Sega Saturn

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/segata-sanshiro-karate-taekwando-gif-4880719

[dire tree]

kevin is that controller

[trim nimbus]

heh, definitely misinformation, the disinformation is my attempts to get Robby to play Criticom

[dire tree]

@tall radish I posted the list on google sheets a bit above... still WIP

[mortal mist]

where is Robotica ? 😱

must be on the list hehe

[dire tree]

alot is missing... let me check it out

ok, added

anyone see missing gmaes feel free to lemme know

[polar geode]

Did Saturn have Rise of the Robutts? 🤔

[mortal mist]

nooooo

[polar geode]

PREPARE
FOR
JANK

[ancient surge]

The OG false advertising

[dire tree]

lol

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/sakura-dance-street-fghter-dance-gif-11426442

[winter phoenix]

I wouldn't call those floors "better"

[dire tree]

the lighting looked better

psx was obviously updated graphically

the game is in both Saturn and PSX list

someone else mentioned it has extra content as well in the PSX version

[dire tree]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1sK0nsXIKW3Rb-xkHZRXXqOb9yIdfoNAhF_BKSDt2Hn4/edit?usp=sharing

added more games

I didnt know there would be 300 when I started the list.... it might end up with 400

[kindred peak]

Are you taking edits?

Alien Trilogy on Saturn is lacking the voice overs and slightly downgraded graphics. It also only uses one CPU because the devs couldn't be bothered 😄

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-notes-noted-gif-26232003

https://tenor.com/view/princess-bride-you-keep-using-that-word-i-do-not-think-it-means-what-you-think-it-means-gif-9201569

[kindred peak]

heh

It's true.

So... 400? So half the library is "curated"?

[dire tree]

the only difference i saw is psx is darker than saturn, but the voice overs is a good point. is the graphics really downgraded?

[kindred peak]

Lighting effects aren't there on Saturn. It just uses diminished lights. Plus the usual dithering for transparencies.

[dire tree]

so its better on psx

ill move it out of the saturn category

[dire tree]

there is 1,600 games

minus demos

roughty 1,400 something total

[thorn pagoda]

quite a lot of them are japanese visual novels though tbf

[tiny flare]

Is that before or after same games in different regions?

Excluding them I mean

[kindred peak]

Where did 1600 come from?

[lusty rapids]

Visual Novels can be pretty good tho, like Policenauts

[dire tree]

excluding

im not saying all are playable without knowing japanese

[kindred peak]

There was only like ~280 in the US, and maybe closer to 800 in Japan.

[dire tree]

lets say 1,000 to 1,200... would that satisfy you? I am just going by my redump folder

[kindred peak]

ah... that explains it... redump is going to have all the revs for each disc.

[lusty rapids]

according to wikipeida

There are 1031[b] games on this list not including non-game software and compilations of Saturn games. There are 785 Japan-exclusive games, making 75% of the whole list.

[dire tree]

i dont download all the revisions just the latest

[kindred peak]

No need to satisfy me. You're the one making the list.

So 1031 according to wiki. See?

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/demand-satisfaction-flapjack-gif-6324438507743311424

[dire tree]

im not putting every game in the list just certain ones

since when is wikipedia 100% accurate?

or any wiki

[kindred peak]

lol

ok

[dire tree]

you arent getting an accurate list from that

[kindred peak]

Sure. I knew 1600 was high. Was just trying to confirm what I know.

[lusty rapids]

well this is the article if there's a problem to fix in the game list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sega_Saturn_games

[dire tree]

I corrected myself i forgot I had demos

I said around 1400

[tiny flare]

I believe it

[dire tree]

but its likely more around 1200+

not every demo has the word demo in the name

[kindred peak]

You should go play some of them. 🙂

[tiny flare]

It’s a lot of games either way

[polar geode]

This is serious business

[lusty rapids]

I'm super serial right now

[dire tree]

anyway

[lusty rapids]

75% being Japan exclusive, 日本語が上手になれ my friends

[dire tree]

oh.. also my number including multiple discs

so PhantasM counted as 8 games

[kindred peak]

ohhhhhhh

[dire tree]

I cant get an accurate number from my folder

but there is more than wikepedia im sure

irrelevant anyway

just listing good and decent games, interesting stuff, etc

[kindred peak]

Ah. Skeleton Warriors made it. Justice.

Bold choice including the Shanghai games.

So why the Japanese versions of some titles?

[teal saffron]

すでに上手くなったわ

[polar geode]

あなたは私にそんなことをさせることはできません

[polar geode]

こんにちは、新しい友達

[lusty rapids]

日本語を話せる友達が増えったね

[teal saffron]

6年間東京に住んでたからね

[dire tree]

like what? might have extra content or updated vs USA

if I have something wrong let me know... its WIP

I need to add notes for things to explain for some games

im no expert I just did research for a few days and my information could be wrong

but for example I added Daytona USA Circuit Edition (Japan) version because its considered the definitive version as far as updates. It is more updated than the USA one

[lusty rapids]

そうだよね〜
日本に住んだら、日本語がうまくならなきゃだろう
Rowanさんはめっちゃ上手らしい

[dire tree]

indeed

thank you

if you have other recommendaitons let me know

[tiny flare]

It’s not like you really need English language for an arcade racing game either

[dire tree]

yea not Daytona for sure

am I remembering incorrectly or is Darius II in the works for mister arcade?

or am I confusing that with Gradius II or something

also let me know if saturn has extra content compared to arcade core for any game

cause if its just a port with nothing extra and we have arcade version I am leaving it off the list

[kindred peak]

Daytona CCE Netlink Edition has all the Japanese improvements, but I agree... totally playable in Japanese. Japan Fighting Vipers has Pepsiman, so that's a given. Gotta have Pepsiman.

[quick sorrel]

Since when did we all startザジャパン語お話しタイムですか？ （╹◡╹）

[zinc vine]

i need salamander 2 to boot then the core will be complete

[quick sorrel]

Seriously tho, if my RAM is a 2.9 module with 2 chips, that’s the best situation to have at the moment, yes?

[dire tree]

Though the western Champion Circuit Edition and Japanese Circuit Edition are by-and-large the same game, Circuit Edition adds further tweaks to the formula, creating the definitive copy of Daytona USA for the Saturn. Circuit Edition extends the draw distance even further, swaps some textures and allows the user to set the time of day in which to race in, whether that be night, dusk or morning. On top of this, the arcade soundtrack is now an option, and new drift mechanics have been implemented, making the game control more similarly to the original arcade version.

[kindred peak]

Ah, but that's why I said Netlink Edition. It came later in the US.

But really: unless you have a modem on your Saturn, just leave the Japanese one.

[dire tree]

no ... if you are right I want the usa one

[kindred peak]

I am right. 😄

[dire tree]

i guess i got confused

[kindred peak]

It's understandable. The names aren't exactly the clearest things. 🙂

Only reason I know all this is that I've been a Saturn nerd since release day.

[dire tree]

so CCE Netlink USA is same as Circuit Edition Japan

[kindred peak]

Yup.

[dire tree]

thanks

[kindred peak]

You're welcome!

[dire tree]

if you notice other issues let me know

[kindred peak]

I will. It's a good list. Should be helpful for people coming into the system.

[dire tree]

I wonder if we could get netlink/seganet support

that wouold be sick

i wold imagine it would be possible to emulate the modem

and let people connect to each other and play

Daytona now fixed on the list

thanks to mistahsnart we now have USA Daytona

[teal saffron]

idk but I would happily hang out in a japango channel

[dire tree]

yea you guys can meet all the hot women in here

[quick sorrel]

That’s what people do on the internet nowadays? 🤩

[teal saffron]

so just me or

[dire tree]

can do anything you want on the internet really

guess i gotta delete circuit edition from my redump set

you better be right Raphael

[quick sorrel]

But on RAM tho, the double chip has the better compatibility at the moment?

[untold lintel]

It’s a literal crapshoot

[quick sorrel]

Oh, guess I misunderstood that.

