then you can sell them the solution

[umbral bluff]

really ? I wonder which are those reasons

[stiff patrol]

its marginally cheaper for him

is one of them

[umbral bluff]

thanks Kuba so i guess i have to replace it

[stiff patrol]

open your mister and count the chips

[wise brook]

or live without a working Saturn core

[stiff patrol]

2 chip designs are the official designs. ANything else is unsupported

[mortal mist]

check if it works please

[mortal mist]

no way !

[wise brook]

society if everyone bought 2-chip 1st time and gave the extra money to srg320

[burnt matrix]

If I could, I would honestly bring y’all Cuban food. I’m on vacation in Tampa, FL; the birthplace of the Cuban sandwich.

[wise brook]

very kind of you

[stiff patrol]

think that would be Cuba !

[celest iris]

i've had a cuban in tampa, robby is not wrong

[wise brook]

if I could I'd make you all the bacon-grease infused panko chicken I did yesterday

[pearl harbor]

I expect it to be delivered in person by you. Chop chop!

[celest iris]

i actually didn't know that is where it was invented

[exotic path]

I'm skipping between N64 and Sat threads and @burnt matrix has made literally everyone hungry 🤣

[celest iris]

i used to hit up st pete beach a lot before when it was mostly europeans in speedos, not drunk college kids

[crystal bison]

Just played Symphony as Richtor, feels like Christmas

[umbral bluff]

ty I've tried but still is having major graphical glicthes

and problems in general

[mortal mist]

time for new ram 🙂

[stiff patrol]

Not from AV this time !

[umbral bluff]

No way I spend a lot on my Mister 😣

A lot to not be able to play saturn in the end

[burnt matrix]

Damn you’re one of my favorite people here. I know that’s a bit self serving but it’s cool you know what I’m talking about. 🍻

[celest iris]

hey if you had told me you were going you could have spent 12 hours at islands of adventure instead of busch gardens for free

[exotic path]

I think he is still selling the four chip too which isn't right unless he has a disclaimer imo

[celest iris]

but then you wouldn't be in tampa 🥳

[exotic path]

No batch file? 😦

[tall radish]

i guess elevator action still has the anime cooming sounds if you light stuff on fire eh ?

[warped saddle]

wait, people go to Tampa for vacation?

[trim nimbus]

remember, robby’s favorite game console is the saturn….that should inform you of his tastes 😉

[burnt matrix]

You are extremely kind but I wouldn’t want to burden you. Next time I head down here and I’m in the area I’ll buy you beers though!

[burnt matrix]

My wife’s side of the family all live here lol

[celest iris]

i don't live there

i did grow up there are have family on the opposite coast though

[ancient surge]

He's a big fan of anime girls that look like potatoes.

[celest iris]

space coast baby

[celest iris]

god i am so offended right now despite robby's inlaws living there and me vacationing there and half my extended family living there i would never, ever, ever live in florida

i live in beautiful downtown burbank, ca, usa

home of disney, warner brothers, and universal studios! the smokehouse grill and all the gun stores in LA county

[burnt matrix]

That’s so cool

[celest iris]

anyway it would cost me zero dollars to give you and your family a couple days at universal, which doesn't suck in florida unlike here

so hmu next year or whatevs

the only proper response to that is "bet"

can't even give these tickets away i swear

[burnt matrix]

bet

[jovial anchor]

if i have my bin/cue in a zip file can i load it like with zipped NES roms?

[pearl harbor]

Robby bragging to us maidenless people. Elden Ring shaming us was bad enough!

[mortal mist]

don;t use zip for cd based systems

[jovial anchor]

ok, so i gotta decompress this giant redump archive lol

GREAT GRAND 😉

thanks 😄

[burnt matrix]

Relationships or not is just a path in life, nothing to brag about.

Unless you’re dual income and no kids. You can brag about that lmao.

[polar geode]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1117951625999433909/1158542968576290887/image0.gif?ex=651ca0b8&is=651b4f38&hm=3f474fa25e07d605273961cb730b782e1cb626e0f2473dbc75c01c6416c9967e&

It me

We have 3 furchildren though

[jovial anchor]

DINK here, its nothing to brag about lol

[jovial anchor]

this redump archive has the porn saturn stuff in here lmao

[polar geode]

Robby! Fatbaby porn!

Get in here!

[native dagger]

It's for "preservation"

[jovial anchor]

this is gonna be a nightmare to pick through, its the Sega Saturn Redump revival

[jovial anchor]

yes of course, for science

[exotic path]

I was DINK and now I'm way better off alone for the moment haha. Need a good woman or no woman at all

[umbral bluff]

which ?

[sick python]

Uh, we prefer DILDO's thanks. Dual Income Little Dog Owners

[polar geode]

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/ew-nope-no-nuh-uh-no-way-gif-21846503

[sick python]

those are rookie numbers.gif

[polar geode]

Cats, not rf only crts

[sick python]

still short in numbers.

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/ash-huh-hello-darkness-fancy-gif-25321650

[warped cliff]

generally we can't control who tweets what, but you'd think the one behind that account would mention that it's in a beta state 😂

[viral pebble]

So is Saturn official now?

[ocean oxide]

yes for all

[viral pebble]

Sweet! Will there be an update soon that allows you to play CHDs? I know that there’s an unstable build but don’t want to have to use that one bc I’m already using the unstable for N64

[mortal mist]

each new unstable main contains previous fixes

please note that this is a beta core version

[odd halo]

Has anyone tested Tempest 2000 on the core? If it works I don't need Jag any more 🙂

[mortal mist]

will check

[odd halo]

I didn't know there was a Saturn version until 5mins ago looking on youtube for "saturn hidden gems" lol. Thanks Kuba

[dense hill]

saturn hidden gems: the entire library

I don't know where it was hiding because I am still yet to see one irl

[viral pebble]

What was the inspiration behind the release? Srg320, sorg?