Sega Saturn | MiSTer FPGA | Page 24

hard mountain Sep 25, 2023, 6:09 AM

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so I have everything to discover

shrewd patrol Sep 25, 2023, 6:12 AM

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The core finally got good enough that I've bothered to move all my Saturn games to my SD card! Exciting times

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I still can't beat Panzer Dragoon 1 though 😢

mortal mist Sep 25, 2023, 6:26 AM

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shrewd patrol I still can't beat Panzer Dragoon 1 though 😢

why? 😛

shrewd patrol Sep 25, 2023, 7:05 AM

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Too hard, I'm a noob

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I get frustrated around Stage 5

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I beat Panzer Dragoon 2 though!

mortal mist Sep 25, 2023, 7:06 AM

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shrewd patrol I get frustrated around Stage 5

you can do it!

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I'll admit , i never finished Panzer Dragoon 2

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now's a good time 🙂

wise brook Sep 25, 2023, 11:13 AM

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hard mountain so I have everything to discover

there's over 1000 games on Saturn, so yeah, lots of hidden gems to discover.

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it's got a foot in both worlds of mid 90's game design.
sprite graphics that even a neo-geo would be impressed by and nothing else matched, and quadrilateral "3d" graphics

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I love how Sega Rally looks all these years later

tiny flare Sep 25, 2023, 11:28 AM

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I mean there's nothing air quotes "3D" about fully perspective transformed quads

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I don't think the Saturn's quirks are that much more severe than ie, the playstation's

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although sure, neither were quite as forward-looking as the N64

thorn pagoda Sep 25, 2023, 11:32 AM

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you could argue that without a hardware z-buffer neither saturn or psx is even really a 3d console

tiny flare Sep 25, 2023, 11:33 AM

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eh, you could mostly get around the hidden surface problem in software with the painter's algorithm, although yeah games often had artifacts because of it

willow pawn Sep 25, 2023, 11:33 AM

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The GTE is 2D

tiny flare Sep 25, 2023, 11:36 AM

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all "3D" graphics are 2D 😉

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but no, I don't think perfectly solved visibility is a pre-requisite to say that do or don't have 3d graphics

thorn pagoda Sep 25, 2023, 11:36 AM

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sure then you can argue the 2600 is also a 3d console

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its pretty arbritrary either way

tiny flare Sep 25, 2023, 11:38 AM

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although yeah, for sure N64 was the closest to modern 3D with a depth buffer, mip mapping and modern texture sampling modes, and even what is essentially a fully programmable vertex pipeline

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not to mention hardware lighting

thorn pagoda Sep 25, 2023, 11:38 AM

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perspective correct texturing too

wise brook Sep 25, 2023, 11:39 AM

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tiny flare all "3D" graphics are 2D 😉

that exactly why I put 3d in air quotes.

the only really 3d games are vr or 3ds

thorn pagoda Sep 25, 2023, 11:39 AM

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in vr circles they call all none-vr games 2d games heh

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i can see that argument too

tiny flare Sep 25, 2023, 11:39 AM

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I mean VR is just 2d x2 lol

wise brook Sep 25, 2023, 11:40 AM

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I want vr. but xbox series doesn't have any support and I'm not interested in ps5

willow pawn Sep 25, 2023, 11:40 AM

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Virtual boy is the true 3D system

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Virtual boy and 3DS

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And PS3

wise brook Sep 25, 2023, 11:41 AM

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I had those ps3 games. and a very cool headset that could actually display them in 3d

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hmz-t3.

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was a cool piece of kit, sadly early oled do go nasty in time

tiny flare Sep 25, 2023, 11:44 AM

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I still have an old LG display that could do the 3D stuff with special glasses

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absolutely terrible, laggy and smeary display otherwise, straight from the dark ages of televisions

polar geode Sep 25, 2023, 11:46 AM

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Famicom 3D was kind of fun, for certain games

hard mountain Sep 25, 2023, 11:51 AM

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chd support would be nice, but I guess I can start with a very curated game selection

polar geode Sep 25, 2023, 11:55 AM

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You can always just convert to chd once support is added

tiny flare Sep 25, 2023, 12:04 PM

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I was lazy and ended up pulling down the entire collection, even uncompressed it's surprisingly tractable, at just shy of 1TB

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much smaller than the PSX collection at least

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although yeah still kind of silly, there's no way you could or would ever want to play all of these games...

polar geode Sep 25, 2023, 12:15 PM

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I curate heavily on everything, on the premise that learning about a system library in the process is its own reward

burnt matrix Sep 25, 2023, 12:24 PM

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DAMN, didn’t know we had Richie rich in our midst

ancient surge Sep 25, 2023, 12:30 PM

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I think curating is the way to go for the systems that use discs. They just use a lot more memory than the cartridge ROMs files, so trying to cram everything into storage will eat up space very fast.

wise brook Sep 25, 2023, 12:33 PM

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polar geode Famicom 3D was kind of fun, for certain games

and Master System! I own both and hope one day the functionality is added to MiSTer

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the famicom one used a DB connector and the Master System one used the My Card slot so I have no idea how possible snac would be

polar geode Sep 25, 2023, 12:35 PM

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I think they were compatible on some level, like both used a 3.5mm jack and plugged into their own respective adapters

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I cant recall

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I found a pair of Asus 3D PC glasses from the 90s that worked on both a while back though

wise brook Sep 25, 2023, 12:36 PM

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imagine if it could use the tape connector

acoustic sable Sep 25, 2023, 12:37 PM

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At least one of the 8bit computer cores can do tape by 3.5mm, I forget which

wise brook Sep 25, 2023, 12:37 PM

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yeah that thing

acoustic sable Sep 25, 2023, 12:38 PM

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I was all “Neat. But anyway” about it 🙂 I’ve paid my R: Tape Loading Error 0/1 dues thank you.

polar geode Sep 25, 2023, 12:39 PM

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Im with you there, some experiences can be left in the past

burnt matrix Sep 25, 2023, 12:39 PM

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ancient surge I think curating is the way to go for the systems that use discs. They just use ...

I agree. I think the act of curation is also a really good exercise to learn the platform and it’s library. I had an incredible amount of fun doing that for the Saturn for example. Such a hugely diverse library with amazingly cool games.

topaz mica Sep 25, 2023, 12:39 PM

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I remember buying the adc in module just to fill in the gap on my pcb case

tiny flare Sep 25, 2023, 12:53 PM

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at some point I'll do some degree of curation once CHD is supported - then I'll find more games I like to just transfer from my NAS to my SD card 😄

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but yeah, when space is not an issue it's very easy to get lazy

burnt matrix Sep 25, 2023, 12:55 PM

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tiny flare but yeah, when space is not an issue it's very easy to get lazy

I don’t think it’s lazy, I just think it’s probably easier to curate by actually playing the games instead of reading up on it. I don’t download whole packs myself so I tend to curate beforehand.

digital mauve Sep 25, 2023, 12:55 PM

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Was going to get started with the PSX core but I think I better wait or I am going to get a nasty gram from my ISP.

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The Saturn set wasn't horrible but still nearly a TB.

tiny flare Sep 25, 2023, 12:57 PM

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definitely do not download the whole PSX set, it's 3.5tb uncompressed

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and all you get for your trouble is like, 100 disney games in every language under the sun

digital mauve Sep 25, 2023, 12:59 PM

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I got space for it but I don't want to piss of the fiber provider cause the other options around me are expensive.

kindred peak Sep 25, 2023, 1:01 PM

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burnt matrix DAMN, didn’t know we had Richie rich in our midst

No Neo Geo listed. That means money, not wealth. 😄

digital mauve Sep 25, 2023, 1:02 PM

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Would be nice if there was a fast way pick and choose what you want but only way I got is copy paste all the links into a download manager and delete later.

polar geode Sep 25, 2023, 1:03 PM

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kindred peak No Neo Geo listed. That means money, not wealth. 😄

AES fullset or GTFO

kindred peak Sep 25, 2023, 1:03 PM

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Anything less means you're "a poor".

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Oh, wait, this isn't the NeoGeo forums... 😅

polar geode Sep 25, 2023, 1:04 PM

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I had an AES in the 00s, $80 shipped with 2 Jellybean sticks and Samsho3/KOTM 2. Sold it, went supergun and MVS 1C and later 1F. AES is a waste of time and money

kindred peak Sep 25, 2023, 1:06 PM

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Well... unless you want to collect AES games.

polar geode Sep 25, 2023, 1:06 PM

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Collect MVS instead. Unless you're super hot on those labels

kindred peak Sep 25, 2023, 1:08 PM

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And boxes. I have a meager MVS collection in Shock boxes. Looks good on a shelf.

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Only downside of MVS, especially buying online... I've ended up with multiple MVS carts that absolutely stink of cigarette smoke. It's awful.

burnt matrix Sep 25, 2023, 1:09 PM

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AES > MVS

kindred peak Sep 25, 2023, 1:10 PM

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Now who's the rich person?

digital mauve Sep 25, 2023, 1:10 PM

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kindred peak Only downside of MVS, especially buying online... I've ended up with multiple MV...

I see you collect Japanese carts. 😂

kindred peak Sep 25, 2023, 1:10 PM

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NGCD > Robby

topaz mica Sep 25, 2023, 1:10 PM

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the smoke adds to the authenticity

high bramble Sep 25, 2023, 1:11 PM

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More cultured

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Helps insulate and protect the ICs.

topaz mica Sep 25, 2023, 1:11 PM

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yes

digital mauve Sep 25, 2023, 1:12 PM

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It's almost unbelievable how filthy and covered in tar Japanese arcade hardware is.

kindred peak Sep 25, 2023, 1:12 PM

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I have a US copy of Ninja Combat that smells terrible. You can see the yellow hue to the black plastic.

polar geode Sep 25, 2023, 1:13 PM

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digital mauve It's almost unbelievable how filthy and covered in tar Japanese arcade hardware ...

A lot of cabinets literally sit outside

digital mauve Sep 25, 2023, 1:15 PM

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polar geode A lot of cabinets literally sit outside

Maybe but the stuff I got seems like it was in a room full of smokers for decades. I tore down my Sega Blast cabinet and soaked everything in simple green to clean it up.

polar geode Sep 25, 2023, 1:15 PM

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Oh, yeah game centers and smoking, no surprise there

digital mauve Sep 25, 2023, 1:16 PM

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Stuff did clean it up.

polar geode Sep 25, 2023, 1:16 PM

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If I smoked I'd want one of those official Taito branded ashtrays lol

topaz mica Sep 25, 2023, 1:16 PM

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a buddy of mine had one labeled 'Sega Club'

digital mauve Sep 25, 2023, 1:17 PM

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polar geode If I smoked I'd want one of those official Taito branded ashtrays lol

They are cool, I got reproduction ones for tokens.

polar geode Sep 25, 2023, 1:17 PM

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Nice :D

ancient surge Sep 25, 2023, 1:39 PM

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tiny flare and all you get for your trouble is like, 100 disney games in every language und...

What do you mean you don't want to play Disney's Aladdin in Nasira's Revenge in Russian

willow pawn Sep 25, 2023, 2:37 PM

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The Ultimate PSX game is Schnappi Das kleine Krokodil

leaden dagger Sep 25, 2023, 3:48 PM

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I have a stupid question. Given the ram weirdness I keep hearing about with this core. Should I spring for some 3.0 ram? I have 2.9

wise brook Sep 25, 2023, 3:49 PM

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nah, 2.9 is fine

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I have a retrocastle MiSTer on 2.9 and everything works

leaden dagger Sep 25, 2023, 3:52 PM

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okay

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cool

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I have to build my mister addons case so I've been hesitant to do that

pearl harbor Sep 25, 2023, 3:54 PM

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wise brook I have a retrocastle MiSTer on 2.9 and everything works

We RetroCastle peeps gotta stick together.

leaden dagger Sep 25, 2023, 3:55 PM

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All the different kinds of Mister set ups get my weird tinkerer brain going with a desire to build them all

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Retrocastle
Misteraddons aluminum and Mistercade
Ironclad ITX

wise brook Sep 25, 2023, 3:55 PM

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yep, got my little one for taking out and about, and my itx one for a more pro setup

leaden dagger Sep 25, 2023, 3:56 PM

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I have no facilities for 3d printing but I REALLY want the retrofrog case

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too

drifting frigate Sep 25, 2023, 4:08 PM

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Just never Blister.