[dire tree]

possibly

ive seen a couple people have issues with the other one

not even related to saturn

I guess I can delete regular USA Championship Circuit Edition ?

or should i keep that in the collection

[kindred peak]

heh... I found a receipt for you:
"The game had all of the improvements from the Japanese CE release, except for direct link cable support. This versions only addition was the support for Sega's North American Netlink, which was capable of a faster 28.8kbps speeds."
https://www.reddit.com/r/SegaSaturn/comments/6x27jt/daytona_usa_had_four_different_ports_on_the_sega/

Consider it a second cited source. 🙂

[dire tree]

interesting I didnt know netlink was faster than seganet

unless its just for that one game

but there arent many games that supported it

its amazing saturn even had multiplayer for a handful of games

[kindred peak]

I don't know for certain, but I think it's a hardware difference. American modem could hit 28.8, while Japan was 14.4.

I only ever connected to a friend to play Duke Nukem back in the day via Netlink a few times. 😄

[trim nimbus]

Yeah, although in modern times, unless something has changed, supposedly it is better to use a Japanese netlink

[dire tree]

i use to use 56k on pc to play a friend in duke 3d

[trim nimbus]

Now, saying that, the main issue might be that lack of “direct cable support”. Serial connection of two misters might be more likely than netlink

[dire tree]

pretty sure it was that

[dire tree]

thats better than nothing

[trim nimbus]

And if that is the case, you want the Japanese edition?

[dire tree]

japanese has serial connection and usa doesnt?

[trim nimbus]

That is how I read the quote you posted.

It says the USA version has all the improvements except direct link.

Whoops, @kindred peak posted

[polar geode]

14.4k modem to play ROTT... on a laptop. Thems were the days... of horrible netplay

[dire tree]

oh

well i guess ill wait to see if we even get that feature. i doubt we will

[trim nimbus]

Haha, yeah, I used to direct dial my friend to play Warcraft

[dire tree]

ive done warcraft ii a few times also

and doom

[trim nimbus]

I think we are more likely to get serial support than netlink but I could be wrong. Having netlink on mister would be amazing.

[dire tree]

do we have serial link on any other cores?

[trim nimbus]

Lots of cores support serial

[dire tree]

cool

i need a 2nd mister

i know you can play serial on ao486 and multiplyer p2p im sure

unfortunately many games dont run good enough but im sure many do too

[trim nimbus]

Yeah. Doom would probably be fine. I had meant to try to setup tcpip in dos but never got around to it.

[dire tree]

should be playable

although much better to use zandronum on computers

[trim nimbus]

Would love to see a lan party of misters. If I ever make time to work on fpga things I’d love to build an ne2000

[dire tree]

yea would be cool

[polar geode]

https://x.com/Captain_Pixel/status/1707556214056558948?s=20

James Wragg (@Captain_Pixel)

Yoshitaka Tamaki, best known as the instantly recognizable creator of characters and worlds such as Shining Force, Feda, Landstalker and more, passed away in July this year.
Just a few steps from working with him…
So near, yet so far.

RIP to an incredible creator🙏

Twitter · Sep 29, 2023, 12:41 AM

[burnt matrix]

That’s sad

[drowsy hull]

😐

Very sad

[naive whale]

Ahh damn. That’s a bummer

[lusty rapids]

ご冥福をお祈りします

[polar geode]

😢

[pearl harbor]

😭

[dire tree]

RIP

[dire tree]

updated the list a lot more this morning

[tawny forge]

Where is it at?

[dire tree]

Time Bokan Series - Bokan to Ippatsu! Doronbow Kanpekiban (Japan)

is this better on Saturn or PSX?

need help with people who know which versions of games are better on the "PSX vs. Saturn" tab. That is the real work

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1sK0nsXIKW3Rb-xkHZRXXqOb9yIdfoNAhF_BKSDt2Hn4/edit?usp=sharing

[pearl harbor]

Love me some Saturn.

[dire tree]

SEGA Saturn or SEGA Pluto?

[pearl harbor]

Saturn!

[dire tree]

SEGA Saturn or SEGA Neptune?

[trim nimbus]

SEGA Saturn or SEGA SG-1000?

(no fun allowed here)

[dire tree]

SEGA Neptune or SEGA Pluto or SEGA Dreamcast 2?

[kindred peak]

XBox 😎

[dire tree]

SEGA Neptune has such a slick shell design

looks beautiful

[drifting frigate]

So long as we attempt no landing on Europa.

[stiff patrol]

China did in one of the later books

[stiff patrol]

My god its full of stars

[polar geode]

"Always was"

[drifting frigate]

Just like a Van Nuys Panera.

[digital mauve]

2001 was a masterpiece but I think I have watched 2010 many more times.

[stiff patrol]

I love the 2010 film

its just so atmospheric

[drifting frigate]

That's the dolphin one, right?

There's a ... lot of other story about the dolphin habitat/scientist it (the set, not the book) was based on if you go digging. Not good. Not enjoyable to read. Drugs and animal abuse.

[stiff patrol]

starts with the Dolphin

has the great aerobraking bit into Jupiters Atmosphere

somehting I did many times in Kerbal Space Program

[drifting frigate]

I need to rewatch it. I've watched 2001 a handful of times, but 2010 only once back when I was too young to really get it.

[stiff patrol]

It's a Great Film

[high bramble]

I preferred 2010 far more than 2001.

I respect 2001... but I actually enjoy 2010.

[stiff patrol]

2001 was wierd at the end

2010 feels much more realistic

[worldly temple]

When people talk about being excited to play Symphony of the Night on Saturn, are they somehow fixing the ridiculous aspect ratio & performance issues?

[rich violet]

https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/6184/

[frail token]

Y'all should read the books if you like 2001

There are two more after 2010

[burnt matrix]

2001 is before 2010, can’t fool me

[burnt matrix]

I’m sorry, I’m going to have to ask you all to stop playing Clockwork Knight. According to this the trademark lapsed and I’m going to purchase it.

https://branddb.wipo.int/en/quicksearch/results?sort=score desc&start=0&rows=30&asStructure={"_id":"8482","boolean":"AND","bricks":[{"_id":"8483","key":"brandName","value":"CLOCKWORK KNIGHT","strategy":"Simple"}]}&fg=_void_&searchBy=brandName&_=1696028176758

[high bramble]

Don't you know? Prequels are all the rage these days.

[burnt matrix]

Time to make that sweet clockwork knight moolah!

[polar geode]

"Never talk to me, or my Hi-Saturn again"

[pearl harbor]

You'll see your $0.99 royalty check in the mail in 2030.

[trim nimbus]

Yeah, rookie mistake to go after the clockwork knight trademark and not Bug!

[kindred peak]

Sega is going to make a Bug! sequel.

You'll see.

Any day now...

rocks in place

Buuuuuuuuuuuuug... come home

[pearl harbor]

Bug Too!

[naive whale]

Bug Three! C’mon…where’s our modern sequel

[graceful gorge]

Don't look into the light...

[burnt matrix]

Just got off the phone with Sylvester Sega; owner of Sega, and he said y’all need to stop living in the past and play new SEGA games.

[tiny flare]

Missed opportunity for Sammy Sega

[quaint dove]

Technically Tecnosoft is now Sega. So Thunder Force VI when, Sylvester?

[polar geode]

2008

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunder_Force_VI

[trim nimbus]

Where is my fighters maximix?

[burnt matrix]

That’s his brother, almost ran it into the ground

[trim nimbus]

Featuring bug!, Alex Kidd and Ulala

[lusty rapids]

only released in that weeb country, so it doesn't count for true gamers

[polar geode]

🤔

[tiny flare]

And the car from Daytona Sega Racing Classic

[quaint dove]

Well shit. Is it any good?

[polar geode]

Bit of a rehash, not terrible by any means

Not exactly a great sendoff for the series either though

[burnt matrix]

An anagram of Thunder Force IV is “thin covered fur”

What did SEGA mean by this?

[polar geode]

[tiny flare]

Just a throwing a little bone out there for the Sonic fandom I guess

[pearl harbor]

You sure that wasn't Jim Ryan?

[quaint dove]

Three. Dirty. Dwarves.