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(j/k, play however you like.)

leaden dagger Sep 25, 2023, 4:10 PM

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Lol my brain went in a very VERY cursed direction of "just build misters for each console core and put a mister with a Snax in each shell" and my wallet climbed out of my pocket and slapped me

wise brook Sep 25, 2023, 4:12 PM

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I wonder whatever became of that Saturn MiSTer daughterboard

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https://twitter.com/whybrow_joel/status/1600459093814104066?t=4zGlk4PvH6OK5WbhaP_KXQ&s=19

Joel Whybrow (@whybrow_joel)

#SiSTerFPGA and it's 4 sub PCBAs ready for prototype, just need to find the money for them. I do wonder about the ethics of releasing something to potentially ruin perfectly working MK1 Saturns. I guess it depends how many folks want to put a MiSTer in a Saturn case? #MiSTerFPGA

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looks like it's still potentially happening

kindred peak Sep 25, 2023, 4:20 PM

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Funky.

kind stump Sep 25, 2023, 4:27 PM

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wise brook https://twitter.com/whybrow_joel/status/1600459093814104066?t=4zGlk4PvH6OK5WbhaP...

@earnest sand might want to chime in 🙂

burnt matrix Sep 25, 2023, 4:28 PM

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We continue to get a lot of the same questions so I went ahead and updated the pins to include a Your Questions Answered pin. Please give me feedback if you see something missing, thank you.

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Also brought the pins up to formatting standards

pearl harbor Sep 25, 2023, 4:37 PM

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Robby doing something helpful? Classic Robby! 🥹

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You should add that the N64 controller is the recommended controller for the core. elmorise

wise brook Sep 25, 2023, 4:42 PM

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ngl playing Shinobi with it felt good

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better than using a ps5 controller anyway

earnest sand Sep 25, 2023, 4:57 PM

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wise brook I wonder whatever became of that Saturn MiSTer daughterboard

It's still happening, life's got in the way a bit but once I have another DE10 it's full steam ahead

wise brook Sep 25, 2023, 4:58 PM

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hell yeah son

burnt matrix Sep 25, 2023, 5:00 PM

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earnest sand It's still happening, life's got in the way a bit but once I have another DE10 i...

What is a Saturn MiSTer daughterboard?

earnest sand Sep 25, 2023, 5:03 PM

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It's an IO board for a DE10 that fits in a Saturn case

trim nimbus Sep 25, 2023, 5:04 PM

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were new model 1 cases ever made or did you end up having to retool it for the newer cases?

burnt matrix Sep 25, 2023, 5:07 PM

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earnest sand It's an IO board for a DE10 that fits in a Saturn case

Wow, very cool!

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 5:16 PM

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whats better MK Trilogy and UMK3 on Saturn or PS1?

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asking for the curated Saturn list. Trying not to put games on that are better on PSX

trim nimbus Sep 25, 2023, 5:29 PM

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I thought it was better on n64?

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 5:29 PM

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im just comparing ps1 vs saturn for this list

trim nimbus Sep 25, 2023, 5:29 PM

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ah, then I don’t know

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 5:30 PM

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n64 games are small enough to just throw them all on there

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regardless

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although t hat is a good point

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if its pointless to play on ps1 and saturn vs n64, probably should save the space

kindred peak Sep 25, 2023, 5:32 PM

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Umk3 doesn't exist on PSX.

Trilogy I give the nudge to PSX for transparencies.

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 5:32 PM

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oh

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should i add it to the saturn curated list then?

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UMK3

kindred peak Sep 25, 2023, 5:33 PM

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It's not a great port, but the best we ever got in its time.

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 5:33 PM

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alright thanks

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this is a pain in the ass

kindred peak Sep 25, 2023, 5:35 PM

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Trying to compare versions? Yup.

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 5:35 PM

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yea

trim nimbus Sep 25, 2023, 5:35 PM

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the real question is which is the best version of command and conquer 😄

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 5:36 PM

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oh... good question

kindred peak Sep 25, 2023, 5:36 PM

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trim nimbus the real question is which is the best version of command and conquer 😄

PC. After that the question is "least bad?"

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 5:36 PM

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i need to know that one too

trim nimbus Sep 25, 2023, 5:36 PM

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I know it can’t be the n64, since i am pretty sure it doesn’t have the “mechanical man” song

kindred peak Sep 25, 2023, 5:37 PM

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There's a YT channel called VG Decide where they run a lot of these games side-by-side.

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 5:37 PM

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someone recommended saturn one here so i added it... didnt think to compare it yet

trim nimbus Sep 25, 2023, 5:37 PM

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I think the psx version does have more content, but I am not sure

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 5:40 PM

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i think the psx is a port of the saturn, with extra level(s) or something

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some say saturn is smoother with better control

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psx has the common slight better graphic effects like transparencies and stuff

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but control can be more important than that

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I see most say Saturn

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so ill leave it on the list

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thats the thing sometimes psx looks better but saturn does other stuff better

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graphics arent everything

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what about Magical Hoppers?

mortal mist Sep 25, 2023, 5:48 PM

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Pandemonium on psx is better

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 5:50 PM

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alright

trim nimbus Sep 25, 2023, 5:50 PM

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but…but…that is where the greatest saturn review series gets its name!

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 5:51 PM

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Herc's Adventure?

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160 games on the list so far

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Skeleton Warriors?

trim nimbus Sep 25, 2023, 5:56 PM

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my google-fu shows that hercs is approximately equal

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 5:57 PM

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- Grid Runner (USA)
- Herc's Adventures (USA) (RE)
- Myst (USA)
- Pro-Pinball (USA)
- Riven - The Sequel to Myst (Japan/Europe)
- Skeleton Warriors (USA)
- Solar Eclipse (USA) (2S)
- Space Hulk - Vengeance of the Blood Angels (USA)```

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here is the games I cant tell whats better so far

kindred peak Sep 25, 2023, 5:57 PM

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Saturn on Skeleton Warriors.

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There's a whole graphical layer missing on PSX for some reason

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 5:57 PM

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alright thanks

kindred peak Sep 25, 2023, 5:59 PM

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Solar Eclipse is Saturn only in the US, if that matters. It's the sequel to Total Eclipse.

Space Hulk is better on PSX. Transparencies and load times.

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 6:00 PM

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i doubt it matters its just an action game

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i had total eclipse on 3DO

mortal mist Sep 25, 2023, 6:00 PM

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Myst well ... better colors on saturn

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But psx has bigger video window

rich violet Sep 25, 2023, 6:01 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCgqI2EwI7s

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dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 6:01 PM

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some said Space Hulk is better framerate on Saturn though

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thats more important than transparencies and load times

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but im not sure if its true

kindred peak Sep 25, 2023, 6:02 PM

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That's the problem: some of these don't have "better". Just different

polar geode Sep 25, 2023, 6:02 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/anime-girl-note-writing-gif-12403074

Tenor

kindred peak Sep 25, 2023, 6:02 PM

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IMO, Space Hulk is best on 3DO

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 6:02 PM

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yea if the difference is worth it, i leave it on the list to have both

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we got no 3DO

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i use to play the demo on 3DO, though

kindred peak Sep 25, 2023, 6:03 PM

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I'd have to fire up copies on my hardware to answer the Space Hulk frame rate question.

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 6:04 PM

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we will have 3DO in 2024 when we convince Robert to do it

polar geode Sep 25, 2023, 6:04 PM

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So are you 2 going to discuss good games, or...

trim nimbus Sep 25, 2023, 6:04 PM

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haha

kindred peak Sep 25, 2023, 6:04 PM

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Can't say I ever noticed. Not that it matters much for a strategy game.

trim nimbus Sep 25, 2023, 6:04 PM

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I think the “curated good list” was already completed 😛

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 6:05 PM

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where is it?

trim nimbus Sep 25, 2023, 6:05 PM

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oh, I was referring to the one you were building when you asked for “good saturn games”

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not the extended, “better on saturn list”

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 6:05 PM

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nah its WIP

trim nimbus Sep 25, 2023, 6:06 PM

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I added a few to my sd card from @polar geode 2d list

kindred peak Sep 25, 2023, 6:06 PM

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polar geode So are you 2 going to discuss good games, or...

polar geode Sep 25, 2023, 6:07 PM

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kindred peak

https://tenor.com/view/anime-pout-grumpy-mad-drink-gif-17253047

Tenor

trim nimbus Sep 25, 2023, 6:07 PM

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you had me looking up random lists from google…found one that included “World Heroes Perfect” and it almost made me want to remove every game they suggested from my collection

tawny forge Sep 25, 2023, 6:07 PM

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trim nimbus I added a few to my sd card from <@1082088845291569283> 2d list

Do you mind sharing that list pls?

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 6:08 PM

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im not adding any games that are also on arcade core or neogeo core

kindred peak Sep 25, 2023, 6:08 PM

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polar geode https://tenor.com/view/anime-pout-grumpy-mad-drink-gif-17253047

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 6:08 PM

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unless they are different like new soundtrack or something

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or extra content

trim nimbus Sep 25, 2023, 6:08 PM

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this is it (sorry for the notify)

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 6:09 PM

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tawny forge Do you mind sharing that list pls?

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thats batty's list

kindred peak Sep 25, 2023, 6:09 PM

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dire tree unless they are different like new soundtrack or something

We'll have I got news for you... 😂

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 6:09 PM

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lets hear it

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they all have that?

trim nimbus Sep 25, 2023, 6:09 PM

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yeah, bootsector just asked

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I know that is one of the benefits of some of the neogeo ports…but the question there is do the neogeo cd version have the arranged soundtrack and is the load time so abysmal that you don’t want to use that core

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 6:10 PM

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we got 4x loading so its not a problem... it comes down to audio and graphic quality

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im not gonna make a stink about waiting 5 or 10 seconds more to load

polar geode Sep 25, 2023, 6:11 PM

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For neo geo with arranged music, the ps2 compilations can be a better choice sometimes

trim nimbus Sep 25, 2023, 6:12 PM

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robert hasn’t finished the ps2 core yet, though

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 6:12 PM

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lol

polar geode Sep 25, 2023, 6:12 PM

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Eh

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Well its not like i own one anymore

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 6:13 PM

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im gonna buy a PS2 again

trim nimbus Sep 25, 2023, 6:13 PM

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I would also be worried about interlaced output

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 6:13 PM

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a gold one

polar geode Sep 25, 2023, 6:13 PM

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I had the gold gundam one

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 6:13 PM

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it looks sick

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but its gonna run about $300

polar geode Sep 25, 2023, 6:14 PM

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The ps2 neo geo comps were mostly 240p with no filter, with some exceptions

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Fatal fury battle archives 1 and 2, aof, and the japanese kof compilations are good stuff

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 6:15 PM

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how come you have the Rockman instead of MegaMan 8 and X4 on your Saturn list?

trim nimbus Sep 25, 2023, 6:15 PM

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I’ve been meaning to dig my ps2 out of storage…I bought a sata adapter a couple of years ago to test

digital mauve Sep 25, 2023, 6:15 PM

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Add Cotton 2 to your list.

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 6:16 PM

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i have cotton 2 on my list

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Magical Night Dreams - Cotton 2 (J) T+Eng v0.9 nanashi

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translation versions could be outdated cause HTGDB doesnt update often

trim nimbus Sep 25, 2023, 6:16 PM

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there are two cotten games for the saturn?

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 6:16 PM

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yea

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cotton 2 and boomerang

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Magical Night Dreams - Cotton Boomerang (Japan)

trim nimbus Sep 25, 2023, 6:17 PM

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hopefully we can get titan support in the core as well

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 6:18 PM

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wouldnt that be arcade core

digital mauve Sep 25, 2023, 6:18 PM

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Ahh I see now.

trim nimbus Sep 25, 2023, 6:18 PM

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oh, that reminds me, did you add Elan Doree?

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 6:18 PM

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no ill add it

trim nimbus Sep 25, 2023, 6:19 PM

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its not bad for one of those quirky fighting games

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 6:20 PM

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i added it

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im gonna assume alone in the dark is better on psx

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or too similar to care

trim nimbus Sep 25, 2023, 6:22 PM

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Are the laserdisc games better on saturn or psx?

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Since I doubt we are getting a laseractive core anytime soon

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maybe the msx core will add support for its weird video cartridges

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 6:23 PM

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i would assume psx for fmv

trim nimbus Sep 25, 2023, 6:23 PM

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hmm, looks like saturn, psx has timing issues for the time gal/ninja hayate pack

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 6:24 PM

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so saturn is better

trim nimbus Sep 25, 2023, 6:24 PM

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of the currently available mister options, I think so

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 6:25 PM

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ill add that

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Casper... PS1 or Saturn?

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Mech Warrior 2?

mortal mist Sep 25, 2023, 6:34 PM

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dire tree Casper... PS1 or Saturn?

no diff i say

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 6:35 PM

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alright we

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will leave it for psx

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Mech Warrior 2 seems to have transparencies on psx but have better textures and skybox on saturn

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ill guess ill have to add that one to saturn

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probably one to have both versions

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eh

trim nimbus Sep 25, 2023, 6:40 PM

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mw2 should run on ao486?

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 6:40 PM

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probably not good enough

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but almost

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it will run but probably too slow

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486 DX2 but recommend pentium

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so not quite there

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fast 486 and pentium processors the games run slow

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I think AO486 is slower than 486 DX2

mortal mist Sep 25, 2023, 6:43 PM

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works pretty ok on a 486 🙂

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 6:43 PM

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there are multiple 486 speeds though

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ive tested 100 games

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486 vs 486 DX2 is a big difference on the core

mortal mist Sep 25, 2023, 6:44 PM

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From what I remember in MW2 you can choose the resolution, in lower it works well

stiff patrol Sep 25, 2023, 6:44 PM

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core is essentially a 486 SX

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 6:44 PM

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probably talking like 15-25 FPS difference

stiff patrol Sep 25, 2023, 6:44 PM

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no maths copro

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 6:44 PM

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yea

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and DX2 is minimum specs for Mech Warrior

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which means you really want it faster (pentium)

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I wish the core was a pentium... it would open up so many more games to be playable

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but even DX2 would be a big improvement

stiff patrol Sep 25, 2023, 6:45 PM

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a Pentium is an insane amount of work

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its vastly more complex than a 486

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 6:46 PM

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I dont think the mister is powerful enough for pentium?

stiff patrol Sep 25, 2023, 6:46 PM

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its more the case that no single developer is going to do a Pentium

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its too much work for nothing

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since you can just play the games on a modern PC

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 6:46 PM

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maybe MARS FPGA could do it but thats not something to count on

stiff patrol Sep 25, 2023, 6:47 PM

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doubtful anyway Mars talk is #fpga-platforms

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 6:47 PM

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I'm not here to discuss mars

stiff patrol Sep 25, 2023, 6:47 PM

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well PC is also off topic here

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 6:48 PM

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yea, thanks a lot

trim nimbus Sep 25, 2023, 6:59 PM

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I think a lot of the pentium improvements would be things like ooo and branch prediction?

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and superscaler operation

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 7:01 PM

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HeXen... saturn or psx?

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looks like saturn has a hidden multiplayer

trim nimbus Sep 25, 2023, 7:01 PM

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ao486 again? 😛

stiff patrol Sep 25, 2023, 7:01 PM

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neither its a crap game

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should never have been made

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 7:03 PM

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N64 is probably the best console version

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ill leave it off the list for now

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Earthworm Jim 2... think its slightly better on psx

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ill leave that one off

mortal mist Sep 25, 2023, 7:04 PM

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dire tree HeXen... saturn or psx?

Saturn - slightly better frame rate, but worse lighting

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 7:07 PM

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Mass Destruction?

sudden tusk Sep 25, 2023, 7:07 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/black-bush-chapelle-mars-gif-12047293

Tenor

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 7:08 PM

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ill hold off excitement for that its focused on arcade only

sudden tusk Sep 25, 2023, 7:09 PM

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Same

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 7:09 PM

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not that I dont love arcade

mortal mist Sep 25, 2023, 7:09 PM

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dire tree Mass Destruction?

Saturn , much better frame rate , no slowdowns

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 7:11 PM

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looks like Return Fire, which I love

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Layer Section II goes to PSX right

mortal mist Sep 25, 2023, 7:25 PM

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Incredible game chefkiss

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 7:25 PM

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?

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I added that crap to the list today

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needs a turbo mode

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what about layer section 2 that is better on psx right?

mortal mist Sep 25, 2023, 7:27 PM

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yes, psx ver is better

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better textures

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 7:27 PM

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bubble bobble 2 arcade edition?

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i added bubble bobble 3 for seganet support

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its an extra feature even if it dont work

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maybe one day we can link up misters for lan

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on ps1 and saturn

tall radish Sep 25, 2023, 7:28 PM

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Does anyone have custom .ini settings to correct the analog out?

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 7:29 PM

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what type of screen are you using and what type of connection?

mortal mist Sep 25, 2023, 7:29 PM

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shift to left ?

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 7:29 PM

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oh yuo cant fix that i dont think gotta wait

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n64 has issues with certain resolutions/games also

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the cores just arent finished yet

mortal mist Sep 25, 2023, 7:30 PM

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tall radish Does anyone have custom .ini settings to correct the analog out?

if the question is about the shifted screen then nothing can be done for now

tall radish Sep 25, 2023, 7:32 PM

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mortal mist if the question is about the shifted screen then nothing can be done for now

Oh! Interesting. I'm used to being able to force cores to center

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 7:32 PM

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i doubt developer has a CRT so thats why it takes awhile

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someone else probably has to fix it

pearl harbor Sep 25, 2023, 7:33 PM

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dire tree whats better MK Trilogy and UMK3 on Saturn or PS1?

PS1 is better than Saturn for MK Trilogy. Saturn has dithered effects that the PS1 doesn't need to use dithering for.

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 7:34 PM

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thanks

wooden dew Sep 25, 2023, 7:57 PM

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Are people really not getting popping sounds on Radiant Silvergun?

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Huh, guess my ram might have reached it's limit. It's 2.5 but it did do 140 mhz for 15 minutes on the ram test shrug

tawny forge Sep 25, 2023, 8:01 PM

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Popping sounds here and there do really occur and it might happen more commonly until the core is fleshed out. The other issues I've mentioned are less common though.

wooden dew Sep 25, 2023, 8:03 PM

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Ah ok, "go off" means stop playing, or something else?

alpine pagoda Sep 25, 2023, 8:04 PM

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Music and engine sounds stop after a few seconds

tawny forge Sep 25, 2023, 8:08 PM

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wooden dew Ah ok, "go off" means stop playing, or something else?

Stop playing, yeah!

wooden dew Sep 25, 2023, 8:14 PM

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Ooh, ok, phew

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 8:36 PM

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Baroque is better on Saturn than PSX?

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and Baroque Syndrome?

mortal mist Sep 25, 2023, 8:37 PM

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Yes 🙂

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 8:38 PM

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i guess no translation for syndrome

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oh wait thats psx

mortal mist Sep 25, 2023, 8:40 PM

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Yeah

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 8:44 PM

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I somehow think Linkle Liver Story is suppose to be called Wrinkle/Rinkle River Story

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warcraft II ?

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strickers 1945 I and II better on PSX?

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Cho Aniki saturn or psx?

trim nimbus Sep 25, 2023, 9:28 PM

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google says that ii is due to slowdown on saturn

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https://www.racketboy.com/retro/shmups-sega-saturn-vs-sony-playstation

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saturn seems to be more difficult for cho aniki: http://1cclog.blogspot.com/2020/04/cho-aniki-kyukyoku-otoko-no-gyakushu.html

Cho Aniki - Kyūkyoku Otoko no Gyakushū (Saturn)

Horizontal Checkpoints OFF 3 Difficulty levels 12 (14) Stages Ship speed selectable - - - - - - - Developed by Masaya Published by NCS in ...

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 10:06 PM

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but is that a bad thing

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personally i dont like games being too easy

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i like t hem a step above normal difficulty

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usually

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a step below extreme ridiculous difficult and a step above normal

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Tukai! Slot Shooting ..... saturn or psx?

trim nimbus Sep 25, 2023, 10:20 PM

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oh, not sure good or bad, just what google says, looks like between balance changes and gameplay tweaks you might need both cho aniki

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there is a “remember such-and-such, this is them now” meme with one of Robby’s fat babies and the main character from cho aniki waiting to happen

lost totem Sep 25, 2023, 10:30 PM

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burnt matrix We continue to get a lot of the same questions so I went ahead and updated the p...

I think you mean "Hi-Saturn" for the recommended BIOS instead of "Hi-Sense"

burnt matrix Sep 25, 2023, 10:39 PM

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lost totem I think you mean "Hi-Saturn" for the recommended BIOS instead of "Hi-Sense"

Thanks for catching that, fixed.

tawny forge Sep 25, 2023, 10:46 PM

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No-Sense

high bramble Sep 25, 2023, 11:02 PM

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Is that the recommended one? Compatibility does seem rather high with it. I'll use that one then.

dire tree Sep 25, 2023, 11:14 PM

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i dont have issues with non-hi saturn bios

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but the region needs to be set to match the game before booting

high bramble Sep 25, 2023, 11:15 PM

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I use the region-free one from TOSEC. No worries.

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...unless that's still needed even with a region-free BIOS.

willow pasture Sep 25, 2023, 11:22 PM

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Does the Saturn core support save states?

high bramble Sep 25, 2023, 11:28 PM

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Not that I've noticed.

celest mirage Sep 25, 2023, 11:29 PM

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Does it support analog control yet?

drifting frigate Sep 25, 2023, 11:33 PM

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celest mirage Does it support analog control yet?

Stick (3D Pad emulation for the face stick) yes. Triggers, no.

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Except via the SNAC builds floating around (but they are out of date with current)

celest mirage Sep 25, 2023, 11:34 PM

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thanks

drifting frigate Sep 25, 2023, 11:34 PM

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NP!

celest mirage Sep 25, 2023, 11:34 PM

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Does Saturn SNAC work with a multitap like the PC Engine SNAC?

drifting frigate Sep 25, 2023, 11:35 PM

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Yes*

scroll up the thread to see caveats from @inner token

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Well, Discord just wants to make that asterisk a bullet. So be it.

burnt matrix Sep 25, 2023, 11:41 PM

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***** asterisk test

burnt matrix Sep 25, 2023, 11:41 PM

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drifting frigate Yes* * scroll up the thread to see caveats from <@362023848998207491>

Add five * to get *****

drifting frigate Sep 25, 2023, 11:45 PM

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HAHAHA

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Awesome.

high bramble Sep 25, 2023, 11:51 PM

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It's like 'tabs vs spaces' all over again

drifting frigate Sep 25, 2023, 11:52 PM

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One giant line with semicolons.

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Final answer.

high bramble Sep 25, 2023, 11:53 PM

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<ENTER> : # # #

celest mirage Sep 25, 2023, 11:53 PM

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Trying out the (single sdram) core; wow, it's getting really good. Played some 60fps Out Run (the arcade core can't do that), Saturn Bomberman (would love to do eight player someday; I've done 10 player on my real Saturn plus taps), and Sega Rally Championship Netlink Edition (not getting audio for now). I'm impressed.

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On the Capcom fighting games thing, once I got used to arcade it's hard for me to go back to the incorrect pixel aspect ratio and how it makes the characters thicc and crops more of the background

drifting frigate Sep 26, 2023, 12:09 AM

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celest mirage On the Capcom fighting games thing, once I got used to arcade it's hard for me t...