[sharp mauve]

not a mister question, but does anyone have experience installing the bitfunx saturn power supply replacement? I ordered it but my saturn doesn't match any of the 4 pictures of types of saturn, which I need to select the voltage

it's supposedly compatible with all saturns

i think it's probably a type 2 judging by the shape of the original PSU and the individual components, but it's not an exact match

[sharp mauve]

nvm, got her working, it was a model 2

[sharp mauve]

i dont know why the twinbee games arent talked about more

[waxen vortex]

It is compatible with All Saturn models. It can appear confusing at first but I have used 2 of these. 1 for a Japanese Model 1 (which has the PSU mounted to the Lid of the Console and connected via a Cable (rather than being sat on top of Pins on the Motherboard) and a White Japanese Model 2.

[sharp mauve]

Yeah I eventually figured that the pictures were for either the PAL or US NTSC models (since the cases in them are black) and mine is a japanese model, so probably the exact layout of the components on the PSU wasn't identical but the shape and location of the PSU matched the model 2, so I took a gamble, set it to 3.3v and it worked

[waxen vortex]

It depends on how many "Pins / Posts" the PSU has I believe as to which setting you need to have it at. Can't remember off the top of my head but one will have 5V and 3.3V and the other one I think has 9V?

There are 3 PSU form factors that Sega Saturn use, the service manuals apparently call them Type A, B, C.

Type A is only used in VA0 motherboards, it is hold onto the top of the case. Pinouts are gnd, gnd, 3.3v, 5v, (not connected), 9v.
Type B is used in VA1 to 5, it is the “longer” power supply, always 5 pins with pinouts being gnd, gnd, 3.3v, 5v, 9v.
Type C is used from VA6 to VA15, it is the “shorter” power supply. NTSC machines have 4 pins: gnd, gnd, 5v, 5v. PAL machines use 5 pins: gnd, gnd, 5v, 5v, 9/12v.

This explains it 🙂

[visual grove]

What monitor is that?

[sharp mauve]

B&O MX5000

(just a consumer crt, but a good one)

[visual grove]

Figured it was one of those, they always look very nice

Too bad it’s euro

B&O sold very little here mostly plasmas as far as I know

Definitely sponge worthy sets

[polar geode]

B&O are generally considered pretty high end for consumer crt sets, never had one myself (in the US)

[sudden tusk]

Body and Odor?

[visual grove]

What is the name of the next FGC tournament Taco attends Alex?

Err Alex corpse

[sudden tusk]

I’ll have you know we are a clean and industrious community!

[visual grove]

Zombie Trebek

[polar geode]

Negative, senor

[sudden tusk]

Does this look stinky to you nerds ?

I slayed lots of rivals on the red machines

Also there’s a full stocked bar not pictured to the right of the machines

[visual grove]

Cool spot, is this someone’s house that hosts tourneys?

[sudden tusk]

Yep , one of the main local organizers .. great host amazing place

I’m actually pretty lucky the locals are so hardcore

[sudden tusk]

If you start practicing SFVI now we might let you hang ..

[sharp mauve]

one day when i have a bit more knowledge I'd like to do a big writeup for CRT's for europeans, most of the info out there is aimed at americans, assume that you only have component or nothing, and so on

[polar geode]

Its not the spaces, Taco. Its the neckbeards that occupy them

[sharp mauve]

imo having a PVM is nice (i have one) but if you live in europe just getting a good consumer set with SCART is probably a way better option

[visual grove]

Are the red ones some kind of vs chewlix? They look connected. Also was it you who broke the top off the right chewlix? 😉

[sudden tusk]

Stop stereotyping us .. there’s only two neckbeards out of like 12 main dudes

Lol

[polar geode]

I apologize, I've walked into too many card shops and been knocked flat by the miasma

[tiny flare]

As long as they aren’t smash players they should be fine

[sudden tusk]

Yeah tcg players are the stinky ones

[sudden tusk]

Correct on the vs chewlix , they are hooked up to a pc with steam for SFVI or any modern fighter you would ever wanna play

[polar geode]

https://youtu.be/ZXsxj0_Vpis?si=4CwgTDqxfp0ZZEL0

[sudden tusk]

And no I wouldn’t dream of ever harming any of those machines

[sharp mauve]

Warhammer Store Clerk, the new fragrance by Dior, with Karl Lagerfeld

[polar geode]

"But there comes a price with your stench.."

[sharp mauve]

the junk section at book off in japan has a particular smell as well

caked on dust and grime mixed with nerd armpit

[ancient surge]

Been trying out Croc on the SEGA Saturn core.

The intro cutscene had an absolute fit and it somehow restarted the core back to the BIOS menu. So that was... cool?

[sudden tusk]

It refuses to live …

I got a GDemu modded DC now … im over the Saturn ..

[ancient surge]

The stange part is that playing the game actually works fine. Still some visual glitches, but it is stable.

[polar geode]

Id imagine cheaper. Just getting a 15khz RGBS signal on a crt period is nice enough for most.

[sudden tusk]

Everything is better on Dreamcast

[sharp mauve]

yeah it's way cheaper, the set i put up there was just for free, it just cost me 1 vertebra carrying it to my car

[sudden tusk]

Small sacrifice!

[tiny flare]

Ybpbr component is fine for most - maybe I’m just blind but I really can’t tell the difference

[sharp mauve]

my pvm set me back 300 euros or so

[polar geode]

ooof

Yeah..

I got 2 20N2Us at a goodwill one time for $30 USD a piece ^^;

[sharp mauve]

damn

[kindred peak]

Ahhhh... the before times.

[sharp mauve]

it was confusing when i first got into this stuff though because so much of the material about it online is aimed at a US audience and just goes straight to "YOU SHOULD GET A PVM" because you don't have scart there (right?)

i still like having mine just for the sharpness and because it's nice and compact, but there's just 100 easier options, as long as you get an NTSC compatible TV and don't forget to throw out your PAL collection

[polar geode]

Yeah its a different thing in Europe

If you find a CRT that supports 60hz with an RGB SCART input that's all most would need

[tiny flare]

I don’t think “you should get a PVM” is great advice in the US either, most will be fine with component and it’ll be loads cheaper

Especially at current prices

[polar geode]

my first "gaming" crt in the 00s was a 32 inch SD with component in. It worked decently well, until I started buying pcbs with slightly off or way off spec from 60hz sync rates, then I had to get an XM29+

[tiny flare]

I guess yeah if you're into arcade stuff that changes things

[sudden tusk]

PAL FORMAT IS OBSOLETE

ALL YOUR MGZS ARE BELONG TO ME

[polar geode]

PCs too. RGBI/CGA/EGA, 24khz, etc

[tiny flare]

yeah for sure, multisync is a whole other thing as well

I'm mostly into just consoles, so 15khz is fine for me

[polar geode]

The bone crusher took everything

[burnt matrix]

Is that your Vaus controller?

[polar geode]

Havent had it since 2018 but it was

[sudden tusk]

What happened in 2018?

[polar geode]

I sold 90% of everything I had

Games/consoles/computers/media/crts

[sudden tusk]

Why?

[burnt matrix]

To buy a MiSTer

[polar geode]

healthy life choices is the short answer

[kindred peak]

The things we own can end up owning us. ❤️

[dire tree]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1sK0nsXIKW3Rb-xkHZRXXqOb9yIdfoNAhF_BKSDt2Hn4/edit?usp=sharing

Major update to the Saturn curated list

[burnt matrix]

Thanks for the reminder, just added that to the Your Questions Answered pin - #1046941029296779344 message

Sorry that took so long!

[dire tree]

for the full list check the "SEGA Saturn Collection" and the "PSX Vs. Saturn?" tabs on the bottom. Because the PSX Vs. Saturn is a bunch of games on both platforms that I don't know which is better, although some are near identical.

The games on PSX that are known to be better on Saturn are on the "SEGA Saturn Collection" tab

also there are non-redump prototype and hombrew tabs

Some unreleased prototypes for platforms never make it to redump sets... and redump doesn't do homebrew at all.

if we figure out games better on PSX or Saturn on the "PSX Vs. Saturn?" tab for which platform is better, they get moved to another tab

[polar geode]

Salamander Deluxe Pack is pretty much equal on PSX

Capcom Generations 1-5 are better on PSX, except for Ghouls n Ghosts specifically

[dire tree]

Capcom Generations is in the Arcade tab since those are the best versions, right?

or do the consoles offer something different?

if arcade and neogeo makes the console versions irrelevant I put them in the arcade core tab

[polar geode]

There are some music track arrangements for Capcom Generation 1-5. Volume 5 specifically (Street Fighter 2) has full arranged soundtrack optional

[dire tree]

how come its better on psx?