True, but X-Men vs Street Fighter gives you an experience like no other! (an acid trip and a crash)

tawny forge Sep 26, 2023, 12:15 AM

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drifting frigate True, but X-Men vs Street Fighter gives you an experience like no other! (an aci...

https://tenor.com/view/eating-a-mushroom-mario-rucka-rucka-ali-itsrucka-chew-gif-18667233

Tenor

polar geode Sep 26, 2023, 12:19 AM

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drifting frigate True, but X-Men vs Street Fighter gives you an experience like no other! (an aci...

wise brook Sep 26, 2023, 12:29 AM

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not particularly important, does the option to add a 2mb rom cartridge work, is there a specific trick I'm missing?

drifting frigate Sep 26, 2023, 12:48 AM

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4MB DRAM and 1MB DRAM should work. I only know of a handful of ROM games, but they do work. Ultraman and KoF for sure.

wise brook Sep 26, 2023, 12:49 AM

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it's the save cartridge

drifting frigate Sep 26, 2023, 12:51 AM

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Save cart does not work.

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System save only.

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AFAIK.

wise brook Sep 26, 2023, 12:53 AM

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I suspected

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https://www.segasaturnshiro.com/2023/09/22/mobile-suit-gundam-fan-translation-beta-release-by-shadowmask-and-team/

SHIRO Media Group

Patrick (TraynoCo)

Mobile Suit Gundam Fan Translation BETA Release By ShadowMask and Team

Shadow dropped (no pun intended) on the 19th of September, ShadowMask (With editing and translation help from SoloNerfherder) released a beta fan translation of Mobile Suit Gundam for the Saturn. T…

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good news everyone

drifting frigate Sep 26, 2023, 12:53 AM

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(but on the bright side, those are saved per game, so you'll not fill up your system by having a single Dragon Force save)

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HOT DAMN!

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Good find!

wise brook Sep 26, 2023, 12:54 AM

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heck yeah. only game you'll really want the extra rom space for will be the shooter maker game.

burnt matrix Sep 26, 2023, 1:02 AM

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Here, let me do the translation for you:

“something something zeon”
“check out this robot sword”
“What are we fighting fooooooooor??”
“anime music”

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That’s $5 please

silk mauve Sep 26, 2023, 1:03 AM

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Why would I pay for what I just got for free?

burnt matrix Sep 26, 2023, 1:04 AM

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SHIT

kindred peak Sep 26, 2023, 1:05 AM

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burnt matrix Here, let me do the translation for you: * “something something zeon” * “check o...

burnt matrix Sep 26, 2023, 1:06 AM

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I am Gundamo expahrt, Zeon plz

polar geode Sep 26, 2023, 1:07 AM

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burnt matrix Here, let me do the translation for you: * “something something zeon” * “check o...

cringe tf when you know where one of the quotes was originally from and were going to critisize the person but realize you're self reporting as a turbo nerd

tiny flare Sep 26, 2023, 1:07 AM

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he nearly got me too

burnt matrix Sep 26, 2023, 1:07 AM

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HAW HAW, always troll in layers

drifting frigate Sep 26, 2023, 1:14 AM

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wise brook good news everyone

Seems to be working on the core! (I mean, I'm sure the known crash at stage 2 will pop up, but that's documented with the patch)

burnt matrix Sep 26, 2023, 1:15 AM

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Is it a cool game

tiny flare Sep 26, 2023, 1:17 AM

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I'm an easy mark for gundam games, even the bad ones

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maybe especially the bad ones

drifting frigate Sep 26, 2023, 1:20 AM

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I got all blows up.
ALL blows up.

Neat stuff though!

wise brook Sep 26, 2023, 1:30 AM

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I hope the sequels can get the fan translation treatment. cause twin stick support

drifting frigate Sep 26, 2023, 1:33 AM

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As far as I can tell, Amuro is basically William Katt in Greatest American Hero.

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"I can't do it!" "You HAVE to do it!" "I did it!"

winter phoenix Sep 26, 2023, 2:47 AM

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burnt matrix Here, let me do the translation for you: * “something something zeon” * “check o...

You forgot all the gratuitous face slapping

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I just watched the first Gundam movie over the weekend. We counted no fewer than seven slaps. It was crazy

tiny flare Sep 26, 2023, 2:50 AM

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Ah yes, the famous Bright Slap

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winter phoenix Sep 26, 2023, 3:04 AM

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Errybody gettin slapped in that movie

tiny flare Sep 26, 2023, 3:09 AM

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It just continues on, right into Zeta and beyond

drifting frigate Sep 26, 2023, 3:15 AM

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The game is pretty good. I didn't expect it to evoke T2 the Arcade vibes... but the foreground/background nature of enemies kinda does in a weird way. The prerendered sprites also contribute.

hard mountain Sep 26, 2023, 3:59 AM

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the gundam OG series is pretty good, animation is a bit dated but a still a good story

tiny flare Sep 26, 2023, 4:11 AM

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the movies are probably the most approachable way to watch it now, they tone down or remove some of the "to sell toys" stuff from the original series and have slighty shorter run time overall

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less transforming and silly weapon sequences and that sort of thing, plus some really nice new music tracks

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the Zeta compilation movies are a little bit harder to recommend as a first/only watch, it significantly alters the ending and the new animation sequences are a bit hit and miss, they look a bit out of place (they were done about 20 years later) and don't always add that much to the story...

teal saffron Sep 26, 2023, 4:16 AM

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hard mountain the gundam OG series is pretty good, animation is a bit dated but a still a good...

the animation is the appeal tbh, i love the way 0079 looks

thorn pagoda Sep 26, 2023, 4:16 AM

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tiny flare Sep 26, 2023, 4:53 AM

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ohh, I should totally try The Blue Destiny on the core

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seems to be working pretty well for the first five mins at least lol

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I think I know what I'll be doing after work 😄

tidal raptor Sep 26, 2023, 5:31 AM

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the scariest part of RE1 is the caves

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lost so many runs there lol

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nothing like barreling through the mansion without any saves just to die in the caves 🙃

drifting frigate Sep 26, 2023, 5:45 AM

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Batman Forever works great. That's not new news. That's just a PSA because everyone should play Batman Forever. How many minibatmans would it take to defeat a miniDitka? I don't know, but you can totally practice. It's about as coked out as a brawler has ever been. It's hard to beat Hot Blooded Family for wtf, but BF blows it away in terms of "wat?"

static flicker Sep 26, 2023, 11:18 AM

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I wish there had been more FMV games on Saturn

sudden tusk Sep 26, 2023, 11:20 AM

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Said just you ever

static flicker Sep 26, 2023, 11:24 AM

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When using the hi-saturn BIOS does vcd playback work?

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I don't have any on hand to test with anymore :p

visual grove Sep 26, 2023, 11:24 AM

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Worst part of that era

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The stupid superfluous FMV everywhere

mortal mist Sep 26, 2023, 11:25 AM

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static flicker When using the hi-saturn BIOS does vcd playback work?

without an additional module you will not run vcd movies, there is no such implementation, the bios alone is not enough

visual grove Sep 26, 2023, 11:25 AM

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For PSX & Saturn with bad early CG. Wish any budget for that had been poured into the games instead

high bramble Sep 26, 2023, 11:26 AM

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Not sure about VCD. I think there was one version of Lunar I tried to run that said it required a VCD card, and it never progressed past a screen that was (supposedly) telling me that one wasn't present.

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I don't understand Japanese, so... 🤷‍♂️

static flicker Sep 26, 2023, 11:34 AM

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visual grove The stupid superfluous FMV everywhere

I loved that stuff, but I get it

visual grove Sep 26, 2023, 11:36 AM

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static flicker I loved that stuff, but I get it

Oh ha thought you were joking. Yeah to each their own but I remember being mostly annoyed by it back the too so I guess it’s never appealed to me

sudden tusk Sep 26, 2023, 11:37 AM

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static flicker I loved that stuff, but I get it

Even I being a kusoge connoisseur draw the line at fmv games .. except for maybe double switch ..

static flicker Sep 26, 2023, 11:42 AM

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Yeah double switch on the Saturn plays great.

I enjoyed night trap and ground zero Texas on the Sega CD too.

visual grove Sep 26, 2023, 11:52 AM

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What was the zombie one with the fake Jamaican guy

ancient surge Sep 26, 2023, 11:54 AM

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visual grove What was the zombie one with the fake Jamaican guy

Corpse Killer

visual grove Sep 26, 2023, 12:03 PM

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I guess that fits in the so bad it’s good for fmv. Like watching Mac and Me on purpose

sudden tusk Sep 26, 2023, 12:08 PM

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Who could forget Mad dog McCree

burnt matrix Sep 26, 2023, 12:08 PM

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Me, I try to.

sudden tusk Sep 26, 2023, 12:11 PM

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You have to live with the trauma bro ..

tiny flare Sep 26, 2023, 12:15 PM

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Mad Dog ~~McCree~~ Cassidy

static flicker Sep 26, 2023, 12:39 PM

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I'll check out corpse killer on the weekend

visual grove Sep 26, 2023, 12:53 PM

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static flicker I'll check out corpse killer on the weekend

You’re in for a treat, it sucks so bad

untold lintel Sep 26, 2023, 12:54 PM

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sudden tusk Even I being a kusoge connoisseur draw the line at fmv games .. except for maybe...

did you see a brand new one just came out?

sudden tusk Sep 26, 2023, 12:54 PM

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Nay

untold lintel Sep 26, 2023, 12:54 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lSv_RQkKi8

YouTube

Wales Interactive

The Isle Tide Hotel - Official Gameplay Trailer (4K)

Wishlist on Steam: https://store.steampowered.com/app/2000090/?utm_source=youtube&utm_campaign=gameplay

An absent father must rescue his teenage daughter from an eclectic cult before their final night at the Isle Tide Hotel. Players investigate the strange events that unfold to save Eleanor Malone in this live-action interactive mystery game, w...

▶ Play video

sudden tusk Sep 26, 2023, 12:57 PM

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Looks interesting

untold spear Sep 26, 2023, 1:23 PM

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tidal raptor the scariest part of RE1 is the caves

i thought the scariest part was the voice acting

burnt matrix Sep 26, 2023, 1:34 PM

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I actually think FMV games are cool and need to be explored more with more daring gameplay concepts

polar geode Sep 26, 2023, 1:40 PM

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You need to be explored more with daring gameplay concepts

tall radish Sep 26, 2023, 1:46 PM

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burnt matrix I actually think FMV games are cool and need to be explored more with more darin...

Immortality looked like it was doing something along those lines, not played it myself though.

trim nimbus Sep 26, 2023, 1:54 PM

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Silpheed sega cd is by far the best.

leaden dagger Sep 26, 2023, 2:07 PM

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burnt matrix I actually think FMV games are cool and need to be explored more with more darin...

FMV games often suffer from very particular failure of visual quality (depending on era) that keeps me from enjoying them

burnt matrix Sep 26, 2023, 2:11 PM

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leaden dagger FMV games often suffer from very particular failure of visual quality (depending...

Filters!

leaden dagger Sep 26, 2023, 2:13 PM

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Filters Can't save the old FMV games from looking like cheap pornos and new ones from looking like Cheap youtube short films made by guys who call their channels "TheTravellingCinematographer" and make their money doing wedding videography

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It's completely a me problem, I admit. I work in the film/TV industry and I have low tolerance for poor production quality

polar geode Sep 26, 2023, 2:16 PM

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Play it over RF on a CRT, and turn down the contrast

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I guess

leaden dagger Sep 26, 2023, 2:20 PM

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It's a root problem for me
Bad Lighting
Bad composition
Bad acting
Like I am completely aware it's me being picky. I just tend to avoid them on principal so I don't get too negative for people who do enjoy them.

burnt matrix Sep 26, 2023, 2:22 PM

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Why do know what cheap pornos look like

worldly temple Sep 26, 2023, 2:23 PM

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polar geode I had the gold gundam one

uh, it was a Hyaku Shiki thanks. not all mobile suits are Gundams (but all Gundams are mobile suits)

polar geode Sep 26, 2023, 2:23 PM

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worldly temple uh, it was a Hyaku Shiki thanks. not all mobile suits are Gundams (but all Gunda...

burnt matrix Sep 26, 2023, 2:25 PM

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Why is the lady robot farting from her ear

polar geode Sep 26, 2023, 2:25 PM

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burnt matrix Why is the lady robot farting from her ear

https://tenor.com/view/slap-slapping-adachi-to-shimamura-anime-school-gif-21117097

Tenor

leaden dagger Sep 26, 2023, 2:42 PM

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burnt matrix Why do know what cheap pornos look like

I studied a lot exploitation cinema back in the day
And some of that so called "exploitation cinema" was just... yeah

burnt matrix Sep 26, 2023, 2:47 PM

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Oh, well now you made me feel bad for my shitty joke lol

kindred peak Sep 26, 2023, 3:02 PM

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No, the point is that a lot of trash exploitation cinema is basically porn. 😆

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I mean, it's all cinema "art"... y'know?

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So no feel bads, bobby

drifting frigate Sep 26, 2023, 3:25 PM

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high bramble Not sure about VCD. I think there was one version of Lunar I tried to run that s...

Yeah, I think Silver Story Complete has a bts video disc of some type, but it's been a while. My brother is in Japan right now, but I can ask him to check our old copy when he gets back. Probably super googleable, though..

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Yep. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar:_Silver_Star_Story_Complete

Lunar: Silver Star Story Complete

Lunar: Silver Star Story Complete, originally released in Japan as simply Lunar: Silver Star Story, is a role-playing video game developed by Game Arts and Japan Art Media as a remake of 1992's Lunar: The Silver Star. While the overall plot remains true to the original, accommodations are made to the game's story to allow for a larger, richer ca...

minor cipher Sep 26, 2023, 3:29 PM

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dire tree warcraft II ?

Warcraft II: The Dark Saga is close to parity between Saturn and PS1. probably preferable on PS1 because the Saturn version's save file is too large to fit in internal memory and requires a Saturn Backup Memory to save... or passwords. The PS1 version does have an exclusive glitch, tho.

There is a glitch unique to the Playstation 1 version where if a Skeleton is put into a Transport and left alone for a long period of time, the skeleton will be unloaded from the transport as the unit it was originally resurrected from. For example, if a skeleton created from a Knight is put onto a transport and left alone for a while, the transport will eventually unload the skeleton as the knight unit it originally was.

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kind of a cool little glitch heh

drifting frigate Sep 26, 2023, 3:34 PM

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"Strategy Enhancement." Ship it!

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 3:49 PM

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I guess ill leave warcraft II out of the list for saturn

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the save is irrelevant, but if its the same other than that glitch mind as well jut have it on PSX core

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unless one version has mouse support

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than that one would be superior

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looked it up and i dont think either version works with mouse

digital mauve Sep 26, 2023, 3:57 PM

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You going to put this collection in an archive somewhere?

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 3:58 PM

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no its just a list... they are all aready on archive

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except for some translated pre-patched

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but thats easy to do

digital mauve Sep 26, 2023, 3:59 PM

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Yeah that makes it kinda nifty for lazy people like myself.

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 3:59 PM

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HTGDB needs to update their Saturn Supplements for translations

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then dont be lazy!

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you just click each game to download

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there is no full packs in one download im aware of. most ISPs have a bandwidth limit also, which would go over that monthly limit if you were to download something that big

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my limit is 1TB

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for a whole month. my last Comcast ISP it was 500gb

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also there is probably some games that you wouldnt want in the list

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also redump updates quite often which is another reason its best to upload each game separately

digital mauve Sep 26, 2023, 4:08 PM

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1tb! Holy balls that's harsh.

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 4:08 PM

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whats your limit?

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1TB is pretty good in USA

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its not much but most probably dont have that much

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like I said comcast was half that

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and comcast is a vey common ISP

digital mauve Sep 26, 2023, 4:09 PM

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I think they send you letters after 10tb but it really depends on if the network is saturated I guess.

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 4:09 PM

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people usually dont get to choose ISPs there is usually just one available

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comcast would charge extra if you went over 500gb

digital mauve Sep 26, 2023, 4:10 PM

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I am in Wisconsin.

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 4:11 PM

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i only know one person in Wisconsin and they have Starlink, but not sure their limit

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they had to get 2 satellites for it to go faster though

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and pay extra

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or whatever it uses

digital mauve Sep 26, 2023, 4:11 PM

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Spectrum never said a word and I went over 10tb sometimes I just got TDS fiber and was warned to keep it under 10tb but that is just a rough figure could be less.

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 4:12 PM

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well you got a good setup

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spectrum isnt available here

digital mauve Sep 26, 2023, 4:13 PM

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500gb is very rough. Install some large games from steam and watch 4k streaming and you are well over.

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 4:13 PM

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yea Comcast sucks

digital mauve Sep 26, 2023, 4:13 PM

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I didn't know it was like that other places

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 4:14 PM

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i was forced to use them for 15 years in 3 different states

digital mauve Sep 26, 2023, 4:14 PM

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Ouch.

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 4:14 PM

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but they use to not really have a limit

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many years ago

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I got banned in one house from comcast cause I downloaded a bunch of DVDs

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many years ago... I imagine the town I was in, I was the only one downloading

digital mauve Sep 26, 2023, 4:15 PM

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Yeah, I got a few letters from spectrum myself but luckily never banned.

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 4:16 PM

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it does depend on location. they didnt seem to care in one area I lived but that was many years ago

digital mauve Sep 26, 2023, 4:16 PM

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There must be a time limit to their strike system.

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 4:16 PM

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well now comcast tells you on the sight how much bandwidth you got left

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but if you go over they just keep charging you more and more

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as long as they cant tell what you are downloading... i dont think you can get in trouble for games, but for music and movies you can

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otherwise they will just want mor emoney from you for going over their limit

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its a scam

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why is there even a limit, makes no sense

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they just want more money from you

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it makes no sense to hve to charge more for bandwidth

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as if they are gonna run out

drifting frigate Sep 26, 2023, 4:19 PM

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dire tree yea Comcast sucks

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 4:19 PM

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comcast is shady as hell

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right now I have COX, which I never heard of until recently

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its better than comcast, though

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faster and more bandwidth

drifting frigate Sep 26, 2023, 4:21 PM

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dire tree its better than comcast, though

That was our big company in Spokane WA when I was a kid.

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 4:21 PM

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I got a friend who lives in Spokane

drifting frigate Sep 26, 2023, 4:21 PM

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And way funnier when you're 12

drifting frigate Sep 26, 2023, 4:23 PM

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dire tree I got a friend who lives in Spokane

It's got its charms. Bruchi's. The river. A gutted expo tent from 74. A garbage eating metal goat. That's maybe it.

digital mauve Sep 26, 2023, 4:23 PM

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Let me guess they offer 1 gig services with a 500gb limit so you can go over in like 2 hours. 😂

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 4:24 PM

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i had to download psx set a little at a time on comcast

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took months

drifting frigate Sep 26, 2023, 4:26 PM

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Back before windows update did local sharing of updates assets (still mixed on that from a security standpoint) if you had 3 computers and a service pack hit, you blew your quota before you even woke up.

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 4:27 PM

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00f

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i dont download much anymore cause i got everything on my 18TB drive

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i just do maintenance updates to my sets

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movies I like to collect physical copies

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music I like older music, which I have most of already

digital mauve Sep 26, 2023, 4:29 PM

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I had a nice collection like that on a drive exactly that size and it decided to die so I a back to filling up a new drive.

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 4:30 PM

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that sucks

digital mauve Sep 26, 2023, 4:31 PM

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Yeah, it happens.

drifting frigate Sep 26, 2023, 4:31 PM

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digital mauve I had a nice collection like that on a drive exactly that size and it decided to...

tftp exploit in QNapOS....I got deadbolted and lost all my media a year ago. I feel this in my soul.

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 4:31 PM

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I got 3 games if anyone knows if they are better on PSX or Saturn....

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Ide Yousuke Meijin no Shin Jissen Mahjong (Japan) (2M)
Quiz Nanairo Dreams - Nijiirochou no Kiseki (Japan) (Rev A)```

digital mauve Sep 26, 2023, 4:33 PM

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drifting frigate tftp exploit in QNapOS....I got deadbolted and lost all my media a year ago. I f...

Damn, that's rough. I would be more pissed if I lost my stuff to hacks. I just have the usual clicks of death.

mortal mist Sep 26, 2023, 4:34 PM

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dire tree ```Arthur to Astaroth no Nazo Makaimura - Incredible Toons (Japan) Ide Yousuke M...

Arthur to Astaroth - hard to find diff for me

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I don't know the next two games

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 4:36 PM

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ya I cant find any info

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on differences

drifting frigate Sep 26, 2023, 4:36 PM

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digital mauve Damn, that's rough. I would be more pissed if I lost my stuff to hacks. I just h...

I was locked down, too. It was fully exploitable externally if you had any interface on a public tap. So now I'm double natted and I don't open my plex anymore. Luckily it was mostly just media. A few jobs. A tiny bit of personal photos that I hadn't backed up yet. More annoying than tragic, but it sucked.

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 4:36 PM

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I dont like trusting the videos cause they all seem to be software emulation

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what about that game "D" psx or saturn?

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3DO is better than both I think, but thats irrelevant

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and PC version I am not counting

digital mauve Sep 26, 2023, 4:40 PM

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You got Gals Panic on the list so you know it's a good list already.

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 4:40 PM

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is Street Fighter Alpha 2 Gold different than any arcade version? @sudden tusk

digital mauve Sep 26, 2023, 4:41 PM

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An often overlooked gem.

pearl harbor Sep 26, 2023, 4:41 PM

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drifting frigate Yeah, I think Silver Story Complete has a bts video disc of some type, but it's ...

It came with a "making of" video disc. I always found the best use of it to be for unlocking the secret music video in Xenogears. 😅

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 4:42 PM

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is Lunar games better on PSX or Saturn

pearl harbor Sep 26, 2023, 4:42 PM

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Depends on if you like Working Designs' localizations. But obviously you can use the patches that remove that stuff.

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Otherwise the PS1 versions are great.

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It's not like Grandia, where the PS1 version is severely downgraded.

trim nimbus Sep 26, 2023, 4:43 PM

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D has the subtitle “complete graphics edition” on the psx

tall radish Sep 26, 2023, 4:44 PM

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dire tree is Street Fighter Alpha 2 Gold different than any arcade version? <@934507875978...

https://strategywiki.org/wiki/Street_Fighter_Alpha_2_Gold

StrategyWiki

Street Fighter Alpha 2 Gold

Street Fighter Alpha 2 Gold is the American name for the console conversion of the game which Capcom released in the arcades of Japan called Street Fighter Zero 2 Alpha. SFA2G is an enhanced version of Street Fighter Alpha 2 just as Champion Edition and Turbo were enhanced versions of the original Street Fighter II. It contains several tweaks to...

trim nimbus Sep 26, 2023, 4:44 PM

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does that mean that the original 3do and saturn versions have incomplete graphics?

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 4:44 PM

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3DO has a directors cut, thats all I know

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which is suppose to be the best version

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 4:46 PM

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tall radish https://strategywiki.org/wiki/Street_Fighter_Alpha_2_Gold

alright ill have to add the Alpha 2 Gold to the Saturn list

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i wonder if other capcom stuff has similar console exclusive features

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or anything arcade that we have a core for

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oh wait

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Street Fighter Zero 2 Alpha

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if we have that arcade rom than we dont need the saturn

trim nimbus Sep 26, 2023, 4:48 PM

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apparently saturn has extra character: cammy

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 4:48 PM

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lemme check on mister

trim nimbus Sep 26, 2023, 4:49 PM

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that link that was just posted details the info

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 4:49 PM

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yea but the wording confusing me

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it doesnt specify exactly what i want to know

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Street Fighter Alpha 2 Gold is the American name for the console conversion of the game which Capcom released in the arcades of Japan called Street Fighter Zero 2 Alpha

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this makes me think its the same thing

trim nimbus Sep 26, 2023, 4:50 PM

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yeah, not hard to just load up the core to verify ‘

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 4:51 PM

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very hard

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i gotta crawl to another location

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I dont see Cammy in Street Fighter Zero 2 Alpha arcade core

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honestly didnt know this version even existed

tall radish Sep 26, 2023, 4:55 PM

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Cammy is a home port exclusive but………”She is only available in Versus and Training modes in the Saturn conversion, while in the PSX version she is only available in Versus, and must be unlocked”. So it’s not like you can use her in the arcade mode which dimishishes the value of her inclusion imho

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 4:55 PM

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alright but for that one reason i will have to include the game in the Saturn list

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thank you

tall radish Sep 26, 2023, 4:55 PM

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I think it’s also called zero 2 dash, swear that what’s what the Saturn satakore print was called

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 4:56 PM

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do you know of any other games like this?