I like to leave notes

[polar geode]

The Saturn resolution is lower than a bunch of the original arcade ports

[dire tree]

any info on latency comparison?

or both unnoticable

[polar geode]

None that I know of

[dire tree]

alright... whiich volumes do i need to add besides 5 from arcade to psx

thanks for the info

i cant do it all myself

i know 3do street fighter 2 has unique soundtrack I think

[polar geode]

Cyberbots - Fullmetal Madness (Japan) (1M) - More playable characters, full voice acting for story segments, but has some cut frames even with 1M

Vampire Savior is not listed with (4M), X-men vs Street Fighter is listed as (1M) but should be (4M)

[polar geode]

All 5 of them. Only one specific game on one of the volumes, Ghouls n Ghosts has an issue on PSX where the brightness is too dim and its better on Saturn

[dire tree]

why? there isn't differences I dont think between the labels as its just whats printed on the disc. However I am going off of latest redump. There is no vampire savior 4M anymore or X-Men vs Street Fighter

[polar geode]

I was under the impression you were using those indicators to show either required or optional RAM cart requirements

[dire tree]

no thosea re just disc labels

redump filenames

there are even 7Ms

[polar geode]

Ok well, thats up to you

[dire tree]

its up to redump filename

im just copying and pasting

[kindred peak]

So what do the M markers mean?

Historically when referring to Saturn titles, it indicates what RAM cart is required.

[dire tree]

its a number printed on the disc

its irrelevant

only Revision matters

ill be back in a bit to continjue

[kindred peak]

Gotcha. Only confusing due to the dual meaning in the Saturn context.

[dire tree]

yea, redump doesnt specify anything with ram cart in the filename title

if they did it would say like 4MB or something

[high bramble]

Just out of curiosity, what qualifies as 'better'?

[astral crane]

If you like it more than the last one

[high bramble]

Last one? 🤨
Referring to the topic of comparing games that exist on both Saturn and PlayStation.
What criteria is being used to state one is 'better' than the other?

[polar geode]

Id think the criteria would differ game to game, but if you mean the curated list there I dont know

[high bramble]

Fair enough. I'm not going to lose sleep over it. Was just curious what the determining factors were. 🙂

[quaint dove]

Why did nobody come to my house and tell me how good this core had gotten?

Fun fact. Marvel Superheroes had restored animation frames with the 1MB cart, and while the 4MB cart worked it caused even more slowdown for the already slowdown plagued game.

[polar geode]

It had a 3MB option IIRC

[quaint dove]

As in base 2MB + 1MB cart?

[polar geode]

Weirdly no

http://www.shinforce.com/saturn/RAMCompatibility.htm

1MB for a 1MB cart, and 3 with a 4MB

[dire tree]

Like performance, audio quality, extra content, graphics. It says Better (or Unique)

Not factoring in controller, cause some say Saturn versions are better just cause the D-pad is better, but with MiSTer that is irrelevant since we can use anything

[high bramble]

Thanks. Looking forward to checking out that list soon.

[dire tree]

There is currently over 100 games I don't know which is better... but some are identical

or too close to call

[tidal marsh]

there are over a hundred megadrive games they get harder they get faster

[quaint dove]

I’m confused as to what that 3MB mode would be in addition to 1MB mode? There’s a 1MB ram cart and a 4MB ram cart.

[dire tree]

well those have alien technology called "Mega Tech"

[quaint dove]

I’d think 3MB is 2MB + 1MB cart but then what is 1MB?

[dire tree]

for marvel?

[quaint dove]

Yeah. MSH came out before the 4MB cart and I don’t think it had extra frames when using it - just extra slowdown. I used to own a pile of SNK/Capcom games and both RAM carts.

[dire tree]

Marvel Super Heroes... just has Japan, Europe, and USA discs. They don't specify Ram. As for menu options not sure

[quaint dove]

The RAM carts worked on the US version. That’s how I played it.

[dire tree]

but all 3 discs should be teh same in terms of Ram functionality

or one would have a revision or something

[quaint dove]

Maybe it did have extra frames on the 4MB but I never used it because it slowed down so much

[dire tree]

they are likely all 4MB

unless its only for a certain region

if one region is better ill give it priority if you know

but its something requiring research to find out

I give USA priority unless Japan is better for some reason (extra content, etc.)

but its not like I am deep researching every single game

so lets try this one now

https://tcrf.net/Marvel_Super_Heroes_(Arcade)

oh this is just arcade

this site has no marvel for saturn so that means all 3 regions are likely identical

with no revisions or even M inner-ring disc stamp versions

so now we check whats up with ram carts

https://segasaturngroup.proboards.com/thread/5234/marvel-super-heroes-ram-cart

When I played it, I used a US game, on US console, and the 4MB ram cart that comes with the Xmen Vs. SF JP import. I experienced heavy slowdown after the first few matches. I don't have an official 1MB cart available to test this.

oh wait... this is the wrong game he is talkin about

oh nevermind he means the cart that comes with xmen vs sf

[quaint dove]

That thread is reminding me now… I kept my 1MB cart even after getting the 4MB not just because 4MB caused slowdown in MSH but it simply didn’t work in Samurai Spirits 4.

[dire tree]

I know there are issues with more than one game with what Ram cart you are using 1mb vs 4mb

I can add a note to help with that for the core if we get accurate info

[quaint dove]

Then you got your lonely KOF95 ROM cart in the corner that never gets used because your cartridge port is getting flaky and you don’t want to make it hard to play XvSF.

[dire tree]

I wanna say king of fighters had an issue too

iirc

The Official RAM Cart that SHOULD be used with Capcom RAM compatible games is the 4MB RAM cart (which is translucent in appearance). For use with games such as XMvsSFighter & MSHvsSFighter, VSaviour, D&Dragons etc. The 4MB RAM Cart can be used with SNK's titles (that use the 1MB RAM cart), however, it is NOT compatible with all of them and causes graphical corruption and unexpected errors in some instances (SS3 & RB1 immediately spring to mind).```

[quaint dove]

Except - MSH worked with the 1MB cart because it came out before the 4MB.

It’s all so weird and janky.

[dire tree]

happens to be a bit of an obscurity really, when it comes to the use of RAM. Not only because it appears to affect the game in a negative way, but because the game was never officially announced to support Capcoms 4MB RAM cart.

The game was never bundled with a RAM cart pack, unlike it's successors and it makes no reference to the use of RAM as an option in any of the manuals (JP, US or PAL... the latter 2 regions for more obvious reasons). Not only that but the game has been designed to recognise ONLY 3MB of RAM as opposed to Capcoms, seemingly standard, 4MB offering via their OWN cart.

The other thing that is seemingly unique is that Marvel Super Heroes is the only title that ALLOWS the user to make a choice as to whether to run the game with OR without RAM - unlike ALL other titles that force you into having to use RAM to run the game properly. It all comes across as a bit hap-hazard imo ALTHOUGH I do applaud the concept (a seemingly flawed one!) whereby the user was GIVEN a choice of whether to use a RAM cart or not.

SO, ON THE WHOLE...
MSH is a bit of an anomaly, in that it supports the use of RAM but was never officially bundled by Capcom with their own RAM cart.

Another strange occurrence (as shown in an earlier video link, a page or two back) is that MSH, somehow, also recognises the input of SNK's own 1MB RAM cart! Although, I can't remember how well it functions under its usage.```

[quaint dove]

Interestingly the 4MB option in the core doesn’t cause slowdown in MSH I’m guessing the real 4MB was slower and he didn’t bother implementing that difference.

[dire tree]

1) The usage of RAM in MSH doesn't ACTUALLY exist
2) 3MB of RAM was a guessed amount of what size their up and coming RAM cart would support
3) that, in actual fact, inserting a RAM cart actually does F*CK ALL and perhaps only 'activates' the in-games extra animation feature but doesn't actually support it with the RAM it needs, thus why it's so slow and unoptimised under extra RAM mode.