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dash is the japan name

mortal mist Sep 26, 2023, 4:56 PM

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https://strategywiki.org/wiki/Street_Fighter_Alpha_2_Gold

StrategyWiki

Street Fighter Alpha 2 Gold

Street Fighter Alpha 2 Gold is the American name for the console conversion of the game which Capcom released in the arcades of Japan called Street Fighter Zero 2 Alpha. SFA2G is an enhanced version of Street Fighter Alpha 2 just as Champion Edition and Turbo were enhanced versions of the original Street Fighter II. It contains several tweaks to...

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 4:57 PM

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Street Fighter Zero 2' (Japan)```

drifting frigate Sep 26, 2023, 4:57 PM

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Capcom LOVED the name Dash.

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CPS 1.5, the dog, SF...

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 4:57 PM

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im guess that second one is it

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https://strategywiki.org/wiki/Street_Fighter_Collection

StrategyWiki

Street Fighter Collection

Street Fighter Collection is a compilation release that includes the following games:

Super Street Fighter II Turbo
Street Fighter Alpha 2 Gold
The Sega Saturn version of this collection includes the ability to unlock Cammy as a secret character in Street Fighter Alpha 2 Gold in Versus or Training mode.

tall radish Sep 26, 2023, 4:58 PM

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Now I’m confused lol, you have Zero 2 Gold, the American name. Then you have Zero 2 dash and Zero 2 Alpha?

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 4:58 PM

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lol

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it is confusing

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now i should decide on street fighter collection or Street Fighter Zero 2' (Japan)

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cant believe the "'" is the only difference in game name

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'

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its not even a dash its a quote or whatever

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apostrophe

pearl harbor Sep 26, 2023, 5:01 PM

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Capcom—thy name is confusion.

tall radish Sep 26, 2023, 5:01 PM

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But to answer you other question, you probably already know about Zero 3’s world warrior mode making it worth having over the arcade version and Vampire Savior being a nice version as it includes all the characters? Other than that I can’t think of any major extras in the home versions making them worth having over the arcade ROMs, will have a think though.

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 5:02 PM

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tall radish But to answer you other question, you probably already know about Zero 3’s world...

No I dont know... thank you. I just assummed arcade is all you need

polar geode Sep 26, 2023, 5:02 PM

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Cammy has an actual ending in alpha 2 gold on the ps2 alpha anthology iirc

trim nimbus Sep 26, 2023, 5:02 PM

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still waiting for robert’s ps2 core 😉

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 5:03 PM

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I guess ill put Street Fighter Collection ont he saturn list since it has the USA version of Alpha 2 Gold

tall radish Sep 26, 2023, 5:03 PM

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I used to own the satakore version of zero 2, that was always refered to as dash.

polar geode Sep 26, 2023, 5:03 PM

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A ps2 with some good mods isnt a bad investment by any means

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 5:03 PM

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trim nimbus still waiting for robert’s ps2 core 😉

he said 3DO is first

tall radish Sep 26, 2023, 5:03 PM

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polar geode Cammy has an actual ending in alpha 2 gold on the ps2 alpha anthology iirc

Oh so cammy’s playable in the arcade mode in that version?

untold spear Sep 26, 2023, 5:04 PM

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dire tree right now I have COX, which I never heard of until recently

cousin used to work in a call center for them... he had a very fun time

polar geode Sep 26, 2023, 5:04 PM

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tall radish Oh so cammy’s playable in the arcade mode in that version?

Gold is unlockable iirc

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Might need to fact check me on this sorry, but i seem to remember she was usable in arcade mode in that port

digital mauve Sep 26, 2023, 5:05 PM

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polar geode A ps2 with some good mods isnt a bad investment by any means

This is true, OPL really makes keeping one around worth it.

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 5:05 PM

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PS2 is definitely one of the top consoles to have

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if not the top

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PS2 and Dreamcast

trim nimbus Sep 26, 2023, 5:06 PM

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dreamcast is…bah you beat me to it

digital mauve Sep 26, 2023, 5:06 PM

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PlayStation 2 modding scene got much better over time and it's getting to be like OG Xbox.

polar geode Sep 26, 2023, 5:07 PM

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Ps2 has a 1080p hdmi mod now

tall radish Sep 26, 2023, 5:08 PM

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dire tree No I dont know... thank you. I just assummed arcade is all you need

Also, there’s currently a nasty graphic bug on the manhattan stage in x-men vs sf, it’s in MAME too but looks worse on Jotego’s core. The Saturn port might be worth using until that’s sorted.

digital mauve Sep 26, 2023, 5:08 PM

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Still want a PS2 development kit to add to the collection though. Really wish I would have gotten one when I thought 500 was too much though.

polar geode Sep 26, 2023, 5:08 PM

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tall radish Also, there’s currently a nasty graphic bug on the manhattan stage in x-men vs s...

Might be worth opening a githib issue about

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 5:08 PM

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im still confused on why there is an arcade SF Zero 2 and Zero 2 Alpha.... and then Apha 2 Gold home version

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I always thought Zero was just the Japan name of Alpha

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but this includes both words

trim nimbus Sep 26, 2023, 5:09 PM

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SF Alpha 2 Zero Alpha Dash

tall radish Sep 26, 2023, 5:09 PM

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polar geode Might be worth opening a githib issue about

I think it’s already been raised, will double check though.

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 5:09 PM

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lol

digital mauve Sep 26, 2023, 5:10 PM

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Capcom was straight up trolling us with the SFII naming.

tall radish Sep 26, 2023, 5:10 PM

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Savior 2 getting multiple versions with different characters weeks apart from each other is the weirdest thing, arcade owners couldn’t win with that one.

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Yeah me too, such a lovely solid version of SF.

digital mauve Sep 26, 2023, 5:11 PM

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Even made a second puzzle fighter without a first.

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Or a version that wasn't turbo.

tall radish Sep 26, 2023, 5:12 PM

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I think the 2 versions of saviour even have slightly different game engines, no wonder the community completely ignore them now.

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 5:14 PM

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i liked alpha 3

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but thats just from first impressions mostly

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trying 1,2, and 3

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alpha 3 seemed the most impressive

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i guess im just going off of graphics though

untold lintel Sep 26, 2023, 5:16 PM

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A2 gold sucks

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regular A2 rules

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 5:16 PM

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its still unique from arcade so im cluding it in the saturn list

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i included zero 2 dash, zero 3, and vampier savior

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if there are any arcade saturn ports that offer differences from arcade lemme know

tall radish Sep 26, 2023, 5:19 PM

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On the STG side of things Battle Garegga has an arranged soundtrack which is nice, it’s QOL features are handy as well.

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 5:19 PM

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alright ill add that one too

tall radish Sep 26, 2023, 5:24 PM

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Then there’s stuff like athlete kings and winter heat having extra characters in the Japanese versions. Or Panazer Dragoon 1 + 2 having a better difficulty balance in Japan too, in places the US and PAL versions are much harder.

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 5:25 PM

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DecAthlete for SegaNet (Japan)

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you mean this?

trim nimbus Sep 26, 2023, 5:25 PM

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haha, now you are making it even harder for phantasm 😄

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difficulty vs translation is a hard thing to quantify in general

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 5:26 PM

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panzer not sure if I should use japan

trim nimbus Sep 26, 2023, 5:26 PM

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Phantasm needs a “notes” column to specify why specific choices

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 5:26 PM

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lol

trim nimbus Sep 26, 2023, 5:26 PM

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or to specify alternatives

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 5:26 PM

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yea that is a good idea

trim nimbus Sep 26, 2023, 5:27 PM

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like, if I saw sfz2ad in the list, I would have no idea why I would want that over the cps2 original, so at least saying “added character” would be great

tall radish Sep 26, 2023, 5:28 PM

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dire tree you mean this?

Give me an hour and I will double check, Sega rally and Daytona also had later revisions with nice changes that I will need to jog my memory on. TCRF is a fantastic site for this stuff btw, so much info on regional differences.

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 5:28 PM

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yea i got the best sega rally and daytona on there

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it barely updates

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but I assume its 2 different people from the one uploading and the one running the github

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I probably dont need to put all 3 world series baseball on that list.... maybe the first one can go

tall radish Sep 26, 2023, 5:37 PM

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dire tree but I assume its 2 different people from the one uploading and the one running t...

Is planet joker on your curated list for the lolz? Because it might be one of the worst games on the system, genuinely awful!!!

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And unless I’m being blind couldn’t see nekketsu oyako, it much better than the ps1 version and worth adding imho.

trim nimbus Sep 26, 2023, 5:39 PM

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oh wow, nba live 97 supported 10 players

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 5:40 PM

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tall radish And unless I’m being blind couldn’t see nekketsu oyako, it much better than the ...

its WIP I just diddnt get to that game yet

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but ill add it

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 5:40 PM

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tall radish Is planet joker on your curated list for the lolz? Because it might be one of th...

is it that bad? I added it this morning

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i forget what source i got it from

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i think racketboy

tall radish Sep 26, 2023, 5:41 PM

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I don’t think it’s an exaggeration to say it’s the worst shmup on the system.

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 5:41 PM

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it might have just been on a cheap price game list

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buti ts exclusive right?

tall radish Sep 26, 2023, 5:41 PM

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Yes, it’s exclusive.

trim nimbus Sep 26, 2023, 5:41 PM

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until the list includes criticom or fist, it will not be complete 😄

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 5:45 PM

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i was about to add criticom and saw what segalordx said about it

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plus its on psx

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it doesnt seem like something youd care to polay on saturn over psx

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if there is even a difference its probably 3% better on psx\

trim nimbus Sep 26, 2023, 5:46 PM

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that is one of those games you need to include the worst version

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like, if you are going to play a bad game, you better play the worst version of it

untold lintel Sep 26, 2023, 5:49 PM

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It was one of my first PSX games and I played it way more than I ever should have

trim nimbus Sep 26, 2023, 5:52 PM

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don’t feel bad, I still have my SNES Bubsy cart

tidal raptor Sep 26, 2023, 5:53 PM

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my first ps1 game was street fighter the movie

mortal mist Sep 26, 2023, 5:55 PM

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it must have been a horrible experience 😛

tidal raptor Sep 26, 2023, 5:59 PM

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it's janky but, I've played worse lol it's relatively fun to play. It's the good kind of jank, though the arcade version is infinitely more interesting as that game has a lot of bugs and weird stuff you can do

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 6:17 PM

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the saturn version is cool

leaden dagger Sep 26, 2023, 6:30 PM

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kindred peak No, the point is that a lot of trash exploitation cinema is basically porn. 😆

Yep

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Also some of it was outright... yeah

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 6:34 PM

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trim nimbus that is one of those games you need to include the worst version

well what is the worst version

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saturn or psx

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should we have "D" on PSX or Saturn?

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its a good game

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likely only matters which has higher quality video

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dont make me try both versions

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https://youtu.be/1f3T2_p1py0?si=5W9R9kF4IinRwO4V

YouTube

Game Shack

D Review - Sega Saturn

This week it's some interactive-horror-FMV-movie-style game! Completely bizarre by todays standards to be fair! Sit back, relax and try to enjoy!

Consider subscribing to follow my quest to review every single PAL Saturn game that was ever released!

My page: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC76Z....

Twitter: https://twitter.com/GameShack1985...

▶ Play video

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looks bad? yes on all platforms.... bad game? no

trim nimbus Sep 26, 2023, 6:45 PM

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someone said criticom was 3% better on the psx, so the worst version is the saturn 😉

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as far as D, the psx subtitle makes it seem like that version is “more complete” but I can’t find anything to validate that statement

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 6:46 PM

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lol i was only guessing

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its hard to even google a game called "D"

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to compare versions

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im not gonna skip adding criticom for now

tidal raptor Sep 26, 2023, 7:08 PM

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I think that the Saturn version of D has better quality FMVs.
Pretty sure as far as definitive/best version it goes:
3DO > Saturn > PS1 > DOS, DOS being the worst due to the way the videos were encoded

tall radish Sep 26, 2023, 7:22 PM

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dire tree DecAthlete for SegaNet (Japan)

It was Decathlete, I threw a blank on that. I checked your list noticed Keiou Yuugekitai is the demo. For Soukyugurentai it might be best to list the Otokuyou version as it has a few bug fixes.

burnt matrix Sep 26, 2023, 7:24 PM

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@dire tree I like that you're putting together a helpful list of recommended games to try. Do you mind linking me to your post where you list that?

trim nimbus Sep 26, 2023, 7:38 PM

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it has been posted a few times as it is being completed…if you want to sticky it, though, might want to wait until it is finished since it is a text file?