These points would perhaps explain why MSH will run under 1MB > 3MB when indeed, it shouldn't. I reckon that there could be ZERO RAM on the cart and, if the Saturn recognised the connected ZERO RAM cart as RAM in general (although there's none actually there!) that MSH would still run with the extra animation, to the games detriment.```

looks like marvel super heroes is indeed an anomaly situation

[polar geode]

Cyberbots is in the same boat

[dire tree]

- it also had no ram cart pack-in version
- it also supported the 1MB cart
- it also had a 3MB MODE option in the options
Cyberbots had no slowdown from what I remember. It also had MUCH better quality sound.

Both MSH (JP) and Cyberbots also clearly state that they can take advantage of the RAM cartridge on their covers.```

im just pasting replies im reading

personally I have no idea

still not sure what to put in the Notes on the list

if anything is even needed

[quaint dove]

So MSH has no 1MB option in its menu. It has 3M RAM mode on or off. So it definitely just means 2MB + 1MB.

What notes are you adding?

[dire tree]

for this game, no idea

I dont see the point in even playing it when we have the arcade core

unless it has extra c ontent or something

but I could still add notes to it on the list

if you guys recommend adding some note just let me know what

but you said it works fine on mister and this is a mister list

[quaint dove]

Extra characters that require cheat roms/patches for arcade

[dire tree]

Marvel Super Heroes has extra characters on Saturn vs. Arcade?

[polar geode]

Cyberbots is what they meant I think

[dire tree]

its probably just the Japan arcade that has more characters

[polar geode]

Cyberbots has the extra characters, but also the Gouki mech that isnt in arcade. And all the voice acted story mode stuff.

[dire tree]

if something has more content in the arcade tab of the list on console just let me know

oh... alright

[ancient surge]

Cotton 2 has some similar weirdness. It uses extra RAM in order to have more voice clips play, but the "remix" version Cotton Boomerang drops the ram expansion support entirely with nothing lost.

[quaint dove]

Not extra - playable Thanos and Anita on both but the code is much easier to input on Saturn.

[dire tree]

im moving Cyberbots from arcade to Saturn list

or adding it there

with notes

[quaint dove]

MSH is fine to keep Arcade

[dire tree]

wouldnt the hacked versions be on the mister alternatives?

id have to look

[quaint dove]

They are

[dire tree]

arcade alternatives from update all

alright

but the cyberbots is not available in arcade right

[polar geode]

It is

[dire tree]

with the extra characters

or is that also an alternative rom

or console exclusive

ill load u mister and check

CRT booting, Check

Static Electricity on hair, Check

[polar geode]

Im checking

[dire tree]

oh jesus my wireless mister keyboard batteries died

[polar geode]

The extra character hack crashes the CPS2 core on MiSTer right now

[dire tree]

where is that? i see pheonix edition

that it?

[polar geode]

Go into arcade offset

[quaint dove]

Is this a list of “best version” of games across platforms on MiSTer?

That you’re working on?

Because that’ll need lots of notes. Games that have more content and are more “fun” on home ports but have inaccuracies from arcade so they’re not used competitively.

See: DoDonPachi, Street Fighter Alpha 3, etc.

[polar geode]

He's just making a Saturn list I think

[quaint dove]

Aah

I fired up Donpachi and was impressed by the number of options they included to try and make the game playable in Yoko mode n

“You want scaling or cropping? Hey we’ll even add scrolling!”

[dire tree]

Euro Access Mod?

[quaint dove]

And I like how Donpachi has options for both “tv” and “rgb tv” where rgb tv is scaled a bit smaller because presumably you can still make out the fine details only over rgb.

[polar geode]

There have been a few music hacks for Saturn arcade ports. Notably Batsugun has the new steam release's arranged tracks, and I did a hack for Darius II that adds the PC Engine CD arranged music

[dire tree]

i can add those to the arcade tab notes

send a link to the hacks

without the game, if available

I cant put links to actual game downloads, just hacks

and yes the whole list and all tabs are based on saturn

[polar geode]

There arent patches for Batsugun or Darius II, but if there were it would still contain copyrighted music to patch in so there wouldnt be a point

[dire tree]

alright

welll i could just mention they exist

if they do

[polar geode]

They definitely exist probably maybe in a link in my discord profile

[quaint dove]

For later note - Gradius/Salamander deluxe pack are better on PS1 than Saturn because Saturn can’t do 256px wide mode so it runs the arcade games with wrong aspect ratios.

[dire tree]

alright

[quaint dove]

Probably archived somewhere on the internet if I was to guess.

[polar geode]

Someone else was saying there were further issues with Parodius and Twinbee

I dont know about Gradius Deluxe Pack, but I'd imagine the resolution issues are there too

[quaint dove]

They are

[dire tree]

i think there are quite a few wrong aspect ratio on saturn

[quaint dove]

Was playing it last night

[dire tree]

i noticed from screenshots

[quaint dove]

It’s the same 256px curse that hit SOTN with the ugly hammer on Saturn.

[dire tree]

however, we must take into account if there are other issues on psx and weight them against that

[quaint dove]

As in: the Saturn can’t do it so either you stretch it to 320 or you pillarbox it.

[dire tree]

for example if a game on psx has proper aspect ratio, but runs and sounds worse than saturn.... saturn is still probably better

[quaint dove]

Gradius/Salamander at least don’t have that issue. They’re identical other than aspect ratio.

[dire tree]

id say performance and latency is the top 2 priorities

audio could be more important than slightly off aspect ratio too depending on severity

[quaint dove]

Vampire Savior is another interesting one. It’s technically a more complete package on Saturn than Arcade but it also has port inaccuracies that make people stick with Arcade for competition.

So if you’re playing for fun pick Saturn if you’re running a tournament pick Arcade.

I think most people would prefer Saturn version because if they play for tourneys they already know.

[dire tree]

i have it on the saturn list, but ill also add it to arcade and write a note

I probably should just use notes and put everything on all lists that the game exists for

lol @ Bugs Too! BHX intro logo

I need to calibrate this CRT it seems a little dark and a little too much red color

[drowsy skiff]

the metal slugs have additional modes on saturn/psx too

These saturn game lists are pretty good
https://vsrecommendedgames.miraheze.org/wiki/Saturn
https://vsrecommendedgames.miraheze.org/wiki/Saturn/Japan

[burnt matrix]

Is the Nintendo 64 better than the Sega Saturn?

[mortal mist]

YES

[drowsy skiff]

yes

[mortal mist]

But can't play Shining of holy ark on core and I'm heartbroken 😛

[burnt matrix]

[tiny flare]

Cheeky

[burnt matrix]

lolol

[mortal mist]

ban for Robby ....

[burnt matrix]

It’s ok, I’ve already accepted my death to be at the hands of a Sega fan

[mortal mist]

and the Nintendo 64 will never be better than the Saturn

NEVER

https://tenor.com/view/meh-idc-i-dont-care-whatever-duh-gif-17873786

I'll be honest, on N64 there are max 10 games I'll play....

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/supernatural-dean-winchester-oh-you-gif-22671182

[mortal mist]

I feel no love for this console

[analog totem]

Dang, playing Batman Forever Arcade with a friend…got to level…4 maybe? (had a few pops) It crashed

[pearl harbor]

That game is the bees knees.

[analog totem]

it’s pretty fun! we’re playing with arcade sticks 🕹️

[mortal mist]

play the psx version 😛

[dire tree]

oh... im missing that game on the list, which is better

[dire tree]

you would think so but its really more like 60+

I appreciate N64 more now since Robert made that core, than I have the past 20+ years

[mortal mist]

I'm not too interested in games from this console 🤷🏻‍♂️

[drowsy skiff]

anyone know how to take .bup saves from my saturn and use them with this core?

[drifting frigate]

I think one of these formats works. Mednafen maybe? https://segaxtreme.net/resources/saturn-save-converter.74/

Renamed appropriately, of course.

But that's a good way to get a bunch to throw at trying it.

[drowsy skiff]

i can try renaming the mednafen file it dumps out, asked here after finding that and not seeing anything come out as .sav

[drifting frigate]

You have to manually rename, yeah.

*if any of them work. I haven't looked into it a ton.

[drowsy skiff]

i mean even the extension though, medna's is .bkr. That works for gba games though so maybe, finding out now

[drifting frigate]

Yeah, find the one that's the same size as a saturn save in the core and try it. But yes, full rename. Extension and all.

[drowsy skiff]

actually the original .bup file is the same size, sec

oh no it's a converted bup from that program, thought I could skate around converting at all for a minute

yeah that works

brought my SOTN save over

[ancient fractal]

The Saturn core saves each byte as a 16 bit word with the actual data in the second byte, for some reason that probably makes sense

[naive whale]

Where dat?

[dire tree]

Saturn has a lot of experiences you can't get on other planets

every platform offers something unique

or every planet

Saturn isn't just about arcade ports and fighting games

Taco, you only care about fighting games right?

you need to play the greatest experience of all time... The Crow. I condemn you to play it for 8 hours straight

also on PSX

[drifting frigate]

😦

So bad.

[dire tree]

lol

[sharp mauve]

the n64 has 3 good games

[burnt matrix]

@sharp mauve if you like the Saturn reply yes to my comment

[burnt matrix]

Yes, this is a trap

[high bramble]

3 good games. The rest are great!

[drifting frigate]

http://signgen.dopieral.ski:88/result?sid=flodf3qf5gtx4ulbnnr1qrnd

[polar geode]

XD

[burnt matrix]

When I own the Clockwork Knight trademark we’ll see who be laughing last!

[dire tree]

Clockwork Studio

Robby's destiny

[sudden tusk]

Homies crib

[sudden tusk]

I also care about your mom

But nahh seriously I care about a lot of shit

[dire tree]

uh huh, sure ya do

like... video games

Tacos

and thats it

oh and everyone's mothers

[sudden tusk]

Specially your mothers

But nah im a man of many interest ..

Most of em involve video and or games

But I also love extreme sports

Like banging your mom

And volleyball

[dire tree]

So volleyball, my mother, and video games

[burnt matrix]

Speaking of extreme sports, that Steep Slope Sliders sure is something…

[dire tree]

yea you are a man of many many interests

[burnt matrix]

Is it me? Do I need to spend more time with the game?

[dire tree]

its good

might be something better on psx

or 1080 on n64

[sudden tusk]

I don’t know bros .. but when it comes to snowboarding games they ain’t feel right until the ps2 era with SSX and SSX tricky

[dire tree]

there is no ps2 core

[sudden tusk]

And now I’m sad

[dire tree]

just cause SSX is better doesnt mean everything before it is not good

[sudden tusk]

Personally i was playing and still play the tony hawks series

During that era and beyond

But I digress ..

[dire tree]

skateboarding is different... nothing came close to tony hawk

[sudden tusk]

Exactly

[dire tree]

but there are good snowboarding games before ssx

just not as good as ssx

[sudden tusk]

1080 as mentioned before would be my pick of the litter

[dire tree]

yea probably

[sudden tusk]

Although no one ever talks about cool boarders

For psx

[burnt matrix]

Any other extreme sports games on the Saturn?

[dire tree]

cool boarders is good

[burnt matrix]

Yah I like it

[dire tree]

not that I can think of

[sudden tusk]

Saturn wasn’t exactly known for sports games , conventional or of the extreme variety ..

Unfortunately

Big misstep for sega

But that’s a whole other can of worms

[dire tree]

it has some good sports but I dont think any extreme sports

[sudden tusk]

Even conventional sports tittles worth mentioning are far and few in between on the Saturn ..

And I love me some classic sports ..

[dire tree]

there is at least 10

[sudden tusk]

You taking to a dude that plays nhl 94 on the regular

[sudden tusk]

Please enlighten us with your list

[dire tree]

NHL All Star Hockey was the good one on Saturn

[drifting frigate]

Do you do the updated roster hacks? AMAZING!

[dire tree]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1sK0nsXIKW3Rb-xkHZRXXqOb9yIdfoNAhF_BKSDt2Hn4/edit?usp=sharing

[sudden tusk]

Si, and tecmo bowl

And nba jam although those aren’t realistic **

[dire tree]

arcade style is more fun

[sudden tusk]

Playing as Mahomes on tecmo is hilarious

[polar geode]

Tecmo Super Bowl is where its at

[sudden tusk]

Yes that’s what I meant

super tecmo bowl gets all the hacks

[dire tree]

as a kid I played Joe Montana sports talk football

NFL 2K games were great on Dreamcast

[sudden tusk]

That’s not Saturn

Although yes im looking forward to some nfl 2k

[dire tree]

for Saturn you should be playing Quarterback Attack for 24 hours straight

Madden was the best on Saturn but its also on PSX

[sudden tusk]

Put down the bong bro

[dire tree]

Madden 98 was the last EA SEGA game

EA football I mean

[sudden tusk]

EA was like fuck that DC shit

[dire tree]

Madden 98 is good

I dont care about it, but its a good football game

[sudden tusk]

You think sega would have been better off going the developer route after Saturn ?

Never released the DC ?

[dire tree]

then we wouldnt have dreamcast

so no

[sudden tusk]

True ..

[dire tree]

I wish they still made consoles

[naive whale]

I want to buy one of those cabs

[sudden tusk]

Do it ! I’ll come and wreck you on it and give you buyers remorse fr rl

[naive whale]

Ask him how much for an Astro

For real (it’s fine if he says not for sale)

[sudden tusk]

Yeah not for sale

[naive whale]

Matrimelee at dawn!

[naive whale]

That’s what I figured

[sudden tusk]

Those are staying down there , I believe it took him years to acquired all of that ..

[naive whale]

Well if he ever wants trade bait I’ve got a couple two tree boards stashed here somewhere

[sudden tusk]

Dude has Og cps2 and cps3 hardware ..

He is set

[dire tree]

but does he have a mister

[sudden tusk]

Im just glad I can play the game good enough to get invited to dope ass setups like that

[dire tree]

the ultimate in retro gaming hardware

[sudden tusk]

It can get a little out of hand though when you are the dude to beat at the game .. but it’s fun

[sudden tusk]

Not yet but I’m pretty sure after hearing me yap about it for about an hour he will

[subtle tusk]

Saturn isn't just fighting games and schmups, it's also 800 untranslated visual novels

[dire tree]

lol

and RPGs

im down for a sci-fi visual novel

or horror

I wonder if there are any

[ancient surge]

Also strip mahjong

[misty raven]

They call it the Nintendo 64 because when you see it you turn around 64 degrees and walk away

[tiny flare]

the best visual novels are law based

[drifting frigate]

Hell, strip jankenpon...

[dire tree]

anyon e know the best mahjong games?

[left hollow]

Are there any anime games on saturn?

[drifting frigate]

Space Jam </s>

[left hollow]

That's my favourite anime

[dire tree]

games based on anime? quite a few I imagine. Also manga

[left hollow]

Yea i was just joking :p

[dire tree]

nah this is serious

[tiny flare]

anime based games!? On a console that was popular in Japan? Unheard of

[left hollow]

I took a look at the the saturn library a few times and its all oops how can i hold all this anime

Probably better off asking which games don't have anime on saturn

[dire tree]

everyone shitting on saturn today

[left hollow]

No i like the saturn i'm just bugging

Needs more English translations tho

[dire tree]

yeah, it does

[trim nimbus]

can the playstation give you 10 player basketball games? I don’t think so

[cosmic bear]

How about Magic Knight Rayearth?

[pearl harbor]

Magic Knight Rayearth is the anime game on Saturn.

It's also a fat baby game according to someone who shall remain obvious.|| @burnt matrix ||

[left hollow]

That's actually the first game I tested the saving function on the core was

Got stuck there for an hour with skippable dialogue just to get to the first save point

Maybe it wasn't an hour. But it was an excessively long time, I'd rather spend a minute mashing the a button with the owl in ocarina of time over that

[sharp dove]

Thought of Slayers Royal 1 + 2, though both are JPN-only so far

[winter phoenix]

Slam Dunk would like a word

[sharp dove]

Also one cult classic mecha anime has a Saturn VN-game which is supposed to bridge the gap between the show and the movie (also JPN-only...)

Speaking of Mecha anime, I'm hunching Super Robot Wars-game or two on this

[pearl harbor]

More like Slam Dung am I right?

[polar geode]

Shots fired

[sharp dove]

[sharp dove]

Sakura Wars is right there

Unless we talking only licensed anime games

[pearl harbor]

Yeah, Sakura Wars is a game that had an anime! Not an anime that had a game!