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I swear there was a version posted today, and now I can’t find it 😄

burnt matrix Sep 26, 2023, 7:50 PM

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I'll add it to the general questions pin

pearl harbor Sep 26, 2023, 8:00 PM

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That's pinsane.

trim nimbus Sep 26, 2023, 8:23 PM

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okay, time to stick a pin in these puns

sudden tusk Sep 26, 2023, 8:24 PM

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pearl harbor That's pinsane.

Pinsanity!

trim nimbus Sep 26, 2023, 8:27 PM

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Okay, robby needs to start throwing people into the pinitentiary….

pearl harbor Sep 26, 2023, 8:28 PM

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elmorise

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I'm starting to lose pinterest in these puns.

trim nimbus Sep 26, 2023, 8:31 PM

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good, I’d hate to see this channel pinalized from all the pun discussion

pearl harbor Sep 26, 2023, 8:33 PM

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Nah, this channel is pindestructible.

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Okay, I'll stop. ||Pin!||

trim nimbus Sep 26, 2023, 8:34 PM

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haha

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 8:38 PM

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tall radish It was Decathlete, I threw a blank on that. I checked your list noticed Keiou Yu...

what is the Otokuyou version?

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like a greatest hits label?

tall radish Sep 26, 2023, 8:53 PM

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dire tree like a greatest hits label?

Its a budget release, as well as the fixes it also had a demo of battle garegga to sweeten the deal.

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 8:53 PM

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wont look good on the shelf

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luckily we have no shelf

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i fixed both

tall radish Sep 26, 2023, 8:57 PM

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The worst were the Japanese games with slightly larger manuals, they came with a jewel case that were just slightly thicker than normal ones.

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I’ve gone through the list and have a few things to recommend, I take it you are just looking for interesting games that are either exclusive or better / have an extra or notable difference on the Saturn?

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 9:03 PM

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yea pretty much

drifting frigate Sep 26, 2023, 9:04 PM

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sudden tusk Pinsanity!

I hope Robby can get 4 more up there. He'd be a Ten Pin Ally to us all.

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tall radish Sep 26, 2023, 9:05 PM

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Cool, I will send you a list at some point tomorrow, lots of decent puzzle games but many of them are on the ps1 too so will work that out first.

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 9:06 PM

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thanks... just try to leave out ones better on psx

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unless they got saturn exclusive fatures or content

tall radish Sep 26, 2023, 9:07 PM

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I think a lot of them are so simple that there isn’t any difference between the two. That and unlike say Capcom fighters or shmups the differences haven’t been as well documented either.

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 9:08 PM

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yea its a pain in the ass

tall radish Sep 26, 2023, 9:09 PM

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And there’s so many puzzle games too, it’s quite a lot to go through.

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 9:10 PM

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i need more puzzlers

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is there any good exclusive chess you know of?

tall radish Sep 26, 2023, 9:11 PM

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Don’t worry, there’s tons! That and T&E Soft golf games!

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 9:11 PM

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golf is good

tall radish Sep 26, 2023, 9:12 PM

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dire tree is there any good exclusive chess you know of?

What I find for myself and keep are always ones I would actually want to play, so sorry no chess games.

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 9:13 PM

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street racer looks sweet

tall radish Sep 26, 2023, 9:14 PM

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A game like that which isn’t on your list is Sega ages -power drift, great port of a great game.

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 9:14 PM

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oh I thought I had that but confused with gale racer

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added

tall radish Sep 26, 2023, 9:15 PM

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You might have and I just didn’t see it…

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 9:16 PM

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we dont have an arcade core of that yet right

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probably will eventually

tall radish Sep 26, 2023, 9:16 PM

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Not yet

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Would be nice though!

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 9:16 PM

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yea

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probably need to add some more sega ages

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anything we dont have on arcade

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well i added outrun cause its got 60 fps

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Columns i dont think we have those cores

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we got fantasy zone

tall radish Sep 26, 2023, 9:20 PM

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One thing I always wanted someone to look into and prove is of the Saturn has more input lag than the PS1. I heard a MAME dev say once that the Saturn has a minimum of 2-3 frames because of how it handles inputs. So if a game is on PS1 and Saturn with no differences that could be the deciding factor. But I have no idea if it’s bs.

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 9:21 PM

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2 to 3 frames? i doubt it, thats alot

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galaxy force II i need to add right

tall radish Sep 26, 2023, 9:22 PM

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Not uncommon though, especially when it comes to arcade hardware.

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 9:22 PM

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the saturn emulators definitely have that... at least 1 or 2 of them

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SSF I think... its unplayable

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he may have been talking about emulators?

tall radish Sep 26, 2023, 9:23 PM

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That could explain why they feel worse than other consoles emulation. Luckily Mednafen is better than SSF and feels way more responsive.

trim nimbus Sep 26, 2023, 9:23 PM

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yeah, if the saturn just added 3 frames of lag, I don’t think the recommendation would have been to play the fmv games there?

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 9:23 PM

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i would notice 3 frames easily

trim nimbus Sep 26, 2023, 9:24 PM

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plus, the hardcore fighting community would have been trashing it since the 90s

tall radish Sep 26, 2023, 9:24 PM

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The dev was talking about the Saturn hardware in general and the stv, rather than emualtion.

tawny forge Sep 26, 2023, 9:24 PM

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Lag was just a myth in the 90s

tiny flare Sep 26, 2023, 9:25 PM

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2 frames is not that much, eg. Super Mario World has that much

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 9:25 PM

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i dont believe it

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does it

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maybe I coulodnt tell 2 frames then

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do we have Galaxy Force II ?

trim nimbus Sep 26, 2023, 9:26 PM

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https://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=62277

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 9:26 PM

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oh I already added that

tawny forge Sep 26, 2023, 9:27 PM

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dire tree maybe I coulodnt tell 2 frames then

Most people can only tell lag if it’s over 50ms

tall radish Sep 26, 2023, 9:27 PM

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I mean CPS2 hardware averages out at 2.6 f, I forget the CPS3 number but I’m sure it’s even higher . A battle garegga pcb and other raising have three to four frames, same for some Psikyo hardware. Later stuff like Taito type x and nesica were really laggy, Naomi games have more than their Dreamcast equivalents.

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 9:27 PM

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what about "I love mickey mouse?"

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 9:28 PM

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tawny forge Most people can only tell lag if it’s over 50ms

thats much more than I thought I could tell

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although kinda depends on the game... like super mario bros. 1 andn punch out is easy to tell any lag

tall radish Sep 26, 2023, 9:29 PM

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dire tree what about "I love mickey mouse?"

A cool little package, great to have the games on one disc but not essential when you can play them on the megadrive core.

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 9:29 PM

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oh its just mega drive games

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screw that

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memorial selection 1 and 2?

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i dont think we have these arcade cores

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not all at least

trim nimbus Sep 26, 2023, 9:32 PM

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yeah, I guess once computer had enough memory to start double buffering and adding transformation effects, you get at least one frame from that

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 9:36 PM

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alright i added all the sega ages that were missing

lavish saddle Sep 26, 2023, 9:47 PM

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Just tried the Hori SS stick and it doesn’t even work with the core menu for Saturn. (It works with MiSTer main menu and other cores). I’m assuming its just because it’s beta at the moment.

drifting frigate Sep 26, 2023, 9:54 PM

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It should map digital just fine. When you push the OSD menu combo you mapped in MiSTer, does the menu come up?

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Saturn currently can translate Dpad, one stick (analog, but you have to select 3DPad or mission stick in OSD > Input for that to register), 9 buttons (A/B/C/X/Y/Z/R/L/Start) from HPS I/O. So as long as you didn't map the stick as analog, it should work.

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Though I don't have one to test, and who knows what ghosts are in the machine still.

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What converter are you using for Saturn to USB?

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(if you're using SNAC, it won't work in the core menu at all, keep in mind. That's not a bug, that's by design)

lavish saddle Sep 26, 2023, 10:08 PM

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Thanks for the detailed reply. I’m using It with the PSX BLiSSter adapter. (The Hori stick has pads for PSX too which I wired up a while ago because BLiSSter didn’t support the Hori stick natively using Saturn controller. (That was a while ago now, maybe its changed).

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The OSD combo doesn’t trigger the menu, although I can pull it up with the OSD button on the MiSTer. I can use other sticks fine. Might just be a BliSTer thing or as you say, ghost in the machine.

drifting frigate Sep 26, 2023, 10:11 PM

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Truth. And to be fair, I have zero knowledge of BLiSSter so I can't even say 'oh, yeah, that should work'... I was in a different camp back then. Many lives were lost. The war still rages in my soul.

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 10:11 PM

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probably a blister thing

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get reflex adapter when its in stock

lavish saddle Sep 26, 2023, 10:15 PM

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I think so too now. Thanks for the help and advice. Ill weight up my options.

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 10:16 PM

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i want that reflex

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oh you got a blister board huh?

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i forgot its not an adapter

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i got an old snac adapter with a few blister cables and i could never get it to work

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not sure if its the cables or the snac adapter

lavish saddle Sep 26, 2023, 10:37 PM

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Yeah I had a the BliSSter board for a couple of years now. I don’t bother with The LLAPI, its just super useful to use original pads with.

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The Hori SS had issues (flat out wouldn’t work at all with MiSTer via BliSSter) using the Saturn adapter. Wiring up the PSX pads was the work around and has been fine since. (Still fine, it just stops working completely when I load the Saturn core, no menu control, cant remap. Nada).

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 10:55 PM

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weird

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that blister replace the usb hub?

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kind of outdated in my opinion and unnecessary, but if you get Reflex you can use your blister adapters I think?

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 11:09 PM

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burnt matrix <@242363943144783882> I like that you're putting together a helpful list of reco...

its a WIP text file... I guess I should do an online file though

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whats the best, google sheet?

tawny forge Sep 26, 2023, 11:12 PM

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dire tree whats the best, google sheet?

Yes please!

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 11:26 PM

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@tall radish seems Pepsiman is in Japan version of Fighting Vipers, so gotta switch that one out. Fighters MegaMix has changes too.

The Japanese version included a number of extras not present in the western release. The most important extra being the secret character Pepsi Man who can be unlocked. Honey / Candy also had two bonus outfits and a hidden full armour break move, the art gallery mode was also taken out of the North American version and some of the more raunchy art was changed in the American release.```

frail token Sep 26, 2023, 11:27 PM

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dire tree kind of outdated in my opinion and unnecessary, but if you get Reflex you can us...

not really, they're mostly not compatible

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 11:28 PM

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oh... I guess some work and some dont?

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I saw someone using them on a video

frail token Sep 26, 2023, 11:34 PM

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only a few do according to Porkchop

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 11:34 PM

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good to know

drifting frigate Sep 26, 2023, 11:35 PM

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You can always check the Reflex-Adapt map files to see if something is supported. https://github.com/misteraddons/Reflex-Adapt/tree/1994baa982043c6b40334538791903f42a63c64d/release_files

Plus it's fun to sift through. For a very specific definition of fun.

dire tree Sep 26, 2023, 11:36 PM

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I dont trust the blister cables ever since my snac dont work so id rebuy them all anyway. I dont wanna blame the cables but its either that or the snac

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wasted like $60

ancient surge Sep 26, 2023, 11:39 PM

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So an odd thing I noticed with SEGA AGES Phantasy Star Collection is that Phantasy Star IV specifically doesn't work. The other three games do work like intended, but Phantasy Star IV gets stuck on a blank screen with the audio still playing.

It's technically not a softlock, as the game still registers my inputs, but the screen is just completely blank.

drifting frigate Sep 26, 2023, 11:40 PM

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ancient surge So an odd thing I noticed with SEGA AGES Phantasy Star Collection is that Phanta...