[polar geode]

Uhm excuse me

Time Bokan?

God

[sharp dove]

Ohh yeah, I need to experience that Revolutionary Girl Utena-VN game with it at least having a translation

(Don't look at the opening, you will be left very freaked out)

[digital mauve]

There were a lot of those chinese cartoon games on Saturn wasn't there?

[ripe valley]

FYI, I'm testing Shinrei Jusatsushi Taromaru today on the current core.

Previous versions crashed the core on a specific point, after the boss on the boat and our disembarking.
Now the game is at least more playable (no more cutting sounds and music + no more crash at that point) and I tested up to the giant frog boss so far.
So at least 1/3 of the total game right now, without any major issue.

[burnt matrix]

lol

I just don’t get it. The Saturn is this 2D powerhouse and they chose to make their sprites look like that…

[kindred peak]

Don't be throwing fat baby stones when you live in the Vaseline smeared baby game world of N64, @burnt matrix

Saturn is all about that 'tude

[burnt matrix]

If this were a fantasy land:

• N64 would be the Vaseline swamps
• Saturn would be the munchkin village
• PlayStation would be wobbling jagged cliffs

[stiff patrol]

Pc is the Elysian Fields where we can look down on the console peasants

[kindred peak]

Safely ensconced in our ivory Voodoo-powered towers.

[burnt matrix]

the Elysian Fields are filled with soft squishy dumb dumbs.

us Orcs from vaseline swamps strong due to inverted sticks.

[digital mauve]

3DO would be the crystal palace on the hill.

[stiff patrol]

or the Elysian Fields Septic Tank

[drifting crown]

Atari Jaguar the sewers?

[stiff patrol]

Atari Jaguar is the undiscovered Country

[polar geode]

So I guess the NES land would be some backward luddite kingdom with people emptying chamber pots of waste out their window at this point in the fantasy timeline

[exotic path]

Wait how is Bug 2 (Bug Too)? I didn't know this existed

[burnt matrix]

It’s Bug! but better!

[sharp dove]

Turbografx-16 is a tower at the highest top of the hills and mountains almost reaching to space

[polar geode]

With a giant PCFX slug parasite attached to it

[dire tree]

What are the best Mahjong games on Saturn?

[dire tree]

also chess if there are any

[kindred peak]

It's Bug! but more. Take that as you will.

I found myself revisiting both games yesterday with all the Bug! talk lately. They... are as bleh as ever. 😆

[polar geode]

https://youtu.be/jOut-C37rbw?si=FYgGVpDdY6whLcDM&t=6

Bug game on Saturn?

Yo homie

Peep this

[kindred peak]

Should've called it "Bug! Densetsu"

Or "Weeb!"

[polar geode]

Bug Legend?

[kindred peak]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[polar geode]

Im terribly sorry, I just wanted to talk about a good bug related game on Saturn this morning.

Does that offend you people?

[kindred peak]

Bug! is a neat footnote because the devs were trying to figure out how a 3D platformer could work. And that was their take on it.

Tempo is a perfectly good 2D platformer.

imagines what a modern Astal could be 🥺

[polar geode]

You people brought this gif on yourselves

[trim nimbus]

I doubt the nadesico game will ever get translated.

[sharp dove]

DON'T REMIND ME

(This series is so dang obscure these days, does it need a meme to rejuvenate interest on it)

[polar geode]

That Gundam Saturn game just got translated didnt it?

[sharp dove]

Yep

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp4on8x5J7c

[trim nimbus]

But everyone knows gundam.

[sharp dove]

Pretty much

[trim nimbus]

Nadesico was actually about 10 years too early. It did a lot of the genre subversion 4th wall stuff pretty early.

[polar geode]

Now see here you casuals

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebC7yIbbSYk

Time Bokan is available

So I dont want to hear about your newfangled "Goondumbs"

[sharp dove]

Yeah - too bad the momentum for the series got dashed post-TV series

Funny still to watch folks to know Akito Tenkawa more as his Prince of Darkness-self than the original TV series thanks to latest English entries of Super Robot Wars...

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/peasant-bleach-byakuya-gif-10940425

[sharp dove]

Looks wild

[polar geode]

https://media.giphy.com/media/ZRnARgO3AWiBHAgJsQ/giphy.gif

Good, one more lost soul informed of Time Bokan. My work is done.

[sharp dove]

I know a bit about it, if only due the villain trio influencing some beloved chars today

[polar geode]

Is Team Rocket inspired by the incompetent villains from Nadia?

[sharp dove]

DON'T YOU DARE CALL GRANDIS GANG INCOMPETENT

[polar geode]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1117951625999433909/1158047201801535598/image0.gif?ex=651ad300&is=65198180&hm=6c26be3ed7a7592d40ec83c45f1d802a5c4c0a6a68e82b834cbd996b6ac32caa&

The weebs are gathering in #1046941029296779344, it'll smell like a brewery in here before long..

[sharp dove]

Saturn just happens to have good bit of neat anime tie-ins

[ancient surge]

Oh the Doronbo Gang are famous for kickstarting an anime/manga cliche of having a trio of comic relief villains, typically consisting of two boys and a girl.

[sharp dove]

Also this post I remember circulating around Tumblr

https://funnyjunk.com/Time+bokan/svwiMfi/

[dire tree]

https://github.com/SaffronCR/saturn-chess

we found chess boys

alright there is no saturn chess but there is a dreamcast one

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/lewd-exultant-anime-laugh-sweet-gif-16881610

[sharp dove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBAwWsbwnvM

Woah, this scene's more spicy than I thought

[polar geode]

lol

[sharp dove]

(Anyway must stop here before @polar geode actually ends up right about this place smelling like brewery)

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/weird-smile-anime-creepy-smirk-gif-16482942

[dire tree]

https://segaretro.org/Category:Saturn_table_games

[burnt matrix]

Sega fans be like:

• ”woah this obscure cartoon game for children is so cool”
• “woah I hope they translate this other obscure game based on a children’s cartoon”

[polar geode]

Translate.. snrkt

Skill issue..

[sharp dove]

I don't usually care much about anime tie-in games but it's kinda crazy when once in a very rare blue moon some of these cartoons happen to force canon events to another medium entirely

It didn't work too well with .Hack either

(And I'm a fan...)

[polar geode]

No Rurouni Kenshin on Saturn?

[dire tree]

magumi!!!!!

[sharp dove]

Rurouni Kenshin hardly has games from my memory

[dire tree]

I only remember something on psx

probably something on snes maybe

[sharp dove]

2 games on PSX

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/games/franchise/1616-rurouni-kenshin

[burnt matrix]

Roo-rowdy Ken’s Shin? Is that a wrestler?

[dire tree]

lol

[polar geode]

🤠

[dire tree]

I like the CARTOON for it

[polar geode]

Cartoon? phlegmy snort

[dire tree]

I also like the Berserk CARTOON

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-cat-noises-shout-anime-scream-angry-gif-16517686

[tall radish]

S e GAH 64X

[sharp dove]

My kind of

Adult Party Cartoon

[polar geode]

I have so many questions

[tall radish]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxCuu4N7Af8

[polar geode]

Another toilet add on

This youtuber is so annoying

[sharp dove]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9OM4igo0GBY

[tall radish]

yeah, even sega abandoned the idea.

[tall radish]

"Yeah"

[trim nimbus]

Weren’t the genesis games in that Saturn Sega Ages collection based on anime? Quack shot and Castle of Illusion?

[polar geode]

I think Ill go running back to @naive whale's channel screaming now

[naive whale]

Lol what did I do?

[polar geode]

Be a good youtube channel

Unlike this shit

Im sorry I was mean before, this is horrible and I wont complain about anything you make anymore

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/sunday-misato-sunday-misato-mommisato-mommy-misato-gif-4957652891884809716

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/misatocry-misato-crying-anime-gif-21588290

[naive whale]

Lol I’m not following but I’ll take the compliment 🤣

ESP because my stalker / death threat dude reappeared this morning!

[tall radish]

Mo cat tail!

[polar geode]

eww

[naive whale]

Lol it happens 🤷🏻‍♂️

[polar geode]

I have 33 subscribers, nobody cares enough to stalk me

[naive whale]

I’d post the photos for the laughs but it’s some real not PC stuff

[sudden tusk]

Dang , whats their issue?