Saturn has good taste (kidding!)

ancient surge Sep 26, 2023, 11:41 PM

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Wait, it actually is rendering the graphics, but it's garbled trash. What the hell is going on...

burnt matrix Sep 26, 2023, 11:42 PM

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Fighting vipers playable in English?

winter phoenix Sep 26, 2023, 11:43 PM

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burnt matrix Fighting vipers playable in English?

The ||inferior|| North American and European ones, sure

drifting frigate Sep 26, 2023, 11:44 PM

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ancient surge Wait, it actually is rendering the graphics, but it's garbled trash. What the he...

I get a little bit of graphic life on dual ram, nothing on single.

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But just flashes of solid color for dual.

ancient surge Sep 26, 2023, 11:45 PM

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Just seems weird only Phantasy Star IV has that issue.

drifting frigate Sep 26, 2023, 11:47 PM

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Yeah, similar to Salamander 2 on that collection.

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Though that has no life after a brief resolution change.

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The DMA chain bails in a lot of edge cases. So probably when writing to VDP, there's either a read or write conflict that locks the chain and currently I am not sure if it's handling lo/hi wait states fully. If a hi state errors and doesn't return to idle, lo will never finish processing its thread. Which sure feels like what's happening on PSIV. Since the input/sound is working.

zinc vine Sep 26, 2023, 11:55 PM

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salamandar 2 doesnt work

drifting frigate Sep 26, 2023, 11:56 PM

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Yes, that's what I was saying. It locks up like PSIV.

zinc vine Sep 26, 2023, 11:56 PM

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im waiting for it

drifting frigate Sep 26, 2023, 11:56 PM

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It's SO good.

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I can't wait for it to work!

zinc vine Sep 26, 2023, 11:56 PM

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yup

drifting frigate Sep 26, 2023, 11:56 PM

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It's a great experience. Probably the best in the series.

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IMO

zinc vine Sep 26, 2023, 11:57 PM

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probably a features is not yet implemented yet .

drifting frigate Sep 26, 2023, 11:57 PM

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Very likely that. Or DMA/DSP timing. That stuff is tricky. Very tricky.

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SRG is a mad genius.

dire tree Sep 27, 2023, 12:37 AM

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isnt it just the genesis version of Phantasy Star IV

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also in Japanese

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and unplayable

drifting frigate Sep 27, 2023, 12:44 AM

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People like completion.

Plus it has that bumping intro music and flashy sprite scaling title card.

polar geode Sep 27, 2023, 12:44 AM

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Im not bothered by that, but does it have any enhancements?

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Ohh

dire tree Sep 27, 2023, 12:46 AM

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the intro is different?

drifting frigate Sep 27, 2023, 12:46 AM

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No, just the selection animation

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Hehe.

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Doesn't it have difficulty options? Or is that just the GBA version?

dire tree Sep 27, 2023, 12:46 AM

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I dont know but I cant play it if its not in english

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genesis version probably has translation

drifting frigate Sep 27, 2023, 12:48 AM

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Yeah, Sega Power users usually make some great stuff for SMS/Gen in that regard.

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But as far as Saturn goes, I get why people might want it. And testing games is the game for a few of us. Even if there are alternatives.

dire tree Sep 27, 2023, 12:50 AM

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I have it, just not gonna put it on mister until i get bigger storage

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512gb gotta prioritize games you can actually play and read

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but I have it in my complete set on storage drive

drifting frigate Sep 27, 2023, 12:51 AM

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I just played through the SMS Power version of Phantasy Star OG and it was so good. The translation is way better, FM music rocks, and the fact you can turn down encounters and up experience is so nice.

dire tree Sep 27, 2023, 12:52 AM

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im not familiar with SMS Power

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is that a hacking group

drifting frigate Sep 27, 2023, 12:52 AM

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They're an enthusiast group that has some rom hackers, as I understand it. But I just know them from their rom hacks.

dire tree Sep 27, 2023, 12:52 AM

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nice

drifting frigate Sep 27, 2023, 12:53 AM

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They do preservation stuff, too I think.

dire tree Sep 27, 2023, 12:54 AM

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the only phantasy star I really played was Universe on 360 and PC (Clementine Mod)

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loved it

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I would like to play through the originals one day

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PSU is actually the only MMO I ever liked

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the music is amazing

drifting frigate Sep 27, 2023, 12:55 AM

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The music in general from the series is bumping.

polar geode Sep 27, 2023, 12:56 AM

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The Sega Ages PS2 versions of Phantasy Star games are enhanced a good bit IIRC

high bramble Sep 27, 2023, 12:56 AM

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I love that version of Phantasy Star. Good stuff.

drifting frigate Sep 27, 2023, 12:56 AM

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Here's my favorite track in PSG, Fm, then combined for no good reason. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkPtOEJFbuA

YouTube

Andy Do

Phantasy Star - Sega Master System/MKIII - FM vs PSG music Motavia ...

The Motavia dungeon music loop in both PSG and FM, and then, for funsies, together.

▶ Play video

high bramble Sep 27, 2023, 12:57 AM

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The FM version of the soundtrack though... all the tracks being in a different key took a lot of getting used to, but they are very well done.

drifting frigate Sep 27, 2023, 12:58 AM

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For sure. It's a whole different tone.

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Hah...literally

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I guess.

dire tree Sep 27, 2023, 12:58 AM

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https://youtu.be/2E2EXIPlJW4?si=CpfAqs-eSXt6dSup

YouTube

Enigma_Dev ⸘

Phantasy Star Universe - The First Story (HQ)

• No Copyright Infringement Intended!

▶ Play video

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https://youtu.be/Y8hW6QD0S58?si=OstKdegXMbSVnMx9

YouTube

Shadow Naki

Phantasy Star Universe - Raffon Meadow

requested by ieatmilks

▶ Play video

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awww yea

high bramble Sep 27, 2023, 1:03 AM

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I completely skipped on the Master System, even though I wanted one. After NES, my next console was the Genesis (the first one I was able to buy with my own money back then). The first time I ever played the first Phantasy Star was with the Power Base Converter. 😄

dire tree Sep 27, 2023, 1:04 AM

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yea I didnt even know about master system when I got NES

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I found out about it when I got Genesis

drifting frigate Sep 27, 2023, 1:06 AM

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Damn. That music is so good.

dire tree Sep 27, 2023, 1:08 AM

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really pumps you up while playing

lavish wadi Sep 27, 2023, 1:32 AM

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Phantasy Star on SMS was amazing! It was totally engrossing for the time. It’s an absolute crime that so many North Americans did not have the opportunity to play it or even know of if its existence due to NES dominating the US market.

Hands down one of my favorite RPG’s of all time. I prefer it over Final Fantasy any day of the week. (Well… PS3 was a little odd)

ancient surge Sep 27, 2023, 1:33 AM

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I'm still impressed by the first person perspective while exploring the dungeons.

lusty rapids Sep 27, 2023, 1:34 AM

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if you like first person dungeon crawlers, may I interest you in some megami tensei?

lavish wadi Sep 27, 2023, 1:36 AM

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ancient surge I'm still impressed by the first person perspective while exploring the dungeons...

Yup! I saw all the dungeon crawlers of the time, they looked absolutely terrible in comparison to what they pulled off in Phantasy Star. I’m sure there are a ton of games that were quality, but the graphics just could not hold up so I did not play them, because I was spoiled by what Phantasy Star did years prior.

random shard Sep 27, 2023, 1:36 AM

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Did anyone say first person dungeon crawlers ?

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For saturn

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Well, you got dungeon master nexus and baroque just recently translated

lusty rapids Sep 27, 2023, 1:37 AM

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there's two excellent megaten titles on Saturn, but I'm not sure if they got english translations >_>

random shard Sep 27, 2023, 1:37 AM

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Can't go wrong with those

random shard Sep 27, 2023, 1:37 AM

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lusty rapids there's two excellent megaten titles on Saturn, but I'm not sure if they got eng...

Oh but they do

dire tree Sep 27, 2023, 1:37 AM

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only one got a translation out of 3

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Soul Hackers and Ronde has no translation

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i know cause I added them to the list today

lusty rapids Sep 27, 2023, 1:38 AM

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oh right Ronde, not a dungeon crawler but definitely part of the megaten mess

dire tree Sep 27, 2023, 1:39 AM

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hmm I guess devil summoner has no translation either

random shard Sep 27, 2023, 1:39 AM

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My bad, I misread you

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You're right

lusty rapids Sep 27, 2023, 1:39 AM

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yeah I was about to ask if the Devil Summoner translation ever finished

random shard Sep 27, 2023, 1:40 AM

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There's a ton of megaten games untranslated

tiny flare Sep 27, 2023, 1:40 AM

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Soul Hackers was pretty fun on 3DS at least

ancient surge Sep 27, 2023, 1:40 AM

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I heard Ronde was pretty bad. Apparently it was infamous for a demo being so badly recieved that a lot of people canceled their pre-orders.

I don't know how true that is, but that sounds brutal.

lusty rapids Sep 27, 2023, 1:40 AM

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Soul Hackers was better on the 3DS tbh

dire tree Sep 27, 2023, 1:40 AM

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wait I thought there was one translated, maybe im mistaken

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i never played any

lusty rapids Sep 27, 2023, 1:41 AM

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on Saturn none are translated

dire tree Sep 27, 2023, 1:41 AM

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i added them to the masterlist anyway

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ah ok

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hopefully they will be

lusty rapids Sep 27, 2023, 1:42 AM

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Saturn only got spin offs, weirdly

dire tree Sep 27, 2023, 1:42 AM

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saturn has been getting translations the past few years

lusty rapids Sep 27, 2023, 1:43 AM

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well, Soul Hackers got a 3DS release, officially in English. CJ is "working" on the PSP version for Devil Summoner

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Ronde, who knows

dire tree Sep 27, 2023, 1:43 AM

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if the same games are translated on other platforms that makes it easier

lusty rapids Sep 27, 2023, 1:44 AM

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I've literally learnt enough Japanese to play games in the time I've waited for several translations to just never appear :p

dire tree Sep 27, 2023, 1:44 AM

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lol

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it would be great to know japanese... you could play so many games

lusty rapids Sep 27, 2023, 1:45 AM

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don't let your dreams be dreams

dire tree Sep 27, 2023, 1:45 AM

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i just have other priorities with time

lusty rapids Sep 27, 2023, 1:45 AM

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fair

dire tree Sep 27, 2023, 1:46 AM

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i was starting to learn some hebrew

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but thats easier

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one japanese alphabet is based on it

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isnt there 2

lusty rapids Sep 27, 2023, 1:47 AM

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there's 3 Japanese writing systems

dire tree Sep 27, 2023, 1:47 AM

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oh 3

lusty rapids Sep 27, 2023, 1:47 AM

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Kanji, a logography borrowed from China

dire tree Sep 27, 2023, 1:47 AM

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well one is based on ancient hebrew

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you can tell from similarities

lusty rapids Sep 27, 2023, 1:47 AM

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then Hiragana and Katakana, syllabaries, derrived from Kanji

dire tree Sep 27, 2023, 1:47 AM

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but alot of things are based on ancient hebrew

lusty rapids Sep 27, 2023, 1:48 AM

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unless I skipped a paper somewhere, I don't think there's evidence of any of the writing systems being derrived from hebrew

dire tree Sep 27, 2023, 1:49 AM

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lusty rapids Sep 27, 2023, 1:50 AM

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they kind of mixed up hiragana and katakana there to make their point, but hiragana and katakana are derived from Kanji that was borrowed from Chinese, not derrived from hebrew

dire tree Sep 27, 2023, 1:51 AM

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well Hebrew came before both

tawny forge Sep 27, 2023, 1:52 AM

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dire tree

Wow! Lots of similarities

dire tree Sep 27, 2023, 1:52 AM

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the first two letters of hebre are aleph and bet, which is where the word alphabet comes from

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Hebrew is older than Earth

tawny forge Sep 27, 2023, 1:53 AM

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So is Japanese improved Hebrew?

dire tree Sep 27, 2023, 1:53 AM

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not improved just things change over time and cultures change it for their own versions

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we got a lot of different cultures on this planet

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