[naive whale]

I DMd you the photos for the laughs

So you get the flavor without me putting that in public. Bad language

[kindred peak]

Death threats... over old video games...

The internet was a mistake.

[polar geode]

The unwashed masses ruin everything

sniffs the air a bit, grimacing

[dire tree]

I dont even understand the hate. Doesnt make any sense

[kindred peak]

At least nobody has started talking about IPAs yet...

[dire tree]

must just be a lunatic that gets triggered by your voice for no reason or something

or maybe a psychopath that hates 3do

people get triggered with 3do

[polar geode]

Hot garbage in a bottle

[trim nimbus]

I think it is the anti-bacon agenda. Who looks at bacon and says , “aww, I wish it were something else”

[kindred peak]

"Hey! Have you tried [IPA with a pun name] yet? It is LITERALLY undrinkable. Amazing. I gagged immediately. Like drinking broken glass with rotten mouse flesh. 5 stars on Untapped."

[polar geode]

XD

[kindred peak]

When anyone asks what living in Portland in the 2000s was like, I should just paste that text.

[polar geode]

The hipster vibe continued on until about.. 2016-2017 I want to say

[pearl harbor]

Robby dropping the truth bombs.

[dire tree]

lol

what would 3DO be

[polar geode]

A confederacy of dunces

https://tenor.com/view/anime-smile-make-face-funny-lol-gif-17446241

[sudden tusk]

That shit is crazy bro ..: sorry you have to deal with lame ass shit like that simply for doing your thing

[polar geode]

You put yourself out there and enough people know, the creeps come out from under their rocks I guess

[naive whale]

What are the odds. Saw an hour ago

[polar geode]

An unholy matrimony

[dire tree]

no such thing as accidents or coincidences... its a sign from Creation

what you focus on is what you see

and attract

[tidal marsh]

yeah it's fun how that happens

[dire tree]

its known as synchronicity

many times I was thinking about money and within minutes found money on the ground

[tidal marsh]

synchronise deez

[dire tree]

One cannot synchronize a sack of deez, when one of them hangs lower my son

these are the way of the ancient monks

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/ree-reee-reeee-reeeee-scree-gif-12568403

[drifting frigate]

Be glad it wasn't the original GIF ....it's been a hard recovery for me. @burnt matrix has been a good sponsor.

[naive whale]

Hahaha Segata would destroy Mario

[sudden tusk]

Found the seaman thing at the local game shop

[dire tree]

where is the mic

[untold flame]

in case no one knows, you can actually plug in any 3.5mm TRS mic to the adapter, so you can just grab a new flexible lav of that type on amazon or ebay and it'll work just fine

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/sega-saturn-sega-saturn-sega-saturn-logo-earth-gif-3545008708553501614

[sharp mauve]

baroque is beautiful

[tiny flare]

got your fishing rod yet?

can't play Soul Calibur without a fishing rod

[sudden tusk]

No mic …:(

But I’m sure I can find it separate cheap

[sudden tusk]

Working on it

[kindred peak]

I look forward to you gettin gud in Sega Marine Fishing, which is one of many reasons to own a DC.

[naive whale]

ok kids

OR

for Thursday

[feral fractal]

Top is more eye catching, especially on mobile or 4k, when it'll be the size of a postage stamp.

[naive whale]

That’s what I figured as well

[dire tree]

top, but in 3D

[drifting frigate]

Yoshi Vu style or red/blue?

[dire tree]

whats the yoshi vu

red/blue would be cool but nobody would see the effect. I would probably just make it look more 3D with layering and shadows in photoshop

and enhancing the different parts of the dragon to simulate greater distances

[drifting frigate]

Separated layers/simulated 3D planar stuff.

[drifting frigate]

Basically this

[dire tree]

yea i guess thats what I am talking about

I would make the head closer

and the player character

[kindred peak]

Or... hold up... he could use a shot of a good game.

[burnt matrix]

Oh I get it, simulate 3D much like Sega simulated 3D on the Saturn.

[kindred peak]

ZING!

[dire tree]

00f

[trim nimbus]

Like criticom

[burnt matrix]

my real goal is uniting all the SEGA fans against a common enemy (me)

I am that misunderstood but empathetic comic book villain

[sudden tusk]

I’m all about that Dreamcast now

It’s thinking ….

https://tenor.com/view/shenmue-sega-sega-dreamcast-dreamcast-ryo-gif-26563147

[feral fractal]

Has anyone tried that Asura the Striker demo on Steam? It feel like a Naomi era Space Harrier. Might be good if everything comes together.

[naive whale]

The best Sega console ever

[feral fractal]

Shenmue had the best Space Harrier port.

[pearl harbor]

The Switch version is pretty darn good.

[kindred peak]

Your mom has the best Space Harrier port.

[polar geode]

🤯

[kindred peak]

60 fps.

[feral fractal]

Yeah, she has the Shenmue one.

[polar geode]

The switch version is a port of the 3DS port isnt it? Outrun is too

[pearl harbor]

Enjoy docking into that 73 year old port.

[feral fractal]

The arcade had an analogue flight stick, most ports just do digital or have a weird dead zone that feels off.

[polar geode]

"My mother is dead, you monster."

[feral fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/the-exorcist-regan-mac-neil-exorcist-creepy-gif-14050988

[kindred peak]

Geeez.

[hollow quiver]

https://youtu.be/hiWL6JDHpC0?si=z_1T9RV_OrjiVgtR

@tawny forge

[digital mauve]

"ROARING START!!"

[visual grove]

Sure Nintendo has had massive financial success and PlayStation effectively ended Sega, but it doesn’t matter because neither of them had ROLLLLLLINGGG STAAAAAAAHT

[sudden tusk]

It’s …. “Rolling start”

[digital mauve]

Track 3. That is is definitely a "roaring"

https://youtu.be/tpoeFw3H8E0?si=XWEHtCl64BfoKoSO

[sudden tusk]

I prefer this track .. it’s so butt rock .. https://youtu.be/2RibBj1i-z0?si=p0u9Us1DhTLXALPd

[digital mauve]

The SS version was re sampled.

[sudden tusk]

Ima be playing Daytona 2001 on my Dreamcast

[digital mauve]

I like both versions of Rolling/Roaring start and the whole soundtrack for it in general, it's iconic. Slight edge to the arcade version because I find the Engrish endearing.

[sudden tusk]

Yeah this era of game music belongs to sega ..

[dire tree]

as much as I love the original this song kicks ass too

I was listening to it on loop on mister the other day

in the background

[sudden tusk]

Lol rock on!

I like listening to it while I drive

[dire tree]

is the other songs in the game like that?

i only watched the opening

for the CCE Net Link Edition I mean

[high bramble]

Listening to it while driving doesn't sound like a terribly great idea. 🤣

Too tempting to let muscle memory take over.

[dire tree]

that type of music is great while driving

especially speeding on the highway

[high bramble]

"Gotta make it to the checkpoint before time runs out!"

I'm typically always listening to high(ish)-energy electronic music while driving (trance, progressive house, etc.), so I get it. Great background music that doesn't require any attention to enjoy. Just let it bump at a steady BPM.

[dire tree]

https://youtu.be/7RNsvqhvrdM?si=IPSi9ogC0rbqjnLm&t=62

SEGA should have got this song for that Daytona version too

it was in the FreeJack movie about the racer crashing and time travelling

what you think @sudden tusk

would have been perfect for a track

I guess you can just replace songs an repackage the iso

[sudden tusk]

Not my favorite scorpions track but I wouldn’t skip it if it came on

[dire tree]

what is your favorite

[sudden tusk]

The zoo

And big city nights

[polar geode]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3yWYPlpn1c

[dire tree]

the zoo is too slow for daytona though

[polar geode]

No, I dont know if King's special move is named after the track

[dire tree]

Big City Nights would work

i still think Hit Between the Eyes works best

purely speaking for while racing in Daytona

[high bramble]

Van Halen - Panama

[dire tree]

im gonna check the days of thunder soundtrack

[high bramble]

or Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby. 😉

[dire tree]

nothing in days of thunder

[high bramble]

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/7h3k47DAsFbaHzVPRfputa

[polar geode]

[high bramble]

"Kickstart My Heart" is always a classic.